🗣️┃chill-chat

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/i8TaYdKsEnUHehT7SFbbHP

Ironically the second thing I made is the best I've been able to produce, and the only one I'll likely use in an album

https://www.udio.com/songs/iSEF73ALf375JW2W1hpNcv

[hoary wind]

I have a couple of nice songs on there but I have a tendency to try genre switches and stuff, which it can do but it needs a lot of encouragement sometimes. Being unable to choose a continue-from time is a bit frustrating.

Here's the testing I did: #🗣️┃chill-chat message

[vale lake]

it's also really great for PSAs 👍 https://www.udio.com/songs/npTBtmyn7SK8L4qUAMmaUW

[vale lake]

the lack of continue time is very annoying

that and an inability to extend context. You lose voice, chorus, everything so quick

it means it just can't sustain a melody well unless it's a very vocal heavy genre

[hoary wind]

I've managed to make a sermon about toasters and this dramatic acting scene about making buttons for people to press: https://www.udio.com/songs/jQDgqLeLCmrjdehtqCevXs

Oh and of course trying to get cow sounds by typing "mooooooo" in the lyrics and getting cow sounds with someone yelling that over the entire duration of the clip.

[vale lake]

oh gosh I have one that's demented. I was generating hallucinated comedy shows and it degraded into these two guys screeching at one another in alien animal sounds whole the audience laughed

[hoary wind]

My favourite by far is this...

https://www.udio.com/songs/k7Jp1ezue5ed9uaEhLVqae

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/6eeoFtTxSp65bExxTUFuHM

[long tendon]

I haven't used Udio much

[vale lake]

you may find this interesting

[long tendon]

It seems nice

[vale lake]

at about 30 seconds

[long tendon]

But like Suno, to me those services are sort of like sketch books

I like to get Ideas I will re-write at some point down the line

[hoary wind]

😂 I love when the AI demons come out to play

@viral flame I think this is spam

[long tendon]

Indeed it is

Poor guy got hacked like I did

[vale lake]

wat

[hoary wind]

Yeah I mostly want to generate stuff I can use as a foundation to build on.

[hoary wind]

I remember seeing that

[vale lake]

yea, I'm still in the discovery stage, but I'm not sure it will ever "take off"

[long tendon]

Some time ago, I did thw mistake of clicking of such link.. went to sleep, woke up to tons of notifications and got me banned from several servers

Ffs

[vale lake]

in terms of my ability to read the model

[vale lake]

ah, well you live and learn

[long tendon]

Indeed

[vale lake]

links and downloads

people need to stop trusting these mp3s

[long tendon]

And I have been sailing the 7 seas for most of my life

With no issues

[vale lake]

back in my day, we used to have to walk to the mp2 both ways!

[long tendon]

Then discord came along and a spoofed link...

[prime bronze]

😭

[long tendon]

Jeebuz I am not even that old.. mp2

[vale lake]

yea, reddit also makes it too easy

for people to make a link look like one thing

[hoary wind]

I end up having to work harder trying to work with an AI track than to make something from scratch 😄

[vale lake]

and lead to a different address

[long tendon]

Well, lesson learned

[vale lake]

I think its worth it though, the higher work is because the bar is increased

ie you have so many viable songs, you end up realizing how uninteresting most of them actually are

[hoary wind]

It's interesting practice to transcribe stuff or play along with it to see interesting new note sequences and stuff

[languid prawn]

https://suno.com/song/0dc99c4b-537b-4500-abc0-552787fd7146

[shrewd meteor]

I don't think it's good enough for the showcase, so I leave it here. Kinda tried some sort of short (45s) PSA.
https://suno.com/song/85cf6918-133d-4cea-94a7-cc89aaa851df

Enjoy, or not. I can't tell you what to do, I'm not your mother.

[acoustic vale]

Anyone fancy doing something with these two random tracks I was playing around with last night?
https://suno.com/song/1dceb880-4c1b-47f8-9780-fc1c0a2c6dac

https://suno.com/song/0d5a6621-f080-4051-bc7c-1af0a28acc4d

I'm more in to rock and metal but though I would remind myself of my youth lol

[acoustic vale]

https://suno.com/song/2b7588bf-3f85-4e69-a419-0027b4eb02b2

[long tendon]

this is an interesting video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQChW_jgMMM

[late crown]

Lol.. they lost me as soon as he tried to sell the security package..

[narrow jetty]

https://suno.com/song/101accd0-d16d-4c5d-b131-2b2ac3551ba8

[long tendon]

isn't that the standard in most videos?

[late crown]

it taints the video for me.. they want to sell so let's make people scared 😹

[long tendon]

That they have to have a sponsored segment to get the sponsor

beside that, it's an interesting point with supporting data on the AI-market

[late crown]

We already are doing that for years with google... 🤷‍♀️

[long tendon]

It was interesting when they talked that Amazon "AI" Just walk out system was.. 1000 people watching at CCTV feed in India

LMFAO

[late crown]

And? A lot of things are smoke and mirrors..

I just use common sense 😉

[long tendon]

Common sense can have a lot of different interpretations according to where it's deployed.
I think that not many people have time / energy to trust, but verify (cit.)

[frank panther]

I use to follow his channel, but eventually the content was eyerolling.
nice accent and new age music doesn't convert bs into cream.

[long tendon]

I liked the ending: With such big and bold promises about AI that have been made by tech companies throughout the years, it is important to ask ourselves: Do we have technological gold a Trojan horse or a chessmaster under a table?

I don't think that it's an unreasonable thing to ask ourselves

Same as I don't demand that Everyone asks themselves those questions

[prime bronze]

Like so many people nowadays cry about not having human made touch on their clothes they literally decide to put on their skin every day

In the end, ai music makers are designers or proucers and ai is the production line

[cloud phoenix]

is my song off topic enough https://suno.com/song/e2b84a12-7069-48e7-a157-c20b26778208

[scarlet oriole]

I have a conflicted thought

It's good, but wrong kind of language... Idk... It's confusing

Anyway, here's mine

https://suno.com/song/15a2cc1d-e81c-456a-a309-bd2340b749a1

[austere tree]

https://www.udio.com/songs/csmoRNYjRaUM9miXWxazGm For Arkham Horrors fans 😉

[scarlet oriole]

Not a fan but will give it a try

[austere tree]

i'll add an intro and it will be nice

[scarlet oriole]

Do you make rock as well?

[austere tree]

I make anything lol

[scarlet oriole]

Oh

Okay

[scarlet oriole]

As i thought this not for me lol

Not this kind of metal

[austere tree]

had to take a style that suit the universe

[scarlet oriole]

I mostly listen to Alternative rock

[austere tree]

ok

[scarlet oriole]

What about you?

[austere tree]

i listen anything really, if i like a beat or lyrics i like the song, style is not important

[scarlet oriole]

Oh

So what do you think about mine?

[glossy rock]

hello guys, how can i do arabesque songs

[austere tree]

ill go see

[glossy rock]

the ai is making pop when i write arabesque

[scarlet oriole]

What is that? A genre?

[glossy rock]

yes ofc

wait

[scarlet oriole]

Hm

[glossy rock]

I saw some videos on YouTube and I wanted to try it.

can i send link

[scarlet oriole]

Idk about many style of music i did inde, pop, and edm

[scarlet oriole]

Sure

[glossy rock]

youtu.be/3kroTwbQQyQ?si=gKV8iSsxcNvCmmPQ

[scarlet oriole]

Hm

I can't open it

[glossy rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kroTwbQQyQ&list=PLvV0Qy5e_Y0CztT1eYvM30WSZv7kiMSyu&index=1&ab_channel=Ahmetullah

[austere tree]

I added an intro it feel better https://www.udio.com/songs/vUUrwGLm1UNAZJhcpRcxjN

[scarlet oriole]

Oooh

[glossy rock]

how can i make it

[scarlet oriole]

Smh feels better

[scarlet oriole]

I don't know, i don't know much knowledge about music genre

[austere tree]

In your musical style prompot go with Classical Western Arabesque, or Arabesque.. THen Ethereal Piano, Dreamy, Introspective, Chromatic

i would start like that

also add Atmospheric

[glossy rock]

ok, i will try thank u

[austere tree]

if you dont like how it sound remove introspective it might not be good for what you want to make

show me the result

[scarlet oriole]

Wai food in here lah, i will be hungry just by seeing this

[last pollen]

All but the egg and potato are from my garden

[scarlet oriole]

Hm

Very nice

[cloud phoenix]

Not an Opera fan?

[scarlet oriole]

Not that, it's just the lyrics...

It should've been an old English...

Or at least poetic?

Idk

The music and opera is fine

[cloud phoenix]

I'm a spoken message kind of guy, I like love stories

[scarlet oriole]

I am aware

[vale lake]

hey all, I'm working on an album cover for a future album, and wanted to know if anyone wanted to let me know which of these images catches their attention best? I do a lot of work to get them refined after creation etc, so this is just for raw impressions.

[scarlet oriole]

Okay

[vale lake]

here is my current inclination

and here are some rough (very rough) other directions I'm considering

[scarlet oriole]

I like the 2nd one, simple and direct

[vale lake]

yea, I like that one as well

although I'm not sure if I like it more than the red one

but I very well might

[cloud phoenix]

I like the one it looks like skeletons dissolving

[vale lake]

the red one?

oh, the one where they are like, actual skeletons?

[cloud phoenix]

the actual skeletons

[vale lake]

it reminds me a but of robot chicken

but I can work with it

[cloud phoenix]

It's like AI creating death

[scarlet oriole]

Direct

[vale lake]

I like it, something like that will probably work

[scarlet oriole]

Wanna see irl bad generated hand?

[scarlet oriole]

Yes

It will

[cloud phoenix]

it says something

[scarlet oriole]

Huh?

See it yourself then

[cloud phoenix]

my hands look like that

[scarlet oriole]

Really?

[flint canopy]

https://suno.com/@severedynamicrange061 my messed up songs

[west hull]

https://www.youtube.com/@AyahComposerIA If You can Help Guys , Thanks ♥ Like and Subscribe !

[late crown]

Please don't make it a habbit to post your profile page every 2 days. Thanks.. 🙂

[west hull]

hok , ok

[steady pecan]

bye👋

[errant cape]

@late crown dont know if you just answered this but did i see that credits automatically renew?

[late crown]

Free daily credits refresh at approximately 10pm EST, 3am UTC.

[errant cape]

aahhh sweet, guessing thats like 10 credits at a time??

[late crown]

50 credits per day

[errant cape]

good deal 👍

also ty 🙂

[west hull]

Gift 500 again \o ik

[olive mortar]

https://cdn1.suno.ai/c8685881-4775-4175-907c-64c6e65a534d.mp4

[gentle raven]

In which chat can I use chirp?

[frank panther]

Chirp is retired.

[fast oyster]

Hi yall! pls lemme advertise my survey a bit here

A minor research project ~ Please give me your time for 8 songs 💃

Want to know if you can distinguish AI-generated music from human-made music? Please click to participate in this survey! 😊https://forms.gle/BJL4erRmovvNvxJp7

There are a total of 8 songs, including ones generated by AI and ones composed by humans. Each song is around 2 to 3 minutes long. Simply answer the questions based on the prompts 🥰

If you're interested in AI music generation and related research, feel free to DM me! If you find this survey interesting, please feel free to share it with others! Thank you! ❤️

[swift hedge]

https://youtu.be/330VQvySAP8

[west hull]

However, on my Channel I also promoted Suno (=

[late crown]

It's nothing personal. But we have rules.. and either we allow all, or deny. 😉
posting your songs is always okay.. unless you post it double 🌼

[west hull]

Ok , thank you ^^!

[swift eagle]

https://suno.com/song/f47f5509-4b99-40ec-809f-3c2364dee8aa

this is so cute K pop fatty bear 🤩

[pallid dirge]

What do you guys think of Udio?

I tried it out a few minutes ago and to me it's OK. Nothing amazing even though the examples I heard from it were very good at first.

Especially that Dune musical!

I hate that it doesn't give any real customization options and the song length is so short.

I don't think Suno is better or worse, they seem the same to me but Udio just doesn't have as much customization.

[hoary wind]

I think it's pretty good. Vocal performance seems better. Instrument mix seems clearer. It responds better than Suno for weird prompts (spoken word, screaming, etc lol). Ability to extend backwards and have intro/outro is nice. Cover art generator is nice. I'm playing around with it mainly because it's free so I can experiment a lot.

Overall generation quality seems watery in places (despite 320kbps MP3s). Not being able to pick which point in time to continue from is a bit annoying. Can be difficult to do genre switches or make it do something new. Joins can sometimes be a bit rough. I don't like the overall length limit and not sure if 33 seconds is a long enough time for a first part.

Also the "manual mode" prompt feature disappeared for a day, allegedly this was not intended but it sounds like there was a reason for it and they haven't been transparent about what was actually wrong.

TLDR: I use both and probably will continue to do so.

[wise zealot]

scary

[pallid dirge]

Hmmmmm. Well, I don't know what you mean by going backwards LOL! I do think vocals can be better for sure. And instruments. But the length is still bothering me. But I can't find anywhere to continue or an options menu like with Suno..... please don't tell me it was another accessibility issue...... do they have a Discord?

[hoary wind]

You can extend after or before (Suno only extends after)
I pasted some screenshots but then remembered you'd posted before about using a screen reader so I've removed them.
There is an "extend" button next to each song, you can then choose to create intro/outro/section before/section after.

[pallid dirge]

Hmmmm, well when I go to a song I've made for instance I can only download or share the media. Are you using the official site or something else?

Well, I mean, there are probably gonna be tons and tons of competitors soon, I know Suno is leading and Udio.... came after? It says the copyright was from 2020 but I don't know..... but anyway when one AI thing comes out you know tons will follow.

[hoary wind]

There are fake sites for both Suno and Udio, sadly. I have seen the site with the 2020 copyright - that sounds like the fake one so avoid using that and if you've logged in to it consider changing your password for the account you used, and if you've given any payment details be careful about that too :/

[pallid dirge]

Oh darn..... well I canceled my payment but I'll go ahead and change my password. But I would need to know the real site..... but someone said you can't post it heare so now I'm scared......

[hoary wind]

I sent you a DM 🙂

[pallid dirge]

OK. Are you an adult because I am and I don't DM minors.

[hoary wind]

Yes. I'm trying to think of something interesting to say to prove this but I got nothing 😄

I was around when the Y2K bug was a thing.

[pallid dirge]

OK.

[burnt rapids]

😦 suno make many songs gut yet the quality is not there and I just can't fix them....

[hardy mirage]

my toes are in pain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v0hP5DuAZ8

[burnt rapids]

why most off ppl do stupid things? Like what's wrong with humanity...

[stoic ridge]

i just had pancakes with scrambled eggs and sausages

[long tendon]

Are you happy campers?

[frozen temple]

inb4 I get muted from general
@fast rivet It's not the same

Cute clown girls get more attention.

[warm linden]

https://youtu.be/hrOAAqtuJZ0 Look, power metal fans, this newly created song in honor of Rhapsody is too epic and even with Fabio's voice similar in the background, what do you think?

[fast rivet]

awesome idea 🔥 i like that... for the limitations we have its the best solution

[frozen temple]

I removed it

[bold pasture]

do you know if we can extend a song from a file i have downliaded, (the file was created with Suno)

[onyx moat]

I have been trying Udio to see if it's any good. Not good with lyrics and really hard to generate music with lyrics. Suno is way ahead.
... but, when it comes to classical and cinematic scores, it is really good. Example is my creation.

I could not create something like this with Suno. Has anyone got a similar track that I can check?

[late crown]

Please don't double post.. You just shared this in general! @swift hedge

[daring mountain]

https://youtu.be/8mp32ItbSg4?si=CtdXzOCHFAIOdvE4

[remote dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV4pHISVf5k

[cloud pewter]

“Move to the left” - Domb almost at 400 streams! https://on.soundcloud.com/vmjvyVAhv6vzb7f88

[minor ingot]

https://youtu.be/3kndy_M0hs4?si=q09oLimK7nQ_8XAc

https://youtu.be/Inrx0djTd1A?si=8vbP4cj78gPGupKt

[vale lake]

https://open.spotify.com/album/0kfxRqGbLuVjrGfunfOj8d?si=bMtpJ5XaSuCt6UiSxEyFLA

it's liiiiiiive

Although it may depend on region

[forest egret]

bro this is so crisp, the strings start so clear, even the trumps so good, really impressed by this Track. i tried serveral prompts after i saw your post, tried emotional, cinematioc, anthemic score, worke with chagpt to give me some hans zimmer prompts. i tried my own "cinematic score, Full Orchestra, Big Horns, Deep Trombones" this works the best so far. but your example is very good, i have almost same i would like to share with you ?

https://suno.com/song/8b5db0d7-cdba-47ff-a3f8-29500ae37878

i also have noticed that suno makes a lot of songs in G# minor scale, i very like 😄

[onyx moat]

Tried these... and they all sound Vivaldi like. Even the combinations, or using all does not work. Still trying though.
Instrumental, Orchestral, Epic music, Cinematic classical, Western classical music, Anthemic, Energetic, Aggressive

[vale lake]

the entire album I just posted is basically classical and neo-classical

[onyx moat]

This sounds pretty good. If I can get something like these I can clean it or at least convert in studio...

[vale lake]

Suno has vastly superior composition

[forest egret]

ty

[vale lake]

Like, Udio has richer sound

But it can't look back more than 30 seconds

[forest egret]

richer sound thats what i tried to say

[onyx moat]

Udio has richer sound, if it wants to give it.

[vale lake]

so it ends up unable to properly tie the composition together

You can get some pretty damn rich sound out of Suno as well though tbh

if you know how to

[forest egret]

oh ok, i will give it my try 😄

[onyx moat]

I am actually able to create 3 minutes long compositions that can carry the same tune.

But at some point, it goes haywire. Either the melody changes, or the merge is broken.

[forest egret]

i think you need to gamble a bit

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/55b6e5d4-5c36-46f6-9ab9-713e0ef26463

example of "rich" sound similar to Udio's

on Suno

It's just a matter of knowing how to guide it, and you get comparable

But the overall composition destroys udio, like, you get moving material with Suno

[onyx moat]

I am trying to get more of a cinematic score.

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/playlist/9528be14-a2e7-4fd4-992c-726a24cdb41f

[vale lake]

Listen to drama queen

off there

as well as crying in the waiting room

[onyx moat]

Oh this is really good.

[vale lake]

😉

crying in the waiting room will surprise

it literally weeps

the cello I mean

and it compositionally ties it together in a way that blew my mind

[onyx moat]

Copying your style... will try to add mine to see if it works 😄 Thanks all.

[vale lake]

No prob, take em all

I share so others can create!

[onyx moat]

Drama Queen should go into the home page of Suno.

[vale lake]

Look forward to seeing what people make of it

[vale lake]

It was at one point!

[forest egret]

thanks mate

[vale lake]

Now it's dialectic (accept it)

you can find my stuff on Spotify in any case, the whole album drops there today at midnight

But I have 3 other albums

one is v2 believe it or not

and also believe it or not, what I'm most known for is my lyrics

[onyx moat]

v2... still sounds pretty good.

[vale lake]

I totally agree, but I look back and am honestly amazed at what people were able to do with it

It was a LOT less powerful than v3

[onyx moat]

My friend writes the lyrics, I compose... Suno is a great help... Especially when he writes things that do not rhyme 😄
https://suno.com/song/105c09e1-7bac-4e7a-8337-78ad409f5b04

[forest egret]

sorry guys i'm littlebit off, thank you for the nice conversation, see you

[somber coral]

https://suno.com/song/b65c9eb3-ebcf-4fbf-8c39-75b4aa3e0096

this one's a banger

[vale lake]

Its exceptional at non-rhyume

its one reason its a shame gpt loves rhyme

it does much better with sporadic, or even total non-rhyme

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/32413aa4-fce2-462d-90f1-74dfa80b4f97

this is dope

[onyx moat]

With lyrics that do not fit in any meters, especially metrical irregularities, Suno is great.
Saved me a lot of time 😄

[onyx moat]

That was an experiment... I was trying to see if it was possible to have lyrics without any vowels.

Made all the songs public. They are all in Turkish, except the Shoes Untied, which was an experiement also 😄

[hardy mirage]

https://sonauto.ai/songs/z55UYKGDhe38zkX3TIFT

https://sonauto.ai/songs/z55UYKGDhe38zkX3TIFT

[fervent jasper]

https://www.udio.com/songs/2XrpmQHTtvmaqhfbMrv4Fz

[pastel gazelle]

hi

@pastel gazelle

[icy hare]

This is one of my non-Suno tracks

I made it using Magix Music Maker.

It's supposed to the "space map" theme.

One more, I like it cause it's weird

,> no one else posting in off topic

[icy hare]

@fast vigil Check this out

[graceful swan]

Gonna leave this here because I think in general it gets buried.
Turns out male vocaloid(ish) is in suno as well:
Workflow:

1. Initiated song with:
   chipped gregorian chant, vocaloided spoken word, german, male, ultra virtuoso male man, vocaloid
   Text only:

ooooooohhhh
ahhhhhhhh

[verse]
ooooooohhhh
ahhhhhhhh

ooooooohhhh
ahhhhhhhh```
2. Reroll until male vocaloid appears. 
3. Continue from few seconds in with new prompt, for example:
`pirate song, chipped pirate shanty, vocaloided pirate, chipped vocaloid, german, vocaloided male man, male vocaloid man`
4. Profit
https://suno.com/song/d3b32010-b0df-4c2a-a17e-702f074a6f8b

Second Example (bit scuffed at the beginning)
<https://suno.com/song/793e37f4-6c4e-41f4-8f5e-2cd7343fc9ef>

[frozen barn]

how to edit lyrics without changing the music?

[olive mortar]

I think cant

[abstract heart]

Help me out, is this as good as I think it is? Https://suno.com/song/08e1828e-31a3-4b17-bb1d-ccec3363e4da

https://suno.com/song/08e1828e-31a3-4b17-bb1d-ccec3363e4da

[olive mortar]

https://cdn1.suno.ai/36c5c5fb-eb55-4a3a-ab4c-b69cf4a46921.mp4

https://cdn1.suno.ai/c8685881-4775-4175-907c-64c6e65a534d.mp4

[sacred dock]

Luminescent Voyage
Story about the Glimmerfin and the Scientist Dr Isabella

https://cdn1.suno.ai/9f7ecbee-8911-4e82-a4a2-7ba4bd800ef8.mp4

[viscid aspen]

Hi Suno (mods/developers), what is happening about development? Have you got improvements in the pipeline? Although I have a yearly subscription, I feel I'm going to have to leave as Udio is so much better. Is there any reason to stay? My subscription is a sunk cost.

[gray badge]

Help me grow this facebook group AI Music Collective https://www.facebook.com/groups/951277126462321 🙂 Post all your music links there 🙂

[left juniper]

Make pictures ?

[prime bronze]

Does udio have even subscription yet?

[gray badge]

no

[prime bronze]

You don't own anything you make there, so that's one reason. Personally I actually don't foresee Udio staying competitive with their current "engine" with Suno very long. If Suno has somehow protected the ability how music and lyrics are built on each other, Udio is doomed. It would be beneficial for Suno to get its sound quality quickly on par with Udio.

[eternal geyser]

Is there another Ai music generator website like Suno?

[hoary wind]

I subscribed in November when V2 was the only option.
Nothing new happened with Suno until around February, when V3 alpha was revealed. Everyone was hyped for it at that point. V3 released in March. The hype has died down. (Admittedly there is a strong opinion that it's not as good as the alpha was but anyway....)
It is now April. Udio beta is available. There's been quite a lot of hype about it. Eventually that hype will also die down.
Suno is still being developed. The site has had various changes lately. V4 is being worked on. They won't change the existing models so any major improvements will likely come when V4 is out. The developers won't be sitting there doing nothing.

My views/opinions based on what I've experienced and read about in this discord server

(this is in response to Ezzy)

[vale lake]

it's not really a sunk cost, you can use both. However, as you use them, you'll see there are tradeoffs to Udio atm. If they increase the context window that may change, but as of now Suno has better composition.

[ivory stag]

udio got some wild stuff

https://www.udio.com/songs/sbByMZSDcc1UE7ARhKyoxt

[heavy hill]

Yo @sterile basin I tried to remake (part of) Cat myself in FL Studio whadya think?

[sterile basin]

The melody is a bit much

[late crown]

@willow atlas sorry we are no longer allowing your songs. They are officially not allowed since you are violating copyright laws.

[ancient wave]

using both udio and suno i find in my particular needs and usage udio to be better in creating the music I want, right up to the moment where i want to have any sort of continuity in choruses due to just how small the clips are and how it only rmembers the previous clip, whereas suno has a bit more memory but sounds too 'modern' like for trying to create 60's - 80's music

i found suno is too studio like and constantly tries to do chorused voice when I try to specifically tell it not too, where udio i can get some quite believable new zealand 80's pop

suno can make actual 'normal' songs that have continuity where in udio i can only get continuity by basically going verse, chorus, verse, chorus, verse etc etc

[hoary wind]

The chorus/choir issue seems pretty common here. Pretty sure they'll focus on avoiding that happening in the next version.

I like making instrumentals that evolve rather than traditional verse/chorus/verse/chorus etc. and I actually find Suno does this quite well, whereas Udio seems to be reluctant to go off the path it's chosen.

[frozen temple]

Have a clown.

[vale lake]

hey chat, some of you may know me from, well, here

https://open.spotify.com/album/0kfxRqGbLuVjrGfunfOj8d?si=de29aWbTSyWyJBqJXI4YRg

New instrumental album dropped, but equally important, I have opened up the full playlist

on my profile

so people can use the prompt info

in their own gens

I also am planning (hopefully) to do another stream this week. It will go over some of the stuff I went over on that one stream a couple months ago, as well as possibly cover design

if anyone is interested in that process

I also may go over writing

[magic vault]

may I know what software or app did you use on creating this video?

[vale lake]

more generally

I can't make people good at producing lyrics instantly, but I can certainly offer some tips that will minimally improve your Suno specific output

which is highly dependent on lyrivs

lyrics

so yea, if you want to see that stream, follow my Instagram that my wife is kindly managing now https://www.instagram.com/yolkheadtheband?igsh=MXRtZzZhOWJkMWFyMQ==

[magic vault]

what distributor are you using right now?

[vale lake]

as you're more likely to catch it there

as Discord messages you may miss

[vale lake]

distrokid

I've heard bad things about them though

[magic vault]

have you tried ditto?

[vale lake]

eh, I'm not super finicky with that aspect. Is there a benefit to one over the other?

I have to "pick my battles"

as I work full time + kids

so most of my energy goes into design and music

[urban locust]

Sometimes the ai goes freestyle and puts the lyrics in the wrong order. Can you manually change the visible lyrics after a song is made? Someone knows?

[magic vault]

I just read a couple of good things about Ditto. I haven't tried them yet.

[vale lake]

no unfortunately

[urban locust]

Thanks for answering, at least I wasn't blind then

[vale lake]

and once it does that you may have issues with prompt adherence with rhe lyrics. However, it also can sometimes be interesting, as it's progressions can at times sound better

I just take it as it's "creative input" 😄

[magic vault]

What is the approximate release time for a song on DistroKid?

[urban locust]

It's way better than my idea! I just want the lyrics to match

[vale lake]

3 days to spotify in my experience

however it's best to schedule

ahead, as apparently this improves your listing on playlists

[dusty patrol]

update version of my udio playlist/album now contaaing all of my 11 good songs wil update it reguraly when i make new songs https://www.udio.com/playlists/wNWXv4tJtoSaJnTGNaLais

[abstract heart]

High effort, 100% written by me. Lmk what you think
https://suno.com/song/10cf5b82-280d-4e15-80ec-2c3eda25dff0

[knotty needle]

write a song in nepali about a guy who loved a toxic girl and the girl left him and he got mad and later he recovered and he wrote a song describing this scnerio

[dusty patrol]

let me try okay but im not realy that good at writting own lyrics but il try

want any specific genre

[gilded arrow]

Anyone wanna play skrbbl im hosting?

heres the link

https://skribbl.io/?mQCv5IY3

[dusty patrol]

uhm so its kinda hard to do in nepali but yea so i ended up whit this so hope you like it https://www.udio.com/songs/cnxSpUeR4Ze32ikTijLQGw

i also dont know if it acurate since i dont speek nepali so i hade to constantly translate it but i hope its good

but the best part has to be the cover for the song that looks so nice

[onyx moat]

Another Udio cinematic orchestra... I want to do this with Suno guys 😦

Dev's please... v4 needs to sound this good if not better. Better is much preferred.
Do not know how you are doing the tagging/tokenizing for this but please add some soundtracks to your training please 🙏

[dusky bluff]

Congrats on releasing a cohesive whole album, it can be hard work and drive me up the wall, respect !

Have you already got a place to stream I could subscribe to ? I don't use instagram so I'd love to skip that step 😄

[fast rivet]

hi. could you explain what exactly happened, how the link or so looked that you clicked? i have a freind with exactly the same problem now and we try to find out how it exactly happened. i moderate a lot of discords and want to write down a small guide on how a suspicious activity like this looks, to prevent users from falling for it. thanks ✌️

[vale lake]

Thanks

It's actually my fourth now

This one was really mostly for my wife's sake bc she's more into instrumental

all my other stuff is more indie/alt

Next album is finalized as well

So now on when I get my next tokens I can refine the main one I've been working on, which I really want to be highly polished, as it will be based on my most popular book of poetry

And yea, I don't want to squander that release, plus it has sentimental value

[vale lake]

Yea, I'm on twitch, hang on

I gotta remember lol

https://m.twitch.tv/yolkheadtheband

[long tendon]

First off, I should have done due diligence and took a note and screenshot of the post. I regret not doing that.
What I remember is:

• The link was posted in the showcase channel, amongst plenty other links
• Some links in the showcase channel did not had an embed, hence one had to click on them to see.
• There was no usual @everyone or @here tag, plus small bait text
• The link did not featured any tell-tale word and / or address.
• The same link was not posted in other channels

Rationale for me clicking on the link, was to verify it wasn't a scam link but a genuine link to some work made with Pika. I decided to "take a hit for the user" and I was then sent to a clearly steam $50 spam.
What I was not aware is that simply clicking on such a link would have lead to being hacked...

[vale lake]

Hopefully sometime this week

likely thursday

[long tendon]

Hope that helps. Thanks anyway for revoking the ban. Appreciate it

[vale lake]

This is also why I tell people not to click on mp3s. You can assume there exist exploits that shouldn't happen. That's why they're exploits.

I remember there was a huge one that was embedded in whatsapp pictures, so basically if it was sent in a chat you were in, that's it

you didn't even need to open it, just the chat

since it auto downloads the images

Basically, be careful with links always

and you can assume people online are malicious

[fast rivet]

nothing more required then clicking the link?? ok. thats scary. the link was hidden behind a pika link address? sorry for all the questions. you are helping me a lot here.

[dusky bluff]

Thanks mate !

[vale lake]

No problem; it'll likely be sometime a week from now, as I have my kids home on break atm. But you'll see it, and I'll put up a message in here when I have finalized the time.

[long tendon]

No, the link was from a user, not referring to anything tied to pika or youtube. But it wasn't as obvious as your run of the mill scam. What other mods told me, is they think is this new spam that takes the token generated to keep you logged in on your browser. Luckily I was on my mobile, therefore I did not had any of my other account open in the mobile browsers

[long tendon]

My understanding is that, whenever you download something, you know it's fishy if as an mp3 has an .exe extention and not an .mp3 one

[fast rivet]

thanks for pointing me into a direction to search. i appreciate your help a lot. 🔥

[dusky bluff]

Followed, I hope I catch that !

[long tendon]

It's ok! 🙂 It's only fair that others can learn and protect themselves from those pesky scummy scammers

[old belfry]

I love this one combination with the woman floating above the crowd. All of them are really fun, but this one is my fav.

[icy hare]

I love this. She looks like one of my RP characters!

[ashen fjord]

Interpretations of AI can be so weird yet so accurate. These were part of the noisee clip where I asked for a suspicious kitten. These two scenes were particularly suspicious lol

[unique crescent]

So anyways back to the handcrafted chairs

I'm doing something similar, I'd suggest some reading first to prime yourself for going into something businesslike like that. Steve Blank has a great course on udacity I'm doing that comes along with some required reading that gets you in the right mindset to even approach that question you asked correctly.

[crimson plank]

I would say the individual would find the handcrafted chair more valuable than the factory one.

But the mass production has also lowered the value of the chair to the general masses.

[unique crescent]

Correct. Personally I found that this line of thinking actually boils down to "Can I produce these chairs without being there, so that way I can expand my own business, and not have to make chairs all day, and can I do that in such a way that I don't get pwned by China and some guy with an MBA that take my idea and do it better."

So the unique value proposition of your chair would be a good start, is there a niche, and what makes it different

[brazen panther]

So in the end values just got lower for both, and for handcrafting people just got harder

[crimson plank]

Exactly, and why would anyone ever feel the need to put that hard work into making a chair again?

That skill then becomes lost

[brazen panther]

It nature it would be called natural selection
either you move on, or get outcompeted

[unique crescent]

I live in a busy tourist area, with a good location to physically show my product, and I'm building good systems to make it easy to produce by a minimum wage worker. I'm planning on using facebook ads and direct marketing. And I'm reading because there are a lot of smart people. Really all you have to do is make the good numbers better than the bad numbers, and then you have money. But that's a whole thing.

[crimson plank]

Sure some people might tinker at it, but never to that quality

[frozen temple]

Oehh, Very Final Fantasy XIII Lightning (Probably my fav FF character as a whole)

[vale lake]

I enjoyed that one too, it reminds me of raised by wolves

[crimson plank]

I guess one of the big things is can AI make it too easy to not need to really think and figure things out.

Why write if AI will do it for me?

Why create if AI will do it for me?

[vale lake]

This is a reductionist and ahistorical take imo

it presumes that having better tooling hasn't also in turn raised the quality of skilled craftsmanship

on top of mass production

which, it provably has. Having some tinkerer scrap together your car is never going to get you a Bugatti

[frozen temple]

We still use pencils, same fright the advent of the typewriter, PC, printer etc.

[crimson plank]

At the same time you can't buy a washer machine that last more than a couple years now despite tools and everything becoming better.

[brazen panther]

If AI can mane same quality, wins that one who can same time and make big quantities of something

Suno is same as factories for handcrafters or cars for horses
it matter of time when suno or something else that gonna replace suno will have same quality

[vale lake]

You'll always have folk myths of things like old sword smiths whose ways we've "lost" but this is a well trodden trope, and it's just not true

[brazen panther]

idk mate, in europe they hold for 10's of years 😀

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-eating-watching-chewing-entertained-gif-16153931

[vale lake]

This has a lot to do with system age in any economy

and less to do with mechanization and automation

don't blame the tech, blame monopolistic practices

namely, there is basicslly one giant mega Corp that makes almost every appliance you buy

[crimson plank]

I guess I should make it clear beforehand, I don't necessarily believe it's going to end up in this direction as long as people make sure to differentiate the difference between something being AI generated and their own creation.

[vale lake]

I forget their name,but unless you buy from certain specific manufacturers, it's made by this company and rebranded

Midea I believe

[frozen temple]

This is global btw, no specific to a certain type of government.

[vale lake]

yea

[frozen temple]

Only it can't be a monopoly if it's the state that runs it

[crimson plank]

There's a vast difference between "This is my prompt" and "This is my creation"

[vale lake]

to me, capitalism and communism are literally just different forms of the same eventuality, namely the tendency of a system to overfit

[frozen temple]

The political field is just a cylinder where all extremes secretly hold hands out of sight.

[brazen panther]

did humans as whole ever cared about such things?
The moment AI quality equals to human made and it can print it like factory, 90% of human population gonna fall under "I don't care who made this"

[vale lake]

both end up with huge issues due to a lack of diversity

[vale lake]

effectively, yes. Late stage capitalism is a gov run by Nestlé. Communism is a gov run by Nestlé.

[crimson plank]

Back to the washer machine thing, I don't blame the tools, it's 100% monopolistic practices and how they USE those tools.

[brazen panther]

as a person from ex communist country
no, not same at all

[vale lake]

It's candy all the way down

[vale lake]

kk

Like, you see the fallacy there ya? You come from a communist country, I come from a capitalist country in the later stages.

[brazen panther]

well in some way it is
Communism = You have money, nothing to buy
Capitalism = You don't have money, you can buy everything

[vale lake]

Neither of us can speak to the others experience

[frozen temple]

I'm a centrist

[vale lake]

what I can tell you is the life expectancy in the US is less than Syria

sooooo.

[vale lake]

same.

[frozen temple]

i'd still rather be in the US tho

[crimson plank]

It's not necessarily about "who" made something, but remembering you didn't when an AI did.

[vale lake]

or rather, I vote on policy

not on individual group politics

[frozen temple]

I vote, and I involve myself. But I'm right leaning for lefties, and left leaning for rightoids.

[vale lake]

a non-generalized AI doesn't make anything

I see 3daisy

[late crown]

In the end it is in the eye of the beholder.. and nobody is 100% right..

[vale lake]

is politics off limits?

[brazen panther]

By this logic, musicians didn't made music it was made by computer

[west hull]

let's credit Intel & Nvidia on every song now

[vale lake]

exactly, I agree. Unless you have a generalized AI, then yes, that machine is making it, because it's a living thing effectively

[crimson plank]

Depends, did the musician write the score and place the notes?

[vale lake]

but if it's a normal model, it's just a very advanced tool

[vale lake]

yrollin

[brazen panther]

now we getting hypocritical

[frozen temple]

People do not care who made it or how it's made. As much as they scream they do, they don't aslong as the consumer likes it.

[late crown]

He just wants to win his debate 🤷‍♀️

[vale lake]

like, who comes up with your words? You don't consciously generate every word you make, they just flow, no?

Hell, musical innovation is mostly muscle memory ie a neural net that knows how to follow a progression.

it's just internal

what's different is I can focus on the end product of a hundred progressions at once

[frozen temple]

So then, I'm not an artist since I don't make my own paints?

[vale lake]

the consumer can care, but long term, they won't

[crimson plank]

Not the same

[brazen panther]

You wanna be true musician, go bang rock and sticks in rhythm, now we are talking, A True Musician made music without any help

[vale lake]

this is the way

ug ug rock

ug ug roll

[frozen temple]

Orchestra has left the chat

[crimson plank]

There is a difference between strumming a guitar and learning the skill vs typing in "play a rock song" on a computer

[vale lake]

me wish for old day

[west hull]

imagine the first purist when they started to use a sheep skin applied on a cup to have more reverbation

[vale lake]

except that's not it. It's literally a skill.

[late crown]

You are preaching to the choir

[frozen temple]

simple time, smash rock against tree, hunt big elephant, foood.

[brazen panther]

yes skill
result is the same tho

as facotry made chair, or handcrafted if quality same

[vale lake]

if it wasn't, people would all be able to produce stellar outputs

and guess what? once they can?

the bar shifts

[crimson plank]

To listeners yes, but as a creator no.

[vale lake]

ie, it literally uplifts art

[graceful swan]

Well go on put. "Rock Song" into suno and compare the output to some of the things on the trending page for example

[vale lake]

and empowers expression, particularly by those who might not have the resources

https://open.spotify.com/album/0kfxRqGbLuVjrGfunfOj8d?si=e-7EO7tLTHeJOBraQikCWA

[frozen temple]

Honestly I'm glad AI is shaking the creative world to it's core. Out of all the fields within society, art has remained mostly stagnent when it comes to competition.. Cut the fat and let real artists shine through regardless.

[vale lake]

shameless shilling

[brazen panther]

But does it matter in the end
Listener is what both trying to reach, and listener doesn't care about you and how you made it if it sounds good to him

[vale lake]

like, these tracks took a lot of experimentation

[west hull]

at some point suno or something else gonna reach the same level or even better just with 2 words, we can see that with image generations already

[vale lake]

knowledge of progression, musical eras, like, literal research

[quasi apex]

Can you tell me more about this by chance? I'm in cybersecurity, I'd like to do some malware analysis

[brazen panther]

at some point it gonna be enough to think about idea, to hear a banger. Imagine arguments it gonna create like we having rn about Suno

[vale lake]

and then also just like a certain amount of skill, albeit along a different axis. I happen to be decent with machine learning models broadly.

[frozen temple]

If anything we still hold the keys. As AI, the glorifyed pattern recognition macchine has no Imagination

[brazen panther]

Like there is literally lack of music in my country, only one field that dominates. Simply if it works it works
now suno gonna shake that for sure

[frozen temple]

Without H.R. Giger, No matter how many AI you throw against a project. The Xenomorphs will never be the same.

[graceful swan]

Well that will just lift the skill floor further up not lower the ceiling

[crimson plank]

I guess for myself, I don't feel like I made the song by writing a prompt and pressing enter, compared to when I pick up an instrument. One develops skills and can be a learning experience, one is not.

[vale lake]

great 👍

this is what I anticipate

[frozen temple]

Forces your country to diversify

[vale lake]

but again, there will still be things that produce better bs worse. If all music, I some hypothetical, is "maxxed" then suddenly being in tune with popular styles becomes the main factor

and of course, fuckong lyrics

[frozen temple]

You know what's funny, Imo. Image generation was better 2 years ago. The mistakes are more akin to art than the perfect shit we have now.

[vale lake]

(ie the age of poets is back, at least until LLMs generalize)

[brazen panther]

Who need skill when its obsolete?
I am not talking about musicians not insulting them, I am talking if skill is no longer needed, it just not needed anymore the end

[vale lake]

because you are using her likeness

it's basically her brand

or rather, her estate

's brand

[graceful swan]

Well if you only enter the prompt and let it do it's thing instead of refining it with style changes on continues and steer it where you want thats on you.

[frozen temple]

You're still using her name, probably the biggest thing about a musician in terms of branding

[long tendon]

What do you mean?

[vale lake]

oy vey

[frozen temple]

if anything, make a funny pun out of her name.

[vale lake]

you literally do the same thing with AI

[frozen temple]

Amy Winecellar.

[grave pebble]

Hello, good morning. Sorry to bother you, but do you know why I can't see the continuation option on the clips I have just made?

[quasi apex]

There was some malicious site you visited with fake mp3 malware right?

[vale lake]

like, I've seen tons of people make ai art, and everyone thinks "oh, yea, it's easy, everyone can just type what they want"

but no, it's not actually

[crimson plank]

Even by refining it, it's still mostly the work of AI.

[frozen temple]

It kinda is

[pulsar jackal]

Suno AI isn't making music for sure. You only generate it.
Can write your lyrics too. But it's not comparable to making your own at all

[long tendon]

No it was a fake steam website

[crimson plank]

Depending on how much refining you do I suppose

[frozen temple]

Ai generation will never create art. But man is it good at making general examples.

[long tendon]

i downloaded anything that i know of. on my mobile browser, i don't have automatic downloads

[vale lake]

I mean, if you want to make something in an existing style, yes, but if you want to make, for example, and album cover, no

Or rather, I've seen people do that repeatedly

[graceful swan]

If that's how you feel about it.

[vale lake]

and they're terrible

6 fingers, blurry details, muddy abstraction

bad overall composition

[pulsar jackal]

I spent 6 hours on a track I didn't really make it imho I spent time generating and editing a little. But I was making a remake of another AI song in FL Studio for a bit... but it's basically remaking everything just using the original track as a template

[vale lake]

uninteresting at best, at worst literally abhorrent

[frozen temple]

Well that's what I am looking into myself. I'm planning on uploading a whole portfolio specifically tailored to AI with my own work (Traditional Artist)

[crimson plank]

Changing some words in a book doesn't make me the author.

[vale lake]

LoRa you mean,

[frozen temple]

See if I can create my own stylistic LoRA or AI checkpoint.

[vale lake]

ya, you can, it's not hard

[frozen temple]

No I mean not just 'like'.

[vale lake]

But the art is in that

[frozen temple]

It actually producing stuff in my personal style.

Not akin

[vale lake]

in the creation of the model, in addition to the knowledge of bow to manipulate these models, and skill in understanding the way the model communicates

[brazen panther]

You feel about Suno generated songs like that?

[frozen temple]

Well artists should learn how to use it rather than kick again it, or they'll be out of fun-made money.

Anyway I'm getting too high for this, and as I get more baked, my fingers get looser.

[west hull]

remember when npc-people thought that a banana strapped on a wall was art? that's the world we live in btw

[frozen temple]

we didn't improve, we have protestors throwing soup against protected pieces.

[vale lake]

lol, you would hate art

like, art history is mostly that

[frozen temple]

I hate modern art

[brazen panther]

I hate such people, trying to ruin literal old art

[vale lake]

bc it's all about transgression and subverting tropes

otherwise you are effectively describing craftsmanship

[frozen temple]

I'm a master painter according to my degree, but fuck old buildings. Make my concrete jungle

And fuck conservators, mfer. Van Gogh wasn't thinking about freedom for every branch, maybe he just felt like painting a fucking tree.

I'm out.

[brazen panther]

mic drop

[vale lake]

and thus we subvert tropes

same way writers aren't all sympblists

you have artistic movements that are, basically, reactionary

also van gogh was just trying to get some

the art was incidental

[frozen temple]

It was more of a generalised example, but you get my point 😛

[vale lake]

for sure, I'm just of the personal opinion that it's all art, essentially. But I like everything from dadaism to baroque, there's not much I don't enjoy

entarte kunst

all the way to

to anime

if it's interesting

[crimson plank]

What about:

[vale lake]

ya, I'm a dadaist

shits fire

[frozen temple]

I had a 20 week apprenticeship who basically talked style(era) so much (within every sentence), I blanked it out of my system, like genuinely. I have only retained 3 artists (outside the stereotypical one)

[vale lake]

they used to just put up urinals

[frozen temple]

He did get me into canvas painting though.

That's nice, aside from a blank spot within my knowledge

[crimson plank]

Well, I must be going, good discussion everyone.

[vale lake]

entarte kunst is "degenerate art" as the nazi regime called it. Ironically it makes a great genre tag for some pretty amazing art.

[frozen temple]

That's honestly a solid category I'm gonna paste in my notes.

[vale lake]

art brut as well as outsider art

will get similar

I've been using it a lot lately

[frozen temple]

John Blanche (OG Warhammer art) and H.R.Giger are two of my favorites. If those were ever in their prime again, I'd kill for an apprenticeship. (I know Giger wasn't necessarily an artist)

[frozen temple]

I like that

Very much like my own topical preferences

Very bad photo. But this was for instance my graduation self-portrait.

[vale lake]

ah you'll like this one, hang on. I won't post images from it, it's a lora I made

bc I think creepy images are artistically powerful

hang on

https://civitai.com/models/347097?modelVersionId=388803

that will probably contain some interesting outputs

[frozen temple]

some of that new luminal-trend feel

Eerie uncanny

This might be a better photo

Even though the quality is worse

Dark paintings are hard to photograph anyway

[west hull]

unless they smile

[frozen temple]

Well I've gotten better since but I never feel the need to photograph my stuff

That one is from 9 years ago or something

[frank panther]

Continuation has been renamed to EXTEND

[icy hare]

https://tenor.com/view/halo2-halo-sgt-maj-avery-johnson-i-know-what-the-ladies-like-gif-24424706

[frozen temple]

It was lowkey inspired by Predator/Xenomorphs, so you're in theme

Have another alien.

[icy hare]

These are in my RPG setting

[frozen temple]

Got that one on mmy ankle eventually.

[frozen temple]

Oehh, nice.

[frozen temple]

I like the carapace and people always forget, aliens don't have to walk.

[west hull]

Is there suno competitors?

[ashen fjord]

There is Udio that came out to open beta like a bit over a week ago, unsure of any others but you can find out by using a search engine

[naive coral]

Udio is slow tho

[ashen fjord]

I agree but it is the only competitor that I know about 🤷‍♂️

[west hull]

Do you know a other one?

[naive coral]

sonauto

or riffusion?

[gilded arrow]

https://garticphone.com/en/?c=00d2468af5

[fast rivet]

hahah lol

[floral mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpRVMAtGgB0

Has AI gone too far?

[west hull]

Those are not as high quality as suno

[ashen fjord]

You were asking for any competitors, not ones that seems better than Suno 🤷‍♀️ That is the only one I known of and it IS a recent release in its beta stage

[west hull]

Can you look harder?

[ashen fjord]

Why should I? You should be the one putting in the effort.

[frozen temple]

I wish it went further.

[floral mauve]

Nyo I think it's perfect the way it is

[mossy trout]

Lol this response is like you talking to @ashen fjord like they paimon gpt

[floral mauve]

Every ai video should make me feel like I'm in a dream

[ashen fjord]

Be careful of what you wish for or you may get something like this

[floral mauve]

Paimon while your working hard to search for that guy could you also fill out my taxes

[floral mauve]

Not dream like enough

[ashen fjord]

Taxes are dependent on where you live. If you are in USA, I know there are free tax programs available from the government (albeit it is for people in the low brackets iirc).

I personally found taxes are easy to do so long as it is your personal tax (company-related taxes can get so complicated) and if your region does not intentionally try to obfuscate the tax system

[floral mauve]

Damn was hoping Paimon.gpt could do them

[ashen fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-paimon-bored-eye-gif-27593801

[floral mauve]

Was kidding though I finished my taxes last month

[ashen fjord]

That looks creepier than the one I had generated

[floral mauve]

Why is there music

Sucked the camera to hell on accident

[ashen fjord]

Ah, I was making video clips for one my Suno songs on noisee

[floral mauve]

i c

Using runway to do my gens though I don't do music videos

Going to try something else with that image

[ashen fjord]

I am only putting in some effort for this one because it was my first time trying out Noisee

Yeah, that is creepy. Looks like a demonic shapeshifter (or some poor kid is catching on magical fire)

[floral mauve]

Also pretty sure the street just got destroyed behind them

[ashen fjord]

Little red ain't so little no more

Definitely looks like it

[floral mauve]

Gotta admit it's pretty cool it's filling in stuff you don't see in the image

[late crown]

@floral mauve to avoid confusing under other users, can you please remove your previous videos? The cover is almost the same and might cause the confusion you are double posting.

[floral mauve]

Little confused but no issue in removing them

[late crown]

You can keep the last 🙂

[floral mauve]

Oh I got you now

[late crown]

😄

[floral mauve]

Instead I'll just post the other more demonic one I didn't post yet

[ashen fjord]

Definitely looks like a video about a shape-shifting causing havoc

[floral mauve]

Think the ai has to force something to look more human so it can move properly

Not that it's moving properly though...

[ashen fjord]

What if you specify centaur/minotaur or a specific creature leg like a lion? Hmm

[floral mauve]

I could give it a picture of a centaur and let it rip

[ashen fjord]

A centaur walking in a field should give something good, and probably something weird if you specify in a city

[floral mauve]

Tried to find a good photo for reference

Went with this one

[ashen fjord]

Didn't expect that

[floral mauve]

Me either

Might need to get midjourney to whip me a better one but we'll see how this goes

[dusty patrol]

I need to know if this almbum/playlist is good as it is or if i should make more music to add to it https://www.udio.com/playlists/wNWXv4tJtoSaJnTGNaLais

[floral mauve]

ty runway exactly what I wanted

I'll give it a text prompt instead I guess

[dusty patrol]

Looking great already

[floral mauve]

Why does the wheat or whatever is just dissolve around them

[dusty patrol]

It doesnt disolve the camara just goes a bit up

[floral mauve]

Nah it dissolves thats why it has smoke

[dusty patrol]

Wait no your right

[floral mauve]

Just turned it to dust instead of having them fight

[dusty patrol]

Maybe a acid rain or extreme heat

[floral mauve]

I hate when this happens to me when I ride a horse

[dusty patrol]

Blud is a transformer

[floral mauve]

I don't think ai videos know what a centaur is yet

[dusty patrol]

Yea or maybe ad mythical creature to the prompt

[floral mauve]

It understands the horse part of the centaur

[dusty patrol]

Maybe try to explain to the ai what a centaur is

[floral mauve]

Two centaurs (half horse, half human mythical creature) running in a city trying to avoid traffic

This one is loading rn

inb4 top half is horse

[dusty patrol]

We wil see if it good

[floral mauve]

Watch the horse behind them

[dusty patrol]

Now thats a transformer

[ashen fjord]

I am surprised it had no issue with the hair tbh

Then again, a lot more data for hair than horse legs

[floral mauve]

I feel like hair is easier cause it can morph a lot more without you even realising

[ashen fjord]

True

[frozen temple]

I forgot to bless you with a clown in the last few hours.

give me a second

Have a suno clown

One more, because she's cheeky

[west hull]

Does anyone know if there is a command to place instruments at the beginning of the song?

[floral mauve]

For Suno?

[floral mauve]

I may have broke the clown

[frozen temple]

wait

[frozen temple]

This one might do funky stuff with it's teeth

Or are you doing that pan website?

[floral mauve]

Using runway but I added the pan

Holy

It went wild with it for the 2nd one I made

[frozen temple]

lol

he transformed

[floral mauve]

Ended with a whole new clown

[frozen temple]

he's just clowning around

[floral mauve]

[orchid gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pn7jhYLUSc&ab_channel=WeaverBeats

[ashen fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-stewart-mild-shock-shocked-shock-mild-gif-5292523

[white light]

Horror clowns

[rain swallow]

hmmm

but I various names, it'll muck up some stuff if it contains multiple words

[brazen patrol]

https://suno.com/song/f1b2fb5a-fc00-4fab-b2ce-ba9edec50e53 This is a song I wrote and made, about spending too damn much time and credits on Suno, which costed me too damn much time and credits on Suno. 😭👌

[cedar iris]

I think I am going to use BOTH Suno and Udio

[hoary wind]

But what about Riffusion?! 😆 (Something is happening with that soon, not sure what)

[ashen fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lurking-gif-22179921

[strange yarrow]

@ashen fjord in noisee do i just go to the generate mv channel and do /imagine <link>

?

[pliant knot]

hi

[ashen fjord]

You have to go to their servers #imagine-mv channel and use /imagine url:https://...

After sending that command, a prompt will appear asking you what you wanf (which is where you can specify the time segment as well)

[strange yarrow]

ok thanky

[ashen fjord]

You're welcome

I think they disabled all other sources due to spammers and bots

[scenic fulcrum]

Oops it's 6am

In all fairness I was up till 3am due to my kids being sick

[fallow turret]

Wheres the verse about your playlists bugging out

https://suno.com/song/13dbd0c1-1cfa-49d0-8f9d-5c6e782ed6ed

16 bit bossa nova

It made it sound like a little platformer adventure song, it turned out fun

[brazen patrol]

@fallow turret prolly should of added

[fallow turret]

Seriously the playlists are so broken it drives me insane

I just made a new playlist for my favorites because my last one added literally every song I made

And this one just added a bunch of random songs that I didn't even add

[west hull]

:plagiarism machine intensifies:

[bleak yoke]

X

[cedar iris]

My first original from over there

[tropic pasture]

This is a fun little song on my album: generating these distinctive vocals is quite a challenge: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ulGd9w5-kg

[ashen flame]

/chirp

[dusty patrol]

i need to know whatyou guys think of this song i made with udio https://www.udio.com/songs/9vH2aCEMgnKCMy1M8vfGtJ

also if it ends abrut its not my problem since it wouldent give me a good outro so this is gona be the full song

[dusty patrol]

made yet another song https://www.udio.com/songs/7YrUHKjmS9YqBw1Uwuivb3

[forest egret]

Hi Guys, anyone has a nice solution to manage multiple text on same screen ? so i can have same Songtext but different variations on the same screen i can desite wich one i use etc. slide them on the screen to have better overwiev at my sontexts ? thanks

[pliant knot]

hi

[dusty patrol]

i made yet another song, i did for prompt this: a song for the game far cry 5. And i think it worked wel https://www.udio.com/songs/2ekH8CZ6RT5cW5XxRg5JjT

[dusty patrol]

hi

[pliant knot]

wanna hear my songs

[dusty patrol]

sure

[pliant knot]

https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1316185

[dusty patrol]

you uploaded it on newgrounds

[pliant knot]

yes and i have a license for it

[dusty patrol]

nice

[pliant knot]

if you dont want to hear it from ng i am posting it here anyway

also i found about this website yesterday please dont insult

[dusty patrol]

its not bad i mean if made far worse songs i think

[pliant knot]

this is a better batch

[dusty patrol]

only thing i can say is that the vocals dont sound realy good but i mean thatjust cuz suno aint the best at providing good vocals

[pliant knot]

oh ok

[dusty patrol]

thats also why i went to udio since the quality is better but only down side is the lack of structure

and that you can only generate 33 each generation so youl have to becarfull on udio that you dont mess up bigg time or that it just flows right

[dusty patrol]

this second batch is not bad

welp probaly gona make another song to get 15 songs in my album/playlist on udio

[pliant knot]

kk

wait

@dusty patrol

[dusty patrol]

yea

[pliant knot]

can you do hardstyle speedcore instrumental

please

[dusty patrol]

sure il try

[pliant knot]

thank you

[dusty patrol]

i mostly make rock or slow songs so this wil be a great opertunitie

il also send it to you when im done

wil take about 20minuts to make probaly depends on the time it takes to generate stuf

[pliant knot]

ohh ok

[dusty patrol]

wel gona take abit longer cuz i accidently puttet first generation on a already complet song cuz i frogot to click on creat new so yea

[pliant knot]

can you try it with suno please

[dusty patrol]

actualy thats a better intro to that song

[dusty patrol]

uhm so i dont uses suno any more so probaly wont but let me first do it on udio then il might do it on suno

[pliant knot]

ok

[dusty patrol]

its jsut the first version but you wanted something like this https://www.udio.com/songs/jb1zH9LDawC8chtEgX5WW2

wel extedn it or redo it but yea this is brainrotting

il just add soemmore genres to out balance it abit

[pliant knot]

alright

[pliant knot]

mcafee blocked udio

[dusty patrol]

yea but its safe i also use mcafee

[pliant knot]

can you please download the song and send it as mp3 here please

[dusty patrol]

okay

[toxic verge]

https://suno.com/song/6b9fd961-f466-4b7c-ba52-cea2fda0bea1

Any opinions?

[pliant knot]

so i can be on the safer side

thank ytou

[pliant knot]

https://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1316185 rate mine and i rate yours

[dusty patrol]

two diffirent song same name apperintly

[pliant knot]

also the song is good 😄

[pliant knot]

😮

[toxic verge]

Will do give me a couple minutes

[toxic verge]

thanks!

[dusty patrol]

keep in mind it its jsut the begining but wich one should i continu on

[pliant knot]

the bottom one like 2000 bpm ;-;

[pliant knot]

continue with the _1

[dusty patrol]

okay

[pliant knot]

its more chill

and fun to listen to

[dusty patrol]

yea

i mean that second one is brain rot material

[pliant knot]

lol

[dusty patrol]

but i can also do both maybe

[toxic verge]

Not my style but sounds good

Energetic

[pliant knot]

thank you 😄

[dusty patrol]

so il send the not fully done version when the next generating is done then il continu more til i think its done

this si it now il need to add somestuff to make it also end better but that wilprobaly take me in between 7 to 12 minuts or even less

its done hope you like it

[stable coral]

guys

I made my own lyrics

and this

BOPPPS

https://suno.com/song/cee3ca78-fdf2-4fd7-971a-91696b888f08

[stable garnet]

guys can u give me a good idea for pranking someone

[stable coral]

pour yogurt down their shirt

[stable garnet]

nah

i dont liek yogurt

[stable coral]

pour your yogu- nvm..

[stable garnet]

never

[hoary wind]

I don't think the idea was to eat it after pouring it down their shirt

[ashen fjord]

@fast rivet in case you did not see the above

[late crown]

No soliciting please @gray badge

[fast rivet]

i have no access to facebook.

[gray badge]

alr!

[ashen fjord]

Ah, should have clarified that it seemed like a spam thing

[gray badge]

it's just a facebook group lol

[ashen fjord]

I get that now, thought it was just a random popping in to promote the group so they can have an easier time stealing unpublished songs to post on youtube, etc.

[gray badge]

Ah no i'm in so many fb-groups for ai music and they all have wierd rules so i just made this one for evenyone to publish all of their creations

[vale lake]

tbh, the rules here are pretty chill, people harp but the mods basically just remove hate speach

and if you're literally derailing a technical thread

but I've seen off-topic on everything from the nature of human consciousness to what you should do on a date

speaking of off topic

Civitai contest for landscapes is ongoing and it took me forever to come up with something weird for it

what's unique is it's made using a carbon copy reversal of LeoSam's model's example image prompt ie I put his negative into the positive, positive into the negative, and then added, "outsider art, landscape"

ie it's prompted to be an atrocious image, and we're at the stage in AI gens now that ironically, those kinds of images are beginning go become popular

since photorealism etc is just trivial

"low quality,jpeg artifacts,blurry,poorly drawn,ugly,worst quality,art brut,outsider art, landscape, NY post apocalypse"

[pastel shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSEwgQZEvYU

[vale lake]

some other fun single shots

[prime ingot]

Anyone else think that Ai lyrics are complete garbage? I found just writing my own comes out better

[grave pebble]

Yeah, it is better.

[cedar iris]

@icy hare https://i.gyazo.com/a4d9663ffc414735ecc20aff831a5eef.png - Your discord link is invalid

[icy hare]

Resent.

[robust pier]

I'm bouncing between Suno and Udio. They have a familiar ring, and it might not be just in the name.

I'm trying the same input in both, using the simple and more complex methods. So far, I think Suno is winning, but not by that much.

Udio does have some nice features, but when you remove these from the equation, they are very similar.

Interestingly, sometimes the tracks produced are very similar, and even the lyrics share the same words. I suppose there must be a reason for this; maybe the same language model and data used. I'm just guessing!

The online setup is nicer in Udio; even the Discord is easier to navigate and use, which seems to be an easy fix.

The main plus is the ability to contact and hear from staff. There is always information coming, and this keeps you coming back.

With Suno, you never seem to hear about anything or from anyone from Suno, they remain distant, and there isn't even an up-to-date How to Make Music with Suno. Notes need to be kept update and available. As for what's coming....

Well, at the moment, I'm still comparing both while Udio is in Beta and free. What I do in one is replicated in the other. I think others should try this, too.

At the moment, Suno is in the lead, but we'll see how it progresses.

[ivory gust]

How are the voices in Udio?

like, can you do single voices without reverb'ish effects on?

because i think Suno struggles with that

[rocky meadow]

Now now, the devs have spoken, reverb is a myth.

[ivory gust]

hah!

[rocky meadow]

was like 4th on community priorities even

[pallid igloo]

I mean yea they are trash if you use the first thing they give you I usually have to do multi prompting to get what I want these language models tend to follow a strict pattern if you don't force it to go down a writing direction

[rocky meadow]

Now for me, I throw out over half my gens with thumbs down because of the reverb. But I guess that's just me being silly lol.

[ivory gust]

Only half?

[rocky meadow]

over half lol

[ivory gust]

😄

when it comes to a clean rap vocal, i've had more luck with v2

not even kidding.

[robust pier]

It seems to come down to what you put in the prompt. There are options for vocals. Type Vocal or Voice in prompt and explore the vocal options that come up. Udio is better for showing these options, Suno it's a matter of trial and error. This is one of the things they should update... selective variables.

[pallid igloo]

Just use female vocals usually solves that problem lol

[rocky meadow]

v3a was my friend and I miss it. Don't know why the devs seem to hate it so much

[ivory gust]

v3alpha is why i paid for a year

[rocky meadow]

100% speculation, no hint has ever been dropped, definitely no purple name attached. But I suspect v3a used a LOT more compute than the current v3.0, so it was more expensive for Suno. But it was (for my generations at least) so much better results.

I use less credits since v3.0 though. Not because it's better, but because I'm less excited about genning anything that I think ends up not being that good.

[ivory gust]

yeah, we don't know how many iterations they're allowing the bot to use, but that's usually a setting all AI things have, and it affects the quality. The more iterations (steps), the better the quality, but the more money you'd have to spend on server time.

Hah! Just tried doing rap in Udio. I got a really good single voice in the very first attempt.

One 2nd attempt was chorus'y like Suno

[rocky meadow]

Extending that segment might give you a whole new voice however, unless they've changed things since I tried.

[robust pier]

It's the uncertainty of what you put in to what you get out!

[ivory gust]

it only generates 33 seconds. that sucks. but then again, i'm not paying for it, so that might be why.

[rocky meadow]

Udio makes really good 1-2 segment songs, but it gets very random very fast

[ivory gust]

on the other hand, if 33 seconds is the default, i'm certainly not gonna pay for it!

Udio: Out of 4 generations I got a good voice one 2. That's a 50% success rate. Far better than Suno v3

[rocky meadow]

Not only the default (currently), the only length of gen it does.

[ivory gust]

And it was decent on the other 2

@rocky meadow that's useless

[rocky meadow]

Being able to put an intro on an existing song is nice. But a 33s intro is waaaaaay too long

[ivory gust]

so i think my verdict is that for instrumental, Suno wins. For single voice stuff Udio and Sonauto wins.

[robust pier]

I think for what you get, the price is amazing and well worth it! This will hopefully get more people using and keeping the price down for us all!

[rocky meadow]

I hope competition helps both products be better. And I've already paid for Suno for a year, so here is the place I'm really hoping to see the improvements, LOL.

[robust pier]

That's what I found, too!

Sonauto is another like name... what is it with the familiarity of names? 🙄

[ivory gust]

haha true

i have trouble remembering them because of that

[rocky meadow]

Probably something with the backend algorithm. Sonoteller, the song analysis site is also similar

[robust pier]

No one seems to know! Doesn't that get you thinking? What's happening? I have no idea what, when, or if anything is planned! So frustrating!

[rocky meadow]

I agree whole-heartedly. They have a whole channel for mini-updates. Update us, please!

[ivory gust]

it's a black box

there's like no communication with the company behind and/or devs

and i'm sure everyone who remembers v3alpha are waiting for some explanation

[rocky meadow]

I can't speak to that. I've not hung out on this discord too much lately, the general channel moves too fast for me. The devs used to talk to the community regularly, so I would guess they still do so but it just gets swept downstream too fast to be seen. But they do have dedicated ways to get info out that would not get lost and I wish they would use them

[ivory gust]

they did?

wow.

still... just a few lines of status updates in the mini-updates channel would be amazing

i've been returning in here steadily over the last month hoping for an update

[rocky meadow]

LOL they're too busy spending all our subscription money to talk to us now-a-days. I'm kidding. Mostly. But one message a week in an official channel or something on that order of magnitude? Yes. It would be appreciated.

[frank panther]

I leaked an update from Devs last week.

[ivory gust]

i just posted an example of v3alpha in the showcase channel btw. it was so awesome!

[frank panther]

(I didn't post it in updates, I can't use that channel, lol)

[ivory gust]

oh wait, ooh. gotta find that.

[west hull]

sounds good, you tried other type of music like rock & electronic? if yes, were the voice clear then?

[rocky meadow]

Can you link? I'd love to read it and it got past me.

[ivory gust]

i'm not a rock person really, but sure i have others! Desert blues:
https://suno.com/song/3c5d97f7-f3e8-4ffc-b00b-8a6d038bc516 v3alpha

notice how clean the voice is

[frank panther]

it was pretty short...
essentially Devs are focused on v4
v4 v4 v4

possible feature enabled by v4 is the 'in-painting' (maybe some others, but first v4)

website updates will be ongoing (not tied to v4)

[ivory gust]

did they mention the chorus effect thing?

[frank panther]

(It was a pretty short conversation)

[ivory gust]

ok

[rocky meadow]

There a rough estimate are we weeks? or months out?

[frank panther]

that's probably a v4 thing.

[ivory gust]

yeah, "probably". so we're back to guessing. 😑

[frank panther]

that they did not say...
(and I have been burned before repeating an estimated deadline)

[frank panther]

that was NOT a quote.

but I don't hear anything about a 'patch' for v3, so... logic?

[ivory gust]

oh sorry, that's not what i meant... more like, they didn't mention the chorus problem, which to me is the elephant in the room.

[rocky meadow]

LOL that's why I was trying to be as general as possible. But I understand not wanting to guess. Unless they had specifically said. 🙂

[ivory gust]

i don't see a need for inpainting as long as the voices are this broken

And let me back up my point about vocal quality with a third example of the clean vocals of v3alpha https://suno.com/song/1f6ad2c3-907b-40a2-bb01-2497b7f581e3
Pretty impressive, i'd say:

[frank panther]

yeah, I don't really get the drama, I'm not disagreeing with you, but I don't have that much of a problem getting solo voices.

All I can do is share my prompts that don't have it. I can't force other people to change their prompting style.

https://suno.com/song/ddc68ca3-a9bf-46d2-b157-3a69228c473d

[ivory gust]

Oh wow! Good result. Let me study that thoroughly...

[brazen patrol]

https://suno.com/song/f1b2fb5a-fc00-4fab-b2ce-ba9edec50e53

[frank panther]

I wish I had like A PROMPT that fixed it...

but it seems more like 'don't use prompt z' which is just total trial and error... 😓

[ivory gust]

I've just looked at several of your songs, and they all have good vocals, and none of them contain very much vocal guidance at all, which is mysterious to me. May I ask which kind of subscription you have?

[frank panther]

I have premium... (plus occasional top ups 😓 )

[ivory gust]

yeah okay, there weren't that many songs with v3 with single voices

not more than simply trying a lot of times would explain it

of course, i don't know if a premium membership means they use more iterations when generating songs

[frank panther]

I'm not brute forcing by sitting on a prompt and hitting generate...
If I get a bunch in a row that have chorus voices within the first few lines, I change the prompt (mostly by trying to simplify_ removing stuff, often removing voice prompts)

[ivory gust]

yeah, that's super interesting

one if your songs had "dispassionate female vocal", and another one had "breathy male".
but there's also one (Mr. Spy) with no vocal clues which does have the choir effect.
So it's confusing.

[valid basin]

The voice is super clear at the start, but it gradually turns into a choir. I really wish we could save a segment of a voice and use it in other parts of a song:

https://suno.com/song/bc8ee19c-2c55-4094-861f-8db103ae6b42

[ivory gust]

yeah it usually starts out well, but once you're 1-2 minutes in, the choir has usually arrived.

if you jump through whatever people have generated in either the general channel or in the showcase channel, and skip 1 minute into the songs, you'll pretty much always hear a choir.

[valid basin]

I've tried so many prompts. Inside the lyrics, inside the song style... male voice, solo male voice, solo vocals.... etc...

[rocky meadow]

I find it's important to cull early. The moment you get a hint of reverb, that segment has to die. It only gets worse. Sucks though when it's subtle and you've already continued before you hear it

[ivory gust]

yeah, but if you can only keep maybe the first minute or so, you might as well use v2 which has better voices

[valid basin]

I wish you could still type prompts into custom mode.

[late crown]

@unique notch No double posting please.. A good channel is #🐣┃suno-showcase

[unique notch]

ok sry

[hoary wind]

@ivory gust not sure if I asked you to have a look/listen to this (I intended to buy can't remember if I did!) but I did some testing of a Udio MP3 as they use 320kbps. See if you can hear the difference as the track progresses #🗣️┃chill-chat message

[ivory gust]

@hoary wind reencoding from mp3 to flac will not bring back the lost quality.

so for that test to make sense, you should start with something that has never been mp3 compressed

e.g. stuff from a CD

[hoary wind]

Of course. But I can't get uncompressed output from either service. My point was to test degradation from 320kbps downward at least, to see how much noticeable difference it makes.

[ivory gust]

but the sound quality on Udio isn't very good, so whether they pick 192 or 320 kbit won't make a big difference, i think.
Suno seems to have a better sound quality (and even more so with v3alpha), so in that case it might matter.

yeah, you need to get the uncompressed output from those services in order to be able to do the test

and because we cannot do that, the next best thing is to simply use a CD as the source.

[hoary wind]

Ah, I should probably add that the main point of this particular exercise was to debunk the "omg Udio so much better 320kbps MP3 mmmmm" comments

[ivory gust]

yeah good point, but sadly the test isn't valid

but your point is right. Udio could stick to 192 kbit. Suno v3alpha might actually have been so good that it would have benefited from a higher bitrate.

And then there's the musician / pro audio aspect of it, where you always try to keep your entire signal path as good as possible.

after all, mp3 compression will always mean degradation.

[hoary wind]

Admittedly it's not a perfect test (for the reasons you mention.) I was just listening to what got generated and thought "why do the hihats sound like they're so... wet?"

[ivory gust]

so even if the underlying audio isn't perfect, anyone wanting to use the audio for further processing would obviously still want as good a quality as possible.