🗣️┃chill-chat

[vestal moon]

But the appeal of the musical generations is just that real authentic sound whereas with a song you expect it to have a progression that draws you in

[strange gorge]

Nah it can go further

33 seconds at a time, baby!

ALL 33 seconds too

[vestal moon]

I have yet to find any typical music genres where Udio can make songs I want to listen to

[runic depot]

the most obvious example is that suno will never do a dubstep WUB WUB, or even really any decent rich deep bass

[shut breach]

Ok.. several extensions have only gotten to 1:38.

[vestal moon]

It's a songwriting issue not a technical one, thoguh I guess the technology is doing the songwriting too

[strange gorge]

https://www.udio.com/songs/2oYwbsgoDKARLkquKf1beK

Dang, its what I had in my head for 'synthwave country'

[uneven horizon]

I also tried udio i will rate it 2 out of 10 it feels like making poems with random tones

[strange gorge]

Anyone having genre issues just flip that Manual mode switch

[runic depot]

functionally, having manual mode turned off is the same as suno's simple mode

[strange gorge]

But being able to tell it lyrics outside of that, which is kind of nice

[runic depot]

yeah actually that is nice

[strange gorge]

I do like that bit more subtle control of Uido

[fallow turret]

https://suno.com/song/21e93725-e668-434c-89ef-d316849f42ef

got it to write a eurobeat song about how software development books are too long and i don't want to read them

the chorus at :47 tho

so good

I love how when you tell it to write eurobeat no matter the topic it puts references to driving

gets the genre too well

[runic depot]

I already know I'm going to be disappointed but let's see how udio does when I tell it things like "electro-funk, country, guitar chops"

[strange gorge]

sigh
Man I was all set to have my opinion on Udio as being a cute distraction and a nice toy but Suno is all cool, but the way I'm getting Udio to give me what i have my my head when I throw genre mixes at it, as long as Manual mode is on is righteous

[uneven horizon]

Hey can you guide me sometimes suno generates songs with US accent even if the lyrics are in my own language

[fallow turret]

lmao right? i got it to write songs based on japanese prompts but it has the worst american accent 😂

[uneven horizon]

😂

[runic depot]

Like I said. If we could transfer what we know about how to use continue-from to build stuff, and if we could more easily run experiments

No contest.

[strange gorge]

Suno can and will get better though, I have no doubt they'll get there
I just don't want to wait

classic first world problem

[runic depot]

But that 33 second limit might indicate a technical limitation that makes it so they can't just change one line and let us have that v3 feature

[strange gorge]

https://www.udio.com/songs/gbUYwgug5zZgvZKbHCDX2d

[strange gorge]

Did this work out for you?

I'm just slamming stuff into Udio and letting it to everything and it seems to be doing just fine

[runic depot]

I got one weird garbage and one really weird thing. I have a feeling both of these got ruined by "glitchcore"

[strange gorge]

I haven't used it yet but 'Remix' in Udio means if you have a sound you like you should be able to remix it and change the words

[runic depot]

https://www.udio.com/songs/akCupkTZ3A2RqhJtQcbUp5

https://www.udio.com/songs/vUNT85qEbu9jJF2QWq5h8p

both really weird

those uh... those weren't good prompts

at least gens are faster than they were yesterday

yeah wow udio reacts way more violently when you're "fighting" it

[undone kernel]

sound like shit bro 😄

[vestal moon]

There seems to be some disagreement between the backend and the UI in Udio, it was saying I could generate 4 tracks at once and now it's saying 7 but when I try to generate more than 2, it says the servers can't take it.

[runic depot]

udio is much more willing to make unlistenable insanity when you prompt for unlistenable insanity

[undone kernel]

all almost sound the same , if not jazz and soul from 70's can making only stange noises xd

[vestal moon]

It goes a little hard https://www.udio.com/songs/5MEzRGP5dzsUKRCqcJJ1gt

[sudden star]

That is wrong: Start with instrumental and prompt your Synthies, you can specify all, Even keys. Than cut After some seconds and continue with your lyrics

[runic depot]

give me an example of prompting interesting synth instruments?

[undone kernel]

try to make anything like that, second shoot on suno

forget about anything modern on udio

[runic depot]

nice bass line

[runic depot]

Wanna put money that I'll be able to make 10s pop?

Or 00s alt-rock?

Or dubstep?

[undone kernel]

i am bored of dubstep and alt rock

[runic depot]

you said "anything modern"

[undone kernel]

people looking for modern sounds, flexible using

yes anything more than jazz, sould, hip hop from 80's

i made on youtube over 700k views on beat from suno

[runic depot]

And I said I guarantee udio will be all too willing to do "radio hits from the 00s and 10s"

recall that you couldn't even make suno v2 STOP making radio hits from the 00s and 10s

and you think udio doesn't have "modern" sounds?

man whatever

[undone kernel]

i do also over 9 years beatmaking I have lot of tracks when I didn't use AI and over 1-3 milions views under beats and under mixed tracks

[runic depot]

cognitive bias is a hell of a drug

[undone kernel]

right now i made many tracks on SUNO just for experimental tests , 3/10 sound like hits, even vocal is so amazing

[vestal moon]

Seems like I'm getting a lot of backend processing errors on Udio at the moment

[undone kernel]

no idea what's the differences between algorithms suno and udio

for sure udio is soo far away from suno technology

forgot about sound like it 😄

[runic depot]

multiple different ways of prompting this have all ended up with complete disaster

not failures like when suno just makes something nice and ignores all your prompts. Disasters.

It's kind of entertaining tbh

But anyway, let's make some electro-funk

about time I start trying things in udio that DO work instead of setting it up to fail

[undone kernel]

Radio Spot

In my language sound perfect

[grim idol]

Ran the Dune Udio prompt in Suno, not too bad.
lazy prompt: musical, musical, musical, musical, musical, musical, female, female, theatrical, stage, stage (stage might do nothing never tested that one actually)
https://suno.com/song/d946d6ea-9f27-4590-82dc-f3c7017813a1

tried to spice up prompt, not really better: Show tunes happy Soundtrack, >;;, theatrical musical showtune theater live happy female, oatmeal-stage, live
https://suno.com/song/ee4deb58-7cde-40a6-9f23-b592245bfe75

[runic depot]

musical musical musical musical

"musical theater" would have been fine

[undone kernel]

If you know what to use in a few steps you will get it on Suno, you can control the pitch, vocal tempo, singing, speaking, whispering, key, key, bpm many things if you know music, the only problem is when the servers are abused it manifests itself not only slow generation or problems but also reduces processing power and prompt results are imprecise

[grim idol]

even when I am just being lazy with one or two words, i've fallen into a habit of making the style prompt longer by just copying and pasting them a few times. just a vibe that it helps overall

[vestal moon]

Seems like Udio just completely ignores the genre when I prompt it in Russian. It gives me Russian but the gnre is random

[runic depot]

hard to tell but I think that actually has some of the "stage" acoustics too. We just never noticed it because we tend not to make broadway musicals in here haha

[undone kernel]

artifacts and noise sound like from a gramophone record, 90% of the vocals from Uido have noise, they are radio friendly

[orchid gust]

so who changed my name 🙂 on suno library:)

[runic depot]

initial results are not promising

[grim idol]

okay couldn't resist throwing even more random garbage into styel prompt, kind of interesting output lol
https://suno.com/song/56fa94f8-406c-411f-b761-3c3770c0b2d4

[undone kernel]

they installed a system of profiles and their names, so you took the default name, you can change it in Edit Profile

[orchid gust]

thankyou, for a moment i fought i was botted:)

[grim idol]

Even MORE garbage maybe it is helping. Who doesn't love the wonder genre we call >SDF>WEF>F.SDf?>>happy, Soundtrack, theatrical, musical, , theater, live, happy, ;>SDF>SDF>WEF>F.SDf?>>>>>>>?

https://suno.com/song/ef51edca-413d-42c5-92fc-8ba683e0a1c7

[runic depot]

I am starting to think that suno was trained on Hideki Naganuma and udio was not

[candid valve]

https://suno.com/song/5e7ff653-b7ed-441c-ae13-2d481ba50770

[runic depot]

because udio's definition of "electro-funk" is not the same

[candid valve]

please give me a like im a smidge off trending now!

[grim idol]

very early impression is udio likes to swing between extremes: extremely-normal-standard-song <-> is-that-supposed-to-be-music? seems hard to hit the spot in between

[runic depot]

that is the impression I'm getting too. If I ask suno to do something unusual I get one or two of what I want, a lot of ignoring my prompts, and a handful of unlistenable shitshows. udio just gives 100% shitshows

[grim idol]

I think one way to cheat your way into the sweet spot in the middle is remix, but since you can only remix 0:33 clips, hard to use for actual songs until that hcanges

[tranquil ginkgo]

Wassup, guys. Sorry if it was asked earlier, can't find. Is it possible to reuse generate music style ?

[runic depot]

But some things don't change.

[strange gorge]

Udio is way more neon that Suno

I used to think 'synthwave' was the trigger for Neon but no

Just...it does it

[runic depot]

inclined to agree

so much neon

man what were the prompts for all that cool Naganuma-like stuff I got from suno? I guess I could try the exact same

[fallow turret]

I made an entire album on suno about being a software developer

I made an album cover cause I was bored

god i'm so entertained

https://suno.com/song/e8aa8f80-aaaa-49a6-be5d-586e4f52c1c7

a song about going to coding bootcamp

[stable swallow]

anyone got any info on cheap domains?

.com

[fallow turret]

namecheap?

[stable swallow]

yes, but on a really tight budget and the godaddy 0.99 cents code seems not working anymore

[fallow turret]

no no namecheap is the name of a registrar

of course some domains you wont find cheap regardless of where you look

[stable swallow]

i've had domains in the past from namecheap by the way. just hustling for a pretty low deal

[runic depot]

alright, multiple failures at prompting stuff like metal with a violin and EDM with a flute

I could try doing it with a continue, but that's no good when you can only continue at the designated 30 second mark, right?

Fool that I am for thinking that udio would be as good or better at this kind of thing just because it sounds so much better.

I really can't prompt for much of anything that isn't comfortably in a genre.

Spoke too soon, I got metal with strings

https://www.udio.com/songs/5yi7H5Yzork5nZmpTDo9Ms

[hearty storm]

definitely not as smooth, but better than expected

[stable swallow]

my take is that udio is kind of rigid in it's output though the audio quality seems a bit over suno but suno is really flexible with the prompts and output

[runic depot]

the thing is, udio isn't just "higher quality," it does instrument voices better on a deep level

[graceful swan]

yep also tried metal with violin no real success so far

[runic depot]

I tried three different things, the last one worked. No telling which version of "violin" in those prompts did it

[hearty storm]

Why aren't you chatting up the Udio Discord?

[runic depot]

because it's all people buzzing about their new toy, and I want to talk about differences and limitations and experimentation

wrong reply

[stable swallow]

i thought here was off-topic disc

[hearty storm]

bro, was not targetting you

It is, but @runic depot is the biggest Udio shill in here

[runic depot]

it's new, it's interesting, I'm playing with it, therefore I'm talking about it. Block me if it annoys you, won't break my heart.

[hearty storm]

Yeah, I'm asking why not center in the Udio Discord

[stable swallow]

you don't have to bother yourself, it's off topic here, and it's suno competitor, so we can discuss about it here. just that it's not blatant promo

[runic depot]

so the reason I'm interested in this is because it's exactly what we do all the time in suno, right

[graceful swan]

in suno I put violin in (almost) every song

[runic depot]

yeah, the other day I had a lot of fun discovering the fact that suno is the same way with koto

[stable swallow]

i have tried udio, but i can't leave Suno for best reasons known to me

so why would you be hurt about it?

[runic depot]

but of course there are things that suno REFUSES to put in anything except its designated genres, and for udio that seems to be basically everything

[hearty storm]

I'm not telling anyone what to do, it just seems that if you love Udio so much you should talk in their Discord.

[runic depot]

metal + violin is too easy tbh

[hearty storm]

No one is, I have been in this chat for the past few days since Udio came out so I have seen most everything people are saying

[stable swallow]

just chill bro. breathe in and out

[runic depot]

koto + whatever is a better test, because suno can do that even though it's unusual

[grim idol]

There is a lot of very interesting discussion on the nuances and differences in Suno and Udio and it's perfectly fine to talk here

[hearty storm]

I never said it wasn't lol

[stable swallow]

Yes, it is

[hearty storm]

It was purely a functional question lol

[stable swallow]

Just waiting for improved audio quality in V4 coz Suno is the most flexible right now, udio is still rigid and has bunch of hallucinations also not friendly for custom lyrics imo

[grim idol]

Cool just wanted to make it clear, I'm learning a lot myself about both. Off topic is apparently where it's at

[hearty storm]

If I was in here talking about Midjourney 24/7, someone might ask me why I'm not in their Discord.

You understand the logic @grim idol ?

[fallow turret]

lmao

[runic depot]

my repeated failure at prompting unusual stuff that worked in suno is a definite bummer, because I would've been eager to jump ship.

[fallow turret]

https://suno.com/song/172fe534-be48-4ad1-abbf-dc496c9e5492

[runic depot]

I guess I'll play around with continuing in udio next

[hearty storm]

nice title

[polar cloak]

Love the name

[graceful swan]

did you try the remix function yet?

[runic depot]

by accident, yes. What does it do?

Aside from copy over the prompts and such just like suno does

[runic depot]

okay I actually love this

[graceful swan]

You can actually change a bit of words. Correct little mistakes and it stays close to original gimme a sec

[runic depot]

whoaaa

[grim idol]

The more interesting use case is to remix but change your prompt and tags. That is the weird cheat code

[graceful swan]

https://www.udio.com/playlists/3k9v7RS45jkTKgMZitqRUt

Sadly only works on first gen currently not with continued

[runic depot]

All right... I'll play around with it

[stable swallow]

the only thing i feel working for udio is the audio quality

and its lacking on afrobeats which Suno wins hands down

[grim idol]

Yeah.

[runic depot]

it's way deeper than just the audio quality. That's why I'm scraping for ways to make udio do the things I like to do in suno. It's starting to look like that's not gonna happen

[hearty storm]

alright, now I'm invested in Suno

[vestal frigate]

Regarding Udio: There is no clear information rgeardiing copyright and if songs belong to you after downloading - like on Suno.

[stable swallow]

yes, once you get deeper, you'll see it lacks behind suno

[hearty storm]

Yes there is

[hearty storm]

It does, but you have to give credit

[vestal frigate]

Where?

[runic depot]

I mean that the reasons it "sounds better" are deeper than the audio quality

much deeper

[hearty storm]

The ToS - 6.3 and 6.4 @vestal frigate

[vestal frigate]

Giving credit is not like Suno. I can't use music, where people have to give credit to Suno, Udio or anything else. So you actually can't compare Udio with Suno regarding copyright. It is useless.

[hearty storm]

I agree

I'm not shilling them

Just explaining you do own it, with Credit

[vestal frigate]

I really like the GUI of Udio.

[runic depot]

I hate it. Mobile site is awful

[vestal frigate]

On Suno you own the music with a premium account - thats why I can offer it on my website filmmusic.io - with Udio this is actually not possible.

[hearty storm]

I also don't want to advertise to the world I'm using AI

I will admit it if questioned

[runic depot]

suno's mobile site is alright. udio's is torture

[vestal frigate]

Every song made with AI is clearly marked with "AI" on my website. All my music is marked with "HANDCRAFTED".

[hearty storm]

Well, then what's the problem? lol

[vestal frigate]

People want to know if music is ai or not. I think for transparency this is important.

[hearty storm]

Then credit Udio and be done with it

[vestal frigate]

People download music and can buy licenses if they do not want to credit me or anybody else.

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/a76c33de-367e-456c-ae05-5db2891adc08

[vestal frigate]

Not everbody can credit. Game developer cant.

[vale lake]

thought this chat night like the weird shit

[hearty storm]

Not sure I am understanding what you are saying. If a Game Dev uses your song, they can put it in their credits and also mention Udio

[vale lake]

off-topic has become the suno-Unio warzone

[vestal frigate]

Game developer makers a game -> People make a recording of the game with music -> Credits not possible

[hearty storm]

Unio lol

[stable swallow]

love the layout of your site, seems you came at the right time coz i was looking for a similar build

[vestal frigate]

The layout is a them... you can get it for 20$

[stable swallow]

show me how pls

[vestal frigate]

Okay, it is 29$ ---> https://themeforest.net/item/valex-bootstrap-admin-dashboard-html-template/26645744

[hearty storm]

The copyright that Udio gives out is Limited, not Unlimited. But I don't understand all the Ins and Outs

Until they allow a paid plan with No Credit, I would not use their songs to give to Game Devs

or similar likes

[stable swallow]

Thank You

[vestal frigate]

I can only recommend the Valex theme if you are developer, love bootstrap and a well documented theme 🙂

It took me 4 hours to adopt it to my site.

[hearty storm]

Reading the ToS will help you a lot @vestal frigate

[vestal frigate]

There are also Laravel, React and many more versions - look at that.

[hearty storm]

https://www.udio.com/terms-of-service

[vestal frigate]

I know the TOS, they do not allow commercial use without credit actually.

[hearty storm]

You just came in here saying otherwise?

Did you lose track of who you were talking to?

lol

Alright, nvm

[vestal frigate]

??? I never wrote something else.

[jade locust]

udio also suffers of the neon lyrics

way less tho

[graceful swan]

Did anyone else test the combination of
hyper binaural [normal style tag combo] ultra asmr not comma seperated
Yet? It definitely does 'stuff'

[hearty storm]

caught in 4K

[vestal frigate]

A clear information is not protected behind 100000000000 sentences of TOS.

Suno has a CLEAR and TRANSPARENT information.

Read, understand, then write.

[hearty storm]

let me help you out

[vale lake]

I haven't tried ultra asmr

[hearty storm]

6.3 "Subject to your compliance with these Terms, including, without limitation, Section 6.4, you may use your Output for both personal and commercial purposes, and we permit you to download a copy of your Output that consists of an audio file for such purposes."

[vale lake]

everything else yes

also ASMRasmr

[hearty storm]

6.4 "If you exploit or otherwise make any public use of any Output, or any content that includes any Output (in whole or in part), including the distribution of Output in the form of or as part of audio or audio-visual recordings made available via any third party application, website or platform, then you agree to include a credit, notice or other indicator in connection with such use (e.g., in the track title, in the credits section, etc.) that prominently indicates that such Output was generated using the Services. Such notice will be in a form and manner that is reasonable and practicable in light of the usage concerned. "

[vestal frigate]

THIS IS CLEAR: https://suno-ai.notion.site/FAQs-b72601b96de44e5cacd2cd6baa985448#f0f1441180484d6094206e84e334ba36

[hearty storm]

Read above my dude @vestal frigate

[vestal frigate]

Who owns the songs I generate using Suno?

If you are a paying subscriber to Suno, then you own the songs you generate while subscribed to Pro or Premier, subject to your compliance with Suno’s Terms of Service.

[runic depot]

Dammit.

Udio you clearly have SO much money and talent behind you, the stuff you output has so much potential, so why can't you make anything half as cool as this

https://suno.com/song/a0767703-dcdb-442d-a3dd-0709420df878

[vale lake]

Udio requires attribution

[vestal frigate]

I will not apend my time discussing here anymore. bye.

[hearty storm]

bro I know

[vale lake]

suno doesn't (if you pay)

I was summarizing

[grim idol]

It would surely be easier to understand the terms of service in the form of a song. Don't you agree?

[graceful swan]

I am not sure if it's placebo but it does 'stuff' but it's one of these combos that seem to range from actual noise generator to interesting stuff

[fallow turret]

somebody please

[hearty storm]

@vestal frigate

Udio ToS

6.3
Subject to your compliance with these Terms, including, without limitation, Section 6.4, you may use your Output for both personal and commercial purposes, and we permit you to download a copy of your Output that consists of an audio file for such purposes.

6.4
If you exploit or otherwise make any public use of any Output, or any content that includes any Output (in whole or in part), including the distribution of Output in the form of or as part of audio or audio-visual recordings made available via any third party application, website or platform, then you agree to include a credit, notice or other indicator in connection with such use (e.g., in the track title, in the credits section, etc.) that prominently indicates that such Output was generated using the Services. Such notice will be in a form and manner that is reasonable and practicable in light of the usage concerned.

[graceful swan]

@vale lake combination with chipped orchestra and polyphonic polyrythm opera was hilarious.. careful it gets loud
#🗣️┃chill-chat message

[fallow turret]

https://suno.com/song/8dfada91-3d41-4fa4-9047-8fa3c167cdba

[runic depot]

Apparently in some people's minds "you have to scrutinize the ToS for the fine print" = "the information is obfuscated behind 1000 lines of legalese"

If we're talking OWNERSHIP and COMMERCIAL USE then your ass had better be reading the fine print

[hearty storm]

gotcha, my bad lmao

[west hull]

udio understands me better than suno

[fallow turret]

https://suno.com/song/95d41c23-ac5b-4eb8-9d16-c8327c8cd033

a funk song about how this guy on the internet wants me to read the terms of service if i want to use the output of the website for commercial use, but it's too much work and i don't want to

[hearty storm]

why does it not give the audio preview sometimes?

[graceful swan]

If someone posts before gen is complete that happens

An then because of discod caching you have to add / to url or it wont update

[hearty storm]

Gotcha gotcha, makes sense

[runic depot]

Well how the heck am I supposed to make anything fun in udio when it's way more of a segregationist than suno ever was

can I do a "style switch demo?" I have a feeling that'll be a disappointment too

I wasn't even able to impress myself and others by making foreign music

And enka is NOT OBSCURE

[graceful swan]

well it only has 33 seconds of memory it will switch on its own 😄

[runic depot]

It was huge in, like, the 70s or something

Yeah, enka is postwar shit, 60s-70s

come onnnnn

Shit dammit I keep forgetting to change it to instrumental

[fallow turret]

i'm trying to make an enka song and it keeps making jpop

90% of the time when I give it lyrics in japanese it makes jpop no matter what genre i specify

what data did they use to train the model for japanese seriously

[runic depot]

yeah, you are 1000% wasting your time on enka

[fallow turret]

wait wait wait

I got one

https://suno.com/song/5057377b-a9ea-442a-99b6-164169a93946/

[runic depot]

OH YOU MEANT SUNO

[fallow turret]

ohhh

[runic depot]

yep I've gotten enka from suno

[fallow turret]

It's an enka song about people arguing on the internet over whether suno or udio is better

[runic depot]

but udio quite assurely has no enka in its data at all

which is incredibly frustrating

imagine udio outputting enka high notes

[fallow turret]

this is so good

[runic depot]

I love the name

why are the lyrics like that

[fallow turret]

admittedly i used a different website to do the lyrics lmao

[runic depot]

lol

[fallow turret]

it was easier than trying to generate a song over and over to get enka

[runic depot]

this does sound like enka

right down to the 70s-ass backing track

[fallow turret]

I couldn't get suno to write me an enka song when I wrote t he prompt in japanese

so I used lyrics from another website and then specified the genre as enka in english

[runic depot]

yeah no I prompt enka in english and it works... maybe 30% of the time

[runic depot]

... wait...

the lyrics being in japanese changes the genre that strongly?

send me those lyrics that made that happen, I'm curious

[fallow turret]

yeah i swear almost every time I do the prompt in japanese it writes jpop

maybe i'm just writing bad prompts

[runic depot]

well what I'm gonna do is prompt some extremely not jpop genres and see if I hear jpop influence

[fallow turret]

well, it gives up on japanese about 50% of the time

[runic depot]

send me the lyrics that did this

oh, when you write the PROMPT in japanese

that... is... interesting

[fallow turret]

well

I used the same lyrics as the song I posted, but put the genre name in japanese instead of english

when I used enka in english it worked

but when I wrote "60s enka" in japanese it gave me jpop

[runic depot]

perhaps the AI that reads the prompts doesn't know a word of japanese and says "moonspeak again, give this weeb some anime shit I guess"

[fallow turret]

man I haven't heard someone say moonspeak in like ten years

[runic depot]

heyoooo

sucks that my go-to example of enka singing is now one of the most hated vtubers ever

because she's also quite possibly the most powerful singer in the vtuber sphere

[fallow turret]

man vtuber and enka are two things i never thought i'd hear together

[runic depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eTbqidnfdU

skip around if you gotta

you'll see

don't ask me what the song is about I have no idea

[white nova]

Can someone help me figure out what the pre-chorus on this song reminds you of?
https://suno.com/song/2fd15b91-f7af-46ed-9c44-b523ac1dee21

It's at the tip of my tongue

Sounds super familiar

[runic depot]

I almost want to say it sounds like pop

that's probably why

[white nova]

It's from a popular song at least

I know I've heard it on the radio lol

Probably a few years ago

[runic depot]

I'm no musician, I can't articulate it, but that just sounds like a sequence of notes that you'd hear in pop

in fact that first line definitely appears exactly as-is in... all kinds of stuff... dammit, I can't name it either

I'm thinking female 10s pop singer

katy perry, sara bareilles, and friends

[white nova]

lol no trouble, I'll most likely figure it out one day, thank you for trying

[runic depot]

god dammit this is gonna bother me

[quartz sleet]

I know some of you said Landr i didnt like what they had so does any one else know any other or use any other distributor site for there music?

[fallow vale]

Hello
[Continue]
[Verse]
Start from here
Do you mean that I should add a [Continue] before an insertion part?

[young inlet]

Would be amazing if someone knowledgeable would compile all the [...] commands with explanations of what they do and how they work 🤔

[runic depot]

there is no actual system for [commands]

they only work because the AI sees them and, you hope, correlates [guitar solo] with a guitar solo

it's very consistent with some ([chorus] mostly) and others are almost certainly placebo (like [drop] no matter what others may tell you)

[young inlet]

I see... AI is a cat 🐱

[runic depot]

yes

[young inlet]

Kinda sad realization considering you have limited tries.

[runic depot]

making a full song takes a bare minimum of 300-400 credits

and if you're writing original lyrics and retrying until the AI does something with them that sounds right, whoa boy.

[young inlet]

Ye

⚰️

[tropic pasture]

Check out the first 4 songs of my original album: “symphony of synergy” https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLODVHnh6zmA5qhEx-dNRoFhq3qjM6vbq8

[hearty storm]

Prompted Udio for "Kanye West Singing About Goku Defeating the Illuminati" --- Let's see how this turns out

pretty bad lol

[bold spear]

https://suno.com/@twig
Hope you all like what I've put together so far!

[twilit lance]

idk

[hearty storm]

Did Udio just crash

[final lynx]

https://suno.com/song/3473d40e-ff14-4405-8996-67308e644fd0

leave it a like 🖕 🤟 ❤️

[runic depot]

you know I think half my problems with udio may be caused by having no foreign music in it whatsoever

[graceful swan]

I tried to didgeri the doo with udio but it was just as uncooperative as suno

[daring lily]

is this yours ? pretty epic

[graceful swan]

Yes and thanks. But note that the vocal changes where unprompted that was just udio forgetting the voice.

[daring lily]

oh. yeah, that's going to be an issue. i think everywhere. I just trying "taylor swift singing about the bayou in 'Taylor Swift River' " over on an AI that in theory lets you do that, but it gave me three gens, all of which are dudes

[runic depot]

ugh I hate how good the extends in udio are

I don't want "good" I want "mine"

[graceful swan]

hm yeah i tried yesterday to nudge it to metal from what is was doing it it was like "more of epic opera sure"

[lilac forum]

Anyone beat maker here?

[graceful swan]

Maybe.. theres some difference in prompting for changes or general "secrets" we don't know yet I did not gen too much with udio yet.. made my obligatory lorem ipsum test. tried remix. Servers crashed and that was it basically some 20 more test gens maybe..

[runic depot]

right now I am trying out extending into a new song

[graceful swan]

it can work i think the biggest issue is no custom continuation point.

[daring lily]

two more gens, "female vocalist" is a dude on udio

[runic depot]

not being able to choose the continuation point and the 30 seconds of "memory" are basically a death sentence

but...

knowing that AI music can sound like this is killing me

[daring lily]

4/4

[daring lily]

i cannot seem to control anything on udio

[graceful swan]

buch of tiny little musicians trapped and forced to do music. explains the gen time on udio as well..

[runic depot]

You know what this is, this is suno from The Bad Future

the timeline where AI music goes in the iphone kind of direction, and the developers' goal is to give the best possible experience to everyone with as few clicks as possible.

[fossil mesa]

For datascientists out there https://paperswithcode.com/dataset/magnatagatune

[runic depot]

like, do you see those kids in general right now with their "soon we won't need spotify because AI will make whatever music we want to hear on the spot"

same energy as "haha those elitist furry artists are scared"

[graceful swan]

aight imma make my own musical AI with didgeridoos and inpainting

[runic depot]

... yeah

that's what we want

but is it what people with the resources to make these things will want to sell

[graceful swan]

Sooner or later a decent open source(ish) one will appear. I believe at least

i mean there already are they just don't to lyrics at all. And i don't know the quality

[runic depot]

mind you, I'm probably wrong about udio in particular, because they specifically said that making features geared towards musicians is on their list

but you can probably understand what I mean anyway with the iphone metaphor, right?

no idea why this was wordfiltered

[fossil mesa]

This open source project plans to release something before end of 2024 https://github.com/open-mmlab/Amphion/issues/170#event-12387808127

[graceful swan]

Yes i get it. But I also see the potential in udio They already have that remix thing going for them. I will stay positive and hope they have already a model with larger context window in the works

[fossil mesa]

There is one other notable open source project in the works I've heard about in passing but they don't have a project page yet

[runic depot]

always excited to see people carrying the torch of open source

[graceful swan]

Cool.. I Only saw MusicLM and audioLM so far.

[fossil mesa]

I keep hoping Suno will publish something, anything; they truly have State of the Art and should get publication credit for their work

[graceful swan]

imb4 it's just bark with more params and 44.1khz stereo output

[fossil mesa]

Lol it's bark, but using bark to annotate the Real (read: proprietary) music dataset

And the using that to train another model

*then

[graceful swan]

i looked into bark and I was kinda set on trying to train it on music... then i discovered theres no training code implementation

[runic depot]

So I wanna post the song I just wrapped up in because it has some really strange "glitches" that mmmmmmmight actually not be glitches?

no, no that's definitely a glitch

I've gotten this kind of thing in suno but extremely rarely

https://www.udio.com/songs/8m12E4VfsH7swEoPiwWnQP

23 seconds and...

2:42

[graceful swan]

I really should buy headphones for my phone so I can listen to this stuff at night...

[fossil mesa]

I can get you an alternative training method/link if your willpower can reignite on this topic, just let me know

[graceful swan]

Oh sure I will look into it

[fossil mesa]

https://github.com/theodorblackbird/lina-speech

This was text-to-speech with Apache 2.0 Rwkv 4.0 (linear transformer)

https://github.com/BlinkDL/RWKV-LM for the latest rwkv 6.0 (may not be a simple drop in replacement for the text to speech project there)

[hybrid yacht]

Not bad.. best I heard from Suno, I still prefer Udio's guitar solos. They just sound cleaner for some reason 🤷‍♂️

[graceful swan]

thanks I'll check it out over the weekend and gauge if it's useful for me

[white nova]

This isn't it, but I did think it kinda maybe sounded a bit like, "How far I'll go" from Moana

[undone grove]

Hi

[orchid gust]

https://www.udio.com/songs/giYkMtztgwRwfBrfKYV3x3

added this suno song to udio, it's a little bit too fast for my liking and some of the words are super quick!.

[lost ice]

Is anyone else getting a lot of credits out of nowhere?

[orchid gust]

they were part of the sorry from suno.for there server crashes.

[frank panther]

My bad...

https://suno.com/song/3be48c28-4c08-4312-9926-08e3c44b136e

[scarlet osprey]

I made this, does someone like this? And can you give me tips? https://www.udio.com/songs/bXgS4JroE3o5EspgHppTdf

[cold frigate]

Is "udio" the studio without the "st" or the audio without the "a"? 🤔

[clever spire]

Neither... udio = you -dio = your audio = your music = your sound ... arrh... sorry that's stupid! lol

[forest egret]

udio sounds sooooo ( ...) bad at this stage, i know they will get better. but all my results are background noise instead of songs or tracks

[swift vessel]

https://suno.com/song/fab887d9-7d41-41ca-933e-9fbd9e09077d

[vocal furnace]

what kind of songs are you making? i.e. what's your prompts?

[forest egret]

emotional, sad, piano and its really fked up

[vocal furnace]

also it's important to note that at this stage, if writing custom lyrics, only write 4-6 lines at a time as it generates in ~33 sec segments

[vocal furnace]

share an example?

[forest egret]

ok let me try less text maybe

its german xD

w8

sad, piano, emotional, female thats are the prompts, and 2 verse german text

xD

but as you said i will immid...things, try less text

[eager warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TkoByS1rYE

[forest egret]

tis you made with udio ? yeah , i can hear the potential...for me is big " BUT..."

[eager warren]

udio?

[west hull]

/chio

good morning boys and girls

[forest egret]

oh sorry i thought we had discussed udio, the new star in AI Music creation, but for me its not

[forest egret]

good morning mate whazaaaa ^^

[west hull]

I'm on a rant at the moment 🙂 I wanna rant. About how people shit in a prompt box and think this is art. About the next guy telling me that Bob Ross is a great contemporary painter. He's the sweetest person and a nice teacher but that is not hq stuff it's painting by numbers. We're all used to an industry shitting in our eyes and ears, but common man.

pass the old el crasso ^^

[eager warren]

This was Sudo. Making a few acid metal songs,

[forest egret]

yeah i feel you Mate

[west hull]

here listen to my song it can definetely keep up with the top charts on spotify but it's still shit 😄

how can all these people even have a life, when their tastebuds and judgement are beyond mad?

[forest egret]

to me it feels like it was few months we talked about Chatgpt, now whole Music industrie is going about to blow away

sory my engilish

[eager warren]

Honestly, when music AI gets set up enough that you have a lot of control over it, it won't be much difference between it and fruitloops.

[west hull]

german dude i can tell ^^

[forest egret]

xD

[west hull]

I'm german too, but it's good to practice imo

[forest egret]

yeah lets keep english here

[west hull]

I love AI for doing what it does. It serves everybody the idea that whatever they thought was brilliant music on their spotify is basically pc crafted in 3 minutes

[forest egret]

i'm obsessed with suno ! this totaly insane

[west hull]

here's your new little teenage wunderkind performing her great song "I shake my ass"

[forest egret]

i try to make a song for my soccer club, this will epic

[forest egret]

🤣

[forest egret]

ok budy was nice to talk littlebit, need to go to kitchen make some breakfast and take look at my room mates here xD

[west hull]

aight have a nice day

[forest egret]

thats ***ing cool

xD ing ing ing

ok you too, have nice day too

[eager warren]

Still gotta work on the lyrics for peanuts

[west hull]

ty cheered me up

[keen stirrup]

https://suno.com/@stitchez got some alright tracks made so far. Been doing my own lyrics so i at least feel involved lol

[west hull]

is that a commercial? people here are already hooked. Post on social media maybe.. Everybody here has music coming out of all ends :o)

[fast marsh]

Out of curiosity but does anyone here know of the JoJo's Bizzare Adventure anime?

I was trying for some instrumentals that sounded like League of Legends K/DA but ended up with one that sounded like an opening for the JoJo's series. lol

https://suno.com/song/e04ca819-dac4-434a-9cde-abe43bd8ed1e

[keen stirrup]

its a suno link, people can choose to listen or not @west hull they are indeed posted everywhere here so never thought id be harming anyone lol

[wispy ice]

That is actually pretty damn close to a jojo intro/outro

[fast marsh]

Just for giggles to make it even worse, look up season two opening and play the two at the same time and it almost fits perfectly. XD

[wispy ice]

Bloody stream?

[west hull]

you don't Imake jokes bro

[keen stirrup]

wha?

[west hull]

I said, I make jokes. It's a joke, don't be offended please

[keen stirrup]

i see, no problem! I'm not

[west hull]

I could say that every 2 minutes and we all post music me too ofc

no 🙂 no problem mate

https://www.udio.com/songs/mJWcmAo8RaYzftGXHQ5yRG continue?

exclaimer: this is a commercial, too ^^

[fast marsh]

When all you wanted was a instrumental song similar in style to K/DA from League of Legends and you get this gem even though you can't understand the lyrics since its SIM speak. lol

https://suno.com/song/c739669b-8768-441f-89e7-4f80286955e5

[west hull]

It was a little heavy tho I see that now. It's when I'm a little fired up I tend to provoke. sry for that 🙂

[keen stirrup]

Its really no problem! I was just confused is all! Sarcasm by text can be pretty hard to read 😋

[west hull]

I think your reading skills aren't that off to be fair ^^

[uneven horizon]

hey can anyone guide me what to write in style of song if i want both male and female to sing together?

[bleak dagger]

been messing around with custom a bit - https://suno.com/song/6f98ad2b-2d09-4201-8082-1d9462191fb2

Suno is surprisingly good at making drum and bass

[high compass]

rofl ... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/adobe-ethical-firefly-ai-trained-123004288.html

[amber matrix]

As of today all my suno songs are now live all streaming services! Next to be released as single: https://suno.com/song/f0240d5e-b2d4-4a72-84cc-2424ac65092e

[hoary wind]

Seems Udio can't extend my song that is 4:22 in length any further. Not a processing error, just flat out refuses because it says the song is too long. Thought it'd be interesting to note that in case anyone else tries a long one. It's nice to not have to stitch parts together separately but it's also kind of annoying to have to seek to the part of the song that's new.

[amber matrix]

in term of creativity and musicality i still prever Suno..

been experimenting with udio with the same lyrics and prompts

I just hope some of the best tools in udio will be copied, such as the ability to add parts before and after a song

[high compass]

well ..that's like 9 or 10 continuations ... the 33 seconds/clip is slightly frustrating. As for creativity and musicality, I disagree. At least Rocksong wise udio seems to be more akin to V3a than V3. 'worse' /rougher sounding but with a highter temp

[amber matrix]

that would be killer...

[high compass]

also MUCH less choir-heavy

[amber matrix]

yeah maybe on my genres suno is better, but udio may be better on rock etc

[hoary wind]

I had to keep continuing because it was making nice things at the same time as refusing to go in the direction I was giving it 😆

[high compass]

Suno excels at electronic stuff (inclusive pop and hiphop). It REALLY sucks at rock since V3

[amber matrix]

I just cannot be satisfied with what udio gave me after 500 credits for a prompt that would get good result in Suno within 10 or so generations

[hoary wind]

So I wanted to stick an intro and outro on it and it went "no."

[high compass]

Stuff like that is impossible with Suno

[high compass]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-says-no-carol-beer-no-way-little-britain-trendizisst-gif-14015902623456325888

[amber matrix]

is it just me or is Udio really good with oldies?

For now I will stick with suno. I believe in you Suno!

[high compass]

yeah .. .rock or jazz [which you might define as 'oldies'] are definitely better on udio

but you can hear the "roughness" of the result in udio ... it sounds like a bad radio

[amber matrix]

also, I still cannot commit on Udio with their copyright policy

[high compass]

Suno's sound is clearer and crisper ... and full of Highschool Musicals surprise choir on faster songs with guitars. which makes rock tracks unlistenable

[amber matrix]

I know they are still in beta, but still.. having to split royalties even if you subscribed? wtf is that? or has it been updated or been greatly misunderstood?

[hoary wind]

I've made something that I'm going to use as a test track to confirm whether Udio's MP3 bitrate is a placebo or not. I'm convinced that the audio quality is lower, aside from maybe the vocals. Drums sound obviously watery to me. Will also do the same with Suno.

[oblique horizon]

Udio quality for me is way too good like im finding it hard to use suno again

[noble basin]

The differences I hear are in instrument fidelity and expressiveness. Udio renders out very expressive lead guitar, for example. But it does come at a cost - often simple musical ideas are being buried in too much expressiveness and decoration and there doesn't seem to be an easy way to tone it down. Like it's a bit of a diva. Or like Midjourney with stylize set too high - initially the images are just "wow", but eventually you get bored of seeing tiaras and filligree jewellery on every fantasy character.

[civic kestrel]

Its a new world 🙂 https://www.udio.com/songs/c7RdEEBfDYcQ39xiWDV1N6

[noble basin]

They are not yet a live service - or at least not in its long-term form. It's a free public beta and unclear where it is heading.

[merry maple]

😩

[foggy moon]

WOOF
https://suno.com/song/e611d1e7-2200-4651-b727-e3f7f9f68551

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/bdf02f4b-7449-4bf0-b129-de5106ece7e1

I was going through old stuff and found an alt version of a song I put on my first album

v2 was still so decent

that song became this

https://youtu.be/dBypbWk7BXU?si=zurNgxq5LqkJMf_5

also v2

[junior rivet]

Am trying both UDIO and SUNO and see UDIO has nice terms for now considering it's free for now, but still a bit of bugs here and there and lacking sought features by advanced creators who use a DAW... what am paying attention between both are features mainly and the copyright license... very promising and am sure others are gonna jump into the arena with their own offerings...

[west hull]

i wish udio didn't have the weird 32s segment thing

or at least

gave you the option to just have one track

that's longer

but otherwise I much prefer the music it produces to suno

[frank panther]

udio's terms are they own your music...
not sure how that is 'nice terms'

[junior rivet]

from the term of service 6.3 Your Content

In connection with your use of the Services, you may be able to post, upload, or submit content and other information owned and controlled by you (such as your Input Content) on or through the Services (“Your Content”). As between the Company and you, the Company does not claim any ownership in Your Content, including any Output generated by you in response to the submission of your Input Content to the Services, provided that the Company or its affiliates or their respective licensors own and will continue to own the Services and any and all other software or technology that was used to generate any Output. Subject to your compliance with these Terms, including, without limitation, Section 6.4, you may use your Output for both personal and commercial purposes, and we permit you to download a copy of your Output that consists of an audio file for such purposes.

[scarlet scarab]

guysss, not question about suno but about music on platforms like spotify, yt - what genres are most liked, most viewed by people and which are most popular?

[orchid gust]

whoops look like someone deleted there lastest creation:)

[orchid gust]

any modern rubbish that use repeat beats and drum loops 🙂

eg rap, hip hop ,trash in other words written by talentless street urichings that can't be bothered to learn to write/compose music who running around in street gangs to make them self look cool 🙂

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/oxHFyzeRw5G5HwKzHmabDf

[vale lake]

lol, you mean like almost all poets throughout history?

Like, Poe famously died basically strung out on a park bench

drinking lean

[orchid gust]

i can't put my udio version here has it only a pg 13 server , and they don't know nothing about the birds and the bees yet 🙂

[eager lichen]

Anyone tried Udios beta yet? I mean I'm not paying pro monthly anymore on Suno I'll tell you that. I'm just so amazed by it so far

[tight nest]

I'm using udio

and Its in a lot of ways better xD

[eager lichen]

@tight nest what do you think?

[tight nest]

the important one: quality

[eager lichen]

Exactly

Thank you

[tight nest]

in my opinion suno creat always very crips voice, destroyed a lot of times songs

[eager lichen]

I mean it's got a way to go yet with hoe Suno is presented but if this is just the udio beta then I'm really excited for what its going to bring

How' not hoe 🤦‍♂️

[stark quiver]

Made the jump myself over to Udio and while I much prefer the options given to us by Suno I am finding the Quality of Udio is better than Suno on the music I am creating. But having these two great sites I see as a bonus for us all.

[small talon]

Ok I figured everyone saw udio... here's my 2 cents.. holy sh*t.

[stark quiver]

My two cents was holy fucking shit

[small talon]

pretty insane

[stark quiver]

It just sounds so much crisper cleaner. God why can these two sites not just combine into one.

[small talon]

thinking for Suno to get there is gona have to be at version 8 or something.. hopefully competition makes suno team get into the requests a little bit more aggressively cose no way they can compete with that sound right now

[vale lake]

is the Russian userbase that big

or are we just that botted

[stark quiver]

here is what I am working on atm on Udio.

[ebon flax]

Haha very true!!!

[hybrid yacht]

One of the first gens I did on Udio. Tina Turner?

[small talon]

that sounds bananas.. in a complete dif stile I got this.. still a little dirty but those vocals arrangements are fucking pristine

sorry.. i got the wrong file

[hybrid yacht]

I should make a Tina Turner album having two songs sounding like her lol

[stark quiver]

I like that

[torpid sage]

My first Udio gen (nerdy shit, I tend to exclusively do stuff relating to my tabletop games). The style isn't what I was going for, but I ended up really like it.

[stark quiver]

I also tested Symphonic metal and well it gave me this. Suno can do it but not as close yet.

[strange gorge]

You guys tried flipping the 'Manual Mode' switch on?

That seems to be THE way to get it to follow your style requests more and steer it out of bland pop-like stuff

[stark quiver]

Yer tried it on a few I like it. Sadly Udio has gone offline.

[strange gorge]

It just came back up for me :v

Messing with it last night and that's how you can get live performance style out of it

[torpid sage]

Oh, I have not, I completely forgot about it, even though I meant to use it, I just kinda forgot. I'll have to when gens are back up.

[strange gorge]

If you don't flip manual mode Udio will refine the live sound out

[hoary wind]

Did some testing earlier. Weirdly Udio output SOUNDS like it's 192kbps MP3 or lower but a spectogram shows it is what 320kbps is expected to be

[small talon]

so you do just select manual mode and write the same promt you would have in not manual mode?

[strange gorge]

That's what I've been doing yeah, since Udio will change your prompt it gives to the model if you don't

[vale lake]

this is true for Suno as well, in case anyone wasn't doing that

always go manual

https://suno.com/song/55b6e5d4-5c36-46f6-9ab9-713e0ef26463

I did these two gens today

to show how Suno goes toe to toe when you focus down fidelity

https://suno.com/song/378f8e02-8aa6-44b8-8ccd-87b270c66870

[strange gorge]

always be chasing clarity is my suno motto

[vale lake]

these ones you get the string sounds

etc

like, the whine of hands level of acoustic fidelity

[torpid sage]

Suno's manual mode isn't as subtle in UI, so it is super easy to forget the tick in Udio in my experience.

[strange gorge]

yeah

[torpid sage]

Though admittedly user error, an option to keep it ticked would be nice in the future.

[strange gorge]

Man it's just so easy to get clarity out of Udio

[vale lake]

not so easy to get compelling audio though

[torpid sage]

I'm not a big audiophile, but I find it plenty to my tastes. Though that is the subjectivity of music.

[vale lake]

like, I'm still using it when I don't have suno creds

[final lynx]

https://suno.com/song/ef615063-f1ed-4977-ad12-acd4f3373a84

[vale lake]

but the difference in intent and direction

is bog

big

[torpid sage]

Hopefully when Suno doubles down on clarity, I can more fairly judge the two. But for now all I can hear going back to Suno is the muddy sound, and not how much more compelling the music is, but I'll take your word for it.

I find that my Udio songs sound better, but that may be user error, Udio may just be easier for the layman to get songs they want, since it has better (in my opinion) lyric generation.

At the very least I go into less work to get something I want, given my inability to write compelling lyrics.

[strange gorge]

and going just with music I'm having easier success with Udio despite it being weird and janky

[torpid sage]

Though I will remain a financial supporter of Suno, since I think they have a good business model, and I am hopeful the competition helps them retrn to the top of the list.

[torpid sage]

I have not had jank in my experience, what parts? Or do you just mean service and the occasional UI hiccup, had plenty of those.

Their team is definitely floundering under the success.

[vale lake]

so, I thought the same thing at first. But the more I've used it and listened back on them, the more I see a huge difference. Like, I hear them and I'm like "that sounds good!"

I never find myself compulsively listening to my own udio music though.

like, the suno music is good enough that I get it stuck in my head and want to go listen

but maybe that's just me

it also may very well be the genre

[slender wraith]

Just done a few generations coming from UDIO for a bit, and Suno is definitely more creative, if they can fix the quality to match UDIO it would be amazing. I find myself head nodding more with the Suno creations, though they definitely use more autotune sounding voices.

[vale lake]

Suno is supposed to be bad at metal

and udio is way better

for that

[torpid sage]

Yeah, same, I mostly don't go back to Udio music, like. If I am in the car, the only time I have found myself playing AI music is when my wife asked to hear a joke song I made at one point while driving.

[strange gorge]

Can't generate Udio tracks fast enough, simply don't have the music to listen to HEH

[vale lake]

yea, the suno music though? On Spotify averages 12.111 streams per listener

meaning

they like it

and I find myself going back and even listening to some v2

gens

now and then

[strange gorge]

Oh I can't do v2 anymore

[vale lake]

same, it's inferior imo

but they were better than I remember

[strange gorge]

I mean even listen to gens I thought were great

[vale lake]

like 1 or 2

[foggy moon]

https://suno.com/song/66160a57-96b0-4ec9-a2de-54245c601f3f

[torpid sage]

I will admit I al pretty closed of in genres that may be bad on Udio. I listen to a lot of stuff (mostly folk-punk and classic rock), but do not listen to much modern pop, and don't like rap. I imagine Udio may be bad at those, given just how it feels when listening to the songs.

[vale lake]

classic rock Usio is probably better at, I haven't done much of it on Suno, I've done mostly experimental Goth type stuff and mixed genre

[torpid sage]

I certainly can't find myself going back to Suno music on easy listens. Again, not much of an audiophile, but the quality hurts me, and it often doesn't make something I like.

[vale lake]

you said you like folk punk?

what, like Rasputin?

rasputina

or where does that land

[torpid sage]

It can make some pretty get folk-rock as well, or midwest emo folk. I think you had a song on Udio with the same lyrics as hollow on your Suno list, it was what made me try Udio actually.

[vale lake]

yea, i did

wasn't complete

but I remember that one

[foggy moon]

idk, i made a pretty good metal song

[torpid sage]

More like AJJ, or Mountain Goats.

[foggy moon]

https://suno.com/song/3c92f73e-a12a-4c42-afda-28b2e4dbbe3c

good metal

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/6ee810e3-5066-436f-900c-322e6b596eda

I think that might be too poppy tho

[torpid sage]

I also quite like your Unrefined Echoes cause it sounds a lot like MAl Blum.

[vale lake]

for you

classic rock elements in here tho

https://suno.com/song/97c65450-4564-430c-8687-74cee0c66799

however, it's mixed genre

and takes advantage of decay

in the model

to create a kind of musical drip

drop

[torpid sage]

It has a good beat to it, I'm not super against it, but it is a little off my tastes. Mind I don't hate all pop. I just have a lot less that I find to me tastes.

I think my most "disliked" genre is rap, but I still have like, 5 songs that are the exception. Mostly older 90s rap though.

[torpid sage]

Yeah, this one is nice.

[foggy moon]

you like older rap?

https://suno.com/song/aa280bfd-e132-4932-918e-14cb3f12cff7

[vale lake]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0OPv101bKZo59dnAORVdpV?si=Z6__1sfaRpG8zK1PGZzAzQ&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A2z3tPbsG8FlIY8N6Dwuptx

personally this one is the best I've made on here, but it's slowcore

or closer

to slowcore

but like, nothing comes close to some of those, from udio

And to be fair, it's hard for us to properly tell WHAT people are making

on suno

bc the explore really only showcases oddities

and Russian

whereas Udio has a lot more showcasing

like, there has to be other people on suno

making like, postmodern indie rock

[torpid sage]

Oh, prolly one of yours that's up there for me. I like this kind of thing as well.

[vale lake]

or even just alternative rock

I like how offtopic

has become the real chat

[foggy moon]

true

[vale lake]

or rather "old timer"

[foggy moon]

guys want a laugh? https://suno.com/song/a90acc78-1482-4579-a0b9-dbe214f88ee3

[torpid sage]

I made like, one song that isn't just Tabletop game related, or a joke song to mess with my wife, and it was pretty nice. My lyrics for it are ass. I thought my ability to write would translate well into lyrics. It does not. But I did what I could with some ai assistance, and it came out to almost something I'd listen to in the car.

https://suno.com/song/53a57e35-1475-445e-ab25-8c953b56c48f

[vale lake]

yea, the ballad of gentle orc one

[torpid sage]

I'd have to agree. I don't really use Udio's homescreen to be fair, but it is a lot better than Suno's at least.

[vale lake]

udio does that stuff a lot betyter

the classic rock type stuff like this

[torpid sage]

Yeah, though I posted that by mistake.

haha

[vale lake]

yea, this is what it's for imo, getting music that tells a story YOU like

[torpid sage]

It really does though, as demostrated by the only other songs I really finished on Udio are of a similar (and nerdy) vein.

[proud totem]

There’s over three of us!

[vale lake]

I will likely use ai assisted writing once I run out of material

maybe earlier

I don't think it's good enough to do it itself yet

but if you could have it spam basically possibilities

from a given point

and then build the lyrics the same way we do suno songs

j could probably make something better than my own ppems

poems

since that's the actual method I essentially use

when editing

for the last 20 years

except it's easier to appraise when its produced by the machine

[vale lake]

post your profile

I need

https://tenor.com/view/go-on-gollum-my-precious-gif-10877364535161632621

[proud totem]

Im kidding

And im not releasing on Suno

[torpid sage]

I will say, I appreciate that in Udio I can just dump things into the prompt. This is an example. I use one of my personally played character's backstories - compared to the rest which are my player's character - which is a good handful of google doc pages, and just dumped it into Udio, and got this. Was my second song there.

But the ability to do this is nice, for someone not great at lyrics, and pretty shit at AI prompting. It follows the timeline of events pretty well, and only took me a handful on gens to get something I was happy with.

But this is yet again rock, though operatic, something Udio does well, as we established.

[vale lake]

yea, you can just add more and more which is nice

[vestal hatch]

Hi comrades!
Is anyone else having trouble with the text?
The text is black and is not visible until you select it with the mouse.

[fossil mesa]

copy text -> press "ctrl + shift + v" and see if it pastes as plaintext

[torpid sage]

I added it all at once here, which is probably the most impressive part. But I agree adding it in waves would have been better and likely used less gens. But I wanted to see what the program could do.

[vale lake]

I think it's a great idea, half of what I do is testing/finding the edges of the program

[torpid sage]

I do though, appreciate the way extensions work in Udio though.

[vale lake]

yea, that's nice

[torpid sage]

The ability to change the prompt, or add more to it, if you don't want it to use something too early.

[vale lake]

I really think general inpainting

would be the best solution

where you can select a section, and it regenerates

[vestal hatch]

After this, the text is inserted, but is still invisible until selected with the mouse 😦

[torpid sage]

Yeah, that would be a very useful tool.

The amount of times I get a great gen, except that one fucking part.

[fossil mesa]

i got nothin else that comes to mind

[proud totem]

Id kill for that, especially in multitrack format.

[vestal hatch]

Thanks anyway 🙂

[torpid sage]

Another great tool would be style locking, to keep a voice or song motif for another gen.

[proud totem]

Refresh and do the ctrl shift paste. Sounds like you pasted some text with color info

[vestal hatch]

Yeah
Or pause inserting, when you want the singer to wait

[torpid sage]

Can you not do that? I have found a good amount of success.

With stuff like [Pause], [Silence], [Paused Silence].

[vestal hatch]

I am writing text in a text field on a website

[torpid sage]

Though I have only tested it on Udio.

[vestal hatch]

Oh, I didn't know that was possible. Thank you

[proud totem]

Paused silence 😂

[torpid sage]

Look, you get the ai to listen anyway you can.

[vestal hatch]

Silenced pause 🙂

[torpid sage]

The amount of nouns I had to spell with hyphens.

Haha.

[proud totem]

I get it, its just a terribly illiterate AI 😂

[vale lake]

I think we'll get it at some point, I don't see why not. The tech is there.

[proud totem]

I wonder if the training data is there or only the studios will be able to make something good, proper multitracks arent very common

And some genres would be heavily over represented

[torpid sage]

Another thing I think both Suno and Udio would benefit from, but especially Udio: For extensions, they need to be auto-placed into a folder or something. Again, the is especially egregious on Udio. Due to the lack of automatic cover art, and similar names, makes it so you eventually can get quite lost if you end up doing several extensions of the same song.

[vale lake]

not sure, but inpainting, minimally, should be possible already

you really just need a controlnet equivalent

for audio

now, it may be there are additional hurdles to that

I don't know about

but it seems possible

[proud totem]

Udio/Suno dont use the architecture that supports controlnet type guidance. Only Sonauto does, since it uses diffusion. Udio/Suno are built on transformers IIUC

So im not sure controlnet is possible without them making an architectural breakthrough

[foggy moon]

https://suno.com/song/022acc79-edd2-4da5-9a1a-00d4e2b59c34 splshy fishy

[vale lake]

yea that and it being very hard to tell what you liked

like, it doesn't update properly

[vale lake]

oh interesting, I didn't know that

I mean it's my understanding diffusion is the future

[torpid sage]

Yeah, I have found this part always updates fine for me, on my creations.

But this part updates like, 2 days later.

Which is exceedingly funny, and frustrating.

[small talon]

impossible to get this in Suno...

wait for the drop lol

[modest bear]

Hey guys... question... im guessing you can collaborate making a song using the "Extend from" if I share the Chirp?

[hoary wind]

Eh i think it's OK, especially for a beta.

[stark quiver]

well that is your opinion mine is more the merrier competion is always welcome.

[frigid cipher]

Udio sound is so overcompressed I'm starting to think people are confusing loudness with sound quality

[polar snow]

I have the same feeling about Suno when it comes to epic music. Udio is just on another level. Suno can generate an interesting epic cinematic track, but you need luck, and even then, Suno tracks sound 'thin' compared to Udio.

[torpid sage]

I think it really depends on the genre you want. For everything I like to listen to, Udio sounds leagues better, but I have seen examples of genres that Suno prevails in.

[polar snow]

Exactly

I'm waiting for Suno v4

[stuck sentinel]

It's illegal to upload music with this, right? I'm afraid

[torpid sage]

For what?

[stuck sentinel]

It's going to be an avalanche

ahah

[torpid sage]

I'm not sure what you are referring to.

Uploading what to where?

[stuck sentinel]

Type of digital stores as if they were for artists

[crisp fern]

From your experience, how good is Udio with creative genre mixing & recognizing some more obscure genres/instruments? If that’s something you’ve experimented with.

[torpid sage]

It's all in their TOS, if you are a free user the copyright is Suno's, otherwise it is yours. I recommend reading it for exact details, it is all very concise.

[stuck sentinel]

I mean they aren't monetizing anything yet, is it just for creativity or not?

But there are only free users

in tha beta

[torpid sage]

You didn't specify, I assumed you meant Suno due to this being a Suno Discord.

They also have a TOS though, which explains their copyright.

[stuck sentinel]

sorry I was confusing tools

thanks for the clarifications ! luxu

[torpid sage]

I've not experimented as such I've kept my stuff fairly grounded within a handful of genres, none on which are bizarre.

I've mostly done operatic rock, folk-punk, and bardic styles so far, as I like to recreate tabletop experiences in music for fun, and to goof around with my players.

[slow holly]

Worked a lot on these lyrics, check it out:
https://suno.com/song/f38f7673-fb9a-4f38-a8a0-484e55a18297

[crisp fern]

Ah okay thanks. And good choices!

[vale lake]

oh boy

https://www.udio.com/songs/og8k98W3FHcCDLp1emDRYv

[burnt rapids]

well the suno does better music in some cases and udio in othersm suno can make better beat but struggle like crazy with quality 😦

[hardy lava]

I'm starting to think it's impossible for AI to recreate deathcore. It's the only genre I literally can't find anything for

[crisp fern]

Suno is weird with metal in general when it comes to distinguishing between sub genres.

[hardy lava]

True, from my experience typing anything related to metal just makes it bring up power metal. Which I genuinely hate, but I get some people like it

That and forget trying to make it do blast beats 🤣 thing will implode

[crisp fern]

Yup that has happened to me a lot too. My best guess is because power metal generally has cleaner vocals which it handles better if you have anything in the lyrics section.

[vale lake]

I mean

[hardy lava]

It does Emo Grunge extremely well though

[tropic pasture]

I’ve tried extensively to make “pure” Rock songs for like 3 months now - with no success - Until now - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0rz8RoKDCU (I was going for a fusion beginning… it landed a little too R&B… but that’s my signature…so)

[hardy lava]

I see what you mean, honestly it's not that bad

https://suno.com/song/1884bdc5-57c2-4751-b284-72bc4fcaab91 here's my example of how great this works with Grunge (lyrics will be confusing if you don't play don't starve lmfao)

[floral mauve]

Off topic cat

[novel wadi]

Beautiful.

[floral mauve]

I'll upgrade it

Off topic cats

[novel wadi]

Just when I thought it couldn't get better, now theres two.

[floral mauve]

I'd make it three but these two are enough trouble as is

[west hull]

heres a third

[novel wadi]

maer

[west hull]

mreaur

accurate subtitle

[glacial mica]

@floral mauve cute

[leaden beacon]

I love the sound of udio but two things are holding it back for me.. I'm trying to make musicals of things like Elden Ring, and suno comes up with great tracks but udio 100% has only speaking voices when I use the keyword musical, no matter what other keywords I use. I can't get it to both sound like a musical and have mostly singing. secondly, not being able to continue from a timestamp kind of ruins it for me since I'm so selective about what parts I keep. I'm sure in a year from now both of these services will be amazing though and have little downsides

[floral mauve]

Adorable

[west hull]

just need to go see miyazaki in person and ask

[glacial mica]

🥲😂

[west hull]

as are yours

[crisp fern]

I see this is a cat channel now

[west hull]

not if i throw a shlawg in here too

[floral mauve]

Thanks

One more for the new cat channel

Bad lighting included

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/talkingtrek-dj-dancing-cat-dancing-cat-gif-22585758

[floral mauve]

Forgot to turn off the flash and now he has one green ey3

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/oKnD8jxW7XjcQttyaQeEoo

generated by mistral moe

not my comedy

[strange gorge]

Nobody answered you, but yes. This is completely possible

[ivory gust]

Heh... Udio doesn't even work in Firefox.

[west hull]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drift-catdrift-gif-16095187850320735968

I taught my cat to drive!

[graceful swan]

huh I was using it earlier in firefox werid

[ivory gust]

i kept trying to reload in various ways and what not. no donut. but it works in Edge.

[bold veldt]

too Tiger Lillies-esque?
https://www.udio.com/songs/npXsiShBR9SKz6itaoak2h

[lapis latch]

how in the world did you get those vocals!!!!! this is perfection! NAILED IT

[bold veldt]

I think it's because it is very niche

and that the tiger lillies are prolific in it

[lapis latch]

sure, but those vocals are so accurate! It's impressive

[bold veldt]

It scared me when it made it....but it couldnt manage to do wretching!

[lapis latch]

I love it! My sister used to put Tiger Lillies on in the music store when she wanted people to leave

[bold veldt]

I've seen them live in London - amazing. They are an acquired taste though

[lapis latch]

Yeah for sure! I wish I could have seen them live!!!

[ivory gust]

Oh wait, it's Udio

i was just about to ask where the choir went. 😄

[lapis latch]

I'd like to see Gogol Bordello live too... has anyone made anything with a gypsy punk genre?

[ivory gust]

Udio doesn't know any of the genres i tried... until i went for "Blues". that one it knew at least.

[frank panther]

Sorry I missed this
Yes have a look at https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1221135437230379048
it is almost 25min

[vale lake]

wordless comedy:

https://www.udio.com/songs/f9BW6YXtSFxBkEMuu71FfR

[graceful swan]

hm seems like udio knows russian hardbass... if that's a useful information... I don't know

[ivory gust]

Suno v3 turning voices into a choir half-way through the song is so predictable that I might as well anticipate it in my text: https://suno.com/song/ebc170f0-b04e-4f7d-b86e-67fee54be18b

[austere helm]

Any tips on getting a Halestorm sounding song out of Udio? (i.e. a voice similar to Lizzie Hale) or even on Suno

[opal gulch]

https://suno.com/song/d7f38de1-e535-4bb9-9220-5301d3d40c98

its so fucking good

and in first try

[west hull]

Ah when we still post udio in here I'm in. Got to make some lyrics that make sense tho... it's been a while 😄

[fallow turret]

https://suno.com/song/e3c91eec-e918-4eb8-99a8-1732a0739a5f

A song about how I own too many clothes but I still want to go shopping and can't resist a sale

The ability to throw whatever random grievance I have into suno and get a song out of it is incredibly therapeutic

Eurobeat song about how at my new job the morning meetings are at 7:30 and I've never had to wake up this early so it's really hard, but at least no one turns their camera on so I can wear my pajamas

Bam, song

2024 folks

[west hull]

found that if your prompt is lyricsrelated you get text anyway, had New Orleans Carnatic and instrumental, it would always talk or sing

did you get special effects some time? tried a lot but not much. [gunshot] can get close and a few times it showed stuff. For vocal sounds I tried a lot like Wow, yeehaw, bowchickawowow, and I find that wow in rockgenres rules, but make more vocals and it will be ignored. like woooow. Yodel is a total fail, it's just not there yet I guess. Overall I'm totally in love with the vocals, but make it a decent song? work... now I made lyrics for the chat propmt 😄

[winter spindle]

https://www.udio.com/songs/kejJdztjJaWa3irwSHfG3c

[fallow turret]

https://suno.com/song/c4c3223a-5a07-49d1-a320-c3a8e4ce57a9

[west hull]

https://www.udio.com/songs/2SV6wzLXxvwkYGz7rVM1Uk

[long peak]

someone please help how can u make song longer than 2 minutes

[long peak]

How do you create a song longer than 2 minutes r u using paid version

[hardy lava]

This isn't off topic, buuuuuuuuuut all you do is click "extend"

[languid prawn]

Listen to this song guys 🤭 https://suno.com/song/b4d9e87e-728d-4ad7-b1ea-eb78236c29e3

[mystic ruin]

A rave song. I thought it was pretty good. Just wanted to share. https://suno.com/song/702e9fff-bb1d-48fb-978e-4bbe688b2ee0

[languid prawn]

*Is it just me, or do the generated songs tend to get views right after I publish them, but then they taper off?

Also, if you could, would you consider giving a like to all my songs on my profile to help increase their visibility? Thanks! https://suno.com/song/b4d9e87e-728d-4ad7-b1ea-eb78236c29e3*

[mystic ruin]

Just liked it, brother.

Hyperpop about loneliness. https://suno.com/song/e844e12a-00df-49af-b76a-5c66e761eff4

[languid prawn]

Thanks so much, brother:))

[radiant spoke]

Suno all the way up

[fallow turret]

why is everything on suno neon

[high compass]

ask the Choir 😉

[pale dragon]

neon?

I'm lost

I'm here to get new tracks suggestions

Any takers?

[dusty reef]

Yes

Check gala music streaming platform

it'll be worth it

I'm more into the token though

$MUSIC

I'm all in with $MUSIC tokens on All Access! The idea of using tokens to prove my loyalty and potentially get exclusive access is thrilling.

you might wanna have a look guys

[pale dragon]

wow!

so much hype man

Thanks

[fallow turret]

the word neon just seems to come up a lot

https://suno.com/song/a09b1b4f-c779-4763-830d-e12f76beec42

in case you ever had wanted to listen to a rap song written in japanese about system design theory

[outer tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3ATiwd3nkg

[opal gulch]

nah, its just one button here

and then you have this

try a bit playing with this, good understanding to have

[hardy lintel]

Bye Bye Movie Score -Composer 😸 https://suno.com/song/454d2690-76f2-47d8-b8fc-8c9132e72e92 https://suno.com/playlist/899aa4b4-d76d-4a12-8f24-d9176ef480b7

[tame snow]

Hi, I made an album dedicated to a D&D game I used to play with some friends so the genre is usually power metal although I also experimented with other genres. In case you like to listen to it and give your opinion.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSqE9hNGDoliuOLivgKLcQNVgCejHesvZ&si=Ck5vUeHalp3KMupP

[fallow turret]

Holy moly

I asked it to write me a disco love song in SQL queries and it really did it

https://suno.com/song/8881e476-92a3-41ab-88a8-3848cc7578cc

[grim idol]

the transformation is perfectly timed in that one, love it.
btw just in case you aren't trying it, the simplest choir adaptation I have found is probably the most effective, which is just to avoid [chorus] tags. often does not work but it overall can help and sometimes a lot. Tried it on your prompt and it overall much less choiry-y even when it didn't fully remove it:
https://suno.com/song/8058cda3-ba93-4495-bd66-e54d0bcda36f

(sample size 8, 4 each way: https://suno.com/playlist/6622f7c6-edc0-41d3-af67-27aee7afb022)

Yeah absolutely. It's pretty chaotic in the sense that even small changes can have huge effects, like even just one second difference could make things generate very different.

[high compass]

I tried "refrain" instead of chorus, but it didn't make a difference. I even burned credits making a song which didn't mention other people, choirs, extra volume, or anything else that might be interpreted by the engine as a "oh!oh!The User wants a choir!! Let me Oblige!" trigger and it didn't make a difference. It's genre, gender, lyrical volume and speed specific though. fast songs with clear stringed instruments with relatively long lyrics (jazz or rock songs) sung by a male voice are impossible to get without choir. Synth heavy song sung by a female voice are okay'ish. Still a lot of reverb and chorus, but it doesn't detract too much as it fits the style and the reverb. slow to mid-tempo Pop or hiphop songs, female voice work relatively fine. Again the occasional chorus effect fits with the genre and the instruments used (also, we're all used to heavy autotune in commercial pop songs anyway)

[grim idol]

Yeah it doesn't always work for sure. But it is always worth trying (or just starting your song with [refrain] instead) because sometimes it works quite well.

I have no found a specific style word that helps very much. The only style thing I know helps is 'more unique longer prompts' in a very general ways seems to make it less likely.

[high compass]

yeps. What MIGHT work (which I didn't try yet) is to split the lyrics in short (4 lines) parts and generate only those 4 lines, then extend from that. THe first 4 lines of lyrics are generally super clear (much better voice than V3a to be honest) ... you can be that on the 5th line an extra voice will be added and that it will go full choir by line 8.

[grim idol]

I think I tested adding a fake chorus at end (after all your real lyrics) so the song would never get to it, but it didn't help much. Or at least using [refrain] seemed better. But not sure

[high compass]

an example : https://suno.com/song/7538e53d-1fe3-4595-a521-ab24987d19b8

(wet circuits was telling me that my prompts were too complex)

[outer tulip]

When you want to do something in photoshop that you figure is 1-2 steps, it's usually 10-15 steps.

[grim idol]

I'll test it quick, as I am procrastinating on really boring work...

[outer tulip]

How dumb does photoshop have to be? When you make a selection in one image, you can't use that in a different image tab.

[trim quest]

https://suno.com/song/0e361f65-787f-4bdf-8156-92290804d5bf

[ivory gust]

@grim idol wow, thanks for the heads-up. Oddly enough you still had a [Chorus] tag left in several places, and yet you got a lot of non-choir successed. I'm definately gonna try using [Refrain] instead of [Chorus] and see if that helps.

[grim idol]

Sometimes it makes literally no difference, but sometimes it swings things quite a bit, but I have no idea what is different when it works or doesn't

[ivory gust]

yeah it's all statistics

Hmm, right now i just get this:

Maybe the server is overloaded. And I wrote a song about that (only the voice is AI): 😄

Oh, i got it unstuck now.

hmm. getting choir/reverb/fuzzy voics still, despite using [Refrain] instead of [Chorus] in these first few tests.

ohh... got a good one

but it sure takes more tries than i did with v3alpha or v2 for that matter

[grim idol]

A few simple tweaks but indeed, no tweak stood out as making a difference. Very tentatively the best success was extending the song from a clear voice specifically using a blank style prompt in the extension, but with a small sample this isn't really evidence that blank style extensions improve things. (all tests https://suno.com/playlist/06bb8e84-f0b1-4fa4-b564-5ceaa8253db8)
https://suno.com/song/8667a5f2-ad54-446d-a5ee-964d10dbbfdd (reasonably decent blank extension)

[ivory gust]

i'm definately gonna stick to using [Refrain] for now, because it makes sense that it would pull the bot less in the multi-voice direction

i've tried that too, but the choir effect usually increases during the song, so even starting out well is really not a guarantee.

in fact, must best work-around so far has been to do the first part in v3, then extend using v2 (which does better voices), and then maybe finish up using v3.

[grim idol]

it doesn't seem impossible that blank style, lack of style is vaguely less like a standard song structure so less likely trend towards a big chorus like if you ran 1000 tests maybe starting a song with your style prompt then immediately continuing with lyrics but a blank style could reduce odds.

[ivory gust]

For a rap voice, the choir effect is really a no-go, and i'm having much more luck by simply sticking to v2 entirely. Example:

i haven't experimented enough with a blank style btw.

oh, and that's danish rap btw. 😅 not a case of wrong pronounciation.

i just tried two times [blank style], and got a choir in both cases.

(pop-rock both times)

on that rap example, it does say [Chorus] btw, and yes, it does a chorus. but only for those parts.

[graceful swan]

"realistic" soundstage prompt test (careful it screams)

[ivory gust]

the stereo is much too wide. it's not mono compatible.

on that soundstage test there

awesome drumming though 😄

[graceful swan]

I mean that was kind of the point of the testing to get something wider than normal suno output

[ivory gust]

ohhh! well you sure got something wide there 😄

[graceful swan]

slightly wide

[ivory gust]

people listening in mono will hear the drums being louder than the guitars.
people listening in stereo will probably hear the drums being softer than the guitars.

[high compass]

At first I thought it was german and that I was having a brainstroke because I couldn't understand anything 😛

[ivory gust]

ha ha

[ivory gust]

Cryptomedic: The Sea Ballad is my favorite of those. 👍

[pale harbor]

спс

[west hull]

vˈas ˈɪst dˈɑː lˈoːs??

[high compass]

you can use German directly ... works fine

[west hull]

catch the fish?

[high compass]

that moment when Youtube suggestions are actually good :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp-8USQQc1Q

That's the complete opposite of Songs generated with Suno or Udio, put on a RunwayML/Sora/Noisee MV ...

The MV was recorded on VHS (no idea how they sourced tapes in 2024) and they are actually playing their instruments 😉

[brave thorn]

So, been messing with Udio a lot. I see a lot of headlines "Udio is now THE BEST"... I just think Suno still has something special going on. Suno's model generates songs that are way more "catchy", "Addictive", "get stuck in your head" "ear worms". While Udio definitely has some things that are better (sound quality not getting muddled), Udio's songs are just not that catchy (for the most part). Maybe after 50 generations, you get something ok-ish. But in just a few gens on Suno, there are some really great songs with good intros, hooks, structure, etc. Suno can still be the top music generator. The core of what they have going on is great. Keep up the good work. Improve the quality and all that. You guys will be killing it! The competition is great. Both services have things that are stronger. We are living in some fun times. I am looking forward to the next models (from both companies)

[ivory gust]

Udio doesn't know very many genres.

I tried multiple different ones, ended up trying simply "Blues" before i got something recognizable.

Whereas Suno knows pretty surprising things like even "soukous" - a style from Congo. Example (sorry to anyone who speaks french):

not a perfect result (it's a bit too "schlager" like), but it's not far off.

[high compass]

try "Zouk"

[ivory gust]

oh, good point

[high compass]

I lived a long time in Martinique 😉

[ivory gust]

hah!

[high compass]

also : I HATE Zouk 😛

[ivory gust]

LMAO!!!

i don't know why i have a soft spot for that stuff. maybe the exotic and tropical feel makes me forget the cold scandinavian weather.

[high compass]

when it's all that everyone around you plays and your "normal" mood/mode is more akin to semi-dressed Frazetta lady up there, Zouk can be particularly grating 😉

but here ... to heat up your cold scandinavian heart (technically that's Guadeloupe Zouk and not Martiniquais ... but /shrug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G02YNxLk7g

(one of the few Zouk songs I actually like 😉

[ivory gust]

probably close enough for someone like me 😅

it's slightly different from what i know as Congo "soukous"

slower

[high compass]

yeah ... which is probably why I like it 😛

[ivory gust]

less silly tempo changes

he he

but definately very similar in nature

[high compass]

but my guess is that Zouk might be more present in the engine's training as it's listened to a lot in France

[ivory gust]

yeah, i wonder what the data set was.

[placid minnow]

Hello, the other day I asked the group about recommended music distribution companies and was told about ditto music. I've been looking into them but I also wanted to ask again if anyone else has any other suggestion for music distribution companies that play well with AI generated content or that they're successfully using with Suno generated music. Thank you.

[ivory gust]

Off the top of my head, there's tunecore, distrokid, lablworx