#no-wow-discussion

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heady solstice
wary gate
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you can say other words

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like moronic

spice thistle
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Double standards indeed

wary gate
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and idiot

urban kite
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so this server doesn't allow the word, I get banned for it; is that then okay?

heady solstice
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kata thats literally

spice thistle
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you can say kata too

heady solstice
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double standards

wary gate
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but wowhead doesn't allow the c word

heady solstice
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tho

daring tapir
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if you press 1-2-3 we wouldn't need to be toxic

empty swallow
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@heady solstice are you a bad player

spice thistle
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1 2 3

heady solstice
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no

empty swallow
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then don't fear my child

spring burrow
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Its almost like some words are just too bad to say

spice thistle
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Also in relation to ACT

heady solstice
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im just not an idiot that talks shit to people on a stream

spice thistle
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has it been broken?

wary gate
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Look I don't call people trash

heady solstice
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or say i have act

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its not fucking hard

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jesus

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like

wary gate
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I don't agree with toxicity

spice thistle
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Like I am trying to parse an anamnesis run

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And it gets split

empty swallow
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I'm not saying be toxic, I'm saying call out a shit player for being shit GWcorbinTopKek

heady solstice
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i call people trash in my fc chat where everyone is toxic anyway

empty swallow
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I will not let a shit player get away with being shit

wary gate
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but it sounds like just mentioning to people that they could be doing better

hardy forge
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i think monte got the right idea

wary gate
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is considered problematic

empty swallow
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I always do dafire

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never wrong

hardy forge
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it is πŸ˜‚ @wary gate

empty swallow
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ego is off this planet

urban kite
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but he didn't "just mention it". He called them out on a stream and said "you're dogshit", via a program that actively isn't allowed on the game

hardy forge
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emu's screenshots taught you nothing

heady solstice
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exactly macho

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literally my point

empty swallow
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Hey man, if they're dogshit then they're dogshit

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no outplay

heady solstice
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dont be a fucking dumbass and talk shit in public

empty swallow
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IF you get your feelings hurt for being called dogshit then git gud

hardy forge
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the ban may mostly be due to him mentioning ACT

heady solstice
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you can fuckin

hardy forge
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rather than him talking shit

heady solstice
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like

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try to teach them

hardy forge
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honestly

urban kite
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the point is that you don't have to just go on a 5 minute rant and say all that shit, when you can just remove them yourself and find someone else

hardy forge
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emu's continued failures say that is not a valid option 80% of the time,marcelo

empty swallow
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@urban kite do we know if the player claimed to be good?

urban kite
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he got tilted, he got upset and he got banned for it

empty swallow
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if the player claimed to be good and ended up being dogshit, damn well I'll flame them

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I've tried helping dogshit players b4, they tell you that you don't pay their sub and keep crying

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not worth

heady solstice
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let me uh make an example: lets say you were exposing your genitals and someone called the cops on you

hardy forge
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"i'll play how i want to play"

heady solstice
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you dont expose your self in public

hardy forge
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pog

heady solstice
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you do that inside

empty swallow
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@heady solstice come inside then, if you came inside I wouldn't have to do it outside

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😊

heady solstice
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id c o m e inside monte

empty swallow
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POG

hardy forge
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him mentioning outside programs is what i think he got banned for

heady solstice
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well yeah

hardy forge
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not strictly calling someone shit

wary gate
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then say that

daring tapir
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is it though

heady solstice
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hence exposing yourself

daring tapir
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is it because he's mentioning an outside problem

hardy forge
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ACT is quite illegal

daring tapir
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that is directly VISIBLE on his stream

heady solstice
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yeah

daring tapir
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and has been visible for every stream

heady solstice
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its very against ToS

daring tapir
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for the entire duration of every stream

heady solstice
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but

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if you dont have fucking

wary gate
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telling him it's harassment and he's not allowed to know what harassment is a crock of shit

heady solstice
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2 iq points

empty swallow
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And for the boring people in chat, I'm being half sarcastic, I couldn't care less about getting banned but also can't blame the guy for that dude being dogshit pepelaugh

heady solstice
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you can use it

spring burrow
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Guys

heady solstice
hardy forge
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@daring tapir it's not illegal to HAVE IT,it's illegal to tell/shame ppl through it

daring tapir
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I'm aware

empty swallow
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@hardy forge which is the dumbest role to ever exist

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lmfao

urban kite
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again, whatever he got in the email probably has more info, or it should at least

spring burrow
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The dont care much about parse, just as long as you dont flame people with it

heady solstice
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like dude

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you dont fucking

daring tapir
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I'm saying that if he got banned for mentioning ACT, why was he not banned for having ACT be visible for every stream prior

heady solstice
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tell people about ACT

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thats the first rule of ACT

hardy forge
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because ACT is like fightclub

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techni

spring burrow
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^

heady solstice
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yeah

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exactly

empty swallow
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Imo wtf is the point in ACT being this fucking taboo, it's just showing me who's the bad player in my groups lul

daring tapir
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but he didn't say it ingame chat though did he? wasn't it via twitch chat?

main dirge
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isn't ACT a level of stand in jojo

urban kite
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it was over voice I'm assuming

empty swallow
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REEVERB

main dirge
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ECHOES ACT 3

empty swallow
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ACTU SREE

spring heath
main dirge
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FREEEEZE

urban kite
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but xeno's apparently done this before with other people

daring tapir
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LET'S KILL THE HOE BEEEEETCH

hardy forge
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@empty swallow because MUH FRAGILE EGO

empty swallow
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It's just creating an echochamber of not being able to criticize people

daring tapir
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I'd believe it macho

empty swallow
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stupid af

urban kite
heady solstice
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yeah i agree that you shouldnt have act

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but dont fucking be stupid and tell people!

empty swallow
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you shouldn't have actr?

urban kite
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like he doesn't seem the greatest of people

empty swallow
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marcelo edit

heady solstice
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oh

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should

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look

empty swallow
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ty

hardy forge
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it's not "creating" it's been present,and it's swallowing the entire playerbase,πŸ…±οΈonte

wary gate
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sure he doesn't

hardy forge
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xD

heady solstice
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i have 1 braincell left

wary gate
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but he didn't say it in the game

heady solstice
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i did E5S

empty swallow
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Wait that dude is xeno?

daring tapir
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I'd personally like if they introduced a self act in ffxiv

heady solstice
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they do

wary gate
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so why is it the game that's punishing him?

daring tapir
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it doesn't parse other people, just yourself

heady solstice
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its the threat meter

empty swallow
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nvm keep him banned, I turned on his stream and my ears popped from his shitty music

urban kite
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because it was related to something happening in-game

heady solstice
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because the viewer was in the chat

urban kite
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there's only so much we know from it, it could have been other things

wary gate
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what you say with your mouth is separate from what you say in game

urban kite
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not really

heady solstice
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ehhhh

daring tapir
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yeah, I feel there's a few pieces missing that without them.

empty swallow
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@daring tapir relax detective conan

wary gate
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otherwise there'd be like... no one left to play multiplayer video games anymore

urban kite
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it'd be like if method was shitting on ion during the world first stream

daring tapir
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I know, being captain obvious is hard work

urban kite
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they're held accountable either way

daring tapir
empty swallow
lost plinth
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unrelated but i never took a proper look at the phase 2 ruby weapon arena

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all the cities in the background burning

urban kite
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like i said before, there's a fuckton of streamers that don't get hit by this because they don't call people shitters in a public stream

heady solstice
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exactly

empty swallow
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What's the worst he could've said about someone

heady solstice
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you just be smart

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its easy

empty swallow
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that gets him banned

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Because streamers call people idiots and braindead all the time

heady solstice
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he literally did actively have his chat fucking witchhunt a dude though

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thats not cool

empty swallow
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maybe ff14 is just a bit too stopid

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wdym withchunt

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tf is his chat gonna do

daring tapir
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stupid is an understatement

heady solstice
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harrass the guy

wary gate
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sodapoppin literally called people r*** all the time and no one cares

daring tapir
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okay, so having his chat do a witchhunt as a factor is left until last? if I knew that sooner I would have not of tried to 'defend' xeno earlier. fuck that thonk

urban kite
heady solstice
urban kite
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like now people are digging up vods of this guy and

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yeah

wary gate
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again

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it's outside the game

empty swallow
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Yeah when I saw who the dude was, idm him getting banned just cause he had absolute trash tier music taste

urban kite
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but it's related to things within the game, while he's streaming it, with people he's playing with

wary gate
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it's like if I got banned in wow for calling someone a fucking idiot on here

heady solstice
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but

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you literally can

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oh

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nvm

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i cant read

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uhh

empty swallow
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pepega

heady solstice
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but like

urban kite
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it's classed as harassment; it'd be harder to track down here but

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he's recording himself doing it

heady solstice
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shit like this leads to harrassment ingame though

empty swallow
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just don't be bad

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never get harassed in hte first place

heady solstice
empty swallow
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🀧

daring tapir
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just parse 99 and we wouldn't have this problem πŸ™ƒ

empty swallow
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It's not bad advice if you think about

wary gate
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if he's going into chat and saying "you're a fucking idiot, get the fuck out of here" then I'd say yeah, he deserves to be banned

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but he's not

empty swallow
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who's gonna shit on a good player?

daring tapir
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a better player

wary gate
empty swallow
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KKONA cmon brother

spice thistle
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Imagine justifying rude people

empty swallow
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boohoo

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It's fine to be rude to bad players np

heady solstice
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like dude idgaf id someone fucking shits on me but SE does

daring tapir
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be rude to me daddy

spice thistle
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imagine saying that

empty swallow
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just gotta git gud

urban kite
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somebody save him

heady solstice
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what a shitter

empty swallow
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A complete asshole.

spice thistle
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ACT is broken

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entirely broken for me

empty swallow
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full stop

spice thistle
empty swallow
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@spice thistle They don't want you to see your bad dps

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pepelaugh

urban kite
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like the ban isn't perfect and there's a lot of info missing but at the same time if you're gonna just be this kinda person then it's kinda deserved

spice thistle
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Sure 89 parses is bad

daring tapir
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monte if I parse lower than an orange would you be rude to me?

wary gate
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sure, these people seem like toxic assholes

spice thistle
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Like 4 times running through it

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It gets split

wary gate
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but again, if they're not being toxic assholes in the game they shouldn't be punished by the game

empty swallow
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@daring tapir Rank 1 or don't even be in the same channel as me.

spice thistle
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That is like justifying other bad things on other games that happen out of the games

wary gate
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what?

spice thistle
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Also you say that if they are not being toxic assholes, but considering they are in game toxic assholes that send people to go to harass other people...well that still counts

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I think the wording of the ban was weird but he deserved to do so

wary gate
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regardless of the current example

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out of game words and actions shouldn't be punished in game

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unless it's pretty heinous like Josh, where it's actually a crime

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although he's probably not banned, just arrested

daring tapir
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I was like, highest rank 7

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is that good enough @empty swallow PepeHands

spring burrow
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Yeah its crazy

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Especially the dalamud part

empty swallow
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rank 1 only

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get out of my channel please.

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until you're rank 1

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πŸ™‚

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brb getting rank 1 in fall guys

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🀧

spice thistle
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...if he is not banned then wow is more stupid than i thought

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Also fuck Jhock

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13min 03 seconds for Anamnesis Anyder

daring tapir
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that's like six minutes slower than it should be wewbunmugpeek

spice thistle
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Im trying to get what is the WR

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9:44 seconds is the fastest

daring tapir
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war/whm makes speedrunning dungeons real easy

wary gate
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Is it really wow's job to punish him?

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and I don't mean to defend him

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I hate to

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but that's the government's job

spice thistle
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Why risking it?

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Like even if he already got kicked out of everything

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i dont even know if he is arrested or just got into some legal stuff and ta ta

urban kite
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i wouldn't really want a known and publicised person that participated in events and raids and all that to be interacting with the product, y'know?

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people will give some shit about protecting pedo's or some bullshit, it's better to just ban him and be done

spice thistle
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It's better to cut all ties

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Entirely

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Sure, he can come ack later in a different account and all but for now its the best

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@lost plinth I got scammed

lost plinth
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pray tell

spice thistle
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I thought Anatman would extend Lightning to 4 in Fire mode

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Fire fists*

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It works for just staying there and doing a whole nothing

wary gate
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pedos can go get fucked

spice thistle
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Like

wary gate
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I agree he should be banned

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but that's because this is a particularly heinous case

spice thistle
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I could just shift the forms and get it refreshed, why does anatman do exsit

urban kite
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but it also runs alongside the previous point

lost plinth
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good question mak

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welcome to mnk

wary gate
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I don't think shit talking outside the game should be punished by the game

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idk who anatman is

urban kite
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he's an avenger

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works with the hulk

wary gate
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antman?

spice thistle
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In mexico there was a superhero called Kaliman

urban kite
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agnatman

spice thistle
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He only had a knife but used the power of the mind

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And no Kata sorry, Anatman is a monk skill

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COMPARED TO

wary gate
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I understand nothing

spice thistle
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It would be like

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Extending a buff

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both do the same

wary gate
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ok see that's easier to read and understand

spice thistle
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BOTH DO THE SAME

wary gate
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that's something I think wow does incredibly well

spice thistle
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WHY THE FUCK DOES ANATMAN EXIST

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like

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Form shift allows me to just

wary gate
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when you read a spell you can tell exactly what it does

spice thistle
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Extend it

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meanwhile Anatman

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I must stand still

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And it doesnt expire as long i am still

wary gate
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i can't actually read what anatman does

spice thistle
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Ok let me do it in a nutshell

wary gate
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like my brains just goes into tv static

spice thistle
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It has the buff to never expire

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like

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it stays at 14 seconds as long you are still

wary gate
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but isn't movement important in 14?

lost plinth
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anatman is samurai meditate

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yes, but sometimes you have periods of not at the boss where you may as well do something

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samurai and monk have a tool for this

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it's resource generation as long as you don't move at all

spice thistle
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Yes

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but also

lost plinth
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however

spice thistle
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Form shift

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can do that

lost plinth
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monk has form shift

spice thistle
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Like form shift

lost plinth
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which does the same thing

spice thistle
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Its redundant

lost plinth
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nobody is gonna downtime for their anatman in combat

spice thistle
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It's one of the most redundant skills i have ever seen in the whole game

lost plinth
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the only purpose anatman has is the dumbass facepull opener where it gives you a quick GL stack

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assuming you run up to the boss and anatman at it to begin the fight

spice thistle
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wat

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no

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Just use perfect balance to be able to use the attacks that give the buff

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the buff stacks so?

lost plinth
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ypu

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*yup

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anatman is fucking stupid

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and you haven't even seen 6SS yet

spice thistle
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Ok do you know what I thought it would be?

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Like

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Let me tell you

lost plinth
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Did you think it was riddle of wind

wary gate
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I remember I was watching uhh

spice thistle
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Yeah

lost plinth
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like the shb actions trailer

wary gate
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basically warrior

spice thistle
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Riddle of the Wind on Fists of Fire

lost plinth
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fuck no

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that'd be fun and interesting

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can't have that

wary gate
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and it just went "warriors weren't tanks, so we stole all the tools from the other tanks just to function"

spice thistle
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kek

wary gate
spice thistle
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WELL

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tbh

lost plinth
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crossclass

spice thistle
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Warriors and their fell cleaves

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gods

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But yeah Emu

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I thought

lost plinth
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'why should i have to level gladiator for provoke' was the cry of the kicked casual in early FF14

spice thistle
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"Oh it would be interesting to be able to shift from Wind to Fire when Anatman is on CD"

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"It would be a big total of 70% burst with Riddle of Fire and Brotherhood"

lost plinth
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i mean

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come to malboro right now

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and learn a fucking opener

spice thistle
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no

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i will just

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change class to samurai

wary gate
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I think I prefer the tiyn desk version of ice cold

spice thistle
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ice ice baby

wary gate
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Kimbra isn't bad

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but the lead singer's voice is so gorgeous

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context

spice thistle
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Also in regards of my phone I finally fixed it

wary gate
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although tiny desk vs orchestra runaway...

spice thistle
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Had to rollback to android 9 to have it detect my sim

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also let me hear it

wary gate
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I can't decide which I like more

urban kite
spring burrow
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Forget rock lobster, robster is the future

spice thistle
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Now i want lobster

wary gate
urban kite
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doghot

spice thistle
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wat

wary gate
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The US reached 4 million cases in half the time it took to reach 3 million

urban kite
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cases of beer?

severe river
spice thistle
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briefcases?

urban kite
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hey its like that other blizzard game

spice thistle
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heroes?

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i liek heroes

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but

hardy forge
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whats that? they split competitive into 3?

severe river
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ye

hardy forge
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heroes came wayyyyy tooo late

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to be profitable

spice thistle
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Honestly I like LoL but i know that saying that nowadays is like

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saying you liek trash

hardy forge
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LoL is cancer yes

spice thistle
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Lol just brings all the bad things from yourself

hardy forge
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welcome to the club

severe river
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when im home im going to get plat on all my comp ranks lmao

hardy forge
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LoL is the game you play after repressing all the anger at being unable to say ppl are shit in 14 because you dont want your account banned @spice thistle

urban kite
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some day dafire will be able to comment on something without bringing up xiv

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today is not that day

main dirge
hardy forge
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i mean,we JUST talked about someone being banned for talking shit

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how could i not compare it

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perfect example

urban kite
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damn thats a ferret? you know what else has ferrets and a dogshit community? final fantasy 14

spice thistle
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ffxiv has ferrets?

main dirge
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rip

lost plinth
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ffxiv has ferrets?

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oh

heady solstice
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it does yeah

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emu

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you literally just did hells lid

urban kite
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yeah hells lid

heady solstice
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ffxiv has ferrets?

lost plinth
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wdym literally just

heady solstice
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like

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not even a week ago

urban kite
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its a pet that drops from there

lost plinth
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where the fuck was the ferret

heady solstice
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brrr

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its literally a boss

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idiot

wary gate
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NYOOM

lost plinth
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i t h a s a p e t ?

urban kite
heady solstice
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^

lost plinth
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oh my christ

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@spring heath can i owe you some more

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jk

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how much is this thing

heady solstice
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uh

urban kite
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probably not much these days? dunno

heady solstice
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9 trillion gil

lost plinth
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oh. there's actually

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none

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listed

urban kite
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oh thats even worse

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just run hells lid

heady solstice
lost plinth
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i'll hop worlds after i've done this roulette

heady solstice
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i need to uh

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get phantasma

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soonish

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before patch day

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unless we use allegory to upgrade the neo ish gear

wary gate
main dirge
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I wonder how fish react to that tube thingy

lost plinth
main dirge
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gordon ramsay does tik tok now?

lost plinth
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apparently

hardy forge
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he started during the lockdown

main dirge
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dayum

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he got spied on by chinese

lost plinth
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i may have found the worst name of the bunch

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Cloudx Leonhartx

neon hinge
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Gross.

wary gate
lost plinth
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Current Prices for White Whittret on Crystal
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3360000 gil x1 [Goblin]
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oh dear

thin basaltBOT
lost plinth
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Oh bot don't bother

neon hinge
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xD

lost plinth
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Oh god it's going to

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Someone make it stop

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thank fuck

timber crag
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@Fuck thank you

urban kite
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matoot

lost plinth
wary gate
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kek

main dirge
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gil is how we'd call the thing you get from nose picking

wary gate
spice thistle
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Best video ever

spring burrow
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wtf

lost plinth
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i have made

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a glam

spring burrow
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hat child has big hat

heady solstice
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h a t

lost plinth
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i was looking around for hats

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and that one

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fit the bill

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plus the face in the first screenshot is excellent and wholly unintentional

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I debated going for a smaller hat but the robe is pretty wide so she needed the height

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to not be like, square

wary gate
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my new hoodie has arrived

spring heath
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I shared that earlier, gg

lost plinth
heady solstice
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same tbh

lost plinth
spring heath
lost plinth
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power squat

spring heath
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he gonna leap off at someone

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they're gonna catch these hands

lost plinth
spring heath
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teach him to sit right

#

like a person

fallen nexus
#

HELLO

severe river
#

HI

wary gate
#

Hey Thulm

heady solstice
#

HELLO THULM

spring heath
#

sup

#

MNK is so boring

#

this and BLM are going to be so tedious to level

spice thistle
#

BLM is better than MNK

spring heath
#

they are both BORING

spice thistle
#

BLM is just Fire + Arcane in steroids

spring heath
#

I don't really play Mage

#

because

#

it's BORING

spice thistle
#

ow

#

what about

#

red?

spring heath
#

I like RDM

#

I like WHM

#

I mean WoW Mage and BLM

#

are

#

BORING

lost plinth
#

i like blm

#

above level 68

#

before then ehhhhhh

#

@spring heath you got anything above 70 to do?

#

because in absence of anyone being able to spot me about 4 million gil i'm trying to get a pet

spring heath
severe river
lost plinth
#

well d'you want to bring pld or drk to my hell's lid spam

#

won't be much exp but i suppose it'd be >70 rotation practice?

spring heath
#

I'm assuming synced?

lost plinth
#

yarp.

spice thistle
#

no

spring heath
#

meh

lost plinth
#

i mean if we can get a third to speed it up

#

but i doubt one 80 and a sub 80 would go dead smooth

#

so mak

spring heath
#

I mean I have two 80 classes

lost plinth
#

I mean that'd work

#

if you wanted

#

i was kinda on the 'job leveling' theme but that's cool too

spring heath
#

Possibly in a bit
I'm kinda spaced out in general atm, eating dinner

lost plinth
#

fair nuff

#

the pet i want from it is an unholy sum on MB

#

so i gotta farm it

spring heath
#

Valid

#

we can work on getting you the cutie Soon

lost plinth
#

Soonℒ️

spring heath
#

If it's anything like Lesser Panda, though...

#

My friend and I have done Aery runs countless times and only JUST got the first baby to drop

lost plinth
#

i think the first purchases hat child made as soon as she had the money were 2 hats and panda

spring heath
#

I wonder how many Law tomes Ris will have by the time all things are 50+

#

He's got 270 atm

lost plinth
spring heath
#

lol

grand garden
#

guys is it worth it to spend money on digital deluxe or just regular? i wanna buy my first expansion but dont know if i need anything else besides bfa

spring heath
#

Honestly anything in the digital bundles are cosmetics. If you're new, it's best to start off with just sub time until you get to level 110 and are ready for the current content

grand garden
#

well i can just boost a char to lvl 110 right?

#

im confused cuz bfa allows me to get to lvl cap right?

#

120

spring heath
#

Yes, but if you're new you really don't wanna boost

urban kite
#

Please dont boost

grand garden
#

oh i have a warlock lvl 46 that i play

#

thats my highest rn

urban kite
#

Play that or start again

grand garden
#

whats wrong with boosting?

urban kite
#

Because if you’re confused about buying an expansion pack, think how confused you’ll be after skipping the entire game

grand garden
#

i only do dungeons now anyways

#

i dont follow storyline

urban kite
#

Do you know the dungeons?

lost plinth
#

even worse tbh. don't be doing dungeons with fuckall idea of what your max level kit looks like

grand garden
#

yikes

#

i'll just play the game and figure it out, rather jsut experience it

urban kite
spice thistle
#

What the heck Macho

#

I am just playing SM64

heady solstice
north verge
#

anyone know how download videos off oyutube

lost plinth
wary gate
#

I really wanna play SM64 again

#

but I don't have a proper controller

#

hell, even a gamecube controller would probably be alright

spice thistle
#

im using an xbox controller

wary gate
#

ew

main dirge
#

what's SM64

wary gate
#

super mario 64

#

freaking babies

spice thistle
#

Im in section 2

wary gate
#

I was ready to throw hands

#

well shit

#

wait... I'm already gay

main dirge
wary gate
#

foxy posted that awhile ago

main dirge
#

ah

#

some days ago I tried to find it but couldn't

zenith summit
#

is it worth getting?

#

rn

spring burrow
#

???

wary gate
wary gate
main dirge
main dirge
hardy forge
north verge
urban kite
#

😠

empty swallow
#

fuck bee swarms

#

gimme stickbug

#

@hardy forge send me 1 year sub to ff14 ty

hardy forge
#

No lul,buy it yourself

empty swallow
#

wtf

daring tapir
#

monte

empty swallow
#

I know you're a godfather dafire

#

loan me a few millis

daring tapir
empty swallow
#

wtf

daring tapir
#

get bunnyd

empty swallow
#

reported

daring tapir
urban kite
hardy forge
#

the classic

lost plinth
#

the OG audio to that is funnier

urban kite
#

god i hated mk4

lost plinth
#

end my fucking life

urban kite
#

warrior no care vuln, holmgang never die

#

too busy using his 0.6 braincells on felcleave

daring tapir
#

tsuku nm is harder than ex

terse flower
#

Lol, I join a WoW discord and find XIV stuff ^^

urban kite
#

because this is the offtopic channel

terse flower
#

So I'm an XIV player

#

Got a few question about WoW

daring tapir
#

because ff>wow

terse flower
#

Where should I go ?

urban kite
#

again, this is the offtopic channel

deft vapor
terse flower
#

Well, mostly if you guys play both

lost plinth
#

yeah you'd be best asking wow shit in wow channels

terse flower
#

may be yo could help

lost plinth
#

basically nobody in this channel plays wow but we do read other channels

#

sometimes

terse flower
#

lol !

deft vapor
#

we can, but y'know, in #wow-help the channel dedicated to help with things related to wow

terse flower
#

Sure lemme try

#

So basically as you know we've been having same tier for a while and shit get boring

lost plinth
#

hold up lemme flip this around in a wow context

#

i can tell you how wow is currently

terse flower
#

yeah tell me

daring tapir
#

corrupted

lost plinth
#

we've been having same tier for a while and shit get boring

terse flower
#

hahaha

#

Same trouble, different game xD

#

Well I got a friend who tries to get me to play WoW I tho may be wait shadowland and see anyways

#

One thing that bother me, is reading the guides, they all say targeting BiS is unrealstic ?!

lost plinth
#

thing is

terse flower
#

So they make other BiS only from raid drops ?

lost plinth
#

in xiv, you do the content you get the loot

#

wow has a lot more random aspect in what you get

terse flower
#

yeah and get bis in like 16 weeks max

lost plinth
#

like, stat rolls, gear procs

#

no luck protection like pages

terse flower
#

oh sh1t

lost plinth
#

so you can target bis

#

but you'd have to be lucky

#

And also shit like gear items that were so ludicrously good they're worth losing 30 item levels in that slot over

terse flower
#

I dont get the stat rolls

#

say you got the same gear, the stat could be different ?

lost plinth
#

i was being a bit pretentious there, but basically gear for the past couple expansions has been able to roll with random attributes

#

be it secondary stat distribution, increased item level, secondary effects, shit varies with whatever patch

deft vapor
#

those random attributes are EXTRA stats on the items, however

lost plinth
#

yes

terse flower
#

oh no I see the hatred about RNG

deft vapor
#

so they don't replace anything, just gets added ontop

terse flower
#

now*

lost plinth
#

like this patch has frankly sucked fat dongs because gear could roll with secondary corruption effects, like a kiss:curse mechanic where you get nuts effects at the expense of random debuffs

#

and the corruption effects rolled right could be like 40% of your dps output easy

terse flower
#

what's attracting me tho, is there seems to be like 8 raids ? compared to 4 from xiv ?

lost plinth
#

Well

#

so

urban kite
#

5, currently

#

technically only 1 that matters

lost plinth
#

in xiv nobody gives a shit about alliance raids cause they're small brain head empty content

#

however

terse flower
#

Yeah I'm talking savage

lost plinth
#

wow drops a raid the size of a FULL 8-man, each tier, the size of an alliance raid

#

so they drop 12 bosses 10-30 man raid each major patch

deft vapor
#

WoW typically has 4 raids over the course of an expansion (sometimes one smaller 2-3 boss raid inbetween)

lost plinth
#

so in the context you say it, yes, they do drop a full expansion's of 8 man raid each patch

terse flower
#

so it's kinda like 1 alliance and inside you got 8 savage boss ?

deft vapor
#

and then a rotating selection of world bosses

lost plinth
#

well

#

you get 12 bosses

#

generally

#

in each tier

empty swallow
#

woah

deft vapor
#

8-12, hasn't it been?

empty swallow
#

Uldir was 8, BoD 11, EP 8 and Nya 12

lost plinth
#

and the actual headcount of a wow raid tends to be give or take 24

#

Oh yeah

#

and not counting crucible which was 2, but since that was a minor patch raid

empty swallow
#

Crucible was kreygasm

lost plinth
#

crucible sucked dongs

#

hated that shit

empty swallow
#

yeah it sucks if you're a bad player I can understand pepelaugh

lost plinth
#

uu'nat mythic broke my raid team

empty swallow
#

GWcmeisterPeepoLove yust a yoke

lost plinth
#

big sad

terse flower
#

so Ny'alotha is only 1 instance

empty swallow
#

yes

#

with 12 bosses

#

all at once

terse flower
#

holy shit

#

how long a run take ?

lost plinth
#

uh

#

depends

deft vapor
#

well.. not all at once but in that same instance, yeah

lost plinth
#

couple hours?

empty swallow
#

if you've fully progressed a full clear is like 3hours more or less

deft vapor
#

depending on how prepared the group is, between 2-4h (or much longer if Mythic progressing)

lost plinth
#

wow raids do have considerably more trash compared to xiv

#

which is to say, they have trash

terse flower
#

wait mythic isnt something seperate ?

urban kite
#

which usually isn't an issue or takes that much time but yeah

lost plinth
#

so like a considerable margin of that clear time is cleaving through trash hitting bosses

empty swallow
#

Mythic is a difficulty

#

Just like savage

deft vapor
#

Mythic is the highest difficulty to the raid

lost plinth
#

Normal-Heroic-Mythic

terse flower
#

ohhh so kinda like normal/savage ?

lost plinth
#

Savage is somewhere between heroic and mythic in terms of demanding difficulty

deft vapor
#

(and easy-but-still-harder LFR)

empty swallow
#

Savage is like heroic

lost plinth
#

Ultimate is mythic on steroids

empty swallow
#

ultimate is mythic

lost plinth
#

ultimate has a lot more instant wipe dickslap mechanics compared to mythic

#

mythic's just hard

empty swallow
#

I have never enjoyed instawipe mechanics

lost plinth
#

yuup.

empty swallow
#

0 counterplay other than nobody gets hit

lost plinth
#

but savage is broadly between heroic and mythic in wow terms

terse flower
#

how'd you compare e8s to nyalotha in mythic ?

lost plinth
#

e8s is a bitch so

#

that's definitely upper end of the spectrum

empty swallow
#

e8s is pretty tough, wouldn't say it's anything like nzoth tho

terse flower
#

I guess each of the 12 bosses increases in difficulty ?

empty swallow
#

even though nzoth was one hell of a borefest

lost plinth
#

ra-den maybe

#

Yes but no

empty swallow
#

depends on the raid ridan

lost plinth
#

The first boss is usually a loot pinata

#

usually

empty swallow
#

For example nyalotha is split up into wings, so there's like 4 different routes you can take with 3 different bosses per wing

#

other than the first 3 which you have to do

lost plinth
#

Yeah

empty swallow
#

the last boss of the wing is the hardest out of the 3

#

most of the time at least

lost plinth
deft vapor
#

typically first 2-3 (~25%) bosses are loot pinatas you can easily learn tactics to

lost plinth
empty swallow
#

Yeah the first 3 in nyalotha were braindead ez

terse flower
#

kinda like e5s

lost plinth
#

worth noting in that second image each wing has 2 bosses

empty swallow
#

Any raids first boss is always easy, and the next few are generally still easy if you're a good raid team

#

the maw has 3 bosses

#

Shadhar drest and ilgy

lost plinth
#

the difference between xiv 8man and wow raid content, is WoW raid difficulty goes, in other words, duty finder-normal-heroic-mythic

#

So the only difficulty you can QUEUE for is a severely watered down normie version

#

and there are 3 proper difficulties

#

that require PF

empty swallow
#

normal isn't a difficulty

lost plinth
#

well yeah

#

but

#

still requires PF

#

although not that much more power, brain or character wise

terse flower
#

nah normal is just duty finder

empty swallow
#

you just can't duty find it

#

you have to get a group

#

on your own

#

and enter the instance

#

manually

terse flower
#

nope

#

or you mean in wow ?

empty swallow
#

we're talking about WoW

terse flower
#

ohhhh

lost plinth
#

wow duty finder difficulty just has all the mechanics that require some semblance of communication, removed

terse flower
#

why they did that ?

lost plinth
#

Because people are fucking morons

empty swallow
#

Because it's cooler

terse flower
#

haha

lost plinth
#

You get stormclouds dropped on your ass in melee? Yeah, try that in a 24 man raid

empty swallow
#

I love entering the raid with all the bois at once

terse flower
#

how's having 24 other people compared to only 7 ?

lost plinth
#

less individual responsibility

empty swallow
#

mechanics are different

#

WoW mechanics are a lot about team effort compared to this guy does this solo

lost plinth
#

ye

terse flower
#

nice nice

#

but finding 24 others ?!

lost plinth
#

azshara wards is a good example

#

eh

empty swallow
#

It's not that hard

lost plinth
#

it takes time but it happens

empty swallow
#

and mythic is only 19 others including you

#

since its 20man

lost plinth
#

yeah mythic is set 20man

#

while all other difficulties scale for player count

#

within rsn

empty swallow
#

and you can take any number into a raid, 24 is just like the player agreed number or some bullshit

#

2/4/14 derps

terse flower
#

ic ic

#

but I guess less people mean less to fight loot with ?

lost plinth
#

yeah you can technically run 2/3/9 or even less

#

No

deft vapor
#

LFR/Duty Finder, Normal and Heroic scale (semi-)dynamically between 10-30 people

lost plinth
#

oh boy someone describe wow's loot system to this poor mans

daring tapir
lost plinth
#

You know how dungeons above like, stormblood give you a courtesy item at the end?

#

Yes

#

Everything

#

And no rolls

terse flower
#

ohhh ok

lost plinth
#

So you kill the boss, you get a piece of loot for you

empty swallow
#

@terse flower It changed in bfa so that everyone has their own loot chance, so like out of 8 pieces lets say that drop for the whole 30man, 8 random people will get loot

lost plinth
#

Or you don't

deft vapor
#

loot is basically, and note, VERY ROUGHLY, 1-2 items per 5 players

lost plinth
#

But that's independant of everyone else

daring tapir
#

which is basically 90% gold that you get from bosses then the rest is actual loot

lost plinth
#

XIV current loot system is how wow's used to work

empty swallow
#

It's pretty shit and nobody enjoys it other than idiots

lost plinth
#

but blizzard removed it

#

because

#

Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

terse flower
#

may be they'll put it back in shadowland ?

empty swallow
#

because some crybabies were in cesspool guilds and got loot stolen and couldn't just /gquit, but wanted the game to be the way they want it

#

Nah they don't plan to

terse flower
#

the page system feels nice tho

empty swallow
#

Gotta pander to the casuals man

#

I still see no reason to not bring back ML

#

lmfao

lost plinth
#

at least wow players are more thick skinned than xiv

empty swallow
#

ah yes

lost plinth
#

xiv players are a different fucking breed of special

empty swallow
#

@terse flower in WoW you can have a damage meter without it being considered a taboo topic and shittalk trash players GWseremePeepoGGERS

deft vapor
#

I would say "debatable" but I haven't actually played XIV

empty swallow
#

@deft vapor did you not see yesterdya

terse flower
#

act ?

empty swallow
#

yeah basically ACT

#

but it's fully legal

lost plinth
#

xiv players be like 'i will votekick you from the dungeon for asking me not to spam fucking bootshine'

empty swallow
#

and you can download 2000 other addons to make your game better

#

and blizz doesn't care

terse flower
#

so say I look this up a guide

deft vapor
#

even if I did, I prolly didn't care to remember it

lost plinth
#

wow players be like 'yo man your dps sucks dick' and everyone is fine with iot

#

yeah that's a bis list for raid content

empty swallow
#

That is your theoretical BiS gear ridan

daring tapir
#

say that in ffxiv and you'll scar somebody for a lifestime

terse flower
#

all the gear is from the raid right ?

empty swallow
#

but there's 20 other systems

lost plinth
#

Arguably

#

yes

#

the orange item is a relic

#

as you'd understand it

deft vapor
#

that's just bis gear you can get from the raid

empty swallow
#

yeah that's all raid gear minus cloak and neck

lost plinth
#

Yes

#

Orange and gold are relic items, if you like

deft vapor
#

but there's other sources you can get gear from, that has either the same stats, or minor differences in stats

terse flower
#

xiv players be like 'i will votekick you from the dungeon for asking me not to spam fucking bootshine'
@lost plinth yeah XIV playerbase is bad, just look at the clear rates ...

lost plinth
#

well, in this context anyway. Orange generally means legendary rarity

#

And gold means artifact/relic

empty swallow
#

orange is legendary gear, you'll see lots in shadowlands if you decide to play

terse flower
#

but there's other sources you can get gear from, that has either the same stats, or minor differences in stats
@deft vapor like where ?

empty swallow
#

dungeons

#

are a big source of loot in WoW

lost plinth
#

WoW has infinitely scaling difficulty/reward of dungeons

deft vapor
#

dungeons, through the Mythic+ system

empty swallow
#

we have mythic+

lost plinth
#

because our dungeons aren't a glorified hallway

terse flower
#

yeah the famous m+ that everyone talk about to get implemented in xiv xD

deft vapor
#

where you clear increasingly harder dungeon runs under a timer, to get better and better gear

empty swallow
#

yeah dude fuck XIV dungeons

#

absolute borefest

terse flower
#

agreed

lost plinth
#

i mean they look pretty

#

but

#

eh

empty swallow
#

walk straight for 20mins

terse flower
#

so as general rule of thumb how is gear progression at max lvl in WoW ? run dungeons then M+ and raid ?

lost plinth
#

wow dungeons are like haukke manor if maybe all the fucking doors worked from stage one

empty swallow
#

@terse flower The dungeons in WoW have so much more, since classes have utility shit like rogues have a shroud which can stealth the entire group for 15 seconds and you can skip mobs to not pull

deft vapor
#

walk straight for 20 minutes
"LOOK OUT BOSS KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT DEAR GOD KILL IT"
"oh good you killed it, good job!"
walk for another 20 minutes

empty swallow
#

M+ and raid are the 2 main ones yeah

#

There's stuff like pvp but only high rating gets you good gear

lost plinth
#

you can run m+ for like, a considerable way

#

the highest IL reward from m+ shies like 10 ilvls short of mythic raid

terse flower
#

seems like gear progression is more in depth also

empty swallow
#

Not in a good way

#

xd

terse flower
#

minus the stat rolls that I dislike

lost plinth
#

but in wow you're looking for good secondary effects

#

cause we got like

empty swallow
#

There's way too much going

lost plinth
#

[Ashvane's Razor Coral]

thin basaltBOT
terse flower
#

rng damage ?!

lost plinth
#

haha welcome to wow

empty swallow
#

?!?!?!

terse flower
#

wtf lol

empty swallow
#

xD

#

Wait till they find out about corruption

lost plinth
#

[twilight devastation]

thin basaltBOT
terse flower
#

I read the hate on it yeah

empty swallow
#

[Infinite Stars]

terse flower
#

Tho didnt understand everything

empty swallow
#

wtf

thin basaltBOT
daring tapir
#

corruption is no

main dirge
#

the going merry's head got some smug

empty swallow
#

IT's fine, corruption is going away in shaodwlands ridan

lost plinth
#

corruption is also a fucking meme in pvp

empty swallow
#

you don't need to know it

main dirge
#

is it llama or alpaca

empty swallow
#

llama I believe

lost plinth
#

llamas and alpacas are different animals

#

llamas are larger

main dirge
#

gotcha

empty swallow
#

or not a llama even

#

might be a ram

main dirge
#

oh rip

terse flower
#

Also, what's the deal about having to play more in WoW or being left behind is it just a false thing ?

empty swallow
#

That's a theme in bfa

#

for the minmaxers

main dirge
#

I kinda like the edit of ship in Skypiea

empty swallow
#

I can explain just let me write out a manifesto

terse flower
#

take your time buddy, it's already nice to answer all my questions

lost plinth
#

azerite power dailies

main dirge
heady solstice
terse flower
#

what's this ?

daring tapir
lost plinth
#

an expression of everyone's thoughts and opinions of daily quest powercreep

terse flower
#

my friend is a liar lol, I told him I like the casual vibe of XIV, when I'm done with a raid tier and geared 2 jobs BiS I like to take a break before next tier

lost plinth
#

let's let monte finish

heady solstice
daring tapir
hardy forge
#

there's also a ton of catchup mechanics for that ridan

#

xD

#

let monte finish