📚┃suno-school

[gaunt goblet]

New here.
But I just subbed (primarily for the license) and I was hoping the remaster would make the vocals more realistic, which it did. However the chords of the song are kinda messed up.
Like, it changed the progression to to something that's still in key, but weird. It also changed important melody notes.

Do I just keep doing remaster generations?

Or is this just one of those buggy new features that'll get fixed in a month+?

[hollow hare]

I can only surmise that the v2 model is incompatible with Remastering. Or, more likely, the quality of the output is not worth having it remastered and probably gave a lot more issues/artifacts

[verbal mortar]

32 with headphones

[crude jetty]

v4 has some (a lot) instumental issues right now. tht's going to be fixed. I personally have v3 instuments on v4 vocals and it sounds fine to me

[naive quail]

lol. it has me at 10 years OLDER.

dirty lying youtube!!

[junior stone]

Yo 60year old hearing? I think its my headset because I took a real hearing test and they were amazed at my score. I refuse to believe this. LOL

[primal juniper]

Hmm.. with my android phone and firefox browser, i can remaster it.

[gaunt goblet]

how did you separate vocals O:

[hollow hare]

Huh, interesting. What were you using before?

[crude jetty]

there's a minor spot in the 60s range that most don't hit well, move past that few numbers and see if you can hear it again

[crude jetty]

I'm a subscriber

[junior stone]

That and this 4 min cut off. I just want it to strictly to stay on my lyrics and we'd be good. Its too smart for its own good.

[gaunt goblet]

O: I didn't realize that was an option!!
Awesome thanks!

[crude jetty]

4 minutes is 3.5 as well. you can just extend it

[naive quail]

Oh I know, I just found it funny. In this case it's veeeery definitely not a limitation of my audio gear. Probably related more to the fact that I've spent too much time in front of cranked amps/PAs w/o ear protection

[primal juniper]

Windows10, firefox, chrome, vivaldi, brave... none works as it did with phone

[crude jetty]

this is v4 vocals on v3.5 instruments

[junior stone]

Yeah but the same lyrics/song were never cut off like this on 3.5

[gaunt goblet]

26, not too shabby for 32

[crude jetty]

oh trust me, they still get cut off

[junior stone]

hmm never had that issue before

[analog garden]

Does any one else have problems with covers? Like they are not working at all? I found myself in a position, that as soon as I upload something and Suno adds the lyrics - it seems to work. But as soon as I correct the lyrics or add structure-tags 2 out of my 3 uploaded songs just straight up do not work and come back with an error about "beeing stuck in generation". Already wrote the support about it, but more than 24 hours now and no answer... 😦

[primal juniper]

Here's the remastered version https://suno.com/song/d6ee1dfe-0375-4c64-ad1c-ea742b41ecf8

terrible sound quality

[gaunt goblet]

I dig it, that sounds pretty solid, I'm gonna try that

[chilly harness]

Also just found out that upon doing the normal workflow of (generate - extend - get whole song - extend), it now consistently ignores my lyrics and prompt upon trying to extend the whole song... I never had that issue before, and I have always used that workflow. (V3.5)

[smoky olive]

@primal juniper do you ear the click in the background it look like its in every song

[gaunt goblet]

I imagine you could probably do something in audacity to really calculate it, if it's wrong anyway.

[primal juniper]

all i generate is generally poor sound quality

[smoky olive]

@primal juniper yeah that too XD

[crude jetty]

it could be because the speakers they use can't output it though too

[charred oxide]

something seriously broke n with personas, all songs made are 3:14 minutes long.

And v4 has some serious reverb and echo issues for me. not sure if anyone else has that

[plain galleon]

it's interesting, the discord makes it seem like this is happening to a majority of people. but it's highly specific to certain types of songs for me. when doing basic acoustic/hawaiian type songs, it's maybe 80% working fine, 20% will get the shimmering and reverb issues

at least for me

but when i switch to any other "heavier" sounds, like straight up dance pop, shimmering is much more common

[charred oxide]

"Japanese metal, funeral doom-metal, slow tempos, female vocalist," so it could be because of the metal style

[crude jetty]

I'm using grunge, not metal

[analog garden]

Na - I hear you... I got it aswell on the more mellow stuff. there is some weird "swishing" sound going on...

[plain galleon]

yeah i got it on a few of my mellow tracks, one specific track i gave up and extended from a 3.5 before doing a remaster into 4 and it resolved it

but it had to be done as an extension. otherwise, when i was extending straight to a 4 from the 3.5, i ALWAYS got the shimmering

[analog garden]

https://suno.com/song/68f865f4-e682-412a-988a-e06821906fd6 - after the first verse. is that the same thing? (and that is a remastered song)

[plain galleon]

it sounds like a cymbal going reverse and forward

[plain galleon]

actually around 1:50, that's a lot of shimmering

[idle jacinth]

I think the shimmering was always there, after 1:30 there was always some kind of distortion that affected the quality. Whatever they did to improve the sound quality overall, also affected the shimmering and amplified it

[analog garden]

yep... after the first verse..

[plain galleon]

oh man i just generated two songs with this prompt and they are filled with shimmering like right away

[charred oxide]

yeah it is sad, but 3.5 works fine

[plain galleon]

i compared generation between 3.5 and 4 for your prompt, the shimmering is always for the part where you expect a repeated cymbal crash. so v4 is just having issues with cymbal crashes

https://suno.com/song/259f5b7d-39e5-401b-9809-27c1274d6ac1 this shimmering is so bad

[analog garden]

for comparison - this was striaght up recreated with v4 https://suno.com/song/6c689944-6d0b-4b5c-9d6b-98aa8da74d22

[plain galleon]

yeah i still hear shimmering around 3:45

[analog garden]

yep 3:40 is bad...

interestingly - all friends i showed this didn't mind... xD

[worn flicker]

The shimmer was there in 3.5, but it built. That is why it seemed more like drift. Now it seems like phase timing. I'd call it drift but drift denotes something traveling. It would still be drift but immediately on any ambient noise. 3.5 it could be controlled by breaking up the song into sections.

So, I have been finding the same immediate shimmer in 3.5. I may just be ultra sensitive to it because of all the testing of v4 and listening to nothing but shimmer. Are y'all finding that 3.5 is still ok?

[analog garden]

ouch... - yep... seems like cymballs are cymnope... 😄

[charred oxide]

yeah seems for sure it is on cymbals. probably with other high pitch noises as well.

[plain galleon]

i pulled one of my remastered v4 songs from 3.5 and relistened to it, and there was already a weird shimmering effect very slightly with the cymbal crashes and hihats, but it seemed the v4 remaster brought those in the forefront and added more shimmering

my songs with light hihats in spare use... i can live with the shimmer

[little cargo]

i said last night i thought it was cimbles

[plain galleon]

but the heavy use of hihats are so bad

[worn flicker]

Right. I have no actual verification of this, but from what I can tell what happened in v4 is the shimmer that they were trying to get rid of possibly had a Low-Pass filter put on it. Which ended up amplifying the shimmer in the lower frequencies.

[charred oxide]

nice, i don't use discord very often, glad it has been identified before

[analog garden]

but yep - louder tracks do not seem to have the shimmer that much... https://suno.com/song/dfbf06d5-aa3e-498a-bcde-2c3643a92b34 (my only working cover) - it's still there, but there is so much going on that it is not really noticeable...

[worn flicker]

It is sharp sounds that would leave an echo mostly.

Like a snappy snare drum roll

[plain galleon]

i mean the general public shouldn't hear it right? lol

i think we're all super in-tuned to it

[little cargo]

if you dont know.. you can download the stems... load them into audacity.. and this cures most of the shimmer issue,, although some songs are real bad and cant be repaired

[analog garden]

to them it's artistic expression

[worn flicker]

I only have my ears...lol

[analog garden]

xD

[plain galleon]

because we do this a lot

[plain galleon]

yeah i'm just gonna say that when someone asks lol

the AI is being artistic

[worn flicker]

Ok so I've been reporting quality like crazy and naming the songs for each. I can show you the ambient part I mean.

[analog garden]

You Just Don't UNDERSTAND The Meaning! 🤣

[worn flicker]

Yo that is my soul shimmering out of that song...

[plain galleon]

yeah i'm noticing it on some of my songs with snares

[worn flicker]

Yes, and cymbals

[little cargo]

at least for the moment we have a workaround

[analog garden]

https://suno.com/song/e018885f-9cad-4a44-82ef-699dffea40b6 - huh... no shimmering on the cover tho... (well none that I would notice...)

[charred oxide]

nice i will have to try that

[worn flicker]

Anything that has a very precise and rounded sound that reverberates

[plain galleon]

yeah that's true, but it also decreases the quality of the song decently too

to the point where 3.5's quality is better than a v4 recompiled lol

[worn flicker]

The vocal stems are crystal clear

[little cargo]

not if you download the wav... the funny thing is you dont even have to edit the stems... just simply putting them in audacity and hitting play fixes the problem. just be sure to download the WAV stems.. mp3s are compress WAVs so there will be a quality drop

wavs normally are uncompressed so they should have ful dynamicy

[plain galleon]

so here's a prompt with "metal, heavy cymbals and snare" to show full-on shimmering to the max lol
https://suno.com/song/5308004f-f44c-431f-aa6a-bc0f9926f7f7

[plain galleon]

this isn't true all the time, this is only coincidental. audacity doesnt do anything to the sample unless you edit it

it just so happens some of the compiles have shimmering from mp3 compression because mp3 compression usually removes certain frequencies

while wav is fully not

i've done this multiple times with wav downloads for stems and non-stems and it's been the same for some of my songs that i had to give up

[little cargo]

thats my point - what ever the problem its a playback issue... GStreamer can see the shimmer but media player doesnt.. so.. some players reveal the shimmer other dont

[analog garden]

i was on my way to bed... thanks for the nightmares... 😄

[plain galleon]

make sure to count sheep/lamb in bed

[analog garden]

1... 2... 😴

[worn flicker]

Yup full effect

[gaunt goblet]

@crude jetty Dope!
I took the OG vocals and the Remastered, I panned them opposite and brought down the OG a bit, layered over the OG instrumental 🤌 🧈

@crude jetty
It's not a massive difference, but it's what I wanted to achieve.
Demo is the OG
**WC **is the combined (wombo combo)

[crude jetty]

well, there ya go

[gaunt goblet]

yeah! thanks my dude!

[daring talon]

haha. this shimmer is like a virus lol

[gaunt goblet]

What's the shimmer and why can't i hear it 😭

[daring talon]

who called it the shimmer? its littery buffer-underrun. sounds like digital delay on a lost packet lol

low budget sample.

[gaunt goblet]

oh, yeah i get that

but I mean that exists in ai art too, it's plagued with it

[daring talon]

never happened before v4

i can spin one up on 3.5 right now. no shimmer. v4. 99.9 % chance of it somewhere in your song. if not across the entirety

[worn flicker]

I'm not teaching, I am adding to your statement. The shimmer in an mp3 is the same as all others because the first thing to go are the hardest parts to control. The crisp parts which happen to be ambient noise and high hats to full cymbals. Like when listening to streaming music when the quality is low. The high hats get the exact same crumbled sound.

[daring talon]

depends layer3 is slightly different

but yes

bit crush

[gaunt goblet]

interesting ok yeah, I googled underruns and I know what you mean.

I thought maybe it meant like the audio artifacts you can hear in it

[daring talon]

bit crush used to be a desired effect. slam that thing against the wall. hard compression lol

[worn flicker]

In AI generation the shimmer is supposed to happen on long generations as the timing slips due to the resources needed to control the higher frequencies. Faster attenuation, harder to control in all versions of wave frequency.

However, I can't explain that in v4

[daring talon]

i dont think its that at all. i think its either a defective codec/enc/dec or samples are not being assembled in the time needed and its placed back in and masking the transition creating the absurd stutter of the tail of the last sample

[empty lichen]

It did exist in 3.5 but it wasn't nearly as pronounced

[worn flicker]

Yes, it was a build in 3.5

[daring talon]

almost like its used itself and rather than have a poly count. it has a concurrence to delete oldest instead of create new.

[fresh oxide]

Does anyone try this upscaler on their audio files to see if it makes it hi-fi? If so, please DM me cause I can never find my posts after I make them or the replies to them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXdMRKFXUb8

[daring talon]

meaning u never hear the end of the sample thats stuttering cause it re-plays itself anew

[worn flicker]

Right, where the hell have you been?

[daring talon]

much like when u had real old 8bit mixers

and u didnt have enough channels and u trigger a sample to fast and it cuts itself off

[worn flicker]

I've been spouting this crap for a while now and you are one of the first to have a response.

[daring talon]

leads me to believe SUNO is actually based on FAST TRACKER

from the amiga/apple

AIFF

i self taught myself that shit when i was 14

30 years ago

[worn flicker]

Nice, I have no idea. I taught myself the other direction same age 30 years ago

[daring talon]

ha. i have destroyed joints/tendons and limbs from extreme drumming . now at 44. its a bit shit

[worn flicker]

43 til Jan

[daring talon]

my blast beats ain't what they used to be

[worn flicker]

So we came from the same generation where we had to teach ourselves cause no one had a clue what the hell we were talking about...lol

[daring talon]

ikr even the teachers. (they had a book with all the answers at the back , aka. teachers edition) and they still didnt know

bro i remember copying like a game from amiga magazine that was like 30pages of syntax on amos to get it to run

then realised i didnt know how to save and knew when i turned of amiga it was gone 😦

parents are like what is happening?

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[worn flicker]

Funny. Same with me. Where I live they still have no idea. Its why I am back in college for remote.

[daring talon]

ha same GDC next year , (game design college)

uncanny

better go tidy my house whilei compile shaders

FML

[worn flicker]

Later

[daring talon]

im still here just not.

i think they will announce a fix for v4 soon yeah?

[worn flicker]

No telling. They may be gun shy due to the lash they got for saying anything about v4

They got eaten just for saying maintenence was going to take a hour and it took 2

[daring talon]

who cares. ppl just need to be harder as developers. tell them to shut up and accept it. it cant always be rainbows and sunshine

[worn flicker]

Lol

[daring talon]

lucky we get anything. cause public will abuse anything you give them

as its shown lol .

[worn flicker]

True that

Look in v4 feedback

It is rough

[cloud shore]

Spot. On.

[daring talon]

omg its not back after 2 hours. fml. now my childs going to starve because i couldnt get motivated to cook dinner without my music. look what you've done!

[worn flicker]

Yea, it is about the collective effort, in here it has been mostly putting out fires and I am not the best at that.

[daring talon]

its still a service that is new and being fleshed out. its amazing it works 1/2 the time. we just paying for the "bleeding edge"

the bleeding edge comes with a few cuts and scratches.

[spiral frost]

i spend half of my time reporting @worthy grotto not following style instruction because it goes in female voice when i ask for male. Also the exclude thing doesnt work properly yet. And one thing to know -> Lyrics affects 80% of the emotions you want

[daring talon]

wow i cant get it to go female when i want female 😦

[worn flicker]

It is because people don't read that we are able to test...again...test...v4 and other beta features they say they want a refund...lol

[daring talon]

the persona's kind helps bit. save every female like a gem. lol

[worn flicker]

I have no issues getting Vocals in 3.5

[daring talon]

refund is acceptable if you are a sub. if u free. pffft. better luck next time

but it auto refunds i saw a 0.05 second track it generated yesterday but said "REFUNDED TOKEN" on it

[worn flicker]

So you need to get specific Vocals on 3.5?

[daring talon]

there a famous WW2 airforce saying.... "when you're coppin flak, you're over the target"

[worn flicker]

In the Corps we say, "you aim high, we aim center mass"

In one of my songs I have a Chesty Puller quote at the beginning.

Gotta run. Be back

[daring talon]

bro i think i broke 3.5

this the craziest result

https://suno.com/song/1b740aea-2f36-4ac8-b9ac-ec7c4e411e3a

this is madness.

i wanted to find a way to get it to not resolve or make 4/4 all the time. it always resolves everything into whole bars

v4 does that better. but doesnt go full tech death jazz like this lol

[cloud shore]

Have you tried mathcore?

[daring talon]

wonky is a good prompt. makes it do that sorta drag/bend/time . mathcore yeild similar to djent?

[cloud shore]

Not sure.

[daring talon]

i have the best 3 word prompt ever. i made over 2000 gens with it and ended up making a 15 track album/collection from it. haha.

cause technically these 3 words are styles. lol

[cloud shore]

Can I try it?

[daring talon]

took about 2 weeks. cause there cant be any "bugs" lol

sure haha

you want me to share it lol ?

[cloud shore]

Yea, lol.

[daring talon]

"extreme scat horror"

[cloud shore]

Oh dear god

[daring talon]

🤯

u know what scat is?

not feces

scat is like lyrical scatting/freestyle

scat man!

lol

[cloud shore]

I do

[daring talon]

haha it makes some crazy stuf fman. from all borders.

[cloud shore]

Do you put commas inbetween or keep it as one long prompt?

[daring talon]

ive had like this religious chant guy in monotone reading

nope

just "extreme scat horror" . then do your lyrics

i use it to memories theories /formulas etc

cause u can put 3000 word document as lyrics

and it goes ape shit tryna fit it all in. lol but u get some gems

[cloud shore]

I have to try but I now have to pick what song I will butcher with that, lol.

[daring talon]

find a document

[elder dune]

Well I know what I'm trying next, 😆

[daring talon]

like documentation of something. usermanual for your vacuum cleaner

idk

but it does it so well

[cloud shore]

Nah. I'm gonna take something I have done that turned out well and just butcher it lol.

[daring talon]

it ssuch a mixed bag too and ive never had it get a style i didnt appreciate

hav eyou ever done a cover and it turns it into a live concert with crowd etc?

the crowd even chanting or going loud as the vocalist carrells them. wtf

[cloud shore]

I did a silly song about dogs barking and it took 3/4 of the song and turned it into garbeled jargon like it was from a live t.v show an the hosts were talking over the instrumental. Was wild.

[daring talon]

ok im keen to hear what you got dylan

haha

my next step is to get a few my mates together and we will learn to play the suno tracks on our instruments. gonna be dope/funny as

like covering a AI

[cloud shore]

The song turned out pretty decent but no scat.

[daring talon]

is there many lyrics?

[cloud shore]

No

[daring talon]

u need to fill it up

it will get through them really fast

[naive quail]

the upload that and cover it with Suno

[daring talon]

hahahaha

yeah thats the "best of" volume 2

rinse/repeate

u know jimmy hendrix made 2 albums alive and over 79 dead

[cloud shore]

I'm liking the new version of the songs I did. Should have tried them with metal influence.

[daring talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Cem0qxRDw&list=PLPK3cUrrEPru6TVW7jOPYXwg-SwiWRh6a

may not be your cup of tea

thats a whole album of "extreme scat horror" took over 2000 to find the right parts.

about 2-3 weeks and made like lyric/subtitle video for them

hope the link is right. it should be a playlist 🙂

link the song u did with the prompt?

[cloud shore]

Spend the vast majority of my time doing metal of all sorts.

The first song 🤣

[daring talon]

its amazing that 3 words produced so many good times

LOL

i dont think in real life it would be that fun

lol

[elder dune]

🤣

Hey man m thanks for that tip! I think I've got my concept for my next song with that and Revelation chapter 13 .. 🤘🔥🤘

[daring talon]

yeah mines a tad blasphemous 🙂

computer doesnt have a problem with it

lol

[cloud shore]

Can I DM? Prefer not to test the waters.

[daring talon]

sure

im gonna test v4 with the lyrics , see how it does compared to older gens. i wonder if it overuses auto tune lol

[cloud shore]

Remaster those tracks!

See how it goes.

[daring talon]

yeah

[cloud shore]

Down the rabbit hole I go now 🤣

[elder dune]

My experience with remaster was not great today, just FYI. I don't think that feature is quite ready for prime time yet

[daring talon]

i just did one b4 v4 and it was epic. added crowd n stuff. like a concert

[elder dune]

Nice! Did you prompt for that specifically or did it just do it on its own? And was it cover or the new remaster?

[daring talon]

done on its own i think

[elder dune]

Usually when I want that effect I just mix in the crowd sounds in 'post production'

[daring talon]

https://suno.com/song/dbd33378-ab26-4789-8b28-21eb2287af9a

[elder dune]

I'll have to give that s shot

[cloud shore]

I got a 'walking through snow in the wind' sound in a remaster, Kinda neat

[daring talon]

dude i have AI thrown N bombs. hahaha

went full gansta

[elder dune]

I had tried to get it to do a song about the Reavers from Firefly/Serenity, and it refused - probably because it had the word r*pe in it 😕 .. but in context it wasn't an offensive use. Oh well..

[daring talon]

oops. even here i typed "grape seed oil is bad for you" minus the g

[elder dune]

Heh .. yeah kinda like that

[daring talon]

and i got a warning

[elder dune]

I saw it briefly

[daring talon]

rofl

#computers

[cloud shore]

And this is why I DM'd xD

[naive quail]

that one doesn't seem to get flagged, tho it may depend on context

[elder dune]

I ended up doing the song without that lyric and then mixing in a sample from the show instead .. but I'm still not happy with the whole thing and shelved it for now

[sudden walrus]

That's some good stuff right there

[elder dune]

There was some other stuff in it to .. if you know about the show, then you know the Reavers weren't nice .. and the song was from their perspective

[rare prairie]

Suno V. 4 sucks. All the songs sound like modern crappy commercial music. It used to be able to do 70s funk or 90s grunge. Not anymore

It seems like it lost its abilities to do eras. It all sounds like imagine dragons modern crap

[sudden walrus]

I noticed. Grunge is almost unusable now.

[daring talon]

i thought was average, but creative , suprised me

[sudden walrus]

Ai does some weird stuff sometimes.

[rare prairie]

It works well remastering old songs. But these new songs it generates are way off

[sudden walrus]

Makes me wonder what Spanish metal would sound like now

[sudden walrus]

I got the shimmer in some of my remasters but lucky some of the instruments cover up most of it.

[worn flicker]

Yes, describing Reavers actions will trip censors...lol

[elder dune]

Huh, my experience was the exact opposite. I got a good generation on something new, but my attempt at a remaster sucked.

[sudden walrus]

Weird thing I got was somehow a v4 song got part of the 3.5 persona base song integrated into it. Kept it since it was unique and actually sounded good

[rare prairie]

https://suno.com/song/390fa005-8a3b-4492-b555-55346fb63502

[potent rock]

i'm getting super annoyed bc i'm trying to make a rap song like i always do and with a female voice, but every single song, the chorus is sung like a pop radio hit like mariah carey is singing, it's super wack. How can i get the good beats and regular voice back?

[elder dune]

@daring talon thank you so much for that 'extreme scat horror' prompt. Check this monstrosity out: https://suno.com/song/244349f3-ab13-4a58-adeb-445c6334c6c5

[worn flicker]

You on 3.5 or 4?

[potent rock]

i switched to 3.5 but it's still bad

[worn flicker]

I have had issues of my own recently, which is what makes me wonder about what is happening before it hits the model. The weights seem off.

[sudden walrus]

They messed up something when they released v4. Seems it's in the code. If you try to use the cover or persona from 3.5 it will default you to v4 instead. It's worse on phone.

[worn flicker]

Try tagging the song more

[potent rock]

the verses are ok, but the beats suck and the chorus is horrendous...i dunno what to do...i can't make the music i like making

[sudden walrus]

What is scat horror?

[worn flicker]

Don't go there...lol

[sudden walrus]

I'm concerned now

[potent rock]

for negative words, i put Pop, and don't sing the chorus, which seemed to help, but not enough

[worn flicker]

Not in this channel

Lol

[worn flicker]

I mean tags in lyrics

[flint haven]

👀

[potent rock]

like how do u get her not to sing her soul out on the chorus w tags?

[elder dune]

If you use that for the style prompt and put it a big wall of text, you'll basically get an epic thrash metal song that reads the whole thing..

@daring talon's idea

[worn flicker]

You say [Soft Female Vocals]

In 3.5

I can't tell you anything stable about v4

[potent rock]

ugh, i just hate how i had a perfect prompt that made dope beats and now i have nothing lol, i need an expert to help

[worn flicker]

Yes, I hope it is fixed soon. You want to link your song here and I can see if I can get it to do what you want?

Put <...> around the link

[untold briar]

Did you try spamming the keywords a bit? Let me try quick. Just fill up the style prompt, like SEO spam, get through to stubborn suno

[sudden walrus]

Interesting

[worn flicker]

Jonathan is well beyond me, listen to him

[untold briar]

not sure half these words do anything, but "a lot" is the key I think. still a little commercial maybe but: https://suno.com/song/fa662a0c-a9c3-4fc5-98bc-511e48bd025b

[harsh plover]

hi im having troubles with suno. when i try to make a new song appears "A clip got stuck while generating."

[hard ruin]

Fix remastering must provide 1st Original song and 2nd new Variation one also it must remain the original vocal

[worn flicker]

Maybe the channel should be named user-technical-discussion.

[mellow edge]

v4 so bad at covers how do i change back to v3.5

[worn flicker]

At the top of create

[mellow edge]

does not work unfortunately

[worn flicker]

Are you doing cover, replace, or remaster?

[mellow edge]

yes

[worn flicker]

That is why I believe. I have had the same issue. @untold briar can you verify this?

[untold briar]

What was the question?

[worn flicker]

Here

[mellow edge]

what

[worn flicker]

I have had the same issue

[mellow edge]

jonathan fly does not need to be at the scene

button dont work

i guess thats it

[worn flicker]

Hold up

He is typing

[mellow edge]

jonathan fly drop your wisdom

[untold briar]

Right now you can't, as far as I know. I don't have any extra knowledge about if this is going to change or not. Suno is monitoring user feedback and suggestions of course.

[mellow edge]

wait

does this guy work there

or is he a discord intern

[untold briar]

Mods and Guides just mod the Discodrd, we aren't Suno employees. For official responses you need to use email, though occasionally purple name Suno employees may chime in.

[worn flicker]

I can verify this for you as a user. They are not developers but they have the devs ears if you want to go in that way.

[mellow edge]

eh

i dont really care that much

[worn flicker]

Oh

Sorry

[mellow edge]

its ok

[worn flicker]

Either way I wanted to know thanks Jonathan

[rich obsidian]

Hey, is Suno having problems at the moment? I can't create any music at the moment. It takes forever to load until an error occurs.

My English isn't that good

[worn flicker]

It is not having issues in that area

[naive quail]

The only spanish that I know... lol https://suno.com/song/1f1c918e-cb59-4740-8265-a497b2e59dcf

[faint wing]

How can you make the right prompt for a song that makes a male and female duet with alternating vocals?

[stable talon]

Tag verses with [male voice] and [female voice], pray to RNGods, and keep punching Generate until it works🤷‍♂️

[worn flicker]

It is not hard to do but without breaking down the song it may switch

[sweet violet]

I did this once, it wasn't exactly a duet, but it had a male and a female voice: https://suno.com/song/991fd1f5-aa86-4e0f-abb6-d292c8bcfb90

[rich obsidian]

Thanks for the answer. But it hasn't worked for 2 days. Maybe it's important to mention that I'm from Germany. I'm not the only one with the problem at the moment. I thought it might be an overload problem. But the problem still exists.

Nothing works except uploading audio and testing V4.

[faint wing]

Thank you!

[worn flicker]

Ok, that means support needs to be involved. Hope it works out.

[worn flicker]

Duets are doable, I suggest either using non gendered lyrics or create the song in sections

https://suno.com/song/6df936d8-4fc6-41a0-8a4f-b144d84f5bc0

The way to prompt it for other styles is by using things that involve duets in the style further along and tags in your lyrics

[faint wing]

https://suno.com/song/0c3f8a84-fc9d-4e4d-8051-6515ba57dd1c

I have tried everything but will keep trying

[tidal sequoia]

I noticed today that if the song is in v.4 then it automatically puts the cover in v.4 without allowing to change the cover to v.3.5. Tried it hoping that it would fix a v.4 problem, but the problem became even worse with the cover.

[outer monolith]

Do we know how many songs have been created in SUNO?

[worn flicker]

You should pin that or get it pinned

[charred merlin]

Tree(3)

[worn flicker]

I know, theharber clued me in to all the roles...lol.

Hence the get that pinned

[outer monolith]

Sorry I'm new what does that mean?

[worn flicker]

Another person on discord

[charred merlin]

geeky way of saying "infinite" -- sorry, no idea how many songs have been made on Suno, probably LOTS. I'm responsible for at least 10k 👀

[outer monolith]

Good God I just hit 500.

[naive quail]

I've had 1700 pages in my trash 😄

[tidal sequoia]

v.4 issues. I know a lot of people appear to be having problems with v.4. Here are some of the issues that I have been having repeatedly. 1. production is bad in the sense that there appears to be a lot of wind or background noise on the creation of some songs with no apparent way to fix; makes the songs useless. 2. no easy way to do v.4 cover as a v.3.5. 3. if do a replace in a v.4 song and then need to do another replaced in the same song because the replaced words are too far apart to do in one replace, it won't allow; I have done this in v.3.5 by creating a whole song with a replacement and then using that new version to replace a separate section; in v.4, the lyrics pretty much disappear for a second replace, so cannot indicate the needed change since the lyrics do not show up when highlighted. Anyone having similar issues?

[untold briar]

!

[worn flicker]

That is the first time I saw that answer it is a good work around

Should be pinned until it gets fixed just saying this will be a very common question...lol

Yes people like me, I'm on mobile and I dont see pinned unless I hit details...sooo..haha

[tidal sequoia]

Thanks. I'll give it a shot in hopes of not having to start from scratch with the song in v.3.5

[worn flicker]

Why woody can do dumb stuff but not cool stuff...lol

[charred merlin]

[worn flicker]

There are definitely bots to do it, the bot on my server does. I've had that as a security system for years. They have been way ahead of the game on discord. I'm sure people have heard of Auttaja.

So I remade a song that I did already on v3.5. I did it to see if rap would stick to a vocal. It did, but I have noticed that every time I do this song the accent is British. Female speed rapping British

[naive quail]

Or even just a FAQs channel with threads that we can #link to rather than having to type the same crap over and over.

[worn flicker]

Even male vocals are British...lol

Tells you how much weight lyrics have

It has to be the phonetic spelling of some words that sent it British

[untold briar]

Can people see https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1294418290348921007

[naive quail]

probably? I see it.

[worn flicker]

Yup

[untold briar]

It's not a prompting guide, but has some basics

[charred merlin]

lol -- DMing you something

[naive quail]

Sorry, I don't accept DMs from stranger!

[charred merlin]

[nova lodge]

we still shimmerin;?

[naive quail]

and then some

[nova lodge]

oh?

[naive quail]

still there

[tawny coyote]

[potent rock]

https://suno.com/song/ee7ecb7b-f6dd-48fa-9838-144fb1ae1650

[worn flicker]

You are wanting what Vocals?

[worn flicker]

Oh that is v4. I can't tell you anything that works consistently in v4.

[worn flicker]

I accept my own challenge...lol

[tidal sequoia]

Tried it. It did convert it to 3.5. However, when I tried to do either a cover or an edit (again hoping to fix some issues that I could not fix in 4), it converted the song back to v.4 with the same problems. I don't know if it was because the original was in v.4 or if there is now something that automatically makes any cover or edit a v.4 since I have not tried it on some of my earlier songs written in 3.5.

[toxic minnow]

Someone else ear a funny sound, that can be described as a circling sound artefact in some parts of songs REMASTERED by V4 ?

[worn flicker]

https://suno.com/song/454d4e23-3e32-48ea-9446-9a01a3372d58

It is a little off but it is swapping in v4 @potent rock

@potent rock I didn't tag it all the way through but not bad

[visual comet]

Do you guys know what the bass limit is on V4? I feel like some of my songs get saturated when it goes deep

[worn flicker]

Not sure what the model limits are. That is an interesting question. Bass going low has been a thing. Like getting a deep base singer I had to modify it outside of suno.

[visual comet]

Oh that sucks.

[worn flicker]

I am not saying can't

[tidal sequoia]

It allowed me to extend at 3.5 and then the whole song was in 3.5 when I captured whole song. However, if I then tried to cover or edit, it converted the whole song back to 4. As far as the vocals, I have had that several times in 4 where it spits out gibberish or just pulls pieces of lyrics from various verses or chorus and spins them however it wants.

[worn flicker]

I'm saying I have not seen it, but I could see v4 going that way with Vocals at least. Instruments...not so sure

In 3.5 I had no issues getting dubstep deep bass

[visual comet]

Yeah but the voice makes a difference for me

[worn flicker]

I can tell you what I haven't tried. Possibly adding barbershop quartet later in the prompt to see if you can pull out a deep bass voice from the samples.

You know how there has to be data to use to train it

You won't hear many bass level female opera singers

This was mentioned earlier in a way.#📚┃suno-school message

[tidal sequoia]

Does anybody know if the "free" covers and personas disappeared at the first rollover period? I am sure that I had "free" covers left, but when I tried doing covers with v.4 (waste of time) it took credits instead of showing how many "free" covers left (so also waste of credits).

[worn flicker]

I walked the Duet in. That is how I always did it. You get it to infer the rest or roll the dice considering this v4 I can say it is listening to tags better than v3.5

I had the same problem, I haven't tried that, I only said it was talked about. I was also getting stuck in v4. I don't remember what it was but it made me assume it was sticking me in v4 for all of the extend, replace, all that interface.

[jade mist]

Anyone knows if the devs are working to fix that stupid shimmer noise in the drums? I'm not willing to merge stems together and in that way tell devs oh, nothing needs to be done to the shimmer that ruins the drums. And if it's a watermark... well it needs to be removed still! Why didn't the testers results have the shimmer?

[worn flicker]

I know they are working on it. I can say it isn't a water mark. I can't answer about tester results.

[charred merlin]

Testers DID have the shimmer -- did you bother asking any of us? Or are you just looking for people to project your frustrations onto?

🤦‍♂️

We're not integral to the development process -- we get access to things early and occasionally get asked questions.

[finite oak]

did something changed in 3.5? I had to refine all my prompts to get the usual sound.

[dusk salmon]

I want to use 3.5

[errant wasp]

When you create a song both Version have the same lengeth...

[dusk salmon]

Can we still use 3.5? I really liked the songs I was getting. The new vocals are not matching what I had begun to rely on.

I'm 3 songs into a 12 song album plan using 3.5

[fiery geyser]

hi all. im considering to subscribing. but i wanna ask how long can i upload a song once i subscribe? basic right now is limited to 1minute. i rearranged my song in other software and i would love to try the mastering feature from what i have arranged. some of my songs are from 5minute+

im also doing a huge 13 minute so. i would love to use the persona feature to make sure the voice is consistent

[dusk salmon]

I thought I would get a choice

My new persona sounds like shit!

[charred merlin]

2m uploads on paid plans

[fiery geyser]

oh so its not that long. i seeee. thx for answering~

[dusk salmon]

It's hard enough to get consistency

I'm a paid subscriber.

Any tricks to get my persona sound back

[worn flicker]

This channel is paid subscribers for the most part

No Suno employees

[dusk salmon]

Hello?

[charred merlin]

As Sysmai mentioned, personas is only available for paid memberships -- official support can be contacted at [e-mail], which is active mon-fri, american business hours (EST).

Community members might be able to offer advice, but it's not always a guarantee.

[dusk salmon]

Ok, I think I just got 3.5 to work again

Please keep choice!

[charred merlin]

That said -- covers / personas / replace section / extends from audio uploads seem to be locked to v4 at the moment -- we can use v3x for initial generations & extensions off of those.

Beyond recreating the persona and trying to use a cropped out section that emphasizes the parts of that song that made it resonate with you, the persona would be more likely to use that clip for the future generations (still would be v4, but essentially "rerolling" the persona)

[crude jetty]

they also removed any free personas as well, I still had well over 100

[charred merlin]

(cropping out a section not only helps because it can help you choose WHICH segment of the song is used as context for the persona, but I think you can only have 1 persona per song, so this is a workaround to use the same base song for multiple persona attempts)

[fresh oxide]

Is it possible to remove a pop sound that Suno added during a generation with Suno? It ruined the song.

[merry loom]

i can't create any song, every time this coming up:

[fresh oxide]

That happens when you try and get too specific with the artist.

[fresh oxide]

That happens when you try and get too specific with the artist.

[charred merlin]

Lots of other things as well -- try using "i don't love you anymore" in the lyrics section

[fresh oxide]

That got you modded!?

[short yew]

I doubt that

I’ll make you. Banger rn

[fresh oxide]

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense

[charred merlin]

There's an overview of different stuff that can cause the song to get blocked in the article -- as always, if you're not sure WHAT is getting the song blocked, contact [e-mail]

[charred merlin]

What'll you give me when I demonstrate it? 😉

Fist bump?

[merry loom]

thanks

[short yew]

Woah

[short yew]

So far not generating its just loading lol we will see

[charred merlin]

You better be warming that fist up

(skip to the end, I didn't edit this for fast forwarding)

[lost scaffold]

I am forced to use my persona's in v4....... I am so pissed.

[short yew]

Why do they not want you typing that lol

That’s wild

[primal forum]

i got 57 mins of this

[short yew]

Bro I believe you now

Still loading

[primal forum]

the loading bit that is

[short yew]

Ngl I’m crying a bit inside XD

Why can’t this be a song

I’m a lil butthurt about it xD

[fresh oxide]

WTF!?

[charred merlin]

afaik, that lyric was blocked after the Timbaland contest, but other stuff gets blocked. It seems like the automod was updated a while back -- a lot of people started posting about that error message and saying "prompts that ALWAYS worked don't work for me anymore", and it would turn out to be like nsync in the style prompts, or explicit content

[short yew]

Bruhhh

It deleted them

I’m dead

[charred merlin]

bruh

where's my fist bump

[short yew]

I typed pixie candy shop in the lyrics once

And it said that pixies is a band

And flagged me

lol

[charred merlin]

Pixies is a band? Oh man, where is Suno's mind

[short yew]

lol idk you well but the little I know of you, I like you

You’re good shit

[charred merlin]

🫵

[short yew]

What typa music you make on suno?

[rose plank]

any fans of sabaton want to hear an attempt to voice dub joakim over a suno track

[charred merlin]

Like indie-math or something?
I have my full-length on my website (discord bio), and I'm slowly working on a follow-up (#🗣️┃chill-chat message).

I've never liked Novembers, so it's been nice to explore those feelings through music in a new way -- wrapped this up today 🙂

What about yourself?

[short yew]

I will download that and check in here in a sec, I’m intrigued by what “indie math is” and I dig your vibe

I have a general mixture of say r&b metal hip hop dubstep, hyper pop and e punk

With some dance hall and such thrown in

I got a weird taste

If you’re ever bored check out Garbage Music. (With the period) on SoundCloud

Image is a guy with a pink ski mask

[charred merlin]

I keep forgetting audio files can be annoying for mobile -- I'll swap it out for an embedded video to make it easier

[short yew]

I’m a poet mostly but very into hip hop/rap and rhyming

[short yew]

Damn thanks I actually appreciate that cuz I’m fairly lazy

I was going to download it anyways but I’m deffs more down with that for now XD

It’s a chore on a phone

I was just Guna do it on laptop in a bit instead XD

Some of my songs I had to use phonetics

To bypass the mods

lol

[grim furnace]

Can I ask for help?

[tidal sequoia]

Sounds like a poor business decision to force the use of a beta version for covers/personas/replace section/extends. Beta means there are still problems. Why force users to have to create potential problems, v.4, in something that they were getting to work, v.3.5?

[glad oyster]

I don't know if it's my delusion or how v4 seems to have improved today.

[grim furnace]

I can't change Version in Replace Section.

[short yew]

“BDE like I got kongs dingk
Let’s see whatcha mom tinks
I know she got dom kingks
She send me some bomb links
Side eye and a calm wink
Code een gimme long blink
Pass out in a Tom pink
Wake up where the dog drinks

[short yew]

What up

[grim furnace]

Clicking V4 for a drop down does nothing.

[charred merlin]

replace / covers / personas / extend from audio upload are locked to v4 at the moment -- hoping it gets reverted 🙏

[short yew]

I went back to using 3.5 for now ngl

I like the style I been getting

[short yew]

That’s wack

Glad I’m not using my personas yet now lol

[grim furnace]

Don't need it reverted, need the option to choose like in create.

.<

[tawny coyote]

Extend is now V3.5 too 🙂

[charred merlin]

@short yew here's the track from the .wav I posted earlier

[short yew]

Btw every song on “Garbage Music.” was made by me with suno and FL and a couple post edit tweaks (sometimes)

[tidal sequoia]

By "pop sound" do you mean an intermittent wind or similar sound? That might be what people are calling the "shimmer" but not certain. I have had it on v.4 songs and have been unable to get rid of it.

[charred merlin]

extend from audio upload is locked to v4, at least new uploads

[short yew]

Back ground high hat kinda metronome thing

[short yew]

SO LAME

[tawny coyote]

My uploaded audio is old, it's true.

[charred merlin]

"revert" == "change the fact that we're locked to v4 for these features"

You can use v3x for original uploads, extensions from those -- or as @tawny coyote kindly tested for us, extending from older uploads seems to be cool (presumably anything uploaded prior to v4 launch)

I think we figured out that you can crop a song & extend it with v3.5 though? Lemme doublecheck that

[nova lodge]

I have a fun little AI thing. I uploaded a clip from a DDR song. Definitely a clip, didnt have the intro, bridge, etc. I did some cover generations on it, and a lot of them werent that great, one was ok. But one... one was really interesting. It actually pulled the whole DDR song and that was the cover. It had the intro, but it was missing the bridge still, it stitched together the rest. But yeah, it took the clip I uploaded, found the song itself, and thats what it gave me

[tidal sequoia]

I got that message once. I checked and there were no curse words. But the title of the song had "stupid" in it. I changed the title of the song and Suno had no problem generating songs, even though the word "stupid" was used throughout the lyrics.

[grim furnace]

Ahh, but I'm trying to replace section. (because I forgot a letter.) and the song is in v3.5.

And doing the replace in v4, just changes the entire sound of the song.

And it's not as punchy.

[short yew]

I am loving this vibe, very smooth, very laid back

Very different from what I been making xD

But I really like it

[charred merlin]

lmao -- okay -- you can extend from audio uploads -- just crop the entire song, and you're able to extend from the crop

[short yew]

That’s wild actually

[crude jetty]

very much still can, thankfully

[short yew]

Making waves lol

[short yew]

Can I dm you a link lol

Very polar opposite to what you sent me but I want you to hear it

[solemn lintel]

Any tips on how to get Suno to actually follow instructions on which verses are sung by male or female voices in duets?

[random brook]

Do you think Suno will ever fix the issue where songs cut off before they are finished yet there is time left before 4 minutes? Every new version 4 song ends at 3:15 and I have to use more credits to add in the last few lines, which should not have to be the case if they really programmed the songs to extend up to 4 minutes if need be. I like the sounds I am getting but when I extend it makes mistakes or often just won't end the song.

[solemn lintel]

That's weird. Every single v4 song I do is 3:14.

[rapid bluff]

anyone else getting the old "this is a fake app" lyrics added into their songs out of the blue

[random brook]

I don't think it's my prompt and I've heard other songs Reddit mention that's what they're getting 3:14

Okay thank you

What does [Vamp} mean?

Thank you for the link

[coral epoch]

Repetition

[random brook]

Than you, that worked!

[untold briar]

I used "vamp" to prompt improv, didn't even know it also had that other meaning, interesting

[fast hull]

So I just tried v4, why does every drum sound like its recorded inside a trashcan?

[rose plank]

cool voicedub powerwolf attempt

[tidal sequoia]

v4 trashcan. I see what you did there.

[fast hull]

It was an honest question 😄

[rose plank]

what do yall think of the voicedub for that track

[fast hull]

also the inputs are funny, "create a beginner pinno track to play along" and it basically recreates the moonlight sonata on drugs

so that was obliviously part of the training data 😄

it did work well with 3.5

v4 basically sounds like a mashup of all classics on the highest speed they could put it xD

[rose plank]

are you using meta tags?

[fast hull]

"Piano, minor key, slow, easy progression" what I used on 3.5 and reused on 4

[rose plank]

power wolf is a band i used a voice dubber to dub the suno lyrics with the lead singer of powerwolf

i can send you a link to a track for comparison

[vivid wasp]

Any suggestions on how to make an extension do a quick 20 sec end? I ran 6 generations and they're all 1:30 +. I tried "end" in both the lyrics and style boxes

[ornate spire]

Nice trick to make slower melodic psytrance tracks that don't start with an immediate 200bpm beat.

Don't put psytrance in the original style. Start off with an Instrumental track, then "extend" from where the psytrance should drop.

Example: https://suno.com/song/eabb6d3b-73a2-4dd6-aa04-967f97718901 30 second mark the prompt abruptly changes

[rose plank]

yes it replaces the voice with another

i trained a model on attila

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S0-oP9JsL0

thats the singer very talented

[ornate spire]

The usual advice was to use 3.0 for ending tracks sooner but... yeah

[cedar sun]

What is it about V4 that makes it so noisy with so many cymbal sounds?

[rose plank]

https://suno.com/song/f1eba34b-9275-4a2f-9069-94447e90b05d this is the original

also has some good examples of meta tags

[tidal sequoia]

my extends are often produced longer than I want. I used to try crop to shorten. now I generally download and use audacity to get to an ending I want

[daring talon]

We'll see , other than the g, g, g, g, g, glitched buffer bit crush bugaloo

Should be fine soon

[near tangle]

trying to edit lyrics on a remastered v3 to v4, but I get mess. thoughts? tips? suggestions?

[bronze sail]

Hmmm, define mess.

In the audio or with editing the lyrics themselves?

[near tangle]

in the audio. it tries to mix the previous lyrics with the new ones

like it's confused on which word it's supposed to be singing

[bronze sail]

Huh, how many words are you trying to change? Is it a few lines, a section, or a handful of words?

[near tangle]

variable. the new lyrics follow the flow of the old ones closely, but they are relatively different

all I'm trying to do is change the lyrics on this song and remaster it. https://suno.com/song/b1f69c12-50cf-46ba-9286-c395226b204f

[bronze sail]

I know v4 is buggy, so it could be a bug that'll work itself out. If your new lyrics follow the same flow, then it could just be an issue on the AI's part and there may not be much you can do on your end at the moment, which sucks. However, I'm not an expert in the slightest, so don't trust my word too closely, there might be another work around that I haven't heard yet.

I've also found that the AI works better on some days than others, so trying again tomorrow is also something you could look into as well.

[rose plank]

another voice dub same voice

[bronze sail]

Speaking of bugs, has anyone had the AI go off the rails? I've had v4 do this twice, and this time it scared the heck out of me coming from such a soft song.

https://suno.com/song/b001ffa7-7730-4e06-8056-cb51838dc5a4

[vivid wasp]

Appreciate it

[near tangle]

the lyrics fit more closely to what the song is about, so yes and no?

[tidal sequoia]

Yes, several times. Seems mostly when I try to add something short in an extension and it throws in a bunch of gibberish and talking in order to fill up time. In 3.5, I had it do this a few times but then it was usually someone yelling a bunch of curse words, words that I understand would not be permitted if you tried to include them in lyrics for Suno. Maybe it's the AI trying to show it developers who the boss is.

[pure sorrel]

I can't get over the metallic shimmering that happens 90% of the time

[bronze sail]

Yeah, I saw it a handful of times when v3.5 was first released, but it caught me off guard in v4.

[bronze sail]

I've heard about this, but I have yet to hear it myself.

What is this "shimmering"?

[pure sorrel]

It's this warbling undertone that sounds like dropping quarters down a giant alluminum tube

It happens at a specific frequency in nearly every song. People have posted great examples yesterday of it.

A guy made a guide for it: https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1309224710692929548

[bronze sail]

I'm looking into the search bar for Discord, and the closest thing I could find was a song explaining how it sounds, and other things describing how to fix it.

[pure sorrel]

I'll try to just create something for you

it happens nearly every time for me lol

It's obvious here. Not the most obvious I've heard, but it's there.

It's a warble that's about 20% volume of the song. Very obvious at 00:16, 00:26

[meager lance]

i came here just now to see if anyone was talking about it. happens in almost every single generation for me

[pure sorrel]

Oh jeez 02:22

It's mind numbing

What's worse is that if It appears half way through the song, if I regenerate an extention of the song maybe 10-12 times it may go away for another section. So it's quite a credit dump

[meager lance]

so gross lol. sounds like 8-bit video game music gone wrong in the background of every song

[pure sorrel]

v4 isn't simply 3.5+ though

Unless you are saying that uses the 4.0 model and somehow bypasses the shimmer issue without changing to 3.5

[meager lance]

apparently there's a workaround and your songs aren't ruined https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1309224710692929548

[pure sorrel]

I am not sure what you are suggesting then. You agree 3.5 and 4.0 function very differently, but then said it is literally still 3.5 even though it says 4?

@meager lance Sadly, I downloaded the WAV of this song as well, and it sitll has the shimmer. Doesn't seem to be working.

[meager lance]

hmm. i haven't tried it. hopefully suno just fixes it soon

[pure sorrel]

I am not sure how it can be fixed. It's an entire model trained on certain parameters. Likely baked deep into it's learning algorithms.

Oh I agree 3.5 was not changed.

other than maybe minor EQ adjustments with post-process AI adjustments.

[eager topaz]

In my experience, the "shimmer" (I call it "hash!") has been present for a long time.

I've rejected almost everything I've made in Suno since April this year because of the shimmer/hash. I've been a subscriber for 11 months, so I know Suno pretty well.

[pure sorrel]

I don't disagree that a form of shimmering/"hash" has existed prior to v4. But it was buried very deep in the audio; maybe 5% volume at worst. Now it's a good third of the song, likely do to the way certain frequencies are balanced in this new v.

Also nothing that a little post-processing couldn't improve. But this new form is untennable.

[radiant breach]

V4 quality is shit and we are lcoked into it with the personas. Haven't been able to make music for 3 days now. Love this!!!!!

Give us personas with 3.5 back.....

I don't want v4

Jfc

[unreal quail]

What's this shimmer sound? Anyone have a sample

[pure sorrel]

I posted a light example above

[unreal quail]

Oh the funky wobbly back ground noise?

[pure sorrel]

yup, sounds metallic

like a tremelo reverb added to whacking two alluminum tubes together

[cedar sun]

poor quality of V4 is something that can be discovered with a few prototypes. developers advertised this as a great thing.

[unreal quail]

Yeah. I noticed it on the old V as well.

[radiant breach]

Idk why I still waste my credits hoping a remaster will sound good. I've downvoted at least 200 songs at this point maybe more. Whatever 5,000 credits is worth. Gone done the drain.

[pure sorrel]

I personally find it a shame because of the 100 bad generations I get, at least one really stands above the rest; previous version and all.

But it's like throwing a hundred balls at the wall and hoping one sticks right where you want it to land. Very frustrating that this would be pushed out with such a glaring flaw.

[radiant breach]

I haven't had 1 usable gen

[pure sorrel]

Speaks to how absurdly lucky I've gotten then on the 1:100 ratio lol.

[rustic lion]

Is it possible to remove a certain section of my song such as the instrumental part

[pure sorrel]

Unfortunately nothing aside from trimming songs. Doesn't have in-edits like competitors at the moment.

[rustic lion]

ooo okay

[unreal quail]

Does the shimmer transfer over on Stems?

[pure sorrel]

It did for me the couple times I tested it yesterday

[patent yoke]

I dunno why lol but all remasters are now great lmao

[untold briar]

Some people find that generating Suno stems, downloading wavs, and recombining wavs removes or reduces shimmer, and does not hurt the audio quality much so they prefer the compromise. See: https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1309224710692929548 for examples. (You lose some stereo and high end, etc, but some songs sound a lot better).

[radiant breach]

I miss when I could just download the generation and be set

[raven turtle]

V4 covers isn't working here...

[ashen tulip]

Seems there is no male voices on the servers tonight 😭🤣

[robust ermine]

does anyone know which timezone Suno uses for calculating subscription end time? It says cancel date Nov 22 for me, but it's still active (I want it to cancel)

oh. that would make sense, thx

then I'll have to wait for 8 more hours 😭

figured I could check via browser console. And yeah, you seem to be right

[tidal fable]

Hi! how can I reach someone to check an IT issue? It's been a few days that I cannot generate songs

[ashen tulip]

Im trying to prompt jersey club style beats but suno doesn't know what i mean can anyone help or suggest?

yeah ive just been making short demos on my own and using suno to extend but was hoping there was an easier way

[wary stratus]

That's right, it's blocked. I tried with another account that I have without a paid subscription, and when extending an upload it does so in 3.5 because V4 is only for premium members.

It's a shame, because using extender with V3.5 does a good job of extending songs with our own voice, which V4 doesn't do 😦

[ashen tulip]

It just worked for me that's so weird

[wary stratus]

Well, after spending half of the month's credits, I haven't been able to get the V4 extension of an upload where I sing to extend the song with my own voice. In V3.5 it really seemed like what Suno created, I sang it myself :).

I'll try again in a while, in case they've changed anything since yesterday. Thanks for the comment.

And it also doesn't let me select another version other than V4 when extending the upload 😦

[unreal quail]

Yeah mine is forced V4 also. Unable to bypass the extension of any uploaded audio

[robust ermine]

good time to downgrade lol

[copper cloud]

It keeps pronouncing compassionate as compassion-ate. How do I get it to pronounce it properly? 😭 How do I spell it so it pronounces it properly 😭

[outer cosmos]

no way. wait for next update.

[spice eagle]

The shimmer sound example..

[copper cloud]

😭

Oh I finally was able to generate one with it being pronounced properly

[sweet wigeon]

v3.5 I have wonderful poetic song but I cannot manage to tell to Suno to start with male voice - I added the instruction into styles. Do you know why this happens? It always starts with male voice. I change style instructions from "man" to "boy" and from "woman" to girl, the difference is less visible now. So the problem is in the begin of the song only: https://suno.com/song/6c7778cc-f72f-4bbe-afe1-715d94e36b7c

[hollow hare]

I tried to make a spoken word style of music to Test the accent but... failed. Hopefully you can hear the one you like at
https://suno.com/song/59bf782f-f186-4b29-b94e-806ba9d50a9b
https://suno.com/song/b876588e-a638-456c-8909-b780e8c36ffb

[unreal quail]

Oh OK yeah for sure. I have a couple like that. Old v had it too, but wasn't as noticeable. Maybe v4's making the sounds crisper created bigger dead noise spaces that the shimmer likes to live it. It no longer lurks in the shadows.

It's a feature, not a bug 👍

[tiny falcon]

I think when V4 try to make crisper sound, it tend to generate statics noise in the background and adding too much reverse on the drum too

[robust ermine]

just tried extending from a v3.5 clip and it lets me choose between 3.5 and 4, and it does seem to work. Well, at least for me. But that’s not an upload — maybe that’s the reason.

[unreal quail]

The upload is the issue. Locks in v4 when extending.

[round bobcat]

Last night someone posted an example like this: (Male - Verse 1)
(Female)
(Both - Pre-Chorus)
(Both - Chorus)
(Male)
(Breakdown - Both)
(Outro - Both, softly)

Maybe this helps if you adapt it to your purposes.

[unreal quail]

I find using the [] minimize Suno from using whatever is bracketed as lyrics.

[wary stratus]

Correct, the upload is the one that doesn't let you change the version. Although it would be nice if you could select the version you want, I would like V4 to extend my voice better than v3.5 hehe

[weary fractal]

Hi does anybody know how to make stick to specific reference style?

[tardy coral]

insane.. damn. v4 insane

[outer cosmos]

suno 4 is best update...... sorry its dream

[wanton dagger]

V4 is useless until they get rid of the helicopter/shimmer/echo thing in every single song.

[agile cypress]

well another day cannot generate any single song, throwing errors (V 3.5)

[cobalt thistle]

When will the shimmer backround sound be removed?

[tardy coral]

i created a new suno account and everything works better. obviously doesnt make any sense, but it is what it is

[solid bloom]

has someone managed to deal with accents consistently? I am trying brazilian portuguese, but some words just keep sounding like portugal accent. Does it happen in other languages?

[outer cosmos]

how it is possible.

[charred merlin]

Crop the song & you can continue in v3x -- don't even need to remove any content "crop" the entire song

[tardy coral]

no idea. maybe accounts get allocated to different servers

[charred merlin]

Can you elaborate on what "works better"?

[charred merlin]

What errors are you getting? "Stuck while generating"?

[tardy coral]

i often get errors and refunds on my previous account. and lots of shimmer. my new account v4 is generating without errors and less shimmer

its probably just random luck

[agile cypress]

yes, grey circle for a moment, then error, "couldnt generate, credits not taken, try again" and later "Wait till generation is finished"

[charred merlin]

We can still extend from uploads in v3.5 -- crop the track first

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message -- the error message usually means that something you're using as a style prompt or lyrics is being blocked for moderation.

It doesn't fail immediately, and you can only have a certain number of generations active at once -- sounds like something might be flagged in the song you're attempting to make

[agile cypress]

prompt is in simple mode: retrowave, synthwave, instrumental

[charred merlin]

That's definitely odd, I'm getting no issue generating that for v3.5 -- if it persists, you might need to contact [e-mail] so they can investigate the matter & try to resolve it 🙏

[unique stone]

Oh interesting. Good workaround.

[wary stratus]

Oh, it works! Thanks so much for the help!

[crisp mist]

Any tags to remove the weird hi-hat/cymbal noises that v4 generates?

v4:
https://suno.com/song/7a2b7609-a974-4f7d-abda-89b12c9cb44e

v3.5:
https://suno.com/song/01a6dc3f-4a24-4e76-9aba-1094f4fb0cfb

(And yeah I know about the lyrics glitch "Electric car battery bad" at least in v3.5 it sounds a bit better 😛 And the guy who its actually is made for likes it, so I don't care 😛 )

It seems like it's still present but very low and in the background in v3.5.

[smoky ferry]

Any solution for the noise in v4?

[elfin dome]

No. The solution is on the devs who needs to fix it asap!

[cold zenith]

does the replace section works?

[crisp mist]

I've had it work yes...

[cold zenith]

could u help me please, everytimes i'm trying to make it work it don't. I can't click on the blue button

[crisp mist]

Are you selecting at least 10 seconds of song to replace?

[cold zenith]

oooo

maybe that's the reason...

[chilly leaf]

The ringing is driving me insane

[crisp mist]

Thank god it's not only on my side 😛

[chilly leaf]

Its even worse than the "shoo" in 3.5 and 3

[cold zenith]

it was that !!!! thx a lot

[crisp mist]

Happy to help! 🙂

[woeful delta]

For the noise/shimmer, try this until a real solution comes from Suno...
https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1309224710692929548

[crisp mist]

"shoo"? I don't think I've heard that and now with the ringing I don't think I want to find it 😛

[chilly leaf]

Mainly in very bass heavy quiet parts

Sounds like its fixed in v4, but there are other sounds now instead

[past hornet]

Anyone noticed weird background noise in all v4 renders?

[charred merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-stinky-diaper-spongebob-trash-hmmmm-hmph-gif-23089008
#1308499132356362383 a few people have, yeah

[chilly leaf]

Doesnt actually fix it in my songs, rip

[woeful delta]

I had to remaster one bc of that, then it worked better.
It's not a solution, it's a quick fix for now...

It's sad that we are not having any answers about that 😞

[chilly leaf]

Guess I'll just save my credits for 2-3 weeks

[woeful delta]

Do you think they'll fix it by then?

[charred merlin]

If you go back to your v3x songs, it was still present then -- it's just more noticeable in the current iteration of v4 (both pronounced, and the general audio quality has improved so you can make out more undesirable definition in the noise, whereas it was just "noise" before that your brain would tune out if you weren't looking for specific sounds like a "shimmering")

The devs are working on a fix, but since it's not a new issue, it's not likely to be a matter of finding the smoking gun, or flipping a switch

If people keep downvoting songs with particularly bad shimmer, and using ... > Report > Bugs > Poor Audio Quality, that's taking a proactive stance and helping them train it out of the next optimizations hopefully 💪

[chilly leaf]

No, but I'm not wasting my credits as is 😔

[unreal quail]

Pure genius!

[crisp mist]

Just tried this, and it worked 🙂 Thank you 🙂

[woeful delta]

I'm glad it works for some

[chilly leaf]

I can still create in 3.5 without any workaround tho, is it because I disabled my subscription or what 🤔

[woeful delta]

My sub will end tomorrow and I still have credits left so I'm making the most of it anyway...

[radiant breach]

We have to pay to do their job

[charred merlin]

…you’re coding?

[radiant breach]

Lmfao I should've just blocker you

Bye

[charred merlin]

Giving user feedback on a beta version isn’t the same as “doing a job”.

Clicking 👎 isn’t the same as ML development 🙄

[charred merlin]

You can still create in v3x regardless, it’s just the new features are locked to v4 (with the exception of Audio uploads, which we figured out can be worked around)

[full root]

Hey guys, have there been any news or respond of the devs about v4? like how long more or less would it take to fix/improve current state...

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message

Tldr; they’re working on it, but it’s legit been around since v3, so it’s not a matter of “turning it off”

[full root]

alright, hope we can have an update 2w or 1month

[charred merlin]

@chilly leaf — seeing as how free plans don’t have persona / cover / replace section, did you mean you weren’t able to use v3x for normal song generations on a paid plan?

[charred merlin]

They were working FAST yesterday, genuinely impressed.

That said, impressive results on a couple demonstrated songs doesn’t mean that it will work for every use case — I imagine they’ll want to wait to release an update until they’re confident it will be a marked improvement across the board — but “no news” doesn’t always mean “bad news”. It’s unfortunate, and I certainly would love to know more about development, but it’s understandable 🤷‍♂️

[smoky summit]

https://suno.com/song/b0fb6870-096b-42c1-9503-b9b78e521c1e help! I feel like it’s not quite there. Is it Christmasy enough? Is the story told in a way the message will actually be heard? This story, this song needs to be a hit. It needs to be heard. It’s about me and my kids

How do I make it better ?

[jade mist]

Good they are working on it. Currently the shimmer is so bad on all drum songs it’s unusable

[full root]

All cool, i understand as well. Keep working hard team dev

[smoky summit]

https://suno.com/song/8f928041-98d5-4ae2-8cc8-054a9ee89959 I like this version too but the chorus voice is awful

I need pro prompts to tweak

[charred merlin]

Cymbals, crowd noise -- really anything that would cause the audio levels to peak seems to be washed into that effect.

I know the anecdote doesn't "fix it sooner", but it's not just a small thing that a couple devs are working on -- the bigwigs & hotshots are paying attention.

They've been too busy to chat, but I don't think they're stoked about it either 😅

[kindred shard]

Check my message, seems to work really well for me: #1309224710692929548 message

[charred merlin]

I think it's pretty good as is -- what would you want to change about it?

[kindred shard]

Thank god, I am back with metal genning finally!

[woeful delta]

The worse case of shimmer I've heard was in an instrumental V4... A very relaxing one

Something has been triggering it for a while (since V3? But there and on V3.5 was less noticeable bc of all the noise masking it)

[warped laurel]

my sunno doesn't want to remaster v3.5 songs from one specific account,always get this.

[crisp mist]

Yeah I had to listen carefully to actually hear it on the v3.5 versions...

[charred merlin]

You should only be able to remaster songs from your own account/library -- you could attempt to crop the song & remaster that result, but if the issue persists, you might need to contact [e-mail] with the link to the song you're trying to remaster so they can investigate properly 🙏

[warped laurel]

Thanks, i'm gonna do that. And yes, i'm remastering my own songs, i have two accounts, remaster feature works on the first one, but doesn't work on the second one, it's so wierd.

I have tried to remaster not just one song, but 10 different songs, it's always just silence, or just a guy talking in a wierd way, or completly new songs.

[charred merlin]

Ahhh -- I understand -- if you find that it's the same results from all songs from that account, it might be further indication to contact the support to team to look into something account-based

[warped laurel]

Thanks for the help!

[chilly leaf]

Uh, not sure. In the very beginning I was actually locked to V4 only during the huge lag issues, but that happened after I cancelled as well, as I just bought one month and cancelled.

[woeful delta]

I actually can't create anything with 3.5...

[spiral bane]

V4 can’t do cymbals properly…. 👀

[digital moss]

Me too, did u find any solution?

[charred merlin]

Are you prevented from using v3.5 for initial generations or extensions?

Only covers / personas/ replace section are locked to v4 -- with audio uploads, you can crop out the entire selection & it makes it available for extending with v3x again

[plucky isle]

Anyone else having issues with 4.0 today? Every song I generate cuts out at 3:14 exactly, right in the middle of a verse

[toxic ridge]

Any good chatgpt prompts for coming up with styles of music?

[plucky isle]

FInd a song you like, then ask Chat GPT to describe the genre

[charred merlin]

3:14 seems to be a soft-limit for initial generations /w v4 atm covers/persona?

[plucky isle]

I have a few that are 4 minutes that generated yesterday

[charred merlin]

true, true -- might have misremembered what the soft-limit was tied to -- covers?

[plucky isle]

Not sure. Im using a persona, but I was using the same one yesterday and it worked.

It sucks because I've spent a ton of credits now to get the perfect arrangement, but it cuts out mid chorus

[charred merlin]

Could always extend and continue the song?

[plucky isle]

I tried that, but it didnt really work well. I can try again, but I'm worried about using up all my credits now and not getting anything lol

[unique stone]

Covers and personas have always been shorter than the 4 min limit. It used to be 3:05-3:20 ish. In v4 it seems to aim for 3:14

[plucky isle]

Thats annoying. I finally generated the perfect song, and another 30 seconds would have finished it... Now it just.... cuts out 😦

[charred merlin]

I never had that issue, tbh

[plucky isle]

MIght be a persona specific thing then?

[charred merlin]

Personas seem to use a clip from the song they're based on in order to continue the style -- the length of the clip varies from persona to persona.

No idea how it determines WHICH clip it uses or how long it will be, but if your persona uses a 15s clip, that persona has a max limit of 3m45s

(This is how it NORMALLY works. We need to wait for things to get fixed in v4)

[unreal quail]

ohhhh

[plucky isle]

Lovely, now I'm getting DM requests from a user that just joined and hasnt ever posted anything

#blocked

[unreal quail]

well shit - so make a song using the persona - then a persona on top of that persona to get beyond the 3:45?

[toxic ridge]

Why is v4 locked to 3:14 with covers/personas?

[plucky isle]

Its not supposed to be I think? V4 lists 4 minutes, and nowhere does it say that personas/covers lower that

[charred merlin]

It's a bug. 🙏

[outer cosmos]

95% bug in v4. how alpha users give them positive feedback. beta version still in alpha.

[charred merlin]

The 3:45 was just an example I gave if you used a 15s long clip to make a persona (or if Suno only used 15s of the full song you gave it)

"Going beyond that" in terms of making a longer song is done by extending & using "get whole song" -- trying to add a couple second seconds into the generation would be making a new persona

[charred merlin]

@outer cosmos -- are you under the assumption that the alpha users were not telling the devs about "the shimmer"?

I am a very community-forward alpha member who is willing to answer questions. If you have questions about what the alpha team does, or how important their feedback apparently is, please ask.

[outer cosmos]

not like that. we know alpha users may suggest them. but not shimmer lot of problems. they may be ignore ginuine alpha users and beleive in some other alpha users only

[outer cosmos]

ohhh. really sorry if feel bad.

[charred merlin]

they may ignore genuine alpha users and believe in some others only
I cannot comment on how they value our feedback, but all of us mentioned the same thing 😛

[outer cosmos]

everyone is trying but not getting proper output. just spending credits

[plucky isle]

Ok, Im gonna try to crop the song to a good restarting point, then extending it.

[charred merlin]

It might seem like we "have our head in the sand", and are ignoring all of the complaints -- it's just that we see how hard the devs are working to fix a problem that might not have "an easy answer" 🤔

There is a LOT to be disappointed with, from the prominence of the shimmer, to features (beta and full-release) being locked behind v4 -- but I have faith, especially after seeing the rapid response from the devs (hoping that work translates into something that can be released to the public soon 🤞)

[outer cosmos]

Sir, pronunciation is the main problem. is there any solution if you have. it will help us

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308617723328204880 I know the moderator Jonathan Fly has created a thread for gathering issues with pronunciation 🙏

[plucky isle]

Ok that seems to have worked

Wasted some credits sadly but the song is complete

[outer cosmos]

if possible. please request to them on behalf of us as give access 3.5 only. do not force to v4

[charred merlin]

It can help to break the word into phonetics -- if Suno pronounces "bagel" as "baggle", you could type "bay-gull" and while it LOOKS silly, it SOUNDS correct 😄

[plucky isle]

Looks silly, but you can edit lyrics after

[outer cosmos]

will try it 👍

[plucky isle]

Oh darn

When you crop and extend, the song is no longer tied to the persona

[charred merlin]

Extend uses the preceding clip as context to continue from -- if you don't add different style prompts & just add lyrics, it'll infer the style from the first clip -- so I'd imagine if there's a strong enough melody to "hook onto", it should be able to continue it relatively within the same style?

[plucky isle]

YEah, it worked fine. SOng is complete now, but if you search by persona, its not part of it

[stuck basin]

Hmm, I'm just testing out V4 now, the vocals are 'good', but I'm having a hard time getting the style I prefer, which is 'imperfect' basically. Intentional voice cracks, reverb etc. I can only seem to get 'perfect vocals'. I'll have to do some more testing.

[charred merlin]

Oh, very true, thanks for pointing that out -- I don't pay attention to the social-media side of Suno, so I forget about stuff like that. Whether it's for promotion, or even just organizational purposes, I can understand why that would stink to start a song off with a persona but not have it show up afterward.

[plucky isle]

Yeah. Its nice to be able to share the persona and basically have a full album. ANything cropped/extended from a song made with a persona should stay tied to that persona

[charred merlin]

I really had to reapproach my prompting style. I find that using the longer prompt-chains I relied on for v3x sometimes overwhelms what I'm trying to get -- v4 seems like it might be smarter in that regards

[plucky isle]

Ok, playlist it is for jnow

[rose plank]

I'ma need you to cite your source for that cause the only thing I hear is criticism and some positive feedback is good let's them know what people actually like about the model

[plucky isle]

His source is "Trust me bro"

[rose plank]

Also if you extend the best way to make sure it blends better is to remaster it after I did this by starting with a v2 model then extended using a v4 which has better ability for context then I remastered it to blend it better

Iv been having a good time voice dubbing the suno tracks as well I have a couple examples in here with powerwolf

#📚┃suno-school message

[plucky isle]

Im wasting so many credits having to crop the 3:14 version, then extend it.... 😦

[woeful delta]

I can't generate with 3.5 in genetal, nor extend V4 songs with 3.5

[woeful delta]

I'm guessing you used a persona to make those songs...

[plucky isle]

Yeah

[rose plank]

Tho the voice has some noise over it I find dubbing a real voice adds some realistic inflection

[woeful delta]

That happens always... Don't know why

[plucky isle]

All of the songs only needed like another 30 seconds. So annoying

[woeful delta]

It is frustrating

[plucky isle]

It removes the Persona tag each time too. Extra annoying

But I have no other option

[rose plank]

I don't get good results with persona still pretty crude

Anyone listen to the track I voice dubbed

[plucky isle]

Ive gotten pretty good results

[stuck basin]

That helped a little, thanks! I'll still have to do more testing to find out how to get exactly the style I like again.

[rose plank]

It could also be I wasn't using a good base song

[plucky isle]

Once I finish these few crops/extends, I'll share the playlist I got from using a Persona

[rose plank]

Nice

[plucky isle]

Note, the songs are pretty dark/depressing. I was going for an "Evanescence" type vibe lol

[rose plank]

You should check out that track I linked earlier v4 takes pretty well to voice dubbing

[charred merlin]

What happens if you try to do this? Not covering or using personas

(use the lyrics/styles you want you, but just wondering what is different when you attempt)

[woeful delta]

🤣 It worked NOW and bye-bye credits bc I didn't put any lyrics lol

And I can extend.
I couldn't yesterday nor before for some reason

[grave stump]

any word on them solving the weird sound effect in the background? i got something good and then i hear this weird static in the back

[woeful delta]

No solution yet but you could try this...
https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1309224710692929548

[plucky isle]

Ok, here's the few I've done with the Persona. Sadly anything done with V4 needed cropping, extending, and "Get full song" wasting credits each time.
https://suno.com/playlist/0260a3f3-8d0a-4e60-83ba-e87d0c91d4fb

[unique stone]

I may be missing something but does this have an impact on what gets generated? I rarely use personas but always assumed they were used to kind of "seed" part 1 with context, then extensions use the context of the previous part so should pick up elements of the persona from that automatically.

[plucky isle]

Not really. Its just when you make a song public that used a Persona, people can click the Persona and get a list of all the public songs made through it

SO those songs are now dropped from filtering songs by that persona

[charred merlin]

@unique stone we're cut from the same cloth

[unique stone]

Ah ok so it's more the song management aspect of this that is a bug, rather than extension audio being broken. I see the time limit being reported as a bug so wasn't sure if there was an issue actually extending.

[rose plank]

check this out dubbed with a v2 attila trained model

[plucky isle]

Nah, if you check the playlist I posted up higher, those were all extended. Worked fine that way. Just had to crop to a place that made sense, then extend, then combine full song

[rose plank]

think i need to add more data of attila using a lower register for the more speech like sections to sound less robotic

cause the chorus sounds cleaner

[unique stone]

Yeah I approach Suno 99% as if it were just a tool or instrument so can be a bit oblivious to this kind of stuff. The stuff I make public doesn't even have custom artwork most of the time. I have some vague playlists etc. but almost everything else is private and for my own use.

[visual comet]

Is there a way to extend a song properly? Every single time I try to extend the blending between the two tracks isn’t happening and the extended version doesn’t have a fade or anything ending the song

[plucky isle]

Thats normally how I use it too, but I wanted to make an easy way to share this persona with friends.

[rose plank]

https://suno.com/playlist/a740715b-45a6-43ec-b7b1-a21d6f448fd6 i do some album projects using a conlang i had made

[plucky isle]

Crop the song first to a place that makes sens to continue from. If it continues mid verse it will be iffy

[unique stone]

Ah, so you're using playlists as a sort of work around for this to group songs per persona? (Per per per...)

[plucky isle]

Yeah.

[visual comet]

😆 Oh I wonder if you could make an elvish song now

[unkempt fractal]

Did the shimmering voice disappear?

[mortal belfry]

Anyone else getting *** A clip got stuck while generating.*** ?
Created a song and it worked but after 4 tries (aka 8 songs) thats all I am getting now

[rose plank]

that album i did was before personas so i had to burn some creds for consistant voice

[visual comet]

Hey Suno, make a song from the Lothlorien about elves playing water polo

[winged perch]

So, uhm, i just opened Suno on my PC and i saw this. I don't remember doing this at all, does anyone have a explanation for this? I'm not complaining, i'm just confused

There was no "Full Song" at all this morning

Did Suno AI do that?

If so, how?

[visual comet]

Yeah but the cropping tool sucks

[plucky isle]

Its not great but will generally do the trick

[winged perch]

Does anyone have the same happen to them?

[plucky isle]

Did you at any point extend a song and use "get full song"?

[winged perch]

You can do that?

[plucky isle]

You can

[winged perch]

I only knew about "Extend Song"

When was the "Get full song" added?

[plucky isle]

On the extended part, click the options and create->get full song

[rose plank]

https://suno.com/song/274d11e2-8eef-409e-988d-974d79fb9568 heres a v2 to v4 test

[plucky isle]

I think at the same time extend was added

[winged perch]

Odd, never knew it was a thing

Oh well, it's cool

[unique stone]

It's been an option for roughly a year? I think.
It's how you make longer songs and join 'em together 🙂

[plucky isle]

Or get around the 3:14 v4 limit lol

[worn flicker]

Shimmers in Vocals hasn't been an issue in v4

[radiant breach]

Day 4 of not being able to make music. Thanks Suno!

[unkempt fractal]

Oh yes, since it was launched, there is a shimmering background noise on every single track

[wanton dagger]

Aside from the shimmer just as V3.5 did on release V4 seems to have "Forgotten" a lot of subgenres in the "Metal/rock" categories, the old prompts that gave gold before now just give generic crap.

[worn flicker]

Background and instruments yes. Vocals no

[worn flicker]

Make a stem and listen to the vocals

[blissful mulch]

Hi, I wanted to ask you why with every music I create in the "lofi" style there are always crackling noises, unbearable background noise, cracking wood, a kind of wind blowing, while the melody and the rest is perfect but this noise in the background ruins everything, thanks in advance to those who have an answer or a way to resolve the problem

[unkempt fractal]

I tried the stems but the noise is still there

[radiant breach]

It's v4 its shit and they aren't fixing it

[worn flicker]

Can you post the link to the vocals with the noise

[blissful mulch]

i prefer the v3.5 but i cant put

its only v4 available now ?

[worn flicker]

Use it but cover, and other features like it are stuck in v4

[remote dome]

Trying to create a cover from a relative calm song into more "beat'y" - but v4 presists on keeping it calm and chill. Any tips on how to help it progress the music into more drums, beats, synths etc as the song progresses?

[blissful mulch]

will they do an update?

[radiant breach]

Yup!!!! Our bands we got used to are now locked to a new unusable version. So we can't use 3.5. Anymore. Trash devs

[blissful mulch]

im using cover but still dont work like before .. too many noise

[worn flicker]

Because it is stuck in v4

[radiant breach]

Cover gave me a 39 second clip and you can't use personas

Trash devs

[unkempt fractal]

I'm going to try it, when it separates into vocal and instrumental, it sounds horrible

[worn flicker]

Dude you have just been in here complaining for days. Don't you have anything else to do?

[blissful mulch]

really a shame v3.5 was better than the current v4 and we could choose before, currently it has too much unbearable background noise it's a shame

[worn flicker]

I want to hear the noise in the vocals

[worn flicker]

Agreed

V3.5 works for generations

[blissful mulch]

yes of course

[radiant breach]

Gfy

[worn flicker]

No thanks, you handle that all day

[blissful mulch]

I really hope that the problem has been reported. I sent them an email if there are several of us doing it, maybe there will be an update?

[worn flicker]

Lol muted

[radiant breach]

If you don't understand the outrage from 90% of the community then you might be thr problem

[unkempt fractal]

I know what you mean, it may be only in the instrumental stem anyway when I put them back together in audacity, it sounds horrible

[radiant breach]

Goodbye toolbag

[worn flicker]

Yes. The Vocals are clean

[blissful mulch]

I currently have a paid subscription and I'm a little bummed that I can't produce music like before and get frustrated

[unkempt fractal]

Yes, but what shall I do to remove the noise, I tried it in audacity with the stems but it's not working

[worn flicker]

V4 has major potential it just has issues, I would say Suno needs a PR director...lol

[radiant breach]

Anyone else happy with the release I'll just block you too lmfao. If anyone paid for this shit you have every right to complain.

[worn flicker]

You won't in v4. The noise hits all frequencies

[blissful mulch]

I agree that V4 has potential but it would have been better to leave v3.5 available for those who still want to use it and fix v4 little by little in order to have a perfect V4

[worn flicker]

Agreed

[unkempt fractal]

I would like to launch them on Spotify but if I hear the noise everyone will hear it.

[radiant breach]

He's still trying to white night the release??? Lmfao

Saaaaad

He can join Harber in the block list

[blissful mulch]

I've tried to master most of the music I create, but it's really complicated to remove the background noise without damaging the final music.

[worn flicker]

Honestly, I wouldn't release anything to Spotify, the sound sucks for now.

[plucky isle]

Block me too I guess. I've enjoyed v4 minus a few small bugs

But I'm a Star citizen backer so, that tells you all you need to know

[worn flicker]

There is no secret that the service has worked better...lol

[rose plank]

really?

[unkempt fractal]

The previous version (I used for 2 days) were OK, quality of v4 is better beside this noise, I have 9000 credits to use but if everything sucks what's the point 😭

[worn flicker]

I just don't see the point in sitting in a room of people that aren't in contact with Suno and complaining. No I am not talking about people actually asking questions and answering

[rose plank]

same iv been having a blast specifically with dubbing the clean vocals with voice changers

[unkempt fractal]

I contacted them.

[worn flicker]

I know. V3.5 still works for generation. Are all you doing is covers?

[unkempt fractal]

No, I have my own lyrics and I create regular music, I don't use the cover option.

[worn flicker]

I can't say it will be Spotify worthy, because the shimmer exists in v3.5 as well but it tends to be drift on the high frequencies. It may have gotten a little worse or I am listening too hard. Still I have made numerous songs in v3.5 since v4 release and it has been pretty good. Not Spotify good but good

[worn flicker]

Are people really depending on Suno for income?

[unkempt fractal]

Thanks. Is there any other similar website that may have better quality music, to your knowloedge?

[worn flicker]

There are others, I can't say anything other than they exist Udio is a top competitor to Suno

I haven't used it

There is another I got invited to the beta. Riffussion or something like that

[unkempt fractal]

I create music for students (and for me), in French. Earning money is not the main point, but SUNO costs 32€ plus anything else I use, and Spotify seems to something that my people use generally so why not.

[worn flicker]

I hear ya on the side hustle.

[unkempt fractal]

Yes, I was so happy because it creates jawdropping tracks, I will probably still try to launch them on Spotify.

[worn flicker]

The tracks are outstanding. It is hard to make bad music in that way. Like even goofy lyrics sounds like a cool song...lol

[unkempt fractal]

Yes 😉

[unique stone]

You'll sometimes find people posting stuff made with other AIs in #🗣️┃chill-chat (including other music AIs) so that might be worth looking at.

[worn flicker]

I had a song about a gnome that kept getting used as a football and he would yell at people as he flew through the air and got brain damage with every kick. He would get dumber, I used chatgpt to write it...lol

But it sounded awesome so it didn't work...haha

[charred merlin]

It may have been answered already, but if you tested out the "Write About" feature, it fills in the title with something related to the lyrics -- ReMi has been REALLY "creative" if you only give it a simple prompt to improvise from, so that might explain the title?

[unkempt fractal]

:=) nice

[winged perch]

No, i was talking about the "Full Song" thing

That already got explained to me

The title was what i did myself

[charred merlin]

I gotcha -- I'd ended up with a few unintentionally named songs through the "write about" thing, and at the time had thought the exact same thing you'd typed out -- felt like I was reading a deja vu & needed to comment 😛

[plucky isle]

Yay I was helpful! \o/

[winged perch]

Fair enough

[winged perch]

Hehe

[worn flicker]

I wonder why the model locks still exist. I wonder how many devs work on the web page. Unless there is some other stuff going on like they updated the entire process behind the scenes then it would be a web site thing, just not pointing in the right direction. Is there that much going on behind the scenes that getting locked to v4 is more than just a web coding error? I'm asking because you know more than you let on...lol

[flint haven]

✅ Warning logged for graveil. I couldn't DM them. || Please be mindful of rule #1 when posting here. Thanks. @radiant breach

[spice timber]

Has anyone gotten good results with 'Replace Section' and have some tips, beyond what the video tutorial gives? I've found that it works okay in the middle and the end of a song but I really want to change the intro and it's behaving super strangely.

[worn flicker]

I use extend for ends

I'll extend it and use tags to end it naturally

[smoky ferry]

It becomes more and more difficult to use.

[radiant breach]

Whack chat

[modest coral]

Has any one been noticing old songs, made on 3.5V, that you have created months ago (and ones your very please with, that met your standers) are now coming through distorted and at a much lower volume, and turning it up doesn’t help at all.
That without a shadow of a doubt, that you would bet your very life on, the audio has changed it self, from how you remembered it?

[smoky ferry]

It even costs credit without confirmation now, which is unacceptable for me.

[worn flicker]

I have heard what you are talking about. I think there is a lot going on. Because what you are saying I have heard act differently at different points of the day. Like resource load has something to do with it...it is strange

[smoky ferry]

And it generates 💩 in most of the time ( after v4 launched)