beta-ptr-spoilers

[analog sphinx]

d

[harsh mason]

This will happen anyway (or rather it has already happened in the future). No matter how hard he tries to change the future, it will happen (just in a different way). He has already become one, the bronze dragonflight has already become the dragons of infinity

As long as Nozdormu is alive, nothing will change

[austere gazelle]

that's why, maybe, we'll have to kill him before all of this happens in a strange turns of event, since we, Azerothian mortals, can change the course of time with our sheer wills... ( C.F Elisande fight and Thousand years war novel )

[frozen zealot]

Can anyone confirm a happening in Dragonflight I’ve found in rumours one being the discovery of an item to return the aspects their powers given to them by the titans but the Infinite Dragonflight by the help of some rogue bronzes and rogue Dracthyr steal it to use it’s power to bend time and bring Galakrond to present day Dragon Isles.

[austere gazelle]

First part is uldaman dungeon with the discs of Tyr, second one is rumors and dunno were it comes from

[frozen zealot]

I guess we’ll wait and see if it’s true but it would be epic if we fought a scary looking galakrond as big as a mountain

In the book about that time it claimed he looked somewhat grotesque with eyes and proto dragon limbs and other body parts sticking out of his body

[harsh mason]

They are unlikely to repeat the fight with a huge boss, as there was a lot of criticism on Deathwing

Like, he was really boring

Or they can do the fight on behalf of the dragons, but there are even more nuances that can make the fight bad

[glad niche]

I feel like unearthly large bosses are better done in a ground based fight

If galakrond is that massive doing something ground based wherever he's inevitably stuck, might be fun. Like a scenario involving dragon riding bits or something.

I can't say a straight up aerial attack would feel all that "wow such neat mechanic!" With the base flight system

Death wings fight was cool on paper I think. He's still a bit stinky for farming tho. At least as a solo feral

Tho if galakrond were to be an immobile chungus the size of a mountain, idk how well he'd fair against those mortal races with a penchant for simply blowing shit up

[harsh mason]

In fact, Knaak liked to exaggerate everything in his novels The way he described Galakrond made it a bit unreal even within WoW

His skeleton in the game shows that he wasn't that huge

[glad niche]

I forget where to see said skelly. Is it a spot we can go to?

[harsh mason]

Well, that is, it is big, but not as big as shown in the novel

[glad niche]

squints at pictures well. Given how tiny protodrake skulls are in comparison to the whole, he's certainly on the side of small mountains

But that looks (from the angle) no bigger then deathwing himself had been

[harsh mason]

It's the size of a Deathwing in a raid

[glad niche]

Which, from reading different wikis to understand the flights lores better, yeah, bookwise the aspects were tiny compared to him

Wonder if they simply made his bones small in northrend due to limitations at the time. Or if he's simply not that big of a mountain

Them bones def aren't "devourer of all things" scale tho. Those are more "devourer of some things"

That Manta critter tho.

[plain violet]

Scales and limitations yes.

It's often we have ingame sizes of monsters and NPC that are not their "true scale".

[rain cave]

pun intended?

[plain violet]

Not really but thanks, aha!

[opaque pewter]

The world is not in their true scales too. Cities and settlements typically

[plain violet]

Yeah! For example we know like... 100yrds in game, for Gorgrond, was "kilometers aways"

[coarse quail]

Woah woahzis there gonna be a return to pasttt and their zones?!?!

[subtle oar]

PANDAREN?!

[glad niche]

Yeah it's , from my understanding, a time walk to their revolution against the mogu

[uncut lintel]

mogu

[glad niche]

Idk if I spelled it right or not but yes lol

[dense plover]

It’s unclear exactly how it works

It may be a time trial like chromies thing was

Or it could be a rogue like Ala torghast

Mix of both or neither

[glad niche]

Yeah, moreso ment the context of it. Time walk and then the name of the pandaren one

Unless it's retconned ofc. The pandaren only have one big revolution in their hostory

Also, on the earlier scale topic. Iirc the tauren in books are very much larger then their already largeness in game

[plain violet]

Yup, in lore, tauren are just giants.

[opaque pewter]

Yeah. They're 300cm-ish iirc

[plain violet]

Exactly, and highmountain taurens are supposed to be even more larger and taller.

Baine describing them as "very tall" for him.

And the quest talking about how Huln was larger after his benediction, for Jarod.

[glad niche]

I doubt it would ever happen but some day would be cool to see everything at the lore scale

id love to see a scaled tauren npc commenting on the demenuitive stature of doorways

[opaque pewter]

Even if it was possible, game balance is really what keep these things in check unfortunately

[glad niche]

mhmm, they would have to make a lot of functional things MUCH bigger

[rain cave]

people complaining about things not being to scale, no they are, just everyone else has to be brought up to gigachad tauren scale

[plain violet]

I would like it too. x)
That's funny to RP sometimes, because.. doorsways, stomping on someone...
Long ago I created a scale chart, and that was funny to see a night elf would stand a bit around the leg of a HM tauren.

[opaque pewter]

You can kinda see the effect of game balance with the scale we have right now. Some models/mounts move way slower than they feel

[plain violet]

(but below the belt)

[opaque pewter]

Typically, the bigger you are, the more distance you can cover per step

[plain violet]

Yeah, and in Vanilla, the hitbox would allow for some range... and abusive bugs ensues.

[uncut lintel]

why cant we have em in g ame

[opaque pewter]

See above lol

[rain cave]

Height options for all races

[glad niche]

oh yeah, that the colossal abomination thing out in northrend somewhere. I always found it kool and while unrelated, it reminded me of the theory of time being relative. Like to a flys eye, us giant creatures move rather slowly.

[rain cave]

Just a minor adjustment

[uncut lintel]

oh

[plain violet]

See above yes, that would be highly impractical.. :/

[rain cave]

5% in either direction

[uncut lintel]

ye i seen

[upper pasture]

Aren’t trolls taller than Taurens tho?

[opaque pewter]

Not in-lore

[rain cave]

How tall are draenei in lore

[grave sequoia]

HI

[glad niche]

I want the long af draenei tails we always see in art. why they got them lil nubby ones (by comparison) in game?

[plain violet]

No, in lore, way smaller.

[grave sequoia]

how are they?

[rain cave]

They have long tail options now

[opaque pewter]

That's a good question. I'm not sure if there are official numbers for the newer races
We have some estimates based on other media, etc. For example, the worgen should be significantly taller then humans based on novels/comics

[plain violet]

Trolls are really tall, still, by human comparison.

[rain cave]

They go down to their feet almost

[glad niche]

wait what??? 😮

[plain violet]

But taurens are the bigger playable race, in lore.

[glad niche]

im gonna have to go play with filthy ally creation

uwu

[rain cave]

And bro I'm ngl the long draenei tails had me down bad

I don't even know why

[sullen dawn]

Bad idea to install add-ons while wow downloading?

I'm impatient

[rain cave]

I mean addons just go into the folder alongside the files

if you're actually modifying files of the game wouldn't that technically no longer be an addon

you could probably prepare your addon list

and installing might be fine if the directories are set up already

[uncut lintel]

thats what made me make a draenei pally

the tails...

ff--- i lost

[livid walrus]

Gossip lines of npcs on the alliance ship to Dragon isles.:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781339646466195467/1000003219499524166/unknown.png

Horde gunship gossips :

Enjoy the lines! 😄

[plain violet]

Thanks you very much, I love them. :)

Some are really funny!

[glad niche]

In the AH dance party,, Drakks dances

hes doin the male vulpera dance

[uncut lintel]

yea

if u type /dance he deances with u
or type /sit he sits/sleeps

p cool

idk if he does anything else

[glad niche]

So precious

he rides a mount when you do, its a fire chicken, so he flies with you

[uncut lintel]

ye

im jelly he got red chicken

i want red chken

[cunning fossil]

LMAO.

"This is the best day of my life"

[livid walrus]

he has a kit next to him on the gunship for real. dragon one.

[cunning fossil]

That's awesome

Characters with personalities

How I missed them so

[austere gazelle]

You mean you missed Zovaal ?

[cunning fossil]

HAHAHAHAHGAHA

[sullen dawn]

Anyone heard any tech stuff about DF?

I know they're increasing draw distance. Any dlss stuff or RT improvements?

[rain cave]

There's already fsr right?

And Raytraced shadows

[sullen dawn]

The RT shadows are pretty bad

RT lighting would be very nice

No dlss support though

[uncut vault]

wait, is the gunship actually a separate boat-style travel point now, or just for the intro quests?

[livid walrus]

it is the 'boat' to Dragon isles.

[uncut vault]

does it show up on any character, or just ones at level 65 from the previous beta?

[rain cave]

I genuinely haven't noticed them

Like I'd need a side by side

[livid walrus]

i think all. but i will need to check

i dont know about level 10s

but all who are lvl 60 can see

[uncut vault]

Well I mean more, was this character created last beta during azure span testing, or this beta?

err, last alpha*

wondering if it's something that only shows up after you "finish" the dragon isles intro

[livid walrus]

i only got my alpha this build

[uncut vault]

That answers it then, thanks! ❤️

[livid walrus]

i had to check

[uncut vault]

lol, perfect

[livid walrus]

the /read /map has new scroll

[glad niche]

BLESS

[coarse quail]

Amazing and funny what u sent!
Thank u💪

[uncut vault]

riveting information

[rain cave]

reads like a meme template

[dense plover]

skinning gear looks so good

[rain cave]

wish we could tmog this stuff

[dense plover]

we will be able to

[rain cave]

especially that hat

[dense plover]

just not at launch

[rain cave]

why tho it's legit just appearances

😭

[dense plover]

though probably not to a different class/profession

[rain cave]

well yeah obv

just like how you need engineering for goggles

[dense plover]

probably because of how its stored on your character

[rain cave]

wdym

they can make armour pieces type agnostic

as seen with the tmog helmets

and preorder sets

[uncut vault]

I love this snippet of dark iron physiology lore lol

[rain cave]

new dark iron racial

start taking fatigue damage as soon as you hit the water

also if the dark iron dwarves are LITERALLY on fire in that way

does that imply they're literally physiologically closer to elementals?

not just a different skintone/culture from normal dwarves

[livid walrus]

above there are all the gossip lines if you want 🙂

[glad niche]

@proper crystal Its not working yet but just checked dressing room, it has the vague shape of a dracthyr now

[uncut lintel]

why is wow updating

[plain violet]

We know from the weapon questline that everything that is "burning" for us, is just warm for them.

[glad niche]

So it wasnt just me?

[uncut lintel]

game being sus

[uncut lintel]

no

[livid walrus]

shh evokers are druids

[uncut lintel]

pleaase

[livid walrus]

now i am a hunter

[glad niche]

Such magic

[uncut lintel]

hacks

im reporting to the headquarters of dragonflight

@livid walrus a dracthyr hunter named dragonslayer with the title dragonslayer

[livid walrus]

Better

[upper pasture]

Zuzu what a great name

[uncut lintel]

zazu

[upper pasture]

Oh, damn my memory i was thinking pazuzu

[proper crystal]

illustrious career!

[proper crystal]

[livid walrus]

Thanks!

i cant find the sewer enterance from the side of dala

did they remove that

[proper crystal]

Not sure, and i’m not home to check at the moment—you might be able to glitch in from the shark pool if that’s still messed up

[livid walrus]

if it is , it is messed on old dala not new one iirc

[mossy meteor]

ptr updated

[dense plover]

yeah

not many changes

some AH backend stuff

thats kinda it

[mossy meteor]

hmmm

neat

i wonder, if not in the prepatch, then when will we see the new nelf tree

[proper crystal]

no, i mean new (legion) dal, there was a corner were the water ends and you can fly down into the city’s insides

[livid walrus]

i see

[rich elm]

chair too small

[plain violet]

It seem dracthyrs can be in all order hall?

[uncut vault]

Yeah, order halls arent coded to let a class in

theyre coded to keep the other 11 out

they havent added evoker to that list yet

[mossy meteor]

lol

[ember blaze]

All these quick actions for hunters but 0 words for shadow

[plain violet]

Oooh, I see. Well that's funny. 😁

[rain cave]

Order halls are like "who and what the hell is this guy?"

[cunning fossil]

HUNTERS ARE EATING SO FUCKING GOOOD

I feel spoiled

"New talent added that increases the duration and damage of any Dire Beast summon."

Zoo BM is a tHING

OPh my god SUrvival is just

New Talent - Ranger - Increases the damage of Steady Shot, Kill Shot, Explosive Shot, and Serpent Sting.

AQYO??

Ranged Survival build INC??

What the hellI don't even see negatives in this at all like what the fuck

an entire bluepost that i don't disagree with

wot

Ranged Sruvival is real

even if it may be shit i do not care

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-bob-sponge-forever-tired-gif-7583491

Shadow players

[cunning fossil]

K

Everyone jealous of hunters.

Everybody acting like hunters didn't have a horrendous ass looking tree. Especially survival

Don';t rain on my parade. IT's not my fault your community managers for your class' feedback hasn't said anything

I really do wonder why the hunter guy is so incredibly engaged though

[dense plover]

nice - best survival change "Several abilities reduced to 1 or 2 total points, down from 2 or 3 total points."

[cunning fossil]

I know right??

[dense plover]

because its the class that needs the most changes

it is by far the worst set of trees

[cunning fossil]

That's exactly what I said

!*

[dense plover]

im sure we will see changes to most of the classes next build, but hunter needed them badly

[cunning fossil]

agreed Peach.

I am just really happy as a hunter main

just oh my lord actual feedback and changes

and new shit to try out

I'm crying

they even threw us a bone with Ranged/Melee Survival hunter

like holy shit

[dense plover]

its also a question of what they add next week - its likely we will get at least 1 more class

probably 2

[cunning fossil]

I do genuinely hope other classes get it as well but still

[dense plover]

since everything needs to be playable by week 6

[cunning fossil]

Well I don't know about that PEach. I have a feeling that they may eventually stop major testing once they feel as if a class is "done" with tree adjustments.

LIke who knows, maybe they're burning through the hunter stuff right now, so that they can confidently disable hunter and put mage in its place

keeping testing focused on the classes they still think need major improvemenmts

OFCOURSE this is speculation because me dumb but still

[dense plover]

i mean - you can currently play unadjusted classes

i dont expect any classes to get disabled

[cunning fossil]

oh yeah sorry. I am just dumb.

[dense plover]

feel like that followup from blizz they just posted wasnt neccesary

survival is the melee spec

[cunning fossil]

I just wonder how they will keep testinf focused if they open up everyone's classes too quickly

[dense plover]

if you want to play ranged, play the other 2 specs

[cunning fossil]

some people are that desperate Peach.

but the talent is still freaking awesome if you wanna meme or if you want to have a unique niche against other ranged specs

melee*

Explosive Ricochet renamed to Salvo, and design adjusted. Multi-Shot now also shoots Explosive Shot at up to 2 targets hit. This can only occur once every 45 sec.

this also sort of fixes the 2 target cleave issue for MM

at least on longer fights. which hopefully makes people hush alittle

[pulsar minnow]

You don’t mean to tell me there’s potential for unique and new niche builds in talent trees??? This isn’t the same WoW is it?

[cunning fossil]

Time will tell that but it seems to be an attempt at a new norm

[upper pasture]

i mean that will also depend on the community too if they don't latch onto the best spec and only accept those top performers and let people play whatever they want to as long as they perform

[cunning fossil]

also fair. Can't fix the community midnset

[pulsar minnow]

It still opens potential for some really cool variety in raid comps though. Even in the 1% highest performers. For example, just using the class I’ve followed the closest, you can have the Red focused Evokers and blue focused Evokers doing separate mechanics on a boss

These talent trees essentially accomplish what they were trying to do with Covenants

[cunning fossil]

oh yeah Red Blue and Hybrid builds for evokers. pretty nice stuff

[cunning fossil]

but in a non parasitic way

as well as flexible and it'll be in the game for as long as they don't perform a massive Talent overhaul

which won't be fore another 6-8 years maybe

[uncut vault]

probably because he finally left trueshot lodge

and can make changes without being berated by hunter players now lol

[cunning fossil]

Wait, you mean the Hunter Discord?

LMAO I knew that place wa s abit toxic but god damn

well not a bit but yeah

[uncut vault]

@dense plover best change of the alpha

its finally a feedback button and not "Im confused"

[dense plover]

FUCK

FINALLY

thats what ive always used it for

[uncut vault]

Me too lol

[dense plover]

IE "why is this thing this way? it doesnt make sense"

"shouldnt it be this?"

now you can complain about the weird timeskip stuff

[subtle oar]

@cunning fossil https://twitter.com/Wowhead/status/1550595643223179264

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead)

In a follow up post on the Hunter Talent Tree, Blizzard clarifies that there is no plan for a ranged Survival Hunter spec on the Dragonflight Talent Tree using upcoming talents.

#Dragonflight #Warcraft

https://t.co/uU0h7pJPjx

Twitter · Jul 22, 2022, 9:36 PM

[plain violet]

Yeah it can be.. really.. :/

[cunning fossil]

i was there I believe during BFA prepatch and holy shit they are some pretentious ashats

[cunning fossil]

Oh I'm aware they weren't making it Ranged, but I like that ranger talent beign there to prvide a niche for SUrvival

[plain violet]

I was here too and yeah... I was used to being mocked or questions not being answered, or people being trashed...

Me too. That's a nice fantasy.

[livid walrus]

@uncut vault did you try pet battle yet?

[uncut vault]

I haven't no

Im not very proficient or into them much haha

[livid walrus]

I sugget to try once to see the effect on the new ui.

When you done the battle.

[livid walrus]

Lol. Plus there is special bug report button when you enter pet battle

[pulsar minnow]

Delete this

This is so cursed

Any players who choose to create bald Dracthyr should have their Evoker immediately deleted upon character creation

[spark crag]

This looks like Voldemort with glued-on eyebrows

[rain cave]

Make salazzle

[dense plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721360796877324338/1000172365696745562/livingworld.mov

this is what the living world stuff was for btw

doodads that interact with your movement

[glad niche]

nice, i love that sport of stuff

sort*

[dense plover]

well its new and its different than the kind of stuff before because it isnt reacting in the same type of way, and i belive these are technically spell effects or particles instead of mobs

its neat

[glad niche]

Its the kind of live world stuff you see in genshin

run through some pigeons and they fly off

little touches that help with immersion

[dense plover]

yep

[cunning fossil]

i can't help but focus on the ancil

it's smiling

[spark crag]

didn't those crows exist in the worgen intro zone already? or am I misremembering? it's been a while

[cunning fossil]

But seriously that living world touchis so nice

[cunning fossil]

they do exist but they don't move

[dense plover]

^this

they dont react

some of the stuff can be hardcoded or written for a mob

but these arent mobs

theyre not targetable

[spark crag]

I remember them flying away though. or were those critters?

[dense plover]

they would be either critters or full animals

which is much harder to use and they dont fly back

they have to respawn

and it cant be clientside

[spark crag]

ah I see

so they can plopp it down as environment now, instead of having to stick every crow in place by hand as critter/npc? that's a good change

[glad niche]

@proper crystal Its coming along, theres actual skin textures and the customization tabs are there

Im not clicken on em tho, i doubt it would but i dont wanna risk being an outside source of borkin shit up

[pulsar minnow]

Been messing with the Dressing Room. I absolutely love the Dracthyr. I don't think body types or body spikes are implemented yet, but this is amazing

[uncut lintel]

I LOST

[glad niche]

?

What ya lose?

[pulsar minnow]

The armor options are pretty cool too. It allows for a lot of mixing and matching to sort of go into all different armor types for the dragon form. There's even caster/robe sleeves

[glad niche]

I'm hoping the dressing room magically is at full steam tomorrow, but I won't be mad if it's still being hammered

[dense plover]

how do i access this?

[pulsar minnow]

Click the beta tab on the site and then go to dressing room

Dracthyr will be there just remove player armor

Visage form isn't in from what I can tell

[glad niche]

Note that it's not complete yet

[pulsar minnow]

This looks kinda cool

One thing worth noting is a lot of the armor sets or pieces of the set have alternate appearances

This helmet for instance

[uncut vault]

all of them do, there's an armor 1 and armor 2 option

that changes the textures of helmets, chestpieces, and waist armor/wraps

[pulsar minnow]

Ah. I wasn’t sure how many pieces the alternate styles apply to

I noticed the waist but I wasn’t sure if it was just that waistband or if all of them had that

If there’s one thing I am to critique, I wish there was an option for a slightly shorter neck for the Dracthyr but I’m probably not on Body Type 4 in the Dressing room so maybe it’s not needed. Also, I wish there were arcane tattoos so I can be closer to Kalecgos’ new model but it’s not a big deal

[tulip sun]

@uncut vault Is it possible to get screens of the Hordeside crew on the gunship? 😮

[uncut vault]

Which ones do you mean?

[tulip sun]

The ones on the gunship- the counterparts to the Alliance's on the Kul'tiran ship

Going to the isles

[uncut vault]

no yes I mean like, which ones there, just the generics or the people with dialogue?

[tulip sun]

People with dialogue primarily. (Though I guess it would be cool to know who the generics consist of)

[uncut vault]

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/status/1550546804294307840?s=20&t=nwwV3jtnYhr5hLLzSIwNmQ

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

Lots of NPC dialogue on both ships

Twitter · Jul 22, 2022, 6:22 PM

thread of it starting here

[tulip sun]

How did I miss that? I regularly check your tweets

Thanks lol

[uncut vault]

https://i.gyazo.com/fe6179c793f53c38d834bbb1bf872cda.mp4

dragonriding doesnt react well to water

[pulsar minnow]

I don’t know if this would be hard to add but I sort of hope that with Dragonriding we could sort of “skip” on the water?

Go in and then resurface with just a little bit of speed lost. It doesn’t really serve a practical use it’d just look cool

[proper palm]

@uncut vault Can you try to see both faction airship in northendre, just to confirm upgrade models for 2 faction

[uncut vault]

the northrend ones are still the old ones

but both factions do have new models

[proper palm]

😭

Blizzard : give all for the horde and re used boat for Alliance

To hard to make airship with light draenei Tp like the vindicaar 🥲

I realy hope Blizzard change the boat to gunship for the Alliance raaah

[subtle oar]

[dense plover]

now THAT is a good bug report

i wouldnt have even thought of that

[proper crystal]

Thank you so much for tagging me 🥹

[plain violet]

Oh, Dracthyr is disabled. :(

[livid walrus]

as DK

[proper crystal]

You have to be on the beta version of the page

[plain violet]

Yeah, strangely for two hours, even on the beta version, nothing could be seen. :(

[proper crystal]

odd :0 seems to be back at the moment, at least

[plain violet]

At least, yes! I am currently playing with. :)

[languid yoke]

OH dressing room works now? 👀

[upper pasture]

“Works” it’s a little buggy but you can fiddle with it

[glad niche]

bits are missing but its a work in progress

[glad niche]

do pets work in alpha?

im guessing drakks doesnt show up on alpha

was curious if he still flies with you in dragonriding

[surreal socket]

this single target marksman hunter spec looks kinda fun but doesn't it look pretty cookie-cutter without much room to make choices? Seems like almost everything is locked in.
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/hunter/marksmanship/BNFJERgklCjUCQUCBQMRiiJBQUJRYhFBQ

you could take rapid fire instead of wind arrows and deathblow but one probably ends up with more DPS than the other and that's that

[plain violet]

Well, she is somewhat cute, but not a definitive look.

[rain cave]

Rafaam in wow

Wewwww

[proper crystal]

I intend to main a different Dracthyr, Im not planning on playing this character a ton--might hold off on making her for a while in case Dracthyr get to be warriors later or something--but man, this one looks cool.

[pulsar minnow]

I love how the Dracthyr essentially have 3 different skin tones you can mix and match

Still debating if I want to make my Dracthyr a Black or Blue Dragon. Leaning more on blue because of Devastation.

[proper crystal]

That's kind of why I don't intend to play much of my planned black one--I intend to play my bronze one primarily bc I want to play Preservation

[pulsar minnow]

I almost wish they would allow players to create character customization presets. There’s just so much going on with Dracthyr that you can almost get lost in all of it

[proper crystal]

Yeah, no kidding. There's the ability to save presets in the Barbershop--but I'm not sure if that's baseline or from an addon oops

[pulsar minnow]

Oh. I’ll have to check that out. Maybe I’ve never noticed it

[proper crystal]

It might be from the Narcissus addon 🤷

I hesitate to even say there's too many options, what a great problem to have 😂

I agree tho, it's a little overwhelming haha

[pulsar minnow]

I feel bad for recommending more 😅. The main things I want is the option to customize individual horn colors (like the jaw, ear, crest, and normal horns)

Would allow me to make my Dracthyr look more like Kalecgos

[proper crystal]

I'd love to be able to have horn jewelry colors that can match all of the armor colors, and the ability to mix and match gem/metal/leather colors of the armor. That would require a ton more textures, though, so i'm not surprised they haven't done that.

[pulsar minnow]

Even if there’s stuff I still would like them to add, I’m pretty much sold on the expansion from the Dracthyr Evokers alone and even if they left them as they are I wouldn’t be too mad

[upper pasture]

i 100% plan on using the hood option

[pulsar minnow]

It seems like a LOT of people love the hoods for Dracthyr

[proper crystal]

Oh yeah, the hoods are gorgeous

[upper pasture]

i know my preservation is going to be bronze but i haven't decided on my other one

[proper crystal]

I know exactly what my bronze's visage will look like, but still need to sort of the finer details regarding the actual dracthyr appearance

[glad niche]

Wow constantly disconnecting for anyone else or am i about to go bust a router?

[cunning fossil]

ICE SCREAM

[spark crag]

it's a narcissus feature

[proper crystal]

Ah, alright. Thanks!

[glad niche]

I love the base colors ive got goin so far on the dressing room

Almost giving me chromatic vibes

[median cape]

Tried my first Drac', the colour of the markings could be dark brown would be amazing but black was too much 😦

[coarse quail]

Looks dragonish 🙃
How much colors do they have🤔...

[median cape]

They have 15 colours

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dracthyr-customization-in-dragonflight-all-alpha-dragon-form-customizations-327677?webhook

[nocturne totem]

Hmm, I wish Blizz would change the mythic fated raid achievements to individual for each raid and not an all or nothing.

[coarse quail]

Thanks mate🙂

[rain cave]

I wonder if a further split will happen in the nelfs with a regrown world tree, if they do regrow the tree in the remnants of the last one or something

since I'd be down to see some like

literal ashy customisation options

if a subsect of them embrace the ashen tree, whilst the the others go on with renewal

there's already the faded orangey/red eyes for the 1 blinded eye options in customisation

could be cool if they extend that to both eyes

or give a warmer moon variation to their aesthetic

instead of the cold blue moon we usually see

the yellow,orangey warm moon

[glad niche]

I'd be rolling my eyes so hard at lore if the elves split off AGAIN. Specially cause we all know they'd make some new quarrels about it.

[rain cave]

it's more like more customisation options to relfect evolving culture

and becacuse the nelfs mirror the undead on horde side in this

[proper crystal]

I doubt theyd do that if only bc they went the "sun elf" route for belves

[rain cave]

undead getting new options would be nice too

like the lightforged looking ones

or straight back

[rain cave]

not saying sun elf more like the orange moon

warm moon

[proper crystal]

undead need corpse paint and more goth makeup 😭

[proper crystal]

ah, i see

i mean, im always down for more customization ✊

[rain cave]

like if ashenvale starts regrowing a ton BECAUSE the tree burnt down

and gave it nutrients

[glad niche]

What, orcs get unhunchy now you want zombies with good posture too?? (Jesting)

[rain cave]

they could be more about celebrating that cycle

well

because it's body types now I guess

[proper crystal]

and
undead druids

[rain cave]

they could add more body types to undead

like calia

but that's controverisal I guess

[glad niche]

Ye. Id enjoy seeing a bunch of body options across the board

[rain cave]

and yeah it would be cool to see the culture exchange between undead and night elves if that every happens and they forgive eachother

since the undead know a lot about substances through experimentation whereas the nelfs have a good connection to nature and know its quirks

[proper crystal]

i have a nelf decay/plague druid--i love that stuff so much ❤️ so hell yeah

[rain cave]

intellect vs wisdom type beat

but yeah the ashy warm moon elves could even be the avenue which they introduce paladins from

I think it would be cool if they showed culture changes in existing races that opened up new classes and customisation options

[glad niche]

I'm probably just too small brain to understand. But the alliance hating the entire horde (story wise) because of what sylvanas and her side piece did is a little bananas to me.

[rain cave]

instead of pidgeon holing them to the same kind of archetype allways

[rain cave]

because the horde went along with it

and people who obeyed her aren't punished

[proper crystal]

they really didn't, though. The entire Horde war campaign was about leading a coup against her

[rain cave]

unless you're a loyalist

like if you played horde you still burned down teldrassil

I mean the obvious analogy they're trying to do here is like german soldiers in WW2

[proper crystal]

The player had legitimately no part in the burning, they were there to take Darkshore, the burning wasa 100% a cutscene/npcs thing

[rain cave]

after WW2, even

the burning wouldn't have happened if the army hadn't taken darkshore

the attack was uprovoked

[glad niche]

I was very angry playing the early stuff where Saurfang almost killed malfurion. I didn't get to do anything. Attack OR defend. Just watched the dialogue roll as tyranda gets angry at me while Saurfang had the start of his conscious grow.

[rain cave]

like in the WW2 german army there was the higher ups, who were literally responsible for a lot of the direct things and they got tried. But the average army of grunts didn't get a mass trial I don't think, unless an excepetion ofc.

it's like that

people wanted the 'enemy' to be held responsible

[glad niche]

Given the ability to actually choose to do something, I'd have cat slapped the shit out of Saurfang. Instead I was forced to just watch and be blamed cause story >:v

[rain cave]

it's an argument you can agree with both sides on

you want these people to be held responsible but at the same time, they're kind of forced to go along with the whole thing and there are legitimately good people in that group who've just been swept up

this is coming from somebody who's had family on both sides of WW2 btw

[glad niche]

I ended up not playing BfA a long long while, because of the early stuff in it made me angry. XD

[rain cave]

I mean last time I stopped playing a game because of something like that was kingdom come deliverance I think

because I basically had to lie

and I didn't want to

so I uninstalled

star wars KOTOR does something similar where you have to pretend to be a sith and join their academy as a jedi

[proper crystal]

Literally the whole point was that we were supposedly going to pre-emptively stop a war before it began, the warcrimes-stuff wasn't part of the plan nor something the player character willingly took part in 🤷 tbh the whole argument makes me kind of sick bc the alliance is so systematically racist (and a lot of alliance members support the scarlet crusade) and the forsaken tend to be really queer-coded, so the whole thing is just
yikes

[rain cave]

the forsaken aren't queer coded lmao

[glad niche]

It wasn't even the whole "horde bad, alliance victim" part of it. It was the feeling of "Ive literally been forced into a role, in a game, that I did not agree to, bye 👋"

[rain cave]

also casual racism is allowed in fantasy don't forget 👍

xd

I jest

[glad niche]

I'ma cat slap em all. And when I'm Dracthyr, I'll lizard slap em

[rain cave]

but I don't see what you mean the undead are kind of far away from the people I'd look at as gay or whatever

their entire thing is just being kind of emo and dull

[glad niche]

Undead give me Asexual vibes a lot of the time. Specially that one group of them also in BfA.

Middle of a battlefield trying not to die, bickering over the flower garden back home.

[rain cave]

I don't think trying to read an entire race as 'gay standin' is really going to get any good interpretation imo

[glad niche]

Love those guys

[proper crystal]

They didn't choose to be this, many view it as a curse while others take pride in their identity, but many are detested from their families and even hunted by religious zealots simply for existing. The culture is themed after goth and punk culture, which is deeply connected with the queer community, and so forth

Lillian Voss's story was totally a trans allegory :/

[rain cave]

I wouldn't say goth are really connected to that

punk sure

but I think you're reading too much into it

because this is all fantasy written a while ago

not to mention its original inspiration from a story such as metamorphosis

or even shakespeare

[proper crystal]

Queer people didn't just start existing in the last ten years lmao

[rain cave]

but not every transformation and ramification story has to be about them.

it can apply to them

which is fine

but this is a general lesson, not one that has to be eskewed into that and only that

stories about transformation and rejection are probably as old as time

it applies more to the human capacity to reject unexpected change, and disliking difference unjustly

it's a very wide story application, and sure it can apply to what you say it does

[proper crystal]

I didn't say the Forsaken are defacto a stand-in for LGBTQ+ people; I said that they are often queer-coded. The Scarlet propaganda in BFA was directly referencing MAGA/QANON conspiracy theories lmao

[rain cave]

but it also applies to say, disability, personality change, bettering ones self while others stay in the past, immigration, new generations, new culture/ old culture being irrelevant

and many more

[glad niche]

Is the lightforged undead lady kinda like a one off character? Or has there been story to lead into the idea others like her exist?

[rain cave]

her story in 9.2.5 reveals that undead/necromancy doesn't have to be from death magic

it's just being animated by a certain energy

[proper crystal]

Calia is the first and (for now) only light-forged undead, but shes existed in lore for a long time

[rain cave]

so mortals are animated by anima, which is probably a combination of life and a smidge of death perhaps

[proper crystal]

As a living person, that is.

[rain cave]

whereas the scourge are animated by domination/death magic

but calia isn't technically the first light wielding undead

there's one of the four horsemen who still wields light even as a scourge member

alonsus faol the gigachad himself

[proper crystal]

Alonsus was the big example I was thinking of, haha

[glad niche]

yeah, I did the return to Lorderan quest on my main drood and enjoyed that story. Morso I was wondering on the "do we have any indication other lightdead exist?"

[rain cave]

you could argue that lightforging in general could be revealed to be it

illidan didn't want to be lightforged, implying it will "kill" his current self

I think the prime naaru says he'll be reborn

even

[glad niche]

Ive not done alliance story enough to learn lightforged goat story, I can never stomach the majority of characters (or stormwind chatter) long enough

Loved that cutscene, hated that naaru

[rain cave]

illidan is big baller

but yeah look at what lightforging did to he ddraenei anyway

[glad niche]

We rez'd his grumpy ass just for him to yeet off into space.

[rain cave]

same as calia

gold eyes, pale skin

[ionic terrace]

t'paartos

[proper crystal]

T'paartos is great!

[glad niche]

Oh, so, whats the deal with the lightforged lookin demon fella?

I dont know his name or anything, otherwise id read a wiki

[rain cave]

lothraxion?

most likely a double agent

[glad niche]

look like the one

readin em up now

Considering that sus disappearance at the end of legion, yeah

[deep pawn]

did he disappear or just not plot relevant?

[upper pasture]

those pvp weapons look good i don't like the spine swords tho

[deep pawn]

Like he's probably being saved for the inevitable Army of Light return

Same with Anduin on his soulsearching.

[dense plover]

yo those pvp weapons are BRUTAL

i love them

those might be the coolest glaives we have ever gotten

i dont pvp - this sucks

[cunning fossil]

Oof

[deep pawn]

they're reusing artifact models

the hammer in particular is reskinned Doomhammer

[cerulean lava]

It would be really cool for someone on Alpha to test the Dungeon Stockade with the new Gnoll models

[upper pasture]

i mean, you could prolly say that about almost any boardline simple skin is a reskin of something sorta so basic

its a hammer, so it must be a reskin of a hammer.

[glad niche]

Was gonna say, Looking up the doomhammer models, it shares nothing visually apart from being a hammer.

[deep pawn]

a few just feel like they took the same weapon skeleton, the fang dagger, the gun

[dense plover]

weapons dont really have skeletons though

since they dont actually impact

they have a grip point and some scale stuff

but thats about it

theyre just models

its not like mounts where they share skeletons b/c animations

the animations are independent of the weapon mostly

excusing bows and guns since those animations are specific to that type of weapon

its just a small hammer with a wide head

its moreso that artifact weapons made doomhammer rather non-unique

since it used to be the only hammer type weapon with that shape

[proper crystal]

“. . .[T]he naaru and their keepers are singular in purpose. . .They savor nothing more than being proved right, so if they believe they have converted one of us to their precious Light, they will trust that agent implicitly.”

[glad niche]

sus

[languid yoke]

I'm gonna spend too much time in the dressing room with dracthyr added now oh no

[dense plover]

its honestly a shame lothraxion didnt show up in revendreth or something

[uncut vault]

he did get a brief alluding to in the infiltration book, but I'd say he's probably busy pretending to not be an evil dreadlord anymore

[deep pawn]

I mean what better use could he do for Denathrius then help alternate timeline Xe'ra convince Y'rel to come smash us all.

[dense plover]

you do know the alt timeline isnt an entire universe right?

its just draenor

its a bubble

and i dont think the dreadlords can access it without the hourglass

[deep pawn]

We know there's Naaru there and one is implied to be "Divine Mother" or something similar.

[dense plover]

yes but i dont think we can go back anymore - the maghar scenario sorta covered it

[deep pawn]

I don't think we're going back at all, it'll just be a full on invasion

[dense plover]

i dont think they can come through

also its only whatever draenei are on draenor

which i dont think would be hard for the entirety of azeroth to handle

[deep pawn]

And the orcs.

[dense plover]

the alliance and horde armies vastly outnumber them

[deep pawn]

And it's future plot, the writers could do whatever they want to create a larger Army of Light, plus a likely Turalyon betrayal.

[dense plover]

i mean hell, we even have our universe's draenei and lightforged and orcs and the other orcs

[dense plover]

i COULD see that

paranoid turalyon opening the portal via an infinite dragon helping in disguise

but bare minimum, bronze/infinite flight would need to be involved

[deep pawn]

They wouldn't have done the whole "beings of the other forces don't truly die" if not to leave Xe'ra revenge as a plot hook.

[dense plover]

btw, we still never had the boy kind prophecy thing happen right?

unless it was about anduin in shadowlands?

but the lies never happened

so what are the chances thats about wrathion taking over for neltharion?

just a thought ive had

b/c this one is almost def turalyon right? "The crown of light will bring only darkness"

[deep pawn]

I just feel like they wouldn't have taken all that effort to make Y'rel go full Zealot Totalitarian if it wasn't going to be used as a way to make us fight the light later.

and just pad out the raid a little.

Y'rel, breaking Turalyon free, end with Xe'ra.

[austere gazelle]

One of the lies happened - supposedly - Ogmot said so " The first lie has been told "

But I'm pretty sure Anduin is going in Zeratul mode. He will uncover the " big " threat behind everything and some prophecies and whatever. He'll be the one who will try to unite all the cosmos forces

[uncut vault]

Well, you assume they’ll come over and be enemies

[rain cave]

Maybe the lies was him lying to himself

[uncut vault]

When one faction is led by a very pro-Light draeneiboo atm lol

[rain cave]

Since he's second guessing his pure nature

[uncut vault]

I’m expecting them to do a bit of s pseudo-Secret Wars story via murozond, bring in the AU Draenor characters and close off that alternate timeline so that it’s all happening on our Azeroth in our reality from here on

[tulip sun]

Also orcish converts

And there were other maghar camps- like Draka's.

[dense plover]

yeah thats still not enough

a lot of people also died

[rain cave]

Idk if they'll acknowledge the alternative timeline because WoD stigma

[tulip sun]

We don't know the status of the other races too

[dense plover]

we have two factions that have a bunch of additional races added

draenor is not populated enough to win

[rain cave]

They'll bring back yrel and xera sure

[tulip sun]

I'm just saying there's more at play.

Not that population ever matters

[rain cave]

But xera can be our xera across time lines

[uncut vault]

If they leave behind the arakkoa I’m gonna be so sad

[rain cave]

Like the Leon
Legion

Playable arrKoa plzzzz

[dense plover]

even if every living thing on draenor invaded, azeroth has people from alt draenor, outland, all of the azerothian races, the lightforged draenei, potentially help from the shadowlands, and im sure there are others

not to mention the elementals, dragons, and titan keepers

theres no chance of them being dangerous

especially because again, alt-draenor is a bubble

its not an entire alt universe

[tulip sun]

Your also considering factors that the devs usually don't.

[dense plover]

or ya know, theyre not considering it because as is, it isnt a threat

as an additional force for a war of light started in our universe? sure

as the main force? no

i really dont think theyre going to go cosmic again immediately after DF considering how poorly SLs went

if anything, i think they might go the pandaria route of a totally new place with totally new enemies and new lore

[sullen dawn]

I'd honestly like to see 2 more expansions after DF that aren't cosmic

It's ok to have cosmic stuff in final patch as long as grounded in azeroth stuff

Just no more weird pocket domains for a while please. At least as whole expansions

[short prism]

I’m personally hoping that after DF we get a world revamp focused on old places in Azeroth that need to be updated

imo tho I hope we DO go into the cosmic again someday, hopefully

[sullen dawn]

Agree we just need a break

Cosmic after cosmic kinda makes all threats seem meaningless

[short prism]

agree

[sullen dawn]

And they get into anime power creep jssues

Honestly for all bfas progression faults the theme was damn cool

Kinda jumped the shark around eternal palace but up until then it was the best storytelling they've done imo

Yeh nzoth breaking free is when it lost its quality I feel

[short prism]

It just felt to me like

“Oh we’re doing this now huh”

like the speed of build up ramped too quickly, like we were missing a patch between eternal palace and 8.3

<<

[uncut vault]

sadly theyve basically said that cosmic still is their goal, they just knew people would need a break from it after shadowlands

there hasn't really been much public introspection on the huge failings of shadowlands and BfA on their parts, other than "hey maybe we could have delivered it a bit better" for BfA

[short prism]

I think the cosmic stuff can be really cool!! They just need to like, really really pull it off. It can’t be underwhelming or under-delivered, so to say

I really hope we don’t go back to back at any point though

[uncut vault]

Well it mainly just needs to be built up to

Legion was built up to over decades of story

Shadowlands got like 3 characters in BfA to set it up, and a random twist at th end of the war campaign that made no sense

[short prism]

My personal ideal for expansion theme cycle would be: down-to-Azeroth (so to say), build up expansion, delve into cosmic a bit, reel it back to down to earth

[short prism]

BIG big agree

The feeling of lack of build up for these MAJOR world lore components makes me very sad

[ember blaze]

also, what became of azerite? 🤔

and our necks

isnt it god tier power we're just gonna forget exists?

[short prism]

didnt our necks lose power when we "defeated" nzoth at the end of Nya?

we also closed all of azeroth's open wounds so there isnt any of the blood around afaik

but i believe we have nowhere seen the end of stuff like Azerite since it plays directly into the untapped power of Azeroth, the seventh force, and whatever the hell it is

[ember blaze]

i thought we used that to channel some beam from where mother was

like as a portal

[uncut lintel]

yet when u fly in bfa zones u still get blue stone daddy yelling at u

[ember blaze]

and we couldnt use our necks "because it cant reach us in the shadowlands" or something

cause it was tied to azeroth

[uncut lintel]

wesh

[deep pawn]

They'll probably make us spend our hearts in the prepatch

Or since they're basically new dragon souls, they get used for bad reasons by the primalists

Imagine how much it'd suck if our own hearts are why an aspect goes bad.

[upper pasture]

or since the power surge during the jailers attempt to steal azeroths power they've become permanently deactivated

[deep pawn]

I like my idea of them being dragon souls they get stolen

[upper pasture]

i highly doubt they are going to try and shoehorn in a mechanic from 2 expansions ago into something that was so closely tied to grinding for hours to make it better

[deep pawn]

Would it be shoehorning? We're talking about a power Titanic artifact infused with power of all flights

[upper pasture]

it also raises the point they aren't going to make you go back and get the heart for alts made after BfA or for evokers

[deep pawn]

I'm not saying we use it, it's just taken from us

[upper pasture]

but that implies that you'd to have one in the first place

people post BfA would have no clue what the necklace even is

[deep pawn]

Better than to ignore the fact it exists. It as a massive plot point of all the flights and all current aspects besides Nozdormu

[upper pasture]

eh, agree to disagree on that one.

[deep pawn]

They could handwave it by saying Magni has it or something

[upper pasture]

at that point why not just make it be the dragon soul? what even happened to that at the end of well....dragon soul raid

[deep pawn]

It returned to it's proper point in the timeline

We only borrowed that from the past

The flights were hesitant to empower the hearts for that reason

Last time they did something like that it could control them

[upper pasture]

i didn't even realize they empowered the hearts /shrug

[dense plover]

i love the leatherworking tool

[upper pasture]

You know what I’d love to see, some pet battler transmog stuff too

Highly unlikely but make it some transmog stuff purchasable after you have completed XYZ achievements with tokens

[dense plover]

they would need to make pet battles more engaging first

theyre pretty clear cut

[upper pasture]

I don’t think anyone would be upset about that

[deep pawn]

It was a huge part of the BFA story and why Wrathion showed up

At least we're back to Blizzard stealing things from other games

Dragon riding from that one MMO

The profession equipment looks a lot like ff14s.

[ember blaze]

🤔

[cunning fossil]

Hmm

[dense plover]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1547701942867992576?s=20&t=oN-8Dmc73enaq5c5hzQSkg theres a whole thread here, but thought this new skinning animation is so much better than what we have

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one of the new animations is a skinning animation

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there was apparently some concept art in the files - this might be related to that storm elf model we found before

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1547996965752827904?s=20&t=oN-8Dmc73enaq5c5hzQSkg dont think ive seen this model before

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purple crystal dragon

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its wild

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1548022319448084480?s=20&t=oN-8Dmc73enaq5c5hzQSkg this is a different infinite dragon model - the horns match up with nozdormu, this may be murozond

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nothing to worry about, nothing to see here

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@uncut vault

comparison model to new nozdormu https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1548027885373468672?s=20&t=oN-8Dmc73enaq5c5hzQSkg

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nozdormu model update

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Twitter · Jul 15, 2022, 7:33 PM

might not be - could be a different infinite dragon, but its not deimos

he has a different model

[uncut vault]

its missing his jowl beard is the main thing

• nozdormu's new model has unique chest scales that one doesnt

none of the other dragon models have those massive scales like him

[dense plover]

hmmm thats a good point

guess it just means we have more than 1 infinite dragon to look forward to

btw gnolls have shaman totems (all 4 elements)

im now onboard the AR train

[uncut vault]

oh nice, I only saw the decay one

[dense plover]

3/4 technically

but they have a unique totem model

which is usually an indicator for that kind of thing unless we are dealing with gnolls all expac

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1548311922457489409?s=20&t=oN-8Dmc73enaq5c5hzQSkg murloc chungus is in the files and not encrypted

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stronk murloc (the guy that shows up on that one mount bundle too but without the saddle 👀)

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Twitter · Jul 16, 2022, 2:21 PM

also note the lack of saddle

so this may be a regular enemy

btw it looks like the new kirin horse will potentially be a customizable mount? idk how that works since they wont have wings for dragonriding but whatever i guess

centaurs also have some totems

theres also a wyvern dragon type body

probably the fox wyvern thing as a base dragon body but who knows

paladin librams - they might finally be doing something with that idea they had. Bare minimum they might make paladin spells match your race?

[subtle oar]

What about noodle bodies?

[dense plover]

i linked one of those a few days ago

theres a LONG dragon

it has legs tho

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1548467655253692423?s=20&t=oN-8Dmc73enaq5c5hzQSkg hadnt seen this one before - its the craziest thing ive seen so far

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la creatura (mole guy?)

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MOLE PEOPLE

[ember blaze]

is that what they used to use in classic?

[dense plover]

dont think so

[subtle oar]

I cant seem to find it

Is it kinda like a cloud serpent?

[dense plover]

No

It’s like a Quetzalcoatl

It’s weird

Btw, according to that thread, tuskarr, djaradin, and centaur use player UVs which is related to character customization stuff

Interestingly, gnolls do not

[deep pawn]

Senegos has a troll visage? Cool. Could just be who he dealt with the most. He's almost as old as the aspects isn't he?

[dense plover]

He is the oldest non aspect

So maybe he identified with the oldest azerothian race

[deep pawn]

Or his purview was the troll arcane users

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[deep pawn]

How many characters do you think Lorewalker Cho's VA will do this expansion

[tulip sun]

Does he usually do a lot?

[subtle oar]

:< There goes my hopes of a Build my own noddle boi

[dense plover]

this

ignore the weirdness - it has some overlapping customizations

[subtle oar]

[short prism]

Not to mention, I’m pretty sure they also have the sleep up and sleep down animations! Which are also allied race bait iirc

[sullen dawn]

Mostly this. Second half was rushed

[sullen dawn]

Yeh but that's just cos he's a junkie

[crimson jasper]

good to see them using the dragon soul model again tho

[dense plover]

?

[crimson jasper]

or whatever iot's called

the golden drragon model thrall shot out of the dragon soul

ah there

https://eu.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/world-of-warcraft-mount-heart-of-the-aspects?p=358

this thing

looks like the same model no?

[cunning fossil]

Same Skeleton ye

[dense plover]

pretty sure thats a cloud serpent model modified

and i think this MIGHT use the same skeleton but its hard to say

idk what the mount special is

thats usually the determinant

[rain cave]

Heart of the aspects isn't same skeleton as cloud sirens
Serpent

Cloud serpents coil as the fly

Like a corkscrew

Heart of the aspect just wriggles like a sine wave

[dense plover]

Oh then I guess it probably is that

[plain violet]

Beautiful. Remind me of the "Emerald Serpent" model from Ohn'aran plains.

[languid yoke]

bronze noodle

[plain violet]

Nice one. :)

[glad niche]

hm, forarms and eyes still dont work on my end

[plain violet]

Wings works, but forearms not, however I can use eyes.

Still, it's a matter of time.. :)

[glad niche]

Wings also dont show more then one color on my end

and yeah

[uncut lintel]

NEEEED

[languid yoke]

try to clear cache or use another browser/incognito

[trail knot]

you

vs the guy she tells you not to worry about

[glad niche]

cache worked

[plain violet]

You're tiresome Axel, please stop.

[languid yoke]

body type 4 is excellent enough already

and I say that as someone who loves the most chonky of spyro reignited dragons (Magnus uwu)

[plain violet]

For a chonky, sure he is...

But yes. And people need to remember mass =/= strenght. Muscles is not just to be larger.

[uncut lintel]

axel so gay for thicc dragon

[plain violet]

In denial.

[glad niche]

hmm, bf cleared the cache and they wont load at all for him now D:

Only dracthyr in the beta, everything else workin

[languid yoke]

yeah I have that issue as well, idk what to do about it so I went with incognito instead

a bit annoying but if you save the link somewhere you basically save the customizations

[glad niche]

ye

[rain cave]

the raid weapon 1h swords look like xalatath

which is interesting

[plain violet]

Titatic heritage, maybe..

[plain violet]

Same, do not worry.

Must mean they are tweaking with it.

[glad niche]

ye

[harsh mason]

This is too much, How should it fly at all with such a mass?

[glad niche]

those desperate for chadzard will come up with a reason. Example : iTs FaNtAsY bRo nO OnE cArEs aBoUt pHySiCs

[plain violet]

You don't even need to be a big bird to break some bones.

I look at you, goose and harpy...

[rain cave]

How did deathwing fly

How do cloudserpents fly

[plain violet]

The size of the wings of Deathwing. Cloudserpents are based on dragon serpents. :/

[rain cave]

The draconid in the image can fly by that logic then

The wings look big enough

In terms of other dragons wing sizes

[rich elm]

I just think the buff dracthyr edit looks disgusting

Every time I’m forced to see it I just 🤢

Whoever said women like that? Has never actually spoken to women before lmao

Newsflash! We hate that body type

[upper pasture]

i mean, each person is different so generalizing such a statement would be wrong.

[rich elm]

I guess so, but I’ve listened to locker room talk with others, you’d be surprised at how many really don’t like extremely buff dudes

We’d date the fat dudes or the lanky dudes before we consider a guy who looks like he hits the gym every hour, cuz too much muscle is gross lol

[upper pasture]

yes but saying that everyone hates it is wrong, there are people out that that i'd never be romantically involved with that's you might find super attractive. its all personal opinion

[rich elm]

Ehh whatever

[upper pasture]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rich elm]

I’m not arguing my own experience with anyone online lol

Point is, the edit is still nasty

[upper pasture]

but that's just it it's your own personal experience over a whole population of people. there's nothing wrong with having an opinion on something

[languid yoke]

it's nice to look at in-game (if done properly, the edit isn't really), but nothing for me irl

[rich elm]

I feel like body type 4 is enough, if they can get bigger then that’s fine

But people really want huge edits like a shorter neck and wide shoulders and I feel that would make it so weird looking

[glad niche]

Do not lump me in with your ideals.

I like the 4 bodies weve been given and recognize and appreciate the effort in even giving us a 4th option. Also that its not bigger becuase the teams that did the armors would have had to edit them further. The Added 4th option bulked up the body without having to edit the armors too

[rain cave]

and what makes you think it's only a thing that guys think women want?

and the edit is a simple bad photoshop to communicate the idea

look at the big buff draconid models in dragonfight alpha

those are more in line with an actual art complete version of that body type

and it looks pretty baller

and if you want to say no it's nasty then that's just your personal taste, you shouldn't be trying to spin that as fact

[rich elm]

Can y’all turn off the @ when replying to me please, you both paused my videos with the pings 💀

[rain cave]

as I am seeing

I didn't pause your video

[rich elm]

I was watching something

[rain cave]

you paused it to check your pings

if you don't want notifications turn it off

that's your issue not mine

[rich elm]

No, my phone pauses when motifs pop up actually

[rain cave]

then change that

why are you getting notifications from this discord anyway

[rich elm]

I can’t it’s a bug on my device

[rain cave]

you can

this menu right here pal

[rich elm]

… what part of “ it’s a bug” did you not understand

[rain cave]

alternatively, do not disturb is a good option

[rich elm]

Anyways, I’ve and many others on social media expressed my opinions already on the body types. I feel like we do this annoying song and dance anytime it’s brought up

Like I wish people were happy with what they got

[rain cave]

those many others are also people saying the dracthyr should have buffer options

which they listened to

and gave them a beefier option, even if some wish it was a little more

[rich elm]

Ngl I feel like body type 4 has always been there

[rain cave]

well we don't know that for sure do we

[rich elm]

Like the devs even said it was already an option from the beginning

[rain cave]

the PR spin is that people actually got a hold of dracthyr customisation and it was better than they thought

and worries were mostly gone

even if some want an option 5 for even bigger

but yeah if you don't like muscle aesthetics then you don't like a lot of WoW

[glad niche]

Id love Draenei dudes if they had longer tails and weren't alliance xD

[rain cave]

orcs, humans, draenei, tauren, dragons, dwarves, zandalari, kultirans..

[rich elm]

I don’t like a lot of mmos cuz they all have that, which makes me sad that I really can only stand playing female characters

[rain cave]

implying that female characters can't be muscly 😳

or bulky I should say

[rich elm]

I love dragons, I’m only really ever playing because of the dragons lol

[rain cave]

the dragons are EXTREMELY buff/bulky

have you seen their arms?

[rich elm]

Okay let me explain something, buff bulky humanoid men are ugly to me

Buff woman? When not looking too gross? Are fine

[rain cave]

which is fine.

[rich elm]

Dragons? Skinny or fat or buff are fine

[rain cave]

just no reason to keep coming in here and talking about stuff you don't like if it's a purely preference thing without any constructive additions innit

and kind of stating it

[rich elm]

This is my first time even mentioning it here lmao

[rain cave]

well we've had it before and it's a big annoying

[rich elm]

But my bad I’ll just shut up and let y’all have your fun

[rain cave]

just for your reference

no you can talk

there are people in here who enjoy the dracthyr

@uncut lintel for example

and some others

[rich elm]

I love the dracthyr

I’m just

So tired of people calling the dracthyr “gay furry shit”

Or calling them drag queens

[rain cave]

so lets just enjoy what we have, and give feedback on it, instead of trying to get mad over stuff that doesn't even exist

[rich elm]

Or any other name just because they don’t look to standards

[rain cave]

they aren't drag queens because I actually like the dracthyr

kek

and like, there is a bit of scaley/furry in the dracthyr you gotta admit.

but it isn't JUST that

[rich elm]

I fell in love with them and will fight people if they keep up the dracthyr hate

[glad niche]

I wouldn't pick charzard myself, but I also wouldn't demand others not have the option. If its added someday, more power to those that wanna play it. For any race.

Also yeah, the blanket "thats disgusting, if you think women like it you've never talked to one" stuff. That's just hateful. and generalization, AND extremally presumptuous on your end.

[rain cave]

we should just get more body options period, skinny orcs, buff undead

if we want to open up this conversation

even if races are kind of meant to be the body type selection originally

but I'd still like to see more

[glad niche]

I wouldnt hate the skinny Kul tiran model. For a few reasons. One being the very contrasting body option. But two it would give alliance an "undead" stand in. Seeing as the skinny dudes are just undead skelly with fresh skins

[rain cave]

there's too many nelf's running around with pale skin red eyes and an edgy swept ahricut

[rich elm]

Sorry then, I grew up talking like this because it is actually part of my culture (puertorican) we make generalizations and blanket statements like this because it’s just easier to communicate like that, plus language barrier

Nuance is harder to communicate and often times cannot be proven easily so we just go with a statement

[glad niche]

I appreciate your apology. As someone dating a built guy. I felt rather burnt by the lump statement.

back to PTR stuff tho. I do love the color options on the dracthyr. Even more muted colors can look rather good.

[rich elm]

My culture also has very negative connotations with buff people so it doesn’t help in this case either, I should try to be open but when it’s built into you you can’t really help it

[livid walrus]

terran found new place

[rich elm]

Nice seat

[harsh mason]

Have you seen Deathwing's wings? And besides, he is thin by himself (look at his torso). He's fit

remove all the metal plates and straighten him out: he is extremely thin

and all dragons are thin, otherwise they wouldn't fly

[glad niche]

I feel like my only complaint, playing in the dressing room

with all the mix and match we can do in the dracthyr armor

low key wishing we had an optional tail bangle between the two customizable bits

like a single bangle with a stone that matches the horn jewelry or armor would fill it out

it also might overpower tho depending on chosen color options

so Id probably be equally "meh" with the option as i am without it, lmao

Also on the thin or not thing, we can argue with the hollow bone theory too.

In the end its a fantasy game and if they devs eventually want a thicc option for dracthyr, they will add it. And it wont hurt anyone in the process apart from their delicate sensibilities about it which are their own problem and no one else's.

[dense plover]

at this point theyre not going to add another body option

they would have to remodel all of the customization armor to fit

and theres no way thats happening at this point

so inspired by that new article about the 10.1 datamining

and the fact that they probably wont do a 2nd dragon raid right after the first

i imagine we are probably looking at some underground/titan/old god stuff

this image clearly wasnt used for any of the DF continent inspiration

but what if its buried underground?

especially with those mole people that were datamined, i think the underground thing is a lock

[livid walrus]

maybe something we been hinted at in the tomb of sargeras

[plain violet]

A world under, with a false sky because too high.. 😁

[dense plover]

actually

i think it would be pretty neat to have it be connected

so then you can dragonride down into and out of it

[novel dagger]

good lord are we going to get another unnecessarily complicated fight like n'zoth

[dense plover]

i want HTTYD hidden world

but azeroth

big pit in ocean

giant world in cave beneath it

https://youtu.be/KOWopLZOlfk context for anyone who somehow managed to not watch 3 wonderful fantastic movies

and the advantage of it being a max level zone means they can do all sorta of crazy shit with height and altitude since its guaranteed you will have a certain level of dragon riding

[crystal pond]

I hope underground zone for DragonFlight will be a combination of Deepholm and Neltharion's Lair, and not just huge...dark...lava...cave...
About HTTYD – imagine a Wrathion glowing red in the dark. What if black dragons can bioluminesce? that would be cool

But they only do lava vibes(

[jade basalt]

Dunno, they added 3 already. Initially dracthyr only had one body type, which was somewhere half-way between the current thinnest and current bulkiest option. Due to player feedback they added 3 more options, some thinner, some thicker. There's now a notable difference when you switch from the thinnest option to the bulkiest option imo. Although from afar it's not that noticeable.
The current bulkiest is still what I'd personally consider "medium".
The thinnest is appropriately thinnest.
So we're really just missing a "bulkiest" option.

But yeah, if they were to buff them up too much, then armor placement and all might become an issue, but I think there's still some margin, and the tech allows for it to be changed rather "easily".

[dense plover]

i wouldnt mind some head size options

on the big body the head looks tiny

[jade basalt]

Totally. My main issue with dracthyr personally is their head and face. Their heads are disproportionately tiny, specially with the bulkiest option. And their faces aren't dragon-y enough, most face options look like lizards or salamanders.

Meanwhile the dragonriding drake mount has an amazing face and face options that really look dragon-y.

[proper crystal]

Im super late to this convo, but this is me 100%. I only use the female body type, even for characters I think of or RP as being male. I absolutely hate being forced to play a big bulky avatar if I don't want boobs. I adore the androgynous races like vulpera and now dracthyr, and I'm relieved they didn't go the more furry-dragon route of giving the dracthyr boob options lmao

Tbh there should be another body type for dracthyr of being the thick thighs and slender torso for the people complaining that there isn't a "feminine-enough" option

[plain violet]

God. That sound amazing.