Yeah it's making Mitski-like music that would be used in grwms or aesthetic TikTok videos and Suno V3 is kinda in hot water...
#🗣️┃chill-chat
west hull
It's looking like Suno's kind of scrambling to get more traction but idk
everybody is switching to udio
minor ingot
Kinda sucks when you have a one year subscription 🙂
glad finch
Discovering suno made me discover an interest for writing lyrics, so I'll always be grateful for that
cyan cloud
^
minor ingot
I'm actually getting more in to instrumental stuff
But it's been nice to actually write som lyrics as well
glad finch
I only have a guitar and clarinet at home, and I forgot how to read music sheets since high school. Guitar was neve an instrument I was interested in, and I can't sing while playing clarinet
minor ingot
I used to play the drums and also make music with a DAW, got bored because it took too long
fossil mesa
who else is eagerly awaiting an open source Apache 2.0 equivalent to even v2 to drop, then gonna take all their prompts and notes from Suno and produce content locally ?
copper zenith
We will see how much longer I keep my Suno subscription!
It did make a really epic song - but Udio just knocked it out of the park.
glad finch
Damn. I asked udio for eurobeat, I got disco instead
Oh wait, one of them is actual eurobeat, I think?
Sounds absolutely awful though
But yeah thats eurobeat
Considering the gen time VS the time it took me to get it on Suno, which doesn't know what eurobeat is, Udio got there faster
vestal moon
everybody is switching to udio
No one is "switching" to Udio until Udio costs money. Then, we'll see how that goes but Udio is still unknown to most people even in the AI bubble
It's just a fun thing to play around with until you've got to start paying, then we've got choices to make
spice tartan
What are we looking like on Suno V4 so we out do Udio?
vestal moon
Even if Udio ends up the clear winner in A/B tests which I'm still not convinced on, if the price isn't right, then it's not going to make enough difference for a lot of people
glad finch
Suno is gonna need to add proper sound mastering, and the ability to more easily edit a small part of the song
vestal moon
Suno really just needs better audio quality and inpainting and on my laptop speakers, the audio isn't a huge deal to begin with but if you want to release an album it is
glad finch
More control over vocals (gender, pitch and range), fix synthetic sounding voices and make it easier (for me) to get instruments over voices
minor ingot
We also need 320 kbps and some sort of upscaling when you have a good sample
glad finch
Eventually
vestal moon
Suno can do natural vocals and Udio can make robotic vocals, Udio just seems to be a bit more consistent.
glad finch
Try natural vocals with suno when generating anything containing synthesizers
VERY hard
high condor
Suno can do natural vocals and Udio can make robotic vocals, Udio just seems to ...
opposite for me
depends on the genre yeah
vestal moon
Sure, if you use genres that tend to have more autotune, you're going to get more of an autotune sound
copper zenith
Agreed privateriem! Even with piano, drums, and synthesizer, having synthesizer in there makes it autotune for some reason
I mean the genre isnt, aside from the auto tone distortions its a female solo acoustic vocal so
hollow phoenix
I have noticed that baseline outcome for suno seems better right now, I tend to like the vocals more at least initially etc. Could be genre and that I don't know how to write a prompt for udio but I think suno it tends to pick a better baseline without me having to fiddle as much. But as far as output quality, udio is much better and I haven't noticed the degredation in audio quality that becomes apparent in most of the suno generations.
glad finch
Suno does a better job at getting me what I want for now, but I'm doing style mixing
minor ingot
yeah the degradation in Suno is unfortunate
glad finch
Plus with 2 minute gens you actually get a good chunk of a song done with fairly quickly
spice tartan
Udio right now takes forever. I prompted rap songs n only one song came out great the rest I got random words. But the quality of Udio is insane and real. Suno will have to make songs sounds more natural n not stuff, also mastering has to happen!
glad finch
32 seconds is not a whole lot
hollow phoenix
Yeah part of the reason as well might be that they are only generating ~32 seconds so you can pack in more oomf
I also don't know how well the continuations work, udio might lose coherence, but as noted with the current load they are experiencing I haven't had much time to iterate yet to see how well it does
vestal moon
Some basic mastering doesn't seem that difficult. There's a lot to it if you want to get into it but it seems like they could just apply some preset compression and EQ, maybe that wouldn't improve things
spice tartan
Suno only needs some great tweaks and they are right where they need to be! They just gotta jump on it. Once Udio figures out their servers they may be a big problem for Suno!
cyan cloud
kekw from the other discord
hollow phoenix
Some basic mastering doesn't seem that difficult. There's a lot to it if you wan...
Yeah for suno I don't know how much it can be helped in the post processing. Suno seems so close to there. You almost just need one more pass to smooth out the minor distortion you tend to notice, although I'm obviously underplaying the complexity here.
cyan fox
kekw from the other discord
Same thing happened with me 😮💨
minor ingot
Anyone in the mood for some smooth jazz?
https://youtu.be/ANPQcm8PoIg
minor ingot
true beauty knows no bounds:
https://www.udio.com/songs/5jdRcUXyAoSjC4EWp4qese
wow freaky!
hollow phoenix
Almost like pareidolia
vale lake
Holy shit
This is the most cursed shit
I've ever heard
I think in my lifetime
its actually horrific
glad finch
You'd make children cry with that shit
vale lake
Oh, and for my metalheads:
https://www.udio.com/songs/51tLn7HfNEzhHY84DJahy9
apparently this couldn't even deserve a title
glad finch
Today my country's broadcaster website posted a link to a calculator to help figure out how expensive a house I could possibly afford with my current salary. The chance of me owning a house, ever, is more than likely zero
Even if I double my yearly salary and end up in the 10% most well paid in my province
cyan cloud
https://suno.com/song/1a5abf79-cbcf-4401-b756-57e7250a6ffc/ i cant get doomcore to work on udio. and it takes so long for crap results. Meanwhile suno be like
glad finch
EVEN IF I DOUBLE MY YEARLY SALARY, the chance of me owning a house is probably still zero
Rather just make music to the glory of God, makes me feel better
grim idol
https://www.udio.com/songs/nYMGRbv9iXtzpaKLS3tT2t
A fun quirk of V3A was if you could find a prompt terrible enough to get it generate genuine noise/non-music a bit like these clips, it would start with that, but then transition from the noise into weirdly beautiful music, as if it was emerging from under water to the surface. https://suno.com/song/9cdaf522-33b6-4ebd-9a96-f848991ee0c8/
vale lake
that one is interesting
cyan fox
A fun quirk of V3A was if you could find a prompt terrible enough to get it gene...
Can see this as some kind of performance art.
austere helm
I'm left brained, more tech/logic oriented, creative lyrics is not my forte lol
glad finch
I'm left brained, more tech/logic oriented, creative lyrics is not my forte lol
That's an excuse and you know it
full yarrow
I noticed when cutting together multiple extended songs, the later end of the combined songs tends to sound really dulled and almost bled out.
Like the config is too high.
glad finch
The sky is your oister, the sea's the limit, believe in yourself!
full yarrow
Reminds me of setting the config too high in stable diffusion.
Sure you see it, but it's lost some of the magic.
austere helm
That's an excuse and you know it
nahh its a reason i work in IT with computers and never took art or music classes, i cant even draw a stick figure straight
hoary wind
Ask for "pvc pipe, rhythmic", get whatever the heck this is https://www.udio.com/songs/fsaHG9jfdEzRa7HuHmvLmf
glad finch
nahh its a reason i work in IT with computers and never took art or music classe...
Don't give up on your dreams man! If you want it hard enough, you can achieve it! I'm growing a beard for the first time in my life which is something that would normally be a literal impossibility because of my dad's genetics, but I wanted it hard enough and so I figured a way!
So can you!
full yarrow
Ah defeatist mentality. You know one of the pioneers for the modern interpretation of nihilism hanged himself in public in the 1800s right?
Never give up.
Always fight.
dry creek
one of my udio gens 100% took a melody from a song i know... but im struggling to remember which song it was LMAO im extending the intro to see if it copies more and refreshes my memory
glad finch
Post it
cyan fox
Copyright strike round 2 @dry creek
dry creek
https://www.udio.com/songs/md9JErByqMfqzX9NjXSAsF first 4 seconds
grim idol
this one is a straight up bug. the bottom line is the optimized prompt and it 'optimized' bagpipes right out of tag list 😂 I wanted to test remix so I tried to remix your strings into bagpipes, didn't quite work but pretty neat sound
https://www.udio.com/songs/dr4bUpmDqu9XMTZCkmGMZU
full yarrow
I wonder if there's some more obscure genres that just have only a few songs
could just kind of plug them in and get the songs like 1 in 50 or something
dry creek
generations seem to actually be working now at least
glad finch
I wonder if there's some more obscure genres that just have only a few songs
Theres plenty of genre mixes that don't exist at all
full yarrow
i've made a few on accident, just trying to replicate some songs
some songs just don't really fit genres
glad finch
I'm trying to make them on purpose and its been difficult
full yarrow
it's like, when you're looking for your keys right
lost your keys, no idea where
20 minutes later you remember
if the GOAL is fixation, then the fixation is the goal, not the outcome
so, build
glad finch
"When you look at someone through rose-colored glasses, all the red flags look like flags"
full yarrow
can you eat flags?
glad finch
full yarrow
too many layers?
chew more
i noticed you can kind of augment certain things
if you're extending, you can add more genres or remove genres
and the entire song kind of shifts from that point, sometimes adding or removing instruments in the process
so if you want to make cross-genres, you can segment the music and extend from points to change details
glad finch
How the hell are you making all this? are the gens back to a normal time?
glad finch
Why the hell is allegro barbaro even a prompt?
strange gorge
https://www.udio.com/songs/iSEF73ALf375JW2W1hpNcv
I mean this is just a song
as the highest compliment
late crown
wth @vale lake 😮
https://www.udio.com/songs/nYMGRbv9iXtzpaKLS3tT2t
dry creek
that is CURSED
late crown
DEMONS
dry creek
great now im TERRIFIED
late crown
lol
valid veldt
One of the songs I did in udio earlier. I really love that the vocals don’t have echo. https://www.udio.com/songs/2tMo13jyWoLgvTkeATb1gT
strange gorge
woah this is the first time I've clicked on 'extend' and you can
wild
Though it doesn't look like you can cut anything?
That's rather limiting
vale lake
Though it doesn't look like you can cut anything?
yea, it's a bit annoying
also bc all songs will be in exact 30 second intervals
grim idol
woah this is the first time I've clicked on 'extend' and you can
It's interesting that intro and outros are distinct from just forward/backward extensions, implies the generation/model is tweaked in other ways to start or close a song.
glad finch
Ha, udio gave me a gen with a singer singing off key to the music
strange gorge
Having to take the ENTIRE generation though kinda undoes all the neat about adding bits to the start
glad finch
Sounds terrible
vale lake
Ha, udio gave me a gen with a singer singing off key to the music
at least it wasn't a gurgling flesh beast
grim idol
Ha, udio gave me a gen with a singer singing off key to the music
Can you send it to me? I literally asked if anyone had any udio samples like that on their server!
glad finch
Its in french though
strange gorge
hon hon hon
runic depot
So what does udio have in terms of granular control?
same as suno? more? or next to nothing?
strange gorge
Well you can add generations before and after, so there is that
But you can't cut anything, so you take the whole generation
runic depot
so next to nothing, then
glad finch
Takes forever to gen 1/4 the amount of suno
grim idol
The remix feature is quite interesting but also seems very hard to control
strange gorge
The time sink is a huge killer atm yeah
But I am finding it more uhhh
'tuned' to how I use LLMs
strange gorge
It blends things more like I imagine in my head while I'm typing out a prompt
runic depot
that's the main draw
strange gorge
The remix feature is quite interesting but also seems very hard to control
lol I saw 'remix' and just assumed it did what Suno did, but no it's remix remix
glad finch
"Amazing music is seconds away!"
glad finch
Lots of seconds
quartz ridge
cyan fox
Lots of seconds
In my case 14000 seconds.
My Tracks still generating haha
open galleon
Nice one, at the last count I have 147 suno songs on Spotify spread over nine albums
glad finch
Damn, you writing the lyrics for all that?
Udio's tempo seem to be based on the amount of lyrics fed into it, which leads to weird shit if you suddenly add more lyrics than what was previously fed into it while extending
Or at least the vocals
The vocals ended up completely off tempo when I extended
grim idol
The vocals ended up completely off tempo when I extended
Very intriguing, this also opens up some interesting use cases
dim lynx
@grim idol i figured out how to make go crazy if you dont give it enough lyrics it goes crazy
lethal thistle
Udio's tempo seem to be based on the amount of lyrics fed into it, which leads t...
interesting
might be useful when trying to get a little switchup within the same clip
glad finch
Yeah but you're stuck in 32 seconds increments
What if I want a 120bmp song tempo so that after 10 seconds it switches from one genre to another?
Can't do that with udio right now
From what I can tell with my very limited usage
lethal thistle
yeah seems it can't handle it .. yet! hopefully one day
just trying things out too but that's the fun of it imo
toxic root
https://www.udio.com/songs/omL8SDLgXA6m7TgeAcY2nj
Did this Billie Eilish-esque song, turned out pretty damn good
lethal thistle
^
but it sounds good regardless
toxic root
Don't care to either
lol okay?
hardy lintel
SUNO EUROVISION CONTEST NR. 1 https://suno.com/song/a4ee3b19-d8e6-4fa3-ae06-8fa3fb09971b
strange gorge
glad finch
SUNO EUROVISION CONTEST NR. 1 https://suno.com/song/a4ee3b19-d8e6-4fa3-ae06-8fa...
"Feels like singing in the bathroom" 🤣
lethal thistle
vibin on this while it takes ages to generate https://www.udio.com/songs/qx3yq4GxvWwrC4jZVbgk5U
reusing lyrics i made on suno for another thing but that match more the original idea
cyan fox
If anyone's a fan of 50's swing/jazz udio is amazing for it! 😮💨😮💨
runic depot
"udio" is a really bad name
west hull
they took the a from audio and ran with it
rough helm
It's telling me there was an error creating the track, is Udio overloaded rn?
runic depot
"Guys we can't keep calling it Project [multiple slurs] so close to production, we need a real name"
"Uhh how about... something with the word Audio?"
"Can we ask the marketing people?"
"The marketing guy got sent home because he had a hangover"
"Well fuck"
hoary wind
I keep going to call it Udon
hoary wind
I know
It's not something I've ever written or talked about but I've seen and heard it mentioned
plus it's a kind of noodle
west hull
udon is a vrchat thing
HELP
west hull
yeah OOdeeoh
hoary wind
Well this went in two totally different directions
modest stump
west hull
i think i js made a 2000s pop that sounds like ||Ayesha Erotica||
if you want to hear dm me
can't post it here contains sexual content
tired mica
Anyone using AI music in the crypto space? I am trying to do something different on twitter than the typical farming.. its tough, to play the game.. you got to do the things.. but I dont want to follow those super lame rules. Got to be different.
cyan fox
I honestly think NFT's are dead now.
inland anchor
This was not made by Suno but after thinking this up I did make some songs on Suno similar, This was a "new" genre I was working on myself called Fiddlestep. Can I get some opinions??
tired mica
I honestly think NFT's are dead now.
They are. But thats okay with me. I moved to a smallllll town a few months back and nothing to do. So nfts let me connect with different communities.
Ill just get rich off ai masterpiece 😂 dont need my nfts for that
grave sequoia
Very intriguing, this also opens up some interesting use cases
Are you still looking for hallucination examples?
cyan fox
They are. But thats okay with me. I moved to a smallllll town a few months back ...
I'll give you that, definitely still a community for it.
It's crazy though.
80% of all NFT's created have remained unsold.
tired mica
I'll give you that, definitely still a community for it.
It's crazy though.
80%...
I believe that stat. But at the same time, are you familiar with airdrop farming? I imagine thatll inflate that 80% real quick to 99%. Meta changes every 3 weeks. But I am curious now how music does in the nft space. Ill have to see if I Can find some of those groups now.. 🤔
cyan fox
I believe that stat. But at the same time, are you familiar with airdrop farming...
I have, just have to be careful of Sybil attacks in airdrop.
If that happens en mass it'll kill it real quick I imagine.
cyan cloud
ngl udio is cursed af. i swear i would never get that sound on suno....maybe i should start to mess around with it and try on suno lol
hoary wind
I should really try more musical styles but I find it fascinating when I can make it do weird
lusty dawn
I honestly think NFT's are dead now.
Personally i think they came too early. Some form of digital assets devoid of banks feels like an inevitability
cyan fox
Personally i think they came too early. Some form of digital assets devoid of ba...
I think they came at the right time for people to make money off them.
Art NFT's are redundant now we have AI art, so I feel like it has to be something more tangible going forward.
lusty dawn
I think they came at the right time for people to make money off them.
Art NFT'...
Im thinking like digital wallet for my license and birth certificate or mortage. Less collectible art.
But i still liked the idea of art trading cards and i still think ai art curated for collections could be valuable one day
But it will need a rebranding
I lost like 2k in crypto whoops cud have been worse
modern dove
udio is getting hammered lol
theyve had problems all day. still waiting on a generation 30 minutes later
runic depot
udio fails "vocaloid, hip hop" for the opposite reason as suno--it makes hip hop with a male vocalist with zero signs of the 'vocaloid' tag. Mind you, these are my very first generations so I don't actually know if the vocaloid tag works in udio
also the tracks are both absolute disgraces
just plain bad
No sense in wasting free gens on setting udio up to fail, I think
Actually, the vocalist sounds a bit vocoded in one of these.
But yeah, four tries, four unlistenable disgraces. Let's see if a less contradictory prompt can get Miku in udio.
Also maybe this time maybe I won't get total garbage.
...
Udio is way more advanced than suno. Leaps and fucking bounds.
runic depot
wowowowowow
So, not only did udio make that robot-sounding intro before shifting into the normal Miku voice, if you listen with headphones... it PANS from left to right.
Starts in the left ear, switches to the left. That's not in Suno's data.
dim lynx
So, not only did udio make that robot-sounding intro before shifting into the no...
they are ex google devs what do you expect
runic depot
given the current state of google and google's products, that means nothing
runic depot
Anyway, if udio will listen to [female singer] I wonder else it will listen to
dim lynx
Anyway, if udio will listen to [female singer] I wonder else it will listen to
i like the random tags
it has
runic depot
well I set up suno to fail pretty bad with "vocaloid, hip hop" but what else can I try that was a no go in suno...
holy shit
you gotta listen to "Dune: The Broadway Musical" from the front page.
NO THEY DIDN'T FINISH IT
AAAAAAAAA
dim lynx
you gotta listen to "Dune: The Broadway Musical" from the front page.
already have
it’s good
runic depot
given that udio can pan stuff from left to right, maybe it could be prompted or [instructed] to do it
dim lynx
given that udio can pan stuff from left to right, maybe it could be prompted or ...
i have noticed it
strange gorge
huh, a bunch of my generations on Uido are just up and gone
weird!
lol people are pissed
oh well!
runic depot
huh, a bunch of my generations on Uido are just up and gone
lol, server crush problems
oak shuttle
strange gorge
Got the 'intro' thing on Uido to work and boy that sure is nice
adding generated audio before everything else 
tropic pasture
I’m pioneering my own sound: the unique Vocals in the chorus were very hard to prompt: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nkLtFNXBqt8
strange gorge
you gotta listen to "Dune: The Broadway Musical" from the front page.
haha jesus christ
runic depot
Got the 'intro' thing on Uido to work and boy that sure is nice
What's that?
strange gorge
When you tap 'Extend' in Udio
Extend it at the front with an intro, just a section, or like normal another section, or force it to end
I added an intro to a song, worked great
It's still taking 10+ minutes to do anything so I'll let you know in a few hours how the others work 
fathom aspen
It's still taking 10+ minutes to do anything so I'll let you know in a few hours...
Weird. It's taking me like 1 minute now
fathom aspen
Sometimes it works quicker but
Last 10 generations I did was almost instant
strange gorge
Lucky
strange gorge
Seems to be going a bit better since buba rubbed it in my face like a braggart
strange gorge
Udio is still super compelling to me because of how it handles the prompts, like yeah I can bitch about a lot of things, mostly about how long it takes with gens and everything but dang, the results are very appealing to me. How it does prompts more like I expect.
Cmooooon Suno v4 gimmie that infill
grave sequoia
Udio is still super compelling to me because of how it handles the prompts, like...
It's been hard for me to judge with the server issues. It let me start generating again and it's much faster.
lol, the moment I said that the banner popped back up.
modern dove
glad to see suno have a legit competitor now. Things will heat up
And we will get better models faster
As they will now race against each other
The web app UI will be one deciding factor of who wins
Both are currently lacking in this area. Suno will have to rethink their pricing now as well.
spiral wave
Fun times 🙂
narrow schooner
Just hearing about udio now lol.. let me see
strange gorge
Cleary Suno is the better product
but interacting with a new music LLM is exciting
narrow schooner
Sounds great so far .. I like competition
grave sequoia
Fun times 🙂
strange gorge
I'm sure the devs are quite interested in udio and how users feel with it
What better way than the users they already know?
the server issues they are dealing with though really takes the wind out of the sails as a user though
free or not
narrow schooner
Only 30 seconds.. hmm
strange gorge
I'm 3~ generations in and I can't hear a degredation yet
Did forget the voice from the earlier part of the song though, lol just LLM things~~~~~~~~
ok got my first bad sounding gen
Asked it for a duet with a male and female and it sounds like it can't decide what the single voice should be
sounds like classic flutter but between two voices
narrow schooner
It’s ok I guess
grave sequoia
I think the weirdest thing using it is building your songs middle out. It works better if you start a song in the high energy part, and then work backwards.
strange gorge
It's realy different yeah and I'm doing the same thing
Knowing "I'll do the intro later"
narrow schooner
I find output generic compared to same song in suno.. testing out the other features
tacit bolt
interesting, i was finding the opposite, at least for electronic music
narrow schooner
I am doing r&b and hip hop
grave sequoia
Vocals to me is the biggest difference. But OMG do you get copycat sounds from the singers. Psychedelic gets Jimmi Hendrix a lot for instance.
strange gorge
I'm with hax yeah
Udio is far more unique and varied
Probably the prompt types we like
tacit bolt
yeah getting some wild sound design
narrow schooner
I like it auto completes tags.. and the variance slider 🙏🏽
strange gorge
yeah their remix button is really remix
That reminds me, that's the other thing Suno has in spades: Suno's discord isn't a trashfire
I hadn't looked since this morning but lmao Udio's was bad
narrow schooner
Let’s me check the terms of serivice before I do anything else lol
strange gorge
4~ generations in and then had it make an intro
Did it flawlessly
THAT is fantastic
Slipped that 33 second chunk right on the front of the song and blends it perfectly
There we go, a whole dang song out of Udio finally
now that it's later and everyone else went to bed
A lot to like with Udio
fathom aspen
now that it's later and everyone else went to bed
Yeah. Not bored of it. Gonna have a fun night testing it
orchid gust
well i just managered a 1:05 snippet of a tune ,and boy was it hard to find out if it was creating the thing, ended up with 12 tracks created:) all because the backend is gone screwy. i don't think Suno got anything to worry about yet! 🙂
https://www.udio.com/songs/buw4ahJTmqQWKLigfKGP2M
strange gorge
I made the intro to that song after I made it, as in all the lyrics were done, I made an intro, then made the outro in the next gen
That's really cool
infill/inpainting would allow that in Suno v4
the 320kbps sounds pretty nice too I guess
orchid gust
just added to my playlist
strange gorge
The other weirdness that someone pointed out earlier with Udio is how it changes the tempo of the singing to fit in the 33 second chunk
If you give it some words it will take its time
You add more it will sing faster and faster
It won't like, keep going, eventually it will just make up what it will sing kinda like Suno does
Slice out a bunch of your words and sing what it chooses
orchid gust
i added the whole tune in and it still managed to squeeze in 3 pargraphs, and outro and it copy the same 3 lines.:)
it so jerky the webpage it unbelivable .and has for the interface what the hell with the third mouse scroll to see the whole list,
sand notch
The other weirdness that someone pointed out earlier with Udio is how it changes...
The Symphonic Metal genre on Udio is definitely next level, compared to suno v3. Too bad the context window is so small .
gritty hollow
It's interesting and I do like the "Add intro" & "add outro" but I think Suno has better structure on instrumentals overall. However that might just be me prompting it as Suno rather than its own thing.
sand notch
https://www.udio.com/songs/u1zuY7tHBvPTWV1c8BA3WG
LOL the 'wooo' at the end. I think suno v3 is better at spoken word. Check out this standup comedy gen I did: https://suno.com/song/e69f128f-037e-40c8-99a9-9770eefabc53
tiny raven
AI has gone to far for vocaloids
sand notch
Udio can't do standup. 😄
strange gorge
LOL the 'wooo' at the end. I think suno v3 is better at spoken word. Check out t...
Dunno, let's see if it will do shit pants
sand notch
Haha, I think that's where I remixed from
strange gorge
I swiped the idea from someone else yeah
sand notch
I tried standup and other tags on Udio and it went off the rails and strated scatting
Not trained on it I guess
strange gorge
It took a bit to figure out how to get Suno to do it sorta reliably, though it does seem like Suno has been touched in the sense of how user input interacts with the model
Could be in my head but it feels like Suno is acting like it did in Alpha
Which is good, for me at least
I know the model is the same
sand notch
Symphonic Metal impressed the hell out of me. It "feels" like a Suno V4 or higher, and the 320kbps is great.
gritty hollow
It does a good job at multi-instrumental 'orchestra' sounds but really doesn't like mixing genres in obscure ways, so I think it's like each model that comes along they'll all have their strengths & limitations.
sand notch
It does a good job at multi-instrumental 'orchestra' sounds but really doesn't l...
You mean Udio? Suno v3 is amazing at genre mixing I think.
gritty hollow
Yeh, Suno will mix anything or have a crack at it if it knows, Udio so far seems to be switching between them more than mixing them.
Mind you a couple have been pretty interesting, so anyway I'll keep messing with it. I do like that it has an "insert intro" and "insert outro" function (though it has thrown errors at me when i use it).
strange gorge
Right ok so Udio can absolutely do standup
It uh, didn't react well to my prompting but hey
That's on me
probably
gritty hollow
I wonder if all these devs ever get together to share ideas & innovations.
sand notch
Mind you a couple have been pretty interesting, so anyway I'll keep messing with...
That works really well and makes it super easy to extend a song in the way you want. The outros seem great every time. Maybe Suno can steal that feature.
sand notch
I wonder if all these devs ever get together to share ideas & innovations.
I'd bet Suno found out about these Udio guys probably when we all did.
strange gorge
Probably
gritty hollow
I think given the sheer number of people who like these toys & how much server load they probably cost I'd say there's a lot to gain from devs collaborating on ideas and features, then they can also see what everyone else is prioritising so they can differentiate as well.
sand notch
It's clear they are taking a different approach from Suno, but it's also clear that a lot of their UI was "inspired" by Suno, or at least it seems that way to me.
sand notch
https://www.udio.com/songs/wtAw9obutAdJEtv7p6yEFS
Good lord. I'm scared, lol.
strange gorge
https://www.udio.com/songs/wtAw9obutAdJEtv7p6yEFS
Suno can't do this sort of thing. Ignore the words but like, listen to that
It's just balls-out weird
vale lake
yup
at Udio
vale lake
it's so utterly bizarre
gritty hollow
with Udio the clarity & sound of the instruments is really nice, but the structure is a bit more random.
strange gorge
Mind you I can't seem to get Udio to break out from whatever it's focused on
vale lake
yea really strong prompt adherence ao far
vale lake
with Udio the clarity & sound of the instruments is really nice, but the structu...
mmmm, I disagree
gritty hollow
i'm doing instrumentals only, I figure it's probabgly differnet if lyrics
sand notch
it's so utterly bizarre
What are your impressions of Udio? I know you are a popular creator here. Forgive me if you've already commented.
strange gorge
The 33 second structure is pretty clean imho. I don't know if I like it better, but it isn't any worse than Suno imho
gritty hollow
I wouldn't necessarily say worse just different I guess.
strange gorge
https://www.udio.com/songs/iSEF73ALf375JW2W1hpNcv
yeah this one is really good
tiny raven
https://suno.com/song/cb43714a-0a27-43d7-9850-e6f86a3b1a34
Ai Stole Hatsune Miku's Job...
sand notch
with Udio the clarity & sound of the instruments is really nice, but the structu...
I think the vocals are better. Super crisp..
grave sequoia
I don't want to be one of those <:negative:1015136587660660736>
I was playing songs from Suno and Udio to my wife and she was like, "But they still both sound good."
And I was like, Oh God, I've been listening to too much Suno music...
strange gorge
One thing I can say definitively is that Udio handles stand up better
And my limited testing, just voices in clarity
sand notch
I was playing songs from Suno and Udio to my wife and she was like, "But they st...
They both sound great shes not wrong... Chirp v0 was basically a novelty. These sound like real radio-quality songs.
strange gorge
We're real close yeah
For most people I'm still convinced we're clearing that bar already
grave sequoia
They both sound great shes not wrong... Chirp v0 was basically a novelty. These ...
It's the vocals for me.
grave sequoia
For most people I'm still convinced we're clearing that bar already
I saw someone purchased one of my Suno songs and I was gobsmacked.
strange gorge
People like what they like and it's almost completely divorced from technical quality
grave sequoia
It's a punk attitude, and I love it. 😄
strange gorge
Was talking with someone earlier about that sorta ethos
Locally run LLMs seem pretty punk to me, it's all self-hosted, self-ran
outside the system
orchid gust
it good dont get me wrong but it to web based page is compacted for some. it doesn;t help when you scrolling through a list and you cant see what you instruments selected
sand notch
It's the vocals for me.
Yes, the detail in the vocals is really extraordinary. I tested a "Disney musical" about my cat, (lol) and it's something I'd never be able to achieve with Chirp V3, I don't think.
grave sequoia
Locally run LLMs seem pretty punk to me, it's all self-hosted, self-ran
The problem with that is the resources required.
strange gorge
It's punk as hell to buy a 4090 what are you talking about 
I kid I kid
The resources required are really high
But compare it to making music normally
THAT is resource intensive
orchid gust
right that enough elevator music for tonight :).... TatTie bye
sand notch
right that enough elevator music for tonight :).... TatTie bye
'muzak' is the genre for that. 😉
orchid gust
listen to the one i put up above then edited post 🙂 you won;t want that in a elevator ..... haha
sand notch
listen to the one i put up above then edited post 🙂 you won;t want that in a e...
https://www.udio.com/songs/buw4ahJTmqQWKLigfKGP2M
This one too, wow haha
gritty hollow
well it's certainly experimental & very AI - not sure how much "harp virtuoso" is in this thing though it does do a good "my brother messing with his eurorack" https://www.udio.com/songs/2QaAGPhTiiJZdc38RV8EPv
tiny raven
https://suno.com/song/cb43714a-0a27-43d7-9850-e6f86a3b1a34
Ai Stole Hatsune Mik...
Wait no this one is the meme https://suno.com/song/641f0963-b594-41dd-a1e3-783e31e268a5
west hull
I made a AI SONG ALBUM by Suno,
vale lake
it's very responsive to musical descriptors, it needs a LOT more to get the music to be like, as good
if you're too simple, it won't just pop out something as good as suno
which you could just feed the letter a and it would make a good progression
strange gorge
That is why I like Udio a lot, yeah
cyan cloud
generations might have been slow but it picked up so i stayed up all night. This is my child. My doom slayer. Now i am trying with suno to hit the right voices tho
gritty hollow
https://www.udio.com/songs/3f4qnTkTeGXYqoXuRtvJWN one last one before i do other stuff and stop clogging the feed with another ai's things
I do like it's singing here, but the 33second at a time is a bit hard to work with I'm so spoiled with Suno 😄
toxic root
I do like it's singing here, but the 33second at a time is a bit hard to work wi...
If you think about it you have more control over how the song turns out
I kinda liked it tbh
high compass
sigh ... 50s RocknRoll works great on Udio, except for the slightly off-key voice which is super irritating. Sadly It doesn't work at all in Suno (also ... Choirs gallore)
gritty hollow
Suno lets you continue from anywhere if you want, so that's working fine for me.
I like the way voices sound but I'm still hearing AI in it, the way it enunciates and where it adds its own pauses etc - however I'm new at it so maybe there are ways in both to control that (or will be features of them coming in later).
Mostly I use Suno to make instrumentals and for now while I love what Udio is doing with the more experimental noises, clarity - I like Suno's instrumental 'structure' more that's just my personal preference for me my own person the person listening.
toxic root
Mostly I use Suno to make instrumentals and for now while I love what Udio is do...
That's okay tbh, Suno's pattern is generic but not that bad to hear
To me most songs sound the same, which is kinda annoying
And the voices overlap all the time, like it's really difficult to get a raw vocal
vale lake
And the voices overlap all the time, like it's really difficult to get a raw voc...
there are lots of prompts to help with that
tbh, I prefer suno for lots of this stuff
I'm just out of credits
not super generic imo
gritty hollow
laffo udio also does sims lyrics when it adds singing to instrumentals 😄
high compass
Udio can do rock just a lot better than Suno V3. I'm certain V3a was capable of stuff like that, but V3 just can't anymore
gritty hollow
I have noticed some restriction in Udio, I wonder just the training with a different selection of sounds I suppose. I can get this on Suno https://suno.com/song/4df59730-4585-4695-a898-7b56c4f20969 - and it sounded so like the official planet coaster music I had to check to see I'd selected the right one when I added to my park. I could not get a sound even close to it with Udio (got some droney church music but nothing remotely like the funfair, park, merry-go-round at least not yet).
hybrid yacht
Udio seems like it gives lower quality than Suno lol
gritty hollow
So you know, they both have their uses afaiac
strange gorge
I can't get Udio to do live musical performances. Live stand up, sure, but not music
hybrid yacht
96kbps... Suno is like 128kbps
strange gorge
Udio files are 320
hybrid yacht
From what Ive heard so far it sounds very hissy
high compass
Udio seems like it gives lower quality than Suno lol
sound "clearness" ... yeah. On the other hand you get singular voices and more variation than V3
strange gorge
Gotta be your musical prompts since the stuff I usually summon it's tons cleaner than Suno
hybrid yacht
So its totally free? That'll help bring in more people faster.
strange gorge
Right now it is yeah
hybrid yacht
What's the go with publishing/commercial use?
strange gorge
They have billing info and stuff but when you click on it it goes "woah its free in beta"
drifting topaz
Udio seems even worse in following the actual lyrics, more chaotic
strange gorge
Udio seems even worse in following the actual lyrics, more chaotic
It has to fit in the 33 seconds
If you don't give it enough, it makes up gibberish
Too many and it drops some or goes really fast trying to fit it in
drifting topaz
It has to fit in the 33 seconds
There is plenty of lyrics for more than that. But I think I need to focus on the meat and then add a beginning
toxic root
From what Ive heard so far it sounds very hissy
Maybe its ur heapdhones
drifting topaz
It's a different approach than Suno, but maybe works better in the end, I don't know
toxic root
To me it sounds totally clear
high compass
Too many and it drops some or goes really fast trying to fit it in
the 33 seconds make it hard, but it's pretty good with continuation if you really find the place in the lyrics it stopped in the previous clip.
hybrid yacht
Maybe its ur heapdhones
Nope ... Suno also has a lot of hissy, distorted artifacts in many songs that make it sound like its 128kbps.
strange gorge
What music are you prompting for
hybrid yacht
Also... udio seems more strict.. I just typed "Whitney" and it picked up on that lol.. pretty cool:
Im still messing around.. Im just going off from what Ive heard on other peoples music
toxic root
Also... udio seems more strict.. I just typed "Whitney" and it picked up on that...
you can't do this at all in suno lol wdym
high compass
Nope ... Suno also has a lot of hissy, distorted artifacts in many songs that ma...
it really depends on the genre. Suno excels at pop and hiphop. sucks HARD at anything "hard"
hybrid yacht
Nah with Suno you can type things like Whitney and its fine
Or if you use -'s or _'s
Udio is more strict.
toxic root
the name of the artist? I'm pretty sure its not allowed
hybrid yacht
Which is fine I guess.
strange gorge
Even if you get it through Suno isn't trained like that
hybrid yacht
Nah, it works on Suno, Ive done it many times. MichaelJackson even worked for me
I know, just saying
It doesnt do nothing anyway
toxic root
I tried doing skrillex once
strange gorge
No because everything does something
toxic root
couldnt let me generate
hybrid yacht
I tried doing skrillex once
Well thats just the full artist name thats why
hybrid yacht
If you use tricks like use symbols between first and last name.
Maybe even skrillex_electro ?
strange gorge
It's insanely easy to prompt for 'angelic female' so I'm not even sure why people are so hard up to prompt artists directly
Just..ask for that style? You aren't going to summon them anyway on account of how this all works
toxic root
Probably because they want something to resemble their sound
hybrid yacht
Weird... Udio just starts the song as if it was continued in the middle.
strange gorge
Weird... Udio just starts the song as if it was continued in the middle.
Add the intro later
I just wait till I'm down with the song, why not
hybrid yacht
Is that normal though or you can start an intro from the get go?
toxic root
Is that normal though or you can start an intro from the get go?
It happens sometimes
Its not always
drifting topaz
Pronounciations in Udio is overall worse than in Suno...
hybrid yacht
Okay not too bad... the guitar solo is better than Suno so far.
strange gorge
Click that 'add into' and it will add whatever you ask on the very front, no matter how deep in the gens you are
hybrid yacht
So far I feel like Udio has way more variety in music and sounds like an actual song. Something different but good in a way.
strange gorge
The 'section' selections are before and after whatever you are extending from
strange gorge
It's pretty slick, generating before sections
hybrid yacht
I was talking about that not long ago with Suno that I wished we could make an intro before the first part. To add instrumental intros.
Since Suno sometimes doesnt like doing that.
strange gorge
One of the devs said that it wasn't exactly hard and was more of a UI thing
And then georg keeps talking about 'infilling' for v4
Which would be the same thing
hybrid yacht
Well shit, now I got 100s of unfinished songs already on Suno and now I got udio... all this AI stuff is really overwhelming me in the last year...
strange gorge
Stable Audio too, though it's not there yet
But at least you can use those files you already have
hybrid yacht
Ive always been trying to look for AI music for years until google came out with that music thingy I used for a while but then Suno blew my mind... now udio lol.
No more copyright issues ever again for YouTube 😂
strange gorge
Udio is the only thing I've tried that competes with Suno, yeah
And yeah that
stock music is dead, rip
Much like stock images
also dead, rip x2
hybrid yacht
Good time to be alive my friend.
Now... time to mess with Udio for a month
Lets see if I can get the same catchy banger beats I made on Suno with Udio.
Because Ive made some really great songs on Suno.
Only thing that put me off was the quality
I like that Udio helps a lot with tags. Always had to come up with our own on Suno.
drifting topaz
What would be great is if Suno would let you remaster an existing track with v4 or v5, to enhance quality and voice
strange gorge
Click the 'remix' button in Udio
Since it's a real Remix button
Control the strength and everything
hybrid yacht
Oh boy now Im gonna be using Udio 24/7 when I was just having a break off Suno
I feel like the track I just made went straight to the end part of the song lol:
Lyrics
And we'll rule the game (we'll rule the game)
Side by side, trust in our ride, yeah
Together we stand
Oh, partners in time
(Mm-hmm)
(Yeah)
So how would I edit this track to full song? I dont even know which part of the song that is but sounds like the ending
drifting topaz
Dunno, more displeased with pronounciations in Udio than in Suno... Bummer
hybrid yacht
Add section before I guess?
For my brief time using Udio it seems like it helps and guides a lot more which is good. Its easy to simply add sections to finish a song rather than typing out instructions.
hidden flint
My 2 cents for what it's worth. Udio is a fine little toy for now, but I'm not super impressed with the interface of the site and the flow of the songs. But Suno still comfortably beats it for the most part.
Onwards and upwards tho... I'm sure it'll improve
narrow furnace
Dunno, more displeased with pronounciations in Udio than in Suno... Bummer
I keep getting word "precious" pronounced like "precioused" or something like that in Udio.
drifting topaz
I keep getting word "precious" pronounced like "precioused" or something like th...
Yeah, and I'm writing songs in Swedish, so there are some words that both struggle with, but so far Suno seems to get it right once in a while while Udio doesn't. 🙂
restive sage
drifting topaz
Yeah, a dream scenario would that song editing would be in blocks, one per verse/chorus/intro etc, and you would remix any part of it at any time
And add blocks in between, like quitar solo, choir, key change, etc
And AI would just adjust/extend to fit the composition
I also like that in Udio, extend give me a new clip with the entire song including the extension
But it's still sooo slooooow
kindred monolith
Decided to give it a try, Did a quick comparison. Spent few credits to see if it'd start more closely to Udios vibe but didn't get there, and didn't want to waste the credits. Practically picked one of the 2 first generations from Udio with every continuation.
west hull
not a fan of the udio sound therre
it's way too warbly
it's fading left to right really fast or something to try to simulate some effect. ii'm also tired 😛
hybrid yacht
Backend Processing Error... does it ever finish? I can play and download the song but does that ever go away?
Sounds like a Whitney Houston 80s track... the singing quality feels cleaner than Suno to me.
drifting topaz
Bummer, if I extend and add a section and it's the Chorus again, it sounds wildly different than the earlier identically worded chorus
prime bronze
After more extensive testing with Finnish rap/hiphop, I've concluded that Udio does not compete with Suno in overall quality. It has stereo sound and better quality of life for extending songs. But Suno's magic for building the rhytm, melody and whole music around the lyrics is still far away from Udio. To be fair, Udio beats V1 and maybe V2, so i might check it out in few months. I expect Suno V4 to vastly outperform udios next few versions.
drifting topaz
And while quality is important, what I long for is control over the ovrall piece rather then hoping RNG is on my side
fathom aspen
Bummer, if I extend and add a section and it's the Chorus again, it sounds wildl...
Really?
drifting topaz
Yeah, it doesn't seem to take earlier meldoy into account at all
hybrid yacht
Does Udio make a verse 1, chorus etc etc if you leave it on auto and do the whole add section/intro etc?
drifting topaz
Haven't tried it on auto yet, since I have tons of lyrics of my own
hybrid yacht
I actually like Udio so far. From my short experience its given me better quality in vocals and instrumental like electric guitar solos in Suno was trash.
The solo vocals I heard are really good too.
I dunno, maybe I just got lucky but it sounds cleaner to me both vocal and instrumental but Im still playin around with it.
drifting topaz
It has really good vocal separation and much less digital artifacts, for sure. BUt is struggling heavily on pronounciations and consistency, where Suno has worked out the bugs better
high compass
It has really good vocal separation and much less digital artifacts, for sure. B...
yeah, but the lack of clear singular voice just makes Suno impossible to work with on certain genre
drifting topaz
yeah, but the lack of clear singular voice just makes Suno impossible to work wi...
For sure, and the voice/audiio degradation over time also makes it harder
high compass
the REALLY frustrating part is that it WAS better in that regard in V3a
drifting topaz
I've always felt that voice separation is better in v2, but "expression" is better in v3
hybrid yacht
It has really good vocal separation and much less digital artifacts, for sure. B...
artifacts is the big one for me.. it ruined a lot of my really good songs on Suno.. almost all of the songs have it. But I think thats due to low bitrate/quality.
Im having trouble figuring out if Udio is doing verses and chorus using auto lol
drifting topaz
artifacts is the big one for me.. it ruined a lot of my really good songs on Sun...
Some of that can be handled with a mastering pass, but not entirely helped of course. Some of my songs were so nice that a friend did the entire instrumental parts on actual instruments, sounded awesome 🙂
So one way is to use Suno/Udio as inspiration or a blueprint for making actual songs 🙂
hybrid yacht
Unlike Suno cant edit timestamps to continue off.
drifting topaz
Yeah, that's also a bummer
hybrid yacht
How do you write lyrics in Udio though? Does it understand Verse 1, Chorus, etc tags?
drifting topaz
Yes
hybrid yacht
Seems like with auto gen you mostly get a random part to a song then you gotta add sections to finish it. Hmm.
Dunno if auto gen works well with creating its own verse and choruses.
Gens are much longer than Suno... sucks... suno takes like 10 seconds now
orchid gust
hybrid yacht
Thats what Im saying.. it does guitar way better in Udio.
Suno has too much artifact sounds in it.
Probably one of the good ones I got from Suno with guitars but still sucks in quality.
Now lets try that same prompt on Udio.
orchid gust
it not that bad m8, it still has a lot of protential.
hybrid yacht
Its good but too low in quality and the guitar solos are better in Udio.
orchid gust
yes, but they in CD hz not radio Hz atm.
and it take way too much time to produce that
think i had around 12-13 tries all together just to get that song
hybrid yacht
I wish it would stop auto playing the next track lol
orchid gust
yeah i know, dam annoying
hybrid yacht
Very annoying
orchid gust
:hehehe
hybrid yacht
Dont they have a discord?
orchid gust
yes i think they do
hybrid yacht
I couldnt find it
orchid gust
i just send you it?
hybrid yacht
Thanks.
Almost feels like another Suno server all over again
Now theres gonna be lots of these music AI services I think
Overwhelming
I waste a lot of time on this stuff lol... not enough time in one day
orchid gust
me too, i think i had more website than i played my supposed game this week.. i think the guys have must think i pass over:)
hybrid yacht
Yeah I use to play lots of video games now I spend all my time on AI tech lol
🤔
How do you even like/heart your music? I dont see any buttons.. they need to fix the UI stuff a lot lol
I wish they started songs from intro not always in a random middle part 😂
graceful swan
Udio keeps changing my songs 🤣
I have to download everything after it generate...
Yea I noticed this right now. One Song changed 3 times so far in a span of 10 min
ebon flax
Yea I noticed this right now. One Song changed 3 times so far in a span of 10 mi...
its both intriguing and annoying haha
graceful swan
its both intriguing and annoying haha
Yea man it was really fitting for the end of the song. Then boom different voice and style 😄
ebon flax
@orchid gust i just edited that post again, i think this one is even better lol, haha, im so confused because they keep changing in front of my eyes
orchid gust
how you get the video, i can't find a video?
ebon flax
how you get the video, i can't find a video?
thats what comes up if i paste the link, clicking the "..." and then "share" and then "copy link"
orchid gust
ebon flax
it works really well for that kinda stuff!! well it works well in a lot of situations
super impressive
orchid gust
i did three times yesterday it never came up
ebon flax
i did three times yesterday it never came up
hmm perhaps maybe it can be buggy how it sets up the link. I did notice one time it didnt come up for me
graceful swan
Ayoo
Thats on an instrumental intro.. what is it cooking?
vapid moss
midnight river
damn udio vocals are so so good
ebon flax
damn udio vocals are so so good
now that its generating faster you can actually get into quite a good flow using it too
graceful swan
It does the lorem ipsum.
Well except for the "Slorem" at the start
https://www.udio.com/songs/p66uVGEgifEBLdoR5Ttyue
vale lake
Ok, I've had enough time to review it decently now that gens can be made
and Suno wins imo
Like, they're both good, and SOME things the other will win
Udio
Specific genres
and certain sounds
And it IS better audio quality
lone prairie
https://suno.com/song/3de98ece-d9de-436e-941a-64f11e092b1c
that is art... i cryed by laughing 😂
vale lake
but the musical components are not as strong
It may be that once you can do a LOT of gens we'll find some shortcuts
in prompts
but rn its tepid imo. It does well particularly on fidelity and literally directly imitating existing artists
Suno does well at making actual new material
like, I have some good stuff:
mostly related to audio quality
superiority
vale lake
but most of this is at best horizontal to Suno
and the majority of gens are worse, like no useable
in particular, it struggles emotionally
like, its expressive
but it is not right
like, it doesn't get the flow "right" where Suno can just flow
and even unconventionally
ebon flax
but the musical components are not as strong
I find Suno is to be a bit more "structured" in the way it organises tracks
vale lake
But find a good flow, with emotionaly delivery
vale lake
I find Suno is to be a bit more "structured" in the way it organises tracks
For sure, I agree
but in the end
that's essentially what music is
Like, yes
ebon flax
yea, like im saying the structured thing is good
there are times you want that, and there are times you don't, and there are times you want in between
vale lake
we do experiemental stuff, but ultimately what makes it interesting is the sort of unique structures it makes
while this one doesn't make any
ebon flax
Suno feels tighter and Udio feels looser, or something haha
vale lake
if you don't explcitly go after it
ebon flax
but the quality you can get on Udio is amazing
vale lake
Suno feels tighter and Udio feels looser, or something haha
yea, I agree
vale lake
but the quality you can get on Udio is amazing
yup, I'm glad its there
and there are some tracks I think that will be better on it
lone prairie
I must admit that Udio is the truly winner in creating more hardcore stuff... like Deathcore
Suno allways try to implement some background noise and orchestrals in the background
https://suno.com/song/cd2d21a4-7c1f-4c50-8037-a5b24195bb17 and after 1 min it gets really messy
ebon flax
we need Suno's tightness with Udio's audio quality 😆
lone prairie
we need Suno's tightness with Udio's audio quality 😆
Yes
But suno handles outros much muich better
ebon flax
https://suno.com/song/cd2d21a4-7c1f-4c50-8037-a5b24195bb17 and after 1 min it ge...
id definitely use multiple continuations in cases where you want to remove the extra orchestrations coming in (though I know these tracks tend to get a lot of AI noise when doing that)
lone prairie
https://www.udio.com/songs/8GUe6N2RUKk8QaSVZSnCsG here is the deathcore quality from Udio!
ebon flax
https://www.udio.com/songs/8GUe6N2RUKk8QaSVZSnCsG here is the deathcore quality ...
for sure a better sound in this case
stable swallow
Udio seems to be training their data on actual musicians voices. Made one afrobeat there and its just burna boy singing the track. That's not a good sign
ebon flax
Udio seems to be training their data on actual musicians voices. Made one afrobe...
i'm 99.99% sure Suno is too
stable swallow
i'm 99.99% sure Suno is too
i've never experienced real musician's voice on suno before
ebon flax
i've never experienced real musician's voice on suno before
hmm there are cases where I can recognise similarities between musicians. I can't be certain, but I do hear it on tracks
and regardless... where else could they possibly get all the training data?
i'm not sure if it's practical to make something like Suno or Udio without using already existing music. Otherwise you'd have to hire musicians writing like 1000s upon 1000s of tracks to use as reference. And this would likely result in a sound that isn't as diverse
stable swallow
i'm not sure if it's practical to make something like Suno or Udio without using...
i understand but there's should be a way we shouldn't have these artiste's voices in our generations like a deep fake thing. I thought that was the number one thing they stood against.
ebon flax
i understand but there's should be a way we shouldn't have these artiste's voice...
yea i know what you mean, like the artist's voice should ideally never come out like the "artist's voice"
i could imagine some kind of thing that you could put tracks through and it tries to extract all the artists it references like:
- 6% Madonna
- 3% Abba
- 2.2% Elton John
- And it continues to breakdown the other 88.8%. Like 0.002% some unknown artist etc
And then the artists get paid out royalties based off this (for this initial generation)
you could probably never make something that perfectly extracts the artists, but perhaps you could get something that is an approximation. Though importantly it would have to pick up the very least known artists as well as it picks up the most famous artists so everything is fair
In some cases the top reference might be some unknown artist and they get like 20% etc
I don't know maybe something like that will never be practical, just something that came to mind... under the assumption that copyright material is being used
or maybe they won't have to pay the artists royalties. It's just one way out of many possible ways that it could play out
graceful swan
So you can't like songs currently on udio?
I see there is liked songs and some have likes but I can't like songs i like? 😄
frosty obsidian
like, its expressive
i had no real luck creating useful songs so far on Udio sadly. I tried hard but in the end it's not working for me. The 30 second cutoff, the current hefty live event vibe i get from a lot of vibes - or the sound of a 20yo record isn't helping. The vocal quality is great, but it doesn't care too much about my lyrics and just hammers em through 😄
so - i'll try again - but give it some time to mature. I mean... v1 Suno 😄 oh boy. ^^
astral ridge
I wanted to try it today, but I got this notif
"We're sorry
We are at capacity right now!
We are currently at capacity and creations for new users are behind a waitlist. Keep an eye out on our socials for updates. Feel free to browse the site and listen to some tracks in the meantime!"
graceful swan
i had no real luck creating useful songs so far on Udio sadly. I tried **hard** ...
Yep, Vocals seem to be the only outstanding thing. I think the context window is way to short. I get a lot more changes then i get with suno currently. Maybe it needs to be promted differently as well. idk
hoary wind
It has very good vocal articulations, particularly if you're doing spoken word stuff. I can't seem to get it to break out of whatever it chose to generate for music, e.g. there's a nice synth piece I wanted to push in a different direction but it just kept wanting to repeat the same melody and just make it increasingly more complex.
grim idol
Remix is very interesting, but hard to predict, so I haven't had enough credits to really get into it
So many variables to tweak just trying remix on a single base clip, to see a range of possibilities
west hull
it's like pears and apples to me ... suno and udio 🙂 the one has nice soundquality but the outputs are hard to swallow. and the other makes nice tracks and has better handling but the quality lacks sometimes (:
Idk ... stick to Suno, prefer the songs and options completely
vale lake
i had no real luck creating useful songs so far on Udio sadly. I tried **hard** ...
exactly
vale lake
Remix is very interesting, but hard to predict, so I haven't had enough credits ...
This is where I see the most potential
since REAL remix
allows you to "explore" the space in a more efficient way
I've been using it
And I'm starting to get some unique sounds
like damn
that is wow
my big issue is you can only actually "explore" the starting position
continuation has no ability to remix
so after that its up to how well you maintain the styleistic elements you want
grim idol
continuation has no ability to remix
Probably just a temporary limitations but so frustrating and makes me never want to extend
At least allow spitting the extension and use it as if it was a single clip
Suno should allow that and more too, but it particularly frustrating when it blocks the most intriguing udio feature
vale lake
Probably just a temporary limitations but so frustrating and makes me never want...
I think its intrinsic, because remixing would cause it to drift such that it no longer matches the original melody
so it would need a bigger context window
and I think it is limited to 30 seconsa
seconds
grim idol
I was going to test the context window limit, but I want to conserve my credits at least in the short term. Or just wait, someone else must work it out soon
vale lake
I have a strong feeling it will be irrelevant, as I'm sure they'll monetize before those limits are up
simply bc they'll want to convert those users before they lose interest
but who knows
grim idol
If you could split the extension, then you could go forward and backwards in time repeatedly. That would be a fun way to explore a song's space.
west hull
Udo really has a tendency to shit in your ears 😄 it can't yodel, in case somebody cares
suno neither tbf
vale lake
If you could split the extension, then you could go forward and backwards in tim...
yea, that I would like
Like, I like any XtoX model bc it just gives you so much more freedom
to "find" the sound
vale lake
lone prairie
Like, I like any XtoX model bc it just gives you so much more freedom
indeed
but they suck with outros
orchid gust
copy of the suno track / udio "broken rapper to elclipse of the shadows (gothic rock/alternate rock)
cyan cloud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JItsUk8RoHY i am totally gonna try this with suno. But ngl this came out really fire idk lol wtf
ebon flax
hmm, i think Udio is sometimes more original than Suno
dry creek
tried switching to instrumental midsong using udio and it totally lost the voice from the first half of the song lol
yeah Udio definitely has more clear and unique music
but man 30 seconds at a time is a pain
ebon flax
but man 30 seconds at a time is a pain
yea you have to change how you think about things, and hard to know if you're doing things the best way
dry creek
at least its actually working today
i LOVE that we can just put a band name in and itll prompt for that band
works great for some bands
orchid gust
i don;t know i never tried putin in AL johnson yet...hehe hold on 🙂
dry creek
https://www.udio.com/songs/skjJ5a6gfi5L8JC2ooeRRo i used Chvrches for this one
nailed their sound
now im gonna bring it into FL Studio and play around with it
ebon flax
something i notice when say adding a 33 second Intro, or section before, because it has to "33 seconds" i reckon this messes with the song structure in ways that can be annoying
dry creek
....what?
ebon flax
it sounds like a quite different kind of output, minus the AI lyrics
orchid gust
this doesnt sound like al johnson 🙂 https://www.udio.com/songs/bdcMxgqrp3WBU8bwG6UEwx
solar plank
agreed
ebon flax
i don't know lol, they're different styles too, they both have good elements i like
orchid gust
whoops, moderation error 🙂
dry creek
im mostly looking for vocal quality rather than music quality tbh
cuz im writing my own music anyway
solar plank
The vocal in Udio is much better but the rest I give it to Suno atm
dry creek
i dont want to
solar plank
Idk why but Udio instrumental sounds a bit random to me
ebon flax
i think with adjustments Udio can be way tighter with its arrangements. Something i notice is the 33 second thing REALLY messes with the arrangements
halcyon wadi
Yall I literally just made an song from Udio and it actually sounds like Beyoncé
ebon flax
if you have a song at a random tempo, and you have to add a 33 second intro, it doesnt even always make sense to fill that 33 second space
halcyon wadi
Yall I literally just made an song from Udio and it actually sounds like Beyoncé
It sounds like beyonces 4 era
late crown
I have a real hard time with costum lyrics.. with timing, the 33 seconds are apita
dry creek
yeah and if you let it make the lyrics it does a 1 line verse and goes into a chorus right on the first gen
just sounds weird
void mason
Hello everyone
orchid gust
no, i keep getting a moderation error : don;t think i try that one anymore 😂
dry creek
i kinda hate the autoplay tbh
constantly just replays one of my last gens when i only want to hear the ones i just made
its a tiny issue but its annoying lol
orchid gust
yes no auto play off function yet
west hull
i LOVE that we can just put a band name in and itll prompt for that band
but you have to make it "in the style of" somebody. I just entered bob dylan and they replaced the artist
dry creek
yes?
its going to replace the artist
but it usually comes up with a similar style to that artist
at least ive had some luck with it
late crown
https://www.udio.com/songs/nbjVwTGKuvg4BUGnhFMuLe
yeah that sounds like beyonce
dry creek
IM SORRY
west hull
well at least this output was mediocre
orchid gust
prehaps it hasn't been tune For AL johnson songs
west hull
I entered make a song in the style of johnny cash, but it gets flagged for moderation and the voice is quite different
dry creek
i havent gotten flagged for moderation yet
orchid gust
might be they way i putting it in : in the style of Al johnson
west hull
same thing with me 🙂
dry creek
same thing with me 🙂
you should open more Suno tabs
orchid gust
yeap, i think it was me, i trying bon jon jovi, got a message up saying artist renamed.
west hull
https://www.udio.com/songs/hVFTA9bxFM4HH4494VaDwT johnny cashew
west hull
https://www.udio.com/songs/bd5B8MTnRJdSjN5c2hYT5o
but it gets some elements that are quite unique to the specific musician in every output imo
nasal rusty voice, now I have to google adjectives
dry creek
lmao if youre doing a song in the style of a band make sure you disable manual mode
it wont even come close otherwise
west hull
me or him? mine are not made with manual mode on.
ah it's a tipp, sorry I maybe too german to get everything :o)
dry creek
oh yeah sorry i was just saying that as a tip lol
west hull
you think it will get crackling quavering hoarse voice? 🙂
dry creek
i got a hoarse voice by adding blues into the prompt
but itll probably change your music a lot
west hull
idc all I want is the stuff to sound like the vocalist is 110 yo
dry creek
uh oh looks like Udio is slowing down again
been 5 mins since i hit generate and its still loading
back to Suno lol
west hull
https://www.udio.com/songs/meRYiTjMv98N1hEyFyaBua my melon rind blues got flagged for moderation :S but it`s the same prompt.. took 3 mins to generate
velvet halo
is there any main difference between udio and suno?
or is it just a question of what u like more
west hull
is there any main difference between udio and suno?
to me they're quite different. But best is you try for yourself. The prompting is quite different, too. not at first glance, but they get stuff very differently
dry creek
i usually later the vocal tracks and change pitch for harmonies
but with suno lately it’s been doing that for me but it’s been overkill
velvet halo
to me they're quite different. But best is you try for yourself. The prompting i...
quality wise?
west hull
udio is often clearer. But I prefer Sunos soundtracks and outputs, because I can adjust more and it's more variable to me
dry creek
yeah, usually keep the main vocal track the same pitch but i’ll clone it and mess around
i like dropping it an entire octave sometimes and have it really quiet in the background with a bunch of effects to kinda fill the space and give that ambient sound
west hull
malakka that's awesome
west hull
"reeeaall good woman" the first one is very nice expressed
you don't flag your songs public in your library or do you?
vale lake
you don't flag your songs public in your library or do you?
it should be in my library
how do iflag it?
you're welcome to the prompt
vale lake
click this
you can then click my bame
name
for prompts
I also have a LOT in suno
west hull
yupp thanks already found you 🙂
do you make those manually and add own lyrics?
every manual prompt I tried was real weird
but they're nice songs
yours ofc so ty for sharing
dry creek
man Udio blows Suno out of the water when it comes to metalcore
vale lake
do you make those manually and add own lyrics?
ya
my own lyrics, own prompts
except rhe horror one
where I got bored
vale lake
man Udio blows Suno out of the water when it comes to metalcore
yea, certain areas it does. Blues too.
Anything where the nuance/"wrinkles" in the sound are more important than the larger meta
like, blues is blues
It follows a very predictable progression
west hull
I knew your nick from the explore tab I think. within the hits 🙂
dry creek
yeah i like metal but a lot really sounds the same lol
vale lake
bc it's better quality
but when you need like, idk, unique hooks or ab unconventional melody, it breaks down
or rather, it works, and it's good
but if you examine the suno version, it's just broadly better in terms of construction, even if the audio is buddies
muddier
so basically doowop, 60s, certain acoustic tracks, metal, are udio
friendly
dry creek
i hope they increase the gen time soon tbh. i know it JUST came out, but working with 30 second intervals is a pain and i feel like it forgets the chorus melody by the time i get to the second chorus
vale lake
it's def an adjustment
it has it's pluses and minuses
I'll likely be boijcing back and forth
between monthlies
and just redoing
bc some end up better on one
some the orher
dry creek
yeah im def gonna be back and forth using both
west hull
I guess they will likely adjust the length and everything after the beta. right now they have loads of people spamming create and thats probably not too easy
- so the old rusty voice is likely from the blues input? no prompt for ooooold singer? 😄
hybrid yacht
80s hard rock metal Bon Jovi? by Udio.
west hull
west hull
80s hard rock metal Bon Jovi? by Udio.
I got Dio vibes for a few notes
vale lake
- so the old rusty voice is likely from the blues input? no prompt for ooooold s...
delta blues naturally produces that
which leads me to the issue I have with their model, namely it is overfit
the more I use it, the more that's my conclusion. It quite literally funnels itself towards certain well known sounds
like, I've heard several tracks now where it's like they stole a particular musicians voice
but they didn't use the muscician in the prompt
musician
ie it's just beelining towards those
it reminds me of when you apply an overturned LoRA
in sdxl
dry creek
i had one yesterday that literally ripped off a part from a song. like exact melody, exact sound entirely. it was only a 4 second clip, but i recognized it
vale lake
overtrained
dry creek
i cant figure out which song it was but i know its on my liked songs on spotify so ill find it eventually
vale lake
i had one yesterday that literally ripped off a part from a song. like exact mel...
yea, I've only had that ONCE with suno
dry creek
also i noticed inconsistant volume
vale lake
and it was clearly coincidental
vale lake
bc the prompts didn't match where I ended up
dry creek
by 3 mins its a lot louder
dont mind the lyrics, i took them from my old band from high school LMAO
vale lake
https://www.udio.com/songs/qmQ2CgVED6rabk5iHDhtFN
the struggle of being bi in high school?
The melodic progression is good
metal it does p well
dry creek
the struggle of being bi in high school?
i am not bi so idk what you mean lol
vale lake
is this the one it ripped off?
dry creek
Nah let me find it quick
vale lake
i am not bi so idk what you mean lol
making a joke about the "the guilt I feel" ie a lot of dudes feel guilty about being bi
vale lake
in any case, it's def goof there's competition
dry creek
https://www.udio.com/songs/md9JErByqMfqzX9NjXSAsF the first 4 seconds
its 100% from a song, its not much but i could recognize it
west hull
ah so now it's about finding the genre that produces the voice you like. But what if I dont like the genre? too tedious (:
dry creek
im really glad to see competition
west hull
they're already trying to make it possible toprompt for adjusted voices tho
dry creek
id like to stick with Suno so now this should mean more/faster updates hopefully lol
west hull
I had prompted for old ladies in a girlgroup barbershop, but that's prolly too much to ask for now ^^
proven pike
HI, why i cannot create melody what i want. Cannot clicking on the button create
floral mauve
Off topic cats
graceful swan
slender wraith
What I hope is that the move by Udio pushes Suno to up their quality of audio, 192kbs vs 320 udio, the clarity is night and day, If they can do that, Suno would seriously kick some butt.
blissful stone
The competition is what companies need
Stops them growing complacent with a "that'll do attitude"
spiral wave
blissful stone
We expect nothing less than greatness! ;D
dry creek
dont worry Tony we all still ❤️ Suno
coral goblet
Can we maybe have a own link for posting songs? Instead of putting it in general, we can put it in Music Room or something?
dry creek
so like #🐣┃suno-showcase
torpid sage
Still prefer Suno in most ways, but I must commend Udio on lyric generation. Was able to put a veritable book into the field, and it came up with some great lyrics that were pretty structured by the end of the song into an opera that covered the start, middle, and end of the character, with surprisingly little deviation.