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[torn spoke]

so theeeeen you crop it after the first 10

and extend from there

[ebon sand]

Doesn't work either, the extensions use a different voice or suddenly turn bluegrass into a pop song, I have uploaded a few files to extend from them but that also doesn't work, it usually errors

[torn spoke]

The clip you upload, if you crop it (to make it persona'able) and then cover that crop with the persona

Could you do that? Upload a snippet, make a persona, and cover it, then upload those 3 files here.

so I can see what you mean

and maybe figure out where it's breaking down

[ebon sand]

Later for sure, I'm currently driving, but here my extensions

[torn spoke]

Oh you could have said that they were 2 seconds lol

that's kinda an important point

also, don't be texting and driving!

put yer phone down

[ebon sand]

They are like that to 90%, the rest gets through and produces 30

It's fine, traffic jam

[torn spoke]

[spice birch]

Where are all the Personas gone to? All the ones that I had saved are missing except for about 10

[torn spoke]

I think the 3.5 persona's are gone

[ebon sand]

Maybe it just bugs on letting you scroll down

[graceful condor]

I wasted 2 Days on extensions. If you are not lucky enough that they work, you waste credits, your life, hours and nerves on it. And please do not ask me if I used sliders. I done them in all directions, I even did not used them at all (which worked the best so far - if you can even call it "best").

And Personas so far do not guarantee that a Chorus or Verse isn't sung flat. And I do not wanna have the same hook in every song. They should sing a catchy verse or phrase with new music as it was with 4.5. And Personas even more tend to mess up words, misspell and gibberish. And I have good Personas. Even done the effort and removed all music from them so that you only can hear the vocal lines. Believe me I've done it all. I got I guide I made myself with nearly 1000 sites of wisdom, tricks, lyrics, prompts etc.

[spice birch]

No all my v5 are too. All but 10

[ebon sand]

3.5 personas are not gone, I have about 400 of them

[spice birch]

So now what, go back down the list and redo them all?

[ebon sand]

For me they somehow only lower the quality of the output, even if the persona was clean, and it produces the same sound as if the persona wasn't there so I don't use them anymore on v5 and hope they'll bring something that works again, especially for vocals but the instruments would also be important for me

[torn spoke]

Never said I wanted the same hook in every song, you don't need to strawman me here, chill.
Regarding guarantees, there are none. Deal with it
I don't remove instrumentals from my personas, as I use them specifically to recreate/steer a song in the direction I want. I do not have experience with using pure vocal persona's.
I've also had projects where I feel frustrated with sections, and I usually just leave them and come back to them when I don't have an obsession with them anymore. Much easier to work with.

And last question, are you generating things inside of studio or in the old UI?

[ebon sand]

Do they still exist in your library

[spice birch]

Nope

The full songs? I hope so

Some not all

[torn spoke]

Cause studio is absolutely horrible at generations. It's only really good at editing.

[ebon sand]

Maybe a question for support, but they take a whole to answer s

[graceful condor]

Totally agree. I use them less and less too. Which bugs me because I invested so much time into them at 4.5+ but it just makes no sense if they make anything worse.

[ebon sand]

Well the quintessence is, that there has been an ongoing regression in compatibility with suno's own tools, to me this is not just "you have to get used to a new model" but a plain regression in compatibility and ease of use.
It's not directly comparable to LLMs but I expect GPT 5 to work better with the systems on the website and not worse than 4o

If the output in the chat without any tools then is supposedly better doesn't matter if it cannot process my project files

[graceful condor]

If you you compare it to the original 4.5+ which now isn't anymore because of the corruption by 5. It was much more stable, balanced and better in nearly any aspect.

[ebon sand]

I still generate on v3.5 since it works best with everything and take my headphones off to remain oblivious to the flaws I hope V6 will respect their own tools again or my instructions in the lyrics haha!

[quick sonnet]

Using v3.5 as a Pro user is a waste of money.

[graceful condor]

or 5+ which might come before. Hopefully.

[ebon sand]

I'm old enough to be responsible about what I spend my money on

[polar spade]

I just suggested using 3.5s language strengths to someone and integrate into a 5.0 song. Now I have to find another way? (he says, tongue in cheek) 😥 😆

[ebon sand]

Or they fix the features or general compatibility with them
Inspo would do what I need but the outputs are just bugged, it's a pity

[quick sonnet]

And what about 5.5?

[polar spade]

It's not such a task to add 2 minutes to the project updating that specific 3. 5 persona, when needed. So updating a personas is simple enough.Most users' 3.5 were made of the whole 4 minute OG output and not as effective as they could be anyway. So 3. 5 personas are there for the "seed" and useful, but no need to spend a week updating things just because.

[spice birch]

When v5 first released, it sounded so freaking good. Now all my songs sound like the singer has a bad sore throat with 5 different tones in the same song. I'm literally disappointed what v5 has come to.

[slim zinc]

Hi, do you know why suno doesn't listen to prompt when giving specific details. It generates songs but it deon't follow the prompt. I want song without lead guitar melody. How to prompt it correctly?

[torn spoke]

trueeeeee

I wouldn't keep my hopes up that they'll try to be backwards compatible with anything older than 4.5

[limpid badge]

Yeah it's almost always the same raspy voice. And it absolutely doesn't sound as human to me

[ebon sand]

That's why I'm on premier

[ebon sand]

I also get the same standard voice in every output, at least this allows for consistency

I wish the quality of the vocals was better

[limpid badge]

Yeah, such a disappointment

[ebon sand]

Well it can only get better I think many people have noted it so they probably are aware about those pain points

[limpid badge]

And i've tried v3.5 out of curiosity.
Damn i dont remember it being so shitty before. Now it's almost like a noise

[ebon sand]

You need a good persona for it, it cleans up the quality quite a lot, but the vocals stay doubled/muddy

But also better than when generating from scratch, best is an uploaded file without issues, it will add a few fragments but not that bad

[torn spoke]

it's always been shitty m8

[ebon sand]

Why so passive aggressive

[torn spoke]

I'm not aggressive at all

[ebon sand]

Alright, I'll talk to you again when you discuss in good faith

[torn spoke]

tbf, you're the one with bad faith right now

[ebon sand]

Not at all, take care

[torn spoke]

I haven't taken anything you have said as bad faith. Find one response where I've misconstrued what you have said.

[ebon sand]

We are done on this, it's alright, have a nice day!

[limpid badge]

Idk bruh. Mb it's just a psychological effect and know we just hear more artifacts and bs quality bc of comparison with other versions. But it still seems weirdly bad for me, i remember it being better

[torn spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-jim-carrey-dumb-and-dumber-jim-carrey-i-don't-hear-you-gif-9558280472791987858

You :3

[ebon sand]

I also get worse generations across all models but havent created much in 1-2 weeks so I booked it on bad luck, maybe something changed backend

A lot of noises, stutters, mispronunciations and quality issues

[torn spoke]

that's the first jab I've ever taken at you btw

[torn spoke]

I think it's the magic of discovering it

[ebon sand]

Read on Reddit that people have had an issue with skipped vocals or stuttering, I've had it too but the outputs were never perfect

[torn spoke]

by now we're used to music being generate-able

the novelty is gone

[tawdry scarab]

if you want my 2 cents it's because there was a huge influx and everyone is finding the same issues with AI that always existed because they're playing with 5 more, and doing so excitedly

nothing described has been anything but the problems we already have that require flexibility and nudging things around

meanwhile I've noticed no change, just a bit better quality from 4.5

and then when we pry or help on the server we find in most cases when something just won't work, the person has been trying the same things without changing them

maybe they ramped up their approach but from the same direction

[torn spoke]

Yeah, I've also not seen any difference other than a bump in quality

[torn spoke]

from 4.5

[ebon sand]

It's hard to blame it on the user when you use a tool as intended and it gives you broken outputs

[tawdry scarab]

perhaps, but when you're also using that tool doing everything they say can't be done

it's hard not to call it a skill issue

[ebon sand]

What?

[tawdry scarab]

If people come in and they are desperate and something doesn't work, but I have no problem with that very thing, it's hard for me to be entirely empathetic, though I can be toward the emotion of being frustrated by not learning how to use a tool

[limpid badge]

4.5 seems a lil bit more creative for me (with vocals), 4.5+ and 5 sounds almost the same

[ebon sand]

Ok, so I select an inspo playlist and the output is as if weirdness is at 80% and sounds completely unusable
I don't think this is my fault as I did nothing odd

[vital quarry]

For me in many genres 5 sounds way better.

[tawdry scarab]

did you set the weirdness to 0 after that gen?

[vital quarry]

In most cases I use default settings.

[tawdry scarab]

because if not you didn't do the basic most obvious thing

[limpid badge]

I'm sorry, but that story is old as hell.
Everyone who uses suno long enough can notice, how limited it actually is.

[ebon sand]

Yes I did everything with the sliders, doesn't change the issue

[tawdry scarab]

so zero audio influence, zero weirdness, and it comes out garbled in the way that things do at 100% weirdness? and this happens after refreshes?

[ebon sand]

I've generated around 1000 attempts in different setups, different playlists, yes it always happens, as if it would stumble over itself and lose track what a melody is.

[tawdry scarab]

so this is something I feel bad about and obviously you have poked a hole in my smarmyness, but I have to tell you

I have no idea why that would happen to only one person

unless your inspo songs are themselves very weird

[ebon sand]

It doesn't only happen to one

No they are not weird, normal suno outputs

[tawdry scarab]

it doesn't happen consistently or across the board

so you're right I can't answer for everything

[ebon sand]

Might be, it happens for me so it doesn't help me if it works for you

[tawdry scarab]

it has never happened to me

[ebon sand]

Then be glad about that but don't act as if I caused it because I'm incompetent

[tawdry scarab]

my point was not to blame you

[ebon sand]

I do nothing weird at all and it would be the Dev's responsibility to look why it fails for others

[tawdry scarab]

my point is it's easier to believe you're making a mistake and not telling me exactly how you explored the problem than it is for me to understand you having a special inspo that is different than mine

[ebon sand]

I take playlists of 4 songs that I like. Add them as inspo. Then add a style and click create.
The output is unusable.
I use a different playlist, remove songs, only use 1-3, doesn't matter
Use uploads without melody, create playlists with neatly separated songs e.g. 1 for instruments, 1 for voice
I adjust the sliders.
That's what I've done

[limpid badge]

Bc It depends what you doing. I've seen so many happy ppl bc all they generate is the most boring shitty pop-country music

[ebon sand]

Usually the vocals stay quite consistent and the background noise/music sounds as if it would fragment itself

[tawdry scarab]

Then I have to make special effort to accept that you are in a special case. Which is okay but I'm not going to default to everyone is in a special case.

wait

[ebon sand]

Ok, then do that

[tawdry scarab]

you said it was like 100% weirdness

now you're saying the vocals are consistent

[ebon sand]

Around 80%, it gets weirder towards the end, the first 10-20 seconds are often good and then it destroys itself more and more.

[tawdry scarab]

and you don't want to extend from the good part?

[ebon sand]

I want to

[tawdry scarab]

you can extend right through those

pick .5 seconds from it

then power through it will open up again

[ebon sand]

They don't have sound, there's only like a loud noise

They don't really extend

[tawdry scarab]

yeah, take .5 seconds and extend off it

[ebon sand]

I also tried that, it always happens

[tawdry scarab]

they open up

[ebon sand]

If you can get any continuation then they might

[tawdry scarab]

they continue, they do so by you picking .5 seconds from the one with an acceptable noise or just taking a break in the song

[ebon sand]

And we still were at the inspo issue 🙂

Well that's on the end of Suno to fix isn't it? I can get good songs, just not with v5, it fails in every direction

[tawdry scarab]

not knowing how to extend with short outputs is not on suno

[ebon sand]

It's on suno to have erroring extensions

[tawdry scarab]

generative ai doesn't make errors

it makes what comes out from what you put in

[ebon sand]

They clearly cut off, but it's alright

[tawdry scarab]

so here we are, I have a solution, you don't acknowledge it

and your defense is that you won't do what works

because you're convinced it can't work

[ebon sand]

No, I told you I have done that and it doesn't work

You read I haven't tried it

[tawdry scarab]

where did you tell me you went through several successive extends at .5 seconds with no get whole song

[ebon sand]

This method existed for a long time

[ebon sand]

Here

[tawdry scarab]

then again

you have a special suno I don't

I hope they can fix your account

[ebon sand]

That's alright but then you cannot help me, and still you act as if you're the guru and I'm the noob

[tawdry scarab]

if you sent me a link to the root from the inspo I will make a complete song

[ebon sand]

I don't share my songs since they have a special vocalist I don't want to exist on other accounts but maybe I can create a new playlist with a random vocalist later

[tawdry scarab]

any clip of anything that won't extend if you send it I'll extend if for half an hour

in the very same way I have implied you have a skill issue you are deciding that I do not posess a skill that I do, abundantly

[ebon sand]

I like how you just pivot from the core issue of inspo to the extensions that do not work either
This is a very funny gaslighting tactic and none of this is on the user, it's just a poor design
That's like saying if you only get cut off or jumbled responses from ChatGPT you have to regenerate and that's on me if I don't
As if there is nothing that the company could do about that or should do about that

[tawdry scarab]

from practice

[ebon sand]

Oh I believe you that you get the results you want but that doesn't help me because I don't get the results I want and the features are not working for me as intended

[tawdry scarab]

as expected

[ebon sand]

The inspo problem is only present on v5, all the other models are fine with it

Well except for V4 but I think they have removed that again

[tawdry scarab]

I don't have a clear indication of the inspo problem because 80% weidness is still sufficiently normal to extend from

[ebon sand]

I do not use weirdness sliders usually, I don't touch the sliders unless there is an issue, I usually generate with standard settings which are supposed to work best

[tawdry scarab]

I don't think I'm helping you by continuing this conversation

and I can't, like, suddenly change my approach

so I am gonna take a second

[ebon sand]

I agree with that assessment, thank you for your time

[tawdry scarab]

sorry for all that

[hard beacon]

huuh... Suno Team on Vacation? 😄

[eager siren]

is there a quick & efficient way to force a consistent vocal style during the whole song ?
I try to generate some death metal, most of the harsh vocal is good, but Suno keeps switching to full singing for each chorus, more "symphonic powel metal style", totally not the vibe

[polar spade]

Traditionally, we find extensions can keep vocals consistent. As far as quick and efficient though, it could be more daunting if you're just starting out. Gets real easy as you get used to them.

The other go-to is associating a persona, and see how that goes. No guarantees with any model at the moment as personas work differently and are affected by a few things, but they may still result in a consistent vocal.

My thoughts are to avoid the bells and whistles and just practice a lot of extensions first, this will come in handy later. Then, learn a bit of the editor UI, both new and Legacy. After that, using the rest as well as Studio will be a breeze.

[torn spoke]

After you've setup your prompt and what not it's fairly fast to extend I suppose

[torn spoke]

Ironic, the gaslighter claiming to be gaslit

:3

Now now, you're not supposed to talk to me remember.

[ebon sand]

Maybe you have a different definition of the word

[torn spoke]

I'm aparently still being bad faith, you shouldn't acknowledge me m8

[ebon sand]

Are you done with that attitude or do I have to call a mod

[torn spoke]

Me teasing you for making the assumption that my comments (that didn't even mention you btw) were in bad faith? That attitude?

Who called who passive aggresive? Who made the claim that they were in bad faith?

[ebon sand]

I have no interest in your teasing, just let it be, DM me if you want a problem solved, but just stop it

[torn spoke]

Dm sent <3

[tawdry scarab]

woah, I had been thinking about like, a longer more detailed apology

from me was warranted

then I was like, don't try to be moral police and agrandizingly groveling

it's not cool to try to make people feel lesser for not getting the right thing from something they're attempting to use the way it's designed

[ebon sand]

It's alright, it also sometimes happens to me in other communities where I have created very specific workflows over months or years to solve a problem but lose sight of that this is not how the majority will ever use it or apply it or they might not even have the same goal which makes my process invalid for them

[polar spade]

I still just close my eyes and throw darts, then see what comes bubbling up from the bog, only to think, sure, I'll just take that and move on. So Ive not been good to give good step by step instructions anyway.

[tawdry scarab]

like, were it a garage and a task to change a part, I have a wrench I've torched and bent in three places

and I'm saying, just use your crazy custom wrench

[hard beacon]

godverdomme.. suno needs a major update for structure prompting... v5 ignores intros all the time... 4.5+ was better with that...

and the soundesign (not quality) was much more complex with 4.5+ .... sounds like v5 has only 2 synth layers in edm music.... but hey.. i know.. it's AI 😉

[torn spoke]

indeed

[torn spoke]

Could you put the prompt/prompts that you've been using to get the sound you want in here? might be able to contribute

[hard beacon]

should i sent you it via DM ?

[torn spoke]

sure

[torn spoke]

And the more convoluted the workflow the more difficult it is to communicate too

[inner timber]

quick question -- did you change the voice models? I am getting very strange spoken voice behavior, right now incapable of generating anything than garbage (which is by the way funny garbage) on [spoken] instructions --- used to work just fine prior to today.

[torn spoke]

They announce the updates afaik, But there are many factors that could influence whether or not suno creates a podcast from hell or legible dialogue- are you attempting this in a new song or the same one?

[jade mist]

I hope v5 Max mode gets released very soon, its been nearly 3 weeks since it was accidentally leaked. I'm tired of v5 changing to 4.5+ behavior, for example this can be noted in edm, house, and disco gendres. V5 does actually very good music, and it never hallucinates spoken words, but when it's acting like 4.5 it more often than not hallucinates

[hard beacon]

edm with v5 is a desaster (song structure and lead synths)

i think suno inc. needs more beta testers for different genres

or alpha 😉

I just can't understand why nobody noticed the “ohohoho intro”... or maybe it just doesn't matter 🙂

[inner timber]

@torn spoke it's a song, ive done that many times with the same set of instructions in many songs, right now the spoken voice produces garbage. So it's either a change in the voice models (by the way some songs also playback right now with slightly different voices than before it's v subtle but I can notice it) --hence my question. Bug? I will wait. Not bug? I will be unhappy ;-)))

@hard beacon yes v5 is challenging on EDM but a few thousand credits later experimenting Ive been able to finally find the right sound I wanted. What's a little bit more frictionny for me is that there is no consitency (apparently) between models, took me a few months to get 4.5 right, and now I'm back to square one on v5. I love discovery however this costs me a few thousand credits each time ... awwwww

[hard beacon]

did you every try to create an extended version with a mixable dj intro ??? 😄

or a track without "oooh ohhh" in the beginning? 😉

[inner timber]

nope. just intro instructions in lyricsl like [Spoken: broken male voice] <insert lyrics here> [verse 1] etc ....

I've done that many times w success. Now it's like <spoken lyrics = complete garbahge randomly> and rest of song fine.

[hard beacon]

i bet you will spend 20.000 credits without creating a song with a mixable dj intro 😉

[inner timber]

actually not true. I've done that successfully in the past. DJ Studio for mixing and worked fine .... 😉

[hard beacon]

with v5 ???

[jade mist]

V5 is not acting as 5, same happened with 4.5 acting like 4

[inner timber]

good point, you are correct, not v5!

[hard beacon]

well.. 4.5+ can create mixable intro... v5 doesn't

[inner timber]

awwww the plot thickens 😉

[hard beacon]

😉

[jade mist]

Well the same happened with 4.5, v4 could create things 4.5 couldn't because it was a bad version of v4 labeled 4.5. It annoys me because it results people making yYoutube video immediately after release and then being uh, they fake advertice it, not great, this and this is better. Well, not true. Because when it's actually v5 it can speak with emotion. For example, in one of my comedy songs, i typed [Spoken] SING! and it did that with emotion. Also, one of my retro disco tracks sounded like Purple Disco machine's track when it was v5

[orchid magnet]

is suno studio offline

[hard beacon]

dunno...

[elder dune]

I'm suddenly not able to play any of my tracks on suno .. generation seems to work, but listening to the results the player freezes at 00:00

[quick dome]

no

[hard beacon]

on all devices ??

[sand basalt]

Since it was a short sequence I was able to fix by going into Legacy edit mode. You have to edit 6 seconds min instead of 2 seconds, and its a roll of the dice on the new clip matching the rest of the song, but thankfully it was a quieter section in my case and it did well.

[hollow hare]

If you are still having that issue, try clearing your cache or performing a cache-bypass reload #📚┃suno-school message

If that does not work, try going through #archived-ticket-help message and see if any of those may help

[elder dune]

Looks like I'm up and running after rebooting my laptop.

Just wanted to make sure it was on my end and not a system-wide thing before I went nuts trying to troubleshoot

[tawdry dawn]

Hey guys! I’m new here and using suno, I’m interested in doing music with Rufus du sol and BUNT style, I’ve been trying with lots of different prompts but do you have any prompt recommendations so I can get a little bit closer

[frozen dagger]

gonna be dggin around through EDM, Trance, House, Drum and Bass, etc etc, and then pull the technique's or things you like and detail those. i.e.
808 Bass builds and drops.
But gave it a listen and chatbot suggests something like this:
Ethereal electronic house with organic textures and emotional build. Deep bass, analog synths, ambient pads, and lush reverb. Smooth 4/4 groove, live drums blended with soft percussion. Evolving arpeggios and filtered chords that swell over time. Warm Rhodes keys, plucked guitar echoes, and layered atmospheric vocals that drift and repeat like a mantra. Extended progression with cinematic dynamics — starts minimal and intimate, then blossoms into a euphoric dance climax.

Structure:
Intro: Ambient textures, filtered synth arps, deep reverb space.
Verse 1: Soft vocal layers, minimal percussion, emotional tone.
Build: Gradual layering of rhythm and synths, tension rising.
Drop/Chorus: Full deep house groove, shimmering leads, euphoric energy.
Outro: Stripped down to pads and vocal echoes, slow fade.

kinda matches what i heard listening to RÜFÜS DU SOL - Innerbloom (BUNT. IN THE ROUND EDIT)

[hollow hare]

Have you checked with a chatbot for a list of musical subgenres and styles related to them?

Being very specific about the subgenre and mood should help you get close to it.
I like using https://rateyourmusic.com/genres for the genre hierarchical list but there are many sources out there you can use, like the music maps linked at https://treekipedia.mrtree.eu/index.php?title=Useful_links

[tawdry dawn]

Ah that’s amazing! Thank you! :))

[frozen dagger]

@hollow hare response is more teach you how to fish, less give you a fish. check that stuff out.

[elder dune]

You know what I've found helps with my prompts sometimes? I'll ask chatGPT. Specifically, if want to mimic the style of a particular artist, I'll ask chatGPT to "give me a Suno style prompt that will result in a song that resembles [for example] 'Play that funky music, white boy' by Wild Cherry. Only do not mention the artist or song by name - instead, describe the style in explicit detail" .. and GPT will give me a very nice detailed prompt to copy-paste into Suno

[inner timber]

okay so I found my bug --- basically the model is reading the music prompt as the spoken intro. Feels like a bee-u-gee to me 😉 it's okay, I just spent like 500 credits figuring this out ahaha

[tawdry dawn]

Yeah I tried with that but it sounded like 2012 EDM haha

[inner timber]

(looks like all AIs are completely hallucinating today, Grok Imagine is completely stuck in a cloudflare outage as well .... Claude times out too, the universe isn't compliant today)

[wet maple]

This was shared in r/SunoAI and its pretty good (and free for now): https://ai-suno-prompt-generator-203999970519.us-west1.run.app/

[tawdry dawn]

Ah thank you!!!

[neat nexus]

What range were you looking for as far as years?

[rich arrow]

Hello I have a question what should I do so that suno Studio understands that I only want a trumpet and nothing else

Because I have been sitting on it for an hour now and am slowly becoming desperate about the studio function

[wet maple]

Question for the channel - I posted this on reddit: [Suno AI] Vocal Style: what actually works (and what doesn’t) [discord not allowing me to post link for whatever reason] I was hoping for more feedback but I guess everyone is too busy down vote trolling or posting their 5th edm cover of the day.

Has anyone had success reproducing the same vox across multiple tracks consistently? In my experience, it is seemingly impossible. The only semblance of consistency has been to blow out the sliders and buff the audio to 100%, but then you compromise the track's composition and quality.

[frozen dagger]

im using a persona for the vocal right now. its doing pretty well imo. i don't expect 100%, it slik 75-80%. I had better success when i seperated the vocal stem, and made sure it had "no style" in the prompt when it was exported out.

[frozen dagger]

im waiting to see someone has a good answer for you here too. from what i seen can't create a track with single instrument. not in one shot like you'd think with the setup. it always adds drums or piano or something else. I've been trying to use "solo" or anything that can help isolate the desired sound/instrument as much as i can, but stem split is about the only option i have seen to grab the one instrument out of the track it generates.
but it's new and i don't know. hope there is a way. would be ideal.

[river rampart]

I switched from calling [chorus] tags to [hook] Got way less choral effects

[rich arrow]

Yes, that would be ideal because it's not fun at the moment

[wet maple]

In v4.5/4.5+ Persona was great, in v5, for me it has been the worst source of producing the vox desired. the only thing that comes close is to use Inspo with 4 vocal only steams that cover the range you are targeting, but even then I still need to buff it to 100% audio for any semblance of consistency (but the quality and composition of the track gets destroyed)

[frozen dagger]

inspo causes Frankenstein tracks.

[wet maple]

lmfao so accurate

[frozen dagger]

good for fresh ideas, not for seeking a quality gen

[wet maple]

how do you treat the audio slider when you are using persona to cover an audio track?

[frozen dagger]

rn im using it 25% for the audio influence. if i up to 85% it sounds more like the source (negligble imo) but it cuts short for me. i think for me it's because my persona vocal stem with no style and the song im using on have same lyrics. (shifted around, altered) so if i put audio too high it tries to emulate first "somg" too much. but i mean from 15% to 85% doesnt seem to matter much as far as the vocal (its a vocal stem tho, so traces still there from original.) rn im using the same style it was made in tho. lemme check a wild different one lol

so i jsut skimmed through 4 gens with country, pop... sounds like its still trying to use my persona, but i mean i took a rock/gospel styled vocal and told it country. for the voice inflections we would want but still keeping the tone of the persona, i think it did ok. its not voice cloning tech, so i dont expect it to sound like same person every time, but meh 45% similar to me.
gonna have to pull the slot machine tho.

[wet maple]

I really appreciate the thoroughness of you running through these details, this is very helpful. I think something you said is very understated and often what I need to remind myself that it’s not “voice cloning tech”. I think it’s really easy to get carried away in thinking that it is/should be (im guilty of it as well)

[frozen dagger]

not there... yet. its been a lot of progres over teh last year. looking forward to the tools we all get and what we all do with Suno VX

[wet maple]

Agreed. My end goal was to create an entire catalog spanning multiple albums all with the same vocal for continuity, identity, branding purposes but it doesn’t look like we’re there yet.

[eager siren]

thanks I will try that

[frozen dagger]

do-able, but combine other tools to get it. i feel that tho. i tried a similar thing early in like v3. gave up lol. not just on vocals consistency, but on trying to have full control. the beauty, for me, come a lot from the "oops" moments, or unintended consequences. Suno not a golden goose (again, not yet), but i get some shimmer nuggets from it that keep me coming back for more random. 🙂

[river rampart]

solo seems to always introduce guitars for me.

[plain pumice]

Anyone know how to apply fadeout in Studio?
Also, I'm curious, with regards to stem separation in the Studio, how is your experience with them?
Personally I don't find them to be that great, but definitely fast and work reliably. Likewise, Midis are not that great yet, and they're often with a variety of notation errors, like -2. Many notations are just not playable, but this is only the beginning, at has taken steps in the right direction in my opinion.

[karmic lake]

Thanks I'll try doing that it's just weird doing it on every version of the songs I do so I feel like im just wasting my money right now.

[frozen dagger]

i have been having an issue with using persona with v5 where a LOT of these gens lose... i'll call it vocal coherence... it's like they are mumbling the words. as if they forgot. they are unclear. its clear through a whole song with 4999/5000 character on all these gens until it gets to the end and then its like blah blah. barely intelligible. consitently happening. maybe something with the lyrics in my persona. just putting it out there in case others having same issue.

[wet maple]

I know this isnt your first rodeo since you've been at this a while, I'm assuming this is even with 'stage directions' in the meta tags?

[frozen dagger]

i still experiment. i try to do that sometimes. the v5 model is more conversational, like gpt, so talking to it like you are giving stage directions can produce results.
i use the magic wand to have it re-write sometimes too just so i can see what keywords and phrases it kept and what the model "sees" in the language i gave. but i try everything i can.

[neat nexus]

Have you tried creating a vocal stem and using that as a Persona to get closer to the vocals you want?

[plain pumice]

So I noticed, for some reason, many stems have a lot of hiss (digital noise), not sure if this is to simula background recording noise.
Any others who've experience this? Any known particular tags / tag types that cause this?

[wet maple]

Yes, that is specifically what I have tried and can't get it to reproduce the desired output.

[wet maple]

Even in the lyrics are you adding meta tags like [Outro - Dramatic organ chords, layered synthesizers fade, final echoed whisper "take on me", synth note fades to silence] or simply just [Fade Out]

I just detest Persona, every track generated all have the same, what I call the generic "Nickelback voice" I cant stand it

[frozen dagger]

i did not do in depth meta tags for this one. the lyrics are lengthy just about full with the few tags i put to keep sections organized when i take it into studio. it is either because the lyrics in the persona are mostly the same, but slightly different, causing a weird conflict, happens. or since it is same spot at song and it is trying to sing the words but they are just unintelligible. imagine the words being shaped from the latent space as it generates and its not fully processing them. just sounds like the ambient vocal noise you get from weird gens sometimes, partly formed tho. i was gonna use the persona voice to gen a track to a completely random, unrelated lyrics, to the song im working on and test how that worked. but i stopped the results im getting are 99% Suno is like betting on a parlay in sports, you always miss by 1.

[tepid moth]

Yes. Lately a lot, on both stems and full songs. Some of it is background recording noise as I hear on guitars and bass, but the mechanical noise and hiss that occurs frequently are destroying the vibe totally, and making it useless.

[neat nexus]

Huh. And you're using the sliders?

[wet maple]

Ofc. I also have very in-depth meta tags, stage directions, and run through 100s of prompt variations, and still that same generic timbre and inflection, the only success ive had was breaking out the sliders + 4 vocal stems of Inspo. Persona just doesn't capture it well enough either a) by design OR b) because the software needs to be trained on multiple iterations of the same vox to capture the true essence of timber, inflection, and tonality

[torn spoke]

So you're using a persona without that voice, and you're still getting that undesired voice?

[plain pumice]

Yes, full songs too.
I'm not sure if this is a simulated attempt to create this, as it appear in some styles of music.
I agree, it can destroy or at least negatively affect the intended outcome.
To me though, this seems totally artificial and digital, because when you denoise a stem, but listen to the actual noise, it's sounds very digital, and not analogue.

I used Ultimate Vocal Remover, which also works on instruments and other audio.
Personally, I find it a bit flawed to generate it all then stem separate, rather then create the instrument and vocal tracks separately to then join it.

[wet maple]

That is correct, yes.

[torn spoke]

Is this in the rap genre did you say?

[wet maple]

No it's mostly in metal, hard-rock, and other various sub-genres

[torn spoke]

ah I misread

hmm

One thing I'd recommend is to play around with time period and area of origin in the prompt, it changes the output drastically

could give you some different tembres

It's late so I haven't read up far enough to see if you mentioned that you had done that though

Oof, the double woodhouse shutdown, I feel your pain

[plain pumice]

That one is worse when it's in slowmo mode.

[torn spoke]

when in doubt, just **** the riskey words

[torn spoke]

heh

[eager siren]

infortunatly this didnt do the trick
Suna can't help but switch from "death metal" to "pop rock" wehter I write chorus/refrain/hook
this is very boring because the rest of the song is pretty damn right

[wet maple]

Dude I dont even know what I said to get the timeout hammer

All I said was the closest ive got to > 95% replication of the desired vocal output is to use Inspo + 4 vocal stems + 100% audio.

But 8/10 itll get 1 min (or less) into the song and skip or just self destruct

I didnt even use any questionable words there^

Woodhouse can go suck a wet fart

[flint haven]

it was because of the sentence i want to die

[torn spoke]

Have you had little success with extending from right before it breaks down?

[wet maple]

Yet, I removed that part the second time around and you still gave me a time-out...so?

[flint haven]

No logs say you tried to post it 3 times. Sorry, but this is an automatic trigger. Fully automatic.

[wet maple]

Is there a science to using the 'extend' feature, because every time I do, its like two completely different songs

[wet maple]

You sit on a throne of lies, Woodhouse, a throne of lies...

[flint haven]

sorry for explaining what happened. Logs don't lie 🤷

[plain pumice]

Difficult for Logs (trees) to lie 😅

[dapper stirrup]

I am wondering if Suno is acknowledging the differences made since Sunday and are going to ever fix them? It's like it was smart in blending genres and now it takes a left turn every single iteration? Also it ignores intro instructions, rarely gets through the lyrics correctly, and makes noticeable glitches almost every time

[plain pumice]

I needed to fix an guitar outro, so used the remix feature in studio, selected the track and the guitar outro piece, use the same style as the main track - the output - A full track, with it's own invented lyrics.... "Deny Us"- on repeat. What's not to love about that, the track it made sounds awesome. Though I didn't actually get the guitar outro, but instead a new song to work on 😅

[river rampart]

only other thing is to do more positive tags for singing style, both in lyrics and style guides. Try and avoid anything choir adjacent.

[eager siren]

do you mean changing [Chorus] to [Chorus - harsh male vocal ] ?

[river rampart]

I'd avoid the chorus tag altogether, its etymologically rooted in choir as in "section for everyone to sing"
I'd pepper the style with lyrical guidance, clean delivery, crisp vocals, harsh pronunciation - lots of lyrical guidance not related to choirs and then yes also put those in the in line tags.

I have also heard that naming a persona of a singer works well, but I have not tried it, closest I have done is prompting [hook: Lead singer, double-time] or whatever. Ask an LLM for some fancy latin words, a lot of music is rooted in latin. (I am not musical this has been a process of discovery)

[eager siren]

thanks a lot for the advices I will try that :)

[river rampart]

If you scroll up a BUNCH I was having a convo yesterday with @tawdry scarab and he dropped one of his songs which made me question how I use lyrical tags altogether!

[plain pumice]

Sangderenard, is using a different style of prompting, I'd labels the song's prompt in question as "Multi-Movement Classical Blueprint", and generally "Procedural Audio Prompting". Essentially, you can use various syntax and formats as long as you stay consistent - consider the track's lyric prompting field as a painting canvas you paint on, because you're basically imprinting the language and instructions to it. What I've been able to work out, at least that is what it seems like how it's operating under the hood - An inheritance-based model similar to what you see in coding.

[proven cedar]

Have a doubt: every file that is in create/workspace is in library too? If i delete a file from library i am deleting it from create/workspace?

[plain pumice]

This was the one I used for 4.0 and 4.5, and still use for v.5, and it works well.

[tawdry scarab]

This is why it's best to encourage experimentation without specifics, because it will infer almost any consistent syntax

so you want people to develop their own style that's in harmony with where they're coming from and what they want to accomplish

[plain pumice]

Yes, I agree, however structure is needed, and not everyone has the knowledge to build this / these structure(s).
Therefore, giving a generic example, gives a base to work from.

[summer badger]

anyone know if it is possible to generate sound effects within the music through prompts? Been trying to get it to produce hammer on anvil sounds as part of the downbeat for percussion but so far no luck. (I even tried to make a percussion track that was specifically various metal striking metal sounds hoping it would produce some sort of metallic percussive sound)

[tawdry scarab]

it's possible but neither super common to succeed nor is it often a musical element but rather just a moment

[plain pumice]

I think your best bet, is to source the sound sample(s) you need, with the proper usage and/or commercial legal rights, then use Suno Studio or any DAW post generation and insert it as needed.

[summer badger]

thank you both. Much appreciated.

[plain pumice]

You're welcome, sometimes it's just better to go straight to the conventional solution, than trying to bust your head and time over and over, without getting to your solution... I think many overthink this, including myself - trying to solve the problem only through Suno. Of course, if you're basically doing it as a one generation -> deployment, then of course it's a different matter.

[summer badger]

Do you think that if I recorded my anvil and hammer strikes at 120 bpm and uploaded, would it be able to generate in a song if i did a cover or remix somehow or am i overthinking it still?

[frozen dagger]

if you get a clean upload sample, Studio not an option for you to just place the sample on a new track with the track you want and place where you want it? that sounds more feesible then uploading anvil strike sample and running it through cover. not having it altered by iteration randomness?

[plain pumice]

I think definitely a clean sample will help, but if Suno will even reuse the sound from the sample during the song/audio, I'm not sure.
But I'm pretty sure you can get Suno to insert it where you want, UNLESS you're using Suno Studio, it will be difficult to what you want to do.

What you could do, is upload the sound sample, while doing a cover with it as an audio source.
Another option, would be to use sound sample and use the cover function and have it create an instrumental or a track with lyrics, this would likely create a track that will use the sound effect as core element of the track.

But it really depends on approach, from what it sounds like, I think you want it to recognize is at a named object that you in your prompt can try to trigger.
I don't think you can do this, but if you can, then I stand corrected.

[near flume]

Yes, workspaces are just "folders" for grouping songs together. There's only 1 version of each song generated.

[proven cedar]

Thanks for the answer

Other doubt: i deleted three personas i did, but i cant delete permanently neither the personas nor the music made with them.

I wonder either , that it would be nice if we could batch download like we could batch delete

[summer badger]

thank you again. I'll try a couple ways (I only have access to the second level of Suno, and am trying to decide if i should take the plunge and deep dive into the editing part or not) I'll try recording when i can borrow one of my buddy's sound recorder. @plain pumice @frozen dagger

[plain pumice]

UNLESS, you've actually saved another version of the song through EITHER Suno Editor or Suno Studio.

[undone bronze]

anybody having issues with v5? its been putting out garbage for the last two hours for me. i used v4.5pro and that seemed to be working fine. but v5 has been putting out v1.5 results for me in the last two hours or so. it was working perfectly prior.

[wet maple]

Dude thank you for sharing this, absolute game changer. I was using this example as a foundation to build off on: https://github.com/stayen/suno-reference/tree/main but it doesn't have nearly the descriptors you've laid out here. I can already hear the improvement in the production quality just from a couple of gens using your template as a foundation 🙌

[near flume]

I have been able to delete Personas and still have songs made with them active.

[near flume]

been working just fine since 7pm

[undone bronze]

its working fine now👍

[plain pumice]

I'm happy it helped you.
You're not the first to have found it to be of great help - a game changer.
The thing is, structure is important, but if you don't use it right, it won't be as effective.
So you have to apply so principles to it for it to be as effective as possible.

It would be great to see what the actual optimal prompting styles and techniques should be.

[native ibex]

I made a really good reggae song in Suno. When I tried to remaster it, I saw that there were new options, none of which seemed better than the remastering done in v4.5. Has this happened to anyone else?

[frozen dagger]

from what ive seen people are not satisfied with remaster as is. at least now it gives us a choice of 3 strength levels. get closer to what you want without trying to use another program or something to master.

[plain pumice]

This may be more helpful than what I've shared so far.
Basically the one I shared earlier works in v5, but works more to reinforce already established imprinting or imprinting from the style prompt.
You can basically use the same style prompt and similar advanced slider settings, and you will get something that will sound similar or recognizeable.

So if you use the one I shared before, you can reinforce style prompting in the lyrics prompting.
Note, v5 style prompt uses prose language rather than descriptive tags, but the lyrics prompt take descriptive tags - otherwise it will sing unless you format it in a cerrtain way. Also it's important to keep in mind that word phonetics, cadence and rhythmic flow, also affect how the end result will be.

[tired forge]

Okay. So this is probably a stupid question, but how is it that you can get versions of the same song that are a good difference in length? Like I had a version that was 3:19 and the other was 3:46. Is it common to get such a large gap in time between two versions of the same song?

[untold briar]

Between Covers, you mean, or just the same prompt? If it's the same prompt I'd expect even more difference.

[tired forge]

The same prompt. I wasn't sure. I've had different results with time of course, but not as big as that before.

I preferred the sound of the longer one though, so that's the one I kept and posted to my YouTube channel.

Thank you for answering so quickly.

[untold briar]

Covers also vary in speed, but that surprises me personally even though it makes sense Suno would want to do that. It's not rare to see a Cover be different. I'm just impressed the AI can do that!

[tired forge]

I've never tried to do a cover, so I have no experience with that, though it makes some sense.

[untold briar]

Covers and other features are very cool not just for Covers. You can make a "Cover" of a random song with completely new lyrics and style prompt, the song won't usually sound like a Cover at all, but the Cover you chose will still influence the music overall. Technically features like Persona and Inspo are meant for that, but there is a lot of overlap.

[quiet solar]

I wouldn't say it's common, but it definitely happens. Often the culprit is an extended instrumental break; for me that happened from time to time at/after the end of the song in earlier versions. Sometimes it may insert a short instrumental motif after every verse. I've even had one version do half-time verses, which whacked a lot of extra time on.

Suno doesn't target a specific length for the song, so variations in length are expected. Sometimes they'll be a lot bigger than others.

[tired forge]

Oh okay. Did not know that

[torn spoke]

I can share the strategies I have

Right now I'm wanting to replace an entire first verse, but I want to keep the instrumental intro, and I want the voice to match the voice in the chorus.

00.00.00 - 00:13.4 [Instrumental] 
00:13.4 - 00:54.09 [Verse 1]  (replace)
00:54.09 - 01:33.60 [Chorus] 

This is how I would go about this

First I'd crop the song, and make a persona with just the chorus.
Then I'd extend the original song from 00:13.4

Now the important thing, is to leave the lyrics of the chorus the same. The persona doesn't know what verse 1 is supposed to sound like in terms of melody, cause the chorus has a different melody than the verse.

By using the chorus persona, I am damn near guaranteeing (yes yes, despite my repeated claims of no guarantees) that the chorus will stay in the same ballpark.

This means that the model will be "tricked" into using the same voice for the new verse. Even if that verse doesn't have the same pacing as the original verse.

Later, either in studio or in a DAW, I can simply replace the new chorus, with the old one. Because the beat and pacing will be the same.

When I want to have the model stay close to the original sound, these are the sliders I use.

This strategy works fairly well for when you want to replicate aspects of a song, within that same song. Say, if you want to have verse 2 sound like verse 1. I would create a persona from the first verse. And extend from right after the first chorus, with that persona.

Will this give perfect results? No, nothing will. Will it improve the consistency? Yes, by a huge amount.

I find that persona's do really well as long as the lyrics are the same, or the lyrics have the same syllable rhythm.
If you want to give the persona an easier time adjusting to the new lyrics, try to check that the rhythm of the words match up.
Say you want to replace this line:
What's the deal with the devil. If you change it to Whatever is the trial, even though the number of syllables are the same, they don't match up.
If you instead change it to Where’s a man with a shovel, the model will have a much easier time staying consistent with its original sound, because it can stick with the original rhythm lyrically.

[eager siren]

t h i s , i s, a m a z i n g ! 🤩 🙏

[torn spoke]

This let's me essentially completelly redesign the first verse, leaving the intro completely untouched. It also heavily influences the model to line the end of the new verse, up to the previous chorus seamlessly, making a chorus replacement a breeze later on.

[graceful condor]

Really Suno at this point makes no sense anymore. it is like having a schizophrenic partner at your side. I generated 2 songs perfect in one go, no extend, no gibberish even in V5 and long ones like 6+ min.

Then I need to do an Extend on another song only a short outro. 5 only gibberish but at least an Ending (not usable) and 4.5+ starts the song more or less all over again. Singing stuff which are not existing. I freakin hate this so much. I tried Slider off and up and down. Makes no freakin difference. I changed the Outro from this:

[Outro] [Arrangement: Heavy band cuts abruptly. Only refrigerator hum remains. Heavy chains rattle one last time] [Vocals: A final, soft, exhausted whisper, ambiguous, haunting] The final lock... is on the door. But is the monster... here... or next door? (The humming stops. Absolute silence)

to this:

[End Scene]
[Arrangement: Full stop. Band cuts mid-beat; one metallic rattle echoes.]
[Vocals: One last weary whisper, fading instantly]
The final lock... clicks in the dark.
Was the monster me... or just next door?
[Arrangement Note: Song ends completely after this section. Do not repeat any earlier parts.]

or this:

[Final Segment]
[Arrangement: Band stops on downbeat. Low hum and faint metal clatter fade slowly, like breath leaving a room.]
[Vocals: Whispered, broken, introspective tone, trailing into silence]
The final lock... clicks in the dark.
Was the monster me... or just next door?
(The hum fades. Silence holds.)

but the outcome is every time the same. He is dragging on the song like an annoying dumb stubborn child.

[torn spoke]

I've never had much success being hyper specific with effects in the lyric sections, does it usually work for you?

[torn spoke]

#📚┃suno-school message

[graceful condor]

You mean me? right?

[torn spoke]

Yes

[graceful condor]

Depends. In certain cases it worked really well or closely to what I wanted.

[torn spoke]

Could you try this? [Vocals: Sottovoce, Perdendosi] The final lock... clicks in the dark.

[graceful condor]

Okay I guess something happened and now all of a sudden after a couple of 5 fails first and a wave of 4.5+ fails I tried 5 again and now all literally all Extends do not have any gibberish at all. It is so weird. Maybe I hit the right spot. I removed the whole style. Only left this version in the lyrics:

[Final Segment]
[Arrangement: Band stops on downbeat. Low hum and faint metal clatter fade slowly, like breath leaving a room.]
[Vocals: Whispered, broken, introspective tone, trailing into silence]
The final lock... clicks in the dark.
Was the monster me... or just next door?

And sliders at 17/50/60

[torn spoke]

Removing styles or setting styles to 0 tends to make it a lot more consistent for me at least. But when the model simply produces glitched content I try to strip away variables until it works again, and then slowly reintroduce them

[graceful condor]

Out of curiosity I tried your version with 4.5+ but I guess it is a glitch with this song because he generated again way too long songs back at Verse 1 again

[Vocals: Sottovoce, Perdendosi]
The final lock... clicks in the dark.
Was the monster me... or just next door?

[torn spoke]

Are you extending in studio or in the create UI?

[graceful condor]

Create ui.

[torn spoke]

Nicu

[river rampart]

relatable content. Also breaks are important.
I spent 2000 credits getting a track perfect this week and then ultimately went back to a version from 1000 credits earlier, which I hadn't realised was good because I had been listening to it for too long.

[river rampart]

This is always a pain. I spent ages earlier this week trying to stop filling a song with guitar solos. Over 50% of the song in the end and its so hard to cut them out neatly.

[torn spoke]

Suno really is a dice roll at the end of the day

all we do is put weights in the dice

corny i know, but I've been writing about dice for hours now, it's leaking through

[dull kite]

Helloo everyone. Hope someone willing to give me advice. I upload my original songs (piano and vocal). I want to cover it insturmentally and turn vocal note to solo violin. My problem is i want the structure, melody is excatly same with my original song. but suno always create a different. Already try 100% audio influence, same thing, always have some different in some part of structure. I left lyric column empty. i use V5

[near flume]

You'll never get 100% adherence to the original because of the use of generation seeding in the model. This is done purposely so you don't have the risk of identical songs being created by different users or making an exact copy of someone else's music. It can be a pain when you want to duplicate your own music, but that's how it is.

[dull kite]

Ouch ... how if i separate the vocal and instrument then i create persona of it?

[quick sonnet]

Never say never, it's just very ulikelly. Have shown some example, when suno generated at leas 10 tracks sound exactly the same.

[dull kite]

ah im forget, cant create persona from uploade audio

[dull kite]

motivated me to keep create until get most accurate

[near flume]

But they aren't "exactly" the same.

[dull kite]

Yes

already try 10 time generate

even when i export individual track (piano and vocal) from my DAW and put it to suno studio

[south igloo]

Probably not the right section but it's somewhat technical - how do I completely elliminate vocals in a track? My lyrics section is empty, I added 'clean singing, vocals, choruses' in the Exclusion field, and I still get vocal intros on pretty much every track, I am running out of ideas... (p.s. only on v 5.0)

[vestal flame]

wow, I hate that auto-delete censor thing

[south igloo]

What just happened 🙂

[vestal flame]

I wrote a paragraph explaining my issue, included one swear cuz of frustration, auto-censor bot insta-deleted it so now I have to re-type the whole speil...

[south igloo]

Ah so I'm not the only one with this issue

[vestal flame]

this is the only server I've ever been in with a censor bot so it's insanely hard to remember I cant use very basic language...

[torn spoke]

Rule of thumb, always copy the long ones before pressing enter, just in case

so you don't need to feel the pain

like i have so many times

[torn spoke]

I remember when 4.5 used to have an "Instrumental" mode

those were the days

if it's not there anymore, I suggest you just put [Instrumental] in the lyrics section

[south igloo]

Oh let me try that

[vestal flame]

anyway, I aint typin alll that out again, my problem boils down to it simply not reading the word "Lives" in any correct way. it just keeps saying Leaves, or Leaf, or Laive which isnt a [insert nonoword] real word.... and I've no idea why it cant just say the line the way it's spelled..

https://suno.com/song/900bd55d-bedc-41eb-b118-b499ff523370

example of what it keeps doing^

[torn spoke]

in the lyrics, do you use a capital L?

[vestal flame]

I do not

[south igloo]

Nope I still get humms, aahs, vocalising intro :\

[torn spoke]

hmm, there goes that idea

[south igloo]

Dark Norse Scandinavian Ritual Folk, Viking Cinematic, Ominous. Thundering frame drums with heavy reverb and primal percussion. Low, droning ambient synths provide a deep bass layer. Features a hypnotic, repetitive melody.

https://suno.com/s/RL4ULoR0xdjUnX80

[torn spoke]

uhh, try to write "lieves"

or "lie-ves" or "lie'ves"

[torn spoke]

I see, mr forest

;)

[vestal flame]

well I'm trying to get it to say lives as is "IT LIVES" yknow

[torn spoke]

ohh

and it's saying "leaves"?

[vestal flame]

it doesnt make sense to me either

[torn spoke]

try with two v's

livves

[vestal flame]

yea theat worked like a charm

wack

[torn spoke]

[vestal flame]

but thank you

[torn spoke]

yw c:

[frozen dagger]

i ran some gens using your first few gave smae errors. liv-s worked too

[polar spade]

/refresh

[flint haven]

Free Credits Refresh

Refreshes at 0000 UTC+0 (<t:1712880000:t> local Daylight Saving Time)

[torn spoke]

wait... WAT

[frozen dagger]

i ran into same problem with same wword, but i was tryign to get Live like eye

[torn spoke]

did you just get more suno credits?

/refresh

[flint haven]

Free Credits Refresh

Refreshes at 0000 UTC+0 (<t:1712880000:t> local Daylight Saving Time)

[vestal flame]

well with you're help I finished the outro so the song is ready! ^.^

[polar spade]

I'd like to joke and say yes... Trick or treat!

But no. That just reminds us when the next refresh time is.

[torn spoke]

Imagine the command spam if people thought that

o boy

[polar spade]

Something to do on April Fools Day. 🤣

[vestal flame]

https://suno.com/s/jmTOG06DK9MHCGzh

[frozen dagger]

"you're the best darn thing i ever made"
nice line in there 😉

[vestal flame]

xD

ty ^.^ why that line stick out? just cuz swear or

[vestal flame]

cuz, if just cuz swear, you'll find my song Hunting far more... vocal... XD

https://suno.com/s/n4auq2YD0gxgkM58

is basically one of the team members crashing-out against the other three xD

[wet maple]

this is awesome, thank you for sharing!

[pine harness]

Hey all. Anyone managed to get their 4.5 persona's to sound the same after the V5 launch...really struggling to get the same sound...weirdly it's not so much the voice, that's good, it's the instruments and general composition of the song. The same prompt + persona + new lyrics would give me a consistent sound, now after 5 it's just...different. Just me? Any insights on what settings to try? (I moved those sliders all over the place burning credits)

[frozen dagger]

when i let song play and turned my attention back to what i was working on, that line did catch my attention lol. keep creating!

[wet maple]

weve had enough of your lies, Woodhouse.

[vestal flame]

xD lol it's a real moment for sure xD

[ivory peak]

For god's sake!!! Remove the auto-style complete when a persona is added. It keeps overwriting the style that was put there. Seriously. It's so annoying. I've lost so many credits for not paying attention there.

[slate egret]

Hey ya'll. I'm kinda new to SUNO. I'm trying to test it out as a production tool but having mixed results. I'd like to use it to make samples or to get ideas but a lot of the stems and midi files I get are sorta hard to work with. Does anyone have any tips or guidance?

Theres also been a few stems with interesting chord progressions that I'd like to use but they always have the leads over them that aren't always usable. I'd like to just be able to sample the chord progressions.

[true carbon]

i would like suggestions, i made a track that you can find here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbHmYg4t2QE, i feel that it will be hard to obtain better vocals on Suno! Process for that track beat made in FL studio, uploaded on SUNO then generate vocals over it.. Took many to achieve it then i sent it back to FL modify drums, did some mastering... Anyway my questoin, if i want to reuse the vocals of that track, should i import only vocals without music? I don't want to be stuck with that ''melody'' but i would like to keep that rap voice how would you do tht a?

when i say vocals .. i mean different lyrics, maybe even different rhytmes, is it possible ?

[autumn crag]

Hi everyone!

Can anyone help with how to prompt SUNO to transpose up a key on a particular part of a song?
What is the standard measurement SUNO can understand; is it semitones, or "key," or is there anything else?

Also, is that possible to tell SUNO to make a song in a specific key? For example, if I want to tell SUNO to play in F Major.

[unborn hound]

Having issues with song generations. The last few weeks, my songs start ok, but then it starts incorporating my voice/instrumental prompts into the lyrics, singing them as if they are part of the lyrics! I have emailed several times, and cannot get a reply. Anyone having this issue, and have you found a successful fix?

[half dragon]

Not guarantee but if you specified in the prompt, you might have more chance to get it in that key.

[radiant thorn]

I will sell my kidney for a prompt that will generate something without reverb

[neat nexus]

Can you post a sample of your [Metatags] in your lyrics that get sung?

[hollow hare]

Are you using (parenthesis) for those directions? Because you should not. Typically they are used for backup vocals so, if the AI sings it out loud, well that's likely why.

One reason why you may see directions being surrounded by [square brackets]

[polar spade]

I've used Suno for awhile and haven't see a reliable prompt. When I try, I add in prompts of genres or era (such as 70s soft rock) to try to nudge a moderated bit.

Hmm... 70s rock, anthematic,, CCM, musical, jazz, improvisation.
As often as I see "key change", harmonic shift, or modulation, from others, I don't find anything consistent to show association from these prompts yet. As Suno progresses, this could easily change.

[torn spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-time-david-tennant-wobbly-timey-wimey-stuff-gif-8120490

suno ^

[unborn hound]

It's not singing any prompts that are embedded with the lyrics, it is actually grabbing stuff from the "Style" section, where I have placed voice and music style instructions.

[neat nexus]

This is a big hint. For some reason many GPTs try to use parenthesis as metatag instructions and it causes these types of issues.

[neat nexus]

Oh wow. Yeah, I've run into this a time or two. Don't have a solution yet.

[polar spade]

Actually, Sunos favorite key range I think is around F Major. I'm in D and Suno always generates step up. Haha. Makes me struggle for it when I try singing my own songs.

[polar spade]

Looks like you're getting some great hints. Yea. Post the how-to questions here. We have a great group of seasons users to help out. We'll done.

[neat nexus]

I'm kicking that up with a question about it to the internal chat for model discussion. If you might be willing to share a few of these generations it would be easier for the Team to try to trace back the behavior?

[autumn crag]

I've spent hundreds of credits on this, but I don't find it works unfortunately. 🙁

Here is the problem I encountered:

The audio was recorded with a male voice; the key he sang is quite high for the female octave range.
Now, I am going to cover the audio with my persona, which is a female voice.
The result is the vocal sings in an inconsistent octave, in which some parts of the vocal take the lower octave, but then suddenly sing in an octave higher on some other parts. To make it consistent, I should lower the key by -4 semitones to meet a female octave range.

Is that possible to tell SUNO to make the song at a lower key than the uploaded audio?
It is okay if I can't mention a specific key. How about semitones, like "Please transpose -4 semitones from the original audio?"

[neat nexus]

One more thought though...what are you setting your sliders to?

[polar spade]

If we use phrases in the style box, Suno will sometimes pick those up sometimes as, like, "producer tags" and pepper them in, especially in the beginning of a song.

[frozen dagger]

you can attempt with prompts, with (very) limited succes, or you can transpose tracks (or seperated vocals) in Studio

[autumn crag]

That's what I plan to do in case there is no way to make a cover from the beginning with a specific key.
Thank you for looking into my concern. I really appreciate that.

[unborn hound]

Many times I set weird slider to 0, and the other all the way up.

[half dragon]

Try adjusting the Audio Influence slider higher to stay close to the uploaded audio.
Or, if you have access to Studio, then you can do it after the fact, load the generated song and change it in there.

[neat nexus]

Weirdness doesn't mean what people think it means.

[unborn hound]

Looks like I'm setting weirdness to -50, all the way left.

[autumn crag]

That seems the best solution we could have at this moment. 🙂

[neat nexus]

Right.

People who try to turn it off or ramp it all the way up into chaos mode don't do themselves any favors. The best thing to do is adjust from the defaults and try to nudge things in the direction you want to go. Setting these too high or too low just causes the AI to have issues.

It can still be useful which is why I use it but adjust with care.

For instance at the beginning of creating something I will sometimes creep higher in the weirdness to get 'experimental' and get a wider range of creativity. When I am trying to cover something that has what I'm looking for I'll turn it down a bit to keep it within the range of what exists.

This is all like cooking a pot of soup though. Taste, adjust. Taste, adjust.

Makes for a lot of dirty spoons if you do it right but you're less likely to overseason.

[unborn hound]

That makes a lot of sense, thank you and @polar spade for all your help!

[fair adder]

um i don't really know where to say this but as i was browsing through some save prompts i had i noticed that only the style prompt was copied now, not the lyrics. is this normal? i haven't checked this feature in a while and i remember you could save lyrics too. i'd be sad if it were not the case anymore, especially for some ideas i couldn't save elsewhere...

[autumn crag]

If you ever generate a song from your lyric and prompt, you can just visit them again to copy-paste what you had in the past.

[neat nexus]

Hmmm...

I always save my prompts and lyrics to a text file. So I hadn't noticed.

[autumn crag]

Me too, after learned my lesson. xD

[fair adder]

yeah unless i've already cleared them from the trash or they are just lost somewhere there... that's not really the point, but it seems it is the only solution. 🙄

[plain pumice]

So very true, and can relate to that too.

[neat nexus]

The nice thing about Suno is that as long as you generated it at least once and haven't thrown it in the trash it is still possible to climb back using the previous outputs.

But yeah...was a learning experience for me too!

[half dragon]

This feature seems broken for me for a while - so I don't use it anymore, I save them myself out side of Suno.

[fair adder]

my bad i was just experimenting and didn't think of saving this particular prompt in a text file

[autumn crag]

Maybe you can try to access your trash bin?

[fair adder]

yeah yeah that's what i'm gonna do :3

[autumn crag]

Who knows, there are songs you've deleted in the past still there.

[fair adder]

with more than 200 pages in the trash yeah it's surely still there somehow xD

mmh maye i should point out the search feature for the trash in the suggestion channel. might be very useful if you're looking for something you trashed and would like to check again for any reason, archiving or inspiration

[analog pivot]

So I'm having problems I'm trying to change the image of the song background music but my picture won't upload

[autumn crag]

I got your feeling. There is sometimes a normal picture that's considered NSFW, which then causes it to fail to load. xD
The broken response from SUNO is to let it fail instead of prompting the user that their image is denied. So, it will look like connection issues instead of a server refusal response.

[plain pumice]

It's good practice to keep your work stored locally, this is one of those times where you can feel better because you did 😅🤞

[analog pivot]

It's been happening to every song

This is the 1 I'm trying to upload

[slate egret]

might be too large of a file?

[analog pivot]

Maybe

[autumn crag]

Hmm... That is a very beautiful image. I don't think there is any way the system considers it as NSFW.

[autumn crag]

You need to have a minimum height of 720 px. What is the image dimension size?

[analog pivot]

I'll look

[plain pumice]

By the way, if you use the same exact prompts - Lyrics, Style, Exclude - same slider settings, what do you think happens? Because style prompt and slider settings affect the majority of the sonic foundations, which also means the musical cadence and flow.

[neat nexus]

Try this resized version and see if it works.

[autumn crag]

Well, you will get a lot of songs related to the prompt you've submitted, with variants depending on your slider setting.

[plain pumice]

I've tested it with the same style and exclude but different lyric prompts, different slider settings - if you listen and pay attention to the musical flow and underlying tonality changes, they will follow the same pattern.

[analog pivot]

I'll have to try when I get home

When I click upload image and select nothing happens that's all

[neat nexus]

I've had images simply refuse to load. They seem to and then I save it and it doesn't show up. The answer is usually the size of the image for me.

[analog pivot]

Yea nothing is happening that's all

[polar spade]

Yea. So far: the bookmark no longer saves lyrics or exclude prompts anymore. And my last test 3 weeks ago, it was poor to save prompts. May be improved now, I don't know.

[analog pivot]

So I tried having it generate a image to the song but it didn't worked

[plain pumice]

My recommendation is always to keep your own backup, for example because they change things, data losses, etc.
@fair adder It seems you're already doing it, but if not, it would be a good idea to begin 🙂

[neat nexus]

Which is a good reminder for me to grab my backup drive in a few minutes and backup again...

[analog pivot]

OK

[dull kite]

Finally made it. Though it took a lot of struggle.

[twin thistle]

Hi Everyone, my first message here... first time using Discord.

I need help with prompting Suno to pronounce Farsi words correctly. I have used Suno for the past 3 months and only create Iranian music. It's very difficult, challenging, frustrating, and costly to get Suno to sing Farsi lyrics correctly. But, the output once I get it to do it the right way, it's just pure magic and incredible.

The past week, I have tried unsuccessfully over 20 times, 40 versions, to get Suno to pronounce a few words correctly in a lyrics... so I finally gave up and said I need professional help 🙂

My apologies in advance if this is the right place/channel are of Suno/Discord to ask for help on this.

[hollow hare]

Pronounciation can be a pain. The best thing to do is spell it out phonetically and hope that the AI pronounces it properly.

You can ask a chat LLM for a list of phonetically spelling of [word] in Farsi and English (the latter will likely give better rates for how you want it pronounced since the majority of the training supervision was likely English songs)

E.g. he lived [liv'd] vs she's live [liev, lye-v, etc.]

You can edit the displayed lyrics in the end to the actual spelling once everything is done

[neat nexus]

You can try using one of the free GPTs to rewrite the lyrics phonetically for you. You don't have to manually do it yourself.

[twin thistle]

Thanks Lumine, I have tried various methods and yes many times asking ChatGPT for help. I also write the lyrics on my iPhone with full vowels where anyone who knows Farsi can easily read the words. What's frustrating that it pronounces the word, for example, once in one section of the song or a version, and next time it does it wrong in a newer version or a different part of the song. I have actually created 5 perfect songs over two months with so much pain 🙂 -- but this last one is jut amazing how it can't do it 🙂 ... Well it's A.I. and not human

the problem is that I need the Songs to be almost perfect so that the listeners focus the music and the lyrics and not A.I. pronouncing words wrong...

[frozen dagger]

Farsi, hindi, etc have to many dialects from being anceint language, add that to the random nature of iteration and you get lucky, but you can definitely help guide it by using phonetic spellings. Use chatbots like gpt to help, get creative. Same thing with heteronyms.

[neat nexus]

I managed to do it with Latin.

phonetic spelling:

Ah-dee-YOO-roh teh
Nay AHN-tay TEM-poos SOO-oom ah-MOH-rem ek-SHEE-tess

actual Latin spelling:

Adiuro te
Ne ante tempus suum amorem excites

[twin thistle]

yes, you are right, I just need luck at this point 🙂 The main problem is the Suno model, it appears, has been trained with a mix of Farsi song from Iran, Afghanistan, and other countries that speak Farsi, so it gets confused and mixes the accents and how the words are pronounced in a typical/std songs from Iran.

[twin thistle]

Did you write the entire song lyrics in Latin (Ah-dee-YOO-roh teh), or just a few words? Also, why the mix of lowercase and uppercase letters?

[frozen dagger]

right. in the end, with anything a.i., you have to "think" like a machine. it does not discern the same differences. only association and strengths of those associations.
it can be very frustrating. you found yourself in the right spot where we all looking for ways to workaround and find alternate solutions.

[neat nexus]

It was only a few words. The idea was to use the Latin as a hook. The captialization was for emphasis I think. It worked well for me.

[twin thistle]

thanks and Will give a try. At least the vocalist is not getting at mad me by asking her to sing the song over and over again to get it perfect, it's just costing money with every try... which is all good. Well we have to spend all the money we have on A.I. before it Kills us all 🙂

[neat nexus]

LMAO.

[fallen frigate]

🥭

[neat nexus]

Depending on which plan you're on, using the credits gets harder and harder because you and the AI both get better and better at these things over time.

[frozen dagger]

i wrote a song with Suno using sanskrit. I do not speak hindi, or anything close. I woudln't really know the nuanced differences. I did notice the differences when I generated multiple tracks using the same sanksrit written lyrics. As far as which pronunciation is "correct", I am ignorant. To your point of focusing on the music. My take away was to focus on the music, the sound, the shape, the vibe. The intention was a mantra to Kali for myself and it does the trick for me. So, as an outsider looking in. I would probably enjoy your music and the same detail the troubles you I probably would not notice.

[polar spade]

You may wish to ping the OP

[twin thistle]

I am not complaining at all about Suno as an incredible toll. I have created songs that never thought possible, all without needing to deal with a band, singers, musicians, etc.

[frozen dagger]

The aliens will be here first.

[neat nexus]

Dude...we are the aliens.

This whole simulation is them trying to find a way to communicate with us but we're hecking weird man....

[frozen dagger]

seriously dont get me started. its my whole project rn XD. Freaking too much No Man's Sky.

[neat nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-gif-27604173

[polar spade]

It's not all about the word itself but how Suno divides all the words that it might mispronounce one from all the others. There's no way to know.

Is the phrase that the word is in the same? If yes, then how wide is that phrase. The more similar the phrase, probably the better.

With "various methods" does that include going into the edit ui's and 1) aligning lyrics then 2) replace, at the least, the full phrase with the exact same phrase.?

[twin thistle]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions... really appreciated. Will see how it does 🙂

[torn spoke]

What do you mean? Those curves are wayyy to spicey

just look at them

[raw oasis]

Suno (I) made an amazing guitar solo I want to learn note for note (by ear some), wondering if Melodyne polyphonic mode standard edition can give me enough info - or might be faster to upgrade Melodyne (to highest tier) to get more note for note out of the gate. thoughts? But either way I downloaded the stems and got them in Studio One now. thanks

I think now that I got just the stem I should be able to slow it down in DAW ala Eddie Van halen and listen to the notes.

[autumn crag]

Use the 'marking' (I don't know how to say it in English), like you are writing Arabic for the Qoran.
In the prompt, add this line:
Language: Farsi (written in the Latin alphabet, in English). Use Farsi letters only in the lyric column.

[autumn crag]

Download it as a MIDI, so you can read the exact notes instead of relying on listening to the stems.
There are sometimes ghost notes stacking up very close to one another, which can distort our listening accuracy, particularly when listening to the piano.

You can open the MIDI with CakeWalk (It is an app, not affiliated with SUNO).

[raw oasis]

Thank you so much, might never have been my go-to thought. appreciate you.

[autumn crag]

Love to see if it can helps!

[raw oasis]

Another possible avenue. nice. grabbing the midi stems.

i might need to be highest tier sub? but would be worth if I get what I want faster

I am PRO (mid tier)

[autumn crag]

Uhm... I think so.
Well, I am a Pro user like you.
W8, I will browse. It is interesting to find out if we can convert WAV to MIDI.

The system scolded me for pasting a link

🙁

[raw oasis]

hehe

[autumn crag]

audio-convert (dot) com(slash)wav-converter(slash)wav-to-midi

hehehe

But you will have to download and install CakeWalk or another app of your choice to be able to open a MIDI file. With MIDI file, we can read the exact note and listen to the sound at once.

[raw oasis]

Might be Studio One or Reaper thing too. bookmarked it. awesome.. yes now that I know my process thanks to you I can take from here.

[autumn crag]

all the best!

[raw oasis]

I thought for sure Suno had midi files available. don't see it though.

one things is not fond of sharing my music, so will try on desktop somehow first.

ahh yes google ai "his is a part of Suno Studio, which allows you to convert audio stems into MIDI files for use in other digital audio workstations (DAWs). The feature may be limited to specific plans and has a cost associated with it, according to some sources. "

[autumn crag]

If you are working on a professional project, I think it is better to keep them unpublished.

To a point, we can secure the copyright.

But yes, I also like you, not fond of sharing my music. lol.

[raw oasis]

yep - not showing anything online except finished youtube videos over my songs. figure at that point I have proof it is my work.

[autumn crag]

It is available at the highest tier. The best quality mid users like us can download is .WAV

Therefore, we must use 3rd party to convert it to a MIDI file.

[raw oasis]

so tempted to upgrade to Studio now, unless there is a good secure converter. 😄 will have to think on it over lunch..

[autumn crag]

If you are a professional producer, I think yes...
But if you are an artist who produces only for your songs, Pro is more than sufficient, I think.

[raw oasis]

would be so next level if Suno could go straight to guitar tab

[neat nexus]

Maybe some day? They're working on stuff like this all the time away from the sight of us mods and users.

I mean did anyone really expect MIDI? #📢┃announcements message

[raw oasis]

Exactly that is a pretty tasty addition. Would bring in decades of MIDI producers.

This guitar solo is on the vai/satriani/eric johnson level... so I dont trust any third party tools to get it note for note

But I am hoping that SUNO DOES know what the notes are.

[tawdry scarab]

Suno doesn't build from notes

There's no layout or composition stage that anyone knows of

[ivory sorrel]

Can you hide the style tags of a song you create when you publish it?

[ivory spruce]

V5 likes to do way to much singing, trying to make a solid 1 minute edm/dubstep intro but it wants to sing. any prompt to lose that?

[quick sonnet]

OK, but even someone with perfect pitch had trouble hearing the differences.

[frozen dagger]

yes. you can hide style tags by opening song in editor and exporting/save as new song (with no styles insereted). you can edit you lyrics in Song Details if you want to edit that anyway you want as well. Including removing meta-tags.

[ivory sorrel]

Thank you

[frozen dagger]

repeating [Breakdown] or [Instrumental] can, but even then it still making it's own decisions on how long that should be. Could extend from, or into, an intrumental. In either of those cases i would have extension try to have a [Breakdown] at the end of clip you are extending, and then again at the beginning of the extension. Creates some instrumental space. You can continue to extend like this. If it starts singing too soon, extend again. but extend from a time mark where there is music like you want in that area. it pulls from what's around it.

tag can be whatever you want to phrase what you wanting in your music, not just breakdown or instrumental. just examples. something to create music absent of singing

[frozen dagger]

if you'r wanting 1 min intro, create an instrumental, then extend after your minute with the lyrics, using [breakdowns] in the lyrics to create more music

[torn spoke]

if you want midi's i can download them for you

same for you @raw oasis

[river rampart]

looking back through comments about the editor (which I had previously confused with Studio), has anyone ever had any luck with any Suno editor?

[torn spoke]

define luck

It's pretty good at doing transitions, the studio editor I mean. Cause it helps you with beat lineup

[river rampart]

For clarity: This editor, not the premium thing.

The transitions are exactly what I am struggling with, I have tried replacing small segments, tried replacing whole sections and every edit seems to introduce a major tonal shift, or completely misaligns the lyrics (the fix alignment button does nothing for me no matter where I set the playheads or the lyric pins)

[torn spoke]

Hmmm

What is your goal with the tool

Are you attempting to replace a tiny segment, redo a verse, fix an artefact?

[river rampart]

I generated around 12 songs modifying style and lyric styles until I got something that was pretty much right, except I didn't like the hooks and there were some mispronunciations, so I am cleaning up mispronunciations and replacing the hooks completely.

[torn spoke]

Before I continue, is any of this #📚┃suno-school message applicable?

[river rampart]

Thanks for the link, am I right that the solution described requires 3rd party stitching?

[torn spoke]

It depends on how clean split between the segments are

as an example, in one of my transitions I had to separate the vocal stem

from the instrumentals of the verse

for the transition into the chorus to not be jarring

but if the vocals hadn't "bled* into the chorus, I wouldn't have had to do that at all

and could have done a simple cut

Depending on how early in the project you are, your song might be short enough to download, edit, and reupload

[river rampart]

I think your solution is probably right, but it highlights a major issue with the editor. If the only way to keep audible continuity is to crop and extend songs, then what is the point of the editor?

Yes Thats my issue exactly. I don't have studio so no stem control. I am looking for cleanm break points across stems to set my segment breaks and trying to generate that way, but its just a massive credit drain.

[torn spoke]

Suno premium is pricey, I supress the bill when I look at it

there are a lot of tools you can use to seperate the stems though, and audacity is capable of letting you patchwork this together

it does mean you'll have to get used to lining up individual waveforms

cause it doesn't have suno's auto beat aligner thingy

50 credits isn't a lot, i can also split the stems for you in suno if you'd like (because 50 credits is a small % of premium subscription's monthly allowance)

The curse of being a perfectionist ehh? @river rampart

[torn spoke]

The results are satisfying though

[river rampart]

Yeah I normally extract stems and sort out the mess in Audacity or Waveform. I just wish I didn't have to 🤣

[lyric kestrel]

is there any way I can make the vocals less robotic, after making the song?

[torn spoke]

Cover to your hearts content baby

remastering can help, but from my experience it is better to have suno "remake" the vocals rather than try to remaster

depends on how robotic the vocals are though

[torn spoke]

when audacity drops their next update I might use it instead of audition

but for now i'm trapped in adobe hell

[river rampart]

Careful, you know about the adobe clause that allows them to use your work to train their models?

[rocky fulcrum]

Hello...I'm new here (but I've been using Suno for a long time)... I'd like some help - if anyone can 🫩I'm having trouble generating songs accompanied only by guitar (voice and guitar). Whenever I ask, she starts with just the guitar, but as she goes along, she ends up adding other instruments.🤦🏻

[torn spoke]

Yeah, though that ultimately benefits me as I'd get access to their product considering my subscription

[rocky fulcrum]

Just to clarify: I'm from Brazil, I don't speak English, I'm using a translator, so if anyone answers my question, please be so kind as to translate it into Portuguese... Thank you

[torn spoke]

O Discord quer que o diálogo seja em inglês, receio - The discord wants the dialogue to be in english I'm afraid

[rocky fulcrum]

Ok 😭

[raw oasis]

Suno, is a bit like prospecting for gold. sometimes you get a nice nugget, sometimes a rare diamond, and sometimes... dirt.

[torn spoke]

Add a gambling addiction that

[torn spoke]

but that does't mean I can't help you, you'll just have to use google translate :p

[river rampart]

I know another version of that comparison. Miners are a special breed because not many people will wade through a mile of shh... grit, to find 1 gram of gold.

[torn spoke]

Are the ones that spend hundreds of generation on a single song those guys?

[river rampart]

Its me, I am those guys.

[torn spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-handshake-arnold-handshake-grip-predator-handshake-gif-21782662

[river rampart]

2000 credits on 1 song last week.

[torn spoke]

based

[river rampart]

Working on my l,ast song now, been makig songs for my wifes book, she says they inspire her to write. This one is the last one though... and I only have 370 credits left <.<

Just had one gen where the vocals were male. Though I definitely selected female. fun fun

[torn spoke]

damn runnin low

[raw oasis]

this would make a very good black mirror episode

[river rampart]

If you run out you get like 50 a day, but I hope I don't get that down bad to finish this song

[rocky fulcrum]

🙏🏼

[torn spoke]

My longest project is probably close to 1000 gens

I think

[raw oasis]

might have found something to try for Audio to MIDI in any DAW - called NeuralNote

[torn spoke]

6 months of work

[river rampart]

F that lol. I just didn't sleep the project that cost 2k. This is not good for me.

[torn spoke]

it's a mess of a song too tbh, but by god does it have good vocals

[torn spoke]

Unsolicited proof attached @river rampart

that's the chorus

well, the hook, and then the chorus. The "ooohh" lady is the hook

[river rampart]

counterstrike?

[torn spoke]

huh?

[river rampart]

the game thats still there, wild guess haha

[torn spoke]

Oh no lol

It's a super niche fan made game

based on an anime

[river rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-keep-your-secrets-alright-then-lotr-gif-12907121

[torn spoke]

My profile pic is from that game actually, I made the skin in there and took some photos. It's called "AOTTG"

I can DM you a game play snippet, don't wanna water down this chat too much

even though its like the only chat in this server that I enjoy

[raw oasis]

If SUNO does not know anything about notes, how does it know how to do MIDI?

[torn spoke]

different model does the extraction

[raw oasis]

that makes sense.. just calls out to another service

[river rampart]

I am doing at least 3 gens at a time right now, I feel like a slot machine gambler

[wet maple]

bruh same.

Can we talk about how Remaster doesn't do anything but subtly make the track worse? Like there needs to be entire revamp of that tool, its useless

[sand basalt]

Another tedious method (on web) is to log out of Suno, close browser, clear anything Suno from history, temporary internet files, etc. restart pc, log back into Suno and go to the song it is own workspace without opening or playing any other song. This seems to reduce the v5 song memory from being too dominant in some cases and you may get a clean iteration. Not perfect but when all else fails it’s worth the try, since it works better in some cases than smashing your forehead into the wall.

[river rampart]

I used mild remaster on a track 7x one time, to see if it ever cleaned up a random jump in tone after some edits. It didn't

Does anyone else have this happen and no a way around it? Maybe a cache clear or even a download import of the song to clear meta data?

Before replacement and after replacement.

this is after for clarity:

I would crop it, but then it messes up th etime signature for the rest of the song.

[unique siren]

[plain pumice]

Seems she already is doing it.

[polar spade]

Thanks.

You seem to be making a suggestion to @fair adder but replied to me, where, that way, she would not get pinged to read your suggestion. That's all I meant when I suggested adding her @name to your post.

In that she needs a bit more assistance to read posts, it may help things along for her to find messages meant for her.

[lean bolt]

So, from 3.5 to 4 I have noticed that influencing the singers style is MUCH more difficult.

Seems 4 likes to use general singer styles and I can't manipulate very well.

Anybody have suggestions on this?

[tawdry scarab]

Learn the differences in the models response to your requested styles as a new process that will take time

[lean bolt]

I see the differences, now i'd like help figuring out how to get 4 to see my prompt for the singers...

[plain pumice]

Thank you for your suggestion, it's good to know.
So no worries, I've added a ping to the post.

[wet maple]

Is anyone else's new gens constantly skipping? I'm used to it happening 1/4 gens but not 4/4

[polar spade]

I get that in a variety of ways, new Gens, but Covers as well. All we can do is post as a bug, thumbs down, or report the bug from the output menu. The more reports, the more prominent this will be looked at hopefully.

It's hard to force it, in order to fix it. But I still try occasionally.

[tawdry scarab]

I'm sorry that was genuinely unhelpful of me

[lean bolt]

No worries, it's true it's a process, I just HOPE that it wouldn't have been so different that it completely ignores my singer prompts. But it seems it is, and I'd like help figuring out how to get it to see that.

[plain pumice]

Have any of you experienced in Studio, that created something using a track selection and remix feature (cover), but the styles used, for some reason doesn't get saved for the track? Is there someway to see what style prompt was used? Furthermore, it's also missing the slider settings.

[half dragon]

If you look for it in Library... could it show there? it should like any other clip.

[plain pumice]

The problem isn't I can't locate the clip, but the clip reads as (no styles), and I'm quite sure I used a prompt for it, but this is a few days ago, so I'm not sure what prompt I used.

[river rampart]

I had about 100 tokens left so I decided to make a final song that relates to all the conversations here from the last few days for the spark creativity prompt. It is not perfect, which is perfect. Maybe its relatable, I don't know I am going to bed! (Posted in showcase and spark submissions)

[fair adder]

hello, who pinged me? it was midnight then, i was sleeping lol

[hollow hare]

It seems it was this post #📚┃suno-school message

[fair adder]

grrr i heate my screan reader whtn i click on the redirect link nothing happens. thanks discord...

oh my god i found it... well bruh what an idea to mension a message from yesterday lol

[hexed iris]

Has anyone tried Adobe Podcast for vocals created by Suno?

[sour stream]

hey everyone

[sour stream]

i use adobe audition

so u used to be able to record your own voice and create a persona to use with Suno, but now when I record my voice it wont let me ceate a persono cause it thinks i uploaded instead of recorded?

[slim summit]

how do i stop suno from interpreting [instrumental intro] as "obviously you meant acapella"?

[slim summit]

ugh i figured it out. by creating an instrumental song of the same style and then continuing after 10 seconds with the lyrics

[hexed iris]

Adobe Podcast enhances the speech (Vocals).
I want to know if it trims the silent part of Vocals from Suno Stems?
Any idea?

[polar spade]

Probably my fault. I just suggested someone make sure they add a ping on their comment to you. So they went back and added the ping. But here it was before 8pm. 🙏 Sorry to wake you.

[fair adder]

it's ok lol. my screen reader can read the attached message but strangely cannot jump to redirections like shown earlier

and its also tedious to just scroll up all the messages in the conversation

[polar spade]

I know better now. 😁 No more helpful suggestions after the fact🥴. It just becomes an alarm clock for you. 🙏 🌼

[fair adder]

xD

speaking of which i finally found hte old prompt i was looking for. i'm relieved, but still i wish the old saving system was restored, it's useful for quick saving

[night moon]

Hey guys, my first message here altho I'm a long time user and server member.

The other day I had that idea to make song kinda in style of radio/video by soad. I was experimenting with various prompts ideas, trying to extract a similar sound. But pretty much always failed.
Any ideas how should I approach the prompt for such song that is really a total blend of styles and various vocal styles too? And the blend is so seamless in each part of the song, but also all the parts are distinctively different. It just seems like suno never really understands what I try to convey.

[quick sonnet]

Since suno is not the only AI I am using, have noticed that other AIs allow you to select track length, BPM, key, and a lot more. All of these features are even free there. Why can't Suno offer something like this to Pro users? Instead of removing features from free users, it would make more sense to offer more features to Pro users.

[placid aspen]

Is there any (proven) way around the 5 minute cover cap which Suno impose? Got a song I love the finish to, but Suno decides its too long.

[river rampart]

Pot luck. I managed to get about 1 in 5 covers of a 6 minute track to be closer to 6 minutes. It seems like chance decreases the longer the track though, an 8 minute cover produced 8 times was repeatedly 6.43 long.

[raw oasis]

Finally got Suno to do my cowboy yodel.. progress peeps.. progress.. 😄

[restive quarry]

Is there a way to delete my account ?

[placid aspen]

My track is only 5:14 long, but struggling to keep the ending.

Also, and rather bizzarely, I'm getting covers over 6 minutes long, but the final two minutes is just silence. The initial excitement of seeing the generated track length, soon gives way to a screen-smashing rage!

[river rampart]

Alternatively you could crop a short one and extend, unlikely to produce an identical result, but maybe.

[vestal flame]

is there anyway to create one at a time? I only have 7 credits and JUST got the lyrics where I want them but cant generate cuz I need 10, is there a way to only gen 1 for 5?

[polar spade]

You can permanently remove your access to your account by using the delete choice found in profile area of the APP, only. This is not avail in the desktop version.

It's denoted with red text.

[polar spade]

It's 10 credits per gen. So, one generation gives you a couple of outputs. Whether it's 20 outputs or 1 output, the charge for clicking Create is 10 credits.

[vestal flame]

its always been a consistent 2 gens per 10 credits, or 4 credits for replacements... its never given me more or less than 2..

for me at least

[polar spade]

When we say "generation", that term is used for the clicking of create and it's spitting out 2 outputs, or yes, 4 outputs in Basic (2 regular and two 5.0, samples).

2 outputs, or one generation, is 10 credits without splitting them down further. You're right.

We occasional suggest to have a way to donate credits, even just enough, since many end up with a couple of credits left before a refresh.🙏

[raw oasis]

making my first Persona, but not sure which setting is public. this is where it defaulted. that looks on because of the white background but not sure. this is the other. anyone can help me?

i am gonna guess they defaulted it public and switch it off.

[vestal flame]

in the end I've simply submitted, I shall give all mortal possessions to the funny noise robot

xS

[wanton cradle]

Are lyrics stored within the metadata of downloaded mp3/wav songs?

And are they the ones I used to make the song, or the displayed ones?

[polar spade]

I think we made a small inferential leap. Is there a connection somewhere between getting 5 credits and what appear to be a song submission? 🤔

[half dragon]

I don't think so.

[twin thistle]

Hi Everyone, what the is the best way to preserve all elements of song while wanting to eliminating a section of the song and correcting a few words. Specially, I want to keep the exact color/tone of the vocal. Thanks for the help in advance.

[polar spade]

@rose vine

If you paid last Thursday, the latest you should expect to have the account activated is 5 banking days, pending NY holiday. . . And we'll Monday we had a bank Holiday..... the reason for the delay often to review funds for fraud, suspicious activity, laundering, etc. - - basically verify good funds - - by the international banks. Since it's approaching 7 days, you should check your recent activity statements for any pending activity or refund. Also, send out an email to [e-mail] to get in line to investigate, though by that time you'd likely be active. Billing response time about 10-15 days recently (seasonal bottlenecks from promotional stuff).

If paid through Google /Apple though, there has been some scant issue of funds simply not being received. If you contact either Google/Apple and that seems plausible, you may consider other routes.

Up to you how long before trying other options.

[true carbon]

Question with vocals, if i have some acapella that i bring on Suno, what can i expect while generating with them? Will they keey the same ''flow'' or more toward the same ''voice ?

and can i use that personna for completely different lyrics from what the acapalle say

[vestal flame]

whyyyy why does it keep doing this? I have the "keep duration" checked so why tf does it keep adding on several minutes to a 10 second clip??

yea I legit cant get it to generate a replacement clip normally.... it just keeps trying to do the entire second half of the song, changing all sorts of bs along the way. I get the whole "under 6 seconds" thing, but I've extended it to 15 seconds now and its still doing this.. Ive tried both with and without the keep duration, what is happening?

have also tried the manual lyric replace function too, it still just keeps slapping on entire minutes of random stuff

literally just want to change a single word cuz it didnt pronounce it fully.....

[brazen oar]

Hey everyone! I'm a big fan of SUNO. I really love it.

One thing that I'm curious about is the reverb on V5—I feel like it's too much. Is there any discussion about that?

[true carbon]

No one ?

[tawdry scarab]

To a cappella, the routine you describe is supposed to work, however i and others have different experiences on making personas from uploads. I can't figure out how others make it work.

And as to @vestal flame 10 seconds represents, if I'm not mistaken, the absolute minimum required. Depending on the circumstances the model might be too confused by the context to accomplish that, or the ui could be out of sync and your selection of keep time isn't truly set

So i would refresh and maybe try 20 seconds or 30 and hope the replacement covers that 30 seconds of song more faithfully

[frozen dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/same-different-but-still-gif-18224441

Persona's arent' voice clones, or music clones, but more like a color pallette that Suno "paints" from.
If you have vocals (without instruments) you could add music if you want, generate new tracks that have similar traits to your upload when you use it as a persona/ cover. Yes, you can change the lyrics. Lyrics do no have to match at all. There some caveats you will discover as you go. You should expect it to be similar. It will pull traits like the cadence, tone, textures, styles...etc.

[urban zephyr]

So how would I do these two things? I'm writing a musical and one of the things I want to do is ensure that the voices for each song the stay consistent. So the male lead is the male lead in every song. The female lead is the female lead in every song even when there's duets etc. So how can I accomplish this?

The second thing I'm wondering is how I can use themes from different songs and combine them into one song later. I usually write all my music on piano first, upload those songs into Suno and then riff off of those. I'm wondering how I could upload multiple songs that I've made in Suno and then use it to create one of those musical songs where the themes of different songs are interwoven throughout one song?

TYIA

[frozen dagger]

the time signature part, i think would be difficult relying on Suno and just prompts. Maybe someone else has info on that.
For the mixing themes. It sounds like you want to mesh/merge different uploads together. One way would be to use them as "Inspo", you can add up to 4 songs by draggin them over to the stlye prompt box area and drop it in inspo (or click +inspo, but this will have you choose a playlist that it will pull up to 4 songs from).
Creates a sorta of frankenstein stiched together of the inputs. Not usually great for songs with like different lyrics and such, but for instrumentals it can give some creative results. if they dont come out sounding coherent try running them through a cover, or remix. should pull the traits and try to make it more coherent sonically.

[urban zephyr]

That's an interesting idea. Thanks!

[frozen dagger]

other than that. Suno is really good at just taking a track that is in one style and just give it a simple change to start changing the styles. like if it was a rock song, just put jazz or whatever and see the interpretations. it's something you get a feel of as you go with how Suno treats it,

[urban zephyr]

How did you get rid of those vocal intro's?

[frozen dagger]

sounds like it is associating your bells with gospel, ooohs and aahs. and maybe whispered voices too. try [Lyrics: whispered texture]. It's annoying. Think we all been there.
Maybe try to move an instrumental section to the front of the song within editor and then try to generate an intro, where it isn't near any sung words.

[dense monolith]

Hi how are you doing

[quick dome]

[Intro]
[No Vocals]
[No Vocals]
[No Vocals] 16 seconds intro

then try with Spoken instead of No , i only saw the part where you having ooo's and aaa's at the start

[autumn sky]

hi, Im from Brasil, my songs are bugs. every song I created are bugs, Follow the styles e dont follow the letter!!

[quick dome]

bugs??

[autumn sky]

I pay to use and I can`t use, every songs are bugs

[quick dome]

seems prompting is different for users with same prompt

[autumn sky]

this new version are bug

[quick dome]

are you a pro plan

[autumn sky]

me too, I pro

[quick dome]

ok ,,, i will have a prompt play around ,,, i will let ya know ,, i will do it in a bit tho

did ya change ya sliders

ok , i hav some creds to burn , like i said i will do a few gens etc

dont burn on same project .. waste um unless ya sub updates like

[autumn sky]

I have credits and I cant use because all songs are bugs. All songs??? Im upse

I'm disappointed with SUNO because it's not generating music correctly — they're all bugged. I pay monthly, and it's terrible.

[quick dome]

i got kinda spoken over a guitar intro

[quick dome]

define bugs , distortion etc , what genre

[autumn sky]

every songs don`t follow the lirics,

I`m brasilian and look like are sing in japanese

[quick dome]

kk

[autumn sky]

I don`t understand what is singing

and all songs start the same way... ohhhhhhh, ahhhhhh, mmmmmmmm

my credits are going way

[quick dome]

ok hmm its a weird one

[hollow hare]

1. The issue with "no" is that the AI may not know what that means, that is why there is an exclude style prompt.
   So when you say "no vocals", it sees "no" (unknown pattern associated with it) and "vocals" (will give you vocals) due to tokenization.

2. If you want no vocals, use [instrumental] instead. You can do things like [Catchy Melodic instrumentals], [guitar riffs], etc.

3. Know that the spelling impacts the sound it generates.

As per theharber:

a cappella is the traditional latin spelling, and seems geared toward what you'd expect from vocal harmonies only.

acapella is the anglicized way of spelling, still completely valid way to spell it, but seems to also incorporate instruments on top of vocal harmonies & vocal instrumentations

https://suno.com/playlist/3dd7bdf0-5f6f-4ee7-adb0-8f42d9cb8b01

Hm the Japanese part? I was going to do that I another reply

Oops, my bad

No worries, I do that as well. What goes around comes around.
Hmm seems the original message got deleted.

[quick dome]

it was the link i shown Bored Ape

and still wrong lol

[hollow hare]

Huh, strange, the AI is usually good in singing the appropriate language so long as you use the correct written language. E.g. if you write in Kanji or romancized Japanese (romanji, like "nani") you will get the AI singing it in Japanese (well, most likely)

Pronounciation is a different issus, especially with non-English words. I think the AI still mixes up Brazilian and Portuguese?

Unfortunately, not much you can do other than use phonetic spelling to make it say it how you want. You can ask a Chat LLM to translate your lyrics with phoneticized spelling for those cases

[quick dome]

dim unsure as it goes ok then swaps for me

or add the opposite vocals

it will go in duet m then f for most of the song then change of them will do a double sentence

[autumn sky]

When I creat my songs, I use Brasil, português,

But now, I don`t use prompts, I use the style, my country, female vocals, and gets better. But continue ohhhhh, ahhhhh mmmmm 😆

my english is not so good, sorry

me too

"We pay to receive better service."

[frozen dagger]

aside from creating tracks that are all male and then cover it with all female, and then splicing together in studo/editor. aside from that, not a full proof way at this time.

[frozen dagger]

u can select in adanced options and use tags/prompting, but even then no 100%, but been reliable with starting from nothing for me. when you are remixing (cover, persona, extend) then you can get "unexpected results"

procedural generation. =\ sorry you're having a hard time. agree it should be click the button write the tag and it be understood. but it isn't really male or female, just pitch etc. if you said [female vocal] down pitched it then brought it back in, then stuff like that would still always cause an issue with ai machine gen

it's one of the more common issues everyone wants a fix, for sure.

[polar spade]

If you are getting what seems to be a different language than you used in the lyrics, the A. I. could be hallucinating. It will sing gibberish.

[sacred swift]

I made an experimental song using this phrase. Sometimes the vocal instructions worked, sometimes they didn’t, so it was a real struggle, but the song itself turned out great. I borrowed a bit of the lyrics.
Is this OK?

If you can use Studio, I thought it might be realistic to create a vocal stem, split it into male and female voices, and then cut and paste them together.
That’s if you want to do it properly.

[polar spade]

Just me, but: I figure if one person is singing, then I always reference in the lyrics as "vocal" if Suno should have any doubts.

So [male vocal] and [female vocal]

I also avoid capitalizing any prompts unless they are actual proper nouns. I don't want Suno to second guess that either.

So there may be a Steinway piano, but they make grand pianos, not Grand pianos.

[quick sonnet]

To create stems you don't even need studio.

[sacred swift]

Yeah, that’s right.
But I think you’ll need to create vocal tracks for male, female, and mixed voices, and Studio is convenient for syncing everything to the beat. If you have a DAW, I think that works fine too.

[quick sonnet]

Yes the DAW can do the job as well, once you have that vocal tracks.

[hexed quarry]

I am a swedish creator and truly pissed over the finish dialect. A ”swedish” eurovision song ”bada bastu” seem to have completely ruined the voice, dialect is semi finnish very very often, any suggestions how I can prompt away dialects? It’s really annoying, like all english songs should have some french in them 🤯

[polar spade]

I meant you referenced [ vocals] in the plural instead of singular. It may have been arbitrary in the post, but I wanted to put in two cents, just in case.

Yes. Maybe that helps Suno use a single male vocal than work out if we really wanted a choir or crowd. The less thinking for SUNO the better, probably.

[sacred swift]

It’s the same with the pronunciation of people’s names—you shouldn’t leave everything up to the AI, but specify how you want them to be sung. Kanji faces the same kind of problem, too.

[hexed quarry]

I tried to state ”stockholm” dialect and similar, it is some letter like ”ll” in words which becomes finish sounding. Any suggestions how I can prompt away dialects?

[sacred swift]

I thought I couldn’t post the link here, so I sent you a DM. Please check it out.

[uncut tulip]

When i cover a song and ask for instrumental, it only does it for first like 10-30 sec then goes back to the old instrumental (ex: if i ask for Shamisen ill do it then go back to synth) anyway to fix?

[hollow hare]

Pronounciation is a difficult issue, especially with non-English words. Unfortunately, not much you can do other than use phonetic spelling to make it say it how you want.

You can ask a Chat LLM to translate your lyrics with phoneticized spelling for those cases. E.g. "phonetically transcribe this Swedish lyrics with English alphabets:" (or something similar).

Why into English? Reducing the chance of phonetically mistakes BUT you do not need to do this, you can simply ask it to phonetically spell it in Swedish too.

I have attached an example using duck.ai with GPT-4o mini

Out of curiosity, I passed that into Suno and... it sure was something lol

• https://suno.com/s/xGA3BNXIxH3Z7Q2S
• https://suno.com/s/blxFvXzD1MEuaKN9

[hollow hare]

Have you tried having the lyrics saying [ xxxxx instrumental] where xx is what you want?
Here is an example of turning one of the song above into EDM. Note I had excluded male,female,vocal to increase the odds of preventing vocals from appearing
https://suno.com/s/iw04kr12nUiC37jP

[wet maple]

Anyone getting this loud popping/crackling in the gens recently?

[faint linden]

If any of yall like post 2000s grunge, lmk how this sounds

https://spotify.link/y0fc9tTWzXb

[frozen dagger]

been in studio for a while. doing extends and stuff, the gens are losing fidelity. cracking, static. u jinxed it. (High traffic time likely) wish we could see peak times. Seems to heavily effect generations. Fidelity and coherence to prompts.

[wanton cradle]

Is there an untold maximum for thumbnail dimensions? I'm trying to upload a 1536x2731 one and it just disappears, both in png and jpg. Cropping the image does work.

[frozen dagger]

I too once wondered what the "untold maximum" is. It remains a mystery. However, in my search here's a post I made 6 months ago on Reddit, when every image i put in wouldn't align, and wanted to know the optimal res/max res:

So here's what I did...generate an image using 1024x1536 resolution. uploaded to Suno... same problem... so i opened it with Paint, resized the image and added 500 pixels to the height and width, moved the image to the center area of the now larger canvas size.... filled in the extra canvas area black and saved. uploaded to Suno. VOILA! it fits like a glove. so that is the deal here. i need extra black space around the image so that the entire art can be viewed in the space on Suno.

6 months ago. things change, but likely works still. dunno how it aligns on Suno phone app music player, havent check, but should fit like a glove that way

[polar spade]

It's been an ongoing thing, I've seen since 3.5 but moreso 4.0, for SUNO to start strong on anything, a genre, a vocal quality, an instrument, and then swerve, often within a minute to 90 seconds begin losing that edge and sounding a bit homogeneous, comparatively. I won't say often now, but since you asked, apparently it happens still.

The best means that I've gotten around it is to just practice creating songs by extension and using a persona made from the original "strong" bit of the song, mixed with each extension.

[frozen dagger]

with that method it made the 1024x1536 image fit inside the box without needing any adjustment and i didnt see any white space when it changes the portrait orientation to square in some instances

I got a question, or looking for suggestions. I'm stitching together a long song, longer than 8 mins (def longer than the 5 or so Cover caps at). I'm trying to think about the different ways I can go about it, but really if I can just smooth over some of the transitions between clips that would work. So, best way to recreate a small section?
I don't think I'm using recreate in Suno correctly, or it's not fully funtional... extend seems to be the most consistent way but still run into issues somewhat. ive been extending then trimming and overlaying with fades to try to create my own transitions in Studio when extend wasn't an option. Dragged clips to use Cover as well. That ok for replacing sections, but not I want to blend the sections together better.

[plain pumice]

To chime in on the language topic.
Not sure if this is the way to go, but you can in the style prompt clarify the language intent.
For example I've experimented with invented pseudo-latin and conventional english.
I've used:
"All vocals performed strictly in pseudo-Latin; no English text or narration should be sung. Instrumental direction: ...."
"Intro and Chorus Vocals performed strictly in pseudo-Latin; "Pre-verse, Verse and Outro" are performed in English. Instrumental direction: ...."
You can use the prompt booster to make adhere more to your lyrics and style prompt, increase or prioritize the Style Influencer slider.
I've gotten good results with it.

[tired forge]

I guess I can't share a link to a song that has a really long drawn out final word? It's the best version of the song and my favorite, but the final word is ridiculously long and drawn out. I'll try to send the link again.

I'm just asking for help on changing the ending because I don't want the final word to last... I think it lasts over 30 seconds…

https://suno.com/s/isLpVNMsAkV2P3qo

Oh. There we go.

So if anyone can tell me how to freaking change the final word length... I was tempted to extend the song by adding more words, but I didn't think that would actually help me with the word.

Yeah. It's still really long. Frick...

[polar spade]

You good at editing? Splice out 2 bars of the last word, is an option.

You could see what extending from the middle of the word does.

You could crop the word halfway, then cover the song, audio slider at 98% so it's basically a copy, and let cover give a new ending.

[tired forge]

I'm new to editing honestly, so you're speaking to me in Sanskrit. 😢 I'll see what I can do by trying it out

[polar spade]

Cropping off the end or rather, delete or remove the end in the middle of the word should be easy to try.

Then cover it. It's all a test, I've not done exactly that to know how successful it would be.

[tired forge]

I don't know where to go to do that... I could remove the word altogether easily, but doing what you're saying to do I have no idea how to do that...

[polar spade]

In the three-dot menu of the output, there is Remix/edit.... Then Open Editor.

Select the end bit (left click-hold with mouse about 2:40:00 and drag highlight to the end - - release and it will select that piece) about halfway into the long sung word. Then a menu will show under the selection. Choose delete. Save song with the cut ending - Save option at top of layout.

Choose menu again of the new saved song, choose Cover. Set audio slider to 98%, leave others alone. :Create. See what happens to the final word.

[tired forge]

I am on my phone because my Chromebook charger was lost when I moved…

So I think I'm screwed here. I appreciate you trying so hard to help my butt here.

Started working on the prick in freaking August originally. It'd be my one and ONLY seasonal song…

Okay. Gonna try something a little weird. I'm going to try using my phone charger to charge my stupid Chromebook. Which I call stupid for a specific reason…

[sour stream]

Hello all, it used to allow me to record and use my voice to create a persona but now it just sees recordings as uploads and won't create persona?

[frozen dagger]

try opening the upload in editor and save as new song

[frozen dagger]

sometimes persona is greyed out, this usually workaround

[sour stream]

Ohh I'll try that. Fingers crossed

[sour stream]

Thank you so much !!

[frozen dagger]

Sounds like it worked for you. 🙂

[tired forge]

My Chromebook has a touchpad and I don't think I can right with it since the touchpad is also the clicker. FML

[sour stream]

Yes thank you

[frozen dagger]

should still be able to use a usb mouse/bluetooth(if ya have that) i would guess. worth a try?

[tired forge]

I think I finally thought of something and I wish I had thought of it sooner…

If I could find the dang mouse sure…

I have to test my theory on my idea really quick though.

I guess it can just spaz out and go black screen instead of letting me try to edit it. That's fine. Thanks for nothing website…

I can't get the mouse to move to 2:35 or 2:40 or anything. How the hell..??..

Do I have to have a Premier Plan to do this B.S.?

[frozen dagger]

tab key was a swear word Woodhouse? come on dude

[scenic cedar]

Can we not give random people the ability to gatekeep basic words in lyrics ugh

[tired forge]

Holy Hephaestus Batman! I might have freaking done it. I gave up with my Chromebook and went into the web browser on my console. Lets see how I did, huh?

Crap. I see it's under three minutes. If it sounds good enough I'll have to extend it. Less than 3 minutes and it would upload as a short on YouTube and that's B.S.

It ends too suddenly when I cut it at 2:41

I'll try 2:50

Or 2:45 might be good. If I could hear the S in bliss... That would be better… It's not really noticeable…

Is there a way to keep the same vocals if I change the lyrics a bunch? Because I really like the vocals, but I can't get the ending to sound good…

There's not, is there? 😢

Crap sack.

[livid crescent]

you could make a persona from the 'good' version, and use that for subsequent gens. Not perfect, I know, but could help

[hexed vessel]

Hey hey tell me what works best with V5 to tell it where is Female or Male vocal? And which he likes the most [Duo] or [Together] or something else so they sing together?

[tired forge]

I didn't know what the personas were.

Good to know. I'll try to figure it out here. Thanks

Okay. I created a name, brief description, and an avatar for the voice, but I don't see anything for finalizing it...

A Pro Plan is the basic paid subscription, right?

I can't get my phone screen to zoom out far enough to show the stupid save button… FML

Okay. I had to go into my phone's display settings, but I got it saved. Thanks a lot for the tip @livid crescent

[livid crescent]

Hope it works out :). I can only imagine how tough this would be to do on a phone.

[tired forge]

I'd swear if I knew I could get away with it and that'd be your answer. LOL

[umbral nebula]

Hello, I have a Pro plan with an active subscription and 5075 credits. However, I can't create songs longer than 1 minute. Please help.

[plucky terrace]

Hey guys, need some help here. Whenever I try to make Future Bounce, Suno often defaults to a "bouncy guitar" sound instead of a synth. Has anyone found a good way to avoid this? Thanks!

[visual brook]

Hey, something strange is happening, if I try to download my generated music in WAV format, it show a pop up to go for Premier Plan, Im in Pro plan, if I click to get out the popup, the download never happens, if I click again to download, the popup show again. Any idea ? I have already reload the web page with clearing cache, but same issue

[polar spade]

The old school way...

While in the New Editor.... Go top left and click Legacy. It will go to the old editor where you can type into the time marks.

Click Remove (up top menu)

You do either have to click in the time marks in order to type, but you might get there by tapping tab button until they highlight.

Pro tip: type in some higher number than the song's length on the right, or end timemark, and tap other (left) timemark or click away. The right timemark will auto-set the end time of the song.

Then click the left timemark and type 02:40:00 and click away to set left timemark.

Click execute to remove the end bit. The edit should auto appear in your Library. Remember to click Filter and toggle off "hide edits" to show your edited output.

[tired forge]

I will copy and paste your tip to a myself on Facebook messenger. It's 5:37 a.m. and I have not yet slept so it'd be ill-advised for me to try at present. Thank you though

[polar spade]

Any song? Or just the one you're working on?

Even sometimes adding or removing one prompt can make a difference to Suno. Doesn't matter the prompt, but for what it's worth, I sneak in "ambient" somewhere near the beginning (but not the beginning prompt) and it can lengthen the output.

[onyx pagoda]

Is there a way to get instrumental tracks longer mine only tend to go to max 3 mins but vocals ive had almost to 8 mins (rare generally 5 or 6 but thats due to lyrics)

[rose quiver]

Is there a channel for billing?

[polar spade]

You can put in place markers, dashes brackets, ellipses, and some can be tags or prompts to move the instrumental along if you haven't already.

Lately Suno will focus on lyric length to determine song length. So few lyrics or no lyrics and we might get a short instrumental.

But it's about style prompts as well. Put just Pop and you get 2 minutes. Put Ambient and you'll get 7 minute, so it's a balance and sneaking in prompts that elicit a longer output.

I don't have a list, but that would be an interesting rabbit hole and 3000 credits to figure out.

[polar spade]

Not for support online. There is no official support team in Discord. All Billing support is done through email only. Your email would get an auto response and you'd be in queue to wait for a response. Consequently, response time has been expanded this month due to questions regarding promotional offers.

Use this to help guide your email request: https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1373016771103166575

[polar spade]

Generally, what's been the issue?

[rose quiver]

My billing show yearly for the Premier plan, but I did not authorize this. It would be nice to see an invoice as I don;t see a charge on my credit card yet.

[summer garnet]

One annoying thing I found using suno is when generating stems. The stems sound different than the track a lot of the times or have artifacts in them. Makes it difficult if you want to edit something out that is there but keep the rest of the sound.

[polar spade]

There is a page regarding refunds. https://help.suno.com/en/articles/2550209 Yes, with credit cards, it may be a couple of steps to have it post first. Interesting that it hasn't shown on the daily credit card activity.

Send an email to [e-mail] to discuss this that they can review for refunding any qualified acidental transactions (according to their refund page)

[rose quiver]

Thank you! Much appreciated!

[polar spade]

If a purchase was made, there should definitely be a receipt to your email. Search Suno or Stripe or Link.

Also, you can find detail payment information (if not paid by app) in your subscription page and "change payment method" link. Scroll down to you billing history, click a transaction to review details.

[rose quiver]

I use a prepaid card and limit the amount of money in the account just for instances like this. So the charge would be declined for a yearly plan.

[polar spade]

So, if it didn't complete the transaction and you're still on a lower or monthly tier, obviously then there is no refund. . At the least you might wish communicate error to Billing so there would be no "mark" against your account.

If it did bump you and your account says you're premium, then go through the process to find if any pending charges floating out there that would give any issues. I've seen some purchases (OK, about three users reported) with cards with NSF (failed or decline payment) , but got a courtesy subscription for about 5 days before they were locked out for non-payment.

Many do the same. It might have tagged your card now as a "bad" card for future purchases. You'd just have to test it on a pack of chewing gum or something. 😆

[summer garnet]

The stems drums are crazy off from the original lol. The cymbals are so loud and I don't even hear them on the original like they aren't there. Makes me want to just accept the one flaw on it because it just gets worse flaws from the stems if I try to edit it more : /

[polar spade]

Sunos processors will ping the card a few times over a week's periods well as a courtesy to provide time to fund the account, traditionally. Just so you know.

[polar spade]

Pop this over to the bug channel. That seems the best spot to have look into it. https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1082775596767117312

[worthy dragon]

I cant post my music here

[polar spade]

Do you mean in Suno Showcase channel? That's the suggested place to post songs in Discord.

Other channels have restrictions.

[polar spade]

@analog pivot

Remix Contest (Halloween)

Browse the song starters playlist. Pick your favorite, or go full mad scientist and try them all! Make it yours using any Remix feature. Hit Submit & Publish to enter.

Song Concepts:
• Sounds in a Scary Movie
• Monster!!
• Inspired by Halloween Classics

After submissions close on October 23, the Suno team will listen and upvote songs into the Top 25. If you post your song to socials, tag us so we can check it out!

Spooky Suno kicks off on October 17 at 12:00 PM EST and ends on October 23 at 11:59 PM EST. A featured playlist will drop on October 27 and run through Halloween. This contest is open to users globally. Users must use a Remix feature (Cover, Reuse Style, etc) to be considered for prizes. Personalized redemption codes and credits will be awarded globally to the Top 25 winners.

[analog pivot]

Thanks

[analog pivot]

Have they released the song starters playlist

[polar spade]

Yes. It's kind of hidden... I'll get the link. Hold on.

https://suno.com/playlist/66f43eaf-d04f-4d5c-b8ab-34dc3b494d01

[analog pivot]

Thanks mate

[eager siren]

hello there
I'm still desperatly trying to enforce a consistent unique voice (in my case male harsh vocal) and suno keep "singing" some of the verse and refrain with a totally out of the mood powerful other vocal voice

• i tried excluding a lot of genres that have those type of singing
• i tried positive enforcement (telling the type of vocal explicitely in style and each lyrics sections
• i tried 0% to 80% weird, 0 to 100% style,
• i tried editing a song to remove all singing part and making a persona from it, using it with 50 to 100% influence, I still get some totally out of mood singing
• i tried renaming chorus to refrain, hook, or even just verse doesnt chance that
• i tried enforce the mood and style of vocals for each line with for instance [harsh growl] etc
• i tried editing those parts in the editor, the new generated parts are in the same out of mood singing style
• i tried v4.5 with same varied parameters, still I get singing
• i tried to use detailed templates found here
• i tried to enforce the "dark" mood in styles etc

=> does someone has a tip for really enforce one unique singer and vocal style for a whole song and absolutely exclude some kind of vocals ?
=> is there a better way to add exclusion than the list of "genre" in the advanced tab ?

[livid crescent]

persona would be your best bet. make a persona from the closest version you have. Gets tricky, because there are limitations on what it'll let you make a persona from.

[eager siren]

thanks for your quick answer

• does removign the undesired parts from the song in the editor has an impact on the persona ?

[analog pivot]

So you just publish the song and it will enter the contest

[livid crescent]

The way I have managed to make this work (because personas won't work on uploads) is to edit it the way you want, put it in an inspo playlist and regenerate the song using solely the inspo, not the cover. That version should match up pretty close, and persona should work.

But FYI, suno doesn't like doing harsh vocals and doesn't like to stick to things. 4.5 does a lot better for them, but still tough

[eager siren]

thanks I will try that :)

[graceful condor]

Got the same issue. The AI does not really care sadly. It just sees "there are female and male" and it is like rolling a dice where the vocals end up. Which is even more annoying if those Lines are dedicated to a certain singer because of its content. Because if he sings about her, it would be damn stupid her singing it for example. But sadly that is the case.

[eager siren]

yeah I generated more than 100 songs and I always have a kind of "vocal release" after some harsh vocals
i even think about maybe creating a second non harsh vocalist with an enforced dark style that could match the mood so I least I dont have the "out of mood" vocals

[livid crescent]

Regarding the contest, the primary song in that list seems to be the only one that you can submit remixes to. I've tried remixing the other songs and it won't pop up the 'submit' button

[livid crescent]

haha don't count on that as a fix. it'd probably still want to add the wrong thing. Suno is nothing if not persistent 😄

[analog pivot]

I don't even know how yo remix lol

[polar spade]

Yes. Looks that way. When you're done editing, the publish button says, [ Publish and Submit].

On their end, their sample songs will show a list of anyone who did a remix on it. So really, that's probably all it takes is to just make sure your publish it. But look for the `[Publish and Submit] button.

They've done 5 Remix Contests so far. Someone show make a how-to vid by now and show step by step. 😁

[polar spade]

Oh really? In a few, I'll check those out.

[analog pivot]

It didn’t even give me the option is it just re use style for the remix

[livid crescent]

yeah, the remixes I made with the main one that it shows (boneyard bounce), if you remix that one and then 'like' it and refresh you can submit them. All of the remixes I made for other songs in their playlist do not give the option to submit.

[eager siren]

i tried and got some buggy outputs. from a technical part, do i set 100% inspi, 100% style, same style description and same lyrics ? or some is left blank ?

[knotty stag]

I am trying to create a song, using lyrics from an old hymn written in 1861. I have made some changes to the words, but when I try to create the song in Suno, it says it cannot do so as it is copyrighted. As it was published before 1930, and very old, it is definitely not copyrighted. How can I get Suno to use my song lyrics (which are not even all the same as the original)?

[livid crescent]

So the way I did it, edit the song like you want and put it in a playlist. When you do the editing, try to keep the structure mostly the same. but replace all sections with the wrong vocal style(It's ok to use the wrong words as long as its in the desired vocal style). I used Studio, but you could download and use your own daw. Once it's in a playlist (by Itself), pick that playlist from inspo. use the same lyrics and style. Don't touch sliders. The result should be pretty close to what you're going for.. may take a couple tries

[eager siren]

ok thanks :)

[livid crescent]

I've used this method to get a mostly harsh/screams female vocalist, and that's tough to do lol.

[polar spade]

Did you wait long enough. The Publish button comes up with all I did a remix on from the playlist. Liking them didnt make a change for me.

I used the playlist and clicked Remix on all 7 songs. Then used only one of the four remix tools shown in the Remix dropdown menu. Alternating as i went along.

All showed a Publish button in the end. But all tools but Reuse Lyrics/Prompts showed a Remix badge of Mikes songs in the Song detail panel.

Only if I clicked the link in the first page of the contest (that does not go to the playlist) does it show a "Publish and Submit" button in the menu of our song or the "Submit Remix" button on our Library list.

I assume ANY remix that starts by click the REMIX button of the starter song will show on Mikes list, and then if published, that will take care of the submission. But there are some odd bits that can confuse those trying to enter. I'll keep trying to get someone to look at it.

[livid crescent]

I came back the next day... I assumed that would be long enough lol

[polar spade]

😁 I believe you. I havent the foggiest whats right. I'll test some more on the "reuse Styles and Prompts one , though also.

[livid crescent]

And it looks like you have the same thing... your remixes of 'The Monster Inside' have 'publish', not 'submit' links

I had a cool idea with that one lol... really wanted to push that one

[eager siren]

does a persona capture the singing style or also the instrumental style ?

[polar spade]

Right. Clicking the orange link just opens the create window with that song inside as audio, and when done is the only one with "publish and Submit" or "Submit Remix" ... the others from Clicking Remix in the playlist, Including this one , all 7, will ONLY have Publish button showing.

[livid crescent]

I think it's mostly intended for singing style? I Have had the instrumentation bleed in occasionally, but as long as I'm using 'cover' that rarely happens.

[livid crescent]

Exactly... so how would we submit remixes for those?

[polar spade]

Generally it captures what is the main qualities of the output. So if you set the audio slider to 99% while making a new song with no changes to the prompts you could get close to the vocal and instrumental.

But if you apply a persona to an old song, change the style prompts to indicate the style you now want in the new output and put in sone new lyrics or the lyrics of the old song you're adding to, the new song typically should just pick up the vocal and have a new sound or instrumental based on the style prompts and lyrics with maybe only a hint of the persona instrumental.

[polar spade]

I assume clicking Remix or it showing the Remix badge in your song will get your song on Mikes panel of remixes for that song. So I think everyone is probably good, provided they click the "Remix" button, and publish the output.

[livid crescent]

I have also tweaked levels to help push the vocal aspect... use vocal/instrument stems and turn the instruments way down

[polar spade]

if the remix badge is in your song, your song should be in Mikes list of remixes under that song .

[livid crescent]

but does that count as a submission?

[polar spade]

Many extras we can do to help. true.

[polar spade]

unknown

I'm asking. But its the weekend. No one's home.

But it would be silly if it did NOT count. All remixes in mikes list should count as long as they are published.

[livid crescent]

lol... I got the impression if we didn't 'submit' it wouldn't count

that's how most contests work

[polar spade]

Well, you have a point. If you go off the list, you wouldn't know any better. But if you go direction from the orange button link, it starts saying "submit" and makes us wonder. I think, ultimately any button that says "submit" is really the Publish button since we already clicked REMIX .

[livid crescent]

except for the fact that if you click 'publish', there is a separate button for submit to contest?

[polar spade]

Thats odd again. Hold on. I'll publish all my test songs. Thanks for the notice.

[livid crescent]

This suggests they are not the same thing...

[polar spade]

It does that normally. We just click twice when we publish. once on the list publish button and again , after clarifying all the options we want, click the Publish button on the popup.

I clicked all my publish buttons and they just get the popup to publish again.

[livid crescent]

on songs remixed from one of the other options, that middle 'submit remix to contest' isn't there

[polar spade]

yes. We already discussed that. They all say Publish only. Am i missing something else.

So, most are likely to click the Orange Button. It will go to Create panel with Song #7 I think, with no Remix menu. But assuming anything done is a remix as when done, the badge shows in our song panel and it will say "publish and Remix"

Anyone to make it to the Playlist and Click REMIX button, will get the dropdown menu. Do whatever they wish and Click Create. And get a publish button only, but badge still will show on most things (reuse style and prompts didnt show badge) , so it should show on the Remix list (submitted) and be published.

[spice birch]

How can I take this freaking Echo out of all the songs that I'm generated? And I'm not talking about just a little bitty Echo wth...

[timid sinew]

Already did somthing like this before, extending the song making it do the begenning and extending after the original ends, like twice.
Now it just got mad and does not wanna do it

[livid crescent]

OMG How can you make it stop making 2 minute intros? It's playing through 3 genres before it ever decides to sing anything

[reef pendant]

In this screenshot the extend time is 00:00.0
The extend time is the point in the song where you want the extension to start. Try changing it to be toward the end of the song.

[timid sinew]

I dont need to if, i extended it to 0:00 twice already

that means I can do it again

It turns out it worked once before, and then sometimes it would give an error, but it seems we lost that ability.

[wispy basin]

Anyone else having trouble with the image uploading, it looks like it's uploaded, but when I save it the image isn't there and when I post the link the image isn't there either

[polar spade]

-When was the last time you could extend from 00:00, and it worked? It sounds like its been awhile.

[timid sinew]

2 weeks ago

[polar spade]

Ahh. OK. Cool.

It's not supposed to work that way as that, as you say, at minimum would just create a copy or duplicate.

Occasionally gates get opened and we get a glitchy fun moment, like getting a 10 minute output out of thin air - - so then hours later, closed again.

I think we lost that ability then, as you said.

[ivory peak]

Trying to do duets with Suno. A total disaster. Tried with both 4.5+ and 5. It never respects tags. Really bad sound. What's going on with this platform?

[wanton cradle]

can I edit a persona I've created with a pro subscription after it ends?

[polar spade]

We can only create new personas. If you have personas, and go back to Basic free account, I don't think we lose them, we just don't have access to them.

[quick wedge]

Whoo 🥳
Here’s your award 🏅for helping answer questions in here 🫡
Have a great rest of your day. Hope you’re doing well too

[polar spade]

I feel terrible now. What's the number for 911?

[polar spade]

Someone hexed me for giving a poor suggestion I think.

[quick wedge]

Hope you’ll feel better just take it easy ❤️‍🩹
Don’t think there’s a number that would stop hexes though

[summer garnet]

Is there a way to get rid of a backing vocal that sounds weird without having to export stems? All I want to do is get rid of this terrible back vocal, but when I export stems, it just ruins the rest of the sound and its not worth it.

[polar spade]

. . . And keep the same style and genre? Might be tough on one shot. You can exclude styles which often have harmonic vocals: acapella, a capella, 70s rock, prog rock, gospel, background vocals, disco, chants, and so on.

Normally I just keep tweaking until I get one. I may start out with acoustic, fingerpicking, folk which has less background vocals, and try to build from there. Or in reverse, do my style prompts, get my output, then add excludes AND new prompts (or shave off a couple) one or a few at a time until BG vocals disappear.

[last bay]

It could be a song idea

[polar spade]

I want the royalties to pay my doctor fees.

[summer garnet]

Its only at this one part in the song where it sounds like wind comes through

[polar spade]

What's it doing on the Remaster or Cover? They can often change wind (or noise, crunches, pings, taps....) into an instrument or synth.. Often the lyrics can influence which noise it would change into.

[polar spade]

How's that Playlist coming? Each week it's getting longer.

[summer garnet]

I'll try to remaster it, cover generally doesn't help and almost always seems to make the audio quality worse for me

[quick wedge]

The Spark playlist I’m sure is doing well. I checked through the ones that other people submitted in. There’s a lot of skilled creators though 😊

[frozen dagger]

hard to say with indirect info, but it sounds like i would open it in editor, crop it. and then extend. i would not extend from the track without cropping because it could easily do the same long note thing

[summer garnet]

I'll try that out. Thanks for the feedback

[summer garnet]

Just for clarification. I would crop everything in the beginning up until that part? Then extend it after?

[frozen dagger]

id try removing the section you dont want/ crop what you do want. sounded like the wind sound was near the end, so cut that part off, our out. then try to extend without that sound in the tracks information at all

[summer garnet]

The wind part is actually part of the first line in the 2nd verse

[vague sleet]

I spent 50 credits to get the extra stems but was unable to download any of them. every time is try i get this message. If i cannot download the stems for use i need my credits back.

[frozen dagger]

if trying to remove an artifact (odd or unwanted sound) in the middle of a song, and just extending from before the sound occurs doesn't generate new extensions without the unwanted sound, then crop and save, and try to extend. (if extending normal kept producing same unwanted sound(s))

[arctic juniper]

anyone know how to write the lyrics so the ai holds a certain syllable for longer?
for example "Him" stretched out to Hiiiiiim for like a few seconds, just writing the word stretched out like this has not given me good results

[frozen dagger]

sometimes typing it as you did hiiiim, can produce results.
using an em dash (alt 0151) Hiiiii—m . can help. hyphens will create little pauses. try [melisma if you want the note to change in the held syllable. or [sing sustained note, "Hiiiim"]