📚┃suno-school

[near flume]

v5 doesn't have to be exclusively upgrades to the main function/model of the system. Adding Studio would be considered a major version change.

[wispy venture]

You can’t copyright song titles

[lost holly]

Suno declares many things rather as copyrighted then running into more problems, then they already have, in my experience.

[jagged oar]

i have never been able to use the word brat for reasons >.>

[polar spade]

Suno uses the term "copyrighted" loosely as a general term for "already publicly available". 😊

[neat nexus]

It's less Suno and more the AI they use to check things. That's why I'm trying to do this. To help reduce that sort of thing.

[polar spade]

But AJR made "Here We Go" so iconic. 😅

[neat field]

it's really a shame Bark never got an update.

[neon slate]

Why is it so hard for Suno to sing just the hook for a song with a female vocals. Instead of duetting through out.

[lusty juniper]

any chance one day we can use 2 personas for a duet? 🙂

[inner bramble]

Does Suno have an API where i can grab all the project names, playlist names, workspace names, etc. in my account??

[neat nexus]

Oh! Make that a suggestion! #💡┃suggestions-web

That way the Team will see it!

[lucid drum]

Maybe Superbands one day.. ? 🥺 👉 👈

[neat nexus]

I'd just love to see something that lets us have a Gorillaz style virtual band. I know it's close...

It just has to be...

[lost holly]

Suno does not have a public API. Any claims otherwise are unauthorized. To use Woodhouses phrasing.

[flint haven]

Beware: there is NO official Suno API

🚨 Suno does not have a public API. Any claims otherwise are unauthorized.

[lusty juniper]

ever since the new UI update... my experience with Suno has not been smooth. Its laggy. clunky. 🙁

[tepid moth]

I am making a upbeat pop song for kids, that shall be used in kindergarten. Everything is fine on the verses, but on the chorus she sings so bright. I want her to sing one octave down, so actually the kids can sing with her. Any suggestions how I can guide the AI to do that? Every version I make a cover she screams, screams and screams in ultra high octave.

[unborn star]

Type [Minimal Voice instruction]

[spice brook]

is it suposed to happen where i click the button to expand the lyrics tab to see the whole thing it goes blurry for likr 5 seconds then removes half of the lyrics?

[tepid moth]

That actually did the trick at least for one version I pumped out now. Thanks!

[shy spear]

ANyone know why When I try to preview replacement clips when editign a song, the "Replace Lyrics" section closes and the generations are no longer shown as options for replacement? This is literally draining my credits.

[unborn star]

NP =)

[shy spear]

Its super annoying because I go like 'Oh thats perfect!' then it vanishes. Idiotic thing is that all the replacement clips are in my library

[jagged oar]

you can try adjusting the sliders to focus less on audio and more on style until you find the right balance

but if you think in normal terms like lets say Slipknot. If that was the persona it would always reference Slipknot. But you want Corey Taylor, not Slipknot. But when Corey sings sings, he doesnt SOUND like when hes doing a slipknot song. So you can take that into account to get close to the right voice, because in reality it wouldn't be 1:1 the same voice just minus screaming

because your persona does that, if you make the persona off the parts where there is no screaming, it will never reference the screaming

if doing it based on inspo, you would need the inspo track to not have the screaming parts

you can, but you have to edit and crop out what you dont want used as inspo

[shy spear]

I am thoroughly, genuinely convinced things like this are designed to drain credits at this point lol I lose more credits in the editor than anything.

[cosmic birch]

In the web based Song Editor, using Extend, it says to 'Use "New Lyrics" to enter new lyrics to replace your selection.' Where is "New Lyrics"?

[shy spear]

Under Lyrics, when you click "Replace Lyrics", a new box will pop up there.

[cosmic birch]

Replace Lyrics is greyed out under Extend.

[shy spear]

You need to select the section you want to replace lyrics for, by click the name of each section, or click/holding and dragging. You also need Premium, I think.

[halcyon sundial]

just for me or suno is ultra bugged today?

not even singing the lyrics i put

sh1t pronunciations lazy melodics

[crisp bronze]

any way to fix this? no enable / disable button

[viral pond]

why does suno keep betatesting on end users?

don't hey have testers in house ?

[soft gyro]

Hi. I am looking for 20 minutes in Suno Studio for this menu. Anyone knows where is it hiding? How can I activate it ?

[viral pond]

I cannot save prompts anymore ?

[half dragon]

You're the lucky ones to have access to Studio before it even released to the public.

[soft gyro]

I know, but that does not help 🙂

[half dragon]

exactly - not many can help you here

[soft gyro]

It's weird though they hid the button so not even me can find it...

[half dragon]

Don't they have a close group that you can get help from ..or other close group testers?

[soft gyro]

Not that I know of... I am not a beta tester...

[half dragon]

interesting - then how did you get access to it before it released?

[soft gyro]

you could apply too... I just got early access

[half dragon]

ah - nice - I did apply as well

maybe it'll come soon

[soft gyro]

lol, I lost the whole edits and work I made in Suno Studio .. and cannot find any way to restore /load that again... far away from intuitive many functions. Functions and buttons spread everywhere

[tepid moth]

I did apply minutes after they announced it and haven`t got access yet. Anyhows I think its soon going to be released to the public together with version 5, so Im not stressing with it.

[formal orbit]

When can we beta-test Suno studio? I already join waiting list but nothing for a month

[graceful condor]

In my case the songs are already 5 min long. So it is not a case of not being enough material. Also it has all parts Intro-Verse-Chorus-Verse-Bridge-Chorus-Outro. And even if I delete all of the lyrics and the only part I fill into the Lyrics sections it the Outro. It starts to sing the last Chorus. Which is not even mentioned anymore. It is so weird.

[cosmic birch]

I have premium, and that is Replace, not Extend.
I don't know where, or if, the UI has a "New Lyrics" option for Extend.

[quick sonnet]

Do you mean for a video?

[soft gyro]

I cannot see any Model 5.0 in Suno Studio....

[quick sonnet]

V5.0 was not released.

[soft gyro]

here is a good video about Suno Studio....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BIvane-rgY&t=10s

I've just made a test with Suno Studio.. the vocal stem had a lot of snare sound in it.. so it was far from "clean sound".
But anyway: now, with Suno Studio could generate a new vocal track which should be theoretically "clean" from errors of the stem separation.
I am curious about the midi export in the future.

[quick sonnet]

Does that video has some kind of location recognition?

[alpine blaze]

meeehh i'm still waiting on my inviite 😭😭😭

[trail junco]

So you can generate a new, totally clean vocal track without any reverb or echo? I have been hoping for this for a long time. Can you change the lyrics are the same time?

[chrome gate]

wondering that too!

probably not without reverb though

[lyric kestrel]

what’s the point of excluding styles when it doesn’t work lol

[quick sonnet]

I created a song in another AI, but it doesn't have the style I wanted. The chorus is good, though, both the melody and the vocals. How can I make Suno use the exact chorus, but with rap verses?

[tepid moth]

I think that sounds too good to be true. Just have too wait and see but in todays state of the stems, that would be a miracle.

[soft gyro]

hey, with "clean" I did not mean without sound effects, but without errors from stem separation !

[soft gyro]

for a company a lot: to pretend you have done smth for your customers !

[trail junco]

Ah, so no different from what we have now then. 😐

[soft gyro]

depends how you put it ! Cause you cannot now change only the vocal or an instrument's track! With Studio you can !

I changed in my test only the drum track...it is great to be able to do that without changing anything else ! This is smth new possible only in Studio !

[tepid moth]

Are the stems sounding better than from the stem separation, when you create individuals tracks?

[near flume]

basically you're an Alpha tester. If it were in Beta everyone would have access to it like everything else in Suno.

[graceful condor]

What happened to the COVER function? This is so beyond broken. Now you do not even recognize a hint of the Audio you used within the new songs melody. Before you could add any audio and write as detailed prompts as you wanted but it still incorporated the Audio Melody into the created track.

The only way I found to have at least a bit of the Audio music/melody within the created track is to erase literally everything except plain Lyrics. No prompts nothing. And this is really ruin all creative process.

Did anyone find a way to get the Audio Melody even if you use detailed prompts? Anything with the sliders maybe?

[soft gyro]

never had time or need to do that before, the stem separation. So I cannot tell. But I think it is the same function as before. They just added it here !

[soft gyro]

I do a lot of covers. Last time only 5 days ago. And the vocal melody always stays always there if you don't set the sliders wrongly. So I don't know what you do wrong not to achieve that ! Make a screenshot of your sliders!

[soft gyro]

you are right !!! Amazing discovery !

[trail junco]

I think 4.5+ takes a lot more creative liberties than older models. Sliders and prompts need to be adjusted a lot to find a sweet spot for covers.

[polar spade]

I learned something today: When deleting songs as a group within the Library. Have one song selected as playing. Then select all outputs in the list you wish deleted and click menu/delete. No problem. So far , so good.

Then I have discovered if you go down to the playbar and click the playing song's menu , we can choose Remove Permanently. I didnt know that. You can accept to permanently remove the full group of songs you just deleted, without having to go to the Trash Bin to do it.

side note: Physically, you can click "Restore to Library " then, on the playing song, and it will say "restoring XXX songs" but it wont do that.

[graceful condor]

I created a couple of songs now from the same prompt and lyrics and changed the Sliders into all directions to see the differences and when or if it adapts the COVER Audio I used. But why is the Weirdness Slider missing in most of the cases see in the first creation all 3 are displayed and also in the 2nd one but after that like n Picture 2 only Style and Audio is displayed but no weirdness anymore. So all the testing is pointless because now I do not know anymore what I chose. Why are they missing? Bug?

[polar spade]

Did you happen to have it at 50% or default. They wont show if set initially to default. But honestly I havent tested to slide them away from 50%, then back to 50% to see if they show.

[graceful condor]

So if it is not shown it was more or less at 50%

[polar spade]

You're asking for a verification. I'd have to test. 😄 Let see . hold on.

[polar spade]

still testing

[tranquil leaf]

I just deleted the lyrics in the song I'm currently working on to see what you mean, and at the little "instrumental" tag in the bottom corner of that section, it quickly popped up a thing that said "saved info" which included some of the prompting I had deleted in the lyrics section. I can't get it to repeat the popup, but I'm guessing it is saving data from previous generations. Very frustrating, especially when you're explicitly trying to change things.

[foggy phoenix]

So supposedly this got leaked today on reddit. Meaning we might get v5 today

What do you think

And what do they mean when saying getting studio results

I have so many questions

[tranquil leaf]

To me, "studio results" would mean a much more consistent audio quality, including cleaner stems.

[foggy phoenix]

I hope

If i can create a song so good now i might just spam my tiktok with songs

Or create a little "producer" tiktok acc. So i can try get a little fame

[polar spade]

Yep. Verified. If you have Weirdness or Style set at 50% , it doesnt show in the panel as that is "default" , meaning 1%-49% and 51%-99% are your best settings for effects to show.

[foggy phoenix]

I cant wait to fool my parents with so amazing songs that they think it came from the radio

Or like even better other places on the internet

Like

I imagine we are going to witness ai music so dominant that artists themselves even embrace suno

[graceful condor]

but this does not mean that 50% has no effect, right?

[foggy phoenix]

Like if it drops today a fundamental shift in the music industry happens

[polar spade]

The effect is "default" whatever that means. But it has "no effect" to what you would get from doing nothing with the sliders. yes.

[foggy phoenix]

No longer served by individuals but by the entire world

Creating such a massive Library of music that streaming services feels like a repeated joke

[polar spade]

When they come out with a new Model, the "default" can change. So thats why we have to re-learn the sliders with each model.

[graceful condor]

Did not know that. So in the end if I wanna get no weirdness effect means either 0% or 50%?

[polar spade]

mehh.... technically, at 0% you are removing the "default" as well so there is NO strength at all. But thats been debatable.

[foggy phoenix]

To me weirdness is a realism slider the less weird the more realism. The more style the more radio like beat it is when weirdness is lower

[graceful condor]

But the more Style means it sticks more to your Style Prompt or am I missing something? Why is more Style more Radio like.

[foggy phoenix]

Oh definitely what i meant to say. I was just not sure how to explain it properly

Im not a english native speaker haha

[polar spade]

I never use 0% or 100% . If i dont wnat any inflence though, I use 1% and not leave at 50% default. Default is just the settings set for the model you are using, which are suppose to be the best "sound and mastering" that the devs felt work over all the genres for that model. But as a weirdness level, the farther left to 1% you go, I would assume the closer to a dry and unwavering sound it would be , even from "default" . Can I prove it. Not really. 🤔

[soft gyro]

I never moved Weirdiness slider 🙂

[polar spade]

Youre right there. More style should pull in more influence from the Style box and Lyrics , including metatags

[foggy phoenix]

Do you guys think they add more sliders down the line to v5

[graceful condor]

So Style Sliders is for both Lyric and Style prompts?

I use 100% but only at Audio, if I use a Persona or Audio or both.

[polar spade]

There should not be a causation between Styles near 100% and a radio sound. If you get that from every output with completely different prompts as well as no prompts, then that a reportable glitch. If youre getting that from 10 generations of the same prompts and lyrics, you should change something to see what that will alter.

[soft gyro]

Gosh, I have to listen and sort 5000 songs I created but did not have time to listen 🙂

[graceful condor]

But if I want the AI to stick to the Persona or Audio 100% or close to it at Audio Slider is bette or?

[polar spade]

If you hover your mouse over the Info dot beside Audio Influence, it says "slide to affect your audio or your persona. " Thats seems, to me, if audio slider is near 100% it helps pull in the "song" vibes and instrumentals from the audio but will really push the vocal characteristics from the Persona and not as much the instrumentation of the Personas, unless you allow the Style Prompts of the Persona to stay as well and you have the style slider up a bit.

[polar spade]

Thats why good settings for Covers is about 80% Audio and 65% style... generally. At those settings , not as much of the styles of the persona are pulled in, provided you have lyrics in the lyrics box.

[graceful condor]

But the Audio Slider is for both Persona and Audio file if you use one. So if I use both what does the Audio Slider prioritize the Audio or the Persona because both are linked to it. is there a sweet Spot for the Persona? Because at many cases 100 doesn't seem to be the case.

[neat nexus]

That too. Getting repeatable characters is really close on the visual level so being able to get the exact same vocals and distinctive style in different songs would be the next step on the path.

[polar spade]

see my comment above ☝️ #📚┃suno-school message I hope I tried to say that... the sweet spot seems to be about 78%

[polar spade]

yea.... generally I dont use 100%... and rarely anything in the red zone.

[polar spade]

just adding this screenshot. Weird slider was moved away from 50%.... an output was made... then Weird Slider put back to 50% and output was made.... And not showing Weird Slider anymore in the panel.

[graceful condor]

78% if you want to AI to be as close to the Persona as possible, correct? And should you even use any further Vocal descriptions in Style or Lyrics or does this change the Persona again and maybe interfere too much. So should I normally let the Persona work for themselves without mentioning any vocal aspect in the prompts anymore?

[soft gyro]

Help! Since the last UI update I cannot find the simple lyrics generator existed before. I either have to provide my lyrics or use the more complex lyrics generator that is in a separate window. Somebody here in Discord said though this simple lyrics generator it would still be there. Can anyone confirm or infirm that ? I cannot see it...

[polar spade]

Everything will affect everything. So thats a good question. in Theory, thats right. But I dont know all of the "styles" that the "code" as I call it, is pulling or propogating from the seed output. So who knows. Again, its about experimenting. We doefinitely won't get the same results from leaving sliders at the same spot with each output.

Does a style prompt, similar to some vibe in the Personas help to enhance the persona? I dont know. Can we set style slider up a bit to have influence or power/strenght AGAINST how much "style" or instrumentation comes across from the persona? I dont know.

[soft gyro]

VRking, do you know how it was before ? There were 2 lyrics generators.

[graceful condor]

Thanks for the help 🙂

[half dragon]

Yeah there was 2 buttons before, Per Line and Full Song
I think they renamed and moved them to this new location.

[polar spade]

Ask around. Dont let just me say it. If others contradict me. Then ask why. No problem. But I hope this shows insight on how I veiw it based on my experience.

[soft gyro]

no, no.... not really like this! The complex one had 2 options: whole lyrics and per line. The simple one was separate and you could only give a topic.... max 200 chars instructions like "make a song about BLABLA".

[graceful condor]

Of right now if the Ai misspells a word in a song there is no real way to fix it beside "Remaster" right? because the editor sounds weird and does not match the overall sound loudness and style in most cases.

[half dragon]

Hmmm.. I remember the write full song option would then give you that box to type in then choose the lyric model then it'd generate 2 versions of lyric to choose from.
Is that what you meant? the other way is to use Simple Mode.

[soft gyro]

You can fix lyrics also with the cover function. I changed even whole lyrics but keeping the whole vocal melody with Cover

[soft gyro]

well, the simple lyrics generator seem to be gone ! The complex one is still there, I know that.

[polar spade]

sometimes it just seems easier to just have a chatbot assistant open in another window, for things like changing a line here or there. Its was somewhat tedious to do in Suno. If they needed the space, thats one I dont mind not being there, though I had fun experimenting with it.

[graceful condor]

What? How? Cover generates a whole new song not a change of a certain word. And getting exactly the same track is not really possible. I mean you could get a very similar one but not exactly all the same, same voice, same instruments, effects, what and how the instruments play or the singer spells words in a certain way. Or am I missing something?

[soft gyro]

I used the simple lyrics generator before to consume my credits at the end of the "month".. it was a very fast way to make lyrics only giving a topic !
Now that important feature for me is gone. It even made great lyrics !

[soft gyro]

you set the similiarity slider to ~90% and change lyrics. That is all ! You must do smth wrong or different !

[graceful condor]

Best with lyrics so far is Gemini Pro. In my opinion. Tried ChatGPT Too which is not bad too and Grok but sticked to Gemini Pro in the end.

[graceful condor]

There was actually no word to be changed the AI just misspelled a word like into total gibberish which maked no sense. Remaster gladly fixed it. And in the end if you really wanna have the same song nothing comes as close as Remaster. I just wish there was a option to just exchange a single word in a good way.

[polar spade]

You're more right to say there will be changes. Setting Audio to 99% and Weird and Styles sliders to 1% and clear the style box ..... then change that one word in the lyrics. It will, yes, give a new Cover song, but hopefully sound quite similar and satifactory enough to use. But to leave it intact and just change a word, which means altering a whole line or even a stanza, would need done in the Edit UI.

[soft gyro]

to make lyrics with an external AI or with the more complex lyrics generator from Suno requiers a lot more time and effort than as it was the case with the old Suno generator. This way I could make a lot of songs with usable lyrics and my own lyrics structure in a very fast way.
So if this generator is gone, it will take me a lot more time to spend my credits at the end of the month. At least 4-5 more time !

Guys, I NEVER moved the weirdiness slider (let it at 50%) to get covers with the same vocal melody and I did tons of covers.

[polar spade]

The problem is , even with just a word, that "word" may be part of two or three tokens or segments of that word and the words before and after it. So Suno needs enough space, left and right of that word to make adjustments and squeeze in the new word, even if its the same or near amounts of letters . Using FIXED or SMART will do its best to use as little space to the sides of the word to blend a new word back in.

[soft gyro]

I had songs with unmatching lyrics, so I made a cover and change the lyrics, set the similarity slider to ~90% and I got the song with new lyrics but same vocal melody.

[graceful condor]

Honestly what is the freakin issue lately that a song which is already close to 5 min and only a short outro left generates an Extend all the freakin time that is not only 3-4 min long but also starts singing again. Before it was so easy to just generate a short outro, something around a minute or less. But now really nearly every time the Ai starts to sing a chorus or more again but there is nothing in the lyrics anymore to sing about but it still sings. this is so irritating and annoying. And costs so many wasted credits to finally get 1 good ending out of dozens over dozens.

[soft gyro]

Outros always have been a weak point in Suno !

[polar spade]

yea. Its a personal choice. I like having all options. I'll even say, I dont find the new "mood" enhancer of much use to me... Write a happier song? I just sit down and rewrite the song myself. ha ha.

[soft gyro]

Yeah, everybody like a "lot of choices", but Suno removes some of them with every update. This seem to be the case also with that simple lyrics generator !

[polar spade]

Right. Only so many chocolates can go in the box.

[graceful condor]

But it was not as bad as it is now. I mean why singing whole verses or chorus if literally this is all the lyric sections has left and is in it:

[Outro]
[Arrangement:Heavy djent groove hits a final,powerful,syncopated riff,cuts to a lingering,distorted vocal sample that slowly fades.Pulsating synth from intro returns,fades to silence]

[polar spade]

I feel myself starting to "pile on". So I will go take a break.

[graceful condor]

Does sliders effect the length of the "Outro" aka small ending of a song?

[quick sonnet]

But isn't it already covered by that persona feature? I am free user, so have not much knowledge about that.

[neat nexus]

In my experience Persona gets us closer. I use it to nudge things to get closer to the results I want.

But it's entirely possible I'm doing it wrong? I think some people really do a good job at getting results that sound the same but different in the sense of the same performers performing. I don't really have that confidence yet in my outputs. I have fun but it usually feels like a different group every time to me.

[soft gyro]

Bad Outro endings should not be a problem anymore since you have FADE Out function. 99% of the songs on CDs end with a fading out anyway.

[stone zodiac]

I want to mimic a song called "Bed On Fire" by Ralf Gyllenhammar, but each time that I write "rock" in the prompt for styles, the song goes a bit too energetic. What else can I do to keep it a bit calm?

[graceful condor]

Fade outs sound so generic and cheap in most cases. It might work in some instances but it really depends where the songs cut off

[soft gyro]

don't write any style. Just use an accurate prompt (specially the beginning) describing the song, made by Chatgpt

[soft gyro]

Outros like you want you find usually only in live concerts songs...actually. Listeners dont care about how a song end.

[stone zodiac]

Made by ChatGPT??? 🤨

[soft gyro]

the prompt, yes

[stone zodiac]

But what is ChatGPT included for? Isn't this Suno?

[graceful condor]

In this case I am my main listener and I care xDD because I waste a lot of time on them.

[soft gyro]

you use Chatgpt to genrate the prompt for that song

[stone zodiac]

But I already made my own song, I wrote the lyrics myself? It's the instruments that I lack and ChatGPT can't play? Just told me to get Suno.

[soft gyro]

before spending tons of credits and time and nerves for a song outro... it is better to make it end with Fade Out... ppl seem to forget that 99% of the songs end this "generic" way....

[soft gyro]

ah, well, you want to "tame" an existing song only ? Not to make another one. Which part do you want to tame ?

[stone zodiac]

I write "Rock" in the styles-category and I hear metal-screams, no breaks, no calming down, (I now realize that all I explained is called "No drops").
Just far too much power all the time.

[soft gyro]

one way is to you make a cover of your song and give another prompt (style) ... you can also add some commands to the individual part like "calm" - for example "calm chorus"

and you can use a chatgpt generated prompt for that cover .. and remove anything which it would make it energetic...
and add extra commands to make it "calm"
Suno tends to make parts more energetic ... it is not easy to tame it since the model won't listen to the command many times

[neat field]

qwen-omni-audio does some ok song analysis.....

[polar spade]

What's a song analysis? In terms of style or a critique?

[neat field]

Style, if you have a song you want a little more help refining the prompt for

[polar spade]

Ahh. OK.

[polar spade]

Curious: have you read their Terms of Service for Qwen, especially article III. 3. Regarding waiving copyrights?

[neat field]

wat.... reading

[polar spade]

Sorry. III. 3. .

[neat field]

well, their Omni GH is apache 2.0, although strangely their HF model pages do not seem to have a model licence page yet ? but they do have a Apache 2.0 license tag

i was using the HF demo space, which would fall under HF TOS

[polar spade]

OK. As you wish. Just noting if someone used the Qwen (Alibaba) chatbot to discuss their lyrics, that would fall under biding by the TOS for that site. Might be helpful to know.

Carry on.

[neat field]

it was a good comment, thanks for pointing that out for people

[fading rover]

this is something alibaba keeps doing right? i heard that they did it on qwen image, image edit and qwen3 as well. but tbh im happy somebody is releasing stuff at least half open source.

[hard beacon]

Ok.. i was wrong with v5 🙂

[zenith depot]

Will it be possible to prompt changes just by talking in the chat box, such as saying from 0:10 - 0:30 I want it to sound like ______?

[ripe galleon]

does v5 generate hq audio that doesnt have any cutoffs in frequency?

cant check for myself because im free tier sadly

[spiral frost]

is shimerring back with v5 ? x)

[solid ivy]

man, suno really struggles with "heavy music" like V5 still has the same "compression" issues it had in V4.5+.. what about "metal" does suno not like while producing it, that makes it so "compressed" sounding and it all kind of garbles together.. it's been this way since V3.5..

[hard beacon]

New credits will arrive in 7 days 😉

[quick sonnet]

You are not alone. Hope once v5 is out of beta v4 will get avaible for all.

[ripe galleon]

yeah that too

i hope V4 will be for free tier

but rn im curious on the audio quality of V5 songs

[sullen marsh]

Suno v5 drops words

[spiral frost]

wym ?? x)

[spiral frost]

No bro i hope not

[quick sonnet]

It's still beta.

[ripe galleon]

oh why not?

[spiral frost]

we make money with this treasure lmao

[sullen marsh]

yes, I just tried it with a few songs.

[spiral frost]

idk it seems its a bit on the high side again like V4

[ripe galleon]

me personally i want V4 because v3.5s audio quality is kinda wack but

i get what you mean

[spiral frost]

man if you wanna try V4 just pay 10 euros 1 time / cancel sub.. its worth it believe me.

[quick sonnet]

You're way too greedy. Besides, you can't make any money as a free user, so your money wouldn't be at risk.

[sullen marsh]

I hope it gets better. quali is ok

[ripe galleon]

the setback thats keeping me for doing that is the lack of money sadly

[spiral frost]

man its ok just kiddin :p

[ripe galleon]

i dont have any income and my parents definitely wouldnt pay that stuff

[spiral frost]

you're following a server that can bring you somewhere -> blender

learn it, take your first 50bucks -> buy a suno sub ❤️

[ripe galleon]

thats actually creative thinking of you ill be very honest

[quick sonnet]

And once v5 is out of beta, you will posibly make even more money. 🙂

[ripe galleon]

ill think about it

i just dont have my own bank account yet so ill have to discuss that with them

of course continue to Learning modelling will be a pain in my butt but if it helps get me money early then awesome

didnt think about this before

this filter sucks

[umbral forge]

Chirp

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is no longer working

Chirp is retired, and no longer on discord. You can make music now on our website: https://suno.com

[soft gyro]

what is your impression from V 5.0 ? I am just making some covers to test it

one version is wow !

But at the end the male voice gets hoarse 🙂 too bad

[long spindle]

Does anyone know how to limit EXACTLY what instruments you get within the song, Ive tried to exclude the ones that i dont want but it seems like it struggles to limit it to just one

[sullen marsh]

Suno says it’s supposed to sound more human. 🤣

[soft gyro]

"exclude" has just cosmetic functions. It never worked for me in 18 months.

[sullen marsh]

Honestly, my impression is negative — the songs break up like a CD skipping, and Suno cuts out words.

Naturally, that costs credits.

[soft gyro]

I have 20000 credits to burn in 9 days... so I can try a lot. But really compare you can only in DAW, 2-3 covers of the same 4.5+ song to really hear the difference... anything else it would be subjective

[surreal lion]

Does anyone have any tips to try and get more mumble rap type stuff out of v5? like Lil Uzi, future type stuff? everything i generate sounds like suicide boys lol

[supple moon]

I typically will go to “advanced settings” and put in anything I do not want and 8/10 it works for me.

[lost forge]

Counterpoint singing finally works in V5. worlds apart from 4.5! today is a good day.

[supple moon]

Really?
Not trying to argue your point, but I have quite a few beautifully sung songs with 4.5!

[lost forge]

It took me endless credits to get one right, more consistent now I‘d say.

[quiet estuary]

V5 loading only and take Credits but no Songs

[supple moon]

If it helps, this one only took me 4 tries (8 songs)

https://suno.com/s/NK6YsV9J4cwsxv5O

And ever since I’ve built them like this, the number of my throw away songs have diminished a lot.

[weary gulch]

suno v5 down 🙁

[scarlet hinge]

Hi Everyone, I'm so existed for the v5 release.
Any special guide or tips on how to better use Suno v5? how it's different in terms for prompts and meta-tags?

[near ice]

i already seatch for the documents but there aren't any availible yet

[compact shuttle]

Suno is taking forever to generate and my wifi is fine, this a issue for anyone else orr?

[sullen marsh]

Yeah, same here.

[supple moon]

It’s likely being overloaded with the amount of people making songs as they test v5

[quick sonnet]

If there is no song, you should get the credits back. I've had credits refunded for completely failed songs.

[supple moon]

Did you have to reach out to support?

For the “no song” I mean

[modern cobalt]

me toooooooooo suno is forever generating...

suno status is red...

ver 5 is awesome.....

[compact shuttle]

Just let thru sum generations but they're less then ideal

[quick sonnet]

No, they were refunded automatically.

[sullen marsh]

it is normal

[modern cobalt]

status is greeeen

[quick sonnet]

I know.

[soft gyro]

I noticed a scratchy sound in the vocals in the last 3-4 months in the 4.5+ ... not all the time or from beginning... but very obvious... did you notice too ?

[quiet estuary]

Yeah same here 20min+ loading on a song

[scarlet hinge]

At least from what I see so far, the shouting issue is less common in v5, but still the long intro (like 30-60 sec.) still occur

[near flume]

How are you defining your intros?

[olive radish]

How can I change bpm manually

[blazing sequoia]

hello ppl. can i ask suno tech queation here

[ionic turret]

no problem here i refreshed and tadaa lol

[ornate grove]

anyone found reliable way to correctöy flag male and female sections with v5?

I feel like "characters" or at least gender of singers within the song should have been prio 1 long time ago 🙁

at this point it feels like suno is choosing wrong one on each flag on purpose

for example this https://suno.com/s/QIgO4AAu8Q4NpUIZ

same result with [Male] or [Man]

how is it possible that it gets the order wrong every time, every generation?

[blazing sequoia]

hey guys my account app on phone somehow got unlinked from my phone # and i csnt login to it anywhere, other phones desktops. it takes me to new acct. if i logout from acrive loggedin app ill loose acccess to my paid subscr. any ideas?

[ionic turret]

https://suno.com/s/xOdE3MrzDPND8yEo pump that beat 5 is pretty kewl 🙂 with prompt hacks even more oh yea hehe

[scarlet hinge]

sometimes, it's just [Intro], sometimes it's like [Intro]
(Instrumental build-up with a gritty, reverb-soaked guitar riff)

and sometimes there is no meta-tags for intro at all...

[ionic turret]

[Intro – 32 bars]
(no lyrics — dark rolling bass, filtered pads, FX risers every 8 bars, tribal percussion echoes)

🙂

[ornate grove]

yeah, i don't even read what gemini hallucinates into them anymore

(The song begins with a single, mournful cello note. A clean electric guitar plays a delicate, sorrowful arpeggio. The atmosphere is fragile and tense.) seems to have been in that one i linked

[quick forum]

Me, too. And it was in my good song. I tried mastering and it is still there. I then tried a cover with the same song with 100% influence of the audio, same. Then I tried 95% influence, but a portion my melody changed completely. I separated the vocal and added instruments. This time the instrument and the vocal time did not match because the scratches had shifted some time in between. See how much credits are wasted because of the scratch..

[half dragon]

try #archived-ticket-help for account issue

[fading oxide]

Hello everyone, its only me, or this V5 even if seems sounds sound better, the song contruction is way worst than the 4.5 ?

[opal orbit]

I haven't tested it throughly yet, but it seems like its just interpreting the style box differently, rather than the song construction being worse.

Like, it seems like there is less "weirdness" happening overall?

[fading oxide]

I mean, 90 % of the songs I get have glitches , it is buggy.

[opal orbit]

What kind of glitches?

I'm not trying to troubleshoot you or anything. I'm just curious, I'm messing around with it to see what's different

[fading oxide]

can I sahre with you a song in private?

[opal orbit]

go for it

[raven turtle]

Updating 4.5+ tracks to 5 is amazing!!! Sounds almost release ready. Just some end of track cuts offs and reverb shimmer, but damn it’s close to go!

[storm pawn]

Have any of you experienced sudden shift in how hip hop tracks or sung? They lost all the punchy vibe... I'm hopeless since I had a persona, created dozens of tracks, and I cannot get it sound similar at all for the past week!
Here is an example gerenated in 4.5+ somewhere Mid-august: https://suno.com/s/J2oEBeXTOpyGr6jX (I try to cover/remaster it to improve the vocal quality)
Here is an example of today, but honestly I have like 20+ covers with audio influence 65-90% that I did in the past week, using original personas and not, and all of them have the same blues-vibe/sung hip hop without any grit or punchiness: https://suno.com/s/3KwPlNtqFtu8l7xn

[polar spade]

Oh well. I tried. Woodhouse said my font was too big? I didnt know we could set font size in Discord.

[opal orbit]

Lol, I saw your message for a fraction of a second -dissapear- and thought 'Woodhouse strikes again'.

[polar spade]

Thanks. But where was the large fonts?

[ornate grove]

ah, i think that deleted message was the notification I got

[final hazel]

Let me explain. You said

hashtags

People use the # for bigger font..

[ornate grove]

line breaks?

@polar spade can you write that as an example

[polar spade]

Oh yea . I put one in there. OK. Thanks.

[final hazel]

If it happens, just let me know and I will help recover your text 😉

[polar spade]

Sorry. Line "spacing". You have them correct where it should help to influence the gender change in vocals.

[ornate grove]

I tried like

[Male]
Lyrics lyrics

[Female]
Lyrics lyrics

[polar spade]

Yes. Thanks. Normally, I just get mad at Woodhouse (which just means im mad at myself) and dont care if the text is recovered. Haha.

[final hazel]

Don't be.. some rules are a bit tricky, but I always try to tweak or help like in this case. I don't want the users to be frustrated for the wrong reasons. 😉

[ornate grove]

if I can make one wish for V6 or the studio is the ability to assign specific "singers" with a tag or flag, like have "create singer", name it Male, and then have "insert singer button" in the lyrics, select Male from there. Then Create singer again, female, insert Female

maybe have the section with start and end tags

Male Start and Male End

could be done with Personas also. add persona, automatically creates start and end points and we write lyrics in between

[solar acorn]

Has anyone been having trouble making New York Drill raps for those that make music in that genre? Everything comes out okay however the issue I get is that the rappers' voices turn out to be UK drill rappers not NYC Drill Rappers.

[polar spade]

That typically works best. So youre in the right direction. If the gender doesnt change i then find something to divide the segments to indicate more of a change than just a line space..

It could be a couple of dashes:

[male]
lyrics. --

With your 90s style you could put an (ohh) before the next segment :

[male]
Lyrics --

(ohh)
[female vocals] (passionate)
Lyrics

Also, dont capitalize any prompts to help suno from reading any as Proper nouns.

[raven turtle]

Agreed. Having a named vocalist you can use as a standard would be great. Like Audimee or Kits.ai.

[ornate grove]

yes, I have extensive experience with suno, so I know that everything duet related is wishing at the well at best. guess its waiting for v6 then

[polar spade]

By the by, I recognize your handle as someone who's been here awhile so forgive me if I say something you already know. I always have to assume to start at basic concepts. 🙏

[ornate grove]

4.5 was actially better with hallucinated (unprompted) duettos. This song is the best one I have ever, ever heard from myself or anyone made with suno nor any AI. I played it to my metal listener friends at their birthday party and they were flabbergasted. https://suno.com/s/LpR76HfE3wKvN9vP

[opal orbit]

So I've messed around with covering a few different songs to see what would happen. It does seems like it veers away from the 'feel of the song' pretty often.

It seems that it tries to recreate the melody with different instruments and emphasizes parts of the instrumental that were present, but not obvious in the original version - making the overall song sound very different. It also seems like it is emphasizing the drums and bass a LOT.

It is also taking strong cues from the style box. And since V5 is interpreting instructions different from V4.5+, you get a different sound.

For example;
If in V4.5+ I put [electric guitar melodies] and got an electric guitar accompaniment to the song motif.
In V5 I put the same thing, [electric guitar melodies], and get a much louder sound for that instrument, and it seems pre-mastered in a rock style unless I specifically tell it otherwise.

Is this consistent to what anyone else has been experiencing? I'm curious.

Like it definitely seems to be following user instructions more closely, which is what everyone wanted, it just has some bugs to work out as far as incorporating everything.

[ornate grove]

anyone had the studio beta? does it have more song control, or what is its thing?

[opal orbit]

I don't think anyone with Studio Beta is allowed to answer questions about it 'till its out

[mossy pivot]

V5 is bad compared to 4.5+

[ornate grove]

sometimes i really miss the days when suno discord was just unfiltered joy, even mods and admins telling about things that are coming in some hazy future

[opal orbit]

Has it not been following your instructions at all? Not trouble-shooting, just curious

[mossy pivot]

So flat

Like it’s not as good as how it sounds in 4.5+

[wild salmon]

I also add an age like 35 year old low alto female vocalist - I've found 25, 35, 45 all seem to effect the vocal but they also all sound about 8 years younger than what I type. Good luck!

[opal orbit]

Well yeah, but it's day one. I'm expecting the sound quality will get better as they make tweaks. Same kinda issue anytime things get a major update. (Sure hope so anyway)

[mossy pivot]

Also remix is completely broken on v5

[zealous cradle]

Hope so. On the side of composition i think ist a step forward. but overall sound quality feels like a step back to be honest.

[opal orbit]

Not disagreeing on that. But it seems like a lot of it is because it's interpreting instructions very differently. I'm thinking once they smooth that out it would get better

Like the remixes are focuessing on weird parts of the instrumentals?

[zealous cradle]

Wouldnt say outright broken. but at the moment it seems a little bit hit and miss-

[mossy pivot]

I hope they don’t touch 4.5+ so it doesn’t break 🤣 so we can keep making good music that isn’t flatten

[opal orbit]

Lol heard. I'm gonna keep using V4.5+ for the momment until the tweaks arrive

[mossy pivot]

I think the number 5 is cursed for AI models gpt also took a massive leap back on model 5 😆

[trim glade]

True version 5 is very bad.. in Chorus use Version 5 everytime a massive Choir.. Covers are so bad.. sry time to go back to 4.5+

[zealous cradle]

Maybe we get it all wrong and the changes are just not communicated clear enough to us. I came to really enjoy working with GPT5, but just because of Features GPT 5 casually told me during a conversation. 😅

[mossy pivot]

Just release Suno 4.6 …. That won’t be cursed 😆

[trim glade]

GPT 5 is extreme bad.. xD

[zealous cradle]

That, or Maybe we just should prompt Suno to sing us a song describing how it functions under the hood 😂

[soft gyro]

I can confirm a better sound and clarity in V5 for a cover of a house track made with 4.5+. Definitely better through the whole song.
Only that every cover is different. I compared the covers in the DAW with the original.

[violet meadow]

v5 vocal layering and backing vocals are so terrible. It sounds like the singer is singing in hot shower surrounded by glass windows with multiple people and a few heads popping in to do random unnecessary ad libs.

[mossy pivot]

5 is ever since gpt 5 a bad luck number and Suno just confirmed 5 is forever a cursed number 😆

[zealous cradle]

Thanks. I actually see this as an actuall musicvideo.^^

[mossy pivot]

Now we will count 1.2.3.4.6.7

[vernal steeple]

Both v5 and v4.5 are bad. I regret subscribing. It generates a massive amount of AI-generated garbage that you skip within the first 20 seconds. You have to make dozens of attempts just to find something worth listening to twice. It's a shame that the Suno developers take us for idiots. The only things Suno is lacking are style and tempo control. But we won't get those features while people keep paying. I would love for a decent competitor to Suno to emerge. Perhaps then, the Suno team will finally start heading in the right direction.

[opal orbit]

Obviously I don't know, but I think they are using new kinds of models and behavior for V5.

If you listen closely to remixes and covers, they emphasize and apply effects to various parts of the instrumentals, seemingly random. In theory, if it was applied to the correct places and instruments, it would sound fantastic, and have a very dynamic stereo image.

I think the model is still learning where and when to make these changes. It's hit or miss now because it hasn't really gathered all the data it needs to "sound good". It only knows what combinations work because of user feedback/interaction.

Imagine if all that weird vocal and instrumental layering was applied in all the right places. Once that gets sorted out, I think the music will sound awesome.

[mossy pivot]

Go for 4.5+ that’s the best for now

[zealous cradle]

Supported. Then i can tell everybody 6 Fingers are total normal when my AI pictures go wrong! 👍

[mossy pivot]

🤣

[mossy pivot]

It tried to warn us that 5 was a flaw

😆

[zealous cradle]

4.5+ in my opinion is very solid. some generations can be covered with high adherence to the audio to get an additional quality boost.

[mossy pivot]

5 Curse number brother huh 🤮 brother huh what’s this ewww

🤣

[humble verge]

Oof just started with 5. Not good.

[opal orbit]

I do this all the time. Good way to get some options for mixing as well

[mossy pivot]

Stop now or you’ll have nightmares about the number 5 forever 😆

[humble verge]

😨

[trim glade]

5 Is so bad.. i say " Explosive rock " and 5 generate a song with a melancholic sad rock <.<

[mossy pivot]

Currently not digesting well my gens since v5 very const…..ipated

😆

[limpid badge]

It seems like everyone have forgotten how bad was v4

[zealous cradle]

But all jokes aside, when 4.5 came out i also had the feeling, that quality improved over the first two to three weeks after release.

[ebon vessel]

Every model suno has released since v3 has had roughly the sane amount of consistency once I got used to prompting it. And it's the getting used to prompting it that can be a pain

[proven plank]

This is new?

[zealous cradle]

seems so.

[ebon vessel]

It is. ... remasters still suck though

Lol

[zealous cradle]

but in the end still better than Udios "remix" feature.

[mossy pivot]

One thing we never learn Early access is never good

[proven plank]

Seems nice.

[ebon vessel]

Cover is /right there/ and much more of an actual cover now

Also, lol, I thought I was in main until I saw the image

[proven plank]

I still have issue with all introduction.

[zealous cradle]

In Udio?

[proven plank]

Don't know to bypass this bug. Maybe use another tag name like pre-verse

[small bridge]

K the restore to library button doesn't exist anymore hahaha v5 new thing that broke!

[ebon vessel]

No, Suno

[zealous cradle]

Ah ok. Yes true. Suno can actually do real covers.

[zealous cradle]

well i must say that Suno at least now know what a Roland 707 is.

[humble verge]

My impressions so far: clarity is generally better in v5, and the vocals seem pretty good, but the remasters from 4.5+ to 5 sound terrible to me - very muddy in quality. The covers too. I’m also finding that the results I get when making a new song are more formulaic, leaning toward standard pop and adding all kinds of instruments I haven’t asked for.

V5 seems to overproduce songs and push them into a more mainstream style. I’ve been working on Delta-blues fusion material, but so far my results in 5 all come out like cookie-cutter pop/R&B - the kind that’s played everywhere nowadays. It might be fine if you’re doing hip-hop/R&B or pop and want something that sounds like a radio-friendly hit, but it’s not good if you’re aiming for more authentic-sounding “analog” music with traditional instruments, lo-fi textures, or more experimental fusions, because the model (as far as I can tell) seems to steer everything toward a more conventional sound - maybe due to how v5 is trained.

[compact shuttle]

As a pro member you can use negative prompts no?

[trim glade]

i have try it many time.. but my head hurt now.. version 5 makes extreme thunderous Electric Guitar plays in song. Now i have a tinitus.. the vocals are loud to and doesn't follow the Lyrics corect. But i must say 4.5 + have problems to. 4.5+ is to creative.. to much. When i try to cover a song the song is on low state correct to the original. Version 5 try to follow the music of the cover.. but the vocals and electric guitar are to loud.

[humble verge]

Never had much luck with negative prompts.

[zealous cradle]

In 4.5+ it seemed to work ok. But in 5 i get the feeling Suno tries to explicitly what you tell it not to do.

[humble verge]

That's been my experience in 4.5+ too. If I tell it not to use, say, brushed drums or hi-hat, it would get me brushed drums and hi-hat.

[zealous cradle]

I used more things like ‑shimmer, ‑hiss, ‑lo-fi, ‑distortion, ‑clipping, ‑phasing artifacts, ‑overly compressed sound, ‑washed-out reverb, ‑robotic vocals, ‑muddy mix. that mostly worked very well in my case. But yeah, gues what it does in 5.😅

[trim glade]

when i will make a rock song.. i don t want to smash my ears with Electric Guitar bolds.. and the vocals have often laggs.. why they have release version 5? Its doesnt ready..

[humble verge]

telling it to do a studio-quality mix has occasionally worked for me to solve stuff pertaining to sound quality. 4.5+ was quite decent up until the UI update. After that, some 90% of all my results came with gradually deteriorating quality during songs.

[tacit tide]

Does anyone know how to prompt Suno to create loopable songs, or songs that don’t have a buildup? Also control length?

[humble verge]

V5 doesn't seem to care for personas at all. I guess they worked so hard on making vocals sound more humans that old personas no longer work.

[lapis mica]

I hate this that personas don't work anymore!! @hybrid arch

[humble verge]

Especially if you have 30 songs with the same persona and working on a major project with that specific character. V5 singers are completely overdoing it. They're all going full Ariana Grande on me. So much vocal embellishment.

[lapis mica]

Exactly it's like wth and Suno did this for what reason to make uniform results impossible really.

[halcyon sparrow]

I think maybe this newer version never been so close to human voices so maybe mean that we will need a new start on a new persona. idk if the new frsh persona on v5 will stay after use and not change with times.

[humble verge]

I wonder what the reason is, though. To me it seems like the model either ignores the persona or auto-tunes it to such a degree that it sounds different (but more human according to SUNO).

[half dragon]

I still see it, is that what you meant?

[half dragon]

[Intro] works all the time for me. What issue did you get?

[proven plank]

Too much wrong song with a bad voice at start.

https://suno.com/s/7fPGlcIAkZ0JNMxr

I have a good result with voice on v5. More the singer is cold at start sometime.

[hollow hare]

Have you tried defining/adding in [emotion] [gender] vocals, etc. in the style prompt or even in the lyrics?
Like [verse 1 - passionate male vocals] as an example of the latter

[humble verge]

It's wild how similar all the results sound now.

[boreal zephyr]

Question about v5.0... I created an extension and normally an option appears on Part 2 to "Get full song" only it hasn't appeared. Just wondering if this might be a bug or there's something else I should do to combine the two halves?

UPDATE: I figured it out!

[lapis mica]

I got personas to work on the web but it doesn't show in the app

[mossy pivot]

They don’t exist in the app

[humble verge]

I've gotten a few results with my persona so far. Very few. Two out of 30. Got the stems so I can make new personas. Hopefully V5 will use them more, but I fear that this version just generally tends to override more than 4.5+ did.

[halcyon sparrow]

Hey guys i've benn working since v5 release i noticed remaster are bad on v5 if u want a clean "remaster" i did good results with (IM ONLY AN INSTRUMENTAL USER DIDNT TEST WITH VOICES" -> create a cover then in excludes : cheesy melodies, overcrowded mix, shimmer, hiss, lo-fi, distortion, clipping, phasing artifacts, overly compressed sound, washed-out reverb, robotic vocals, muddy mix, overly crunchy bass, overly crunchy kick and : weirdness 25%, style influence 50% and audio influence 100%. on 30 different song with 2/3 new cover on it i got decent quality and result u can pm me if u want to listen the difference between both i mainly work on acidcore , acid techno , rawstyle but mostly oriented acid core and underground free party tekno acid core appreciate feedback or pm !

[proven plank]

At end we should organize a battle of tag like a video game. Because everyone is exploring in a blurry way. It creates a lot of stress but in 2 weeks every will forget.

[halcyon sparrow]

i feel like we are exploring the desert with sandstorm and trying to escape with any posibilities 😂

[proven plank]

@halcyon sparrow give me feedback, I benchmark vocals. (diction)
https://suno.com/s/nIJyaejHnxP2NjTP

[halcyon sparrow]

Lets go i have haptics on my headset so will be clear to me

[proven plank]

https://suno.com/s/0qsPXgQGe0gLX7D2

[proven plank]

Here too

[halcyon sparrow]

GO PM bro

[proven plank]

To verify the lyrics contains the tests.

[grave glacier]

Remix for 5 will come?

[hexed iris]

Why V5 sounds so boring?

[twin bough]

Ok. So.. I'm having trouble with a song. It's a love ballad. I'm gererating different styles. The second I start doing Metal Ballad it ALWAYS had a second female vocalist into it for harmonanizing. I do NOT want that, because I"m goign to be downloading the track, removing the vocals with audacity and then recording myself singing it. How do I keep it from adding the second set of harmonzing vocals. I have even put the prompt "single female vocalist" and "no additional harmonizing vocals" Nada. It still keep adding it, but ONLY for the metal ballad.

[mossy pivot]

Because it is

[rustic mantle]

V5 seems really hit and miss... Anybody experiencing the fact that some people are able to cover protected songs using v5?

[mossy pivot]

V5 is a miss 100% it’s blend and boring, it’s flat and has no nuance , the people claiming otherwise have bad taste in music

It also ignores most ad libs i forgot to mention that part

[zealous cradle]

Well the overall sound quality is one thing, but then again it's Beta. Regarding bland and boring. My tests so far gave some of the most emotive vocals ever since using Suno. Also in my experience ad libs never worked never better then now.

[mossy pivot]

Well for nu metal it ignores ad libs at least most of them

[zealous cradle]

Ok nu Metal i didnt tried so far.

[tender marsh]

I'm very new to this. mostly just want to gen some sweet electronic music. One issue I've been encountering so far is that the vocals tend to start at the very beginning. always with the 'oohs' and 'aaahs'
Any tips for this?

[mossy pivot]

Aggressive nu metal mostly ignores ad libs

[mossy pivot]

Try a meta tag that mentions guitar solo

Before the intro

[tender marsh]

thanks. been trying. I'm this close to chucking random unicode at it and see if it works 😆

[mossy pivot]

The meta tags are a hit or miss tbh with you Ull have to gen multiple times

[tender marsh]

Yeah, that's been my process so far. Feels like a waste of compute tho 😢

[mossy pivot]

It is but AI isn’t perfect

[tender marsh]

Thank you though. I appreciate your input. Very new to music prompting or whatever this is called. Haha

[mossy pivot]

It’s called making incantations and hoping the demons aren’t that cursed 🤣

[ebon sand]

Mine does this too and I brought it down to 50% ooos with adding [guitar intro] in front. Now it will always do the same guitar pling but at least it isn't an ooo

[tender marsh]

The tracks I just generated started to sound garbled and straight up from some hellmouth at the end. Does that mean it was about to max out its context or something? My ears still hurt, and I'm feeling a bit disturbed. 💀

Requiem wasn't kidding about that demon summoning LOL.

[ebon sand]

Is it v5? Or are you on free version? Just to make sure

[tender marsh]

v5.

[ebon sand]

I have some problems with it having a loud noise floor that gets louder across the songs and it often sings my stuff like a drunk cowboy if I use English, I'm overall not very impressed... The higher control also doesn't really grip for me, I give very little commands and they are not applied

[tender marsh]

wonder if going back to 4.5+ might be better for now.

[ebon sand]

V4.5+ was very screamy for me, I like v5 better in one or two ways that are not connected to music, it's a strange model and doesn't fulfil the promises made

Wonder what the 'changes everything' marketing pitch was referencing, it's not a revelation to me

A funny thing is also when I generate the same input with v4.5+ it screams, when I generate it with v5 it's whispered and sounds like ASMR, it's task was to hold a speech haha
It should just talk, an oration, but it has a hard time to find the middle ground on my end
Still the ASMR is more pleasant than the screaming so I take that even if it's not what I promoted for

[tender marsh]

based on my limited experience so far, my 4.5 gens seems to tend to love those highs

[ebon sand]

The quality isn't much different between v4.5, v4.5+ and v5, you do not have to use v5 at all imho, there will eventually come a point where quality just remains static because there's nothing more to improve
We're not at this point yet but close enough that you can confidently use all 3 versions

[bitter perch]

Hello, I noticed that about 1 in 3 times when I cover a 13 and 19 second import it applies a dirty filter. I have to do a remaster or an edition to make it disappear. whether on v4.5 or v5. Has anyone already had this problem?

[raven turtle]

For the sort of sterile, limited range vocal sing speak electropop I make I’m finding v5 a huge leap forward in vocal performance (less is more) as well as its approaching release fidelity and crucially its understanding far more sub genres more effectively. So far it’s a win win for me 👍

[proud temple]

my music style is so weird that v5 doesn't know what to do with it

https://suno.com/s/wQrBQvBn7dMrUYm8
I tried to remaster that one in every "variation strength" but the result is breaking the song every time

subtle: https://suno.com/s/BdzZ8DdVQORHdmZv I feel like v5 has just flattened most layers. and added some random piano crescendo at 00:18 (dunno if that's how it's called... but anyway)
normal: https://suno.com/s/En6YIDX4iwYsdEoM It changed the electronic keyboard samples for some grand organ or something
high: https://suno.com/s/oUtP4MCrmcWUBnWK well, that's a different melody with missing notes all over the place ¯_(ツ)_/¯

so, remaster might work best with simpler songs. not chaotic mess electronic styles.

at least I learned something. crescendo and decrescendo are about volume, not about pitch.

the right word in my case is "glissando"

[ebon sand]

I have this noise build up issue on almost all my generations, it painfully reminds me of V4

[proud temple]

shimmer v5 (or was it called shiver? I don't remember)

[tender marsh]

That sounds real nice!

[ebon sand]

It would have been a cool output, but the noise destroys it

[tender marsh]

Oooh!! I remember the noise build up. That turned me off Suno for a good bit.

[scenic cedar]

How do I undo this, without refreshing and losing all my progress?

[sage chasm]

Anyone else have the problem of trying to create a song and it says it’s making it then don’t see the song and never shows up, even retrying still no songs and doesn’t matter what I change it to, I don’t get a song, nothing!

[scenic cedar]

Hello?

Clocking it only makes it minimise

Nothing

My lyrics are lost

Fml

Tried clicking again

How do I reenable them?

[sage chasm]

Now it’s saying I don’t have enough credits?

[scenic cedar]

There's nothing in the advanced options to help

How do I reenable them?

This happens a lot, I've lost so many lyrics. While editing the lyrics, bam, instrumental lyrics disabled

Gonna waste credits to see if the lyrics I added so far still transfer I guess

[untold briar]

Have you tried doing a Cover instead of a Remaster?

[scenic cedar]

Nope, their freaking gone.

Ugh

[untold briar]

It could be the lyrics are being flagged for copyright, did you notice a red error on bottom of screen?

Yes, Suno UI can eat your lyrics. I copy and paste into a text file.

[scenic cedar]

Guess I just gotta use suno with additional anxiety with the looming threat that it could go instrumental only at literally any moment.

There was no red warning. It was an original song with backing track I used my own acoustic guitar playing as a backing track...

I hate my life...

Son of a .. it did it again

I figured out what's causing it

Clicking the window boarder does it. So you got a make sure your clicking where the text is, but clearly, I'm on a phone, and finger can hit the boarder when clicking text

This is bull

Son of a... AGHHHH

[proud temple]

yes, I didn't want to spam with the same song. But the cover version do sounds better. I'll post the link when I'm done with the visual

[scenic cedar]

Touching this blue line makes it lyrics disabled

And no one aperently knows how to fix it. Or undo it

[proud temple]

So, as mentionned, Cover did a better job at preserving the original melody and song quality overall.

I have 2 different cover that worked well
https://suno.com/s/5PAtlBAONw7sLd63 (gets a bit too breathy toward the end... v5 needs to catch its breath)
https://suno.com/s/88wPf4LItAeC73Kl that one worked better

[quiet solar]

Yeah, I ran straight into that bug yesterday. It's a pain, but at the moment there's nothing we can do - clicking the resize bar on Lyrics just wipes the Lyrics box and sets it to Instrumental only. Your only option for now is to put things again from scratch. I'd strongly recommend typing out everything for the Lyrics somewhere else and copy-pasting in when you're done.

[scenic cedar]

F! I did it again.

im bout to throw my phone from the 2nd floor balcony, i swear. this is literally making my subscription unusable.

[quiet solar]

Seems like it's been stealth-fixed on desktop. There's now an "Instrumental" button and the resize slider works correctly.

[scenic cedar]

cool, anyone wanna buy me a computer? :D

r-r

[ancient stratus]

😅 I just use a notes app and copy everything into Suno.

[scenic cedar]

10 credits per song, and it's paying for not all month infinate access, but until credits run out. this type of payment plan shouldnt have breaking issues like this.

[gilded mortar]

If I want to achieve the best results when extending music, what are the optimal values or settings I should choose from 1 to 100 for each of the three options as shown in the photo

[graceful condor]

Man now with v5 it sings the last chorus twice. This is so dumb.

[quiet solar]

That depends entirely on what you're trying to achieve.

Audio Influence guides how closely the original elements of the song should influence what's created, particularly things like the melody and instrumentals and the cadence of the vocals. So if you want the extension to literally be more of the exact same, set it mid-to-high. If you want the extension to add something new (e.g. adding a new Bridge) having it too high will hold Suno back and it'll tend to use the same music as either the verse or chorus. In my experience, higher audio influence also increases the likelihood of errors where you might, say, add a new verse that has slightly different syllable counts or stressing to previous verses.

Style Influence guides how much weight Suno should give to what you've put in the style box. On paper, you'd think high would always be good (ie, do exactly as I say, Suno!), but again, setting it too high restricts Suno's ability to blend your style prompts with typical things from the genre. Usually you'll want it in the mid-range, unless there's something very specific you're trying to prompt Suno to do and want to hammer that home in the style prompt as well as the lyrical prompts. If you don't really have much in the style prompt, set it to lower figures and let the AI do what it does best.

Weirdness is a bit of a catch-all for how much Suno should experiment around with things. If you set it very low, Suno will tend to lean heavily on the original audio and play things very, very safe. If you set it really high, you can get some very unexpected twists creeping into the song. Again, it's really up to you and what you're looking for.

There is no single sweet spot for all situations. Play around and have fun trying the sliders out - and if in doubt, the default positions aren't terrible in most cases and you can just leave it alone if you prefer.

[quiet solar]

That's not a new thing. Sometimes the AI just thinks it knows better than the human when it comes to song structure.

Should be a fairly easy fix in the editor to remove the unwanted chorus, no?

[graceful condor]

How should this be an easy fix? Have you ever tried removing a part of a song and re-creating a new one for this section? Most outcomes are absolutely horrendous and terrible. They got a totally different tone and even the audio loudness is so different to the rest before and after which gives the song clear cuts and unclean transitions. You are wasting so many credits to get maybe 1 okay-ish part after countless tries. And btw the editor isn't even loading again. Stuck like a week ago.

[near flume]

give these a try: [Intro: Instrumental Riff], [Intro: Chorus First] place your chorus as first item in the box, [Intro: Beat Only]. [Intro: Build-up]. I find that defining the intro inside the tag helps reduce the intro length 90% of the time in v4.5+ - haven't tested in v5 yet.

[worthy otter]

V4.5+ and V5 give better results if you add own audio feeds, specially V5 is promising.

[proven plank]

With v4.5+ and V5, a weak prompt generate a lot of post-processing to do. Suno like your credits.
Only improve your prompting will improve your cost.

[near flume]

Top-up always shows. The only time I haven't seen it is when my month resets and I have haven't used any credits yet.

[near flume]

Are you using the [Final Chorus] tag?

[weak eagle]

happened to me twice and got to your same conclusion, accidentally clicked the instrumental button somehow clicking the border while you have the lyrics expanded window

[magic shale]

V5.0 feedback: 5.0 it stumbled (lost rhythm) many times in some covers I made, which I almost never had before

[weak eagle]

so in general terms, v5 still using the metatagging as previous models?

[scenic cedar]

I got that a few times with v4.5, the AI likes to be creative sometimes. It also sometimes likes to re-arange the lyrical canonical placement

[magic shale]

Some feedback regarding V 5 gathered here in discord from other users

• My tests so far gave some of the most emotive vocals ever since using Suno. Also in my experience ad libs never worked never better then now.
• V5 doesn't seem to care for personas at all. I guess they worked so hard on making vocals sound more humans that old personas no longer work.
• One issue I've been encountering so far is that the vocals tend to start at the very beginning. always with the 'oohs' and 'aaahs' :Moodle_Icon_Stressed:
• it adds adlibs i didnt write
• it skips words or doesn't finish them
• all structures closely resemble each other with minimal variation
• overloading the lyrics section decides your duration to be less than 2-3mins
• songs are quieter
• it takes a lot more credits to get something good
• it doesn't read my lyrical structure as easy as the older models (the flow is terrible)
• 5.0 it stumbled (lost rhythm) many times in some house covers I made, which I almost never had before (mine feedback)

if you give feedback to V5, you should also mention the music genre you tried, because some genres are difficult anyway or not even music, but noise

[scenic cedar]

There really should be a custom timestamp/Song length feature.

[magic shale]

if you give feedback to V5, you should also mention the music genre you tried, because some genres are difficult anyway or not even music, but noise

[fallen glade]

I can't seem to use my Persona on instrumetals or covers anymore

I made the perfect one too

[proud temple]

For me it's... 0% everywhere. Or default :)

From my experience, Weirdness should almost never be set too low or too high. it's better to keep it close to Style Influence or it gets... weird.

Style influence is linked to the Style prompt

Audio influence is linked to the audio input (including cover song, "inspirations", personna)

[mint heron]

I see a problem of every generation is almost the same if we are talking about one stile. Don't know if it should be like this, but every duduk trap i make uses the same instruments, same structure, it seams like only melody is different. Sorry for my English.

[fluid sentinel]

Where have all my saved prompts gone? 🫤

[quiet solar]

I've also experienced 5.0 regularly stumbling on covers; repeating and correcting itself mid-line, or losing the plot and coming back several lines later. It also needs a bit more hand-holding on the lyrical cadence and structure compared to v4.5, agreed.

[graceful condor]

Always. But seems not changing much. Now it even repeated Verse 3, Bridge and Final Chorus. And the OG song was already 6min long so it makes really no sense anymore.

[knotty kite]

“Invalid remix type . Please try again”

[viral pond]

Do i really have to upgrade to premium again in order to get access to studio ? 🙂

I was hoping i could spend all the credits i had in account, do they ever expire ?

[near flume]

The only time I've had an issue with repeating verses and bridges was when I was using XML tags </> in the lyrics box.

[neat nexus]

Monthly, unless they're "extra credits" which are purchased separately and only become effective when the monthly credits have been used up.

[graceful condor]

never used those.

[viral pond]

yEAH I had premium subscriptionm, and purchased extra credits, so i was like 7000+ credits extra everymonth i never got to spend since inever used it all, just wonder if the extra credits ever expire, so i think i would need to spend them first

[neat nexus]

They're not supposed to. If they ever disappear definitely contact Suno about it.

Extra credits are supposed to roll over month to month unless you have used up all your monthly plan's allotment of credits. If you have no monthly credits left then and only then do your "extra credits" become effective and you start spending them. When the next month's allotment of credits arrive then the "extra credits" stop being effective again until you have used up that month's allotment and are out.

With that much extra credits it could be a while before you ever use them up.

[viral pond]

yeah thats why i downgraded to pro so i can spend them, but if i need premium to use the new studio wavtool i will have to upgrade again

if they not expire then its okay

[compact shuttle]

So when does Suno studio drop for pro users

Ik it drops tmw for premier

[polar spade]

@dawn crescent copyright blocks

"Copyright" is just a generic term for about 6 different criteria for not allowing certain content that is already publicly available and not exclusively controlled by just the user uploading the same content. Nursery rhymes, the ABC song, even some common phrasings (at the moment) may be included in the wide net. You can regard any content you feel was mis-labeled to Support for a personal review. https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1373016771103166575

[viral pond]

I have a song i want to make a persona from, will i save seeds by stemming it and keep only the vocals ? or does it not matter at all ?

[jaunty elm]

Hi! Will a separate subscription be required for Suno Studio, or can it be used with the Pro subscription as well? Thx

[magic shale]

it is written that Studio will only be available for Premier Plan (24 $ a month). So you can upgrade your plan.

[viral pond]

how long will the limited price offer be available ?

[jaunty elm]

Okay, thx. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find any information about it.

[jaunty elm]

This interests me as well.

[viral pond]

would be nice if there was a way to split the price and pay with two different cards

[mossy pivot]

The information is right here

[viral pond]

why this happens... i cannot turn on lyrics again

[ebon sand]

Tip into the bottom left, of the lyrics box where the button should be, the button is just invisible for me, maybe that's also the case for you

[viral pond]

ah so it is a bug sort of

[ebon sand]

Hopefully it's the case for you haha

[viral pond]

i also had trouble with saving prompts which seems disabled sometimes

btw, I had some nice prompts in v4, do they really work out of the box in v5 ? or is the narrative style absolutely needed in order to make it sound the same, i.e. needed to be rephrased to fit the new models ?

[ebon sand]

For my prompts I can safely say no, they are nothing alike maybe yours work

[viral pond]

one annoying thing,, super annoying, I upload small short samples I use as a baseline to create my melodies, and it really made an awesome song, and was unable to create persona out of it.. haha so sad...

yeah, have you figured a way how to rephrase them into the new models ?

[neat field]

even after Qwen-omni-music and ACE-step and other apache 2.0 models come out soon Suno $10 inference (not to mention yearly) is still a crazy deal.... gonna be an exciting 45-90 days for music

[viral pond]

yeah sample contains no vocals at all

https://suno.com/s/xv9McZfiI3BFOa0T i think I was able to recreate a persona that had the similar detached dual voice chants I wanted...

[ebon sand]

I was very unhappy with v5 and kinda still am due to various reasons but I use now extensions so that relieves me of 90% of the prompting effort as it works basically like a "persona"
In terms of prompting alone, no, I was not able to replicate the sound I want to any degree

[viral pond]

wow thats nice

love the detached dual voice chants in this song

on repeated words and sentences ending with questions

https://suno.com/s/h0NXaZT0UU2k1VNG this was the original

the original was awesome as well, but i just wanted more 😄

[ebon sand]

I'll be at my computer soon and can give it a listen, currently I'm just on my phone haha

[viral pond]

yeah, phones not the best unless headphones

edited the first link, cause i had to extend it, not sure if the extended fit, but we'll seee

[stuck junco]

@half dragon Hey there! Hope all is well!

When you get a chance would you mind shooting me a DM, would like to discuss some things!

[neat field]

is there a human artist with the sound you have in mind already ?

[ebon sand]

no

[neat field]

may be a dataset issue, that's cool though

generalizing to unheard genre will always be challenging

[ebon sand]

don't think it's a dataset issue, i created the 'genre' on v3.5 and the newer models certainly have the data which this one had as well, and i'm able to get close to the sound by extending, i think the training just pivots it away from it because its not what most people might want

[neat field]

you could make it in v3.5 then cover in v5 set weirdness to 0%, clear out the style/genre box, set style influence 0%, audio influence to like 95%

[ebon sand]

hehe tried that, they are awful

[stuck junco]

@wispy laurel Hope your day is going well!

When you get a chance would you mind reaching out to me via DM? Interested to discuss some things if you're up for it!

[neat field]

good ablation try then, could be a real failed task genre for v5 then

[ebon sand]

its not been possible on the last 3 models but with the extensions it's fine, it works like persona once did so it can do it

my work today will be to make it stop whispering all the time, it doesn't react to the style instructions

[quick sonnet]

Had faced the same problem. Seems to be some current glitch.

[ionic turret]

you know what i wish for with suno, the same stuff that udio has the adding before and intro part option that would be great

[fallen merlin]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hard beacon]

well.. try it again 😄

[keen yew]

What might be the reason that I can't enable allow remixing of a song?

[neat nexus]

Is it based on an upload?

[queen linden]

V5 turned my alt, indie, folk trio, four instruments, into a country western, mess of weird male voices and instruments galore and words that aren't there or make sense. More is not always better. Mona Lisa doesn't look better with a hat and a basket of big eyes kittens.

[raven turtle]

It’s not finished rendering in the back end

[keen yew]

These songs were done 3 or so months ago

[raven turtle]

I’ve had some that never resolved properly at 99% so were unusable. Maybe that? Or maybe a copyright flag?

[keen yew]

No these are completely complete. Some were remixes even used in contests on SUNO.

[raven turtle]

Hmmm… are you on desktop or mobile? Try another platform

[keen yew]

Desktop

These particular songs have been Published on SUNO for a while now. In unpublished songs I see I can still switch that option, but not in those.

Okay wait.. I am noticing something

[raven turtle]

We re they based on someone else’s works or did you create these from a prompt yourself

[keen yew]

I am talking about 3 specific songs here. 2 of which were used in the ImOliver contest, and they can't be switched on for Remixing (so that explains it). The third song is a remix of another user's song (but no contest) and I have the option to switch the Remixing still for this one. I guess that solves the riddle. It seems that since the original has probably been removed, or disabled for remixing, my remixes are now too.

Thanks for your replies

[raven turtle]

NO worries! Stay frosty! 👍

[chilly leaf]

How do I force suno to stop ending the songs within seconds when extending anyway..? It refuses to create long extensions and just always immediately end songs

Just wasting credits on it generating 2-3 second extensions

[tawdry scarab]

extend from 1 to 3 seconds multiple times

without getting the whole song that's important

it breaks the context and eventually opens up new extend opportunities

[chilly leaf]

Huge credit waster then, with v3 it was much nicer to actually extend

[tawdry scarab]

it's free

if it's making a few second clips you're not paying any credits

[chilly leaf]

Doesnt say that its refunded anymore tho

[tawdry scarab]

oh, that is a concern

[chilly leaf]

https://i.imgur.com/TxCIbqx.png

Not sure if it actually took the credits tho

[tawdry scarab]

perhaps someone else can speak to that or test im not in a position to, we'd need to test it

[chilly leaf]

There should be a way to force it not to end though, like writing a command in brackets similar to [outro]. Not that that works either as it just ends it within seconds

I won't bother testing it tbh, I'll just assume the song is dead

[tawdry scarab]

you can put closing cadence in the negative and open cadence in the positive but i don't know if it works, that's just how you would communicate it

[chilly leaf]

https://i.imgur.com/LWAx105.png

meh

It's so weird that it just abruptly ends it if I try to extend anything within the last 30 seconds

It didnt use to be like this

Feels like its hardcoded to waste credits

[tawdry scarab]

i make hour long songs like albums that play continuous, there are finicky things about ending and gravity to it and taking off again

your last 30 seconds is probably strong closing cadence at thej end of a musical phrase

[chilly leaf]

Why would they let songs go up to 8 minutes max and extensions to 2 minutes if it literally never happens 😴

[tawdry scarab]

music itself is hardcoded to end under certain setups

i do this all the time

[jade mist]

@stuck junco I don't know if you're the right person to ask this from, but could someone at Suno have a look at this? The quality of v5 model is really good, but recently, all my generations sound much like, if not identical, to 4.5+. And when I switch to 4.5+ they sound like 4.5. So even if the model i'm using shows as v5, I don't think i'm using it, because yeah, I know the model is in beta, and I know it can sometimes produce unwanted stuff like bad quality, but it's not possible that the model sounds identical to 4.5+ and thad 4.5+ sounds like 4.5. It's weird, it has happened every time a new model has been released

[hard beacon]

insiders will understand: oooooh ohhhh.. aaaaah aah ahhh

😄

[chilly leaf]

It says refunded now, prob just delayed

[tawdry scarab]

that's good, that would've been a serious issue

[modern spindle]

Does anyone know if there is any plans to put a sound like handbells into Suno?

[flint haven]

Remember to give your feedbacks about v5 at https://suno.com/feedback so the staff can improve the next model.

[fading forge]

Im confused?

[lunar anvil]

Why?

[fading forge]

Im just confused

[jade mist]

V5 doesn't have any problems, the problem is I don't think i'm using V5 even if it says so, i'm using 4.5 plus because of the quality and stuff.

[jaunty elm]

how long will the limited price offer be available ?

[knotty stag]

Is there a time limit on songs? I just created 2 versions using v5 and they are both cut off at 5:58 without finishing.

[flint haven]

@knotty stag If you are using persona or cover, some of the resources set aside for your generation will be used to study the selected source as there is no memory retention after the song has been generated.
Consequently, your output will have a lower cutoff time.

[frigid pivot]

hello I am using v5 and uploading audio files that are around 15 seconds long, and I am doing a cover, with my style included, but all of my songs using v5 are coming out 40 seconds to like 1:50 mins long, How can I get the songs to come out longer to at least 2:40 and above??

[cursive kiln]

update: yeahhh, they added new tasks

[knotty stag]

Thanks, that makes sense. I was able to extend it and get what I wanted. v5 does seem to produce very high quality music and singing.

[humble verge]

Hi. I’m the one who wrote, “V5 doesn’t seem to care for personas at all. I guess they worked so hard on making vocals sound more human that old personas no longer work,” which you quoted earlier.

I’ve since figured out that you can actually force V5 to follow a persona. I’m finding that including the persona name directly in the Styles prompt usually works.

For example, in my case:

Lead vocal uses my custom Monica Persona (Audio Influence)—a smoky, syllabic female alto—singing all verses solo in a dry Delta-blues style with clear words and minimal vibrato.

And later in the same prompt:

Keep the Monica Persona locked throughout.

Using this approach, V5 has been sticking to the persona fairly consistently. It may also work in the Lyrics prompt, but haven't experimented with that yet.

[solemn lintel]

LOL OK I posted a question that got an answer just before I sent it. I'll try that.

[proud temple]

it's caused by an invisible "instrumental" toggle... if you select a song to cover, it enables the field back. Then you can ctrl+Z in the field to get your lyrics back.

[proud temple]

in case no one answered, see my previous message. I assume it will get fixed pretty quickly

[ebon sand]

I can add quality problems and noise buildup; loud noisefloor which amplifies across the song, hello v4, we meet again
pronunciation issues, it cannot read some symbols or words even if the previous models were able to pronounce them
i don't know how to call the genre so I'll claim country

[distant mango]

Anyone know how to make longer songs with v5 using the simple prompt function? All my songs are like 2mins + max, used to be 3-4 mins with v4.5

[junior charm]

I tried creating dreamwave with v5, but it barely works because it constantly inserts bright and loud beats, making the whole song feel empty and pale. With v4.5+, the soundscape seemed more voluminous and diverse. Or do I have to adjust it in some special way?

[uneven spade]

Yeah v5 seems to have regressed in certain spots, maybe it's bad prompts but something still feels fishy about this model

Like certain words it just cannot pronounce, song length inconsistent, some flows feel forced (that one was fixed mostly by just changing the structure) but I may just stick to 4.5 for now

[wet siren]

does anyone know how to choose the ReMi lyric model in Simple mode now instead of the classic one?

[neat nexus]

You mean like this?

[wet siren]

like that yeah, but not that because that's in custom mode I believe.

[polar spade]

and... @martymcflyit

With any of the versions, prompts used can affect the song length.

In 4.5, ytou could take whatever you got and even just put "ambient" in front of it as a prompt, and it will often lengthen it by a minute more.

Unfortunately, its baked into Suno being an AI to make decisions on what to do with your outputs. The outputs can change considerably with just a new prompt, removing a prompts, adding a line space, and so on.

[turbid token]

Hey, there. Lost a few hundred credits now trying to gen stems since 5.0, but the stems bever come. The credits are gone, but when I go back into the stems area, it doesnt even recognize that stems were requested. Someone from Support here?

[ebon sand]

have you turned the filter off so that they show up?

i think its active by default so that you don't see them... just an idea

[turbid token]

Well crap. lol

There they are lol

Thanks!

[ebon sand]

anytime

[turbid token]

Weird the GUI window spins and doesnt recognize a request was sent. But yeh, there they are! LOL

[raven turtle]

What’s with all the female vocal do-dos at the start of everything.

[modern spindle]

Earlier today, I posted a message that I wanted to see if Suno had anything like handbells that have been created. I also was interested to see if anything like a JEW‘S harp, autoharp, or Guero have been added.

[halcyon sundial]

how do i disable instrumental?

[lost holly]

Bottom left of the lyrics field you show in the screenshot. Your mouse changes when you at the right place, then just click.

[unborn star]

????

With suno you create music, you could try acapella or spoken words, but if you need Text to Speech you should try something else

[neat nexus]

Why? With a bit of work it's actually better than most text to speech, because when you can get it to work it has more emotion in the voices.

[stoic vine]

can also utilize rvc

[unborn star]

It has, ye if you can make it work. I don*t mind if you let people try this. But you can give him instruction how to reach his goal. =)
For me it's a music tool, nothing else but a really good one, so good that I wrote a whole compendium how to use it for me.

[neat nexus]

It fights when you try to do it but here's a prompt I've used in the past for the style:

radio play, audio theater, quiet studio, spoken word, sound effects, Japanese hinted English accents, anime voice acting, warm masculine voice

The lyrics were written with [metatags] like a radio play.

[unborn star]

you should mention @halcyon sundial

UHH
anime voice acting

maybe voice acting is enough?

[halcyon sundial]

i asked just to disable instrumental-only

its bugged

[prime prairie]

Well, my replay option is finally back after 4 days!

[half dragon]

Yes it is bug, report it if you haven't ... in #🪲┃bugs-web
Basically like @lost holly said , the button is there it's just invisible...
Move your mouse to lower left corner of the lyric box and it'd changes from arrow to a hand, then click it... that'll work.

[near jasper]

Hey guys - if you are trying to create multiple songs from the same "artist" are you using Personas and doing Audio Influence 100%? That sometimes works but other times I end up with songs that use the same beats/basslines as the original persona. Any recommendations?

[halcyon sundial]

5.0v is super bugged with extensions

[halcyon sundial]

ignoring lyrics and everything else

they dont even trying lmao

[queen linden]

Oh this V5 version and I are not NOT going to get along,,,,, a blues song is terrible,,,, beautiful intro Ok for about a min. then the vocal goes off wailing and screaming YES screaming, Im not going to use it 300 credits today and I have nothing... nothing with anchovies .... Im hoping it improves but man what a waste!

[raven turtle]

Always had the same problem with Personas they repeat the source material too much as opposed to just using the essence of it

[jagged meteor]

What's the issue with the word 'holiday"? 😁

[viral pond]

this is really scary

[halcyon sundial]

please fix extensions as soon as possible

[viral pond]

I uploaded some noise to suno to use as baseline test melodies... i noticed suno does "listen" to what you upload, adding lyrics if it recognizes speach, along with style prompt/ vibe

look at this....

[halcyon sundial]

its literally IMPOSSIBLE the extend a second time

[viral pond]

https://suno.com/song/c7458bcf-c4e9-4083-a598-39f7e1f90a59?sh=xfQ07S8FreAey7MJ

how do you explain that ?

[halcyon sundial]

suno is literally IGNORING the lyrics and singing the first extension again

[viral pond]

happend allot... might need to extend further back

[halcyon sundial]

i tried

[viral pond]

maybe even one verse back or chorus

[halcyon sundial]

i tried

still bugged

[viral pond]

sometimes adding [melodic interlude] helped

[halcyon sundial]

i tried

[viral pond]

cranked down the weirdness ?

[halcyon sundial]

yes

[viral pond]

it might be the style prompt, you could try to change that

to give suno something "new" to work with

[halcyon sundial]

o give up

[near jasper]

Does anyone have an idea for the best way to make a new song using the exact same "vocalist" without it being inspired by other parts of a song? Using "Personas" keeps generating me new songs that sound just like the song the original persona was made from.

[halcyon sundial]

really annoyed trowing my credit on trahs

[viral pond]

is the part important ?

can you repeat it after the next part ?

[ebon sand]

Crop it and piece parts together so that it doesn't form a coherent song anymore, best get voice only takes, if it has no melody to copy it can't repeat it

You can still supply it with instruments, fragmented works

[halcyon sundial]

yes every line i write is important

if it wasn't i would not write

[viral pond]

Could you copy the text that was skipped, duplicate it and post it just before where it starts to sing

[halcyon sundial]

now i solved the part of resinging the previous extension, the new problem is that suno is total illiterate

is singing like a people of with down sindorme

[viral pond]

😓

[unborn star]

Does anyone know if there is a new Genre List?

[viral pond]

Could it be seed related, did you cover the song from another song, persona, style prompt long?

[unborn star]

Dont forget it is still Beta V5

[halcyon sundial]

no

[unborn star]

no Pro Version

[viral pond]

might try v4.5+ ?

cover the version you have and apply v4.5+

set weirdness to 0, audio influence to 100, style prompt to 50

that way you will be producing a song very close to the one you have

atleast thats what i managed to do many times

[half dragon]

https://suno.com/explore
Maybe?

[spice brook]

first time using suno since the new ui update how do i extend my song the ending i do not like how do i make it go back?

[polar spade]

Short answer is we can go back and extend from the timemark before the part we dont like. Have you used extend a few times so you are familiar with it?

Also, @ebon sand which sliders follows better for extends.to sound similar to the previous audio part its extending Audio slider, I assume? Or even just leave to sliders at default.

[ebon sand]

If it's about v5 and extensions, I'd also label them currently broken, their rate of producing an actual usable output is low, some combinations miraculously work and others only produce gibberish
But yeah if it worked it should be audio, usually there's no need to change the sliders, if it doesn't work they won't fix it either
Similarly comes mostly from the last part you've extending from, how far it looks into the past I don't know but I assume it doesn't read a full audio but only 1-2 minutes

[polar spade]

Cheers. Got it. That helps.

[ebon sand]

If it would read the full song you'd have problems extending 10 minute songs but that still works

[neat igloo]

Back with this question again. Can Suno add my Vocals (mp3) to my instrumental (mp3)?

[polar spade]

So.... when using an extend , for the first 1 or 2 generations , just leave the advance options Sliders alone and dont adjust from their default settings. If its not sounding similar to the previous works, then slide the Audio slider ahead to about 78%, up to 98% and see how it sounds.

If you're trying 5.0 it could be iffy to get it tweaked nicely. But these slider setting or default work well with 4.5 and 4.5+, I believe.

[polar spade]

Correct. It should extend back only to the beginning of the previous extend or if to an original output , about 2 minutes back. --- or 2 minutes of you "full song" the previous output.

[halcyon sundial]

is there a way to combine two diferent songs using editor?

nothing so especial, i just and to link song 1 to song 2 like with any editor and remaster both at same time

[half dragon]

Unfortunately not possible at the moment.

[halcyon sundial]

i did with another software

[polar spade]

1. Yes..... and 2) no

With Suno Studio (if you've got the beta version already ) we can slide over an upload, slide over an instrumental stem. Save file and done.

In edit UI though, we cant add two separate outputs onto one track line. Youd have to wait for Studio to use.

[velvet shadow]

Hi Guys,

I really like how in V3.5 if you upload your own vocal the voices sound very similar but any of the new models seem to just not be able to sound similar is there a way to get it to sound similar on the new versions?

[unborn star]

New one or did they add some with the newest update?

I see they updated example songs to V5

If they added new genre 🤔

[ebon sand]

Maybe with inspo, persona is only great on v3.5 and V4, don't know why they don't care for it more and increase the compatibility with the newer models...

[unborn star]

They added new Genres, at least I got one which I don't have in the list so I suppose this is the case. :/

Since you can mix a lot of genre it's important to know which exist to combine with

[ebon sand]

Do you mean the suggestions? Or what list do you mean

[unborn star]

Just a list which genre were added in the V5 but nvm

[ebon sand]

I don't think this is how it works

That's like asking what words have been added in the new ChatGPT version

[chilly epoch]

Hey I'm still trying to figure out how I paid for the pro plan and 2 days later my account was cancelled. And now I have to pay again? I reached out to billing 4 days ago with no response. Did anyone have this issue? I did hear back from Support.

[acoustic glen]

I wanted to share my experience. I've found that the advanced prompts and sliders don't seem to help with this issue.

When my prompt contains something like 'pop punk' or 'country,' the results are almost always songs with a I-V-vi-IV chord progression.

For 'indie pop,' I consistently get the IV_Maj7-I_Maj7 chord progression.

And with 'k-pop,' no matter what other genres I add, it always generates an electronic dance-pop style.

The weirdness slider doesn't seem to make a difference.

Do those things happen on v5 guys?

[swift glade]

I have to agree with the pronunciation. Its really bad. Even stuff from 4.5 that was correct. "scales" pronounced "sc-all-es"

[spiral bane]

v5 tagging change at all ?

[crude mountain]

Is there a way to force Suno v5 etc. to use a specific tempo. They never come out the tempo I tell it to in prompts

[spiral bane]

do we have a good v5 osoing to look at for sample tags to show changes like we did for 4 ? or we walkign in blind ?

[polar spade]

Are you just talking about instrumentals or also with outputs with added lyrics? Lyrics could possibly limit tempo.

[chilly epoch]

I always add speed of bpm and it worked great in 4.5v

[lone copper]

can stems be remixed?

[half dragon]

I think they can.

[tawdry scarab]

I don't know if this is old news but I made an 11 minute song that's all 100% weirdness generations, it seems it can be tamed to make songs

[graceful crest]

Just signed up for v5... I'm messing with Remix / Add Vocal... is there a way to lock in the instrumental and just get vocals ontop. It's always changing the entire thing, not sure if theres a way to lock the instrumental in place

[small bridge]

yeah its been a pain in the ass and gotten me a few times, and i lost my lyrics and was thankful i had them in a document off to the side.

[graceful crest]

I make my own stuff and it would be cool to just have a virtual singer for ideas

[chilly epoch]

How do you change the vocals in a track?

[half dragon]

One of these ways:

• Cover: it wouldn't be the exact for the instrumental but you can get very close as far as melody and arrangements
• Extract Instrumental Stem - then use Add Vocal?

I do 1st one a lot of times but haven't tried the 2nd way - but I heard others got good success.

[gilded crest]

Question: I'm working on a song in create, and for somehow it switch into instrumental mode... so now I can see the top of my lyrics and the lyrics section is minimized, but if I expand the box to see the lyrics it says "Instrumental- lyrics disabled" ... uh wtf did I do, and why is it not giving me the option to switch back?

[feral dawn]

I’m sure this has been brought up but in v5 whenever I make any electronic track every single song starts with female vocalization or humming. Every single one. It’s extremely annoying and every prompt I’ve tried including numerous mentions to not include vocalizations, using exclusions, etc does absolutely nothing to correct this - if someone has solved this problem can you please let me know im tired of burning credits trying to fix this already wasted 100 credits easily

[gentle phoenix]

I'm having the same problems with my prompts that are causing me a lot of expense because neither v5 nor 4.5 is working. I make electronic music and I specify the prompts very well, including putting references to artists that I like, but it's still generating songs that are completely outside of what I'm asking for.

[inland elm]

Can you share an example prompt? I want to test a bit

[cobalt estuary]

Intro or instrumental section at the start doesn't work anymore for me, do you have the same?

[half dragon]

it's a display issue currently... The button is there to switch back but it's invisible..
Move your mouse to the bottom left corner of the lyric box.. the mouse will turn to a hand.. just click to that empty space... it'll work!

[sour stream]

when i put artist referrences Suno blocks the creation???

[icy valve]

yeah that's mildly annoying when it's just a word that might match with an artist

[sour stream]

agreed!

[icy valve]

like i had 'swift drums' and it blocked it

[jade mist]

I still have the same problem as yesterday, all my songs sound like 4.5+ and not v5. For example, EDM with v5 sounds completely different than 4.5+. In 4.5+, it's almost always a very processed female voice singing without emotion. All EDM songs start the same way in 4.5+. But in V5 (when it's generating with it) it sounds completely different, more emotional, background vocalists, way better drops etc.

[arctic compass]

Why do my sliders now go into the red when set below 15% or above 85%? I used to be able to set Weirdnes and Style to 0% and Audio Influence to 100% but now if I do, the song won't get generated.

[untold briar]

It's just a warning so you know to expect unusual or non musical results, you can still use those settings.

[arctic compass]

But I hit create and nothing happens.

[jade mist]

I liked the sliders more before the create page update.

[toxic cairn]

I am having issue with the Suno account. In the app shows that I am am on Pro Plan. But on the web says that i'm on the free plan. Why is that? Anyone had this issue? I just purchased the pro plan sec ago!

[ionic wind]

This was true yesterday but seems to no longer be true now. There is no button, invisible or otherwise, for me right now. Reloading the page doesn't help. I just want to make instrumentals, but Suno adds random lyrics because of this.

[arctic compass]

Ah I just tried it again and it seems to have worked now. Thanks

[graceful condor]

I guess something is being worked on in the background . My audio upload is 2:20 and V5 only giving Extend :05 , :08 ,:07, :08.

[untold briar]

This can happen with any particular Extend. Try changing the Extend From time to backup 5, 10, 20, seconds. Suno likely thinks the song is ending. You can also Get Whole Song and Extend from a smaller extension to go longer on the other side.

[signal steppe]

Does anyone have issue subscribing to the pro plan?

[graceful condor]

when I extended I went back like 40 seconds.

[untold briar]

You may have to just try changing anything else. For example you could Replace instead of Extend. Or Cover/Remaster first, then Extend. Extend with a Persona at the same time.

v5 is quirky with Extending, this is a problem Suno is aware of, so it should hopefully improve over time as well.

[graceful condor]

track has no lyrics. and there is no instrumental button for me to select.

maybe I should try different browser?

[untold briar]

I think there is a UI bug, yeah. Can try style "instrumental, jazz, guitar, whatever" and it should generally be about the same.

[halcyon sparrow]

ah yes guys i only works with instrumental, and noticed since v5 i only get 1:45 - 2:40 song length but i need to be at least 3:30 - 4:20

[trim glade]

Damn, version 5 is making me aggressive. The vocals and the song are constantly lagging so much that the whole song starts again from the beginning or with a different verse. Then there are these electric guitars that are always there, even if you don't write anything about them in the style. Where do they come from? And they're always so incredibly loud? And why does verse 1 always have to start quietly and gently? It's really annoying. If I want a rock song, then I don't want the singer to lull me to sleep and then wake me up again brutally in the chorus. Why do you release something like this when version 5 doesn't even come close to the other models?

[halcyon sparrow]

NVM now got 30seconds song (no extend its the original)

[inner nova]

Poke I had a similar problem. Try signing out of both devices and then signing back in.

[magic haven]

Hey guys, is there a way to recreate a song like remaster and the song has vocals on it, but I want the remaster without vocals so I have just the instrumental of the song but the song should be exactly like the original one?

[lilac root]

am i the only one that thinks that V5 has way too much mumbling and humming in the vocals?

trying to do some afro-house edm with clear intro instrumentals, and V5 is humming all over it, although i excluded mumbling, humming styles

[cedar vault]

I have been getting 25-45 second long output for 2 days now since v5 released. Even when covering an existing track of 2+ mins, it will shit out 25sec snippets only.

Extending the track also doesn't work, it just selects the tail of the last hit and replaces it with another tail. Any known workarounds to force suno to make it longer?

[halcyon sparrow]

Didnt found any fixes for the moment i think its pure random but 3m+ track are uncommon and 4 min track rare but when i get longer track i have decent results 70% of times

[halcyon sparrow]

i get less shor track when using this intro (insert what u wante), first drop (insert what u want), second drop (insert what u want), finale (insert what u want) i only use instrumental so idk if this will work with voices

first drop = (insert waht u want) is good alternative

[cedar vault]

i have tried specifying total length, [chapter] lengths, etc but none of it seems to matter. 1200 credits down the drain already

[feral dawn]

https://suno.com/s/Ff4Z6oo79G2wonvt

[thorny fractal]

Hello, is there Suno tech support here? I'd like to ask about listening to tasks. It worked yesterday, but now it's been giving me an error for the second day.

[quick sonnet]

Try in #archived-ticket-help .

[polar spade]

@magic haven instrumental of a remaster output

Sure. Its simple. Just separate out the instrumental trsck by clicking Gget Stems and choose the two-pack (right side) stem separator. You should get the vocal and instrumental tracks of the song separated so youll have instrumental only.

For future tech questions, just post those here. Need - help room is just for guidance to available sources of help, not answers to tech questions. 🙏

[jade mist]

@trim glade This is what i've been saying. The current "v5" is not v5, it's 4.5+. Why? Because all songs sound like 4.5+. It's the same bug that has happened with every new version in the few days /weeks after it comes out. For example, v4.5=v4, v4=v3.5 etc etc.

[trim glade]

I have stop working with V5. For me Version 4,5+ is much better than 5.

[radiant jasper]

Greeting, i'm not sure if that's the good channel to ask, sorry in advance if it's not the case

I generated a few try for a music, I like the voice and build up of the first one, but I prefer the chorus rythm of the second. Is there a way to extend the first to have the chorus rythm of the second, but with the voice of the first? I tried a few things but didn't work well.. Thanks you in advance !

[half dragon]

I don't think it's possible at the moment.
Maybe with Suno Studio when it relesed - it's basically a DAW liked version of Suno, then it might be possible to blend 2 songs together.

[radiant jasper]

Oh nice ! Thanks for letting me know, i'll try to do something else until then

[quick sonnet]

I have a song and want my lyrics, which are copletly diferent, to be sung the same way. Should I posibly use an acapela version of that song, to get a result, I want?

[half dragon]

Use Stems feature to extract the instrumental stem, then cover that with your new lyric - give that a try
Have the Audio Influence slider as high as 80-90%
Though, your lyric should some what similar in term of structure and maybe number of words for best result.
There's also Add Vocal feature but not sure as I haven't used much - so try that as well on your instrumental stem with new lyric.

[slow magnet]

I’ve now found the ‘Download MIDI’ option, but where does the file end up? I don’t see anything being downloaded. Anyone know?

Or maybe it doesn’t work yet? I didn’t see this option yesterday

[half dragon]

That must be in Suno Studio - one of the lucky ones with early access.
But maybe being so new, not everything would work correctly yet.

[rich garden]

broken for me also

[slow magnet]

I’ve only had it for three days. Unfortunately, it doesn’t feel very finished. You can’t really do much except lower the volume, etc. I don’t feel like I have much control over the song, apart from generating a new one. But Studio is supposed to come out today — maybe it’ll be more complete then? I got an update for Studio today and now I see the option for MIDI, which costs 10 credits. When I click it, it processes, but then I can’t find where it ends up. It doesn’t look like anything actually gets downloaded. Just wondering if anyone else knows?

[rich garden]

I was kinda hoping it would allow us to write our own music and then can ai that pattern into whatever sound by prompt and mix all together well

[quick sonnet]

I am a free user.

[half dragon]

Oh sorry, that definitely limits the posibilities.
Maybe split the stems using 3rd party then upload to Cover?

[graceful condor]

v5 is overall a real disapointment as the last weeks were in total. Remaster from 4.5 sound all terrible. Either the voices is weird, the mix is muffled or the Instruments are just off. And as "so great" they praised their new realistic voices. I like 4.5 more and honestly what is it worth if they misspell literally a dozens of words within lyrics regardless if it is English, Japanese or any other language. It is just really getting old. Instead of anything real new and working as intended.

[quick sonnet]

Yes can split the stems using 3rd party tools. But was thinking to using than the vocal part, so the new song will be sung in the same rhytm and chords progression.

[inland elm]

It happens because of the [intro] tag, try adding something that negates what the model imagines as a human voice.
[Intro: instrumental, synth mix, sub-bass swell, shuffled hats, moody pads textures]

You can replace the "synth mix" with anything "melodic" that can negate the voice layer. Maybe even "power line hums" or something.
Hope it helped in any way 🙂

[gilded crest]

THANK YOU!!! Wow, that was so frustrating, I was worried I lost a bunch of work, and just put it to sleep hoping someone would respond. Thank you thank you!❤️

[graceful condor]

Honestly what the freakin BIG F is wrong with V5? They rush through each song if it is a speed contest regardless of the style and type of song. This weird pacing ruins nearly each track.

[modest crow]

Any suggetions for sound effects? Specifically ringing. I've tried multiple things and all it does is just give me the vocalizations too I just want a dang ring sound. I've tried brackets, I've tried adding it to the prompt, I've tried parenthesis, asterisks, etc. Nothing. Just the dumbass humming and haunted vocal singing absolutely nothing at all

[neat nexus]

Would you be willing to post a few examples?

[patent coyote]

why does it say when i try to extend an audio clip Failed to generate error occured

[halcyon sparrow]

Sunno studio kinda fire i can remix my old tracks / strems i did with FL studio in the past

[stark hornet]

Anybody know how to get a looping track? I'm putting together some music for my Dungeons and Dragons battles, but kinda want them to be able to be played in loop without having an obvious lull between the end and the beginning

[ionic wind]

There's no automatic looping, and doing it manually is a very technical process that requires some degree of skill (and it can be very hard to do with AI-generated music in the first place).

[half dragon]

It's a generic error when there was a server error.. just try again and hopefully it won't persist.

[patent coyote]

i did an hour later still fail

[half dragon]

Try to generate something else see if it's actually because of that audio clip.
Also try with different audio clip?

[patent coyote]

normally though if its copyright or something it doesnt let you upload it but it let me upload it just wont let me extend

[radiant jasper]

About the Audio influence, it say it inclure audio reference and personna, but.. how do it work when we have both?

[half dragon]

That might be it - I assume the clip has vocal?

[patent coyote]

yes it has a woman saying a short sentance

[radiant lake]

Hello! The songs I create with V5 have a good start, but by the middle of the song, things start to go wrong, the sounds, voices, and instruments mix together, and nothing can be understood anymore. I tried to create instrumental music, but the Instrumental button has disappeared, and the V4.5+ version was very good for instrumental music where the created song could last up to 8 minutes, and the extended second part could reach 4 minutes, which can no longer be done now. Has the V4.5+ version been changed? I created instrumental songs lasting about an hour with V4.5+, but I see that now it can no longer be done; it gives me an extension for the second part of 13 seconds, 10 seconds, which is irrelevant.

[graceful condor]

I am going to send you a message.

[fervent swallow]

Will Suno Studio launch today for Premier plan subscribers? If so, what time?

[lavish oasis]

They have a tutorial vid on YouTube

Correction, had. Looks like it got hidden or taken down

[remote bronze]

yeah im premier and dont seem to have studio yet either

[halcyon sparrow]

i noticed that exclude can chage a song RLY badly and giving it worse
started with : cheesy melodies, overcrowded mix, muddy mix, overly compressed sound, clipping, distortion artifacts, phasing artifacts, overly crunchy bass, overly crunchy kick, degradation, washed-out reverb, shimmer effects, hiss THEN I DID : cheesy melodies, overcrowded mix, muddy mix, overly compressed sound, clipping, distortion artifacts, phasing artifacts, overly crunchy bass, overly crunchy kick, lo-fi degradation, washed-out reverb, shimmer effects, hiss, guitars, guitar riffs, metal influence, rock influence, punk influence, psytrance influence, trance arpeggiators, 90s trance leads, EDM supersaws, dubstep elements, trap beats, cheesy synth leads, mainstream hardstyle leads, drones, eerie drones, oppressive drones, granular glitch overload, excessive noise walls, harsh distortion walls, synthetic robotic vocals, vocals of any kind (sung, spoken, chants), too many layers at once, chaotic layering, random glitch chaos
and completly fucked everything

[neat nexus]

That's fine so long as you understand the intention is to pass these along privately to Team members so it can be investigated.

[hard beacon]

I think they will launch it within the next 90 minutes.. typical update time;)

[patent coyote]

tried a different audio clip and same thing An error occurred generating a clip.
An error occurred.

[rich garden]

I do it like, song -> dl -> add the song after the song in some editing thing -> upload again -> replace section at end of song into start of song wherever u wanna make it loop

[knotty stag]

I am trying to extend an instrumental piece, using v5, and am getting extensions between 13 and 22 seconds long, which is not really an extension but just a different ending. Is this a bug in v5?

[graceful condor]

I have the same issue other way around. I only get extensions around 3-4+ minutes long even if the Part 1 Song is already 5-6 min long.

[shadow pier]

Midi download can take up to a minute or two to download, and then the file will land in your default 'Downloads' folder (this is determined by your browser)

[knotty stag]

I tried in v4.5 and got 1:22 which is an improvement.

[graceful condor]

V5 is a mess in generall. Missing lyrics, misspelled lyrics, rushed vocals. it is so weird.

[knotty stag]

I have found v5 good in creating new songs, just sometimes lacking with the extend feature.

[graceful condor]

Also songs are cut off way earlier. I used the same prompt with 4.5+ got 6+ min songs and with V5 around 3 1/2 or 4 something

[lone tapir]

I also think 4.5 was just better all round

[quick sonnet]

Once again just for fun have participated in that remix contest, and as always suno has generated 2 tracks, but can't see that they are remixex and of which song. Is it a bug?
https://suno.com/s/IFJZ7tLe0KAxjHFS
https://suno.com/s/skUVPv8dkdwA2G3w

[quiet dune]

Anyway to use the same voice?

[quick sonnet]

Do you mean personas?

[quiet dune]

@quick sonnet yea but it doesn't work still generates a new voice

[quick sonnet]

Possibly just a bug, especially if you using this new v5, have read it still full of bugs, but as a free user can't confirm it to be so.

[worthy otter]

Recreating single stems in studio, this is a good start:
https://suno.com/s/JXTWOCo5o3zmr7SK

[tepid moth]

I tried to create a drum stem for a melodic techno track but it included the bass, and sometimes also the full music, so it needs work. Sounded a bit better though than the separated drum stem from the full song. Not perfect, but little bit better. I`ll give it that.

[tepid moth]

This will be the ultimate test too see if export as midi is working or not 😀 . I think it is not working yet, but you should test with that stem. Give it a challenge.

[worthy otter]

A percussion track is perhaps harder since they contain multiple instruments (snare, bass, hihats, crashhats etc.) so i am not sure if it will understand if you say solo percussion stem or solo drum stem. You might be able to pull it off by saying Solo Pearl Export EXX drum-kit stem

[velvet hornet]

I'm trying to replace the instrumental of the drum-track of a song in Suno Studio. The new tracks often include other instruments for some reason. Anyone else got that problem?

[neat nexus]

@graceful condor Can you try generating with the default slider positions and see if that makes a difference in your results? The Slider positions are not going to be the same results from model to model so if you have a range that you rely on in v4.5\v4.5+ you're going to have to seek new values for v5.

[tepid moth]

Yeah right. I only did choose "Drums" without any prompts. I will try that. Thanks for the tip.

[tepid moth]

Yes

[velvet hornet]

Must be a bug right? I mean... are we able to get credits back when getting faulty results like that?

[tepid moth]

I give them all a thums down, and I guess they will be returning the credits then.

For sure a bug, or maybe its just not good enough yet this system they have

[velvet hornet]

ill try to report them as a bug, then thumbs them down after. I just upgraded to premium, so I got a little disappointed when i didnt get the results expected.

[reef tree]

ever thought of adding a DJ mix like Apple’s Automix?

[worthy otter]

If you split a Suno generated song, there is no warranty you get every stem splitted properly. that is often the biggest challenge in Suno.

[tepid moth]

Yes but I think most people tought that the stems would be much better when it is creating indicidual stems. In theory it should be perfect, but it is what I expected at least in the start of this.

[velvet hornet]

That's one thing, and I buy that. But shouldn't Suno Studio be able to handle just a single instrument, like the drums? I mean, generate only the drums without any other instruments in the background.

I may be doing it wrong. ill play with it some more 😛

[tepid moth]

Great point.

[cyan holly]

Midi quality/details feedback update anyone, on a scale 0 out of 10 anyone?

[tepid moth]

So it is working now?

[cyan holly]

I don't know, I'm trying to understand if the midi hype is worth to upgrade from Pro to Premier

I'm trying to get feedback from people who do have it

for some, it works I've read

but no one is willing to answer about the quality of it

mostly because people don't have experience with DAW and working with Midis I assume lol

[tepid moth]

I just hope it is not like the audio to midi in Reason. Cause that feature sucks.

[cyan holly]

yeah that would blow

because I can isolate stems already today and just convert the .wav to midi on Ableton

and it blows, quality wise

I want stuff like that

I reverse engineered Fred Again's track

Access to midi's in detailed level

every synth, pad, bass note/chord progression

so I could modify them, change the sound preset, apply sounds I've designed on my own

if I only get a poor quality Midi file, it's not worth the hype for me

and before I dont understand how it's currently, I'm not willing to upgrade from pro to premier

So a marketing advise for you, team Suno, from someone in the industry over 12 + years - make a overview video about the quality and quantity of MIDI's that people can get with Suno Studio if they subscribe to Premier Plan, because that will for sure increase your conversion rate from Pro to Premier or Free to Premier, if it's really good, or shows the potential to be good post beta.

because I've gone to the 'Manage subcription' page today 5 times, thinking about taking the leap of faith and just upgrading blindly, but a sense of 'reality' has held me back, because I wanna know what I am getting

don't know even who to tag here to get this idea across to Suno team, don't wanna be annoying with it, but I find it important

so idk, gonna try my luck with @lunar mesa here. Thank you for listening

[flint elm]

Since I'm not that well-versed in the technical changes with Suno, I wanted to ask what the major changes are that are noticeable in v5? I've used 4.5+ extensively and, at least at first glance, I don't see any CRAZY changes for v5. The interface looks the same in terms of style description, weirdness, style influence, etc. Could someone who is more deeply involved with the subject briefly break down for me how v5 clearly differs from 4.5+? Can I use different prompts or are they more precise? For example, Verse 1 female vocals, pre-chorus male vocals, chorus mixed vocals, etc. That was always something that was rather random with Suno and never worked exactly right. Maybe someone here knows more than I do.

[supple moon]

What is the best practice (if it exists) to make Suno emphasize specific syllables in a word?

[ebon cairn]

so is it confirmed this is not true stem generation like in the way moises does it and we have to pay not only for the generation but then again to split it just to get the individual stem w wanna use?

[tepid moth]

I can let you know when the midi actually working. Add me on Suno. Same username.

[cyan holly]

Thank you, I really appreciate it!

[cyan holly]

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[tepid moth]

Ohyeah I cnahed it after signing up. Try Fade2oivind

[cyan holly]

Gotcha, added.

[junior lotus]

So far I haven't been able to generate isolated drums. It always generates other instruments, unlike Moises, which can actually generate just thet one selected instrument.
Does anyone know a way around this?

[ebon cairn]

some are saying add "solo drums track" in the style prompt

im just trying it with solo lead vocal.

[lone copper]

how do you generate a custom drum sound and place it in a specified part of the song?

[half dragon]

Studio is live - #📢┃announcements message

[torpid haven]

Should have given a test month or something for existing paying users.

[spice birch]

Yes

[torpid haven]

Unfortunately the outputs of v5 are so different to my 4.5+ outputs. It was really hard for me to create a prompt for 4.5+ according to my taste. Everything tends to sound commercial now but I guess its still a prompting thing.

[viral pond]

so what actually costs credit in suno studio ?

[fresh bison]

So... I just tried to extract the stems from a song made via Suno.... The vocals... That is garbage. It has only taken half of it. How much does it cost to use stuff in Studios? 50 credits to make it extract the stems? And it did a VERY poorly you at that.

[tepid moth]

Should be unnecessary too prompt drums within drums. If we create drums it should stick too drums, and not spit out a drum stems with bass and/or the full song. Ive had no luck generate a clean stem yet.

[prisma hound]

The prompt adherence is at another level.
4.5+ and 5 are thought of as core DAW engines - meaning that you can enter json-like micro instructions like what a DAW overlay would do. The v5 brings that to just another level. You can produce track switching in very different styles and it does it.

[flint elm]

Do I mostly use the style description or do I also give input where the lyrics are? Cause sometimes I'm wondering what makes more sense or what Suno tends to focus on more. Or is there a difference in what I would use in the style description and the lyrics? That's something I just wanna make sure I'll be using correctly.

[gleaming cobalt]

Is there a place where I can go to see all the different techniques and stuff that Suno understand?

[prisma hound]

It's both in fact. The song description is very important but since it's 1000 characters you need to write something very specific and clear, not only keywords of styles (you still need to have them but contextualised).
Inside your song prompt you need to add [daw instructions] to guide the ai in each of your parts

As an example of a song using this kind of technique:
https://suno.com/s/qWPR9eYgDdUbCiLn

This one too (both to exactly get the desired style):
https://suno.com/s/ALHvD07qa5xFlju5

A benchmark using this technique but without the prompt
https://suno.com/s/qBAuMm9YZDE871Zy

[velvet hornet]

I agree... If you generate drums, it should stick to drums, same for the other instruments. I thought that was the whole point with Suno studio. I hope this get fixed very soon.

[prisma hound]

Follow this account that is in advance in this kind of technique and publish from time to time
https://suno.com/@the_interstice

[flint elm]

thanks for giving me a detailed summary! That actually helps a lot!

[surreal rivet]

So. can anyone help explain to me how to the the animated background images for your songs?

[prisma hound]

You're welcome. There is still lots to learn and I think there's still room for improvement. The point being that Suno does not publish anything about what kind of command its engine understands - probably because they don't know all yet!

[prisma hound]

What do you want to know exactly?

[surreal rivet]

is this a suno thing? or another website?

[flint elm]

yeah it's always trial and error with each version. I already produced results that are quite different from older versions. It gets easier and easier to combine different kind of vocal styles. While getting a song with mixed vocals felt random back then I now get results where verse 1 has male vocals, the pre-chorus a female choir and the second verse got female vocals. that's definetly the kind of evolution I wanted to see. But with the new version I wasn't so sure if Suno understands those details even better or not and where to put every twist and turn I wanna have in a specific song.

[prisma hound]

Personally for my songs I use Midjourney. I make my video in three rounds - as Midjourney first do 5s then each expand is around 4s and I loop at the last expand to make it go back to the initial image. Then I convert its 25fps into 30fps and I'm under the 11s.
For the image used as start frame I use either Midjourney, ChatGPT or recently nano banana here to get Illangelo as a Congolese Rumba Singer 😎
https://suno.com/s/ALHvD07qa5xFlju5

[prisma hound]

Indeed it's always tricky but since 4.5 it was working quite well. See in this example but I'm sure with v5 it will be much easier:
https://suno.com/s/9w2IugNLgudb7ZSE

[gray summit]

Hi all. With V5 it feel there is more "ohhh uhahaha" singing at the beginning which sounds to weird for me. You also experience this and ideas to avoid this?

[sand egret]

I agree, adding "Instrumental Solo" on the intro helped me a little.. still hit or miss. Did V5 shorten the song length? no matter what I do I can't seem to get a 5+ minute song anymore.

[halcyon sparrow]

song need to be at least 4 minutes and 30 secondes add this

[sand egret]

I've been putting at least 5 minutes.. doesn't work

[quiet estuary]

V5 made only 2min~2:30 that suck

[viral pond]

Anyone know if persona design is possible?

[velvet hornet]

I feel that v5 doesnt listen to the prompts at all with the drums. even if I "force it" within the lyrics. like [Rapid double-kick drums], it still slow down to a half tempo. When I changed to v4.5 it listened the first try. hm..

[sand egret]

I may have to back up too then.. V5 sounds great, but what does that mean if it isn't listening to the prompts? I might try producing something in V4.5 and then Covering it in V5. I don't have high hopes though, as I have already tried covering a 7 minute song and V5 wont give me anything past 5 minutes.

[sullen remnant]

yeah, v5 seems to understand prompts diferently and I havent maxprompt it yet

[atomic plinth]

Yeah why my Deathcore come in so heavy and then boom Verse 1 its Mumble Rap😭

[trim adder]

Goddamit why can’t I generate ambient without drums?!

[sullen remnant]

what are you prompting and what v

what kind of ambient too

[velvet hornet]

Yup.. V5 and Studio is eating alot of credits right now for sure. To many bugs.

[trim adder]

v5

[velvet hornet]

too bad I upgraded to premium and the features doesnt work. =S

[trim adder]

wrong guy

[sullen remnant]

thats a lot of weirdness hmmm maybe just ambient as the genre is to broad, idk what you are looking for but adding another ambient adjacent genre might help

[atomic plinth]

I think you replied ot the wrong peson xD

[sullen remnant]

yeah sorry

[atomic plinth]

80% is really high

[sand egret]

that is a pretty high weirdness level.. you should expect unpredictable results.

[sullen remnant]

man i dont never even go that high with style influence

they are watching

[trim adder]

What gives?

[sullen remnant]

bro stop sending that, moods gona ban you

[trim adder]

i can’t post the reddit post i got the 80% wierdness idea from?

[sullen remnant]

i guess no

[sand egret]

I wouln't post any links.. safe and sorry and what not

[trim adder]

but why?

[sullen remnant]

what kind of ambient are you going for? do yoou have an example from an artist?

[trim adder]

it was even in r/Suno

[atomic plinth]

Yeah without fail, Intro is super heavy, then immediatly gets to Verse 1 and straight goes to rap

[atomic plinth]

Say you were someone malicious, its super easy to hide in a link, and discord basically has no protections for you if you click on it, so better to not allow them

[sand egret]

why does it cost so much to exists? why don't people get along? (Shrugs) We don't always get the answers we seek.

[trim adder]

well, i’m not someone malicious

[sullen remnant]

i hope not

[trim adder]

i’m not

[sand egret]

tell that to the bot

[atomic plinth]

Thats what they all would say :p
But point is, if someone is capable of doing it, then its best to not allow it to protect the users in here.

[trim adder]

i’m not malicious

[atomic plinth]

Not saying you are, just explaining more than likely on why you cant post them.

[sand egret]

maturity is not age restricted. Someone always ruins it for everyone.

[trim adder]

anyways, anything without drums

[sand egret]

have you tried [Isolated Ambient Sounds] ?

[trim adder]

you mean sound effects?

[sullen remnant]

maybe find some references and look into the subgenres, i would recomend adding the genre "Drone" and not using anything beyond v4

[sand egret]

no, if I meant sound effects I would have said that. If you meant sound effects why did you say "ambient" ?

[sullen remnant]

sorry a meant beyond v4.5, i dont really like 4.5+ or 5

but if you are doing ambient, you probably are good with v4 even

[trim adder]

i tried that before and i still got drums

[sand egret]

V5 has been good to me on covers, as long as you aren't picky on duration.