🗣️┃chill-chat

[hoary wind]

The screenshots are from the site though...

[rough helm]

well there is a suno plugin in Bing Copilot

[frank panther]

we were bad... and Suno left us for ElevenLabs...

[hoary wind]

Good point. I always forget about that Copilot thing. tbh i have no idea what it even is

[rough helm]

Copilot is GPT-4 with internet access

[graceful swan]

Copilot Maybe?

[strong agate]

Certainly a positive, complementary article. Gotta respect ElevenLabs for that, especially because at the time the article was written (February), they were likely well into their development.

[frank panther]

It's a whole category of 'Alternatives'

[frozen temple]

Eh it wouldn't hurt.

seeing we have a bunch of flavors of electronic music heads in here. How would one go about describing this in a few terms?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0THUTX2lXps

my fav tekken

[frank panther]

chaotic nü (idk what beats subgenre), fast arpeggiator, rising tension

[frozen temple]

[fossil mesa]

oh look, another potentially trillions++ dollar economic black swan event might happen to us again in the 2020s tomorrow. neat.

[digital idol]

/chirp song

[dry creek]

https://youtu.be/6HGTM8kO5MY?si=0u-ofWvNQvMKgFqV did my first Udio rewrite!

[ashen fjord]

Chirp bot is retired, use the website https://suno.com

Some helpful starting links: https://suno.wiki
https://youtu.be/lj8utBd_IUM

[wise zealot]

gonna work on new pfp

hmm

[vapid jay]

Hello guys, I have already created several albums with about 18 songs each, and I want to start distributing it on all platforms, which distributor do you recommend? I'm between distrokid or symphonic.

[wise zealot]

its distrokid

https://distrokid.com/vip/seven/7008011

here ya go

im already there

there pretty good

[vapid jay]

I thought that, but I'm afraid it will go wrong

i hav member dont worry xD

[wise zealot]

oh

go wrong

?

[vapid jay]

I don't know, I'm about to pay for the membership, I'm going to opt for the popular one to have control of everything

artis plus is better

[ashen fjord]

DistroKid and Ditto are known to accept and distribute AI songs
TuneCore and CDbaby are known to reject
#💡┃suggestions-web message

[wise zealot]

do what u gotta do king

[vapid jay]

Thank you, for now distrokid seems like the best option to me

[wise zealot]

clean ass glasses

guess alone in here

fk it

my new cave

https://tenor.com/view/salt-salt-bae-season-cook-cooking-gif-13278684

[wise nebula]

funny how typing Gaza results in a immediate flag for moderation.

[wise zealot]

lol

well

i guess its to protect controversial memes

[frank panther]

it's funny how you lie.

[wise nebula]

I should have elaborated, its was flaged when, i wrote it in a mockery song about another country., (the word gaza is not censored by itself)

[frank panther]

clearly not even close to what you said.

[wise nebula]

well english isnt my first languege, so i plead inocence

[frank panther]

You english reads perfectly fine.

As you know.

[hoary wind]

It couldn't have been a more clearer statement tbh.

[west hull]

the bird on twitter was free'd btw, coping on gaza/israel there is encouraged, just go there homeboi

[daring mountain]

https://www.udio.com/songs/sxP62KBSf76XBgekzxm6r1

[shell compass]

https://suno.com/song/7c45a605-dfae-4d1b-897d-f80596bc86ef

[grim idol]

Northern half of US, night sky is very purple right now if you can get far enough away from a streetlight and let your eyes adapt to the dark. Or use night mode to take a 2 or 3 second exposure

[graceful atlas]

wow some awesome Udio updates lately, really hope we can see some of that stuff come to Suno

[ashen fjord]

I know that inpainting was being mentioned for implementation in v4 for a few months

[graceful atlas]

Treeview is a game changer too

[ashen fjord]

And, of course, general improvement and hopefully audio quality. We just have to wait and see how v4 turns out to be

Hm, I assume that is the folder sorting system? That would be nice to have

[graceful atlas]

yeah, cleans up the creation view really nicely. You can collapse or expand all variations of a song

[ashen fjord]

Nice, so envious of that

[opaque sedge]

https://suno.com/song/692d3316-0f1b-44cf-8b22-da8557c7b67b here for the rap battur

[manic dune]

NBA anyone? https://suno.com/song/814b20a7-734b-40ee-af78-d634f269dec0

[tame shuttle]

https://www.udio.com/songs/8JPPi9wXgSX12cbU7Cktfe goku vs Superman rap battle still working on it lol

[prime bronze]

With Distrokid you can release album with upto 36 songs, but the cost for legacy seems to increase only from 20 eur (1 song) to 40 eur (36 songs), so if you want your songs to stay online even if you terminate your distro account, it might be wise to maximize your song number before release

[rain quartz]

s

[frosty obsidian]

funny how mockery around countries that are in a state of war are flagged for moderation and might just be in bad taste. 🤔

[frosty obsidian]

makes more sense to switch to a different provider later that offers lifetime uploads as an inclusive service.

well - might make more sense ^^

[tame shuttle]

https://www.udio.com/songs/m6KNvtJ21Agbt5Bkjv2tou sounds weird but

[vapid jay]

but distrokid supposedly has unlimited uploads to all platforms

[candid valve]

like it up top 6!

https://suno.com/song/beedaa28-392f-490b-8565-9c577141ee82

[prime bronze]

Yes, but without the separate legacy package service at checkout they will get removed of you cancel or credit card is declined. Still distro might be cheapest per song for that service too, if you publish 36 songs.

[vapid jay]

You still recommend distrokid, I'm about to launch the subscription

[prime bronze]

You can also republish on distro as singles first and later as album, what I'm doing. I've now just pumped out like 25 singles and when reach 36 i will publish them all under album and pay the legacy pack

[vapid jay]

And I think I'm going to opt for the artist plus membership, which I have a discount on

[prime bronze]

Yes, distro is the best for beginners. They are one of the few AI non-opposers and very fast. Your songs will be on youtube like today and on spotify on monday or tuesday

I have artist plus too. It gives access to Spotify artist

[vapid jay]

thank dude for the info

[prime bronze]

Read carefully all the boxes and extra services at thr end when publishing, and to be futureproof, I recommend stating Suno AI as music maker in the songs

And yourself for lyrics

Like this

[vapid jay]

Yes, that's what I thought, to clearly indicate that it was created with SUNO, even though the lyrics are mine, even so, I'm going to publish instrumental industrial metal right now, so the lyrics don't worry me.

[prime bronze]

Especially if only instrumental. The metal scene has proven AI hostile

[vapid jay]

I do not understand what you mean ?

[prime bronze]

For example

https://www.metalsucks.net/2024/05/07/ai-generated-metal-gets-the-boot-by-metal-archives/

Tbh pointless struggle. Buth I've never considered the metal people as being great intellectuals of our time, even when i've listened to powee metal all my life.

[vapid jay]

Well, the vast majority of my friends are metal composers and they love what I'm doing, they will be more open-minded people hahaah

In any case, industrial metal or synth metal is more synthetic than any other type of metal, so it doesn't worry me, it's as if I had an automatic Fl studio that composes the music for me.

In fact, I'm making music in the style of the soundtrack of the game DOOM, progress metal, synth metal or industrial metal.

Which is more synthetic than natural, haha

[prime bronze]

I think they are most threatened and thus most hostile. If you really think about it, you can create a passable song of synth metal in 10 minutes, which would take weeks from them

[vapid jay]

yes !

in 10 min i make 3 song xD

[prime bronze]

No studio time, no band, no training time, no record label bullshit

[vapid jay]

If you think about it, any instrumental song is made in minutes, with the right proms it takes minutes, yesterday I made 10 jazz rock songs in a matter of minutes, each one about 4 minutes long.

I repeated the word minutes a lot, sorry haha

[storm fog]

Ha, what happened to what Biohazard once sang: "Music´s for you and me, not the fucking industry" 😉

[frosty obsidian]

in 5 years no one will care.

[prime bronze]

Well no one is really ready for this level of democratization of music, but we just need to adapt. Not worth it to protest or fight against it.

[vapid jay]

No, I have been a designer for more. 15 years old and AI for me is more of a tool than a disadvantage

[prime bronze]

I personally believe in the freedom of expression that Suno and Udio and others bring to everyone. I can't sing or afford any studio time nor bands to play my lyrics. Now I can write lyrics and they are brought alive by ai

If some real artist is offended, then be better. I dont care

[storm fog]

Same her, plus i really...really really suck at playing ANY Instrument except for maybe a cowbell.

[prime bronze]

Heh, me too

[vapid jay]

I am a composer and I play 3 instruments and I don't have time for it, for me SUNO is a creativity tool and I have friends who use it to let's say, open their creative side

[storm fog]

And apart from all those industry shenanigans opposing AI Music....we are still far from the AI filling Arenas like Metallica or similar do. The live experience cannot be artificialized as of yet. 😉

[manic dune]

anybody up for some basketball? 🏀 https://suno.com/song/814b20a7-734b-40ee-af78-d634f269dec0

[vapid jay]

Another question, colleagues, do you recommend remastering the songs with a website or do you upload them directly to distrokid?

[hasty hound]

my advice is don't use Distrokid

[past tulip]

I NEED 1 MORE SUB FOR 1K IN MY BIO

[vapid jay]

why ?

[hasty hound]

because they advertise unlimited uploads and if you upload too much they ban your account from uploading more music yet you have to pay the annual fee for as many years as you want your music to stay online

[vapid jay]

Well, I'm not going to upload 200 songs either, and for now it's just a test, even so, thank you very much for the information

[rocky meadow]

Go by Bandlab. They have free mastering, so at that price might as well give the output a listen. https://www.bandlab.com/mastering

[frank panther]

free mastering means they do it for you? 🤔
an ai process? a tool?

[rocky meadow]

You upload your mp3 from Suno. It has 4 presets that do different things to the sound. I think it's fixed algorithms and not AI. But if you like how any of the 4 sounds, you can download the .wav. I believe it requires an account to download but no cost.

[vapid jay]

Thank you master

[cosmic tartan]

I miss the old V1 suno

[tidal wadi]

It doesn’t always turn out great

[rocky meadow]

True. But it doesn't cost anything but time to see if it improves your audio. Frank specifically mentioned uploading via Distro kid. One of the 4 presets is very similar to the $10 mastering distro wants to sell you at the very least.

[tidal wadi]

I see haha

[hoary wind]

Heh... Within days of Udio introducing paid subscriptions, the familiar "they give us bad generations so we burn more credits" conspiracy theories start brewing: https://www.reddit.com/r/udiomusic/comments/1cp9ovy/my_collection_of_previously_great_prompts_now/

Not having a dig at Udio, just interesting to see this observation being made. Just like Suno, I expect mileage will vary depending on prompts and a degree of randomness. I've certainly found this with both services in my time using them.

[frank panther]

isn't there a psychology term, Buyer's Remorse...

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-comic-book-guy-conspiracy-theory-coincidence-i-think-not-conspiracy-gif-4187110859394296512

[frank panther]

It's a byproduct of having the process 'behind a curtain'?

Like sooooo many discussions explaining to people that using a thumb-up/down is not actually 'training' the AI in realtime....

People fill-in the gaps with their mental model of what must be happening.... and they don't know what they don't know, but the brain tricks us by making stuff up... Dunning-Kruger...

omg, I just realized WE ARE AI....

[mighty ridge]

Any communities where they try to map out the whole current AI industry?

[mighty ridge]

Probably something like that

I'm very enthusiastic about this market. Someone that actively have tried or linked to a group of people trying to map out the whole new industry? It's not exactly new but. For many it is

[hasty hound]

I've been using Aiva since 2019, it was the original real music AI

[mighty ridge]

They have not marketed themselves well under the boom. Have not heard about them

[mighty ridge]

I really appreciate you sharing. I love researching new companies. It's soo competitive. I love it

[hoary wind]

In situations like this, what I like to do is try to see if a developer confirms/denies something so I can link to that every time (only to then be told "no, that's a lie" of course 😄 )

[mighty ridge]

When industries catches up there will be very expensive AI music tools that becomes industry standard and there will be lower quality or class that everyday people use. If that's not true the music industry becomes a lot of one hit wonders. But I still believe the music industry will consolidate their power, they often do in history;)

Or no hit at all. Just for fun. If AI can create great, great tunes consistently

[frank panther]

they are sitting on our cultural heritage.... If there ever is some qualifier about training data, they own everything within human lifetime.

But that is dinosaur-thinking of course.

The pleasure I get from Suno is about sorting through word-puzzles and getting endorphin rewards. It has nothing to do with following some pop idol who is dating a sports franchise while wearing a specific clothing brand.

[mighty ridge]

Yes, cultural bankers

[frank panther]

OOOH that's good!

[mighty ridge]

Yeah they're changing the music industry completely. I love it. We're part of the ecosystem tweaking it as well with our data / user input

Brb

[fast rivet]

@graceful swan same prompt to a picture ai "pikachu in mortal combat game fighting scorpion" ... difference 2 years time to develop. imagine suno in 2 years...

[graceful swan]

Yes, AI develops sooo fast. I am really looking forward to what there is to come.

Text To Speech is another good example

[fast rivet]

windows 98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj71ym1_mz8 vs. Suno 2024 https://suno.com/song/9b35c379-245f-4332-be27-b4baf3debb91 😏

[rocky meadow]

I love the feeling of perfectly encapsulating 'concept X' in 7 syllables or whatever was needed to complete the verse. On those occasions I pull it off anyhow. A puzzle is a great way to phrase it.

[graceful swan]

okay I had to actually laugh at this one 😄

[teal copper]

Can we ask them to expand the video link when they post it on X?

[cosmic tartan]

This was around when i found out about Suno (October 2023)

Nobody knew about it yet. I remember the old Suno. And then it became popular and people that are new don't know what Bark is.

I should go to sleep it's almost 12 am and I keep hearing eurovision songs around me

[frozen temple]

I'll give you a worse one, I wasn't here when Chirp was.

[hoary wind]

I joined when chirp was a thing but I only joined because of the website and never used chirp from discord

[west hull]

I'm so happy that I'm finally on Spotify 🥺 feels like a dream ngl

[hasty hound]

good luck 🙂

[sterile basin]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[austere tree]

Did you guys saw that new Elevenlabs generator?

[sterile basin]

Probably watching ESC today. Maybe i get some song inspiration 😄

[fresh sail]

/chrib

[frank panther]

Did they show anything more? or just the 2 songs?

[austere tree]

I saw like 3 or 4 so far on twitter, just want to know when we can start playing with it ;P

[frank panther]

I want to try it!
There's no info on their website...

[hoary wind]

I've not actually listened to the ElevenLabs demos before so I just checked them out. Unsure if the audio has been further compressed or if it's 1:1 the original generation but it sounds a bit like Udio in that I can tell it's an MP3. Probably the most important thing for me is how interesting the output will be. If it's high quality, good mix etc. but just a generic whatever-genre-you-input then nah

[frank panther]

Stability Audio recently went to 2 minutes....
I hear nothing about it, ever.
😞

[fossil mesa]

perspective

[frozen temple]

I don’t see why it was a problem I didn’t check my DMs

Just a hi

[late crown]

My DM had much more "content".. very colorful I might say

[hoary wind]

🤔

[late crown]

Yeah he really expressed warm feelings 😉

[hoary wind]

Oh dear. Hopefully those can be contained.

[frozen temple]

Now I feel unloved.

https://tenor.com/view/phone-angry-throw-mad-pissed-gif-16138725

[late crown]

Awww.. Next time I will send it directly to you 😛

[frozen temple]

"3Daizy isn't here right now, should I reconnect you to Opti instead?"

[frank panther]

I prompted for disco, and it didn't give me disco.
I left. lol

lol

isn't there a Meta one?

and Google has one

[skeptical look]

was a while ago...?

[hoary wind]

You didn't send it to the wrong person by accident, did you? (i.e. me!)

Just checking!

insane kazoo plays

[modern dove]

elevenlabs also beats suno

[hoary wind]

Cool. How do I use it?

[modern dove]

its private for now, but check out what they have released. sounds wayyy better.

probably 2x as good as suno which is wild

[hoary wind]

I've heard the demos. Hard to say how useful I'll find it until I get to try it myself though (I have particular tastes which Suno continues to meet - and Udio to some extent)

[modern dove]

Well, elevenlabs is already a well established company, before both suno and udio. Their sound effects model is also pretty good although they have been beta testing it for 3 months. I can see that sound effects model working nicely with the music model.

Combining the two would be quite powerful.

Basically I'd place a bet on elevenlabs beating both suno and udio but we shall see.

[ashen fjord]

TBH, that is not a useful indicator since it is very likely cherry picked. Seeing the quality from other people on the day of release is a better indicator of how it is

[modern dove]

Cherry picked, naturally. However the cherries were quite ripe

[ashen fjord]

More competition is better for the consumer anyways 🙂

Unless they all conclude

[modern dove]

That is my feeling as well. Not having an update on suno in almost a month is certainly a bad sign for their longetivity now.

Unless they can pivot and ramp up the communication

Think they need to hire more people personally but oh well.

[frank panther]

yes AI companies literally drop new models every 10 to 14 days....

[modern dove]

Yeah udio is going the opposite route and frequently updating their users

Perhaps they have more resources to do so

[frank panther]

updating their users...?
is that legal?

is that in the ToS?

[modern dove]

The announcements channel on their discord

Last one on suno was a month ago tomorrow.

Problem is I don't want to build a huge library on a service that might go bust

So my subscription is cancelled currently until I can tell which one will be pulling ahead.

[thorn lake]

Is it possible to cancel the annual subscription?

[thorn lake]

What is elevenlabs doing better than suno?

[rocky meadow]

All the eleven labs demos I thought sounded good. Especially the one that sounded like the kind of music I generally try to make. But I feel I could have cherry picked some Suno results comparable to most of them. But I am looking forward to v4 or news of v4 or something. Pokes with stick c'mon Suno do something personally as a user my preference would be more smaller engine updates with options to use the most recent x number of them. But I don't know how long and how much compute money it takes to train a model if there is any point to making a v3.1, v3.5 before v4. But as a user I'd have voted that if it was a vote.

[hoary wind]

Bear in mind that a new service that is in beta most likely has had "new features" in development for quite some time prior to them being unveiled. For example, I expect trimming and inpainting had already been developed and just weren't ready/accessible at the point where the public beta started.

[fossil mesa]

i keep a download of my suno songs with a backup, and one other cloud upload - should be cold storage anyways, no?

i'm just glad civilization is surviving a G5 solar storm this weekend (so far)

[daring arch]

I didn't even get to see the northern lights. 😦 Although probably due to light pollution.

(and a bunch of trees over there)

[hoary wind]

IMO it's not worth cancelling subscription for a service just because of a shiny new thing being unveiled - might as well make use of what technology is available at the time and switch if/when something better is actually available. But, that's just my opinion.

The decision making process for me is fairly simple:

1. Don't subscribe to anything just in case something bettter comes along
2. Subscribe monthly so I can use a service but can leave with minimal losses if I want to or something better comes along
3. Subscribe yearly and hope something better doesn't come along

(2) seemed the most logical for me, even if it costs a bit more per-year.

[fathom aspen]

That sucks. There is another chance tonight, (depending on the timing of the CME's)

I couldn't see much due to the lights as well, but my phone helped with seeing them!

[daring arch]

Oh wow.

I need to try that tonight just in case it shows up better.

But I dunno how good a camera you need for that.

[grim path]

https://trawaazrecords.bandcamp.com/album/high-compilation-alternative-album-vol-1 check this bangers

[fathom aspen]

Phone cameras work, just use night mode.

[hoary wind]

I thought Suno was too checks notes "Windows 95 MIDI" for you?

[grim path]

need to spread the wings brah

[grim path]

off back to udio cyaa

[hoary wind]

I'm not even sure what that was supposed to mean 🤷‍♂️

[graceful swan]

Advertising

[vale linden]

is udio copying suno ai interface/faq/etc.?

[hoary wind]

I don't think so?

[vale linden]

i just read their FAQ, sounds very similar to what suno has (e.g. https://support.udio.com/hc/en-us/articles/29240819901459-Questions-About-Generated-Content) .. also, their ui looks very similar to suno, even the help section

[hoary wind]

Both UIs are dark, the general functionality is the same so it's like how word processors, media players etc. have similar controls. Check Udio's song creation/extension interface, it is completely different to Suno.

The FAQs are likely similar because people have similar questions for this kind of service. The actual content of the FAQ is generally not the same though.

(aside from being a page full of text)

[vale linden]

e.g.:

udio: "The law regarding copyright protection over AI-generated works is complex and constantly changing, and the law may vary by jurisdiction. We encourage you to consult a qualified attorney about the latest developments and the scope of copyright protection available for the content you generate using Udio."

suno: "The availability and scope of copyright protection for content generated (in whole or in part) using artificial intelligence is a complex and dynamic area of law, which is rapidly evolving and varies among countries. We encourage you to consult a qualified attorney to advise you about the latest development and the degree of copyright protection available for the output you generate using Suno. "

many other examples there 😬

[dusty mauve]

Song

[hoary wind]

I kind of expect that to be similar because people will ask about copyright for both services - the services do basically the same thing.

[frank panther]

imitation is sincerest flattery.

[hoary wind]

tbh I wouldn't mind if Suno got inspired by some elements of the Udio UI.

[fading bay]

Hey j'ai fait un son avec une impro de guitare j'ai essayé de step up sur le mix vous en pensez quoi ? https://soundcloud.com/kyusenne/such-a-beauty

[thorn lake]

Users were a little bit confused in suno's subscription. The annual plan was the default. So you take the annual plan because you dont pay attention. Udio is putting the montly plan as default. This is better IMHO.

[vale lake]

just a Lil fun I've been having since I'm having to produce new written material

https://suno.com/song/dccca31f-d4cd-4e25-a1c5-4aaff76a99ba

also, incidentally, it appears a show is going to buy dialectic (accept it) so that's p amazing. I haven't signed the contract yet but, like, that's probably the coolest thing that's ever happened to anything I've produced

[sleek sky]

Oh my gosh, UDIO, LMAO, what a mess. I though Suno could improve, but now I think it's the best so far.

[sleek sky]

Tried Udio. Horrid, doesn't even understand genres in the way Suno does - and 32 second songs? Wow. Sound is beyond awful and 10 times more fuzziness. Not as horrid or bug-filled as Cassette AI by any means, will keep trying Suno. I find it fascinating, though, how the exact same prompts will result in completely different types of "songs" with different AI.

[sterile basin]

Switzerland won ESC
The winner song is really interesting, with many different parts

[safe peak]

I agree that the 32 seconds is incredibly annoying. Trying to build a song 32 secs at a time has led to some terrible results of mixed volume, instruments changing, I got very frustrated with it.

[high compass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQC0FI_asKY SamuraiGuitarist about AI Music Generation

[thorn lake]

Indeed "the exact same prompts" may "result in completely different types of "songs"" with the same AI.

[ivory gust]

I've made some music the hard way - not using any AI. it's hard work. don't do it. 😅
https://open.spotify.com/album/2waCXTRrMriXtIyWCccKpN
i hope posting this isn't some sort of violation.

it's dub-techno

[hasty hound]

had over 1000 plays yet?

[ivory gust]

i just released it right now, so no.

[hasty hound]

well it won't be monetised until you have had 1000 plays from many unique users

[ivory gust]

ok

[west blade]

A helpful mothersday map

[ivory gust]

imagine living in one of those "other" countries. that must be tricky.

"Thank you for calling. But why did you call today?"
"Mom, it says other on my calendar."

[hoary wind]

wakes up in a cold sweat
Is today the day?

[ivory gust]

and "Who's my mom even? Some other person?"

[late crown]

No mothers day for me 😦

[ivory gust]

the map lacks info for norway btw. (it should be pink)

From wikipedia.no: "Morsdagen er en hedersdag for mødre, som feires på varierende dato i forskjellige land. I Norge feires morsdagen den andre søndagen i februar, det vil si søndag 11. februar i 2024, og søndag 9. februar i 2025."

[strong agate]

I've used Udio pretty extensively, and you can almost work with the 32 second clips effectively, but it takes a lot of creativity. But yes, it's very limiting and seems unnecessary. And every song generated is some muliple of 32 seconds. My biggest frustration with it is trying to get a starting point, that one clip that I like enough to extend to a full song. In Suno, I can get a song that's good enough in 5-6 generations (occasionally 20, if I have something very specific in mind), but Udio consistantly takes me 50 to even 100 generations to get what I want. I do believe the sound quality (stereo, fidelity) of Udio is better, but the SONG quality, what truely matters to me, Suno is the clear winner. I've generated about 40 "keepers" now, songs that I listen to offline and like, and only 4 of those have come from Udio. What I DO like about Udio is the ability to extend before or after your clip, and calling out an intro or outro in that extension. That works well. And recently being able to mark the area to extend (throwing away "junk"). Inpainting sounds nice, but I haven't gotten it to work yet.

[stable coral]

this song is really catchy https://suno.com/song/ee6dc624-fa7e-41f6-937c-6b3bbce3480a

[late crown]

@last lotus No soliciting or advertising.

[last lotus]

I understand, my bad

[jaunty horizon]

Hi, i'm trying to generate a song in the Suno website and this message apears, whats does it means and how can I solve it?

[rose drift]

Help please, if i generate cool song in copilot, where i can i find in suno ai website.

[strong agate]

I've seen this in 3 situations:

1. I said something naughty
2. When extending a song there was silence at the end
3. Randomly because beta

[jaunty horizon]

Must be number 1 haha

[fossil mesa]

to anyone else using bandlab for mastering, i have a track that begins with an intake of breath and the bandlab studio is trimming the intake of breath (which i consider artistically important), anyone know how to stop bandlab studio from trimming what it considers blank noise at the start of a track? i cannot find a setting for this...

[minor ingot]

Soil music

[marble thicket]

@boreal hedge

[frank panther]

@minor ingot posting your music from other AI is allowed, but this server is PG-13. Don't push the privilege or it will go away.

[marble thicket]

@boreal hedge

[jaunty thicket]

i want to try with SD now

this look fun

[molten pecan]

since we're sharing.

I don't really do angels but I do love my cinematic landscape/architectural shots.

[marble thicket]

this is GREAT

which software?

[molten pecan]

yeah it's abit wonky on scale but otherwise good.

I use midjourney primarily.

[marble thicket]

oh that's a good one

I'm thinking of doing some landscapes but difficult

[molten pecan]

I'd use dalle more but I can't get custom aspect ratios on it without working through Chat-GPT so I don't really bother.

my current desktop background, had a day where working with cliffs was quite fun lol.

landscapes are way way easier than they were when AI Art was just taking off.

[marble thicket]

this one looks great

[vale lake]

I love ice cream

so it's almost the same

[marble thicket]

they added the aspect ratio you can choose now so not a problem anymore

[molten pecan]

I'll have to try it out again then, because I love Dalle's attention to detail just hated the ar limit when using it on bing lol.

[marble thicket]

mind sharing the prompt or a similar base? I wanna try on dall-e with my own touch on some castle stuff

[molten pecan]

I can look it up I don't remember hold on lol.

[molten pecan]

"contour castle surrounded by deep chasms" is literally all lol, aside from the style part of the prompt, which you can adjust to your liking

I love making oil paintings so mine are based off of that usually.

[fast iris]

/chip

where chip room ?

[frank panther]

"Chirp" has moved to https://suno.com

[molten pecan]

https://suno.com/ @frank panther but close lol. can't forget that s.

[graceful swan]

Oh that sounds like exciting news

[elder belfry]

@marble thicket What is the model or website that you used to create the above image?

[marble thicket]

dall-e

chatgpt+

[elder belfry]

Thank you

[marble thicket]

no worries! highly recommend it

[vale lake]

I hope the show gets picked up in any case

Also for my metalheads

Also made some happy accidents today

[ivory gust]

AI stuff? I'll throw this in then...

[vale lake]

That's why I love off-topic

So much cool AI stuff in here

For example, I've been operaing on a hunch that the primary issue facing most LLMs and basically all diffusion models atm is effectively overfitting. Essentially since this is an issue that humans face as well, its the whole reason, for example, if you encounter someone who is had eccentric hair and the last name einstein, you're probably more likely to listen to them than someone else.

But if you smooth out the "overfit" tokenization of Frankie Einstein by explaining that he's a chronically underemployed drunkard racist who hasn't paid child support in 10 years, suddenly the overfitting is less relevant.

So, basically it occured to me that the whole reason fooocus' method is so highly effective has to do with it loading up the model with tokens that diffuse (haha) the errors it is making due to massive overfitting.

In particular on data that it simply cannot contextualize, in the case of an image model, without being multi modal

like, they can generalize quite well

but the big mistake was feeding them a whole ton of title data and artist names, and not thinking that would have an impact, semantically, on the model's perception of words or concept attached to these titles

And I applied the same to LLMs, and basically got Claude to recursively improve its own context window in order to take an instruction set for an LLM as an input and modify it to be more resistant to the biases/overfitting in particular tokens/semantics.

In any case, I was then able to apply it to have it produce an instruction set that is of a high quality and does a decent job of priming other LLMs to take SDXL inputs and output a diversified version of it that increases prompt adherence massively

also this doozy of a negative prompt:

Which I had it produce and, again, increases adherence to the point where I can, on most models, increase the CFG to 30 without having artifacting

Which interestingly, produces highly consistent images

case in point, this is CFG 30 on checkpoint zavy chroma v7

Now, yes, its overstylized

but its coherent and hasn't degraded

[graceful swan]

👀

[vale lake]

prompt is a four part multiprompt where it restates itself in different language four times, and then foocus applies it as a multiprompt, effectively smoothing out the overfitting

produced by claude with a short, relatively straightforward input prompt

but like, at cfg 30, that's absurd

as a point of comparison, here is ONE of the multiprompts with the others removed

this is what a burnt in image looks like

and its due to voerfitting

overfitting

at least, that's my take, although I could be...

overfitting

[graceful swan]

hmm interesting... Maybe I should get back into AI image generation 😄

[daring arch]

Oh, we're doing AI images?

[vale lake]

Incidentally, it also means you can go above 1024 x 1024 if you want to

by cramking cgf

cfg

which is, to my knowledge, new knowledge

[quartz ridge]

Just created a server with an excessive amount of language channels and I don’t know why.

[daring arch]

also someone was talking about metalheads heh

Pirate disco.

That time i tried to make the Headless Horseman.

This would be an awesome album cover.

Mom's spaghetti.

[west hull]

Ayee 6 already 🥹💜

[austere tree]

My Medieval song collection is now available free on Bandcamp 😉 https://musefire.bandcamp.com/album/the-tipsy-turnip-tavern-medieval-songs-collection

[austere tree]

friends and family? Lol just joking

[prime bronze]

wow, congrats @west hull. Impressive that distro got it to spotify so fast even with the weekend and all

[wise zealot]

@west hull finally up

https://open.spotify.com/album/0rHTG0KLXrrsPPAusNKOPN?si=kJkExJsTQsuwlL9ZAUEPFw

[west hull]

gonna add it to my playlist 😄

[late crown]

@unkempt wharf No soliciting or advertising.

[marble thicket]

what's your suno account?

[wise zealot]

its in my name

lol

[marble thicket]

oh okay I thought that referred to spotify

[wise zealot]

https://suno.com/@insideoddsmind

[marble thicket]

I did music like this so I love yours

[wise zealot]

thanks

[marble thicket]

https://suno.com/@FoxMusic

[wise zealot]

u can follow me on suno then

[marble thicket]

https://suno.com/song/cfa39052-f3dc-4aec-ab10-690516dc2434

[marble thicket]

followed u!

[wise zealot]

since i usually post it on bigger platforms later on

[marble thicket]

okii

[wise zealot]

yt actually pushing my shi i guess

maybe in another life

[marble thicket]

oh

[wise zealot]

guess i need to re listen to what i've made

[marble thicket]

what do you think of this?

https://suno.com/song/cfa39052-f3dc-4aec-ab10-690516dc2434

[wise zealot]

lets hear it

ah

dubstep

[marble thicket]

if you have any improvements

[wise zealot]

wow

[marble thicket]

lmk

it's melodic dubstep

[wise zealot]

never thought violin dubstep could sound good

[marble thicket]

exactlYYY

so good

[wise zealot]

I mostly make Melodic Dubstep

if u didnt know

lol

[marble thicket]

yeah I love your songs

[wise zealot]

ah

appreciate it

[marble thicket]

xD

how do you usually go about writing the prompts though?

yours seem kind of complex

[wise zealot]

i use to use ai

but as i started creating

kept repeating the same shit

so eventually i just stopped

and i became so picky with tones flow sound clarity

but it just sounds so much better if u control the sound as u go

i tried making a different style last night

"House" edm

i was low on credits so i was worried i might not finish

[marble thicket]

oh okay

[wise zealot]

cause when u use lyrics for songs u eat so much more credits

[marble thicket]

what do you mean by as you go?

[wise zealot]

i extend after every 2 lines of lyrics

[marble thicket]

oh!!! really?

[wise zealot]

so that i can control the tone and make sure the lyrics fit

it doesnt sound robotic or feels like the singer is forcing

the pitch

for words

[marble thicket]

so you just write 2 lines everytime?

[wise zealot]

most of the times

sometimes i get lucky and 4 lines fit well sometimes

usually its 2 at a time

Stained Memories

was the song i extended the most

[wise zealot]

lemme know which ones your favorite

many have been dming me saying "maybe in another life"

[marble thicket]

ohhh that's a great way

do you keep same style when extending?

[wise zealot]

usually does

or atleast the main melody

[marble thicket]

so you just extend and don't change anything until the lyrics get fixed?

that's such a good idea

[wise zealot]

until the vocals are clean

[austere tree]

I dont get YT algo, some of my ai vid have like 500 views and some 50

[wise zealot]

and the tone is how i want

[wise zealot]

same

maybe what we think is good isnt what ppl think is good lol

[austere tree]

my channel got more then 7k views now but still not many like or comments

[wise zealot]

normal

[austere tree]

Yeah i think it's more of the algo, show things to the right people

[wise zealot]

the right audience

ye

[frozen temple]

Hot take, FFXIII beats everything after FFX.

[sterile basin]

Only 2700 Hours to go... x_x

[west hull]

I'd say either coming home late or maybe in another life, tho I like the whole album, very chill

[wise zealot]

thanks chibii

[worn crypt]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mnY_ihD4c8k?si=yiZCp_kWFcJ-p_22 LMFAO

[worn crypt]

https://youtube.com/shorts/RjxhBUiJ3lo?si=rcLxmx9nvCjAbQAA XD, also, I'm not sorry for whats at the end x3

[vale lake]

The band

This guy almost made the cut, but was too squishy

Night all

[late crown]

I made this one a while ago:

[vale lake]

E M O T I O N

[frank panther]

spycore

[wise zealot]

i wonder if it came out looking good

https://youtu.be/shfZohld_jk?si=ekvNOQHmdc1pw3Yo

im thinking for future videos

without texts or keep them

[opaque sedge]

not with Wonder I presume ?

face and armpit glitch

my commencing project

[grand anvil]

hey i’m a melodic new rapper i make rap similar to juice wrld and i have a song it’s called in the summer i’m only 18 trying to see if i can go far so i would appreciate if yous could give me 3 minutes of your time to listen to mysong feedback is appreciated and i have other songs up on my profile if you wanna hear more i recommend goodnight and what do you see https://on.soundcloud.com/fD28qoG67VdmfCvk9

[compact charm]

Can someone explain how to make the songs please..

[compact charm]

It's nice, I think you can go pretty far with stuff like this. Just continue this work, and you should go pretty far

[grand anvil]

thank you

[compact charm]

Your welcome

Also the lyrics themselves are nice and just with that it is very nice

And so is the music

[grand anvil]

appreciate it my guy

[opaque sedge]

press create on the Suno webpage and pick custom mode, then experiment. if u need help with lyrics just press "generate lyrics" after u write something,, or have a discussion with chatgpt . learn about extend later 🖖

[cunning stratus]

I struggle with quality going down when using the extend button. Is there a way do clean up the song after finish?

[compact charm]

Thanks!

[compact charm]

Yup

[compact charm]

"iNSOMNiA", should I upload or no?https://suno.com/song/63650f0e-7e58-4b1a-90df-7abaac0d6785

Didn't go exactly how I wanted to

[honest sparrow]

am i weird for listening to oliver tree - jerk just because its the original version of that one sigma song

[maiden hornet]

A musical producer has shared an opinion in the Udio discord that (quote) “SUNO is a toy for the for common user, which is not a competitor or a threat to musicians and the music industry. But the UDIO is a different beast indeed... Quality of generation, flexibility, a lot of parameters, possibilities of UDIO fascinate and frighten at the same time.”

Would you agree? Here's the link: https://discord.com/channels/1211680535286648843/1239268816333308086

[sleek sky]

There is NO ALGORITHM. It's mostly random. Don't believe ANYTHING you hear about analytics. There will always be weird clustering effects because people do random things and their choices vary from day to day.

[sleek sky]

I agree to a point, because it's hard to (randomly) get a rendering without that horrid resonance or with any kind of melody.

[hoary wind]

Haven't read it, just going by the part you've quoted... I find Suno is really good at coming up with memorable pieces of music, even if the audio quality is not that great. So I can see it being used for ideas. By itself, no, I don't think it's a threat, but existing musicians and professionals in the music industry might use it to make their jobs easier (generate a template for a catchy piece of music.)

[maiden hornet]

I added the end of the quote because it wasn't kind of the entire statement: "But the UDIO is a different beast indeed... Quality of generation, flexibility, a lot of parameters, possibilities of UDIO fascinate and frighten at the same time."

My opinion (also quoting from that thread): "I could definitely generate much more conventionally meaningful songs with Suno than Udio. Udio is great for experimentations, so I'm leaving it for experimental genres (think Vivaldi throat singing big beat), to explore new frontiers in sound and songwriting, while keeping Suno for the more generally accepted genres.

To my ear, (my) music made with Suno sounds like actual well-produced human music that was then purposely downgraded (for whatever reason) — while music made with Udio sounds like an alien trying too much too look like a human.

I blame (or rather attribute) it to the difference in technologies: Udio has diffusion while Suno has transformers. As a result, Udio has much better spectral fidelity (hence very few artifacts), but worse temporal fidelity (hence the sounds of drums are almost always kind of hissing)"

[hoary wind]

Yeah that seems about right. Sound quality doesn't mean much if what you're listening to isn't that interesting 😄

[maiden hornet]

Good to know I'm not the only one with this crazy thought!

[hoary wind]

I do get nice stuff from it occasionally, but I have to make an actual effort even to recall what nice clips I've got from it. Even just now I tried to remember how one of them sounded, and ended up recalling a Suno song with a similar vibe.

[maiden hornet]

lol. well, for what it's worth, I think Udio is much better built as a product, with easier playlist building, tree structures, realtime search/filter by name, etc.

not to mention the actual model tweakings available (inpainting with metatags for lyrics insertion, remixing, "extending back") etc. etc. If only we could have Suno's model and Udio's product 🙂

[cunning stratus]

Had to try Udio since people here talk about it. But i didnt like it. Couldnt find one song I liked at all. Tried making a song also, didnt go well. At Suno it does not take many clicks before you find a good song. And easy to make to.

[sterile basin]

The song from ukraine in ESC was really cool and i like the them. (Aswell as the message)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4N82wPpdg8
But i think it will be hard to get the such a voice like she has 😄

[frank panther]

Europe is so stingy

[sterile basin]

Oh ...

I think thats more of an US issue, or not?

[hoary wind]

It means whoever uploaded the video doesn't want people outside of Europe to see it I think

[sterile basin]

Well sometimes some countries prohibit themself

[sterile basin]

https://www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/ESC-2024-Alyona-Alyona-Jerry-Heil-landen-fuer-die-Ukraine-auf-Platz-3,ukraine3722.html Look here, scroll a bit down, there is the video too

I hope that will work

[frank panther]

Projections are excellent!

[eager warren]

https://tenor.com/view/sta-gif-4418353

[thorn lake]

Easy to start but difficult to finalize a song.
There are less means to control the output from suno.

[hoary wind]

My elderly cat enjoying a spot of sun

[cunning stratus]

Yes, hopefully it will be updated by time. I hope they will release a remaster button, for my songs that had to much extension and reduce in quality.

[worthy niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LARRxC5ulGQ&ab_channel=NoCopyrightMusic
J'ai créé une chaîne YouTube avec toutes les musiques que je fais avec Suno AI, puis que je mixe légèrement avec un logiciel de montage si cela vous intéresse de me suivre, toutes les musiques sont libres de droit.
bonne journée à tous!
I've created a YouTube channel with all the music I make with Suno AI, which I then mix lightly with editing software. If you're interested in following me, all the music is copyright-free.

have a nice day!

[sterile basin]

They really are 😄 T

[still iron]

@frank panther BEHOLD my robot emotions

Vs my okay-ish singing 😜

[frank panther]

IDOL! IDOL!

[still iron]

😅😅 I don’t think I’m good enough for competition lol

[still iron]

I think I’d have a better shot at being a comedian 😂

I was scrolling through my saved videos to see if I had anything else that I’ve sung. I almost spit my drink out. I forgot I made thing 🤣🤣🤣

[frank panther]

all that other guy has that you don't is a sparkle filter.

[ashen fjord]

And the right's autotuned voice...

[still iron]

Is that implying that his lyrics are just as garbage 😂

I’ve always said that I am the jack of all trades master of none. 😂 I get hooked on a bunch of different skills and only become average to above average at them.

[still iron]

Interesting cat

Up next in my circus act, BEAT BOXING! 😂

[grand anvil]

yupp

[normal grove]

\chirp

[late crown]

🐦 🪦

[frank panther]

so many AI 'bands'
so few AI DJs

[proud totem]

God yes

[frozen temple]

where is his red nose?

[frozen temple]

@frail grove I assume they mean this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Za5OpX8bM

[frail grove]

If that is what he meant, then I still have no clue what he was tryin to say with that

All I said was that I don't see myself or many others making a lot of money from online AI generated music because of the potential large amount of creators producing ai music

People only got limited amount of cash

And I don't think that's a wrong statement

But I'm open to be enlighted

[fast rivet]

you want to be enlighted by a lazy troll? good luck 😏

[frozen temple]

It's pathetic that it took a third party to produce the example.

[frail grove]

By anyone who puts in at least some effort in explaining things

At least I try to explain stuff in an argument

The phrase "google it" is just lazy in my eyes. I mean google produces results different enough for everyone that it's not guaranteed that different people gonna see the same results

[frank panther]

Is it really an argument if I just blurt out MADONNA and leave in a huff...?

[humble mirage]

open ai announcement bout to land

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQacCB9tDaw

[frail grove]

And everyone "googles" differently

[fast rivet]

in my country bbl is strongly connected to basketball... i dont even know how to find out what it is without adding things to the search. but i dont even know what to add.. like bbl slang... bbl cluture? no idea

[frail grove]

@frank panther no that's just you screaming MADONNA and leaving in a huff 🙂

[frank panther]

i have to search "what does <> mean on the internet?" way too often....

[frail grove]

@fast rivet In my case I found Brazilian butt lift, like wth...

[ashen fjord]

Which is the correct answer for the acrnonym in the BBL Drizzy song

[frail grove]

Soo... What was that pirateroberts guy tryin to tell me with that? I'm lost

[frozen temple]

idk

[fast rivet]

i am watching the open ai presentation... and chat gpt can sing now. not good but...

[frail grove]

It's a start

And then suddenly: world domination and skynet

[frozen temple]

If only it could write lyrics tho

[still iron]

Ah, back when I fiddled with Fl studio lol. Semi catchy beat to something I never finished(which was basically all my saves)

[sterile basin]

What does "Lola" mean?

[frozen temple]

It's one letter off from my ex

[sterile basin]

lol?

[frozen temple]

She got a new name anyway. Loa.

[ivory gust]

tonight's view...

[frozen temple]

I'd be more freaked out if you showed a picture of earth.

[ivory gust]

So, anyway, VR headset image quality, my verdict:
Pico 3: Even blind people would hate what this looks like. That's how bad it is.
Quest 2, 3, Pico 4: Pretty decent. High resolution. Poor black level. Some things look good.
Quest 1: OLED screens are the future display technology with a contrast ratio of 1:100000000000

@frozen temple i have been told by the vogons not to show that.

[vale lake]

I had the Oculus rift

OLEDs as well

was nice, but the screen door was insane

[ivory gust]

Niiiiiiiice.

[frozen temple]

Understandable, I still refuse to tell the location of the Mother Klownoid Fleet.

[vale lake]

Q1 I think was the sweet spot

[ivory gust]

also, the audio quality is pretty much the same

Pico 3 sounds like a smartphone

[vale lake]

Yea, I agree

[ivory gust]

Pico 4 and Quest-1 are "decent"

and mind you, "decent" is a very high rating coming from a sound engineer

[vale lake]

Yea, I also loved the way the pico 4 controllers felt, but yea, Q3 is insanely good

In comparison

tracking is just bonkers

[ivory gust]

ah yeah

[vale lake]

And it is way more comfortable than either

[ivory gust]

pico 3's controllers are hilariously large and bulky

[vale lake]

Especially with a halo strap

[vale lake]

See, I didn't mind it bc of how they made the rings

They mostly stayed out of the way

[ivory gust]

pico 3 controllers feels like holding two storks (yes, the bird) in each hand

[vale lake]

but their tracking algorithm had some annoying edge cases

that happened constnatly

[ivory gust]

but there are many aspects to a VR headset. a less known detail might be: what's it like to use as a developer. And that's where quest fails miserably. their incessant urge to suddenly kill your "developer mode" is a constant threat to sanity. and you have to go through what resembles a lengthy japanese tea ceremony (involving full marriage to your smartphone) in order to restore your humble status as a developer.

same thing with pico: You're a dev. Go nuts. No questions asked.

those chinese people are just more friendly when it comes to this.

mark zuckerborg requires you to enable both bluetooth, wifi and geo location on your phone in order to be a developer

... a phone which plays no role in actual development

Pro tip: Disable all that shit again once you went through the "tea ceremony"

so yeah... VR headsets are a complicated topic 😄

[vale lake]

Here are my headsets haha

Didn't prompt for them

but it definitely included them

[ivory gust]

but you got'em!

sometimes i think life mostly consists of two states:

1. you ask for it, and you don't get it
2. you don't ask for it, and you get it

like bob marley said: Wanti wanti no getti. Getti getti no wanti.

[tribal agate]

when OpenAI releases a SOTA multimodal gpt but i still like suno better...

[fossil mesa]

https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.09313 watching this one and open source citations of this one ..... 🍿 - i think open source might have some solutions soon for text-to-song in English that approach v2-v3 levels

Soon(tm) - but could be totally wrong and we have to wait 4 years T___T

at least Suno is not too expensive in the meantime

[vale lake]

when did this happen?

[tribal agate]

GPT-4o stream a few hours ago

[late crown]

Already using it 😄

[tribal agate]

if openai has ever charged your credit card, you have access apparently

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/pick-me-christina-aguilera-the-voice-gif-12852223

[kindred breach]

consulta, existe una lista de palabras prohibidas? estoy tratando de crear musica pero me tira un mensaje de error, pero no dice cual es el error

[naive rampart]

Tengo el mismo problema aqui. Me han dicho que ChatGTP puede ayudar. Bueno a mi no. Pruebalo. El Chat me sujeto sus palabras. 😅 Me ha dicho que mi revision esta buena pero Suno lo la quizo.

[wise zealot]

depende las palabras usadas y como las estas usando el la oraccion

[winged violet]

I can't make music right now

[tired folio]

?

[vale lake]

same!

it doesn't seem better quality, from my limited testing

but it's way faster

but it's a lot less creative

something gpt already struggled with

in any case, Claude's mid tier imo is the most creative

it seems to be the least restricted weirdly

like, it's a lot easier to trick. I often can get it compliant but just being frank with it that I could just engineer a prompt to make it do this anyway, but I prefer to remain in this context window and be upfront

[maiden hornet]

hear hear, you will be able to generate a 3-minute song in one prompt, because extensions “can be inconsistent.” Yay! /s

(this is referring to ElevenLabs' upcoming AI music generation tool)

[drifting topaz]

Best case scenario would be that all songs created were 30s, that way you can see if the feeling is right, and when you hit "complete" it just creates a full piece from your input based on those 30s

And depending on the length of your lyrics, that's 2, 3 or 4 minutes or whatever

It sucks how udio has so much better and clearer vocals but so much messier and chaotic melodic parts

[distant lintel]

I have a request if someone can do it for mi I will thank him so much

[frank panther]

🙄 There's a reason I stopped reading Tom's Hardware... LOL

[distant lintel]

I am creating an album and I was using DalE for the photos but my period of it finished the 9, can someone generate for me one image with the text I will send? I will appreciate it very much

Please

[hoary wind]

I expect their "create" button to be labelled "INSTANT BANGER!!!"

[tired folio]

Yes, I can

[hoary wind]

Now that Udio has paid subscriptions, suddenly there are people having a worse experience with it. 🤔 Seems familiar!

[graceful swan]

LMAO

Maybe it's the elevenlabs shills starting their operation now

[hoary wind]

It must be really annoying to be developing AI stuff where the model hasn't changed and have people stating that things are being made worse. It's not like there's a definitive way to prove either way, since all output is variable. Only comparing examples.

[graceful swan]

Yes.. I had a TTS "service" (one "customer") had the same thing.. at least I did not have to explain it multiple times that I will announce changes.

[fast rivet]

Quality journalism... where in the first sentence is a mistake. Amazing 😏

[stable garnet]

@everyone

[fast rivet]

uumm.. no

[fast rivet]

is there a reason to ping 400k people?

[hoary wind]

First word: attention
Second word: probably not pg-13

[graceful swan]

It's a progamer move you wouldn't understand 😏

[hoary wind]

Ah like the "SELECT * FROM" database queries I see people do at work

[warped gull]

Seeing as they are also pinging random user in General… I’d wager it’s a Any% Ban Speedrun

[late crown]

(looks at his history) So this is the "prank" you came up with so far?

[warped gull]

https://tenor.com/view/asdf-movie-punt-kick-donewiththis-gif-26537188

[late crown]

don't double post @wintry ivy

[hoary wind]

😅 (saw this and remembered the discussion yesterday)

[frozen temple]

@daring arch hear me out, sunos auto generation instrumental used for AID music automatically?

[daring arch]

Hmmm, intriguing, but I don't think their servers could handle that much influx of new users lol

Now, devs have a sub, so they could theoretically generate some background music in different moods that could loop, and perhaps even match it to the current mood of the story like how they match images to scenarios.

But I don't think you could have a setup where it's continuously hooked up to Suno to generate new stuff as you write. Too much server strain.

[trail sparrow]

Hello! Are you looking for more moderators? 👀

[hoary wind]

That's a very random thing to ask right after joining a server 😆

[late crown]

No.. and if we do we go for people who are here all the time and know all the answers..

[worn wren]

I'm not sure how much of a benefit this is. 90% of tracks generated I listen to for less than 30s because it's just not what I'm looking for. And most tracks that go the full 2 mins go wrong somewhere and you need to extend earlier. I think generating clips 45-60secs is enough to hear an intro/verse'bridge/chorus to know if you like the song, and then extend from there. It's absolutely true that extensions can be inconsistent, but I don't think making the initial generation longer and longer is going to be a game-changer?

I guess if most users want a 'complete' song in one hit it makes sense

[hoary wind]

I agree. I can usually gauge the vibe of a generated song fairly quickly and like to have some degree of creative direction (even if those directions are often ignored 😄 ) so I'm happy with the current length of generations.

[grim idol]

Generating 3 or 4 minutes at once isn't something I really care about. Simple Mode could do it now by extending long prompts. But if what it means, actually, is the capability to generate 4 minutes with the entire song in the AI's memory/context that would be a big upgrade. Still not a top priority for me personally, but it would allow for long term musical structures.

[fast rivet]

the new google i/o will start shortly... lets see if they also have a music making ai now.. or if they still just have broken ai toys 😄 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEzRZ35urlk

[ashen fjord]

It's Google, that service will probably shut down in a year or two 😭

[frozen temple]

It'll either produce WWII music or make over-progressive rock

[ashen fjord]

So I just found out about the Red Lobster's AI songs from the recent Top Music Attorney video

Not gonna lie, some of them are pretty good, albeit a bit cheesy

[late crown]

started!

WTH? Why am I looking at a dumb DJ and has it a kiddy vibe?

[fast rivet]

i am not sure right now... its a show.. but also a little bit cringe.

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-dies-of-cringe-meme-gif-27676616

So Google is not about software but "entertainment" now?

They are streaming live from Honolulu Hawaii.. Jesus, so decadent..

[frozen temple]

Don't worry, their mission statement always changes. Give it 2 months before it changes again.

[fast rivet]

i have to admit. its a different kind of presentation.

[late crown]

Well.. buckle up.. we are finally getting the juicy part

[fast rivet]

but i knew it... music ai ... and a unmusical one too ... 😏 first examples ... udio quality composition 😏

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-forman-debra-jo-rupp-laugh-meme-hysterical-laughter-lol-gif-24893555

[fast rivet]

but a smart move to let a improvision artist make the presentation. sets the expectations a lil lower

[late crown]

Not really impressed

So they created a loop maker 😏

[fast rivet]

its a interesting way to control it... but the samples dont have a nice composition.

[late crown]

I think he is annoying AF

[fast rivet]

to be fair i have seen less engaging presentations. the character is at least engaging and somewhat interesting. i also did experimantal stuff live on stage and its always a challange to make things work out of thin air.

[late crown]

This has nothing to do with AI though.. it's more about mixing..

[fast rivet]

they dont have to show much 😄

[late crown]

exactly.. that is why they pretend it to be more than it is

https://tenor.com/view/oacmn-game-over-gif-3362294272771793813

[fast rivet]

aahh... the test page is not available here in germany...

[late crown]

what test site?

[fast rivet]

https://labs.google/musicfx-dj

[late crown]

VPN?

[fast rivet]

i dont want to send my login through a vpn 😄

[grim idol]

I don't know if it's bugged, but I genered like 30 seconds in DJ mode and it says I'm already at my limit for the day

I think it is bugged actually, same message on a second Google account before generating anything

[late crown]

It works for me, but it's so robotic.. saxophone feels like a bad vst in a daw

[fast rivet]

the buzzword battle has started

[frozen temple]

Or.. 1000s of people are trying the same atm.

[frozen temple]

Spill the tea

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/chillin-bored-watching-tv-ed-edd-and-eddy-gif-12149195

[fast rivet]

the music stuff was underwhelming. and the other stuff is neat but boring.

[late crown]

Nothing thrillingly new

[frozen temple]

Sounds like a Google presentation alright.

[late crown]

No soliciting here...

[west hull]

ok

I was about to deleted, but thank you guys.

I will try to read the rules next time lol 😅

[fading crane]

/chirp

[fast rivet]

Chirp is retired. Please use https://www.suno.com to make music.
Also have a look at the community Wiki for a guide on how to use SUNO. https://www.suno.wiki/ ✌️

[grim idol]

GPT-4o seems pretty clearly just overall weaker than regular GPT-4 at pure text interaction, though a lot faster. All the new multimodal direct input/output isn't out yet. So as of the launch, it's just worse. Except in images and (supposedly) it is also better for non-English languages. Pretty underwhelming until the new capabilities actually come out. I guess being fast is nice for the things it works for. I'll have to try something with images and see if it's a step change there.

Then again if GPT-4o s is way faster maybe you could prompt GPT-4o iteratively 3 or 4 times for a typical GPT-4 prompt and the comparison would look better... 🤔

[frozen temple]

Well I just refreshed a prompt for 3.5, and it's better for me.

[dusky bluff]

Non english ? Ok, let me check it out on you.com, because getting french output for lyrics was very hit on miss with 3.5
"Chante, ma création, chante !"
gpt3 : "In a woooorld"
"Oh. We'll have to put this one down too"

[late crown]

So summary of Google presentation today.. A lot still coming and not that interesting.

[graceful swan]

Good that I didn't watch it then 😅

[maiden hornet]

yes, much weaker. My intuition is it’s an improved 3.5 rather than 4.

[languid marlin]

I used Mongolian throat singing among other things in the prompt...

[floral mauve]

Took forever and I'm sure I missed a few songs but finally got more playlists done
https://suno.com/@theoria

[frozen temple]

@ebon flax
https://youtu.be/jM8dCGIm6yc?si=QvgegY_jLByYjIrN&t=70

[ebon flax]

awesome listening now 🎧

[frozen temple]

https://tenor.com/view/headbang-cannibal-corpse-death-metal-thrash-metal-heavy-metal-gif-19952714

[ebon flax]

haha nice, i hadnt actually heard much of this before

[frozen temple]

I wanna learn it so bad.

[ebon flax]

yea, tis quite an intriguing technique

in suno do you think its worth using mongolian lyrics if trying to get it?

[frozen temple]

I don't know.

[languid marlin]

Here's another Mongolian throat style

[ebon flax]

lol at the art too haha 🤣

[languid marlin]

From The Force Awakens

[ebon flax]

@frozen temple
Glad something came out of me trying to get throat singing!
It sounds like a prog version of Mission Impossible 😆

https://suno.com/song/cb0422e5-da86-4906-a2e1-8c7ebef163d1

[sick owl]

Indeed! It might make you famous and/or get you sued.

[austere tree]

Since i play with Suno and Udio i like felt that i want to do my own music, so i got at it this is the 6th beat i made since i started to ''learn'' lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_Nqup5nv38

[gritty hollow]

that google one isn't exactly impressive

[neon shore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkKdxnoPI58

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-thinking-brainstorming-contemplating-deep-in-thought-gif-15212724

[dim pilot]

Sued for what?

[kindred breach]

me parece chistoso que la ia reconozca palabras pero no tome el contexto de esta. quizas aun le falta por mejorar mas aún con eso si es que no las bloquearon a propósito.

puedo subir los links de las canciones que he hecho aqui?

[wise zealot]

Aqui o en general

Como tu quieras

[winter spindle]

https://www.udio.com/songs/pR5yireJbBUfRddSCE147G

[vale lake]

😂

Keep your friends close

and your enemas closer

[vale lake]

I like this

[vale lake]

This was the only thing I was having fun with in Udio before. It can do Mongolian throat, Navajo chanting, and a few others

[vale lake]

love them

[vale lake]

you took the words right out of my mouth. Honestly it's a bit disappointing

like, I see how it's useful, but for my purposes, Claude's middle solution has begun to be superior. It does make errors more often though.

But it's solutions are in the correct direction, it'll just midspell things from time to time. So presumably it's a quant issue.

[vale lake]

so the context has been confirmed to me longer than 2 minutes already. But I agree, in general it can be improved.

[toxic viper]

@red cedar did you ask what AI this video tool was? It is Noisee. Apparently it can do 3 free videos to songs, but they are max 60 seconds

[sick owl]

Copyright infringement, by the author (or better, by the copyright holder) of Mission Impossible. Sort of a long shot, but if you can't afford an attorney to go to court and vouch for you, you have already lost.

[frank panther]

Lalo Schifrin's theme is in 5/4 time signature.

[heavy tide]

@old nest now I want to try it

[sick owl]

True, and Wayfarer's piece in in 6/4 (or 6/8? Seems subjective to me, but I'm no music theorist).
This is beyond the point though. The possible perception of "The Passage" as "a cover / mashup of Mission Impossible" should be enough for a record company to either send a cease and desist letter, or even sue for "their cut" on any earnings if the piece is monetized.
I'm no lawyer either, but media companies have been known to file rather pointless suits just because they know the defendant, not having the kind of money it would take to litigate against them, will want to settle out of court.

[frank panther]

You are just making stuff up.

cease and desist (stop infringing on our IP) is a completely different strategy to 'leveraging a lawsuit to settle out of court' (we demand royalties and co-writing credit).

Covers are NOT illegal, that's what licensing is for.

But Suno and this discord are not part of ASCAP and pay no royalties for covers. That's why covers are removed.

[floral jewel]

/chirp

[frank panther]

Chirp has moved to
https://suno.com

[sick owl]

You are totally right.
There are indeed different strategies that may be pursued. Which one will be (if any at all) cannot be predicted now IMHO. What's wrong in mentioning more than one possibility?

Is "The Passage" a cover? You mentioned the different time signature; might I infer that you don't think so? Then we agree.

But it may be perceived by the general public as a cover, or can create an implied (if totally incorrect) association with the Mission Impossible theme. I think that's kind of a grey zone as far as the status as cover is concerned. And where there's a grey zone, the richest guy (or company) wins.
That said, I'd like to state again that you are technically 100% correct.
I'm not here to argue, and even less to troll, so I'll leave the last word to you if you care to reply to this. Otherwise, I consider any matter peacefully settled.

[daring arch]

With friends like these, who needs enemas?

[fossil mesa]

does anyone have access to chatgpt-4o to test text-to-song yet there?

[hot cobalt]

I played with it a bit, and it seems decent. Not super different in my experience so far. Just maybe a bit snappier.

[fossil mesa]

decent as in it produces the specific genre in the same way Suno does ?

[vale lake]

a fellow father I see

[fresh aurora]

I Build Squid Game In Unreal Engine 5. Took me a year to do. Still working on it. So it no where done. Just showing Progress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtsNGbADK-Y

[stable coral]

anyone elses dream to get No1 on weekly? hehe

[worn crypt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bebgBmf14TE walk into my living room and see and hear a theme song I havent heard in ages x3 I feel old and I'm only 29

[languid marlin]

I don't know what to do with this experiment so, I'll leave it for @frozen temple

[vale lake]

yall, these are completely non-cherry picked. But like, I've had a major breakthrough.

In like, general machine learning.

These are native 2000x2000

in SDXL

and its completely consistent

I can get this result forever

Like, those look better thand SD3

in the bottom right

Let me try hands

[umbral wadi]

Nice....

As someone who dearly wants to eventually do this, congratulations!

[vale lake]

I mean, its not like I can do anything with it hahaha

I'm just some guy

nobody is going to listen to me, but its still cool

[frozen temple]

Is someone talking?

[vale lake]

These were made in 15 steps btw

[umbral wadi]

🙋 Also 'just some guy' so that's no barrier.

[frozen temple]

What's the prompt for the 4pieces?

So I can get a bit of context to compare.

[vale lake]

That's the secret

It's all in the prompt

Well, it's all in the overfitting

in the models

due to title data

ALL models

they all suffer from this

(also humans, but that's incidental)

[frozen temple]

Can't really compare it with you if I don't know the prompt

[vale lake]

That's my negatives

That's just the start point tho

[frozen temple]

Is it the top 100 IMDB actors llist?

lmao

[vale lake]

Proper Nouns

I've been slowly building it

since I realiszed it increased prompt adherence

like, generally

2/4

I'll take it

at 15 steps

[frozen temple]

Meanwhile my neg prompts are fillled with positive emotions/positive stuff.

[vale lake]

and 2000x2000

I'll put something up on r/stablediffusion

and I'll link it, it'll have my prompts

And I also have a chatbot

that will help

But the community will make much better solutions

knowing this

(I hope)

[graceful swan]

Thats really interesting maybe i can put my GPU to use again 😄

[vale lake]

If I had something better than a 4070TI I could push 4k

but I don't think I have the VRAM to do that

[graceful swan]

😏

[vale lake]

It's beginning to look a lot like

Holy cow

that's nice

4/4 btw

I win AI

[graceful swan]

where the extra fingers at 😄

[vale lake]

I'm sort of in disbelief

I'm pretty sure this is legitimately grounbreaking, but I'm too ignorant to convince myself of that haha

[graceful swan]

actual science happening here

[vale lake]

Like, I know enough to know I don't know enough

But also, I know enough to know that, by weird coincidence of skillset, I may actually know a few things.

(I don't want to get ahead of myself)

[graceful swan]

All while I spent the last 2,5h to fix some issues with UVR.. at least now it uses cuda again instead of directml.. which also means 6GB VRAM instead of "OOM"

[vale lake]

CUDA is way faster, presumably

And it looks like you have no VRAM issues haha

[fossil mesa]

i keep waffling on buying another 16GB $300 AMD GPU for pcie 1x inference, as 1x does not seem to matter so much for inference

[graceful swan]

yea Only non nvidia users would require directml..
But python always such a headeache.. I just wanted to try out the new(ish) BS-Roformer Audio seperation model.. and well that escalated into a whole dependency solving marathon

[fossil mesa]

dependency purgatory on AMD side is better than ever last 3-9 months

my new install scripts are like 9 lines now....

[dry creek]

https://youtu.be/KvnLmCdN5AM i did another song rewrite!

this one was using udio for the vocals

[high stump]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7AFdbuyICc/?igsh=MWhncmJ6Nm10M3Bzag==
I made the videos using Pika AI and put lyrics on top with Inshot. My first time using editing software ‼️‼️🔥🔥

nemurin_p

#anime #amv #vocaloid #music

Instagram

[old belfry]

Anyone else having problems with Suno not working? Just spinning endlessly?

[cosmic tartan]

@viral flame

[viral flame]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-thats-me-only-me-gif-13516013

[fading bay]

Salut un son de frenchcore mélodique cloud dispo, un p'tit like si vous avez kiffé ça serrait cool merci ^^ https://soundcloud.com/kyuzenne/dreamed

[hard garnet]

I am starting to think Suno might be cooked if they don't have a solid counter punch to Udio, I finally had the free time to start cooking up songs again and well to be honest bluntly so even, Udio is just better

[fast rivet]

suno has good melodies... thats quite a thing 😏

[hard garnet]

taking the same lyrics I made, and attempting to make a song with Suno, and udio, I found the following

for every 10 generations with Suno, I only needed 1 in Udio to get the sound I wanted to get the "click" moment

[hoary wind]

Suno are developing their next model, it's just not read for us to use yet.

[hard garnet]

I don't know what happened between v3a and full release but it's just not as good.

which pains me to say as I did lock in for an annual subscription, so I am on this boat come what may, but I strongly hope that v4 comes out swinging because Udio is just better.

[frank panther]

🤔 Your songs are 30sec long?

remarkable.

[hard garnet]

like the extend feature we have with suno udio has the same ability, your basically generating the song one verse at a time

[gritty hollow]

I prefer Suno's genre mashups to Udio's but I like some of the more interesting "effect" noises I get on Udio. I also like Suno's structure better, but I like Udio's voice better. Hopefully they both pick up what the other does well, then both improve 🙂

[frank panther]

yeah... we use to have 30sec generations...
in v1 on Discord. 😏

[hard garnet]

Udio hands down wins when it comes to vocals, there just isn't a contest

[gritty hollow]

I very rarely bother with vocals so I'm not as fussy for that on my own but listening to others vocals, yeah Udio's are really nice. My dad is loving it, he's making all kinds of songs for his "it's not a cult, honey, please stop calling it a cult" meditation stuff.

[frank panther]

LOL

[hard garnet]

ha nice

You know how we all keep saying this is the worst [X] will ever be, well consider that v1 Udio is blowing v3 Suno out of the water. Udio has audio inpainting, can give you a track that isn't a hot mess of hybridized chorus and daftpunk vocalizations. Suno was undeniably the first in Ai music, but they are currently not the best, and I hope when v4 drops they comeback swinging harder than I will smith slapped keven heart

[frank panther]

🥱

Songs need to have structure.
Or they just aren't songs.

Obviously I can't comment on anything I have heard from you (I didn't find anything), only what I hear from the Udio posts here.

[hard garnet]

You say that like Udio's songs don't, have you actually made any songs with Udio or are you just Stanning for Suno without having tried both?

[frank panther]

I try all the music ai.
Stability Google's
(not Meta admittedly)

I also hear about 100 ai songs a day

[gritty hollow]

I use both, I enjoy what I get out of both but for different reasons. Both need a better way to track extends (though I do like Udio's "everything is already stitched" it does mean I have to skip forward just to hear the next bits). I think if either made a full program with a good UI it'd fkn own.

[fast rivet]

the google thing sounded pretty horrible 😏

[gritty hollow]

I tried the google ai music thing, wasn't impressed tbh.

it sounded way too "random"

reminded me of the random feature on some old midi chord software i used in the 90's.

[hard garnet]

alright, I just wanted to ask, to many people just speak without actually putting there money where there mouth is.

[fast rivet]

its even worse than udio... and thats hard.

[gritty hollow]

Udio also medically needs a way to stop the bloody autoplay, drives me bonkers.

[frank panther]

in randomness?

[viscid root]

is it possible make something like this in suno ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QmaC5E17_E

[fast rivet]

maybe... not that precise but a lot is possible https://suno.com/song/89b59b3d-f0af-4cea-8bb6-eefa408396b1

[deft pumice]

How can you tell how many OTHER people have played your tracks?

[fading crane]

/chirp

[wheat fulcrum]

/chirp

[novel smelt]

no chirp

[gritty hollow]

use ye website ye newbies

https://app.suno.ai/create

go there and create

may the rng gods bless your songs

[viscid root]

Should make a song that there aint any more chirp

[frosty obsidian]

musicFX by Google doesn't sound too terrible. very neutral open and ready for EQ.

[fast rivet]

i think i have like 5 😏 https://suno.com/song/9f9e0696-ef8e-41e0-a613-3158943dcfaa

[hexed spruce]

How to prompt a New Jersey Club Type Beats?

[dawn bay]

im sure this has probably been asked before, but why are there so many birds in the generated album arts? 🤣

[frank panther]

the original name for v0-v1 on discord was 'Chirp'...
(the text-to-speech was 'bark')

as Suno migrated to the website, the service was rebranded to just 'Suno' and the name 'Chirp' was softly retired but lingered all over Discord....

last month a database/server migration ended support for the Discord bots, so there is literally no more 'Chirp'..., but some docs, Discord channels, and old-timers still say 'Chirp'.... and the artwork still shows the birds sometimes as a generic fallback when it can't find something in the lyrics to suggest an image prompt

[tepid spruce]

btw what happened to bark?

[frank panther]

it's still on github and huggingface.
there was an active Bark Bot on Discord, but it has been removed after the service/database move...

I don't think Suno is planing to bring Bark back as a service.

[vivid compass]

,

[tepid spruce]

that's sad

[dawn bay]

huh, makes sense now. thanks 😁

[hoary wind]

Saw this jigsaw puzzle earlier in a shop

[fossil mesa]

https://github.com/espnet/espnet?tab=readme-ov-file these guys have open source Singing Voice Synthesis, untested by me, may be good though

[fresh aurora]

My friend
EmmaMcGann
from younow. Dose a video about Suno Ai. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RMoXpleGcM She is a Song writer and a Song Artist. A great person.

[frank panther]

Musician: This AI was trained on copyrighted songs! They should list everything!

Me: What were you trained on? You need to list everything.

EVERY INFLUENCE YOU EVER HAD.

[west hull]

Should i make this into a nft

Shove random things into Eddie's mouth
(screenshot taken from his video on; Garten of BanBan 7

[hoary wind]

In general, the answer to "should I make an nft" should always be "no".

[north bolt]

Hey guys I found this website that is set to create a marketplace where you can post your ai music if anyones interested, i'm on the waiting list currently.

[austere tree]

Since a started playing with Suno and Udio i now want to do ''real'' music so i did 😉 Here is a beat i just finished https://youtu.be/hZXMZPW2PTw now i want to be able to get some voice from Suno or Udio to add to that beat

[umbral wadi]

OMG!!!!11111eleventyoneoneoneone

He's back! He actually came back!

https://www.youtube.com/@ScammerHotline

[ashen fjord]

Looks very sus and likely a scam. Especially as it is not live yet.

I assume you (@north bolt) are somehow associated with this service since you just came here to promote said site.

Some items:

• The ToS seems like you just copied and pasted from other sites (like Suno) and replaced the original source with the company name as some of the terms do not make sense with the service provided and missing some other critical terms.

• ToS says 'By uploading User Content, you grant Piici a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free license to use, reproduce, modify, publish, and distribute your User Content.'
  -- Most of this is understandable for the service but why do they want our permission to modify the content? 🤔

• Where are the terms relating to the monetization aspect. E.g. currency, the cut the site takes, etc.

• What happens to the song when the account is terminated? Sounds like you can keep the song and do what you want with it (which was a situation that happened with Output - https://youtu.be/Bb5xRvywLD8 )

This also goes against the solicitation/advertisement rule of the server.

[west hull]

Tbh for Suno, buy premium.... Buy Distrokid....can't really trust the free distributors..... you barely can do anything on the releases you do especially for the free ones....like it takes forever for your stuff to be processed.... and plus Free stuff is trash kinda like Temu and Wish

Accurate Eddie

[minor barn]

ghosts of tsushima

https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-lisa-lisa-manoban-blackpink-lisa-dance-gif-21631333

[naive rampart]

And then there pops up a female singer out of nowhere when you at least expect it. 😂 Wish I knew what made it appear when I need a duo. 😁 See what happens if I extend the song. 😛

[north bolt]

guys what udio?

[ashen fjord]

I am curious, how exactly did you come across this site?

[ashen fjord]

And what made you join the waiting list instead of trying to monetize (or even just sell it) on other established platforms?

[ashen fjord]

And why are you avoiding commenting on my earlier comment? (That I replied to for reference)

[hoary wind]

I had a search of the interwebs. Nobody seems to be talking about that site other than this one person on Reddit who is replying to loads of people with the same message that they should use the site.

Udio's discord has one person mentioning the site, in reply to someone whose messages seem to have been removed.

Seems very shady.

[ashen fjord]

They really love 774 huh

[hoary wind]

Well spotted. I didn't notice that.

[frosty obsidian]

Do we have any pen&paper nerds here who play like D&D or World of Darkness? 😄

[hoary wind]

Ah there's a bunch of other accounts basically replying to loads of posts on Reddit with the exact same wording, advertising the site as well. Very spammy.

Small sample. This goes on for ages.

[west hull]

The best comment I've ever got

☺️

[teal shuttle]

Hope everyone is having a great day and making amazing music. ❤️

[hexed spruce]

Is it allowed to publish AI-generated songs on Amuse?

[frosty obsidian]

in short - NO

[tardy stag]

guys, slightly off topic, CHATGPT HAS EYES.

[frigid fern]

i put outro or end suno dont wont me end song

[hexed spruce]

What music distributor can you recommend to me that can publish AI-generated music?

[teal shuttle]

Distros don't like AI-Generated music right now. You can self publish though and get copyrights as protection for your lyrics. Maybe create a brand and go with it. It's harder, but it's kind of necessary right now to push the envelope of AI musicians.

[frosty obsidian]

i am not recommending any, but i know that distrokid is fine with it. check and decide for yourself.

[teal shuttle]

Distrokid actually doesn't like AI-Generated music either.

They were fine with it at first, but with the state of AI right now they decided not to publish AI generated stuff.

[frosty obsidian]

i've got 62 songs on distrokid.

[teal shuttle]

I have songs from them too, but they have made statements against AI music.

You can try them, but don't expect them to publish for you.

[frosty obsidian]

my uploads today speak against that statement.

[teal shuttle]

You told him that you create AI music?

[frosty obsidian]

told who?

[teal shuttle]

Distrokid.

[frosty obsidian]

There is no question from Distrokid about how the music was generated and no field to put that information in.

[teal shuttle]

Okay so you didn't tell them. Well I hope your music stays published in the future.

[frosty obsidian]

The ToS doesn't include anythinga bout Artificial Intelligence. The tracks of mine are all build out of multiple generated samples, STEM'd and mix and mastered and the lyrics are mine as well. There is quite a bit of human effort in it 😄

[hexed spruce]

Have you tried the LANDR music distributor? Do you think I can publish AI-generated music there?"

[teal shuttle]

Honestly if you can use Distrokid you probably should. They put out to a lot of platforms.

[frosty obsidian]

think feline uses LANDR. i know someone does.

[west hull]

https://suno.com/song/015be620-b3f2-4526-80c8-15794d8001dc

[west hull]

In a sense, anything electronic could be considered AI depending on where the invisible line is drawn including auto-tunes, AI is simply software and music on the Internet runs through software, it is just a debate regarding which software is allowed and which isn't, but technically from my perspective, I see similarities and invisible lines and a slippery slope

[frank panther]

'So called Artificial Intelligence"

lololol

[graceful swan]

"or in part" lmao they trying to single handedly stop AI development or what?

[fast rivet]

does the random generator on my 1980s synthesizer also counts as "artificial intellignece"? oh no... all my music is enhanced by electronics that can do things on its own 😦 ... thats unfortunate. 😏

[frank panther]

come to think of it, my refrigerator turns on and off its own compressor through some sort of SO CALLED ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE....

throws SO CALLED SMART PHONE in the heelfire of damnation.

[west hull]

Guys anyone know what I can do against someone who's stealing my music? I'm genuinely exhausted 😔

[graceful swan]

Don't share publicly until you went through a distributor. Preferably one that offers contentID and equivalents for other stuff so that most of the stuff is blocked automatically or at least monetized for you instead of them

[frank panther]

probably the only thing you can really do is upload it to a distributor first, and let them issue take downs and youtube strikes.

It might work to upload unlisted to youtube, and go through a youtube moderation with your upload as proof you had it first, but that's not as reliable as having a company do it for you.

[west hull]

I'm distributing with DistroKid and using distrolock but even with all of that it keeps happening. They offer contentId for YouTube but this particular user is releasing my music on streaming like Amazon and Spotify

[frank panther]

Another 'method' is to try to be zen about it and not bother, since the monetary gains are not really worth the extra effort to prevent anyone else from making pennies off your efforts.

[frank panther]

Distrolock is supposed to handle that for you...

[west hull]

And I already claimed other uploads of those songs on YouTube and have been taken down, but this user keeps getting away with it

[west hull]

Yeah it's not really for money or anything, it's just that my music is very personal to me and it really hurts to see it uploaded by others, and them getting credit for it

It's just one person rn but I'm genuinely upset that they have been able to release two of my songs to streaming despite all my efforts...

[graceful swan]

It's annoying yes. I have something of the same situation. where one channel seems to be big enough or for what ever reason youtube is like:
"Ah well.. you see they might have put your name in the title and in the video description and straight up copied the lyrics with all the meta tags. And you have linked to the original song that has a creation date earlier than the uploaders... But we are not convinced that it's not the other way around and you are trying to steal the song" and I am like "okay.. I guess I will just feel honored that my song is good enough for others to steal..."

[west hull]

I've been given that same excuse by YouTube so many times... And Spotify too

[graceful swan]

Yea.. I am like "Ah yes I created a full AI startup site just to fudge the timestamp yes yes"

At least for me it's just my randomly created first song on the "big U" I did not think it would get that much traction so at first I kinda did not care and did not distribute it first before setting to public. Guess I learned my lesson that even the stuff you just do for fun could gain traction so I will probably go through distributor for everything that is not a straight up meme.

[serene topaz]

hey guys

it's may 17th!

it's this guy's bday!

that's howard ashman, not me hahaha

[west hull]

https://youtu.be/xHBcDwOEsMI?feature=shared

Made new song!

Wooooo!

Wahoooo!

Yippee ya pooooow

We party all night we touch the sky!

[crimson sedge]

If you license the song they need to take it down immediately

[late crown]

@unique ridge ציוץ פרסם. אנא השתמשו ב־https://www.suno.com/ כדי ליצור מוזיקה.
גם תצפו בוויקי הקהילתית למדריך על איך להשתמש ב־SUNO. https://www.suno.wiki/ ✌️

(Chirp is retired. Please use https://www.suno.com/ to make music.
Also have a look at the community Wiki for a guide on how to use SUNO. https://www.suno.wiki/ ✌️)

[teal shuttle]

Let them take it then when they start making money off it sue the shit out of them and/or demand royalties.