no-wow-discussion

[jolly nexus]

i wouldnt be surprised if they did do what was said but i aint gonna speak about it if theres no hard evidence of them doing it

[fading plaza]

It wouldnt be surprising for this shit to happen inside blizzard, for far too many years, blizzard have been a dick to employees and overall a really bad company to work for

[little sluice]

im not saying it is not true or it is. im just saying no evidence has been provided. im all for being pissed at blizzard if true, but going to wait until the law decides. I can believe it too, gaming industry is a wild place

[fading plaza]

Agree

[crude lynx]

Yes, that is not really what we have been against either, what we have said is that so far it is too early to act because we do not have any actual evidence shown yet, therefore the rational thing to do would be to wait for the evidence to be shown and act appropriately afterwards. It might very well be that the company has done everything exactly as in the lawsuit but the lawsuit might also not be fully factual

However some people apparently find that due process should not be followed

[little sluice]

anyways yall watch the new loki series?

[crude lynx]

No, do not watch much TV/series/movies is it good?

[little sluice]

It is very good. honestly better than I expected

[covert meteor]

I think it's pretty good

Same, better than expected

[crude lynx]

Hmm, might have to take a look (when I can pull myself from games, warhammer and books that is)

[tight hazel]

You seem pretty sure that it’s false.

What evidence do you have or what claims can you dispute?

[covert meteor]

Maybe I mispoke. I agree with everyone else here that we need to wait for the full evidence. There I was just pointing out that in the past when these things happen, like huge allegations against companies or people, there are a lot of outraged people who immediately assume guilty before the facts come out. Then if it ever comes out that the inital claim was exaggerated or outright false, they are completly silent.

[tight hazel]

You do realize a trend in eyewitness reports from previous employees and anonymous reports from victims is considered evidence, right?

[ivory horizon]

Here's the thing.

Saying "none of this happened and Blizzard is completely innocent" is really just as bad as whatever Philly is getting at.

[covert meteor]

I do realize that is evidence, but so far nobody has been able to bring anything forward as evidence that isnt part of the lawsuit. So until then, that example of evidence hasnt been provided.

[covert meteor]

I agree. Jumping to any conclusion here without the facts is bad. That's why I said I mispoke, just pointing out that people tend to jump towards guilty and never retrack that statement even if evidence against it comes out.

In contrast, people who wait for all the facts tend to side with whatever the truth comes out to be.

[tight hazel]

Ah, gotcha.

Well, we shall see, indeed.

[covert meteor]

Yes we shall see, my bad for the misspeak. I sounded like I was certain that Blizzard is innocent. Which might not be true at all.

[ivory horizon]

Right, there hasn't been any evidence brought forward. It is Just the first day since the suit has been filed.

And again, I really really want to stress that even if this goes to court, even if it is settled out of court or even if the suit is dismissed - that alone does not absolve Blizzard or Activision of any wrong doing.

[serene vale]

The sad part will be the people who had nothing to do with this who work for Blizzard get backlash.

[covert meteor]

Yup. Very true. Even if the whole suit was totally factual, there is a huge portion of Blizzard employees who will get massive hate despite having nothing to do with any of it.

[ivory horizon]

I won't try to speak for anyone else, but what I will say is that while I do believe in the general ideas of the US justice system let's not pretend that it's a perfect system, because it is far from it.

Let's not pretend like we're not all familiar with people like Brock Turner for example. The system is incredibly flawed.

[covert meteor]

Yes, true. But also there is the opposite like the situation with Riot and their CEO. Where the accusor came out months later and admitted it was all for money.

[ivory horizon]

While I can't say I'm familiar with the Riot case specifically, on the whole I believe false cases like that are less likely.

But that's my opinion.

Even still, the circumstances of what happened in the Riot case shouldn't invalidate what may/may not have happened at Blizz/Acti - but I think it's in everyone's best interest to avoid saying "that didn't happen" or "there's no evidence" - we don't know, we weren't there, that's what the case is to determine and that's when evidence will be brought forth.

[crude lynx]

Yes, this is part of what I have tried to say and what most people seemed to agree on, this is so early that so far we have not seen any solid evidence yet and as such it is too early to condemn blizzard fully. Is it likely that there are issues but the question is not only if there are issues but also if it truly is as bad as stated in the investigation, because any action taken needs to be at least somewhat proportionate. While the lawsuit itself will be used as evidence so far we have nothing else to back it up which means that today it cannot be seen as factual evidence. That is after all a large part of the trial (is it still named a trial in a civil suit?), showing that your statements are true. I have tried to merely advocate for not reacting hastily and condemning blizzard like they were the devil before we know more, my sincere apologies if anybody has misunderstood me and gotten upset, thinking I in any way condone behaviour such as described in the lawsuit.

[ivory horizon]

I'm not directing my statement at anyone in particular.

I do appreciate that @covert meteor did say they misspoke earlier. My statement was just intended as a general address of everyone

[little sluice]

yeah kudos to @covert meteor for backtracking. takes a good person to say something like that

[crude lynx]

Yes, my apologies again, I should have divided my post, my first part was meant as a response agreeing to your post.

I am not all that used to this kind of discussion in mediums such as discord I am afraid

[ivory horizon]

@crude lynx I don't think you've done/said anything wrong, IMO, but I appreciate the sentiment of trying to make sure things are worded correctly. Tone/intention can sometimes be hard to communicate through any text medium

[crude lynx]

Thank you, I try to make sure I word everything correctly but I know that my language when using english is an awful mix between what I use in my work (IT) and some quite archaic words and patterns

[ivory horizon]

No worries

[crude lynx]

I also must admit that I have a bit of an issue with people claiming something as fact and then refusing to explain or prove why in a logical manner which might have contributed to my general insistence on waiting for more information before action should be taken

[rich bobcat]

Whats going on with blizzard?

[hardy forge]

very serious allegationss about sexual harassment of female employees

[crude lynx]

They are being sued for some quite serious charges, mainly sexual harassment but also discrimination

[rich bobcat]

oh

if blizzard couldnt get worse ;-;

[ivory horizon]

Now one thing I will say, and this just another wrinkle for the whole situation - is I've seen a lot of people on Twitter that are former Blizz/Acti that are backing up at least the claims about what the overall culture and lack of decorum from the suit.

[timber crag]

To be fair, the lawsuits are over investigations that were years ago and apparently action has already been taken since then

[rich bobcat]

i mean

Murder doesnt expire within a couple years either

[crude lynx]

Yes, the twitter posts about the general culture is a bit damning, which points towards there being at least some credibility behind the suit

[rich bobcat]

After 4 years if they find out then you're still fucked

[timber crag]

True, but you usually don't take a murderer to trial after they've already been tried and sentenced

[rich bobcat]

Exact same case here, it happened 2 years ago or whatever happened within those 2 years until now

[hardy forge]

the bad PR ontop of the "streamers moving over to 14" could be a hefty combo punch

[rich bobcat]

And now the state caught up with them

[hardy forge]

to blizz in general,but it rests to be seen

[rich bobcat]

haha

FF14 with this is gonna hurt them hardddd

[hardy forge]

i'm repeating myself for the 5th time today,
but Rockstar,ubisoft and riot all got the same type of harassment lawsuit

and literally nothing changed and nothing happened

[rich bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-adorable-punch-combo-gif-17282130

[hardy forge]

the companies went "hey look at our new games" and swept it under the rug,and "everyone" forgot aboout it,in under a week

[rich bobcat]

@hardy forge yep but not as bad as blizzard

[timber crag]

Didn't you read the whole thing about FF14's director talking out against the hate on WoW

[crude lynx]

The thing is @rich bobcat that this suit is very new and as such we have not yet seen more than the suit itself, a badly written PR response and then some twitter posts about part of the suit being correct, I and some others have expressed the opinion that we should not be too hasty with condemning because everything in the suit might not actually be correct, instead we should wait until more is actually known before taking action

[rich bobcat]

like sorry but taking pictures of a passed womens genitals and spreading that isnt something ive seen anywhere

[hardy forge]

she wasnt passed at the time that happened

[rich bobcat]

Wasnt there some thing about that someone posted some womens genitals after her passing?

[timber crag]

I feel like we're gonna have another case of the court of public opinion getting too jumpy

[crude lynx]

No, the investigation states that she committed suicide during a business trip partially because of that

[rich bobcat]

in either case

its fucked up

[crude lynx]

But no corroborating proof for anything except the general culture being bad has so far shown up, most likely because it is still very early

[hardy forge]

that is literally the reason twitter exists

[rich bobcat]

Dunno if its really suicide in that case

You're sending someone to their grave

[ivory horizon]

My understanding of that aspect of the case is that occurred while she was alive and on the trip wherein she took her life

[hardy forge]

still counts as suicide in courtt

[rich bobcat]

Thats gonna backfire if they really put suicide on that

[timber crag]

Well I guess we'll have to see how the actual case is handled

Instead of getting all jumpy

[rich bobcat]

Anyways idk how the states operate

[crude lynx]

Well from what is written in the investigation law enforcement has already been involved in the suicide case

[rich bobcat]

As far as i know of its a mess

[covert meteor]

Yeah, step 1, let the courts with all the evidence from both sides sort it out.

[crude lynx]

Yes, then we can condemn them for what they actually did or did not do.

[timber crag]

Maybe avoid having overcharged armchair lawyers make judgements online, too

[rich bobcat]

Explains why the game has been so shit ay xD

[ivory horizon]

Likely the individual responsible for the bulk of the sexual harassment [the dude who brought sex toys and lube on that business trip and may have been responsible for those pics getting passed around] would face some sort of serious punishment if found guilty, but I don't think what happened there could be classified as anything but suicide beyond the actual harassment

[timber crag]

Didn't you quit, Peach

Like, halfway through changing covenants

[rich bobcat]

I played since sl launch until 5 months ago yea

[hardy forge]

what do you mean, social media is ONLY reactionary culture

twitter is not social media it's a propaganda spreading machine

[regal horizon]

Such is the case.

[timber crag]

Mhm

[covert meteor]

Yeah and if this is the case it has more to do with one individuals extremely shitty (even criminal) behavior and not a rampant company culture

[rich bobcat]

@covert meteor alot more has happened, just gotta wait for more women to come forward

[covert meteor]

Where is the evidence of that?

Sounds like speculation

[rich bobcat]

Always happens

[regal horizon]

The best stance to take is skepticism with an open mind and willingness to see it through. You can't jump to its either all true or all false. You must remain unbiased and approach this case with healthy skepticism whilst taking the allegations seriously.

[covert meteor]

100%. This is the right mindset

[timber crag]

I feel like you've already made up your mind without waiting for the case to move forward. That's a really dangerous form of mob mentality you're showing off

[rich bobcat]

wdym like i have made up my mind lol

[ivory horizon]

Okay, so talking about that....I mean. If those photos are being passed around by your coworkers and no one is putting a stop to it - then that's a rampant company culture and well beyond just one individual's behavior. That indicates that those employees have no qualms about sharing nude photos of the individual without their consent

[rich bobcat]

It just always happens, after a given period, more people will come forward with their stories

Its not like making up my mind

[timber crag]

...

[rich bobcat]

Look at past experiences with the same thing lmao

[covert meteor]

Kinda sounds like your mind is made that everything that was alleged is 100% factual.

There are past experiences where things were overblown and untrue...

[rich bobcat]

Dunno we'll see in court whats right and whats wrong

[covert meteor]

Exactly

We will see once it all is sorted out in court

[crude lynx]

Well I have an old colleague who was accused of sexual harassment when he was not even in the country, that sometimes happens as well

[hardy forge]

i feel there is not enough peach-emojis in your status

[crude lynx]

Which is one of the reasons I am a very strong proponent for waiting for more evidence before acting

[rich bobcat]

@hardy forge ikr

[ivory horizon]

It isn't impossible for more folks to come forward or to bring new things to light - and usually in cases like this, you do see more people coming forward once the suit is brought.

That isn't the same thing as saying stuff did or didn't happen etc

[rich bobcat]

Thats what im trying to say

[covert meteor]

But also isnt this from 2 years+ ago? Would've thought they would've come out by now.

[timber crag]

People will also come forward with fake stories too

[regal horizon]

I mean, you can say that, but its not a catch all. Need I remind you of the tragic Alec Holowka incident?

[shadow vigil]

That isnt how the world works

Look at the pile of steaming shit that is the smash community

[rich bobcat]

@regal horizon i have no idea who that is

[covert meteor]

Not familiar with the smash community, can you send a link or something?

[radiant kiln]

The lawsuit is the end result of a 2 year investigation. Started because of events like these

[shadow vigil]

tldr multiple smash content creators have been outed as pedos/sexual abusers

[ivory horizon]

You would hope, but sometimes people don't come forward immediately. There's a number of different factors that could be the reason why.

[regal horizon]

Someone Zoe Quinn falsely accused of doing awful stuff, ruined his career and caused him to commit suicide.

[shadow vigil]

some shit from years ago

[regal horizon]

The Smash community has a real issue with that shit xD

[shadow vigil]

I’m not really into the smash community myself

[rich bobcat]

i see

[shadow vigil]

But its pretty well known

[regal horizon]

It's always the most politically outspoken people too

XD

[shadow vigil]

Anyway

Not gonna jump on the hate train

But this is a fucking state investigation

This isnt random people from the company who were fired

[rich bobcat]

Yea its not 1 person coming forward xD

[shadow vigil]

Realistically, jackshits going to happen

[regal horizon]

This doesnt give it more or less credibility tho.

[shadow vigil]

I dont get how the fuck this became a civil lawsuit

It absolutely does

[timber crag]

A state organization running a civil suit

[shadow vigil]

anyway

[timber crag]

I don't think you know how often that happens for trivial reasons

[shadow vigil]

I meant

[regal horizon]

States file shite lawsuits all the time.

I do, however, wish to see where this goes but do not give something more credit because it's by the State.

[covert meteor]

Agreed with @regal horizon , often times these massive public investigations or lawsuits are politically motivated or motivated by something other than simply looking for the truth.

[shadow vigil]

How did this not turn into a criminal lawsuit

[covert meteor]

No such thing as a criminal lawsuit.

[timber crag]

I've had the state sue me for a license plate issue because they incorrectly thought my car was a different car

[covert meteor]

But if you mean criminal case, they would need more evidence for that.

[shadow vigil]

criminal case sure

If the allegations are legitimate

[covert meteor]

Lawsuits can be brought forward with 0 evidence, and also getting a conviction in a civil case only requires 51% perponderance of evidence

[shadow vigil]

and there was proof of what was pretty much rape

[covert meteor]

So why not bring forward criminal charges?

IF they had the evidence, they would bring forward criminal charges.

[regal horizon]

Again, this is the correct approach to take for this lawsuit. Healthy skepticism whilst taking the allegations seriously.

[shadow vigil]

hmm

well we’ll see

[timber crag]

And if they find that it's the fault of the individual VS the company itself, the suite will fail because it's against the company

[shadow vigil]

No real point in being armchair lawyers on the internet

its a civil lawsuit

[rich bobcat]

and where was this actually? like specifically in the wow team section?

[regal horizon]

Big true

[shadow vigil]

Blizz will just settle it out of court

[timber crag]

That's not how it works with the state

[shadow vigil]

Huh

Does it not?

[regal horizon]

Reminder, settlements are neither admissions of guilt nor absolution of guilt.

[ivory horizon]

Bingo

Best thing to do is to sit and watch the whole thing unfold.

[shadow vigil]

anyway off to FF14

[timber crag]

It's gonna be hard asking people not to hitch their emotions onto bandwagons though, due to the nature of social media and the ignorant

[rich bobcat]

@shadow vigil have fun!!!

[shadow vigil]

ping me when sylvanas is kil

[timber crag]

Bye Felicia

[shadow vigil]

[regal horizon]

[fresh osprey]

Criminal charges rely on evidence without doubt

If requires more than testimonies even if you theoretically have hundreds of them

[regal horizon]

This

[fresh osprey]

You need physical evidence like videos or recordings

Which are especially difficult to come by without a warrant

Which would be unlikely to be granted for this type of case

[timber crag]

i have a doctors appointment in an hour and im not sure what ill tell them

im not sure what im experiencing but i cant push myself to be productive any day

[covert meteor]

Yeah exactly that was my point. They are doing a civil trial due to the nature of the case, which by definition has less evidence. Think somebody asked why it wasnt a criminal case.

[timber crag]

Start with "hi, doctor"

[little sluice]

maybe just tell them that

[timber crag]

Also this

Doc can only act on what you tell them

[covert meteor]

True, try to be honest with your doctor. They cant read your mind

[little sluice]

yup and doctors are there to help too

[timber crag]

If the doc was able to read your mind they'd probably be a really expensive doc

[covert meteor]

haha yeah that would be quite the bill

except for @jolly nexus they don't pay for doctors

[timber crag]

That dude would have an A-list clientele for sure

[jolly nexus]

[covert meteor]

Wasn't there a black mirror episode about this?

[little sluice]

the one with the pig?

[timber crag]

Almost every episodic sci-fi show has at least one episode like that

[covert meteor]

no that's literally just the first episode

[little sluice]

hmm curious

[covert meteor]

this guy @little sluice such a goofball

[little sluice]

god im so goofy

[timber crag]

Speaking of mind reading and doctors:

im not ready for this doctors visit

[jolly nexus]

Even if you don’t want to it’s best to go and get it over with

[regal horizon]

[timber crag]

well im here at the office

just gonna tell them what i want but i cant achieve

[viscid sinew]

Lol

[serene oracle]

In other news related to activision/blizzard.....

[covert meteor]

Why u use that font tho

I remember rocking that font back in 2014

[timber crag]

Imagine waking up and brushing yo teeth just to play lacrosse LMAOOO 😭 😭

[little sluice]

where did you get lacrosse from? did I miss something or you just making a statement?

[covert meteor]

Right? kinda came out of no where

Also i brush my teeth regardless of what is going on that day, so should you

[timber crag]

just a tweet i made

[little sluice]

ahh

what is wrong with lacrosse?

[jolly nexus]

its lacrosse

enough said

[regal horizon]

https://twitter.com/WholesomeMeme/status/1418254518937083908?s=20

WholesomeMemes (@WholesomeMeme)

https://t.co/hQvW11IVQw

Retweets

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Likes

17277

Twitter · Jul 22, 2021, 5:00 PM

[ornate grove]

Guys has anyone played runescape and doesnt play anymore?

[timber crag]

yo wowhead app?

[lean coral]

[fallen nexus]

I’m unsure of what’s wrong with Lacrosse.

I definitely brush my teeth twice a day, and definitely before I play Golf.

[tough escarp]

Always have fresh breath when golfing.

[forest egret]

Activision Blizzard is a trash company, I dont even want to touch this garbage after what I've seen and heard

[frosty tundra]

huh?

[forest egret]

Sorry I had to vent

[frosty tundra]

About who?

[forest egret]

Blizzard

[frosty tundra]

I see. Context helps. Carry on.

[timber crag]

Activision Blizzard*

looks like things went kind downhill after that

[tough escarp]

I thought you meant wowhead omg

[forest egret]

nono

Let me edit it then

[tough escarp]

I was just kidding.
But yeah. This is really bad...
I hope this law suit will cause some change.

[timber crag]

lawsuit?

[finite dock]

hiya

[tough escarp]

Yep. From what I read they'll be sued now.

[forest egret]

I just hope so much that it will change it for Feking good

[timber crag]

I heard they have very good legal department

[forest egret]

I just cant anymore

Where is the game I grew up on

Just where...

[tough escarp]

The legal department won't be able to prevent that shitstorm that's hitting them now

[timber crag]

Oh trust me, money turns things around

found this regarding a lawsuit against Activision Blizzard https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/activision-blizzard-sued-by-california-over-frat-boy-culture

[tough escarp]

And imagine the shitstorm if they keep denying their failures in court.

That's what I'm thinking. If I'm an investor I would not want to hear that the company my money is in gets dragged into court about discrimination

So they'll have to make some explanations.

[timber crag]

tbh I bet investors dont care that much?

[forest egret]

How many feking times will they make THE SAME MISTAKE?

Just how many

[timber crag]

the lockdown creates such a high demand for gaming, Activision Blizzard big publisher yielding big profts

it all comes down to the money

Check this lmao:

According to the complaint, filed Tuesday in the Los Angeles Superior Court, female employees make up around 20% of the Activision workforce, and are subjected to a “pervasive frat boy workplace culture,” including “cube crawls,” in which male employees “drink copious amounts of alcohol as they crawl their way through various cubicles in the office and often engage in inappropriate behavior toward female employees.”

[tough escarp]

Investors care a lot about surface noise. They don't want to be bothered with details. And they certainly don't want to read in Bloomberg News that their investment is causing civil outrage...

[timber crag]

Yeah if you see the claims in the article, I wouldn't like to put my money on the company after reading that hehe

[tough escarp]

I read most of the official document. This shit is bad. Like real bad.

And I assume this agency is trying to coach companies and warn them before going this path.

[jolly nexus]

[jolly nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/501582051229827092/867940794353455134/223767103_179694720877845_8087902108904900586_n.png

[glad grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/498643089636720670/867443326259953674/twegjMI.mp4

[lucid locust]

Hello

[rustic harness]

my blizzard account has been lost

there is no name attached to my account so i cant do anything anymore

and support keeps trying to ask for my birth certificate so i can verify that it is my account

[jolly nexus]

That’s all you can do tbh

What’s wrong with showing them ID?

[rustic harness]

not sure if i want to send my legal credentials over the internet

i tried to make a new account but i cant transfer my account balance over

[jolly nexus]

Aslong as they can see name and dob that’s all that should be needed, their shouldn’t be any issues with sending it to blizz via their communication channels

[rustic harness]

oh really

thx

[timber crag]

anyone wanna be my gf?

[tough escarp]

You could zip the image and make it password protected.

But yeah. If you upload your ID through their website it's going to be HTTPS. Which means it's encrypted between your PC and their server. So nobody will be able to look at it outside of Blizzard Customer Service.

[novel tiger]

no way CS rep gonna download zip archive sent by a total stranger

[tough escarp]

??

they might not run an exe - but why wouldn't they open zip files?

[little sluice]

Yeah extracting a zip files won’t do anything. Only thing would be if a malicious file was in the zip but they would still have to manually run that file. Zips are safe

[covert meteor]

zips are safe for sure

funnily enough word/powerpoint documents are not safe

[tired elk]

Unsurprisingly, if you know what it can do. Still, with latest clients any advanced features are disabled by default until you allow it

[fallen nexus]

I assure you, no-one at Blizzard is going to open anything zipped.

I sure as hell won’t open anything zipped.

[tough escarp]

yeah but you arent in CS

[crude lynx]

Encrypted pdf should be fine otherwise, about as hard to embed bad stuff in as zip bit not a file archive format

[tough escarp]

I have regularly sent zip files to CS simply because shit is too big

[fallen nexus]

https://youtu.be/Lrle0x_DHBM

[crude lynx]

Then that should be fine

My suggestion was based on the fact some companies do not open compressed archives

[grave panther]

why is wowhead locking comments on the lawsuit news

[oblique portal]

What is the lawsuit about?

[arctic mist]

cuz they never do

[floral mesa]

we need female spaces to be able to talk about this with our counterparts

because that lawsuit was alot

[covert meteor]

counterparts?

like other women?

[floral mesa]

yes

other female identifying people

[arctic mist]

pretty much blizzard being run like a frat house or so the report says

[covert meteor]

Gotcha, maybe they should make a channel in this discord. Although not sure how you would verify peoples identity

[arctic mist]

i saw an article earlier pointing out the main gripes

[floral mesa]

its hard enough to play games online but to then have the entire cutlure be confirmed and to read how disgusting it truly got its hard to reconcile

[arctic mist]

i mean wowhead is locking its own article so they cant discuss it there

i doubt they will make a channel just for that

[covert meteor]

They certainly haven't stopped anybody from discussing it here

its been in this channel since the news dropped

[oblique portal]

So, blizzard headquarters has some sexual misconduct?

[floral mesa]

im just saying in general it woul;d be nice if we had a discord to talk about shit like this

[covert meteor]

That's what the lawsuit alleges yeah

[arctic mist]

apparently some is like the understatement of the wek

[oblique portal]

Lmfao

[floral mesa]

a female employee killed herself

[oblique portal]

What kind of shit was happening?

[oblique portal]

💀

That’s pretty bad

[arctic mist]

people going into work drunk

gropping

talking about raping said person

passing the buck to female workers to play games

[floral mesa]

besides the countless sexual harrasment you know whats on paper is only half as bad as what actually happened

no one has even started talking about their treatment of POC employees including men

its just all bad all shit i dont want to be apart of

[oblique portal]

Jesus lmfao

[arctic mist]

https://www.newsweek.com/activision-blizzard-lawsuit-female-employees-1612075 allegations are here

[oblique portal]

Ty for actually helping instead of filling the chat up with banter

[floral mesa]

theres npcs in the game named after Alex Afrasiabi a former employee who was named in the suit

[arctic mist]

it a long scroll down for the allegations lol

[oblique portal]

So, you think his NPC should he removed?

[timber crag]

I think the issue with wowhead locking the article is the type of discussion happening, such as people bandwagoning onto passing judgement onto an unfinished court case and devolving into an angry online mob, perhaps with a splash of people trolling the article and specifically trying to get a rise out of others

[floral mesa]

absolutely

[sterile python]

Not just that, but the lawsuit alleges that Afrasiabi was the John Lasseter of Blizzard in terms of sexually harrassing female employees all the time and no one did anything beyond a slap on his wrist

[oblique portal]

And wtf is that gonna change? Nothing lmfao

[oblique portal]

I agree

[floral mesa]

one of him sits in stormwind and then wrymcrest temple and then some items are named after him

[arctic mist]

i mean afrasiabi has been publicly recorded going into parties drunk and asking women to have sex with him lol

[oblique portal]

That’s so unprofessional

Especially working for a company like blizzard and activision

[covert meteor]

Yeah honestly can we get some criminal charges going? Then maybe later we can worry about removing an NPC that was inspired by the dude later

[arctic mist]

both the ceo and whatever his freaking name is... long hair hipster dude have had to pull him out and slap him in the wrist a few times

[timber crag]

He's no longer with the company, right

[sterile python]

J. Allen Brack

[floral mesa]

its a 2 year investigation from the state its hardly 'unfinished' yes no one has gone to jail yet

[arctic mist]

the whole lawsuit is because there are no criminal infractions towards all of this harrasment

[floral mesa]

but its pretty comprehensive

[oblique portal]

Exactly, who gives a flying fuck about an NPC? Shit is irrelevant, and honestly there should be no charge against the men that made jokes, or asked girls to fuck him? It’s not illegal. Now if he asked over and over, that’s harassment. But touching the women, that’s a crime.

[timber crag]

It's an investigation that's unfinished and not even culminated in a court case.

[arctic mist]

blizzard keeps saying they are doing stuff but yeah. stay at home with pay kind of situation "punishment "

[oblique portal]

Stay at home and get paid to play wow, slap on the wrist

[floral mesa]

lol i want his ass to rot in jail but its the fact thats hes in the game that really put in perspective how much these blizzard guys do not give a fuck

[oblique portal]

You make no sense.

Litterally

It’s an NPC in a 10 year old zone

That’s so irrelevant

[floral mesa]

its the fact thats hes an NPC period

[oblique portal]

Who cares though?

[floral mesa]

i dont care what you think is relevant or not relevant

or if you dont care

[oblique portal]

Charges should be the priority

Not an NPC lmfaooo

[floral mesa]

mansplain to me what should be the priority some more

love that

[oblique portal]

Charges if they did something illegal, coming into work drunk is unprofessional but isn’t illegal, making rape jokes, is unprofessional but not illegal

[arctic mist]

government dont lawsuit companies over little problems. the company that governs job and culture is probably getting constant complaints over blizzard .
you dont just "blame" a corporation tho. thats why it took 2 years to get to that point

[timber crag]

So are you in support of mob justice and reacting to the court of public opinion, or do you support due process of law and order?

[oblique portal]

Pipe down lil girl

[timber crag]

I’m angry about the employee who felt suicide was the only escape from the sexual harassment hell she was under.

[arctic mist]

they gave em 2 years for due process.

[floral mesa]

you pipe down little boy

[oblique portal]

The priority is convicting people who committed a crime

[oblique portal]

You pipe down lil girl

[floral mesa]

🙂

[timber crag]

Mob mentality, got it

[oblique portal]

I agree

[covert meteor]

chill out lol

[arctic mist]

gumball we all know you love blizzard but sometimes you gotta look at things from a wide perspective. also if youre going to come here and start name calling. maybe you should stay away from the discussion

[oblique portal]

Especially a company as big as blizzard should care about the mental health of its workers, and they obviously didn’t, so employees who committed crimes should be prosecuted for them

[timber crag]

I'm not defending Blizzard or calling names. I'm arguing for the promotion of due process and not becoming an angry mob

[floral mesa]

were hardly an angry ob

mob

[arctic mist]

dude stop you just wanna call names lol

[timber crag]

I struggle with suicidal ideation, and I had to move 2200 miles away from the depravities that have left me suicidal and suffering from PTSD.

It’s enraging that poor person ended their life because of the sexual harassment she suffered. How am I supposed to support a company that enabled that?

[timber crag]

??

[floral mesa]

one female person (me) starts expressing her opinion and suddenly this is what the priority should be, where is law and order? dont be an angry mob, like jesus christ stfu

[arctic mist]

you think calling people demanding progress after years of obv signs of abuse is " mob mentality "

grow up mate

[timber crag]

🙄

"don't call names"
"grow up"

[arctic mist]

now you got your 5 minutes. if you dont like what youre seeing you can walk away

[floral mesa]

again futhering proving my point that the culure in the workplace and even on a fucking discord is toxic male bullshit

[timber crag]

Ah, so I don't disagree with you so you'll just gaslight me

Dope

[floral mesa]

so fuck u gumball and fuck u too shawn

[timber crag]

??

[arctic mist]

nobody cares enough about you to gaslight but you keep bringing the conversation towards you.

[timber crag]

Lmao okay dude

[arctic mist]

hopefully this lawsuit falls in and blizzard gets fixed

[timber crag]

It’s like I have a statue of Lilith in anticipation of D4. I have a statue of Thrall. I’m a Blizzard super fan. And it’s all tainted now. My heart is fucking broken.

[arctic mist]

same

[floral mesa]

i know cth i feel you

[arctic mist]

trying to do some 15s and i just lost all fucking interest lol

i gotta lead a raid at night

[timber crag]

I just don’t see how I can play WoW or anything after this. I might as well dedicate my time to FFXIV. :/

[floral mesa]

im leaving for ff

idc if the pvp is shit

[arctic mist]

okay now youre being crazy

[oblique portal]

So it’s “toxic male bullshit” if your not put on a pedestal and your opinion not glorified

[floral mesa]

shawn shut the fuck up bro

[oblique portal]

😂😂😂

Stfu clown

[floral mesa]

like jusrt do urself a favor

[oblique portal]

Nah be quiet

[timber crag]

I dunno. Japan has a very dedicated work culture, but Square-Enix employees aren’t being driven to suicide.

[arctic mist]

not putting on a pedestal but like at least look at it and not shrug it off

[timber crag]

Oh fuck off Shawn

[oblique portal]

I did.

[floral mesa]

i will not be quiet ok?

[arctic mist]

how did it look

[floral mesa]

im not here to listen to you

[oblique portal]

Was all fine until, she came at me lmao

[arctic mist]

did she have a knife

[oblique portal]

Yes

🔪

[timber crag]

And you don't have to snap back like a woman hating stereotype

[floral mesa]

i came at you beecause of you starting mansplaining to me about the NPC situation like i even asked you opinion

i came at you because you told me to "pipe down lil girl"

[oblique portal]

I ain’t gonna sit back and have her say my opinion was “man splaining”

[floral mesa]

as though im some type of child

[oblique portal]

You were rude first

[arctic mist]

yall need to chilllll

[timber crag]

I’m sure the NPC and items will be addressed in the next patch or so.

[oblique portal]

I’m sure

[arctic mist]

i really fucking doubt it

[timber crag]

Do you whine back at a whining child? Cmon

[oblique portal]

You’re right, should just let the child whine

[timber crag]

Because they've never been known to remove NPCs featuring people that ran into shit later, eh?

You think they’re going to keep em as is? That would just drive the outraged players out of the game.

That's neeever happened

[floral mesa]

you were telling me what the priority should be "i.e we should be pressing for charges" idc what u think the priority should be, and thats why its mansplaining lol

[arctic mist]

no because afrasiavi ( w.e his name is ) is a corner stone of the company

[oblique portal]

Get past it lmfao, child mentality, we don’t agree. Move on.

[timber crag]

WoW is definitely not going to reach the heights it once rested at.

[oblique portal]

Their going to remove the NPC if found guilty

[floral mesa]

im explaining to you why its mansplaining lol

its fine

[oblique portal]

And I didn’t ask lmfao

So move on

Jesus

😂

[floral mesa]

i dont expect you or really any men to understand

[timber crag]

There is a little irony to mansplaining mansplaining

What’s going on, samchords?

[arctic mist]

its like america bringing all of the racist statues down. it would prove that they are wrong

[floral mesa]

he didnt appear to be understanding

[oblique portal]

@timber crag just let the child whine 😂😂

[oblique portal]

You mean agreeing with you?

[floral mesa]

bro im gonan be 29 im not a child

[oblique portal]

Then stop acting like one and move on

We don’t agree, big deal.

[floral mesa]

lol

[oblique portal]

Talk about the lawsuit, not our differences

[timber crag]

Except plenty of them are being taken down from government property and have been for decades

@arctic mist well, they are removing the statues of confederate origin.

[arctic mist]

very slowly

[oblique portal]

Slowly

[floral mesa]

removing the npcs is very similar to the statues i agree

[timber crag]

You ever try to do anything fast with the government

[arctic mist]

okay fair

[timber crag]

Clearly never worked with the government

I understand why Blizzard would release the statement too.

[arctic mist]

i bet an an angry mob would get it done in a night

[timber crag]

Nothing about beaurocracy is fast

[arctic mist]

wonder if people gona protest in wow around the statue

[oblique portal]

Probably.

[timber crag]

Except we don't want an angry mob

[oblique portal]

That’s definitely normal for wow

[timber crag]

Angry mobs are a bad thing

[arctic mist]

eh i wasnt being serious

[timber crag]

They can’t just admit culpability in full, because they are a business, but it really has me feeling put off supporting them.

[arctic mist]

i doubt one company being bad is enough to get mobs going

[timber crag]

Then don't. It's your money

[oblique portal]

People aren’t going to stop playing wow. That’s the bottom line.

[floral mesa]

people like you arent

[muted hollow]

i jus joined this server a bit ago cuz i was thinking of renewing my subscription this is fuckin wild

[oblique portal]

😂

[floral mesa]

and thats why im getting the fuck out of this

[arctic mist]

they could have played it like that but thats 2 years too late

[oblique portal]

LMAO GET OVER IT

[timber crag]

Even the FF14 director doesn't wanna fight WoW

[floral mesa]

🙂

[oblique portal]

You’re so childish

[oblique portal]

Don’t blame him

[floral mesa]

nah youre just gross

[oblique portal]

Because I don’t agree with you, got it

[timber crag]

I’ve been playing WoW since beta. One time, GMs screwed up so bad, they gave me vanilla WoW collectors edition status and I got all those pets.

[oblique portal]

Get past it

[arctic mist]

more like they are staying away from comparing it

[oblique portal]

That’s really cool

[floral mesa]

nah because ur misogynistic

[oblique portal]

Because I don’t agree with you

[floral mesa]

and youre probably stupid too

no gf vibes strong

[oblique portal]

I’ve agreed with @timber crag multiple times, and she’s been restful

Respectful

[floral mesa]

😛

[oblique portal]

Hairy armpits vibe strong 🤬💀

[timber crag]

Will you two shut up? You're both making the other look as worse as yourselves @floral mesa @oblique portal

[floral mesa]

oh woiw having hairy armpitss

big insult

[oblique portal]

I’ve said to stop, like 5 times

And get past it

She won’t listen

[timber crag]

You stop too

Fuck

[floral mesa]

wouldnt want to have hairy armpitts now!

[oblique portal]

And I’ve ignored as well

[floral mesa]

how would the male gaze react to that

oh nooooo

[timber crag]

Well, I understand that you feel they’re being misogynistic, but let’s just chill, samchords. We don’t want you possibly being punished for reaching beyond being critical of the misogyny.

[floral mesa]

lol

being punished?

brop what

[timber crag]

Just stop

[oblique portal]

^^^

[timber crag]

You too

[oblique portal]

I’ll just ignore her

And hopefully the problem deflated

🤙🏻🤙🏻

[timber crag]

You're just as bad being a gaslighting fuckhead

Hey! I dunno how wowhead approaches moderating their Discord. And also, it’s weird to call me bro when I’m girl.

[floral mesa]

how is that weird

[timber crag]

I don’t like it :c

[oblique portal]

You’ve gaslighted as well, fuckhead

😂

[floral mesa]

ok i wont call u bro lol

[timber crag]

ty queen

[wise leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

how i feel after reading all that

[cursive tree]

I mean

This is expected

[oblique portal]

😂😂😂

[cursive tree]

I'm scared to scroll up

Because I'm probably gonna see a lot of bullshit I really don't wanna see rn

[hardy forge]

Not related,but there is 2 camps.
The people who think "dude" is gender neutral,
And the people who use "dudette"

[oblique portal]

It is bullshit

[cursive tree]

What's bullshit?

[oblique portal]

The argument above

Pointless

[cursive tree]

I call people gender neutral Dude alot.

Or my guy/gal

It's easier for me that qay

[wise leaf]

i mean. we get that that's your opinion and not everyone will agree to that.

[oblique portal]

Dude can be used for anyone

[cursive tree]

Not if they don't like being addressed that way, which is fair enough

[wise leaf]

also growing up in the 90s does that. i used to call everyone dude or some sort of variant

[cursive tree]

I'm not that old so perhaps I'm differnt

(Not saying tou're decrepit. I just mean I'm literally not that old

[oblique portal]

In school, I used to call people bro, was just the way people talked

[north verge]

honestly ppl take shit too seriously

words have more than one meaning

[oblique portal]

^^^

[oblique portal]

Say that again 💀

[north verge]

i use bro alot and if u have problem with its not my problem bro

[cursive tree]

Fair fair

Not many people have actual issues with it

[north verge]

yea yea ik

[cursive tree]

And if they do they'll correct you

[north verge]

fair but i hate it when ppl actually get physically upset

over a word

on the internet

[cursive tree]

I don't think many really do

[north verge]

yea not many do but ive still seen it

[wise leaf]

you can't control how others react only yourself

[cursive tree]

I only known a certain subsections people

[north verge]

o - o ok?

[oblique portal]

Some people have had trauma with a certain word, wether it be the n word, or bitch or fag- or Yk, anything like that

[north verge]

wtf

[oblique portal]

So it’s dependent on what people think

[north verge]

i was not meaning racists or curse words

[cursive tree]

I only know a certain section of people who get hurt by shit like that.
And it's probably not what u think it is xP

[north verge]

i meant like normal words eveyrone used in s chool or growing up O_O

[oblique portal]

Not it being right, but all those were normal words in school

[north verge]

idk what s chool u went to then

[oblique portal]

And I cut the words off to the point where you understood it

But didn’t wanna say the words

[north verge]

ppl got suspended in my school for saying the N word alone

[oblique portal]

American

[oblique portal]

Same

[timber crag]

What

[oblique portal]

But people didn’t scream it

[north verge]

still tho hearing those words were rare for me until i joined the internet

[timber crag]

Nobody when I went to school went on racist tirades lmao

[north verge]

most ive heard was HAHA UR GAY

[oblique portal]

They said it outside of school, in the parking lots and shit, kids are mean

[north verge]

oh iw ouldnt kno

im an introvert

antisocial idiot

[oblique portal]

Not racist tirades

But American teenagers are mean asf

[north verge]

they are even meaner in todays generation

[oblique portal]

That’s a given

[oblique portal]

Extremely

[north verge]

id rather die alone than be friends with anyone right now

[oblique portal]

LMFAO

[north verge]

IM SERIOUS

[oblique portal]

Heard that

[north verge]

GROWING UP WAS PAIN IN THE ASS

[oblique portal]

That’s why I’m doing college online

[north verge]

ive not ever in my lifed had a real friend

[oblique portal]

😂😂😂

[north verge]

i dropped out but goood luck

[oblique portal]

I’ll be your friend

[north verge]

no

[oblique portal]

😒😭

Well then

[north verge]

[oblique portal]

I won’t be your friend

🙄🙄

[north verge]

good

[oblique portal]

LMFAO

[north verge]

i would forget u existed by tommorow anyway

[oblique portal]

That’s a good mentality

[north verge]

oh no its just i dont care

[oblique portal]

Ahhh

[north verge]

GREAT NOW THIS CHAT IS DEAD

UGH SO BORING SERVER

[oblique portal]

You killed it 🙄🙄

What class do you play

?

[north verge]

i dont play wow

but i mained feral druid

[regal horizon]

@north verge meow

[north verge]

yip

[oblique portal]

When did you quit?

[north verge]

like

i played like a couple weeks of SL when it launched but after that yea fuck the game

[oblique portal]

Was just boring?

[north verge]

i still log on every once in awhile for mount farms but its just so boring otherwise and so much shit i hate : T

[oblique portal]

I see

Mount farms is fun

I have horrible luck though

[north verge]

no its not

its agrvating but i dont want to waste my sub time

also same

[oblique portal]

Been farming onixia, ashes, forelands for like 7 years

Got the flametalon of Alysrazor like a week or two ago 😏😏😏

[north verge]

gratz

sadly to say

i got onyxia first try a long time ago,

[wise leaf]

i had a friend get ashes on his first try 😦 and last week another friend got the mount from the nine on his first go too 😦 feels bad

[oblique portal]

All I got on my first try was the karazhan mount

The horse, from the first boss

[regal horizon]

Same

Much to my friends frustration

[barren fable]

I know it’s wow related kind of but I need som girlfriends to play wow with anyone ?

[oblique portal]

Bleeding hollow has a lot of female heroic raiders, like 20 in my guild

If you care enough to realm transfer

[glad grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/402503641938001943/868205769252827156/219569184_2949394228722022_7666636020448110867_n.png

[covert meteor]

• takes a bite *

[proven bone]

D:

NOT LIKE THAT

[barren fable]

Bet bro thx

[oblique portal]

🤙🏻🤙🏻

[teal flax]

The blizzard frat boy & sexual misconduct culture doesn’t surprise me one bit. No wonder no action is taken against the massive racist,sexist,homophobic community that plays the game.It’s a profoundly toxic game whose toxicity is fostered by creators themselves. Shame on blizzard,shame on hozzikostas. I hope this ushers an end to this miserable game.

[regal horizon]

Kekw

[pure pawn]

you are aware that playing the game isn't equal to supporting the shit blizzard did yes?

cause fuck these assholes that were responsible and involved in those cases, they need to be put in the court and then into jail, but don't hate the people that just play the game

[regal horizon]

Also, the community has absolutely nothing to do with what has been alleged.

[pure pawn]

^

[glad grove]

ye. i have been hoping blizzard to go down for quite some time now, more and more with every crap they pulled. still sad about wow though. it was fun. still is. sorta. ye. i think? ... idk... just not a fan of blizzard anymore

[covert meteor]

Right? how could you possibly turn some dude-bros in an office sexually harassing women onto some people who like to play a game

@teal flax Blame who's actually responsible

[tough escarp]

I'll just keep playing it.

Not gonna have my fun times spoiled because of some douchebags.

[teal flax]

i shall, but i hold the community responsible as highly sexist. thats just plain old fact

[teal flax]

i agree, i hope this miserable excuse of a company goes down with this being one of the nails in its coffin

they have blood on their hands, the girl killed herself.

meanwhile https://www.polygon.com/22587594/final-fantasy-14-online-store-sold-out-queue-servers-free-trial-endwalker

'Disillusioned World of Warcraft fans are making the switch to Final Fantasy 14 en masse.'

[regal horizon]

https://www.pcgamer.com/final-fantasy-14-director-hates-that-people-think-his-game-has-beat-world-of-warcraft/

[little sluice]

Y’all Pepsi, coke or Dr Pepper fans?

Word

[fallen nexus]

Ah yes, I love turning simple questions like “Coke or Pepsi” into an entire debate.

🙄

It certainly didn’t have its place here.

There’s enough negative crap flying about right now, no reason to turn things even worse.

It sounds like Mokdog was literally trying to do exactly that.

[covert meteor]

Amen shout out to mokdog

[fallen nexus]

That said, I prefer RC Cola. Sue me.

Also caught these super fucking cool things at the mall today.

It took all my willpower to keep from buying them.

[covert meteor]

love me some iron maiden

[fallen nexus]

Their newest single is 💯

[covert meteor]

gotta say I'm a bigger fan on Black Sabbath

[fallen nexus]

https://youtu.be/FhBnW7bZHEE

Different timeframes, different genres, IMO.

[covert meteor]

Yes true. People for some reason lump them together

[fallen nexus]

Though, Iron Maiden thinks they’re AC/DC with the latest single.

Not sure what the hell happened.

[little sluice]

Those are pretty dope ngl

RC Cola an underrated soda without a doubt. Don’t drink much of it but the one time every other year I do, it never disappoints

[covert meteor]

Dr pepper is the best jus sayin

[timber crag]

Hot take: I don't like the brown sodas

[glad grove]

coke. i hate it when i go to a restaurant, ask for cola, and they serve me pepsi. I asked for cola. Coka cola would be good, an off brand cola would be good, but not pepsi. pepsi is a cola flavored drink, not actual cola.
I do like pepsi when its ice cold. But even then, when i order cola, i want cola. not a drink with cola flavour.

[wise leaf]

Mr. Pibb would like a word

[cursive tree]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/former-blizzard-president-mike-morhaime-shares-thoughts-on-activision-blizzard-323537

Now this is a professional response.
The big thing for me is that he admits that he failed the women who worked for him. Like that's a big thing, it's hard to admit that you fucked up.

[glad grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402503641938001943/868318866646909000/video0.mov

[onyx wren]

bruh what

i am confused, amused, and disturbed at the same time

[pearl jasper]

Legs

[spare bronze]

I love ghost

[stray berry]

[devout yew]

In the replies, one of the devs that worked there while he was ceo said that Mike was kept in the dark on a lot of things. https://twitter.com/cherthedev/status/1418828464296239105?s=20

Cher Scarlett (@cherthedev)

Before I go to bed, I want to say that Mike and I spoke about many of the things that happened to me. I appreciate his taking responsibility and being empathetic to what I endured, and to what I witnessed and heard.

I honestly believe that he was kept in the dark about plenty.

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Twitter · Jul 24, 2021, 7:00 AM

[cursive tree]

What the hell

[cursive tree]

Interesting. How valid that is in to be proven but if this is the case, HR definitely has a roll to play, as well as middle management.

[glad grove]

Sometimes it do be like that

[glad grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/737359056401989735/868496706654859284/IMG_20210710_230028.jpg

[jolly nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/536198518386196492/868453020961214484/gay0.mp4

[regal horizon]

LMFAO

XDDDDDDDDDDD

[jolly nexus]

found it hilarious

[tough escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laugh-lmao-gif-9271200

[glad grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bGh-3EdUog&ab_channel=DeadJosey

[proven bone]

What the fuck did I just watch? lol

[jolly nexus]

that video is actually amazing Rin

[regal horizon]

Absolutely fantastic

[glad grove]

😁

[glad grove]

found muffins in my fridge. not sure how old they are and if they where normal muffins or blueberry muffins... they look like blue berry muffins now.
🤷‍♀️ only one way to find out
also, i have a time bomb in my fridge. some yogurt or something that i forgot. it was in a normal bucket but atm it cant even stand normal anymore becouse its completely inflated with gass X.X
going to have to throw that one out some how tomorrow

[pastel void]

@frosty tundra What?

[glad grove]

.... blue berry muffins are supposed to tase like blue berry right...

these taste .... normal...

juo wwait no maybe nor

well, its not blue berry but its kinda nice.

[timber crag]

Erm... that could be mold yknow?

[glad grove]

already ate all 4

[timber crag]

Well

Erm

[glad grove]

stummic feels funny 🤷‍♀️ whats the worst that could happen

[timber crag]

Good luck in the bathroom/doctors office!

[glad grove]

o nah i can eat alloooot of mold etc and not get any issues

[timber crag]

That sounds like a curse and a blessing

[glad grove]

spoiled mozzrella for example is quite good

[timber crag]

Found a better gif but too late

[pastel void]

Oh and not pretending to be illiterate is pretty awesome as well

[glad grove]

huh?

[fresh osprey]

cheese isnt mold - its curds

thats when the fat is separated from the liquid

[glad grove]

its a loaf of milk

[fresh osprey]

some cheese is moldy, or uses bacteria or is aged

but like - generic cheddar is not moldy

[fresh osprey]

no, milk has the whey still

[glad grove]

You know da whey?

click noises

[fresh osprey]

ask the curds

😛

[astral patrol]

made it myself lol

[pastel void]

♿

[glad grove]

well, not a big fan of curry, but cheese is great.

[radiant kiln]

How is this blizzard-activision drama getting worse every day

[tough escarp]

By Blizzard reacting to it.

[radiant kiln]

Yeah that about sums it up....

Like the Activision manager whos been working there for 4 months that told everyone it's all bullshit because she's never experienced it.

[jolly nexus]

Sexual harassment, harassment in general and poor treatment of workers at blizzard

It’s far from bitching

Well that’s what it was, you asked to be corrected so

Just because it happens a lot doesn’t make it acceptable

All of it is sueable lol

Ok sure lol

I disagree that sexual harassment is the only serious allegation

[covert meteor]

While I agree there should be proof, and I agree we shouldn't take allegations without proof. Aren't they taking it to court right now to show the proof?

I mean if they dont have it, they will lose and we will all know its fake.

[cursive tree]

This is the state suing

Not a singular person

[covert meteor]

Yeah we know

oh i knew

[cursive tree]

That means it's extremely more credible because the state doesn't go after cases unless they're very sure this happened.
The suicide in particular isn't exactly sweep-under-the-rug-able

[covert meteor]

Well that's not true. States will persue cases even if they dont have a lot of evidence.

[cursive tree]

I get that "we shouldn't convict without evidence" but yeah I'm not the ciurt

And thst doesn't make it ok

[cursive tree]

No I mean, in general usually they will

[covert meteor]

Eh sure, most of the time they like to be sure. It's not a certainty though, so it doesnt really say anything about this particular case.

[cursive tree]

They didn't their responses are shitm
Also, a woman committed suicide while on a trip with her higher up who brought lube and sex toys

[covert meteor]

Also i feel like people underestimate how political the state prosecuting office is. They will often take these huge cases because it will score them big points in the next election.

[cursive tree]

We can bend the law for billionaires, but God help us all if we bend the law to actually convict someone who deserved it

[covert meteor]

Lol Bill Cosby is free at home rn btw

[cursive tree]

Oh I'm aware

I don't think he should be there

He should still be in jail

[covert meteor]

Well really its the prosecutors office fault

Do you know why he was set free?

[cursive tree]

Dude multi millionaire bend the law CONSTANTLY.

[covert meteor]

I agree, the courts should try to be as impartial as possible. Even if there is unfairness for some, lets not open up the gates and make it a free for all

[cursive tree]

THE COURTS DO THAT TOO

Ngl.

Ngl. I do not like it when the first thing people bring up is "Well it could be lies" when it comes to serious shit like this.
Like you're gonna try to defend a company before the women.
Yes. Due process. I have no power to immediately send Activision Blizzard to jail. But I can come to my own assumptions, and when a lot of pieces are connecting and a lot of people are speaking up, it's kinda hard to simply say "oh well. Gotta stay neutral"

The law is constantly skewed towards wealthy white men

No

I'm talking about in general

If you read my message above, I say that I do believe in the judicial system (well kinda. It is biased)

We have multiple accounts?

So you believe in nothing before hand?

That's worse imo

Sometimes you can't wait for evidence before you have a moral stance on something

Even if we're wrong, which I doubt

I will gladly say I supported women vs a company from the get go

Ew

That's fucking disgustiny

Ngl

I would believe the women until proven otherwise. Because the village can more easily swarm the women and tell things that go against her, so she"@ already on the back foot

The company is not a majority.
Acti Blizz is not a group of people

It is a company.

It is a corporate entity

It gives 0 fucks about you

Yeah that's shit morals.
You support a brand more than real people

BECAUSE THEY DO GET EASY MONEY

Bobby Kodick memes exists for a reason

"Neutral but I support company first"

Isn't neutrality btw

You've already picked a side, so you are already biased towards ActiBlizz in this situation

You're nothing more than a robot then.

You have no beliefs

Therefore,

You have nothing to add or fight for

[viscid sinew]

Tf,lol

Such an long chat about it.

[cursive tree]

You only fight for the person who youTHINK is more "right"

And not even a person

A corporation

Who has shown MULTIPLR times before

That they simply give 0 fucks about people

Blitzchung Incident, The allegations,
They even neglect their own fucking player base

That's a horrible way to think about it companies ALREADY get away with it more just because they have money.

Believe it or not

They give 0 fucks about what we think

Because they know that as long as they have enough money, this can be swept under the table

THEY'RE a corporation. THEY'RE a brand.

Oh yeah sure. Now you say that.

I'd rather believe in something from the get go than be wishy washy about it.

Fact this. Fact that.
Fuck that.
Facts should sometimes be left to the wayside if you have a strong. Conviction. It's the judges job to be impartial.
Not mine. So I'm not gonna sit here and shill for a company talking "Well Facts and Logic suggest-"
Because Companies don't deserve any more leeway than what they already have

Which is way too much

Again, I'd rather be on the side of women from the get go, than a companies

Because at least then I know I will have taken a side that I think is morally right and what I think will make it better for everyone.

No it wouldn't

It'd then be a society if robots

What the fuck

Yeah no you're insane

You're literally saying being a robot would be better than human autonomu

Logically speaking, you won't be able to save a child from a horrible car crash.

So why do we try doing it anyways?

Because we have hearts and feelings and emotions

Holy fuck dude what are these takes

Being Logical doesn't make you a automatically right

Uhm

Emotions give strength actually

Emotions are what defines us from other life on Earth

That's not true.
Being logical doesn't make it right.
You're no better than a statistics machine.

Sometimes you have to do Illogical things to make the right decisions.

I don't need to bet I know I am.
At least I'm not some automaton, waiting for another logical order before I do something.

Logically everyone should be eating extremely healthy well balanced diets.
Logically you don't need Video Games to have a happy life style.
Logically One could argue the "superiority" of one group to another using statistics.

But I bet you wouldn't stop indulging in fattening but delicious food

Bet you won't stop indulging in video games

Bet you won't try to say one race is objectively better than another

Why(

Because you don't feel that way. You have an emotional attachment to these topics.

Wait did he just dip?

Well I'll just consider that a win.
Get fucked robo-nerd

Now I look crazy tho hmm

[jolly nexus]

Lol guess they are gone

You are crazy tho Whereami

[wise leaf]

Nice. I’m not one for pitch forks and torches just yet. I side with the women and abused but I’m not ready to “throw the whole blizzard out” just yet. Like I said before this isn’t going to kill blizzard just put it under some much needed reform.

[cursive tree]

Now hmthat's a reasonable take

I'm not saying leave blizz to die

But I do want change

In the industry as a whooe

Looking at you Ubisoft

[wise leaf]

Oh I wholeheartedly agree. People of any sex,race or background shouldn’t be harassed and yes I don’t like how people are treating this like a blizzard only problem when it literally happens everywhere and the world needs to get right not just blizzard

[cursive tree]

Looks that's not fair. thst dude was being a corporate shill, talking about logic and being on the side of companies first.

[cursive tree]

Agreed. We need change everywhere.

That dude was really being psychotic

Like legitimately, sociopathic takes from this dude

[wise leaf]

I’m sad I didn’t get to see his text but I feel like I would have been disgusted by it anyways lol

[cursive tree]

Yeah I think any reasonable human would've been

[jolly nexus]

Ye I had the displeasure of talking to them, thankfully I was at work so I had to put my phone down

[cursive tree]

Lmao

[jolly nexus]

The one time getting off a break was good

[cursive tree]

Lmao. True

[earnest sonnet]

hmmm

the blizzard lawsuit

[cursive tree]

Yes

Sorry for wall of text. Those were once replies to an asshat

[jolly nexus]

Thought you were just ranting on to yourself till I noticed the messages you replied to were erased from existence

[covert meteor]

^ Same lol

thought you went off for a while

[cursive tree]

Lmao

Don't worry y'all I'm not that insane yet. I was just arguing with a bozo

[covert meteor]

what were they saying?

[hardy forge]

I thought you had gone insane long ago already

[cursive tree]

That's the thing about being insane. You're never quite sure if you've already gone off the handle

[cursive tree]

Guy was saying that Emotions make humans weak and the world would be better if it only functioned off of logic. And he liked the idea of everyone being robotic in nature.
And he said he'd defend a company before defending women (or I assume any woman in general(
And all around just being sociopathic with their takes

[covert meteor]

damn sounds like a really weird dude

[hardy forge]

There is many movies and animes exploring exactly that take

Actually there's more movies/games about machines becoming so intelligent they become sentient and try to emulate emotion

And show just how catastrophic pure logic gets you

A really simple example going by pure logic,when the robot was asked for the quickest solution to solve world hunger,he proposed killing all hungry humans

[jolly nexus]

I mean

They aren’t wrong

We should try that method out, sounds pretty epic

[hardy forge]

Refer to my first statement ^

[cursive tree]

Lmao

Also yeah like "logically" there are many things that you do

That are morally wrong

[floral monolith]

I wonder what will be the future for wowhead?

[hardy forge]

People have jobs and livelihoods tied to wow as a game

Asking wowhead to shut the site down in protest is asking people to sacrifice their financial security same for people working at blizzard

[heady hornet]

Honestly this is the end of Blizzz, I think the smart move is to slowly fade away for wowhead and be prepared to go somewhere else. Its sad, but I that is the honest reality. Of course if the people at wowhead have another perspective its likely that I am wrong

[hardy forge]

Nah blizz will continue existing,they will only die if there is a law saying they have to shut down

Ubisoft is still going,riot,EA

EA has universally bad press for half a decade,and is routinely competing for worst gaming company ever,and yet they still make billions every year

[heady hornet]

all of those are bigger than Blizz and EA as far as I am aware gets their bucks from long runing franchises (like FIFA) that get yearly releases, which Blizz dosent

[cursive tree]

I do not think Blizz will go down

I DO think

That we could see some major shake ups in jobs and leadership

[tired elk]

After calming down and looking at the situation unfold, if operations continue I can only see things going up

[sterile python]

Shakeups? Change? Not if Activision has anything to say about it...

[tired elk]

That's the big if lol

[tough escarp]

It's a corporation - it's a thing - it just exists. It has no feelings or opinions.
It's the people that work there that have caused the issues and will be the people that work there that will have to fix those issues...

So far they have failed to do that - so now a lawsuit might increase the stakes for those people.

[tired elk]

It's impeding enough with operations to necessitate changes so yes, I don't foresee nothing happening. We just don't know what and how yet
Right now it seems that a good chunk of people in there have the right mindset. They just need to be empowered and to drive them

[hardy forge]

Majority of the times,the higherups,the most corporate,are also the most unfeeling

[tough escarp]

sadly yes

[covert meteor]

You do realize Blizzard is part of Activision right? Activision-Blizzard is bigger than Riot, Ubisoft (8x more revenue) and about the same size as EA...

[covert meteor]

please come back in 6 months when nothing has changed lmao

activision-blizzard stock hasnt even gone down 😆

[tough escarp]

it hasn't made major news yet

[covert meteor]

Uhhh yeah it has...

Stockholders watch company news constantly

[tough escarp]

yeah but not as a big scandal

[covert meteor]

i mean we all saw the lawsuit on Thursday morning

all the info was out instantly

[tough escarp]

yes

[covert meteor]

Pretty sure they see that this same thing has happened at other game studios and nothing changes

[tough escarp]

me watching social media after the law suite went public
https://tenor.com/view/armageddon-gif-9744035

[covert meteor]

Yeah people are mad. Not saying they arent. But at the end of the day, the game will keep running if people keep paying. How many people (who weren't already gone) are actually going to leave over this?

Let's not forget a huge portion of the player base is in Asia who probably haven't heard about this news or dont care

[radiant kiln]

It's not about people leaving. You know who else that hurts if the game crashes and burns? The women at blizzard this lawsuit is trying to protect. And their coworkers who actually ARE good people and want this dealt with too

The employees at blizzard are revolting against the bullshit statements that the execs put out

That alone should tell you something about what's going on

[limpid sorrel]

I was horrified to hear earlier about the allegations made in a lawsuit against Activision-Blizzard this week. To know that they can foster that kind of work environment is the worst thing I can hear about a company I have supported for many years through purchase of verious games sold by this company, as well as paying a subscription to World of Warcraft for the bulk of the last 13 years. But now, because of this lawsuit, I have lost my two favorite podcast about World of Warcraft. I am not willing to boycott the game as many have, but I do feel I have every right to shame them. I only pray that they do their own internal investigation into this matter, immediately terminate any employee still employed by them for this gross misconduct, and file their own individual lawsuits against all those who participated actively or passivly in this gross misconduct. And that includes any executive, or manager who ignored or tried to sweep this under the rug.

Furthermore, I would like to say to all the victoms that I am sorry for your horrible mistreatment. I stand with you and hope that the judge and jurry do as well. My prayers and simpothy are with you.

[radiant kiln]

This is the type of horse shit that "Fran", the Activision exec who's been there for 4 months, claims never happens

And the subreddit admins verified she was a legit ex employee

[hardy forge]

In case you may have been living without seeing any news,
Many tripleAAA companies are guilty and were charged for the things actiblizz is being blasted for

Especially ubisoft,rockstar and riot to cite the most recent 3

[tough escarp]

I still have gametime until August 22 - so I could cancel the sub now - but I will already have forgotten why I did that by then.

Also I just keep getting more gametime anyway.

The RAFs keep ticking regardless.

So I think my best course of action is to be nice to people in game.

And try to make for a nice community.

[hardy forge]

This is why gamer boycotts dont work

[limpid sorrel]

I haven't been involved with many of those studios in many years. So I don't see much of that news. But this is a terrible culture to have in the video game industry. I do not support this kind of behavior in any industry.

[hardy forge]

You'll be pleased to know its not just a gaming industry thing and a lot of companies especially in america do it

[hardy forge]

"Pulled my pants down when we were alone" o.o

[tough escarp]

some people just have no limits

[heady hornet]

if they pull blizz aout of the fire sure

[radiant kiln]

At this point multiple people have confirmed that the cube crawls are absolutely something that happens on a regular basis.... And in my brain I just cannot understand how somebody getting hammered at work and going from cubicle to cubicle doesn't get immediately fired on the spot

[hardy forge]

@radiant kiln can we have the source for that post

If you could

[radiant kiln]

If I had a single drink at work I would likely get fired

Sure

[tough escarp]

yes, the cube crawls have also been mentioned in the suit

disgusting

[radiant kiln]

@hardy forge https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/oqsgt8/first_hand_account_of_harassment_at_blizzard/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

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