🗣️┃chill-chat

[west hull]

you think it is though

[fathom aspen]

Boo hoo lmao

This is off topic for a reason

[west hull]

that's your top 54 iq response brother

[grave sequoia]

Dude, the mods have been actively discussing it in here too. We keep it to offtopic as per the rules.

[lusty dawn]

@uneven holly #💬┃general-chat message not vibing lol

[vestal moon]

People interested in music generation are gonna be interested in music generation stuff, that would be the same with any community. Suno could ban the word Udio if they wanted, though that wouldn't be a good look

[fathom aspen]

Atleast it's better than you're 20

[twilit needle]

y'know it takes at least one person to make a disc.

therefore

it is personal 🙃

[west hull]

anyways, if you guys think it's okay then you are braindead and there is no telling you otherwise

/me waves

[fathom aspen]

Good to know, thanks!

[grave sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-jerry-im-leaving-flounce-ok-then-gif-17149939

[lusty dawn]

I think even Suno team would want to know what their users think about a direct competitor. it's useful information for all parties

[prime bronze]

ao far not impressed personally

[twilit needle]

The voice got me, and the artist profile page

[prime bronze]

ofc servers ded so godawful generation time

[twilit needle]

but like...

[fathom aspen]

Exactly. We're not shitting on suno, we are giving them ideas or what not lmao.

[lusty dawn]

me too and I am weirdly pleased that it's not as good - maybe that's my suno bias wanting our tool to be the best. maybe it's because will.am.i is connected lol Idk

[twilit needle]

we've been promised artist profile pages at some point so big deal

[vestal moon]

Has anyone generated anything they think is exceptional with Udio? I need to see some cherrypicking

[ebon flax]

actually is quite good too lol (like the way the voice moves), now that im listening again

but i get what you're saying overall the track isnt what you want

like, the overall results arent great in this case, but there are elements that work if you get me

[twilit needle]

https://www.udio.com/songs/8GWRzLp3DKp8tTJGbfAzf6

[uneven holly]

udio is good and bad... but it is new and has some top guys at the healm so it'll improve in time, but for now toe public will be suitably impressed

[lusty dawn]

maybe peep the staff picks for a good read

[vestal moon]

I always want the new tools to be better but it's funny to see the hype channels trying to go crazy for every trac regardless of quality

[uneven holly]

i made this, not exceptional by any means but it was easy enough to produce https://www.udio.com/songs/4Hp5kaqJebkuhMnU7XbQSp

[twilit needle]

I'd honestly be happy if this pushes Suno's release of Artist Profiles into production sooner

[uneven holly]

kinda cradle of filth vibes

[lusty dawn]

does udio have profiles? i missed that

[twilit needle]

Yes

[twilit needle]

Huh... it doesn't have the overmodulated bass thing going that Suno does

[ebon flax]

haha definitely does sound like the model is leaning into that

[uneven holly]

it seems to pull a lot of the style from the lyrics over the actual prompt which is super annoying

like really annoying

[twilit needle]

Sometimes the lyrics and the music style prompt in Suno will fight

that is a thing

[vestal moon]

Cradle of Filth sound with Monster Mash lyrics. At least we can all come together in collective disappointment at both tools inability to generate decent lyrics

[ebon flax]

sometimes i dont mind it, like its like another level of guidance. But it can go both ways

[burnt viper]

is anyone having an issue with creating on Suno - I can't seem to get into my account. I keep hitting create but nothing is happening

[ebon flax]

haha the music at the end is actually quite rad. I might be so new to Udio that im not picking up on its cliche tropes that it might do, but parts of that song were quite good

edit: i mean the music, not the lyrics 😆

[twilit needle]

log in

[slow bronze]

I'm impressed by some of the things other people have made. But playing around with it it seems like udio is not really generating anything good based on my prompts. I trashed everything I've made so far. It is really straying from the genres I'm telling it. I got like a death metal song when I asked for kpop.

[twilit needle]

I know I got logged out

[uneven holly]

oh man... all the lyrics are made with gpt4 except the outro which i let udio make on the fly xD

[burnt viper]

It's not even letting me do that

[uneven holly]

i was honestly impressed myself

[burnt viper]

@twilit needle it's not giving me the option

[uneven holly]

like they have a really good llm under there

[prime bronze]

absolute garbage when trying exact same prompts for my finnish rap in suno

[twilit needle]

sec

[vestal moon]

I think Claude/PI are a it better than GPT on lyrics. GPT is a pretty derivative writer

[prime bronze]

almost sonauto level

[twilit needle]

You click sign up

[uneven holly]

gpt is awful for lyrics, i have to go through it line by line... its so cliche and boring

[twilit needle]

they're the same thing (in this case)

[burnt viper]

okay let me try again because that's what I was looking for @twilit needle

[ebon flax]

yea, it does seem pretty good, I think I'm coming around to it. Initially i was a bit weary. It's all good competition for Suno

[prime bronze]

where is the artist profile in udio?

[grim idol]

pretty solid comedy https://www.udio.com/songs/naR7Zz2CxT1z2aSPnrhGnd

[vestal moon]

Whoever can give us the ability to save and reproduce a sound (vocals, instrumentation) wins.

[twilit needle]

underneath the song I think?

[burnt viper]

okay I see what happened @twilit needle - i'm using my company laptop they blocked the site

[ebon flax]

that part in the track from 2:06 is so awesome. I love that lead guitar line!!!!! 🤣

[burnt viper]

I'm on my personal laptop

[twilit needle]

big oof

[prime bronze]

ah, just my user account

[uneven holly]

sunos extend from anywhere is such a great feature, so many of my saved generations are just for the first 5 seconds

[burnt viper]

I know....I'm working from home @twilit needle - I guess they look at all sites as a threat now one of these companies that no one wants their info LOL

[prime bronze]

i thought more like saving the specific voice like in sonauto

[twilit needle]

Let me know if you get to where you can log in 😅

[burnt viper]

thanks for the assistance have a fab day creating ❤️

[twilit needle]

Np 😉

[burnt viper]

@twilit needle I wa able to log into my personal laptop 🥰

[vestal moon]

It's not quite the same since you already have certain elements that are going to be set by that point but that is a good approach to trying to get a consistent sound

[quartz ridge]

Hey guys. Theres a super intense storm out there right now. Super windy and currently flooding..lucky i live on a hill

[ebon flax]

yea that's a good technique!!

[twilit needle]

Same here (about the hill part)

[vestal moon]

I haven't played with Sonauto yet, the quality doesn't seem to be amazing but if it can reproduce a voice, that's a great feature

[twilit needle]

Sonauto was kinda eh imo

But then again, I'm pretty spoiled by Suno

[ebon flax]

true

without comparing it to Suno it would be amazing haha

[twilit needle]

lol when v4a comes out it's only gonna get worse

[ebon flax]

it's pretty cool for a free project

they should change the name though

[twilit needle]

I think they called it sonauto to catch our attention

[vestal moon]

Yeah, it's above pretty much every other song generation tool, Suno just had such a moat prior to Udio and now we have some real competition

[grim idol]

I stress tested Udio's 'generate backwards in time' using your clip, prompted with a classic rock-music prompt. So at time 0:33 the song transitions between my prompt and your clip.

1. (Not well connected at all, but the new clip is a nice song) https://www.udio.com/songs/dijzc6BnrKoBCD13fUt6M2 (This song is now changed and replaced by something more like #2...!?)
2. (still a harsh connection, but the overall vibes are closer fit) https://www.udio.com/songs/aFP5B3G4djQACA358BH3n6

Arguably this is working as intended, since I totally changed the style prompt. Though maybe I would want a smoother transition instead of one that is so abrupt ideally.

[twilit needle]

Yeah, love the team, but at the same time. Watch your 6

[dry creek]

udio more like udi-slow amirite

[ebon flax]

what the... this is great !!! instantly like this first track

like the part that comes before the Whisper has very little relevance... but sounds absolutely amazing

[twilit needle]

first one is pretty good

Hold up, hold up

Did that thing have SOUNDEFFECTS?

[vestal moon]

I thought I might have heard a penguin but I'm not sure. Sounds like shoveling mayb?

It is interesting

[dry creek]

6 mins of 1 udio gen and its still loading lol

[vestal moon]

I have to imagine Udio predicted the hug of death but there's only so much you can do to deal with it, I guess, at least the site hasn't gone down entirely

[ebon flax]

huh, what happened lol??! i first heard this awesome late 1960s track, or early 1970s track... now I cant hear that?!?

[twilit needle]

Just like the v2 days

[grim idol]

Wait a minute my clips just changed... weird. Now they are both in the same style I described number 2? Maybe a website bug

[open galleon]

prefer to wait six minutes and hear a SOLO vocal for a change

[twilit needle]

okay so definitely a weird universal glitch

[ebon flax]

the first thing was crazy arghhh, shouldve downloaded that 🤣

i genuinely wanted to hear it again

[vestal moon]

Udio finally finished my first track, some reggae and it did consistently get the patois accent. The music itself is alright https://www.udio.com/songs/odtsE7DzQFuXqmtw1QRetQ

Have y'all experimented with music in different languages on Udio? THat's half of what I do with Suno since the lyrics suck

[grim idol]

I'm glad you listened to it, I thought I was going crazy for a second

[vestal moon]

Don't gotta worry about neon lights in Cambodian because I don't know what that word is

[ebon flax]

if i heard that anywhere I would've looked to see who the track was by so I could listen to it later lol

like it was super convincing to me

[hoary wind]

Hmm. It doesn't seem to be adhering to my prompts as well as I'd like. I tried a few random things like I've tried in Suno: "glitch music box", "sitar edm", "sitar dubstep", "banjo hip-hop" and it seems to pick one part of the prompt and ignore the other

[lethal latch]

Sooo

[vestal moon]

The first track (before the edit) sounded like the sort of song they'd make up for a TV show that had to use non-commercial beetles like music

[iron frost]

After playing with Udio, I feel like the voices are more stable - but they don't actually know how to generate stables songs. Suno usually gives me a melody that works with almost any lyrics I feed it. But udio actually sounds like I actually would in real life 😛

[lethal latch]

Yesterday i tried generating a full song with Suno

[vestal moon]

It's the AI "That Thing You Do"

[lethal latch]

everything done on just Suno

[twilit needle]

k

[lethal latch]

with only small edits for like , ending part , since most songs at the end just cut out

[ebon flax]

there was a Beatles feel yea, though it did have some nice progressive vibes or something to it... i hope it magically comes back somehow

[slow bronze]

asked for kpop and got this https://www.udio.com/songs/ncwAj1A5UMweThFpQ849R2 nothing like kpop and sounds terrible. I think I will just wait a few days and try it out.

[vestal moon]

I have been liking the vocal quality in Udio. Nothing has really hooked me yet in terms of my enjoyment of the song but there are some areas where the quality is better.

[vestal moon]

I don't think we have any idea of how Udio works but it might be a load vs inference time thing where there are so many people so the model is cutting corners.

[ebon flax]

the Udio version is growing on me lol

[vale lake]

same

[dry creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxEbfVmI67o stems are planned according to this vid

so thats cool

[vale lake]

and fr it's just one gen

like, with variation

if the damn site worked haha

[twilit needle]

definitely not kpop, but it would be a great intro for a different genre

were you using manual mode?

[vestal moon]

Stems would be a huge deal, then we could potentially layer the best takes of multiple generation, though I guess inconsistent rhythm and BPM is still an issue there

Still, just having an isolated vocal track would be amazing to use it on its own or remove it for a clean instrumental

[twilit needle]

Instrumental versions of things, now that'd really be somethin'

[dry creek]

now i have 2 generations that are just stuck in forever loading, meaning i cant even try to make more because thats the limit i guess

[vestal moon]

It took me 10+ minutes to generate but it got there. Udio's just hammered right now

[hoary wind]

Seems like today will be a good day to use Suno, if everyone's flooding Udio instead

[vestal moon]

I wouldn't be surprised if there were more people using Suno today to compare and contrast with Udio than there would be on normal day.

[ebon flax]

hmm maybe, though most ppl probably wont compare lol

[hoary wind]

Perhaps. But then it'll be 50/50 split and with Udio taking a long time to generate... That might slow usage down

[ebon flax]

actually oh yea good point

[twilit needle]

Happy thoughts

[hoary wind]

There'll also be a slurry of people assuming it'll be better for whatever reason

[vestal moon]

I just think interest in music generation in general is going to see a peak when a new tool like this comes out. SUno is generally pretty quick with generating most of the time so I'm not sure you'll see a lot of gains but maybe.

All of those youtubers mentioning Udio in relation to Suno are going to get people playing with both, though most will focus more energy on the shiny new toy.

[ebon flax]

yea that is true. I forget that not everyone knows about Suno even

people have gotta make some songs about Suno vs Udio if it isn't happening already

[slow bronze]

I think that example was ones I did auto generate but I've also tried manual mode.

[vestal moon]

Most of the people talking about it only have viewers that are already in the AI bubble so I don't think it will be a huge day for Suno but I imagine they're still getting some traffic.

[ebon flax]

it's a good bubble 😆

[maiden hornet]

so, what do we all think about Udio? What's the gist?

[grave sequoia]

It's different.

[west hull]

today right now it's 100% trash

maybe next week, tomorrow who knows

[vestal moon]

I do wish there were some more critical thinkers in the AI youtuber world. There are some good channels but most like to hype the new thing regardless of whether it's actually any better.

[ebon flax]

wonder what the costs will be like

it might inform future costs for Suno, and Suno will inform pricing for it, vice versa

and i think there's also Adobe and Nvidia music generators coming out some point too

so will be interesting how that all affects pricing

[maiden hornet]

summarized the above few dozen messages with chatgpt, in case anyone's interested:

1. Vocal Quality Appreciation: There's a nod towards Udio for having some quality aspects, particularly in the vocals, though it hasn't completely won everyone's heart... yet. Some folks are warming up to it, suggesting there's potential if not an outright win.

2. Technical Teething Issues: The chat hints at possible technical limitations or growing pains for Udio, like load vs. inference time impacted by high user demand. This has led to slow generations and even stuck processes, which seems to frustrate users a bit.

3. Features and Future Possibilities: The mention of "stems" planning (separating tracks like vocals and instruments) is generating excitement. This could allow users to mix and match parts of different generations, enhancing creative freedom despite concerns about consistency.

4. Comparative Curiosity: There's an undercurrent of comparison with Suno, suggesting that users are toggling between the two platforms to gauge which serves their needs better. Udio's newness appears to be its current draw, but the efficiency and output of Suno are still valued.

[vestal moon]

Matthew Berman is pretty good but Wes Roth and even MattVidPro tend to just force the hype

[hollow nova]

6 mins and my song still hasn't generated on udio

[west hull]

pretty quality info

good deal

[vestal moon]

That is a good summary of the recent conversation. From what I've heard I'd agree, not really better or worse clearly, just another option

[maiden hornet]

the stems would be interesting

[twilit needle]

MattWolfe tends to be okay

[hollow nova]

how long does the generation take on udio?

[twilit needle]

good for summaries on the new stuff

[west hull]

still processing

[hollow nova]

😂

[maiden hornet]

perhaps overloaded from all the buzz

[vestal moon]

I mean, I like all of these channels, I just try to take the hype around a new release with a grain of salt.

[hollow nova]

yea i mean look at chatgpt 4.....dog shit

and it's only gotten worse

[vestal moon]

I even watch Wes Roth, we need to support him with his struggles in being SHOCKED by everything

[hollow nova]

snowflake on steroids

[ebon flax]

haha i dont know who he is, but that sounds funny lol 🤣

[sterile nebula]

It's probably better at certain genre's worse at others. From the limited amount i've seen, it seems better at country for example

[hollow nova]

tried to have it correct the grammar in one of my EMAILS and it refused because it was related to a criminal matter I was discussing....like hello it can't understand context yet?

[polar snow]

Epic Orchestral Music is on another level on Udio +320kbps

[vestal moon]

Well, that's not just him. Seems like half the AI videos have SHOCKED or STUNNED somewhere in the title

[ebon flax]

probably works too well and they keep doing it lol

[cyan cloud]

it has crystal clear voices when it comes to country or smooth songs but for example in greek language its cutting down on lyrics for me at least. Also considering how much hype was built upon you would have expected with the people backing it up to have much better infrastructure at release.

[hollow nova]

i LOVE the vocals on udio

they have so much more soul and character to them

[ebon flax]

nice!! i love the chord progressions its using. Not too cliche, the right amount!!

[pallid ice]

udio server all but down lol

barely usable now

I'm getting Backend Processing Error for basically every generation

[polar snow]

I love it too!

[vale lake]

bruh

https://www.udio.com/songs/sNNhNFLHGfFRzPyZJ5otwh

[ebon flax]

lol i think im ready to pay for Udio now and ive barely even used it, but im getting more convinced

[vestal moon]

SOME Udio vocals have soul and character. They're mostly high quality but there are a lot of generic vocals on those tracks

[vale lake]

this could be straight out of a blind lemon jefferson

record

[cyan cloud]

suno is much better atm just because you can do 2min songs and if you are familiar with prompting on it it gives fire results. But once udio reaches the point of 2min generations and fixes their server issues i can see it being close. I am gonna get paid sub on both anyway once the time comes

[grim idol]

Managed to pull the old version out of an unrefreshed browser tab by screen recording. weird bug

[vale lake]

that's wild

[hollow nova]

god damn @hazy oxide

[vale lake]

it even sounds like it's old degraded footage

[hollow nova]

@vale lake

see that's what im talking about....the vocals are nuts

[west hull]

isn't it, that if we have 100 of these apps that they can't expect to make money with it themselves?

[hollow nova]

it generates songs that sound like they are ripped right off a record

[ebon flax]

yea does seem like that at times lol

[cyan cloud]

btw reminder that suno song vocals sound fire when mastered with bandlab or similar tools. The difference is day and night. Probably the final output on udio goes through mastering or something

[rocky gulch]

is udio good

[ebon flax]

yes!!!!! I swear that chord progression reminds me of a track... it'll come to me

Edit: its a Rush song its reminding me of... which one is it lol

[hollow nova]

i mean if I heard that on spotify i wouldn't think twice it was from a blues album from back in the day

[vestal moon]

Ah,so it knows Leadbelly? This is good, Suno isn't great at this folksy vocals

[hollow nova]

need to have it generate me some old neil young classics 😄

[vale lake]

lhttps://youtu.be/NdgrQoZHnNY?si=qdQgVorLy4klHCp9

[rocky gulch]

udio works but my renders r stuck haha

[vale lake]

like, here's son hoise

and heres a gen it did

[midnight river]

How long does udio take to generate ?

[west hull]

I mean wait 5 months and every 7 year old can make deepfakes and mad soundtracks on their parents phone better than wiping their noses...

[delicate coral]

REally? butis open to everyone?

[rocky gulch]

yea

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/cEdU4P5ctwtC2cxKEwQe5n

this one it even riffed

and cut out half the lyrics

[rocky gulch]

does udio do edm

[delicate coral]

I'll try agin then

[rocky gulch]

do u know why udio is stuck

[versed bramble]

is udio connected with suno?

[delicate coral]

Besides been stuck do you like it?

[rocky gulch]

no

[rocky gulch]

it looks promising

[west hull]

atm it's not generating anything for me. been 40 mins

[rocky gulch]

same

its been stuck

[pallid ice]

Suno vs Udio is like ex-Meta vs ex-Google

[hollow nova]

i got a couple songs generated

took about 10 mins

[delicate coral]

Same as Suno yestterday 😛

[vestal moon]

Have y'all tried doing much with meta tags? It would be interesting to see how its tag adherence compares

[rocky gulch]

i think theres a line

id reccomend u all join the social media

[west hull]

yupp like ten minutes. 15 mins ago

[rocky gulch]

only for more info

[delicate coral]

ok, thanks

[ebon flax]

The progression reminds me of this haha (I know its different, but thats what I was thinking of)
https://youtu.be/gymNRI66BBk?si=dn2ZxmlsTejAqveq&t=49

[orchid gust]

https://www.udio.com/songs/5qKstBE7j7qQ9vYCNZAPAK
so far not impress servers are Fried , and completing and extended track is nie impossible.:(

[dry creek]

yeah im hoping the long generations are just from server issues

quality is great

cant wait for Suno to get this good

[orchid gust]

yeah quality is great. i left the server for like 40 mins spinning.still zero

[ebon flax]

now they got some competition 🔥

[dry creek]

also i asked that youtuber if he knew any info about their copyright stuff (he had an NDA with them previously!)

[hollow nova]

https://www.udio.com/songs/3qAcCyMuXV1MpikzsTS2Hf

this looks like basquiat no?

[vestal moon]

Yup, that's definitely Basquiat

[hollow nova]

yup i thought so too

[open galleon]

same here...

[ebon flax]

sounds pretty good!

[dry creek]

my first one is still generating, been 30something mins, but my second finished around 15 mins

[vestal moon]

It's probably just gonna keep getting worse today until most of the US is asleep

[open galleon]

too early to tell, quality on first generation was very good, 2nd generation is taking forever

[grave sequoia]

Been interesting to play with it for longer gens.
https://www.udio.com/songs/14aeFxSTbZ7fBcTqK7pQun

[dry creek]

those darn AMERICANS

the worst, especially the New Yorkers!

[midnight river]

Voice is better than suno but still not perfect

[orchid gust]

yeap, get off the servers goto bed america :0

[dry creek]

but its only 2PM!

[orchid gust]

what that got to do with it, it 7 pm here

[dry creek]

i still gotta use up my credits for today i guess back to suno since its taking 15+ mins for generations on Udio LMAO

[open galleon]

if you fancy watching 2 hours of content a day about AI, he's your man

[hollow nova]

https://www.udio.com/songs/2rtaoZ4HwecA93b3PeHHeB definitely sounds like cobain

[vestal moon]

Those are rookie numbers

[ebon flax]

i have moments like that, so i will keep him in mind... even if its over the top

[hollow nova]

i didn't even look at the title of this i just played it and my first thought was.....sounds a lot like cobain. Now I see why ^_^

almost sounds like staley/cobain mash up

[vestal moon]

Wes's actual content is reasonable, it's just the clickbait titles and hype for whatever the shiny new thing is but that's pretty much all AI youtubers

[ebon flax]

i see i see

[dry creek]

following the competition! 😉 lol

[vestal moon]

Yeah, I get a lot more Staley from this. I'll need to play around with some grunge.

[orchid gust]

you going to get banned 🙂 by suno 🍭

[dry creek]

who me? lol

is it cuz im a NYer?! LMAO

[west hull]

nah the mods are advertising the competitor also so i think they are good.

[midnight river]

wtf lol https://www.udio.com/songs/cooALtD33PgPGXPJnKnucW

[west hull]

54 mins of generating and still not done

[hollow nova]

i generated a song with the prompt "in the style of neil young" please be good please be good

[ebon flax]

oh damn im only at 5 mins

[midnight river]

mine did it in 15 mins

[twilit needle]

I generated 27 seconds of silence with Suno one time lol

[polar snow]

Which mode? I had the same problem with "Instrumental mode"

[west hull]

i checked lyrics bubble and didn't use manual mode

[long tendon]

I think Floridians top them

[west hull]

i used custom lyrics

[hollow nova]

https://www.udio.com/songs/eqKJrFgnp9H1dfxFnPcMDG

i mean COME ON

[ebon flax]

https://suno.com/song/7f313332-90a0-42bd-80f3-c80ca7749a54

[hollow nova]

this is ICE CUBE

CLEARLY

[west hull]

i'm also using hip hop style

[hollow nova]

listen to this

[polar snow]

Ok, I cannot help you with that one. I know that if you try instrumental mode it doesnt work or least didnt work for like 4h

[dry creek]

looks like my suno membership ended... im supposed to get 3 free months from their social media stuff. wonder when that kicks in

[twilit needle]

Epic

[hollow nova]

shit is just straight using other artists voice

[ebon flax]

i want my credits back lol

[vale lake]

Subo imo still wins on instrumentals

[full yarrow]

I've been doing some experimentation with extending songs from a point, and then extending the extended versions of them.

Fun stuff.

[vale lake]

like it's no contest

[west hull]

email support sooner than later if you don't want to find out after the fact haha

[twilit needle]

You did it on purpose lol

[hollow nova]

I smell jail time 😂

[twilit needle]

you don't get it back

[dry creek]

it JUST ended so im gonna give it some time

will def contact them tn if nothing

[ebon flax]

well i didnt actually the style tags were to generate a normal track lol, but even still its all part of random generation

[west hull]

you think people will go to jail over something like this? lol

[hollow nova]

no i'm teasing

but i definitely smell a lawsuit

[west hull]

i was like dammmn

[vale lake]

this: https://www.udio.com/songs/vXH8UY8zeKyKrcAJZKLrRM

vs:
https://suno.com/song/3d5e05e0-2d1d-4589-8899-f9fa94b23010

[blissful stone]

Been 100% blown away with Udio so far

It's Little Richard meets Otis Redding basically

[slow bronze]

It does oldies really good.

[twilit needle]

Suno, def better

[vale lake]

it's really just vocals

[ebon flax]

the sound on the Udio one is good though

like it has a good range of frequencies

[vale lake]

and quality of the tracks

[west hull]

they might slow it down but it can't be stopped anyway. as cartman put it: your wiener my balls they're all publicdomain now 🙂

[toxic root]

I prefer Udio on this one

[vale lake]

eh, no

[toxic root]

Less energetic but good nonetheless

[ebon flax]

i like the composition on Suno, but the sound on Udio

[vale lake]

no contest lol

[full yarrow]

https://suno.com/song/ccf88754-1a88-402d-ba5e-c870e99063cc

[vale lake]

that's a given

[toxic root]

Wdym

[vale lake]

I was just being cheeky

[toxic root]

ah xd

[ebon flax]

theyre two different styles too, like they'd suit different situations

[vale lake]

but in this case, the udio one isn't really even making a melody

it's aimless

but not in a goodcway

[ebon flax]

if they were music for a movie or the background to something

[vale lake]

I think it works better with lyrics

[ebon flax]

i could hear it in a movie lol

[vale lake]

and then and intro

bc you can generate preludes

which is pretty interesting

[toxic root]

idk it sounds pretty good to me lmao

[midnight river]

just audio quality wise in this example i think the audio is "clearer" for udio but yeah suno is better in everything else

[toxic root]

it's cinematic

[vale lake]

oh for sure

yea, this I see

[ebon flax]

yea i hear ya haha. I could see some guy wandering aimlessly around a city, its very tragic

[full yarrow]

it's less aimless than you think

you have to point it

[proud totem]

did you just copy paste the logs or do you have a script/tool to do that for you?

[west hull]

copy and paste and ask to summarize

[full yarrow]

i could see this being used like a snippet tool for an audacity-similar program in the future

[cyan cloud]

reminder: suno initial output if put through mastering (you can use bandlab or even paid mastering apps) the mastered output is much better. Udio vocals are more clear probably run through a mastering plugin

[toxic root]

Also Suno sometimes makes the vocals a bit autotuned

[vestal moon]

What we need is "AI music bot arena" feed in a prompt and you get the Suno and Udio output and you pick your favorite

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/9YFTVaZiXNLqoUieCdrisL

but like

all variations on this

[toxic root]

That's a great idea

[vale lake]

are so casiotone for the painfully alone

[dry creek]

someone make a rap battle between suno and udio lol

[vale lake]

They're just great

[ebon flax]

wow those frequencies are going crazy in my headphones

[midnight river]

I did not consent to that my lawyers will be in contact with you shortly

[ebon flax]

the high ones lol

[toxic root]

Also how does Udio generate their lyrics? I found them to be much less generic than the usual LLM lyrics

Suno's songs usually start with "In the world of..." and use the word intertwine a lot

[vale lake]

they likely have a fine tune

[proud totem]

ask on the udio discord 😆

[vale lake]

they def used way more non-produced

and indie

which will have much less "middle-america" overtones

[ebon flax]

Suno offtopic = Udio discord

(i'm aware there is a proper one too lol)

[vestal moon]

Udio's lyrics are maybe better than Suno/GPT's but I'd still give the edge to Claude

[hot mountain]

Lol, look what I did (suno ai)
https://suno.com/song/96661372-da61-4179-817a-4160a497f063

[ebon flax]

PRESENTING SUNO!!!!

[proud totem]

i guess thats one way to keep tabs on your competitors

[toxic root]

Jesus lmao

[ebon flax]

in the context of the conversation this track is very funny 😅

[midnight river]

Maybe this will push suno to make their voices better

[hot mountain]

i know, lol

[sterile nebula]

my testing with Udio seems to not be great for vocals, are any of you guys actually getting anything close to V3 quality? only examples i've seen arguably close (or actually much better) are country songs on the featured page, everythign else seems closer to V2

[dry creek]

i cant make a final answer since its takes like 20+ mins per generation

[vestal moon]

Suno vs Udio is kind of like GPT vs Claude. If Suno is convinced V4 will be better than Udio, then they don't mind them generating more customers who will then switch over to Suno V4.

[toxic root]

It's very volatile atm, some songs sound like v2, others sound like v5 to me

[ebon flax]

lol its a funny track

[vestal moon]

Yeah, it's pretty inconsistent so just keep generating at 1 hour per generation and you'll get a hit eventually

[sterile nebula]

hmm ill keep trying then but it's definitely weird

max song length of 1m30 if I understood correctly, seems unusable too, but then again there's no monetizing yet anyway

[midnight river]

this is the way

[hot mountain]

same

[toxic root]

Thats not true tho, there are songs over 3 mins

[vestal moon]

Some genres Udio seems to really nail that Suno can't like those really folksy blues vocals

[sterile nebula]

I was just going by their faq on how continues work, but I haven't been able to test it yet

[toxic root]

Also their old songs are just amazing

[west hull]

i haven't been able to get it to generate any rap whatsoever. with custom lyrics. just generates forever

[toxic root]

https://www.udio.com/songs/gajKkTvivm1nJx6oNQjFk1
This one is over 3 minutes

[vale lake]

OK, so.... yaaaaa

[strange gorge]

Woahhh udio is uh

dang

[ebon flax]

I guess I should've put more effort into these lyrics:
https://www.udio.com/songs/gANcowiNkqmBvG5T2961yL
https://www.udio.com/songs/52Tz1DuVPdHrghUMrsuBKo

[strange gorge]

2024 is the year of LLM music I guess

[late bramble]

gotta make a song for that art 🤣

[valid veldt]

Ok welp. To many people are on it.

[strange gorge]

Just play the official song of Minnesota or whatever

[ebon flax]

that is so damn scary

[vale lake]

right?

[ebon flax]

and also impressive

[vale lake]

I'm going to make some really weird shit once I can generate enough to "dial in"

right now it's basically ally useless

[proud totem]

I'm going to see if I can get the AI to summon Cthulu

[vale lake]

plz

[midnight river]

My song got flagged I am going to prison

[proud totem]

depends. are you in a woke country?

[orchid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/right-to-jail-jail-parks-and-rec-right-away-fred-armisen-gif-16039907319194806297

[vale lake]

this was the sister track

https://www.udio.com/songs/aZ7gou3T3wgFpLTku2VZ2U

[hoary wind]

Like Suno, it doesn't seem to do animal noises or things like that. Testing with a standup comedy spoken word thing next

[strange gorge]

Udio can get ultra weird, yeah

[vale lake]

you will die in 7 days

[proud totem]

BEcause Suno does notify the worldwide woke police

[midnight river]

no

[toxic root]

This one gives me the creeps wtf

[proud totem]

then you'll probably just be euthaniezd

[ebon flax]

lol!!!!! wtf ahahahahahaha

[midnight river]

Damn I guess the devs sold their soul to devil or something lol

[strange gorge]

Welp what i've seen of udio is ultra compelling

You ask it for weird shit it goes 'yeeee'

[hoary wind]

I've had only one piece of music I'm interested in out of it so far

[strange gorge]

I've only got a single set of generations out of it

But I want to get it wierd

Have to wait till it stabilizes I guess

[hoary wind]

How come they have a voice chat in their discord but we don't

[strange gorge]

voice chat is terrible, op

really though I'm guessing it's for moderation reasons

[proud totem]

for me the sound has been worse than suno and the generations are 33 seconds long each

[strange gorge]

No doubt, but it seems to be willing to mix things that Suno struggles with

or just give you widly experimental stuff, like Yolkhead posted

Suno always tries to sing
Which is good, on the whole, since that's what people really want

I'd like to play with it in a more experimental sense

[proud totem]

that'd be nice but basic stuff like orchestral music sounds like it was recorded by a high school band

[strange gorge]

idk most of what people post here using Suno also sounds like garbage so I'd be a bad judge of song quality since I'm so high on my own supply

[proud totem]

agreed, but suno does really well with classical/orchestral compared to stuff shared on discord. the sound quality is much better

the cherry picked Udio examples I've heard so far had much better quality, especially in vocals, but everything I try to generate is crap

even though I'm generating really basic stuff trying to get a feel for how classical genres map to their training data

[strange gorge]

Yeah and like I said, I've just got one through and it was vaporwave country and it pretty much nailed what I imagine that would sound like
It is just a couple of 33 second clips but

The blend

[austere helm]

This is precisely whats happening to me

[hoary wind]

Yeah the quality seems good, the vocals seem to have a bit more expression/life to them but that's not useful if I don't find the music interesting

[ebon flax]

the other thing with Udio atm is its so damn slow to generate, so if you could generate more in a row you might be able to pick the ones you like better

[vale lake]

I imagine you raised your pinkie for this

[austere helm]

Yeah my Udio stuff sounds like an ameteur recording studio, or like some kid in his basement

[vale lake]

like a true afficianado

[strange gorge]

very much so

[proud totem]

yeah i'd like to throw money at them so i can get priority queue like Suno but... they launched free only (wut)

[ebon flax]

but with a fairly decent-ish recording setup

[strange gorge]

this is the real thing though
It's so slow to generate that it breaks the flow
I don't know about you guys but typically how it works for me is I'll be messing around then all of a sudden you 'catch' something and end up trying to chase that down

[proud totem]

the reverb on anything ive generated is even worse. it's like they're recording in grand central station

[strange gorge]

hard to do that when you can only generate 1 set at a time and it's many minutes before the next

[ebon flax]

yea that quick generation is everything 💯

[austere helm]

Some of them maybe

[strange gorge]

breaks the flow and you wander away

[ebon flax]

true, is a bit hit and miss

[strange gorge]

I'm sure it has it's 'feel' like Stable Diffusion or Dall-E or MidJourney

Those all make images but they speak their own language

I imagine it's going to be the same for any other generative AI systems including music

[austere helm]

True yeah midjourney definitely does have its distinctness compared to stable diffusion

[strange gorge]

What was that other s-named music LLM

[ebon flax]

sunauto?

[strange gorge]

Sonauto

yeah

that one is shit imho

[ebon flax]

it is, but at the same time its probably like made by one person hahaha

[twilit needle]

'# Suno Is Superior

[midnight river]

Honestly, elevenlabs should make something like suno, if someone can do it better it would be them

[proud totem]

two: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39992817

[strange gorge]

It reminds me of that one image generator when all the image ones popped off

Do you guys remember? The image one?

[ebon flax]

close!!!

[austere helm]

Honestly the only complaint i have about suno really is that choir vocals at times, but i know thats something the devs are working on so once that gets sorted out its golden

[strange gorge]

It made crap images but they had their charm

[vale lake]

can we also note that the cover gens are um...
https://www.udio.com/songs/wgK43ohStJj6SpRhCJ8yDN

accurate

[austere helm]

and bruh my udio generation is going on 10 minutes now

[strange gorge]

I'll check Udio more at like 3 am EST

[austere helm]

I'm asleep then lmao

[twilit needle]

Since when did people around here sleep lol

[vale lake]

16 minutes

[midnight river]

17 mins and nothing

[vale lake]

yea, I mean, I think it's a general issue with some nuddiness. You can lean into it and get some amazing music

but this does open up some possibilities

i love gen AI every time you think you know shit something new pops up

[austere helm]

I mean yeah sometimes it does work well exactly how you want it

[vale lake]

I hope it's just like this now

[austere helm]

but at other times its not desired at all

[vale lake]

every week I'm like getting my mind blown

[strange gorge]

Exactly. It's really cool to be here for this right on the edge of it all

[austere helm]

Whats amazing to me is like my first full song on suno is still my best one ive done, like i did a few generations to play aroudn with it but i ended up getting one that was just amazing and nothing ive made since ive liked as much, maybe its a sense of pride in that being my first, but still it just sounded absolutely perfect, nailed the lyrics on its own, everything

[late crown]

time out for 24 hours for not keeping it PG13

[midnight river]

I give up for now, it's impossible to experiment with udio at 1 song per half an hour

[austere helm]

Yeah mines still going

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/s6uPn1SHYKv9X9ZaRiCZPN

vs

https://suno.com/song/93b719ff-9d10-41a4-bf7e-069c20b78549

[hoary wind]

Ok it seems to handle stand-up comedy performance pretty well: https://www.udio.com/songs/6s4M7f5CcRPGjpDPKnMCTg

Impressed that it picked up the standing one leg / covering an eye part

[ebon flax]

i dont wanna laugh at those jokes 🤣 , but the voice clarity and delivery is very good

[twilit needle]

Now that's really good

[hoary wind]

Yeah it's meant to be really dumb stuff nobody would actually laugh at

[toxic root]

Love his raspy voice

[vale lake]

when the peepee poopoo am I right

[twilit needle]

So Udio stand up comedy

[ebon flax]

on Suno you might have to do quite a few generations before you get it right. Like im guessing you did this first shot

[hoary wind]

Suno version for comparison, which turns into a musical at the end: https://suno.com/song/171895f2-32c0-463f-b4e7-94b1885f746e/

[vale lake]

I.... uh oh

I blame Eric Andre

and Aqua Teen Hunger Force

[twilit needle]

Udio is superior for stand up comedy

that is what we have learned today

[ebon flax]

definitely definitely seems that way

[hoary wind]

I mean Suno's version gave me plenty of soundboard material such as

[ebon flax]

even crazier considering you would've done this first take

[restive hare]

I dunno man, it seems AI will never understand human comedy

[restive hare]

oh crap the AI understands human comedy

[proud totem]

FUNNYBOT

[ebon flax]

that got me good

[proud totem]

https://tenor.com/bJcam.gif

[vale lake]

this is just... 🎨

[hoary wind]

Both the Udio and Suno versions were the first generation.

[ebon flax]

ahh nice to know!!

[twilit needle]

I'm going to have to write a comedy now

[hoary wind]

I was running out of credits at the time xD

[vale lake]

literally dadaist

[grim idol]

V3 will turn into a song but V2 will generally stick with the comedy, is one way they are pretty different:
https://suno.com/song/33ba057f-8fe6-4769-8d0e-c6252e6e0ddc/

[ebon flax]

Sounds like Foo Fighters combined with Nirvana:
https://www.udio.com/songs/mi3V5kdiRDQYf68DhQXV55

(just copied lyrics from one of my Suno songs)

[hoary wind]

Has more laughter in it as well. v3 really wants to sing

[austere helm]

So my issue when it comes to the style of music im looking for, Udio makes it too hard of rock, too metal sounding

[twilit needle]

Not bad

[late crown]

Sooo.. what's up with the "liked songs".. did anybody check that with Udio?

[ebon flax]

yea it really sounds like Nirvana for some reason lol

[austere helm]

Comparison:

https://www.udio.com/songs/o2ZZYCaz84cT3CZUVvGanK

vs

https://suno.com/song/a9be7230-6aa9-4b77-a66c-07f84ff17f37

[ebon flax]

like the melody from "Comes as you Are"

[twilit needle]

I keep pressing the play button

[proud totem]

competitive intelligence 8)

[twilit needle]

"Mother I declare I declare myself to be a hat stand!"

[cyan cloud]

32mins to create 33sec output. 1min per second damn kekw

[twilit needle]

I can't

[strange gorge]

Got my second generation

Man it sounds so good

[austere helm]

about the same for me

[strange gorge]

the weirdness, genre mixing

[late crown]

Do you also see songs that you didn't "like"?

[ebon flax]

my songs changed again!!! those these are way better

https://www.udio.com/songs/mi3V5kdiRDQYf68DhQXV55??

[cyan cloud]

i think they just run the generations through mastering program before the final output. i mean some of them are similar to what i have mastered from suno outputs. I guess v4 on suno could implement something like that potentially for paid subs

[proud totem]

the ones ive heard all have good sound quality but all sound very generic to their genre

[twilit needle]

What is up with that?

[proud totem]

i havent seen anyone come up with anything that has character on udio

[vale lake]

ITS CALLED ART MOM SO SHUT UP

[cyan cloud]

yea no meme songs just generic

[ebon flax]

hear it now... its like 1970s

[restive hare]

for me it seems to be an endlessly scrollable list of songs I've never even seen

[proud totem]

and everything i try to generate myself sounds really bad, like recorded in a concrete box bad

[full yarrow]

Seed control would be nice. I could experiment with the same seed to see what sort of outcomes I get from certain style tags.

[ebon flax]

no idea how this bug is even in the system lol

[late crown]

that is not what I mean.. if you click "liked songs".. it is not your liked songs. nor other liked songs

[lean prairie]

do you remember the tags used to generate this? or the link to the track on the site

[austere helm]

We're the same boat... the same concrete box boat... that sunk...

[ebon flax]

i have no problem with this, my other generations i wasnt as fond of overall, but this is good

[proud totem]

ah sorry, i havent looked at that. i dont care for those features

[ebon flax]

the amazing thing with that is how clear it is, honestly sounds "right"

[cyan cloud]

pretty solid ngl

kekw

[late crown]

"liked" songs..

[hoary wind]

Presses random buttons https://www.udio.com/songs/dr8NMfV7tZSG192vHB4n4F

[cyan cloud]

they even shadow reduced the generations that werer initially 1200 to 600 or at least tahts what it says. 600 monthly generations. unless the other 600 are not mentioned and are slow. but if 600 priority are 30mins long imagine the non priority xd

[ebon flax]

the clarity given the randomness really intrigues me with Udio. Like its all over the place... yet I can hear exactly what is happening clearly

[late crown]

For me in my own language, I keep hearing the same male voice.. I even recognize the male singer as "Stef Bos" because he has a very distinctive sound and pronunciation..

[ebon flax]

i havent listened enough to start noticing similar vocals

so thats definitely a thing

[late crown]

4 dutch songs.. and 4 same voice.. have maybe done 20 songs top and 4 in dutch 🤷‍♀️

[ebon flax]

haha maybe he's the only singer in the Dutch training data

now that I think about it a few songs have sounded like Nirvana and Pearl Jam

[late crown]

Idk.. but this is super weird

[ebon flax]

so maybe I have noticed the voice thing, i just havent listened to enough tracks

[late crown]

You can even add artist name in there

[ebon flax]

yea to have 4/4 is weird

[proud totem]

Same with Russian. If you ask for Russian ska, there's a certain iconic voice that often comes out

[late crown]

I am not trying to diss them.. I swear lol

[vale lake]

mine keep changing too

[late crown]

I had it earlier when I heard my husband try something and he said. I hear flavor flave and public enemy.

[vale lake]

this is so weird

[strange gorge]

woah yeah what

[ebon flax]

so random lol!!!!! i wonder what in the world is going on under the hood to even make that happen

[strange gorge]

mine too

[vale lake]

mmmmmmmmmmm

Ok, you win this model

[austere helm]

you people are saying like you listen to the same generation later and its changed?

[vale lake]

yea, its a weird bug

[austere helm]

thats odd

[vale lake]

Download anything you like

immediately

[ebon flax]

1970s prog or something
https://www.udio.com/songs/ietvC7Mu5L9kVhZTisi8dp

[vale lake]

Then spam refresh

(just kidding)

[strange gorge]

Why would it like, revisit the generation?

[grim idol]

I reported some extra details of the song changing bug to them, they are clearly working on it, just launch day things

[strange gorge]

It must be making a whole bunch of them they like, reviewing them somehow?

Why would it revist that prompt?

20 minutes or so later? So weird

Especially unprompted

[vale lake]

If we just had quick enough gens

for variations

[strange gorge]

[vale lake]

I get the feeling these would be spectacular

[austere helm]

Maybe thats why its taking so long to generate stuff? Its actually generating like 15 different versions and then is getting confused on which to display to the user so there's a lot of processing power getting wasted

[vale lake]

bc we're all sharing first gens

[strange gorge]

Kinda maybe feels like that?

Something along those lines, extra generational load we can't see

Otherwise I have no idea, practically, why generations would change

[lusty dawn]

i do not like that haha

[strange gorge]

Or maybe it is generating more than 33 seconds and it clips? That doesn't make much sense either

[ebon flax]

its a blessing and curse

[strange gorge]

boy I'm confused

[austere helm]

yeah its definitely weird

but, they are new, i get it, i see potential there but if im trying to make songs for my gaming playlist im sticking to suno

[cyan cloud]

https://www.udio.com/songs/17NVGh2LZtZrhKKiuiyPVL bruh 33mins+ for this kekw

[quartz ridge]

Udio gave backend errors when I tried continuing my song

[strange gorge]

heh, looking at all the staff pics and 'top tracks' is just like Suno

predictable dreck

[quartz ridge]

https://www.udio.com/songs/9RjLmArv9Eh1r7DJpEXhJc

[strange gorge]

lmao I'm such a prick

[late crown]

anyone already tried things Suno does not have.. like digeridoo and bagpipes?

[woeful sparrow]

Lol, my first creation on Udio was an instrumental and they titled it "Neon Labrynth" I was like...here we go.

[ebon flax]

im getting this now on a new song
edit: working now

[strange gorge]

https://www.udio.com/songs/dyoVuVtVs44JYhXXcA7Dqr

[strange gorge]

N E O N

[quartz ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/neon-city-asm-altered-state-machine-aifa-neon-sign-gif-24677759

[strange gorge]

I'm just trying to get it to make weird synth

haha it can do the Suno thing where it sings the prompt
https://www.udio.com/songs/gX76ZydoZnsn1ZxfipNwxy

[hoary wind]

My operatic profanity song has failed to generate multiple times and now has a moderation error

[modern dove]

udio sounds better and is free it seems.

[proud totem]

have you tried putting that into a prompt?

[woeful sparrow]

Hahaha, not just me. Long live Neon!

[strange gorge]

If I could generate consistently then yeah I might

LLMs love Neon for sure

[quartz ridge]

I bet if they stepped into they real world they’d be mad that everything wasn’t neon

[hazy gate]

ayy is udio any good?

[strange gorge]

maybe

[quartz ridge]

Pretty good

[strange gorge]

It isn't bad

It's different

[late crown]

One of the first thing I did is trying to see if it responds to songs that is too graphic.. and figure out quickly it didn't want to generate my song..

[hazy gate]

give it me straight - suno or udio

[quartz ridge]

Suno

[hazy gate]

no bias

[quartz ridge]

Oh no bias? Then udio

[strange gorge]

Suno since I'm familiar and it's quick and you can use it right now

[hazy gate]

yeah i thought suno would be better

[strange gorge]

I am compelled by udio though

[modern dove]

I am glad they have competition

[hazy gate]

did u see what paper it is using lol

[strange gorge]

I want to mess with a new thing

[hazy gate]

its 3 year old research

[hoary wind]

This is supposedly "sitar, edm" - https://www.udio.com/songs/888dxiCY9W5qh2abbKKWwu

[hazy gate]

suno is sota whilst they using some old ass stuff

[slow bronze]

I keep getting errors generating anything on udio now. frustrating.

[modern dove]

But who would pay for suno when udio is free? That is the question. And you get commercial usage on the free generations. And they give many free gens per month

Its a problem for Suno

[strange gorge]

Sounds good but WHAR SITAR

[hazy gate]

https://tenor.com/view/phew-close-one-spongebob-meme-gif-24022622

[hazy gate]

suno devs after udio releases

[hoary wind]

The percussion at the start bothers me

[vale lake]

the way it deals with tough prompts is solid

https://www.udio.com/songs/s6uPn1SHYKv9X9ZaRiCZPN

[hoary wind]

this wet sloppy hihat noise

[strange gorge]

The expiermental stuff like this is totally my jam

[modern dove]

I am guessing they are going to paywall it pretty quickly for commercial use. Right now they are just drawing people in

[late crown]

Aaah.. I give up for today.. I keeps giving me backend proccessing errors

[quartz ridge]

Not me

[modern dove]

Yes its been giving backend processing errors for me as well, they are overwhelmed

[hazy gate]

well congrats suno team - you survived another day

[slow bronze]

It sounds like this is only during their beta testing period. I imagine they will limit it to paid users when they release the final version.

[late crown]

I doesn't like me then 😭

[quartz ridge]

Another thunder outside.. and geez it’s close

[hazy gate]

anyway this new udio thing - doesnt have a 3daisy moderator so who cares

[modern dove]

So we will see what their pricing looks like.

[vale lake]

Ok, so I think the reason the lyrical gen is better

[ebon flax]

im getting that too, i tried simplifying lyrics etc... still getting it

[vale lake]

is bc its shorter

[modern dove]

That is happening to me as well

[vale lake]

but whoever said so, they're right

the LLM is a step above

[hazy gate]

it isnt tho lol

just really really isnt

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/4k2uhmqwubGMih1ZrTvS3u

[leaden beacon]

so far suno has better quality of life features, better UI, is much quicker, and seems to follow my prompts more closely. but the sound quality of udio is hard to ignore..

[strange gorge]

It depends on how it handles prompting and the interaction

[vale lake]

this is much much much much much better

[strange gorge]

[cyan cloud]

their llm is a step above cause it runs the final output through mastering. if you master the tracks on suno its pretty similar

[vale lake]

like, I'm just telling you, it straight is. I didn't make this, it was an accident

[modern dove]

better UI, really? I mean udios UI is pretty barebones as well, but atleast you can search your generations.

[strange gorge]

We'll see when I can play with it more

[vale lake]

but they nailed slacker

[hazy gate]

they use a paper from 3 years ago which was a terrible ViT based model

[strange gorge]

damn

[vale lake]

I don't care what they used

It's better

[hazy gate]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[cyan cloud]

prompt better on suno and you ll get fire here too

[vale lake]

The other one tries too hard to make things like, 5th century prose

[ebon flax]

that might be true, but the results are pretty good, the more i listen the more i'm convinced
(i'm not saying better or worse... just that it does appear to work well)

[vale lake]

lol. No response.

[hazy gate]

thats not because their model i sbetter - its because their dataset is better

[leaden beacon]

well both UIs are pretty bad, but I still prefer suno's create menu

[strange gorge]

Yeah like don't get hung up on 'stats' since that shit does not matter

[shy harness]

Mine: https://www.udio.com/songs/gWCGQeHYntSmovRbc2GZ1j

[strange gorge]

The resaerch can be from a butt and from 200 years ago, it's the results that matter

[vale lake]

For the record, I love Suno

[strange gorge]

Saying 'prompt better' is lol

[vale lake]

but there's a reason I use my own lyrics

[cyan cloud]

just go see the music on all the dubstep tracks. pretty similar

[strange gorge]

Moreover, I am subscribed to Suno

[cyan cloud]

you can prompt better on sunno tbh.

[strange gorge]

I have no dog in this race

[cyan cloud]

suno*

try generic prompts vs more advanced and you can tell the difference

[ebon flax]

does seem that way... however... its hard to tell since generating on this is so slow

its hard to get feedback

[strange gorge]

It is

[vale lake]

https://open.spotify.com/track/0OPv101bKZo59dnAORVdpV?si=9d947eac721547fc

I am indeed aware

[strange gorge]

Also we aren't uh, exactly new to Suno my guy

[cyan cloud]

ok but

[strange gorge]

It's ok if someone is swooned by a competing music LLM

[cyan cloud]

you make it look like suno wont get v4 anyway 😛

[strange gorge]

this isn't a console war thing

[vale lake]

no, it def will

[cyan cloud]

nah i am gucci anyway just saying that udio at its current state is much better is false thats all

[vale lake]

Like all things, I'll use both

[strange gorge]

Look as soon as georg gives us infilling/inpainting that's a whole different deal

[vale lake]

And I'll even mix em

cause I like it doity

[strange gorge]

You don't get to tell people their opinions are false though, cmon now you know better

[cyan cloud]

XD

[strange gorge]

We're now approaching the feature angle

[leaden beacon]

that's not it, the biggest problem with suno is the artifacts and distortion, which is not fixable with mastering. I tried using izotope's tool to fix it even and still doesn't give good results

[strange gorge]

Since yeah, the model matters less if I can inpaint

[cyan cloud]

suno has much better stuff going on at the current state. saying that udio is better atm is just plain wrong. but if you like it then yea no worries

[strange gorge]

Suno is clearly worlds ahead of udio in features and UI and ease of use, no doubt

[shy harness]

they might be further ahead in certain areas but the quality is pretty unmatched

[strange gorge]

Yolk is clearly talking about the interface of whatever is in their head and how udio reacts to the text they slap in

Strip allllllll the UI stuff away and get raw into the model interface

[ebon flax]

https://www.udio.com/songs/vNmphSKAp2NL2gzz3YZyB9

[cyan cloud]

idk i ve had fire quality on suno too. llms like to get treated better and prompted. but true the generic outputs on udio all have better quality

[strange gorge]

There is a lot to be interested in with how this other thing is handling that

[vale lake]

oh shit yall now I'm actually generating

its popping off

[strange gorge]

same

Dannnnngg man yeah Yolk I think I'm with you at the moment

[drifting topaz]

Well something is happening

[strange gorge]

It seems to be in tune to what I'm asking

[shy harness]

Love this added it to my subreddit 🙂

[drifting topaz]

Just spinning here

[quartz ridge]

Mine is still genning

[austere helm]

my whole udio is a black screen -_-

oh there it goes

[lusty dawn]

100 monthlies is pretty good

[vale lake]

It's been growing way more than I expected

[lusty dawn]

i need to hurry up and get stuff up haha

[vale lake]

I kept thinking it would stop but it doubles every two days. But Idk!

[quartz ridge]

fun fact I am the first person to mention the word WAQF on this server

[vale lake]

No rush! Honestly, better to make it good, I just happen to have spent a LOT of time on generative AI broadly, and also lyrics. If I was working from scratch? No freaking way I could have pumped these out that fast.

And maintained quality of any kind

aight yall, I gotta go finish some work crap, my gen is stalled anyway

I'll be back bc this is just too fun, want to see what yall make

https://www.udio.com/songs/skEnkk1wkp78UKLoBkqnem
It just deals so well with weird stuf

[austere helm]

oh yeah i suck at lyrics

[cyan fox]

Anyone's udio working? Mines been trying to generate a track for 3 hours now 🥲😂

[drifting topaz]

Maybe it's a super complex track? 😄

[unborn bane]

yeah the gens don't finish for me either

[cyan fox]

😭😭

[unborn bane]

but from what I'm hearing, Suno can close down now.

there's no way they're gonna catch up to this

[drifting topaz]

I just had a track completed. It was crap though. Not due to Udio in itself, just bad RNG

[stiff pecan]

i dont know how udio works i put in my lyrics but somehow it starts somehwere else xD

[drifting topaz]

You should try with lyrics instead /s

😄

It bothers me that I can't name my songs in Udio

[stiff pecan]

you can change the title

[late crown]

yeah you can.. click it open and then choose edit

[maiden hornet]

I don't think that's how competition works

They made a huge thing from nothing, nothing keeps them from making it huger

[hoary wind]

It made this way creepier than Suno did

[drifting topaz]

Also, the competition is sloooow 🙂

[vestal moon]

I'd be surprised if v4 isn't better, it already seems better in many ways

[late crown]

lol... Nah.. it's good to have competition.. they sound good but also still see a lot of problems too,
And.. Udio songs are copyrighted to Udio.

[drifting topaz]

I've always said that Suno is 80% "there", and I really can't say if Udio is more "there" yet.

[vestal moon]

Udio has audio quality and better adherence to some genres but it isn't a consistent improvement musically

[twilit needle]

Udio only beats Suno in spoken voice for stand up comedy

as far as I've seen

[vale lake]

not mine but HOLY CRAP
https://www.udio.com/songs/gajKkTvivm1nJx6oNQjFk1

[vestal moon]

Let alone enough improvement to say Suno could never compete with it, that's just nonsense

[late crown]

Behold and listen to my BAGPIPES.. https://www.udio.com/songs/vfHrYsBcjemFqewCh3KjHa

[vale lake]

That is genuinely amazing

[west hull]

dammit i was so excited

LOL

[ebon flax]

haha those bagpipes totally sound like violins

[west hull]

i thought you finally did it

[hoary wind]

So it doesn't do sitar, bagpipes, music box or vocaloid it seems

[twilit needle]

That's a violin???

[late crown]

YEAH 😄

[twilit needle]

lol what happened

[late crown]

The Udio model doesn't know bagpipes either.. (just like Suno)

[twilit needle]

ouch

[quartz ridge]

my clips have been genning for 13 mins..

udio

[vestal moon]

I have gotten Suno to do sitar so that's possible

[late crown]

Digeridoo is next up my list..

[ebon flax]

nice one!

[hoary wind]

I seem to have lost this and it's been replaced with a different generation now

[austere helm]

For some reason i just feel like the vocals soudn disassociated from the music https://www.udio.com/songs/oEdAssEymrdh4v2xuzr769

[vestal moon]

Whoever can do throat singing will win the generator war

[ebon flax]

you're still wanting to get these Helldiver lyrics in a track (its a game?)

[austere helm]

Yeah its a video game

I've done a few full songs with suno

[ebon flax]

i think cause theyre AI lyrics it can lead it to be more generic, you know what you're saying about the vocals being disassociated from the music
the track itself has a pretty cool sound regardless

[austere helm]

https://suno.com/playlist/35e66b5c-e9a9-4774-933e-4bdb6a0aa989

is that playlist viewable? i didnt know if only i could see it

[ebon flax]

listening now 🎧

[grim idol]

Bark still wins here, it can be just as creepy sonically but even do it when prompted with just normal lyrics. the call is coming from inside the model! #🐶┃bark-showcase message

[austere helm]

Note that the Malevelon Creek song is not the final version, i edited some spoken words from the game over that long instrumental part at the end, but cant really do that with suno, i dont have the mp3 file on my at work currently but its these words https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PfICvgHvqE4?app=desktop

[late crown]

Yeah what to say without coming off biased.. 😬 I hear it too

[proud totem]

https://suno.com/song/0aa15ce9-4e5b-4158-842d-8b01707e2529

cant get the epic amazing grace sound though

[last coral]

what program are you talking about that gives you replicas of Mars etc?

[late crown]

I tried it many times but wouldn't do that for me!

[fathom aspen]

Wow that's good. The devs are ready for the challenge tho 😈

[late crown]

but to be fair.. it is not fully bagpipe.. but close

[proud totem]

yeah its distorted and not quite there

and sounds a lot like strings

[hazy gate]

does this mean the devs are gonna retrain their model?

[west hull]

Made this on Udio

[late crown]

Yeah Suno embraces the competition.. Which is the best approach

[west hull]

Thoughts?

[ebon flax]

the tracks are nice!!! you should try writing lyrics without AI, though the AI ones still work well, I think you'll get even better results if you write them yourself

[hazy gate]

muddy and kinda blurred almost

almost as if the singer is mumbling

[west hull]

yeah it was in cursive for a bit

[hazy gate]

its like its singing into a cup almost

like no definition in the voice

[ebon flax]

oh wait was this in response to Udio or bagpipes 🤣??

i thought it was in response to Udio and that got me really excited 🔥

[fathom aspen]

It is 🤣

[ebon flax]

awesome!!!

[west hull]

yeah in one of the udio leaks they said "I can't believe we nerfed the suno"

[fathom aspen]

Let's see what they can do

[hazy gate]

its kinda shit lol

ngl suno is bad but udio isnt that much better

[west hull]

I personally like both

[hazy gate]

(bad compared to real music - mind you!)

[ebon flax]

real music 😮

you mean...

this isn't real 😆

jks jks, i know what you mean

but some AI music is very good

[hazy gate]

its incredible considering it took a minute to gen

and a random joe just threw some words into a text box

[west hull]

I like the no definition it sounds kind of like you forgot the lyrics but it's good from my ear

[hazy gate]

yeaa

[ebon flax]

if you compare any random single generation to real music, sure, but if you compare multiple generations and continuations etc you can get pretty good AI stuff

[west hull]

yeah

[hazy gate]

maybe but there is papers ive seen that are on par with real music

[west hull]

AI music makes mistakes but you can always make your little tweaks in a DAW

and you can make your own lyrics

[ebon flax]

this is good!!! voice is super expressive haha

[west hull]

It sounds like Mitski

[late crown]

So I just tried "digeridoo" with "instrumental"
https://www.udio.com/songs/hgQEYGngeF7FbaB3vFg7Fo

[ebon flax]

(i think if you listen carefully there is one in the background)

[strange gorge]

I had to step away, but how does it handle multiple generations?

[west hull]

may be one of the last times i mention it but if you haven't checked out RIPX for breaking into stems and repairing each stem, you are missing out

[strange gorge]

How does it fall apart?

[late crown]

Suuuure.. 😹

[ebon flax]

even without the didgeridoo its an awesome sounding generation

[late crown]

Reminds me of 70s

😮 .. gonna try some scat

[west hull]

scoobity boo bop

[late crown]

Like this one https://app.suno.ai/song/423d3dea-7a36-4621-a3b2-ff92edc066d4

[toxic root]

I can't find it anymore but I saw some mongolian throat singing on Udio

So it can definitely do it

[west hull]

make it tibetan throat singing and im sold

LOL

Udio can master almost every style.

Suno masters every style tho

it doesn't even know a bunch of styles

So, it's like 50/50 for me.

there is a crap ton of instruments and genres it's clueless about still

[late crown]

lol.. Not really.. but neither can suno

[glad finch]

Pretty sure suno doesn't understand "Eurobeat"

[west hull]

yeah

doesn't understand krush either

i put eurobeat in the prompt and it made slapping sounds

or jersey club

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/spank-tomandjerry-tom-puppy-gif-17440974692614857284

slapping ^^

[glad finch]

Eurobeat is fairly electronic music in the 132-170 bmp range with little to no bass or drums, with fairly particular melodies

Based on italo disco from the 80s

[west hull]

[glad finch]

Hell it took me forever to get proper synthwave on Suno

[west hull]

guess they took the euro and put parent and made a live audio of a somebody getting slapped by their parent

[glad finch]

Suno does darksynth far better than synthwave though

[west hull]

LOL

[west hull]

yeah and not that good with spoken word either

or with like cuphead boss battle music either

[glad finch]

Well theres a lot of voices ending up in a choir during songs, its fine for me since I make gospel, but not always ideal

[late crown]

https://tenor.com/view/unamused-cat-over-it-stare-gif-24082091

me waiting for the next song to generate on Udio

[west hull]

mine is going on 13 minutes

[glad finch]

Yeah 15 minutes per gen is a little long

[late crown]

I had one 17 minutes

[west hull]

worth the wait for me tho !!

still love sharing my best attempt at decent voice for comedy
https://suno.com/song/a27cde81-9da7-467f-bf1d-410473553567

[glad finch]

15 minutes to generate a 32 second segment, you don't even know if its good, and you want a 3 minute song, do the math

[west hull]

it's like a full 3 minute set

[late crown]

I am trying things that Suno don't have.. to find out they haven't either.. so worh it.. No.. but good knowledge

[west hull]

the end will make you laugh if you laugh at stupid sounds lol

[vale lake]

https://suno.com/song/7f252556-9276-453b-98e9-52e3d604f36c

would you believe I lost a regular suno gen

and just found it

Ima see what it looks like in Udio

I think I vaguely remember now that this one needs a better end

[vale lake]

I like this

its rich

[fathom aspen]

https://www.udio.com/songs/isCi9usUAcMYqZoYD5KBUG finished my first udio test song. This is country bluegrass.

[glad finch]

How many days did that take?

[toxic root]

That's actually really good

Sounds really clean to me

[glad finch]

Nice song, would believe

I have noticed the music off suno sounds kinda tiny in my car and on my bluetooth speaker, gonna have to learn to master that shit

Well you know what they say, competition is good for business

[fathom aspen]

Yup

[glad finch]

Welp if Udio ever gets some faster gen I'd love to see about the actual quality of the finished product

For now suno has my business, because it actually works

[toxic root]

It's their first day, their servers are loaded. It makes sense that their gens are slower

Kinda rhymed

[late crown]

that might be.. but it did not deliver me digeridoo pouts

[full yarrow]

https://suno.com/song/5fe0eb5f-6ccb-42af-82c8-0e6520121b19

[glad finch]

I prompted 3 times, and got what I prompted for essentially zero times

No celtic, no synthwave, no, lute, no cello, not upbeat

[vale lake]

welp

its frozen

[glad finch]

The only thing I got is weird music that doesn't fix with my lyrics being sung

The vocals are great though, but they're not what I'm asking for

[vale lake]

So basically I got this (which some of you already heard)
https://www.udio.com/songs/fVYxjxinShhUgkrjg9dPXe

And then this

https://www.udio.com/songs/9qd2U2pKteWxGhtxBW8cgB

But its not what I want

problem is at this pace, its impossible to explore

the space

[glad finch]

Udio seem to throw out good quality stuff, just not what I'm asking for at all

[vale lake]

and figure out its "language"

[vale lake]

Nothing really ever gives what you ask for, you have to kind of figure out its own connections

[glad finch]

If I ask suno for celtic, I get celtic. If I ask for lute, I get lute. Same with cello

[proud totem]

it knows you're not aboriginal 😆

[late crown]

waiting. waiting

[full yarrow]

It's probably selecting from a small list of identified trainings with that information, so you'll likely need a solid genre before you start specifying extra weights

[cyan cloud]

25m oof

[full yarrow]

refresh the page

[cyan cloud]

you would have expected they would have pushed an update by now

[vale lake]

RIP

I'll try again tomorrow

[glad finch]

Well Udio has "eurobeat" as a tag

Lets give this a shot, see if it can make better eurobeat gospel

[grim idol]

I think i mentioned this, but while your waiting for udio samples, the super long "udio optimized" tag lists work pretty well as Suno style prompts. a lot of really chunky varied words, probably more than most users tend to use.

[glad finch]

Udio optimized?

[full yarrow]

Where?

[minor ingot]

Looking forward to Suno v4, because Udio is spanking Sunos butt right now

[grim idol]

On some pages it's just the very long list displayed on screen but on some other pages the list is in the metadata as "optimized prompt", not sure why they are different. But for example the "song like the beatles" tag list was "Male vocalist, Merseybeat, Pop rock, Beat music, Rock, Rock & roll, British rhythm & blues, Love, Melodic, Romantic, Energetic, Happy, Bittersweet, Uplifting, Playful, Longing, Warm, British invasion," as the actual Udio tags