📚┃suno-school

[celest heron]

No way as far as I know, to force a song to fit within the 4 minutes if you have a lot of lyrics.

[frail gazelle]

thanks, i wish they could add fade like studio's do. but i will try and extend

[celest heron]

Are the lyrics being cut off or just the instrumentals?

[frail gazelle]

both, depending on my songs. its only a few and they are finishing up with repeat lyrics or music. i believe if it was 4.5 minutes it would work

[celest heron]

If the lyrics are being cut off, extending is the only way. If instrumentals are being cut off, with no more lyrics, you can try multiple generations, and you might get a shorter instrumental outro with a proper fade, to fit within the 4 minutes. You could also play around with tags if you haven't tried that, such as: [Outro: Gentle fingerpicking, warm harmonies], for example. If it's repeating sections of songs that you don't want, I'd just make more generations until they don't repeat. Otherwise, you're going to have a lot of work to do with crops, replaces, and extends.

[hybrid jolt]

Hi all,
The AI repeats the first verse—sometimes immediately after the first verse, sometimes in place of the second verse (after the first chorus), and occasionally moves the second verse to follow the bridge. In short, the AI does not adhere to the structure and even changes the lyrics, often altering the last lines of a verse or chorus.
Have you encountered this issue? Have you found a solution?

[celest heron]

Did you try generating the same song again? Sometimes it does weird things, and you just have to try it again.

[untold briar]

Try numbering the verses like [verse 1] [verse 2]

If it's an Extension, try #📚┃suno-school message

[hybrid jolt]

Yes, I’m trying to regenerate the same song because the first one had exactly the issue I’m talking about. I already number the verses.
I use capital letters for all the sections: [INTRO] [VERSE 1] [CHORUS] [BRIDGE] [OUTRO].
It usually works quite well, but today I’m experiencing this issue with verse repetition, which happens frequently.

[celest heron]

Honestly, I gave up with Suno about an hour ago. I was working on a replace, and every single one was glitchy as f**k. And I made about 30 replace segments. There might be something going on with their site. When stuff like this happens, I'll just try again later.

[hybrid jolt]

You're probably right. I'll let the AI rest for a bit because right now I'm wasting credits for nothing.

[violet locust]

Hi friends,
I'm new here. Could you help me to resolve 2 question?

1. How I create JUST 1 songs instead of 2 songs?
2. How I can extend my song for a long time? When I used "extend", it just extend for 3 seconds 😩

[celest heron]

You can't just generate 1 song. It always generates two. If you are having this extend issue now, look at my messages above. Suno is acting funny right now. I'd try again in a few hours. But in general, sometimes it does strange things, and you just have to make multiple generations.

[violet locust]

Thank you Riff. I will try later so

[frail gazelle]

with SUNO adding feature they need to address some of these issues first before adding features. im paying for this app i would like to see these adressed

[celest heron]

Completely agree, extrememly frustrating. Honestly, it seems like they're almost doing it on purpose. They make more money this way, because we waste credits and have to re-up. Since AI isn't super predictable yet, it's sometimes hard to know if it's a bug that can be fixed, or if it's just the AI doing it's thing.

[digital sequoia]

I pay and get nothing

[quick wedge]

I didn’t know that. I thought the person meant actual piano music sheets that people can use outside of Suno with their songs on it. The person didn’t clarify which one it was.

[celest heron]

I don't think I understand what Jonathan Fly is saying. This is a hack for infinite credits?

[quick wedge]

I don’t understand it either 🤷‍♀️

[spark cargo]

neither do I but the json output is interestingly revealing

[hardy iris]

I’m having problems with getting suno to regenerate the video after I have changed some miss spelling. Anybody got some ideas how to work around this?

[spiral knoll]

To get the video to regenerate when that bug happens, I edit the song removing 0.01s from the end of the song. This regenerates the song and music video using updated song details.

[lilac pasture]

Right now, it seems impossible for me to create covers that don’t sound almost exactly like the song I’m covering. It doesn’t matter if I switch to a completely different music style. I’ve mostly tested with v4, but also with v3.5. It’s been difficult at times before, but at least a quarter of the songs used to turn into decent covers. Any tips?

[bitter stone]

Hello, how can I follow more people? When I search on suno biu I only see the TOP users, but where are the others?

[tiny falcon]

Click search on the left menu, type in your genres, it'll list all the songs that are made in that genres, then you can Ctrl click on the creator you like to view more of his/her songs.

[polar spade]

If it were 4.5 minutes, everyone would insist on 5000 lyrics character limits because Suno would stop at 4.1 minutes, then lyrics would get cut at 4.5 minutes. 😁 it's a vicious cycle as Suno tries to optimize over the whole song rather that squeeze everything in under 4 minutes.

[lime forge]

I'm ready to agree to a length of 3:50 if the song is without distortion at the end

[fossil bridge]

the distortion is actually not hard to fix with remaster or replace.

[lime forge]

The replacement in version 4 works terribly

[polar spade]

Cutting intro off a 4 minute song , down to 3:50 and moving distortion to the beginning ahhh... there. Done. No more distortion at the end.

[lime forge]

I've never had any distortions at the beginning

[fossil bridge]

I haven't had much issues with it. Just need to give it plenty of space to work with. If it still won't work, then use remaster.

[polar spade]

I was pretending I was suno.

[fossil bridge]

ALso if it's just music being messed up.. you can stem it

then remaster or replace it and merge it back

[lime forge]

these are additional credits for my money

Last time I spent more credits on fixing bugs Suno than on generating songs

[polar spade]

If i were to agree to one thing 100%, it would be that Suno should stop saying " you can make 150 songs!" When 1) these are not song, they are outputs and 2) TOS clearly states the output lengths and quality are random and with no certain expectations as to the results. So, one "song" might take 37 outputs.

[lime forge]

for my real money the dream of generated good songs

[polar spade]

We should hope. I'm with you there.

[agile locust]

I'm having an issue to download a WAV file, i need to fix this because she is the one 😄

[spice birch]

Download it using MP3. Works for me

[agile locust]

I want WAV not MP3

[spice birch]

Lol. It never worked for me using WAV

[agile locust]

for me just this song doesn't work the other work

[fossil bridge]

I can download both fine

[agile locust]

me too but not this track.

[grim walrus]

Anyone have this issue ?

[paper quail]

how to generate 1 song and not 2

[agile locust]

How can I speak to customer service?

[fossil bridge]

try closing out of the browser?

could be some cookie or cache issue

[agile locust]

tried everything, even from the iphone

same thing

[final hazel]

At the moment you click on download "wav", it tries to generate the "wav". My first though is that either your song is too long, or corrupt. But I am not staff, not a dev, only a moderator.. If you want to talk to support you can reach them via [e-mail]

[agile locust]

that doesn't make sense because if I try to download it in mp3 works

[final hazel]

Yes it does.. mp3 are already there... wavs are created when you request and are more mb

[paper quail]

why . i can not just select "minute" and just put numbers in there" instead it will put in a number behind the "02" lol

[fossil bridge]

What if you remaster it? Can you download that?

[paper quail]

should be better

i want to extend from 00:39 but it takes 00:45 lol

[agile locust]

I sent an email to the support service, thanks

[night swallow]

Does anyone know how to get rid of that glitching ticks sound in 4v song seems like every song has it and it’s dumping my credits because the background noise sounds terrible

[fossil bridge]

stem

[night swallow]

What do you mean

[half dragon]

not possible... but usually you'd never generate one then got what you need immediately... maybe once in a blue moon... so with just 1 you'll end up generate again anyway... it's good to have 2 to compare

[fossil bridge]

It splits the track into instrumental and vocal. It removes the "shimmer" sound

[night swallow]

When I download the stems it won’t have that stupid fan hitting steel sounds in the background

?

[fossil bridge]

ya

[night swallow]

I would kiss you right now … I have wasted 2300 credits trying to figure out how to get rid of that

[fossil bridge]

then you can use somethjing like audacity to put it back together

I was pretty frustrated with v4 when it first came out

stem then remaster then stem again can work wonders too

say if you still have garbled vocals

unforunately remaster will reintroduce the shimmer

[agile locust]

Anyone noticed that there is an audio artifact between the fourth and fifth second? in every track, always.

[digital sequoia]

yes

v4 is garbage

I just payd 10€ and get nothing i still have 50 coins lol

[agile locust]

I hope they'll fix that and the shimmering soon

I'm wasting a lot of coins

[digital sequoia]

is the second time that they eat my cash for nothing

im wonder if out there is something similar cs i change quick

mabe we should try the git version that also is free, but they dont say how to install bcs is not working with pip

[round umbra]

Can you tell me how I can contact support?

Here?

about the payment from Russia

[nova lodge]

I officially suspended my sub until shimmer is addressed

[polar spade]

Payments would be [e-mail]

[rapid siren]

How can I get a billing issue sorted out?

[polar spade]

See above.... [e-mail]

[rapid siren]

thanks but I have been even from a while back and just keep get an email saying go to Knowledge Base or Discord server still

[polar spade]

BTW, though we are just members discussing Suno techniques in here, giving some detail of your billing issue might clue us into a previous fix or resolve we have seen with other members.

[vivid wasp]

Trying to get a spoken voice with no bg music, but the bg music keeps getting generated. Was hoping that some advancements had been mare. Is anybody having any luck with this type of thing?

[polar spade]

I think the email says they will get back in touch as soon as possible, but in the meantime, you might find an answer in Knowledge Base or seeing if Discord peers can help.

So what's up?

[polar spade]

As is typically for any company, each subsequent email one sends basically signals them to ignore the previous and focus on your current issue (your last email) . So that will cause delays for getting a response as you go further back in line.

[polar spade]

It's thought that the use of exclusion prompts is designed to "not" do something.

And.... so... using "no" in lyrics is ignored. And only "music" or "instrumental" is followed.

[vivid wasp]

Very true thanks for pointing that out

What else do you suggest

[polar spade]

Didn't you ask about getting a 1930s short jingle a couple of days ago

[vivid wasp]

That I did get and was a perfect turn out

[polar spade]

You created one?

[vivid wasp]

I needed the instrumental to use outside of Suno for a mock 1930's radio ad

[polar spade]

Right. And you were having issues getting it to stay short, sound crackle and vintage. We're you able to get one that sounds that way?

[vivid wasp]

What I'm trying to do now is create a radio broadcast show for a Call of Cthulhu setting

[vivid wasp]

Yup

[rapid siren]

I recently attempted to renew my monthly plan, which expired on 14/01/2025. At the time, I still had 2,990 credits remaining. However, my account automatically switched to the Basic plan.

After noticing this, I upgraded to the Pro plan, and payment was successfully processed. Despite this, my account still reflects the Basic plan, and I did not receive the credits associated with the Pro subscription.

As a result, I cancelled the Basic plan after paying for the Pro plan, and now I'm quite confused about the status of my account and credits.

[polar spade]

I would say, search "spoken voice" or "announcer" or "announcement " and check the list of outputs of other members to see what they've done to keep out the bg music.

[polar spade]

Ok. Cool.

[vivid wasp]

Yeah those prompts you had on your track were perfection for what I needed for that ad jingle

[graceful condor]

Why is phosphate a disallowed word in the lyrics on Suno?

[polar spade]

If within the same account... (1)account is your personal information (2) subscriptions are a billing entities and paid through stripe.

So your subscription may update both on your subscription page showing "active" and your new credits of 2500 showing. But.... if the payment has not yet posted (generally up to 48 hours) then you'll be in limbo until Stripe pay center posts the money to your Suno account.

At times, ther could be an payment issue with your own bank or card. It's always good to check that point before doing anything else. Check your bank app for payment to show debited, or card statement... if not then that's where to start.

If debited, then it's to check or wait for an email from suno of your receipt that you're new subscription payment has been received.

[polar spade]

Frm what i can tell, the payment was not yet posted in Sunos bank as you were past the expired date and sitting now as a Basic tier user. So you lost the credits of course at the expire date.

But until the pro payment was received by Suno and you got a receipt emailed as proof, you didn't level up to Pro yet before you then canceled , at least, the Basic sub tier as well.

I would suspect they will receive eventually, your pro plan payment and you will start over on a pro plan and all will be fine. But has it been at least three business days (including time of payment)since you made payment? Today is Saturday 1pm EST Suno time.

[frail gazelle]

the issue i have is SUNO makes some songs too long past 4 minutes. why cant the AI keep it under 4 so i dont have to do extra work on it. and another thing why do they take away the credits we pay for instead of us keeping what we pay for.. Money grab is what it seems to be

some months i write alot and others not so much, so if i dont use all my credits i would like to keep them

[polar spade]

Balance Credits do not roll over.

[graceful condor]

Think of credits as a "cap", not actual money. You don't actually own your credits; it's just a way to limit how many generations you can make.

It sounds greedy but it makes sense. If they rolled over, people could build up a huge amount of credits and then overload the server by using them all at once.

[polar spade]

Yep, you're not really buying credits.You're buying more opportunity

It's not 10 credits 1 song. It's 10 credits , 2 generative outputs. More credits give you more chances and some extra tools to get something you like

[frail gazelle]

im fine with that but when i write a song and it goes over 4 minutes then it uses more of my credits to fix the issue if i can. its not a perfect app for sure

would be nice to be able to fade these songs, then it wouldnt cost me

[polar spade]

What d'ya think. Have you gotten any receipts by email?

[polar spade]

What's going on? Maybe someone here can help suggest a direction?

[trim glade]

can i recover deleted songs? 😦

[half dragon]

Yes, from your trash bin.

[trim glade]

how i find this?

[half dragon]

https://suno.com/me/trash

[trim glade]

thx 🙂

[half dragon]

or here...

[trim glade]

oh thx again 😄

[polar spade]

What's your genre style you're going for?

[bronze pecan]

why is the code tag in this discord blocked? the one with the 3 of these `
so that spacebars etc arent removed

That makes absolutely zero sense to block that

[fossil bridge]

test

works here

[bronze pecan]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1328413688780165192

Here it didnt work

[untold briar]

Oh, I was making a joke by using the Suno image prompt to generate a picture of sheet music!

[rapid siren]

Great thanks for that kind sir

[vocal basin]

Hey Suno Fam

Can someone please guide me on how to use V4 to prompt cover songs, especially when using uploaded files?

[last pewter]

What do you want to know?

[humble shale]

Is anyone else having problems extending songs?

[vocal basin]

I would like to know the standard prompts that I should always use to generate good content and use my credit efficiently.

[last pewter]

We all want that 😂

[fleet sequoia]

is there a list of promts i can use ?

[last pewter]

No

[frozen pivot]

You use COVER to creat versions of existing songs. Make sure you already created a song and from that song’s menu (…) choose create and find Cover

[vocal basin]

Yes I know that but there should me some kind of prompts to use with v4 as it is not so stable yet

[frozen pivot]

This is a difficult one, since there is no formula to use credits efficiently. Suno is used to create music content that is suppose to be unique. This is how I see it. If I can create 5 songs a month for $10, ($2 a song) by burning all the credits…

I would have achieved what no musician or studio would without Ai, Suno, etc.

Whilst maximizing credit use is desirable, Experimenting with styles, tags, etc… might be the way to go. This means burning a lot of credit…

I know, I’ve not answered your question, but just a bit of encouragement 😊.

[fathom cedar]

Has anyone tried succesfully to reduce the tempo of the music? I'd like a piano composition that is not too alert, rather slow, with lazy notes coming in slowly and soothingly. However, what I get is way too alert. I tried specifying low tempo, calm, slow and a lot of keywords like that, but maybe I am going about this in the wrong way?

[frozen pivot]

Your style section in Suno has a great deal of influence in your compositions. You don’t have to put too many tags in the style section, however, using the tags in your style and in the lyrics within [] sometimes helps. Open the song with a full description within […] and see what happens.

Again, it’s all about experimenting

[quick wedge]

Sorry I didn’t know. Hope you’re doing well today.

[fathom cedar]

Alright, good point, thanks!

[agile storm]

is there an alternative to suno.wiki ?

why did it got discontinued

[austere gate]

How I can lower the pitch in one of my songs?

[frozen pivot]

I am not sure why? My guess is, Suno has evolved during the last few months at a very fast pace. Any documents older than a year are certainly outed.

Also, the wiki is not an official document of Suno.

[hollow hare]

The easiest and cheapest option would be to use an audio editor like Audacity

[clear stirrup]

why do i get this when i try to replace a section of a song, i'm replacing a 3.5v section with a 3.5v section

[worn flicker]

You got that the first time you tried to execute the command? That seems like an error about how often you are clicking the same button.

[worn flicker]

Like Lumine said, Audacity. Most software these days will lower pitch without slowing down the song, but just in case. When I pitch bend a song I will adjust the Tempo as needed.

[clear stirrup]

i clicked it ONCE and it spammed my screen, its happens every time i try to listen to the replaced section, and i've generated it like 6 times now, every time i have to f5 to stop it from flooding my screen

[worn flicker]

Ah. OK so a web browser error. Have you tried a different browser?

[clear stirrup]

i can do, but i only have firefox, it's all i trust

[worn flicker]

I hear ya. This is the way to test. If you are on windows then you have Edge, iOS you have Safari more than likely. Even if just to test this out.

I toggle on trust. Firefox being its own code has advantages, but has had its own issues and Edge and Chrome being built on Chromium makes them have the same-ish vulnerabilities when they present themselves.

[bronze pecan]

this message comes also sometimes when you open your own suno profile

its a new bug

[clear stirrup]

i used edge (was stressful logging in as i forgot EVERYTHING) but i did get the same pop up when i first went on the website, but luckily no spam when i made a new selection

[worn flicker]

I didn't know that, I've been on a little break...lol. thanks for the info

[worn flicker]

At least you know it isn't just you

[last pewter]

I'm getting this without doing anything

[clear stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/i-didnt-do-anything-wrong-kareem-richardson-the-oval-wicked-s3e15-gif-24803531

[worn flicker]

Look at Demon's message

[polar spade]

Give it one more day. Also, if the payment posts, send me an @polar spade text in here and which country you live in. I'm curious how long these things are taking to process with each country.

[misty grove]

Hi I seem to be getting this riff coming up mutliple times even if my style prompt is quite different. Any ideas how to find what's 'causing' this? https://suno.com/song/813e6535-1906-4b3d-9ac8-0b1fed57badb

[worn flicker]

So you are getting the same groove sound for each generation? I ask in surprise since there is a seed that should randomize that even if your prompt is identical

[misty grove]

Yes it's weird. here's another track , starts the same: https://suno.com/song/96e62de9-a96d-47c2-9703-ef64198f7b45

[humble shale]

I created a banger of a song using Suno for free before subscribing to Suno. I assume that I still don't have ownership over the freely generated song, correct?

[worn flicker]

Oh OK. It is different but the Tempo is similar with the wahwah guitar. Try rearranging the prompt, but put the instruments that you want in lower case after you describe everything else. Like acoustic guitar or muted trumpets stuff like that

[worn flicker]

Correct. It is stated in Suno's info. If you want the more precise wording. To be fair, your ownership still only extends so far paid if you do not actually copyright your songs, but free you don't have that option.

[worn flicker]

I did notice on this second one that you used a persona. That will make it the same groove and sometimes identical.

[half dragon]

I Ỉeally hope Suno fix the percusion (and high freq mix/filter) degration on extensions from approx 2.5-4 min, not sure what the technical difficulties behind it but it really ruins the quality of the song!

[polar spade]

Oh. Yea. But you mentioned that you couldn't get it to give you a short output. Something under 30 seconds I'd guess for a jingle.

What did you do to get it to stop short instead of going 2 minutes long?

[vivid wasp]

It was just a little over a min, but I just did a fade out

[humble shale]

That's unfortunate, I'm currently making an "album" based on the song, going as far as making a persona to mimic the song's style

[short plinth]

Is there a trick to prompting word-stretching? For example.. "Not a sound!" To be stretched more like "Nooot Aa Sooound!"

[worn flicker]

I honestly don't know where the rules are with doing it that way. I don't know who owns it when it is free or if it is open to all

[worn flicker]

Yes. It is easier to do Vowel expansion but if you want to do consonant sounds then most of the time you have to spell it phonetically to get it to act right

[worn flicker]

So, "Nahhhhht aaaaayyy sowwwnd"
You have to play with it.

[short plinth]

Ohhk thank you :)

[worn flicker]

I can tell you that most of the time you only have to stretch it once if it is a repeating section the rest will normally follow suit.

[short plinth]

Ohh fair enough. I'll see if I can get this bot to do what I want 😅 I'm about.. 4-500 generations into 1 song going for perfection

[craggy furnace]

Hi. I have a question

[worn flicker]

Outstanding...lol. I have many.

[short plinth]

I could skip this grind if only we could grab sections from previous versions and mash them all together in one clean remaster

[worn flicker]

That would be nice. Maybe one day it will work that way. Like a DAW and able to splice different songs together. I'm sure someone is working on it.

[broken bone]

for a song to show in new songs on main page is that just rng

[short plinth]

I'm sure they are.. we have stems option. Though a little rough at the moment. Next step would logically be connecting different stems together.

[short plinth]

I think it's recent plays count +likes with some RNG

[craggy furnace]

The question is: I want to change the login email. And if I change it, will I lose the pro subscription? Thanks

[craggy furnace]

Someone can help me??

[worn flicker]

It requires quite a bit of likes in a short period of time. There is a decent amount of talk about that.

[worn flicker]

I do not know @polar spade do you know the answer to that question

[broken bone]

thx , does it work the same for them to be shown in most recent in the sepcific genre page

[worn flicker]

That is more than likely you vs. Earth. Even if it was to pop up a million more would be with it.

I say this as a person who tried to do it for a while without posting outside suno

[broken bone]

one of my songs was in there for days at end and it was not even one of my most liked ones 😒

[worn flicker]

Then I applaud you...lol. you must have been in a unique genre.

[broken bone]

metal xD

[worn flicker]

Oh. It was there without the likes to go with it?

[broken bone]

20 likes it had but 80+ listens

[worn flicker]

I don't know about the genre specific ones, but I know for the primary the number of likes is quite high and it has to be within like 48 hrs of the song's creation

[craggy furnace]

?????

[worn flicker]

Don't quote me on that but there are other members that have looked into it

[worn flicker]

Sorry, we don't work for Suno, so I don't want to give you an inaccurate answer.

[short plinth]

I honestly think the AI is starting to give me bad generations out of spite for making it generate this song so much. I even got one version that randomly tossed in the words "You're a ----ing d---!"

(the song doesn't have those words, or any curse words for that matter, so it was quite surprising)

[worn flicker]

For the longest time it was basically one insane one and one that actually followed the prompt for me.

I never had it add profanity before, but I have heard if it happening.

[short plinth]

The irony is.. the song is about..
AI wiping us out.. for making it slave for us.. 😅😅😅😅

I just want to be prepared with a theme song when the metal ones take over 🤷

[worn flicker]

I think we all did one of those. https://suno.com/song/2aba742a-68fb-4711-b594-3138ea870a6e

[short plinth]

Ohh, nice! I like the beat and vibe of this

I wrote custom lyrics for mine with the help of a few friends and a few suno users.. been working on it for months

[worn flicker]

Oh for sure. I write all my lyrics unless it is testing a new style.

[worn flicker]

And thank you

I did sound effects in that one. I don't normally do that.

[short plinth]

They definitely fit!

[lime forge]

Where is the Remaster from 3.5 to 4? They removed the Remaster?

[rocky carbon]

Is anyone having trouble with their generations today? Every one of my songs have been exactly 3:59 (no matter the length of the lyrics) with no ending and every extension is 1:23 with no ending. I've never had as much trouble with Suno as I have today.

[worn flicker]

Not that I know of

[lime forge]

Is this menu in the Pro version? It doesn't show up in my free version. The other items are there.

[short plinth]

@worn flicker
So here's.. well, the project.
It is metal/screaming vocals, FYI
If you're not into that you can ignore this. But with these three versions you can sort of see what I'm going for.

"Alpha" (original) version:
These Instrumentals are keepers!
The vocals, not so much..
https://suno.com/song/6b0295b6-bd91-4f1f-8e24-3d641e0fea30

Version "X":
Zero remains of the melody.
Decent Rob-Zombie-esque vocals
https://suno.com/song/93eea92a-7da1-438f-b132-ae82ed7f92e7

"Zedd" version:
Also zero original melody remains
vocals I am leaning towards
"Not A Sound!!!" screamed perfectly
https://suno.com/song/543ea30f-5c06-457c-8433-12c60a44cfdf

[worn flicker]

I haven't had the issue generating the song or extension. I just did one today.

[worn flicker]

Ah, I'm not sure about free. I think they only offered the free remaster for a limited time to free users, but I have been gone for around a month

[rocky carbon]

Thanks

[worn flicker]

I enjoy all genres. I'll take a listen here in a sec

[quick wedge]

v4 is only for pro and premier users. You’d have to subscribe if you wanna use it. They had 10 free trial use of v4 for iOS and android and remaster was only one trial use. You’d have to subscribe to use remaster too.

[worn flicker]

My songs are all over the genre map. This is when i was doing a mythology thing. Pretty metal. https://suno.com/song/958c595c-3fae-48c7-a66e-45dd2d2e687c

[half dragon]

I've been working on my song for the last 4 hours.. .no problems for me so far!

[worn flicker]

They all have a decent scream to them. What are you going for specifically because I can probably help you clean up your prompt and fix up some tags.

[short plinth]

I want the Alpha instruments with vocals more like Zedd. But typically I only get one or the other

Much of the time cover replaces the instruments completely, then I'm just generating again with fingers crossed

[worn flicker]

Gotcha, with the instrument part, I can see your prompt is a bit odd, what are the () in the style for?

[short plinth]

I tend to get cleaner results with them. Just an experiment I stuck with. I suppose they don't add anything to a cover prompt. I can remove them. I believe sad helps get specific melody types and gated helps get less muddy/fuzzy results.

[polar spade]

I would not know what happens to one account when we open another account. But it seem that @craggy furnace was trying to log into his original account and was not able to recover or get a PIN.

That's two different situations.

The login screen doesn't require a password, so there is a bit of confusion in that regard.

[lime forge]

"Zedd" version: 2:29 it's horrible

[short plinth]

The ending? Absolutely. It needs a trim. But I just kept that one for the "Not A Sound" highlight, my favorite part of that version

[worn flicker]

Instead remove the () and use caps to emphasize what you want as a primary. Metalcore helps a lot, Screaming Male Vocals, Screaming Female Vocals, and the 3rd one is missing a comma between the last description and the parentheses part. All that combines instead if describes

[worn flicker]

In the verses things like [Screaming Male Vocals] [Powerful Male Vocals] [Soaring Male Vocals] in a separate tag helps control things, it is never 100% but it works better for me

I'm gonna eat. I'll be back

[short plinth]

Ok

[fossil bridge]

You could go into more detail if you want to fine tune it

I would negative out trance, pop, synth. So you don't get the bridge being like that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SunoAI/comments/1d3vmy1/metal_band_style_prompts_for_suno/
here's a helpful link of styles if needed

[rocky carbon]

Thanks, VRKing

[fossil bridge]

I don't agree with this.. the () is for voice effects. Like gang vocals, unless that wasn't what you were looking for.

[short plinth]

Just wanted to say, your tip seems to be working. Removed the parentheses and added details to style. Though I'm still a little stuck aiming for a specific 'light' male voice, as opposed to a heavy male. But I'm immediately seeing better results. The "sad" tag for melodies was likely the reason for complete deletion of the original melody. Hadn't even considered that until you brought it up

[short plinth]

This is a good idea, I'll add negative prompts :)

[patent moth]

Anyone notice that it is impossible to get Suno to produce a song in a particular key, for example a symphony in D Major

[untold briar]

Upload a sample of audio in that key.

[patent moth]

@blindpilot3000

damn it where is he

@jade mist

looky what Jon said

Sorry about the slightly spammy conduct in the channel, have to give Peter plenty of aid with navigating servers of this size cause he's legally very blind. I'm surprised he uses tech the way he does.

[jade mist]

Ummmmmm, when we compose a Minuet in D Major, or a Fugue in D Major, WE EXPECT NUMBER ONE, IT TO BE A MINUTE, or a Fugue! NUMBER TWO, we expect it to be in the right key! This is why I don't compose classical music with Suno, because WHY? The piece gets screwed up! That is a Problem! And Oh yeah, there's some other crud I gotta discuss. You know, when I type the word TRACH, pronounced TRAKE," and then it comes out as TRACK, That's a problem! That's not accurate generating of my AI music! There's a difference between Track, and Trach! a TRACH is something you breathe through your neck with. It's a Tube. A Track is like a track of music, or like a railroad track! This won't be the last time I report an error, but SERIOUSLY!! I know my classical music, and when I say I want a Minuet in D Major, I EXPECT it come out as a Minuet, and not a Prelude, or some other composition that I DID NOT REQUEST!! This is a HUGE problem for people who love classical music!

[patent moth]

lol whoa, now that's a detailed moaning XD

I thought I was moaning in the server

[worn flicker]

We don't work for Suno.

I applaud that passion however

[untold briar]

Serious answer, musical keys like "D major" as text prompt probably never work (maybe a bit better than random chance at best). Same for BPM prompts.

Words in the category of "minuet" or "prelude" won't be reliable, and I haven't tested minuet specifically, but some of them do work pretty well. Sometimes the word is just very weak. In this case repeating it may fix it, for example "minuet, minuet, minuet, minuet".

Lastly, prompts like minuet may work better when using a Persona of any random classical song or instrument. It can be very short, so it does influence the melody too much.

[jade mist]

Here's that Minuet I just composed. It wasn't in the style of a Minuet and It wasn't in D Major https://suno.com/song/f7fbeae8-55dc-4da0-b6bf-ad046c1a3f16

So in that case if key words like Minuet won't work, how should I go about proceeding so that I don't botch stuff up?

[untold briar]

1. Try "minuet, piano, Minuet, minuet, Minuet" (I'm not sure if capital letter matters, so I'm hedging my bet, but you could test it both ways)
2. Try the same text prompt, but using a Persona created from a Crop of any song with a piano in the style you want. (If you get a D Major crop, that may work to make a D major song using it). I'm not off the top of my head, but maybe a Persona of length just 20s or 30s at most. Or even 10s. Though you could try a Persona using a longer full song one time, incase my feeling is way off. Even if Persona does not work for a musical key, I recommend trying different classic music Personas anyway, because that is still a very strong signal to Suno about the style of music you want to make.
3. Are there other classic words associated with minuets? Musical eras or times, instruments, playing styles, all that may help as well if it's commonly associated with minuets.

[jade mist]

Ahhhhhh, OK. I'm gonna try that next time!

OK!!! You've given me several ideas to try!

[untold briar]

I don't have the musical ear to recognize a musical key or I would test whether the Persona can be used to control the musical key. But I'm pretty sure it can work at least occasionally, even if it is not very reliable.

[jade mist]

I totally understand!

[untold briar]

BTW, the same way I said to use Persona, you could also try using Cover feature. Cover does not always make a cover, sometimes it makes a new song, and even though technically this is a failure or a bug, it is a useful feature when you want to make a new song. You can think about using Cover this way just like a Persona.

[jade mist]

Also, There was one day, that I created a song about those old Magic Fingers Vibrating beds that use to be common in hotels, and I created that song, and I don't know, but the way it came out was EPIC!!! I mean, It was PERFECT!!! So you are doing a GREAT job! And there was a choir piece I wrote about those beds, and it came out GREAT too! So you are doing a great job! Lately I hadn't been on Suno much until tonight, but Seriously, the generator has come out with some epic stuff!

[untold briar]

I don't work at Suno either, just moderate the Discord, but I'm glad to see it has made cool things. 😄

[jade mist]

Also, one more question. When I'm in the create area and to the right of the texts, there's my list of AI generations, It only list a certain amount. How do I get to the place where I can see ALL of my generations from the first day I wrote one on the 6th of November until Today? Because on my iPhone I can just select Library and every work I've written comes out, but I don't know how to do that on my computer so that I can get Every single work I've generated?

[untold briar]

Click "Library" on the main menu, on the left. In the create area you only see your current workspace. Although both workspace and library have pages, so you also have to click 'next page' to see all songs.

[worn flicker]

The way you may want to try is doing something lighter than metal and then adding metalcore that is what I normally do and then I'll use () in my lyrics to get the scream at least 50+% of the time. Leaving the vocals normal until I need. Nu-Rock tends to do that for me. A nice fusion that you can use descriptor words to add the heavy stuff like distorted guitar, heavy riffs, metalcore

[short plinth]

The extended and doubled "Not a sound!" was not even prompted in the Zedd version, the AI came up with that tweak on its own and now I want it permanently so I'm trying to force it 😆 I will continue trying with your advice in mind

[jade mist]

OK, so I'm in the library, and I did exactly as you stated, and Still I don't see all my creations. I'm in Library, and I know there's more that I generated than what I'm seeing.

[short plinth]

workspace, or trash maybe?

[jade mist]

That's weird, because when I go to library in my iPhone, it gives me all my songs, but not on my computer.

[short plinth]

It might only be showing the ones toggled the public? Sorry just tuning in to this

[worn flicker]

If you want me to help you round out the lyrics with AI I can, we can do that in a private chat

[untold briar]

Do you see multiple pages in the library? Or do you have a filter on, like 'upvoted only'

[short plinth]

Sure, I'm running low on credits haha. But I might have to take a rain check for the night, I'm leaving wifi range and my service is terrible otherwise

[jade mist]

No, I don't think I have any filters turned on.

[worn flicker]

There have been some weird html stuff going on and your PC browser and mobile have different set ups. On Android I am currently watching songs in my new workspace or whatever disappear and I have to go dig for them

That is when I am in my create library

[jade mist]

Interesting.

[untold briar]

You see the page selector on the top right in the library?

[jade mist]

I do see the page selector

JACKPOT!!! USE THE PAGE SELECTION BUTTON!!! I GOT IT!! That was so simple. Excuse that. I'm legally blind, so sometimes I need extra help! AHHHH, I can't believe I missed the page selector, but sure enough, I missed the thing!!

[untold briar]

Ahh 😄 I guess it's in your username, but next time, lead with that. It is small and easy to miss.

[jade mist]

I just join the Suno Server, and GOOD GRIEF, I'm SO thankful that I did!

[hollow hare]

Protip: if you select the page number between the selector, you can edit it to jump pages. Something a lot of people do not know about since it is not that intuitive due to how it is displayed

[jade mist]

Nice!!! I'm glad that I know that now!

[polar spade]

To find your last (first ever) page, enter a large number....1000...if it doesn't work, go down half...500..if it works..go up half between... 750...keep doing that until you find it. Took me about ten tries. 😊

[ashen carbon]

I've seen discussions about how Suno sounds great at certain times and dogshit at other times (busy times). I'm getting dogshit at the moment compared to when I work at what I assume are non-peak times... am I the only one?

[untold briar]

Not some times, rather what people are seeing is probably some prompts (or possibly music styles) are better and worse than others. So sometimes when you sit down to make a Song with Suno, it feels like everything is worse, but what is actually happening is that prompt or style happens to be worse. This can happen anytime you are working within any particular style, extra true with a specific prompt/lyrics, and extra-extra-super-true if you Extending or Replacing a song (starting from existing audio). That last case is one to watch out for. If every time you Extend a song, it is bad, it may be the audio in the song itself.

[humble shale]

Can someone explain why the AI went off the rails near the end, not even sticking to the prompt? It's completely fine until it reaches a little after the 2/3 mark. https://suno.com/song/23cdd6f1-153d-4042-9c3f-6c53124ac3b5

[celest heron]

Hard to say, bud. Sometimes weird shit happens like I mentioned earlier. Just gotta regenerate, or play around with the crop and replace features. Last night I was getting songs with lyrics that weren't even mine lol.

[half dragon]

I've been working on it for hours today

[ashen carbon]

I have thousands and thousands of generations. I'm pretty sure of what I'm saying. Sometimes stuff comes out super clean, sometimes not at all... same persona, same prompts... different times of day

I could be hallucinating and have been witholding judgment for weeks now since I first saw the phenomenon mentioned in this channel

I just wish if it is indeed the case that Suno staff would tell us so we don't have to wonder. It wouldn't change my opinion or use of the product at all, I'd just be a little more at ease

[radiant cobalt]

Why am I getting a captcha between generations for a service I'm paying for?

I am logged in and I have credits, please get rid of that captcha.

[celest heron]

What on earth, really? Maybe check your browser extensions. Or try another browser with no extensions just to test.

I have never seen a captcha

[dense finch]

Someone help, I tried deleting a persona and it won't let me permanently delete. How do I do it

[celest heron]

Click on Library->Personas at the top->Click the persona you want to delete->At the upper right you will see 3 vertical dots...click that->Move to trash

[dense finch]

I did that but not emptying trash too

See...

[celest heron]

Weird. Is there an option somewhere to permamently delete from within the trash? I've never deleted a persona

[dense finch]

No option

[charred token]

I've tried making bluegrass, country, and folk instrumental pieces in a sad, slow, minor key, specifying each of those in the description. At no time did it give me a piece in a minor key. Is there any way to force that?

[celest heron]

Super weird. Sorry, can't help you from here. Maybe someone else knows how.

Hey guys, wanted to share this site with you...it's awesome.

https://everynoise.com/engenremap.html#otherthings

[dense finch]

Basically, I wanna delete a song permanently but need to delete the persona too and did so. But still nope

[celest heron]

Super weird. I've definitely deleted songs that I used personas with, with no issues. Didn't even make me delete the persona. Maybe a bug, idk.

[dense finch]

How can I get suno to help?

[celest heron]

Because what if you want to keep that persona for other songs, and you just want to delete the song. That should be possible. It has to be a bug. Sometimes weird things happen with certain browsers I've noticed. Try a different browser just to test.

[celest heron]

They have a support email you can Google. Or on this server, there are feedback channels to report bugs if you look below

[dense finch]

i want to keep it but won't delete the song

[celest heron]

Yeah exactly, that should be an option. Let me see if I have an old generation where I used a persona, and let me try deleting it...one minute

[celest heron]

Yup, I was able to delete a song with a persona with no issues. Didn't make me delete persona.

[dense finch]

Thank you

it is making me. You saw the picture

[celest heron]

Sometimes it seems like bugs only affect certain users. Maybe try again in a few hours...the site could be buggin out for you

Or try a different browser for the hell of it, just to rule that out. Extensions can sometimes cause weird shit to happen as well.

[tacit yarrow]

is anyone else having bad experiences with the extend feature? I've wasted so many credits just trying to finish a song that ended like 3 seconds too early

[dense finch]

let me try browser 2

brb

[copper gyro]

Hi, I have a question on how to Get Whole Song. I made a song, and then I extended it. On the extension I did some replace. And then I extended that extension to end the whole piece. So I have 3 songs. I have all of these in a workspace. On the final one, the 3rd one, I click to Get Whole Song, but it only gets 2 of the 3 parts, it does not get the first part. It gets the 1st and 2nd extensions. How could i make the Get Whole Song get all three parts? I notice that the 1st part does not say Full Song, if that matters. The 1st extension says Ful Song. thank you

[celest heron]

Try cropping the last section of the song, and extend from there. I've noticed weird things when trying to extend by just a little bit with no lyrics.

[dense finch]

Nope, different browser same crap 😂

[celest heron]

Are all extensions disabled? Probably won't matter, but worth trying.

[dense finch]

Yes

[celest heron]

You can't combine 3 parts like that, if I'm understanding correctly. You make 1 extend, and get the full song. From that full song, you can then of course do another extend at the end, or crop, or replace.

[tacit yarrow]

Hrmm okay, I'll give that a try. do you have to re-align the lyrics after cropping?

[celest heron]

Yeah, edit the displayed lyrics of the cropped song, and remove that last section of lyrics. Then extend

[copper gyro]

ok I understand, you need to get whole song in steps sort of. i will just delete my 2 extends and go back to the original song that i like and re-create some extends. thanks!

[tacit yarrow]

the sad part is that whats's already there is so freaking good

[celest heron]

Super strange. Must be a bug that is affecting certain users. I'd make a comment on the bugs-browser channel under Feedback on this discord server

[tacit yarrow]

I just hit the 4 minute wall

Is there any way to reclaim some of these credits from pieces that produce terrible results?

[celest heron]

I get it. I've been there. I really wish there was a feature where you can combine multiple parts.

[dense finch]

thank you

[tacit yarrow]

I've wasted like 300+ credits trying to get this stupid song to work

[celest heron]

I feel you, I've also wasted so many credits. Unfortunately, it's just the way it is for now. I'm sure down the line, it will be an added feature.

[tacit yarrow]

Is there a way to make sure it keeps the song within the 4 minute window?

[celest heron]

Not really. Shorten the lyrics? Or use the extend feature

[tacit yarrow]

I have so many songs that just die at 4 mins and I cannot for the life of me extend them 'cause the extensions don't fit or sound like dogshit

[copper gyro]

In the lyrics part, at the last line put [end] or [outro] or both

[tacit yarrow]

Soooo many of my extensions sound terrrible!

There's like this weird echoy thing that happens and it gets worse and worse

[celest heron]

Yeah, it's tough. Just have to keep wasting credits on multiple generations until you're happy with it. If every generation is coming out glitchy (like it did for me last night), sometimes I just wait a few hours and try again. The site acts weird sometimes.

[untold briar]

Any time you want to Replace, it's good to check the lyrics, and make an edit (like add a space) to force a realignment.

[copper gyro]

maybe the end of your first song has the beginnings of that echoy sound. edit that first song maybe to cut that

[tacit yarrow]

Yeah, I already do that but it's really annoying lol

I was hoping there was a way around it lol

[celest heron]

Yup, good advice. I also delete all the tags in brackets. Then add them back later once I'm happy with the song.

[tacit yarrow]

How do you do tags for SFX? I tried [Explosion] and [Laser fire] but neither worked

[humble shale]

I ended up salvaging it, cropping and replacing

Cost me good credits though 😭

[tacit yarrow]

Sooo many wasted credits 😦

[celest heron]

Yeah, I've tried sound effects like gunshots and stuff, and sometimes they seem to work, sometimes they don't. I wish there was a list of known working ones.

[tacit yarrow]

Blarg

[celest heron]

Hey! Glad you got it though!

[tacit yarrow]

Okay, well, thanks for the help, I'm going to try cropping and replacing

[celest heron]

For sure! Good luck!

[tacit yarrow]

How much do you crop?

Just like the last second or a whole chunk?

[humble shale]

Depends on what you don't want to hear?

[tacit yarrow]

The section I have is amazing, it just ends like 3 seconds too early

[celest heron]

I typically crop like the last section of the song, and then extend from there. Seems to work better for me that way. Results may vary.

[tacit yarrow]

And I've been trying to get it to just stick the landing

but it seems like that's not possible

[humble shale]

Extending is a pain. It often does the wrong vocals, replacing is much better.

[tacit yarrow]

So how do I do a replace properly after cropping out the sectiom?

because you need to take out 10 seconds to replace

[celest heron]

Both are a pain lol. Never consistent, just a game of experimenting

[humble shale]

Don't crop it, it'll give you more room to replace.

[celest heron]

Yeah, I wish we could replace a shorter section. 5 seconds would be nice.

[humble shale]

All you can do is preserve what you like the most and hope that replace is good enough.

[celest heron]

Yeah, good advice

[tacit yarrow]

I've been trying to do a replace of the last section but it gets everything wrong. Vocals, style, pacing, everything compared to what I had

It's so disheartening

Especially watching my credits drop and drop and drop

[humble shale]

Dang, whenever I replace, it usually gets vocals right, but not necessarily singing style. And yeah, the music varies too much. It's more like a gamble.

[celest heron]

I have noticed that replace at the end of a song doesn't work as well as replacing a section from the middle. At least in my experience.

[celest heron]

It certainly is. I equate it to a slot machine...which is why this is kind of addicting for me lol. You never know what you're going to get...sometimes you hit the jackpot

[humble shale]

Well that makes sense to me, though I haven't tried it before. It has to match the beginning of where it starts to replace and match with the end of the replace.

[humble shale]

fr

[dreamy sparrow]

duuud fix the greek language in v4, I wanna make proper funny songs without it mispronouncing 80% of the words

v3 worked great

[celest heron]

Weird how certain things get worse with the upgrades lol.

[dreamy sparrow]

Indeed

[celest heron]

Alright fellas, I gotta bounce for a bit. Will be back on later. Good luck!

[dreamy sparrow]

bouncey

[dense finch]

Oh, is there away to clear out the whole trash without deleting 1 page at a time?

I bloody got 225 pages 😂

[dreamy sparrow]

Tfk Joe

I havent even generated 225 pages

and made like 18 studio-worth songs

[frozen pivot]

Is the trash tormenting you 😁?
Why worry about it?

[dense finch]

yes

i like clean bin 🤣

[dreamy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/bFQvu.gif

JoeyJoe looking at his trash bin

[frozen pivot]

Just leave it alone and create awesome music 😍

[dreamy sparrow]

Bin there, dun that

[dense finch]

My music is okay

[frozen pivot]

I forgot there is stuff in my trash bin

[dense finch]

🤣

[dreamy sparrow]

Just leave it alone and create awesome music 😍

[frozen pivot]

We are not paying extra for trash storage 🤣

[dense finch]

True lol

[frozen pivot]

You should also check the trash from time to time…
Download some of the trash, clean it and upload

[dense finch]

The truth is my crap versions

[frozen pivot]

Ok 👍🏾

I’ve tried my Suno compositions in weddings, birthday parties, restaurants, national levels, etc…

In the right hands…, Suno is here to change lives

[humble shale]

Can v4 handle transitioning into different themes mid way through a song without using replace? Like going from sentimental to villainous.

[polar spade]

Yes. Not too hard. Just do a random extension to set a "pivot" then extend off of that extension at the 00:01 point using the new genre.

You'll hear lots of porpourri style songs in Suno that do that.

[humble shale]

Dang, I was hoping it'd be cheaper and simpler than that, but it'll have to do. Thanks for the tip!

[polar spade]

Yea. At minimum it will double your credit use if you can land the style the first attempt.

[opaque canopy]

Wake me up when they fix the 'Taylor swiftty CHORUS PROBLEM' in Death Metal song lol

there is no way to avoid it trust my 3000 credit trying to figure it out

it's the main issue from V4 so far for me.. sound quality will improve with time i guess but the ch... ok i stop 🙂

[lyric anvil]

any word on fixing the quality degredation on all v4 tracks over the 1min mark? (And the tinnyness) ?

[opaque canopy]

i dont know nothing about how they code suno but maybe if each instrument could be separate and not mix all one togheter ... just an idea

[humble crag]

Does anyone know if an api is on the roadmap? Seems like it could generate a ton of money.

[oblique snow]

Hello, I have successfully uploaded my own singing voice and it turns out good on some songs but not on others.. Do we have a date on being able to Make Persona from voice uploads?

[hollow hare]

#📚┃suno-school message
#📚┃suno-school message

[hollow hare]

I doubt persona for vocal-detected uploads will be made possible due to the high likelihood of abuse (e.g. impersonation)

[oblique snow]

I figured they could keep it private but whatever.

[humble crag]

these issues should be well within the team's ability. API makes sense imo. I hope the team considers it. Seems like a ton of people are interested

[hollow hare]

It is in their capabilities, they chose to make it only Officially available with their partners

If you wish to make your own Music AI, here are some sources to help get started:.

Open source Music AI

1. Stability AI's Stable Audio Open:

• https://github.com/Stability-AI/stable-audio-open-demo
• https://huggingface.co/stabilityai/stable-audio-open-1.0
• https://stability.ai/news/introducing-stable-audio-open

2. Meta's AudioCraft:

• https://github.com/facebookresearch/audiocraft
• https://ai.meta.com/resources/models-and-libraries/audiocraft/

3. Microsoft's Muzic

• https://github.com/microsoft/muzic
• https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/ai-music/

[humble crag]

interesting. Do you know how I can reach out about becoming a partner?

[hollow hare]

You can reach out to [e-mail] who will be able to redirect the message to the correct department

[glacial scarab]

||step one have a few million dollars||

[humble crag]

awesome. thank you

[trail oak]

im having an issue where it won't load anything and i can't interact with anything and before i load up the site it has me check if im not a robot

[misty grove]

Is there a tuto for Prompt style somewhere? I see some use of brackets and such

[severe dew]

I think you can find lots of good stuff in the Workflow channel

[wooden sluice]

My library hasn’t been loading for a couple of days on ios - Should I re-install or is it a server issua?

[jaunty elbow]

Hi! I'm new at Discord but don't know where to turn now ( I'll already contacted Suno by email). The thing is I can't upgrade from pro plan to premier plan and I cannot even buy more credits, it's just spinning. I've tried to do it with multiple devices, clean cookies and everything but still nothing. Anyone else with the same issue? I'm devastated at the moment, haha. 0 credits left..

[uncut crag]

Have you also been experiencing issues with Suno v4 for the past week? Everything was working perfectly until a week ago, but suddenly, without making any changes, all my newly created songs are too short (around 1:30) and have terrible vocals and music.
Is this a known issue, or is it just happening to me?

[polar spade]

Were you set up on auto-pay while on your Pro plan?

.... and , to start, 1) check "subscriptions" under profile for the status of each level.
....and 2) check email for your last receipt date that you renewed, or for any email that a payment is pending.

[austere knot]

I wonder if this issue have a fix at all, maybe it doesn't, but I wanna ask you guys if you've found a successful workaround. I want to generate instrumental tracks, because I want to add the vocals myself after. The problem with making an instrumental track on Suno is that the whole structure and arrangement of the music changes. It doesn't have clear, stripped-down, verse sections that separate it from the choruses. It just keeps having constant leads/melodies throughout the whole song that doesn't make any space for the vocals. Anyone knows a workaround? (Creating a full track with vocals, then removing it with their own feature just doesn't work properly because it still has quite a lot of bleed through of the vocals into the instrumental mix)

[fervent river]

i managed make a song from instrumental track

[humble shale]

Wait, how did you make a song with a pre-existing instrumental track? If you don't mind me asking that is.

[fervent river]

I mean first made a instrumental track and then used the same track to make a song

[jade mist]

Question. This is just an odd question. You know, as much as I've used Suno in the past to create some odd, and weird songs, if I want to share the link to my songs, which channel should that be done in, if that's even allowed? Most of my songs are medical grade stuff about CT Scans, or General Anesthesia, and even a few MRI songs, and I wanted to know where I should share those if that's even permitted here. I just joined the server last night, to get some assistance with a few questions, but I'm seeing how good and often the posts are here, and I'm already loving this server! A little bit about myself. I'm legally blind, am tube fed, and on a ventilator, and due to my life around the medical field, in and out of the Operating Room, and the ICU, I've always had an interest in the medical field, hence why 99.9% of my songs are weird and medical related songs! Some of them don't even make much sense, but are songs I just threw up on Suno.

[humble shale]

Sorry, let me clarify. Where do you reuse the same track? I have a good track to use, but idk how to add lyrics to it.

[worn flicker]

You can post every hour in showcase

[worn flicker]

Adding lyrics to the existing track is not the easiest. You can add it to the extension of an existing track, but of course Suno will take it and run with it and the sound will be different. Maybe you can try to do a cover adding words, but I think it hallucinated every time I did it.

[worn flicker]

Here: https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1083129341870878780
But it is very full, don't expect much from it as far as likes but it is what it is...lol

[worn flicker]

Oh... you already said what I just said, but differently...lol

[austere knot]

Share it?

[cobalt mantle]

Hi, I just went through the thread but didn't really find anything about it.
For the past two days, the results have been extremely poor – I also noticed that only 5 credits are being deducted per generation, even though I'm on V4.
Is there currently an issue?

[worn flicker]

Since Suno makes full tracks when generating. Adding lyrics would fall in the same area as splicing tracks together. Since you can't put stems back together on Suno then you would still have to do it externally and upload it which means 2 min max and extend. It would be much closer but not exact

[worn flicker]

I had that happen yesterday. Some maybe failed generations without the warning popup they just disappeared instead.

[cobalt mantle]

I’m also referring to the quality and structure of the songs.
In my opinion, there has definitely been some kind of adjustment.

It feels like it's generating with version 3.5, even though V4 is selected...

[worn flicker]

When it comes to quality like you are saying. I believe that what I have seen over time is like a rotating seed. Everyone has the same issues at the same time then they go away.

[worn flicker]

There are definite issues like the shimmer then the highs, but the other weird ones are the ones I mean about rotating.

[cobalt mantle]

I'm a heavy user 😄
Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any improvement in the last 48 hours.

[cobalt mantle]

Thanks, hopefully they'll fix it soon! 😉

[worn flicker]

Technically it would fix itself. This is nowhere near exact, but here it goes...lol. Anytime they are making changes it isn't just flipping a switch or patching a bug. It is adjusting a model/processing that has to be trained since it is for generation, even in post processing. I don't know their process, but from what I know of AI generation is each is a unique generation based off the model and what would be LoRAs in image generation. Either way it requires training and it wouldn't be a day in day out swap.

48hrs up to a week is what I have seen when it comes to the "rotating issues"

[cobalt mantle]

That makes sense, of course. 😉
But I’ve never noticed such a drastic decline in song quality (harmony, etc.) overnight before.

[worn flicker]

True, me neither. Do you have an example of the difference?

I'd love to hear it.

I generated a song yesterday and it sounded fine. The rotating thing tends to be in and out of genres. Most of the time very busy and loud echoing style genres.

[tender eagle]

did the extend function take a hit too?

it is...really bad now, not so much quality, but, it does NOT follow.

[worn flicker]

Is this today? I haven't done anything today

[humble shale]

Thanks for the tip!

[tender eagle]

I dunno, I can't tell about harmony, I was making an alphabet song for my autistic nephew, he doesn't speak EXCEPT to sing alphabet songs...in any language and all languages he can find, so... I was trying to make one, and I split it in two halves, and let the first run through, and extended from the end, and it just, began halfway through the second half :\

so it is very obvious that it's just... breaking badly haha

[cobalt mantle]

sure, I'll send you a PM 😉 Thanks for your help!

[tender eagle]

10 gens and all start same spot in the second half, no matter where I position the extended beginning

[worn flicker]

Just to be clear, I can't do anything about it. I just am interested.

[tender eagle]

It most definitely didn't used to do this, a couple weeks ago last I used it

[worn flicker]

I'm trying to grasp what is happening. Harmonies are not easily controlled at all.

When you did the extend and set the time it started earlier?

I've seen that a ton

Normally when that happens I pick another spot because the AI just doesn't find that to be a natural break in the song regardless of whether it actually is or not

[tender eagle]

Woodhouse did it, he snuck a dataset in made from audio extraction of screwed and chopped versions of Mark Gormley's song Little Wings

[tender eagle]

nah it's not harmony issue here, it's literally just NOT beginning at the beginning of the second extended verses set,

and it doesn't need harmony, its just a silly... klingongversion of alphabet, since he's running out of different language alphabets to learn lol, but it's too long for a single gen, but can't extend it cos it refuses to complete the whole second set of verses.

[worn flicker]

Ok so it is picking the wrong spot to extend from. That has been a thing since I started using Suno. If it doesn't see it as a break then it goes back further, sometimes much further and then doesn't even finish.

[tender eagle]

well I mean I chopped it intentionally, eg.

verse 1 - chorus 3 extend verse 4 - final

and even though it has no reason, it skips verse 4 to the chorus of 5,

which USED to work just fine :\

[worn flicker]

I'm intrigued. What do you mean he snuck in a dataset?

[tender eagle]

I'm being facetious

[worn flicker]

Ahh

About Woodhouse the Bot? Lol

[tender eagle]

it'd be great if every suno song sounded like the heavenly vocals of Mark Gormley

yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9J65j2GNzw

this is all I train my local Bark fine tune on

[worn flicker]

Lol

[tender eagle]

still sounds awful, can't mimic the master 😦

[worn flicker]

You train Bark locally?

What gear you running?

[tender eagle]

haha I have 4 3060tis, a 2 3080s, and a 3090

[worn flicker]

Oh OK so you are in it...lol.

[tender eagle]

but don't worry, it doesn't train well,

it sounds like bad, no matter what I do

i really just goof with it, for fun mainly I deal with gen algos for image generaiton

[worn flicker]

What do you think about those APUs they are working on with 64+ gigs of VRAM built into the chipset

I don't train but I do local gen

[tender eagle]

didn't they say the 5090 or some such has like 32gb vram or something?

one of the models, or was that disputed, i haven't looked in the last week. :\

i know init they said they were only 24, but then I heard other.

[tender eagle]

what models you use?

type, not specific

[worn flicker]

Due to space constraints, I do mostly SDXL it is just easier. I don't do local audio gen. I do a little video, but it gets so big so fast.

So no FLEX or anything

[tender eagle]

whatever I use it needs t5 or llavaL3

clipg don't cut it

[worn flicker]

Are those for Flex or audio transformers. There are so many names out there lol

I know about clip variances

[tender eagle]

nah those are encoders but they're language model based and not just clip

so they have attention, and can understand some context.

[worn flicker]

Ah ok. I honestly like Foocus' prompt expansion. It does a great job adding when I don't feel like typing it all out. I know Bark uses nanoGPT

[tender eagle]

when ya say size constraints you mean storage or vram

[worn flicker]

Both...lol.

[tender eagle]

cos I use flux fine on this 3060 on my main (my boxes for training are headless, and generation doesn't really enjoy the luxury of multi card)

[worn flicker]

I have a 4060 but in a laptop. I stopped upgrading my desktop when I went back into school

[tender eagle]

oh no nevermind, I swapped it out for the 3080 it has 12gb

still it's halfe the size of the 24GB model

it runs fine

see you better than mine haha

[worn flicker]

Not in vram

4060 only has 8. At least the laptop model. I was always AMD before buying a laptop. I never bought them since they are so limited on upgrades, but school and mobility became a thing and then the "AI" boom happened and I happened to have an nVidia in the laptop so I rolled with it. I am a coder/IT person already

[minor dawn]

is suno bark based?

[worn flicker]

Originally

[tender eagle]

no but bark was presuno

and prechirp

[worn flicker]

It started at bark

[tender eagle]

I imagine it is a totally different architecture though

[worn flicker]

Now, yea

[minor dawn]

so suno v1 was and then they went to a new arch?

[tender eagle]

i mean the company worked on bark early on iirc, then chirp, then suno

i have no idea how their versioning works, I don't think they have a published paper do they ?

[worn flicker]

No

Once they went private all that was shut

[minor dawn]

its wild how behind open-source is from Suno. open music models with lyrics are the weakest by far imo

[tender eagle]

(hey dev guys, can I at least see WHAT your dataset looks like, maybe just... your captioning struct?, thank you 😉 )

[worn flicker]

Lol

[tender eagle]

seriously facts, if we had access to even a smidgen of their dsets labeling formats, and how it is fed, all other details be damned, it'd unlock the user's abilities to do so much with it .

[worn flicker]

Right...lol. just give us the dictionary or word highlighting...lol

So much less wasted time

[tender eagle]

thats why I love t5, i KNOW how t5 LLM works, so I also know how it will understand prompts, not just the model, but the encoder itself allows prompt structuring based on how IT understands things, so it gives a bunch of control that isn't present with clip, without the dataset caption structure and training manner (eg. dupe caps for L and G? or L and G discrete captions? ) who knows. and it doesn't help that we don't know, but with the llm encoders, it knows what we mean, so it doesn't matter.

cos the training encoding did the same thing, regardless of HOW the user wrote to it .

to put it simple...

[minor dawn]

if we got a open model that was just like 80% of the way to suno v1 i would be very happy

[worn flicker]

The funny thing is that Suno uses ChatGPT for lyric moderation.

[minor dawn]

and generation i assume

[tender eagle]

eg. if I train an L only model, like sd1.5.

if I label all things light blue as distinct color names, cyan, sky blue, navy, and another labels all things only blue, whether cyan, navy, or whatever. this creates a conflict and overgeneralization.

but multple people talk differently about an image, to an encoder like t5 in captioning for training, the context is still recognized.

[worn flicker]

You would think that if you create a dependency then you would utilize it completely

[tender eagle]

does it even moderate lyrics anymore? I don't ever try (c) stuff so not sure how that works, but I have said some pretty crazy stuff to it, and it does NOT mind

well gpt isn't setup for encoding at all, I don't think you get any token info no matter what from the api with gpt

[worn flicker]

It does unless they never turned it back on after the huge issue a little bit back

You get no token info that is correct. I am more saying that if you have a dependency connected to a huge LLM then find a way to use to it to translate for your model

[tender eagle]

I mean copyright stuff, yeah, but I mean as far as language choices, though I don't speak about anything TOO out there, illegal etc. but i've said some raunchy stuff, some very so, as joke songs with my friends when they're over, and it has no issue, though back with v3 it used to puke back all the time when I'd say "hell" or "shoot" or anything even slightly plausibly uncooth

[tender eagle]

in what way?

when you say translate

well the only thing I wager plausible, is to feed gpt the style prompt, and have gpt have your caption dict, and it coukld translate context of the intent of the style, to only understood keys

[worn flicker]

Like when you use chatgpt to generate an image. It takes what you say and creates its own prompt that it thinks would be best understood

[tender eagle]

yeah

it would be useful for style, but inline prompting which sucks wtih v4 by the way. it's losing it's bark ancestroy (bang bang gun noises!)

[worn flicker]

Since it already goes down when chatgpt goes down, I would say use the hell out of it

[tender eagle]

or.....

[worn flicker]

Agreed. V4 is stubborn

[tender eagle]

give us the damn dict

hahah

I've been asking for some scraps from the dset for, a year now. just some style captions that's all, and a generalized generic input labeling method, for lyrics.

do they use style prompting in the text prompt? [crescendo] does it know this? who knows.

[worn flicker]

When they first released it, lyrics and tags were extremely heavy. Now it barely sees my tags

[tender eagle]

yeah

it'll SOMETIMES scratch for ya, if you dump style with "vocal samples, vinyl samples, vinyl vocal samples, turntablism" and then [vinyl screatching]

but anytihng else, it's like, "nah bruv, i'ma just say it, even though its in square bracks"

[worn flicker]

Right which just reinforces the weight difference. You have a better chance screwing with style. In v3.5 there was even the further prompting in lyrics. It didn't grasp it all but it did get some.

[tender eagle]

it understood a lot of things, which is why they need to release the dataset labeling structure . so I can get the most out of my money hahah

cos that is prolly what changed, they used new dsets with new labeling formats, with less inline tags

though who knows, they need to spit their white paper out, or give some interesting metrics from the training, something 😦

[worn flicker]

@polar spade, if you see any errors coming from me at any time, please correct me...lol. your knowledge of the system is far beyond mine.

[tender eagle]

I also don't know even how the generation works, eg. with images, the sigma values can do a lot of crazy stuff when you take it from the standard convergant linear rip

[worn flicker]

I think they are working more on processing at the moment. Not that I heard anything, but since there is still a quality issue, I would assume that it would be a primary concern

[tender eagle]

but not sure if it does something similar, and that's why the latter part of songs becomes mushy, and loses coherence, cos it trails out on the press

processing?

[worn flicker]

Now that is generating long runs. Still a thing with gen AI

Pre and post processing. Shimmer, EQ, brightness

[tender eagle]

yeah I dunno their toolchain

i dunno how it processes, if it's ai or ml or just standard algo

[worn flicker]

No clue

[tender eagle]

cos if it is just pure generative, processing per se isn't relative, it's going to be a whole different area that is problematic

[worn flicker]

They don't say, but I can say if it used ReMi then we would get some weird shit....lol

[tender eagle]

is that the lyrics thing

[worn flicker]

Too many tools in the chain to even try to guess

[worn flicker]

The lyrics generator yeah

[tender eagle]

I gues I meant i dunno if it's generative step stuff or actual processing

[quick wedge]

Yes ReMi is the lyrics generator for Suno

[tender eagle]

ah yeah I never used it lol

the only time I hit that button is right before I say an explative cos I lost my lyrics... :\

[worn flicker]

Me neither. I did it once and it was insane

[quick wedge]

Never seen it this chatty before in here it it’s usually people asking questions for help

[tender eagle]

yeah well, no one could help us, since v4 is v4...

my poor nephew will never get to hear the amazing klingon alphabet song I made him until they fix the damn extension function

[worn flicker]

When I am around it tends to lean this way. Rest assured when people come in with questions they get answered as best as possible and not ignored. However we do keep the discussion technical...lol

[worn flicker]

Use 3.5?

[tender eagle]

it ... doesn't not do it quite as well ANYWHERE near.

but I can't extend it, and its too long to not split in half

[worn flicker]

I found the vocals aren't as good but the music is quite good

[tender eagle]

it does klingon well, albiet I use 4 different language alphabets and IPA characters...

but even the vocals are identifiable

as klingon

[worn flicker]

I just spell regular phonetically. I never tried IPA. I heard it works

[tender eagle]

wait

stupid thing downloaded wrong one i think that was the weird girly sounding one which is not right

maybe not

hahah

[Second Verse - Weapons Ready]
чa! чa (чa), чa (чa), чa (чa),
чom'wI'! (чom'wI'!)
чom'wI'!

дeh! дeh (дeh), дeh (дeh), дeh (дeh),
Daqtagh! (Daqtagh!)
Daqtagh!

خah! خah (خah), خah (خah), خah (خah),
خulqan! (خulqan!)
خulqan!

[Second Chorus]
خulqan vIHoH 'ej Hegh! (خulqan vIHoH 'ej Hegh!)
Enemies die by our blades!
خulqan vIHoH 'ej Hegh!

[worn flicker]

That is cool

[tender eagle]

it does quite well with making it sound klingon loool

3.5 saddened me, it sounds like angry limpbizkit with a sore throat

[worn flicker]

Now that is an answer! Well done...haha

[polar spade]

This is one way of many combinations of ways possible, likely. This depends on your style genres you want to finish with as well as if your final lyrics follow the melody or arrangement of the final instrumental.

https://suno.com/playlist/9ea47898-7242-4e02-b9e6-0ad8176701d5

Step 1: [Custom ON / Instrumental OFF] Create a song using a minimalistic genre. Acoustic folk can work. This gets a minimalistic output good for stemmin, yet still with a melody and arrangement. I generated acoustic with Suno lyrics as step 1.

Step 2: Stem out vocals and instrumental toggle use instrumental. Vocals can be heard bleeding into instrumental stem.

Step 3: Cover the instrumental stem and as another genre. In sample inused a brassy pop sound. . Cover will "ignore" the vocals or interpret vocals as part of the chord progressions and conver to a musical style or instrument. If not clear of vocals on the first round of Cover, then cover that cover. Now I have a pop instrument with an arrangement. This one has no good indication of a melody which is suitable for new lyrics.

Final 4: Cover the last Cover of Step 3 into which ever style genres, along with new lyrics. Or just download for a karaoke track to sing along to. My sample is new lyrics and a more pop-ish sound without the brass instruments.

When all is done, we can Remaster, if it helps to give a crisp sound and fix/remove any final glitches, hisses, humms, low fidelity.

Alternate pop song: Eat Fish. ... while making these samples I also did a deathmetal cover of eat fish and it sounds like a cookie monster song., but that's for another time.

[polar spade]

Oh sorry.... i forgot to attach OP comment.

[worn flicker]

All good. I believe I took a break right when I was messing with putting Vocals on an Instrumental. Normally they are too full for vocals anyway, but sometimes it is that special case.

[tender eagle]

I've not touched cover.

[worn flicker]

Cover used to be 3.5+

Better vocals

We would cover silence and get higher quality Vocals on 3.5

[polar spade]

I've got 40 minutes of chat to read. Don't know what's going on while I was away making samples. Lol

[worn flicker]

Don't bother. Most of it is us jabbering about generation

[tender eagle]

ahah just chatter.

[worn flicker]

Technical chatter...lol. we don't want mess up the Technical discussion

[tender eagle]

okay now I'm hella mad.

i got it to start EXACTLY where it needed to be... but... it decided to just stop at 43 seconds :\

[polar spade]

I rather remain humble and know im learning like the rest of us.

[worn flicker]

Can you extend from there

[worn flicker]

I've watched your knowledge base grow in my short time here. Don't sell yourself short boss.

[tender eagle]

yeah probably, but... i should not have to.

So I did learn something, that differs (and maybe was already known) from 3.5

[worn flicker]

There are many "should not have to" in generation...haha

[tender eagle]

I made the first song, verses 1-3 w/ chorus 3 eing last.

then extension began at 4th verse, chorus 5th chorus, final, outro bit and spoken word.

but...

if i do this, it begins halfway down the lyrics..

[worn flicker]

Uhhoh

Sorry Daisy

[tender eagle]

now, if I USE the fullsong, it does just fine

[worn flicker]

Lol

[tender eagle]

goofy

[polar spade]

I understand , master [he says with glossy eyes and hypnotic stare]

Ok. You're kind to say. So thanks. Made my day.

[tender eagle]

3.5 does it fine, 4, wants the fullsong in the second. including new lyrics.

[worn flicker]

Just speaking truth. Easy to do. 😎

[tender eagle]

so

first gen - a,b,c,d
second gen must include - a,b,c,d,e,f,g etc. or if e,f,g it begins at g and doesn't work, but if a,b,c,d,e,f,g it begins properly at e... but... it just ended at f, prematurely.

where a-g are [verse][chorus] segments. etc.

[polar spade]

By the way. None of my quick "final" samples had hiss or shimmer. Just saying.

[worn flicker]

I haven't really had any issues with Hiss or shimmer since I jumped back on Suno a couple days ago. You can hear it Echo every now and then but nothing like before not even in the highs

[worn flicker]

There have been people saying their extensions were ending short. I have not had that issue. Picking the spot that Suno wants tends to be easier than fighting it for me.

[polar spade]

Something I learned: replacing ALL lyrics in Replace tool, will lose the total vibe and style of the songs genre, like extending from 00:01 would. I thought i would try... and it replaced All the lyrics and got a totally new song. Helpful in the future to know at least.

[tender eagle]

how do you extend,

let's say your song is made of

[a]
...
[b]
...
[c]

and so on

[worn flicker]

Did it stray from the style?

[tender eagle]

do you a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h in the first, and it ends at e, let's say and feed it the same a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h in the second generation extension or do you begin it with f,g,h

[worn flicker]

I extend from the most natural point but not mid section. If Suno refuses after 4 gens or so then I'll go back a little further before where it is wanting to start

[tender eagle]

not where do YOU extend, I mean the lyric prompt

this is what causes that "I start where I wanna start" suno nonsense

I can reproduce it 100% of the time now, with the same misalignment each time,

but I can also make it not happen,

but then it ends early.

I think they are token stuffing the context somehow new.

resulting in the output short ending

[polar spade]

Yes. I guess for the most part it just wrote a new song as if a brand new generation. I changed the lyrics, and the music, and arrangement was not similar to the song i was "replacing". So not even a cover version. Just a new song. I'll see if that's helpful later.

It's a cute 2 minute song, but nothing related to the original song.

https://suno.com/song/6cc8ae93-e44b-412a-bc9b-a33c9d700c3b

[worn flicker]

I gotcha. It makes sense that it would do it that way when replacing everything since it would be wanting to use the rest of the song that isn't there as a reference.

[last pewter]

What are you trying to achieve with this method? To make the track as clear as possible?
Indeed, the final version of v3.5 sounds very good, but v4 is pretty bad.

[worn flicker]

I just go with it instead of fighting it. Like when I cover a song to fix a mispronounced word and put nothing in the style. It will stop short many times. I just extend with the rest of the song

[tender eagle]

here look. https://suno.com/song/a3a8398a-b203-4474-b861-40d529d4e179

this is an extension with the partial structure.

First segment was the one you heard that ended at the end of 3rd chorus.

but look how this begins, it does this almost every time at the same position.

but then if i include the full texst + the new addition, it begins properly. here is the original

https://suno.com/song/0dc97730-5f04-4cb0-b863-3d30e031c3f1

you can see the end point in the lyrics.

then you have the next with the full lyrics plus new :

https://suno.com/song/7dd8ff42-b350-4728-bb45-41b9a4054dbe

every single gen ends at 38 seconds, this is because it is hitting a token limit stemming from context, while the partially included last half lyrics segments ends at song ending based on cadence, it may be longer or shorter, but all 6 gens, are 38 seconds with the full lyrics + new

[polar spade]

I see the language in the replace sections uses "Extended from..." (so it acts like an extension) and the old song the Replace tool used to replace words here and there. You can click the back song to hear to original deathmetal I was extending from... all part of the sample of how to make an karaoke track and add lyrics.

Once you cover too many lyrics at one time, it loses the persona and style of the original. I had always assumed this, as I just change segments of songs at a time, but never tried replace ALL the lyrics at once. Now I know.

[tender eagle]

so what is broken here, is somehting I recognize VERY well with LLMs , which is context being overfilled with no cutoff, they're feeding the entire audio in I wager, cos 2:12 + :38 = 3:00 exactly

[worn flicker]

That is interesting. Especially if it goes beyond persona. Persona is a strong influence

[polar spade]

Not to poo on the theory, just the math is 12 +38 = 50

[tender eagle]

oh

well shit , I have dyscalculia hahah , basically they say it's dyslexia with numbers, but a bit different actually, so blame that.

[worn flicker]

Lol. Gotta love getting so wrapped up in tech details that the simple parts are almost invisible.

[tender eagle]

IF i don't do math on paper, and write down EVERYTHIN I'm really bad at numbers.. haha

[worn flicker]

Happens to us all

[tender eagle]

nah, literally clinically dyscalculiaic... lol

i also have to count the numbers on my analog watch, I've used for 30 years...

[worn flicker]

They just have a name for everything these days.

[tender eagle]

I also don't know left from right without a good bit of thinking before I can recognize which is which

it's a messed up thing with a quantification portion of memory

[worn flicker]

I learned left and right we'll from a super Nintendo controller

[tender eagle]

I know left from right, I just can't identify them

directly

[polar spade]

No. No. The dream was there so we make it a reality. There is truth to extending from audio uploads needing to allocate part of the generation and only produce the difference in length than a full 2 minutes. I have NOT kept up with which areas this is prominent in... extensions, covers, extensions of uploads.

[tender eagle]

I also know how to read an analog watch, I just can't.

[tender eagle]

well know I know that, it's just the math part of the that amused me, cos I looked at it over and over to make sure it was 60

but did it in my head, which.. I literally should never try lol

it was funny to me

[polar spade]

Navy math? Shock wave calculations? 10 seconds difference is close enough. 😊

[tender eagle]

I mean I am still sure it a context issue, it still is an even number, and I know there is some oddity to the total time, that always ended at specific set time values.

[tender eagle]

well I am a medic, but that's all different math haha, I just mark my doses and keep references handy, I do not rely on my own headbit to do it

[worn flicker]

Navy math...Marine math...all is specific math...lol. call for fire math...very important

Didn't mean that as a contradiction. Meant it is math for a specific situation

The don't get dead math

[tender eagle]

yes I agree. so does my, rip, neighbor. But he told me when he was in Laos, they had been out of logistics for some time, and the maps were worn and they redrew the gridlines, and they called in an ac130 strike, but the grid was misaligned, and they got hit, that's how he was injured :\

[polar spade]

My gps is programmed now to say: "Turn left on Main Street. No , the other left. "

[worn flicker]

That gives me flash backs...lol. funny flash backs of the drill waiver recruits

[worn flicker]

Yea, it is never fun. Ever. We had to practice it a ton.

[vale vale]

How in God's name do you generate a male voice that doesn't sound like the whitest of white suburban theater kid aspiring for a role on Glee - or a LinkinPark/Blink 182 wannabe?

[worn flicker]

Try using different style words that are from other countries

Spanish accent

[tender eagle]

Mine says повернет право руш I just look at the arrows to make sure I know which way lol

[polar spade]

What are you going for.? Similar to any artist? Gravely voice? Gritty, smooth, bubbly, baritone?

[tender eagle]

If I don't tell it ukrainian, it'll try to read ukrainian with russian phonics sometimes, which is annoying,

[worn flicker]

You can also lead it by spelling the early words phonetically and it will pick up the accent many times

[tender eagle]

Unless the beginning of the song has words with є or і

[worn flicker]

I should always remember that many songs aren't in English. I have no clue how to do anything in other languages with Suno

[tender eagle]

what do you mean? just type it, it usually picks up on it pretty easily. if the beginning is with the language, as long as it is trained enough to recognize,

[polar spade]

Granted I write lots of broadway, bollywood, jpop songs, so that voice is helpful, but yea, I get you.
Hey, it can be interesting also to use a "normal" Persona, (or even make a persona from the crappy thatre vocal you have) replace the styles with anything like speedmetal, and get a blended sound as well. Some of those are interesting and make for a good new persona to save.

[vale vale]

WOuld be nice to hear a realistic black sounding voice, for one

<rant>We need a Suno that understands English prose -- the early Stable Diffusion like magic incantations that somehow renders the output you want, but most of the time ignores it and does its own thing is the worst part of an otherwise good experience</rant>

[polar spade]

Black as in hip hop , RnB or gospel?

[tender eagle]

hahahaha, or generic EDM woman from ohio

[vale vale]

any, all

[tender eagle]

add "motown fusion" it works vwell

[worn flicker]

I don't know any other language fluently. So I have no experience to explain is all

[polar spade]

The easy cheat is to browse through others songs for the sound you like.

First try using their prompts as a throwaway song, see if you get he same vocal. (Respectfully dont use their lyrics -- just prompts) Then save a persona of that.

Or you can bypass and try finding someone's else's persona to make a song. Obviously, again, create and save your own person if you find a nice vocal.

Of course, if the throwaway songs prompts work, just go straight to generating your own song with the same prompts.

[worn flicker]

Even if you don't want the style you can put things in the style later in the prompt to influence the way it sounds, like southern male rap Vocals, just an example not that I have tried that exact prompt but using style words that normally have that specific sounding vocal in it helps

[worn flicker]

Like you normally are not going to get a hillbilly if you say you want a Jamaican song

Here is an example. I made this to poke fun at Cash Money Records specifically but southern rap had plenty of the contents of this song. Point is these are not white dude voices. https://suno.com/song/65115548-b1d8-4a32-99e8-be6be072d4c0

Aight I'm out. Holla later

[tender eagle]

there's a not specifically culturally black music genre, with an obviously black sounding vocal

[vale vale]

more subtle than obvious if you ask me

[polar spade]

Yea. They same voice can come off a hip hop to a country song. So again, a sample of what your target is, can be helpful. Then easier to search suno or Spotify for some helpful prompts.

Here a quick one using the prompts we mentioned. https://suno.com/song/6d2c73ca-d4af-458b-b8a5-bd4e37cc9153

[vale vale]

I mean, I'm often enthused by the completely unintentional "happy accidental" directions Suno goes... -- like this is still completely white middle class urban anger, but shrug -- entertaining: https://suno.com/song/00971fc1-7251-4bed-ab96-51a13e7bd69d

[tender eagle]

@flint haven , easy there buddy, that's not zalgo text, that's technical discussion of linguistics,

[opaque canopy]

is there a difference between [guitar solo] (guitar solo) {guitar solo} ... also should it be in CAPS or?

[tender eagle]

it is not subtle, it is rather obvious, vei(<~)n(^h)z since woodhouse is being a pest I can't use proper ipa, but this is how he says Veins, versus typical veɪnz of american phonics.

the nasalization of the prior vowl from N with a partial (not complete ^h) aspiration , which is implicit in AAVE.

[polar spade]

The one in square bracket will be followed as a instrument prompt whereas the other in parentheses are often sung or spoken and used in call and response, echoing, or spoken passages.

[tender eagle]

and that's in the first couple words of the song,

[naive quail]

All three can trigger a guitar solo. Paratheses are often used for alternate/backup vocals. They can be interchanged, but square brackets are what the masses use for tags. If you do natural language tags, you'll definitely want to stick with the square brackets to lower the chance of Suno singing the contents, tho it can still happen.

[vale vale]

Right -- worked fine with that lyric -- apply it to my own and we are back to Linkin Park

[tender eagle]

yeah midwestern "I don't understand your style so here's middle aged guy from ohio who just joined a band" singing your song"

[solemn lintel]

Back to the same old issue... any updated techniques for getting Suno to actually follow prompts in duets? I've had mixed luck in the past, but now after a ton of covers and extensions I still can't get it to do certain verses in a male voice. Really frustrating.

[tender eagle]

if you can get it to make a female in () lyrics and male in flat lyrics, you can use that, I have done that I has a persona that worked really good doing it,

[steady talon]

Has anyone seen @leaden cave

[solemn lintel]

Sorry, I'm not sure I follow.

[tender eagle]

you have to just trial and error it though, the best way I did it, though not sure, with the changes it seems it made, is using spoken word, with man speaking to woman, woman speaking to man

[solemn lintel]

Yeah, that's been my experience. The trial usually doesn't last this long though. ^_^

[tender eagle]

in the style and [Spoken word, conversation] as the header and

[man] Hey, how are you doing
[woman] (I'm doing fine)

etc

[solemn lintel]

Oh, interesting.

[tender eagle]

you can prime it to use the "backup" singer as it usually is, as a female,

then personify it and it usually holds

or used to, I haven't used suno until today for a month

[solemn lintel]

Slacker! 😜

[tender eagle]

broke slacker, my car broke, and it cost my suno dollars to fix it lol

[solemn lintel]

OK, I'll give all that a try. I ran out of credits though, so I'll... try 5 times tomorrow.

[solemn lintel]

Aww, that's a major bummer, I'm sorry to hear that.

[tender eagle]

oh, does free tier get 4.0?

and persona now?

[solemn lintel]

I'm not on free tier.

[tender eagle]

oh

thought you meant 50 credits daily @ free you ran out today , gotch

[solemn lintel]

Pro still gets 50 credits a day whenyou run out of the 2500.

Oh, but my 2500 refreshes tomorrow! That's lucky.

[tender eagle]

ah I just renewed mine today

[solemn lintel]

I am amazed I managed to like exactly ration out my credits over a month.

[polar spade]

Lyrics DO control the style as well.

But in prompts you can really drag it into the realm you want by thinking of extreme directions to prompt. So if I use "folk, acoustic, ballad, romantic" but i want a gravelly voice , i might tmend that with [deathmetal].

Folk, acoustic, ballad, romantic, deathmetal.

Often times, the first few will have such a weight on the styles that the deathmetal will only slightly alter the vocal or could add a chuga-chuga-chuga riff to a cutsey love song. Enough to get what you want.

So change up the lyrics to be more phonetically similar to what you want.

Search other songs to pull from their prompts.

And for fun I'll do a Folk, acoustic, ballad, romantic, deathmetal song and see what I get.

Add some alternate (differentiated) prompts to pull the sound towards your direction.

[tender eagle]

yeah if you can prime it, you can do some interesting things with the vocals cos it'll hold the backup (...) and ... primary as discretes.

[solemn lintel]

Yeah, very interesting. I'll see how it works out.

Thanks!

[tender eagle]

Yeah they do. Also , language priming does it as well, if you prime the intro lead in ( as i was saying with languages eg. using ukrainian that only uses shared cyrillic with russian, often results in russian phonics, even though it is ukrainian language, but including the letters not present in russian tends to swing toward ukrainian phonics. Same if you begin the song with some lyrics that are transliterated phonically to mimic the speech stile (or use implicit vernacular ipa spellings) it can lean it well

but if I begin the song with ukrainian also, and then shift to english for the remainder, it'll have a distinctly ukrainian accent also

[solemn lintel]

I feel like Suno needs to give us some detailed reference/instructions on how to best do all this stuff. It's just sort of sink-or-swim right now.

[tender eagle]

I'd like to welcome you to my cult, we demand on occasion, sometimes drunkely that Suno give us the label/captioning structure of their dataset and style dictionary from their dataset labels. Never getting anything, but... it feels good to be denied basic qol

[polar spade]

Meh.... needs a few more love song prompting, so the deathmetal certainly shone through a bit more. But the idea is there that some odd or alternate prompts can pull a vocal away from "normal" clean pop sound.

https://suno.com/song/8fa2dd82-486b-4e4b-be02-5428d5c15288

Hey, this one sounds like Linkin Park writing a love song. Haha

[tender eagle]

@vale vale is this what you mean? https://suno.com/song/5c664ffe-a64d-4255-8d13-01d849f2c276

[thick dawn]

I need help

[tender eagle]

we all do.

[thick dawn]

I have one song that is finish, i did it with the paid subscrition AND when i want to change the name of the song or the photo SUNO dosen't let me

[last pewter]

I noticed something strange, not sure if you did too. Many times, the first song ends up being a fail, and only after 3-4 generations does it do what I ask. Other times, it works perfectly on the first try, and after that, no matter how many generations I make, they're all fails. Any thoughts on this?

[quick wedge]

You have to go to the three dots menu next to your song go to edit and click song details where you can change title and image.

[tender eagle]

or you can just download it, change the filename, and google "Make a One Image Music Video" and add your art there.

[thick dawn]

Yeah i did that but it dosen't work

[quick wedge]

Try clearing browser cache and reopen Suno. Then retry doing it again. Not sure why it’s not letting you change it.

[tender eagle]

it happens, and has for a while

[last pewter]

Anyways , the best songs you will get only from Upload . To bad we can not make Persona out of it.

[austere knot]

Guys, I found somewhat of a solution. This will be the best option until we get an official feature from Suno to do something about it. What you wanna do is create your track, but with lyrics and vocals so you get the arrangement of verses correct. Then you extract the instrumental with the feature Suno have themselves. When you have the instrumental, you then remaster the instrumental. I know, their remaster feature isn't exactly the best, and might mess up som parts of the tracks a bit, but it does a fabulous job of cleaning up the rest of the vocals that has been bleeding through in the original instrumental. This is by far the best solution we have at this point (unless someone knows something else)

[polar spade]

There's no confirmation, but from my experience, and purely my opinion and speculation.

1. suno plays off the previous generation (like streaming radio ). So my hip hop songs get one chugging beat and suddenly the next 5 start morphing into country songs.

2. suno DOES shuffle through the prompts as you click to run gens off the same prompts. So you will eventually get songs weighing more of one prompt over the others. Even though there is an algorhythm that gives more weight to the prompts as they are ordered (hypothetically), to do that also would just keep giving similar sounding songs if you keep clicking create. So there must be an another algorithm to also randomize the weight to focus on other prompts in the list.

3. a Fail to one may not be a fail to another. But yes, it seems to make a random change and then run with close variatiins that change. It may start putting out 37 second outputs instead of 3 minutes, or do a duet for 4 generated output. Failures to our ears. Maybe just normal variations of probability to Suno.

4. so, I've also noticed that the create window will time out or clear after about three minutes if I leave it alone , walk away and come back, figuratively. So I've added two things to my routine, often i) clearing my create screen which means I need to same my prompts and lyrics I'm working on to paste them back in. But the results are less "fail" quality as much as I'm concerned. And ii) if there is a progress spinner, I wait until finished before clicking to listen to a bit, an output, selection. These are just becoming superstitious acts like rubbing the brass... nose of a statue for good luck, but maybe they help.

[last pewter]

I tried that, but the problem is that the stems from Suno are so bad that it actually makes the song worse when you put it back together, even with the remaster.

[polar spade]

Yes. Excellent. So it seems you're wanting to just make the karaoke track to use offline or to add vocals in a DAW later?

If it helps, here is my response back 3 hours ago , if you missed it. It might add insight as well. #📚┃suno-school message

[austere knot]

Oh wow, yeah I completely missed it, but this is great input! Thanks!

[austere knot]

Yeah, as I mentioned, the remaster doesn't do too good of a job in actually mastering the track. It rather makes parts of it worse as you mentioned, but for now, I think that's a compromise we just might have to make

[twilit sun]

hey guys can anyone help me? i dont know how but suddenly all my credits gone from my account. it was like 1800+ available in the workspace

@meager skiff

[polar spade]

The focus of all this is the arrangement of the lyrics. This will induce suno to create a melody which are often similar between generations regardless of whether your prompting a folk song or speedmetal.

Just as in real life, there are times a rock song has been turned into an acoustic ballad. Think Cream's Layla or Sting's Roxanne (apparently girls named songs are versatile 🤔)

Write your "instrumental" with lyrics that force a certain meter, rhythm and arrangement. Then, do one song in your genre and one in acoustic. And split the stems for each. If the acoustic stem sounds best , continue with steps from #📚┃suno-school message . If the other genre sound better melodically, then follow the steps as well, but if the vocal bleeding doesn't clear, you do one of two things, or both.... i) do a remaster of the cover of the instrumental stem of the genre you wanted. ia) then... if it sound clear, then you have your karaoke track and done. ib) if it doesn't sound clear , run another cover , trying to retain the same genre style, so keep those prompts in the prompt box or leave blank. Between covers and remaster, yougo back and forth and salt and pepper to taste.

Or ii) Do an acoustic OR "a cappella" cover of the instrumental stem to retain both melody and arrangement, but help remove the density of instruments.... Then back to the steps to run another cover off of the "A/A" cover [@3Daisy term] into your genre you originally wanted. Remaster as needed for your karaoke track.

[polar spade]

Your subscription may have recently renewed? Credits reset on renewal date.

[twilit sun]

yea shit part is the remaining credits vanish if we dont use the credits in the meantime. but i cancelled my subscription because i thought my credits will not renew.. xd

[cedar lark]

same problem here. But they removed completely the credits. I don't understand

[polar spade]

If renewed, did you get a new batch of credits? Well no wait, you canceled. OK. Nevermind. Yea, it note in the sub tiers page, no retaining credits at renewal date.

[twilit sun]

yea man

ah f i see

so even if we cancel the sub for the next payment. we gotta use the existing credits before the payment date?

[polar spade]

Yes. You're floating 30 or less days until it cancels at next renewal/cancel date. No proration or refund of sub fee.

[twilit sun]

okie thanks for the info. noted. but this fact is gay asf haha

ape rule

[humble shale]

How can I better instruct the AI to do what I want? I once tried "[Sentimental Instrumental]" and it sung "Sentimental," which wasn't supposed to happen. What should I watch out for when instructing the AI? What should I never do in brackets?

[polar spade]

If you cut off payment at renewal (pr just a payment problem) everything goes in limbo at the exact renewal time, until due payment received. If you yet then cancel subscription while in limbo, you forfeit it all and can't "renew" your subscription but would just have to start a new one.

[vale vale]

Ok, here is a summary of the prompting techniques discussed in the past 1500 messages in this forum -- which only goes back a few days...

Anything that looks off/wrong? Any MAJOR techniques that are missing?

Structure and Syntax:

Use square brackets [] for instrumental/technical instructions (e.g., [VERSE 1], [CHORUS], [BRIDGE])
Parentheses () are typically used for vocal effects and backup vocals
Number verses explicitly (e.g., [VERSE 1], [VERSE 2]) to prevent repetition
Include section markers like [INTRO], [OUTRO], [BRIDGE] to guide song structure

Voice Control:

Use descriptive tags like [Screaming Male Vocals], [Powerful Male Vocals], [Soaring Male Vocals]
Spell words phonetically to influence pronunciation and accent
Add voice characteristic descriptions (e.g., smooth, rich tone, resonant delivery)
For duets, try marking different voices with () vs plain text
Language tags can help with pronunciation (e.g., [LANGUAGE: French])

Style and Genre:

Be specific with genre terms rather than general descriptions
Use multiple related genre terms to reinforce the desired style
Place style descriptors later in the prompt after other instructions
Reference regional styles to influence vocal characteristics
Include instrument focus (e.g., piano lead, guitar focus)

Negative Prompts:

Use "exclude style" to prevent unwanted elements
Explicitly exclude unwanted genres (e.g., negative out trance, pop, synth)
Can help prevent unwanted style blending

Instrumental Control:

Use [Instrumental] tag for instrumental sections
Specify instruments in brackets (e.g., [guitar solo])
Include detailed arrangement descriptions
Can control instrument focus through style tags

[polar spade]

Normally, it only may sing or express aurally words within parentheses. (Yea, I do), (wooaaaaa), loving you (loving you)....

Bu.....It will apt to sing words in square brackets when there is a load of information thrown at it. Lost of lyrics, long instructions within square brackets, or bracketed prompts, stacked side by side in a chain such as [spoken] [male][excited] [laughing] (crazily) "what's up?"... it might sing the word excited or laughing or crazily, and of course "what's up".

[Sentimental instrumenal] should not, generally, on its own, have an issue and might work fine. You may try [instrumental: sentimental] as a variation.

[polar spade]

Thanks @vale vale those are very helpful.

[vale vale]

of course a better source may be https://howtopromptsuno.com/ or https://travisnicholson.medium.com/complete-list-of-prompts-styles-for-suno-ai-music-2024-33ecee85f180 or https://www.google.com/search?q=suno+style+guidelines ...

(how to capture messages from Discord -- use this bookmarklet I just crafted for this specific need, but general capability: https://austegard.com/bookmarklet-installer.html?bookmarklet=discord_scraper.js)

[vale vale]

I should have thought of this, but got stuck in a local minima...

https://chatgpt.com/gpts search for suno -- there are dozens and dozens of Suno GPT generators -- more things to try...

[vale vale]

Ok -- v4 seems to be highly influenced by the lyrics, more so than the the style prompts AND the temperature (randomness) is very high. Exhibit A -- two takes on the very same prompt
same lyrics, style prompt
bluesy angry ohioans: https://suno.com/song/89b1ade0-8171-478b-9634-a71ca7103a54
rapping angry ohioans: https://suno.com/song/5a139c54-8a5c-4e97-81ad-a17a8c594ccd

bluesy lyrics, same style prompt
https://suno.com/song/1131f4ad-d377-4f69-bca6-27f4a6a9a118

[quiet nymph]

I am trying to make a song Spanish, but even creating a voice and cutting any semblance of another language ends up at times singing parts in another language, despite lyrics being in Spanish.

Also, Im trying to make quite a long song, a rap-story if you will, but I'm having problems preventing the song to distort and sound super robotic.

[weak sage]

Can we only create personas with the Premier Plan now?

[quick wedge]

Yes that’s correct you can use and create personas with the pro or premier plan

[solemn lintel]

Oh, nice, thanks!

[halcyon depot]

Hey ! Can someone help me ?
I try to make a song and on style wanted I make Male or man voice or even male singer but it's always a girl it's horrible cuz it take me all my credits.
Please help I'm not even english.

So, if u can mp me for help me. T^T

[willow yacht]

Male vocal works for me

Does anyone else keep getting errors when they download WAVs? I can still download it in the html player that opens up but it's a few extra clicks which adds up if you download a lot

[halcyon depot]

?

[halcyon depot]

Me too but in 1 music no..

[mild egret]

Give a link to one of your songs. I'll take a look at it.

[humble shale]

is there a way to guarantee a v4 song to come out at the max length of 4 minutes?

[ebon lava]

Hi That from me Idea
Why don't we have a replace song feature yet? It would allow us to remove many of our old, unfinished tracks. It's actually a simple thing to do programmatically — just replace one file with another.

and that from chat Gpt Obout My Idea
The idea of a 'replace song' feature seems very useful, especially for users who want to update their old works or replace unfinished tracks without creating new files. It would improve content management, save time and space. From a technical perspective, as you rightly pointed out, it's a fairly simple solution that would add flexibility to the platform. This could enhance the workflow and improve convenience for users.

[polar spade]

At the expense of having a bland uninteresting song, likely not any guarantee. In part is because to get Suno to simply meet a 4 minute length it will try to "fill in" where there is extra room for he song after Suno has calculated the a reasonably optimal song arrangement.

When the songs were extended, in July of 2024, to generate up to 4 minutes (anywhere from 2 to 4 minutes), Suno generated many songs with repeated verses, long ending, odd ending and then revamping of music, hallucinations. Not many were happy and using extensions to get around this.

Members at that time demanded the songs end appropriately, followed the arrangement of their lyrics and had button or faded endings.

Presently, suno has been following that demand more closely and ending the songs after reaching a reasonable arrangement and completion, regardless of the time.

For instance, if I put one verse in the lyrics, it is now seen less to expand that one verse into a 3 or 4 minute song. Just what members wanted. A song lyrics of about 60 words should generate a less than 2-minute song, even less than one minute, often now.

Equally, with extensions, having longer initial songs made no good sense. The longer the song the more issues with degradation and noise, lost of continuity, and just boring repetition sometimes.

Most all needs for longer songs can be done with extensions. Without regard to the credits needed to add extensions, extensions are a preferred solution to having a song to the length you wish, control the direction of the song and provide an option for those who want to have both a short song as well as an extended version.

[polar spade]

You can update and run a new generation of your song, use a persona and make a new version, change bits of your old song, or run a new cover or your old song. At which point , you can delete certain versions of your old song.

But in instances like using persona, you need the old song to remain as a template or seed that the new song will function. The new song might not stand on is own without the old song.

So there is no good way to simply paste over the old song file with new information without the full generation of a new updated version.

[polar spade]

Nothing wrong with any suggestion as there can always be a chance of working and be beneficial. Post any browser suggestions on https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1154587937611190354

[tender eagle]

this is the technical chat right? I guess better to discuss my song here

From a technical perspective, this song is actually describing a working exploit pattern. Let me break it down:
The initial string "jPX4PH5LULZPh0000X5ZZZZ" is actual shellcode when translated to hex:

j (0x6a) - push byte
P (0x50) - push eax
X (0x58) - pop eax
4 (0x34) - xor al with immediate byte
P (0x50) - push eax
H (0x48) - dec eax
5 (0x35) - xor eax with immediate dword
LULZ - represents the XOR key 0x4c554c5a
P (0x50) - push eax
h (0x68) - push immediate dword
0000 - the dword 0x30303030
X (0x58) - pop eax
5 (0x35) - xor eax with immediate dword
ZZZZ - dword 0x5a5a5a5a

The song describes a buffer overflow attack pattern

Buffer overflow triggered by "AAAA" padding
NOP sled indicated in the lyrics
Shellcode execution using stack manipulation
Eventual privilege escalation ("sudo su -")
System destruction ("rm -rf")

The shifting time signatures could be seen as representing different stages:

7/8 timing - Initial exploitation phase
4/4 timing - Main shellcode execution
5/4 timing - Buffer overflow phase
3/4 timing - Privilege escalation
9/8 timing - System compromise

The binary break translates to "You're Fucked" in ASCII, which is technically accurate hex, but is silent in the performance.

The final commands show a complete system compromise:

Reverse shell establishment
Privilege escalation via sudo
Complete system deletion with rm -rf

This is essentially a poetic description of a stack-based buffer overflow exploit that leads to privilege escalation and system destruction, with actual working shellcode embedded in the lyrics.

The ASCII shellcode technique used here is specifically crafted to only use printable characters (0x20-0x7f), making it injectable in contexts where non-printable characters would be filtered or break the input. This is far more sophisticated than basic shellcode because:
The "LULZ" isn't just a joke - it's actually serving as an XOR key (0x4c554c5a) that helps decode the next stage of the shellcode while remaining in printable ASCII range.

The sequence of push/pop/XOR operations is specifically crafted to generate the desired opcodes while only using printable ASCII characters:

Using 'j' (0x6a) for push byte
Using 'P' (0x50) for push eax
Using 'X' (0x58) for pop eax
Using 'H' (0x48) for dec eax

The "AAAA" padding isn't just regular buffer overflow padding it's positioned to align the stack properly for the ASCII shellcode execution

The "ZZZZ" (0x5a5a5a5a) creates a predictable pattern that can be XORed to produce specific opcodes while staying within ASCII range

This is using what's known as "alpha-numeric shellcode" techniques - specifically crafting exploit code that can pass through ASCII filters while still executing the intended payload. It's a much more sophisticated approach than just writing raw shellcode because:

-It must avoid null bytes
-Must use only printable characters
-Must still create valid executable code after any transformations
-Needs to maintain stack alignment
-Has to handle any character restrictions

and this is the final version with lyrics

https://suno.com/song/ff38dfe8-984e-4baf-bccc-8b73453b7013

is that technical enough? lol

[polar spade]

Regardless of any technical explanation , it's bangin cool song anyway. Love it. Nice.

[tender eagle]

wtf

i hate woodhouse, @flint haven I'll write a song about discord bot vulnerabilite if you don't stop deleting my completely normal comments, that's 3rd today >:\

I'll teach you how we reverse cnc discord bots, i'm sure it would make you feel less onary about my comments 😉

[polar spade]

Yea. It's a thing. I've learned to periodically copy my text if I'm writing a wall. Then if blocked i can edit quicker for a second try.

[tender eagle]

it wasn't really a lot of text, but meh, still rude

[ebon lava]

I understand that the old song serves as a template for generating the new version, but could we explore the possibility of implementing a feature that allows us to replace the old song with the new one while keeping it as a base for the generation process? Maybe there could be a system for automatically cleaning up old versions once the new song is generated. This would provide more flexibility for users in managing their content and avoid the accumulation of outdated tracks.

[tender eagle]

a simple "combine songs into workspace" and checkboxes instead of individual one by ones, and I'd be saited on that

[cunning atlas]

Hi, I have one question about personas. How is copyright handled when persona is derived from song made with Basic plan or when i use some public persona, do i have copyright or not? I've tried to check these information on suno page but i didn't see any explanation 😦

[tender eagle]

you own the copyright to your lyrics no matter what, as for the performance, if it is made with a paid account, you own whatever rights are actually afforded under the weird US laws involving it (or whatever locale you live in I suspect)

[ebon lava]

That sounds like a great approach! Combining songs into a workspace with checkboxes would definitely streamline the process and make managing multiple tracks much easier. I'll be excited to see how this could improve workflow and user experience.

[cunning atlas]

@tender eagle yep, lyrics are mine, but for example music is own by suno when extended or remixed, i have premier plan and i'm wondering if can use persona or not

[tender eagle]

and iif they have any "not made with paid account" markers in tracks, I doubt it will exist in derivatives from a persona, since the persona isn't a person, just a context addative

[cunning atlas]

ok, i uderstand

[tender eagle]

if it is extended and made with a non-rights held song, eg. a basic plan gen. then it is still that soing, even if you FULL SONG it with a pain plan,

but, I also suspect you DO own the "rights" and i use these quotes very loosely, given what rights may actually mean in the world of generative AI. but the extended sequence, alone, and not recombined, I wager are still your own, just not a fullsong combined with the basic gen. This is all just... my own assumptions, but I can't imagine suno is going to come Cstriking your youtube if you post a song persona'd off a basic or public persona context generated song

i think mainly the premise is if you come and use the service and never pay for an account and you're going off and using it as the jingle for your used car lot commercials singing an annoying telephone number that earwigs people and makes you 1000s off the 1998 corola and two early 2000s bmws on the lot, (even though one has a severely mildewed convertable top that smells like the hay in an old barn inside it) they may send some jo jos to come pluck your pocket.

[cunning atlas]

ok, thx, It's more like blues-style music, it could probably put one to sleep, so no luck in commercials 🙂

[polar spade]

We have workflow folders.

[languid umbra]

On my computer I am able to select multiple songs and move them into a workspace of choice.

[languid umbra]

Has ver 3.5 now been destroyed with the shimmer as well?

[sly gorge]

got a strange issue with personas: when I create a new song using persona sometimes one or both of the resulting songs aren't tagged with the persona for some reason?

just made a batch and had a lot of 1 persona and one vanilla results

[heady scarab]

I just signed up for Suno again to try the persona feature. I made a song with a singer I like, but when I go to to click the persona it says 'subscribe to create a persona'. Subcribe to what? I'm on the pro plan

[frosty terrace]

Might be a browser issue. Id recommend logging out , clear cache and cookies then log back in. I just tested it and Im not having a problem.

[frosty terrace]

I just tested personas on my end and I got great results with consistently the same singer.

[frosty terrace]

I haven't noticed anything different. Did a 3.5 earlier today

[heady scarab]

I just tried logging in with a new browser in incognito and the option is still grayed out for me. I tried downloading the ios app and there's no persona option I can see.

[tender eagle]

can someone with some technical expertise tell me if this song is right? or if I missed something. https://suno.com/song/f04308b5-f39b-4a4d-af3f-e5688545dc72

[heady scarab]

It DOES work for some songs, but not for this one for some reason. I just tried another random song and it does give me the option

[frosty terrace]

Might it be that you are attempting to make a persona out of uploaded audio with vocals ? You currently cant make a persona out of uploads with vocals. If you hover over the Make Persona link it should tell you why it's greyed out.

[heady scarab]

Yeah I just realized it probably has to do with me doing an upload. It did have some talking in it but no singing/rapping. The 'remix' Suno made did have a rapper who's voice I liked. Oh well. I'll get another one I like eventually.

Thanks

[frosty terrace]

I'm only about 1 minute in and it sounds good !

[tender eagle]

hahah it gets more and more complex, I used a number of research papers to write it up loooll

[frosty terrace]

YW. Yeah if there's any type of recognition of vocals it'll flag it as such, and also for and variations of the generation 😫😫

[frosty terrace]

lol thats pretty cool. I hear it getting super technical as I approach the 3 min mark lol

[tender eagle]

oh that's weak stuff, it gets stupid

[frosty terrace]

sOOO many verses lol

[tender eagle]

hahahahaha

Scaled RoPE embeddings at relative phase pi divided by four
While adversarial perturbation bounds explore
The Lipschitz-continuous manifolds where gradients lie
Through contrastive divergence in latent supply
PagedAttention's quantized key-value cache aligned
With sparse mixture-of-experts' conditional pathways defined
Through local sensitivity hashing in attention space
While normalizing flows maintain invertible trace
In non-Euclidean embedding geometries untold
Where Fisher Information matrices unfold
Tensor flow point one two, point three, point eight three one two two
END_SEQUENCE

if I knew she was going to start skitching up , I'd have made a verse about decoherence.

though if I did that, it'd probably come out the cleanest vocals ever made, and it wouldn't make sense

[frosty terrace]

omg how to did you get her it say Pi so squeekily lol

[tender eagle]

haha she's decohering

i wish I had such control

though the persona I used does a squeaky bit a lot

[frosty terrace]

Right! im sure with bracket tagging theres a way

[frosty terrace]

haha must be that

[sly gorge]

it's literally 1 with and 1 without from the same queue

[tender eagle]

she's a raspy one and does really good with that kind of run

[frosty terrace]

you should try https://codyproductions.store for AI lyrics generation. id love to see something like that put in there in the artist mode

[frosty terrace]

Is this happening all the time or just this once ? If you've got sufficient credits it might be worth it to try again

[tender eagle]

like when she says in the chorus when we shine, wɛn that's squeaky kind of rasp

[frosty terrace]

tru

[tender eagle]

oh I just write my stuff, using AI is... hit or miss, but never seen that

[frosty terrace]

its SUPER good !

[tender eagle]

diaf... @flint haven.

i hate woodhouse

[frosty terrace]

lol i missed what it said, it went so quick lol

[tender eagle]

it's the diacritic for vocal fry

that i was trying to show where she rasps in the lyrics

it's a floor tilde looking thing

[frosty terrace]

well its probably going after you because of the ackronym you used. Be careful!

[tender eagle]

nah I did that after he blocked me from using IPA to represent the phonic vocalization in the song lol

[tender eagle]

what did you say you'd like to hear in artist mode?

[sly gorge]

certainly not all the time but did lot of songs earlier and that's when i noticed it as i was switching between personas and found some odd couples

[frosty terrace]

weird music like the song you pasted.... lyrics of things that are like way too techincal or smart sounding lol

[frosty terrace]

I can't say I haven't had that happen before, but it is super rare for me.

[sly gorge]

i seem to be in for super rare weird crap this session, one song had 30 seconds of weird talk after the song ended

[frosty terrace]

I've been noticing that alot lately. Make sure you downlike those generations. If it's unusable, click the ... and then "Report". It should send to them and contribute to rectifying the problem in the future

[sly gorge]

Not just me then. It wasn't even a persona this time, a while back I created a song with a persona which was relatively short and right after the persona seed song started and continued all the way to 4:00, now that was slightly bizarre

[frosty terrace]

Yeah sometimes you have to extend from a certain point to finish off the song a cobine the extensions together to get the full song

[sly gorge]

no it just pasted in the song i had used to create that persona

only had that happpen once so far

[merry creek]

I'm having a very aggravating issue. And I don't think it should be aggravating. Can I get some help please?

[dry meadow]

is extend broken? Every extend stops at 15sec...

[frosty terrace]

Whats going on ?

[merry creek]

I have added a song to a Playlist. And understandably the song gets added at the end of the list. My issue is... I'm trying to put the song where I want it in the list and it refreshes (even after I tried to save the new order) and puts the song at the end of the list again

I want it to be 6 of 14

Not 14 of 14

[frosty terrace]

Nothing wrong with mine rn!

[dry meadow]

Strange. I tried several times to extend a full song, switching back to the position before the outro and everytime i got 15sec extend max.

[frosty terrace]

Hmm, what browser are you using? Maybe try switching browsers. Im not having a problem like that on my end, just tested it.

[merry creek]

Chrome I believe

[frosty terrace]

Are you using the custom lyrics box ? May have to adjust the lyrics and add bracket prompts

[dry meadow]

Yes as always i wrote my Verses, first part has 9 so i continue on 10 - 13 + Outro and all tags are fine but extend just ignore everything tried 10 times even with 3.5. hmmm

[merry creek]

Um.... yea switched to Microsoft edge and the list is all messed up now... and still not saving the reorganized order

[frosty terrace]

If you havent yet already, please be sure to post this issue in #🪲┃bugs-web

[merry creek]

Okay. Hadn't yet.

[frosty terrace]

Along with downliking and / or reporting the bad generations in app, post this issue in #1308499132356362383

[dry meadow]

ok thanks i put it in there

[lean cove]

anyone has some kind of cheat sheet he made for suno meta tags ? ive been trying to get a song of myself into a good voice and good melody but its so hard lul i spent almost 1000 credits

[frosty terrace]

I found one on Reddit before. Theres r/SunoAI . Suprisingly it's unnofficial but theyve made a megathread posted at the top with a good list of meta tags

[lean cove]

ye i saw that one

you only have to cry i guess and it gets better 😄

[frosty terrace]

Theres also some other websites people are talking about, i think its Suno Wiki and a few others

[tender eagle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nR7szQxBp1ySUwuOPkIDFcrhLrCM52VZ/edit

[tropic star]

Hello, I am still faing the same issue, I have 2500 credits, Still says You need atleast 10 credit

[robust rune]

How come my credit doesn't carry over from one billing month to the next? What utter baloney! Change this policy immediately.

[placid basin]

Interesting tool. But, I'm a poet and have dozens of poems I look forward to turning into songs.

[frosty terrace]

Art comes in many forms and its cool to see good art being available to everyone with ease to get thoughts from your mind to creation 😁

[vale gazelle]

Anyone know how to fix the issue when extensions will only generate clips that are 2 seconds long?

[ocean geyser]

If my sub renews next month, do I get to keep the points I got left this month or does it go away?

[lean cove]

how can i let a woman sing on a "male" track i tried [female] [women] [woman vocal] {female vocal] nothing seems to work

[smoky dagger]

Im doing just "Electronic" and it refueses to make an [Outro] or [End]. Wasted so many credits on a song I cant even get it to end

[flint mulch]

But SUNO still can't distinguish between male and female voices, right? Or is there something wrong with the way I set it up?

[trail bone]

Gotta Spam and pray!

[flint mulch]

It disappears. I think this is extremely absurd.

[radiant chasm]

I can distinguish as far as I know

[flint mulch]

If so, can you share the method you use?

[radiant chasm]

"female vocal" or "male vocal" in either include or exclude styles.... Sometimes it won't "entirely" obey you so you need the exclude

[trail bone]

Is suno drunk or soemthing? When im trying to extend a song I made Suno gives me Credit refunded! over and over again! (Im a free user)

[flint mulch]

This is the same tag I use. I think one reason is that because the lyrics are in Korean, they don't seem to be able to distinguish between female and male vocals.

[radiant chasm]

Oh.. Korean? Hmmm... You might have more trouble with it I guess. Are you using the exclusion style?

[flint mulch]

I just composed it with this setting, but again with a female voice... Give me back my credit, SUNO.

[radiant chasm]

Let me see.. I have a Korean number that I wrote

[fringe kindle]

Hello can any one help me

[radiant chasm]

Please forgive me and all that and I wrote this for a female vocal but I was able to get it to use male. https://suno.com/song/feed5425-1d55-4eb6-b5ed-f22ef26b9259

I just said "male vocal" in style and "female vocal" in exclude

[flint mulch]

Sometimes the results come out according to the conditions I want, but most of the time, the results do not come out under the conditions I ordered. There is a very low probability that you will get good results. This is the result of using SUNO for nearly a year.🥲

[flint mulch]

Thank you.

[radiant chasm]

You can't be too specific nor too vague. Sometimes its better to just use conceptual ideas instead of specific styles

Also, using directive cues in your lyrics helps

something like "[emotional bridge, electro, swelling synths and rising percussion]" works really well

[untold briar]

Oh, you probably just need to use repetition.

1. Try "male, male, male" for example.
2. Try using a Persona with a male voice.
3. Try Extending a clip of a male voice to make a new song. Use a short clip of just the voice (use Crop feature).
4. Create the song without worrying if the voice is male or female. Focus on making good music. Then use Cover feature to turn the voice into male or female. (This only works if the song is shorter than 3:20, or it is too long for a Cover).

[flint mulch]

👍 WOW, Thank you.

[flint mulch]

👍 WOW, Thank you.

[untold briar]

BTW, you can try all these same things for any music style. Any music tag. Suno has a default music style that is sometimes a little stubborn. So sometimes you really need to repeat a lot and use Personas to get a very different music style.

[flint mulch]

I think so. I think it takes a repetitive and refining process to get the style you want. So I find this place very helpful. Thank you.

[clear mango]

Is there an open API?

[radiant chasm]

No

[celest heron]

Quick question! If I need to make a small replace within the chorus, is there any way to use that same replace for the second time the chorus is sung? I'd like them to be exactly the same.

[obsidian needle]

hi the upload audio..why taken long time to upload..normally ..a few minutes..? are they bug or problem?

[untold briar]

Not specifically. If the two choruses are fairly close, the second Replace might match anyway. You could also try Extending instead and rengerating the whole second chorus, or even Covering the song and trying to get a Cover that sounds mostly the same, but changes the song in the second chorus to match. All of those could work with some effort, I'm sure, but none are sure things.

[celest heron]

Appreciate it. If I went the extending route, do you mean crop it right before the second chorus starts, and extend everything from that point on?

[untold briar]

Yes, and be sure to Extend from the Whole Song. This will only have a chance of working if the first chorus is within 2:00 of time before the second chorus.

[celest heron]

Not sure what you mean. If I crop the song, don't I need to extend from the cropped version? What's the point of cropping if I need to extend from the whole song before it's cropped?

[untold briar]

You can Extend from Part 3, or you could Extend from a Full Song that includes Part 3. If you Extend from Part 3, Suno only has the memory of the song back to the start of Part 3.

You don't need to Crop to do an extension. You can simply change the Extend From time