🗣️┃chill-chat

[sudden rose]

I noticed Udio does better with generating complex melodies and rhythms but I am feeling like I have to really fight it, to generate what I am looking for. For ease of use and comfortability I am sticking for Suno, but if Udio is developed to understand prompts better/faster then it would be pretty hard to not jump over.

[dry creek]

yeah it does a good job at melodies

[sudden rose]

A noticed some UI updates to Suno when I logged in (it's been a few days) that look suspiciously similar to Udio. I freaking love it!

[dry creek]

i feel like it understands genres better sometimes

[sudden rose]

Have you found that you have to prompt differently between the two?

[dry creek]

honestly Ive mostly just been using band names for Udio

[sudden rose]

You just blew my freaking mind. I did not know you could do that!

[dry creek]

not always perfect but usually comes close enough to the style i want

[sudden rose]

Have you tried specific songs from a band, or is it just the band name?

[dry creek]

not yet but ill try soon

[late crown]

Funny... because those updates where pre Udio.. just rolled out later due to some problems

[austere helm]

Its harder for me to get the sound of music and vocals i want on Udio

[sudden rose]

That is pretty funny

[austere helm]

I'm not musically inclined enough to know what words to use to describe it

[sudden rose]

I have the same experience, but I am going to try JimJams approach to see if it makes a difference

[late crown]

They were literally rolled out the day Udio launched.. so yeah 😉

[sudden rose]

I love it, it is very clean.

[dry creek]

whole team online watching us talk about Udio >_>

lmao

[sudden rose]

My position is: I vote with my money and right now I am voting for Suno but that is subject to change. Competition in this space can only do good.

[dry creek]

well you cant give Udio money yet anyway

[sudden rose]

Hahaha, yeah fair point!

[dry creek]

if Udio gave us longer generations id be more willing to pay

[late crown]

It's off topic.. 🤷‍♀️.. it's fine

[dry creek]

i dont see myself paying for 30 second gens

[dry creek]

yeah i was just joking around lol

[sudden rose]

Yeah that 30 seconds, is kinda of a strange move.

[dry creek]

i think the 30 seconds thing is just because of their current model

[sudden rose]

Heck, even Stable Audio was 3-minutes. Granted is was 3-minutes of nonsense.

Nice chatting with ya JimJam, thanks for the tips on generations!

[vale lake]

yea, I tried that out the other day

wow it was horrible

like, why even release

[dry creek]

oh man yeah i forgot i tested that out LMAO it was not good

[austere helm]

I guess the band names thing is also my issue cause like... i never like entire bands, like take Skillet for example, they have over 100 songs but i only maybe like 4 of those thats in my playlist, thats true for any band i might like 3-4 songs from the whole band, so using the band name on Udio gets me the sound of the larger majority of their music

[vale lake]

this is my main issue with udio is it really does seem, at least to me, to directly emulate particular bands

and in this sense, ironically, I think it's less creative

but the sound quality is better

substantially so

however, I'm guessing this is part of why it's only in 30 second sections

[austere helm]

Yesterday i was finding the sound quality worse, today its ok

[vale lake]

it also loses voice fast

[dry creek]

i wish I could just sandwich Suno and Udio together

[vale lake]

so you can't have a long instrumental

[vale lake]

probably soon

I mean, suno is still early on

and machine learning stuff is moving fast

[austere helm]

Loses voice? as in the voice sounds like one person when you start but by the end of the song its a different singer?

[dry creek]

def, people forget how new Suno is

[vale lake]

they must have music2music in the works

[vale lake]

yes

[dry creek]

Udio, i guess, has confirmed Stems are coming

[vale lake]

like, if you have a long break

[austere helm]

Ahh that would definitely be a deal breaker for me

[dry creek]

according to some of the youtubers

[vale lake]

like this one, I wanted to have a closing bit

to end it off

but it changes voice

bc of a small guitar solo

I believe their context is literally 30 aeconds

[dry creek]

yeah i noticed if you do an instrumental part in the middle it totally loses the voice afterwards

[vale lake]

so this would explain why my, upon longer use, sense that the melodies are less coherent, is the case

Suno can pull some brilliant stuff together

if you set it up right

[austere helm]

Ive just foudn it easier to get something i like in a couple generations on Suno, like it would be acceptable, i just like to keep going and see what i can get, but Udio i keep going because i dont like it at all

[dry creek]

yeah id like it better if everything was generated separately

[craggy elbow]

udio

is so good

my god

[austere helm]

i must be doing something wrong cause i just cannot get anything good out of it

[slow bronze]

Udio is extremely hit or miss. The misses are huge though.

[austere helm]

Like this for example

https://www.udio.com/songs/21PT92k9ghjG6MhgNKv8rL

[slow bronze]

I like the way that Suno constructs songs better even though the quality is worse. With Udio it seems like the vocals dont match the instrumental of the songs sometimes, like it is not layered correctly.

[austere helm]

Yes the vocals are clear, the audio quality is good, but ot me that voice and singing is just awful

[austere helm]

YES that is exactly what i hear, the vocals dont fit the music most times

But this
https://suno.com/song/a9be7230-6aa9-4b77-a66c-07f84ff17f37

The cadence in each verse, it came out great

wow i told Udio to use automated lyrics and it got flagged with a moderation error

you just flagged your own AI

but the audio quality isnt that big of a thing to me, i've never been that big on audio quality, like clearly i know when something sounds like crap but i listen to music out of regular computer speakers, i dont use fancy audio equipment or headphones with fancy features to hear every nuance in the music

[prime bronze]

Exactly. When you do enough side by side testing, this starts to show. Suno has almost magical way of composing around the words, when Udio just fiffs it there in stereo

[austere helm]

Yes Suno did a great job of this in this song of mine, listen in the first verse when he says "We fought the fight"
https://suno.com/song/12365596-da12-4bea-afc1-f344b1d714ab

[craggy elbow]

track not found

[austere helm]

probably one of them i deleted cause i didnt like it

[craggy elbow]

well nicely done because i was actually quite interested

although the results it produces can sound good, theres a bit of a learning curve probably

[prime bronze]

Yeah, Suno makes the lyrics lean on and sometimes drop on the bass, drums etc, making it sound like it was meant that way

[austere helm]

My bad, i guess there's no trash bin to restore from

[craggy elbow]

its alright, dw about it

[austere helm]

I mean its the same lyrics as all the others ive done, the singing just sounds... bad

https://www.udio.com/songs/xhUR1MpXXPLjTJ47oEPbVN

[old belfry]

Has anyone tried ACE for vocals, or, how do you fix your vocals?

[austere helm]

ACE?

[old belfry]

https://www.acestudio.ai/

[austere helm]

ahh nah i havent

[prime bronze]

I let jesus i mean suno take the wheel. Bit mastering with bandlabs and audacity

[old belfry]

Lol

I know what you mean

I actually don't know how much it costs

[exotic trellis]

udio must have a hell of a pr team

[old belfry]

They don't show it do they?

[austere helm]

I think thats why in my case its a little bit more difficult to get stuff in Udio, it wants some very specific musical descriptions and i have no experience in making music or have any musical inclination or talent besides being able to tap a pencil on rhythm on my desk, if i like a song i like a song, so using other software after downloading the suno file isnt really happening unless its minor adjustments in audacity

[old belfry]

Oh ok.

$22/mo

I asked bing

I'm just really disappointed with the suno update and it's putting out bad music ever since on my end anyhow, I noticed the instrumentals are still good though but the vocals they all sound the same and melodies too sometimes

[austere helm]

Another i did, good example of how the music fades out at 0:57 and then the drop hits

[old belfry]

And the vocal layering is ick

[austere helm]

you mean the update the other day or since v3 came out?

[old belfry]

The other day

V3 was good until yesterday

[austere helm]

hmm i havent had much problem really, i mean the stuff im generating sounds good just i keep going to see if i can get something better

[old belfry]

I will have to give it more time. How do you get the vocals to not layer but just be one person singing without the layering effect?

Can I hear some of your stuff?

I made a funny rant song this morning anime style. Lol

[austere helm]

This is all of my full songs

https://suno.com/playlist/12a35d1d-bd0f-47d8-be79-1b1879d53090

[old belfry]

Oh cool thanks!

[austere helm]

I always get that kinda.... slight choir sound to the vocals

but sometimes its not so bad, i think because im doing mostly rock stuff, the "static" in the voice kinda fits

or sounds like a raspy rock voice

but you can try "solo vocals" or "singer-songwriter" stuff like that, to try to indicate to the AI "I WANT ONE PERSON SINGING" but it doenst always help

[sterile nebula]

It's been happening since v3, it was fine in V3a. Doesn't seem to affect all genres though

[hollow phoenix]

I mostly notice it on the Chorus, maybe it's confused about Chorus and Choir haha

[old belfry]

Thank you for the tips, Xeno98

reputabletoad, lololol yep

Here's my AI rant, I was in a mood I guess. It's ironic because it's a rant against AI doing creative things, (which I use it for and enjoy) and a complaint that it's not doing the stuff I don't like doing like chores. https://suno.com/song/b834a5b5-32a6-481d-88dc-d34b9b743a54

[hollow phoenix]

I wonder if one used [Refrain] instead if you would get a better result. Assuming the tokenization is wonky idk

[sterile nebula]

I tried, it sometimes helps a bit but when it does it often lacks the energy of a proper chorus

[old belfry]

I will try [Refrain]

How do you do meta tags?

[hollow phoenix]

Yeah a lot of alchemy here

[austere helm]

Yes ive had that same thought lol

[austere helm]

Another tip, hyphenate some things, where you have "A I" and its sounding like "uh eye" try "A-I"

[old belfry]

Oh thank you!

[austere helm]

Like in mine when i typed helldivers i kept getting hell-div-ers, div pronounced like the word division, so hyphenating it got it correct, same with Malevelon creek it kept saying Male-velon creek so i had to type Muh-level-on creek

[old belfry]

Okay, I had a song where they lyric was 'necklace' and they sing it like 'naked lace' so bizarre

[hollow phoenix]

Interesting, the only thing I've run into is ambiguous pronunciation, wound as in wound like a string or wound as in a cut or abrasion.

[ebon flax]

Hmm to me this singing is quite expressive. There's qualities in that which are good imo

Udio definitely feels harder to steer for sure though

Sometimes its compositions are looser in ways that are intriguing and other times looser in ways that are meandering 😆

and since you can't choose where to continue from you have to leave all those parts in the track lol

I think starting with the "intro" or "start", as Suno does, makes better sense too. The way Udio starts from a section probably works against it

[fallow vale]

So, is there a visual tutorial about inserting a drafted paragraph in the middle of the lyrics as a modified version when creating a song in suno custom mode?

[ebon flax]

At the moment you can only continue forwards (you can't insert). When continuing you can start the lyrics at the point it was up to. Sometimes you might need to put a line earlier (and sometimes I put the entire section again).

Other people might have better techniques for this 😆

[vale lake]

what update?

[burnt rapids]

nah u can add anymoment intro and choose if its instrumental or not its way better, but udio has 1 problem u just cant continue from point that u want, but the quality is just killing suno

[vale lake]

I find the suddenly proliferated idea that there was a stealth update to the model kind of odd

in terms of timing

[ebon flax]

Hmm i think I get what you're saying. Somebody else might have better advice. Sometimes when I want to force it to go to a verse I will use

[Continue]
[Verse]
Start from here

(this is in a blank lyrics box)

[late crown]

I already warned you not to double post, and even removed one, now to find this again.. I answered you in #📚┃suno-school
You've been timed out for 1 day for double posting, and ignoring my warning @fallow vale

[ebon flax]

If you actually want to add a part to the middle of the music you can't do this (yet)

[austere helm]

I'm sure part of it just subjective and what i consider to be good singing but i just dont like most of the vocals i get out of udio

[ebon flax]

what I mean is that there isn't a way to start from an "Intro" and the "Intro" or "Start" often sets the mood of the music

[ebon flax]

i don't always like parts of them, but there are parts I do like. That said, you do feel way more in control with Suno lol

[burnt rapids]

its random with every generation so ?

[burnt rapids]

and it is better if u can generate intro as many times as u want with suno u just cant

[ebon flax]

yea, i think generating outwardly from the intro seems to work well. Something about continuing onwards from the start of the track (to begin with), makes it easier to get the type of track you want... I could be wrong. This is how it feels to me for some reason.

[ebon flax]

eventually you'll be able to use the "in-painting" feature to go over selections of music, when they add that feature

[burnt rapids]

what I want from suno is stick to the freaking prompt, like i can put 10x violin and... there is none lol or skipping words 😦

[ebon flax]

well, Udio seems to stick to the prompt even less 😛

[burnt rapids]

well i fell opposite everything that i put was out heh 😅

[ebon flax]

haha, maybe in some situations it can be better, im still trying Udio out

https://www.udio.com/songs/rWnmAvKYJ4hM6YWi7FrBWs

(it just hallucinated random words to that haha, but it does sound cool)

[ebon flax]

i like this... but I would've preferred if it was starting from the start of the music. Then I can work out what im doing better

[burnt rapids]

but udio is in beta and well it is BIG, suno is in V3 and ekhm well i hope they will get upgrade soon!

[ebon flax]

i'm sure Suno are constantly working on things 🔥

[burnt rapids]

well if not they will lose 😦

[toxic root]

https://www.udio.com/songs/1Me335YgtsXU5AvQh52zUN

This is the most impressed I've ever been at any music generator ever. Take a listen to 1:40 minute mark, tell me if this doesn't sound like an absolute classic

[vale lake]

yea, I've been able to, thank to being on the opposite side of the planet, use the app pretty extensively

[ebon flax]

it's like Hey Jude 2 🤣 (that part)

[vale lake]

and thus far I can do basically everything in suno that I can do in the new one

(whose name for some reason I am consistently unable to remember)

but not the other way

certain things are just not replicable, because it veers too hard towards known artists

and especially for instrumental

https://suno.com/song/d459156f-9153-4430-bf7f-f26dff0073ac

I literally cannot hey anything close to this

[toxic root]

that part been stuck in my head for quite a while, it goes so hard Jesus

[austere helm]

I think thats my problem with Udio it replicates a lot of popular stuff that i personally dont like

[midnight river]

sort of udio jailbreak, the trick is to write the text in another language but make sure that it sounds phonetically the same

[ebon flax]

very moving !!! udio can kind of veer out of control in ways suno doesnt

[vale lake]

agreed

[old belfry]

It's beautiful.

[toxic root]

An orchestra? I'm pretty sure Udio can do that

[ebon flax]

yea that's an awesome piece, very soundtracky

[vale lake]

one example where I really couldn't get up to the same fidelity in Suno is

https://suno.com/song/44811e63-4a22-41fc-9605-7afc31929767

vs

https://www.udio.com/songs/dKXoLZSxf9nnK1NveVLu85

it's apples to oranges here

but the sound is so rich

it's not comparable

[old belfry]

What do folks use to come with the words for how to describe the music to Suno? Is there a good source where I can learn what different style combinations sound like or ideas of how to finesse a style like that one?

[vale lake]

however, it's so niche

and the suno progression IS stronger

in particular, his voice literally becomes the guitar

at one point in a way that is so cool

[ebon flax]

it'll be the same for me now lol

[vale lake]

and something you won't get out of the other

[vale lake]

it's not an orchestra

it's the melody. It's just good.

[vale lake]

experience with other LLMs

not other, as it isn't an LLM

but I mean, other models

[ebon flax]

I get that sometimes, othertimes it does come across fairly creative. Like in certain styles it comes out more original (to me) than Suno, but then it also screws up things in ways Suno wouldnt, and because you cant continue from a time stamp it limits you a lot

[vale lake]

which helps me know where to research

I fond ratemusic to be a good start point

also, I listen to music like, idk, 8 hours a day

[midnight river]

I think your name should be anti-Yolkhead haha

[vale lake]

believe it or not that has been a prompt

https://suno.com/song/2a7ea5e0-2271-4989-83c4-5ff47198f9ec

this one takes a bit to hit the dirty notes

[ebon flax]

hahaha loool

[vale lake]

it's like, one particular set that occurs around 40 seconds I think

where it gets low

that makes this one interesting to me

and then the progression

it's basically one huge buildup

for 2 minutes

but yea, udio just can't touch the weirdly intelligent method suno makes music

like, if you just make some options, it'll get it "right" at some point

like, if you know how to listen

and are willing go roll with it

[lone prairie]

Suno is killling dubstep 🤩

[vale lake]

oh absolutely

easy

but I mean, not so much killing

as it is making more of all styles

anything purely sound based will be easiest

lyrical stuff, for now, is harder

but I see no reason why it will remain this way

but for the time being, having access to quality material is like having gold

[lone prairie]

Yeah

[vale lake]

if you're making rock, indie, alt, metal, anything

[lone prairie]

I try to make Deathcore (Instrumental) but it allways crumble in a noisy mess... with udio however it's just clean

[vale lake]

yea, this is an issue

you can try adding vocal solo or soloist or anti-male solist, post-male soloist

and see

solo vocalist worked here

also tags like raw, live vocals

https://suno.com/song/03ac42cb-9762-404f-a4d2-70aa581a5ce8

however, note it's a woman

which is another option

as they don't have the issue

in general

it's almost always male voices that degrade into chorus

[austere helm]

I've noticed this yeah, but being that im doing hard rock, it tends to work fine cause it just sounds like a bit of rasp in the voice

[vale lake]

it also can just sound like feedback

[lone prairie]

i never get the same chorus out from the song when i'm extending Oo

[vale lake]

I'm fairly sure it has to do with instrument pollution

like, something about how it does voices

is similar to, for example, the distorted guitar

but who knows

(Patsuno)

[lone prairie]

Maybe it'S because voices matching the frequenzy of the other instruments

[vale lake]

could be. I really am not sure. I'm guessing basically it has to do with scaling. But in any case, the good thing is the next model will have better fidelity regardless. So in the meantime, just lean into it. One day, the stylistic decisions made to work around these issues may be an actual sound people like.

like all good music eras

half the style comes from limitation

you only even notice it when you're on our end

like, I've had 3 different people now ask me when I learned how to play guitar

And I'm talking people like 6 years younger than me

one of them. I have no idea how on earth they thought I oculd produce 3 albums in 2 months

but point is, it passes

[lone prairie]

I mean suno is such an amazing ai playground, it has much more potential then this, like i said in #💡┃suggestions-web for example create music and lyrics but without using voices for own singing for example.

But first they really need to fix the noisy issue and the non repeatadly Chorus. (it's bothering really, to get a consistent Chorus with a slight varaition out there)...

I Mean Music is defined by patterns, why you can't create first a pattern then you can tweak or generate the pattern in the pattern itself as ai for example? So you are able to copy the chorus and then click on (generate alternative with a slider where you can choose how different the chorus sound for example) 😄

THAT would be an industry killer :3

[austere helm]

I mean i think we are still in a pretty infant stage of AI in general, so i mean most of what i have done with Suno has been above my expectations

[lone prairie]

Thats right... it's just the start

[old belfry]

True, I was going to abandon it but with some tweaking on a DAW maybe I can do something with the voice problem

[lone prairie]

With a mp3? I doubt it...

[vale lake]

oh hot damn

https://suno.com/song/8c2fa183-ba43-446e-8073-5a198841cd81

nice to be back

[night edge]

Can Suno take multiple AI generated tracks and then have the AI generate a new track based on the data of both? Like how Midjourney can take different images and come out with a new one based on the data of all of them?

[vale lake]

on suno for a bit

[old belfry]

How do you keep it from skipping lyrics? Sometime when I extend it skips who blocks of lyrics and jumps down or starts in the middle of a verse

[austere helm]

are you specifying the time to continue from or just letting it pick the very last second by default?

[night edge]

So I tried udio, the only nit pick I have is that the 33 seconds clips are a bit problematic for certain tracks, trying to extend a clip right now and all of them so far have had blending problems.

[old belfry]

The second

Is that a problem?

[sweet storm]

I got a bit intrigued by Udio, so I’m wondering if anyone here knows if we can use it yet?

I still think that Suno is probably just as easy. The main difference seems to be that people can apparently use artist names in prompts on Udio, which we can’t on Suno.

[austere helm]

Sometimes that very last second of a part may be a near silent note

[night edge]

the audio quality is definitey good on udio, but I need more than just a 33 second clip.

[strange gorge]

What do you mean? You can use it now in beta

[austere helm]

Yeah its definitely hard to work with that

[old belfry]

Ah okay

[night edge]

i hope it's just a imposed beta limitation

and not a final

[strange gorge]

I don't mind the 33 second clip thing at all, not really. The bigger issue is coherence, it forgets musical style, sometimes voices but just up and forgets the chorus. Might be due to the 33 second thing

[austere helm]

I mean even Udio isnt totally allowing "artist names" its just pulling a description of that artist and converting it, which you could go find and type in yourself on Suno

[strange gorge]

For like, a 'value' idea or whatever, so what 33 seconds. I use Suno like that, lopping of tons of time to get what I'm after

It's different though, very much so, than Suno

If you want to make weird stuff Udio is better

Weird as in strange genre mixes and noises and things

I said it a bunch last night but it's really compelling

the 320 quality thing is nice too

[night edge]

I have an orchestra metal clip right now, intro meshed fine with the first clip but trying to mesh anything after the 33 second clip either clips or just plays something that doesn't flow in a good direction, it's a bit of a hassle.

[austere helm]

The issue with 33 seconds is that what you're limited in the time of what youre trying to achieve, for example in Suno i can let the AI generate 3 stanzas, sometimes those three stanzas span over 1 minute, sometimes a minute and 33 seconds, sometimes a minute and 40, sometimes it repeats the stanzas twice over 2 minutes, theres more variation chance and stuff that could happen between them

[sweet storm]

What would that description be?

So it’s not possible to replicate or get a very similar style of music to any artist on Udio, I’m guessing? If so, it makes sense.

[old belfry]

If we put in tempo does it recognize that, anyone notice?

[strange gorge]

Yeah but the other side of that is you can cram a whole bunch of words in Uido and watch as it makes the speaker/singer speak faster in order to try to fit it in the 33 seconds

[austere helm]

I mean, depends, hang on i'll find it, it literally says when you type it in "replacing artist name with:" and gives you the words

[sweet storm]

Ah, I see.

[strange gorge]

Saw that yeserday when someone tried Whitney Houston. Udio states right there (changing artists name with this: (words)

[sweet storm]

So it might describe their style

[night edge]

it's like playing chess with chatgpt, first few moves are great, but then either it's or your pieces start hopping all over the board in the mid to end game is the best analogy I can offer right now.

[austere helm]

yeah like i did Red Hot Chili Peppers and said replacing artist name with "alternative rock, male vocalist, smooth vocals, melodic" etc etc

[strange gorge]

Udio rules completely over Suno without question in being able to generate before whatever you are working on though

You never fight trying to get an intro with Udio

Just add it whenever you want

The downside is you kinda always start in the middle of the song

[sweet storm]

What if you’d name a well known album in the prompt on Udio?

Would that have any effect, if you know?

[strange gorge]

Since it won't, probably, give you your intro to start

[night edge]

gosh imagine having ai generation but with the interface of a track editor.

[west hull]

I started a spoken intro on udo, and on every extension it would not start singing... 😒 suggestions?

[sweet storm]

That does seem very useful. But they both have their strengths and weaknesses, of course.

[night edge]

"Oh I want to delete this section, and I want to copy this section here." And then have the AI do the blending.

[strange gorge]

The other thing about Udio I've found

It's great to be weird

But it will always be weird

[sweet storm]

How do people use Udio? It says there’s a waitlist

[strange gorge]

It sticks to whatever the genreation is and will. not. step. outside.

[night edge]

wait list? I just created an account

[strange gorge]

waitlist must be new

are you in the USA?

[west hull]

idk I made account yesterday

[night edge]

but that was yesterday

maybe the high volume caused them to restrict it

[strange gorge]

Might be new and due to so many people jumping on it

[sweet storm]

Wait, I seem to be able to make stuff now

[strange gorge]

Probably. It's working properly now

[west hull]

quite quick as well

[night edge]

remember that Suno had to upgrade their servers because they got hugged

[sweet storm]

Is this the correct screen I should be seeing?

[strange gorge]

george, the dev here for Suno (hi gerog) has talked a few times about infilling, aka inpainting, for v4 of Suno

That would be most of the way you are talking about

[west hull]

is that the app?

[night edge]

dude that woudl be rad, cause I love using Midjourney because of that

[strange gorge]

That's the other other issue with Udio. You can't cut anything at all. It's 33 seconds every time, no changing that\

[west hull]

phone or what? on my pc it looks kinda different

[sweet storm]

Can’t you extend it?

[west hull]

yes thats annoying too

[night edge]

Midjourney lets you take two images and then the AI creates a new interpretation using that data

[strange gorge]

You can sure, but exactly 33 seconds

You can't pick your time

[west hull]

its nice until 38 seconds ^^

[strange gorge]

Exactly

[sweet storm]

Ah, okay. Well, it’ll just get better and better, I’m sure.

[late crown]

All songs for Udio are easily recognizable because of the lengths.. 0:33, 1:06, 1:38, 2:11

[strange gorge]

yep

[late crown]

Extensions also become a bit distorded as well

[unkempt sedge]

guys how can i pay suno ? i dont have credit card..only paypal but i cant find this

[late crown]

I feel it is better for just for fun songs for now.. serious songs with guidance are really hard there

[west hull]

asylum of reverie 😵‍💫

[austere helm]

This is about the only thing from Udio i kinda think sounds good, its not my style of music entirely that i would try to make, but still is something i consider good singing
https://www.udio.com/songs/o9rPsKosJevyndyVPjWZQP

[strange gorge]

Wonder if the music stuff will settle to how the image generators are. You have your Dalle one, your Midjourney one, and your Stable Diffusion. People use Dalle because it's 'free' and follows prompts well, Midjourney is the prettiest and quite full featured, and different, and then Stable Diffusion which is whatever the heck you want it to me, unmatched features and depth if you dive in. Plus open source and your own hardware
Stable Audio has that aspect of covered for the audio side already, it will get there.

[sweet storm]

Oh well.

[late crown]

Midjourney is more for dummies imho.. everybody can make pretty pictures even if the prompts are bad

[strange gorge]

Like Suno

heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

[austere helm]

if you're gonna do AI images go for stable diffusion, if your PC can handle it

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mad-waving-brush-little-girl-baby-gif-12952554408829946762

[strange gorge]

Stable Diffusion is king for me because yeah, my own hardware and there are a billion +1 different things for the creatives, also run it right in Photoshop

segmentation and Ella and control nets and and and

[late crown]

Yep.. I have it too.. Automatic 1111 and ComfyUI

[austere helm]

is there somewhere on udio i can actually see the lyrics?

[strange gorge]

I switched to Forge vs. Auto1111

[austere helm]

like if i auto generate lyrics

auto1111 is mine

[strange gorge]

Forge is simply not-shit Auto1111

Literally the same interface but lots of stuff built-in and sidesteps all the weirdness

https://github.com/lllyasviel/stable-diffusion-webui-forge

[late crown]

I like ComfyUI.. it can make videos 😄

[strange gorge]

ComfyUI is probably the best since it gets all the new stuff faster

[austere helm]

might look into forge at some point, i had auto1111 installed but did a windows reinstall from 10 to 11 and never set it back up

[strange gorge]

But I haven't took the time to get used to the UI because
boy
it's weird

[strange gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdN068Sb0Zs

I can't overstate how drop-in replacement for auto1111

All the plugins and everything

[midnight river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines

[austere helm]

See with Udio... i like cant even understand the lyrics in the intro i added
https://www.udio.com/songs/37q73TmYGr6MMnNN6iaFvZ

I let it auto generate

[strange gorge]

exceptions are cool

and I can think of a few of them

In this case Forge is better than Auto1111 since it's the same, but works properly

But if you don't care about that then keep using auto1111, it's still there

It's Udio

www.udio.com

[languid moss]

Guys do you know alternative suno? Udio dosen’t work

[ebon flax]

Yeah, but the difference with doing that in Suno is you choose where it cuts off!

[strange gorge]

It's Suno and Udio, those are the only ones even close to each other

[austere helm]

Yeah the being locked to multiples of 33 seconds is the main deal breaker for me

[vestal moon]

Sonauto isn't bad but I don't know if it's accessible

[midnight river]

Hm, seems like studies show the opposite, the answer seems to be 'yes' most of the time though I think the reasoning behind this 'law' is a sound one

[strange gorge]

Oh right that one, man I really don't like sonauto

[vestal moon]

It's certainly not as good as Suno or Udio but it's the only other one that gets close

[strange gorge]

The way you interact with it doesn't jive with my sensibilities

You're right though

[rocky meadow]

Raw audio is a lot better in Udio. But making a coherent song is significantly easier in Suno.

[ebon flax]

im still using it, but yea that can be quite annoying, like when it's trying to base the lyrics pacing off the 33 secs. I think... or speculate at least... when you add stuff BEFORE and it has to make that first section meetup at 33 seconds... I wonder if that is what can lead to funny transitions. Ironically sometimes they can be clever musically, it's just they happen so often

[late crown]

True dat

[rocky meadow]

Guess it's a question of which team can address their weaknesses faster. Cheers for the consumers!

[strange gorge]

https://www.udio.com/songs/7UmaZCYF4qjpVDHkC5GyJv

[dry creek]

i agree about the audio vs ease of use stuff

[rocky meadow]

I mean I hope both are successful and stronger for it

[strange gorge]

That quality really comes through with certian genres

Udio shines with stuff that would have distortion

[late crown]

lol.. Suno peeps are motivated.. I can tell you that 😉

[strange gorge]

Since it seems like the quality advantage it has means that distortion stays disctinct

Instead of just mashing into noise

[dry creek]

Suno team does a good job at listening to their community

[rocky meadow]

Good. I'm paid for the year. LOL

[graceful swan]

This will hopefully lead to both services improving a lot over time. Competition is always good

[late crown]

Me too.. twice.. premium

[strange gorge]

The community is worlds better with SUno

This discord, the discourse, interaction, that stuff is not even a competition

It's a lot harder to build that

Than to just 'make better model'

[hearty storm]

this is why Competition is a W

[graceful swan]

true dat come on we have a helpful tree. How they gonna compete with that

[late crown]

W?

[rocky meadow]

LOL Udio's definitely got the double whammy of being new and being huge. It does not make for as cohesive community feel.

[hearty storm]

Win

Good

Positive

[late crown]

Yeah they think so too

truly.. they welcome it

[dry creek]

we have a great community here, only time i ever have problems with people they seem to have this next to their name

[hearty storm]

lmao

[dry creek]

and they seem to disappear pretty fast too

[graceful swan]

What I really don't like with udio is the 33 seconds which leads to much less consistency throughout the song. Also I had way less success with genre switching.. but at least it can sing lorem ipsum well

[hearty storm]

Suno's major pro's ATM are:

1. Easier to make a longform coherent song
2. Has paid plans and priority
3. Doesn't Require Credit for Commercializing on the Paid Plans.

I'm sure there are more, but these are the big 3 for me.

[rocky meadow]

Suno's community - well I do wish there were some more channels to split everyone into, and I'd love if the song sharing was limited in General. But I do feel at home here in a way I sure don't elsewhere.

[hearty storm]

Yeah, Udio community is a little rough being so new

[strange gorge]

I'm decently jaded so I don't expect it to improve

[dry creek]

i dont really understand why Udio didnt have discord setup before launching the beta. i thought that was REALLY weird

[midnight river]

I generated some cool tune if you want to use it https://suno.com/song/9581d99b-2828-4187-bbea-8665ba41cf5a

[graceful swan]

Ah come on how important can a community be ehh 😄

Do you think they went like "Ah shit I knew we forgot about something"?

[dry creek]

it looks like that lol

[rocky meadow]

Too busy trying to be stealth mode.

[dry creek]

when i joined it was pretty clear they had JUST created the discord server

[graceful swan]

Well that's definitely something

[strange gorge]

All that is why I don't have confidence Udio's community focus will improve

[young birch]

hi

[dry creek]

yeah seems like the discord/community was an after thought

[graceful swan]

I hope you are wrong but I can see where you are coming from yeah...

[dry creek]

i mean im pretty sure they banned Julie Wong almost right away so thats gotta mean something

shes a notorious troll lol

[strange gorge]

I mean you can see how important that 'community' is to Suno just in how it's handled. Moderators promoted from the community, guides, and they are in here seeing what we are all doing

That's effort nobody puts in

[hearty storm]

Not sure they have the best vetting for who they are putting as Community Leader's though

IMO

[dry creek]

yeah the thumbs up thumbs down system? lol

[strange gorge]

Most things like this fumble on the community side

[dry creek]

just screams "oh shit we didnt plan for any of this, you guys decide!"

[strange gorge]

no effort

[hearty storm]

Yeah, the guy that is currently Community Leader was getting ratioed in the chat for stupid takes just 12 hrs earlier

[strange gorge]

So then chumps are going to roll in like reddit and then there are weird in-groups and feifdoms and ugh

Yeah no thanks.

[rocky meadow]

Yeah, that was a serious red flag for me

[dry creek]

lol really?!

[hearty storm]

yeah, I can pull receipts, but probably have to put in Off topic

oh, wait, we in here

lol

[dry creek]

good thing thats where we are!

[strange gorge]

[dry creek]

i wonder if its the guy i blocked

[graceful swan]

F

I feared it was him

[dry creek]

yup i blocked him for dropping into my DMs just sending links to his songs without even saying anything

[rocky meadow]

What a sweetheart

[strange gorge]

a...degree in AI

[dry creek]

dude straight up spamming me

[hearty storm]

Yeah, and he is a Community Leader in their Discord

[dry creek]

i have an accounting degree, you dont see me bragging!

[strange gorge]

Man you guys are far more trusting than I am. I join a new discord, the whole thing gets muted immediately. Also ain't nobody DMin' me first without going through whatever discord's thing is

[dry creek]

i also mute immediately

[strange gorge]

Hey isn't that guy in here

[dim lynx]

sup

[dry creek]

i saw the message request, saw it was just a song link, blocked

[strange gorge]

Yeah lol

[dim lynx]

so we really talking trash now

[strange gorge]

Right so now that's taken care of

That's the whole feifdom thing

[hearty storm]

Yes

[strange gorge]

I can't see anything I don't know what you are talking about

[dry creek]

i started seeing "blocked message" pop up so im guessing hes in here now

[strange gorge]

They are yeah

[rocky meadow]

The call is coming from inside the house

[dry creek]

im just impatient when it comes to people DMing me

[strange gorge]

I use 'block' as a mute button for people I'm not interested in, very easy and quick to use it

[hearty storm]

yup

[gusty musk]

Okay, okay, I've played around with the new beast. It still lacks prompt understanding and isn't quite at the point where I would rely on it as an additional tool. But, the clarity and vocal models are pretty amazing. I think this is the main reason why everyone is talking about UDIO. I've been with Suno from the very beginning, so sit tight and let's see how it evolves next.

[dry creek]

if were gonna talk thats fine, but people just send me links or try to trash talk ai or whatever and i just dont have the patience

[dim lynx]

do t know what your problem is

[strange gorge]

Yep.

[dim lynx]

i haven’t done anything

lmao

[hearty storm]

I sent you a Friend Req, but not a DM

that was a couple days ago

[strange gorge]

There are literally billions of people on this planet, and many thousands I can interact with directly, right now

[dry creek]

on this account? I had to switch back to this one recently

[strange gorge]

Scrubbing one scrub (heh) from your view ain't shit

[hearty storm]

oh no, the jimjam3 I think

[dry creek]

yeahhhh it got banned LMAO

[strange gorge]

JormJeames

[dry creek]

i made a joke about being 12 and discord took it VERY seriously

[hearty storm]

okay, sent on this one lol

Damn

[dry creek]

accepted it! lol

[hearty storm]

maybe I misunderstood your take, re-reading it. I think I agree, but there will be a lot of, "nobody's".

[sweet storm]

I’ve written 310 song title ideas so far today.

[hearty storm]

nice

[sweet storm]

I like a lot of them

Lol

Really long list though

A personal record or something

Just spontaneously

[rocky meadow]

I rarely get more than 1-2 good ideas per week. I'm not sure what I would do with 300 lol

[hearty storm]

I have a few ideas queued up and a some poems i need to convert over still

been chilling for a bit, have been applying for jobs among other things

[rocky meadow]

Good luck and happy hunting!

[hearty storm]

yeah, still employed, luckily. Just sick of my job

Tech job market is horrendous

[dry creek]

i’m unemployed and bored out of my mind

made a lot on the stock market a couple months ago tho so i’m vibing

[hearty storm]

Interesting, yeah, never messed with Stocks, have some money in crypto, but a long term holder type of guy

I don't invest in volatile crypto, long term bets

XRP for example

[hearty storm]

the job market in general is not great unless you are trying to find work that pays less than 50k a year, and even that isn't great.

Speaking for the USA at least

[sweet storm]

I just tried Udio, and I’m not too impressed. Lol. Maybe I didn’t do it properly, but I asked for an instrumental in the style of Michael Jackson, and it made a short song with a voice in the start that actually sounded like a robotic and distorted version of Michael Jackson’s voice.

Listen for yourself. https://www.udio.com/songs/vWmojPGC3yYrv2bP14TaMX

But it had lyrics and singing

So not an instrumental

Although the words weren’t very audible

[hearty storm]

no lyrics in that?

interesting for what it is

but yeah, kinda mid

[sweet storm]

It sounded like lyrics lol

[hearty storm]

just sounded like a bunch of discombulated sounds IMO

[sweet storm]

Well, that’s a pretty accurate description lol

[inland anchor]

How were you able to use it? I just signed up today to see what it was about and I can't even use it. It says they're at capacity 😑

[sweet storm]

I was able to use it now a bit, but it does say that it currently has server issues

The Udio interface/UI is so far pretty hard to navigate. At least on mobile.

Like, I click on buttons and it either glitches or nothing happens.

I have tried refreshing

[rocky meadow]

I made a whole song and I thought it came out pretty decent. The sound quality is amazing. But the creation process is painful. https://www.udio.com/songs/fhZLFZTyCbejkMjTEaVZ5Y

[sweet storm]

Pretty decent actually

Although I think the voices on Suno are even less robotic

In some cases

I’ve gotten very smooth, nuanced, human-like vocals on Suno

[inland kernel]

the trending songs on udio are unbelievably good. havent been able to try creating

[rocky meadow]

Less robotic, but there is a static in the Suno ones that is not in the Udio ones, even when I'm not battling the Suno reverb. I tried to make the same song in Suno and going back and forth directly, you definitely hear that Suno's voice quality is lower.

But Suno has a much more dynamic delivery. To me the pacing on the voices seems the same on everything from shoegaze to speed metal in Udio.

[inland kernel]

the word that comes to mind is "coherence"- it seems to better stick to the traditional structure of a song

whereas suno sometimes its not clear where the chorus actually starts

[rocky meadow]

And Udio completely ignores previous choruses. It's just roll the dice until you get something sounds close enough that it might be the same song.

[inland kernel]

but again i only am seeing songs that have made it to trending so not a good sample size

[inland kernel]

ah, gotcha

no complaints about suno mind you its all amazing lol

[rocky meadow]

I still prefer Suno. Here I am chatting after all. But I can't say I'd be disappointed if competition prods them to their A-plus game. 🙂

[inland kernel]

Yea for sure!

sunov4 lesgooo

[orchid gust]

https://www.udio.com/songs/v9rCh43gNiSdNppCnbzB1X

[hearty storm]

I agree, the quality of sound is better on Udio, but I won't trade that for the overall package that Suno offers at the moment

[spice wedge]

udio is pretty dope aswell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKrxCBqLQno a 90s rap song - which can tell the vocals are more clear

I also made udio and sunoai songs in bluegrass style -- the 1st half is udio and 2nd half is sunoai which is fun, https://youtu.be/-noe7wFlUY8?si=iD-dpJGXV3NHgJ79

[sweet storm]

So far, Udio has been much worse than Suno, in my experience at least.

[hushed sequoia]

I'm just going to say that healthy competition is good for everyone. LLMs have it (and even an arena where they battles other LLMs!!), image gen has it, video gen has it, voice gen has it. I think this is a good development,competition in image gen led to improvements all across the industry like now every tool has a "region" or "spot" modify.

[spice wedge]

at first udio was not as smooth as suno, but I think it because sunoai does alot of favors in backend to mix up lyrics and structure? it seems to have higher success rate

[solid plover]

my fav song i made it did a good job mixing up the lyrics to flush out the song

https://suno.com/song/ac5a1b6f-2d04-40ef-bde2-a6e4a05e6399/

[hearty storm]

of course the competition is good, I agree.

[spark glacier]

https://suno.com/song/90f7553f-e7ce-4249-a3fb-29377387bb0f

🥹

[runic depot]

Shit goddamn it literally one of the big examples of where suno has room for improvement

and udio didn't do it

[graceful swan]

udio only has 33 seconds of context so 🤷‍♂️

[runic depot]

Yeah, sadly Suno's continue feature is the best we've got for making fine changes

[rocky meadow]

Not sure what the context is. It only gens 33 seconds at a time, but it could be listening to 60. But I suspect it's not. No, @runic depot any problems you think Suno has with consistency are seriously 10x worse in Udio.

[hearty storm]

I think that feature was built in assuming that people were too dumb to write proper song structures

it was supposed to be idiot proof

[orchid gust]

And guess what the ❤️ back on 🙂

[hearty storm]

but turns out to just be a pain in the butt

[rocky meadow]

But it does sound effing amazing.

[graceful swan]

True dat but it even loses things in the first part so all we know it could even be 15 seconds context.. or could 2 hours context but dumb af 🤣

like listen how often the voice and stuff changes https://www.udio.com/songs/p66uVGEgifEBLdoR5Ttyue

still good though

[rocky meadow]

Yup to both the lack of consistency and to it sounding good.

[spark glacier]

https://suno.com/song/377becac-c760-48ee-81cb-c72053911630

[graceful swan]

did udio fix the weird songs changing after gen a few times yet? that is kind of a hilarious issue. You be listening the result and then next time you play.. different song.. next time yet again different

[toxic root]

Yes

Seems like some people in this server just expect Udio to be perfect right off the bat. I mean, it's their V1 and IMO it's better than Suno, even though it's flawed (just like any AI model atm)

[hearty storm]

@queen dove Sonauto and Udio are the only other 2 worth mentioning and Sonauto is kinda crap

[rocky meadow]

Or like because it's not perfect, it's not a serious contender. It's definitely real competition. But I've no skin in the game. I'm happy to use the best tools available to me. And it might turn out that for some songs that's Suno and for others it's Udio and for still others it's some startup in stealth mode. I don't care who the winner is. and hopefully there isn't one winner.

[hearty storm]

Until Udio makes a Paid tier, it could just be a Data Harvesting tool lol

[rocky meadow]

LOL, it could be. blanchon, is that you?

[hearty storm]

Hell no lol

[rocky meadow]

I meant Udio might be blanchon, but thanks for putting any doubts I had about you to rest!

[hearty storm]

No, I have no interest in stealing anything and I'm not smart enough to make my own AI

[dusty reef]

Yo guys

Off topic

This is for music enthusiasts here

[hearty storm]

?

[dusty reef]

Just checked out this week's track drops on @GoGalaMusic! 🎶

The lineup is incredible, especially excited for the "RZR" soundtrack NFTs.

The fusion of music and blockchain is changing the game

[graceful swan]

I mean that is kind of the reason for relatively generous free usage right? Get much "real world" usage data fast.

[hoary ridge]

can we share songs here

i keep forgetting the rules

its kinda busy here so i dont stick around for long usually

how is everyone

[hearty storm]

well, I more so meant it could hypothetically just pop up for a week and then disappear forver, but the incentive for that would be odd. I was mostly joking

[hearty storm]

I think so, but the #🐣┃suno-showcase is for Suno stuff

But I have seen people posting Udio songs here

[hoary ridge]

what is udio

[hearty storm]

Different Music AI

[hoary ridge]

i only know about suno

oh

is it better?

[hearty storm]

no

Not overall

[hoary ridge]

suno was first right

[hearty storm]

Yes

[hoary ridge]

yeah ill keep investing in them then lol

i have been struggling to get my song heard for 2 decades

buddy shows me this

7.3k views in 28 days

i cant even believe it

ai is insane

[graceful swan]

Ah well could be. But yeah would be odd. I misunderstood the message then 😅

[hoary ridge]

hey thats ok

misunderstandings happen lol

we are human

anyone else having good luck with youtube channel views

or what are your goals??

[hearty storm]

Not as good as yours

[hoary ridge]

what are you making

[hearty storm]

I just want to monetize eventually

[hoary ridge]

how do you do that

do you need a shit ton of views or something

[graceful swan]

No.
I, Robot

[hoary ridge]

lols

well bot

[hearty storm]

You need 3-4k watch hours in the last 365 days and 1000 Subs to run Ads

[hoary ridge]

on youtube

what do you know about distrokid

i litterally just word vomit into suno, and generate what i like to run to then throw it up.

heres one if your interested

https://youtu.be/vkSmLp0vztY?si=8AoY2n9-5QHe6PNo

and i am trying distrokid

https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/thesandwichmaker/the-real-footlong

[hearty storm]

Interesting methodology

[hoary ridge]

but i am not convinced

it will be worth it

[rocky meadow]

I make music from love. Paying for my Suno sub is the dream. But I'd settle for paying for my DistroKid sub at this point LOL.

[toxic root]

Audio-quality wise, yes it's better

[hearty storm]

yeah, I'm not trying to game the system

want to actually like what I put out for the most part, although it's hard to make a perfect song especially with AI

[hoary ridge]

fair

[rocky meadow]

... and you can replace one word and keep the melody. Take that, Suno devs LOL

[sterile nebula]

unless it's at the end of the song right, then you can't remix because it's too big

[graceful swan]

but only on first gen right? After that it doesn't work anymore? Or is there a trick I overlooked?

[rocky meadow]

Yeah, can only remix the first segment in a song. But remix means remix, and you can swap a word out.

[potent tusk]

Me registran

[rocky meadow]

The number of times I've accepted one wrong word in a Suno gen because it was the first segment and it was the one that owned the melody is ... non-zero.

[potent tusk]

In Stanley please

Spanishq

En español

No

[late crown]

So anybody tried a manual mode lyric and know how to continue before it start with gibberish at Udio?

[graceful swan]

Fill it with more lyrics than it will fit into 33 seconds was my attempt which seemed to work

[potent tusk]

Mira no te entiendo nada me lo puede alguien pasar. A español

[late crown]

Yeah but if you like the current song?

[late crown]

english here please

[potent tusk]

Que

[late crown]

you want me to give you a time out for mocking me?

[sterile nebula]

Throwing in more lyrics? it's tough, if you're lucky it will humm or something instead, it seems to just fill the space with whatever it wants

[late crown]

So no way to keep the same song... I have to start again

[sterile nebula]

You can probably keep genning and get a good one, but as far as I can tell there's no direct control really

[potent tusk]

Hoy can speak spanish

[toxic root]

He just said he didn't understand you, chill

[toxic root]

Somente inglés porfavor, amigo

[late crown]

I don't need your help, thanks..

[potent tusk]

You can Speak spanish

[graceful swan]

Ah so you already have a gen and like it but it ends in gibberish?

[toxic root]

You really are one of the worst MODs out there Jesus. Enough with that attitude, you're here to help people

[late crown]

There is an spanish chanel.. but if you want to talk here, you will have to talk in english so we can all udnerstand

[hearty storm]

@potent tusk https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1102236954889814156

[potent tusk]

No entender very mucho

[late crown]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1154779774858833940 Here is the spanish chanel

[hearty storm]

oh, did I post the wrong one

[rocky meadow]

You can regen it and set the similarity high. Maybe alter the lyrics a bit. I'm no expert but there is a similarity slider on the regen screen.

[hearty storm]

isn't spanish and espanol the same thing?

[potent tusk]

Thank you

[late crown]

Hi Vito, due to your recent message that didn't align with our community guidelines on respect, you've been temporarily timed out for 24 hours. Let's take this time to reflect on how we can interact more positively in the future.

[late crown]

yes 😄

But there are different kind of spanish.. You've got Mexican who speak spanish too..

They do understand each other though

[hearty storm]

gotcha gotcha

[late crown]

Yeah.. but it is the first part.. and I was just testing but I got this gibbrisch taking over.. just hoped something like a time stamp 😦

this example. Was just a test: https://www.udio.com/songs/qAcTotujQ3BMy7rHravwNL

[graceful swan]

Oh if it's first part try remix for sure

it's proper remix it is what @rocky meadow meant with the similarity slider

[late crown]

True dat.. But that is not my point.. What if you REALLY like the first outcome.. but just not the last 15 seconds..

[graceful swan]

Hmm I can't test right now but when i used it earlier remix was proper remix and let you correct small mistakes maybe try with similarity cranked up and just add lyrics at the end? In theory it should come out very very similar

[late crown]

Interesting.. will try.. thanks 🌼

Lol.. totally different.. but okay.. It's fine.. Just exploring 😄

[graceful swan]

Ah well unlucky then. I think in the udio discord someone figured out something with a seed. But i need to check that out myself if the code snippet he posted is safe. Will let you know tomorrow

[late crown]

Thanks.. I would love to hear that!

[ionic galleon]

ideogram.ai is good at making ads ngl

"waj hte bekt lhe i/trua tihe vor nonyith sheny yor, and frost so inspiring

[hoary wind]

Udio seems to do really well with weird stuff

[west hull]

dude we sahre the topic ^^

I really enjoyed that

-_- clickable

wtf its 2 mins ^^

https://www.udio.com/songs/nZ5WtfgppUVx5iyDJYStzu

sry Idk better

[supple totem]

udio is terrible for me ;x

[west hull]

this took quite a while, next on suno as well like 20 outputs

udio can do magic stuff it only takes forever, and often it's very odd like mine as well

The vocals are way better and soundquality often, too. But for me Suno is more like music while a lot of udio is totally off or really weird. and than it doesnt go anywhere.. the style remains, no real chorus, the lines are off, etc.

ah and with suno I'm annoyed with the intros. Ihave a spoken one and half of all generations are totally muffled and buhu ^^

[rocky meadow]

Suno loves the word "clear" on vocals if you want the balance of singer versus instruments to tip to the singer. "clear female vocals" in the style prompt is my go to.

[west hull]

ok thank you.. I'll tryon the next generation.. I'm at 18 now and most of them are musicwise ok but I can't hear the intros -.-

https://suno.com/song/b2e890e6-ed46-438e-838d-bd21db0ae32a this is a "good" one 😄

well it's clearer now, but it's not spoken anymore

idk it's only diddling around anyway

[toxic root]

Hey 3Daizy, reported your attitude to the Staff :) thanks for the time out though, very friendly of you. Hope you either change or lose your role as a MOD

Honestly hope criticism is still allowed in this server :)

[late crown]

Threats against moderators are serious breaches of our guidelines. You've been given a 24-hour timeout to reflect on the importance of respectful interaction.
Threats are different than criticism.

[quasi apex]

Genuine question, where was the threat? Deleted or something?

[grim idol]

Oh, can you share the tags?

[late crown]

Vito’s messages, while reflecting criticism, also border on disrespect and indirect threats, which are against our community guidelines.

[hoary wind]

I'm impressed with how it articulated all of this. Took a few tries for it to start with something creepy.

Prompt: raspy demon, reverberating, breathy, intimidating, uneasy

[ivory stag]

RIP suno

[hoary wind]

I don't think so.

[ivory stag]

Long live the king Udio!

[fast marsh]

I tried to make a song using Udio with some lyrics I made for a song I made using Suno and it butchered those lyrics and couldn't get the feel like Suno did. So I think Suno is still got it until Udio team gets better. I won't say Suno doesn't have some competition though. Udio definitely has the potential to become better.

[safe crest]

COMEPLETELY random question, anybody here like Digimon or play the card game?

[hearty storm]

You have to give Credit with Udio, so no, not really.

[old belfry]

Who can we tell that the quality has dropped significantly and I am using credits for junk that is not my fault. If I have to keep generating until it's not static or lyrics skipping or music sounding muddled, how is that our fault and why should we pay for that?

[fast marsh]

I like Digimon but haven't played the card game even though I have some cards. lol Honestly the series kinda died off for me after a while when they started getting crazy with the story.

[hearty storm]

some generations are just going to be stuck in that loop

[safe crest]

I have something for you then!

https://suno.com/song/cb3e57c9-4622-4952-95df-c4c6fcbbc081

[ivory stag]

this is like dalle vs midjourney, but in music generation

[hearty storm]

You can try #💡┃suggestions-web or #📚┃suno-school though

[old belfry]

Thank you

[fast marsh]

Pretty much. That's what I was thinking when I seen some YouTubers covering them both. lol

[sand notch]

Wow this is really great. Nice one.

[safe crest]

If you're ever bored I recommend just taking some of your favorite cards, their titles, and card text then tossing them in

https://suno.com/song/8f950a82-6b87-4b75-867a-e3becf9986b3

[hybrid yacht]

Thanks been working on it for hours. Hard one to finish but I’ll finish it and release it. Probably gonna do a full 80s glam hair metal album

[sand notch]

You are definitely on the right track. I really like the vocalist; they're very authentic. Just so you know, I figured out that Udio allows you to access the seed (unlike suno), but it's not exposed in the UI. However, you can use it as a parameter when making the generation request. I'm not sure if you're technical or not, but I hope that makes sense. I thought that might be useful to you if you want to create an album with the same vocalist for each song, maybe.

[rocky meadow]

Everything I tried to "port" from Suno to Udio I was disappointed with. You really need to start from scratch. We've all kind of learned the rules for Suno and believe they are THE rules engraved on tablets from on high. But Udio does behave according to its own edicts and it makes beautiful (though not necessarily consistent) music.

[vocal furnace]

Divorce Papers on Christmas - the best christmas present!? 🎄

Also I'm so surprised the female voice came in in the later part of the song, didn't expect that but it turned out pretty well I think 😄

https://www.udio.com/songs/s46f36zwzZg5sJTrDvx7fW

[hybrid yacht]

Interesting. I know about the whole seed thing but not with Udio. I think maybe I’m going for various artists on each song and just release on an album so it’s all the same genre but different variety of singers. Seems like a little extra work trying to get the same singer. But that’s good to know.

[fast marsh]

Yeah I figured it would have its own edict but I was hoping it might get the feel from lyrics we make of our own that wasn't AI generated. -shrugs- Everything I've generated using Udio hasn't been great even if it wasn't a port from Suno so I'm kinda leaning towards staying with Suno for now.

[hybrid yacht]

Only thing I don’t like is when Udio makes a song it starts from like halfway or something so auto generated hasn’t worked out too good for me yet. It’s very hard to complete the song with auto generated keeps mixing up choruses and verses. A bit messy. Might have to make my own lyrics in the future.

[sand notch]

Brutal, lmao. Such a dissonance between the lyrics and the tone of the cheerful Christmas song.

[rocky meadow]

I'm still here. But damn is the quality there on Udio. Just the voices, the instruments. So clear. The vocal delivery is stilted (to my ear) and it tends to forget from one segment of the song to the next what it is supposed to sound like. And I just like the interface on Suno better. But it''s a decent product. I made one whole song and I was happy with the result.

[fast marsh]

I did kinda find a little trick to making sure songs keep the same beat/feel when extending them on Suno though. If you get so far and the next extension sounds like its starting to deviate from what you wanted it to do, then get the full song before attempting to continue extending the song. So far it has worked for both me and my hubby. I thought it was a fluke at first but then we kept getting consistent results last night with extending songs.

[vocal furnace]

yeah it forgets how the chorus is supposed to sound, but it often works out kinda nicely lol

[sand notch]

Agreed, for their first model, Udio is really astounding, considering where Suno started. The clarity and range in vocals are what really get me. It's just next level.

[hybrid yacht]

Agree. The clean quality is the big one. They need to work on the UI a bit and workflow. It’s a bit tricky. It’s also annoying the songs auto play and it’s a bit hard to remove the ones you don’t like and like.

[vocal furnace]

Quality is simply astounding. For a Beta that's insane

[hybrid yacht]

Udio’s beta is like Suno v4 if they had it lol

[sand notch]

The way I see it, it's just another tool in the toolbox. Like how I use both Claude Opus and GPT-4 as LLMs, each has its pros and cons, and I use them where appropriate. In the same way, I plan to use Udio and Suno, as they both have their strengths. It's clear Suno is trained on way more material and genres.

[hybrid yacht]

V3 Suno sounds like 128kbps. It ruined so many of my good songs.

[sand notch]

That's funny, I felt the same thing when I first tried it. I felt like I was using what I imagined Chirp/Suno V4 to be.

[hybrid yacht]

I also noticed guitars and guitar solos sound very realistic with Udio. On Suno it was terrible and rarely sounded real.

[sand notch]

I've had some pretty awesome guitar solos on v3.

[hybrid yacht]

I’ve done a bunch of Rock on Suno and some are pretty decent but when I tried it on Udio it just sounded cleaner and more realistic? I dunno. I just like it more on Udio.

[rocky meadow]

My main complaint about Suno is the reverb. I know that isn't the #1 of the community, but my overall song quality has fallen because since I started hearing the reverb I can't unhear it and I'll choose the no-reverb clip over one I would have liked the delivery or creativity from otherwise.

[sand notch]

https://suno.com/song/943b1cb8-8146-4f2d-a343-adcc0bba571a

Here is one I did with v3. You are right compared to udio its not as clear.

[vocal furnace]

If Udio increases their 33 sec track (at one time) limit (which I'm sure they will soon enough) and somehow makes the AI remember and replicate the way verses and choruses are sung in previous sections - they'll be unstoppable

[hybrid yacht]

My biggest isssue was almost all song had that artifact sound on both the music and vocals. I also feel the vocals are stronger and cleaner on Udio. I’ve heard some powerful singing on Udio as well as Suno but it’s just more cleaner and realistic on Udio.

[hybrid yacht]

That’s not bad but yeah you can hear that artifact somewhere in there.

[hybrid yacht]

You can actually tell the difference without someone telling you which is Suno or Udio. Suno has this signature sound lol.

[sand notch]

Yes, the 33-second context window is the biggest issue with Audio compared to Suno right now. After that, it would be the bugs and issues with their system, as well as the restrictions on generations and all the errors in their process. If they can work on those it would be pretty big.

[hybrid yacht]

And make gens faster. Suno is like 10-15 seconds gen time.

[rocky meadow]

The singing is cleaner on Udio. But I swear there's more emotional range (from my limited testing) in Suno. Suno can make me feel longing or despair. I have not achieved that in Udio yet. It's pretty, but pretty like a statue.

[sand notch]

OK, now here is one I did with Udio. You can hear the guitar come in around 1:10. Definitely a difference. It really sounds like a capture of someone playing.

[hybrid yacht]

They also need to fix the UI and options for better workflow. I like Sunos work flow. When you don’t like a track you just dislike it and it disappears making it easier to know what’s good and bad. And I like how it shows where the track continued from.

Also the timestamps is good.

[hybrid yacht]

Yeah that’s nice man

[sand notch]

I know exactly what you mean. I tried to replicate the specific emotion and feel of longing/despair with udio, and couldn't do it. The MP3 attached is from V3 alpha and really captures the feeling.

[hybrid yacht]

Here’s a sample of some strong solo vocals. I found it better than Suno too.

[old belfry]

The quality has gone down since a couple of days ago and the reverb is ruining the music. It's too much and off center. Also, it skips lyrics, hops and the music is generally more muddled. I hope they can fix it but it's not Midjourney. They don't tell us anything here like they do over there where we at least have office hours and can discuss with them directly problems and solutions. I am contemplating cancelling my subscription for now because without communication, How are we supposed to know if they even care about the problems. They are still getting paid and in fact we are spending good credits on bad output. I hope they notice and are working on fixing things.

[rocky meadow]

I miss v3a soooooo much!

[sand notch]

I agree, but compared to the very first web UI Suno did with V2, Udio's inaugural offering is really quite good.

[hybrid yacht]

There’s a guitar solo in this too

[old belfry]

any recommendations to switch to Udio? Nothing in the past 2 days since the changes they made is sounding remotely good.

[sand notch]

Not the genre I'd expect to have an electric guitar solo, but it works, lol. Sounds good.

[sand notch]

The changes in suno or udio?

[old belfry]

The changes in Suno.

[rocky meadow]

I know this proves your point, but what changes? There's nothing in announcements.

Was there any purple name actually saying what was changed?

[old belfry]

There was a message that they were doing something with their systems a few days ago and it Suno was offline. After that, the quality has been degraded significantly.

It was a banner at the bottom of the page I believe, orange.

Or red

[rocky meadow]

I thought they just made some DB changes to improve capacity, no actual model changes.

My gens today sound about the same as last week

[old belfry]

Something happened unless it's Mercury in retrograde, lol

Because it's not just me, my friend who also uses Suno played something for me from before the change and same prompt after Suno went back online and the difference is striking. One is great the other horrible

And today for me it's garbling lyrics now

[rocky meadow]

I dunno nothin'. The general channel moves so fast now-a-days I can't keep up. So I've been on the AI music showcase discord instead of here until Udio came out and made off-topic a decent place to hang out, LOL.

[old belfry]

Ah okay is Udio better?

[rocky meadow]

Better... for what? How you answer that question will determine the answer to the question, lol

It has its strengths and weaknesses

[old belfry]

Yeah, I mean less muddled sounding music and more clear vocals, not garbled, and not over processed

[rocky meadow]

Sound quality is amaze-balls. But workflow and consistency are less fun.

[sand notch]

Udio is "better" in that case. However less range of genres I believe.

[rocky meadow]

You can only do one gen at a time and there is a significant chance any extending of a song gives you something seems like it was made for a completely different song than the one you are extending

[old belfry]

I will have to explore. I like that with Suno you can mix stuff up or at least i used to be able to now I get muddled sounding noise, literally noise, lol,

Oh that's so funny

[sand notch]

Also, FYI, Suno absolutely did not change the model on the backend over the last few days; it was strictly database work.

[old belfry]

Okay, well, then I was really lucky 3-4 days ago and now I'm not lol

[sand notch]

Sometimes that works in your favor though and gives a nice unique sound to that part of the song.

[rocky meadow]

Sometimes the slot machine hates you

[old belfry]

Hehe, I dunno do you want to hear the garbled mess I just got?

[rocky meadow]

Udio is also completely free right now if you can sign up. 600 prioority gens for the month, and unlimited total gens. But you will need quite a few to finish a song.

So no down side to trying it

[old belfry]

Okay I just spent almost $300 for Suno. I think I will cancel for a while and try Unio

[grim idol]

That's right. But the one thing... there have been some reports that there could be more recent bug specifically in song continues, and also there are a suspiciously high number of songs ending in :58 seconds, that combined are keeping my on the lookout for a glitch there somewhere. But I haven't dug it and tested myself. (Even if that is a bug it's likely not in the model itself.)

Also the model is different betwen V3 Alpha and V3, to be clear. But that happened much more than a few days ago.

[rocky meadow]

Judge for yourself. I did, and I'm hanging out here chatting with the Suno peeps. 🙂

[old belfry]

I really liked Suno but I also want the music to work again. Maybe they will work it out in a few days. Who knows.

[rocky meadow]

I'll still make some more Udio songs, but I do find it frustrating, more so than Suno.

[sand notch]

Good to know. Jonathan here probably has more time on every version of Chirp than anyone else on this Discord, so he would know. 😄

[sand notch]

But when Udio works it's magic.

[old belfry]

That's cool, I'm going to try it now.

Some of the songs I made on Suno several days ago (just joined) are sweet! But now, it's been just me wasting my credits.

[cedar lotus]

Just checking - are y'all getting your style descriptions just inserted as lyrics over the last day or two?

[rocky meadow]

Some days it be like that

[cedar lotus]

keeps happening on my end unless I super-simplify the description

[old belfry]

Can you put in your own lyrics on Udio?

[old belfry]

Yes

[rocky meadow]

Yes.

[old belfry]

Cool thanks!

[sand notch]

FYI, the key to not getting garbled or garbage outputs is your style tags. Don't put too many; less is more here. Start with the base genre only and work your way up from there.

[cedar lotus]

ok thank god I'm not going crazy here. and poking around I see other people noticing the much much more washed out hissy generations all of a sudden

ugh

[old belfry]

Okay, that's a good tip

[old belfry]

Yeah, lol

[sand notch]

Also, V3 is particularly sensitive to lyrics having an influence on the song itself compared to earlier versions. If the lyrics don't match the genre in your style tags, you will get bad results.

[grim idol]

I'm actually trying the Udio "optimized" tag lists in Suno and you know, they often work super great in Suno too. Udio seems to know a lot about good prompting! The optimized Udio tags are typically so long you can't even fit them all in Suno. Udio sometimes only shows user tags, but you can see the full list in the webpage source, which is what I copied into the Suno clip here.

For example if you ask Udio to make a song like the Beatles:
https://suno.com/song/165e38b7-312f-4a5a-a25f-634f66370e66/
https://www.udio.com/songs/032e5a41-e272-4d4a-8d30-86d3b1a03508

[old belfry]

My friend too. They turned me onto Suno a few days ago because their music was amazing. But then this happened, hope they fix it . I think it must be complicated though.

[rocky meadow]

Here's my comparison, Udio to Suno. The Udio is a complete song because I wanted the experience of making one, while the Suno is the best first segment of about 20.. But make for yourself and judge. I don't have any reason to prefer one over the other.

https://www.udio.com/songs/pk8feSnGkvssmAU5qtn6SS

https://suno.com/song/76cbbc37-860f-4d62-9cc1-e6ab67c87722

[sand notch]

Follow my tips and try again. I've been around here since day one; it's probably an issue related to what I mentioned. They haven't changed the model since v3 release. You can always back down to v2 as well.

[old belfry]

Oh that's interesting. I am trying to do a rant in anime style, because I heard some anime songs recently that sounded happy but she was ranting and I thought I was funny so I decided to try and make one with some ranty lyrics. I don't think the ai liked it. It just will not do the song justice and it even put this creepy sounding voice in there right tin the middle, like wot? Lol I'm still freaked out by it.

[grim idol]

Honestly Udio does a great creating a tag list to sound like a specific artist, even for Suno, much better than the various websites or asking ChatGPT to do this. It's a fun extra use case for their site. Ask udio for a song about X, then you get a nice list of tags that may also do very well in Suno. By well, it may or may not sound like the artist, but it usually sounds better than a boring simple prompt at the very least.

[rocky meadow]

Sooooo many tags. When I tried to do my comparison, I had to remove quite a few of them to fit in Suno and then put them in the structure prompts lol.

[sand notch]

I noticed as well, but to get it to do the artist replacement tags, it seems you need to actually submit a generation POST. Or am I wrong? Too bad it's not a separate API endpoint like lyrics generation in Suno.

[grim idol]

Yeah. I'm constantly recommending to users, and even complaining to Suno, that the default tag lists are too short and not diverse enough, and I think Udio is squeezing more of their model by doing better on that front.

[sand notch]

V3 is better at this but too many style tags or the wrong ones can really harm the output though, in my experience.

[grim idol]

I don't think there is a way to do it without doing a POST, but you can also just look at other user's Udio songs and see the tag list and if they asked for "A song in the style of artist X' originally. Sometimes only in web page source, not sure why it is not always visible, because I do see it on main page on some songs.

[sand notch]

I know I tried Dolly Parton, and it really nailed the tags and got that "Nashville sound."

[warm swan]

Udio can do didgeridoo, that's a plus.
What is interesting is the same problems it has with Suno:

• degradation of voice/song as you extend it
• "forgetting" the song/melody in each extension
• style changing in each extension
• vocal chorus effect
• hallucinating or making up lyrics

[runic depot]

someone explain Udio's "optimized prompts" to me.

[warm swan]

From https://www.udio.com/pricing: Our product is free for the duration of the beta program. In this period, you can make up to 1200 songs / month.

[grim idol]

In non manual mode, it takes your tags and rewrites the list, generally adding a lot more. Occasionally making a big mistake like also removing 'bagpipes' from your list, but in general, helps a lot.

[runic depot]

The forgetting makes sense, because "remembering" is hugely expensive and gradually becomes questionable. Even text AIs forget stuff pretty quickly. The more interesting thing is what causes the vocal chorus and degradation over time.

That I couldn't even hazard a guess at.

[fossil mesa]

https://github.com/jasonppy/VoiceCraft new model and tool dropped

[runic depot]

Ah, so that's all those extra tags that don't appear in manual mode.

[covert goblet]

im glad to see my opinion on udio is similar to others, because the quality is really good but suno seems to be better at getting usable songs if you know what you're doing.. still testing though!

all I saw was news of "suno killer" and I don't agree with that, they both seem to have advantages

[warm swan]

This is one song I got to completion. At each phase it didn't go where I hoped it would, but I'm not disappointed either.
https://www.udio.com/songs/iMg1e2fCxjJZ6zJwekxWSB

[runic depot]

They do say that their long term plans are for granular control and musician-oriented features like providing references, so my hopes are high for udio

it's just... all I'm saying is... udio's capabilities are leaps and bounds ahead of suno, not just in ways like "it sounds good" and "the voices are more natural"

In one of my first gens I got an audio panning effect. There are cowboy accents and Broadway acting on front page songs. None of that is in suno's data, ever

[hearty storm]

might have something to do with the "undetectable" watermark

[covert goblet]

I agree with the quality, effects, range of instruments, but I haven't heard many good songs come out of it yet is all -- maybe I'm beyond the "wow" phase after suno came out idk

[runic depot]

Also I'm willing to bet that with some experimentation, I'll find that udio has different hangups about what's allowed to go with what.

[placid sedge]

hi

[warm swan]

Each tool has its own subset of pros and cons.
Udio didn't seem to understand klezmer at all and that is something Suno does really well.

[grim idol]

V2 in some ways has less signature than V3, though a lot of tracks are overall not remarkable, kind of flag. I do get plenty of Stereo in V3 instrumentals (but not much popular sung genres), but it might be because I use very strange prompts that push the model into more atypical places, which is easier to do in instrumentals.
https://suno.com/song/71a6edfe-c4f3-4944-9db5-6b723703ce57/

[runic depot]

whoa

[grim idol]

feels to me there is so much still buried poential in existing Suno Models that just can't be prompted for easily or at all, but maybe some tiny tweak could change it entirely. just wild uninformed speculation though

also bark is like this, where it can sound like total garbage, but also perfectly clear and so human it's scary, so it's in there somewhere. but you gotta get in into that bark code with a sledgehammer and start smashing things to change it up.

[runic depot]

Yeah, all kinds of stuff in suno that is there but can't be prompted. And yet, occasionally someone figures out that you can prompt something as specific as "arpeggio" or "vocal chops"

Could be that whatever "tagging system" made the association between music and words was less comprehensive than we'd like.

[grim idol]

I've certainly gotten broadway acting in Suno, though in V3 typically it only stays as pure acting for a little while. inevitably they burst in to song. so you have to keep re-continuing it from before that happens.

[runic depot]

I'm not even convinced that I can prompt "double kick drum" let alone "blast beat" but somehow "touhou" is valid yes I'm serious

[grim idol]

"Liverpool" is a stronger live music style prompt than literally "live music" so I'm not surprised lol.

[peak compass]

What prompt gets you an actual sea shanty?

[runic depot]

The quality of instruments is night and day. It's like going from LCD to OLED. Airpods to wired over-ear headphones.

[grim idol]

Actually in general my experience is that any prompt with multiple words like "double kick drum" is weak if it even works. If there a single word name for a specific type of that drum or something like that it may work better. Or maybe using dashes between the terms.

[runic depot]

"blast beat" has less chance of being misinterpreted but that doesn't work either

[grim idol]

What is a blast beat? Let me google quick

[runic depot]

Kick drum at inhuman speed that can only be done with two pedals

Or, you know, a synthesizer.

[grim idol]

I have had trouble getting any "double normal music speed" stuff from V3, also in EDM genres

I think I have heard it but never prompted it

[runic depot]

I got some pretty sick speedcore but it was still well within the realm of normal music BPM

[grim idol]

Maybe it was in a chiptune actually, so kind of cheating

[runic depot]

You know what, let me try right now to prompt the most psychotically high energy song possible

and then just to see, I'll do the same in udio

[grim idol]

When I test stuff I full spam mode, "maniacal, maniacal, maniacal, maniacal" and then maybe variants using ";" or " " between terms.

What is the name of a well known artist in that genre? I'll ask Udio for a song about it, then try the tag list on Suno

I think "hitech trance" was the edm genre i could not get fast enough from Suno

maybe I'll try that

[runic depot]

There's a genre where the thing is having 1000+ BPM, so that the beat becomes a droning sound

like the artists challenging themselves to do that and still make it recognizably "music"

Two presses of the button, three fast but only reasonably fast songs, one absolute clusterfuck

https://suno.com/song/178e84b3-a550-463f-bc93-1cad99e390cc

Here's my favorite out of the others

https://suno.com/song/cfcd8f5b-2b39-4cc3-8494-4a5eb42ad1a1

I don't know that the "nightcore" tag works, but it felt right to use it

[grim idol]

This failed epically but is actually epic in its own way https://www.udio.com/songs/ipXRzpKhBgKEkXrr3nXTvA

"Manic" is a promising style word maybe

[fathom aspen]

I love suno a ton. But this generation on udio carried me away. Couldn't believe it https://www.udio.com/songs/rMx3agX3s55U7eiYq1HU97

[fathom aspen]

Lmao that's hilarious

[runic depot]

I use "frantic"

[runic depot]

What the duck

[grim idol]

It got it so wrong that it came out the other side so right

[runic depot]

So here's what made me say that udio has stereo panning. This isn't random like yours, it's "intentional"

https://www.udio.com/songs/jBJjDMKQ8ahYhzZ6PG6SRt

[grim idol]

I'm sure I'm not typical, but getting something like that madness from V3 is way too hard, love seeing it just pop out of the model like that. Good sign in my book.

[runic depot]

I got one really interesting thing and one disaster

https://www.udio.com/songs/vrxXxy4mHBNsXYQWCFbBu5

this is weird, no idea what happened here

and the other... wait... udio actually PROMPTED for "fucked up headphones warning noise explosion"

https://www.udio.com/songs/bY9uv5DBtKjkKGM1gQ4Uc7

HEADPHONE WARNING

[fathom aspen]

Omg 😅

[runic depot]

it took my words and said "understood, here are some additional prompts to achieve the most horrible possible earblaster"

[grim idol]

I tried using this Udio prompt in Suno. The longer "optimized" prompt in Suno, not the shorter one on top. The Udio optimizations not bad all in Suno. The firs one I removed orchestral to make room in the prompt but I added it back for second:
https://suno.com/song/d445486f-26da-4b94-8c56-345877e6dcf9/

I did get too many choruses so that was picked 1 of 4, the others were more like:
https://suno.com/song/e9e0c8e0-4091-4f8b-b321-562995bb99cc/

[fathom aspen]

Wow!

[runic depot]

the "optimized prompts" are genius really

It strips out meaningless words and adds better ones

[fathom aspen]

What exactly are optimized prompts?

[runic depot]

Udio has the same thing going on as simple mode and custom mode, and in its equivalent of simple mode, it adds/removes keywords and you get to see all the words it went with

[grim idol]

Green is your prompt, red are the tags Udio actually used. On some song pages the optimized version is not displayed and is only visible in the web page source code.

[fathom aspen]

Ahh okay

[grim idol]

Presumably Udio knows some tags have little or no effect and ignores/replaces them, and others are used to add diversity/randomness

[runic depot]

Using manual mode I got two winners.

Well, "winners," they sound terrible but they sound terrible in the ways we were hoping for.

https://www.udio.com/songs/dGgbMPDhHWnvyRdXkgRLCq

https://www.udio.com/songs/hWc6cBbPxZSEHAKf3VBRpo

Now, through all my Udio experiments I've mostly made unlistenable messes

Time to try making something more normal.

[grim idol]

My normal testing behavior is to prompt the same exact thing 100 times, change one thing, prompt it 100 more times. Since I can't do that in Udio I am mostly browsing around and looking at other people's songs and prompts to get a feel for it.

[runic depot]

Let's see what happens when I crank a bunch of contradictory genres into udio

how about emo, dubstep, and some less heavy EDM

[grim idol]

I think to do this right, take two different optimized prompts and merge them yourself. I suspect if you just blindly try and guess all the tags you might get uncluky and one of the genres ends up much stronger than the other by RNG.

[runic depot]

I want to see what happens to the auto-keywords when I do that

[grim idol]

Oh of course, yeah, just ask for the hybrid to start. I was thinking you were jumping straight to manual.

[amber matrix]

the male voice is too close to Josh Groban and that is a problem there... you can get sued

[runic depot]

https://www.udio.com/songs/uQ9WczQ4Hj4cZ89UvzXzVo

This one was too easy. Let's really set udio up to fail with contradictory genres that suno would flat refuse to do.

Classical, death metal, country, and... vocaloid

[fathom aspen]

Then sue me

lol

Not doing anything with the song

[runic depot]

yeah udio seems very willing to create disasters whereas if you ask for the impossible from suno it'll just ignore half the tags

[zinc forum]

Hmm discord... It's been a while..

Probably since the 2015 or 2016.

[grim idol]

I think you linked the wrong song that seems just EDM genres

[runic depot]

yeah but I got an emo singer

[grim idol]

Oh is that what udio did when you asked for death metal country? In that case it really punted!

[dense echo]

This is where all the udio mfs are at? yall not talking in the server ? 💀

[grim idol]

I'm been chatting in udio server too, but it's a lot of new people, not much technical prompting discussion yet

[dense echo]

ahh okay okay i getchu

[runic depot]

no that's "emo, dubstep." What I have next is an actual demonstration of what happens when I ask for the impossible

[dry sluice]

Off topic question! What moderators in this server do you adore the most, and get the most help from/are really kind and nice. And what moderators do you hope to dismiss/unmod?

[runic depot]

So when you ask for the impossible from udio, it just ignores half of what you said and goes with something sensible. Look at what it went with for "classical, death metal, country, vocaloid"

And also LISTEN TO THAT FUCKING SCREAM! ACTUAL SUNO KILLER

https://www.udio.com/songs/dQuiPQ53Y6SVnEuCSdpt3y

[dense echo]

WTFFFFFF

[runic depot]

The other one from this gen was, as you say, a total punt

https://www.udio.com/songs/kw1j6HUUWcRHFTkEPo8PvM

[runic depot]

LIKE. THE FACE I MADE WHEN THAT HAPPENED.

SHE ISNT EVEN REAL BUT SHE COULD CHOKE ME OUT

[dense echo]

SHE PUT HER WHOLE ROBUSSY INTO IT 😭

[grim idol]

Actually I remember for some reason trying to make Death Metal / Cute Anime Singer hybrid in Suno V1. It didn't realy work (more like the death metal voice took turns with the cute anime voice, instead of being a hybrid) but interesting here

[runic depot]

bro I can't even get rap + EDM in suno

I guess I'll try that in udio

[dense echo]

udio is good with rap

[runic depot]

Udio has a similar problem with ignoring requests for the gender of the vocalist it seems

[karmic valve]

@grim idol I think that I've a problem, I bougt the pro version but I think is linked with another email that is not the same of this discord account, I can´t try all features here, I don't know if is the same in the website

[runic depot]

Complete failure. Let's see about manual mode.

[grim idol]

For billing changes, you need email [e-mail] and they can update your account or link it properly. But it may not matter much actually because the Discord version of the music AI is not working so not having credits in Discord does not really matter right now. And even when Discord was working it was only version V1, and website is version V3.

[grave sequoia]

Manual mode has been my go to.

[runic depot]

Okay listen Udio, I realize that AIs are inherently not equipped to create truly novel things, and I understand that what makes sense to me may not line up with what's possible within your process,

but what the fuck.

https://www.udio.com/songs/oXmBLHAcVvWBq6oYVhRnUP

I... what the hell

this isn't rap this is the opening to a horrible r&b song

[karmic valve]

thank you

[runic depot]

Well, udio hasn't impressed me in the field of doing better than suno when asked to do the impossible.

[grave sequoia]

It doesn't meld random things together well. It also takes (my theory) strength from the first keywords and lower importance to the one's further down.

[fathom aspen]

How is that mocking you? Lmao

[runic depot]

Next, how about we try niche stuff that suno doesn't always understand the instructions for. Anyone got a niche genre that suno is too "safe" with?

How about... math rock.

Ooh, how about some screamo

[runic depot]

I think someone already said they can't prompt for any vocaloids besides Miku, which is to be expected

[amber matrix]

best part of udio is the ability to add sections before and after a part... if suno adopt it too, and adding expanding from timestamp, or even replacing A-B section, that would completely be the killer one

[runic depot]

"math rock" is a real winner

https://www.udio.com/songs/eLYYbZL5tKP3RXC1Xa3duR

[fathom aspen]

You made a Suno og leave thanks to you're toxicity. Thanks

[runic depot]

I'm coming up empty, what's another highly distinctive sounding genre to test udio with

Udio what the fuck

[grim idol]

Instruments combos too. Banjo + genres where you would never find one or whatever. Stuff like that.

[runic depot]

I see mentions of lanterns and dancing