#classic-wow

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ionic rock
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yw

proud temple
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And how fast you kill things/complete quests is entirely dependent on your own skill/competence at a class

dire pendant
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They won't be in classic though.

serene siren
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Ok

dire pendant
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Human racial was OP for classic servers.

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Orcs were the best shamans.

serene siren
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Im rn playing a goblin BM hunter

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Hes at 69

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Near 70

ionic rock
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OH this was a classic channel

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LOL

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Sry guys

serene siren
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What

dire pendant
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Alliance exclusively had paladins. Horde exclusively had shamans.

ionic rock
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I don't think sub-races are gonna be classic.

dire pendant
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Warriors were the best tanks.

serene siren
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Ya

dire pendant
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Druids were awful, for the most part.

proud temple
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Which also sucked, but it didn't get that much better. All Horde gets are cows and anorexic metrosexuals

serene siren
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Only ogs remember the time when u had to make or buy ur own bullets and arrows as a hunter

void moss
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ill most likely play a warlock

dire pendant
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Stuns were ridiculously OP and rogues had the best stuns.

void moss
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or hunter

dire pendant
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You also kept them in an ammo bag.

serene siren
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Hunter can be really op and fun with the right keybind set

dire pendant
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You also had to have a sword for when you went into melee range.

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You couldn't shoot if you were closer than 5 yards.

serene siren
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Goku if u have a gaming mouse with 2 side buttons i can give u my keybind set

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How long have u all been playing for?

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Iv been 10 years

dire pendant
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I am at 15 years now.

serene siren
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Damn

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U been playing vanilla?

dire pendant
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I came in at the end. I didn't max level though, till Wrath.

serene siren
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I started tbc

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Around that time

dire pendant
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Was that 15 years? Dang I am trying to remember back.

serene siren
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Idk at this point

dire pendant
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Okay, so I have played for 13 years. I thought that vanilla came out two years before it did.

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Dang the end of vanilla was 11 years ago, so 12ish years ago. I can't count right now.

serene siren
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This is new expansion

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Im calling it

dire pendant
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After Battle for Azeroth?

serene siren
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Ya

dire pendant
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I don't think so, but okay.

hexed finch
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@dire pendant that moment when wow is 13 years old,and you played 15 🤔

serene siren
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XD

dire pendant
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I fixed it @hexed finch, thanks though.

serene siren
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Tbc reales in 2007

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Its 2018

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10 years for me still

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Alright im off

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See u guys later

proud temple
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Wow is 14 years old*

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Released in 2004

hexed finch
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still 13 and a half,until its birthday

proud temple
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Same diff

civic steppe
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@serene siren the person who made that is going to be disappointed no matter what Blizzard releases.
Why does it matter in what order things go?

serene siren
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Idk

maiden river
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Did I imagine priests using feathers for stam buff?

oblique narwhal
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Feathers were for Levitate. Fortitude used candles

maiden river
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That's it! Candles I remember using something like that. How long ago was that now?

idle kite
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Vanilla days... not sure if it still was a thing in tbc though

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Soooo over 10 years

maiden river
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Im pretty sure that i still used feathers for slow fall on my mage till the end of wrath, dont remember other classes. But it did make sense to me, i mean typically reagents are needed for spells

maiden river
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I recall farming feathers for levitate. Also making sure I always had candles. I thought I'd imagined it, so long ago now. I still have my old quiver bag on my hunter, though now it can carry everything.

ocean vigil
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don't forget seeds for mark of the wild

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et al

maiden river
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I only really played a hunter and a priest. I didn't start with other classes till a lot later on. Wondering if they'll bring these item requirements back for the buffs?

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Well im sure they will have them in for classic yes

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Looking forward to that :)

vestal turret
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Any clue when classic is suppose to be released?

forest crypt
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Most, if not all, buffs lost their resource requirements after Wrath.

idle kite
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Prob end of this year or next year...

rigid basin
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Seeds, symbols candles are only for the greater buffs

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Which can be bought

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Levitate, feather fall, water walking and water breathing requires reagents that comes from mobs

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Classic spells are dripping with flavor

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Ritual of doom for example

reef creek
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I miss how dark the nighttime used to be

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Hope they have the old lighting in classic

hexed finch
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you can use the inky black potion

reef creek
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Yeah but that makes all the skies the same

rigid basin
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Sure Classic were darker, but not by much

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Mostly bluefilter

weak prawn
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I dumped a few thousand on inky black pots and I have them up almost all the time when it's night. Not the same as classic, true, but it's a nice atmosphere

maiden river
idle kite
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'Cuz no new info... when there will be something new, it will blow up again.

maiden river
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I kno I kno

true roost
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How do you guys think they'll deliver Classic?

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One time payment? Comes with a monthly sub?

idle kite
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In the current monthly sub as an optional realm...

primal isle
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do you think there will be additional non vanilla content added such as some of the newer races added later on? or barber shop or even if you recall the dual spec feature?

jolly girder
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dual spec or new races will not be there

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it supposed to be vanilla not live

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but i dont see how barber shop would be an issue

maiden river
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Well that’s odd

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Dual spec is completely out of the question for you, but oh, barber shop is no problem

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A future update is a future update, no matter what it is

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You’re either for or against them

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Or you’re like me, I wouldn’t mind some small updates, as long as it’s what the community wants

maiden river
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I don’t get all these nochanges crowd I play since 2005 and god damn playing without barber shop is a nogo I remember making my mage gnome and I hated her hair but no way to change because there wasn’t even a way to pay for it. I made a new char just because it bothered me so much lol

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Making a new main in vanilla was a pain to refarm all the res gear etc just for a hair style 🤣

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Same with transmog I used to modify files and it was pretty annoying to do that just to change gear how I wanted, such simple features are great and I had to wait long for that

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If I put myself back to vanilla I would be in the same situation as I was in 2005 „man starting a gnome was such a fail why can’t I race change“ „damn these hair are even more annyoing why can’t I change that“ „my new BIS chest looks so stupid let’s wear the worse one“
Vanilla was great gameplay wise but feature wise everyone complained so why go back to that and not just get vanilla CONTENT with good features they added after

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I second that

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I mean, I didn’t play vanilla, but your argument makes sense

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Idk if all these people see vanilla with nostalgic glasses or something sure I don’t complained about content like raids because it was awesome but hell I hated so many features we didn’t had

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Everyone complained to not have dual spec and now people saying they don’t want it, that’s some weird shit going on 😂

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I also remember my guildies hated it to change T2 for resistance gear because they looked really stupid with it but now people don’t want transmog, that’s beyond my understanding

maiden river
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Also another issue was the fights were hecking ridiculous if you had no communication, majority of the groups wouldn't even make it past the first boss (Which I assume the ingame vc they're implementing will aid with that)

civic steppe
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from the last 15 posts, it doesn't seem like classic was very good

maiden river
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It was alright for what it was at the time

idle kite
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Vanilla is not for everyone... the people that are thinking i cant play without dual spec or barber shop etc.... prob never got far in the game and did not get why the systems were like that. Sure some were pure tech limitations, but most were not needed and that was intended.

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Having no transmog made you stand out for your achivements of being good and getting that gear. No name change, race change etc were so that other people knew who you were on the realm. Sure barber shop is not a big deal, but if you care more about hair that is actually covered up by armor and not the intrecacies of the gameplay... i think vanilla was not for you and you kinda missed its point.

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But o well... different people have different tastes. All good... diff games for diff people. Its going to be good being able to choose the version each likes of wow.

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Hope if classic is a success they release eventually a tbc and wrath realm.

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Not having dual spec and costing alot of gold to respec constantly was a way of telling you that farming gold was a need not an option... thinking good and hard about those talent points was a must if you didnt have any gold. Vanilla as most mmos back them were a grind fest by designed and it showed that in most systems it had and did not have.

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Im not saying some systems were good, some were bad, but that the over all systems put together is what made the game good. You cant really single out one or two systems, cuz alot they dont make sense, but when put together with the rest of them they work just fine.

maiden river
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Erm sorry but that is your opinion I raided till mid AQ 40 and I still don’t like it that we weren’t able to race change or transmog, wearing the same sets forever was just boring, ye you saw someone’s progress by simply looking at his gear but whatever I never cared about I just wanted to costumize my gear, just because someone played vanilla doesn’t mean they need to like everything back than, I liked a few things like the need of travel and no LFG etc but I sure don’t liked the missing barber or transmog and god the pvp rank system was Aweful

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Not to forget running around with full set and only missing the shoulders because of bad luck looking stupid as hell 😂

idle kite
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Ok... i understand you didnt like the no race change, but do you actually know why this was intended? Because in vanilla there were specific class race spells,ex dwarf priest fear ward. And being able to race change would be bad because of that. People would race change to that specific class race for that, and thus retracting from the uniqueness of those combinations. If you wanted it you needed to reroll or deal with your shortcomings some other way. Race change was introduced when thos spells and racials were tone down. Same with dual spec... so point to hide it behind a gold respec wall since gold in wrath was so easy to get.

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That was my point... dont take one system alone, cuz it does not make sense alone... but with the other systems you see why it was made like that

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no point*

maiden river
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Only thing I wanna say with that is that I hate that #nochange entitle thing because these people aren’t the only one allowed saying what they want and weren’t the only one playing vanilla I pay sub since 2005 and my opinion matters the same as everyone else so I understand people to want Changes or features but I also understand people who want certain features and we should respect both

idle kite
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Sure... i dont deny that.

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But i am pointing out that vanilla was not a bad game when taken as a whole.

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Thats why changes could hurt the overall game

maiden river
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And ye I know racials etc. But still sticking with my gnome wasn’t a good experience because style and Mogs matters alot to me and putting me back MONTHS of progress for switching only a race wasn’t very fun it was stupid

civic steppe
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Word wall alert

idle kite
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yeah... cuz that's how you explain a point.. not just call it stupid or great and thats it.

maiden river
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I think I made my point clear, I’m a vanilla player and I hated many missing features back than, and many other people and friends did too. While others liked it without any changes. I’m ok with both since I won’t play classic server without these features and even with these features I wouldn’t play it because I don’t like to stuck with content forever so

idle kite
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well sorry to say and no offense.. but you are the problem with the classic forums voices that are out there right now, and could skew blizzards view on the old game. people that won't play it anyway, but want to change it. why try to change something that won't affect you in any way? why are these people even discussing it to begin with if they have no intention of taking part in it? that's what i don't understand.

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sure there were bad parts and good parts about the game... but why chime in if you have to interest in experiencing it again anyway? and even more so... expect those things to change and support it?

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anyway.. that's my 2 cents. what happens happens, only blizz knows what coming. i just hope its good.

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whats*

idle kite
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no interest*

maiden river
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There are people in the forums getting roflstomped and hated with #nochange posts when they suggesting adding features that weren’t in vanilla back in the day. But these people forget that they are not the only one who wants to play classic and #nochange isn’t something everyone will be pleased with who wants to play classic and they are not right with their opinion, there is no right or wrong because classic isn’t vanilla it’s something blizzard is going to make and be sure it’s not completely vanilla there will be changes and everyone needs to adapt and If i want to say what i think about it I’m definitely allowed to say it, because maybe one day i wanna try it out and as long as there is no additional sub for it everyone is also paying for that classic servers

civic steppe
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why try to change something that won't affect you in any way?
this coming from someone who is hard-core a vanilla-fetishiser? Why try to change the main game back to how it was when playing the main game and enjoying it won't affect you in any way?

idle kite
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when did i say i want to change the main game back to the old one?? i said dont change the old one... having two separate, different games(and i enjoy both to be clear, legion was/is awesome) is not a bad thing. i never said change one of the other... please stop going off on your own ideas thinking thats what i said and try to understand what i actually say. - that was for edgytroll.. and btw.. wtf is fetishiser, are you inventing words on the spot or is this some obscure new weird term?

idle kite
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and as for shada's answer... you just said before that you dont want to play classic if it does not change things and will not play it anyway(even if they change it) cuz it has a finite line of content(you just said that, do you want me to quote you?, just scroll and read your own reply again please)... and now you say, hey i want change cuz maybe who knows when, even for a sec i want to try it... it needs to suit me and my needs?... really??!?!? are you seriously telling me that? you are contradicting yourself right there. That's why i was asking, why would you even care so much about something, you clearly pointed out, you actually dont intend to play. sure everyone has opinions and by all mean express them... but be ok if they dont actually happen and respect people that want things to stay as they were.(these things go both ways) i dont care frankly about those people that you talk about that slam people for talking about things... you are talking to me now, and i think i pointed my thinking out in a clear and polite manner in my previous messages, and if it did not seem so, i apologize, that was not intended. make a difference between a holes and people that try to have a normal debate and dont group people up just for the sake of being against something.

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and lets be clear... i did not start this conversation trying to get in a verbal fight with anyone.. i was just pointing out the things that vanilla had in a clear and descriptive way. you are the ones that skyrocketed it out of control thinking that i am the same as some a holes that you have had bad interactions with before. even so, i apologize and take my leave. this is not worth my time if we cannot have a civilized conversation.

maiden river
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Vanilla is cool.

maiden river
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Temperature seems to have risen in this channel significantly

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It would be great if people had understanding and civil discussions about what I am sure most of us love (in one form or another)

faint tapir
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I just wanna go back to old darkshore tbh

earnest sequoia
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It's one of those thing I knew was going to happen as soon as they announced Classic Servers.

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pretty much confirming the whole "you think you do, but you don't" comment.

honest folio
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Old Darkshore or old southshore? Because both were pretty meh imho

maiden river
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I just wanna go back to everyone being friends.

civic steppe
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We basically did that at the beginning of Legion

blissful mantle
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Here’s my opinion I played then it was great memory’s for myself but would I want to re do the exact same thing no I would like to have some of the quality of life change improvements that were added later im a avid collector of achives mounts and pets and toys it would be nice if we had some ways of doing things better then how it was back then soo many people looking thru their tinted glasses

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Just don’t see the larger picture times have changed the player audience has aswell wich blizzard knows

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They must adapt and evolve to this

idle kite
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Sure, thats very true, some people changed and how they enjoy the game changed with that. But isnt the current wow satisfying that need for you? Its the most robust system to support those things that you want... why do you need another version of the same thing that will most likely not even come close to the detail that is in the current version, if it does get implemented in classic?

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At the same time... some people did not change and want that old style. What do you think blizz would realistically do? Make two diff games to satisfy both groups of people and get more people to subscribe, or make a mish mash of the same game again and hurt both groups, cuz people that want the old style wont play it, and the people that do like the new style already have the current wow that is way more detailed and flushed out in those specific things that you wanted.

blissful mantle
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I belive blizz is only doing classic because a lot of the private realms are corrupt and make profits off their game so why don’t they just do classic them selfs and profit tho they have to appeal the widest possible audience with it not cater to a small crowd in the end of the day its all $$$ what will bring in the most revenue

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All company’s need to make a profit

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One of the problems with classic was how it was designed tho you’ll have people complain if it was exactly how it was in the past soo many classes not viable too hard for players now a days too much grind too much effort required to raid of what ever people will complain aways on the other end you’ll have people say it’s not hard and what not but in the end it comes down to what’s best for them profit wise I’m pretty much completely shure there will be changes to what it once was just so they can “appeal” to a wider audience. A lot of the old players won’t have time to invest in classic cause they have grown up more have jobs and lives or even play and raid on live there are soo many possible factors for things the company must think of

idle kite
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I as well very much think that blizz wants to bring the players from private servers to an official realm to fix a problem of corruption and theft that most people had with buying gold as well, thus the wow token. but i do not think they will be able to attract those people from private servers that try to be as close to the old game as possible with a version that is no where near to what it was back then. do you understand what i'm trying to say? they will lose money if they stray away from what it was, not make money(they already invested money in making classic, if they dont attract any player, they lose even more). they are making money with new features now with the current wow... most players like it and keep playing it. the ones that dont like it, stopped completely and are thus not a source of income for blizz. they are the target people they want to attract... that's how they would make money, get that other market share that they lost to private servers or not liking the current wow to come back. at least from my point of view. like this they would have 2 sources of income. i think they will actually lose money if they make a mish mash of it for the reasons i pointed out before.

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A similar example are from softwares games. most people hate how difficult and unforgiving demon's souls, dark souls games are and they will never play these games. but focusing on this small margin of players that like very hard brutal unforgiving playstyle they are very successful. they have made a sure franchise out of it, by not catering to the majority of player types. See what i mean?? by focusing on a specific thing and make it good you will have a big success with that target audience. if you make if too broad you might lose alot of players instead of actually being successful. that's what i think blizz is trying to do with classic. attract that part of the player base that like those types of archaic slow grindy systems, as well as satisfy the needs of the majority of players with the current wow.

blissful mantle
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Tho there is a point where the audience becomes so small that it’s not worth the effort

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It will be huge at the start then die off slowly thinking long term are they going for releaseing content progressively or haveing it all out at the start will they continue with the next expac and so on there’s a lot of possibility’s that can be done with classic. Is it worth it to me to play Maybee in a verry small scale unless there’s achievements or things you can attain for live then that’s a different ball of wax I think classic can be a big success or a big failure depending on what it done how it is done and managed so on so on I understand booth angles I just am giving g my opinion there still will be those private realms aways

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Tho some things need tweaking classic did have several fundamental flaws

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And wasn’t that polished off

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Duo spec ok that’s fine tho if they keep it how it was well look at what classes were most viable shaman gear and pally gear does raid and only shaman teir and your alliance well too bad

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Bag space full cause mounts and pets too bad

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Some progressive and I think non damageing things could be done to change it

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Mount and pet journal that’s fine I think doesn’t really impact things too much just for the sake of bag space

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Tweaks to boss drops to make it better could be a good improvement then haveing gear no one can use

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But that’s what I think

faint tapir
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don't talk smack about Old Darkshore 😠

civic steppe
static prawn
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Idk man. It’s either classic or it’s not. Black or white no Grey areas.

maiden river
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As someone stated, it’s “vanilla”

buoyant harness
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Vanilla with chocolate chips and caramel sauce ain’t vanilla

maiden river
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But neither is ice cream when it sits for 10 years

civic steppe
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^

limber helm
lime raft
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classic wow confirmed release next week

hollow junco
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sweet. I'll tell CNN

maiden river
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Lemme hit up WSJ

fiery oracle
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Already sent it to FOX , ABC, and CBS......

civic steppe
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Why woild they release it next wk

sharp raft
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ahhhh yep...

maiden river
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Why not? Bring it out, let people get sick of it before BFA. Gives them what? 6-7months?

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Let numbers go up further with the release of classic build up this massive player base of people who played vanilla and then when BFA is out by then most people would be a bit sick of it (Pvp servers I'd assume.) And then come over to BFA for some less then balanced pvp because kids and others are sick of being trashed on in it.

maiden river
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As for PVE people might get sick of it cause everyone will require so much more since it's technically old content so getting into raids or anything else will be kind of a bitch. Which tbh is great don't ever add LFR EVER.

maiden river
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In a way it is old content, but it wouldn’t be old content at that point, it was so much more different than it is now.

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Quest were different, zones are hella different, raiding wise you’d be progressing through like normal

sharp raft
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all the old eastern kingdoms & kalimdor would be new content for those that joined post cata, with no help it would be super hard mode lol

maiden river
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@split peak Asking for gold isn't allowed, sorry.

maiden river
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Someone say gold

hollow junco
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owo

idle kite
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Say "wow token" when trying to buy gold... should be fine... but shhhh dont tell anyone else

maiden river
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I mean you can literally buy gold if you wanna get technical about it.

maiden river
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But it's not recommended

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I mean...wow tokens are basically gold..

vernal kettle
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Yea but only, like, 10k

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I prefer at least 18k

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24k is even better.

maiden river
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Back in my day, tokens were it 60k

maiden river
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Aren't they like 20$ for 200k now lol

tiny nymph
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Might be, all I know is that they're €20 for 300k on EU

maiden river
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I wouldn't know because I abide by Blizzards rules

dapper delta
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Wow Tokens are sold by blizzard :P

hollow junco
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WoW Tokens sold by Blizzard... or BlĂ­zzard?

tiny nymph
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pɹɐzzᴉlq obviously

hollow junco
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obviously.

sharp grove
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Last I checked on Archimonde (two months ago) wow tokens we're 180k

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*were

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For US Servers

idle kite
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320k eu...

maiden river
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Jesus

tawny vessel
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189,718 currently on WA

earnest sequoia
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I dunno what caused the last surge

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even after the hearthstone announcement died down, they went back to 179-ish, then all the sudden they went back up to 190k and stopped there for NA

maiden river
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when does classic come out?

idle kite
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No one knows when... when its done probably... they have just 5 people working on it for now

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At least thats whats leaked/rumoured

civic steppe
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it's coming out in 3018

ebon oracle
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sounds about right

unreal nebula
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3018? how generous. My best bet is 4000 at earliest.

maiden river
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We probably won't see it unless they HAVE to push back BFA by some chance otherwise we won't see it until like mid to late BFA when they run out of things to add

civic steppe
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why would they have to push back BFA?

maiden river
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Maybe they dont have it finished? Maybe they haven't touched up certain things so they push it back a bit further? Many reasons could come up.

civic steppe
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they've already set forth a release date.
if they don't release something relating to BFA by that day, Blizzard's PR is gonna get a shit-ton of shit

hollow junco
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its just a set date

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it either launches on that date

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or before

solemn brook
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classic and BFA release dates are not related

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if BFA gets "pushed back" (despite having a far-away latest release date), they don't owe us classic.

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they owe us BFA.

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people preordered it, they did not preorder classic.

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"Blizzard's PR is gonna get a shit-ton of shit"
exactly. releasing classic wouldn't help, it's basically a different game.

wooden path
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BFA got pushed forwards.

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Into August.

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So I'm excited.

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But Classic isn't anywhere near over the horizon, so I'm fine with the hype for it dying down until a release date is scheduled and announced.

maiden river
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When was BFA originally? Sept?

hexed finch
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on the box it said "absolute latest date of release"

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sept 21

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legion also had sept release and it ended up with august 30

maiden river
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Heh this xp[ac comes out earlier

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Lol

wild spear
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CLassic wil for sure be 2019, maybe early 2020 in a drought of BFA

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we will have to see though, we dont even know if they have started yet as they are still hiring.

gusty oracle
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im guessing we will see more of it during blizzcon

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but the main focus wll be on bfa

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and then its gonna be one of the main things in 2019 blizcon

wooden path
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I think late 2019 would be too late

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More like mid 2019, most likely late 2019, but not november late

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So they're probably going to talk about it during 2018 blizzcon quite a bit

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Then again, if BFA alpha hinders any classic work, then i could see it being big at 2019 blizzcon

maiden river
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how would people feel about spawn rates of quest mobs being increased to a more frequent level?

sand reef
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Personally, I'm all for some of the QoL additions such as adjust respawn rates & aoe looting.

rigid basin
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Don't care, as long as leveling is hard and combat is slow

maiden river
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leveling wasn't hard in vanilla, it just took months

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Or a week if you no life it

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Which I will most likely do when it comes out

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Unsure about what class though. Hunter or Paladin

rigid basin
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So leveling in retail is harder than vanilla right now? Please...

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Sure, it wasnt hard compared to previous mmos, but that is not the benchmark

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The benchmark is retail vs vanilla, and vanilla were a lot harder, and slower, in the leveling department

hexed finch
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yea,that statement is so stupid

maiden river
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it was just slower tbh

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the difficulty really wasn't all that in leveling

primal isle
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classic enthusiasts, I may be a bit ignorant, but are there news if classic will be pay once, free to play, separated sub, or linked to the active live account sub?

rigid basin
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@maiden river you are so wrong. Unlimited mana for example lowers the difficult.

maiden river
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how? just drink and the mana comes back

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you're mistaking preparations as difficulty

rigid basin
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By that reason, no game is difficult. Ita all in time invested and repeatability

maiden river
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yeah. that is what i'm saying. Repeat till success.

rigid basin
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That means Dark Souls is a pretty easy game

maiden river
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considering i didn't start dying till near the end?

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yeah

rigid basin
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Haha

maiden river
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dark souls can be an easy game if you play long enough/know the patterns of the bosses

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all you need to do to beat dark souls: Watch a video of the boss and memorize patterns

rigid basin
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What you are describing is every single game

maiden river
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am i wrong?

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you know what makes dark souls easier?

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time

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you know what makes classic wow "difficult" for you?

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the longevity of leveling

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it's not hard. Just long

rigid basin
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Every single game

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Evet

maiden river
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every single game is long? nah i dont think so

rigid basin
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No, every single game is ridiculously easy because it's all about time invested

maiden river
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ok i have a question.

rigid basin
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According to you

maiden river
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is xenoblade chronicles hard because it takes a long time to level through many quests?

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better yet, why is Classic hard?

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tell me why classic leveling is hard

rigid basin
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I never played it, but it depends on how easy it is to get killed

maiden river
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i have played it.

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i can tell you, it ain't hard

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pulling one mob at a time isn't difficult

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healing between pulls isn't difficult

rigid basin
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It sounds so easy until you get caught in a cluster of mobs

maiden river
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that's your fault

rigid basin
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Trogg cave in Loch Modan for example

maiden river
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you can die in current right now if you pull a cluster of mobs

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what makes it so different?

rigid basin
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Yeah you die if you pull 7-10 mobs nowadays, which is a skill in itself cobsidering how sparsely clustered they are

maiden river
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no

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i'm talking about leveling

rigid basin
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Me tp

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Me to

maiden river
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right now, if you go to the kobold mines in alliance, you will get killed if you pull 3-4 which you very easily can do

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of course if you're the appropriate level for the area

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go try it out.

rigid basin
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I have and that was after 7.3.5

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It got harder, but nowhere near as it used to be

maiden river
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how would you know how it used to be? you never played vanilla.

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you said so yourself

rigid basin
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I played vanilla in 2005 and I played vanilla a year ago

maiden river
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then why'd you say you didn't play it?

rigid basin
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Xenoblade something something

maiden river
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ohhhh you meant xenoblade

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okay my bad

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anyways, back to the main point of difficulty. It isn't hard to progress in vanilla. Watch your surroundings and kill one by one and it's smooth sailing. What isn't smooth sailing is the spawn rates of quest mobs and quest items. See a group? Wait till they move away from each other. It's moreso a test of patience rather than difficulty and greatly depends on what kind of class you're playing too.

rigid basin
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You are once again describing every single game

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That ever existed

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Im not saying vanilla leveling in a vacuum is hard, but compared to retail and many post-wow mmos you will die a lot more.

hollow junco
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Nerds

drowsy anvil
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U R!

wooden path
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@maiden river I pull like 7-8 mobs on my arms warrior when leveling, 3-4 is cake.

void moss
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i plan on making a paladin for classic they are and always will be godmode

wooden path
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I wanna go lock

idle kite
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Same...pala power

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Then a rogue alt for sure

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Mage maybe after cuz aoe grinding is fast

wooden path
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Lock/alc for money and levels

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Then a warrior for pvp

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Maybe pve too

idle kite
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i want to try enchanting at 60... just sitting in IF and spamming "enchanting free with your mats... tips welcomed"... and make stacks of money just by afking

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will take alot of farming the recipes... but thing it will be worth it.

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had a pala friend to got his 12k g for sulfuras hammer in 2-3 weeks with that

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but had a mage ah shark who had fat stacks of gold just by sitting in IF and AH sniping

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for each their own i guess

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a mage friend in the guild*

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while i was pickpocketing brd mobs to get 100g... sad panda 😦

wooden path
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Don’t copy me

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You have been warned

idle kite
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when dire maul drops... quel'serrar quest item book farm is good source of money as a pala

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lol

wooden path
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Mhm mhm

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Good for warr

idle kite
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for any class really that has aoe

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mage... pala,,,, shaman... lock...

wooden path
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OHHH

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YOU MEAN FOR FARMING

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I thought you meant the book itself

idle kite
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yeah.. for the mullaaaa... big stacks of cash.. moneyesssss :d

maiden river
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Mainly hunter cause of the legendary questline. Afterwards I'll do Paladin

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I'm a sucker for solo challenges

wooden path
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Oooh the Hunter challenge

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Hardly a challenge now that it’s been 14 years since its release.

maiden river
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eh, still something to try out

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never did it

true sentinel
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hi

rigid basin
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Hai

sharp grove
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What hunter challenge is it you guys are referring to?? It rings a bell but I can't find anything about it other than the hunter challenge for legion lol

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(The one that's 14 years old at this point)

hexed finch
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Quel'Serrar sword

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I think they're referring

hollow junco
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No.

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Rhok'Delar

sharp grove
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Sweet! Thanks!

idle kite
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Quel serrar is a tank sword

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There is the priest one as well benediction

hexed finch
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i forgot this was the classic channel

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because all those weapons have ben removed during the years

velvet scroll
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How are you guys farming for those weapons? Or am I reading this wrong?

maiden river
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@sharp grove it's a legendary bow you can earn after getting a drop from a specific boss from molten core. It's a large questline that requires you to solo kill 4 demons all across the world. Each demon has a mechanic/gimmick. The bow may not be the best for hunter but it shows that you have mastery over the class

wooden path
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Plus it’s good if you’re just hitting 60, and considering how all the gimmicks can be found online, it’s very easy to complete.

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I recommend trying it out before researching it.

maiden river
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Well you can't do it when you hit 60 since you need the item from molten core to even do it

wooden path
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Ahhh is that true?

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Well if you have a shit weapon even though you somehow got yourself an MC group and managed to get this item, give the challenge a shot.

hexed finch
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you need it from 2nd to last boss too

wooden path
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And this MC group managed to do a full clear

idle kite
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most will not be able to do mc as soon as hitting 60... you need to farm pre raid gear for sure

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unless you have a very good group.. its very hard... cuz most trash mobs have kinda big and fast dps need. the fire elementals that spawn little ones... those will overwhelm you if you dont have enough dps

earnest sequoia
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yeah, there's the whole thing of farming trash like core hounds for the leather and trying to get early dark iron ore and whatnot

idle kite
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and if you are unlucky to hate 2 of those at the same time... ooo man... its a wipe for sure on your first runs

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yupp

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have*

earnest sequoia
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I think before we even took down Lucifron, we farmed like 2 weeks to get a few people (at least tanks) some FR gear

idle kite
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if will take a while to get those quest items... cuz its not 100% drop chance anyway.. and if you have 3 hunters or more... ouch.. roll for luck

earnest sequoia
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I will have to say this, as much of a purist for classic as I am

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I wouldn't say no to them having more than 2 drops off each boss

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because 40 people with 2 drops was the WORST

idle kite
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yup... the before having pre raid bis trash mc farming for off tier pieces.. :))

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you will get loot pretty fast though... and they are not super masive upgrades anyway.. so you wont see that much of a dif by slowly getting gear.. then getting it faster.. plus the content lasts longer like that

earnest sequoia
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yeah, but it was just a nightmare, especially since I loathed DKP

idle kite
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i like dkpp

earnest sequoia
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so waiting like 30 minutes for people to stop moaning and screaming because "they deserve it more than this person"

idle kite
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i hate loot council

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-50 dkp rage :)))

earnest sequoia
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yeah, I quit raiding for a while because the group I ran with decided to do DKP

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and I'm like "nope, have fun. not doing that shit"

maiden river
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Yeah. Raid loot in classic requires a motorcycle of trust. And I sure as hell grew to distrust many

wooden path
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Dw

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If you ninja loot and call them out in global

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You’ll be called out for a snitch

maiden river
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Eh?

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Is that....good?

earnest sequoia
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haha, back then, people had a blacklist on each of their realm forums of who to not invite to groups for that reason. Then Blizzard started the whole no public name-shaming

idle kite
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The rage there will be when ninjas strike... gonna be epic 😂 twitter blowup forum meltdown

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But yeah... ignore list will have a true meaning again

wooden path
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@maiden river No, it's a bad thing. We used to call out the ninjas and keep them on blacklists, but now you just look like a cuck if you call anybody out for it.

maiden river
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Wait. As in live right?

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Now as in live

wooden path
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I meant private servers.

idle kite
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Really?... i played on nost and elysium at start and ninjas were pretty avoided after knowing about them.

wooden path
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Really?

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Huh

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Maybe the Lights Hope community is different

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Or maybe World Chat's just trolling

idle kite
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world chat is always trolling... :))

wooden path
stuck bridge
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@livid goblet yoo wassup xd

plain isle
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No, flying will be amazing

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and you know what

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Classic servers will make new players understand that "No Flying" is amazing in the out door open world

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Remember still in Strangelthorn vale... where 40 raiders ran passed by me while I was leveling... that feeling

wooden path
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I remember

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I was in Gadgetzan.

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A LEGION of Hordes, level 60, ran in.

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Mind you, I'm a leveling Alliance player.

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They ONLY kill me.

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Then they exit the city.

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As if nothing happened.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

idle kite
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And guards did not attack them? The goblins are on the horde side since vanilla... "neutral faction"

wooden path
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No the guards attacked

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It’s just

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They were a raid group

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So the guards were similar to fleas in the matter that they did hardly anything

idle kite
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I see :))

wooden path
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Oml

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I’m so hyped for classic

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Just saw some old school 1vX mage pvp vids

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Well

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Not really old school since it’s not Pom pyro

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It’s a private server but it is Vanilla

solid dove
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Me, a hyped nightborne boi, hearing of how mages are not going to be obsolete in a blizzard game for a short while

wooden path
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Can not wait for Classic

wooden path
wooden path
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Every pvp video I see is just so invigorating.

elfin dune
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Where are classic server?

maiden river
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not out yet

vernal kettle
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@cyan laurel No sharing/discussing or directing people to private servers here. Thanks.

cyan laurel
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Your welcome

tribal olive
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I've never played classic, i joined wow back in the middle of warlords, so im pretty interested to see it

idle kite
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It will be totally dif from current wow... expect to be looking for answers to the quests in the quest text and not on the map first of all. Classic is way more stingy on ui and funtionality of the ui. Addons will be needed even to quest.

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And expect to not have enough gold to learn all your spell abilities.

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And getting a mount will be hard.

amber linden
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Hi dads

idle kite
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And quests hubs are not so straitforward... you will need to find them yourself, the game will not tell you where they are usually.

hexed finch
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you needed an addon called carbonite to show quests on the actual map

idle kite
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With that... hang in there until 60

amber linden
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Get Quest Completion to mark all the quests

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If you hate addons like Carbonite that overhaul the entire map

idle kite
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We dont know what api classic will have... aka most likely addon will need to be updated or remade. So dont go searching for addons now... its pointless

maiden river
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I'm curious if the addons used back then will be able to be used now

idle kite
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Most likely not cuz of new client

maiden river
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And if twitch will incorporate addons for the game as well

idle kite
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And one more thing... classic is more based on people interacting... so if you dont know how to finish a quest or have troubles with an elite just ask for help in general chat... people will wisp advise or even inv to groups to help

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The game really depends on interations

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Otherwise its very frustrating

bright root
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Its more hard, but every step in progress your toons feels good.. Not like retail now, like a cake walk, but true exp char or learn how play in classic..
Btw any thoughs about f2p "started" will be also in classic or not?

idle kite
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f2p "started"??? what is that?

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what do you mean?

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in vanilla time there were no started editions.. there was a free 14 days trial account

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if thats what your refering to

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you're*

bright root
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@idle kite yop,i mean "starter account".. If they make old one or implemented todays model..
But still it have lot of disadvantage.. Lvl 20 gear + just prof till 100,no trade/AH/mail/10gold cap etc (+ no account binded thinks and colection like a now) VERSUS regular 29 twinks with powerfull enchants and more quality gear and stats.. Only plus is "stay with locked exp without fear ding next level and lose all work and investment"

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Mb pvE events made by players, wPvP in right zones will be satisfacting

late lodge
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10g cap? it 2g i couldn't go further than 3 last night before i resub lol

tired pagoda
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there was a trial

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1 or 7 days not sure which

stoic lion
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@tired pagoda It was 7 days ( at least here in europe ) and it was a code found inside the box. 😃

tired pagoda
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Yeah it was a code with a picture of that dwarf flying on a gryphon

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i have tons of them at home

maiden river
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... you can just read the damn quest once in a while

twin sphinx
#

I read almost every single one of the vanilla quest texts while playing, but there were still times I had to check thottbot to understand the completion requirements

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I'm honestly not sure if the experience will be the same... there's pretty much complete info on everything, now, that wasn't available then

hollow junco
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Go West. Find a chest.

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Okay.. so you pretty much search the West for a CHEST

maiden river
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It definitely wont be the same

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Mankrik wife location can be looked up easily so rip that meme

hollow junco
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still gonna ask it. And keep Chuck Norris alive

twin sphinx
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huck Norris would beat Mankrik's wife if he could find her

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*C

idle kite
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@maiden river did you actually read what i said above from the beginning? I said read the q text and if still you dont know ask in chat. I guess scrolling above a few lines is too damn much for some.

maiden river
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idc

cerulean pawn
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Classic RP.

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100/100

vestal turret
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Any set date for classic yet

visual summit
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no

vernal kettle
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November 23, 2004.

hexed finch
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jokester sas,as always

vernal kettle
maiden river
pine dagger
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Yall mind if i STEAL MEMES?
parrotwave7 parrotwave6 parrotwave5 parrotwave4 parrotwave3 parrotwave2 parrotwave1

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But seriously, I woke up to the classic announcement and have been craving the sweet vanilla ever since

valid kindle
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been awfully quiet about classic

idle kite
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well we still have a long way to the release most likely... so news would prob come around gamescom/blizzcon. really dont think anything closer then that

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they need manly a way to ease server usage on a non crossrealm server... and back then at normal capacity it crashed alot. sure alot of progress since then, but still... finding a solution and coding it to the blizz standard thats time

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they def dont want a ahn'qiraj problem again like back in the day... or launch months of lag fest cuz of everyone is in the same area

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they prob have a relatively small team as well.. 5 people, maybe 10 with just a few main roll coders. will take at least half a year to have a prototype... then rewrite to have clear code... stress it.. find bugs.. fix them.. .rewrite.

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coding sucks and takes time

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cuz they cant really rely on current wow systems

valid kindle
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i can see that those things takes time. but would be interesting to know about stuff that are more in the line of were stuff will be heading. for instance regarding future expansions, models etc

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these are things they should be able to plan without considering technology

idle kite
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sure... but until they have a stable server... they are not even thinking of spells... numbers.. raids.. quests etc

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so... prob they dont know yet

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i think blizz does not want to talk about anything prematurely cuz it might backfire on them if they dont go that way later on down the line

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pointing at Titan

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was announced before anything concrete was done... and it was canceled in the end.

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but yeah.. im there with you and everyone else thats interested in classic. news would be nice and needed. but cant do anything about it really... its done when its done.

valid kindle
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😃

tired pagoda
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the only good news possible : No changes and it starts tomorrow

maiden river
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@valid kindle hi

bright root
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U can if u accept private servers :D

woven rock
#

Private servers are literally stolen property

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No thanks

idle kite
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Not really... the server code is not blizzards at all... but because its for an ip of blizzards they can bring them to court, but not for code stealing, for ip protection.

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Private servers are made from scratch to emulate official servers with no code from blizz.

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Thats why console emulators are legal as well... until you play the actual games that are copywrited material.

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But private servers have their own problems with bugs, latency, corrupt leadership, risk of loosing all your progress... so i very much understand waiting for an oficial release.

frigid fractal
#

No sharing/discussing or directing people to private servers here. Thanks 😉

idle kite
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Sure... no problem 😄

severe lake
woven rock
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How fuckn delayed

mild sandal
#

😂

wanton juniper
#

She loved Fishing
And snnow
and pvp
So
We bought pvp to the funeral
And killed all the attendants
/bow
/cleartarget
/mourn
You will be missed sorely
Serenity now, Out.

dim mulch
#

is this game like dnd

hollow junco
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@dim mulch yes

idle kite
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well technically any RPG is like dnd... soooo.. yeah.

wooden path
#

In some ways yeah

dapper hollow
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What's dnd?

hexed finch
#

that is a very weird question to ask for an internet user

dapper hollow
#

Is a type of game?

mighty mantle
#

Dungeons and Dragons online

hexed finch
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the online part is not necessary

dapper hollow
#

Ouch okay merci!

odd pecan
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i dont think it is a good idea to return old "native" Classic servers...

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mb the whole idea is good, but... old graphics?

hexed finch
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old graphics

odd pecan
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that sux (

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not so long ago i tried my first mmorpg... i realized how aweful it was

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laggy, buggy... and really aweful graphics

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game of 2001...

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i'm afraid i'll feel the same when i'll try classic wow (

hexed finch
#

well,if you cannot enjoy yourself without having "uh look at these gud graphics" then I don't think classic is for you

odd pecan
#

it is problem for me to change game from "ok, it has problems, but it is still good" to "meeeeh i already seen it before... it was interesting at school but not anymore after 14 years. at least it looked better"

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i remember mechanics, i remember grind, mb i even want to try it again but...

hexed finch
#

i personally played classic back in the day,and surely loved it,but i clearly wouldnt do it again murloc the grind was enough the first time

odd pecan
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i played classic at 2005 when i was 15, that was really awesome but i knw that after i got a lot of other exp in wow and other games it wont feel like it was at that time (

maiden river
#

Then move along nothing to see here 👀

odd pecan
#

wanna see more news about classic servers and find smth that will make me say - i was wrong! it is still the best part of this game

wooden path
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@odd pecan The graphics aren't all that bad back then.

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Since the aesthetic is still there.

odd pecan
#

that is true, but graphics it the first thing that you meet in game

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then you meet basic mechanics, than some lore, than some new mechanics and some new animations...

wooden path
#

Yes, you will see far less polygons, but again, the aesthetic is what is important. And to me, I have more fun looking at Vanilla WoW than I do in the current state of the game.

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I agree, the graphical state of the game is much lower in Vanilla.

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But it's not disgusting like other older MMOs.

hexed finch
#

its 2004 graphics

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and yes for the time,those graphics were almost really high

wooden path
#

I mean, eh. They looked really good.

hexed finch
#

2004 was oldschool run escape time

wooden path
#

But back then, WoW was meant for any gamer.

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Nothing high-end.

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And tbh that was the best thing about it.

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It looked good and ran good.

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Sorta

#

You had crashes and such but still, the game was targeting the casual audience I guess is my point.

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Those who have cheaper toasters than today's battlestations.

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Obviously not the case anymore :(

hexed finch
#

you can run vanilla on an actual toaster

wooden path
#

Vanilla, yeah

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BFA nahhhh

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GL

hexed finch
#

legion still runs on most low end machines but BFA raised the minimum specs

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so yah

wooden path
#

Yeye

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It's a more recent thing they're doing but

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It sucks their big selling point has kinda left.

#

Then again

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It's not really their selling point anymore.

hexed finch
#

you can still run it on old machines just

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not that old

wooden path
#

Yeah, but it's still hardly playable.

#

You're not going to be able to do high end content with a weaker computer.

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It'll just explode.

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Although yes, you can run the game.

bright root
#

Time for diging old toaster from basement for raiding with 5fps.. Weee, i miss these days :D

wooden path
#

lmao I'd actually love to play Classic on a toaster if I got the chance.

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Just to see what it was like.

bright root
#

Make love not warcraft have answer for ya :D

idle kite
#

they will 100% optimize the new classic client to work on todays hardware... so use multiple cpu cores... gpu capabilities and shaders(will probably use newer shadow tech). if you play old wow on todays computers it runs like shit(if you have a lower clock cpu aka 2.5ghz to 4ghz),, on the other hard legion runs 60fps on low on ultrabooks cuz its optimized... so expect classic to be able to be run on "todays toasters" for sure.

bright root
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True. In fact i played on 256mb GPU and 1.18ghz (one core) in past.. This MACHINE cant handle browsing net today

maiden river
#

@odd pecan I guess that Blizz will add an option that you can do the Legion/BfA graphics.

bright root
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I hope not

odd pecan
#

i hope they will

maiden river
#

Well I guess they will @bright root, since the stuff we have right now when it comes to computers has changed ALOT since Vanilla

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And maybe people want Legion graphics

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And some want the old vanilla graphics

bright root
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Yes, i agree, but it will mean (if they do it) remaster and not re-release

maiden river
#

It will be a remaster never the less

bright root
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And lot of work.. Bc just port models inna old core client isnt enough

maiden river
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True

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They will change certain stuff for sure

bright root
#

For me looks this case as same hard work as doing guys who make SkyWind..

maiden river
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Yup

idle kite
#

i hope they just optimize the new client and not update the graphics too much... especially not the new char models... have you seen how bad the old gear looks on the new char models???

maiden river
#

I guess there is an option as I said before.

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And what needs to be changed on the client? @idle kite

hexed finch
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he means optimize it so it doesn't run at 20FPS on a GTX 1080

maiden river
#

Aah

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Yeah good point

idle kite
#

yeah... thats what i mean... to run well on modern hardware

river widget
#

Be a shame if classic did better than bfa O.o

hexed finch
#

i dont think it will

barren bluff
#

@hexed finch Agreed. A lot of people (including some of my friends) who are rather new to WoW, have no idea what Vanilla (and even TBC) was like. They say they want Classic, but I can already see...they will try it, and just go back to BFA IMO

hexed finch
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it was a grindfest on the level of some current korean MMO's

barren bluff
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yup. TBC was already quite a bit better, could quest all the way to 70 (instead of having to grind since there were too little quests), and even that they would quit, since it took extremely long, and big pulls = wipe

hexed finch
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you needed to really earn everything you had

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like druid forms

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totems

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demons

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class mount

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it surely was great fun,but i really wouldnt do it again,the grind was enough the first time

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@barren bluff

rigid basin
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God how I miss those things

maiden river
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The thing is, in vanilla my character had a huge value to me, every green or the rare blue or the remotely possible epic I managed to obtain was amazing. With retail I don't appreciate any of my characters, if I had something happen to them I don't know if I would even rise an eyebrow. One just steamrolls trough content and is gifted with sacks full of epics and legendaries, no feeling of anything earned. I for one am very pleased when classic releases 👌

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The biggest grind of my life was killing mobs in Vale of Eternal Blossoms for Skyshards

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And I still only have 6 of them

rigid basin
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Professions actually matters :)

maiden river
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Uhh what?

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Ohh

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Nvm

idle kite
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There were always enough quests to finish lvling to 60... people just didnt know that they needed to switch between zones frequently. A lot of people just did the qs in the zones that they were in.. get to one that was way over the lvl they were, and instead of moving to a new zone to find the other quests that were apropriate.. they just grinded mobs to get to the lvl to do that q that they had

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Some actually were ok with grinding like that cuz it was the standard in other mmos at that time

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Most people do for ex as humans just the starting zone and then move to westfall... which is usually wrong...
cuz you will just do a few qs and get stuck. The ideal way is do starting zone and then move to dwarf starting zone and do that as well the do a few qs in lock modan and then westfall and back and and so on.

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Each lvl range has a few zones for it..

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@barren bluff

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By the time you get to 60 you would probably have visited all of the zones... and that would be even better at max lvl... cuz you have all the flight points

rigid basin
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Group quests as well, people avoided them and thus payed the price

idle kite
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Yup

barren bluff
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True...I miss it as well. I didn't play Vanilla long before TBC released, so had/have way more experience in it. Even in TBC...the actual work you had to to achieve anything or get anything (Nether Drakes & Nether Rays) was amazing...so much more of an achievement to earn anything. Miss it too...the days when Tanks tanked, DPS DPS'ed and Healers healed 😦

maiden river
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The days when tanks tanked. Dpz dps'd and healers healed. They still do that dude...

bold ridge
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not in heroics

maiden river
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That's cause they're overgeared?

grand citrus
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if anyone is overtaking anyone in a role, historically, it means that person's overgeared or the lower people are undergeared/bad

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kinda common sense that

idle kite
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Well... i look forward to hybrids again... and weird talent specs that span all 3 trees... and people raging on the hybrid tax 👌 😂 ... will be fun. "Reroll healer or kick" - remember this saying, you will hear it frequently 😂

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And the bluffing as a dps hybrid that you are actually a healer to get into a group and after roll on dps gear and blowing your cover 😂

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Aaaa let the good times roll

grand citrus
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tbh I'm looking forward to shockadin being viable

hexed finch
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@idle kite i had a hybrid feral dps/tank druid

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which the only useful in raids spec of druid was resto

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not because the other specs were undertuned

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but because there literally was no gear

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no tank gear was leather,as feral you had to steal the rogue's gear,and even then they were stronger because they could use the setbonus

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all int leather gear was healer gear

idle kite
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Everyone steals the rogue gear... trust me i was a rogue

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Warrs hunters druids

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Even shamys and palas on some items

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Cuz most rogue gear has hit

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But of course... the 0.5 tier rogue set did not... so off to farm gear that everyone else wants😂

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Still remember loosing the rend swords to hunters and warrs...

hexed finch
idle kite
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Even so... rogues were always on top dps 👌

hexed finch
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fire mage was shit because molten core and blackwing lair all had fire resistance khadgarface

idle kite
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In frost we trust

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An old mage saying

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Look up the video on youtube to learn the ways of aoe frost grinding 😬

hexed finch
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also the itemization for all classes

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was so utterly disgusting

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that most classes didnt work because of not having items

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like why would you put strenght on a cloth item

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or agility on a plate item

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etc

idle kite
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Agi on plate gives crit... dont think there were cloth with str though

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But yeah... stats on gear was all over the place

hexed finch
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it was so over the place

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that they scrapped enhancement sham as a tank

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because they couldnt make it work

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with the gear

rigid basin
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There were a few cloth items with strength but they were pre-50 items so they didn't matter

maiden river
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does ret paladin have viability in raid?

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for classic obv

meager dock
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not really no

maiden river
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that's a shame.

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are they any good in pvp then?

idle kite
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very good in pvp

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and it is viable but not optimal in pve as well

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as in.. warrs and rogues will always do more dps then you... but you bring things to the raid as a hybrid

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so you will be middle of the road dps

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and thats with putting in the extra time for buffs and potions... at the same time rogues will just out dps with the bare minimum buffs

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but the point is... palas are usually there for buffs like kings might etc, so if you have other 4 palas healers maybe you get as a ret pala spot and they can bring one more priest which is better for overall group healing compared with pala healing which is more tank spam healing

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so you have 2 palas on each tank.. thats 4 buffs.. and one ret with kings for the 5th buff and can get a priest for that healing spot which is a win

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but you will most likely be the last to get gear cuz warrs will be geared first

maiden river
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gotcha thanks

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then i guess paladin will be leveled at a later time and first will be hunter

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main goal of classic: get the legendary bow

idle kite
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Its actually just an epic one... the first legendary bow is in tbc sunwell

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But it is a sweet quest

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Only legendaries in vanilla are thunderfury, sulfurons hammer, atiesh.

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There is one more neck and mount but not really important

maiden river
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oh? i thought it was legendary

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damn, guess you're right. Ah well, still a goal nonetheless

proper walrus
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guys are the giveaways exclusive to USA?

idle kite
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nope

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read the whole description

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depends on the giveaway though.. but this is international

proper walrus
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thanks

maiden river
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after looking at stuff from vanilla, i think i'll be leveling a night elf hunter since humans can't be hunters.

maiden river
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Can night elfs be hunters in vanilla?

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Also, remember that you have the good old mana. Lol

tiny nymph
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Yes, Night Elves could always be hunters

maiden river
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Aah oki

tiny nymph
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The classes they can't be in Vanilla is Paladin, Shaman, Mage and Warlock

maiden river
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👌

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Thnx

woven rock
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first thing im doing is making my dwarf hunter

maiden river
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Nelfs cant even be paladins now Lmao

tiny nymph
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Neither can they be Shamans or Warlocks, I just listed the ones they couldn't be during Classic, which this channel is for.. so yaknow

maiden river
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I know but you made it seem as if they could be any of those now.. I think people could see what classes we have now and put 2 and 2 together.

maiden river
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I recently looked at the scarab scepter questline

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Good....fookin....lord

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I'm gonna do it.

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Hopefully, cause the head drops for 1 person lol

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But man. That's the kind of quest I dream to complete on time.

maiden river
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If they implement it, I guess it will be kind of a rush target for many people

idle kite
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It will be very hard to achieve... cuz for a lot of parts you will need a 40 man raid group and only one will loot the item. The world bosses will be the worst to get.

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But yeah... most will try to start it and stop at the rep grind... think you need 3000 tokens for the rep... aka about 3000 kills of the same mob while others will try to do the same...

maiden river
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The grind gate is a problem (especially motivating others to help you)

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But I think it would be possible to close out the questline for multiple groups before the big collection of materials is done

strong glacier
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When our guild did it, we literally picked 1 person in the guild. I'm sure there people trying on their own, but we were one of the 2 guilds that opened AQ back then and wow, what a 10hr crash-fest it was on Aerie Peak. Every crash, there was a wait to get back in, sometimes it took an hour!
I'd do it again tho!

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To top it all off, I did Not have all my stuff together for the title 😦

fluid kite
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I actually enjoyed the long server event before the gates opened

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it was nice to have the feeling to participate to an event of that scale

idle kite
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You dont get the other quests if you dont have the rep... you are hated status with the q giver... so the 3k mob grind is at the beggining... then are the raid runs.

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Watch madseasons 3 scarab sceptor videos... he explains the q chain step by step

maiden river
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I wonder if people would want the old honor ranking system from vanilla to stay there in classic

idle kite
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From what i heard people who already did the rank 14 grind dont want it back, and those who didnt do want it back. Ironic

maiden river
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that's pretty great

maiden river
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Well, I think people who did lower ranks just underestimate how much more difficult it got for the higher ones

lime raft
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classic confirmed 2022

bright root
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Lame

maiden river
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Lol wut

bright root
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@lime raft any comfirming materials? Links?

lime raft
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well

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i can tell you this

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1 person is working on it

bright root
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Dont be silly.. How u get that info? And if its true.. Blizzurd plz, ask guys who run own semi-pro development vanilla private servers.. They sometimes know own job when you not lit

vernal kettle
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Let's not be calling things confirmed that are conjecture. Thanks.

lime raft
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😦

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but asmongold said iiit

finite arch
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yea since he is a reliable source ....

lime raft
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well

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he may be a troll but

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blizzard likes him c:

finite arch
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They said at BlizzCon that they already had guys on it which were able to setup a running classic server. Also they posted on Blizzards Job site multiple job openings for it, which all have been closed. So the statement that 1 guy is working on it can't be further from the true.

lime raft
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i failed

green zealot
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I'd much rather wait a few years and get an amazing product, than getting to play next week. You know? :)

wide osprey
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no

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me no wait, me play now

maiden river
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you can play wow

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just not classic

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get cucked

maiden river
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oof

abstract remnant
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No more monk.. welp back to sub rogue it is >:)

wild epoch
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Good evening

bright root
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Any thoughs about shaman 5/10man tanking?

idle kite
bright root
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Yas, i saw it, thats reason why i ask :) cuz sounds inteteresting

maiden river
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Would anyone happen to know where I can find more info on classic WoW like when it is coming out or what I need to do to get ready for it?

meager dock
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Nope, you can't find that info because it isn't out anywhere @maiden river
We'll hear more about it when blizzard is ready to tell us more about it, probably mid BFA at the earliest imo

maiden river
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@meager dock Ok and thank you very much for letting me know

teal spruce
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Well, I would think there would be some news at Blizzcon this year, but who knows really?

bright root
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I hope so, but everyone knows Blizzurd.. They give us some info and release yr will be propably 2020 (imho)

broken olive
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/me reads up

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Ah, classic. I remember we once spent most of Saturday on one Scholomance run. With people joining and leaving. It was fun (to do once) 😋

idle kite
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Lol... farming scholo as a lock for the epic staff from master gandling... good times 😂 .... the very def of burning yourself out.

lavish fiber
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start to memorize those prebis lists for each patch

bright root
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YAS :D but for me it is still true ;) cuz twinking and these fkin shadow panters

idle kite
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loool

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stv flashbacks :))

woven rock
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im thinking of going druid

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but idk.

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maybe feral dps

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definately not healer

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fek that

bright root
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Ppl can try new playstyle, but majority just will accepted "only true way, cuz for rest isnt in game tier sets"..
But yas, i wanna made shamy tank

woven rock
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ive seen sham tank in dungeons before

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and it worked out pretty well

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being viable in vanilla was more about how dedicated you are and how far you're willing to go to make yourself viable

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having the right gear, talents, buffs, enchants, rotation

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thats what made vanilla great

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it was an rpg

maiden river
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Meh. You can be viable but why the hell would anyone take the risk lo

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Lol

idle kite
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most wont... some will.

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thats what guilds are for

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find like minded people and have fun

fervent meadow
woven rock
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The risk is part of the fun

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Why be another dime a dozen when you can be unique

idle kite
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Thats wrath... not classic. Wrath version is easier then classic.

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But yeah... first time i ever cleared it as well. 👌

undone spire
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Flying through old zones and thinking about classic literally made me start drooling

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If I stay any longer I'll probably start foaming at the mouth or something

woven rock
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tbh im not sure what class im gonna start with

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my top 5 are hunter, druid, warrior, rogue, warlock

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in that order

maiden river
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Mage. Gotta get them aoe farms goin

idle kite
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Im going to go with pala then rogue then mage then we will see, prob lock or warr

maiden river
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Mankrik's Wife

agile crane
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Mankrik's Wife gets rekt in the Barrens, you should prpbably go to another zone as that class

woven rock
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mage?

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bah.

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if you want to cast frostbolt for the entire time you play classic

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go ahead

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im not doin that

fair karma
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Ah, the prospect of looting every individual corpse when farming.
Thrilling, truly.

idle kite
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ooo yeah... totally a deal breaker... needing to click shift on multiple corpses. lol

woven rock
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Pretty sure skyrim makes you loot every corpse individually, dont see any complaints about that

torn cairn
#

I have got a hard ass question

bright root
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So?

torn cairn
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I need an expert

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i have a question bout professions

bright root
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Why u just dont ask :D

stark tangle
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Whoever banned me from offtopic and giveaway submissions?

tiny nymph
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You're not banned/muted personally, it's a restriction of which roles can post.

next sphinx
#

^

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due to spam

stark tangle
#

And for whatever reason?

next sphinx
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please keep this for classic wow discussion only

stark tangle
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What spam? 1 screenshot per giveaway submissions

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And that's all I said on this server

next sphinx
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it isn't just you. It's everyone.

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Because of the everyone ping, people started spamming. We closed the channel because of that. not because of you personally

tiny nymph
next sphinx
#

and now, continue the classic wow discussion please

stark tangle
#

So, any news of alpha?

bronze skiff
#

Dont expect any news on classic until blizzcon

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Dont expect classic until like 2020

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Lol

inner leaf
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do you guys play on any private classic servers?

tiny nymph
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private servers are not to be discussed here

vernal sparrow
#

Ooooh yeah Frostbolt simulator

unkempt dune
#

Classic probably will be their clutch when they slow down content wise of what to put out, which honestly I don't mind too much. Rather then use it as a time waster over rushing something out.

halcyon tartan
#

Wait but will we have to pay a separate subscription for wow classic ?

bright root
#

who know.. khadgarface

woven rock
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nah

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classic will no doubt share a sub with retail

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but you'll probably have to buy it

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like a one time buy thing

visual plank
#

I'd be somewhat surprised (not very, just somewhat) if people had to pay a second time if they bought the base game retail.

woven rock
#

Dude the base game costs what

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3 dollars? By itself

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You can compare a gameboy color cartridge to it

uneven granite
#

actually, they are over 3 dollars 😉 Over here anyway

idle kite
#

If it is like that it will be 15$ for sure. But i dont see it going that way... they said a classic server option... as in option like dif language servers option. So i think its just going to be in the sub.

woven rock
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How would that be implemented?

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That means they'd have to make multiple servers for multiple countries

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American, Australian, Russian, Chinese, German, Turkish, France etc

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And because classic didnt have cross-realm thats gonna be hard.

idle kite
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They will 100% have multiple realms with dif languages. Most gaming companies do that, especially blizz. And i dont see a problem... just make more realms and separate them by a tab as the tournament realms or ptr realms.

tepid glacier
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im sorry to say that but i dont think classic will be our good vanilla

tired stone
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of course not, vanilla is idolized. Its not going to be what people remember playing. But, it is going to be vanilla.

bright root
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Lot of ppl still play it on p servers and isnt cuz idol status

hollow junco
#

I hope you're gonna play Vanilla right bois

maiden river
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Watch it not be able to run it

hollow junco
#

oof

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That would suckkkkk

visual plank
#

That case doe.

sleek pike
#

i want that pc and to get d2 d1 and classic on it and say its my good computer

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and sit it next to my 1080ti 7700k 16gb ram pc

tall robin
#

Truly, a monster 👌

lavish fiber
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640x480, at least 150 ping, all low

royal quail
#

Awwww

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Yeah

blissful ginkgo
#

That's real nice

woven widget
idle kite
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it was

woven rock
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Vanilla never had any kind of quest markers on the map.

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Only through addons like questie could you have that

woven widget
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o3o

rose solar
#

Very interesting information in there 😃

tired stone
#

I was hoping for some kind of time frame, even if its a year or two, but I suppose it is still way to early for that

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I like that they are going to go with a modern infrastructure, instead of modernizing the previous infrustucture

woven rock
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We're gonna see classic after this years blizzcon

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If not January next year

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Probably.

tired stone
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Im in no rush for it to be honest, I want it to work more than anything.

woven rock
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it'll work

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it doesnt take much for classic to work

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it just takes a lot for it to work initally

tired stone
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I image in is just a lot of data rewriting, making sure the databases are working together and all the information behind the scenes is going to the right places.

lime raft
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its probs not gonna take long to finish

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if they already have the whole game done and they just need to put the finishing touches on it

flint dune
#

There was an update about Classic today I believe

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And it doesn't seem like it's almost done

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It ain't easy.

grizzled juniper
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They need to make it compatible with our current hardware

idle kite
#

Addons were a thing back then as well... sure not questie... but cartographer was, and it had the markers

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Oooo a classic update... need to read that

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Incoming videos from all the classic youtubers in 3... 2... 1... go 😂

idle kite
#

Boooooo... its going to be only 1.12 patch. No 1.1 to 1.12 progression.

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Still good they are going no changes route

tired stone
#

I just wander what sort of progression they are going to do... are they going to do patch releases similar to vanilla, leading to redoing TBC and then WOTLK

meager dock
#

Remember carbonite alexx? lol
I remember that addon from BC, not sure if it was made then or in vanilla

chrome badge
#

Ah, Vanilla.

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When Deadmines was all elites.

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Yoink!

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Thanks for the coins.

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Anyways.

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Westfall, when you had gold farmers standing in one spot just killing boars, endlessly.

maiden river
#

So, I just read the dev watercooler about classic. Did I read it right, that they're going to run it on the modern-day engine, with classic-era textures and data?

idle kite
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Yes

earnest sequoia
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Kinda hate we are not going to see the brutalness of 10 man Scholo/Strate pre-nerf, but I'll take what I can get

idle kite
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Same

lime raft
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they shuld make all the raids harder

idle kite
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I wanted to see the old talents

lime raft
#

so everything isnt cleared in 2 weeks

maiden river
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Well,if they don't get rid of the entry requirements it will probably take a while for AQ to be cleared

grizzled juniper
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Dont think AQ will be opened by default

hollow junco
#

My money is on 2020 launch

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sounds cooler.

lime raft
#

my money is on late 2019 launch

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and i hope im right cuz i litteraly bet money on it

woven rock
#

My money is on blizzcon

maiden river
#

My money is on closed alpha on Blizzcon.

lime raft
#

When is blizzcon 2018

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:o

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🤔

meager dock
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Early november

grizzled juniper
#

2morrow

summer dagger
#

does the classic server starts at the same time like bfa?

grizzled juniper
#

No

fiery pumice
#

It will probably take quite alot of time before classic comes out but they are definitely working on it

lime raft
#

classic confirmed coming out in the next 5 years

steep pewter
#

Where is the proof

cedar gust
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(Wrong tab)

lime raft
#

the proof is right here

maiden river
#

I think the bosses mechanics will be reworked

woven widget
#

Then people will get mad about the game being different

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Unless they literally make each boss mathematically impossible without 60 people

sharp grove
#

That was the true beauty of Vanilla WoW though lol

bright root
#

Meh.. And also we got game client for "last months before BC".. No talent/item/build changes...just opening content will be gr8.. But many things will be more EZ, if we can get some gear what isnt obtainable in time of original progress..
Still we will see and just w8 till Bcon

hexed finch
#

the problem is,the bosses mechanics are laughably easy,and we have a lot of extra knowledge know rather than in 2004,so it can feel off very easily

earnest sequoia
#

Most of them were just very resistance gear-required too

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but for the most part, yeah, they were pretty much all tank and spank

#

maybe "move away from the group" every so often (Baron G.) or some other kind of gimmick like Garr, locks would have their voidwalkers out to tank smaller adds

idle kite
#

Neah... banishing them is the best way to do garr

tired pagoda
#

hey wowhead

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can u remove urself for classic tt

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ty

neon token
#

🧐

maiden river
#

i hope that since classic will be built off the 1.12 patch we get all the quests that are in it as well

woven rock
#

Nah they're gonna replace all the vanilla quests with legion world quests

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And the only reward you get is a single silver

grizzled juniper
#

OOF

craggy hull
faint tapir
woven widget
#

@maiden river they already said that

maiden river
#

even silithus quests?

woven widget
#

Shrugarony

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@maiden river they already said it would be 1.12 though

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Or whichever one they added cross realm PvP queues

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Drums of war or whatever

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March of war

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Something

grizzled juniper
#

tmw bandage healing for when your mana went out

maiden river
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Yeet

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And then hit by aoe so its useless

woven widget
#

I thought bandages couldn't be used midcombat

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Or can they in vanilla?

maiden river
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they can be but are interrupted when damage is taken

maiden river
#

^

grizzled juniper
#

bubblehearth pallies again?