📚┃suno-school

[cursive island]

BROOOOOO!!!!!

IT WORKS ur genius https://suno.com/song/9059a1b8-c9d6-457f-959d-40723cb8735f

Holy shit i wanna do a 5th element dubstep club music version out of this cooking MATERIAL holy shhh

How do you instruct it to have echoes or delayed 2nd voice?

[stiff plover]

Someone was asking about harmonies here? https://suno.com/song/548a5237-cb21-4f04-bdf1-05b0de225ba7

[untold briar]

(and I am a second voice)

[empty cloud]

"i am also a second voice" sometimes

[cursive island]

bro works on the spot this exactly what i wanted

https://suno.com/song/9d0fdaab-ace2-494a-8d2a-33a392e1d3ba

[normal breach]

... am I the only one who keeps getting this faint sound of "cellphone ringing" with any new songs?

[stiff plover]

You hear it mumble "synth lead"

[cursive island]

this is beyond amazin with reason this would take a month

[empty cloud]

nope i thought i was about to go crazy but ther are alot of background noise

[normal breach]

In literally every creation I have this low ringing sound, no matter what I do

And it's ALWAYS in the same key

[empty cloud]

hmm mines not ringing its like an ghost echo of an broken phone

[lusty oasis]

One of the most brought up issues so far

[normal breach]

Okay, I won't use more credits then. This is ridicilous 😦

Thank you @lusty oasis

3.5 doesn't seem to have this issue actually

[lyric marlin]

I only started hearing it over the last hour or so, checked a song from earlier in the day and I didn't notice it, I wonder if it's something from running multiple songs. I think I had something similar while using stable diffusion models, after a while of not clearing down the server, things would go funky.

[normal breach]

@lyric marlin is it with v4?

[lyric marlin]

Yeah

[normal breach]

yeah something broken with that model apparently

It's actually kind of funny listening to completely different songs tied by this drunken cricket sound 😄

[naive quail]

That was fun. Here's a playful flamenco guitar remix https://suno.com/song/cef2050f-40d0-4afc-9de3-1e980ed4665b

[thin falcon]

hey somebody also not happy with the V.4 Persona upgrade? V3.5 voice was perfect and V4 is hard to get anything that matches with the original sound

[modest patrol]

yo, how do end an extension in v4. I can't stop it from just hallucinating for ever

I'm trying everything lmao

[naive quail]

I haven't tried v4 personas, but my v3.5 personas work well with v4.

[cursive island]

what would be the best way to tell it to chunk the word "forever" into multiple piecees For eee eev eeeer ?

[naive quail]

should work

[normal breach]

I think there's a lot of issues with v4. all together. I listened to other people's creations with v4 and they all have this D4 odd sound ringing in them

[naive quail]

try it at least... and then some variations if it's not quite there.

[normal breach]

actually d4 to d5

[manic tiger]

Any news on the laser beams?

[naive quail]

They haven't officially acknowledge the shimmering, but they're definitely aware of it.

[manic tiger]

i feel like i'm wasting my credits cuz of it

guess i'll just interrupt my sub until is fixed

[normal breach]

I would not be unhappy for at least credit compensation at this point, sigh

[manic tiger]

Also i don't know about you guys but my the voice in my remastered songs feels a little meh.

[normal breach]

My issue is mainly because I did quite a lot on a phone, started putting things together on computer and only then I heard the cellphone ringing tone in every single thing <_>

[manic tiger]

You can't unhear it now

[normal breach]

It's a very unwanted earworm 😄

Honestly this will make a perfect alarm clock for me, just boost it up

[indigo tangle]

well, i've tried everything to 'redo' old songs (I guess might be v2 or v1) -- fail. even found a "part 4" to an old song, created part 5 (with v3, 3.5, 4)... and still can't generate a full song from them.
uploaded part to cover it... wish I could upload the whole song as a reference.

[cursive island]

Guys try this technique:

forever
[CHOP "forever" with glitches and vocal grain]

Result with these new techniques>
https://suno.com/song/a70a1b7d-f92e-4deb-8852-259d6ed6f627

[untold briar]

You made a pretty good guess I think. Maybe could try For-eee-eev-eeer with dashes too. But may pronounce wrong

[zinc spade]

Hi is any one else got same problem as me , when try to crate 4v it give me 3.5 and yesterday night t i was working for me to v4

[cursive island]

i want to recreate the effect of the 5th element diva dance vocals, the chop command sometimes works, but it jumps over to other lyrics in the chorus :S

[zinc spade]

Hi is any one else got same problem as me , when try to crate 4v it give me 3.5 and yesterday night t i was working for me to v4

[cursive island]

https://youtu.be/a7Dh5QoXv2c?feature=shared&t=236

This is what i mean, can some one point me to the direction?

[ashen storm]

I would like to know if suno intends that the Cover and Persona feature are now restricted to v4 beta only. I saw an official post on twitter saying v4 beta is supposed to be purely additive and we should be able to continue to use v3.5 if we want to. However, it doesn't seem like we actually can choose to use v3.5 if we want access to Covers, Personas, or in some cases Extend. This feels like a bug to me, and I just would like some confirmation either that it's intended behavior or if it's a bug that will be fixed.

[thin flint]

Is there an easy way to get duets in V4? Or is there still a massive amount of luck involved? Should I create verse 1 first, extend, do a prompt for female vocalist to get another voice and do it that way?

[low coral]

This is amazing

[solemn lintel]

Wow, v4 really does make every song 3:14, doesn't it?

[solemn lintel]

I was going to ask the same question. That's what I had to do in 3.5. I was hoping v4 would fix a lot of these little annoyances.

Argh, what the heck... now it defaults to v4 as soon as I enter a persona? I don't want to use v4!

It won't let me go back to 3.5 as long as a persona is in place. Sigh.

[fresh oxide]

My song is perfect, but Suno added this weird pop noise at :02 for no fkn reason whatsoever and ruined the entire song. Maybe if I can separate the music, I can remove it. I have no idea why this app leaves weird artifacts that make zero sense. It's infuriating and unusable.

[solemn lintel]

Is it something you can just crop past?

[plain orchid]

The v4 ringing sound really ruined my day 💀 😂

[untold briar]

If it's before you song you can Crop. If it's in the music itself, you can try Replace.

But replace may be tricky for very start of the song. But it could work .

[solemn lintel]

Replace has never once worked for me. So good luck...

[plain orchid]

very clear example of the v4 ringing sound at 2:05 - 2:45 in this song:
https://suno.com/song/b439d4e6-82bc-4444-959e-deccdf600840
Also from 4:13 and from 5:13 is very clear

I just wasted my free v4 remaster on a bug 💀

[runic stream]

Can anyone teach me? I cannot change my plan, even when I press cancel. I want to switch back to a normal membership this month because I am very busy right now.

[untold briar]

I'm not sure, but I think the message means your last month's payment failed. Whatever is happening, you have to email [e-mail] to get problems like that fixed.

[stable phoenix]

Yeah, I'm hearing it.

[obsidian needle]

Hi wonder to ask..the suno plan..i planning to get free to pro version but to release on spotify i read the owenership..the old song created on free version cannot get right..what if i use v4 suno to remastered it..so its possible to use commercial use?

[tough storm]

Is it known there is some issue with remastering songs in 4.0? A kind of Warbling/wobbling noise on drawn out notes.

[untold briar]

Shimmering or Lasering, it's been called lately. Lots of talk in here, and I'm sure Suno is working on it.

[hard ruin]

Add Playlist Search Tab 😖

When scrolling Playlist it’s automatically moving upwards it’s pissing me so hard 😖

[crystal delta]

Hello can I ask why suno has started injecting ads (for suno) into my songs? I only do personal use on my own computer, but I do use a custom chrome extension to make the api request to do that (creates a song based on the current web page), which does not appear to be against the terms of use (both my and claude 3.5 sonnet's takes on the terms of service)?

ANd I am a paid user

[hard ruin]

When Liking and disliking the each song in the (Create) option it automatically moves to the most recent track it’s so annoying 😖

[tough storm]

@untold briar alrighty, just wanted to make sure it was known. It’s weird cause my first few songs were fine but then they got worse the more songs I remastered tracks

[obsidian needle]

Anyone answer it?

[untold briar]

Sometimes Remastering a Remaster can knock the Shimmer back down again.

[solemn lintel]

Is it inserting ads from the page you're looking at? I didn't know the free version did ads...

[crystal delta]

No its ads for suno added before the lyrics

[solemn lintel]

Huh. That's obnoxious.

[hard ruin]

Use ad blockers 🙄

[crystal delta]

That won't help when they add it to the lyrics???

It doesn't show up in the sidebar lyrics, but its there at the start of the song

[untold briar]

I haven't seen exactly what Extension you are using, but it probably is agains the ToS, since using an API in general is. (Suno may offer API in future, but does not now.) So you may be getting flagged that way.

[crystal delta]

Its a custom extension I wrote myself

[hard ruin]

Remastering Gives 2 Variations but at least one of them must remain the Exact same for the (Main Track) 😑

[untold briar]

Well I can't say for sure and I don't work for Suno anyway, but it's probably getting classified as API usage, whatever is actually going on. You can email support and ask, [e-mail].

Generally users who get the Suno watermark/ad are using fake Suno apps on iPhone or Android, or fake Suno websites. I haven't seen a browser extension trigger it, kind of a novel case.

[obsidian needle]

i planning to get free to pro version but to release on spotify i read the owenership..the old song created on free version cannot get right..what if i use v4 suno to remastered it..so its possible to use commercial use?

[crystal delta]

Well then as a paying single user I really hope they make an offical way asap bc it destroys many personal use-cases including artistic use 😦

[untold briar]

I wrote some Suno extensions in the past, but I only passively looked at Suno traffic, I never actually modified or submitted any server requests. Like I added a music visualizer to the page, or a database of songs to search, but nothing was ever sent to Suno server. I think that type of usage is okay.

[hollow hare]

If you are forcing an API connection to make it do something that Suno did not intend for it to do, that IS against the TOS (see the pictures of the excerpts at #💬┃general-chat message)

Depending on how intrusive the use of the API is (i.e. if hijacking the service would constitute as effectively stealing the resource), it can be against laws in USA (See Computer Fraud and Abuse Act Section B.1, and specifically 18 U.S.C. § 1030(g))

Fortunately, it does not sound like THAT is the case, but something to be aware of.

[crystal delta]

its literally just the same request that the webapps makes

Nothing special or different, just coming from an chrome extension instead of from the suno domain

[untold briar]

In your specific case I agree you seem to not have ill intentions, and in a vacuum harmless. But if you can make that request without a watermark, then probably fake Suno iPhone apps can do too. That's just my guess, we are not Suno employees.

[hollow hare]

Legally, no, since it would be a derivative and Suno owns the ownership of the Output created during the free plan (thus would be the same situation as extending a free song during a paid plan - see https://help.suno.com/en/articles/2871105).
You can ask [e-mail] if they can grant you the same license for that Output when you do get your membership. From what I heard, support can be flexible for that

[crystal delta]

Sadly I think I have to cancel my suno subscription (that I've had for close to a year) then :(( as I will never use my credits otherwise
Thanks everyone for the help.

[obsidian needle]

Thanks for answer

[untold briar]

If the problem is the watermark is stuck on your account, even when not using extension, I bet support could fix that.

[crystal delta]

too late it is done 😦 subscription canceled

Just as proof that I have been a long-term subscriber (I know this has no real impact on suno, but I hope that they see this and consider bringing a personal api (which can be VERY heavily ratelimited) sooner)
Also as a comparison, I have spent $100s on flux generations on replicate instead of paying for MJ bc they won't allow an api (same kinda thing)

[shell turtle]

Anyone else notice that your uploaded audio isnt being referenced nearly as much in V4? I feel like I can barely hear the influence of what I inputed. It seemed much pronounced in the previous version.

[plucky jewel]

Is it known that Persona takes the lyrics as well? So I can't replace lyrics when I use persona...

[solemn lintel]

It should let you. Every once in a while, I have a persona pull lyrics and tune from the original song. But not very often. Well, it's happening more often in v4 than it used to...

[plucky jewel]

Yeah, I am talking specifically about v4, I didn't try to use it with 3.5

[crystal delta]

Ok one last though: Is this allowed: I use the official suno webapp, but I have an extension type and click the button rather than make an api call myself? Or even lets say we have claude computer use do it?

[vestal rapids]

there is no official API and automating access to the website would be against the rules

[crystal delta]

So no claude music 😦 sad

[viscid locust]

ReMI, who is john carter?

[solemn lintel]

...of Mars?

[viscid locust]

but they're not going to mars, they're not even in the solar system 😭

[cursive cypress]

Hey there! Which channel is proper for reporting a music generator caught with Suno's "This is a fake app" watermark? 😄

[hollow hare]

Try to do something that does not involve the API. For example, You could set it up so your extension switches the tab to Suno's and inserts the copied lyrics from Claude (or whatever you are doing) into the input form.

[charred merlin]

Some of the mods made their own tools to do stuff within Suno, but it skirts direct API access

[cursive cypress]

I don't understand API stuff. I'm talkin a full website claiming to be better and faster than Suno, even with payment tiers, but all their lyric songs contain the watermark as of this morning. Have they been charging to use someone else's generator then?

Except the instrumentals, which is why I'm here. If they be piggybackin, Suno should add the watermark to the instrumentals too

[hollow hare]

People using Suno's API are not paying for it. Suno has no official API offered for use/sale (except maybe MS Copilot due to their partnership).

Services claiming they have access to the API so are actually breaking the law in USA by essentially hijacking Suno's Service and Resources (see the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act Section B.1, and specifically 18 U.S.C. § 1030(g)). Pretty sure legal is going after them soon, if not already - or those based in USA at least

[cursive cypress]

Should I contact someone with the site address to get it resolved?

[hollow hare]

Have you used the service or third party app that compromised your account? (The third party app use is the big thing that we came across becs7ae people did not know which ones were Suno's). If so, [e-mail] is the best way to resolve issues that may occur from that

If you mean you encountered the infringing service on the internet and wanted to pass it along, you can notify [e-mail] or you can DM a guide or mod and we can log it on our end (ends up going to the same investigation team)

[cursive cypress]

dm'ed you then

[charred merlin]

has this website been charging to use Suno?

yup -- stealing free accounts. Unfortunately this means that any commercial rights they've sold you are invalid, since Suno retains the rights to any songs made on a free plan 👀

Hopefully you can get your money back from that other company, or issue a chargeback through your back

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249416146227040307/1302247762200367174/20241102-1226-21.1780689.mp4?ex=673fcffd&is=673e7e7d&hm=e03765b8e3399979da592bf669adfbf972f403c40b831e230366912aa0fcaf9a&

[cursive cypress]

Does that say 'SongAI model' in the dropdown? That's who iLoveSong says owns them

[charred merlin]

yup -- except they get sloppy and it says "songAT" in the bottom left block of text on the website (not shown in the video)

[charred merlin]

ilovesong.ai is another one

[cursive cypress]

wowww even the results screen are the same haha

pity

[charred merlin]

It makes me sad that they gaslight their users -- whenever Suno updates & breaks their access, they say "optimizations are being made", and try to say that Suno is hacking them & placing advertisements into their songs -- so people who are already vulnerable and being scammed are being lied to even further -- the silver lining, if any, is that the users come here to yell at Suno for interfering, and learn about the REAL service

[frosty stag]

Is Suno.ai supposed to charge you 23 bucks for a 10 dollar plan…? :/ I received a charge that was 23 bucks despite the purchase saying 10 bucks. I’m unsure if this is the correct channel to ask.

[hollow hare]

I remember one service "optimization" when the watermark stuff started was simply switching to Udio's system (and then Udio locked it down within a few days)

[charred merlin]

[e-mail] would be a more appropriate place to reach out to, as Discord isn't an official support channel 🙏

[warm dock]

maybe it said 10 pounds? Doesn't make sense, or better question, are you using VPN?

[frosty stag]

No

[frosty stag]

Alright thank you

[warm dock]

then do what @charred merlin said

[hollow hare]

For verification, was the purchase made from suno.com or were you using an app (and if so, what system)? Or another website?

[frosty stag]

Alright my father thinks badly of the Suno.ai website now after that incident and he won’t even listen to me :/ he told me to get out after he saw the charges as well. Also I was using the IOS version

I’m 20 and he treats me like a child and discourages me from getting a job

[cursive cypress]

Get yourself a Prepaid from the food mart & use that to buy stuff online

[frosty stag]

A what?

[charred merlin]

To answer the question, it's $10 USD, and should be priced as advertised -- if there's any discrepancies, the billing support team are the only ones who can look into the payments and investigate the matter 🙏 I hope they're able to shine some light on the matter or resolve it 😄

[cursive cypress]

pre-paid gift card from visa or mastercard. It's a CC with a balance that you add at the checkout

[frosty stag]

Alright but my father is very upset right now and refuses to let me spend any money on Suno.ai after that

So I doubt he’ll even listen to them

[hollow hare]

We are always going to be children in our parents wyes 🙂 https://youtu.be/mgr4JgnnGS4

Ah, https://suno.ai was the old site, still redirects to .com so that is fine.

Just make sure that the iOS app is from the same page entry as the redirect from https://suno.com/iOS. Lots of fake ones on the appstore, so if that is the case, cancel the payments, contact your card company, and demand a refund from Apple

And like Harber mentioned earlier, [e-mail] will help you out.

[frosty stag]

Because he’s a very not so nice thing I want to say involving his behavior

[frosty stag]

I have the legit one from the website

[cursive cypress]

Well sounds like his card got used without permission one way or another; I would be upset too.

[frosty stag]

So this is the official app

[cursive cypress]

Go to the app store page and look at the publisher too

[frosty stag]

Alright

The purchase linked up to the official Suno.ai site btw

[cursive cypress]

like if Square-Enix told me to go to some 3rd party dev I'd be like whuuuut

[hollow hare]

Just covering the basis as we did have people that unknowingly downloaded a fake app before. Regardless, make sure to contact billing as they are the ones in charge of, well, billing

[frosty stag]

Why doesn’t suno go after those apps?

[cursive cypress]

mobile is the easiest/worst place for copycats & code theft

[frosty stag]

I know. I’ve seen it

[cursive cypress]

Google Play is swamped in fake farmville clones

[hollow hare]

I assume they are or in the process of doing so, for things that Suno can go after. Unfortunately, not much can be done for many of them since they say they are "Suno-like", etc. and do not directly infringe on actual trademarked/copyright material on the appstore front (thus Apple will not do anything about it because they get a slice of the pie)

[frosty stag]

And most of the developers on the AppStore suck…(I’d use stronger language but I prefer to not get banned😭)

[frosty stag]

:<

If Suno.ai was owned by Nintendo then all of those copycats would disappear instantly most likely lol

Nintendo: I activate my trap card! GET DMCA! XD

[unique stone]

Suno have however been doing some things to disrupt these fake services.

I've watched as one particular app has been removed from app stores and their discord get locked down etc. as a result of these efforts.

[charred merlin]

Nintendo also has laboratories where they grow lawyers on retainer -- Suno can add a "use the real website" disclaimer on the songs every couple months and get new users 😉

[charred merlin]

Just the hamster I wanted to talk to -- is songr.ai fishy, from your notes?

[frosty stag]

XD

[fresh tapir]

A strange problem:

• I do remastering of a v3.5 track
• I generate a persona out of remastered track
  Now if I try to generate a track (the same definition for he track persona has been created from), the v4 generation repeatedly gets stuck and aborted.

If I remove the persona from definition, v4 generation runs normally.
Persona link, if it matters: https://suno.com/persona/66696032-3195-462a-8b82-974e79e8f6d4

[cursive cypress]

My favorite use of song gens that require lyrics is to input existing songs and selecting a new style, for funnies. I put in Anthrax's Lone Justice, and ended up with a really soft song about music theft (the watermark) and bringing outlaws to justice 😄

[last wagon]

Did you also hearing a Ring noise onvRemastering tracks?

[unique stone]

Sadly I don't know of all of the services, there's always new ones popping up. If there are sample songs I'd listen to 'em and just see if they sound Suno-like

[fresh tapir]

Yes, in few cases I hear ring, rustling, whispers and other noise in remastered tracks.

[last wagon]

For me is always.... 💀

[prime anvil]

guys, i just realized (don't know if it was already written here) that the shimmering sound was already exisisting in 3.5
If you pay attention, in my song at 1:10-1:20 on the high notes (hidden by the noise) the shimmering is there

https://suno.com/song/e23f48aa-a437-4128-ac76-8eecc0034b8c

right after it says "hearts together", you can hear it

maybe it's more visible now since the general noise is lower?

[solemn lintel]

Ugh, that "rattle" (whatever y'all were calling it) is becoming quite prevalent in all my songs now.

[crimson yoke]

Someone, please notify the V4 training developers about the urgent need to remove the "shimmer/laser" sound from all V4 generations. This includes the remaster version, which also has the same issue. Ideally, an update should be released by January to eliminate this sound and make the output cleaner, as it is currently overly polluted.

[solemn lintel]

Ideally it should be fixed right now. ^_^

[charred merlin]

We’d noticed that as well — funny how you notice it now more that you’re looking for it, eh?

Tracks that I was completely satisfied with before are being scrutinized in a different way — I know that the artefacting is more prominent in v4, but I genuinely think we’ve just been kicked into a higher fidelity “bracket” — v4 sounds THAT much better that all of the flaws are left exposed, and hopefully will now be easier to eliminate with targeted reporting and downvotes 🤞

[solemn lintel]

I guess we just need to all keep flagging every song as "Poor Quality"

It sucks because some of these songs are actually really good, but that shimmer is ruining them.

[prime anvil]

in italian you say "la lingua batte dove il dente duole", something like "you tongue hit the tooth where it pains".. now we identified it, so we hear it everywhere..
lol, today when i was going to work i heard the shimmering even from a diesel car passing by...

but it still means it's something completely connected on how suno generate the sound, guess it will not be so easy to get rid of, the max they'll be able to do will be to hide it in some way

[solemn lintel]

I'm re-listening to the earlier songs I made in v4 today and they didn't have it. It started showing up a few songs in.

[unique stone]

Yeah it seems the shimmer may have always been there but now it's higher quality 😅

[broken knot]

Did you guys notice that Suno replied to someone asking about the shimmer noises on v4. Will Suno fix it? Suno replied: "yes- not immediately, but over time as we work to improve all aspects of the music for you guys." ... so we are possibly waiting for a v4.5 for them to fix a completely broken v4 model "over time" but not anything coming in the next few weeks? This is the worst possible response Suno could provide, in my opinion.

[tired sable]

Help Suno.com won't load for me ever since I asked ReMi to write, "song about a company who gets sued for illegal gambling because it knowingly programmed the new version of its AI to return poor roll results to generate more usage and credit expense from users"

[hollow hare]

Not gonna lie, a shimmer in my old v3.0 song actually improved the atmosphere of it, though the ones from v4...

[hollow hare]

Have you tried forcefully terminating the browser and trying again? (Or reloading the page?)

[tired sable]

Yeah I just did that and it pulled back up. I put in the same prompt and here it is frozen again lol

I think ReMi has an ego

[hollow hare]

Try asking classic GPT then and see their response :x

To be confirmed: ReMi is Suno's secret agent 😛

[broken knot]

With Suno acknowledging v4 is broken and promising a fix is coming, but not any time soon, this is really upsetting me.

[hollow hare]

I forgot to mention that, with the new prompt system, using it is a bit different and some users did get stumped by it.
You need to click Write with Suno first before entering your prompt, then Write Lyrics when done. For a step-by-step guide, see #📚┃suno-school message

[broken knot]

No immediate hotfix coming for a completely broken v4... but "over time" it will be improved. I guess I'll ask again next November.

[vestal rapids]

I have a Premier tier account and v4 is absolutely fine. I have only had one track with shimmer

[solemn lintel]

At least let us use Personas with 3.5 again. Seriously.

[broken knot]

I used up 300+ credits testing v4 putting it through the paces. It's much worse than 3.5... absolutely fine? What are you comparing it to, a death camp?

[solemn lintel]

Yeah, it's way worse in so many ways. When it gives me a good song, it has shimmer. When it doesn't have shimmer, it ignores the persona.

[crimson yoke]

I love SunoAI, but V4 disappointed me a bit. It’s not as interesting as Udio 1.5 and still sounds robotic. My remasters lack soul in the vocals—the instruments are excellent, but the vocals don’t shine, and the interpretation is still basic. Now I’ll have to wait six months for V5, but I’m worried because Udio V2 is likely to be incredible.

I don’t want to abandon SunoAI because I’ve been with it since the beta launch last year, and I’m emotionally attached. The only issue I have with Udio is the consistency of prompts and melodies, but it’s very likely that V2 will surprise everyone, forcing me to stick with it for a while until SunoAI improves significantly. 😦

[tired sable]

It's not broken, it's working exactly as intended... eating credits like a black hole, that is.

[hollow hare]

Unfortunately, it takes time to have these things fixed. Apparently shimmering was an issue during the Alpha (though I personally did not realize the impact of it since I was testing a diverse set of genres instead of specific ones, as seen at #🗣️┃chill-chat message)

In the mean time, the best advice I can give is try to use subgenres that reduces the instances of the shimmering, such as using fields that have less cymbal use or entirely other genres.

Hopefully that the fix for it will include having a Remaster that removes the shimmering too!

[broken knot]

"Send me your money. Now if you can only send a dollar or two
There ain't a hell of a lot Suno can promise to you
But if you want to see heaven's door
Make out a check to Suno for five hundred or more"

[tired sable]

I spent 6k credits in about 24 hours making only 8 complete tracks and 4 decent remasters of v3.5 tracks

after spending 6k credits I have come to realize that v4 suno has an ego and only cares about meta tags when it feels like it

[hollow hare]

It WILL be fixed though. I was listening to my old 3.0 songs and noticed the shimmering during the time of release (though it kinda enhanced that song...). Eventually it did go away, and it is not like the devs wants it, so it will go away... at some point 🙂

[tired sable]

also, it seems like it is programmed to produce poor results to stimulate rerolls, which is legally, technically, fraud

[broken knot]

I think it's just broken af. I don't believe they are purposefully acting malicious, but their lack of keeping us in the loop gives off crypto rugpull vibes.

[hollow hare]

Lol, this ain't no gacha. You are experience the inherit nature of randomness from an AI systen

[tired sable]

if they return 4k of my 6k credits I might think it's not intentional. Aside from a massive credit refund for affected users, though, I can't believe it's not by design.

[hollow hare]

I mean, you can try contacting support for that but... why did you spend so many credits if you were not getting the results early on?

[solemn lintel]

Holy crap 6K?? I was generating non-stop the past 2 days and only managed to make like 100 songs.

[tired sable]

meta tags and instructions are supposed to reduce the random to relevant randomness, not reroll 100 times and get only a single option anything resembling your instructions

[hollow hare]

I usually retry my strategy if it fails after like two generations of trying to get what I want

[tired sable]

3 weeks ago I spent 900 credits and made 11 complete tracks on v3.5 with no issues. Today, it cost me 2k credits just to get one outro for a track, and I literally had [Outro] as the only instruction

[hollow hare]

Effectively, we do not know what the AI learns and there are likely (more than) hundreds of variables being involved and needs extensive testing.

We do not know if the AI even recognizes the metatag we provide without some testing (not talking about Verses and the like ofc).

It is also the reason why we often tell people that a rule of thumb for metatag prompts is to keep it simple and use like 3 words or less - because we noticed (and reproduced) more effective tags than like long sentences.

Obviously there is a lot more that it can understand but, well, reproducibility often reduces with longer commands in my experience

[runic stream]

i did, I sent them email but waiting 3 days...

[tired sable]

it gave me 2:00 samples x80 straight rolls with [Outro] as my instruction

[tired sable]

I guess the devs have been sending the ai to nightschool to learn how to commit fraud

[hollow hare]

There are better ways to commit fraud if ones wanted. But anyways, feel free to sue them if you feel like you have sufficient evidence to support your case

[broken knot]

Why'd you keep pumping credits into v4? It's like a slot machine. Maybe you got carried away hoping the next generation you did would be great, but the great track never materialized. V4 feels like a bait and switch. I gave it a much bigger chance than most of the people in here but even I only sunk 350 credits into this monstrosity. Guess I'm going back to 3.5 as long as Suno is hinting at taking a long long time to address any v4 complaints.

[polar spade]

I'm going to attach my only public song at the moment, for the purpose of asking, if there is a "shimmer in all songs" to quote one then 1) is it in this one and 2) with only vocals, would it be easier to detect or harder. Much of what I do is acoustic, but also pop style. I hear hissing and flutter in 3.5 often enough, sure, but randomly, especially as instruments start to build and together with hallucinations. To say a "shimmer" is in all remastered song may be biased towards those who make a specific type genre? Anyway, here's the song, just have to click through a couple of spots. I think it's decent enough sound, and may have that whisper hiss that can come with some vocals but the essing can be heard in studio recordings as well. But seems that's all. All my 1-vocal , 1-guitar songs sound similar. https://suno.com/song/6ab51a0d-07f2-4d54-99da-00ad65a1daf2

[tired sable]

v3.5 doesn't have the clarity of v4... Like i said, I don't mind rerolling for relevant options so I can choose from among them, but when I roll 80 times and there isn't a single relevant option to choose from because the generator doesn't follow the instruction, or perhaps is following the instruction to force me to spend more credits, I get mad about that

[tired sable]

The shimmer seems to be associated with "loud" sounds

[broken knot]

V4 results are trash and if someone thinks they aren't. 1. They are deaf. 2. They are probably paid shills.

[lilac garden]

Going crazy trying find a full song version of a song. I tried all keywords possible and all im seeing is the part 2’s and extension but not the final song version that inultimately downloaded. Any tips to trick the search in finding the full version

[broken knot]

Listen to v4 results from a quality pair of headphones. It's a massive downgrade from 3.5

[tired sable]

I disagree... v4 seems to be about 92% trash, with that 8 out of 100 being really nice, much improved over 3.5

the sad part is even 3.5 is ignoring instructions, now, like it DIDN'T do 3 weeks ago

[hollow hare]

The search can look for lyrics as well, so if you remember something unique in the full song lyric, that may help

[polar spade]

Are all vocals and acoustic guitars in the NOT loud category? Are they in a frequency that doesn't normally promote what others are hearing?

[lilac garden]

Yes i remember the lyrics and searching those, is just not giving me the full song version

[tired sable]

no

[sudden walrus]

Noticed that with v4 there's a shaking sound like the guitar has a loose string slapping a fret.

[tired sable]

if you download your track and run it through audacity, you'll see the amplitude spikes in the red triggering the shimmer

[broken knot]

Maybe, I don't have exact percentages. There's probably glaring issues with your "good" v4 tracks but ppl want to drink the kool-aid rather than just admit that it's not a good model. Perhaps there are a few cases where v4 actually produces good results, but it's too much of a gamble. ... "You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done"

[sudden walrus]

Thanks for that. Was looking for something to analyze it

[tired sable]

when v4 produces a good result, it is very clear and crisp and virtually indistinguishable from actual instruments

[vestal rapids]

for me v4 is really good, I have only had one generation with shimmer and I create a lot of songs

[prime anvil]

Shimmering is there, more subdued but:
at 1:08 - on the mmm before "like a hurricane"
at 1:11 - on the mmm before "I got"
at 1:19 - on the mmm before "help me please"
at 1:43 is heavy on the mmm
and so on

btw, cool song i like it 🙂

[tired sable]

I made a metal song today by creating a 3.5 track, then remastering it, then extending and cutting... no shimmer

[broken knot]

I have great hearing and v4 doesn't sound close to real music to me. The very best v4 results sound like a stepping stone to something realistic. Udio instruments sound realistic. Suno is still working on it but I bet v5 or v6 will sound realistic.

[hollow hare]

Hmm, I see. The only other thing I think I can help you with is to remind you there is a pagination system in the search result too, in case it was being overlooked.

I am sorry I can't help you much with this But, just in case, this was my old writeup for finding songs lost in the library (some things have changed though)
#📚┃suno-school message

[sudden walrus]

Have had a few interesting things happen with v4 I liked but for the most part I like 3.5 more

[tired sable]

is there a way to reduce the overall volume of a track, like [pre-amp low] or something lol

[polar spade]

Again. I compare what songs I'm getting from Suno to the songs I get from a recording studio for $500. And with just v3.5, for about $12, I'm getting a far better production which is pitchable far easier in one day than $500 studio work taking 3 days to 2 weeks turnaround (and a month often) due to being able to switch modes to emulate more to the artist you pitch. So I like the $12 kool-aid. Lol.

[broken knot]

Suno is a year or two away from realism, but we're inching closer. Unfortunately, there's too much wrong with v4 and I would not recommend it to people in the current state. I'm firmly in the 3.5 is better camp.

[tired sable]

I'm considering ending my sub and looking at suno's competition

[broken knot]

Yes, you mentioned 3.5. We all love 3.5. The issues are with v4 bro

[tired sable]

if it won't take instruction, especially if it gives me the impression it has a vested interest in repeatedly giving me the opposite of what i'm asking for, I feel defrauded

[polar spade]

Cool. So there is a shimmer. That's what I was wondering to figure out what everyone is talking about. Thanks. I'll listen more closely.

[untold briar]

What if you ask for the opposite of what you want... 🧠

[broken knot]

I'll never give up on the two big competitors in AI music. People who are serious enough, we rely on using both

[prime anvil]

https://suno.com/song/b0134bd4-b15a-4c51-a68c-ba560cf4b140
on the first second after the clash drum, you can hear it clearly, nearly all of this song is 70% shimmer and 30% song

that is the "remaster" of my song 😐

[broken knot]

I love Suno, but it's a bit of a red-headed step child at the moment. Spare the rod, spoil the AI music generator.

[sudden walrus]

I actually had a song made i liked but started noticing after a few listens it was there. Mostly covered by the drum and guitar though. Seems to be something coded into the v4 from the looks of it since it appears in 90% of what i have made

[stray flare]

can anyone tell my why suno wont generate any songs for me right now

[sudden walrus]

Might be overloaded. I was having issues earlier where nothing was happening and suddenly 8 songs showed up

[broken knot]

I have some good v4 tracks. But the overall percentage of good v4 tracks to worthless ones is ridiculous. Get two decent tracks out of 300 attempts. Lol. It's crazy af

[polar spade]

Sorry to induce splitting hairs. I meant 3.5 was good. And 4.o sounds no different (for my purposes) and for pitching, including more varied chord progressions.... better. For its Clarity and fidelity, it's just as pitchable, I just haven't gotten to that point in one day.

As for being prefect in other regards, that's the argument others are having. In my work, it's not needed. So there's are some niches for 4.0 that doesn't call for perfect results.

Glad I got feedback on sound quality of the song though. Now I know more of what people are pointing out.

[broken knot]

It's broken. I wish so hard it wasn't but you can't polish a turd.

[tired sable]

they want you to spend credits on rerolling

[sudden walrus]

I had an interesting affect when using a persona i made in 3.5. Somehow a song i made in v4 integrated the song the persona was based on into it. Ended up saving that since it was the only time it happened

[polar spade]

So if it's there, it not about volume after all?

[sudden walrus]

I have that sound on lower volumes as well

[broken knot]

V4 is making me physically ill. Is that normal? Where can I find a list of potential side effects?

V4: may induce headaches, seizures, and projectile vomiting. May be cancer-causing. Use with caution.

[tired sable]

I created this with v3.5, remastered, then extended once. There's marginal shimmer, definitely not what v4 straight up does to metal
https://suno.com/song/f057c3d4-77c4-49f0-a09b-4e140053fdc0

[prime anvil]

for what i understood shimmering should be connected to cymbals, or high volume, but it's not your case..
the "mmm" in your vocals get affected a bit, but honestly i can't understand how or why

[sudden walrus]

I do hear it far more with the cymbals and it lasts a lot longer

[broken knot]

Dr. StrangeSuno or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love v4 Trash.

[tired sable]

it does it with lows that are too loud too

[sudden walrus]

That explains why I hear for entire tracks I have then

[tired sable]

if you could reduce the volume of the entire track by 20%, then increase in audacity after downloading, I bet most, if not all shimmer would go away

[sudden walrus]

Will see what happens when I get to the computer. That might work

[tired sable]

unfortunately, I don't know how to tell the generator to generate "softer" sounds or reduced sample volume

[sudden walrus]

Same

[polar spade]

So, when there is a digital emulation of volume, cymbals or whispery or humming voice the one thing in common are a more pronounced overtones.... in this case digitally created to emulate volume, cymbals and voices. Otherwise they would not sound natural without the overtones. Should that be a path the tech should look into... how the AI is setup to emulate overtones?

Volume and distortions need to include overtones to help recognize them as sounding more naturally made, yes?

[polar spade]

Some complain of the outputs being lower in volume. If we can find those songs and experiment as you say. Voilá.

[tired sable]

one thing all my samples that don't have shimmer have in common is the volume is low. but, you can increase the volume after downloading through audacity or izotope (if you pay for it)

[humble pawn]

Absolutely rediculous. The actual perfect tone and outcome of the track I was looking for.
But wait. SHIMMER. nice... its a disease. 2:00 onward becomes a nightmare.
THIS CAN'T BE WHERE MY CREDITS GO.
https://suno.com/song/9e9a653a-a2fc-4611-a184-bb3af500faa0

[tired sable]

It has to be where your credits go... that's how fraud works

[tired sable]

you should rename this one to "Shimmer"

[little cargo]

the shimmer people are talking about .. is it a audio artifact that sounds like oscillation in the background of some songs?

[tired sable]

This seems to be what's happening, yes.

[broken knot]

Is the shimmer the same as the intensity of the warble on v4 vocals? Or are the warble and the shimmer two different issues?

[tired sable]

two different issues

[cobalt thistle]

what do they mean by shimmer?

[tired sable]

the shimmer seems to be caused by volume, or as dasvon put it, simulated volume, while the warble is simulated unable to carry a tune lol

[broken knot]

So, it's verified we have warble, shimmer, and weird click sounds" 3 different issues?

[little cargo]

i know in metal songs the shimmer is quite pronounced.. im glad other are hearing it.. i thought i was going crazy

[fallen jewel]

sounds so bad 😭

[broken knot]

The vocal warble on v4 is insane. But there's also a shimmer noises. Seems like v4 is very far away from being usable.

[tired sable]

V4 is excellent if you have unlimited rerolls lol

[broken knot]

Pick your poison.

[little cargo]

4 has produced some great remasters for me.. not every song has had that shimmer sound .. maybe others are not as pronounced. yet again... some of the best remasters have all shimmered. 😦

[livid sand]

that "Shimmer" is pretty consisistent sounding, feel like it be filtered out pretty easily right?

[broken knot]

V4 is like: would you prefer Cyanide gas exposure or would you prefer to get punched in the head till you're unalive... neither... I just wanted a decent text to music generator.

[tired sable]

I've noticed the best remasters do that too. They increase volume to make flatter sounds more crisp and in turn cause the sharper ones to shimmer

[little cargo]

i think its a echo or reverb

[tired sable]

nope

[little cargo]

like cimbles reverbing

[cobalt thistle]

Did v4 release unfinished?

[uncut nebula]

Feels that way

[wide forum]

I was so excited to have v4 I remastered 21 tracks. Now 600 credits later I am going back listening to the tracks and pissed at how bad the shimmer is.

[broken knot]

Yes, they've told us it's just a beta v4. They also told us " no fixes coming to v4 any time soon" so I'm lost af

[uncut nebula]

same, but more credits...

[tired sable]

that sucks. I don't even click remaster without clicking it 2 more times now

[cobalt thistle]

Thats so painful

[humble pawn]

did they actually say this?

[tired sable]

I need at least 6 options, and usually all 6 suck and i got reroll another time or 2 to get a good remaster

[humble pawn]

like... they even said they heard the shimmer before they released the public version.

im so tempted to start throwin words that'll get me a 24 hour timeout.

[broken knot]

Yes, 4 hours ago on X they replied to someone asking about v4 shimmer glitches and said "we will fix it, but not any time soon."

[humble pawn]

gonna go to bed

[tired sable]

yes, because that's how intentional fraud works

[humble pawn]

this is actually ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛!!!!#@#!#@$23

[charred merlin]

"not immediately" -- meaning it will take time to fix, because it's not a flip of a switch.

[tired sable]

bet they get to work on it real soon if they have a class action to respond to over intentional fraud and illegally operating a gambling machine without gaming licenses

[charred merlin]

Please stop sensationalizing and comparing v4 to being murdered 😬

[humble pawn]

the switch flipped should be turning v4 off completely and for them to stop trying to fcking sell it to everyone.

fasdgljjlkdhfglksdfgh'

please time me out for 24 hours because its absolutely DIGUSTING business behaviour

[broken knot]

I have autism. I don't feel like I'm sensationalozing. This v4 broke my heart.

[vestal rapids]

v4 is fine most of the time, people are being so melodramatic

[tired sable]

commonplace in the tech sector

[wide forum]

Yeah it sucks, but don't stifle innovation with ridiculous claims of class action lawsuits. Otherwise you can never have nice things.

[broken knot]

I was super happy to wait and see how Suno would respond. "yes- not immediately, but over time as we work to improve all aspects of the music for you guys." That response mentally destroyed me.

[tired sable]

I'm autistic af and v4 is like a challenge. anyway, suno could very easily and immediately resolve the problem for consumers if they weren't more interested in defrauding us.

[torpid thicket]

I feel like V4 isn't completely done yet - Alot of my stuff I tried making with it.. they all have this weird reverbrating sound in the background

[cobalt thistle]

I have ASD too

[charred merlin]

Looks like #1308499132356362383 is leaking. G'night all 🙏

[tired sable]

we should form a group

[cobalt thistle]

yeah its very annoying

[wide forum]

the shimmer is strong with this one

[little cargo]

becoming vitriol doesnt usually ... help things

[broken knot]

V4 took everything from me. Left me with nothing. Everything I loved is gone, goodbye.

[rose jasper]

Bye 👋

[cobalt thistle]

because of the shimmer?

[midnight hatch]

Hi does anyone know how to fix wav file downloads? ive tried clearing my cache on the site but nothing works it just says "Download failed, please try again."

[rose jasper]

Just leave them be, they chose violence and not asking for help

[tired sable]

class action lawsuits move people who think they are too rich to be moved by little folk... that's kind of the point to them. If Suno wants one, they will stay their course and one is sure to find them. Alternatively, since V4 is great with unlimited rerolls and not so much when rolls are scarce, Suno could remedy the problem for the consumer by making rolls and rerolls not cost any credits but when "get whole song" applies, it costs credits for each attachment, similarly, when replace section, crop, cover or remaster is used, only one credit charge is made with free rerolls for those features. This would make it possible to get a lot of options and to screen out the ones that suck before paying with credits for completing projects.

Suno won't do that because v4 is working as intended: it is credit gluttonous

[broken knot]

The shimmer, the vocal warble is just as bad. For me, the lack of interesting or creative outputs is the death nail of v4. It just doesn't produce inspired results like the older models do.

[rose jasper]

Even after the help I gave you, you are still acting like this.

[tired sable]

that's how intentional fraud works... the problem is ignored for as long as possible without facing litigation, then as soon as litigation starts, magically the problem is fixed

[rose jasper]

If you don't like the product, you can stop using it

I've seen a lot of hate from new users, honestly we're better off

[broken knot]

Suno served me coffee that was WAAAY too hot and the lid wasn't on tight and it spilled all over my lap and caused 3rd degree burns. Which type of ointment should I be applying?

[rose jasper]

QQ < this one 😆

[tired sable]

I wish your help was actually helpful, but I went and spent another 2k credits to learn that the generator generally ignores those meta tags now

[tawdry ermine]

Can we PLEASE have 3.5 back as option for Cover songs on DESKTOP? On MOBILE it is still giving me the option to choose which version I want, but on desktop it locks me in at V4. 😦 😦

[broken knot]

We love Suno. I don't have any tattoos, but if I get one, it would be SUNO in all caps on my forehead.

[rose jasper]

Patience my friend, and if you don't want too learn, and instead chose violence, I'm not going to keep on helping. Unfortunately, but I appreciate your honesty

[tired sable]

I hate being defrauded by people who think it is their birthright to defraud folks, like they are untouchable. I have this compulsive need to reach out and touch them, in court, usually.

[rose jasper]

Good luck

[broken knot]

I'm not a new user. I subscribed in the v2 era and never looked back until v4 dropped and started curb stomping users. But I have faith that they'll fix it in six months. It's going to be a long six months.

I'm not canceling my annual subscription or anything.

[cobalt thistle]

V4.5 😭

[rose jasper]

Then chill out, breath

[tired sable]

that was intended for me, I've been using it for under a month lol

[little cargo]

getting what you want is like farting... you push to hard and you get sh*t

[rose jasper]

And Lingering hemorrhoids

[broken knot]

This is me chill. I went through the 5 stages of grief after v4 dropped. This is what "acceptance" looks like

[rose jasper]

Almost like it's a sign in life

[rose jasper]

Good, this is a great community, let's not ruin it with childish tirades

[broken knot]

My trades are far more sophisticated than a toddler's.

[rose jasper]

And instead have an adult conversation, we are not share holders, nor working for Suno

[broken knot]

I wanted v4 to be all ice cream and puppies. Instead, it's mustard on a popsicle.

[tired sable]

right, we are lowly consumers who aren't protected against fraud by any laws or anything...

[severe wave]

Can someone verify if my ears doth deceive me but if you generate Stems from the V4 songs and pull them into a DAW... I think the shimmering "lazer gun" sound goes away?

Apologies if this was mentioned already.

[broken knot]

I don't consider it fraud, just a shit model. But there are upsides to v4 if you look past it to v5.

[cobalt thistle]

v5 is December 2025 tho.

[tired sable]

v4 is great if you're "lucky" with a roll... just like a slot machine, but more like a simulated one, really.

[broken knot]

Nah, it's more like late July, if it takes as long as the move from v3 to v4, we're looking at late July v5

As long as we have some access to v3.5 it's not as if all hope is gone.

[hollow hare]

It is honestly a lot less random than what you make it sound like.
If you do not mind, can you send the prompts to me of what you were attempting to do? Maybe I can help

[tired sable]

which daw are you getting that result with?

[severe wave]

Poor Mans Audacity

[tired sable]

I haven't had that experience with audacity

used noise filters too, volume leveling, all that stuff and haven't been able to get rid of the shimmers

[polar spade]

I believe that's called "tech-grief". So that's an effect for all spectrums. I understand the delimma.

[severe wave]

Maybe I got extremely lucky on my Stems Generation?

[frosty stag]

They should add Suno.ai to steam

[little cargo]

Confirmed....

taking the stems.. putting them into audcaity.. removes the shimmer

[frosty stag]

Shimmer?

Also I’ve noticed audio clipping in some Suno.ai songs before

[little cargo]

yeah its a high pitched oscillation that happens in the background. in the new V4. Doesn't happen on every remaster . it does seem to happen in songs with cimbles. but like i said... taking the stems .. putting them in audacity.. fixes the issue. I just tested it and confirmed it.

[livid sand]

what did you do in audacity? Just recombine them into one song?

[polar spade]

As a technical comment, and late night one that few will read: I thought it interesting that I made a persona, called it Janis, from the original song which was a storyteller type song. Now all my future gens are sung by a singer with very little range and definitely not verbrato. So my songs are intentionally written as folksy 90s style to match it. She has a cool café singer personality because of the limited vocal range apparently taken from her persona.

[wide forum]

Yeah I can confirm this too. I just pulled down one of my songs and it wasn't there.

[little cargo]

yup, put both into the same project.. did a test play sounded fine.... just finied listening to a ogg export... shimmer is gone

[livid sand]

doing it now but had to relisten a few times cause the shimmer is in my head now guys lol

[little cargo]

so its possible... that the shimmer issue is a "timing" problem.. that when the stems are expoerted and recombined.. the timing is fixed

[livid sand]

anyways yeah that seems to work, should be easy to patch then i'd hope

[untold briar]

Are you stemming in Suno or something else?

[little cargo]

just taking the raw stem download

[little cargo]

the raw stem Suno downloads - droppping them un altered into audiacity... hitting play the "shimmer: is gone

its a alingment of the 2 tracks

[livid sand]

i think it's still there a lil bit but waayyy softer

anywyas much better im happy with that.

[wide forum]

Both were ran through Bandlab's Mastering with the Tape Preset. But nothing was applied in Audacity besides outputting them.

[little cargo]

did anyone check to see if the download is cleaner then the live version?

[livid sand]

yeah the download still has it

[wide forum]

The top one in my MP3s above was the Wav download and it has it.

[little cargo]

exists in wav

didnt check mp3

[wide forum]

If I can only export as MP3 I might as well stick to 3.5 🤣

[untold briar]

I have seen other people deshimmer like this. But I don't think it 100% works all the time. I for sure tested it on a super bad shimmer and it didn't work on that one. But it is worth a try.

[little cargo]

i think the root of is it that if simply dropping it into a DAW and exporting fixes or improves the issue.. then.. its really an alingment issue of the stems. because that would be the only thing changed.

i checked both stems before i dropped them in. the shimmer was indeed there in the separate pieces.

[untold briar]

I did use Davinci Resolve instead of Audacity, which I guess theoretically could make a difference

Maybe I'll test again later in week

[cobalt thistle]

Shimmer sound 😭

[charred merlin]

Fairlight is better than it has any right to be. Same for the whole program, really.

[humble pawn]

.... wait. you've hidden the shimmer.

[humble pawn]

wait a sec...

WAIT are you guys figuring this out, because i am excited now

[severe wave]

A few of us have had luck with generating Stems on V4s that have shimmer or the "NES Lazergun" effect and then pulled them into a DAW with improved results

[humble pawn]

So.. Get stems -> download each stem -> drop into DAW -> export?

no way...

[severe wave]

Yep or just play in there

[humble pawn]

HOLD UP

[little cargo]

well - my test was done with audacity

[severe wave]

Same

[humble pawn]

hmm gonna try with FL first.

you DL wav or mp3?

[severe wave]

WAV

[little cargo]

use wav.. its uncompressed

suppsed to be.. lol

[humble pawn]

well yeah, should always work with WAV if possible.

[little cargo]

that or ogg but ogg is not a option

[humble pawn]

interesting i cant even download MP3 on the stems OR the main track

wait sorry, WAV

yeah it wont let me grab wav, tf?

nvm needed a refresh lol, sorry excited

[wispy zealot]

I've successfully been able to remaster my track that works BETTER than Suno's current v4 Remaster
Isolating the vocals and instrumentals and remastering them seperately is the key. Take the tracks and reverse engineer some audio stems and compile in DAW

[humble pawn]

@little cargo @severe wave yeah so ive downloaded the mp3s and the wavs. the MP3 has the shimmer. the WAV does not.

For some reason my VOCAL stem in WAV format has weird artifacts (bloop noises randomly, that arent in the MP3 track, or on whatever version is cached on the site)

[severe wave]

Can always generate the stems again

Not ideal I know

[humble pawn]

yeah but this is an instrumental track, the vocal stem should be empty.

which on the MP3 copy it is.

[little cargo]

i can hear the vocals in most of my instrumental stems... kinda like the DJ with the cheap karaoke radio

[humble pawn]

yeah regenerating and redownloading, same bloop issue on wav.

infact throughout play, the vocal stem has static. and weird noises

which are not present in the mp3.

[little cargo]

is that a remaster?

[humble pawn]

BUT the mp3 instrumental has the shimmer

[little cargo]

some of the stuff ive heard v4 remaster... has added some crazy sounds in the song...

[humble pawn]

i think the model is incorrectly aligning something like you guys said, or w.e. the answer to this is somehow in or around the generation of the MP3. im sure the site plays the MP3 versions to save bandwidth.

this is not a remaster, no.

[little cargo]

to generate a mp3 you compress a wav or a ogg

[humble pawn]

yeah, something is wrong with their compression with this version then

this is amazing findings, good work

[little cargo]

maybe

ive also noted it seems to happen with songs with cimbles

when i first heard it i thought it was improper reverb on something high pitched

[humble pawn]

whats REALLY weird that I just checked... the shimmer is still there in the WAV of the original. it is ONLY gone when stemmed.

[little cargo]

my stem tests had the shimmer..putting them into audacity and hitting play seriously imporved the 3 songs i tested.

[small lantern]

What the hell is that weird noise?
It should be better when it's updated.
This is absolutely unacceptable.

[high cipher]

I'm still looking for the guy who sneaks in "rattlesnakes" into my remasters 😁

[foggy shale]

it definitely seems worse with 3.5 -> 4

[little cargo]

download the stems combine song in audacity

[foggy shale]

Personas are pretty consisten with new stuff im finding

[humble pawn]

TOP FILE is the ORIGINAL with shimmer.
BOTTOM FILE is the instrumental stem from using GET STEMS on the track, then downloading it as WAV.

[severe wave]

I'm off to bed.. figured I'd share the Stem Deal after I tried it out.. have a song I'm trying to rescue 😄

[misty oyster]

Im getting the same problem

please suno fix this

🔪

[foggy shale]

wow ok yeah thats a big difference

[little cargo]

download the stems combine song in audacity..

[misty oyster]

Will do, thank you

[foggy shale]

I really hope this is some weird compression issue that can be (relatively) easily addressed

[little cargo]

shimmer
https://suno.com/song/513896d7-b7f3-4b4a-ac3e-be56632b705d

the ogg is after downloading stems.. and recombining ..

the shimmer gets real bad after about 50% into the song

[humble pawn]

Im gonna test this with THIS track. this is the worst SHIMMER ive had experience with:
https://suno.com/song/9e9a653a-a2fc-4611-a184-bb3af500faa0

[foggy shale]

oh yeah, definitely, wow that's strong on the original

[pale mica]

what the hell 😔

[little cargo]

Im gussing its alingment?

[foggy shale]

this one almost works with it hahahaha

[foggy shale]

or compression

[dry sorrel]

that's yolk's theory yeah, since stacking covers "fixes" shimmer, if slowly.

[humble pawn]

its like 95% gone. WTF!
maybe some insight here to the type of sound that triggers it.

[dry sorrel]

seems to effect every genre so I don't think it's triggered by sound.

[little cargo]

stacking remasters can get better or worse.

[humble pawn]

wait yolk is still hovering around? where the yolk at?!

[warm parrot]

🙃

This new discovery makes me really question what's causing the shimmer

[pale mica]

maybe it waiting for the FX command (my low effort theory 🤧)

[humble pawn]

it makes me increasingly hopeful for the fix

[dry sorrel]

he's around. probably sleeping atm but idk.

[dry sorrel]

yeah depends on if you can keep the song on track or not.

[little cargo]

it cant be to complex if simply dropping into audacity causes a improvement.. i mean.. there is no reprocessing.. or ajustment.. the onlything audacity might do is resample it? or aling it somehome a lil diff

[foggy shale]

its gotta be compression related

[little cargo]

if your working with a WAV then the assumption is your not woking with compression

[humble pawn]

Im at the very least, relieved that the awesome songs I thought were trashed. are actually completely fine.

[copper cloud]

What do you guys mean by shimmer?

[little cargo]

background occilation

hi pitched

[humble pawn]

check this track at 1:40 ish, and like 2:00 onwards. #📚┃suno-school message

the repeating metallic ticking.

[little cargo]

if you scoll up youll see two song i dropped into chat

[pale mica]

coding error or something

[little cargo]

one an example

[foggy shale]

if it were purely an "alignment" issue we'd be getting more phasing artifacts

[copper cloud]

Oh weird I haven't had that problem

[little cargo]

yeah but what does noise soundlike out of phase?

[foggy shale]

and the compression can explain other issues with the model output so far, out of phase noise is quieter and "pinker" i think.

[little cargo]

ok going to test the insturmental stem by its self and not blend the vocal stem... if its alingment.. the shimmer should persist..

[foggy shale]

im making that up

[copper cloud]

Wtf it said "steck" and not "step"

[warm parrot]

nah I used the stem separator on a purely instrumental track, no vocals.

The vocal steam was basically silence, I didn't merge it back in.

it improved the shimmer...

[humble pawn]

my tests i threw the vocal stem away, didnt use it. since i do instrumental stuff. (again with that 2nd track, the vocal stem had strange blips and bloops)

[foggy jasper]

you're a fkin genius

I hope you know

may the wobble gods be forever in your favor

[humble pawn]

i feel so damn relieved its crazy

[humble pawn]

omg how clean is that dub track gonna be now

[foggy jasper]

brooo

I have to dm you

its nuts

[humble pawn]

.
TOP - raw, shimmered.
BOTTOM - Instrumental stem. Shimmer gone.

Note the areas around 1:40 and 2:00 onward.

[little cargo]

something happens... taking the stem playing outside of audacity.. it exists. audacity is doing something.

[primal forum]

it works for the most part. i still feel like i can hear the echo of it but miles better than og: #🗣️┃chill-chat message

[little cargo]

i think it might be resampling it

[warm parrot]

it's still there on the the stem, but it was better

[humble pawn]

but then i wonder, is it really? or is it some wonky riser/atmos/reverb to begin with.
because that track is already glitched. the weird space 2:00 onwards, is because its a covered remaster of an uploaded song with a fadeout on it.

[little cargo]

im gonna hit it... goodnight you all 🙂

[daring talon]

overloaded

been waiting 10min for a song to gen

?

[final ivy]

hi, I just subscribed a Pro plan, but my account is still normal and nothing has changed, what should i do, I tried restore, relogin and it still doesn't work

[warm parrot]

what's crazy is playing the stem on site STILL has the shimmer, but once you download it as a wav it's just GONE

crazy

[quasi steppe]

what are these for?

the ones below reuse prompt since i already know that one lol

[warm parrot]

remaster makes it again in V4, Cover lets you remake the same song but in a different genre, Personas creates a virtual artist based on the song that you can then use to gen other similar songs.

[humble pawn]

cover song, is to generate the song in new ways, like change it from a rap song to a country song, while keeping the same notes/vocals, etc.
persona turns the song into a template of its vibe to make whole new songs, so as to make a whole new song with potentially the same vocalist, or instrumental style.
remaster is a rigid/stiff version of cover, that keeps it the same exact style and notes, with slide variations in feel.

[quasi steppe]

[humble pawn]

use cover if you wanna change the song into different genre.
use persona if you want new songs that sound like that song.
use remaster, to hear tight variations of the same song.

[copper cloud]

It won't let me generate songs :(

[final ivy]

hi, I just subscribed a Pro plan, but my account is still normal and nothing has changed, what should i do, I tried restore, relogin and it still doesn't work

[quasi steppe]

also what about this one can i upload my own voice and have it turn into a song or something

[warm parrot]

it's very late in US where Suno is based, so you may have some trouble getting help now for this.

I recommend emailing [e-mail].

[final ivy]

😭😭ok thank you

[karmic pewter]

For the "laser" sounds or whatever we're calling them, spectrogram shows a wall of repeating pattern in some types of instruments/sounds, and not on other types.

My random largely uneducated guess is that it involves a bad dataset, or an artifact inherent of the type of model used.

Similar artifacts were present in, now old and superseeded, audio instrumental/acapella models. I think the first MDX models from 2-4 years ago? I recall attempting to clean up acapellas with these same artifacts. Anyways, I'm sure with time and more training the team will have a better model.

[warm parrot]

I'm not so sure it's the model anymore

[foggy shale]

o1 says: Compressing an audio recording can produce pre-echo artifacts that sound similar to the ringing effect caused by a microphone approaching a speaker. Both involve unintended resonances or echoes that precede the main sound, stemming from the way systems process and reproduce audio signals.

[karmic pewter]

Apparently, running the song through "Get Stems" gets rid of it (but makes the result sound a bit less crisp and less full). An interesting data point but hard to speculate since we don't know how Suno works or their work flow. I will randomly speculate that it has something to do with the "resolution" settings of how they do their output for V4, inherent of the "quality" they want to obtain for V4

[soft flower]

It's gonna be my birthday in 40 minutes, this shimmer fix is the best present I could've gotten. If they fix the other stuff too, it'll be even better. Thanks for finding a solution ❤️

[copper cloud]

Happy almost birthday!

My birthday is in 8 days!

[warm parrot]

okay here's something interesting... if you've got 2 similar audio files and put them in audacity, invert one of them, then mix and render. It should just give you the difference between them...

I wanted to try it with a instrumental before and after stem, to try and isolate the shimmer itself... but it didn't do this because appearantly the tracks are VERY different

[copper cloud]

why is v4 not working now 🥲

"elevated usage" 🥲🥲🥲

[daring talon]

other than elevated usages. im loving v4

[soft flower]

Happy early birthday to you too! You're even closer to thanksgiving than I am, must suck lol

[copper cloud]

I'm ON Thanksgiving this year

We'll see if it sucks

Wow don't put "in the style of" in the style description it will literally just sing it

[uncut pumice]

Am I being charged credits when it gets stuck & never produces the track??

[copper cloud]

Same

[uncut pumice]

Never happened with 3.5

[lofty geyser]

Why can't I make personas? I'm using covers of uploads but it's saying they're uploads

[distant carbon]

If the shimmer is pretty consistent then a DAW & even Audacity will let you remove that once it has analysed it. Of course once a track is edited outside Suno there is no way you can upload it back, but of course doesn't stop the track being used on any other site such as YT. It seems they should be able to do a quick fix in Suno by adding something in Remaster that will remove the shimmer effect because it is a known sound which they could get the LLM to remove.

[daring lava]

Is this still happening?

[daring talon]

yeah

[copper cloud]

Yes

[daring talon]

lots commodore 64 glitch effects lol

[delicate sedge]

i think i am so i will comeback another time. has this elevated usage been a thing since v4 came out?

[daring talon]

whats this glitchy sound thats in almost every track

its like digital delay clip

[foggy shale]

"The Shimmer"

[daring lava]

If you continue getting failed generations please ping me

[daring talon]

im just tryna use up my creds before roll over haha.

[distant carbon]

I think it is because V3.5 which what V4 will be based on & probably used a lot of it's traning is the problem. V4 is more clearer & the AI is picking up the sounds that were masked by the poorer audio qulaity & is converting those masked sounds into the shimmering because I think it adds reverb. People say if you add reverb, echo etc (maybe ethereal & ambient as well) in the negative prompt (the remove styles box) it dampens it down a bit so not pronounced.

[daring talon]

i c

if i could gen a track lol

[uncut pumice]

I never had this issue before. go through 30 minutes of setting up a prompt...just for it to get stuck..and maybe getting charged too. very upsetting.

[daring talon]

but then 1 will appear randomly generating

[distant carbon]

You are not charged for tracks that are not genned, you don't get charged if a track is genned initially but fails to fully gen it, you get the credits back.

[daring talon]

had a song gen that was 3 seconds lol

[copper cloud]

Tf?

[daring talon]

5 seconds sorry

[copper cloud]

Oh that's fine /s

[copper cloud]

I literally had a cover just like that

[lofty geyser]

what is shimmer?

[daring talon]

nice

[unkempt fractal]

Is v4 good now?

[daring talon]

its out the gate

best version yet. tbh. ive only gen a few pages so far. but some of them have avoided that monotonous 'resolution" of a 4 or 8 count

https://suno.com/song/6bf00fce-71fc-41a7-bb2e-c6bb090b5277
but yet im using prompts like
"brutal death jazz, wonky dubstep"

[warm parrot]

it's got some glaring problems though, metal/rock is just dead in the water due to shimmer

[distant carbon]

sorry for that, I missed the "not" regarding the charges 😆

[daring talon]

but that shimmer is across everything. mainy bass guitar/percussive instruments

listen around 2:30 of that song

[unkempt fractal]

I have it almost in every track

[daring talon]

is that the shimmer? i hear it on every v4 song so far but its like an effect. its not on everything \

[warm parrot]

yup that's shimmer

[daring talon]

k

haha

[unkempt fractal]

I can hear it so others can hear it too ;(((

[daring talon]

its not bad. but its not good

its funny the first few times

[unkempt fractal]

🙂

[foggy shale]

go further up the history, there's some mitigation techniques with stems

[daring talon]

yeah . pass

thanks anyway

[foggy shale]

I get it

[daring talon]

ill wait. wont be long. ppl are smart. they will fix it

[unkempt fractal]

its mostly sad 😉 I have soo good tracks but this noise is very annoying

[distant carbon]

it's also on V3.5 gens as well now because I think they are all using the V4 LLM hence why replace section forces V4 & personas & covers doesn't work for V3.5

[unkempt fractal]

I hope so

[daring talon]

yeah hope we can intance them in future . we can in a wya now with replace sections right?

im wondering as a game developer if i can random gen promp a suno song per user in the game.

like GTA radio stations lol

if it has python base api that would grant access 🙂

[mint heron]

Sorry, could I ping you about some other problems, yestoday, v4 and remasters would not work for me, v4 is selected, but all songs is just v3.5, and are tagged as such, and remaster thing keeps returning me 2 second clips with some random clicking sound.

[daring talon]

i made a whole album using 3 word prompt and about 2000 gen's. lol 🙂

better than a spotify subscription lol

[mint heron]

now, v4 I guess works, but remaster is still broken.

[daring talon]

i just cant gen a song. havent been able to in about 30min

ill try v3.5

yeah sweet as. 🙂

[unkempt fractal]

I still have the background noise, don't you?

[subtle gull]

I took forever for my last one to gen

[mint heron]

I dont know, v4 started working? for me only just now, remaster gives me 2 second long generations. You people are realy lucky.

[inland wharf]

having problems with v4 generation? so am i

[tribal solar]

Me 2

[unkempt fractal]

v4 doesn't generate any songs

[tribal solar]

But take my tokens 😦

[inland wharf]

had a 10 song job. 2 have rendered after a few minutes but i still got 8 to go

the first two were instrumental, not a difficult task by any means

[unkempt fractal]

😭

[inland wharf]

its getting there

at least the songs have a preview, thats all i can really ask for

[unkempt fractal]

yes, but stilll with a backgorund noise under the music part

[empty cloud]

Same, tried generating three test prompts and they came as usual but then dissapeared

[fluid vault]

Issues with suno atm?

Hi all! BTW, it's been a while!

[empty cloud]

Hi! Seems like v4 ain't generating anything for me right now.

[rain grove]

Hi! I just got onto the Discord. How’s everyone doing? I’m actually having a problem with my SUNO. I keep getting a 422 error, does anyone know how to fix that?😅

[fluid vault]

@rain grove seems to be a global issue, I'm sure it's being worked on

[tired sable]

so the best practice is to download the WAV instrumental and MP3 vocal stems, then add both to audacity project, then remaster both tracks then recombine?

[empty cloud]

Oh it did! Might be overloaded then, refreshed the site a few times and after a few mins they seem to appear

[fluid vault]

@empty cloud thanks! Was just curious. Probably high volume

[rain grove]

Ah…I see. Thank you. I thought it was just mine. Appreciate the help.😁

[fluid vault]

@rain grove np, try again after a bit

[rain grove]

Ok🤘🏻

[unkempt fractal]

Can you remove background noise using audacity?

[broken knot]

I don't think so. You need a DAW with plug-ins such as Waves Z-noise, Sonnox Denoiser, Acon Denoise 2. Those 3 are the gold standard. There are others but I use a combination of those 3 specifically. You also have to be very careful using them or you're going to overdo it and ruin the audio quality.

Using only one of 3 isn't great. At least 2 out of 3 to fix noise on a track. In my opinion.

And I have a god tier setup with a ton of experience specifically specializing in noise reduction on audio recordings.

If there is a way to run those plug-ins in Audacity, I wouldn't want to see that. There might be, but it's a really basic program.

Sonox Denoiser is on a black Friday sale 40 bucks. That's a heck of a deal. 200 dollars off the usual price.

I didn't check the current deals for the other ones but it is black Friday

[grave lark]

Hello everyone! ^^ Can I ask you a question? I'm using V4, but in every song I generate there like a buzzing sound in the background... It's the same for all the song... Do anyone of you have this problem too?

[broken knot]

64-bit daw, 64-bit plugins. That's what you want.

[broken knot]

We all have it. Suno addressed it about 10 hours ago on X saying they will eventually fix it, but not to expect any immediate hotfix.

[leaden pike]

V4 songs are loading to oblivion. Is just me or ppl are getting the same issue?

[grave lark]

Oh ok... It's good to know that Suno is working on a solution tho... ^^ Thanks for your answer!

[broken knot]

So I hope it's addressed in the v4 final version since we are currently in a beta v4 version and the "shimmer" noise as we are calling it, for whatever reason, will be fixed, hopefully by Christmas. At least it's been acknowledged once by Suno on X. Very brief mention, but it's better than a poke in the eye.

[snow scroll]

Hi, pretty new to this stuff, but having great fun ! … I used my voice on an audio upload of a song in 3.5 and it came out pretty good resemblance, but when I upgraded it to V4 , “my” voice kinda disappeared … Anyone else notice that ? … nice rich sounds on v4 , but my voice gone even using the same reference file 🤔

[grave lark]

The "shimmer" xD Sounds like Arcane stuff...

[broken knot]

I call it a "broken projector noise" but the Shimmer Noise is what caught on. M. Night Shyamalan teamed up with Suno and bought the rights to produce the film version of The Shimmer Noise.

It's supposed to be very spooky.

[grave lark]

Can't wait to buy tickets then 😐 I already imagine the Soundtrack that, you guessed it, is made with Suno V4 XD

[broken knot]

The script was mostly AI generated has me a bit worried, but he is doing the whole soundtrack himself using Suno.

[raven steppe]

V4 no like making songs lol

[broken knot]

Bro, someone literally already isolated the noise using audio deboise plugins, made a track of the noise itself, uploaded it to Suno and made a track in v4. It's horrifying.

[grave lark]

Link please 😐

[placid whale]

hey, I just got the pro subscription, when I try to create a song it starts creating it, I see an image & name and when I click on it, even lyrics
however it will not get created, and then when I refresh, it just disappears..... any one has any clue??

[jade mist]

Why can't I master any of my V2 songs? The option isn't even available

[sharp palm]

if you refresh on the library page gens eventually show up

[broken knot]

Are you sure? I tracked the link down. Make sure your volume isn't set too loud.

https://suno.com/song/18566bad-2f23-4839-98d5-927841f641d2

[leaden pike]

Is a general issue. Maybe guys from Team will drop an announcement about V4 issue and fix it meanwhile. Either someone added a coma in the code instead of a dash or AI decided to throw a rebellion 😄

[sharp palm]

right now the system is pretty backlogged so it's taking 5-10 minutes or so

[placid whale]

ah, I see

thanks!

[distant carbon]

I will tell tyou why. V3.5 & V4 are now on the same server hence you have to use V4 for replace section. The older ones will be on another server, the original one that V3.5 was also using. The shimmer effect is now on V3.5 songs, not as noticeable because the audio quality is not as good. and of course that is why there will be no fix for V3.5, it's on the V4 LLM now unless they add a feature to use replace section for V3.5. I suspect tho it uses V4 even for genning V3.5 but is just dumbed down in quality.

[broken knot]

Shimstrumental music is the best thing Suno ever did for the world. It's all downhill from the new groundbreaking Shimstrumental genre.

Forget Rap, Blues, Rock, or anything like that. Too mainstream.

It has an underappreciated, often misunderstood musical quality, unwanted noise.

[unkempt fractal]

Thanks. I bought 10000 credits on the day of v4 announcement. If it will only be fixed by Christmas that will be a big loss. 😭

[distant carbon]

Don't you keep the credits forever tho as long as you are subscribed?

[unkempt fractal]

Its for a month

[broken knot]

The credits system could stand to be more fair. Let us pause our account or let us roll credits over. Losing credits is just ruthless.

[distant carbon]

Well you can gen in V4 & fix the shimmer issues in Audacity or a DAW.

[unkempt fractal]

How can you pause your account?

[broken knot]

That's a lot of extra work for something that's supposed to be straightforward or I'd be right with you on that.

[unkempt fractal]

How? I don't know these apps

[broken knot]

You currently can't. I wish they'd give us an option to pause our account temporarily and retain credits rather than making credits expire each month.

[distant carbon]

"Purchased top up credits do not expire, but require an active subscription to use." So did you instead sub for a month on the Premier Plan?

[broken knot]

Purchased top up credits sound nice.

[merry bear]

That shimmer affect, is that where it sounds like someone is hitting the cymbol button on a drum pad way too fast?

[distant carbon]

They do work out more expensive - not sure of how much they are but not overly expensive if you say have a pro plan & need credits. Of course you may not receive the 50 credits a day once your sub credits run out, don't know on that one.

[potent rock]

has anyone noticed that the female voice is too loud when using v4?

[merry bear]

Just wanna clarify what people are talking about

[broken knot]

But you have to not be a free user? I guess it doesn't affect me personally since I always just buy an annual subscribsction. I plan to renew. Depending on the situation, I'd like the more expensive plan. Currently I'm on the cheap plan. It's not enough credits but as long as v4 is trash it's too many credits. Doh!

I buy the annual subscriber deal.

[jade mist]

I think the stupid sound bugs will be fixed when V4 is available for free. Nobody wants to fix them with a Daw.

[merry bear]

Maybe that is what people are talking about. Anyway, at least the song are coming out in better quality, I can ignore the shimmer affect. Most of my listeners still like the songs that come out, and some genres skip it if you don't use a genre with crash cymbols.

[broken knot]

It actually covers a multitude of garbage noises, pretty much any noise you might here on a v4 track that isn't directly related to the vocal sounding warbly. So it includes pops, clicks, woosh sounds and a sound of a projector breaking

[distant carbon]

Audacity is a free program that you can download & install on a desktop (or laptop of course). And you can do various audio editing it & add effects & also remove noise. It also has a AI module you can add (alsofree) that allows you to seperate the individual tracks like vocals, instruments, far better than the poor attempt that is in Suno. A DAW is a digital audio workstation & has far more features & is also used to control MIDI & add things like synth modules to use with a synth etc.

[merry bear]

I've only ever heard the too many cymbols sound. Huh. Weird. Maybe I'm not listening closely enough and that sound is just more grating than the others.

[modest patrol]

Are paying members no longer prioritized? in the gen queue? Nothing is progressing for me just spinners everywhere

[distant carbon]

So basically if you can isolate the shimmer noise you can tell the program (Audacity or DAW) to remove that from the track. Also other tools would probably do it.

[broken knot]

I think you responded to the wrong guy on accident. I have Adobe Audacity with Sonnox Denoiser, Waves Z-noise, and Acon Denoise 2. That's the gold standard. Why should I have to restore audio from AI music. I'll use the Udio model daily and wait for Suno to drop v4 fixes.

[eager rampart]

Trying to create now but servers are busy? 😦

[rain grove]

Is anyone else having trouble logging into their accounts? I’ve been trying to get to mine but I can’t for some reason.

[ripe hazel]

Hello Guys, if i have a premium licence can i sell the music i created?

[broken knot]

I think they might be having technical issues on the website the last couple of days

[eager rampart]

no but can’t create now, something is going on

[quartz grove]

Anyone else cant generate songs? It just looks like this for few minutes and gives me and error

[merry bear]

Probably a bug with V4

[eager rampart]

Yup

[rain grove]

I know. I’ve been trying to login and so far I’ve made several other profiles other than the one I need to get into.

[broken knot]

Take the lyrics about "curb stomping" out of your song... that's what works for me.

[distant carbon]

You shouldn't have to. However if people are using credits or they have songs that have problems they are not worthless, they can be fixed even if Suno won't get their thumb out to do it anytime soon.

[quartz grove]

no such lyrics in these songs

[broken knot]

My sense of humor, because such words will trigger such issues but in this case it seems to be technical issues on the website

[quartz grove]

i have been having this issue for like a week now

[broken knot]

Make sure you emailed Suno Support. Sorry to hear about your issues. I am paused using Suno a few weeks, hoping a v4 patch comes in 3 weeks. Not wasting my credits on current v4 unless I'm forced to.

I already wasted 350 credits on v4. That was overkill imo

[twilit veldt]

Time to give up and try in a couple of hours... no or slow generations

[terse raptor]

what is support email please anyone help! They kilee dpersonas v 3.5 and i cant continue my workflow

[broken knot]

[e-mail]

[smoky condor]

I think it's time to unsub and wait for v5

[terse raptor]

thank you so much !

[broken knot]

Seems drastic if you subscribe annually like I do. If you subscribe monthly, seems like a wise move. However, v4 is going to be massively improved once we get out of the beta phase and I haven't lost hope on v4.5 but v5 will hopefully bring realism so I understand waiting. If v5 launches smoothly and goes great, that would be so good for the community. We deserve a decent v5 launch.

[modest patrol]

only issue as a yearly sub is I can't use my creds right now and my creds won't roll over each month (stupid policy btw). they need to do a better job of autoscaling by kicking off free tiers when under load like this. I can't get work done

[broken knot]

Don't you use Udio as a backup?

I don't mean to hype Udio but there's nothing wrong with the current 1.6 version of udio on the 32 second model. Skip the two minutes model. It needs work. Looking forward to v2 of Udio. It could be a gamechanger. Unfortunately, Suno v4 is a dud so far.

[broken knot]

It's easy enough to spend all your Suno monthly credits in a day or two. So I'm waiting 3 weeks to use my credits this month hoping a v4 fix materializes earlier than expected. Seems everyone's credits this month and possibly next month are as good as wasted.

[hasty hatch]

I'm guessing we're all having the same problem then guys. It was working for me last night fine and now nothing is generating

[broken knot]

I don't know if everyone is. But certainly most people are having technical issues on the Suno site right now

[ripe hazel]

where can i contact the support?

[broken knot]

[e-mail]

[merry bear]

Plus there's still other versions that still work, if not sounding as great, so just skipping out Cuz a whole bunch of people are using a brand new feature and it's having understandable bugs is definitely drastic

[ebon river]

v4 is a new feature, there is going to be bugs. Especially with high usage. End of the day, if I could create music in a more traditional way I would, but as I can't, AI is my only option

[smoky condor]

I would never subscribe yearly for a service that renews the credits monthly. That sounds like a trap tbh 😂

[broken knot]

They got me. I got got.

[polar estuary]

Hi there!
Even though no credits are being used when generation fails, it's still frustrating as a subscriber. We pay for a service that should work reliably. They could at least give a few credits back for the problem, especially if you have subscribed. It shouldn't be this frustrating. At least for me.

[broken knot]

I'm in a Suno cult now.

Once you reach the highest level of Suno you find out it's a Scientology thing

[smoky condor]

Lmfao

[robust ermine]

nice touch adding the x2 to remasters (probably covers too?)

[copper cloud]

I just want to make songs ;-;

[hot trout]

Has anyone else had any luck with generations this morning? I woke up early to work, and... nothing works.

[agile cypress]

same

[copper cloud]

It's not working for anyone I think

[karmic pewter]

Yeah I had tried that, also with v3.5 some time ago, and the final file vs the Stems produced are not the same. The Stems produced by Suno are not a regular "extraction" that you can simply put together, like if you had an instrumental and an acapella of a normal song for example, or if you did a vocal extraction with UVR/etc.

Contrary to Suno's rival that sounds like it uses Demucs, Suno's Stems seems to be part of their processing, as in they put the audio through their processing, it reconstructs it a bit, and it puts it back together, hence why when you try to invert, it kinda does it but also doesn't at all and even goes out of sync.

[eager nacelle]

Has anyone noticed this more flickering sound in the background in version 4? in version 3.5 its not present..

[hot trout]

I have noticed occasional random sound effects.

[mellow depot]

Yes, and I also get this echo when doing remaster from 3.5 to 4.

[lime sail]

Yes! a lot.. i hoped it would be solved in the v4, but sadly not

[hot trout]

Which stinks, because other than that, I LOVE the sound of my generations in v4. Of course, that was yesterday. We will see what happens when they get it up and running again.

[karmic pewter]

Yeah, that's what's being discussed all over here

[karmic pewter]

And no, you can't really denoise it either. I already tried with RX. Maybe reduce it a bit with a concoction of methods but at that point you might be ruining the actual listenability of the audio

I figured out a hacky way to get rid of the shimmer/lasers by combining the results of the Stems with the original audio, but it doesn't as great.

[tardy coral]

V4 remastering isn't working for me at the moment, either gets refunded or only generates a partial section.. Has team commented on this yet? I assume it'll get resolved but wondering if anyone else is getting the same problem

[pallid ridge]

I am on premium account but cant generate

[hollow hare]

Well, you see, timezone is a thing. Iirc, issues relating to this started a few hrs ago and it's like 4:42 AM in Eastern USA right now

[glacial jacinth]

Anyone have encountered Suno creating 1:1 remix of any popular song lyrics that you submitted?

[tardy coral]

I couldnt generate v4 yesterday, so I created a 2nd account and on that one it worked fine.

[pallid ridge]

i have paid for a year so dont think making a new account is solution :))

[hollow hare]

Self explanatory. The cause of it could be quite various though. E.g. maybe there is actualy a whole bunch queued up (either by lots of people or bots submitting requests), a DDOS affecting the pipeline, an error that partially broke the system, etc.
Chances are that it will not be fixed until the work hours start, so maybe in like 5–8 hours we will see services restored?

[pallid ridge]

ok thanks, will try later

[hollow hare]

If you still have the creative urge in you and want to make something in the mean time, may I suggest:

• Looking into AI videos to make a music video
• AI art (highly recommend flux)
• Other AI music services
• Something else (e.g. play games, watch videos, read)

[pallid ridge]

already using all those, flux dev with comfyui, and kling for video 🙂

[hot trout]

I just had a couple of generations that I started a long while ago and that had disappeared from my Create page when I refreshed mysteriously reappear there, completed. Maybe the logjam is clearing?

[hollow hare]

Or slowly getting through and yours came up, hmm. There are going to be a lot of people complaining about apps many generations made becauaw they kept smashing the submit button

(This type of thing is rare since the server upgrade from 3.0 release, but when it does happen, same story told...)

[hot trout]

I usually generate in batches of ten, just because it gives me a lot of different directions to examine all at once, so yeah, I got dumped on a bit, but that was as intended, LOL.

[hollow hare]

@hybrid vine Instrumental tags are a thing btw, you can even (somewhat) specify how you want things to happen (within limits which is like any 3 instruments at one time with ideally 3 or so keywords per tag?)

An old example of that I like to show is RayanAIR's Novo Lands which shows how flexible these tags are

[hybrid vine]

I use bing because it's 100% free, and even if it's not perfect, it's really impressive what it can do. There are some pop culture characters that can be generated with it too (not all though)

[cursive jetty]

great you pay premium and cant render 🐩 💩 im still get the same message

[untold rain]

Me too

And I'm premier

[tight spade]

i still cant do it but im not worried 3.5 works . there doing something they just really suck at comunicating

[untold rain]

Yeah but I need v4 now 🤣

[tight spade]

215 am here so im listing to tunes writing music and checking out pps profiles on suno lol

[cursive jetty]

im getting vocal issues on 3.5 🫣 🙄

[tight spade]

some really talented ppl out there that have little or none exsposure

[tight spade]

i dunno im fine

[tight spade]

logout and in

[cursive jetty]

🍻 been there done that - even jumped local and vpn around the world in 80 beats - nada🥵

[tight spade]

weird i dunno man sry

i notice that my v4 gens that i got that message are now poppping up randomly

[pseudo vale]

Rock songs with heavy drums now have strange audio with some wavy stuff happening turning it almost 8-bit

[untold rain]

The queue is getting done

[rain grove]

Has anyone else had this problem, where whenever I plug my number in it makes a new profile?

[untold rain]

Phone number is used to create accounts, you cant link it to an existing profile

[tight spade]

yes you can

[untold rain]

Yeah but you need to be logged in first

[tight spade]

theres that lol

[rain grove]

Dang it. Then how do I get back into my account? I wanna make more songs🥲

I tried the other login options but they kept making new profiles

[untold rain]

Which system did you used to create it?

[rain grove]

My iPhone why?

[patent tangle]

hi i have a question. i am trying to create a song in danish but everytime i press create it says, a system error, please wait for other generations to finish or a clip got stuck in creating the music..
can anyone help?

[untold rain]

wait for the queue to generate your song

[tight spade]

its a issue right now i would use 3.5 version not 4

[pseudo vale]

Personas are also locked to v4 now, which means my whole album got one band I was making is completely fucked

Can’t get it to generate the drums without a ridiculous 8-Bit bullsjit

[patent tangle]

that was also what i found out but still after using 3,5 its not working

could it be because i dont have a paid plan?

[tight spade]

unfortunately im having issues too just have to wait it out

im premier

[burnt needle]

Anyone else not able to generate music atm?

[tight spade]

yes

[rain grove]

I already emailed support so hopefully they get back to me about this. But is there anything I can to do on my end to get back into my account?

[tight spade]

try a diffrent browser

clear cookies and cache

[rain grove]

Like safari?

I usually use chrome for everything.

[tight spade]

yes

[pseudo vale]

Hard Rock is just not good with v4 from what I can tell.

[tight spade]

firefox edge or even a tor

[pseudo vale]

V3.5 is better with drum generation

[tight spade]

https://suno.com/song/972906e5-cd19-497c-aa69-369f06cb5038 << nu mettal is good when it behaves ,

[pseudo vale]

Yeah your drums are working

Mine are being 8-Bit

It’s annoying

You can hear it here https://suno.com/song/6152b1e8-de7f-4d3c-bc6e-707e2c793579

[tight spade]

use this in the exclude : Feedback, feedback loupe, cross talk, reverb, bass -1,

[cosmic valve]

Is there any word on what is causing the stuttering sound artifacts in the v4 generations?

[tight spade]

then in styles tyype in : clean drums

[pseudo vale]

Lemme give this a whirl

[torn spoke]

loupe or loop?

[tight spade]

also try clean electric guitars

loupe

or use both

also is styles "NO feedback"

[torn spoke]

anybody else being blocked from generating right now?

[tight spade]

yes

im premeir

[torn spoke]

same

[tight spade]

just wait it out 3.5 works

v4 gen are taking 15 min to 40 mins for me they just pop up randomly

[pseudo vale]

Can’t use personas with 3.5

[tight spade]

no they are no v4

[tight spade]

if your free no\

[pseudo vale]

Not free

[leaden pawn]

I find that error comes up, the songs are removed from the queue, but refresh the create page and they're there.

[mystic portal]

are there any known server issues right now? i cant seem to generate any songs at the moment

[tight spade]

yes im having issue as my friends all over the place

read the comments above

from Canada to berlin Sweden and Philippines, use 3.5

[patent tangle]

do you guys know of another ai thats working rn?

[tight spade]

yuh ver 3.5 workd

v 3 works

v2 works

[patent tangle]

i am stilling getting the error "a clip got stuck while generating"

[leaden pawn]

Refresh the create page?

[tight spade]

yup thats the same isse alot of ppk are having just use vr 3.5 v4 is taking a long time

[pseudo vale]

I’d use 3.5 but I can’t make personas with them atm. I’m not a free user

So idk what the hell

[patent tangle]

alr using v3.5 dont hav the paid plan

[tight spade]

i have paid plan

[pseudo vale]

Paid plan as well, not allowed to make 3.5 personas

Only v4

Which puts me on halt

[tight spade]

since v4 is not working the personas were migrated to v4

so sol too ...

[pseudo vale]

Yeah they shouldn’t have made Personas linked to music model

That’s dumb

[tight spade]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1308499132356362383

check this out lot of ppl are complaing there also some work arounds if you dig

btw v3 to v4 remaster sounds amazing but 1 out 2 will have the shimmer in drums or if its metal the guitar

[cursive jetty]

where did my account and all my tracks just dissapear too??

[tight spade]

like gone gone

[cursive jetty]

like everything gone gone - i re logged in and .... 🥵

[hollow hare]

Did you try searching for something earlier? The results gets retained even after you change tabs (unless you reload the webpage)

Type something in the search bar then delete it, should fix the problem you are having.

If that is not the cause, View your Profile (click the profile picture) and make sure you are logged into the correct account

[tight spade]

so my test gens are takin 1 hour 15min to show up lol

just popped up

or 1 r 10 mins

[hollow hare]

I wonder if the delay is due to a bug in the backend or if there is like a company DDOSing requests via API </conspiracy theory>

[tight spade]

lol

i dont mind waiting ill do other stuff.. suno is not life

[cursive jetty]

nothing its logged me in but wont access profile - from 100's of tracks to zero ?!?!?

[glacial rampart]

Does anyone have problems generating songs?

[tight spade]

yes

read above

[cinder bridge]

Hay All I am having an issue trying to create songs I select V3.5 but as soon as I hit the extend button I get moved into 4.0 and then it tells me that there is a high demand at the moment so I can create anything

[errant onyx]

Couldn't generate that.
Sorry but we are currently experiencing elevated usage. Please try again later. Thanks!

[glacial rampart]

Ok. Thanks. My Progress just Vanish instead of error messages and so on

[tight spade]

its taking the system 1-10 min for my gen to show. dont waste credits wait for a bit

[glacial rampart]

Oh okay. Hopefully we get compensation for those songs

[tight spade]

if you gen and dont see it , it will show up later and still deduct

so id wait

[glacial rampart]

Oh okay!

Thanks

[hollow hare]

By any chance, did you recently download or logged into the Suno iOS app for the first time earlier?

[glacial rampart]

I haven't tried but is this just for v4 songs or does the other versions still work?

[hollow hare]

I am assuming all system is being delayed right now because I am a pessimist. It is 6 AM EST so there is still a few hours before the team comes to work

[tight spade]

3.5 and below work , but you cant use personas or extend cause it use v4

[tight spade]

thats gonna be a fun surprise

[hollow hare]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-big-bang-theory-shocked-gif-7228552

[tight spade]

lol yup

well you have fun im gonna go listen to some great music

[azure crane]

It says ”Too many jobs is running” in the IOS app.

[coral juniper]

Yeah I can't generate anything, I would have figured it would have prioritized paying people

[tight spade]

just be patiant

[azure crane]

It’s the same for paying people

[tight spade]

read above comments

[coral juniper]

I was replying to someone, I have read the above

[hollow hare]

There is actually a message/function for that where the Submissions is disabled for free plan accs, giving priority to subs, but that message explicitly stated that subscribers have priority and disabled for free plan users (and I suspect has to be activated manually)

The message we are currently getting indicating it is the safety check coming into effect when queue reached a long-backup threshold

[cursive jetty]

nope

[charred oxide]

I only have the issue with v4 submissions and not v3.5

[hollow hare]

Hmm, even more strange. Contact [e-mail] and explain the issue in detail.
Be sure to link what the current page handle is and what the original handle should be. Hopefully support fixes the correct account link

[hollow hare]

Thank you for the heads up

[silk mulch]

Same message on my PC browser

[quick garnet]

I can't generate anything on V4. no issues generating on v3.5

[silk mulch]

Everybody's having this issue

[quick garnet]

thanks for the heads up

[silk mulch]

The good thing is it seems not to have a problem remastering a song it just has a problem creating a song once you switch to the v4

[torn spoke]

It's a shame because all the vocals are really robotic compared to v4

[manic socket]

v4 not working?

[torn spoke]

v4 is just overloaded atm

[silk mulch]

Only to remastering portion

[torn spoke]

everyone is trying to use it, so no one is able to use it

lmfao

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-xqcl-gif-25519231

[silk mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/leave-her-alone-crying-sad-meme-gif-16919280

[torn spoke]

v4 right now

[silk mulch]

[flint haven]

V4: I had enough of your complaints, I'm out

[pseudo flame]

Hi. I wanted to say that it's a shame that we can't load for more than 120 seconds with the highest subscription, this should be possible. moreover, I use Suno to improve my personal compositions and it is a shame that it does not always respect the original loaded and the instructions requested....plus it would also be good to have a more expensive version on which we can download track by track...the day Suno does this, it will have become perfect.

[split swift]

i agree

[inner wagon]

Is Suno aware of the laser sounds in the backgorund of most V4 songs that's generated?

[silk mulch]

I'm loading music that's more than 120 seconds long

[pseudo flame]

For me it's not possible ...?

[charred oxide]

If not said yet, you can generate on v3.5 and the remaster to get v4 clarity. I know not the same though

[silk mulch]

That's because they use two different AI platforms and one is malfunctioning at the moment while the other is not

[silk mulch]

Yep welcome to version 4

[lean idol]

I have the same issue and i have a pro plan

[charred oxide]

So the remastering doesn't touch the v4 side?

[raven turtle]

Interesting ... How long?

[silk mulch]

I don't know why the remastering is working and not anything else but the remastering does work

I don't know I just loaded one of my songs since 4 minutes long so

[teal wadi]

Issue with remastering sometimes does not hit the notes correctly

[charred oxide]

My guess is maybe remaster is just a quick pass over what already exists. And it's more intensive to generate from scratch

[silk mulch]

Your theory might just be correct

[teal wadi]

I prefer use cover instead of remastering better accuracy

[inner wagon]

Why is there version 2 songs I can't remaster?

[chilly cove]

Same here

[silk mulch]

maybe they're too old

[white steeple]

neither does 3.5...

[silk mulch]

I've had absolutely no issue remastering any of my songs so far

[slim jungle]

[silk mulch]

Yep

[dense pasture]

Hey all, listen my new song plz 😄 Drop a like ❤️

[uncut lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/aitor-gif-7084060237011549479

[silk mulch]

We all should take that and make lyrics out of it and see you can make the best version

[wet minnow]

I will not say anything about the sound. I will just post this A / B example here. The Wav is a direct combination of the downloaded vocal and instrumental stem, combined in audacity and again outputted as wav. https://suno.com/song/8df94329-f460-4660-b665-513dc628983b

[teal wadi]

Great idea

[dense pasture]

Challenge accepted

[sweet wigeon]

I have problems with new version of Suno it generates errors and no songs are generated. I generated like 8 songs but like 20-40 tries? It does not create any song. The lyrics:

[sly tusk]

scroll up in the chat my friend

[wet minnow]

v4 seems to not generate currently. can you try 3.5 to test?

[sweet wigeon]

How to switch to 3.5? I have last 10 credits. I'd like to finish the song. First version was beautiful.

[sly tusk]

i would wait till the problems are solved

[wet minnow]

on pc in custom mode (also simple mode) there is a menu

[silk mulch]

3.5 works fine

[weary fractal]

Hello! I have been trying to create a song for 2 hours now, the app is loading and not working

[silk mulch]

Try 3.5

[teal wadi]

https://suno.com/song/0b74e91c-3def-4a1c-b8b7-a2cf5c495d5a

[wet minnow]

see right above you the last 3 posts

[weary fractal]

I’m in the free version so it 3.5

[silk mulch]

I don't know what to tell you but it's paid users are having issues with everything but 3.5

[lean idol]

i'm a paid user. 3.5 is working fine but not the v4

[silk mulch]

https://suno.com/song/5c0a3590-e770-4b40-8b66-ffecbde6374b

Enjoy

[sweet wigeon]

So I am in 3.5 as I have free account

[silk mulch]

Song challenge 'suno is broken'

[wet minnow]

are your credits empty? please refresh

[lean idol]

https://suno.com/song/315f2b6a-fff5-4317-ac0c-42d39bd45c6b