🗣️┃chill-chat

[runic depot]

That tells me that "bon matsuri" makes sense to the LLM

and yet

suno fails "bon matsuri" too, but nowhere near as hard as this

[grim idol]

I like trying classic terms like 'fugue, baroque, martial' with a few electronic words:
https://suno.com/song/0f162dae-c040-4585-b23c-dbedb7485c8d
https://suno.com/song/cc5602a9-1fc1-4476-8048-93438ee2fbcf

@runic depot Oh check 1:50+ on that second clip for some cool stereo vibes (I think that particular segment is V2 actually) https://suno.com/song/cc5602a9-1fc1-4476-8048-93438ee2fbcf

[runic depot]

Interesting how you use the morse code to induce nonsense lyrics

[grim idol]

I think you normally don't really need it, as long as you have "vocals" or related words in the style prompt. But I happened to be trying it here.

[runic depot]

I can't test very much because udio is so slow, but I think I found something that is in suno's training and not udio's

[supple bay]

hey guys i need some help i want to know that does songs generatd by suno.ai get monetised on youtube or not ?

[grim idol]

Yes on any Suno plan that is not the free plan.

[supple bay]

@grim idol i have a paid plan. Will my channel be eligible for monetisation ?

[grim idol]

I can't speak for YouTube, but you are good as far as Suno is concerned at that point.

[supple bay]

@grim idol do you have any channel or songs from which you are earning?

[grim idol]

Sorry, I have a YouTube but I don't monetize it. Or remember that I have it for years at a time lol.

[dry sluice]

She threatened to time him out because he was confused? That's unprofessional if you ask me

That's really annoying

[vale lake]

virtuoso tends to produce extremely fast stuff

https://suno.com/song/8ccabb3f-416c-47a8-a324-864a5acda57e

like, bow fast we trying to go?

[dry sluice]

Clearly you did! You had no idea what he was saying in Spanish. Vito did though. Unprofessional message. Can't believe this server came to this 😓

[grim idol]

I think the user had gotten this from Suno
https://suno.com/song/e7a4780a-ccb4-41e8-a591-306717db827f
But they are aiming for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0kc50OdmqA

I couldn't get a bassline in particular to be that fast

[dry sluice]

And they left because of that. Great

[vale lake]

hmm, hmm

I have some ideas, but that's a toughie

[grim idol]

I think I did match overall speed but only as basically a pure chiptune, not that close to the youtube song genre

off-topic, ironically, seems to end up having the most technical Suno prompting discussions lol

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/5a1edb9b-ada4-4bf2-8b55-5a6cfa51c2a5

so you can see the pacing is coming

it's transferring it from cello to bass that will take a sec

but that's the general idea

I'm grocery shopping tho so I'll come back if it isn't resolved

[dry sluice]

At least I still have respect for Jonathan Fly and The Hepcat. At least according to what happened right there. I've been in this server for months and never had problems like that

[grim idol]

you are supposed to only prompt with FOOD WORDS while grocery shopping. i don't make the rules, just how it is.

[fathom aspen]

Yeah I've been here a month before you. It's a lovely helpful community

[proud totem]

Shots fired

[dry sluice]

Idk man

[grim idol]

the user looking for hitech trance @covert oxide so I'll ping them just in case i forget to come back and you figure out the most epic way to prompt it

[dry sluice]

Hitech me? You won't find that ☹️

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/82aeb040-3368-4418-ac48-26a932840c43

a little closer but also further. more like horizontal

[vale lake]

closer:
https://suno.com/song/7d36f1d0-fec4-457d-87b4-b5d17ddf7d92

it has moments, and alternates

it's sister is also fast

I feel like if someone had the credits, they might be able ot get there

what I did was find somewhere with a fast baseline and continue towards it's end with a prompt that has fast pace. You could likely chain this a few times to get it into a cycle

the issue then is trying to get it to maintain that while introducing more beats. I suspect you will have trouble

this one has the closest in pacing though

https://suno.com/song/82aeb040-3368-4418-ac48-26a932840c43

it's just not the right soind

[grim idol]

i might try something like spamming 'hyper' 10x, later when I am messing aroudn

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/865d3fdf-3411-4061-a4f8-d26e5c5f5290

this actually work even better

Hyper I think is more on the "bit" axjs

axis

[graceful swan]

what are we trying fast bassline?

[vale lake]

it incidentally increases pace

but ultr

ultra

I remember from Ultra-bach

it made some unlistenable stuff

[grim idol]

It was a user question here: #🗣️┃chill-chat message

[vale lake]

because the pacing was brutal

haha, I just like doing weird things users are trying to make

[graceful swan]

Alright i'll try as well later 😄

[vale lake]

and I had like 250 credits

[vale lake]

plz do

we should have little contests

like prompting contests

[graceful swan]

that would be kinda 🔥

[vale lake]

it would help the community as it would force people to share prompts

In general, I would watch watch generative AI competition lol

[graceful swan]

my latest "thing" i like doing is transfer from instrument to instrument but keep melody

[vale lake]

I just like figuring out how Suno interprets the tokens. Like, it is surprisingly context aware.

People are mistaken about certain prompts I use, they absolutely change contextually, it has much better understanding of adjectives than Udio for example

as in, in udio if I prompt, it works best with full comma separation

[graceful swan]

it 'understands' a lot yes sometimes even from the context of the song.. which can both be helpful and annoying if it's very stubborn about it's 'understanding'

[vale lake]

whereas with Suno, putting an anti- in front of two different things results in two different effects. More interestingly, it even can shift its understanding of one instrument to another. So if I have a prompt which causes a fact trembling cello, I can manipulate that into, for example, a bass with "basified anti-hyper-cello" for example (I haven't tested with particular one, but similar things have worked for me).

not right but I liiiike weirdly
https://suno.com/song/fe016507-747f-4db3-909a-2d85c7590b12

oh, and this one from earlier was accidentally a dope prompt I'll be using
https://suno.com/song/6abf8db0-a4af-40d4-b4f5-89641e3fa1af

it's basic but I enjoy

[graceful swan]

always interesting to see this kinda stuff

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/4093af9c-aa4c-435d-a617-56d8df256f48

full song

could improve the outro but it is a complete end

[graceful swan]

Am I hearing things or are there birds on the transition to this?

[grim idol]

Birds are one of the most common non-music sounds all versions of Suno music have generated. At first I thought it was something they did because the Suno Discord command was literally /chirp but probably just lots of songs use nature/bird sounds and it really is a common sound.

[vale lake]

yaaaay you can generate cover art now with custom prompts

so in the end I'd say like 1/4 of my tracks will probably make sense on Udio

Suno is better in most cases

[grim idol]

Is that a new feature? Damn that is some fast work

[graceful swan]

Oh is it finally working? Yesterday I had to work around that with doing an intro and stuffing the image "prompts" as tags.. 😄

[vale lake]

ya, they didn't even let you heart tracks for a hwile

now you can

https://www.udio.com/users/87km4cGSN9vgE5psr1SsR6

here's how you can change covers

[graceful swan]

Oh thats really cool Yesterday you could not save the cover after editing it just errored out everytime.

So I just made an intro with these Tags:

Which gave me this

[vale lake]

it errors out still

just refresh

I wish I could just add my own art

[graceful swan]

Ah yeah that did not work yesterday was always stuck with these colorful blocks as cover art

Also the auto prompt "improver" really caught me offguard.. tried to do robot standup comedy ended up with a horror movie or something
https://www.udio.com/songs/kqNjLuJuQwRiNrAuX9K8tD

[grim idol]

It is good at taking a short and boring list of tags and bulking out the list and spicing it up, but it can go very wrong. The prompt here is "an extremely fast Hitech psytrance speedcore song"

https://www.udio.com/songs/ipXRzpKhBgKEkXrr3nXTvA

[graceful swan]

Yea great if it works.. if it doesn't not so much 😄

[velvet halo]

does udio also has this bad word filter?

its kinda annoying

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/kFV5iyfojqhJBNpkbbEZeu

hahahaja

[west hull]

/Moin

[west hull]

I think the software is perfect for dialogue, only the voice interchange all day

[vale lake]

it's not bad for music either, it's just a lot more annoying

I will say their prompt fixer is inferior

to creative prompting

which is obvious, but still, not always the case

depending on how they structured/cleaned their training data

[graceful swan]

lmao started with psychedelic psytrance... it got the psychedelic alright i guess 🤷‍♂️

[vale lake]

yea, ultra does def get that speed

[graceful swan]

"drugs drugs drugs"

[vale lake]

you could try ultra-meth, as it's also semantically close to math, which also lends itself well to speed.

[winter spindle]

i feel like I get usable/high quality results more consistently from udio, and vocals tend to sounds clearer
https://www.udio.com/songs/c8oM7ZpAV9qWdP17TUaSjr

[west hull]

I'd love a sneak peek into the future to see how all of this plays out. Children prompting hologrammed cartoons on their way to school

[grim idol]

i'm in awe of the way this works as a joke and genuine suno prompting advice

[graceful swan]

the best style prompts are the ones that have a pinch of meme in it and still lead to great results

[vale lake]

like post-nasal drip

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/xv3TPpcx8nYVrSzrUYrjda

if only I had suno credits; this is actually one I made in v2 a long time ago

and also in v3

https://suno.com/song/07709510-a80d-4cf7-a764-1f474505b2bc

[grim idol]

I'll gen it for you dm me any prompts

[vale lake]

I think the v2 one is good as well

but didnt make it onto an album

[west hull]

they should give you a sponsorship already

[grim idol]

credit gifting would be cool. i'd start the Yolkhead prompting fellowship. i think i'd save credits in the long run because if I mention something he often just goes and puzzles out a solution before i even try anything.

[west hull]

they get mad input in exchange ^^

[graceful swan]

Interesting... hyper binaural violin asmrcore
https://suno.com/song/8eb3679f-3ee5-4040-9fca-b5930c9d8620

[grim idol]

i love binaural, but I wish I could find a similar prompt that didn't push the music into ambient or atmospheric genres so much. Probably not realistic but maybe songs could come out like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDTlvagjJA

[graceful swan]

Yea that was kind of my goal but did not work out like I wanted.. still interesting effects it gives

[fossil mesa]

udio just sound like a little competition so far. suno has the first mover advantage and probably a slightly more active discord... but i guess i will check there too

[graceful swan]

https://suno.com/song/8089a89e-28c4-4051-af9c-f144664a2c85

[grave sequoia]

OK, so, this has left me very conflicted. I'm a big fan of Suno and been enjoying it for months now. But Udio has a lot of pluses going for it right now. I wish the vocals were as good in Suno as they are in Udio.

[dry creek]

yeah Udio has some awesome quality

[grave sequoia]

https://www.udio.com/songs/teBRaxvZVUKpR44hgo4UWA
I've tried about 10 gens in Suno with this song and it keeps making choruses and layered singers. Muddled sound.

Udio, pretty much out the gate.

I just hate the workflow.

Reminds me of trying to learn ComfyUI when I got used to Automatic1111.

[dry creek]

yeah udio quality is great but the workflow is a pain

and it always forgets the chorus once it gets to the second one

[grave sequoia]

OK, thank you, there's a big problem that no one is addressing, and it's that Udio changes the "feel" up a lot and doesn't repeat the same rhythm or style for each stanza block.

You can mask it a bit though. Gotta start in the smack dab middle and burn through gens.

[dry creek]

id assume its because we only get 30 seconds each time but idk

luckily i rewrite my songs so i could just copy the chorus i like best

but it doesnt help that the verse could also just be totally different melodies

it just doesnt feel like were really continuing our songs as much as rewriting parts of songs that are very similar in style and just mashing them all together

[hoary beacon]

hi guys! i've just arrived, can anyone help me? i'd like to know if i can make a api request for SUNO and what their documentation is, does anyone know?

[grave sequoia]

Yeah, especially with how it handles words. It just speeds up talking to fit in the 30 second block. Makes rhythm of the words weird.

[grave sequoia]

You can not.

[graceful swan]

Behold the devolves into noise machine (Volume Warning):
https://suno.com/song/9901583e-72b7-4e07-a8f7-1defe7d177f2
(I should stop wasting credits now)

[hoary beacon]

so it's not possible to make requests to the application in any way? just using the site?

[graceful swan]

yes

[grave sequoia]

Far as I know that is currently the case, yes.

[hoary beacon]

got it! thanks a lot guys

[dry creek]

just to give some perspective, I started working on this song when we discussed this and JUST finished it. https://www.udio.com/songs/mc8PRrbLurU8WH7uYUB1sP

it just takes SO LONG between choosing parts and long generation times

[austere helm]

Ok im actually getting something decent with Udio by just random generation, the only lyrics im manually typing are to make it repeat the chorus it generated... stay tuned

[dry creek]

Udio does better at lyric generating ive noticed. still nothing spectacular but better than Suno

i wonder what prompt they use for the lyrics

cuz i imagine they use GPT as well

[late crown]

Gemini I am guessing

[dry creek]

i had TERRIBLE luck with gemini but it was probably my fault

[austere helm]

Its actually not my style of music entirely

Like its not what i would choose in my playlist for gaming

but it is what i would consider a good rock song

[late crown]

one of the angel investors is Oriol Vinyals (head of Gemini at Google)

[dry creek]

ohhhh yeah then i bet they use Gemini lol

[austere helm]

one of my biggest gripes is when i click the delete button the little "are you sure box" goes away before i can click it

[dry creek]

man i gotta do a bunch of housework today lol

i just wanna make MUSIC

[austere helm]

welp now its stuck generating

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/chores-cleaning-housework-tom-and-jerry-housewife-gif-20706096

[grave sequoia]

Really? That's interesting to me. I, personally, find it's lyrics garbage. I've been using Claude a lot lately.

[dry creek]

ive only done a couple auto-generated lyrics to be fair lol

[grave sequoia]

I've heard the auto lyrics build(?) on each other from your prompt?

I don't like LLM style lyrics to that degree though, so that doesn't appeal to me much.

[vale lake]

yea, this is the real problem

it's inferior because of this

[grim idol]

btw have you tried suno lyrics recently...

[dry creek]

i actually havent

have they improved?

[vale lake]

and again this means it also cannot properly cohere longer threads of the song together

at least suno partially does, sometimes quite logn threads

[vale lake]

something changed?

[austere helm]

I tend to focus more on how the lyrics sound rather than what they actually are saying

[vale lake]

irl I agree with you considering nirvana and Pearl jam

[dry creek]

oh yeah Suno looks like they improved lyric gen too

[vale lake]

but for the model, it matters

[austere helm]

Like i love Starset, but some of their lyrics are kinda meh if you actually pay attention to what the words are saying

[dry creek]

seems like its not just doing ABAB, 4 lines, over and over

[vale lake]

also they still had good lyrics

[dry creek]

i photographed Starset

[vale lake]

which again, means for you to get their sounds your lyrics matter, for example

[west hull]

are we not basically training udio atm?

[vale lake]

fine tuning, yes

long term

[west hull]

and the outputs will be way longer after the beta than the issues will be gone anyway right?

[dry creek]

one of my favorite photos ive ever taken was of them lol

[vale lake]

I doubt that

they will need a new model

for longer context

so a month or more

they'll get runway tho

there's money to be made

[west hull]

ok but that's fine anyway. at least to me.. I don't collect songs anyway, only some

every 2nd prompt is either real stupid or a joke to some degree

rn some serious money probably yes

but wait if there's more competition the stocks crash or plummet

[austere helm]

Yeah Udio loses the chorus kinda

[graceful swan]

@late crown I tested the remixing and the thing with the seed.
For me I can slightly change the text and it stays sameish.. but it still changes a bit depending how much text is changed Here are some examples:
https://www.udio.com/playlists/3k9v7RS45jkTKgMZitqRUt

[austere helm]

OH I see whats happening with the delete confirmation disappearing, if its generating the page kinda "refreshes" in stages of generation it seems

[dry creek]

suno lyric gen seems to be a lot better but it still does that thing sometimes where it drops the genre into the lyrics:

Chorus]
By the way
By the way
Won't you stay?
In this world of shadows and shades of gray
By the way
By the way
Let's find our place
In this indie folk song
A story we embrace

lmao

[austere helm]

Are you using the simple or custom mode?

In custom mode i just type what i want the song to be about only, i dont specify anything about genere except in the style

[dry creek]

i told it to write an indie folk song called "by the way" in the custom lyrics box then clicked generate lyrics

[late crown]

So you only used remix, and changed a few words?

[vale lake]

nah we're still bubblin

well, it's not a bubble

it's real

[austere helm]

Yeah if im in custom mode i keep the genre out of the lyrics box, i only put that in style

[dry creek]

yeah i usually do that too

[graceful swan]

Yes, I tried the thing with the seed. It only works if you change one word or so if more then totally different so remix and the seed workaround seem to be different things

[vale lake]

but like, there is going to be too much competition imo very soon. I think suno has a good position atm as they much be sitting on a ton of user preference data

[dry creek]

wanted to include it because genre can impact lyrics. didnt want hiphop style lyrics lol

[west hull]

I've been trying to get Dio's voice for the past hour 🙂 like that one? I somehow - agree 😄

[vale lake]

and then have that msft 💵 I believe

[graceful swan]

If udio would speed the heck up I could try somthing with the sample you posted yesterday

[late crown]

Interesting! Thank for letting me know 💗 🌼

[austere tree]

Tried Udio first time today, i LOVE Suno but i feel that Udio have some nice features and overall quality feels better for now, was able to do that https://www.udio.com/songs/72yin5FbvRep9cFpESTe7r

[grim idol]

Was the exact text in the lyrics field indie folk song called "by the way" or write an indie folk song called "by the way" (I think first is best.)

[vale lake]

interesting

[dry creek]

the first

[graceful swan]

Sadly remix only works for the first part. Thats why I wanted to check the seed thing.. but I can't make it work properly yet

[late crown]

Well at least you still have access.. New people have to wait for that

[brittle bloom]

IDK, my experience with Udio is that Suno is not just better, but way ahead. Every 2nd and third generation (extension) is terrible, or at least not great. Suno is ahead, currently. The future, we'll see.

[dry creek]

udio stopped letting new people sign up?

[torpid sage]

Udio has a small waitlist, though it was only a few hours for me. Though that was early in the AM (EST) yesterday.

So may be longer now.

[austere helm]

They did yesterday but its fine now

[grim idol]

I don't know but this is my guess for how a seed would work in Suno. Basically maybe only if you change a tiny bit at the end of your prompt does it say sort of the same. So it doesn't give you 'the same voice' with a new prompt. But... just that little bit would not be useless, even if it doesn't do what most people expect. Just pretty low impact.

[vale lake]

so it progresses which is desirable, but yea, you can see it can't look back more than 30 secs

[austere helm]

In about [however long it takes to generate on udio] I think i'll have something decent

[vale lake]

try a string of numbers

or a single emoji

I found the udio one

the size kinda

[dry creek]

i’ll listen when i’m on my PC

[vale lake]

gives that away

[austere tree]

Yeah i mean i dont know, the track i just posted i am unsure if i would have been able to do it in Suno

[grave sequoia]

Length of audio too.

[austere helm]

So thats my problem, you can tell the Suno ones sound very similar, but Udio took it a whole different direction, i prefer both suno's better as far as it being closer to a sound of music i like

[torpid sage]

Udio generation with extending is really quite pleasing, the lyrics sound a lot less like AI for one. But I put in a whole D&D character's journal and backstory from one of my players, and each extension of the song, covered the next event in the journal, and understood events that happened at the end of the journal, and foreshadowed it (not so subtlety, but still). Quite impressive honestly, for something done on a whim and as a stress test. And we're talking 21 pages of Google Docs.

[brittle bloom]

You can tell easily which one is Udio.

[solar holly]

is udio free commersial use?

[west hull]

It's obvious right?

[brittle bloom]

cannot create a song that's built with longer verses until you get the chorus. Very short output and does not stay the course throughout a song. It can make enjoyable songs but not traditional structured songs.

[dry creek]

if i had to guess id say you uploaded them in the order you labeled. a is 2, b is 3, and c is udio?

[west hull]

on 2nd guess I wouldn't put money

[grave sequoia]

I don't understand, what do you mean? You made the verses or it auto created them and you just dumped the journal entries?

[west hull]

but I call B suno

[dry creek]

my reasoning for my guesses, last one had a 30ish second intro, so Udio, and B had the choir vocals lol

[torpid sage]

I dumped the journal entries and it made verses in order of occurrence, with a chorus to separate them.

[grave sequoia]

Really? What's the text length? Did you have to break it up into ton of little parts?

[brittle bloom]

If you play C, you can see that it stops/starts every 33 sec. Suno is way better for long songs, without interruptions. And Suno may one day allow double input and output for full length songs, Udio is trying to be a credit eater. Suno has a better business model, geared towards creating songs. Udio has a model geared at collecting credits. I know they're currently "free", but each generation is tiny/small.

[dry creek]

ignoring the 30 second intro, i found the background music to be more unique in 3 as well which leads me to udio

[torpid sage]

I didn't break it up no, it was 21 full pages of text, but I can't say exact numbers of characters without pulling it up, and I'm a bit lazy. I did not break up the journal from the backstory either (which was 6 of the 21 pages).

[grim idol]

One thing worth trying is using the 'optmized' udio prompts in Suno. It's often not bad at all. So not the original prompt but this list here that udio adds extra words to.

I copied those udio song into Suno for example:
https://suno.com/song/b4c1c8f0-1e54-46b1-8e4f-72facf019bfa
the other gens: https://suno.com/playlist/325d59fc-5906-4c89-9555-c2daa20041fd

[dry creek]

ive been doing that a bunch tbh

basically use Udio to generate a song based on an artist, then copy the prompt over to suno to see what it does

[austere tree]

Yeah cool, it sound good too you are right, worth it

[dry creek]

i havent gotten anything great yet but its been fun to mess with

[grim idol]

I do tweak the prompts a little for some words I know are not what I want in Suno, but sometimes not at all. Though usually you have to remove some words just to fit in length leimit.

[brittle bloom]

I would say, above all else Udio did a great marketing advertisement. Suno needs to up its game or Udio can win this race. It's more than just the tech, it's about creators and songs. There needs to be a rush of Suno creations on social media.

[grave sequoia]

Doing that helped me realize that vocalist being the first prompt usually got better singer quality.

[grave sequoia]

Wow... gonna have to test that later tonight.

[vale lake]

Yes, however you do have to attribute it

Which kinda makes it tacky

like, I am open about using ai, but I don't like specifically having to name what tools I used in song credits

my issue with Udio is I actually it's less creative, and people are confusing it's lack of context for creativity by virtue of rhe richer sound

it's overtrained

imo

I cam get crazy unique outputs from suno

they're just obvi using a much much more refined model

[west hull]

that's awesome, that it tells you what it did and clears the smoke a little

so it doesnt get shashmaqam eg

[grim idol]

I have a feeling even just using a long chunky prompt (lots of diverse words) is better for voices over a shorter one using only common words. Not specifically tested or anything just a vibe

[austere tree]

Maybe it's me but i just split stems and i find it easier to work with Udio

[brittle bloom]

It's not about who is better. Suno is way ahead. But, Udio is what people are talking about. Suno needs a splash 3.5 or whatever within the week to get on top of conversation again.

Also, Social Media blasts

[graceful swan]

maybe "better" tagging of the datset which would explain why it doesn't diverge in creative ways because it has a very rigid definition of the tags.. but idk I have not ran enough tests yet

[austere tree]

There was a noice ,like background noice, was able to isolate it and then remove it

[grim idol]

may be single parameter set to 'play it a little extra safe and standard' for launch day craziness

[vale lake]

no idea on my end. I mean, the main thing I find is, if I slam together a weird musical descriptor, Udio tends to do basically what SDXL overtrainig does, namely you get a bunch of abberations.

[graceful swan]

it can't "transfer" the knowledge to build something and just pulls out bits and pieces?

[rocky meadow]

Re-release v3a as v3.5. 😛 Ok, just my dream, lol.

[vale lake]

yea, I mean, this is care about so little. I think there are definitely a few people who can actually master a track well.

But there are even people in the industry imo who suck as mastering and just absolutely remove all the natural sound.

Like a lot of music has awful background noise, fuzziness, people literally willingly choose to listen to record players

[solar holly]

Haiz, the song generated by Udio so far is the best to compare with Suno. I use the same lyrics in the same genre, but Udio is better. I just hope Suno does something; maybe Udio, in the beta stage, gave their biggest commitment, and that might change for their product once they hit the market.

[vale lake]

Suno just came out with a new model last month

I mean, it's machine learning so the pace is insane

but like, they're def always working on their models, like everyone atm

[austere tree]

I am sure that Suno will improve way faster

[grave sequoia]

It's been fun to work with. I've got some pieces that are close to the sound quality as this, but the vocals tend to go askew in Suno.
https://www.udio.com/songs/44LRjXAxwWwpmRVYYjK14g

[solar holly]

just hope suno can solve the background noise issue because "udio" gives a different experience in their audio quality

[vale lake]

could be idk. I think it's subjective personally. Like, the music on fallout 3 could be re-recorded now and soind so crisp, you'd realize how awful the sound quality is. But it sounds good.

so like, I think all the stem splitting is like, eh. It's like I writerss groups, people become convinced certain rules will make their writing better and it's like, eh, at best it's a horizontal change

bc it really depends on your audience

my earliest memories are listening to music that sounds bad and being like "what the hell is that?"

and wanting to listen to all of it lol

Of course I want better sound though

like, who doesn't, udio beats on quality

of the individual sound

[bold dawn]

FYI : I went over to the Udio Headquarters and [Took a Shit] on the Udio office desk
SUNO FOREVER BABY !!!!

[scarlet osprey]

i agree, the reverb/noise/echo in the slow songs is disturbing

[rocky meadow]

Once you hear, you cannot un-hear.

[scarlet osprey]

You are absolutely right! I hope in future you can clean that sound with ai

[austere tree]

Final version with ''video'' and noises removed with RipX, quite happy with result https://youtu.be/oFEYpPeZYBo will do one more tonight with Udio will see

[west hull]

I reeeeally wan't a more vulgar llm ... -.-

flag for weener or fap or sth it's pathetic. language is free. it's art, what the fatwa

[austere tree]

Why going vulgar? They is plenty of way to express the same without being vulgar

[west hull]

and if I want to try some beavis and butthead type stuff or jack it in san diego?

[austere tree]

They i guess you record your own voice and you work it after ;P

[vale lake]

OK, so it appears that help

[west hull]

ya i just ask for slightly different words and correct that afterwards but it's work

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/x4PJMajEUBC1NK7AymnNzW

intro added

[austere helm]

This isnt my style of music at all, but its something that i would recognize as good vocals for the most part from Udio

https://www.udio.com/songs/w5bWpVeyTbn33CY4fDs3XD

[austere tree]

I am quite Happy with AI music, was waiting for something to open a Youtube Channel so i did, i am not two weeks into it an already have 2.3k views and over 36 hours of view lol

[austere tree]

Have to say that i am 100% sure now that audio quality is better as we speak than SUno

[vale lake]

yea, audio quality def is better

that is clear, there is a LOT more information, the files are massive

AI music is def making things interesting

I haven't seen a ton on Spotify yet, mostly just metal

I've been wondering when I'll run into another me

[austere tree]

Anti AI group on FB are getting Livid

[austere helm]

What are you guys listening through? what type of audio device?

[vale lake]

from my recommended

playlist

bc that will probably be my new bff

[austere helm]

Cause like i dont really hear much difference in audio quality, the vocals are a little clearer thats about it

[vale lake]

fr though, AI drf has potential

but it isn't disrupting yet bc most of the people who can make music already were

and they are institutionalized opposed

so it will take a bit before it moves beyond jingles and dance

and hey, I like some dance don't get me wrong

but edm happens to be a genre that I imagine will incorporate it into traditional workflows

since live shows are basicslly pretending to twist dials

[austere helm]

I mean i never was making music before, im nowhere near that area of expertise

[vale lake]

well, 2.4k views is great

[grim idol]

Everyone in the live audience write one word on a whiteboard. Take a picture of the words, randomly pick 10, that's the style prompt. DANCE.

[vale lake]

it feels good to be hearx

heard

[grim idol]

Even better if you can change the style prompt over time as the signs change... (it's got to be almost fast enough already for that)

[vale lake]

yea, it's pretty close

I think if it were local, it would be fast enough

[austere helm]

I mean for me im not really posting anywhere, except here to share them individually or something, even if i was a subscriber i wouldnt put them on spotify or anything, thats just me personally, im here to add music to my playlist for gaming lol

[vale lake]

for sure I get that, I think that's a great use

I think that, writing for family/friends/jokes

like, it's trivially easy to crank out some stuff that si just fun

plus honestly it would be a great party game

if someone designed something around it

[austere helm]

Thats what i did with one of my helldivers songs honestly, its a joke song from when i was little about "bug guts on the windshield" https://suno.com/song/12365596-da12-4bea-afc1-f344b1d714ab

my dad used to sing "bug guts on the windshield" in a like bluegrass tune when a bug would hit the windshield

[vale lake]

it's great w kids as well

https://suno.com/song/3a8ad524-46fc-4146-b483-a413ddc1720f

easy way to kill an afternoon

[austere helm]

I still tend to like what i get out of suno more than Udio

[vale lake]

same. When udio works, it's really good

but some things it's like beating your head against a wall

Suno however, could make music out of a hairdryer

[austere helm]

Yeah ive generated over and over and over and i like none of the vocals on Udio

but i guess its a good thing i got more free credits on Udio

[strange gorge]

Think where I've arrived at is:

1. Suno to get better quality data so the outputs are higher quality, like Udio. Clearly this is going to happen since it's the natrual 'thing' to upgrade to.
2. Suno to get infill/inpainting
   Suno is better, but I really miss that quality from those generations where Udio works

Basically I expect Suno v4 to erase this I have for Udio at the moment

[void mason]

agreed, I got an amazing Neil Young-like vocal out of Udio but wrangling it to make a complete song that stays on track is a slog. But, conversely Suno (for now) could never give me a vocal like that.

[austere helm]

I think i just have to figure out the style prompt for Udio, cause the same words that get me exactly the type of sound im looking for on Suno gives me trash on Udio

[strange gorge]

and I've really just tried to re-make songs I've made in Suno in Udio to see how it handles it

[void mason]

same

[austere helm]

Thats what im trying now yeah

[rocky meadow]

I found that "porting" songs to Udio did not give me results I was happy with. Kinda need to start from scratch

[austere helm]

Well its not a whole song its the first part of a suno song i havent continued yet

[strange gorge]

I've had a bit of luck
https://www.udio.com/songs/wMwEXQByFZXVKdG7qy8Qa7

Musically I'd give it to Suno, but quality-wise and uh, spontaneity? To Udio, but once Uido decides on a thing it won't move from it

and it has a real hard time keeping choruses

[rocky meadow]

Is there a 10000 emoji? LOL

[strange gorge]

Initial creative busrt from Udio is excellent, but hope you like it because that's where its staying

and as Yolkhead found out a couple days ago, Udio is far better at 90s slacker, alternative rock than Suno is
https://www.udio.com/songs/7TH5PnoaEKfXfVAFc6Dd8b

[rocky meadow]

Each portion of the song feels like a whole new song. Just roll the dice until it's similar enough that it might be the same song.

[void mason]

the chorus to my songs on Udio have been terrible compared to the magic Suno puts out. I stopped using the [chorus] tag altogether on some songs

[strange gorge]

Yeah same and instead just kinda let it go where it wants and see what happens

The more I mess with Udio the more I wonder if a quality increase with Suno will 'fix' lots of things when I compare them

I wish I didn't but I can hear the difference so clearly

[void mason]

totally, just waiting on that sweet sweet v4

[rocky meadow]

With no evidence and no special skills, I feel like it would be easier to add higher quality to the Suno model than to get the Udio one to do sensible things. 🙂

[strange gorge]

I suspect, based on how they talk about it, that each 'model' has a kind of data that goes into it

as in, v4 will have a different training set than v3

We saw it with the moves from 1 to 2 then to 3

Even gained stereo between 1 and 2

[strange gorge]

So basically until it becomes irrelevant we're probably going to see quality increases with each Suno version

irrelevant = good enough. I don't imagine trying to do this AI LLM stuff with flac is realistic

[austere helm]

I think thats the thing like for me, being someone who's not really in the music industry and who's goal is music for my gaming playlist, which is mp3 files played through computer speakers, suno is plenty good enough

[strange gorge]

It isn't quite there for me. I thought it might be but now I'm poisoned with Udio

I know there is better and that thought sits on the surface of my head

[void mason]

I listen in headphones, on a bluetooth speaker and in my truck. Some of the Suno songs in my truck have mega bass that doesn't come through via other listening devices. I basically sound check my songs these 3 ways to get an idea of the quality I'm satisfied with. With my headphones i can pick up background static w Suno that I haven't found with Udio. But Udio is taking mushrooms and hallucinates all over the place

[strange gorge]

dang yeah the bass
I have headphones too, but also a buttkicker (https://thebuttkicker.com/) and Suno does have a maybe 3x bass to it I can only hear out in the living room

I drive older 80s and 90s cars so I wouldn't hear the bass in those

The living room though with it's typical sub has exactly what you describe shizzle

[void mason]

i have a cousin who is really into car audio systems and i've sent him songs just so he can hear the bass in some of the generations lol

[rocky meadow]

Soooo. Seems 4/20 is the only upcoming holiday. Is there going to be a v4a make your friend a pot themed song web page anytime soon? 😛

[dry creek]

my parents are coming to visit me from out of state on 4/20, so ill be busy all day so thats DEFINITELY when the next update happens for sure

just got 500 free credits

cool

[austere helm]

Does anyone know what sort of style prompt i could use on Udio to get music similar to what i've got in suno?

https://suno.com/playlist/35e66b5c-e9a9-4774-933e-4bdb6a0aa989

cause that same style gives me trash

[hoary wind]

If you haven't enabled "manual mode" for the prompts, try that

(otherwise Udio rewrites the prompt)

[austere helm]

i had no idea what that switch did

[austere helm]

That did help a little

[cedar iris]

For some reason I did not know there was an off topic chat here.

[rocky meadow]

Goddamn, but the process of making songs on Suno just feels so much better than Udio. Sorry, random fanboy moment. But it is just a more pleasant process. At least partially because I know the rules, I can just pop my tweaks in and it does what I want!

[austere helm]

I so feel that too, Suno has much more fine tuned control

[strange gorge]

This is the 'Udio' chat at the moment, though shills come in and spam whatever, then it quickly evaporates~~~~~~~~~

thanks mods/staff

[strange gorge]

The Ui is just kinda bad yeah, not knowing at a glance what is playing unless you mouse over each generation

[grim idol]

ironically off-topic tends to more chirp-technical than chirp-technical, just how the conversation flows

[austere helm]

And the way the page does a like refresh as the generation is occuring

[strange gorge]

and will just..change places between generations

Just the two, but still
why

[void mason]

would be cool if Suno incorporated the Track Cover editing

[austere helm]

I want lyric modifying

[strange gorge]

slamming fists on table in fill In Fill IN FILL

[austere helm]

cause like, i had one song where it messed up after the first verse, so i continued from before the second verse, including verse 2 and the chorus only, which caused the subsequent combined generation to have the lyrics as:

Verse 1
Verse 2
Chorus
Verse 2
Chorus

which of course only the first Verse, Verse 2, and Chorus were actually in the audio

Or how i've had to type made up words like Malevelon Creek as Muh-level-on to get it to say it correctly, i'd like to be able to correct that so its normal in the lyrics display

[runic depot]

all of my lyrics are entirely unintelligible because of how I continue from the middle of clips while there's still more vocals to go

[rocky meadow]

With Suno, I just feel more like I'm participating in the music creation instead of Udio which feels like a slot machine totally. I've joked that Suno was a slot machine in the past but in comparison, I very much know what's about to come out of each Suno gen.

[austere helm]

Intersting, i specifically make sure to continue during an instrumental only portion

[austere helm]

Thats my thing with Udio yeah its like i prompt something and sometimes its right on, most of the time its just WAY out there

[runic depot]

Let's say I have the verse and the first verse and first chorus in my current segment. If I like the first half but not the second, I'll continue from the middle, resulting in my lyrics looking like this:

[verse]

[chorus]

[chorus]

Sometimes the lyrics even change between generations

https://suno.com/song/fd934b22-8a86-4d6a-9c17-809fbe3f4415

[void mason]

Udio at this point is something to mess with when I've exhausted my Suno credits. Its taken me 10x generations to make something coherent w Udio than it would with Suno. But the competition is good

[austere helm]

Same here yeah

[runic depot]

Udio just sounds so much better. It's not even a comparison.

You can't do in udio what you can do in suno, and I'm not even trying right now because of the server load, but I mean... the difference is just staggering

[austere helm]

Udio sounds better as far as audio quality wise, like the clearness in the voice and such, but the music itself is worse to me

[rocky meadow]

Agree. But when I come back from Udio, I'm relishing the "coming home" feel LOL

[runic depot]

The main difference to me is that udio is more willing to create disasters if you prompt for disasters

[strange gorge]

Hearing that clarity, the depth between different instruments and things

[runic depot]

dude the instruments

[strange gorge]

with Udio, it's missed when going back to Suno

[hoary wind]

I'm pretty much exclusively trying to make it do weird things at the moment lol

[runic depot]

the instruments is maybe an even bigger difference than the vocals

[strange gorge]

It really is. Anything with distortion seems to have more 'room' to it to fill out, so it just doesn't become compressed noise

[runic depot]

ya I spent a day testing how udio does when I give it completely unreasonable requests... it does not do any better than suno when I ask it to do the impossible, sadly

[austere helm]

I guess for me i just dont totally hear all that, im not really musically inclined, i just know when a song makes that thought in my head of "hey i like that" but i couldnt give an in depth analysis

[rocky meadow]

Yes. Unfortunately I can't fairly assess Udio without saying it has a depth and clarity I can't get on Suno. But just the feeling that what I make there wasn't mine diminishes the joy of that better sound (for me)

[hybrid yacht]

Im still trying to finish a song after working on it for over a day lol.. on Udio. Because its so good.

80s rock/metal .. Not final but I like the base of it.

[void mason]

absolutely, lost count of how many generations i had to use but I just couldn't let go of the uniquely Neil Young vocals i got so i kept at it

[hybrid yacht]

I miss Suno's fast 15 second gen though

[hybrid yacht]

Ive used almost 100 I think because I dont wanna give up on this song.

[void mason]

BUT, Suno topped off my credits so I'll be back making stuff on Suno this evening lol

[hybrid yacht]

I messed it up because I used a combination of auto generation and manual lyrics. I learned my lesson. Had to restart the whole song.

[runic depot]

I have found one (1) genre that suno has and udio doesn't, which is a real shame because suno does it badly and I wanted to hear udio's take

[rocky meadow]

LOL that is a fact. If I could gen as fast there as I can here. I might be able to figure out if there is some method to their madness.

[austere helm]

My experience with Suno:
Make 10 generations - "ok i like maybe 6-7 of those but let me see how many other good ones i can get that i might like even better"

My experience with Udio:
Make 10 generations - "I like none of these i'll keep going to see if i'll get one thats good"

[hybrid yacht]

I have A LOT of really good unfinished songs on Suno though, dunno when I'll get back to it ... cant get off Udio lol

I tried making that type of song I just posted on Suno for an hour, didnt get what I wanted. Tried it once or twice on Udio, boom. Got that.

[void mason]

multiple gens concurrently w Suno too. I hate having to wait while i try one thing when I could be trying multiple things at once

[austere helm]

Mines been the opposite, i have a few of my most recent song on Suno that i liek, trying to pick whati l ike best, but Udio ive done so many of the first verse and nothing

[hybrid yacht]

They need a better work flow like Suno... dislike and the song is gone only showing the liked songs. Its a bit messy on Udio right now. I get lost many times on what I was doing.

[hybrid yacht]

Opposite for me. Almost every gen on Udio I really like so I cant figure out what one to keep lol. Then I make different versions and well.. Im going insane.

It was easier on Suno to make a full song. I didnt get many good ones so it was easy to pick the best.

[austere helm]

Could be style of music im doing maybe but my Udio stuff is just crap to me

[strange gorge]

They are different

[hybrid yacht]

Udio's quality I love though. 320kbps.

[strange gorge]

really different

[hybrid yacht]

That wins it for me.

[rocky meadow]

Doesn't matter how good the segment is though if it doesn't attach to the rest of the song. Those weird 5 second hiccups at the joins!

[hybrid yacht]

Suno sounds like 128kbps.

[strange gorge]

Is that a new thing that's happening 'cause I don't hear any joins at all

[hybrid yacht]

ahh yeah Suno kinda better at stitching parts together.

[strange gorge]

I know exactly where they are too, every 33 seconds

[runic depot]

I haven't tried to make a longer "project" song in udio yet, because of the time sink. But the difference in how good udio sounds is too much. It was hard to go back to suno

[strange gorge]

Also must be a music style thing

[hybrid yacht]

I also miss timestamp where I can change any part of the song. That sucks. You are stuck with what you get.

[rocky meadow]

I have not done multi-part today. I forced myself to do a whole song yesterday, and I was having where it just would not join together. There would be 3 seconds of silence or 3 seconds of clashing guitars. And don't get me started on trying to get a consistent chorus

[hybrid yacht]

I also miss multiple gens 😦

[runic depot]

I'm fascinated by udio's tendency to make singers go off-key. Why does that happen?

[hybrid yacht]

To me, the 320 is a win win. I cant go back to Suno because of that.

Too much artifact sound in Suno.. but I will still finish some songs on there. Too good to ignore some of them.

[runic depot]

Yep, confirmed udio has no idea what enka is. That's sad.

[hearty storm]

keep missing it, they are likely going to have to increase the gen time to increase quality

[hoary wind]

I'm not convinced that it is truly 320kbps. The MP3 you download might be this, but the actual audio quality seems a lot lower than this. I'll do some testing sometime. Suno's audio quality seems to be more to do with the generation containing a lot of artefacts/noise rather than the MP3 encoding.

[hybrid yacht]

Still sounds better than Suno though.

[strange gorge]

This is how I feel too, it's a data thing

But yeah it does sound better

[hybrid yacht]

Thats the thing that annoys me with Udio.. its too slow right now.

[hoary wind]

It does sound better in some ways, but most of the music I've tried doesn't seem as interesting.

[hybrid yacht]

It depends on the person I guess. I couldnt get any good results with Suno for 80s hard rock metal trying for an hour. Then with Udio I got it straight away.

🤷‍♂️

[hearty storm]

you can't have your cake and eat it too

if you want a better Suno we will have to have higher Gen times

[hearty storm]

Yeah, could be artificially rendering out at 320kbps, might only be 256kbps, who knows

[runic depot]

I'll take that trade in a heartbeat if it means more diverse and real-sounding instruments and voices

but that's not just "quality"

that's a huge advancement

[hearty storm]

Yeah, I am going to guess the majority of the Noise and Distortion issues are due to limited render time

so even removing those is big, and then getting us to 256kbps with that is bigger

[runic depot]

How much have you played with or listened to udio?

[hearty storm]

I am talking about Suno

but I have listened to plenty of samples

it definitely sounds better for clarity and lack of noise distortions overall

[runic depot]

ahahahahaha udio ABSOLUTELY has "touhou" in its training for the same reason suno does

[hearty storm]

But, Suno could bridge that gap fairly easily IMO just by doubling Gen time to like 3 minutes, increasing to 256kbps, and removing MOST of the noise and distortions

[runic depot]

... You don't understand

a lot of what you're hearing isn't audio quality, it's more realistic instruments

and more differentiation between them

[hearty storm]

Udio definitely has a higher quality output though

so it's both

[runic depot]

yes, it's both

[hybrid yacht]

I could never get these results on Suno 🤷‍♂️

[hearty storm]

Yes. And once Suno gets more render time, they can deal with those extra variables all the same.

[hybrid yacht]

The vocals sound more realistic on Udio

[runic depot]

Like, I can't stop listening to that Dune: The Musical, because I can HEAR the fact that it's Broadway acting, I can even hear the acoustics of the stage

It hit, specifically, the sound of five Broadway actors belting at the audience

unmistakable

[hearty storm]

Like I said, double the render time, your debatably getting double the product, but realistically, probably like 50% better than before

[hybrid yacht]

Can also never get guitar solos on Suno like this

[runic depot]

And then the even clearer difference is something like dubstep or, yeah, a guitar solo

[hearty storm]

Yes buddy. We are talking about a future improved Suno

which will come lol

not the current Suno

I agree that instrumentation and vocals and all is great in Udio and better than Suno, already said that.

[runic depot]

And I'm saying the difference isn't just the noise and audio issues. There are also some advancements that can't be explained by simply better/broader training.

[hoary wind]

I guess what we at least have now is two separate tools that seem to have their own strengths and weaknesses at least

[hearty storm]

We will just have to wait for the next update to see

As much as Udio has clarity, I feel that a lot of the outputs lack character and ambience. Hard to describe. But Suno does pretty well where Udio falls short there IMO

so there are Pros and Cons in my eyes

[austere tree]

Keep getting Backend Processing Error in Udio

That song was starting great https://www.udio.com/songs/4aGGboNhxoUvJuet3yiEMG then i was blocked because it's Spongebob 😉 but music was FN amazing

https://www.udio.com/songs/pdpFhv5YihxTLqrPBAMEmn

this one sorry Echoes of the Abyss, was the best Spongebob remix i could imagine

[vale lake]

after extensive testing, it does worse. It's "willingness" go act creatively imo is a product of overtraining ie it only moves towards a musical structure when it is close enough to its training data, and gets kind of lost if you veer to far from that. This is why all of it's voices, at least to me, sound eerily similar in many cases to famous singer, Eddie Vetter (I think that's his name) being a prime examples I've heard several times now.

it's sound quality is way better

[broken plover]

@amber hemlock can I dm you, i got a lot of music data will to share

[vale lake]

and this makes it feel "better" ie it changes thr users expectations

so we are sort of primed. It is "shiny", but objectively, it has only 30 seconds of context, continuation can't be picked, and the progressions are almost always less interesting

I have some songs I really like from it

[runic depot]

In that case, we should see how udio compares when it comes to the "banjo test"

[vale lake]

so when it hits, it really huts

[vale lake]

oh that it'll win

[runic depot]

or, my preference, the "koto test"

[vale lake]

prime example incoming

[tacit bolt]

has anyone been able to get in touch with [e-mail]? I reached out 7 days ago and followed up 3 days ago and haven't heard back

[vale lake]

on acoustic sets and things with that underlying twang, it wins

due to the audio. It just has way more info. But the underlying model is inferior to v3 imo

[runic depot]

ah, that's not what I meant

[vale lake]

ah, explain

[runic depot]

So I decided I'd try promoting individual instruments to see if I could get a really contradictory mix of stuff that doesn't have any genres or cultures in common

[west hull]

guys for suno if i put instruments in the style of music will it only use them instruments? or will it use its own aswell?

[vale lake]

ah that's a good test

[runic depot]

Mixed results but I found that suno is more willing to put banjo and koto in things than you'd think

[vale lake]

this would be expected

based on my results

[rocky meadow]

They're suggestions. It'll add and or ignore what you ask for.

[runic depot]

banjo and koto were the winners, marimba and steel drum were the losers

[vale lake]

ie udio, although it SEEMS more creative

is less so

the things I've made with suno at times don't really have clear analogs

in fact, most of them you wouldn't hear it and say "oh, it's Ripping off X"

but Udio, it's like, every other song

I hear chord progressions with even the same twang at times

that I recognize

[austere tree]

The only thing that i would want from Udio for Suno is the better sound quality, the rest i can work with while the improve the AL

[vale lake]

I've only had ONE such occasion with suno, which was a modest mouse progression, but it didn't fit the genre at all so I believe it was pure coincidence

[runic depot]

Six gens in udio... five backend failures. It's like opening week for a new multiplayer game

[vale lake]

it'll improve over time

however, the good things you get out of it are good

but still, weirdly rip offs

like, that's Ben Gibbard

at times

[runic depot]

It's funny because with both of these you know there's just no WAY they were trained legally

[vale lake]

I actually believe suno was

if it wasn't, it would have been easier to get to v3

I also think that's why chiptunes

appear a lot

[runic depot]

mmmmmm well

[vale lake]

when it gets lost

I think they licensed foreign music data, and maybe some us

[runic depot]

A while ago, someone actually managed to reproduce a glitch where their outputs would sound exactly like the song they prompted

[vale lake]

and then just built it up on user preference

[runic depot]

fixed by now

let me see if I can find the messages

[vale lake]

interesting!

I'd love to know which songs

would give an idea. But i believe msft bought a substantial share in suno

unless that was just a runor

rumor

[strange gorge]

btw you guys should quick claim your usernames

in Suno

You don't want to be Yolkhead1

[vale lake]

I'll go do that

I'll just ask pat to fix it haha

[strange gorge]

[vale lake]

I'll go grab it tho

[runic depot]

It was Alliecat, they said they got "gimme the beat boys and free my soul" among a few others in the exact correct tune

[runic depot]

this does make sense for how an AI could be trained legally

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/@yolkhead

[rocky meadow]

LOL I had trouble deciding which name I wanted.

[vale lake]

niiiiiice

[frosty obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaQo04X51NM - that took a while to get something "consistent" at that length 😄

[rocky meadow]

https://suno.com/@portabob

[solar holly]

Will claiming the name become an issue if it is found that the song produced is distributed under the name of another artist?

[rocky meadow]

I need the Suno multi-band plan.

[runic depot]

There are three things that made me say "oh okay so this is actually leaps and bounds ahead"

four if you count the Paul Atreides song

The first is getting a stereo panning effect

The second is hearing that not every damn synth instrument sounds the same in EDM

and the third...

https://www.udio.com/songs/dQuiPQ53Y6SVnEuCSdpt3y

Holy. Shit.

[vale lake]

yea, it's the quality

[runic depot]

no no

[vale lake]

when it hits it hits

[runic depot]

just wait

just wait for it

[vale lake]

oh nice!

[runic depot]

That is. That is nowhere in suno's data.

[vale lake]

yea, agreed

or rather, I think they will get it, but that it was flattened by a quant

[austere tree]

Working on that track but site is unstable 😦 https://www.udio.com/songs/phxy7N9a8WvxxfDBRfWEw2

[vale lake]

bc their servers must be hammered

[hearty storm]

I'm with you there, although Sound Quality includes reducing Audio Distortions, Clicking, Hissing, Echoes, etc.

[runic depot]

Like I said, opening week for a new multiplayer game

[vale lake]

in any case, the issue comes down to: it sounds better in clips, but it's composition is really really not grsat

in comparison

like, we're all biased bc we can recognize a suno song like within 10 seconds

so we can't blind test

[runic depot]

Overwatch, Halo Infinite, Endwalker, Helldivers, surely countless more that I'm not thinking of, and you best believe Dawntrail is gonna be a shitshow

[vale lake]

but I think most people will put down an udio song, in most cases, bc they get weirdly boring at times

like, I've had a few that are gray

great

but Suno makes some stuff that just grabs you

and doesn't really let go

but part of that is continuation selections

but more broadly, the fact that the other one has one 30 second context

means it has to be dumber

[runic depot]

you might be right in that something about suno makes it less likely to stick close to established songs

[vale lake]

like, it's gimped

[runic depot]

right, and the 30 second context is bound to be a problem

[vale lake]

and can't do complex progression. The fact that it holds the voice is reflective of the overtraining

and it's likely their solution to keeping some consistency

but it still diverges

[hearty storm]

Most of the stuff I hear from Udio doesn't trigger any emotional response. Though some do, just to a lesser degree. Most people were making Meme songs with Suno. So not really a good estimator lol

[vale lake]

suno makes music, like, unique music. It's just not amazing audio quality.

Personally, I think a seperate, small refiner model could be interesting as a solution, since the problem affects extreme noises, like heavy bass and screams don't translate Tully

fully

[vale lake]

yea same

like, I play it for people because I'm like, this is cool

and nothing

sunos stuff

I had people calling me

I literally have a groupy and I have like 10 fans, my wife thinks it's hilarious

[odd hazel]

tailing the prod db and watching the suno handle goldrush rn like

[runic depot]

I can't speak to this because My GeNs ArEn'T fUcKiNg WoRkInG

[vale lake]

Basically, I'll use the other one when I don't have credits, but if I have credit I'll take suno any day

but hey, I'm glad they're there, it is nice

and they aren't a total loss like sd

[hearty storm]

Yes, the competition is good

[vale lake]

audio

which was just embaressing

like, I felt bad for them

legit

[runic depot]

so I got ONE successful gen where I tried to prompt for a touhou song

[hearty storm]

SonAuto has long way to go before I consider them competitive

[runic depot]

and I was like, oh damn this is funny, let me get a really good one to show people as a "Hey look! Touhou music is in udio too!"

six failed gens

[vale lake]

I've baiscslly had 1 song people liked, but they all just take too long to get started

oh and this one, but that's bc it's short and funny

[vestal moon]

agreed on the refiner. SUno generating the base track with the Udio refinements would be the goldilocks solution.

[hearty storm]

My most viewed song on Youtube was the one I did for fun, that I generated on accident (then extended), and that I didn't plan to distribute. --- Now I can't decide if I want to do a full EP of a similar genre and distribute it to my main profile, where it's out of place. Or if I want to create a new artist page and distribute it there where it's new and mainly focuses on no lyric songs/soundscapes or very minimal lyric songs. This is the song for context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cImmoMLt984

[vale lake]

I mean, I only say it bc I assume it would be cheaper, compute wise, similar to how stable cascade has several steps that reduce some of the models complexity. But like, I guarantee they have never ideas than that.

bc they're scientists

and I'm a guy who didn't go to school haha

[vale lake]

is it suno or udio?

[hearty storm]

Suno

Yeah, I mean if it's feasible for Suno to create a "Refiner" capability where you just select the Clip or Full Song, and comb over it to Master it/Remove Audio Distortion/Reduce or Eliminate Echo, that would be dope. It would be better if it actually just took the melody and everything and copied it, but made it better, so regenerates it with improvements.

I will suggest this

[austere tree]

Was able to finish my song, i did the same prompting and everything on Suno and it was far from that quality. You have to like that style but here it is https://www.udio.com/songs/hQvGaaWz9a4rGAEHTLd68S Eyes of the Machine (They Watch)

[vale lake]

like, the voice is good, quality is good. But like, it is so much less interesting in how it conpoaes

composes

I know this sound p well

and Subo does it too, just less detail

but the quality compositionally is better

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/f9ff9f4b-67c6-484e-9fa2-9342aa483f2d

one example

the buildup

and progression

then numb beat

it's solid

[grim idol]

I don't know much about guitar solos or prompting them specifically, but in general I like to throw a bunch of garbage in the lyrics with instrumentals, seems to help. this isn't the same style but a bit closer maybe
https://suno.com/song/ad908653-82d9-40f4-af4a-636d1db3a808

[vale lake]

but the udio version just lays there

I wanna poke it, but I can't get into the 30 seconds

[vale lake]

depends on the type of solo

but usually people mean hendrix

[vale lake]

can do plenty of solos

can you use a non download?

believe it or not, this joke one ends in a wicked guitar

https://suno.com/song/3f0c7c8a-7ed6-4fe6-a4f6-bd89d4a35155

I don't think anyone else has gotten that far though

02:54

https://suno.com/song/44811e63-4a22-41fc-9605-7afc31929767

2:40 ish blues guitar solo

with guitar throat

dude literally spits guitar halfway through that one

in any case, if you want a solo, just post the sample where you're up to and we'll slap one on there

[grim idol]

these two were ok:
https://suno.com/song/956b87b0-fedf-4cb1-b06e-5934c07c7b52
https://suno.com/song/47b86dda-883c-4921-a9f0-cafed5279758

[vale lake]

very anthemic, they def fit a lot of the stuff I see

I've never done a full guitar solo actually, ima go put one together

[brisk garden]

Yeah Its kinda tough ngl. I tried a bunch of different prompts but this is the closest Ive gotten.
https://suno.com/song/2f8092da-a3f3-4f57-8516-0eadc5a317fa

[grim idol]

probably easier if done in smaller chunks, asking for a pure 2:00 guitar solo is a bit atypical so they tend to transition into a normal ish song after awhile

[brisk garden]

I think you may be right

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/8ac6de13-ed4b-49da-8e37-5205ebe67ebc

trying to dial it down lol

[brisk garden]

Vibes are cool with this one

[slow bronze]

that is my exact feeling too. The Udio music seems like it is "better" but I have never generated anything I want to listen to again. It all sounds super generic. Suno makes more interesting sounding songs.

[fallow turret]

I'm so damn impressed

with suno

I've spent like 10 hours over the last few days perfecting an album ahahaha

the lyrics are so on point

[undone kernel]

How many outages does Suno.ai have per week?
4 failures a week is probably a lot

[fallow turret]

yeah the outages make me sad

[strange gorge]

#📢┃announcements message

They know

I've gotten a 1000 free credits from them these past couple weeks, so that's cool

[burnt rapids]

lol got another 500 credits

but lately I'm more on Udio xD maybe not the style but the damn quality is amazing!

[vestal moon]

You have to imagine part of that is a nice excuse to give people a reason to generate more with Suno than Udio

[burnt rapids]

competition is always good, but I need same quality on Suno that's what's missing now by suno

[vestal moon]

I thought I was crazy at first but I'm happy to see more people agreeing that Udio makes better sounding music but not necessarily better music. But it's just V1 so I'm sure it will improve as will Suno with V4. The real winner is the consumer.

[burnt rapids]

true, but the time matter now, if Suno will not uptade fast they will just lose

[vestal moon]

Yeah, they're pretty good at the updates given how long they've been around but I'm sure they're looking to get more out there now

[odd hazel]

half of our users think we have no idea what we're doing and the other half think we're playing 11-D chess, feel like you guys should really get together in a room and hash it out 😅

[strange gorge]

That's the classic thing though, right? One moment no idea, the other THEY KNOW ALL

Lots of people have that outlook about lots of things so sure, why not here

[rocky meadow]

You are a bunch of clueless monsters implementing a master plan to rule the world!

[burnt rapids]

maybe becouse there is like no roudmap? We need to guess?

[vestal moon]

Isn't there that thing about how the enemy is both incredibly incompetent and an existential threat? I think the Suno devs want to get as many people as possible using Suno, that's my theory.

[strange gorge]

Here is their master plan u ready: "make a thing that they wanna make"

Maybe make some money and some cool career things

[strange gorge]

Always in the political space yeah
When things go wrong, the enemy is sneaky and smart and in everything giant conspiracy. When things go good, the enemy is a MORON IDIOT CLASSIC ENEMY MOVE

[rocky meadow]

Being bought out for a bazillion dollars probably in the plan somewhere but have fun along the way?

[strange gorge]

They already have money investors

[burnt rapids]

lol that's the point of every company ect that's sells anything

[strange gorge]

I don't think anyone is going turn down billions

[rocky meadow]

But not a bazillion dollars!

[strange gorge]

But I bet their number is higher than we'd all think

[strange gorge]

wow I knew it

[hollow nova]

oh it's a lot easier to make better sounding music when you are just straight cloning famous artists voices 😂

[strange gorge]

in this essay I will

[hollow nova]

udio will get sued

and/or taken down

[strange gorge]

eh

[burnt rapids]

why so?

[strange gorge]

LLMs like this are hydras

[hollow nova]

cause they are cloning famous artists voice

[fallow turret]

hi i know you guys are arguing about platform stability and whatnot but can you make it so i can put playlists on my profile

[strange gorge]

not unlike the GREAT MP3 WARS of uhhh

[vestal moon]

I don't think Suno brought down the servers on purpose but it never hurts to have a reason to spread some good will, right?

[strange gorge]

of the 2000s

[hollow nova]

my 6th generation i had them generate me a gangster rap song and it was just straight up ice cubes vocals with random lyrics

like they don't even hide it

[strange gorge]

Napster is dead, oh no there are 4 more in its place

[burnt rapids]

xD Voice and? There is no law yet

[hollow nova]

why do you think the vocals sound so fucking amazing? these are actual artists

[strange gorge]

Can't copyright style

The laws will shake out how they shake out

But if you don't claim it's by whoever it sounds like

Then as far as the law is written, RIGHT NOW

[rocky meadow]

Sure you can. Style(c) <- See!

[strange gorge]

it's fine

[austere tree]

I am unsure if a voice ''tone'' is copyrighted i mean it's a tone, it'S a pitch.. I dont know

[sudden star]

I tested Udio today, it's only better than suno in terms of sound. Everything else is light years behind. Suno can do granular specification in the prompts, it builds synthesizers as specified, follows the chords, follows German female voice etc. Udio does something, hallucinates, can't cut to the second, changes style 3 times in a 3 minute song. The sound quality is good but everything else is clearly behind Suno V3, rather Suno V2 or worse

[pearl iris]

This is the result of about 60-90 minutes with Udio, in case folks want to compare quality: https://www.udio.com/songs/ovJy5pbG9jMSGdHSHsoPuA

[vestal moon]

So what everyone is doing? Udio might be more recognizable with the higher audio quality but I've gotten plenty of Suno generations where it was obvious who it was. That's the nature of training a model and prompting it to a narrow selection of possible tokens

[strange gorge]

It isn't, but law is a movable, stretchy thing

[fallow turret]

this, i'm making eurobeat music and suno is even imitating the accents of the singers

[hollow nova]

nah udio is on a different level with the vocals

never had one generation on Suno that sounded 100% identical

it all actually sounds legit AI generated

[burnt rapids]

what makes me mad by Suno is when i want a violin dubstep i got 9 od 10 times no violin or only at end xD, did try on udio and 9 od 10 got violin, i feel like udio is better in term of keeping with prompt also with lyrics while suno did miss words or make random ones

[hollow nova]

on Udio it doesn't sound AI generated at all it sounds like a real artist

cause it is lol

[hearty storm]

it somehow sounds like a real artist while still being void of proper human emotion

[pearl iris]

I find Suno can be quite emotionally expressive at times - I like how the vocals came out in this one, for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdUquA3IlLY

[hearty storm]

Yeah, Suno wins on the emotion factor

[undone kernel]

The audio sounds like shit, it generates 90% of the songs in a dark deep edm atmosphere, even church songs, with suno it's an innocent toy

[strange gorge]

But how do you REALLY feel

[undone kernel]

Udio i mean

[hearty storm]

yes, many of the Udio songs somehow sound similar

they both have signatures

Suno and Udio, but Udio seems even more uniform

[rocky meadow]

100%. The bridge to the end of this one... Suno blew me away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_7e8oaRZX4 Udio is very flat in delivery in comparison.

[hollow nova]

Udio is generating super fast today

pog

[fallow turret]

just be like me and spend cash dollars and generate 5000 versions of the same song, you'll find that eventually there will be a masterpiece

[strange gorge]

Exporing the ~latent space~ with Suno is like that, or any generative AI thing. you are digging through a lot of eh, some garbage, but there is a gem in there

[pearl iris]

one song typically takes me 1000-2000 creds, unless I get lucky

[strange gorge]

Fighting bad data more than anything it sometimes feels like

[fallow turret]

yeah I spent 2000 credits in a day 🥲

[vale lake]

this is the way

[vale lake]

easy, when I get my monthly 10k it's worth approximately 1.2 albums

but like, come on

that's well worth it

[rocky meadow]

I call it spearfishing, personally, go put yourself in the area you think you want to be, than just stab and see what comes back. Eventually it's something yummy. 🙂

[vestal moon]

How many parts are you putting together for a 2000 credit song or is it just dozens of generations per part?

[hearty storm]

how many songs are considered an album?

[pearl iris]

honestly, the process is almost as much fun as the result - shit's addictive

[strange gorge]

Lots of analogies like that work, yeah. You are spending time to find the good thing

[fallow turret]

usually 2-3 parts, just dozens and dozens of generations

[strange gorge]

This is why I'm realllllly looking forward to infill/inpainting. Since if I find a part in a song I like, I can save that part

[hearty storm]

For me, it's regenerating stuff a lot, to not only get the sound you want, but also get a clip/song without errors.

[strange gorge]

Right now I can only save it if I like what came before

I have a playlist full of generations like that

[hoary wind]

Suno dishes up stuff I didn't even expect / totally off-prompt sometimes, but it's often very tasty still

[strange gorge]

But then again watch v4 be the same sorta jump from v2 to v3 and I'll just throw out all my v3 generations

[rocky meadow]

The first segment takes like 3x the rest. Sometimes I can do the subsequent ones in 1 or 2. But getting that magical first part...

[fallow turret]

I usually generate until i get lyrics i like (or hit gold and get lyrics and music both) -> plug the lyrics back in until i get a first part i like -> extend that until i get a consistent sounding part 2 -> generate an instrumental outro until i find one that's consistent

[vestal moon]

I imagine inpainting will get those generation numbers down a lot, yeah, far fewer good generations will go to waste.

[hearty storm]

Let's hope so

[strange gorge]

It happened when we could pick the time to continue from

[vestal moon]

Udio is better in that regard but it's still not proper inpainting

[strange gorge]

Suddenly a lot of tracks were viable

[rocky meadow]

I've started making an instrumental first clip, then cut a lyrical one on around 7-15 seconds of that.

[hearty storm]

and sometimes the problem is the Audio quality or echoes/distortions. So being able to "Refine" a song/clip will be big too

[strange gorge]

I really like Udio's ability to slap an intro on whatever you are working on at any time

[strange gorge]

ALSO this

[rocky meadow]

But a 33s intro is too much

[strange gorge]

Just replace the stuff you don't like

[strange gorge]

the 33 second rigidness is a thing to work around yeah

Not being able to continue from a specific point seems like a dictation on how their model works

[vale lake]

back on the solos lol

[strange gorge]

How it works must require that 33 second thing

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/91a23e45-e549-4db3-b4a4-441adadd0441

I've been working on getting them without . .......

for funsies

just bc I wanted to better understand some aspects of prompts in this regard

it's less of a solo as much as idk

guitar singing

[hollow nova]

that song give me serious elevator music vibes

[strange gorge]

elevator music rules

[hollow nova]

@vale lake

[sudden star]

Absolutely, i missed cutting after 10 seconds, instrumental beat, testing udio. Suno is way better here

[vale lake]

yaya

[hollow nova]

reminds me a lot of this song that they played on the trolley between the hotels at circus circus in Reno

the start of it

[strange gorge]

https://suno.com/song/1cfec0ec-d1b9-40ce-8131-a5ebbb7f8123

[vale lake]

you talking about Maniac?

[languid nova]

i haven't managed to test much, since most times i get errors, what i did manage it interesting although suno to me sounds better. the sub-bass makes it feel warmer, richer. although seems based on others that there's things that udio does improve on.

[vale lake]

ya, for sure

[hollow nova]

elevator music for sure lol

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/0d9b4dbb-a675-41e3-aa1c-a09c1fc41cb3

[strange gorge]

I said it before but Uido is absolutely unable to do a live musical performance

[fallow turret]

i feel like i'm playing a casual puzzle game

[left acorn]

She's a maniac, maaaaniiiaac!

[vale lake]

so I finally got it lol

that last one is a solo

in the classic sense

with solid progression

and no prompts

[runic depot]

Oh yeah? That's a bit surprising, considering how realistic that Dune: The Musical sounds

I swear I can hear the acoustics of the theater

[strange gorge]

It can do live, but when you ask it for music it falls apart

[runic depot]

and I can hear that some of the actors are farther from the pickup mics than the others

[vale lake]

ao now I'm going to not forget

to save the damn prompt

bc I've developed like 5 different ways for songs

and I forget every time

[strange gorge]

I tried a few times. It can do stand up with the theater and crowd and everything

[strange gorge]

https://www.udio.com/songs/cJkefBhHVxAxZwUrUGJo6R

[vale lake]

so I don't waste 500 credit on getting a bombastic guitar outro

[strange gorge]

It can do it

Just something with asking it for music performed live it dies

[runic depot]

holy shit

[vale lake]

inspired by you

[strange gorge]

rename the song with the prompt you like to "prompt I like" and save it to a playlist called "prompts"

[strange gorge]

I never got a video with mine so rip

[runic depot]

For those who have never seen this

https://www.udio.com/songs/eY7xtug1dV6hbfCDhyHJua

I listened to this and said "suno killer"

Straight up.

Suno killer.

[strange gorge]

Maybe I can get it to work by stealing this prompt and prompting in the lyrics

[left acorn]

Cursed

[runic depot]

You hear it too, right? The actors sound kind of distant

[strange gorge]

the sound stage yeah

It sounds like it's in a theater

[runic depot]

Yeah you can hear the fact that they're in a theater!

[strange gorge]

I'll take that compliment thanks :))))

[vestal moon]

It shows sparks of something special, you just need to find where it shines but it seems better at these edge cases with sound effects and stuff than just making solid rock or pop with solid hooks and progressions.

[runic depot]

So what kind of live music sound weren't you able to get?

[strange gorge]

Something like this
https://suno.com/song/b67d8cc7-be49-4b74-b630-55f0e0c53c30

[runic depot]

I haven't done much with udio but I can imagine myself prompting for "live recording" and "cheering crowd"

[strange gorge]

It's probably workable but I couldn't find an edge into it with my Suno tricks

[runic depot]

Oh yeah, this is definitely trained on live recordings

this sounds fantastic by the way

[vestal moon]

"Shrek: the soviet school musical"

Not super soviet and we get a bit of Sinatra up front but it kicks in eventually https://www.udio.com/songs/6mwqmQieQNUdXfMjXEQfb7

[strange gorge]

Thanks! It's a limiting thing keeping it live but it works pretty well. @sly meteor was the one I first saw that figured out the live trick

Plus when it's 'live' you forgive a lot of the low quality

sneaky sneaky

[runic depot]

so "live performance, audience singing" didn't work in udio huh?

[strange gorge]

I'm going to just wholesale copy the theater prompts and see if I can get music in it

[runic depot]

that's almost the exact same thing I would've tried, "live recording, cheering crowd"

[strange gorge]

But no I couldn't get it to do it

It would give me 'clean' music

[runic depot]

I don't see a single thing in the Dune song that suggests theater acoustics. udio must've just done it because that's what musical theater sounds like

... "musical theater" might be the move

[strange gorge]

Maybe its like Suno and the lyrics shift things

[runic depot]

maybe "original cast recording?"

yeah, look at those prompts, "musical theater" is the only one that would remotely suggest that acoustic quality

So maybe you could try and prompt a rock 'n roll musical?

[strange gorge]

Trying some things now

but it's Udio so lmao wait I will

It's slow, is the joke

[vestal moon]

https://www.udio.com/songs/pVQ7X8H43BDbAtAXmEmrog

Tales of green, a world unseen, in a land
Of a comrade's bold ideal
Ogres roar and yet yearn for
The warmth of a real domain
Mud was fine, in this plot line
Now it's concrete gray, we strive```

[fallow turret]

man made the perfect outro and it disappeared off suno before I could merge it

[vestal moon]

THose are lyrics

[strange gorge]

https://www.udio.com/songs/mn7iwRdpt1xnQuc28tp6ZY

It's not bad, but it's wrong

The other one:
https://www.udio.com/songs/eaizMcTmrsP37SDWoXVa8w

This one sounds pretty slick

Going to try manual mode

[austere tree]

Kinda like that one also, https://www.udio.com/songs/jfd7FtU9KhdqvuRpUDG81T i feel that Udio will give me more pleasure playing with

[strange gorge]

ah ok, that's the trick

https://www.udio.com/songs/kFhKxcchzWe1Q1D8JBTCas

"manual mode"

Yeah, that's it. Not flipping on Manual Mode sabotages live recordings

https://www.udio.com/songs/fEuPZfNHJGhw2qAcbY8KgF

Well there you go

[runic depot]

Yeah it's not what you asked for but this is neat

[runic depot]

What?

[strange gorge]

By default that is off

[fallow turret]

wow udio absolutely failed hard on making eurobeat, back to suno

[strange gorge]

Which means Udio will mess with your prompts

But if you flip that switch it will do it 'raw'

[runic depot]

Right, right. It sounded like you said the opposite

[strange gorge]

Oh no, I meant NOT doing manual mode is what breaks the live sound

[runic depot]

udio is in its equivalent of "simple mode" by default, you have to tick "manual mode" or else it'll fill your prompts with guesses at what other words might be relevant

[strange gorge]

It probably helps people's weak-ass terrible prompts

[runic depot]

suno also sucks bad at eurobeat so let's see if I can get some in udio

[fallow turret]

I made excellent eurobeat in suno

I made an entire eurobeat album

[runic depot]

ooh check this out

https://www.udio.com/songs/vZn8CseSFAjgFCxqnvRmt8

It doesn't have a crowd but I got the "stage" sound

and relatively "unplugged" vocals too

[strange gorge]

Yeah this sounds live but without a crowd

https://www.udio.com/songs/5GuReFgGaueRD5JZVTdRwZ

[vestal moon]

It's like I'm actually watching my drunk uncle's band perform live

[strange gorge]

I don't know eurobeat but ???

[fallow turret]

ok udio literally just copied dave rodgers voice

[uneven horizon]

Hey what do you think which is better udio or suno?

[runic depot]

that's eurobeat all right

[strange gorge]

Note that I let Udio make the whole generation, a single word prompt: "eurobeat"
still neon

Flip Manual Mode on

[runic depot]

udio would be leaps and bounds better if we could transfer all our skills from using v3's continue-from to make proper songs in suno, and if we could rapid-crank generations for the sake of experimentation

[undone kernel]

Udio only creates music from the 1960s, I didn't find anything modern there

[runic depot]

but neither of those things are true or even close to it, so for now suno is better for actually making stuff instead of pressing the make music button for fun

[strange gorge]

Suno is better, it's a better product, it has more thought put into the UI, the generations, the angles for organization. Udio has a clear lead in raw audio quality and seemingly depth of what it is capable of. 'Manual Mode' seems to be the real trick to get what you ask for

I want Suno but with whatever Udio's model is, but with Suno's 2 min generations

Just drop it right in :))))

[runic depot]

thing is, "depth of what it is capable of" goes pretty damned deep

[strange gorge]

yeah

[uneven horizon]

Yup

[strange gorge]

It was doing sound effects

Like, a guy on stage making sound effects into the mic

[vestal moon]

Deep but limited in that some genres are just not good but then random others are great. I do love it's musicals.

[runic depot]

the other day, some a couple of guys were saying "suno can't do EDM at all" and I was like what are you talking about I add bass drops and trance vibes and house oonts oonts to stuff all the time

but they were talking about how suno seemingly only has one "synth" instrument for all of EDM to shre

[strange gorge]

What genres are you not having luck with in Udio?

[shut breach]

So is the max time for Udio 1:38?

[uneven horizon]

Indeed

[strange gorge]

Now I'm kinda wondering if 'Manual Mode' is the reason