🗣️┃chill-chat

[scarlet oriole]

emotion

[white swan]

Thanks, that'll for sure come in handy.

[crimson veldt]

You're a person, an Ai wouldn't type, and have to go and edit his mistake. And your bio says you're a person

[scarlet oriole]

yes

[scarlet oriole]

ah camon...

you ruined the fun

but it's okay

[crimson veldt]

Bro i just got here and its mad weird

[scarlet oriole]

imma grab some snacks

[white swan]

Are you saying machines can't make mistakes? They're trained on you inferiors after all, also i pretend to be human at most places.

[crimson veldt]

It wouldn't be a spelling mistake, Cause AI is based on already existing words, so you may say nonsense sometimes, but the words wont be spelled wrong

[scarlet oriole]

true

even something like giblerish it won't spell wrong word in any language

tbh i might need a new keyborad

i did namy typo

[crimson veldt]

broke or the lower % one?

[scarlet oriole]

it's just old

like 5 years?

or less

[crimson veldt]

yeah mines way to loud when i type

i need to get a silent keyboard

[scarlet oriole]

love that

preferably kinda flat

but has nice grip

for me ofc

[crimson veldt]

ofc

[scarlet oriole]

i don't like chonky

[crimson veldt]

i like chonky peanut butter, and chonky cats tho

[scarlet oriole]

THOSE ARE PREFERABLY CHONKY

[scarlet oriole]

oh

i didn't expect that

wait

[crimson veldt]

Chonk lol

[scarlet oriole]

round birb

[crimson veldt]

chonky birb

[scarlet oriole]

yeeeee

[crimson veldt]

Is that a pet bird or did you go outside and just grab it out of the air

[scarlet oriole]

used to be a pet, but it was old enough to fly so it went out and have some nice family

[crimson veldt]

Hell yeah

[scarlet oriole]

not like me

21 and single

[crimson veldt]

youre not old enough to fly too?

i feel that

[scarlet oriole]

yeah

not laid yet

[crimson veldt]

If youre 21, you should go hang out in chill bars around the area

meet some women, dudes, creatures

or you can write a suno song about it

[scarlet oriole]

and then shitting around because i know lotta shits about AI?

i don't like crowded place

for 2 reasons

[crimson veldt]

crowded places are where people are tho

[scarlet oriole]

sensitive hearing, and anxiety

basically

yeah i know

[crimson veldt]

well in all fairness i said "chill bars", like the ones that have people socializing with the game on or something, not blasting music.

[scarlet oriole]

when you said chill bars you mean Cafe?

that's occasional for me

[crimson veldt]

if you want to meet someone who will be around for more then 4 days, dont go to a cafe lol, but to each their own

[scarlet oriole]

ah, sounds like i have to extend my medication for this reason LOL

well, i know i must interact to people

i am just horrible at it in general

[crimson veldt]

Ive meet people hanging at the mall, and my local "green dragon" which is a dnd shop. go places you enjoy

assuming you have a vehicle

[scarlet oriole]

no... a bicycle?

yeah?

[crimson veldt]

if you dont mind biking place then that works man

i used to longboard down Bullhead City

[scarlet oriole]

yep

[crimson veldt]

(stay away from the blue haired ones)

[scarlet oriole]

Karen.... or....

[crimson veldt]

Lib...

[scarlet oriole]

idk which stereotype this is...

oh

nope

NOPE

[crimson veldt]

lmao

[scarlet oriole]

imma get far from rainbow thingy

holy shit...

[crimson veldt]

hell yea

[scarlet oriole]

are you perhaps Murican?

[crimson veldt]

I am, VA

[scarlet oriole]

what's VA?

virtual assistance?

[crimson veldt]

Virginia

The state in Murica

[scarlet oriole]

oh

i see

ma Indonesian

[crimson veldt]

Ah, I gotcha!

[scarlet oriole]

studied AI base languages

[crimson veldt]

my bad, i assumed by saying Murica you were also

made you a song lol

[scarlet oriole]

no...

huh...

[crimson veldt]

had to put the bird in there lol

[scarlet oriole]

that's...

okay how you did it that fast

[crimson veldt]

It being called "birds and bees" is pretty clever, and i was typing for a couple mins while we were talking lol

[scarlet oriole]

you got a really spot on metaphor there

[crimson veldt]

I forgot to type a title lol, it did that on its own, crazy AI

[scarlet oriole]

Ai being Ai after all

filling anything that empty like water

[white swan]

Hello fellow people

[white swan]

Hes so hot

[crimson veldt]

Her name is Gwendolen, and ty

she has thumbs

[scarlet oriole]

i have hitchhiker thumbs

[crimson veldt]

whats that?

[crimson veldt]

See her thumb

and oh, im double jointed on my right thumb

[scarlet oriole]

🤝

i generally have flexible fingers

so yeah

[white swan]

Damn, the red part of your hand is so hot

this one

[scarlet oriole]

they were a goddamn cat bite

i still have it

shit bit me pretty deep

[crimson veldt]

my cat dont bite, shes chill

she dont like other cats tho

[white swan]

Sorry to scare you but injuries like this dont heal, but oh well its a hot scar.

[scarlet oriole]

my right arm is full of them

[white swan]

O_O

[scarlet oriole]

i don't consider them hot but, they were pretty deep bite scars

[scarlet oriole]

must be nice to have her

i don't consider myself lucky with cats

[crimson veldt]

my cats like a companion

[scarlet oriole]

ah...

one of my dream

[crimson veldt]

how old is yours?

[scarlet oriole]

bird?

less than a year

[crimson veldt]

the one biting you

[scarlet oriole]

idk

3 ish as far as i can remember

the cat is pretty aggressive male, it's an orange one

[scarlet oriole]

ah

boi is cookin again

[austere tree]

First time trying Udio for lofi track, used to do them in SUno but i like the result https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kwz7DPoHL0&ab_channel=AlgoRhythmsMusic Quite cool LoFi track

[crimson veldt]

Cat Scratch Fever lmao

so metal

[scarlet oriole]

yep

it's rock tho

[crimson veldt]

Intense Symphonic Rock, yes

[scarlet oriole]

like from 1960

the vibe

[crimson veldt]

The genre never fails

[austere tree]

I did add some background cassette tape sounds

[scarlet oriole]

QUE CABRON?

[scarlet oriole]

yep

[scarlet oriole]

i suggest you to fix the image ratio, it's better that way in my opinion

i like the lofi beat btw

[austere tree]

Yeah i am a bit lazy with images, lways have a hard time generating and using them 😭 will have to improve that for sure

[austere tree]

Thanks, i am quite happy with it yeah

[crimson veldt]

make sure to set the image size, you can do short vids too

[scarlet oriole]

use the proper size ratio lah, i don't want your eyes get sick

[crimson veldt]

i made a lyric video with AI clips i generated

[austere tree]

WHat is best ratio to use ?

[scarlet oriole]

16:9

[austere tree]

cool 😉

[scarlet oriole]

yep

[scarlet oriole]

btw what image generation Ai you use?

[crimson veldt]

genmo

[scarlet oriole]

what the... what Ai platform is this?

genmo?

what's genmo?

[crimson veldt]

Genmo for AI clips

[scarlet oriole]

oh

ok...

is that nu metal or rock?

the song genre?

[crimson veldt]

Thats ones just Heavy Metal

[scarlet oriole]

i see

[crimson veldt]

I usually do Garage Rock, Acid Rock, Psychedelic Rock, Psychedelic Funk, Progressive Rock, Jazz Fusion, Jazz Funk, Heavy Metal, Fresh Metal, Neo-Psychedelia, and Intense Symphonic Rock

[scarlet oriole]

that's a whole thing to research about

[crimson veldt]

I need to head out so ill talk with you later man

[scarlet oriole]

ok

[crimson thunder]

Yes you can #💬┃general-chat message

[crimson thunder]

@hollow bay

[steep heart]

https://youtu.be/cucfZELQQyU?si=8u6S0zOo5M291aNu

[white swan]

I wanted to ask you something

Do you like money?

[scarlet oriole]

Yes

[crimson thunder]

Tor and VPNs are only so good for privacy. It's incredibly difficult to be both online and private at the same time, because so many companies sell each others data to each other and the government(s). Even with Tor your traffic is restricted to commercially owned ISPs, so they can be tracked down. Several stories have been published about how hackers using Tor were caught simply because of how the used Tor. You're also forgetting that the US Government most definitely has Tor Exit nodes of their own, if not other Tor Nodes for the sole purpose of thwarting privacy from criminals. This undoubtedly thwarts your own privacy as an innocent citizen. VPNS are also only so good. you can get good VPNS, yes, but you have to trust whomever owns that VPN to not keep logs, and even if they don't keep logs, the ISPs that provide them with connectivity do keep logs.

[vale lake]

lol @ udio removing the ability to choose custom styles

now their dumb llm wrecks it

presumably their overtrained model was able to recreate incriminating training data

bc it's overtrained

[late crown]

lol

Where did you hear or see that @vale lake ?

[vale lake]

unless it's just a bug

The toggle is gone

[late crown]

😮

[vale lake]

just noticed it

like, 5 minutes ago

[pure raptor]

What happened to the profiles? Why the profiles's names of people just disappeared?

[vale lake]

I was making navajo Mongolian throat singing blues

[late crown]

that's a #🪲┃bugs-web question.. Idk

[vale lake]

and suddenly, that became impossible

[late crown]

YOU BROKE IT 😹

[rough hill]

can we have an udio diss channel

[late crown]

Nah.. why?

No need to diss..

[rough hill]

jk

[late crown]

😉

[quasi apex]

@vale lake You can still use manual mode, I can dm you the how to if you want

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/s5VB1Ncjq8K6kUHHVowwa1

[grim idol]

I bet the lack of manual mode is just a bug. Manual mode prompts are the ones that don't sound like a typical music (or sometimes music at all)

[vale lake]

I am just not super satisfied with udio, it's HARD to make it get a good non-pop progression

it does indie pop well

but not much else

[vale lake]

OK 👌

bc the Mongolian throat singing

is something I wanted

and Suno actually doesn't do

[hoary wind]

tbh I'm mainly using Udio to make weird stuff, occasionally I try to make some instrumentals but it is very rigid once it decides what it's going to make - very hard to make it suddenly go in a different direction or bend it to be a different genre.

[graceful atlas]

Udio makes a mean 30s but after that it forgets what happened in the first 30s. Hard to make a competent song when it'll sing the chorus completely different each time

[vale lake]

that's my biggest annoyance, you can't maintain the voice through any sort of instrumental progression

it's absurd

so far to me it's an awesome technical demo

of what I have ot look forward to

with music2mysic

[graceful atlas]

The sound is so much better though, but at least for now Suno is still better. I've had Suno remember a flute whistle from part 1 in part 3 and incorporate it into a guitar solo, super cool

[vale lake]

yea, the sound is amazing

and the vocals, when they read right, are great

[graceful atlas]

yeah definitely, they sound very real.

[white swan]

The goat is talking

[hoary wind]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-gif-22057358

[maiden hornet]

@twilit summit hypeddit says:

Growing your fans and followers with Hypeddit is really easy. There are just two steps in the process. First, share your music with the world using any of our smart links, pre-saves or gates. Second, promote your music to get it heard by more listeners. And that’s it!

sounds kinda vague, or i'm just too stupid

"share your music with the world" and "promote your music" sounds almost like synonyms, and none of this sounds easy lol

what if I don't have any social media accounts/etc. to share it in? Did you set up yours first?

[twilit summit]

take a look there its tutrials, it works, need to go now but feel free to reach out to me tomorrow

[tropic pasture]

Technical issues Fixed: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vZafS4J9t4s

[vale lake]

as a general rule, imo, don't pay anyone who is a promoter. If it were that simple, then everyone would just quit their day job, you know? That's just my two cents having seen a lot of people fall for vanity publishers in that business.

in general these days almost ant art can be done for almost no investment

beyond time

If you're in it to "get famous" then you're better off being born into a famous family. Just go ahead and DONT reroll, I have bad sense of humor, don't mind me.

This is in response to the posting of promotion sites

which are different than music distributors

Also, if these sites are bringing bots, you will likely be deplatformed by distrokid etc

[cloud pewter]

Hey! Am I aloud to send a song I made?

[odd hazel]

uhhh pls do not just go ahead and reroll, everybody 😬

[vale lake]

I was wondering if anyone would catch that 😄

[odd hazel]

pretty sure that's against discord's TOS 😛

[vale lake]

uhoh!

ediiited

but in any case, my main point was, there are a lot of scams surrounding promoting music streams that use botting, and obviously people do fall for them or else, like, they wouldn't exist

I don't know if this is that, but just in general, my two cents since were off-topic

and I saw a few posts of that nature

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/mother-happy-evil-gif-21445218

😉

[misty ledge]

Was told not to gatekeep when I found.

[maiden hornet]

re promotion, found this thing called Groover whose business model sounds pretty interesting: you pay money to send your tracks to people with coverage. Don't know if it'll work for me, will keep everyone posted, feel free to try it out too: https://groover.co/band/referral/2-VOVA-673B9/ (full disclosure, this is a referral link)

kind of like this.

but it's quite pricey, around $1/contact 😦

$2 actually

let's see how they react to "AI music" because so far the response on Reddit has been negative, to say the list. "Get out of here with this AI-generated bullshit" is an actual quote (and of course I doubt the person listened to the song)

[swift hedge]

https://youtu.be/330VQvySAP8

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/euGWyQxzsTvSQwFaRxwAQE

[vale lake]

it's not all bad. There are trolls for sure, but keep in mind this is a heavily botted arena.

Like, there is a strong national interest in promoting a broad mistrust of AI in the west, just sayin. A qualitative edge in AI changes the script on what was considerd inevitable in terms of power dynamics. So as odd as it sounds, it makes perfect sense for any AI forums etc to be targeted.

And I'm of the opinion that if a vulnerability or an angle exists, someone is already manipulating it.

I have yet to meet someone IRL who has strong feelings about AI

except other enthusiasts

[terse pilot]

Does someone know the game SQUAD??

I made an fuggin Intro for our Squad. Every time our chopper lands in the mission we play it and its fuggin epic
https://suno.com/song/0f09c0e0-34dd-458a-b7e4-a8ec3973a4cf

Thats so cool man

i love ai for that

[hoary wind]

Apparently Udio's "manual" mode will be coming back and its omission is a bug - but it's been suggested that in Udio people were able to use manual mode to get famous voices (Michael Jackson for example.) This is speculation, though I did wonder about this possibility earlier.

[fallow turret]

omggg

i made a stupid song called "i keep buying pens and then losing them"

in the song the pens are neon

I'm not even kidding

Leaving me in a neon-night blight
what does this even mean

let's go

[sonic iron]

Suno should make something that tell you what word is censoring the song

I can’t be the only one with trouble finding the bad word in a song half the time

[hoary wind]

How about...

[hoary wind]

General advice I've seen is to paste the lyrics into ChatGPT and ask something like "can you tell me what might be bad about these lyrics?"

But it would be nice if Suno did this automatically and gave the answer instead of the generic moderation error.

[sonic iron]

Thank you, that’s a great idea

[sonic iron]

Turned out devil was a no no word so I changed it to demon

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/elvis-elvis-presley-gif-20619999

[fallow turret]

the devil is in all of us

the neon devil

[rain fjord]

"Hi, how should I make sure that the song I'm creating has music at the beginning and end without the song starting and ending abruptly?"

[fallow turret]

[Instrumental Intro] [Instrumental Outro]

also good ol [End]

https://suno.com/song/ee4d2ec8-9576-43d9-8e9e-83385e845492

[austere tree]

So if you want to see final work, i removed some glitch here and there, added some crazy laugh and removed voices at some places https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVo6n6Q1K8s&ab_channel=AlgoRhythmsMusic it's a song about Harley Quinn and her madness 😉 let me know what you think i went crazy with video too 😉
YouTube

[cyan bay]

god video Ai is still the worst and likely never will be good enough

[rough hill]

that is 3D model AI, and I agree video AI still isn't where it needs to be, but 3 months ago music AI wasn't where it needed to be

and here we are

[steep heart]

https://youtu.be/SAjSITxdc8g?si=X5FZVatXzJ2gqp-5

[rough hill]

new stable diffusion 3 stuff, kinda fancy

[minor oriole]

/https://suno.com/song/ee4d2ec8-9576-43d9-8e9e-83385e845492

https://tenor.com/6xS8.gif

https://tenor.com/9MwY.gif

[swift hedge]

https://youtu.be/330VQvySAP8

[dusky bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-insane-cat-crazy-cat-tweaking-gif-3749357198658649145

Trying to get a, bear with me, flamenco glitch hop spanish song about alchemical principles, to drop into a dub/drum'n'bass tktktk craziness with arabic folk singing that is not a prayer.

BUT does mention divinity (as above, so below, ajajaja)

(off topic because udio teehee)

[forest egret]

cool Hi STrider

[rough hill]

yo

ok so what do you understand about AI so far

[forest egret]

ok so, i Generate a lot of Songs, almost Burned 50k just make one song: so just make sure i have little bit understanding how it works, maybe ?^^

[rough hill]

ye that's a lot lol

how long is the song lmao

[forest egret]

i try to make 1 epic song for a cpmany so yeah

first 20k was just waste because i started with wrong Song structure

[rough hill]

so you're trying to figure out how to make this more efficient?

or is it more curiosity

or both

[forest egret]

i put in [Verse] and [Chorus] instead of [verse1] [verse2] 😄

i try to make it more efficient, yes

[rough hill]

one funny thing is that if you put [outro] in it automatically turns the picture to a bird

idk why

[forest egret]

lol hahaha

also a big thing is timing, you cant put a tact into specific time like 10 or 20 seconds, the rythm is sometimes between them.

[rough hill]

so the best way that I think I could explain generative AI, and I guess the "seed" is that the music is constantly being randomized based off of hwo it was trained

[forest egret]

the machine is nod good putting sogs together and know how to cut, i created many songs and they have all little cracks in between, but maybe its my fault with the wrong structure

[rough hill]

which means that from the very start of the song, everything is random, it's because of the way it tweaks the randomness that you end up with great music

[forest egret]

so yeah back to topic. and the voices are used in a song, are blocked for further use ? so u cant get the same voice over and over again, but its regenativ right ?

[rough hill]

the voice is random

lets say 15 seconds into a song, the singing starts

if I continue from 10 seconds, the voice could be entirely different

[forest egret]

yeah ok

[rough hill]

however if I continue from 17 seconds, the voice will be the same

this is because generative AI uses previous context, to predict further output

[forest egret]

there is no pool where KI is picking like burger patties, Voice A to instrument B2 or something, its all generativ

[rough hill]

exactly

[forest egret]

wow thats huge

the vocies not exist before

[rough hill]

the voice on one song is entirely unique

[forest egret]

yeah exact thats what i was asking

[rough hill]

because it is comprised of the data of everything

[forest egret]

my head is making saltos

wait xD

[rough hill]

lol

so basically, when you make a song, the beginning is random, but it will affect the way the rest of the song gets generated, which means if you get a good intro, you could just continue from that every time

like if the first 5 seconds are promising

just continue from 0:02

[forest egret]

the thing is, i have some good really uniqe voices in my library, so in my understanding they are blocked ( i know ) because when i create new songs this vocies never come, not even close. i thought when i delet the unique songs from my library i have some hope to generate this unique voices again just with another beat ? i know its littlebit confused

[grim idol]

Voices tend to be kind of generic in my experience until you really start stretching the style prompts

[forest egret]

Hey hi, thanks joining this 😄

[rough hill]

yes ^ some styles will have more deterministic voice sets than others

[grim idol]

Also just one extra bit, when you continue from a time early in a clip, like 00:03, then the style prompt is very strong relative to the audio itself. So you can for example turn k-pop into polka music. But if you continue from 01:00 then probably it stays as k-pop.

[forest egret]

ok ok.

[wise zealot]

so this is where the mods been hiding

[forest egret]

😄

[grim idol]

However you can still reproduce the 'early clip' continue time (btw continue = Extend, old name whoops) by using two clips. Pick the time you want to change the music and Extend From that time. This create one clip you can use as the new "00:00" and then Extend that clip from00:03, and then the style prompt is just as strong as that first 00:03 continue. BOOM k-pop now turns into polka.

[forest egret]

i tried to start sometimes from 00:01 to catch the song but with new [verse1] but it dosent work this way.

[grim idol]

After you change things though, you will want to do "Get whole Song" to put all the pieces back together, or else the song will not have the memory of any of the earlier cips and just not sound consistent. So when not changing things, that is better.

[rough hill]

this makes so much sense, i don't know why i hadn't noticed

I tried to change a genre 2 minutes in, it wasn't the best

[grim idol]

https://suno.com/song/a2c3839a-1e38-4e72-abf8-7057ef5fd0f9 It does mess up the lines of lyrics when you jump around so quick like this. The AI gets confused and skips ahead or repeats quite often. But shows the genre shifts in the music at least.

[forest egret]

hehe

ok thanks guys i'm satisfied really helped me

[chilly fox]

In before someone makes a blender of a song going through 3 dozen genres every 5 seconds

[forest egret]

yeah i tried a lot of 00:01, 00:02 etc up to full song to find best 🥴

[dusky bluff]

This is very important ! For instance, on the song I'm working on, I've been very careful to make sure hints of how I want things to go down the lines are here. I'm ending on a jungle/dnd type beat after something pretty chill and trip hop adjacent. I made sure to keep gens with soft but fast paced jazz snares, yet it's very hard to obtain the exact sound I intended all along after 3.22 of context !

[rough hill]

exactly, it's a problem i hadn't really considered until now, i'm sure it can be fixed if they change the weight of context on continuation if genre switches, but it's something to be aware of

[strange tinsel]

Guys, I made in simple editor song, and worked on lyrics, but I can't really replicate the original style, is there any way?

[forest egret]

all i understand is the right time, but before you need to build the right way to make space to add extension, and then just generate till you find the right motion of the first song

if its not catching, maybe try shorten some sentence, thath helped me a lot. i become almost a songwriter ^^

[forest egret]

how did you build your song ? [ vers1] [verse2] or [ vers1] [chorus] ?

it also help to make [break] after [verse2] to have enough space when add [chorus] part.

also maybe ["instrument"Intro] in [Chorus] part to make it better when it comes together

its no " must have" but in some cases it can help

you have a bunch of tags in suno wikki it help you i'm sure: https://www.suno.wiki/

[grim idol]

I've been using [refrain] instead of chorus a lot recently

[forest egret]

good to know, thanks.

[forest egret]

and i can higly recommend watching the turorial 3Daizy made on youtube, its pinned in the " general" channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj8utBd_IUM

[strange tinsel]

Thanks a lot guys

And yes, I use Verses and Chorus tags, it makes it easier

Although sometimes it tries to finish verse to early against it's usual rhythm

I posted in showcase my results so far

[rough hill]

i didn't even notice the showcase channel, it'd be cool if we did a daily genre type thing

[strange gorge]

Sure is a thing that Udio removed Manual Mode, dunno why they did it but that kinda totally kills it for me. Rip~

[strange gorge]

Guess it's a bug

[west hull]

Chad suno team works 26 hours a day
beta udio fumbles features

[strange gorge]

very much yeah

[graceful swan]

welp too bad.. I actually wanted to check udio again after my suno credits are getting low and test some stuff.. but alas if manual mode is bugged no use in rolling a dice on each gen

[hoary wind]

Its removal was "not intentional."
There was some discussion about people allegedly being able to get famous singer voices by using it.
And they haven't bothered putting it back yet 🤔

Two examples from the Udio discord where someone prompted for Michael Jackson:

https://www.udio.com/songs/mvFGygfaT4TQHapKr2yoPE

https://www.udio.com/songs/71FiyBn32v4RjBVn2VDX3M

[median lotus]

1/10 how hard does it hit https://suno.com/song/5e6851de-36d3-4942-92dc-2a231e5d7e78

[maiden hornet]

won't rate is it's not really my genre, but I think you could achieve a lot by cutting at certain points and re-generating from there. E.g. the chord change at "bold" (0:11-0:12) sounds a bit out of place.

I created a discord server specifically for heavy generative music, feel free to join. Would also love to have some mods as I don't really know how any of this is done: https://discord.gg/yFftBNUQ

We can listen to each other's work, share suggestions on songwriting & promotion, etc.

[vale lake]

I hate to be a sucker with "brand" loyalty, but the Suno team has so much love for music imo it really show

[vale lake]

Yea, I mean, it's not even hard, within moments of using it I could get nothing but Ben Gibbard over and over. If you apply any powerful prompting technique to it, even just basic adjective chanining or whatever it's output begins to converge to distinct, recognizable singers

Suno makes voices that really don't sound like anyone I recognize from the respective genre

[vale lake]

hmm, it opens in chorus voice you'll notice. It's not something everyone cares about, but it's worth avoiding. You want to open with as much clarity as possible

[clear kayak]

I do give the benefit of doubt and think the Udio manual disabling is just a temporary maintenance thing, especially since the sites been having other glitch problems today, that being said I do expect some prompt phrasing nerfs soon (no more “in the style of” exploit)

[graceful swan]

@vale lake seems like 'anime xyz' just makes almost everything a female voice no luck so far creating other interesting voices. But female ones seem to be promising because there it actually does something to the voice. Wonder what happens if you stack 'anime' in different ways 🤔

[civic kestrel]

@past verge Thank you for the inspiration 😁

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis https://www.udio.com/songs/v7bkiJXHxyvn2tVgRhmoNS

[past verge]

udio ?

[civic kestrel]

Yeah its another music AI

[past verge]

ah, you allowed to post that here? sounds nice though .. just a bbit too slow paced

[civic kestrel]

I think so unless they implemented a new rule

[past verge]

they have a larger text limit ?

[civic kestrel]

I dont think so no

The gens there are 33 seconds each

[past verge]

seeing how there is a word that 189,819 letters long :p

it takes 2 to 3 1/2 hours to pronounce 😛

https://suno.com/song/36154495-ac49-419f-92b3-d2aa6d4238c4

[vale lake]

wait a sec, I recognize that pic, is this one of their devs?

he was in here in off-topic when Uno launched

he didn't say anything about being involved, but I can't find his messages anymore

[stark quiver]

At moment Udio is broken down into 33 second pieces with a max song length of 4m 22 secs. Not long enough lol

[past verge]

well dang

[stark quiver]

But it's free for now

[past verge]

for now 😦

[stark quiver]

Oh I'm sure it will have the same or similar price plan to Suno. It just lacking alot of Suno features but I think the sound quality with Udio is slightly better but that just my opinion. I will still use both.

[civic kestrel]

Vito is a community leader in Udio just like me, not a dev

[vale lake]

ah I see, I just didn't realize

[hoary wind]

The community leaders were added after launch.

[civic kestrel]

Yeap so he wasnt a CL at the time

[umbral wadi]

So does anyone know of a Sonoteller alternative? As a non-programmer I have zero interest in trying to use the API and bitterly resent the restrictions aimed at manipulating me into trying to set it up.

[eager warren]

https://suno.com/song/3c7f6b64-bb01-48be-a4cf-0e599cc9b3fc

[austere tree]

It was impossible to generate in Udio, moderator because it's a ''cover''

[primal herald]

Composer une chanson pop sur les frites

[normal scarab]

https://suno.com/song/7dd2e94a-2bfa-4e07-924d-d73162f35bf3

[rose magnet]

@frank panther you're a game dev? (and sorry for @ing you)

[frank panther]

Not really..., but I use Unity for various projects...

[rose magnet]

Ahhh

[hollow phoenix]

Where is the pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis song?

[past verge]

https://suno.com/song/36154495-ac49-419f-92b3-d2aa6d4238c4

ya meant this one ?

[hollow phoenix]

I am joking in that we need a song for the longest english word haha

[past verge]

i´m not

[past verge]

also i posted the wrong link :p

think i deleted it

[languid marlin]

Wonder who is the Oatmeal alt???

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[tropic pasture]

Latest track on my Hip Hop fusion album is about science https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O1u0wJstx9k

[hollow phoenix]

I give up on getting it to sing the last chorus properly
https://suno.com/song/bb2c6acb-f9e6-439e-a016-b5efa9e7cc24

[mighty plinth]

Guys, How use this is ?I very bad understand English)

[frank panther]

it is in English (sorry)
https://www.suno.wiki/faq/getting-started/

there are many Language Channels here: https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1154772025940922438

[fallow turret]

write prompt in English, append "lyrics are in japanese": writes a song in japanese with the genre I specified
Write prompt in japanese: writes a song in japanese, completely ignores my genre and makes it generic jpop

Fascinating

Maybe it's weighing the fact that my prompt is in japanese to decide how it wants to interpret the genre?

I've generated 10+ songs of each scenario and consistently get those results

[dry creek]

decided to check out Udio again... do you make you do a Captcha EVERY TIME you generate now?!

goofy

[noble basin]

I'm not getting that. But some people might be scripting them, and you are getting caught up in whatever defence they've thrown up. Maybe you are from same country as some script attacks for example

[dry creek]

maybe my VPN is causing it? ill try another one to see

after this gen finishes... who knows how long thatll be tho lol

3 generations in a row made me do one

all the songs are terrible too lmao

[hoary wind]

I was able to try a few and then kept getting asked to select what looked most like a duck, burger, cat etc. every time.

Probably didn't help that I was trying to break the prompt with random symbols. It doesn't like certain symbols or emojis.

[dry creek]

yeah i kept getting the duck one

[hoary wind]

Also amusingly I typed "Don't modify this prompt" and nothing else, and it generated 2 warnings about using known artists names, one being Adele.

Always funny when the AI self moderates

[elfin summit]

no premium?

you have to get your self a premium to extent more than minute

[elfin lark]

well, i don't have enough money to pay for premium

[hoary wind]

For Suno? You don't have to be subscribed to extend a song.

[frank panther]

all subscription tiers can make longer songs... Free, Pro, Premium.
https://www.suno.wiki/faq/making-music/how-do-i-make-the-song-longer/

[civic kestrel]

https://www.udio.com/songs/v7bkiJXHxyvn2tVgRhmoNS

[runic depot]

false alarm udio's manual tags are back

[olive mortar]

https://suno.com/song/7ebcb946-c270-4816-811a-ad0435acb4b9

03:36 mins

[cosmic nacelle]

Oh no. Did about 20 gens of a song. Now getting moderated because it has the S word. Aaaand… cancelling my subscription. Sorry, I don’t want my art censored.

[runic depot]

HAHAHAHA FALSE FALSE NON-ALARM
MANUAL MODE IS ACTUALLY A STRAIGHT UP LIE NOW

@hoary wind the toggle for manual mode is back. It does nothing. Your prompts still get changed into auto-prompts the same way.

[charred spruce]

what's the s word?...

[west hull]

Hi

[hoary wind]

Placebo manual? 😄

Soooo what's it meant to do now?

[runic depot]

... it's meant to lie to me personally and make me believe for a good 30 seconds that I was being silly for dooming?

that's the best answer I've got

[west hull]

https://napster-drx.vercel.app/box/f73b3f47-cfe2-4af8-8b74-071423d8208c

[hoary wind]

What is this?

[west hull]

Music streaming website

[late crown]

please no double posting...

[austere tree]

You mean between channels ? Everyone seems to post everywhere but got it 😉

[late crown]

And we are trying to avoid that really hard...

@olive mortar @foggy basin please do not post in 2 chat channels.. you can post it in #🐣┃suno-showcase and in either general or here... but do not double post beyond that

[foggy basin]

Of course. Sorry, new to the channel. Just wanted to share my work 😁

[late crown]

Every one feels the same.. but we don't want it to become annoying.. thanks for your understanding 🌼 \

[sturdy mirage]

Hello! It’s great that you’ve subscribed to the Pro version of Suno and created a remix of a Suno-generated track. Protecting your remix is essential, especially if you want to safeguard it on platforms like Soundreef or with record labels.

[hoary wind]

What's this about?

[gaunt skiff]

Sounds like a bot xD

[umbral wadi]

Looks like spam.

[umbral wadi]

Can I help you?

[sturdy mirage]

I would like to know if it is possible to save the song on a record label.

[umbral wadi]

Art thou a human being or art thou naught but a bot?

Hast thou a paid subscription?

[sturdy mirage]

I am a human being

[blissful canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/strelok-stalker-gif-23354558

[umbral wadi]

Do you have a paid subscription?

[sturdy mirage]

Yes I have a subscription to the pro version

[umbral wadi]

See: https://suno-ai.notion.site/FAQs-b72601b96de44e5cacd2cd6baa985448

[sturdy mirage]

Since I'm a subscriber, all the songs I've made with suno.com can be used for commercial use, ..when the subscription expires, the previously created songs are protected, right?

[umbral wadi]

It's in the FAQ.

(Yes.)

[sturdy mirage]

thanks the hepcat

[willow carbon]

Last day to vote for Suno in The Webbys Awards!! 🌸

Suno - Best Home Page: https://wbby.co/40291N

[dusty patrol]

Accidently made depatch mode song on udio https://www.udio.com/songs/aFpH18JqLgJt3A5LY1Bw9i

[dusty patrol]

@ebon flax but keep in mind udio came out 8 days ago so actualy conparing it to suno is unfair so why did i want to do it in the beginning

[ebon flax]

yeah that is definitely true!

[ebon flax]

they are both very good!!!

[dusty patrol]

True lets just keep it there and end this stupid useless debate

[ebon flax]

i'm not even debating :), i have an Udio account also

[dusty patrol]

Okay so i mean i guess maybe actualy you can try to make a good song via udio

[ebon flax]

For sure, the main thing that makes it hard atm, imo, is you cant set where it extends from

[dusty patrol]

Yea but i guess it abjusts when extending idk let me try with that song maybe it will get better

Lets see if it gets better when it finishes generating

[ebon flax]

the song you posted above is good!! i do like it actually, especially the more I listen 😆

https://www.udio.com/songs/16zfA4Q2faoe7trswwhwFR

[dusty patrol]

Thats Actualy a good song

[ebon flax]

i wasn't sure haha, but i know the sound is pretty cool in parts

from about 1:37-1:47 you can feel the Udio-ness, it goes a bit random on that part

[dusty patrol]

Okay so udio is so crappy on phone so i don’t know if ill be able to extend it

Omg finaly it lets me extend

[ebon flax]

honestly before i didnt mean to come off so critical, the song you posted sounds nice - I dont want you to get the wrong impression 😛

[dusty patrol]

Now its waitting time

[ebon flax]

when i said "there is only one answer here" for which is better, im just being silly haha (because this is the Suno discord)

[dusty patrol]

Na idc its your opnion

I mean for the length its generates it takes long

[ebon flax]

yea, i guess the servers are super busy

im sure that'll improve over time

[dusty patrol]

Maybe or it just because of the quality

Idk wich one to like more so ill post them both here https://www.udio.com/songs/2iqLvWcnfN3JERZuCimbmK

https://www.udio.com/songs/sqe7fx3xDtg2dRqFVWevsF

[ebon flax]

(listening to both now)

(at the same time)

(jks)

[dusty patrol]

Lmao

[ebon flax]

they're the same track twice I think haha

[dusty patrol]

Na its abit diffirent i think

Ohw wait there both the v2 lmao

[ebon flax]

ahhh one sec

yea, thats what i thought

lol

this is a good track!!! lol, i like the vibe of it

your lyrics are good too btw, nice to see non-ai lyrics!

[dusty patrol]

Its auto lyrics though

[ebon flax]

ooh damn, Udio's auto lyrics aren't too bad then haha

[dusty patrol]

So i guess udio doesnt use chatgpt like suno does

[ebon flax]

especially the first 4 lines felt totally human to me lol

[ebon flax]

yea, or it uses it with different prompting etc

but you could be right also

[dusty patrol]

Yea maybe i usualy use a ai lyric generator that doenst quite do it like chatgpt but is kinda becuase of that better and it doenst have restrictions so yea

[ebon flax]

i see i see

i never really run into problems with the restrictions haha (on Suno)

i could imagine for ppl writing rap maybe it would come up more

[dusty patrol]

Wel me to but i wanted to make a song about children in my basement and then the ai was like hold up this is against our policy so i used different ai that did allow me to give those lyrics then ran those trough chatgpt to make them alowed to use so it still is like chatgpt but not fully chatgpt

[ebon flax]

ahhh, well i guess it depends on the context

[dusty patrol]

Yea let me find that song quickly

But i gtg so bye

[ebon flax]

tbh those lyrics are quite dark, i'm not surprised it blocked them

[dusty patrol]

Yea actually quite suprised it let the chatgpt version of the lyrics trough

But for real i gtg now so for the second time bye

[umbral wadi]

The posted songs have been removed by moderators after some discussion under rule #2️⃣, as disturbing content.

Please refrain from posting this type of content again on the Discord. Thank you for your understanding.

[tropic pasture]

Love this one https://youtu.be/enqcK4V9ltE

[frozen temple]

Cooking up some clown bops

[fallow turret]

[white swan]

They say its a free country but then they do cencorship

[late crown]

Hello Toyo, it's important to differentiate between censorship and the specific rules of a private community like ours. In a free country, you have the right to express yourself, but** each platform or community, like our Discord server, may set guidelines to ensure interactions remain respectful and suitable for all members**. Our rules are designed not to censor opinions but to prevent harm and ensure that everyone can enjoy a safe, positive environment. When you agreed to join our server, you also agreed to follow these guidelines, which helps keep the community welcoming and constructive for everyone.

[white swan]

Jeez, i was being sarcastic.

[hoary wind]

Sarcasm often doesn't come across well in text form 😄

[frozen temple]

Oh really?

[runic depot]

pi what are you smoking

[frozen temple]

You can just smell all the hard set stuff in there.

[runic depot]

the thing is, there's no such thing as hard-set for an AI. I've gotten Claude and Pi to talk about things that they would 1000% refuse to talk about if I just asked directly, but because it came up in conversation, the context made it seem less of a problem

[frozen temple]

I know, but you can just tell since this has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I bypasss a lot by just adding (for fictional purposes)

[runic depot]

Which is why I'm pretty sure this message here is some weird ass edge case making the anti-sexism filters trigger over nothing

before this, it refused to write me a love song because when I asked for a specific scenario ("make the last line about the protagonist putting his hand on the doorknob knowing his girl is on the other side") it triggered a red flag that I was trying to write fanfiction or some shit

[fallow turret]

Disappointed that suno doesn't know what a kazoo is

[viral delta]

What's the context? Is it happiness? Is it fear? Is something wrong

[runic depot]

The context is that writing a joke about a guy dating his 2D waifu set off a red flag

[fallow turret]

Spice up any song by adding 'trombone-driven' to the lyrics

[runic depot]

That, or the AI has some twitter-level hate for anime and thinks that Miku's whole thing is sexist. But I strongly doubt that--even though it SAYS that the problem is Hatsune Miku being idealized/sexualized/whatever, Pi is a pathological liar

[grim idol]

Do you mean moderator or automod? I see some of your messages that got caught up by Discord's very random auto mod but no moderator related stuff.

Are you referring to non English messages? I'm not sure what your post is about. What is the reason you are afraid to post a message? Oh I see the messages, I don't have any context, I will leave this alone for now as I only have a minute.

I will just say this for now: please feel free to message moderators whenever you need to. That's what we are here for. As for suggestions: I go through the channel myself and look at the most popular and interesting suggestions, even when I do not comment or reply.

[craggy verge]

when i listen to Suno songs for a while and then go back to one of my fav online radio stations - MistyRadio - the human stuff sounds sorta weird! Same thing with electronic and traditional drums...

[frozen temple]

wc

[fallow turret]

Man when I give a genre to suno and it makes the genre "pop" i feel like my credits were wasted

[frozen temple]

suno biased

[fallow turret]

playlists are so buggy

it added every song I made today to my favorite songs playlist

[swift hedge]

new song i made with suno https://youtu.be/JkRHSDyZuUo

[west roost]

guys what should I name my DND characters mother?

[swift hedge]

glidella

[west roost]

good one! thank you

[plucky stirrup]

/imagine prompt

An image that has:

• a person knitting with clothing thread

and the strands of thread come from several colorful spools on a tree

With arms like a stem and hands like leaves, like the sign for a tree in Sign Language.

[jolly summit]

Can thieves unlock and reset an iPhone 14?

[ashen fjord]

If the phone is lockdown, it is only useful for parts (as useful as it can be to a certain extent).

Typically, the thieves would try to convince the original holder to remove the lock down by impersonating as a cop, etc. (getting their apple ID email from the locked device IIRC).

Which you should not do, leave it on lockdown until if and when you get it back.

There should be a few videos about it on YT.

[olive mortar]

https://cdn1.suno.ai/30cf0278-825d-47c0-bc27-4607d25c6b1e.mp4

[cloud pewter]

This song is 5 streams away from 300! “Move to the left - Domb” https://on.soundcloud.com/fo7oZymVmej5HDTNA

Here’s a meme of it to convince you to stream it lol

[modest bear]

Hey... someone here to bother?

[vocal furnace]

Hey guys, what do you think of this song? Still a WIP made using Udio: (almost celine dion sounding): https://www.udio.com/songs/hLSJPKSBdxecJUNsW2oJg7

[marble glacier]

I love breaking AI music generators

[dusty patrol]

@ebon flax i made a good song with udio i think its kinda good for udio at this sate \https://www.udio.com/songs/kpT2AQZQYZ2kgcJtTK1F6p

[ebon flax]

that's genuinely really awesome!! If I heard that in the background of a TV show or something I probably wouldn't even pick it as AI

the vocals at the start are hallucinated right? they work well here 😆

[dusty patrol]

yea

but im class now so yea cant realy typ much

[ebon flax]

sometimes the hallucinated vocals can be really good, they often fit the music super well

[dusty patrol]

yea

[arctic fable]

https://soundcloud.com/jurxmusic/dark-hole

Suno meets, Kits, meets SoundCloud mastering... I'm pleased

[dusty patrol]

i guess only thing to fix is it cutting of at the end

[whole lynx]

Good morning, Suno is amazing. I really like it, even though I can't afford to buy the pro plan at the moment. I faced a problem. I'm rapping and the show says it has to be moderate or something. What can I do?

[white grail]

https://youtu.be/6Ex7RJ1CqZA?si=OREJK-R4Fuqsm-j9

[olive mortar]

https://cdn1.suno.ai/b6d434eb-852a-44e0-8b0e-c136d09bfe03.mp4

This should be enough

[white grail]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLu865Q5aDCJb_o3j7LT52MOrtZd4nyy8P&si=I-hwcsQa7b37JcDP

[frank panther]

Hey Kids!

Just a reminder that we got 'relaxed' GPT censorship in Suno, in exchange for agreeing to use our original lyrics.

Remakes that use copyrighted lyrics may be removed from the server..

(Remakes are not illegal, but require licensing and royalties to the publisher).

[drifting light]

Suno has any crypto?

[hoary wind]

Not sure what you are asking but Suno is not involved with crypto, nor does it accept crypto payments.

[dry creek]

CAPYBARA CAPYBARA

[white grail]

Saw this earlier

[dusty patrol]

Its should be better now its fades out and doesnt cut of https://www.udio.com/songs/3mB2SjPsUSZUqm3SKbuZKu

Also a thing i hate that udio does is the bad song covers

[white grail]

I'm glad I wasn't in that chopper

[hoary wind]

They turned off the automatic album covers to reduce server load soon after it opened - you can actually get it to generate 3 images to choose from if you press the "edit" button and click on the album cover.

[warped ruin]

any girl here who is a cs student

just me ig

[dusty patrol]

okay thanks probaly wont change it since idc and its just about the song not the cover

[white grail]

https://suno.com/song/833af1b1-535d-4590-b019-e5c2937747f7

[white grail]

Wich national anthem has a guitar solo at the end?

[lilac herald]

https://www.udio.com/songs/hj6426UaVCU1TFzrugSnZy
Copypastas and memes are always a gold mine for lyrics

[stable coral]

best meme song

https://suno.com/song/3fef603d-d5c3-4369-b14c-e455f0d91a16

[novel flicker]

Hi guys , I have been using Suno for few months and i still have not idea how songs make it to explore even thought one i made got to number one , what happen when you make a song puplic? i see some views to the song but it is not on explore ,if it is not on explore who is viewing the puplic songs? how does that work , thanks

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/i8TaYdKsEnUHehT7SFbbHP

[umbral wadi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gc4QTqslN4

[late crown]

W00t.. that is a DUTCH comedian.. Andre van Duin

Starts at 1 minute

[orchid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-button-keyboard-press-the-ban-button-gif-16387934

[gaunt skiff]

bird bird bird...bird is the word...bird bird bird

Such profound lyrics. I am deeply moved.

[umbral wadi]

lulz

My favorite bit is when he flaps the arms of his jacket and rubs his lips...

[ebon flax]

the ending is good! the track has a nice vibe to it 🎵

[dusty patrol]

i made soem more il post them here

https://www.udio.com/songs/5vAZ4ByM1ayorRBa7y68Vm https://www.udio.com/songs/8xCEnezJHoqQoPLZQYxckj

[ebon flax]

wow! just started listening to the first one... excellent

[dusty patrol]

then youl like the second one i defently cooked and spend alot of time on it to perfectionate it

i think if somebody didnt know it was ai the would be amazed to know this is ai

[ebon flax]

If Udio locked more into the style at the beginning of that first song it would be even better. That intro section was right on

[dusty patrol]

yea i mean i think i made that intro at the end since thats is possible on udio

[ebon flax]

ahhhh yea, that makes sense

listening to the 2nd one now

[dusty patrol]

okay

[ebon flax]

yea this is good too 👍 , they have nice production and sound

[dusty patrol]

i personally think the second one sounds like artic monkeys abit

[ebon flax]

haha yea, i can hear that i think. I don't know them super well but can hear the sound you mean

[dusty patrol]

yea its like when the leads singer of artic monkeys is not a man anymore but a female but i guess it kinda work

i heavly worked from front to back and then did 2 more generations to the front and then did a outro so it heavly focused on working back from the point it made

but if youl need to pick out of the tree song i made which oen is the best you think

[ebon flax]

thinking

[dusty patrol]

okay take time

[ebon flax]

haha, i think the 1st track, then the 3rd track, then the 2nd track. That said, I like parts of the 2nd track quite a bit, especially the intro

[dusty patrol]

okay i get ya

hahaha someone got hacked and force posted a fishing link

another one

mods!!!!! ban them

[ebon flax]

ahhh i see it now lol

[dusty patrol]

finaly that toke to long

but ima go ofline from discord so yea i wont talk for multiple hours maybe il make a new song if i feel like it

[reef vortex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUB4nJU8BFY

Guys just uploaded my first ever Youtube documentary on Suno and AI music. Make sure to check it out 😄

[fallow turret]

There needs to be a way to slap suno on the wrist when it completely ignores the genre I provided

[river mica]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1c77pr8/microsoft_image_to_video_is_terrifying_real/ ... this time it was microsoft...Just look at it and let that sink in for a while 😉

[lost ice]

https://www.udio.com/songs/2KhT6x3xmi9QfTXJFBxGxp

[gleaming geyser]

Loossemble is a South Korean girl group formed by CTDENM. The group consists of five members: Hyunjin, Yeojin, Vivi, Gowon, and Hyeju. They made their first comeback with the song „Girls' Night" on April 15th.

[eager warren]

https://youtu.be/0nZV3RGYspQ

[sullen warren]

slepp

slepp.ai

suno.ai

[weary abyss]

https://suno.com/song/61bde4ed-b705-4e6e-b1e0-460c50b4ce34

[gentle oasis]

https://suno.com/song/5e609e00-06b6-47b0-abfa-88fbe14d22fd

[west hull]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLh6uayMWoohUV0FwuuzXlQ , Guys if You can Help , Please , Like and Subscribe ! ♥

[acoustic vale]

Feelings just because
https://suno.com/song/efc02c1b-688f-43e7-b3aa-6295ce54dc97

[gentle oasis]

https://suno.com/song/3426b886-62dc-43e5-8bff-487fa6ef4320

[toxic sleet]

create a song

[fossil mesa]

i have only found like 3 other Christian's making suno music... any other Jesus lovers out there making religious works (of any song genre) ?

[fast rivet]

Chirp is retired. Please use https://www.suno.com to make music ✌️

[toxic sleet]

thanks

[lament wraith]

ME WHEN

ME WHEN I FINISHED ANOTHER FULL SONG

english, spanish and brazilian portuguese drill with guitar

https://suno.com/song/247b515e-bbb3-4e25-9891-f715545a83fa

jumpscare

ew

mods

thanks

wait woops i posted it in off topic

[spiral fossil]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4tsjZ668LPCAB6KjoesZZJ

[languid marlin]

Why won't @oatmeal come out and play??

https://suno.com/song/fb26d278-66e7-488d-9e8e-9495d26084c2

[gentle oasis]

https://suno.com/song/d97adf34-76d6-4c37-a81f-d702b2e8e258

[austere tree]

https://www.udio.com/songs/5FDy5M24nDy76Evj51RMu8 opinion?

[swift hedge]

new song i made using suno https://youtu.be/Du4FMj_qO6A

[viral scaffold]

https://suno.com/song/ff11983f-99b5-4518-abf6-84e1f721f1c1

[daring mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qraXNWOzD8s Uploaded a few udio songs on youtube combined with midjourney images for the videos

[honest sparrow]

i tried voicemod's text to song

and its awful

it makes you pick a random voice they have already recorded, along with a random song they already have

and type in text. its the worst one out there

yet its made by a big company

like bro

[stoic helm]

Guys quick question what would you think could happen if a AI Song gets too popular on spotify?

[umbral wadi]

Are you familar with the story of Milli Vanilli?

Frank Farian did this sort of thing over and over again and no one really cared all that much. But when Milli Vanilli got as big as they did and were winning all the rewards it ticked people off and they were jealous so they destroyed them.

[lyric lance]

death

[daring mountain]

I don't think it will, not because it can't be better but because people want to lore of the person/people/persona behind the music

Then again maybe people would buy it if you somehow connected it to a some type of virtual influencer

[stoic helm]

ok so hypothetically if i made a kpop song and it magically were to reach the top how likely would i get murdered?

[hoary wind]

Probably about the same chances as if you didn't, I'd guess.

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/blame-it-on-the-rain-milli-vanilli-weather-plans-rained-out-gif-12833602

[frank panther]

Boney M were just hired dancers too, but they didn't win a Grammy

[craggy verge]

well at least the partridge family were honest about it! 😜

partridge whaaaa? i hear you all say...

[storm berry]

Posting here because I don't want to break any rules on general, but I'm looking for someone skilled in audio mastering who can give me a detailed tutorial on how to improve the quality of Suno's songs to make them professional, with attention to the vocals as well.

Of course, I'll pay for this, and we can discuss the details in dm

[quasi apex]

There's not much you can do without actual stems

There are tools that make pseudo stems by splitting the audio file but the (poor) quality is baked in already. You can do some basic mixing and mastering, or add new instruments or effects.

[storm berry]

Really? I've read about people on general who have a whole routine before they release songs with DistroKid😂 I'm a total noob when it comes to audio stuff, unfortunately

[craggy verge]

I suggest you try out Reaper, learn how to import your track. Reaper has a very active forum and I'm sure its participants would help with the basics.

[quasi apex]

Yes I have that routine as well, and you can improve things to a degree, but you will not be getting full studio quality stuff out of this in its current state.

Not trying to discourage you, you absolutely should try, just want to set some reasonable expectations for you 🙂

[craggy verge]

It's true though, that without real stems, it's more challenging... still, you can patch it up somewhat

[austere tree]

Ok post-prod done, quite happy with tht https://youtu.be/TRPZlKS3bo8

[storm berry]

@craggy verge Thanks for the tip, I'll definitely check it out! @quasi apex No worries bro, you're not discouraging me at all, I kind of knew I couldn't aim for that level of quality, which is why I'd still be happy just to make them more professional and tidy them up a bit

[quasi apex]

The best thing you can do imo is not focus on traditional mixing, because that's what's very limited. Something you can do to add that level of professional touch is thing like automating effects, layering vocals where appropriate, splicing and moving things around, fading, all that. But stuff like EQ, compression, etc that's going to get very frustrating.

[craggy verge]

Reaper's ReaXcomp, ReaEQ and a good limiter can do wonders. YOu can even get most of these as a separate free download for use in another compatible DAW.

[quasi apex]

Or even better, add some original stuff to it, like layer on a guitar solo somewhere or something

[craggy verge]

yeah it would be fun to get it to blend...

i'm so lazy these days... i hate setting up mics and stuff. so i just do midi... even that's gettting to be too much... so i came here..

[quasi apex]

ha I hear you, I'm a pianist at heart so it's "midi everything from my keyboard all day every day"

[craggy verge]

sometimes it's nice just to play a freakin instrument and let your own emotions flow... you don't really get this with computer music... i was just playing the piano after serveral weeks' absence...

[hoary wind]

Stem splitting allows you to do some basic mixing and apply some effects to stuff (e.g. I often like a little reverb on higher frequency parts of the percussion, or some effects on vocals)

You can also put the vocals through an AI voice swap (I find patching it up with my own voice as input can help correct things it mishears)

[craggy verge]

what is an AI voice swap?

[slate iron]

There's no direct translation from emotions to music, it's emotions to skill to music that needs to happen. With no skill those emotions cannot make it into the music making phase

[hoary wind]

And I try to transcribe what I can hear into midi

[craggy verge]

yes sir!

[slate iron]

So if you have no skill, computer music is easier

[hoary wind]

Things like audimee

[craggy verge]

oh i hear you, and i guess i agree... Suno or FLStudio can be very liberating for some folks..

[hoary wind]

Carries across the general vocal feel but gives a clearer voice

[craggy verge]

i'll check it out..

[slate iron]

You have to train a lot to be good at music making, and only those who have the time can do it. I did so with FLStudio and made some music, but I would be lying if I said that it didn't take days if not months to get the results I wanted

[quasi apex]

Hm that raises interesting questions about art though. If I am feeling angry and I just sit down and bang out random shit on my piano in fortissimo, is that music? If I as the producer feel I adequately expressed my emotions, despite having devoted no "skill" to the task?

[craggy verge]

it takes me 4ever to do a song on midi DAWS, and still they fall short... way short of what I want

[storm berry]

I've tried, but sadly the vocals get distorted in some parts and I don't know how to fix them. If possible, that's something I'd also like to learn ahah

[slate iron]

Well, if other people find it pleasing to hear, or yourself hearing it brings you emotions and it keeps you hearing it again, then I guess you can call it music.

[craggy verge]

that's probably harder but not out of the question

[slate iron]

Otherwise it's noise

[quasi apex]

Which is exactly where we're at with AI music, imo.

[craggy verge]

well this whole 'what is music' thing is a philosophical issue i guess

[slate iron]

Not really, you can define it as pleasing sounds that has some structure to it that people enjoy to listen on repeat.

[hoary wind]

Try recording yourself doing the vocals. Do voice swap on this, and separately with the original. Patch the bad parts of the original (after swap) with your vocals (also after swap)

[craggy verge]

by way of analogy, i think some folks didn't like andy warhol's soup cans at first, now they're worth a forture..

[craggy verge]

debatable...

[storm berry]

I thought about that, but unfortunately, I'd need to be able to sing to replicate the parts where the distortion occurs, and let's just say singing is not my strong suit ahah

[craggy verge]

there's a person on the web called "sound eagle" who goes into great depth on this issue... check em out if interested..

[storm berry]

Please read dm

[quasi apex]

You could always use something like synthesizer v to fix the vocals

I mean your vocal, for pitch and whatnot

[slate iron]

So otherwise, no structure can be music....or non-pleasing sounds can be music...or people hear it once and no one ever considered on repeating to hear it again can be music... Now that doesn't sound to me as music simply put

[hoary wind]

It's worth a try just to fix how things are pronounced. I did this with some hip hop and my own vocals are embarrassing! 😆

[craggy verge]

oh cummon... look at the history of classical... innovation was often seen as noise... it sometimes takes time...

[slate iron]

what are you talking about

[craggy verge]

you are saying a certain type of sound and structure constitutes 'music' right? i am questioning that... is all

[storm berry]

Thanks for the suggestion, I'd never heard of that before, i'll definitely try it out

[quasi apex]

I mean, having atonal avant garde, sounds, shoved down my throat constantly was why I dropped out of conservatory. Try convincing those people random sounds are not music 💀

[slate iron]

Not certain type, but pleasing to the ear in one way or another. And no structure to music can be simply ASMR

[umbral wadi]

Exactly! And I don’t need to tell you he was the same guy behind them but I wonder how many other people know how many groups he was behind?

[craggy verge]

but culture and historical location come into play as to what is pleasing

[slate iron]

I don't consider taste as something that contradicts to what I'm saying. People can hear something that they don't like and simply say: "yes it is music, it might be pleasing but it's not my taste". Just like food is food, but different people can find food tasty/not tasty. But we'll all agree that it is food

[craggy verge]

i understand what you're saying but i still think any sound could possibly be construed as music...

[slate iron]

I can't find bands with this genre, I would love to hear it

[slate iron]

Then my fart is music since it is a sound

[craggy verge]

for some it might be... for all we know... your fart might make you a million if you record and it becomes a hit!

[slate iron]

That's why music has to have SOME structure to the sounds to be considered music. Not even a good structure, but something

[craggy verge]

i dunno...

not sure i can agree with you

[hoary wind]

quietly continues trying to prompt with fart noises as a style

[craggy verge]

but you have presented your argument quite well

[slate iron]

It's like saying that shit can be considered food as well, and any object can be considered food as long as you can fit it inside your mouth. No, there must be a destinction between a collection of sounds, and music.

[craggy verge]

that might be a faulty analogy

[hoary wind]

Well, it's food to flies

But definition of music can be difficult

[craggy verge]

this one person i mention (Sound Eagle) asks if non-humans create and (if i remember right) recognize music...

[slate iron]

Well, there are loads of food technically in nature that is not suitable for human consumption, just like there is a range of human hearing, and beyond that we don't hear it unlike other animals.

[craggy verge]

well all i can say is... KEEP ON ROCKIN' IN THE FREE WORLD!

been a good discussion but i gotta split for now

[slate iron]

But music that we know is made FOR PEOPLE, not for flies and not for aliens. So by my definition, music is for people. But sure, we can have alien-music made for aliens, but that would be based on their hearing capabilities. But still, there must be a structure that is made specifically for that animal/alien kind. Music is artificial, we either make it or we find a pattern in nature that we percieve as music (structure is a pattern). And when you deliberatelly avoid a structure in music, that's the new structure you chose to pursue in the music (kind of a paradox) - like the aforementioned atonal avant garde I guess

[slate iron]

Sure no problem. I just like it when every word and concept is defined, I love understanding everything on the deepest level

And that's what I'm always trying to do

There's a vocal pattern which we hear and understand the word behind it. Talking can be perceived as music since we are using our vocals as an instrument, but I think to define music we need the following:
Intention (sound for the sake of sound) - the music is an artificial form of sounds and is meant for pleasing the ear (not for direct communication like words)
Pattern/structure - it must have some pattern that we humans can pick up on (even in chaotic songs we can pickup patters here and there)

That's the purest definition that I have on my mind.

Without pattern it can be ASMR, sound effects, random noise...

And without the intention of it being sounds for the sake of sounds, then the intention can be communication, shouting to scare something or someone, or I dunno what else

Don't know about them, will need a link

Complete silence, I've heard of it. Well, complete silence is not music it's more of a "artistic message sent" I guess, because the purpose of it is not "sound for the sake of sound" I suppose, and obviously there's no pattern/structure

There's a pattern, and it was made for the intention of sound for the sake of sound, so music 👍

[craggy verge]

(i'm back for a while... so...) defining terms can be good but may also put us in a cage of our own design, which may hinder better understanding.

or a maze

Sound Eagle was talking about animals but ETs could come into play here

[slate iron]

On the contrary, my definition while simple is very general and can be applied to many things. It's like laws of nature, we just be better off ACTUALLY understanding the world around us and how it works

So like in laws of nature, if a definition in science is wrong, then we scrap it for a better more accurate one

[craggy verge]

well, if you wish to argue within the limits of your mode of inquiry, that is fine. But I believe there other ways of knowing... or at least, investigating that go beyond mere discursive analysis.

[slate iron]

If art was truly undefinable then AI would've not been able to replicate it. You're perhaps afraid that freedom of expression would be hurt by defining things, while I think if we understand the world around us better with science, that's the only way forward and not be stuck in the past...

[craggy verge]

i am simply saying that when asking questions we need to stay humble and admit uncertainty.

[slate iron]

Admitting uncertainty is the exact way of thinking in science

[craggy verge]

in good science, agreed.

[slate iron]

in true science

[craggy verge]

okay, if you prefer... i usually use terms like good vs weak science or science vs scientism

btw - "If art was truly undefinable then AI would've not been able to replicate it." this very thought provoking... but i'd say AI is trying to create new things from past patterns, along with user prompts in the present.. AI is not creating all that is possibly art.

[slate iron]

But it does create something new...since if a new musician creates a generic yet another pop song that there's nothing new in it, copying other artists, then it's still art right? The AI in that sense creates new material which would be considered art undesputibly if were created by a human. Now, that begs the question, is art all about pattern? Since finding patterns is essencially how this AI works...

[craggy verge]

i don't know enuf about the tech but it seems to use past patterns (in the largest sense of the term) along with, as I said, user prompts in the present. What I do not know is how the developers get the AI to put together its creations. Way beyond me. Only a few can probably understand the "coding," if that's the right term.

[pulsar jackal]

a lot of the mass produced crap i hear is definitely down to the exact formula anyways. Like this modern trash country. It's not surprising it can copy the sound well, it's all based off the same 3 templates.

Such is plenty of mainstream music now

if i give it the task of generating in the style of Israeli psytrance duo (Infected Mushroom), it really makes more original stuff. But less commercial so gets less training on it too. and def not as polished

[white swan]

LBP3 ps4 servers just shut down

[craggy verge]

I guess this question is for believers in God. Do you think God could guide the AI to generate inspired religious lyrics? ⛪

[unreal swan]

you will have to input it , as a Dm and making such things on the fly ive made a theme to tell a story of something akin to a demiurge. but yes it can

[olive mortar]

In the future of the world there will no longer be a middle class and there will only be between the super rich and the super poor. Everything will be replaced by AI

[craggy verge]

interesting... see, i was just coming out of Church and feeling really great.. so i wondered if I could get the AI to do a song... and have it generate the lyrics... then I thought... but would it just be a machine or might God be behind the whole thing?

[unreal swan]

thats up to you and your view on reality. =3 no? and of course how well u get the ai to correspond + your renders

[craggy verge]

yeah, i guess it's up to my view... but regardless of what i believe, there must be a true belief... (I think that's from Plato or one of those guys) 😉

[unreal swan]

im going to lean with , we will find the existence of the multiverse being + or - before that will ever be answered -.o

[west hull]

truth

[craggy verge]

fascinated by your answer but i'm afraid i don't understand your symbols

[unreal swan]

true or false /wink

[west hull]

Do ants make art?

If ants make art, how could we even tell?

[craggy verge]

so we get the answer through experience?

[unreal swan]

but yes to help you i used religious experience to get the choir sound.

[craggy verge]

cool

i'm big on experience too

😅

[slate iron]

Is there anything ants do that doesn't serve any purpose besides for the sake of it? If the answer is no then they don't do art

[west hull]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_mill mebe?

[slate iron]

Well, as stated in the text "separated...lose the pheromone track and begin to follow one another..." so basically there was no intention to do that, they are trying to reach a destination and not to dance or form a circle for anyone to see for the sake of it...so not art by my definition

[craggy verge]

i wish i could get ants to march one after the other out of the house!

[dusty patrol]

I made this song with udio it kinda good but also kinda a bit lacking stuff and just straight up a bit bad https://www.udio.com/songs/npR9RpvnTgkmXYHkzkL7Zr

[craggy verge]

i think this would play much better with a female vocal... when my credits refresh i might try again https://suno.com/song/c7734ba0-252c-4e90-8581-d1af2f1c896f

[dusty patrol]

Il try to make it with female vocals in udio for you then i guess you’ll know if a female vocalists is better on the song

[dusty patrol]

But im not gona complet it cuz its your song but here is the first section of the song with female vocals https://www.udio.com/songs/xaRzmYiZRGzC1BXvyBHPG4

Its on 33 seconds but i guess you’ll know enough from that

[hidden vigil]

i will steal your organs

[dusty patrol]

But i guess also sunno’s vocal wuality is worse so this isnt a fair comparison to the male vocals i guess youll just need to find out your self

[dusty patrol]

Why what did i do

[hidden vigil]

live

[craggy verge]

i think it's hit and miss with either service... btw.. those are my original lyrics -- just for the record! 😎

i didn't bother with Udio...

[dusty patrol]

Okay nice

[craggy verge]

but i'm signed up there too

[dusty patrol]

Okay i mean udio is good if you can work around the fact it lacks structure

[craggy verge]

i think i got one or two good songs out of it

i just like it here better

[dusty patrol]

Yea i get ya

I mean my fully made udio song are kinda fire but also sometimes bad

[craggy verge]

my keywords were Canadian/American folk rock cos i was thinking of Gordon Lightfoot, Neil Young, Dylan, America, and some American female vocalists from that era... but i didn't want to say names...

[dusty patrol]

Ima make a song out of this

[craggy verge]

i might try it at Udio... but not tonight..........................

you can OD on this stuff

[dusty patrol]

Yea i mean you can say names of you slightly alter them to a different word that is similar but idk udio really doesn’t like real artist names

[dusty patrol]

But never to much

[hidden vigil]

do it and dm it to me

make it hard rock

[craggy verge]

i did "Leonard Cohen" once it was uncanny how much it sounded like him --- he's dead now but the estate might not like it.. so it's private

[dusty patrol]

I hade to alter it abit but sure how long do you want it to be

[hidden vigil]

2 mins

[dusty patrol]

Okay will do

[hidden vigil]

[dusty patrol]

Only hard rock or also othere genres

[hidden vigil]

only hard rock

[dusty patrol]

Okay

[hidden vigil]

i ran out of credits today lmao

[dusty patrol]

It might get longer then 2 mins though but not longer then 3 minutes and 25 seconds

[hidden vigil]

ok

[dusty patrol]

I think it will be done in 20 to 30 mins or if generating take long possibly longer

[hidden vigil]

oh dang

they can take that long?

[dusty patrol]

Udio yes some times it take 7 mins to generate but it seems now it fast so will see how long it will take

Already sorry but i hade to add a hard rock metal section

[hidden vigil]

k

[dusty patrol]

Its allmost done only need to add a section then outro and intro

[hidden vigil]

k

[dusty patrol]

I must say its already one of my best songs made with udio

[hidden vigil]

💀

[dusty patrol]

Almost done only a intro and i wil deliver the best song you have ever heard

[hidden vigil]

im scared

[dusty patrol]

Its done only a song cover then il send it to

[hidden vigil]

k

[dusty patrol]

https://www.udio.com/songs/4m1hi5u3ZyZtaniCqw2wSG

[hidden vigil]

listening to it

[dusty patrol]

Okay if your done let me know what you think of it

And o yea if it laks structure then you need to blame the ai for it

[quartz torrent]

https://suno.com/song/e43ed4b9-f74e-4ba5-9671-46255c470b7e

[hidden vigil]

wh-

[flint lava]

i dont remember this imagine dragons track

[dusty patrol]

album/playlist of my concurent udio song that aint bad https://www.udio.com/playlists/wNWXv4tJtoSaJnTGNaLais

[olive mortar]

https://cdn1.suno.ai/f8e5401d-4154-492b-9ea8-8ad5072e15aa.mp4

[dusty patrol]

@ebon flax i really cooked and made 4 new songs

[hidden vigil]

[dusty patrol]

only took me and hour or so to make 4 songs but if i wasnt watching youtube it would have been faster

[olive mortar]

What category is this kind of song?

I don't know the category

[dusty patrol]

sound kinda like a mix of power metal and hard rock but thats just me thinking that

[olive mortar]

I don't know how to differentiate the categories and thanks for the info

[dusty patrol]

but seems like its kinda sabatonish so yea Heavy Metal
Power Metal

but did you just not use a genre in the making of the song or do you just not rmeber

[olive mortar]

Not enough credit

Maybe tomorrow

[deep halo]

udio is so bad what even is this😭

[dusty patrol]

thats becuase you made it sound liek that with the genres you chose udio quality wise way better but structure wise worse and i think that also is kinda the problem here

[deep halo]

how do i fix it tho

[dusty patrol]

idk never did any thing like that on udio

i meansome genres udio isnt that perfect in yet but dont blame udio i mean probaly suno wasnt perfect at launch

[daring mountain]

Try manual and just tags

[remote lagoon]

gm

[craggy elbow]

udio doing amazing work

pretty much a fact now theyre better than whatever chirp v3 is
anyway im gonna enjoy being timed out for 7 days again because of the sheer toxicity of this place

[honest whale]

hi everybody, i like too create a new beach boys song in the style on 60th century. What promps are inside ?

i think its not easy 🙂

[gaunt skiff]

Udio ToS is also consumer friendly.

...you may use your Output for both personal and commercial purposes...

It feels like Suno is using the murkiness of copyright law to scare people into subscribing when it is a fact that AI generated content cannot be owned or copyrighted.

[deep halo]

alright

[deep halo]

thanks

[craggy elbow]

Hey! SHHHH Watch out what you say. the scar-y mods will look here and time you out for 7 days if you arent lobotimized in suno's favour (this isnt bs, they did time me out for 7 days like 3 times cause of seemingly nothing)

[gaunt skiff]

having been a mod for an official discord, rules are rules and mods can interpret them as they see fit.

I don't have all the context the mods have like repeat offenders tend to get heavy sentences.

It could be seen that this kind of discourse is seen as disrespectful or maybe advertising (though that wasn't the intent).

[daring mountain]

The difference right now is you have to mention Udio in credits or title

Which you don't have to with Suno

[craggy elbow]

I've also been like a moderator on sizeable servers. But the thing is, if these mods feel butthurt about you talking they will time you out without a warning nor reason for 7 days only. Not even an hour

[gaunt skiff]

I don't see a problem with something that should be done anyway xD

[daring mountain]

Well, what it means really is you don't actually have full ownership of it

Which you do with premium on suno

[craggy elbow]

there was one instance I was just chatting here and i got timed out. I checked the rules and i didnt do anything wrong since I was just chatting

[gaunt skiff]

That is not the same thing. Acknowledging you used a tool is not the same as giving up your rights to use the output

[craggy elbow]

^^

[gaunt skiff]

Don't chat so disrespectfully then xD

[craggy elbow]

I think I've been doing that since I was here

But I don't care anymore if they just time me out for nothing

[gaunt skiff]

There is always something that is a trigger even if it's nonsensical and not actually covered in the rules

[daring mountain]

" In addition, you further grant to Company and our affiliates, successors, assigns, and designees the worldwide, fully paid-up, sublicensable, assignable, perpetual and irrevocable right (but not the obligation) to identify to the public (both on and off the Services) that Output (or any of it) was generated using the Services, in such form and manner as we determine in our sole discretion." No, but it is granting them the full rights to do as they want with it (including denying you from it in the future)

[craggy elbow]

its generated music. If you need stock music then buy it

Or use kevin macleod's music

you could probably train an AI on just his music

[gaunt skiff]

That says they have the right to say "hey, we generated that for you". Not "we can take it away from you at any time".

The clause of "whatever form" they choose can be abused a little tbh.

Seems like this is more a worry over sole copyright when AI generated content cannot be copyrighted in the first place

[west hull]

can we have a TLDR of the conversation? It seems interesting but not appealing to scroll up

[gaunt skiff]

Lol. Which one? XD

[west hull]

the one about copyrights haha

[craggy elbow]

uhh, you have to credit udio even though someone thought udio owns the right to the music generated. but thats not the case. you just have to credit them and you can use it anywhere

[daring mountain]

You can use it anywhere but they still own parts of the rights and can transfer and sublicense rights (and it's not just about attribution)

So the difference is still that you get absolute rights in Suno, it might seem like a small difference but it's not just "capitalizing on fear"

[craggy elbow]

@gaunt skiff

you know more than i and he does

blast your knowledge please

[steep radish]

quit

[daring mountain]

It states clearly in the full text

[craggy elbow]

sorry for dragging you back in

i should do research but im at grandmas

[gaunt skiff]

So Suno cannot use your output on their site because they do not have the rights for paying customers. That is my interpretation of that.

[steep radish]

\chrip suno

[gaunt skiff]

Poor Joe. Still trying. The bot is dead man.

[ancient dragon]

/chrip

/chrip

[dusty patrol]

Made this new song it’s sang in 4 languages https://www.udio.com/songs/2SiEt1dChYUrMh1NFmavPd

[hoary wind]

I would've asked a moderator why the timeout was given, if it bothered me. If it didn't bother me I wouldn't come back poking at them and saying people are "lobotomized in Suno's favour".

[long tendon]

It sucks when moderators behave like that.

[long tendon]

By talking on several AI server, it does seem that there is a vocal minority contingent that it seems to me it displays cultish behaviours

[fast rivet]

Chirp is retired. Please use https://www.suno.com to make music ✌️

[hoary wind]

Hmm I've seen more of this in Udio's favour generally, both in here and in their discord. There's been a lot of "this is going to kill Suno, it's game over" kind of comments since the beta launched.

[vale lake]

People disagreeing with you is toxicity? Also why do you keep coming back if it's so toxic?

I disagree. I like Udio, and use it regularly. The music it produces has some high notes, namely it can produce excellent audio quality, and compelling 30 second clips. However, the overall composition is, comparatively, a mess. It doesn't create compelling music.

[long tendon]

Idiots will be idiots.
And the AI crowd harbour plenty

[vale lake]

Or rather, it does, but you have to get very very lucky

with suno, basicslly anyone can create a song with a solid hook, even if it's about explosive diahrea

And most of the credit expenditure in Suno thus goes towards deciding which excellent output to proceed with, and which excellent progression from there. With Udio, I spend most of my time trying to find a good output, and working to determine if what I have is decent

bc it's honestly hard to tell. The audio quality biases me to think "wow, this is such a banger" but the thing is, I never want to listen to the songs I made in Udio. The songs I made in Suno however, literally get stuck in my head.

[hoary wind]

I've found it's strength against Suno is it's vocal performances so I often just try to make it so acting and weirdness

[vale lake]

yea, it's voice are crystal clear

[hoary wind]

And yes, the quality seems much clearer with Udio, though I always notice some MP3 compression like effects (I posted some analysis of this previously) despite it being 320kbps. The mixing is clearer and the vocal performances are great. That's about it

[vale lake]

which is a really great feature if Suno devs glance in

agreed. But overall the end output I get with Suno, even at the lower quality, is phenomenal beside even the top Udio tracks. Like, any person can literally outperform the highest performing Udio track by themselves without any great knowledge, just by copy pasting it into suno and comparing

it's always just a better song, in my experience

bc Suno has a bigger context

[hoary wind]

Honestly I've spent more time messing with Udio than Suno the past week or two because it's free and new and interesting, despite having a Suno sub. I'm just gonna use both. More toys to play with.

[vale lake]

and more mature preference data

[vale lake]

Same, I've made a lot with it bc I'm out of credits