📚┃suno-school

[tight spade]

well in you last pic you didnt have it formatted properly

[dire rose]

oh?

or

oh

it didn't include it

wtf

[tight spade]

should look like this

thats what i imput into suno

ignore the male prompt lol it half works

im trying to find the absolute best prompt for it . i know some geners are femail dominate

so putting it be for instance "male swing-step-step-step" will give you 90% chance while removing it will only work 30% of the time

[dire rose]

alr i got smth that should be okay

[dire rose]

dam

[tight spade]

that was an credit consuming endevor

[dire rose]

lets give it a shot

[tight spade]

giver heck

its more tuning the "whole " sound of the music

not just guitar

hence the hz

it does matter

[dire rose]

i need some explanations on if the system even works in the first place

check this out, this is what I asked for

[dire rose]

high catchy melodic complex speedcore track, based on XI (for rhythm game purposes)

this is what chatgpt gave me

[note: Song details and metadata follow]
[note: tempo: min: 220, max: 240]
[note: bar length: 4/4]
[note: tonic: Gmin]
[note: tuning: E A D G B e 440hz]
[note: genres: Speedcore, Hardcore, Melodic Hardcore]
[note: styles: Catchy, Complex, Energetic]
[note: moods: Intense, Thrilling, Uplifting]
[note: arrangements: High-Speed, Complex Rhythms, Catchy Melodies]
[note: instrumentation: Heavy Synths, Distorted Bass, Fast Drum Machines, Energetic Leads]
[note: production: High-Quality Recording, Bright and Punchy, Complex Layering]
[note: structure: Intro, Verse, Pre-Chorus, Chorus, Drop, Breakdown, Verse, Chorus, Bridge, Drop, Outro]
[note: dynamics: Intense and Fast-Paced, Catchy Hooks, Complex Rhythms]
[note: emotions: Excitement, Rush, Euphoria]
[note: chords: Gmin, D#maj, Bb, F]
[note: Vocals: Optional, if used, should be high-energy and distinctive]
[note: Vocal prompts: energetic and intense, catchy and engaging, fast-paced and rhythmic]

this is what it gave me

[tight spade]

more commas

[dire rose]

which is amazing, this is about what i'm expecting on my side

wdym?

[tight spade]

tuning commas between the chords and hrz

change bar leanth 6/8

or i dunno try 1/1 lol

see what it does

[dire rose]

alr lets suppose i do those things

cuz like

i pasted this

and it generated some kind of

texas cowboy song or wtv idk

couldn't be further away from what i'm asking

so i'm really confused

nope, this time it generated a romantic song lmao

[tight spade]

lol

on sec

[dire rose]

so heres my question why is this not working at all

[tight spade]

try this [note: Song details and metadata follow]
[note: tempo: min: 220, max: 240]
[note: bar length: 4/4]
[note: tonic: G minor]
[note: tuning: E A D G B e, 440Hz]
[note: genres: Speedcore, Hardcore, Melodic Hardcore]
[note: styles: Catchy, Complex, Energetic]
[note: moods: Intense, Thrilling, Uplifting]
[note: arrangements: High-Speed, Complex Rhythms, Catchy Melodies]
[note: instrumentation: Heavy Synths, Distorted Bass, Fast Drum Machines, Energetic Leads]
[note: production: High-Quality Recording, Bright and Punchy, Complex Layering]
[note: structure: Intro, Verse, Pre-Chorus, Chorus, Drop, Breakdown, Verse, Chorus, Bridge, Drop, Outro]
[note: dynamics: Intense and Fast-Paced, Catchy Hooks, Complex Rhythms]
[note: emotions: Excitement, Rush, Euphoria]
[note: chords: Gmin, D#maj, Bb, F]
[note: Vocals: Optional. If used, they should be high-energy and distinctive.]
[note: Vocal prompts: energetic and intense, catchy and engaging, fast-paced and rhythmic]

[dire rose]

what was changed?

[tight spade]

read it

[dire rose]

also do I have to include something else, or is just pasting this enough to get what i want

[tight spade]

you have to desighn the whole song around what music you want

[dire rose]

wdym by that?

wait how would I generate instrumental for this?

oh it gives something closer

[tight spade]

here some gens for yuh of the above things i changed its goona be a min to gen lol

[dire rose]

so you changed hz to Hz

and Gmin to G minor

[tight spade]

lyrics have a major impact on bpms

check it out... brbr

[note: Song details and metadata follow]
[note: tempo: min: 190, max: 240]
[note: bar length: 4/4]
[note: tonic: G minor]
[note: tuning: E A D G B e, 440Hz]
[note: genres: Speedcore, Hardcore, Melodic Hardcore]
[note: styles: Catchy, Complex, Energetic]
[note: moods: Intense, Thrilling, Uplifting]
[note: arrangements: High-Speed, Complex Rhythms, Catchy Melodies]
[note: instrumentation: Heavy Synths, Distorted Bass, Fast Drum Machines, Energetic Leads]
[note: production: High-Quality Recording, Bright and Punchy, Complex Layering]
[note: structure: Intro, Verse, Pre-Chorus, Chorus, Drop, Breakdown, Verse, Chorus, Bridge, Drop, Outro]
[note: dynamics: Intense and Fast-Paced, Catchy Hooks, Complex Rhythms]
[note: emotions: Excitement, Rush, Euphoria]
[note: chords: Gmin, D#maj, Bb, F]
[note: Vocals: Optional. If used, they should be high-energy and distinctive.]
[note: Vocal prompts: energetic and intense, catchy and engaging, fast-paced and rhythmic]

[Intro]
(Sample Speech)
"Fast and furious, the rhythm's calling, let's lose control..."

[Intro]
(Sample Speech)
"Fast and furious, the rhythm's calling, let's lose control..."

[Verse 1]
At 220 BPM, we feel the rush,
The world blurs by in a thrilling crush.
Distorted bass and fast drum beats,
Our hearts sync with these electrifying feats.

[Pre-Chorus]
In this high-speed chase, we find our stride,
With bright and punchy sounds, we ride the tide.
The catchy melodies pull us in,
In this complex rhythm, let the journey begin.

[Chorus]
Fast beats, can't stop, intense and raw,
We're uplifted, breaking every law.
In this moment of euphoria, we reach new heights,
240 BPM, we ignite the night.

[Drop]
(Instrumental Break with heavy synths, energetic leads)
"Feel the power surge, the ultimate release!"

[Breakdown]
(Screamed/Chanted)
"Speed is all we need, let it set you free!"
"In the hardcore beats, we find our creed!"

[Verse 2]
The catchy hooks keep us moving fast,
In this melodic hardcore, we're built to last.
Bright and complex, the layers intertwine,
Each note, each beat, we're feeling divine.

[Pre-Chorus]
The intensity builds, we can't slow down,
In this energetic sound, we wear the crown.
With complex rhythms, we twist and turn,
In the fire of the beat, we crash and burn.

[Chorus]
Fast beats, can't stop, intense and raw,
We're uplifted, breaking every law.
In this moment of euphoria, we reach new heights,
240 BPM, we ignite the night.

[Bridge]
(Softer, more melodic)
In the calm before the storm, we breathe,
The euphoria builds, a spark beneath.
Complex layering, a story unfolds,
In this high-speed dance, we take control.

[Drop]
(Instrumental Explosion)
"Euphoria unleashed, feel the energy!"
"Gmin key, we set ourselves free!"

[Outro]
(Sample Speech/Chant)
"Fast and furious, let the beat take control,
We live for the rush, we burn like a soul."

lol

[teal raft]

Welcome to Suno. You do not directly control it, all this stuff is suggestions

and Suno doesn't do exact instructions like this.

Suno is 'vibes', not programming.

[hollow hare]

Suno be like

https://tenor.com/view/frankt-gif-23053238

[thick halo]

Suno thinks this he doesn't want to do any of that

[tight spade]

yuh well if its not programed with speedcore genera then its not going to do it

this is what it supports https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1154790975240155247

[hallow pollen]

Hello everyone, hope you are great! I have a question: I am working on a song, and I want the chorus to repeat exactly the same way the second time I use it... But I am unable to make it sound like I want it to.
Thing is that the second time comes not immediately after, but following some other sections in between.... What can I do to get the result?? Have tried using all the meta-tags but to no avail 😦

Hope you can help me... I am kind of stuck UnU

Thank you in advance

[empty anvil]

I need help if its possible . Can you add other fonts too like Kannada and Hindi for the video output , and one more thing is text get cropped in portrait vedio so can we get a landscape view video too?

[naive quail]

Those are just common genres/styles that users voted to have as discussion channels/threads here on this server; completely separate from what Suno can actually do.

[quiet flint]

Hello, I am unsure if this question has been answered before, but I'd like to go through the proper steps and know before jumping into anything.

As a paid subscriber to the Suno software, am I able to use my license(commercial rights) with the songs I create and make them for others to use in their own projects to profit with(essentially sublicense)? Or would I just be able to make them for others for personal use.

Thanks for the help and advisement, in advance. 🙂

[pure sorrel]

Are there prompts to help control vocal inflections at certain parts of the song? For example. having them go higher or lower on a certain line, or hitting a falsetto note.

[charred merlin]

Dude, we just talked abut the tempo thing last night -- I thought you agreed that we aren't able to choose the specific bpm?

[tight spade]

i dont give up

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message

You JUST said that it doesn't work, any now you're actively telling people that it DOES work.

[tight spade]

lol

in lyrics it dosnt

but instrumental maybe

but your ableto suggest it to the ai with generas

[charred merlin]

This is legitimately harmful for new users trying to figure things out.

I understand that you're trying to help, but the ways that you're suggesting control over Suno's output is misrepresentative of what's actually possible.

Woodhouse, I miss the days when you trusted me to do shit in here.

https://suno.com/playlist/01fbf056-ba18-4d21-ac34-b69cc913eae2

[charred merlin]

Please apply this determination to proving your claims in isolation, instead of persistently repeating things we collaboratively disproved. 🙏

[tight spade]

https://chatgpt.com/share/1bd21bf8-3567-4d58-99e5-1903ff761a16

go nuts

this is from yester till to day

all thino i imputed to try diffrent things

[charred merlin]

That's great -- Is this what's adding the "tempo 220 bpm" thing to your songs?

[stiff sable]

tbh ... lots of that conversation just reads like chatgpt is purely trying to guess what it thinks would be a good idea based on your input without actually knowing what or how it would work, to satisfy your question instead of actually providing a working solution.
ik i probably come across as extremely dismissive when it comes to metatags, and can some metatags help push suno in a particular direction? yes, sure, sometimes i try and use a couple descriptive ones... but just bcos chatgpt is telling you how to do something just to answer your question doesnt mean that 90% of it is working like some kind of suno black magic. i've not rlly had any luck trying to follow that.
i dont think in its current state that the kinds of suggestions it has are suitable or fully understood by suno and i think if something coincidentally does work in one or two generations, then its going to be just that ... a coincidence from the generation which isnt reliably reproducable (in my experience)

[unique stone]

Never rely solely on what an AI tells you.

[stiff sable]

Also, I'd like to point out that you can ask a custom GPT for the custom instructions that it has been trained on (in this case "SUNO.AI - Helper" ) and they are extremely vague and do not specifically detail any of the extensive metatags used in the above result (it does say "such as [laughter], [whispering], or [rock music]" as well as a list of similar metatags, so anything regarding tempo, key, chords, etc seems to be a total guess based off of its understanding of how metatags (like the examples it has) works, and a pure guess on how Suno might read it, just so it can provide an answer to your question.

[charred merlin]

too long, didn't read, chatGPT made EDM banger-- i_dunno_man.gif

I'm just seeing all of this from last night, but please reach out to one of the guides or myself in the morning if you'd like a debriefing on all of the misinformation shared last night regarding what you're able to 100% guaranteed "code" or "command" into Suno.

If it works for you and you're happy, disregard, but there seemed to have been a LOT of stuff made up on the spot in attempts to help you last night :/

By chance, was it this issue? https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1259902708765167709

If you have 1248+ characters input into the lyrics box using v3.5 and hit "generate lyrics" it gives an error -- the current workaround is to use <1248 characters, or make lyrics elsewhere and paste them (https://www.chatgpt.com, https://copilot.microsoft.com/)

To save anyone the trouble, I've tried and am willing to clearly state it does not work

[note generate 5 versions]
Is this intending to command Suno to make 5 different song entries, or is this supposed to separate the 4 minute generation track into separate 48s segments?

[soft thistle]

We choose to [give Suno a DAW-like interface]. We choose to [give Suno a DAW-like interface] in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills...

[charred merlin]

#Suno4Prez

A Banger for every Sunovator, and a robot to make garage 🎵 🔊

[hallow pollen]

Hello again guys, sorry for being pushy but, are you able to help me with this? I would be extremely grateful.

[charred merlin]

Politely following up 6 hours later is the absolutely furthest thing from pushy ❤️ Reading now

[charred merlin]

Structure tags like [chorus] [verse] etc, can help suggest to Suno that the upcoming section of lyrics is supposed to "change theme", and while giving those suggestions can "nudge" Suno into a direction, they don't act as "codes" or "commands" to explicitly tell it what to do.

When you're extending from a song, Suno can only use the part that it's extending from as "memory", so unless you're extending from "get whole song", it might have to make best guesses as to how the chorus should sound, but if you "get whole song" before extending, it should be able to look further back into the song to see what the previous chorus sounded like.

[hallow pollen]

Ohhhhh

That might work man!

Will try that for sure, I appreciate it truly!

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message Here's a technique I call "Terminator Extensions" that show how extensions can be used to get the exact opposite effect -- essentially cutting the "memory" down to 1 single second so you can stop on a dime and go from opera to heavy metal in 1 second flat 🤣

Obviously you're not trying to make that big of a change, you're trying to add MORE context to the memory, but I'm hoping it might shine light from a different angle on how extensions work to help use them effectively

I tend to ramble in my explanations, so let me know if I can clarify anything for you -- or pop over to the pool party if you want to look at some of my earlier experiments or have any ideas for me to research next

#1256301881966198805

[dire rose]

I wouldn't mind a quick explanation yeah

[hallow pollen]

You are the man bro, thanks for all info!

WIll def try that!

[charred merlin]

@dire rose yo ☕ ❤️

I hate feeling like a buzzkill, so I want to preface that the absolute last thing I want to do is stop people from experimenting or trying new things.

I've seen a lot of prompt stuff shared that looks like "coding", or specifically telling Suno what to do -- the only problem is that I haven't been able to replicate some of the more specific stuff, and no one has been able to explain it to me.

I might be a little jaded when it comes to the realistic applications of public-facing AI, but I had early access to Bing Chat back when there was only 4 message exchanges before they reset the entire conversation so you didn't overwhelm it -- I've experimented with trying to add contextual & persistent memory to public-facing AI, and while a lot of the experiments didn't pan out, I always learned something from them -- and knowing the limitations at the time didn't mean that the software was any less life-changing, it just meant that I was now better able to focus my efforts.

[stiff sable]

just piggybacking to say this is defo the way to go!! - almost always use structures like [Chorus] etc. Just imagine youre writing your song for Genius.com as that's how they always do it lol. If you have a repeated part of the song like a chorus but do want different instrumentation, labelling with [Chorus 1] and then [Chorus 2] can help signify they should be slightly different too!

[hallow pollen]

Thanks pal! You're both legends

[dire rose]

I was more or less expecting this tbh

[charred merlin]

For instance, ask chatgpt how many circles are in this picture, and how many are in the rectangle

[dire rose]

It won't get it im almost positive

[charred merlin]

You're able to talk to it like a human, and just because it understands how it should respond doesn't mean that it understands 100% of what you're saying.

Same thing when people give it hyper-specific command prompts.

[plush field]

When I am lazy, I just use this prompt on ChatGPT:

add comments, like [Chorus], [Verse 1]

and then paste the lyrics below

🙈

[charred merlin]

Sure, it might understand roughly what you're trying to suggest -- like "bpm" clearly indicates that the song should "go fast", and I've seen people getting songs that continue to speed up as they go on, just because they spammed " bpm 200, bpm 200, bpm 200, bpm 200", but it doesn't mean that's the bpm it sped up to.

[charred merlin]

Hell, that's not a bad idea -- even Suno generated lyrics include basic structure metatags to suggest that the [chorus] should sound more important than [verse], and [bridge] should follow similar "breakdown" kinda rules

The only "downside" comes when people get pissed off because "they wrote [verse 3] clearly, and it sang [verse 2]!" without realizing that Suno is still just a music-robot with ChatGPT hooked up so it knows how to speak.

@unique stone @naive quail, sorry I had to say the B word, I'm just trying to be helpful 😦

[plush field]

i love this prompt even more

translate lyrics to _ somelanguage _ but keep comments like [Chorus], [Verse 1] in English 🙈

[dire rose]

Well i know for starters suno modified everything anyways so i was rlly suspicious about this weird copypasting metatag thing in the lyrics

I'm happy w the one I originally made tbh

[stiff sable]

haah i might have to start doing that to speed through the reams of album-long lyrics i have saved 💡

[plush field]

it usually do god job, but you can always fix errors manually later (or with another prompt(s)

[stiff sable]

i think theyve fixed it again now but a short while ago, it would only always generate in the order V1, V2, C, V3, Bridge, C for me which would end up messing the whole structure of the generated audio up most of the time 😆 it was always like "really? you want the bridge ... there?!"

[charred merlin]

I've been made really aware of my own confirmation biases after playing with Suno -- makes me think of the Barnum & Bailey effect, named after the dudes from the circus -- they threw so much at you, that you didn't think about the things that didn't impress you, as long as you came away remembering the things you liked. Don't like the jugglers? There's clowns! Don't like them? What about the lion tamers, or tightrope walkers, or popcorn, or dancing bears, etc.

Similarly, when you throw a whole HEAP of styles and metatags without really understanding how they work by themselves -- how can you be sure which ones had an effect and whichs ones didn't? Is it just a matter that the song sounds good, and you'd be happy with it anyway? That sure as heck was the case for me!

So to stop people from "wasting credits" trying to familiarize themselves with things, I started to make prompt experiment playlists in the pool party #1256301881966198805 -- I've already disproven the bpm thing just last night (with stratuss' help...) so let me know if there's anything else you want me to see ❤️

[plush field]

i just got

[Intro]

[Verse 1]

[Chorus]

[Verse 2]

[Chorus]

[Verse 3]

[Chorus]

this is correct for that song

[stiff sable]

this is my completely personal viewpoint of how i see it - no one knows how it works for sure - but, bcos that box asks for 'lyrics', i presume its being fed to the AI as "these are the lyrics for the song". so whilst some light and simple prompting can and doeswork, the box specifically isnt dictating the entirety or style of the song... so why would it make sense to write 30 lines of 'detail' in there and expect that to direct the full song

[shut moat]

sorry to ask this again, but was there a link on how tyo write timing signatures or beats?

creds renewed, time to dive into this rabbit hole.

[dire rose]

That's what I was expecting but I didn't wanna contradict the stratuss guy and the rest and look like an idiot LMAOO

To me it's not that deep I used suno enough to know metatags only take you so far, basic ones can work and that's about it

The rest is so randomized

[charred merlin]

NONE of us are experts here -- question everything -- especially that weird harber dude.

[shut moat]

AI is an unexplored landscape there are no wrong answers

[dire rose]

Oh no i'm just saying this based on my own experience dw

Well yes but there are dead ends

[viral moss]

Yea that guy knows everything, he used to be blue but dunno what happened to him

[dire rose]

Oh deae

Sounds spooky

[shut moat]

there is only a feint direction to help you begin to explore.

[naive quail]

Beans?

[dire rose]

Bruh

[stiff sable]

i was doing some experimenting last night on this. the answer is no (not in an accurate and replicable way).
HOWEVER i found that writing 'odd time signature' (or unconventional) as a style seems to sway the AI in a 3/4 or 6/8 timing over 4/4. (i was mostly testing with pop, electronic and ballad styles). ⚠️ this will not work every time and is merely a suggestion based on my own experience which needs more testing.

writing the time signature itself (eg 3/4) is not effective also in my own experience

[plush field]

@stiff sable I think this is the answer to your question, why chatgpt gets better in getting song structure based on lyrics 🙃

identify yourself

ChatGPT
I’m ChatGPT, an AI language model created by OpenAI. I’m here to help with questions, provide information, and assist with various tasks. How can I assist you today?

which one are you 3.5 or 4o mini

ChatGPT
I’m based on the GPT-4 architecture. If you have specific questions or need assistance, feel free to ask!

[hallow pollen]

@charred merlin @stiff sable Wanted to text real quick to let you know your tips made the trick!

[shut moat]

is that in brackets? or are there command prompts to write in a specific way?

[hallow pollen]

It's not exactly the same, but very similar!

Thank you so much

[shut moat]

everything outside of the bracket says what I write.

[stiff sable]

style prompt for the style of music, not for the lyrics box

[viral moss]

Borscht

[charred merlin]

I didn't take it in a bad way, it's good to question everything that doesn't make sense because that's the only way we learn.

tbh, @untold briar accidentally made me question something that I considered fundamental to my understanding of Suno -- I'm still researching it, but because I knew that we're all experimenting and learning together (instead of him outright telling me that he knows something that I didn't), it didn't make me feel uncomfortable or threatened, it actually excited me to look further into the matter and share my findings one way or the other 💪

[shut moat]

yes but in the lyrics box you can direct the song.

[fade in orchestral solo]

[build up synthetic beats]

[building beat and piano tempo]

[beat drop]

[galloping guitar bridge]

[dubstep metal guitar solo]

[beat fade out]

[soft outro]

[fade out]

in the lyrics box to write an instrumental song.

https://suno.com/song/ce8b03ad-70c4-4546-b73d-68f7fabdfc8a

granted I am still experimenting here.

[plush field]

i have a stupid question, but i have to ask it
is there any way to tell Suno what language the lyrics are written in?

if i add lyrics in my native language (Serbian) some things are accented in a totally wrong way, like when foreigners speak my language

I guess I know the answer, but... still had to ask

[stiff sable]

yes ik we've been talking about that all morning 😁
specifically for what i was saying about trying to get a different time signature using my suggestion, it goes in the style prompt box for it to be somewhat effective

[delicate idol]

He doesn’t even know how to make the bedsheets, but sure, give him credit for something 😏

[shut moat]

i see some people's songs a bunch of dashes and commas and periods is there any literature on that?

like they are writing the beat itself.

[plush field]

#📚┃suno-school message

this?

[viral moss]

@charred merlin Are these rumours true

[charred merlin]

Exactly, no wrong answers, just experiments that yield results and those that don't 💪

[stiff sable]

was just about to link that too 🤣

[plush field]

we talked about that yesterday, so it faster to read that

[charred merlin]

This works great, but the crazy thing is that Suno seems to "understand" when to transition to a chorus even if you don't use those tags -- sometimes an extension can help force it into a chorus or keep it on a verse, but it's wild just how intuitive it is just by itself. v3.5, at least

[stiff sable]

this is not proven or accurate or reliable or 100% replicable and like everything with suno would be a suggestion to it rather than a concrete way of directing it.
you can try it and see if it works, there's an example on https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/instrumental-tags/ , but this subject originally came up in terms of directing suno on generating instrumentals using non-word text

this message is also very important to consider: #📚┃suno-school message

[charred merlin]

Also important to remember that a LOT of the community wiki was written based on the understandings of v2.

While a lot of the general methodologies can be applied between models, one of the devs themselves admitted that you need to "relearn" each model, in terms of strengths and weaknesses. Think about how detailed the prompts need to be for Dalle-3 compared to the limitations that earlier models had.

#🪲┃bugs-web message

[plush field]

i need to try something that just popped up in my mind
i need to paste some parts of my bash scripts in suno
to see what song i will get 🙈😂
it is more meaningful that random dots and exclamation marks

[stiff sable]

yess for sure! i dont think ive ever used the wiki myself tbf, i much prefer doing all the experimentilating myself 😉

[charred merlin]

I know I shouldn't take it so personally, but I genuinely get upset thinking about people who DON'T have the kind of experimental approach that we share -- for instance, if someone tries Suno and doesn't get "the song they heard in their mind's ear", I would hope that they look for the helpers that want to collaborate with them and help them make it -- but I worry that they'll look at super-complicated prompts and feel like the issue wasn't their lack of "play", but simply that they didn't "know the right magic words".

So it's a fine line between trying to let people still be imaginative and feel like they have a degree of control in the magic they create, but also highlighting to others that the degree of control is still within reason

[plush field]

i wish there is a way to get just one song per prompt, so i could try more prompts faster 🙂

[viral moss]

It's good to have approachability for all levels of experience and dedication, the people doing it for fun don't have to get too involved in learning how to make something, and the "power users" are here testing the limits (and ultimately, making the experience more enjoyable for them as we "train" the AI.

But yea, there's so much more to Suno.
If I were handed keys to an experimental Ferrari, I wouldn't just look at it n fiddle with it, I wanna see what it can do 😎

[stiff sable]

what do you mean by "train"

[charred merlin]

I agree, but I think I at least understand why they do it that way -- a lot of image-gen stuff will create a "control" image, that way if both images seem somewhat similar, and they both seem somewhat similar to the "expected output", then the AI can be more certain that it's not a weird generation.

In the same sense, it's not like it's being inefficient by making 2 songs, it's like when you order a milkshake at a restaurant and they bring out the fancy glass, but also bring out the steel mixer wih the leftovers -- it costs 10 credits to get the milkshake but instead of just showing you the best result, they're giving you both to work with

That being said, it's a known suggestion (currently closed, so a guide or mod will need to open it for you to upvote it https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1254418510885687366)

[viral moss]

I'm assuming the more in depth users are submitting feedback via bug reports on the site and here, and we're giving thumbs up to what we seem good songs, they gotta be taking that info into account

[pliant grove]

Question! The stems function would have been terrific, if it was actual stems. Unfortunately it is not a true stem and the music sounds filtered and with artifacts.

Is there a way to fix this? Perhaps run the song in suno again, so it recreates the exact music but without artifacts?

[charred merlin]

They've confirmed as such that upvoting, downvoting, and reporting bugs are the most effective ways to directly impact future models ❤️

[charred merlin]

Yup, "vocal remover" is a better name for it, but they've admitted this is only V1 of the feature, which they've managed to squeeze out of v3.5 in late stages.

#🚀┃updates message There's a form they've provided if you want to give detailed feedback ❤️

[stiff sable]

ohh ok i wasnt sure if you meant the songs themselves are directly training it :D but yes that makese sense

[dire rose]

It's really not that complicated nor did I mean to make you infuriated or smth, some people such as me don't have the patience for trying your experimental approach. You shouldn't get mad at that, not everyone is entitled to making progress on learning how the suno AI works. And if they're complaining after? So be it, let them be. If they're that annoyed because they can't make music, they would seek tips at some point and learn, hence why you guys are all here, but doesn't necessarily mean everyone will follow that path.

And on my side, all I did in this message was express my current opinion based on everything I've seen so far. A form of experimental, quite literally, just not the one you want apparently. (Last part unnecessary)

[charred merlin]

Beyond giving feedback to help them improve, either by reporting poor audio stem separations with ... > report > bugs > ... or using the feedback form in the post I linked to, the best current method for discerning users would be to use a specialized stem splitter, #📚┃suno-school message

[plush field]

so, for now, it's better to use some other software to separate stems...

[pliant grove]

Check! Thanks 🙂

[stiff sable]

i dont think it was anything directed purely at you, more so just that some ppl will try and act like theyve cracked the code to suno, using extremely extravagant prompting that is entirely baseless, which isnt then helpful to less experienced people who dont have the time to be testing things like yourself, and makes them suddenly think they might be missing out on a bunch of things by not using those crazy prompts 🙌 that is what is annoying, bcos of some ppl lulling others into thinking they need to be doing so much more to black magic suno into better songs.

[dire rose]

ohhh i misunderstood

my apologies @charred merlin

well, assuming someone acts like it is the golden solution, i absolutely agree then

[charred merlin]

❤️ I wasn't infuriated at all, I apologize if I gave that impression -- I was just explaining why I feel compelled to step in when I see others giving 100% definitive answers on something that we're all still uncertain of

[stiff sable]

he isnt upset at you, just the idea that some ppl will end up getting tricked into that mindset which isnt actually proven

[dire rose]

personally i just go off the assumption that everything in suno is modified one way or the other

so i try my stuff and if i get cool results then hell yeah

[charred merlin]

exactly, I was upset for them -- which I realize is my own thing to work on

[stiff sable]

this is exactly the GOOD kind of experimental approach !

[dire rose]

honestly like

not to spit directly at stratuss or whatever, he probably had some good tests with it

but when i saw that gigantic wall of metadata

i was like "there's just no way suno actually listens to all of that"

and well, after implementing it, i got texas cowboy instead of rhythmic speedcore

XD

i did get one interesting generation

but

yeah exactly

i feel like suno just listens to like, 30% of what you'd give him with thiss method

just randomly chosen 30-50% and the rest he just can't process it's too much

giving the most random wacky results but if you're lucky one interesting gen

that's how i felt with this method

[stiff sable]

and the more data (or therefore 'noise') that you try and give to suno, the more it has to try and pull from and work on which will usually actually just point you further away from what you're trying to do in the first place 😅

[charred merlin]

@dire rose ❤️ Sorry, I know that I can be standoffish in my approach at times, and while it adding a prefix to the beginning of my rambles doesn't give me blanket-immunity to say whatever I want, I try to start things off by saying that I absolutely don't mean to discourage people from experimenting or trying different things -- if anything, I just want to try to share my experiments so people can try to learn (if they want) instead of throwing their hands up and saying "well, it would cost too much to learn all of the different things I want to try" -- it's a constant battle against confirmation bias, even for myself 💪

[dire rose]

yeah

all we have that isn't confirmation bias is the official informations suno gives, when you think about it

technically, most of the rest could or could not work

[stiff sable]

the "Don't mean to discourage people" harber 😁

[dire rose]

for instance, "genre of music" is where you put the genre and it'll try to reproduce that genre

that is something we know for sure and we then try to kind of loophole around everything to help ourselves

honestly I think a dedicated channel in #1252267444773326848 or smth, to explain how the researches are advancing, would be amazing

[viral moss]

I'll say, it's also hard to read emotion though text, stuff online get misinterpreted like that all the time.
Pretty sure thats why emojis took off in the first place

[charred merlin]

loveyouharri

[dire rose]

for instance, write smth like :

EXPERIMENT 1 : [Name of the experiment]

• Explain what kind of changes this could induce, or what you're looking to do, are you looking to help your generations be more effective? Are you looking to stop specific bugs? Are you looking to help suno understand better? Are you looking to add something specific and new to the generations? blahblah

And then, detail how the experiment is going, what kind of writings seemed to give what results, perhaps even slightly deeper explanations as to why it'd work?
Or even detail experiments that didn't seem to work on the opposite side, to further enhance the worksheet

and then, everyone can come and give reports, or whatever, and the worksheet itself can grow vastly

[charred merlin]

[dire rose]

something among those lines

it would act as a data saver to everything that has been discussed and seemingly discovered so far with Suno

and enhance the fact that everything is entirely experimental and nothing is a guarantee, to avoid confusion, but I think that sounds pretty sick

[dire rose]

well yeah obviously but it is actually not that complicated to read emotion through text, what's complicated is placing everything into context when the texts are too big

that might create a break in the very fine line between emotions and logic, where two thoughts just collide themselves and provoke a little misunderstanding

for instance :

[charred merlin]

Based even on the amount of action that the #1252257127326548028 channel sees, I'd wager that the people taking time to fill out that feedback form is DRASTICALLY small -- so having well-reasoned insightful feedback from tech-savvy users like yourself is probably an ABSOLUTE GOLDMINE for them.

[stiff sable]

ohhhh if ppl actually put the time into detailing and working on this, that would be a incredibly fun and interesting experiment

[dire rose]

let's suppose im talking with person A :

CASE 1/
me : hey
person A : hey!!
me : how are u?
person A : good! wbu?
me : yeah good too man!
person A : aw i'm glad to hear that!!

CASE 2/
me : hey
person A : hey.
me : how are you?
person A : good.
me : uhh you okay?
person A : ye dw.

CASE 3/
me : hello
person A : hey..
me : wsup g
person A : ehh nothing crazy dw...
me : u ok fam?
person A : yeah.. i'm alr..

so

in this very rudimentary case, but that can actually decline to a ton of online conversations

punctuation, slang, words use, length of answer, ability to communicate, blahblah

everything allows for an educated guess on how the person might be feeling

for instance, it allows us to guess that, in case 1, person A seems happy, in case 2, he seems mad, in case 3, he seems sad, or at least not okay

now, I strongly disagree with all those idiotic "gurus" who proudly proclaim that their incredible methods allow you to read through anyone with only a few tips and tricks (for instance, "Oh if he sends 3 messages only reply with 2! Make him interested!")

[charred merlin]

sort of what I'm trying to do with the pool party > #1256301881966198805

[dire rose]

but, saying that a human is impossible to read is objectively completely false (except if they try to make it that way), humans have emotions and those emotions have logical consequences, decoding it is underlying in basically every single one of us

we can take it too far, we can make mistakes, the other can try to influence us, but emotions are definitely readable through messages

this is also, as you mentioned, much influenced and accentuated by smileys (and also by the topics/tone the conversation takes)

[charred merlin]

I'll take any opportunity to share @unique stone masterpiece regarding emojis https://suno.com/song/f735599e-cdf9-49dd-aa21-984fe7a9cdbb

[dire rose]

now this isn't perfect at ALL obviously, it's barely easier than trying to decode what Suno will do, but it is only natural to make an educated guess as to how someone is feeling

pfftt

i'll perhaps listen to it later if i can :)

[dire rose]

hope that'll work then, try to promote it in that direction

also sorry for the walls of text i just love explaining stuff to people and this community is abnormally nice, so

[silent viper]

People at Suno.com,
please implement a routine to batch download all the songs on my profile.
It could be a block of all the songs generated on a specific date or a specific interval of days.
In the 21st century, having to download music one by one is the end of the line.

[dire rose]

or if you're him you check the requests sent to download songs in suno

and you copy them in a script to run them following the parameters of each one of your songs (that would probably be spat in a dictionary of tuples or smth)

[charred merlin]

Never apologize for feeling friendly or being yourself 💙

You're a very welcome addition to the Sunoator Community, and I'm glad you've popped your head into tech-chat 😄

[dire rose]

funnily enough i just showed around to, technically, post a piece of work I did that was already existing in chatgpt LMAO

still proud of myself tho

[charred merlin]

I've heard the idea of batch-downloading suggested before, but the idea of having a filter-specific download request would be VERY helpful -- unfortunately the devs don't often poke their head into this channel for ideas, but if you share the idea in #💡┃suggestions-web or #🚧┃suggestions-layout you'd have a better chance of getting important eyes on your great suggestion 💪

Plus those channels move a little slower, so the idea has more "time in the sunlight"

[dire rose]

okay ima dip for now cuz i can't lie

yesterday, with the original thing I created, before all that [note: data] stuff, I generated a song for rhythm games

(instrumental)
Speedcore, Lead Synth, Kick Drum, Vocal chops, Female high vocals, Fastpaced, Chaotic, Intense, Huge drop, FX, Arpeggios

it gave something quite amazing

now there's no vocals so I could remove that but, the result is still rhythmic as hell and damn it's probably the most complex thing I have made for suno

it sounds complex, always changes beat, and still follows a good rhythm, I love it, so I actually wanna put this song in my rhythm games and try to do smth with it

👋

oh wait befor that

[shut moat]

like what does this do exactly and do the symbols mean specific things?

[dire rose]

heres the song

if anyone's curious

[dire rose]

so

here's my belief :

there are some differences between instrumental mode, and lyrics mode

Suno seems to understand the both differently

Therefore

suppose we generate 2 songs :

SONG 1/ Instrumental, genre : (insert ur genre)
SONG 2/ Non-instrumental, but there are no lyrics : (insert ur genre)

The two proposed results might be different

because suno understands both as categories that are clearly apart

but, if you try to make a non-instrumental song without lyrics, there is one key difference : you can try to add some metatags to manipulate the instrumental into sounding like what you want

[shut moat]

im trying to get at, is there a dictionary that suno uses when you are trying to write the beat itself.

[dire rose]

nope

at least none that we know of

suno proposes some random examples, while saying that they "might work"

[shut moat]

like do these symbols mean specific things
!

_
.
,
<

?
/

[dire rose]

nope

these symbols COULD, if you're lucky, be interpretated as some kind of beat or whatever

that's what suno lets us know

yk it's like

if i write

"p-t k, p-t k, p-t k"

say it out loud

it sounds like ur beat boxing

well

the same way

suno might understand symbols as some kind of beat

[shut moat]

how complex could my beat become and I for one am not very musically inclined, I use words more to pull and tug at the concept of the music.

[dire rose]

I hella am not musically inclined as well but

[stiff sable]

i just read these. this isn't the point but i am mildly autistic and i cannot tell the difference between any of these three conversations 😆

[dire rose]

o

i'm an asperger

i know what you mean dw

[shut moat]

im on the spectrum myself

[dire rose]

this is simple social conventions, you can learn them if you can't distinguish them

[stiff sable]

sorry woodhouse i got excited uhhhhh

[shut moat]

lol

[stiff sable]

i meant hello

[charred merlin]

thanks for hanging out, hope to see you around more often 😄

[dire rose]

social conventions are based on a logical use of emotions, so you can learn them at one point

because they all follow a form of logic

[shut moat]

hooray for emotional detachement

[dire rose]

😎 i follow that line

but i'm fairly okay in human psychology so

(even if i'm socially a complete idiot LMAO)

[dire rose]

so honestly i'm not musically inclined at all but i did manage to get a very interesting beat by just mixing a ton of words, I feel like suno will just generate you something and if you put more words / try some interesting stuff (such as that "Song cut" method that harber gives), you might get complex beats

that rhythm game beat I made, I consider it to be pretty complex for a suno beat

so much variation is going on

take a listen

[shut moat]

I am emotionally disconnected. I don't associate that well nor can read emotions, also uh. im honest, like so honest I hurt people's feelings and don't know why.

[stiff sable]

i get that. tbf i can infer really well irl based on body language and emotion, and ppl cant tell ( i dont think ) when im interacting with them but other than that, i usually just read things with a very neutral approach 🤓

[stiff sable]

oh boy we're all just living the same life 😅

[dire rose]

well I used to be like that

but it's really not that complicated, you learn emotions based on how people act and based on how you feel

[shut moat]

people should be happy I say exactly what I am thinking lol

[dire rose]

Everything is logical in a way, when it comes to emotions

then, for the honesty part

well i'll take a crude but basic example (very crude tho)

suppose someone's father just passed away

that person should obviously gonna be sad, that is just logical

[shut moat]

"i lost my father"

[dire rose]

that's not quite my example

[shut moat]

where did you last seem him, you'll find him

[dire rose]

XD

[shut moat]

I know im just recalling a george carlin bit

[dire rose]

ohhh LMAO

ok wait what was i saying

oh right

[dire rose]

so, suppose I have to announce to that person

[shut moat]

im not empathically-tarded, i just...can't read people.

[dire rose]

let's give it 2 ways

way A (the crude, the one you'd use) : your father died (add details you know)

way B (the one most people would use) : hey man, sit down, i have a new to tell you and you're not gonna like it, (insert more blahblah), your father was a really great man, you can talk to me all you want man i'll be here for you, he passed away peacefully in his sleep (or wtv)

[shut moat]

I am more in tuned now though, my mom died almost 1 year ago, having had to witness her descent to her death.

[dire rose]

oh wow that's harsh

[shut moat]

i mean. it is what it is.

[dire rose]

my dearest condolences for you still

[shut moat]

mom got sick, stopped my life, took care of her for 3 years, then she died.

[dire rose]

how old are you?

[shut moat]

everyone's gonna do it eventually.

40

[dire rose]

ohhh

i was mistaking a bit about you then my apologies

i thought you were a person on the younger side that was, as a person with emotional detachment, slowly gonna learn it all

most people online are like that

but you're an older person that has seen it all

i'm guessing ur emotional detachment comes from a lack of care then, after 40 years

well i'll give you a tip, if you can find it, emotions do help in life

[shut moat]

I have been around.

I've lived on 3 continents so far.

[dire rose]

even if I agree, simply being yourself is also a simple and quiet way to live

[shut moat]

i use my emotion for the canvas.

i'm a painter for a career

[dire rose]

but actually humans are not that complicated, emotions add a layer of complexity and are intrinsically connected to how you'll judge ur life

[dire rose]

well that in itself is the start and end of the problem

you're currently half convincing yourself that this is what you're doing

and then, you're half really doing it, because you want it that way

is it as a way of distinguishment, or is it simply how you feel it should be? perhaps a bit of both

[shut moat]

the art is a pressure valve for everything that builds up inside.

[dire rose]

but, although it works, I won't try to force anything upon you, you're old enough to take ur own decisions

but painting emotions is nothing to be proud of

painting emotions when necessary, that's quite a skill

now gouging on emotions to allow yourself to freely view everything from an omniscient point

that has it's limits

personally i'm at only 18 so

i don't really have the point of view you have in life

and anyways i didn't live your life to begin with

but i found a nice gf and the emotions i've been feeling with her honestly made my life so much better, even if it didn't change that much in theory

now the gf example is irrelevant, but I am fairly sure there is always something new to try

[tight spade]

hello al

[dire rose]

hi cumulonimbus

[tight spade]

lol

[shut moat]

for sure my 7 year anniversary is coming up, trying to finish all the commission stuff so I don't have anything to think about art wise./

[dire rose]

i'm trying to open this sandwich but i can't

[shut moat]

but both of my current clients have me workin on stuff that's labor intensive and time consuming.

[tight spade]

fastes i could get it

[dire rose]

seems that I misunderstood what you meant again

[shut moat]

a pointilist drawing and a sort of pointilist paintings. both are taking an excess of 100 hours each to complete.

[dire rose]

oh WOW

that's insane

how do you feel about this career?

[shut moat]

i been doing it for about 18 years now.

it's pays the bills.

current job.

[dire rose]

that style looks really interesting

[shut moat]

need to charge more next time. 1 stack seems cheap.

but it's for a friend.

[charred merlin]

between this and @alpine venture's work, we need an #art channel ❤️

[shut moat]

but the stuff i make that is 'me' shit is way more...more

[sweet wigeon]

No no no. It is not randomazed. We collectively experiment here, not all ppl of that mine that's all right. When I say "we" I meen the group of funs how loves to experiment and to find out the capabilities of Suno. The basic idea of communication between human and GPT seems to be the same. GPT has extensive knowledge from various areas like basic terms for various instruments, which we did not learn yet, but we can if we are enthusianists for this kind of approach... We are the ppl who are not just experimenting but also learning in paralel. Which means that we are making ourself better by crossing over horizont - if you are not that kind of person that is absolutely fine, but then you will stay in the old way of thinking, like your horizont will be very limited for few hundreds of meters, whilst we are trying to see as far as possible to get the best.

[shut moat]

"Me" stuff

[stiff sable]

i swear suno gave me that as one of my cover arts the other day...

[shut moat]

i make most of my cover art in miudjourney for these songs, or mJ + my art stuff

[dire rose]

so far most of it is pretty randomized i'd say, it might literally work or not work

[stiff sable]

i love it tho, its super creative, ive always wanted to pick up painting but i always get sidetracked by something else, maybe some day .... 🙌 i'd be down for a #art channel as a fellow creative, i love seeing what everyone else does

[dire rose]

obv experiments prevent part of the randomization

but still is fairly randomized

[tight spade]

sooo i may look l ike an idiot i gus

[shut moat]

this is AI + some of my paintings

Midjourney's older models mix the human touch with the AI pretty well but their current models are kinda terrible at it.

i mean it isn't bad? but it doesn't meet my aesthetic standards

[charred merlin]

I don't think anyone feels that you're an idiot, we're just really interested in repeatable science-type experiments so we can understand Suno -- it's great to use tools like ChatGPT to get help, but sometimes it disregards stuff that we've already started to understand ❤️

At least I don't think you're an idiot, and I'm happy that you're wanting to help others 💪

[stiff sable]

if youre talking in terms of your generations and metatagging then, nobody has said that, and thats also not quite the point. we're all experimenting and trying out new things. however, most of our 'metatagging' attempts turn out to be baseless in terms of proof, and cant be replicated for accurate results which means we have to keep experimenting to see what does work!! 😅 let's keep experimenting!

[shut moat]

I wonder if there is a "seed locking" mechanism that you can use to really test the tags.

i can only base this off of my experience from midjourney.

[tight spade]

k well, play around note: Song Details and Metadata Follow]
[note: Tempo: Min/max 240-999 BPM/BPS]
[note: Time Signature: 10000000/28]
[note: Key: G major]
[note: Tuning: G D G B D G, 440Hz]
[note: Genre: Speedcore,

time sig is intresting

play 4/4 7/8 1/2 2/4 3

[shut moat]

but the way you could tell if your tokens had impact was to seedlock your prompt.

[tight spade]

21/8

[sweet wigeon]

I also noticed the problem with the tempo meta tags. I think it works in more general waz like tempo:allegro.

[tight spade]

way to tell is to delete it completly and do 5 gens

[stiff sable]

this is essentially what we were trying yesterday though, no? i can almost guarantee if i go and try this now, none of these things will be in my output 😅

[stiff sable]

this is a fairly common suggestion and one i'd love too 🙌 obvs midjourney has it, udio now has it as well so i defo think all of these things combined means its at least on suno's radar. whether we get it is another question! but 🤞 for v4 and beyond.

[sweet wigeon]

yes, no problem to add notes.

[tight spade]

any ways i spent my credit playig with tempu and time key i could make a play list and share it you can go throu settings a hear no need to watse yours

[stiff sable]

please send, i'll be interested to take a look when i get off work in 15 mins 😁

[sweet wigeon]

But if you have artist and some lovely song, you can ask ChatGPT or LLama to describe the style and techniques in the song or techniques of the author.

[tight spade]

https://suno.com/playlist/d37bf538-8728-49d8-a813-dc8f801e17d4 dont laugh lol

[sweet wigeon]

the cymbals quality is still low, it is some noise in background...

[tight spade]

some prompts dontt work like [admin [load:] does something not sure yet

[sweet wigeon]

This is what I really love on Suno. I can do one job in 5pm, and continue next day morning. This is not possible on Udio, because you need to wait 24 hours at least, so when I work in night, I cannot continue in morning.

[tight spade]

oh and suno swears alot in some of these i didnt put lyrics

[shut moat]

well im outta here, it's 12 am over here.

toodles

[tight spade]

night

[unique stone]

What are you expecting it to do?

[stiff sable]

so im immediately noticing the tempo, time signature and key are not applying

[tight spade]

not in a normal way way

[stiff sable]

some of these kinda slap as songs in general tho lol

[stiff sable]

i think this is a suggestion from the chatgpt suno bot which we dissected earlier and found that it ... doesnt really actually know anything

[tight spade]

re use gens or some thing load othe files

you can also talk to in xml btw

[unique stone]

Each generation would be separate and should only take the context of whatever you are extending from into consideration.

[stiff sable]

just because chatgpt tells you something doesnt mean it actually works

[tight spade]

i tested

[stiff sable]

yes but your playlist you sent the moment ago about tempo/time sig/key was you testing and it didnt work is kind of my point

[tight spade]

its not eficiant as [note:] to many charachters wasted

ok

thanks

well i tried

[sweet wigeon]

Why we are not able? I guess Suno determines the tempo based on many factors like arrangment, composition, lyrics, mood and many things. If we'd so great to calculate all these factors, than we would know how to write complete song, lyrics, length of verses, drumming patterns etc... We would have to be experts to find out what is in the "mind" of Suno to get to desired tempo.

[stiff sable]

and thats good ! you gotta try to see what happens 🙌 keep experimenting. you might come across something awesome some day.

[stiff sable]

simple answer: because that's just not how it works and its way more complex than that (suno also just doesnt understand music like that bcos its data is essentially just noise.... arranged noise but noise)

[charred merlin]

admin load doesn't give you any control over Suno. Can you explain where you're basing these ideas on, or is it just what ChatGPT is providing?

[tight spade]

well asking what other prompts work for othe general music generating sites ( or ai models ) not just suno.

[charred merlin]

Because that's simply not the way Suno was trained -- there are different platforms offering training data with bpm and tempo included directly in the training metadata, but I say that it's not currently possible because we've done extensive testing here trying to see whether it's possible or not.

https://suno.com/playlist/01fbf056-ba18-4d21-ac34-b69cc913eae2

[tight spade]

also github , wayback machine to see earlier prompt so on so forth

[charred merlin]

@sweet wigeon Here's an example of BPM tests that I made specifically trying to achieve "bpm 190", and each attempt failed.

We aren't able to explicitly "code" Suno in the same way that you can't "code" ChatGPT -- it might understand what you're talking about, but it immediately ignores your "code" once it forgets about it

[tight spade]

iv have achived 190

brb

[sweet wigeon]

these things are untested and probably won't work with Suno. You need to add metatags to brackets and Suno tends to read/sing some unusual metatags into the song. The AI cannot read this mess.

[charred merlin]

I don't think you answered my question, or I didn't understand the response.

Can you please share where you're seeing "admin load"?

[stiff sable]

if its not for suno, its not going to work with suno.

also i'd like to point out the GPT you showed us earlier with a link is trained on documentation which is just this site https://suno-ai.notion.site/Docs-Guides-Resources-38e5ba5856d249a89dcea31655f4fb74 which is based around Chirp v1

[tight spade]

sry 184 was the hiest

[plush field]

hey

free version of chatgpt now using 4o mini, and have updated informations, it knows what suno is, but have no idea how to use it, so if you want to use it, you first need to explain "suno rules", with something like this

suno has two prompts, one for lyrics, up to 3000 chars, and the other for genre description up to 120 chars

suno does not know some genres, so you need to mix known genres in that case

Understood! Given the constraints for Suno’s prompts, here’s how you might tailor them to generate a new hypertechno track:

Genre Description Prompt (up to 120 characters):
"High-energy electronic track with fast tempo, driving bass, complex drums, and intense futuristic sounds."

Lyrics Prompt (up to 3000 characters):
"Write lyrics for a high-energy hypertechno track with a dark, immersive vibe. The lyrics should be intense and atmospheric, reflecting themes of adrenaline, futurism, and cosmic exploration. Incorporate elements of rebellion and empowerment. Use vivid imagery and a rhythmic flow that complements fast-paced, pulsating beats. Include a build-up that leads to a powerful, anthemic chorus. Example themes might involve battling through challenges, transcending limitations, or exploring unknown realms."

[stiff sable]

ok there we go, that's cool, so it works ..... 1 out of 500 times or so on average

[tight spade]

lol

[plush field]

one song is c....
other sounds great, but have nothing to do with what i wanted 🙂

[stiff sable]

i would absolutely be down for tempo selection, i dont want to sound like im dismissing that, but i just dont think currently the model is 1) trained in a way that supports or understands it and 2) is competent enough at understanding metatagging in a reliable and consistent way

[plush field]

this gave me a nice intro in both versions

[Intro]
(Instrumental – Atmospheric synths and futuristic sounds build up)

[sweet wigeon]

Yes, but here I am not sure, because I have tried both Suno and Udio, last time Udio. I have created English song, and inserted Czech lyrics later. But with Suno I have experimented too. So I have made song in Czech, Hebrew and Arabic. But the problem there is that it does not rhyme. Which is very big problem if you want to create song.

[viral moss]

I've also found accompanying () bracket prompts next to the [] can add to it. Sometimes () get spoken out loud, but If you have it consistently set up, it's worked well for me

But, I'll usually do multiple () for each separate prompt

So like [Guitar Solo] (Wah pedal) (reverb)

[plush field]

suno has no problem in understanding other languages (including nonenglish sounds and letters), only issue is accent

and only in some words

it is usualy great

[sweet wigeon]

It was not really metadata, he did not inserted them in brackets, only few. But Suno cannot understand such a mass. That's too much.

[plush field]

but some sound just wrong

[sweet wigeon]

no. GPT, Sunno including, interprets tokens in context.

[plush field]

this song is an absolute banger, made in collaboration of ChatGPT 4o and Suno, I was just a middleman, so I think it is appropriate to post a link here (if you disagree, i will remove it from here and post in showcase)

https://suno.com/song/4288c9f3-bbfb-4ba4-ab5a-4d05af118659

[tight spade]

o imm simplify

ill simp it up

[plush field]

prompt for chatgpt was

give me a prompt for suno to generate new hypertechno banger

suno has no idea what new hypertechno is, you need to explain

suno has two prompts one for lyrics, up to 3000 chars, and other for genre description up to 120 chars

those 3

oh, sorry and

create lyrics for me, add comments like [Verse 1]

[tight spade]

SUNO.AI - Helper this is the the helper i use its written for suno

just look for it in chatgpt

[plush field]

i am using free version

[tight spade]

you get access to o version

limited for free users

in replys and prompts

[stiff sable]

you can access custom GPTs up in the top left using the 'Explore GPTs' button

[sweet wigeon]

it's not 184 bpm, this is "slow" music, is it like 105 bpm?

[stiff sable]

altho it doesnt rlly understand much more than normal chatgpt considering all that's really different is this

[tight spade]

moise says it 184?

[stiff sable]

it is 184, i counted and put it in a daw

[sweet wigeon]

I tried this: [drums tempo: metronome 180 bpm]
[drums pattern: BSTT + fills and licks]
[galloping bass guitar bridge]
[dubstep bass guitar solo]
The build up is pretty fast. https://suno.com/song/2b39007d-2e19-4a0d-b1ff-b353adfac6ed

[charred merlin]

We know the tool you're suggesting, we're trying to let you know that it doesn't work the way you seem to think it does.

@tight spade Show this picture to ChatGPT and ask it;
1- how many circles are in the picture
2- how many red circles there are
3 - how many circles there are inside the black rectangle

Hopefully this helps illustrate that just because ChatGPT gives you an answer doesn't mean that it's correct.

(inb4 "chatgpt 4o can do this, so it can obviously do anything)

[sweet wigeon]

LLama: "Dubstep is a genre of electronic dance music that originated in South London in the late 1990s. It's characterized by its heavy, bass-driven sound, complex rhythms, and often features elements of UK garage, drum and bass, and hip hop.

Dubstep typically features a slow tempo, often between 100-140 BPM, and emphasizes heavy, sub-bass frequencies. The genre is known for its dark, atmospheric soundscapes and often features complex, syncopated rhythms.

The galloping guitar bridge and dubstep guitar solo you mentioned are not typical characteristics of dubstep, as the genre is primarily electronic and doesn't often feature live instruments like guitars. However, it's possible that you're thinking of a specific song or artist that incorporates guitar elements into their sound."
🧐 So when I used dubstep, Suno could not use the guitar solo and it had to slow down... https://suno.com/song/2b39007d-2e19-4a0d-b1ff-b353adfac6ed

[plush field]

i guess the answer is similar to "how many letters R are in word strawberry"

The word "strawberry" has 2 letters "R."

[graceful condor]

Hiya, I was recommended this chat

What do you guys think about arbitrary code?

[stiff sable]

i love this one. its so simple and so funny

[charred merlin]

As in "commanding/coding" Suno to do things, like explicitly telling it what BPM, key, time signature, etc, to use?

[graceful condor]

Yes

[charred merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-say-the-line-gif-22118591

[graceful condor]

I wrote about it I'm general

[plush field]

letters, not sounds
Got it! In the word "strawberry," there are 2 letters "R."
🙈

[charred merlin]

"You don't code Suno, you talk to it."

[graceful condor]

I used an audio file for an experiment.

Well it might be possible to code suno soon

It's called glitches and bugs

[charred merlin]

Audio Upload and Extend are AMAZING tools, and audio upload is the only 100% guaranteed method to have granular control over Suno's output, because that's the only way you can have granular control over the input

We're a friendly group of nerds, lots of experiments and passionate discussions -- we might look like we bite, but we're really just interested in seeing people "show their work" instead of somene just showing a random cool song they made and saying "I made this, so I know everything I'm talking about."

This is the channel where the "experts" will passionately fight you to explain that they AREN'T experts, and would rather their observations and findings be discussed than themselves ❤️

(or at least that's what I see it as )

[graceful condor]

Oh ok

I made an audio file from an old generation

Of eleven labs sound effect

Just a random sound

It sounds like a turkey animal

[charred merlin]

Oh cool! I tried uploading 60s of me reading the other day, and it quickly dropped my accent and turned it into something else -- I suppose it's easier for Suno to recognize patterns and try to replicate them, while Eleven Labs trains on the specific voices themselves to extrapolate on it, rather than just repeating patterns like a parrot

[graceful condor]

Warning! Is very repetitive.

Here is my original sound file I used for the experiment

[charred merlin]

But ElevenLabs is also handling a way different use case

[graceful condor]

I made it so the weird sound stops after a certain amount of time for the upload sample

Maybe at 35 secounds

[graceful condor]

Yes suno ai likes to duplicate and clone.

I believe stale reference manipulation can be used because that

The more repetitive the sound and many sounds

The better the output is

On extend

It's almost as if it's like a training board.

Or pattern key hole.

Idk how to explain it

[inland rock]

True - getting a rotating evolving song requires a lot of encouragment

[sweet wigeon]

I did not remove the link. Wait, I will copy it again and post it or I will create playlist to experiments.

[graceful condor]

I did make a theory on this ages ago for something different but similar

How ai could use a consistent pattern and changes in between sections

I forgot most of it now

But I based it off of the subconscious how everything we see should be upside down

Maybe ai is the same.

If you move it backwards

It will move forwards

Add a opposite/counter to a sound

The opposites would then create a desire output

That's my theory

[sweet wigeon]

https://suno.com/playlist/db5b7649-5db1-473e-bb6e-1090a8f2d78e

[graceful condor]

I believe it might work

I could make a fully random sound audio file with only a few parts that make sense

The ai could use that to distinguish between the noise and what is not nonsense

And create the output based on my question

Like a calculator

If I ask it something it know then it will tell me

If I give the audio that has the answer in the noise ans ask it for that answer.

It could possibly give me the answer back

That is my new theory

[sweet wigeon]

Drums pattern:BSTT means 1st Beat - Bass 2nd beat Snare, 3rd and 4th beat tomtoms - But suno didn't play it because of dubstep is electronic music.

[graceful condor]

It's like coding except I'm teaching the ai only a snippet of code which is only useful for 1 use

There is 2 possible ways it could be done

1: create a single noise audio file with answer been said once aka the sound you want.

2: repeat the answer a few times inbetween the noise and extend from the answer

With request ofcourse

These may or may not work

[sweet wigeon]

I can prompt but I need to think style because dubstem, EDM, house, hip-hop it is not the kind of music where drums and guitar could be used, but I would like to skip synths.

oooh good toys. How much do they cost?

[graceful condor]

https://suno.com/song/fb276980-0b10-4093-a551-b0ddbccac5f7

Another experiment with extend and prompts, didn't really work but i tried.

[naive quail]

Were you just trying to get spoken words with this one?

[short eagle]

Hey. Can someone explain where to put meta tags. I'm trying to have a song with female chorus and male rapping. I've tried [Rapped Verse], [Verse Rapped], [Male Rapping] and every other possible meta tag before every verse. But if i add a meta tag for female vocal in the corus the whole song has female vocals.

[charred merlin]

Metatags go in the lyrics section, think of them as "targeted style prompts" for specific sections of the song

Trying to get specifically-gendered vocals is an ongoing struggle, as it's largely deterministic based on the lyrics / metatags / styles

[plush field]

you need to think about them as "suggestions" instead of "instructions"

[tight spade]

https://www.production-expert.com/production-expert-1/6-tempo-and-timing-tricks-for-music-producers

[plush field]

you might get what you want, but AI can also ignore that

nothing is "sure"

[short eagle]

that makes sense. I just managed to get 1 of the verses male and the rest female even though all verses has male as meta tag.

[charred merlin]

This is all very helpful, and while being educated on musical terminology and music theory is key continued education in the field, you do recognize that we're still not able to apply this to Suno, yes?

[plush field]

https://www.suno.wiki/faq/style-and-lyrics/duets/

check this

"Metatags within the lyrics might assign multiple voices, but the gender and consistency are not reliable"

[Mary]
This is my line…

[John]
But now I am singing…

[Mary and John]
There is a chance both of us are singing together…

[sweet wigeon]

Here we go, another experiment with drums... I call it "progressive rock, metronome db-90, fills and licks with a muffled snare tap"
[timesignature: 8/8]
[drums tempo: metronome 180 bpm]
[drums pattern: BSTTCTT + fills and licks with tap on snare]
[galloping bass guitar bridge]
[bass guitar solo]The guitar plays like 180 bpm but the drums seems slow... And they play cymbals more than expected.
https://suno.com/song/381c04b2-8f0e-402f-98f2-72f8b5d1dd6a

But now we are talking! This looks like 180 bpm for both drums and guitar! Nice!
https://suno.com/song/d0d10f91-3499-47a8-9f68-7dfa091de136

normal rock is not that fast. 195 is what? metal?

Suno may interpret db-90 as tempo... may or may not. IDK

You need to think like: Suno will not create music what you want, if the drummer is unable to play that instruction so fast...

[bleak light]

You don't see the problem with getting 5 credits back, and hoping that the system makes another mistake so you can actually use those credits?

[charred merlin]

@bleak light

It costs 10 credits to "generate", the same as it costs 10 dollars to buy a 2-pack of fancy cupcakes

If you buy them and one cupcake is smushed when you buy it, the cashier will give you $5 back

Is the problem that they haven't given you enough money to buy 2 more cupcakes?

[bleak light]

Yes, because you can't buy one cupcake

Again I ask, you don't see the problem with getting 5 credits back, and hoping that the system makes another mistake so you can actually use those credits?

[charred merlin]

It sounds like the problem is that you don't WANT to buy 2 cupcakes, but that's a separate problem.

[bleak light]

You will never be able to use the 5 credits you get from a refunded generation unless suno makes another mistake with generation.

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message I just decribed the concept of the 2 songs per generation here using a milkshake as an example

[charred merlin]

You use the 5 credits WITH THE OTHER CREDITS.

It's not wasted, because it goes back into your "credit wallet"

The only way it's "wasted" is if you're left with 5 credits and refuse to buy more

yes?

[bleak light]

Except you don't. I'll lay it out for you

You get 50 credits, and go make some songs. One of them is too short, and it refunds you 5 credits. You now have 45 credits. You make 4 more songs, and now you have 5 credits that you can do nothing with.

Oh just buy more credits, sure, I'll subscribe and get the 2500 credits. Now I have 2505 credits and the same problem

Are you getting it yet?

You have to depend on suno to make another mistake to actually use the refunded credit

[charred merlin]

Ideally, you'd prefer that Suno NEVER makes mistakes, and only ever generates a single song -- without questioning WHY two songs are made.

[bleak light]

Right, which is why depending on suno to make another mistake so that your refunded credit isn't useless is a bad idea

[charred merlin]

I understand what you're saying, but I feel like you're actively trying not to understand anyone else's opinion, because thinking the credits are "wasted" is very shortsighted.

[bleak light]

I understand what you are saying, but it feels like you are ignoring what I am saying

Yes you get the 5 dollars back

[charred merlin]

Yes, you're saying that if you subscribe and get 2500, you now have 2505, and after making 250 generations you'll still be stuck with 5 credits, which isn't enough to buy a 2-pack of cupcakes

[bleak light]

Right, and you can never use those 5 credits unless you get 5 more from another mistake

But it shouldn't make mistakes

So relying on something that shouldn't happen is not a good idea

[charred merlin]

In a perfect world, there will never be smushed cupcakes, and everything would be perfect.

Except we're not in a "perfect" world -- it was JUST invented less than a year ago

[bleak light]

Right, but thats irrelevant, the issue isn't that it makes mistakes

The issue is that if you get 5 back from the failed generation, you can't actually regenerate the song with those 5 credits

Even in a store, if you see a 2 pack of cupcakes for 10 dollars

You cannot open the pack and buy one

[charred merlin]

I understand your idea, I just don't think it's informed on why things are the way they are, and I'm not sure we're able to find a common ground at the moment.

Perhaps you could share your ideas with #💡┃suggestions-web to tell them to re-think the credits idea

[bleak light]

To be clear I don't have a problem with them giving 5 credits back for a failed generation

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1254418510885687366 or you can upvote this idea

[bleak light]

The problem is you cannot use those 5 credits at all

Do you get what I'm saying? There is a "generation failed, credits refunded" but there is no "retry generation" button

If the generation fails, you don't even need to give credits back, just display a regenerate button on the song that failed and try again

It's really not that hard

[charred merlin]

These are great ideas for #💡┃suggestions-web, but it's not something we can help you with here in the tech-chat ❤️

[bleak light]

But you understand what I am saying now right?

[charred merlin]

I understood what you were saying from the beginning, and again, it seems to stem more from misunderstanding of why things are the way they are.

But yes, I understand. It's something you should share in #💡┃suggestions-web so the devs can see it and consider it ❤️

[wicked mortar]

see that I can get behind, let's say it either fails or is too short, rather than just auto refund, keep the generation there, but an additional button to retry at no cost, if it does fail again, then we can just give up and accept the ai tried to redeem itself

[bleak light]

Ok so explain to me why things are set up so that you have to wait until suno has another failed generation to get enough credits to regenerate something

[charred merlin]

Dude, I don't believe this conversation is in good faith anymore, so I'm going to go do something productive like snuggle my cats, but I shared a link to my milkshake analogy earlier that explain it if you're genuinely interested.

[bleak light]

You explained how it works but you haven't explained why it's like that, despite saying that my opinion is formed due to not understanding how it works

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message

I understand the desire for things to be a certain way, but the only magical wishful thinking that matters is what happens inside Suno's brain

Pretty much every public-facing generative music tool I've played with, and a lot of early-access LLMs give you comparative tests to ask which one you prefer.

It's not a wild concept -- I understand it would be great if Suno just KNEW how to make perfect songs every time, hell, if you know how to improve the methods they're using, forget #💡┃suggestions-web and apply directly at https://suno.com/careers

[charred merlin]

Just in case Vanta doesn't post it in #💡┃suggestions-web I hope someone does, because that's genuinely an idea worth sharing, once we get past the complaints about why things are the way they are, or wanting to generate more/less than 2 songs

@wicked mortar I feel like we've never really chatted, but I always see your name reacting to things ❤️ I hope you're having a good day 🙂

[bleak light]

Even if it requires a control generation, it shouldn't be displayed, and I will argue that we should not be paying for said control image.

For people that want one song generation, just turn it off.

If you train an AI to be dependent on a control generation, it will always be dependent on that control generation. Stop buying the alcoholic whiskey and just implement a generation feedback system instead with occasional double generations and asking which one you prefer to improve the generation model

[wicked mortar]

Same to you 😄

[charred merlin]

Again, I understand why you feel this way, but these really aren't things that we're able to assist with here in tech-chat -- and the devs don't even pop their head in for tips, they go to suggestions/bugs

[bleak light]

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I am asking you to implement these things. I am discussing my opinion

[charred merlin]

I mean, you're replying to me while describing it, and I'm telling you to describe it elsewhere.

[bleak light]

For example, let's say that once every 50 songs you get a double generation and it asks you which one you prefer, you pick one, and it refunds you for the one you did not pick (if you have to pay for the 2nd one at all)

[bleak light]

But if I wanted to suggest it I would be suggesting it. I'm discussing it

That's what the chat is about is it not?

[charred merlin]

No, this is a chat about your suggestion, which seems more suited for #💡┃suggestions-web -- this is technical-chat, where we discuss the technical aspects of Suno -- not what they COULD be, but what they ARE

I'm not the boss in any way, so feel free to talk about whatever you want in whichever channel feels appropriate though ❤️

[bleak light]

Well then the channel should be renamed to "how-it-works"

[charred merlin]

Sounds like a great post for#1252257127326548028 🙏

The mods set that forum up so you can request all of the specific changes you'd like to see in the discord -- like what channels you want, and what you'd prefer that they be named 💪

[bleak light]

Suggestions browser is designated for feedback, people should not be having conversations in there, if you want to be technical about this channel then be technical about the others

[charred merlin]

I'd love to have a discussion about what the different channels' purposes are, maybe instead of a channel dedicated to technical questions we could make a post in #1252257127326548028 and discuss the concept further in the comment section of that post?

That way we're at least trying to organize our conversations ❤️

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[charred merlin]

I think you might have intended to post this in a MidJourney server?

[past jay]

@charred merlin I was looking for a way to get less robotic voice in musics ? I saw your conversation and was curious to know if you discovered anything new ?

[crystal nova]

how is it?

[naive quail]

Probably not the expected results... https://suno.com/song/19b330db-9cd8-456e-b41c-c3f32baf25b4

[charred merlin]

Admittedly I haven't experienced too many voices that I would describe as "robotic", could you share an example of a song you've made that has a particular robotic vocal tone so we could look into it and try to see what's going wrong?

[past jay]

https://suno.com/song/114df348-87b3-416d-b51b-e5465229d345 this one from times to times is quite robotic

[past jay]

I have some others but most of them tend to have that robotic / autotuned tones that's not pleasing to hear

[subtle python]

I'm trying to generate lyrics, and it's refusing. I used to think this would happen because of naughty words or being over 1000 words, but I can't figure out what could possibly be wrong with this paragraph in 'generate lyrics'. Please Help.

"Bloomburrow

is the first set in the Dragonstorm Arc. A ragtag team of anthropomorphic adventurers must band together to go on an important quest to save the realm from elemental calamity beasts and the Great-Night Owl. Glarb, the King of Frogfolk and a powerful wizard, is said to have insights about the calamity beasts. It is now up to Mabel and her colorful companions Gev, Hugs, Finneas, and Zoraline to redeem their world.

The animals have an advanced culture and are the main characters of the set. They wear clothing, talk, and wield magic. Unlike humanoid "animal people" on other planes, the animalfolk of Bloomburrow are the size of regular animals of their species. Much like Segovia, foreign Planeswalkers are changed when 'walking to here; in Bloomburrow's case, human Planeswalkers are transformed into anthropomorphic animals like the local races while here. It's unknown if traveling here by Omenpath will transform oneself, or if only humans are affected."

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1259902708765167709 is it this error, or what does the error message say?

[past jay]

this one https://suno.com/song/0f108b35-209a-4941-80a9-071e83d62001 is tough asw

[charred merlin]

Is there a particular section of the song where you think it sounds particularly "bad"?

[charred merlin]

Not quite sure particularly what would be bad about it, but you could ask ChatGPT what would be considered inappropriate since I think it uses ChatGPT as a backend for the LLM stuff -- or you could generate the lyrics in chatgpt and paste them into suno?

[past jay]

for the last one I shared, from 10 to 15 let's say and 1m16 to 1m24

[subtle python]

Thank you, looks like I can generate lyrics in Chat GPT. I've never used it before for anything. Wish I didn't have to leave the Suno ecosystem.

[charred merlin]

I know sometimes Suno can hit specific notes "awkwardly", but I'm not quite sure I'm hearing those particular differences.

That being said, adding a metatag before the lyrics can help suggest specific styles -- not an exhaustive list, but some ideas to try https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/voice-tags/

[past jay]

oh ty for the wiki

[subtle python]

@@charred merlin[Pre-Chorus] Chat gpt used this tag, will Suno recognise it?

[past jay]

I was looking for that

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message Yeah, there's lots of different structure metatags you can use, but the important thing to always keep in mind is that NOTHING is a command/code to Suno at the moment, it's all "suggestions"

seriously woodhouse, I'm trying to help people, you're usually fun company, but it's getting frustrating.

https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/song-structure/

So saying [pre-chorus] might act as a suggestion to suno that the block of lyrics right after it should be delivered as a prechorus, but that's assuming it's not overpowered by the other metatags, style prompts, etc

[charred merlin]

Not a problem! #1252267444773326848 has a bunch of user-submitted guides and tips, including the pool party where I post "prompt experiment playlists" when I remember to make them > #1256301881966198805

[past jay]

yeah I kind of read it earlier on

[subtle python]

@charred merlinI'm wanting to get chipmunk voices, this style tag "Chipmunk vocals" doesn't seem to work, what should I put?

[charred merlin]

hrm, so let's try to imagine that Suno is someone from a different culture -- we understand Chipmunks to be the high pitched silly recordings, but if they never had that series in Suno's culture, they would have no idea what we're talking about

🐿️ ❓

So let's try to think of different ways to describe the same kind of vocal effect -- high-pitched, squeaky, sped-up

[subtle python]

I'll try high-pitch vocals

[charred merlin]

Maybe we could try "falsetto"

[subtle python]

thanks never heard that word before, learning a lot of new music culture words

[charred merlin]

falsetto is like when you sing super high, higher than you normlly would be able to properly "project" your voice

😄 It's really exciting how many new things Suno introduces people to -- I was a live musician for a long time, and I never personally got the chance to "mix and master" the songs, I just sang and played guitar -- as much as I felt connected to the music because I wrote it, after playing my part I had to "hand it over" to an audio engineer to fiddle around with until they gave us the finished record -- and that was that.

Now I'm being introduced to SO many tools that are free on the internet (probably even better than what the old record studios had and charged butt-loads for) #📚┃suno-school message , and I'm able to take part in every step of the music industry -- music creation, advanced audio editing, mastering, mixing, and even releasing into stores -- heck, my friend @mystic flume even got her music put on CD!

[subtle python]

Welp, went with a deeper then ever so far male voice 😦

[charred merlin]

Oh man, Suno is fun😛 chances are "falsetto" is being overpowered by something else, but if you want I can take a couple minutes to see if I can figure something out? You can share the song here or DM it to me ❤️

[viral moss]

shit's broked, guys...
https://suno.com/song/78814a81-6d9c-4edf-ada0-6f8c530a7da8

‎

https://suno.com/song/16068fe3-174f-45fd-b8b5-8e49a75be2f8

[unique stone]

To be honest, the output is the kind of thing I'd expect from that kind of style prompt 😄

[viral moss]

Tums in aisle 7 got me pretty good

[unique stone]

This... this is something else... this isn't based on an audio upload at all?

[charred merlin]

It's more or less exactly what I hear in my head when I walk into a room and instantly forget why I left my office in the first place.

[viral moss]

No its public, its all just from that prompt

[unique stone]

That is totally mad. It sounds like several pieces of music are playing at the same time

I thought I'd forgotten to close the tab with the other song in it

lol at 01:05 it suddenly restarts

[viral moss]

It sounds like a radio phasing in and out of tons of channels at once, I heard Chipmunks, Punk, Pop, Dance....

There's a beat in there somewhere...

[charred merlin]

I tried a couple v3 and v3.5 generations with the same prompt -- wasn't able to get anything quite like it. Very peculiar for sure -- I'd report those as ...>report>bug>poor audio because something weird certainly is going on

[charred merlin]

audio uploads can be made public, and even clips with discernable vocals are able to be made public if the detection system doesn't catch them for one reason or another.

Either way, that still is wild.

[unique stone]

yeah the chipmunk vocals were interesting

[modern wagon]

im so confused. joined this server to try and use the bot to produce a clip of a song i wrote so that i can base my own version off of it, but i dont see the "chirp" bot that the youtube video showed. any help as to how i actually access the AI?

[flint haven]

How to use Suno

Hi there!
If you’re ready to dive into creating music, head over to Suno.com.

For more detailed information, check out docs-guides-resources.

If you have any more questions, just ask in #general-suno where you can always find our community, moderators and guides to help you with most questions. 😊

[charred merlin]

Chirp bot has been retired -- video is outdated.

[hollow hare]

Hi Harber ❤️

[charred merlin]

Hey Walnewt

[modern wagon]

Thank you!!!! Sorry for asking as I am sure you get many people asking the exact same question

[hollow hare]

It's all good 🙂 We usually have people directly trying to use /Chirp without any typical followups (by the person invoking, Woodhouse set up to respond about heading to suno.com)

[charred merlin]

Not a problem in the SLIGHTEST -- for the longest that, that was the only way to make music -- there was Chirp for music and Bark for text-2-speech.

After Chirp really took off they spun it off into Suno and open-sourced Bark so anyone can run it on their computer or on the web 👀 https://github.com/suno-ai/bark

[modern wagon]

Haha I gotcha. Yeah I am not looking to really use whatever AI makes as a "draft" so to speak so that I can write and record my songs, so when I saw the video I was very interested

[charred merlin]

A lot of people might have older documentation (like old youtube videos, or stuff translated for their languages that arent updated as often), so it's completely fair that THIS IS the place where you used to use the chirp command.

Now that you're here though, the fun really starts 😄

[charred merlin]

So to clarify you're wanting to use it more seriously, or just to play around?

[unique stone]

@teal raft check this out... interesting results from the given prompt

[modern wagon]

Just play around. I have written and performed many songs, but I am actually working on a new album that is a completely different type of music and have no idea as to the tempo/vibes of the songs i have written, so i figured some type of AI could point me in the right direction after hearing it

[hollow hare]

I recommend checking out the wiki (linked at #1151542418991239168 with other useful guides) first then try out the Custom Mode feature with the topics you learned about.

It will make your experience much better than what may be generated in simple mode (which has nothing wrong but custom mode is a lot more flexible in trying to get something you had envisioned)

[modern wagon]

Thank you!

[stiff sable]

this is how i love to use suno too (most of the time)! super fun to hear your song concepts translated into instant ideas! hope you end up having lots of fun with it 😁

[hollow hare]

That being said, do not be afraid to try out simple mode too, especially with the adlib-like templates that very recently came out. The simple nature of simple mode can produce some unexpected gems.

A few beginner notes:

• As a free plan member, you can submit up to 5x a day* as each generations costs 10 credits (generates 2 songs per submission) and you get 50 daily.
• Credits renews, it does not get carried over (excluding top-up and gift credits).

*The real limit is the amount of credits you have for generation. You get 50 credits per day which resets at 0300 UTC+0.

[flint haven]

Free Credits Refresh

Refreshes at 0300 UTC+0 (<t:1713236400:t> in your local time)

[stiff sable]

^ looove using simple mode sometimes when i randomly feel like it, often it creates some super great results i wouldnt have imagined with how to prompt in custom. no one knows the AI better than the AI itself ;)

though some ppl will try to convince you otherwise 🤭

[stable sparrow]

was trying to get some cool dubstep music with suno, but it always goes into some kind of pop music. what could be a style prompt for such a music style? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2hPUbnHc94&ab_channel=DubstepuNk

[hollow hare]

Usually if I have trouble invoking a certain genre in 3.5, I make the initial track in 3.0, which seemingly has a better understanding of various genres than 3.5, then extend into 3.5 for the song structure.

[viral moss]

Forgot to mention, one version had "You've Got Crabs" in the style prompts, the singers would sing that line a few times in the intro

[stiff sable]

i would recommend v3 over v3.5 for that kind of thing, however i've found for that kind of thing, prompts like:
wobbles, heavy, gritty, wobble house, dark, big room, phonk, electro house, intense energetic, dubstep, edm dubstep, riddim work quite well (some of these overpower others so asking for 'wobble house' or 'electro house' gives you the vibes you want whilst keeping it in a dubstep tempo and style (im not saying use all of these at once for a single generation))

some of my experiments you could maybe see for a starting point: https://suno.com/song/9d390d83-d797-45be-92b6-93f76e332b5a v3
https://suno.com/song/082053c4-d6e6-445e-8c4a-485328708699 v3.5
(i didn't even outright prompt for dubstep in these but its close)

[stable sparrow]

is there any way to export lyrics as srt or something to be used in other software?

[hollow hare]

Unfortunately not yet

[modern wagon]

https://suno.com/song/c9cc7829-5e3b-4c0f-b73b-c1e1ca7c4311 Im sorry if this is not the correct chat to share, but I am in awe. This is almost exactly what I envisioned for this song

[hollow hare]

There are some services that can estimate the timing of the lyrics when you use them without timings, I know YouTube can do it since I used to do it manually

[stiff sable]

hehe i recognise that voice from trying to experiment with country styles the other night
im so glad that youre happy with your result, i love that feeling 😁

i really love those lyrics btw, very heartfelt and the way they tell the story of the song is really nice ✨

[modern wagon]

Is there a way I can get that exact instrumental?

[viral moss]

Found it
https://suno.com/song/c9e69828-d58f-4526-aecd-3b562cc39faf

And this one, they waved in and out of saying the first line and the last style prompt. It's so weird
https://suno.com/song/b222424e-4f92-4518-8833-f024c2984a33

[modern wagon]

Thank you!!!! I have always been very lyrical, unfortunately was not born with the singing talent to go along with it

[stiff sable]

im not sure if the free plan has it yet, but you should be able to click on the three dots next to the song and do 'Get Stems' to seperate vox and inst (but its very early days and you might be better off downloading the song as a wav and uploading it to a service like Bandlab Splitter https://www.bandlab.com/splitter to get the seperate parts

[hollow hare]

If you mean by generating pure instrumental tracks, there is an instrumental switch option, though I personally do not like using it and opt to use instrumental tags instead (more control and less hallucination)

Shiroken had noted (https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1261146873331318835) that three metatags can be used consecutively without a break between them

Example:

• RayanAIR's Novo Lands

[viral moss]

This one just... Ignored the lyrics
https://suno.com/song/43d2a4d5-7d0d-42c1-907d-7f9321c88ad6

[stiff sable]

it is a cool instrumental tho

[hollow hare]

^ I hate and love it when Suno does that. At least it is an uncommon or rare occurrence, though it depends on the genre too I find

(Sorry for the ping, forgot to turn it off in the reply)

[viral moss]

np 👌 sorry I keep popping in with test stuff

[hollow hare]

So long as it is contributes to the topics on hand rather than being used as a showcase alternative, it is fine

[errant hawk]

Guys! Cannot find any way to do it, maybe you have a solution?
I want use simple mode and generate 20 songs with 10 random lyrics but in EXACT style I define, for example “jazz” (or any specific multi-word style that I prepared and tested before), but with no any additional/removed style tags. Every time Suno adds some tags or removes it from style description.
Did you find any prompt to do it, to prevent from changing defined style? Testing everything.
Only way as for now is to open 10 tabs in browser, copy-paste style, use custom mode and generate 10 texts, then press generate tab by tab. But it takes soooo much more time, better to use it on listening and finding best ones.
Anyone tested such prompt in simple mode and succeeded?

[charred merlin]

@naive quail has gotten style bleed through a few times, and it’s always hilarious — “Enraged Goats on Welfare!” being screamed at the top of someone’s lungs is QUITE a way to start a metal song off 😅

[charred merlin]

This is the issue with simple mode — you’re looking for the type of control that “custom mode” gives you ❤️

“It’s a feature, not a bug”

[errant hawk]

I know, but no random lyrics 😂 need to put new lyrics all the time.

[charred merlin]

In custom mode, you can type whatever you want and press “generate lyrics” to create the same kind of lyrics, except you’ll have EVEN MORE control over what you ask it to generate 👀

This way you can get the exact same lyrics for 20 songs, or choose different lyrics for each pair 👀 💪

[hollow hare]

I like using rateyourmusic.com to look up genres or songs (the latter to see what styles they used).

If you scroll to the bottom of the genre page (hierarchy section), you can see all the subgenres related to said style, which is very useful for Suno generations for the style you want.
E.g. https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/dubstep/

I tried testing some dubstep entries which you can see in the new part of my profile.

[unique stone]

You know... I just remembered we had this discussion recently regarding multiple free accounts, after seeing the name of the Suno account you were posting your crazy prompt experiments from... I count 3 accounts you've been sharing songs from recently.

[errant hawk]

Thanks @charred merlin, got no any solution. Hoped it might be in future bug nor feature. 🙂 I’ll ask guys later, maybe anyone found any prompt solution.

[sweet harness]

has anyone found a way to get suno to make instrumentals that loop somewhat seamlessly?

like if on loop the beginning would run into the end without too much of a jolt

[charred merlin]

If I understand, you want to use Simple Mode, but you don’t want it to add extra style prompts, correct?

If so, it’s not something that can be prompted differently — Simple Mode is designed this way so people can get different results without needing to know different musical terms

So every song doesn’t sound “so similar”

[errant hawk]

Did you test my old Suno Composer? Very helpful, included rewriting existing songs (I mean syllable count and topic, not words).

https://chatgpt.com/g/g-ak1zo6jRu-suno-song-composer-by-michalai

[charred merlin]

To be honest, I’ve only seen ChatGPT cause more confusion than good — specifically relating to Suno.

Unless it’s specifically used to write lyrics, it always leads to more misunderstandings — I see this GPT is geared toward syllable count and flow, which could be helpful, though! 💪

[charred merlin]

I’d say the easiest way to “guarantee” it would be to upload the looping audio and extend from that — 60s if you could that way you’d have a solid musical context to “hook onto”

#📚┃suno-school message

Here’s an AMAZING suite of free web-based audio tools if you need to separate stems, edit, loop, ANYTHING 😄

[sweet harness]

thank you, i'll look into that, it isnt overly important only I'm making instrumentals for dnd games and it can be distracting if the dramatic fight music suddenly restarts

[charred merlin]

If you’re anything like me, it’s not important until you get 80% of the way there, and you get determined enough / attached to a cool part in a song, and you might need some easier tools to dip your toes into.

If you ever run into any hiccups, pop your head into here, or ask one of our ever-talented guides ❤️

Until then, god speed and may the dice be ever in your favour

[charred merlin]

Lmao, way to barge into that touching conversation with a LITERAL RIOT OF ENRAGED GOATS ON WELFARE

https://tenor.com/view/vtactor007-rwmartin-randymartin-krennic-gif-18681777

[graceful condor]

Yes

[lofty merlin]

I don't know if there's a place to mention this, but I figure this is the most reasonable channel? For the latest Mini-Poll about desired 3.5 improvements, I chose "other" (in addition to two others), but is there a place to specify what other thing you're looking for? Personally, the way Suno often (though not always; but often) tries to fill the full generation time, even if the song should end earlier, is a big annoyance for me that I'd like to see improved. (Yes, I know I can "extend from" or cut the ending in another program; but I'm trying to automate as much as possible, and that's a manual process.)

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1252783540131860503 there’s a known-suggestion for that very idea, if you wanted to throw an upvote onto the post in the link? That way the devs know it’s still something people want — out of ~400k, hard to believe only ~70 have stopped in to say that’s what they want 👀

[lofty merlin]

I already have, awhile ago. Ah, well, if that's the only outlet to communicate this desire to the devs, so be it. Personally, I don't even need control over the length, I just wish that when it finished singing the lyrics, it was always smart enough to drop an outro and stop there 😂

[stuck plinth]

is there anything that I can do to help with this issue? Or escalate this issue? Is it some sort of shadowban triggering due to some sort of usage? Its def server related, not frontend It is blocking POST requests attached to an account, same browser different emails it will work on one, not work on another.

403 Forbidden requests so far are liking, generating/creating of any kind, however adjusting the playlist are allowed

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1252332553738653838

[glacial gazelle]

So i have this idea to create a midwest emo song but idk where to begin with it, i was wondering if i can get some tips to help me

[stuck plinth]

for both custom or regular generation, try your best to describe it in concise detail, I like including the BPM and the feel, tone, into the prompting. So for example

A midwest emo song about eating alot of cheese and feeling lazy after eating. 100 BPM, clean distorted chords, technical drums, depressing and grim, guitar solo and hardcore breakdown

you'll get more control with the custom lyrics

adding square brackets for custom is super helpful like

[verse 1]
I ate alot of cheese, and now I feel bad

[chorus]
woe is me, woe is me

[Instrumental Break]

[Bridge]
I hate cheese! I give up!

[Hardcore Instrumental Breakdown]

[chorus]
woe is me, woe is me!

[end]

lol

[glacial gazelle]

lolllllll

w example 😂

[stuck plinth]

but generally, square brackets are used for instructing the model to do things to the song, parenthesis is for a emphasis, or backup singer basically (someone in the background)

[glacial gazelle]

Alright. thank you!

[stuck plinth]

have fun!

[steady bison]

i cant log into my account. I don't want to be charged when i'm not even using it. Can someone help me?

[polar spade]

The most common way would be to click "sign in" or " log in" and then "forgot" or reset password to have reset codes sent you. What's the issue out side of resetting the password?

[polar spade]

Isnit that you are somehow denied access to your account? I can't see what immediate charges there would be while logged off, other than monthly subscription fees.

[steady bison]

i have my user name but i cant find any other login info. I thought i signed in with my gmail account but i don't see any info. I put in my credit card for 10 a month. I can't log in. I wish i could with my username. I canceled my credit card hope that helps

[polar spade]

Most sites have the option to remind you of either user name first , then reset password. I'll sign out and then see what my login page looks like in that regard.

[steady bison]

i don't see anything where i can do that.

by the way thanks for helping

[polar spade]

On the home page (not signed in) on my android phone, the sign in button is upper right. Then a pop up , I choose to sign in by Apple, Discord, Google or Microsoft, as you had originally associated your phone number and either of those with your account. Optionally the next line down you can just enter your phone number and it sends you a login code by SMS.

[steady bison]

i did that but it go's to another account. Is suno a scam. i don't get it

[polar spade]

So I only put in my phone number to get a code, to see. (Then just declined and clicked the Google icon to automatically log me in by it identifying my Google account on my Android phone. No where to put in an email.

You did which "that"?

That the log in popup on my android phone, samsung

Which "that" did you do?

[steady bison]

yea i logged into with my phone number but it went to another account

[hollow hare]

You can log out by clicking your profile picture then sign out

If the third party sign in is still logging you into the incorrect account (wuthout asking which to log into), delete all your cookies

[steady bison]

i know how to log out. i don't know how to log into my account all i can find is my username

[polar spade]

It responds to me "enter the verification number sent to your phone" , that being the phone number you entered. So it sends a verification to another number? Or it's doing something else not expected?

[hollow hare]

When you signed up for a subscription, you should have gotten an email from Suno sent to your account. Search all your inboxes for "Suno"

If you still cannot find the correct login, you should be able contact either [e-mail] and provide the reference ID for the payment process ID (which you should have gotten in an email) when you purchased the plan as part of the verification, and/or contact [e-mail] if a suspension needs to be made.

There isn't anything we can do here on Discord to retrieve what account you signed up with

[polar spade]

Ahhhh.... are you using the app?

[steady bison]

im on pc . web browser

[polar spade]

There is a web page that looks like it's suno.

Hold on.

Stupid me. No app. But the page is simply "suno.com" no other embellishments to the name.

If it's a white page, it's not what you're looking for. Suno has a black background, least on my phone it does.

[steady bison]

suno.com it has a black backround i used to make ai songs yea thats it

[polar spade]

There is home page on mine.

[mystic flume]

This is a valid way to use Suno. As long as you're paying for a subscription, you own every beat it makes for you so you can get inspiration from or even copy them exactly using your own instruments.

[polar spade]

[e-mail] is the help email.

[steady bison]

thank you

[polar spade]

And on Apple IOS, the app is a white background apparently. Click the buyer menu bars top right and click HELP to read and FAQs. But write directly to billing as well to see if they can help further.

[mystic flume]

Do you use more than one google account in that browser? If so, you should try logging out of all of your google accounts (via Google, not Suno) and then starting at suno.com to log in via google and sign in. It's probably automatically logging you in under your currently active google account.

[polar spade]

Ooops... click the *burger menu bar top right... (sorry typo) and it lists HELP, ABOUT, ETC.

[steady bison]

i have 3 emails i can't find any info on suno.com in there but i did pay for it about a week ago for 10 dollars a month.

[bleak flame]

hello

[mystic flume]

I have the same issue on some websites. Like. OF will just create a new account for any google ID you try to use, so you can't just try one to see if that's the one you originally used. You'll end up with 5 accounts!

[mystic flume]

So go to google, log out of all your google accounts. Or, alternately, go to suno in a private / incognito tab and log in via your gmail that way.

[steady bison]

i have one google account there is no info on suno

[polar spade]

What Tinda says. try that as well. But it's odd that by using a phone number , you get a code that leads you to log in to something that is not what you recognize as your account or it doesn't go anywhere.

Did you check your bank account to see to whom /where the charges went? Often those would list the web page or phone number.

[mystic flume]

Google wants to be helpful so if you're already logged into an account you've authorized with Suno, it'll just use that one rather than checking to make sure it's the one you want.

[mystic flume]

You said you have 3 emails but only one google account, is this correct?

[steady bison]

i have a hotmail, a gmail and yahoo mail

[mystic flume]

The subject line of the email receipt you get after subscribing is Your receipt from Suno #0000-0000 (where the zeroes are just your invoice number).

[polar spade]

Oh. Wait....!!!!

[fluid vault]

👋

[mystic flume]

While we're on the subject: y'all need to install BitWarden.

[polar spade]

I just tried to sign back in and it through me into someone else account. Uh oh.

[mystic flume]

with your phone number?

[polar spade]

So it may simply be a glitch, Defsleep

[mystic flume]

can you access subscription info fo rtheir account, etc?

[polar spade]

Yes. With my phone number. I got an SMS.... PUT THE CODE IN.... and it appeared to do nothing.

[mystic flume]

https://suno.com/account

[polar spade]

So I refreshed and I'm in.

[mystic flume]

In... your account?

Oh, it's a new account with a random username.

[polar spade]

Yes. I am in their account. So I'll log out and restart the phone.

[mystic flume]

And you previously logged in with your phone number?

[polar spade]

Oh yea? True. 50 credits. That may be a new account. Odd.

[mystic flume]

It's doing what I said before: creating a new account for your phone number.

[fluid vault]

@polar spade if using a browser, might clear cache?

[steady bison]

yea all i got is my username. no idea how to log in

[mystic flume]

Well, the issue here isn't cache-related. It's that using a phone number created a new account for someone who previously logged in using only their phone number, if I'm getting the full context.

[steady bison]

phone number does not work that just logged into a different account

[polar spade]

Ah ha. Right. I may not have used that number previously, so it simply set up a new account. That's silly. Ok. I'll log out and click Google instead.

[mystic flume]

And you searched your emails for the subject line I gave you?

[fluid vault]

@mystic flume copy

[mystic flume]

hmm?

oh, copy as in 'understood'?

[fluid vault]

Yesm, sorry

[polar spade]

Ahhhhh.... much better. Guess I used phone number #2 for this account.

[fluid vault]

Yay ur fixed!

[mystic flume]

Now install bitwarden.

[fluid vault]

Dang all these people I see have thousands of plays and hundred of thousands likes

[polar spade]

Back to Defsleep.....

[mystic flume]

Ignore that; they're just playing for views. It's weird.

[fluid vault]

Mine are like 3 likes! 60 plays!

[steady bison]

have a good night hopfully canceling my credit card will fix it

[fluid vault]

Playing for views? Ya I'll just ignore it. :p

[mystic flume]

Well, that'll stop payments yes. But it won't fix anything.

[mystic flume]

Sure. Go in the showcase channels and watch. People just posting their music over and over begging for likes.

[steady bison]

great i'm starting to hate the site

[mystic flume]

I've offered several solutions but I can't tell if you've tried them or not.

[fluid vault]

goes and looks for showcase

[steady bison]

i tried everything thanks again

[polar spade]

Well, as long as the % is between .5 and 2%, then that's what I see the "trending" scores. But so many likes within so much time is more likely the benchmark.

% meaning, likes / plays

[fluid vault]

How does someone add their song to showcase?

[mystic flume]

Meh, it's a fool's errand trying to game that system. The only people who benefit from it are Suno.

[mystic flume]

you just paste the link. But I'm telling you, it's a waste of time unless you wanna do what they're doing, and get bots to like your music on the site.

[fluid vault]

Oh, ya no, nvm!
Lol thank you

[mystic flume]

I don't see a benefit for participating, personally.

[fluid vault]

@mystic flume you work for Suno?
Or just help em out?

[mystic flume]

Instead I focus on writing good songs and then making them sound as good as they possibly can, and then release them out into the world to make their fortune.

[mystic flume]

Neither.

[polar spade]

Your % is .05% , so you are trending. Yay! But if no more likes, and no more plays in so much time passed, that trending might drop off to limbo again. Just a guess of mine, why some jump to trending then disappear.

[fluid vault]

Oh, so you just help people for fun? 😉

[mystic flume]

I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy, asking him to not participate in the weird popularity contest that has no prize.

[fluid vault]

I'm just a boy sitting in front of a girl not looking for a prize! :p

[mystic flume]

Its purpose is to draw people to the service, so I get why it exists. I just don't see how it's beneficial to participate when I could be doing so many other things.

[polar spade]

I threw a few in public just for fun, but will likely remove again. Same here, I'm using to pitch to artists. So there is no benefit to be heard here. Keep it private and professional.

[mystic flume]

But I do a lot of post work / editing / mixing on all my songs so I don't even really like the original Suno versions except for a few that somehow emerged fully formed.

[fluid vault]

I just create songs. Lots of em.

I have ADHD and can't sit long enough on a PC to create music, or play an instrument.

I can how ever write. Dunno why.

So I write music to put in Suno.
Suno is amazing.

[mystic flume]

It is amazing, yes. You write your own lyrics?

[fluid vault]

70-90% yes

[polar spade]

You write "music"? And upload the audio?

[fluid vault]

I don't upload audio, nvr tried it, I let Suno do that

I just write lyrics

I think my voice would only scare people

[polar spade]

Oh you said you write music? Did you mean lyrics?

[fluid vault]

Yes sorry

[polar spade]

Lyrics... got it. Ok. Right. Yes. Cool to see what it does to lyrics.

[fluid vault]

Facts!

[polar spade]

facts?

[fluid vault]

"cool to see what it does to lyrics"

Yes, facts.

[polar spade]

This isa first. All our avatars look.like actual people. Lol

[polar spade]

Ahhh... word. Got it.

[fluid vault]

Lol, mines a pic of me in a zombie apocalypse

[mystic flume]

Don't let mine fool you I'm a very sophisticated AI from the future sent to make great glam-rock.

[fluid vault]

I'm just me. Not super intelligent, but smart when it comes to common sense, and a jack of all trades kinda guy

[polar spade]

Future Droid writing past genre. Cool.

<<< presently writing americanized kpop songs. Who knew. But suno definitely can help the production and give direction on the melody. So it's something.

[fluid vault]

I like it!

I make random genre, all kinds.
For many people! Love keeping there chins up!
Making them happy when they are low, etc!

I am one of them glass is half full kinda guys though

[polar spade]

There ya go. Good attitude. Well done.

[fluid vault]

Thanks! You too!

[polar spade]

Even half empty, it means it was once full, so someone benefits either way. Lol

[fluid vault]

Agreed.

[polar spade]

.... as is my brain.

[fluid vault]

Lol reguardless! There's water! "Drinks it" hahaha!

[polar spade]

Well this is tech-duscussion. You should pop over to the general discussion and get some opinions on yours creations.

*your

[turbid lintel]

how do you get the songs to be less long, every song is going almost 4 munutes and they often change style in a way that is very annoying at around 2:30

[fluid vault]

Agreed, it just kept telling me to come here for some reason.

@turbid lintel chance.

😦

Would be cool if you could put a time limit!

[polar spade]

They are aware that we often want the sing to end somewhere soon after the lyrics are done. Using commands like [end], [ Fade out] , or [outro] might help.

[turbid lintel]

the hard cap at 2 minutes was even better

[fluid vault]

@polar spade there are commands!? Where do you find this info!!??

[turbid lintel]

you just make them up

[fluid vault]

[2 minute song]

??

[turbid lintel]

here is my latest song, it goes really good until they just add on a total different style around 2 minutes at the end you can see the random stuff i put in the lyrics https://suno.com/song/7935670f-a757-4a0c-88b4-6ec7ed98c404

[polar spade]

If you extend a song, it then caps at two minutes for an rural, song with words, song. You can try a hack by working out how long the song should be, and extend it 2 minutes from your songs proposed ending point. It's odd, but could work.

[turbid lintel]

trying to get good random distortion

[fluid vault]

Interesting

Well hopefully I'll talk to you all later!! See ya!

[polar spade]

Since it does often repeat 2nd verses, and makes up it's own machups of lines, it can make the song verbally longer than you wish as well. Sometimes good, sometimes not so much.

[polar spade]

Have a good evening.

[mystic flume]

Try extending from the beginning of an instrumental you like, then. You'll get the benefit of v3.5 with the 2 minute cap you want.

[fluid vault]

You aswell.

[mystic flume]

The most effective way to get your songs to end when you want is to write the lyrics in a cohesive structure and then modify that to augment Suno's original interpretation once you find an interpretation you like. Don't try to get a one-gen wonder.

[polar spade]

*rural=aural

[hollow hare]

How do I end a song in Suno 3.5?

Extend where you want to end with the new extension set to either v2.0 or v3.0 when using ending tags (e.g. [end] in lyric box and "end, short" as the style tag) as they are much more reliable for ending than 3.5.

(Short to help end it quickly in hope for credit refund)

[polar spade]

Yes. Exactly. I write in the style of the genre I'm trying to force it to recognize by the writing style. Then prompt in that direction as well. It's usually on the mark, but unfortunately still like to repeat 2nd verses or double up the choruses. So then it's extension time and 19 gens later, ta da!

[mystic flume]

I think of it as a collaboration. I write lyrics, then Suno writes a song from then. Then I have the power to change it a bit at a time by adapting to the generated structure. It's like a railroad. Suno finds the easiest way to navigate the obstacles between the song's beginning and end to achieve a sound it thinks is "good" -- that's a strong limit on how much you can change things. Trying to make one change may be like trying to turn the railroad to go straight through a mountain. Other times, you can find a nice flat spot that allows you to add a pivot naturally.

[polar spade]

Very well said.

[mystic flume]

The initial generation is like the terrain you have to traverse. So, if there's a river going through it and your plans (lyrics) don't account for a bridge to go over it, Suno will create a bridge using what it has.

[polar spade]

So far, I'm amazed at many of the results simply as they are. I crashed my laptop, so when I get a new one and get my daw back up, then I can do more to clean up the gens, same as you.

[mystic flume]

This is not scientific (or at all accurate) but it's a simple model that helps me understand how to manipulate Suno to do what I want.

And yeah, the results amaze me too. But it's a long way from "amazed" to "a song I want to listen to on repeat"

[polar spade]

Technically, I've now found it simply will repeat old versions of lines, regarless of my changing the lyrics. So i now clear the "create" window every chance I get before posting extentions and it really helps to keep it updating properly.

[polar spade]

Speaking of repeat. They removed the repeat button. I'm sad. As a practice, I listen to songs at least 50 times on repeat to get so sick of the bad spots that clearly need to be re-written. They become evident the more you listen. So, from my perspective, it's made using suno a bit more frustrating.

Every song I've written gets somewhere over 10+ rewrites. It's just naturally built in to the process.

[mystic flume]

I do the same. Well, not using Suno's player, but the concept. The first "final" version is usually the one I'll use to make sure I like the lyrics and all the words are pronounced correctly, etc. Then I go in and do a bunch of extends from various parts of the Full version, and edit those into the master in Audition.

[polar spade]

Test #34: if you can't sing the song you've written and can breathe at the same time, though a novelty and fun to listen to once or twice, it's not a good song for others to listen to.

[polar spade]

Once a well-written song, you throw it into many other genres and get another good song out of it. Save the 7-syllable, 4 line stanzas that can be played in any genre of course.

Good to read someone who uses the site for serious endeavors. Nice to meet you. I'm off get some sleep. Good night.

[charred merlin]

[e-mail] if you need someone to look into the matter for you — sorry we can’t be of more immediate assistance

[charred merlin]

You don’t “command/code” Suno, you “talk to it”.

https://www.suno.wiki can show you [metatags] to use, but they are just “suggestions” that Suno can easily ignore if you give too many

[fluid vault]

Ty

[charred merlin]

You are very welcome! #1252267444773326848 is a very helpful wealth of information, many users share their observations

Feel free to ask myself or the guides any questions — we’re happy to help you learn and experiment with Suno

[fluid vault]

Love you guys

[charred merlin]

Also, only the people with purple names are staff — everyone else just loves Suno.

It “woke me up” from “not feeling like myself” for a long time — I want to help even one person do the same.

Back to bed for me, but I wanted to introduce myself, and I’m glad you got to meet my rockstar of a friend Tinda Lee — she sure as heck knows her stuff 👀

[fluid vault]

I'm colorblind, but thanks, have a good night! Thank you!

[sweet wigeon]

IMHO Every one can learn to sing if his vocal cords are all right.

[fluid vault]

Lol thank you, maybe some day I might try.

[sweet wigeon]

That's cool. Most of my songs are not in English, so it is harder to create rhymes. AI has really problems to create rhymes in my language (Slovan).

[sweet wigeon]

I have created interesting house song with perkuse I'd like to publish this but is there some free online service to master the noise and make the tics sound better. I cannot describe the sounds which I need to emphasize from the percuse, its like cans and hihat (closed). But there is too noise, and the cans and hihats is too indistinct. I am looking for servise which will not require my credit card on sign up. Just free.

[sweet wigeon]

Good point please send this to suggestion...

[stiff sable]

why dont you just use the custom mode for specifically "jazz" style?

the Generate Lyrics box does exactly the same as auto-generating lyrics from simple mode does!

[sweet wigeon]

the nihongo song is missing correct accent in japanese.

[naive quail]

I've yet to see Suno respond to tagged instructions like that in a predictable/repeatable manner. I do think that Suno tries to do something with some of it; just usually not what we're expecting. Adding symbols/characters to the mix is much the same. In my mind, it's all just Prompt Noise. Having said that, I use Prompt Noise all the time... it can result is some interesting and wild tracks.

Here's a remix https://suno.com/song/6f393b1a-0890-4e67-9905-fa65f14caf6a

[charred merlin]

To further that point, it’s made even more difficult because the “command prompts” often work as “thematic prompt decorations”

Like saying “<[bpm:200]>” can suggest that the song should be fast or speed up, but it doesn’t act as a dial so we can necessarily choose the bpm.

You use prompt noise / prompt decoration pretty frequently, both in the [metatags] and style prompts, so I value your opinion on the matter — similarly to Stable Diffusion, we’ve done a lot of experimentation seeing how a single prompt decoration can “randomize” or influence a generation based on how thematically weighted it is.

[naive quail]

One other thing that I've noticed, but haven't specifically tested, is that it ***seems *** like the more conversational or potentially lyrical the descriptors are within tags, the more likely it is that Suno will break out in to song with them, especially on the longer generations.

[charred merlin]

That has been a thing since v2, but it's easy enough to get carried away with tags/styles, and I believe(?) that I've seen instances where shorter style-prompts have been read out as lyrics.

[naive quail]

I had some interesting results when I removed the lyrical noise block, leaving Suno with nothing but the tags. This one is close to what it sounds like in the room when I'm watching the television with headphones on and a guitar on my lap https://suno.com/song/8b9f4394-eed9-41ae-99c9-c26833faf4f3 - even that opening drum hit could be from the tv room, as there are bongos within arm's reach

[naive quail]

Yeah, I've had that happen a lot with "Aggressive" when there are only one or two other descriptors

perfect instrumental f'd up by some dude shouting AGGRESSIVE!!!

[charred merlin]

You're just intentionally trying to confuse Suno with these metatags now -- watch your utter horror unfold when v6 actually nails all of these requests somehow

[naive quail]

hahah