🗣️┃chill-chat

[jade locust]

udios logo's match up + some ui got leaked from their website

[hazy gate]

i mean if ai music just comes down to predicting a VQVAE its going be so boring

[jade locust]

found on their domain under tutorial-page-2.png

[hazy gate]

ay nice

anything else? like ok ive generated a song then what

because if its just going to be a suno clone then lol suno wins

[hazy gate]

btw mods if it aint cool to share this stuff just lemme know

[true minnow]

How do you view liked songs that aren't on the trending or new pages anymore

[late crown]

you don't if you haven't saved them yourself in a playlist. You could look in search her on discord if someone has posted here

They are working in a better experience

[true minnow]

Got it. Thank you

[exotic mountain]

help what is this?

[late crown]

Your issue seems to be with the content of the lyrics being flagged by ChatGPT's moderation system, which acts as a gatekeeper to ensure content appropriateness. Graphic or explicit lyrics can trigger these filters. A practical solution is to paste the lyrics into a ChatGPT session and ask why they are flagged for moderation. This way, you can pinpoint specific lines or words causing the issue and modify them accordingly.

[burnt trail]

they got a whole tiktok thing going in gen can i ask my question here?

I'm just gonna ask, if its against the rules I'm sorry,

So I had written the lyrics for the song and spliced them together to make it longer. it sound fine but I wanted to try a different kind of voice. Is there a way to do that with a 3min song or do I need to start from the beginning with a different voice and then combine them together?

[late crown]

yes if you want a different voice you have to start again. But keep in mind, you overall sound will change too. The song will be different

[burnt trail]

Yeah I understand the sound will be different. I've never written a song before so I didnt really have a melody in mind I just wanted to hear some other ways suno would sing my song. it just was hard getting the three parts to flow well or even have suno read all of the words. but thank you :) I appreciate you answering.

[misty kernel]

hi Jim

[tropic pasture]

Buckle Up! We’re heading up to the stars: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgYvS5TKYs

[late plover]

Are there any plans for a TTS API? I'd love using Suno (Bark) for more than just music!

[plain igloo]

How do i get it to generate korean insturmental? I dont think its possible

[runic depot]

guys

Jonathan Young released an original Helldivers song

[late bramble]

bro did 4 rails and smoked 2 grams of meth before taking this picture

hahah, jokes but fr tho great scenery hope you had fun

[fresh latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciyEsZpzbM8

[placid sedge]

hewo

is someone on

?

[rancid river]

where is chrip?

[vernal idol]

@short barn This is My longest track

[fallow nova]

Just uploaded a new music video. Please give it a try 🙏 , it's really good 🥹
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tT6M_PnM1I

[subtle frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u0B3RY4RSg

[buoyant dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnlmpICdDT8

[haughty otter]

I saw this yesterday. I didn't think either sample was any better than Suno. But I would have to hear genres I like because I'm not into either of those they displayed. Easy of use is very important and there is no demo of an interface or how you would use it. Seems like hype. And these days, if I didn't see something happen right in front of my own eyes, I assume it didn't happen.

[fathom aspen]

The lyrics lmao 🤣

[prime bronze]

first check at off topic and seems less off topicy than general :p

came to see if there was any noice about the mysterious udio and was not dissapointed

[jade locust]

btw what is the best free ai stem splitter?

the more stems the better tbh :)

[prime bronze]

man it does feel like being a kid again watching WWF. you have The Rock holding the belt, but then you have Stone Cold and Triple H and Undertaker all coming for it. this time its just all these crazy music ais

[jade locust]

https://twitter.com/udiomusic/status/1777805717954543779

udio (@udiomusic) on X

mic check

one two

is this thing on?

Twitter · Apr 9, 2024, 9:08 PM

ye they trolling wtf is this 😭

[late crown]

Well.. good for them 🤷‍♀️

[prime bronze]

it will be good for suno too, to actually have a good competitor to ease the server loads

and it can't be cheap to be burning through all the gpu power

ai shared is cheaper ai

[cyan cloud]

by posting troll posts on twitter for sure it will be nice

or not

[prime bronze]

it's guerilla marketing 101

the sound clips were good, some of them

suno level? god knows

[cyan cloud]

nah you are an up and coming ai that supposedly wanna take out the monopoly. You gotta be crucial and profesional

they are not even ad campaigning much their stuff. Only one youtube channel so far had a preview

[prime bronze]

only thing you need to be is better

create hype and suck, you die

create hype and be better, you take out the monopoly

[cyan cloud]

well apparently so far they only posted a few samples without workflow. could just be a scam 😄 especially with how their beta access from their site says to contact refferer when there are no referers to get in

no email no nothing

[prime bronze]

and yet we are talking about mysterious udio and not sonauto

[cyan cloud]

its not mysterious 😄

its just not planned correctly 😉

[prime bronze]

i disagree. its planned to perfection. now they just need to deliver

[cyan cloud]

cant even go back to general site

planned to what do they even have a discord

cause apparently there is beta

since you can sign up haha

[prime bronze]

like i said, its basic guerilla marketing 101 for hype

[cyan cloud]

gl then xD what hype tho literally all the people are now using suno. Even the comments on that muted clip are stacking up to bad review

but we ll see i guess

[uneven holly]

i dont think they were deliberate leaks at all, one namedrops a podcast, one was a remake of a sonauto tune

[prime bronze]

the Suno diss track was nice touch

[uneven holly]

if its anything like suno it can do far better than what we heard

[prime bronze]

that one was clever af

they know what audience they are coming after

[uneven holly]

conspiracy nut in me thinks suno may become udio, it could be v4 but with a lot more money thrown at the training run. the UI is pretty similar with all the same options

and carrying over a large userbase is a nice option if yo have massive silicon valley $$ to throw at a startup

[prime bronze]

mmh..don't know, but eventually Nvidia could M&A Suno and use their ungodly tech to make v6

[hoary wind]

I think it's good for there to be competition.
Suno could do with a little lighter usage 😄

[prime bronze]

unlimited money and gpu power, and letting the suno researchers just do what they want no holds barred

that would be summin'

[torpid comet]

https://app.suno.ai/song/50047cba-4d7b-4588-a133-9d1734b45546/

If anyone get's the reference lol

That one alan jackson song

[vale lake]

since nothings going on

who wants some art?

[fathom aspen]

Sure

[fathom aspen]

Damn. That terrifies me

[vale lake]

I have so many of these lol, it's ridiculous atm. I've been doing so much suno though that I haven't updated my LoRas in a few weeks

Lotta backrooms. Stark. Face blind type studies.

[hoary wind]

I don't think this is a place to be shilling cryptocurrency

[final shale]

現在、インフラストラクチャをアップグレードしているため、曲の作成は無効になっています。お気に入りの曲を今でも聴くことができます。
↑これは何？

sunoai使えなくなってしまっているのだけど、ほっとけばいいのかなぁ？

[late crown]

English please?

[glad lantern]

Someone knows API for suno.ai?

[hoary wind]

Suno does not currently offer an API

[final shale]

Song creation is currently disabled as we upgrade our infrastructure. You can still listen to your favorite songs.
↑What is this?
I can no longer use sunoai, but should I just leave it alone?

[hoary wind]

You can't generate songs at the moment because they are upgrading things. But you can listen to songs that already have been created.

[sly hornet]

for how long

._.

[final shale]

Does that mean it's under maintenance? disappointing.
Thank you for letting me know

[hoary wind]

I have no idea how long it will take. It's very popular lately. Hopefully when they have finished upgrading it will be better/faster.

[fathom aspen]

If you are bored play mini golf with me #🐣┃chirp-beta-1 message

[untold oriole]

is the website down

?

[frail root]

you re talking about suno right?

[late crown]

They are moving the database which will take a few hours. For more info see: #💬┃general-chat message

[frail root]

@late crown I try like 7 hours ago and i had error

im trying now and same think

[late crown]

No.. check this: #💬┃general-chat message

They are moving databases

[frail root]

thanks i saw that rn

[lilac trellis]

@grim kelp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t61ZJuKPUoI

[grim kelp]

i see

[lilac trellis]

it's a really boring video.. but there you go! 😅

[tropic pasture]

This song is dedicated to my fans - you all gave me the confidence to experiment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkLtFNXBqt8

[hoary ridge]

Can I post tinks here

Links

Lol

But nvm

I see that I can

Song dedicated to everyone rattled by quiet on set

https://youtu.be/cdNwm_NqrW4?si=ynBPHPpj4wtmDaRD

[west hull]

do we have any linux admin boys? I have OpenShift questions

[spare trellis]

Hay, would someone from the Team be able to message me? I have a question.

[knotty gate]

how do we downlaod our song in higer quality instead of the 192kbps mp3 ?

[strange badge]

is udio real guys

[hazy gate]

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2103.03841.pdf

yes it uses this paper

u know suno devs u can always just hire me idk

its suno's architecture except they swap the encodec representation for this DCTransformer thing

meaning u the error in the VQ is no longer an issue (but its patented so glhf)

[dry sluice]

You know a lot, don't you 😮

[hazy gate]

study up dude

[smoky token]

All chirps down right now?

[unborn bane]

this is the best guy ever https://www.tiktok.com/@musicsounddesign/video/7352434378078817569?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

[grim idol]

I like that the udio style prompts are mega long, totally my style 'Americana, Contemporary Folk, Alt-Country, Progressive Bluegrass, melancholic, melodic, acoustic, pastoral, mellow, introspective, warm, calm, autumn, violin, instrumental' 👍

[fathom aspen]

you seen the leaks?

[grim idol]

I created an account (just signed up the other day) and I can click around the UI, and on songs that are linked on a particular page, just not generate anything or any other pages or menus, so seems like it must be close. Just signed up with a normal account, no invite or anything special.

[fathom aspen]

same lol.

[spare trellis]

Has anyone used the paid for version of Suno? If so, what's it like?

[prime bronze]

Yeah. It's good to have 2500 credits monthly and to publish my songs to spotify

It gets addictive to generate

[spare trellis]

Is it safe? Just want to make sure.

[prime bronze]

Safe? What do you mean

[spare trellis]

Like. Is my bank account going to get hacked?

[prime bronze]

I use credit card and annual payment so i'm safe at least

[spare trellis]

Okay. Well that has put my mind at ease, thank you stranger.

[west hull]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUKUMstlECU1Q4QxpLiT6sLRZd9Zdd11-&si=1Bk2X8pxOMGw-3dC
I have released a AI SONG ALBUM on YouTube!

[molten quarry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9LZlDhsH4M

[velvet halo]

is anyone good with tiktok laws here?

i heard tiktok aint paying good or no money at all if you don't use any sort of face in your video

i wanted to use sona to make funny text to speech videos with minecraft jump and run gameplay in the background for example

would i still get monetized for that?

[finite bridge]

This music video blew my mind!

Totally made with AI 😱

Lyrics: Claude Opus
Music: Suno AI
Visuals: Stable Diffusion SDXL
Image to Video Animation: Stable Video Diffusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbWfunaIVmU

[uneven horizon]

@finite bridge hey can u guide how to generate 16:9 image to motion

[patent mantle]

https://suno.com/song/d0e76139-99ce-41bd-8e3e-c3a90a6184ee
When Israel was in Egypt land... 🎶
Oppressed so hard they could not stand... 🎶

[west hull]

Ye!

Rip suno

[grim idol]

The style prompt so much like one of mine (massive repetition SPAM style) I did a double take https://www.udio.com/songs/3EXWGsFbJ7HPAw7QH8bTLK

[manic pendant]

https://suno.com/song/64acc691-0f8b-470f-b848-e4217ff84ccb

[finite bridge]

Yeah I used a huggingface model. Here is the link: https://huggingface.co/spaces/multimodalart/stable-video-diffusion

It sometimes have a long queue but definitely worth the wait.

[narrow furnace]

Too bad it's completely dead atm 😦

[uneven horizon]

Can i use that video generated from this on youtube and Instagram for earning?

[grim idol]

The two things I am most curious to test on udio, if anyone happens to be online later when it's working:

1. Generating backwards in time (adding a segment or intro before an existing clip)
2. The remix option which has a slider for 'how similar' the song should be. Just seeing one clip and one remix of it, at least. Ideally something with a strong melody that should be the same in the remix maybe.

[west hull]

Ye the servers are overloaded. People are hyped

[finite bridge]

It does say that it's for non-commercial usecase so 😉

[narrow furnace]

I really hope it's worth the hype.

[west hull]

I managed to make a few songs and so far they sound better than suno v3 by a good amount

Im still half asleep lol

[hoary wind]

A music-generating AI with server load issues? Unheard of! 😄

I'm trying to sign up but "an error occurred" so I can't at the moment. Will be interesting to compare, though tbh I don't think it's going to be a case of "RIP Suno".

[west hull]

Nah suno will always have its fans.

[hoary wind]

That's for the beta period.
Alright I'm in. First impression: UI is pretty intuitive, especiallly with suggested tags.

[west hull]

Songs I made so far in udio. May make extended versions later but the servers are too overloaded right now

[narrow furnace]

I finally managed to create a few songs in udio. It's really good tbh.

[hoary wind]

Tried a handful of songs now. Audio quality is good. Can tell it's mp3 still (surprisingly watery for 320kbps) but otherwise is pretty clean. It rushed some lyrics and then hallucinated at the end. But overall it's quite impressive.

[vale lake]

dude, the voices are.... amazing

Holy crap

these are literally indistinguishable

from regular songs

[hoary wind]

Briefly scanning the terms, looks like it's noncommercial/attribution use at the moment, so same as free Suno tier

[narrow furnace]

I hope price won't be insanely high because I really like the quality.

[hoary wind]

I asked it for "rubber chickens, EDM" as I like to try weird things. It gave me a really nice dubstep-like song. No chickens. Except in the picture.

[austere tree]

Damu Udio seems nice, what do you really like in it so far ?

[grim idol]

Standard udio workflow seems to be:

1. start from the middle of a song, gen 30 seconds
2. generate next 30 seconds,
3. generate the intro backwards/infilled/whatever from the first clip
   = 1:30 song.

[dim lynx]

i think udio went live

cause i have access

[hybrid thicket]

Udio is a huge leap. listening to the results in headphones, everything sounds clear/mixed/mastered properly. WTF

[austere tree]

So meaning for Lyrics it's better to start at not first verse and then add a verse prior ?

[grim idol]

I'm just skimming other people's comments and samples (not generating for me) but seems to be standard way yea

[narrow furnace]

Oh yes. With udio I managed to achieve in my first try that I couldn't do in many many tries with suno.

[scarlet osprey]

im using it too, wtf elon is going in parallel universe

[austere tree]

It seems very interesting

When you extend it's very hot that you can choose where you extend, i am sure Suno will come with something like that

[hybrid thicket]

Suno I never 'recognized' any of the vocalists... my first two generations with Udio sounded like The beatles, and another is basically Elvis

[dry creek]

starting my tests with Udio now

[grim idol]

I find it curious you can extend backwards in time, but not do full inpainting. So it doing something more simple that full inpainting? Or could simple be that generating between two clips arbitrarily was finicky and couldn't get it working right

[austere tree]

There is probably lot of people on it now, it take forever to generate

[dry creek]

says to do lyrics that fit 30 seconds... does it only do 30 second generations?

[hybrid thicket]

~yes 30 seconds at a time~ seems to be 33 seconds at a time

[dry creek]

Suno wins

ez game

[austere tree]

If you put too many lyrics it will deliver pretty fast

[hoary wind]

The general UI layout and usability is nice.

[dry creek]

i put a whole song so im excited to hear how fast it goes LMAO

[hoary wind]

Looks like it. I put a load of lyrics in and it rushed the lyrics then hallucinated lol

Song art is nice too

[dry creek]

vocal quality is nice

[grim idol]

for sure udio did not solve hallucination but I don't think anyone expected them to (though you could probably brute force it by checking and regenerating if it wasn't so expensive to do that)

[austere tree]

when you put citation i like the way they do it

[scarlet osprey]

there is not the reverb you can hear on suno, the echo when the song is slow ( i can't explain)

[dry creek]

hopefully Suno gets clearer vocals like this

i generally only use the vocal track anyway

[hoary wind]

Should join their discord to wait for the chaos of the service being overloaded heh

[dry creek]

idk if i can handle another discord.... lmao

man 30 seconds is just.... not good

[narrow furnace]

I guess paid plans will fix this issue 😄

[hoary wind]

I'm not sure. It could be enough to get a feel for what a song will sound like.

[dry creek]

im making a song about 30 seconds not being long enough

[scarlet osprey]

with manual mode is 30 sec?

[dry creek]

lets get it on trending LMAO

oh man they didnt let me make it

[austere tree]

Can gernerate i thin it's overloaded lol

[dry creek]

i think in general

[narrow furnace]

No need, it's already kinda dead 😄

[vernal haven]

udio is so slow

suno bettuhhh

🗣️

[scarlet osprey]

ok, it says to me 5 min. lets wait

[dry creek]

maybe 5 mins after extending

like longest it can do is 5?

[vernal haven]

@dry creek bro udio is so slow

[grim idol]

they launched one hour ago and have free trial accounts, pretty impressive anyone can generate at all already, must be a huge rush

[dim lynx]

the voice on udio is better but anything else suno is better at

[vernal haven]

lemme see mine are generating

wait

[hoary wind]

It generated a nice instrumental for me but I'll do some further testing later. Had some interesting parts to it.

[scarlet osprey]

i put lyrics in manual mode ad said 5 min, im listening the other sogns and are good

[austere tree]

I think it went BOOM lol

[vernal haven]

wah

[dim lynx]

it just came out today

[scarlet osprey]

7 minute still generating in manual mode, with not manual mode it generates in less time

[high compass]

well ... Udio has trouble serving their site

[vernal haven]

oh hmm

[amber matrix]

created several songs, still not convinced

[vernal haven]

💀 send

[high compass]

at least in their meltdown apology HTTP-500 clip they have a similar choir problem as Suno

[amber matrix]

suno's ability to continue from a timestamp is great. I don't see it on udio, you guys have any idea?

[grim idol]

This is a feature Suno should copy (server error message is a song)

[hoary wind]

Oh that's a good point. Chalk that one up as a Suno positive

[scarlet osprey]

finished to me, it cames so scary

[vernal haven]

(:

[lunar elbow]

Udio is generating at turtle speeds. 🤣 🐢 Edit: Oh wait I got something after 4 mins

[vernal haven]

waited 10 mins or sum

[late crown]

Did anybody read their tos...? You are not allowed to release songs. It is property of Udio

[vernal haven]

bru hwtf

shit udio

[amber matrix]

alright, my impression for the first batch of results is not great. gonna try one of my best song created with suno and see how udio replicate it

[vernal haven]

udio bot

[analog summit]

why

[vernal haven]

.

[scarlet osprey]

so for the manual you need to put the music genres where you usually write "a song about"

[hybrid thicket]

listening in headphones the mixing is f'ing amazing. this is how you'd actually mix a song. crazy that it's generated

[vernal haven]

damn

[scarlet osprey]

ahhah shi.... i put the song description there, thats why it comes a mess hahaha

[vernal haven]

but the songs propperty of udio 🤓 like why bro

[late crown]

Yeah.. I am not kidding you

[scarlet osprey]

it's like suno politics?

[vernal haven]

why am i supposed to waste my time genrating this if its udios property

😭

[scarlet osprey]

it's property of Elon 🌚

[late crown]

I don't know.. 🤷‍♀️

[dry creek]

yeah this is my main reason for just sticking with Suno

[vernal haven]

Elon dusk

[late crown]

Right?

[dry creek]

Udio is cool but 30 second generations and I dont own the songs, pretty lame. im sure paid plans will include rights but for now we cant even do that

besides i still have 3 free months of Suno to use up LMAO

[vernal haven]

are there any other sites like this ?

[scarlet osprey]

wow i am writing a neapolitan song and it's really good, better than suno for this

[austere tree]

Yeah you ''own'' but even if someone take something you did with Suno good luck with the i own it. Good luck and money spent with advocate.

[late crown]

I just read the tos.. it says this: Uncharted Labs retains the rights over the technology and the content generated by their services. Users of Uncharted Labs are granted a limited license to use the generated content, but they do not acquire ownership rights over the music or other content created through Uncharted Labs' services. Essentially, this means that while you are allowed to use the generated content under certain conditions, the ultimate copyright of that content remains with Uncharted Labs.

[dry creek]

i split stems and write my own music so i DEFINITELY own my songs

[vernal haven]

............

[dry creek]

and can prove it with the original DAW files i have

[civic kestrel]

It did create synthwave without reverb and ethereal fuzz noise, but 30 sec gens and no commercial ownership is meh

[late crown]

You will think so.. but I cannot find it in the tos.. will read it again

[austere tree]

yeah probably you can prove it but lot of money to spend $$ i hope you make great money with your IA songs

[dry creek]

so basically at any point they can just say "Hey all this music is actually ours" and just strike it?

[hybrid thicket]

hilarious. complaining about 30 second generations & not owning songs? write your own / learn how to produce your own 🤷‍♂️ put in some effort.

[civic kestrel]

He does produce his own 😂

[dry creek]

read the chat a little more my guy, i do write my own

nice try tho

[civic kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-dodge-neo-gif-13288848

[plain flax]

oop, udio took a shit lol

[dry creek]

my distributor helps with that stuff so i dont need to worry

[plain flax]

sounds good so far though

[civic kestrel]

For some reason I think Udio also uses Chatgpt

[late crown]

You know it's hilarious you did not read the rules here.. show some respect to our user here..

[dim lynx]

suno also uses chat gpt

[amber matrix]

well, not being able to own the songs sucks man

[prime bronze]

Yea udio is down

[civic kestrel]

I know, hence why I wrote "also"

[amber matrix]

suno ftw

[dry creek]

dude came in looking for a fight and picked the one person he would LOSE AGAINST

[polar snow]

Its not only chatgpt but also gemini has that damn neo thing

[civic kestrel]

Ooh

[dim lynx]

the devs are funny at udio they made a song called the site is down

[polar snow]

AI just loves neon and 80's vibe lol

[vernal haven]

afcource it does bro

[late crown]

If you've written lyrics and used Uncharted Labs' services to generate music for them, the copyright ownership is split between your original lyrics and the generated music. Your lyrics remain your intellectual property, giving you rights to use and share them. However, the rights to the music generated by Uncharted Labs are dictated by their Terms of Service, which may include restrictions on commercial use or distribution. For the complete song combining your lyrics and their music, you need to consider both your rights to the lyrics and the terms governing the use of the generated music.

[austere tree]

Ok, i am with Distrokid, i published a song i made with SUno but someone also uploaded it. You think they will help me ?

[civic kestrel]

Cant blame em 😎

[scarlet osprey]

pls listen this voice, it's look so real and is on neopolitan language

[polar snow]

I love 80s and 90s!

[civic kestrel]

80s synthwave with some sax in it... mmmmmmm

[vernal haven]

https://www.udio.com/songs/pkBd1dvdmtGXbocM8hmptu

wut da HELLLLLLL

😭

[vernal haven]

atleast the covers better

[civic kestrel]

Hopefully this competition will be good for us end users

[vernal haven]

ig

[vernal haven]

ye we should own our songs

[austere tree]

Anyway Udio is cool but i don't see what Suno can't achieve.

[lone prairie]

indeed

[polar snow]

how long does it to generate song in Udio?

[late crown]

What good is it if you don't own the songs? They keep the copyright

[civic kestrel]

Yeah that ofc needs to change

[hoary wind]

This is what I spotted on my brief skim of the ToS

[civic kestrel]

Very long, and their servers seem tired

[dry creek]

Sunos copyright stuff is way better rn

[vernal haven]

imagine they sue us bro ):

[civic kestrel]

rip

[polar snow]

lol they just recently open their service

[late crown]

#🗣️┃chill-chat message

[civic kestrel]

Yeap

[scarlet osprey]

man i want extend this, but idk how hahah

[dry creek]

my guy you cant just keep calling people that

[polar snow]

I like their website design

and covers

[scarlet osprey]

wooow you can add intro after generating

[dry creek]

thats the second time youve done that in the last like 30 mins

[civic kestrel]

@polar snowbut if a competitor can make synthwave without the noise issues that Suno has and they lose customers because of that, maybe they will hurry to fix that

[dry creek]

and its gone lmao

[vernal haven]

whos tos suno or udio

[polar snow]

and that 80's pink color hahaha xD

[plain flax]

udio

[late crown]

Next time click the LINK before judging...????

[hoary wind]

Well... It looks like it'll be fun for just generating music for our own entertainment if nothing else. I can steal ideas from it. I mean.... Learn from it

[vernal haven]

srry hehe

[dry creek]

yeah its good for messing around but Suno seems like its better for people that actually want to release the music

[hoary wind]

Ah sorry, I was hastily trying to comment on earlier discussion as I'm meant to be working heh

[polar snow]

Wow that is so good!

[austere tree]

Udio right now is better on french lyrics than SUno

[vernal haven]

whos tosssss

[civic kestrel]

Thats awesome

[hoary wind]

I had posted a snippet of Udio's ToS

[polar snow]

being able to add intros its so damn useful!

[vernal haven]

ooo

[dim lynx]

why are we not discussing this in the udio serevr

[scarlet osprey]

ill add intro automatically, lets see. Guys the way he sings in Neapolitan it's like the ORIGINAL singer

[late crown]

It's fine.. it's offtopic

[vernal haven]

wait you can unlimitedly create on udio

wahhh

wahh

wahh

wait no only 2

💀

i am so dum

i mean 4

whatever

isk

[lone prairie]

Even dummer, for the beta you can generate 1200 songs per month :3

[dim lynx]

no you get 1200 songs per month

[vernal haven]

where can that be seen

[polar snow]

free?

[late crown]

in beta yes

[polar snow]

nice!

[vernal haven]

i cant see it ):

[dry creek]

im curious what their pricing is gonna be

[plain flax]

lol

[civic kestrel]

Whatever it is I will pay it, I can make synthwave again im almost crying from happiness

[dry creek]

priority generations? at THIS SPEED? PATHETIC

[plain flax]

id assume they're going to scale up lol

[polar snow]

Amazing! If its good I will sub unless suno will bring v4

[late crown]

There genres are so off though.. lol.. I got punk instead of pop lol

[scarlet osprey]

40 songs at day?

[vernal haven]

udio randomly logs me out

signs me back in

(:

[dry creek]

yeah i told it to do metalcore and it was just a dude talking over some low quality music

[civic kestrel]

No idea

[dry creek]

so Suno wins with that

and udio broke again

alright im going to the gym now LMAO

[vernal haven]

fr

[dry creek]

ttyl guys 🙂

[polar snow]

so its only 30 sec?

[civic kestrel]

sry thats me making synthwave on 500 accounts

[vernal haven]

whas ttyl

[civic kestrel]

Per generation, you can extend

[civic kestrel]

talk to you later

[vernal haven]

oh

[polar snow]

oh I see

damn these generations takes ages

[civic kestrel]

Haha yeah their servers are overflowing

[scarlet osprey]

yes, but you can extend and add intros, suno need this

[civic kestrel]

They are just started out and a lot of Suno users probably jumped to them

[polar snow]

true, how many times happened that you got amazing verse and chorus but you couldnt add cool intro

[vernal haven]

are there any other sites lik suno

😭

[scarlet osprey]

98% of the time 🐣

[polar snow]

Udio shows users name under their own song right?

[late crown]

No?

[vernal haven]

hmm

[late crown]

And what if you don't want that?

[vernal haven]

ye

[vernal haven]

💀

[hoary wind]

You can set a display name it seems

[civic kestrel]

Yeah Udio

[polar snow]

Then shoud be an option to turn it off

[vernal haven]

nah other

[civic kestrel]

Yep

[vernal haven]

udio kinda mid rn

[polar snow]

Most people like their username under their songs because people like fame haha

[scarlet osprey]

nooooo "Backend Processing Error"

[vernal haven]

same happened with me

):

[vernal haven]

@hoary wind why peach emoji bro

[civic kestrel]

Their interface is really nice

Track not found, it said

[hoary wind]

Think about it

[scarlet osprey]

nooooooo

[civic kestrel]

Daily

[civic kestrel]

Maybe you have to set it to public?

[dim lynx]

im gonna be real udio eplore page is better

[scarlet osprey]

nooo whyyyy xD

[grim idol]

interesting note: udio does a lot of style prompt rewriting under the hood in non manual mode, for example:

"hip hop, boom bap, east coast hip hop, jazz rap, sampling"
turns into:
"male vocalist, hip hop, east coast hip hop, conscious hip hop, jazz rap, boom bap, urban, rhythmic, atmospheric, poetic, sampling, nocturnal"

[polar snow]

Damn people jumped to udio like for a toilet paper in covid times

[civic kestrel]

And Suno mods scramble to diss everything they can about it 😂

[dim lynx]

i like suno

i just want to see the best product is

right now suno is winning

[hoary wind]

Some folk drive more than one car. We can use more than one AI music gen

[civic kestrel]

Yeah, ultimately this is hopefully good for us end users as now devs have to compete

[high compass]

fun ... I keep getting errors, trying to generate anything on udio

[civic kestrel]

Nooooooooooooooooooooo

[scarlet osprey]

omg

[dim lynx]

they just launched a hour ago servers are gonna be bad

[scarlet osprey]

the site crashed

[vernal haven]

the heart break bro

[high compass]

yeah ... no joke 😉

[scarlet osprey]

it was so good, i should have download it

[grave sequoia]

Well, I'm glad competition exists, but right now they are going through a lot of growing pains. Hopefully it gives the Suno team ideas and inspiration for next steps.

[civic kestrel]

Let us pray

[vernal haven]

found a site guys

https://youtu.be/S87KoMkceTM?si=Gp593UsLQycd8dtz

[vernal haven]

the sites creations

official

💀

😭

[polar snow]

do you also have a problem with udio website being slow?

[vernal haven]

yep

[civic kestrel]

Yes everyone has, chill 😂 It just launched

[scarlet osprey]

oh sh....

[drifting topaz]

Just managed to create a 30s clip in Udio, and I'm not sure about the entire 2x better than Suno, really

[vernal haven]

LMFAO

[polar snow]

what did you try it?

[frank panther]

I haven't seen that... can you point to a post?

[drifting topaz]

Why? Out of curiousity of course

[civic kestrel]

I did 4 creations of Synthwave then got logged out

[dim lynx]

both are good in there own ways

[scarlet osprey]

udio
Something went wrong!
Try again

[polar snow]

Just curious

[drifting topaz]

I was hoping for better pronounciations

Which today is Suno's biggest weakness really, apart from the compressed audio quality

[civic kestrel]

@polar snowDid you see if Udio is at any version number or is it beta? I didnt see any about that

[late crown]

well it does show people that hallucinations, skipping text and pronunciations are a real AI music thing.. not just with suno 😉

[dim lynx]

beta

[civic kestrel]

Tyvm

[drifting topaz]

Indeed, just read the damn lyrics! 🙂

They're right there 🙂

[ebon flax]

for sure!! i know it's early days for both products, but yeah, there is something about Suno's generation that feels more inspired. At least from what I'm hearing on Udio so far

[drifting topaz]

Nooo, don't repeat the last line of the chorus!

[polar snow]

I didn't see any number. I'm kicked out of the website.

[civic kestrel]

Same I had to reconnect my discord even, growing pains deluxe I reckon. But baylens said it is beta

[polar snow]

And its all because of that damn ROLLING STONES! Unless udio always had much less servers then suno

[dim lynx]

the only thing udio has on suno is voice quality and better explore page

[drifting topaz]

I would love for something like Suno to be integrated in a track-editing software, so everything is seperated, and you can pick out one part of the song and remake it, move it, etc

Also, every track but song is midi as well

[ebon flax]

yea, though since the Udio site is under heavy load atm its hard to fully get the experience 😆

[civic kestrel]

and its only on beta

[austere tree]

You can RIPX Daw, i use it to split everything you have a 21 day free trial

[civic kestrel]

Will be interesting to follow the developments of both AIs

[dim lynx]

isnt there more being developed

[civic kestrel]

Surely

But I only know these two

[dim lynx]

isnt nvidia doing something

[ebon flax]

and adobe i think?

[civic kestrel]

SpotifAI wen

[ebon flax]

lol

[drifting topaz]

But not lyrics, right?

[dim lynx]

i want to make an ai radio show

where i review ai genderated music

[drifting topaz]

I think Udio is Nvidia

[austere tree]

In theory you could replace Lyrics but that's it

[dim lynx]

no its google

[drifting topaz]

Oh

[dim lynx]

there workers have worked at google

[civic kestrel]

Nah https://musically.com/2024/04/10/ai-music-startup-udio-launches-backed-by-artists-and-instagrams-co-founder/

[toxic root]

Dude Udio is so freaking good I'm mindblown rn

[grave sequoia]

This gives me strong Claude vs GPT-4 vibes.

[polar snow]

I know I already said that but...I really like their website!

[civic kestrel]

Me too

[ebon flax]

actually on the voice stuff, i think Suno in some cases is better, at least from what I've heard on Udio
(personal opinion lol)

edit: I realise its silly to try to make these kind of judgements within 20 mins of using something 🤣

[dim lynx]

both are good

[toxic root]

Better songs as well lol

Udio blows suno off the park

[dim lynx]

and i think i found the reason that suno offers 50 daily credits

it makes sence now

[toxic root]

What language is this?

[polar snow]

turkish?

nah

[scarlet osprey]

Neapolitan music 😲

Italian dialect :d

Neomelodic music

[summer marlin]

It takes about 100 years to generate a song on Udio though

The website isn’t even working for me right now

[ebon flax]

im not sure about that lol, maybe it depends on genre, but I was going through the Discover page and wasnt liking anything I heard 😆

[polar snow]

I gave up. I just listen to others songs

[toxic root]

Y'all calm down lmao. their servers are down from all the traffic atm

[ebon flax]

though the site is going so slow i was probably only about to listen to about 8 or so songs

[summer marlin]

They should of just released paid, the server load wouldn’t of been this heavy

[hoary wind]

You joined just to spam this?

[toxic root]

then nobody would've gotten to try it out for themselves and get hooked

if they launch the thing paid it's gonna bum everyone out

[vale lake]

aaaaaand it's gone

[summer marlin]

Maybe but it doesn’t work at all right now, too many users online

[vale lake]

it also was extremely buggy

sound is great though

[toxic root]

yea I'll give it an hour or so and maybe try it out again

[vale lake]

but the ui needs work

specifically the backend

it was clearly queuing my gens and overwriting

the ones I'd just listened to

which was... undesireable

/may have made me swear

[toxic root]

some of the songs I heard are radio quality ngl

[summer marlin]

The songs I generated changed about six times until I got a final product which luckily I liked

[vale lake]

yup

they kept changing, but not regens

[hoary wind]

As soon as I heard something I liked, I downloaded it asap heh

[vale lake]

I liked basically all of it

[toxic root]

I really liked these two

[vale lake]

I hate to say it though, but like, I have a strong feeling there is some copywrited material in the training data

[summer marlin]

Vocal clarity is clearly far superior in my opinion

[vale lake]

it took me about 10 seconds to get casiotone for the painfully alone to q tee

[summer marlin]

A lot of AI companies are shady about training data

[misty dew]

Tried putting some random letters in genre..

[toxic root]

Oh there's definitely copywrited stuff in there. Same for Suno

[noble basin]

If it's Google, then they may have legit access contractually, at least to some of it, They own things like YouTube where a lot of music is licensed for making derivative works

[summer marlin]

It’s ex employees of Google deepmind I believe

[grim idol]

I would appreciate if anyone @'s me any purely hallucinated lyrics udio songs they run across, haven't seen one yet. Hallucinations are my jam. Example in Suno: https://suno.com/song/e1fea520-6249-429d-bcb4-4765951bed99/

[noble basin]

Ah. Depends how "ex" I guess. Either way, there may be legit routes for well-connected teams to get hold of at least some published stuff.

[scarlet osprey]

DO NOT SHARE ANY SONGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA UNTIL PUBLIC LAUNCH - udio

[noble basin]

I was going to say - if they take this limitation seriously, after they've brought the servers up we might see a few accounts suspended. Play fair with your early beta access folks!

[summer marlin]

They won’t have to worry for now, nobody can generate a thing currently

[vale lake]

yea, but the way chiptines come through syno

and the way thr versioning works

[scarlet osprey]

But they let us download it, what can you expect?

[vale lake]

as well as the prompts

I don't think

they did

like, genuinely

[noble basin]

A bit of self-control?

[ebon flax]

i like the 2nd one there. Many of the tracks I've heard on Udio I didn't feel have that much natural character coming through. Like something about the way Suno is constructing the music is preferable to me, but I might change my mind if I hear more

[dim lynx]

if i send a audio file how can they track me

[summer marlin]

Don’t! They will neuralyzer you

[noble basin]

No idea. But if your first relationship with the service is to ignore their reasonable request . . .

They might quite reasonably pull the early beta for everyone, then go to invite-only

[ebon flax]

i played back some metal tracks on there and the sound was just a mess 😛

[dim lynx]

i wont

[ebon flax]

but maybe some other genres are better

[dim lynx]

country is good

[summer marlin]

Well to be fair though, songs have already been leaked prior to release and it showed that warning then so

[ebon flax]

are there any links I can look at it, you cant post the songs on here can you because of what they said?

the site wont work for me atm

[dim lynx]

yes

[grim idol]

"Until Public Launch" so it must be fine. This morning is the public launch, surely? https://twitter.com/udiomusic/status/1778045322654003448

[dim lynx]

i think the website is just bugging

[noble basin]

We don't know what happened to those leakers . . . perhaps their access was revoked

[scarlet osprey]

Humans are not ai, just look at the world and how it is going 🤣
(I didn't share anything on social however)

[summer marlin]

Of course but it’s not like they’re going to punish the whole user base for it

[patent mantle]

💀
https://suno.com/song/d0383d38-2256-4cfb-af3b-655b2d8c7a57
https://suno.com/song/ac72e237-948f-4844-a5af-6289ee4de166

[noble basin]

Well not directly "punish", but if the release is a massive headache for them, they might stop briefly to recosnider the strategy.

Probably not, and they are willing to accept the cost of dealing with the general public. Always plenty of people for whom rules are what can be enforced on them as opposed to what's reasonable . . .

[summer marlin]

True but the wheels are in motion now, I wouldn’t see them stopping service personally now, as you say they are willing to accept that some people don’t follow rules

[scarlet osprey]

Wait is Udio created by Google?

[summer marlin]

Ex Google deepmind employees

[noble basin]

Yes. Depends on how naive they were that asking nicely would be enough.

TBH, I'm very surprised there wasn't an invite-only stage for a couple of weeks.

Looks like someone just said "stuff it, lets' go public beta right now!"

[frank panther]

if it was it wouldn't ever be released and would have a fake demo, lol

[summer marlin]

I believe there was an invite early stage, which is why some songs got “leaked” I mean I don’t know, maybe that was some wacky advertisement campaign they spun up, who knows?

[frank panther]

I assume all 'leaks' are deliberate.

[scarlet osprey]

Ok, so it's not Elon?

[summer marlin]

No lol

[grim idol]

Nah, I think they just had a lot of testers and some chose to leak. There's clearly a lot of songs already on the site before today!

[hoary wind]

Why would it be?

[civic kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-jake-peralta-or-is-it-b99-brooklyn99-gif-24093609

[summer marlin]

Is it dead for anybody else though?

[civic kestrel]

Yes

[noble basin]

Maybe. I think the new service was an open secret amongst many industry insiders anyway.

Let's hope this doesn't go down as the worst gen AI launch this year. Drum up hype, launch, crash . . . .

[ebon flax]

people on their discord seem to think you can share the tracks now since it's public atm (not saying they're right though)

[cyan fox]

I've signed up for udio but every time I click anything it's constant error messages 😄

[scarlet osprey]

Lol i was thinking if Elon will listen to my music 💀

[summer marlin]

Yeah it’s dead at the moment

[frank panther]

🤕 it's just day 1.

[noble basin]

And that is true despite the writing on the web site? I would have though the large letter writing on the site would take precedent over that rumour. It would take very little effort to remove it

[west hull]

https://tenor.com/view/sparks-electrical-electricity-equipment-radio-amateur-fire-gif-24123123

[summer marlin]

I would of thought they would of better prepared themselves, knowing that there’s quite a large user base for this kind of thing

[hoary wind]

That's about as likely as him watching me picking my nose in my car

[frank panther]

And they need to get better so all the free accounts go over there and Suno has no more server overload issues...

[ebon flax]

fair argument! it's just like... if I take their banner literally I would say this is "public release", because if its not that I don't know what it is! However... I get your point... like why keep the banner up 😆

[summer marlin]

God no, I hope they make it paid ASAP

[hoary wind]

I'm looking forward to seeing: "when WAV? When stems? Why vocals not sound like I expect? Why site not available? I don't pay for this, I demand service"

[summer marlin]

It’s alive again but how long for?

[civic kestrel]

Do they have API?

[scarlet osprey]

Imagine him writing on the Spy-AI: find me a random guy picking his nose

[frank panther]

I'm going there now and trolling all the crap I have had to answer here for the last 6mos....

[west hull]

Generation currently under maintence

[frank panther]

then I will demand WHERE IS THE OFFICIAL DOCS????
WHO WROTE THIS SKETCHY COMMUNITY WIKI????
WHY NOTHING OFFICIAL???
WHY????????

[polar snow]

Doesn't work like that! Now both services will be underload! More music for free users hahaha

[ebon flax]

actually if thats the case, why do they have SHARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA button that functions 🤣

[hoary wind]

Temptation test

[ebon flax]

https://www.udio.com/songs/coixNX1gnJ1oWT8z2LQddk

[frank panther]

cue the bitching about harmonic voices....

[ebon flax]

im only posting that because common sense tells me they wouldnt have that functioning if that didnt want it to be shared

[frank panther]

this one is pretty

[hoary wind]

Deliberately include "choir" in all examples

[ebon flax]

haha yea, it's a Suno tribute!

[vale lake]

well it's back

but it's identifying my music

as Portugal the man

...

so I'm not allowed

[ebon flax]

whatcha mean?

[noble basin]

OK. Didn't see that - because server already crashing by the time I found out the service was live 🙂

The message at the bottom now reads "Don't push the shiny bitton, unitil it's ready?!"

[scarlet osprey]

I find the voice quality better than suno

[summer marlin]

Yeah that’s a stand out thing that is clearly better

[ebon flax]

actually I do take back my first judgements after hearing this track 😆

I first listened to some metal examples on Udio and they were not good, but now I'm going through Staff Picks etc

[polar snow]

I'm already waiting 1h for my first ever udio song 😦

[scarlet osprey]

Suno uses autotune sometimes, udio it's not using auto tune cause there is Mariah Carey behind the ai

[scarlet osprey]

They need more calculation power

[long phoenix]

Anyone know if the voices used on this AI are copyright free? The new Tennessee law has me worried.

[summer marlin]

We bled them dry, it’s all over folks, they ran out of resources

[polar snow]

"DO NOT SHARE ANY SONGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA UNTIL PUBLIC LAUNCH" they don't wanna that we bring more people haha

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/fVYxjxinShhUgkrjg9dPXe

not mt title

not my title lik

[valid veldt]

What do you guys think about udio?

[vale lake]

lol

this was literally with two kids

screaming

[scarlet osprey]

Looks like a different technology, the voices are too realistic though

[vale lake]

and about 3 minutes

so that shit is gonna e plode

[valid veldt]

What do you mean too realistic? Is t that what’s it supposed to be?

[frank panther]

Are you using an Elvis impersonator voice and calling yourself Elvis?

[long phoenix]

@frank panther lol negative

[vale lake]

well they licensed her

the box I mean

[vale lake]

they keep her in

she's so tired

she's been singing so long

[long phoenix]

@frank panther so you think it only applies to situations where you claim the artists name? Didn't sound like it.

[vale lake]

STOP SENDING MORE SONGS MARIAH IS SLEEPY

[scarlet osprey]

Just listen how clear is the voice

[ashen fjord]

You are best off asking support this question, the team will know the answer best.

In general, if the source may be suspect or you have no evidence to prove and believe you may be subject to your local copyright law, you are likely better off making an instrumental version and overlaying it with a voice you know (e.g. yourself).

[frank panther]

read the actual statements from lawmakers, not the clickbait trash.

It's pretty clear all the laws are about 'celebrity fakes' not generative AI.

[valid veldt]

Oh, I didn’t know if you were meaning it in a good way or bad way.

[frank panther]

hard to take seriously. I assumed everything is sarcasm

[valid veldt]

Clear voice is what I really like about udio

[pure ore]

Guys, let's say you want to start a channel on YouTube and upload your music, but you love music and you cover multiple genres (that can be far from each other, e.g. metal and house music).
What should be the best approach?
One channel and upload everything there mixing up all genres?
Multiple channels that cover "similar" genres?

[scarlet osprey]

Did you listen to my song? The melismas and virtuoso in the voice are amazing

[scarlet osprey]

Im serious about my song, idk other songs

[valid veldt]

Yeah it’s great. I really like how it clear it is.

[long phoenix]

@frank panther I've thought about doing a model of my voice to overlay the one on here and splitting it. Any suggestions on software or other ai?

[valid veldt]

I mean I would just post it all on the same channel

[scarlet osprey]

Just let my mother and brother listen to it and they asked me who is the Singer

[frank panther]

How committed are you to maintaining a bunch of different 'personas'...?

You can make different playlists, and add the songs to where they are appropriate...

But consider your subscribers..., they will not want a bunch of random off-genre music spamming their feed...

[summer marlin]

Did you tell them it was me?

[tribal glacier]

buzzing to try udio

[scarlet osprey]

Hahaa they said that sounds like a famous Neapolitan singer, i said that it's not a real person

[pure ore]

But consider your subscribers..., they will not want a bunch of random off-genre music spamming their feed...
This is what i was thinking about primarily

[ebon flax]

site seems to be working, but I cant generate at the moment

[pure ore]

And it does make sense

[grave sequoia]

I think it really depends on what you train your subscribers to expect. While switching from acoustic folk to death metal might now be a good idea, I think lots of pop music variety allow some experiments.

[tribal glacier]

same

[ebon flax]

does the concept of continuations etc exist in Udio?

well it's good to have another competitor actually out in the open, it puts pressure on everyone to make the best product 😆

[grave sequoia]

I think you have to think of it as a spectrum. I view my channel and artist page like a radio station.

[ebon flax]

i was trying to write a song about Suno

[grim idol]

yes. interesting it is both more and less advanced. you can generate intros for songs (backwards in time) but unless I missed it, you can't pick custom continue times. seems strange feature to be missing to me?

[vale lake]

alright, so a direct comparison

https://suno.com/song/04a36c35-14d6-4024-86be-f3ab2d0e7cf1

[ebon flax]

haha funny!!!

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/fVYxjxinShhUgkrjg9dPXe

same prompts

[hoary wind]

Insert/replace/inpaint would be good

[vale lake]

same lyrics

Suno is just very very produced atm

[ebon flax]

hmm yea, i like the Suno one, theyre different kinds of generations really

[late crown]

@vale lake what is your impression?

[ebon flax]

like the Udio one is also good, but a different sound

[grim idol]

My half-joking suggestion to Suno (I'm never fully joking) was "why not train the whole music model again from scratch but use backwards audio, then you can generate song intros, right" and now I almost wonder if udio did that. because why can they generate backwards, but not have inpainting? actually dying to know if that works. I mean realistically there are 100 better ways to do that, but the idea is very funny

[mortal totem]

This shit flatlined for me rn

[vale lake]

They're both good. it's a tough call.

[ebon flax]

the Udio one has more naturalness perhaps, but like the Suno one sounds great. it's hard to judge

[vale lake]

personally I really enjoyed the newer one

but idk 🤷‍♂️

[late crown]

Yeah.. at least it shows people that hallucinations and skipping lyrics is not just a Suno thing 😹

[vale lake]

100

I'm wondering if this is based on stable diffusion model

the 30 second clips

[mortal totem]

I notice you can directly mention artists names in the prompt?

[vale lake]

but a lot do that

[mortal totem]

But I don’t think it really does much

[ebon flax]

the way Udio's vocals are less "locked in" to the precise notes of the melody, doesnt necessarily always result in a better vocal imo. Though I don't hear this on all the tracks. Sunauto does this really bad

[vale lake]

on suno, no

nothing, that's what I've told people

it's def been trained on only style

like, title may make it in, I'm not sure

and lyrics do

but band names are absurdly off base

[grim idol]

When you do that it converts your prompt into standard list of music tags/styles (you can see the list it uses). But it is a nice convenience feature.

[fading bay]

https://soundcloud.com/kyusenne/hardtekk-tek-still-alive

[vale lake]

oh that's nice

[vale lake]

in any case, being honest, the sound quality is superior, ironically, with the alternate (uno or whatever it's called) and it's more raw, which imo means adherence may be better given the prompt

at the same time, Sunos preference data produced a strong progression

presumably that's the primary difference

and maybe quants

[mortal totem]

Only downside, it takes hours to generate (no joke)

[grim idol]

One example:
Udio Prompt: "Song like the Beatles" = "male vocalist", "merseybeat", "pop rock", "beat music", "rock", "rock & roll", "british rhythm & blues", "love", "melodic", "romantic", "energetic", "happy", "bittersweet", "uplifting", "playful", "longing", "warm"

[vale lake]

in any case, the song I made was with 0 time, so I suspect for some music

[grave sequoia]

I think the length of generation has a much, much bigger impact on the quality. I've noticed that my Suno songs that go over a 1 minute in generation usually hallucinate, so I've started feeding it smaller lyrics to compensate.

[scenic meadow]

not sure if this is the right place but uh

https://open.spotify.com/album/4NNk42vKopC2Wh4bRY7LoE

[late crown]

True.. but I feel it is also closer to existing songs. I had hiphop songs that were eary close to "public enemy"

[scenic meadow]

made with Suno

[ebon flax]

hmm yea, i think its "technically" better sound output, but sonically there are times I like the sound of Suno better than "some" examples I am hearing on Udio

[vale lake]

oh yea, 100

[scenic meadow]

34 more tracks to appear in there...

[vale lake]

I agree wholeheartedly

[ebon flax]

sometimes on Suno you can get a really full sound which i havent heard on Udio yet

like all the frequences across the mix

[late crown]

okay.. I will be back later.. gonna get a bite to eat 🙂

[vale lake]

it means one of two things: either they just trained it straight better, and it's just getting close to where it should be.

Or (and I think this is very possible) it's trained on stuff it shouldn't be, that Suno didn't use

[mortal totem]

Suno will be putting something together now, this introduction of udio means competition, which is great, now they push each other to get better

[vale lake]

yes

I like the suno devs

[grave sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-no-yes-simpsons-gif-27117417

[mortal totem]

Suspect udio will be paid soon

[vale lake]

so I hope everyone gets some. Imo it's interesting this hit market rn

I feel like Suno was heading toward full capture, similar to what happened with openAI and gpt

[vale lake]

of cpurse

[grave sequoia]

Honestly though, I think it's also the smaller generation sizes. I went back today and played with v2 and noticed that vocals sounded crisper.

[vale lake]

I think they panic launched

bc Suno has had a big explosion

[ebon flax]

In regards to the sonic sound of Udio, like there's a thinness to the mix:
https://www.udio.com/songs/mBpC4WXm7T5AbnGbmr76Nw

On Suno it's very hard to get that dual guitar lead for example, but Suno can achieve a more full sound. This mix is lacking something thats hard to describe, but there's frequencies missing

[vale lake]

I suspect it isn't

I think it generates in v3 in chunks anyway

[grave sequoia]

I've been comparing it to Claude vs GPT-4.

[vale lake]

30 second marks are quite distinct

[ebon flax]

like this is a really good track, but there is something with the way the Udio model is working that produces a kind of "empty" sound

[frank panther]

did you make all your songs 'public' or the equivalent...?

Is this a deliberate share of your content there?

[ebon flax]

this isnt my music haha?

im just posting from Staff Picks

[frank panther]

Ahhh

[ebon flax]

theyre good generations though haha, but not mine

[vale lake]

yea, ill have to play with instrumental

to gey more of an idea

I've been out of creds

[toxic root]

Maybe it's because you're used to all those vocal layers in Suno songs

[vale lake]

w/Suno for bit

so this'll tide me over

that and crack

[ebon flax]

there is a possibility. I will also accept the possibility that I've heard so much Suno style music that my ears have become accustomed to that sound

[vale lake]

ing open a delicious can of corn

[grim idol]

The fat udio styles work pretty great in suno too! this style from udio was supposed to sound like the beatles:
https://www.udio.com/songs/032e5a41-e272-4d4a-8d30-86d3b1a03508
https://suno.com/song/165e38b7-312f-4a5a-a25f-634f66370e66/

[toxic root]

To me it sounds more raw and pure, also most Udio songs I've heard are quite original

Suno songs, almost all of them, they follow some kind of pattern

Which kinda makes it generic imo

Nothing against Suno, I absolutely love it tho

[ebon flax]

i didnt see that part til after haha

[ebon flax]

hmmm yea... i getcha, though i think when you use continuations on Suno you get around the generic-ness

most of the generic-ness comes from AI lyrics combined with single generations (less user steering)

[grim idol]

honestly there is a of good patterns suno users can learn from these chunky udio style prompts. lots of diverse words. some nice less common vocal styles of the suno song you can get when you pack the style prompt like that.

[ebon flax]

though sometimes you can fluke really awesome single generations too

[ebon flax]

interesting!

[grave sequoia]

Lot's of AI models out there do this with an LLM trained on the model's keywords. Usually it's art generators, excited to see it come to the music space.

[toxic root]

Also the quality in Udio songs are a bit better. Udio outputs mp3 files around 320kb/s while Suno does 192kb/s

Both have their own advantages tho

[vale lake]

https://www.udio.com/songs/2rtaoZ4HwecA93b3PeHHeB

I'm sorry, but that's Pearl Jam.

no way this is all kosher

[ebon flax]

haha wow that is nice... too bad the mix is so thin!!! otherwise its awesome

[vale lake]

notmine btw

just looking through

[ebon flax]

i dont know enough Pearl Jam enough to know how similar it is... but from what i do know its similar

[vale lake]

it's like, straight up his voice

the lead singer

it's 1:1

[grim idol]

You didn't ask for a song in the style of Pearl Jam, you just asked for grunge?

[vale lake]

like... ya, that's damnung

damning

[ebon flax]

ive had this feeling on Suno too sometimes, though not 1:1, but maybe 75:100

[vale lake]

not mine so I can't know

unfortunately

[grim idol]

Oh I am an idiot, didn't even look at name 😄

[toxic root]

To me it sounds a bit but not that much

[vale lake]

it's all good, there's a lot happening rn lol

[frank panther]

prompt is on the page... no band or artist listed

[hoary wind]

Weirdly mine sound quite watery

[toxic root]

Kinda depends on the style you choose I believe

Some voices are a bit more clear, some are muddy

[grave sequoia]

I only got a few gens out, but I'm interested in the quality of the sound. Don't think it followed the prompt that close.
https://www.udio.com/songs/8SDSrifehFCNejK1vqbZSg

[hoary wind]

I know people say Suno quality is poor and blame MP3 for that but honestly I find Suno to be grainy whereas Udio has more of the classic MP3 warbling

[toxic root]

This one the sound quality is pretty damn good
https://www.udio.com/songs/982DnRB55uai9QeXAKCKyq

[vale lake]

it's in there. There's no reason otherwise it would associate grunge with that vocalization

maybe it can't be proven

but it's in the daya

data

[grim idol]

There is a bit of metadata in the page which I think is the "optimized" prompt since it named that: male vocalist, alternative rock, rock, grunge, melodic, hard rock, energetic, passionate, alternative metal, aggressive, anxious, heavy, angry, rhythmic, dark, raw, drugs
and now I must try 'drugs' in Suno..

[ebon flax]

bass is actually not too bad there!!!!

[toxic root]

To me the thing that most bothers me about Suno is the vocal layers. It's never a single person's voice, it's almost like the program forces it to put a bunch of vocal layers on top

[ebon flax]

i mean the bass playing itself is freaking awesome and natural. Has a better low frequency that some other tracks ive heard so far on there

[vale lake]

nice find

yea they panic launched

or whatever, they wanted to capitalize on the wave

[toxic root]

Their discord and songs leaked yesterday, so yea they probably weren't expecting to release that soon

[vale lake]

which makes sense

my real question is, is this stability on the backend

bc if it is this will be an interesting year

[frank panther]

aren't their devs from Deepmind?
I would think they could architect their own model...?
(but what do I know)

[vale lake]

hmm, idk, I just heard of them an hour ago

[prime bronze]

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/udio-ai-music-chatgpt-suno-1235001675/amp/

[toxic root]

I talked to this guy who studies AI music generation

This is what he said

[grave sequoia]

I doubt it since Stable Audio has bad vocals and the company is imploding.

[grim idol]

Launch day server problems are almost unavoidable, seems totally normal. first hours/days has a super spike is usage probably, doesn't even really make sense to prescale to handle it perfectly I bet

[ebon flax]

i dont mind the light distortion on Suno tracks, i've come to really like this sound! it's warm and natural sounding

[toxic root]

They use Soundstorm, which is google research

[hoary wind]

Ah wasn't a complaint, just an observation.

[rare lagoon]

whole thing went down

[slow bronze]

I keep getting errors on udio, can't generate anything

[ebon flax]

yea its a good observation. Obviously when the AI distortion goes overboard and gets worse and worse... then I don't like that 🤣. I'm sure that will be improved.
when it's subtle it can add a nice warmness

[toxic root]

Their servers are down atm

[vale lake]

they'll get back online once msft calls

don't you worry bout that

[slow bronze]

I'm listening to examples on udio and like what I hear

[grave sequoia]

They made a song: https://twitter.com/i/status/1778093021378089240

udio (@udiomusic) on X

🤗

Twitter · Apr 10, 2024, 4:09 PM

[toxic root]

LMAO the "OOOOOH SHIT" part is gold

[grim idol]

Yeah the devs are legit, you can look up al their cool things, including winning MIT Mystery Hunt which is legit an intimidating accomplishment

[dim lynx]

the co lead of google gemani is on the project

[vale lake]

oh gawt dam

that fidelity

the detail

also, this is a message regarding censorship

[ebon flax]

haha was thinking that too

[vale lake]

bc that's from the devs

[slow bronze]

just listened to a 1950s oldies type song made by udio and wow!! There would be no way I would know that was AI. Udio is really good. Hopefully they get their servers sorted out. Now I know why Suno has paid tiers and limits free generations.

[frank panther]

Why do people keep saying Suno can't say fk and st...?

[vale lake]

you can!

I'm saying that they're making it clear

you can there too

[frank panther]

ahh

[ebon flax]

and on Suno you wouldnt get on Trending with that

[hoary wind]

On one hand: "that's not very professional"
On the other hand: "Hahaha that's great"

[ebon flax]

maybe that will be the same with Udio too anyway

[frank panther]

does it censor sex?

[ebon flax]

yeah i cringed for a few seconds and then i was like "this is actually really good" 😆

[vale lake]

no clue

suno didn't though

[hoary wind]

It got a laugh from my partner who even paused what she was watching to listen to it again

[vale lake]

I'm not sure about now

[vale lake]

I've stopped trying to understand trending here haha

[ebon flax]

haha yea trending = meme songs (jks)

[vale lake]

I just focus on what I like, I think there is something wrong with new

[slow bronze]

trending = bots

[vale lake]

it's hard to show up on it

[ebon flax]

actually im sure there are some good non-meme songs on there too

[vale lake]

idk, maybe. I think it's in general gettin a running start

like obvi missionaries get like 100 to start

so for a long time it was like

✝️ you're inside me

for like every other song

now it's more like

[ebon flax]

yea definitely, only a week or so ago you could get in there with like 15 likes and build up from that

[vale lake]

🪲 🐞 🪲 🐞 🪲 🐞 🪲 🐞

[toxic root]

https://twitter.com/DavidmComfort/status/1778094049196744870?t=jOHq2Ok8XCwVSadresIdqQ&s=19

This song is so beautiful omg

David M. Comfort (@DavidmComfort) on X

Highway Lasts

Twitter · Apr 10, 2024, 4:13 PM

[grave sequoia]

It has become more and more gamefied. If you reddit and use the ChatGPT subreddit its like that. One person makes a good idea, and then hundreds of bots redo the same idea but a little different. And then they all upvote each other.

[ebon flax]

did the Suno "Home" page just change recently???

i know they added that new Explore page, but i didnt notice all these different categories until just now

you can also see your Liked songs now in a playlist (if anyone wasnt already aware of that)

[vale lake]

I mean, the internets concensus mechanisms are not functioning well for a while now. Too many bots got burned over the last year bc wars, and the way they make more destroys content, since they just repost, and Echo previously popular comment threads

to avoid automods

and it pollutes all content

like, reddit was funny just a year ago

if you found good subs

for example, that tend on fbook

with the bottles

it's a great 💡

People were like, "I can't believe boomers believe this stuff, it's obvious ai"

and like, yes, they don't (broadly)

it's bots

[prime bronze]

I keep hearing this in the WWF J.R voice 😂😂 MAH GAWD

[drowsy mango]

poor udio, the servers are getting hammered hard af

[high compass]

hmm ... only 33 secs/song ... but it definitely know what "experimental noise" is

[prime bronze]

What about delirious experimental alternative art music

[high compass]

hmmm and it's got a N-Word Problem when naming tracks

[fathom aspen]

Damn. It definitely knows how to create soothing sleep music 🤣

[grave sequoia]

That's how you know it's good. Got that neon glow.

[high compass]

well ... it's definitely experimental noise

[dim lynx]

https://www.udio.com/songs/wDzRfbeqrdu6rhsxkwn5cY

[high compass]

their 😉

[hoary wind]

Apparently I've reached my daily limit of 5

[high compass]

in Suno?

[hoary wind]

Nope Udio

[stuck cedar]

Can you use and old clip and add it to a new version Suno has created

[high compass]

hmm ... I generated 6 tracks (3 generations)

[dim lynx]

i def gen more then 5

[twilit needle]

@austere helm https://www.udio.com/songs/8GWRzLp3DKp8tTJGbfAzf6

[high compass]

right now I only get 'failed to generate though

[hoary wind]

Ah

There was a previous message following a failed generation that said I'd reached the daily limit (5/5) though

[austere helm]

hmmm i dont know, i mean, i have trouble judging it when its not my style of music i normally listen to

[hoary wind]

It doesn't seem to recognise vocaloid

[twilit needle]

I have a suno song with basically the same prompt:
https://suno.com/song/d2f809c9-9526-4d4f-b718-d95c6bdbf452

[west hull]

https://suno.com/song/f6c2581a-9e96-474f-ac8d-fb1b96d3cc1e

[slow bronze]

trying to generate some kpop songs using my own lyrics in udio and it is completely failing. Either won't sing the lyrics at all or else it is not kpop.

[high compass]

nor EDM

[hoary wind]

For me, EDM became dubstep

[ebon flax]

that did come out pretty damn good!

[twilit needle]

Yeah, I was impressed

The voice is way more clear than the Suno prompt

[slow bronze]

yeah the vocals are awesome on that! like the voice

[ebon flax]

yeah, that's actually one of the best examples i've heard! really shows it off
where's the Suno one out of curiosity?

[austere helm]

I mean that sounds good yeah, but i think its something a little different when trying to do hard rock music with it

[twilit needle]

right here @ebon flax

[scarlet osprey]

Udio is strange, when i press play the first seconds i made a song it's different from the second time i play it. it's looks like it adjust itself later

[twilit needle]

Not the exact same lyrics so maybe not a fair comparason

[ebon flax]

ohhh i see, though it has different lyrics. I did see that! the lyrics would affect the result quite a bit

[grave sequoia]

I thought I was going crazy.

[twilit needle]

I just got weirded out a second ago too

[austere helm]

This voice just sounds like crap to me

https://www.udio.com/songs/uVrveUaN4U67Q3Rg8Ri3JD

[scarlet osprey]

Me to, it looks like someone adjust the song. like the ai is taking control of your mind hahahah

[austere helm]

https://www.udio.com/songs/gdfB3hpihhCD5sEUorAyPU

Both just sound like crap

[ebon flax]

this one is better!!! (more of a personal vocal opinion haha), but its also funny
edit: actually both aren't too bad. But i get what you mean also

[austere helm]

I find the other one better lmao

but yeah idk both just sound terrible to me

[hoary wind]

Random spoken word creepiness https://www.udio.com/songs/ee4UqjnpqNCZCfvWw57kqQ

[narrow furnace]

I get this.

[twilit needle]

I can't help but wonder what the artist imitation stance at Udio is

[grave sequoia]

They change your prompt using the name to genres/keywords that artist fits into.

[twilit needle]

I was using Manual though

[slow bronze]

is there a udio discord yet?

[west hull]

imagine coming to a suno discord to talk about another company.

[twilit needle]

Well that's good

[fathom aspen]

We didn't come to suno. The other company came to us...

[twilit needle]

I wasn't using any artists though lol

[west hull]

you are literally in suno discord chatting about a completely diff company and product

go start your own discord and bring it there. be proactive instead of relying on a completely different company to use as your personal chat rooms

[grave sequoia]

If only there was an off topic place to discuss things unrelated to Suno but are of interest to it's users...

[west hull]

this isn't your personal discord

[twilit needle]

If only...