beta-ptr-spoilers

[upper edge]

I didn’t play vanilla WoW so that’s why I’m asking

[plain violet]

In pure fight, eternal didn't seem "powerful", but in term of magical power and theory, with anima, they were clearly monsters.

[trail knot]

red, black bis colors for gear

[upper pasture]

Subjective

[plain violet]

Subjective must admit.

I am quite edgy so I like red and black, purple, but others colors are nice too.

[rain cave]

I'm a big fan of the more muted colours

like the orangey reds that aren't overly vibrant

probably related to my recent obsession with taking things and converting them to CMYK colour space and making them look like old printed posters

[plain violet]

Oooh, I totally see what you are talking about. :)
Steampunk aesthetic is pretty much like that, really great for the eyes, because it let you rest.

[rain cave]

I was
Moreso thinking retro scifi poster colours

Where colours are striking but not overly vibrant

@uncut lintel dracthyr emotes are out

[upper pasture]

Oh they already know

[uncut lintel]

i dont have

a phone

[uncut lintel]

[upper pasture]

[uncut lintel]

im gonna just change my name from foksi to

i dont have a phone

im annoyed hearing it everytime

[upper pasture]

Hopefully they add them to wowhead server soon 😦

The server is boosted enough for them that’s for sure

[uncut lintel]

ye

[deep pawn]

I still associate red with an old employer so it's one of my least favorite colors

[glad niche]

Wait. How do Dracthyr emote?

[deep pawn]

What I want is more pink armor

[glad niche]

Oh another server thing

[upper pasture]

Yeah, you gotta add them you your own server or wait and see if WoWhead does

[deep pawn]

Blizzard just made the artwork and said feel free to use.

[upper pasture]

Uhh…yeah. But again WoWhead does not equal blizzard so who knows

[dense plover]

i like the pterodactyl a lot more with other horns

(us) VersionsName: 10.0.0.44857 → 10.0.0.44891!

another vendor build

[glad niche]

I'm about to look through the new mount stuff myself

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1071249.jpg

Kinda love the doofy big beak

Gives me arakkoa vibes

[glad niche]

Don't think I'll use it myself but I can appreciate the stark contrast

[uncut lintel]

i really hate those types of things, the only one tat looks good is the dreadwigns and the throne of thunder meta mount

othrer than that most of them are ugly as hell

[dense plover]

i just dont like the deer horns

[dense plover]

you can mix and match the combos for the mount so im sure you can make something you DO like

[glad niche]

I might try them with the neck fur

Not sold on anything on this one via still images

[uncut lintel]

no peach i cant, this model in general is digusting

@dense plover

not hating on ur opinions

just its mine

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glad niche]

To each their own.

[pulsar minnow]

Honestly the Velocidrake is kinda ugly imo. And no matter what I’ll just always see a pterodax when I look at it

[glad niche]

I mean. I always see the protodrake on the other one too?

[pulsar minnow]

It’s not like I was ever going to use anything but the Highland Drake anyways 😂

[dense plover]

well the good thing is you dont have to use it

[dense plover]

one of them IS a proto drake

[pulsar minnow]

I’m definitely going to try and unlock customization for all of them though

[upper pasture]

I mean the first one IS a proto drake no?

[dense plover]

i think so?

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah it’s a proto drake

[uncut lintel]

i want the four legged one

aka toothless

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah that’s the Highland Drake

[glad niche]

Is it something we have to unlock? The customizations we've seen?

[dense plover]

yes

[uncut lintel]

i hope we can choose base model of any of the four we want then customize and unlock others from there

[dense plover]

theyre unlocked from glyphs and quests and some are purchased

[glad niche]

That's the last one we'll get out of the 4 iirc

[dense plover]

pretty sure

theres at least 5 base models i know of

[uncut lintel]

hopefully its nothing like convenants

[dense plover]

drake, proto drake, long boi, pterodax, wyvern

[uncut lintel]

where u choose one and ur stuck with ugly mount

[dense plover]

its not

you get all of them

[uncut lintel]

i want fox dragons most tho but i hope those r connected to dragonriding

[dense plover]

but the customizations are sometimes separate

[uncut lintel]

yea

[dense plover]

they might be a customization option

[uncut lintel]

i hope

[glad niche]

Wording on recent blue posts suggests there's an order we'll get the first 4 in

[dense plover]

since the skeleton is used for one of the models

[uncut lintel]

[dense plover]

yes its zone based

[glad niche]

Yeah. With the proto being first

[dense plover]

proto drake -> pterodax -> then either highland drake or the wyvern one

[pulsar minnow]

Protodrake, then Velocidrake, then Highland, lastly Wyvern

[dense plover]

or that

long boi is unknown

my guess is its endgame stuff

[pulsar minnow]

Probably

[dense plover]

and i wouldnt be surprised if there are another 1 or 2

with obviously more coming with each major patch

[pulsar minnow]

Would love to see a 4 winged drake sort of like Cloudjumper from How to train your dragon

[uncut lintel]

YES

OMG

TIRIDAN

https://tenor.com/view/cloud-jumper-httyd-gif-10450950

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah that guy he’s sick

[dense plover]

thats hard to animate

[uncut lintel]

[dense plover]

also makes no sense aerodynamically but thats irrelevant

[pulsar minnow]

Oh for sure, but it would be so awesome

[uncut lintel]

they need to work harder then

[glad niche]

I mean, with the wording on the DF special page, there will have to be more. Or they will foolishly face a lawsuit or two from their advertisement of "millions of combinations"

[uncut lintel]

[dense plover]

i mean, no they wont

theres like 8 options for 8 categories

per drake

and im pretty sure the millions thing is about dracthyr

[glad niche]

It's not

Was just looking earlier

[dense plover]

theres also armor and other cosmetics

and the colors those have

thats like thousands if not hundreds of thousands per model

[dense plover]

but yes, they likely mean over the course of the expac

[upper pasture]

18 categories for each type of drake

No?

[glad niche]

Yeh. That's what I was meaning. With the 4 given and the one mystery noodle- I'm bad at math and all but I don't see 5 drakes making plural millions of combos

So I'd imagine we'll see more later

I'd def be excited for some brand new models

[dense plover]

i mean - if my math is right, just the mount from today's article is several hundred thousand combos

[glad niche]

Even one new core model would be rad

[dense plover]

because you can mix each option with every other option

if not over a million

[upper pasture]

Yup that’s were it gets big

[dense plover]

theres a little bit of mutual exclusivity but generally you can pick every part, patterns for parts, and colors for those patterned parts

it gets big fast

[upper pasture]

Eyes alone is 34 options if you don’t have the ability to make your drake half blind

[glad niche]

I'd try to figure out the current count for funsies if I weren't laying down already

[upper pasture]

Then suddenly you have 68

[dense plover]

double if you can choose which eye is blind

[upper pasture]

But if you can do two eye colors then we’ll….

[glad niche]

So pretty much the wording can get by because of all the eyeballs lmao

[dense plover]

i mean - its because its accurate

even for things like horn color and horn style

theres 14 horns and 5 colors

[upper pasture]

I mean that’s the easiest way to explain how crazy it can get quickly

[dense plover]

thats a lot of options

[glad niche]

I mean I'm in no way saying I assume the "millions " is false. I'm saying they set a steep expectation and we all know someone somewhere will try to count them all up

[upper pasture]

Horns, throat, scales, armor, fur, colors tails,

It all stacks on top of each other

[glad niche]

Yeh

I'd have to Google the math formula to get the full current count for the two we have on wowhead

I am curious where the number stands

[dense plover]

theres actually another drake on the website

[upper pasture]

And millions of combinations doesn’t have to be 2 million it just needs to be more than a million

[dense plover]

so theres at least 6 base models

[glad niche]

Another one on what website?

The DF page only previews 4

[dense plover]

yes

but there are 2 others

one that looks like a standard dragon

and one thats a long boi

neither of those are on the website

theres like a mid-grown whelp on the website

[glad niche]

The standard one is on the DF page

[dense plover]

this one

oh wait

is that the standard dragon?

[glad niche]

Yeah

[dense plover]

oh ok

then yeah i guess 5 i know of

[glad niche]

They just used the most bland features

[dense plover]

i really like the wyvern model too

it looks so good

[errant prairie]

Pretty cool we get them from zones and not from achievements or from heroic bosses

[dense plover]

i mean, some customizations will likely be from achievements

not the base forms

but like - colors or horns

[errant prairie]

Although i do hope we get some good customization from, yeah achieves and what not

[dense plover]

or armor

[upper pasture]

Honestly I wouldn’t be too hurt to see it from all forms on content

[glad niche]

I'd never get them from chivies or heroic shit

[errant prairie]

do you know if we're getting also customizations from dragon races?

[glad niche]

I know early on it was said some will come from ... I don't remember the word they used

But races are probably gonna give some

[errant prairie]

Thats good, they seem fun

[glad niche]

Considering "beat the time requirement" doesn't sound like much of a carrot on a stick. I'd assume some give goodies.

I'd settle for chievements like how pepe worked. But I'm hoping nothing too terrible locks out a riding mount.

[dense plover]

theres definitely achievements

but i imagine some of the achieves give rewards

or the gold completions themselves in some harder races potentially

[glad niche]

I'm thinking of stuff like the glory mounts in every expac

[dense plover]

i am curious what theyll do for mythic stuff

like - they cant just give cosmetics

maybe theyll do a unique mount AND a cosmetic?

[glad niche]

I talk on here and somewhat in general chats in game but I'm really not gungho to find people in game to run things with. Last time I asked for help with clearing something in game (bf and I just wanted to run through a BfA dungeon) only response was someone who said something along the lines of "lose the bf and I'll help ya sweetie" 🙄🤢

[upper pasture]

Typical lol

[glad niche]

Right

So if I can't solo or quietly que something and not talk to strangers. I'm not keen to try to find people to run it

So short version, I'm gonna be sad if we see some exciting new model and it's locked tight behind heroic/mythic/glory chievements

[upper pasture]

You just gotta find the right people to play with is all

I’d say we got at 60/40% chance of there being a drake locked behind cutting edge or some endgame activities

Because they “deserve” it

[glad niche]

Like a flick on the nose

I don't have the time nor the will to do that hard stuff

[upper pasture]

Idk time will tell, maybe it will be fancy armor locked behind PvP or mythic stuff

Or a skin tone

[glad niche]

I'd be fine with even a pack of customizations

But not a new Drake please 🥺

[upper pasture]

But i can hardly say that mythic+ and rated players will be happy with grinding 2000io for a skin tone or armor for their drake when they are used to getting a “unique” mount

[glad niche]

I'd have to scrounge through the old glory chievements but they def aren't always unique. Not the older ones I'm most familiar with anyways

[upper pasture]

Well that’s why it’s in quotes because it’s usually the same mount just a different color

[glad niche]

Yeah

I mean. Those may well also be normal mounts this expac too

Not really grounds to treat it as concrete. But the mount collect one (new otter) isn't even a flying mount (assumably. That or it's a surprise floaty lad)

So there's grounds to not assume those types of achievements will be tied to DR options

Also as far as different color goes. We then circle back to how it could potentially be a customizations pack and not the core Drake

[upper pasture]

I mean didn’t they say rated pvp will give your drake special armor in a interview?

[glad niche]

Side note. FFXIV has a four winged mount (2 actually, iirc. ) They aren't the worst to animate for normie flight. For the DR level of animation tho it would get hairy I imagine.

The good news for PVP is it's got a very niche look.

So I can be confident I might want it but won't be forlorn without it

Glory mounts I typically start to chip away at the following expansion

I'm curious if we will see either updates to old Drake models we already have, or just new shiny variants to go beside them

Assumably the latter seeing as there's like 3 variants of org wyvern

[upper pasture]

Probably no updates as people don’t like you touching things they’ve already earned and have weird attachments to older models.

[glad niche]

Yee

[upper pasture]

But we will probably get updated versions for sure

But Drake riding already fills in a lot of the older models with newer versions

Like all the protodrakes and normal drakes

Bam done and with more color

[plain violet]

I have one in particular that you would love about.

[tropic trail]

what a great find! Just came here to thank you, as i saw your post quoted on the comments section of the article
So, Thank you, yuvalal! 👍

[livid walrus]

Uchur delete the comment.. ._.

[glad niche]

Wah

[livid walrus]

[glad niche]

Time to manually type it all out!

[livid walrus]

Wowhead doesnt check their own discord to check sources before credit people

you would think they check their own discord

[glad niche]

Prob Best not to poke the comments more, checking the most recent ones there's one person seemingly ignoring the dialogue and replying to other comments denying the "several years" part of the dialogue

[livid walrus]

several years, it is the third week of alpha , can be change might not, idk if it is part of prepatch or not.

Maybe we cover that in prepatch. or have cinematic which covers it

[glad niche]

Yeah. I mean my point is, while I don't remember what the horde dialogue said exactly. The alliance version literally says "it's been several years since -"

Which yeah it might be changed before live. But the person is arguing against what's currently visibly said by the npcs 😂

Official forums and wowhead comment sections are funny strange places

[livid walrus]

dracthyr cant reach argus still

btw

lol

[glad niche]

Have you had your fill of elf on a shelf? Get ready for -

[cunning fossil]

Damn bro the Vulpera Dragon is making people mald because their name isn't in the typical naming conventions for dragons and that their pronouns are they/them

Literally malding over the fact that they are enby

Jealous losers lol

WoW fans not piss themselves whenever they hear the mention of a non-straight/hetero/Cis character being in the game challenge (impossible)

[glass flicker]

I think it's more because it's a furry dragon. xD

The vulpera can't keep getting away with it!

In all honesty, though, getting some more diversity and sexualities in WoW is nice. Like the gay craftsman who gives you a quest to make something for his husband, really wholesome.

Now we just need Tess and Lorna to get together. For Gilneas!

[rain cave]

I mean I wouldn't call it jealously

my own perspective is I don't give a crap, I just don't understand it

dragons are magical creatures who don't conform to normal biology

same as somebody like pelagos

so it fits the fantasy

I guess the only thing I'd be really confused about is how if this dragon is meant to not 'identify' then why choose a female visage form?

[glass flicker]

Yeah, if I hear an UwU from Selistra, I will genocide the Red Dragonflight.

[rain cave]

I also saw somebody complaining about pelagos being bad representation because they didn't do anything with him when I believe that in the setting of Warcraft, and especially the setting of the shadowlands, pelagos was woven in pretty well at the beginning for that stuff

[glass flicker]

Could have always given him more screen time. Just saying.

[rain cave]

well yeah

[glass flicker]

Pelagos felt kind of undeserving of the Arbiter role after not showing up once after the Kyrian campaign.

[rain cave]

but it made it sound like what they wanted was something like a badass warrior who kicks down a door and yells about how empowered they feel for being trans

instead of what we got

which is to me just

wince

[rain cave]

this is also true

especially since I feel it's kind of biased almost?

pelagos is a kyrian

why does a kyrian get to preside at the seat meant to mediate all of them

[glass flicker]

He just felt useless. I'm pretty sure he gives you a daily in Korthia and dips.

[rain cave]

I feel like his entire story was about being meek

it's kind of weird

[glass flicker]

Yeah, would have definitely given the role to Kleia if I had the choice.

[rain cave]

you can correct me but the feeling i get from pelagos is that he just fucks things up all the time and gets pat on the back for it

[plain violet]

Commentaries are the worst on Wowhead, always.

[rain cave]

forums

xdddd

[plain violet]

Also. :(

[glass flicker]

Like, Kleia is the first character we meet in Bastion. She was shown as knowledge, wise, and devoted.

Then she was proven a badass.

I would much rather have a badass trans character than an useless trans character.

[rain cave]

thing with kleia is that she's already preoccupied being specifically a kyrian

also personally I just though the idea of an arbiter was like

the bad thing?

I get we're reintroducing the human element

[glass flicker]

So? Being trans doesn't have to be important to her character. She could just be a badass that happens to be trans.

[rain cave]

but we're still putting faith in a powerful single being to tell dead people where they get to spend eternity

[glass flicker]

Kind of like Kung Jin in Mortal Kombat. A cool character that happens to be gay.

[rain cave]

kleia isn't even trans though

[glass flicker]

Yeah, I know.

I'm speaking hypotheticals.

If she were the trans character, instead of Pelagos.

[little hound]

I have a flawless resting bitch face.

[glass flicker]

Me, too.

[little hound]

Pffff

[rain cave]

idk I'm not exactly keen on the discussion around these kinds of topics

mainly because I just at a base don't understand it

[glass flicker]

You don't have to understand it to be cool with it, I guess.

[rain cave]

well yeah I don't care, it can be in WoW

[little hound]

I hate everyone equally ❤️

[glass flicker]

Yeah.

[glass flicker]

"And there is no one alive who can comprehend my sexual preference"

Alucard - Hellsing Abridged.

[rain cave]

but for example, even though I like the body type stuff as it relabels it as potentially opening up MORE body types for individual races

[little hound]

«LET ME HAVE MY NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS MOMENT!!»

[glass flicker]

No.

[little hound]

Hey.

Police girl.

[rain cave]

lets say somebody is trans mtf, would you not want to play a female? instead of a trans character?

[glass flicker]

[rain cave]

because in my understanding, they want to be female

[glass flicker]

I don't mind. I just want to play.

[rain cave]

if that's the kind of self insert character they want

[little hound]

I play a female character because the mogs on males’a shoulders are colossal.

[rain cave]

I have a split 50/50 on male/female characters

I just go with whatever looks nice

or I swap constantly every week

[glass flicker]

I go with females on light armored classes, and males on heavy armor.

[little hound]

Thats usualy how you get clamidya.

[rain cave]

I mean I don't have an orc caster but I'd definetly play orc male on a caster class

because orc male casting is just cool

but I don't think I can ever bring myself to play a human male

because their animations are like a wilhelm scream to me

they look like a meme to me

and just makes me laugh

[glass flicker]

It's worse.

[rain cave]

female human casting is 10/10 though

[glass flicker]

Human male paladin.

Lawful good.

[rain cave]

yeah

[glass flicker]

And lawful stupid.

[rain cave]

we need more melee animations

[little hound]

Correction; Human ret pala. WITH full dreadnaught.

[rain cave]

because the legion ones are being strung out into spells that make no sense

like mortal strike to me should be a big over head swing

powered up and ready to oneshot

[glass flicker]

Yes.

[rain cave]

but no you do a fucking spin and hit them with like a back underarm

[glass flicker]

Nelf female/male?

[little hound]

Aren’t we in the wrong channel for this ?

[glass flicker]

Nah, we're talking about things we want added.

And I wouldn't mind a new animation for Mortal Strike.

[rain cave]

this chat does get pretty off topic but this isn't the furthest it's gone by a mile

[glass flicker]

And a new one for Overpower.

[little hound]

I want new animations for christmas.

[rain cave]

also fix DK melee animations pleasseee

[glass flicker]

Overpower looks like a dual wield strike.

[little hound]

Let me add it to my christmas list.

[rain cave]

why does frost strike use racial animations now

in bfa it used one of the legion animations cross race

now it's back to using the silly racial ones

[glass flicker]

I hate the Overpower animation.

[rain cave]

which is so fucking annoying because my velf DK literally flips

and spins

on every frost strike

[little hound]

Imagine playing arms in current tier.

[rain cave]

it looks terrible

[little hound]

[glass flicker]

Obliterate also looks kinda bad with dual wield. It uses the same overhead strike as Condemn does on warrior.

[rain cave]

that's a specific obliterate animation added in SL

that condemn just borrows from

I like it but also think it's a tad sluggish

especially if you want to be spamming obliterates

[glass flicker]

It is.

You literally teleport back two feet to even start the animation.

It's kinda janky.

[cunning fossil]

The same way an Enby has a female body of course

[glad niche]

Just waking up and scrolling chat. My first thought with the dragon non-binary is. They could have made them a non playable race visage

But I also find vulpera cute and cuddly

So I will /pet

Main reason I'm so jazzed for Dracthyr and their total zero sexual dimorphism is cause I'm non-binary gender fluid.

And lizard is simply lizard.

[languid yoke]

I'm happy because the way most races look in WoW between male and female makes them look like entirely different species

[glad niche]

Also, this. It is not fun have large uh.... Assets. That do not conform to how I feel any given day. But it's the form I have. Some days it fits. Some days it don't.

[rain cave]

I'll be honest I don't get this stuff at all

but u do u

[plain violet]

I also like the possibility to change between a more "sexualized" form and a neutral one.

[glad niche]

That's perfectly ok, to not get it. It's a very personal thing that I'd wager no two people feel exactly the same about internally.

[plain violet]

Fullfill the fantasy of changing between what identity we present to others, at will.

[pulsar minnow]

The Dracthyr are pretty great all around for just presenting yourself however you see fit in-game with the insane level of customization

[glad niche]

Yeees

[rain cave]

the thing I don't understand is the 'enby' bit because to me I don't see gender as an identity it's just a thing

[languid yoke]

I just wish we could use other races with "just" the dragon eye customizations like Selistra has them, I really don't need more for my visage

[plain violet]

Agreed! :)

[languid yoke]

especially when Wrathion is like "choose for yourself what you wanna look like" and then I'm a fucking belf

[plain violet]

And agree also with WereNwolf.

[rain cave]

I could see them adding that tbf

[glad niche]

For me it dwindles down to the stereotypes ingrained into older generations, that still works it's way through younger ones.
The amount of "masculine" vs "feminine" I feel at any given point in time. And how "right" my shell feels with that fluctuation.

This is not the case for everyone tho. Again. What leads someone to these types of "so I'm non-binary/trans/etc" self discoveries is very personal and varied.

End of the day I typically vibe with just being "Sama".
I've had people online ask me before, things like "are you male or female?" My response is always a long the lines of "does it make a difference to who I am?"

So, visage being almost entirely optional with the new toggle(probably excluding key cutscenes)

The fact I'll get to simply be a non strictly designated dragon has me jazzed

Also. I'm a huge dragon nerd. So bonus points it's not jinyu or hozen.

I do wish we had some of the Dracthyr dialogue. I'm curious what they sound like. Tho I'm already guessing it is somewhat dependant on chosen visage.

That or we just gonna chirp and chortle in base form.

/silly really gonna sound silly when it's just alligator sounds

[cunning fossil]

Hey how much for those assets. Kinda trying to have them magically melded

[glad niche]

Enough to supply me with comfort food during the mending process. But you have to agree to taking the other assets with em. To balance the structure, of course.

Your turn radius will be affected tho. Be prepared to bump into things you didn't know were slightly behind you and to the side.

[cunning fossil]

I do not mind that one bit. You will get all the comfort food you need

And trust me

I want to be bumping into things

It's better than being a literal stick figure 😭 😭

[glad niche]

Gonna be like Aunt Fanny from Robots.

[cunning fossil]

For me personally of course

Pfft

I mean I can't get mad at that

[glad niche]

Lolol

Side note (that's actually closer to main topic)

I like how the Drake customizations so far have tail elongating options.

I love love whippy tails

Long*

[cunning fossil]

Agreeeed

Make a little whip tail and it's so cool

The more serpent like the better imo

[plain violet]

I totally understand this.

[glad niche]

Which mount is it.... The manta. In GW2. ( You know, the game who's level of animation I often gush over)

When you sit idle on a manta mount they use their tail to tap you on the shoulder. Swinging it away super quick when your character turns and looks behind em, all confused, then the other way too.
Just the shenanigans with a long whippy tail are great.

[rain cave]

I guess to me masculine and feminine don't matter because I've moved past those stereotypes, since I grew up with very tomboyish friends and want afraid of liking pink or stuff like that

So I don't feel like I would run from any of those labels because to me they don't mean anything

But yeah

[glad niche]

I don't think I'd call it running away. But I also think we've been on this topic in the spoiler chat likely long enough.

Mah goal was to just give some insight to the concepts.

[rain cave]

Fair

[glad niche]

Def want a troll visage.

Also. An update to older hairstyles 😩

The crest is my go to hair style for dark spear. Male and female. But it looks so awful and fart noise now.

What with it's complex three flat texture squiggles.

[rain cave]

Use the palm tree

[glad niche]

Gawd no

[rain cave]

Best hair

[glad niche]

I about choked on my spit when I saw that I snorted so hard.

It's funny and at the same time low key makes me angry. I've never once seen someone use it. Like it's SO silly, noone uses it with their ubber cool mogs. And in turn is a waisted hair style.

That time and effort to make a head tree could have spruced (hah) up old hairs

If someone DOES use it. More power to em! It's just so unpopular in the mass of players on Illidan alone, that I never see it.

And no, being under a helmet that hides hair, doesn't count. (Imo) if you can't see it when out and about in the world, the the haircut doesn't weigh in to customization

I keep forgetting to ask this.

After alphas end and it goes into beta. Is beta on the open PTR or is it another wave of invites only.

Or is PTR considered beta phase?

Like, is it's Alpha - beta - open beta (PTR)? Or alpha tests then open beta?

Then again I suppose since this one is being run different as far as how the alpha is being done more spliced, I suppose it's a case of wait and see maybe

[ember blaze]

@glad nichePTR is open beta

cause anyone can download and get into the ptr

[glad niche]

yeah, i was wondering if they do a closed beta phase

[ember blaze]

for beta, you usally get content creators giving out keys, if you personally didnt get in

[glad niche]

gotcha

[languid yoke]

PTR is gonna have the 10.0 content eventually, without dragon isles

gotta test pre-patch uldaman event and whatever else they got

[plain violet]

Yup, prepatch, dracthyr, talents..

[glass flicker]

And maybe some unique transmog items that are actually recolors and we'll never be able to get again.

Like the Legion event unique gold and black WoD crafted gear.

[plain violet]

That would be.. pretty nice.

[glass flicker]

It would, wouldn't it?

I already see it. Recolored Antorus sets for all classes, like belf paladins got.

Imagine the rogue one, in all black.

[glad niche]

bruh why am i able to dismount midair? My mount button hair triggered while i was miles high 😂

[plain violet]

I like black. Argh.

[plain violet]

Happen to me too sometimes. :(

[glad niche]

only reason im not mad is cause my shammy self rez was available lmao

[ember blaze]

if youre nightfae, blink stops fall damage

[glad niche]

maldraxx

[glad niche]

My gods i should not have looked at the dragon vulpera article lmao

The amount of blatant or low simmer hatred for something that has no effect whatsoever on the players producing the hate is flabbergasting

[rain cave]

I want more colour options for the WoD mythic sets

like you know the gul'dan looking BRF one

imagine that but with the purple and orange fire from the new PvP sets instead of the green fel

[cosmic beacon]

Vulpera dragon bis and her eyes are

[cunning fossil]

like I said, they will rage if anything but straight and male is represented

[plain violet]

Somes are crazy and full of hate. I closed as soon as I have seen some... really hurtful words towards people.

[plain violet]

God damnit you are right. x_x

[cunning fossil]

yuuup

[glad niche]

off topic keeps being lit up like someone messaged in there, i go check and see nothing

[cunning fossil]

Sorry fam

[glad niche]

Just wondering if discord is being wonky or something is all

[cunning fossil]

No no it's not you. it's just that sometime sit just happens

[upper pasture]

It’s someone spamming something mods/bots delete it and the notification stays. Truly nothing can be done

[glad niche]

gotcha

What kind of Ilvl should i set for myself before trying to fumble around in mythic burning throne? If anyone happens to know

[plain violet]

Burning Throne ? 240/250 would be more than fine

[glad niche]

cries in 82

[plain violet]

Ouch. Good luck.. 😁

[glad niche]

xD thanks lmao

[upper pasture]

are you level 60? do you have excess anima? do you know about the ZM catch up gear?

[glad niche]

no, no, no. shammy is 54 atm, wasnt gonna go at it or anything till after 60 tho

[upper pasture]

ugh, exp buff is almost gone better finish that random hunter i started before its gone

[ember blaze]

looks like theyre not extending it huh?

should delay until DF officially launches

[upper pasture]

why would they extend it?

[ember blaze]

because people asked

and I think they did that before

[upper pasture]

lol

[ember blaze]

so the history is there

it would also let people level with the new trees

if it's still going through pre patch

absolutely no downside

[glad niche]

whens it end?

[upper pasture]

S4 start

[glad niche]

I just made a new shammy lmao

hmmm, ill prob hit 60 by then

[ember blaze]

timewalking currently going too

[glad niche]

yeh! I did that some on my current shaman

made a zandalar man now to run the exact same spec

[proper crystal]

Yup. Similarly, I've been seeing so many complaints about "woke californism" because they "removed gender from the game" and are "forcing pronoun ideology." how dare this game be inclusive and accommodate other people! 🤡 smh...

[glad niche]

so i can have a non hunchy mog look

Also, right. body 1/2 doesnt exclude anyone. so i just 🤷

[proper crystal]

I managed to get my paladin from 50 to 60 in one day thanks to the buff+timewalking

[glad niche]

For a zandalari, what uhhh, loa boon, is best for enhancement shammy?

on my feral i ran bwonsamdi

Lemme just google them actually

looks like im takin bwonsamdi again!

[proper crystal]

bwonsamdi best loa

[glad niche]

AGREED

[cunning fossil]

[glad niche]

I have the directional capability of kenpachi

Looked at a map for the shrine

proceeded down the opposite side of pyramid

no... no. that was the correct side... now that im on the other side...

[opaque pewter]

who?

[glad niche]

the bleach equivalent of Zoro from one piece

[rain cave]

what?

[opaque pewter]

That is such a series reference hoops lol

[proper crystal]

😅

[glad niche]

lmao nevermind

[upper pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/ikusi-anime-dance-opacho-shaman-king-gif-25729233

[opaque pewter]

I mean I understood the reference with it, but you have to understand that, especially today, no one is watching or playing the same things as much as before

[rain cave]

I'd find it funny if the black empire time advenure thing is literally we show up and it's just like a normal city just old god themed and people selling tentacles on a stick and doing void lord plays

[glad niche]

One piece is still goin, and bleach has a new season soon

oh were getting a black empire adventure?

spook

[pulsar minnow]

Theres some "Grant Time Adventure" thing related to a faction called the Timekeepers found in the files

[rain cave]

my bet is that it'll end up replacing torghast as a thing

[pulsar minnow]

We'll be visiting the War of the Shifting Sands and the Black Empire

[rain cave]

regardless of Xpac

[pulsar minnow]

That could be awesome

[rain cave]

so instead of having a roguelike gamemode specifically tied to SL

they make it from the ground up and it has its own rewards

and it's just it's own seperate thing

[pulsar minnow]

Unpopular opinion maybe, but I loved Visions of N'zoth

[rain cave]

like deaths of chromie

visions could be fun

but deaths of chromie was still my fave

[pulsar minnow]

Would love to see anything like those kinds of content return

[rain cave]

but yeah it's my best that it's the continuation of those

[pulsar minnow]

Oh, and I don't mean to interrupt but I found something funny in the Box art of DF

Each aspect is represented here. Nozdormu, Alex, Ysera, Kalec

But the top right is Deathwing funny enough

[rain cave]

yeah he was the aspect

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah, I just found it interesting because it's not like, Neltharion

It's the metal chin and everything

[upper pasture]

i mean when he was neltharion he was but when he became deathwing he was the fallen aspect

hardly worth carving into stone

[pulsar minnow]

Still amazing box art. By far the best one they've ever done imo

[upper pasture]

usually when people fall from grace you don't carve them into stone is all

[pulsar minnow]

What's funnier to me also is that Kalec is there when he didn't become Aspect until Cata with the Tarecgosa questline

[upper pasture]

but i like the nice touch of on the spine there's an X on the top for the 10th version of wow

[rain cave]

I mean to me it looks like it would be an old carving

before he fell from grace

[upper pasture]

that's LITERALLY the point my guy

[pulsar minnow]

That's what I'm thinking too but then it has Kalec and not Malygos depicted

[rain cave]

why do you say that?

[pulsar minnow]

bottom left is kalec. It's got his pronounced spiky chin, underbite, spikes on his head, and the horns

Malygos didn't really have horns

[rain cave]

he did

literally your pfp

you can see a chin spike and horns

they are quite similar looking dragons overall though

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/917993-kalecgos.jpg

this is kalecgos

and malygos

without the texture details and eye colour it would be harder to tell

but they both have similar horns and spikes

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah going off his model he also has a beard but he doesn't have horns as pronounced as Kalec

Also that pointy nose and giant ears are on the box art

[uncut vault]

This art is actually Kalec haha

Hearthstone just messed up

[pulsar minnow]

Ya

[rain cave]

tf

why haven't they fixed that

that's like

over 10 years now I swear that cards been out it was core set

[pulsar minnow]

As you said, they're kinda similar, which they definitely are

But I guess it's not that important to them

[rain cave]

but yeah I think that it's malygos

in the art

actually

it might be nozdormu in the bottom left

and malygos top left

@pulsar minnow

the beard thing matches

and horns

[pulsar minnow]

I'm thinking Nozdormu top left mainly because that dragon has his beard under the horns

[rain cave]

you said deathwing was top right

[pulsar minnow]

mistype lol

[rain cave]

that changes the whole topic of this discussion bruh

but top right doesn't have a beard

are we seeing the same image

[pulsar minnow]

No I mean like top right is deathwing I didn't mean to say nozdormu top right lol

[rain cave]

oh

[signal bone]

man I am made what they did to Nozdormui's model

[pulsar minnow]

Nozdormu top left, kalec bottom left, deathwing top right, and ysera is of course ysera

[rain cave]

but then the horns don't match

[signal bone]

mad*

they did him dirty

[rain cave]

and malygos has that beard too

I think

actually it doesn't even look beard on top left to me

[pulsar minnow]

I think they had to change him mainly because his face was basically Deathwing without the chin, and just out of date

[rain cave]

looks like the fin/horn things malygos has

[pulsar minnow]

Gonna just say it, but dang is Malygos one ugly dragon lol

[rain cave]

what did they do to noz's model

btw

[signal bone]

they disney-fied him

[rain cave]

how so

[pulsar minnow]

His textures are just crisper and smoother which kinda matches the modern "disneyfied" art style

I don't mind it personally

[rain cave]

but yeah look at the curve between his horns, snout and nose horn

matches the bottom left one much more

whereas top left matches malygos more

[pulsar minnow]

Problem is that Noz doesn't have a crest, whereas Kalec does

[ember blaze]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/status/1552435155310354432?s=20&t=ZMt-u1HwdsWPqq-zvBsPWQ

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

Oh I absolutely love that theyre just adding photography to the game

Likes

343

Twitter · Jul 27, 2022, 11:25 PM

how have i not heard of this

[rain cave]

crest?

he has a nose horn

what do you mean by crest

[pulsar minnow]

Like the horns running down the middle of his head

[rain cave]

wdym

the thing is the horns don't match kalec bottom left

they match nozdormu way more

[pulsar minnow]

That's a crest

[rain cave]

the 'crest' you're seeing to me reads as the other horn

like alex in the middle has both horns in perspective

[ember blaze]

@uncut vault is there more camera stuff available?

[glad niche]

want

[dense plover]

endgame mostly i think

[livid walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/781339646466195467/1002650167213817906/unknown.png?width=584&height=468

LOL

[cunning fossil]

i don't ge tthe last image lol

but still cute frog

[livid walrus]

he seems to ate the one who been on the blanket

it has sun glasses in mouth

[rain cave]

nom

[cunning fossil]

oh lmao

[livid walrus]

found this one!\

[uncut lintel]

THE ABCKAPCKS

THE BACKPACKS

THERES BACKPACKS WITH PAWS ON THEM

[dense plover]

(us) VersionsName: 10.0.0.44795 → 10.0.0.44876! this is on wowdev now

its newer than whats on beta but older than whats on the vendor

so this MIGHT be going live to fix some bugs, or this could be next week's build

[uncut vault]

I think most of the climbing snd photography will be end game world quests, these mostly just introduce you to the system

[harsh mason]

He literally appeared in the plot of every covenant

A lot of things in the game are simply forgotten due to the passage of time (well, in general, people really put quests below raids (namely the plot), which is wrong

[plain violet]

I can agree on this. Sometimes, major plots are forgotten even if they were present.

I wonder how many people still remember the Huln flashbacks quests...

[harsh mason]

I remember very well how people admired the plot quest of the covenants in 9.0 and 9.1 (especially when characters from different covenants interacted with each other. So it's just dishonest and hypocritical, in my opinion

And I am 100% sure that a year will pass after the release of expansion, Selistra will be forgotten

And it doesn't matter if the characters are memorable or not, there are so many quests that many moments are forgotten.

So Pelagos became an arbiter because he interacted most with other covenants. True, I did not understand, a "live" arbiter was chosen again, but this was the reason that Zovaal tried to change the universe (that's why he was replaced with a soulless machine)

Like, what prevents Pelagos, after a couple of thousand years, to understand that the universe is imperfect and it can be changed?

[dense plover]

"Chakram has been removed from the talent tree." - why?

i liked the talent, even if it wasnt popular

it was cool

[subtle oar]

That Bloody Frenzy talent is huge for me, as I find myself struggling a bit to keep frenzy stacks

[harsh wedge]

I guess they removed it because there are Chakram and Death Chakram and it feels redundant ? A choice node to have a chakram or another chakram - even if both work differently, a new player would basically be using a choice node for the "same" thing"

[rain cave]

They're not redundant though

Normal chakram is single target or loads of stacked mobs

Death chakram is for like cleave or low target aoe

[harsh wedge]

I'm not talking about their effects, I'm talking that, as a new player, I see a choice node with the same thing

And I'm fairly certain it was because you'd take death chakram almost all the time so it wasn't really a choice node ?

[uncut vault]

Yeah chakram was kinda just, never something you'd take haha

focus spender with an awkward shoot radius vs a focus generator

I do wish they could have reworked it to have a better effect though

[harsh wedge]

Maybe they tried and just go to death chakram with the rework anyway

[cobalt spoke]

Chakram is a shame to lose

since it's just cool

[plain violet]

It's a shame but I understand the logical process behind this.

Interesting modifications, still, about hunter..

[rain cave]

I want sidewinders and marked shot back

Still the most fun I've had as hunter

[ember blaze]

blizz really nerfing soar

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

[plain violet]

How? Where?

I have seen it..

Please no, why. O_o

[harsh wedge]

Because they are the only one that can do that outside of Dragon Isles

[plain violet]

Aaargh... :(

[dense plover]

i figured they were going to nerf it

its too fast

its still very fast, but theyre seeing if its still fun without being super busted

[ember blaze]

cant have an advantage soaring to pet battles in kalimdor apparently

[plain violet]

I understand the choice considering the speed, but there is also the CD.

[dense plover]

my guess is theyll actually nerf the max speed more

because its the same as dragonriding right now which is 950%

[ember blaze]

and?

[plain violet]

For now, the dracthyr will be at 620, not 900.

[dense plover]

with the nerf, its 920%

[plain violet]

And the base mount is 410.

[dense plover]

my guess is it might end up at 800%

[plain violet]

So 200 more, quite still something.

[dense plover]

which is still super fast

but like - not a mount

[plain violet]

No it's before the nerf!

[ember blaze]

310 @plain violet

[dense plover]

before the nerf, its 950

[plain violet]

With the next alpha build, we’re making a change to Soar for Dracthyr that reduces their maximum speed from (roughly) 930% to 640%

[dense plover]

its the same as dragonriding

huh

oh

OH

theyre nerfing the total BY 30%

thats actually more than i thought

[harsh wedge]

410, that's 100% + 310%

[plain violet]

Yeah I understand your wording.

Yup, I use the words from the bluepost, sorry Tobi. ^^'

So it's still faster than a mount, but not that fast.

Maybe 1,5 as fast..

[dense plover]

it still makes it good

it just wont be travel an entire continent good

[plain violet]

Still make it good, but the CD is to see.

[dense plover]

i agree its a weird cooldown

[ember blaze]

but what's the problem

[dense plover]

i think if dragon riding becomes available outside of the dragon isles, it will get unnerfed and the cooldown will be reduced

[ember blaze]

specially when it's a commitment by the player to actually stay flying

[dense plover]

but not before then

[harsh wedge]

The problem is that they are the only one that could do it at more than double of the others

[plain violet]

I think it would be better to have a reduced cooldown yes, or no cooldown.

[harsh wedge]

That's the problem they talked about

[dense plover]

the problem is that it means everyone will race change to dracthyr for running old content

[plain violet]

But "a little bit faster, not that fast"

[ember blaze]

a mage blinks into a new continent.

[dense plover]

no they dont

they can cast teleport but thats not going to let them blast through a raid zone or escape world pvp

[ember blaze]

blast through a raid zone?

we're talking about soar here 🤔

[plain violet]

I don't think dracthyrs can soar in instance, right?

[ember blaze]

they cant...

has the same limitations as flying

[pulsar minnow]

Dracthyr can only soar where flying is enabled

[dense plover]

ok

[ember blaze]

but it still wont let you soar in instances that let you ground mount

[dense plover]

still effects world pvp

[ember blaze]

how?

you cant soar in combat

[pulsar minnow]

tbf anyone could just mount up it takes the same time basically

[dense plover]

WORLD pvp - once out of combat, you can zoom away

[ember blaze]

i can do that right now

[dense plover]

to my knowledge, it doesnt have a cast time

[pulsar minnow]

No soar does have a cast time

[dense plover]

oh

[pulsar minnow]

You charge it up then launch up

[plain violet]

Soar have a cast time, yes.

[ember blaze]

you can literally do that right now if you have flying unlocked

[dense plover]

idk then. i guess theyre mainly trying to avoid people having to feel like they NEED to race change or something ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cunning fossil]

Blizzard really did do fun detected. But honestly, i expected it to happen

[plain violet]

It's a problem: it need to be better than regular flying, not that better but still preferable.

I understand the speed nerf.

[dense plover]

its still better tbf

[cunning fossil]

just makes you go "WHy play any other race and hav ea flying mount whenI can play dracthyr lol"

[plain violet]

But expect a reduced CD.

[dense plover]

i think if its too slow, theyll either speed it back up or reduce the cooldown

[plain violet]

I mean, 5mn is really long.

[pulsar minnow]

I mean I get where they're coming from but I also wish they would just keep it as it is because its just... fun

[plain violet]

I hope it. 😁

[cunning fossil]

It should beb a 3 minute CD I feel

because it'

s not an AFK trip like regular flying

[ember blaze]

should be 0 cd

[plain violet]

As they have say in the bluepost, you need the fantasy of being a flight creature.

[cunning fossil]

you have to still be there and do it

[dense plover]

definitely not

[ember blaze]

definitely yes.

[dense plover]

then you might as well leave it the same

[plain violet]

That it's your race, you can just fly. Still having some limitations.

[pulsar minnow]

If they're worried about giving one race an advantage, I've got this crazy idea of just enabling Dragonriding outside the Dragon Isles

[plain violet]

But a dracthyr should, by nature, be superior.

[cunning fossil]

HUnters are eating so fucking good

[ember blaze]

in the future when everyone has full max flying

and on every continent

make it 0 cd

[cunning fossil]

wait what the fuck did they remove chakrams??

[plain violet]

Yes we are. In a Ryan voice

[cunning fossil]

hey what the hell

[plain violet]

Yes aha.

[languid yoke]

I don't think people SERIOUSLY think the advantage of Soar would be worth a race change

did people racechange to vulpera for the camp?

[cunning fossil]

I liked chakrams :/

[pulsar minnow]

Not just that, a CLASS change!

[languid yoke]

nothing but the camp?

[harsh wedge]

You can't class change to it nor race change

Since they are both mutually exclusive

[pulsar minnow]

Exactly. Nobody is just going to play a race and a class for a 5 minute cooldown

Okay I take it back maybe one guy will do that but most wont

[plain violet]

To Blizzard's defense, the bluepost explain well that they understand it's not a easy choice..

[languid yoke]

their reasoning is dumb though

[plain violet]

I hope it will change again later.

[languid yoke]

I just simpy don't agree and it makes the hard choice a pointless choice

[cunning fossil]

Not rally dumb. it just kinda feels bad but it does make sense

l;ike

[ember blaze]

specially when nobody is shedding a tear over getting to a pet battle faster

[languid yoke]

I don't even think it makes sense

lemme get the post

[plain violet]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-dragonriding/1279462/71

Here. :)

However I agree the "clearing old raids for transmog" argument is..

bad for talking about clearing old raids.

Chromie time, okay, you are REALLY faster;

But pet battle and raids.. Not really.

[harsh wedge]

I think they meant you can go from raids to raids faster

Not clearing them

[plain violet]

I think too, but..

[harsh wedge]

They worded it badly on that point, but the rest seems to be a good point

[plain violet]

Well, where is really the advantage, considering the transmog is personal?

[languid yoke]

bruh.

useless fucking bot

[harsh wedge]

You can do it in less time, that's an advantage

[languid yoke]

Chromie Time you are faster in short distance travel, but don't forget a crucial thing: They are in the old world at level 60 they don't have chromie time

Clearing old raids is a dumb argument, other classes can potentially be faster within the raid and mages / vulpera / DID(?) also have advantages in this regard, maybe not if you were to travel from each raid to another in one day

pet battling I don't understand at all

[ember blaze]

DH armies when they started really high 🤔

[plain violet]

If raid would be of a financial value, I would agree, Aenyth.

[languid yoke]

it's a 5 minute cooldown how the hell is it helping with pet battling

[pulsar minnow]

If Soar is such an issue in Chromie Time, then just disable it? Why did Blizz see this as such a massive issue?

[plain violet]

But for transmog...

[languid yoke]

Dracthyr don't even get to play Chromie Time

Chromie Time stops working at level 60

[harsh wedge]

An advantage is still an advantage

[pulsar minnow]

Oh really?

[harsh wedge]

They still keep an advantage with those changes

[languid yoke]

druids have an advantage because they are in cat form all the time in raid

[plain violet]

Oh, yo'ure righht.

🤔

Strange argument from them so.

[languid yoke]

vulpera have an advantage because they can make a camp in front of a hard to reach raid

[ember blaze]

you could create dh armies to farm leather mogs

and theyre super fast

[languid yoke]

vulpera mages have an even bigger advantage

[dense plover]

i think its more about people doing mass race changes and the class imbalance

i think they want to avoid no tanks in queue

and other similar problems

[languid yoke]

that won't ever happen

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[languid yoke]

people who main tanks will still have a tank

[ember blaze]

so nothing is changing either way then?

[languid yoke]

queueing has nothing to do with this

[dense plover]

lets see what the feedback is first

my guess is it will still be very fun

since its still 200% faster than any flying mount

[plain violet]

I hope for better changes, yes.

The idea of having a flying character was really fun.

(and druid already is)

But having a flying race.. even better.

[languid yoke]

do you really care if a dracthyr can travel from raid to raid a bit faster when they aren't even the fastest inside the raid? They probably can't even, idk, fly from Ulduar to ICC to farm both mounts. Sound like an exciting route to find out

but even then if you care about both mounts just be a vulpera and put a camp in front one of them, you'll always be faster than a derg

[plain violet]

It also give the fact that, in the Isles, you will really use your mount and much less your own race.

[languid yoke]

yeah Soar has literally no use on the Dragon Isles

[plain violet]

I wonder, why "der" for dracthyr?

[languid yoke]

derg is a term for dragon

[harsh wedge]

I'd say the best change they can do right now with those is reducing the cd to 2, 3 minutes

[plain violet]

Oh, okay, thanks! :)

Or even 1mn.

Or change the CD to start once you fly.

[ember blaze]

dracthyr cant even get the flying upgrades

[plain violet]

And not once you land.

Yes.. :(

[pulsar minnow]

They should really let Dracthyr just do Dragonriding themselves on the isles. If the mount is just an appearance and a protodrake isn't functionally different than a wyvern, why would a Dracthyr be any different?

[ember blaze]

[languid yoke]

I agree

but blizzard seems against

I also think that now we have multiple NPCs using visage forms where the only difference is the eyes looking draconic, why can't we have that for visage form options for Dracthyr

[harsh wedge]

I'd give the feedback to itr right now (even if it only next build) but sadly I am from europe so I can't reply to their post

[languid yoke]

especially after Wrathion gives us his awesome "choose how you want to appear" speech and then you're forced into appearing like a belf

I don't wanna appear like a belf

give me the option to have a panda visage form with dragon eyes, I'll be very happy

[dense plover]

probably pvp

you cant tell someone is a dracthyr until they transform if its only the eyes

not to say its super obvious right now

but theres a clear visual distinction

[languid yoke]

you can't tell someone is a mage or priest when they're sitting on a dumb and just running around

all other classes only begin being distinctive once they use their shit

[pulsar minnow]

Well Dracthyr will be dragons in combat. Just make it so the visage form can only be a race from your faction

[dense plover]

i dont think they should half ass additional visage forms either

i think they should do as much as they did with the current options

[languid yoke]

plus you won't tell from farm if a belf looks weirdly draconic when you can even hide the horns

[dense plover]

also dracthyr visage =/= dragon visage

dracthyr are part mortal part dragon

[languid yoke]

if wrathion tells us that we can choose we appear

[rain cave]

wew came back after like 30 mins and chats popping off

[languid yoke]

how does the restriction suddenly come in place

[pulsar minnow]

Would love to see these in the future

[rain cave]

also yeah I mean I don't get what people are saying about dracthyr in lore only having limited visage forms

the part mortal part dragon thing IS their dracthyr form

[languid yoke]

I don't even need all those, I do think that's too much work for one class

it would be awesome, but we gotta accept that art takes lots of time

[rain cave]

race, technically

if dracthyr were somehow limited in their visage forms, why would it be for two different unrelated races?

[languid yoke]

you'd have to work on giving 20 races dragony customizations for 1 race's secondary appearance

[rain cave]

^

[languid yoke]

which is why I think just eyes would be fine

since the primalist eyes are a clear indicator they can handle that

[subtle oar]

Gib panda!

[dense plover]

visage form wouldnt be class specific though

thats the thing - if they let dracthyr be other classes, thats when theyll let them potentially be other races

and in that case, they absolutely need to be visually neat

[pliant plank]

your honour, fun detected

[cosmic beacon]

vulpera visage with horns

[nocturne totem]

Clipping their wings and making it so they can't go much much faster than other?

🙌

[dense plover]

its still 200% higher speed

its 50% faster

instead of 130% faster

[nocturne totem]

Yeah so it is just much faster

Lower than much much

[dense plover]

yes

people are like "fun detected"

i called it after i saw someone fly the entire wall over kun lai in less than 30 sec

it makes the old world feel super small and thats bad

its not like they can go back through old zones and double their size

[nocturne totem]

It's already dumb that Demon Hunters get glide

Same time they disable Goblin Glider in instances

[livid walrus]

I wonder how evoker will reach Argus

[crimson jasper]

now for once I do have to complain, like, what problem is there having Soar being cool, gaining "advantage" over other races?? like bullshit, what "advantage"? it's for open world gameplay

[rain cave]

It's just a different form of dragon riding

In the content where dragon riding is useful, it would still be better to use dragon riding

Surely

[crimson jasper]

it wouldnt even need to be, blizz is just afraid of people baby raging about "why can drqchtyr fly, cant play another race, no other race can compete"

compete with fucking what?

sorry I am just kinda off the rails today

[rain cave]

It's not like they're gonna be flying at low levels and speed leveling either

[crimson jasper]

dog is at the vet, doc said she could maybe die

so

for being absolute spoon elves

ah bot

ok so I will let out my rage at "tunnel from behind" blizzard

everything in this game needs to be "competetive"

now even flying outdoors

god beware people have an "unfair advantage"

[pulsar minnow]

Oh gosh that's terrible, best wishes for her

[crimson jasper]

thanks, so yea stress might just took me off the rails here but, tbh better to rage at a coconut brain company

distracts from things

[pulsar minnow]

I totally understand

So anyways, yeah this is a downright just dumb change imo

It's a 5 minute CD anyways

Now its 5 minutes and even SLOWER

[crimson jasper]

I cant see where it makes sense, it's just what we had in Shadowlands "people you need to play our game"

[pulsar minnow]

its not like it had the full capabilities of actual dragonriding

[crimson jasper]

theres tons of feedback from people

saying how great soar is and how it should have lower CD etc

cause it is

just fun

and what is crayon eater devs response

"make soar worse, got it"

[pliant plank]

As it stands druid fly from is quite "advantageous" too

[crimson jasper]

???

[pulsar minnow]

Lol

[crimson jasper]

maybe we should remove that

too strong for outdoor content

[rain cave]

why are hunters getting so many responses it's kind of hilarious

thought they'd have an internal standard saying they can only post/make comments in certain formats with other classes

[pulsar minnow]

You know we should also remove Demon Hunters glide since not every class can glide

Until Evokers ofc

[rain cave]

but hunter guy is making it look like they can just post whenever they have news

that being said why tf stampede replacing chakrams in the center

makes no sense to me

[crimson jasper]

looks like blizz is already going back to their old ways

also

[crimson jasper]

remove jump, too strong to be able to jump up a ledge

just make the game a vrowser game

we all click "ok"

and we get our loot

easy

no "advantages" there

[pulsar minnow]

I get why they would be concerned if it was a racial (because of Zandalari’s OG Regeneratin’) but it kind of isn’t. They’re a race/class combo and even if it is a racial it can’t be used anywhere else but the open world

[crimson jasper]

it makes no sense, which makes sense cause blizzard is at it's best making no sense

[pliant plank]

Well at least maybe they reduce the cd to compensate

[crimson jasper]

put a 10 min cd on druid flight form

[nocturne totem]

I'd be cool with that. At least make it same cast time as mount.

Don't remove

[crimson jasper]

it gives druids too much of an advantage dude

[glad niche]

I just, as someone thats played MANY druids, and takes full advantage of picking plants as a bird

the excuse is bulllarky

the one in the blue post i mean

[nocturne totem]

Just make flight form have the mount cast time.

The herb advantage is equalized by the shredder mount

[pliant plank]

Make it so that you dismount the sky golem too, when harvesting

In the meanwhile

[glad niche]

that doesnt fix the dracthyr being berfed tho, instead of making different things LESS fun

[uncut lintel]

whats going on

[uncut lintel]

wtf

[glad niche]

they need to realize every class has a perk somewhere

[uncut lintel]

10 min cd on flight form bro u out of yo mount

mind

[crimson jasper]

context needed

[uncut lintel]

ik conext