📚┃suno-school

[untold briar]

Try a short lyrics prompt (0 to 3 lines) and [outro] or [fade out] -- but it is somewhat a matter of luck to get good ending

[crystal tapir]

Where do I put outro

[untold briar]

In the lyrics field. you can also use [intro], [chorus], [verse], in lyrics

[crystal tapir]

[Outro]
So, my love, hold on tight,
Together we'll make it, through the darkest night,
I'll always love you, through thick and thin,
In your rough times, our love will always win.

Like that?

[untold briar]

Put [outro] after the lyrics, and use less lines, 4 might be too much. Even 0 lyrics is best sometimes, just [outro] alone. However sometimes outro in front can work -- not a strict rule.

But for chorus and verse, use like that

[crystal tapir]

So, my love, hold on tight,
Together we'll make it, through the darkest night,
I'll always love you, through thick and thin,
In your rough times, our love will always win. [Outro]

Like that?

[untold briar]

Close, put it on a line by itself, and also add an empty line after the lyrics. And if it doesn't work, then try using only 2 lines of lyrics intead of 4, then try with 0 lines of lyrics. You can also try both, for example

So, my love, hold on tight,
Together we'll make it, through the darkest night,
I'll always love you, through thick and thin,
In your rough times, our love will always win. 

[Outro]
[fade out]

Overall getting endings is tricky. If you search discord for [outro] you can find examples

[crystal tapir]

How do I do that

I cut it down to two lines and then gonna do the last two lines

[untold briar]

just search the word 'outro' in desktop discord, search on top right. not sure on mobile but should be somewhere. many chirp samples are in the public chirp rooms so you can look at what other people did and see what works or doesn't work, and get ideas

[crystal tapir]

And what did you mean by try with zero lines of lyrics? What would happen? Just a closing “song” sorry of?

[untold briar]

The idea with no lyrics is the song has no more singing, just the music continues to an ending

[crystal tapir]

Oh! Nice! Thank you!

[untold briar]

But no matter what you have to be a little lucky to get a good ending. At least in this version. Endings (and intros) should be better in later versions though

[crystal tapir]

Good to know! My song for my BF is pretty solid though!!!

SUUUUUPER impressed!!!

[wise bough]

/chirp

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[foggy saddle]

/chirp

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[heavy plaza]

How do you write a song longer than 40 seconds

[graceful condor]

hello, is it possible to keep same music & same rythm than an existing song ?

and what are the existing styles ? because if I put "80's" he didn't find

[untold briar]

Continue button, then heart on last clip, see #⏩┃continuation message

[untold briar]

80s is probably too general, but 80s + other standard music like pop, rock, metal, etc, should be okay. No fixed list but generally the main genres should work better, and you can load up the style prompt with both general and specific ones to cover your bases and hedge a bit.

[untold briar]

maybe something like that in a future version but not now

[untold briar]

actually 80s doesn't work that badly if you just stack up a bunch of 80s. not the greatest music though, more descriptive style prompt would be better

[neat nexus]

Reminds me of the ones on Bojack Horseman for time periods:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlfK51tN-xo

Like I said, I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I was just frustrated at the moment. I like what I get a lot of the time with Chirp, it's just so frustrating to have gotten good results and then be later staring at the thing and wondering how the heck it worked the last time and why it's not working now.

I'm trying to learn to see each song as a journey to somewhere new.

[neat nexus]

So what exactly does it mean when you use tags and they combine?

(Sharing the chirp because even though I don't want to use it and there were no vocals, that's an awesome sax...)

[light ether]

That's actually just for the video to make more stuff fit. under the hood the model is respecting the text you put (newlines etc)

[neat nexus]

So it's not actually a positive or a negative, it's just a formatting for space thing?

I got the idea in my head that sometimes it meant that the tags that combined were official but undocumented tags. 😏

[neat nexus]

Sorry, you start siezing on every little thing after a while to try to figure this stuff out. 😅

[heavy plaza]

How do you make it's male or female voice?

[open magnet]

try 'male vocals' in the description

doesn't always work but helps

[gritty cradle]

my credit are over now wht to do ?

[neat nexus]

💸

⏳

Those are the choices.

[lavish cedar]

yo @versed valley said he flagged my tune and wont he wont give it me.

[open magnet]

try different lyrics and try keeping it as pg as possible for the filters to not flag it

[civic blaze]

can someone tell me how to get the dialog box to come up to generate a song. When i type /chirp in the message bot , nothing happens.

[heady dagger]

I found instead of saying generic music genres. You're much better off saying the instruments and type. Chat GPT is pretty good at giving you prompts for detailing music genres in better broken down prompt ways.

[heady dagger]

you get 25 free chirps every month!

But, it's only ten dollars a month for 100 more chirps a month!

[heady dagger]

I think the most common issue done here is you aren't typing /chirp in the right channel. Go to #🐣┃chirp-beta-3 or DM /chirp to the @versed valley directly.

[civic blaze]

Found the issue. I wasn't hitting enter twice. when I hit it twice, it came right up. thank you for responding.

[daring lava]

Glad you got it figured out 🙂

[knotty kite]

We can’t say KISS? -_-

[neat nexus]

I could before...I think...

[red mauve]

damn... i'm stupid... well, mostly new here, hehe... i can't seem to grasp the lower half of "add /chirp bot to server" image you posted. where do i get this black panel with "add to server" button ? 🤪

[untold briar]

You can put both in the prompt together too, genre, instruments, and even general descriptions like sad or happy. using chatgpt to get a nice detailed description is a good workflow for sure.

[untold briar]

You click on the bot itself. It may look different on mobile. If you have a Discord server looks like this. (Just setup a test to confirm right now)

[broken lotus]

Which do your use / think works better:

[Male Vocal]
[Male Voice]
[Male Singer]

[untold briar]

what about brute force Male, Male, Male, Male, Male, Male, Male, Male, Male - though it may have side effects on the music output... but 8/8 singer gender match testing just now

[broken lotus]

🤔 that 2nd clip is a male voice?

[untold briar]

second clip is Female, Female, etc.. did 4 of each and all 8 clips matched.

[broken lotus]

OH! (der) i though the visual was the same, and didn't even notice it was 2 different clips 😓

(but actually I was asking about Voice, Vocal, or Singer....

(but yeah, gender is a very common question)

But brute forcing anything ... hmmm. I will try next time Chirpbot is stubborn

[broken lotus]

😅 it did what it wanted anyway...

[neat nexus]

Yeah, AI can be like that.

[red mauve]

ha! now, now... thx! 😍

[stone dagger]

Chirp is surprisingly bad in creating "chillhouse" generations: the voice is always terrible

#🐣┃chirp-beta-6 message

I tried 3 times...

#🐣┃chirp-beta-6 message

#🐣┃chirp-beta-6 message

[neat nexus]

Have you compared it to other styles? Right now I'm getting a horrible hiss in my voices and I don't know how to fix it.

Wondering if we hit a bug?

...

Some of the music was really on point too, so I get why you got frustrated.

[neat nexus]

....

Changing the subject, how do we feel about cover songs?

This is the first time I've done one.

Basically after beating my head against the wall I started playing with good lyrics rather than my doggeral to see if I could at least get a song today. So far everything I've done has been crud today.

Meh...That hiss is back. 😦

I'm pitching the effort.

But for future reference?

[neat nexus]

Giving some lyrics from ChatGPT a try. At least I know there's no entanglements there.

[boreal vessel]

/Chirp

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[neat nexus]

...damn,,,,I'm going to need a new virtual group again, aren't I?

[frank isle]

My friend sent me a song made with chirp and I wanted to continue it myself, but they generated it in DMs. Is there a way for me to continue it by, like, getting the seed or something?

[untold briar]

Not in current version. Unless you can add somebody else to a DM and make it a group DM? I'm actually not sure if that is a feature in Discord. But in future you can add Chirp Bot to your own Discord so you can both see the private gens and continue each other's outputs

[frank isle]

I see. That's a shame

Is there a time limit to continue a song?

[untold briar]

There's no maximum limit but it's often hard to stay consistent for more than 2 or 3 minutes, and sometimes audio quality has issues the longer you go. Not always there's a 17 minute song somebody posted today, but often people have trouble going longer than that and staying high quality.

[frank isle]

I got lucky and generated a really good song that everything after it has been bad

So damn

Also what happens if I try to continue a song that hasn't finished singing the lyrics, like it got cut midway? Can I make it finish it?

[untold briar]

You can try, but if it cut off at a really awkward place, like right in the middle of the word, it's usually very hard to get a smooth connection. But if the break is a little more natural, at a place where the singer pauses anyway, it can work.

[frank isle]

Aw :(

Maybe in a year or two this tool will be a lot better

[untold briar]

Maybe sooner than that...

If the song cuts off at end of a line of lyrics, then usually it works well to finish it

[frank isle]

Tbh making it more accessible would be better, like a more efficient algorithm that would allow free tier people to make more songs a month

A lot of it boils down to regenerating a single song until you get it good so it takes a lot of uses

[untold briar]

Yeah. One way to be efficient with credits is to browse the chirp public channels, and start your song as a continue instead, picking somebody else's sample you already really like.

[frank isle]

Alright. I guess I could cut off the rest after I finish it

[stone dagger]

Sorry, I had to leave the house after I wrote that message. I will try now, a bug is totally possible

[stone dagger]

I always give lyrics from GPT, I like creating something completely new

[stone dagger]

I actually have some idea of fine-tuning GPT-3.5 with a bunch of song lyrics, and se what comes out. I figured out even GPT-4 is actually very bad in writing lyrics, they always come out more like perfectly rhyming nursery rhymes, instead of actual songs, too perfect and meaningless

and it's very difficult to make it NOT rhyme or to make some less-than-perfect rhymes. I want to see if fine tuning gives me better results

[subtle terrace]

/chirp

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[neat nexus]

I've been writing my own lyrics mostly, up to now. Oh I've been ChatGPT inspired don't get me wrong. I've asked for lyrics from it. But I didn't leave them the same. I sat there and rewrote them and tweaked them until they were mine up to this most recent one.

Even then, I don't usually follow the pattern it gives when seeking inspiration. I'll take those six verses and do them out of order, I'll rewrite so that instead of six short verses I have two or three longer ones. Stuff like that.

[neat nexus]

This is another thing--how many rhymes is too many rhymes? I hear this a lot and it stumps me a bit because I actively try to put more rhymes in when I can to give things a better rhythmic flow.

It's funny, every once in a while I'll find myself looking at lyrics and being shocked at how little rhyming there is. Always seems like there was more when I remember it.

My biggest trouble seems to be the choruses. I can generally develop some lyrics and string them together. Getting the tones right for a chorus and returning to the voice in the lyrics and being able to continue from there without the whole thing de-evolving on me is hard. All too often it seems like what I thought was a great chorus just falls apart after listening.

[steady linden]

Hey there, is there a way to effectively force the system to have a woman's voice ?
I'm over 10 tries with ONLY male voices
Tried "girl voice" at the end of the style prompt, at the beginning of the lyrics prompt I tried : [Girl] or [Girl Voice] but nothing seems to change something

[broken lotus]

see this advice: #📚┃suno-school message

[frank isle]

Is it possible to have the AI have the style of a specific singer or song?

[dusty nova]

how i see my credits to use Chirp?

[paper crest]

Is accapella a viable style? I want to avoid the backing tracks. But I also want to sing in a specific genre typically. Do I have to separate the vocals with 3rd party?

[unique dome]

The model doesn’t recognize specific artists, but you can describe their styles in the first field in /chirp command's pop-up: Describe the Type of Music field

[unique dome]

You can use the /info command, which doesn't appear to work in this channel at the moment. We'll fix this.

In the meantime, you can use the /info command in other channels like #💬┃general-chat or view account details — including available credits — at https://app.suno.ai/account

[unique dome]

Yes, albeit with mixed results for the time being. Try typing 'accapella' or 'vocals only' in the Describe the Type of Music field! You can also search for accapella in the public generation channels like #🐣┃chirp-beta-1, #🐣┃chirp-beta-2, etc. for inspiration

[paper crest]

Yeah that's worked a treat. Have an amazing day very helpful nice person

[low cloak]

is there a way to use same seed as previous chirp, as in try to make generally identical chirp but make changes to lyrics?

[cloud vale]

/chirp

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[sturdy quiver]

Has the quality really gone to shit in the last 12 hours? everything i'm generating sounds like poor quality today

[tame fern]

How do I specify the language in which I want the voice to sing in?

[stone dagger]

That's a good point, about picking some lyrics and developing from there. My problem is "ain't nobody got time for that". Plus my brain is naturally attracted by the music way more than the meaning. So I basically never pay attention to the lyrics, only how they flow in the song. But of course I admire whoever can write compelling lyrics...

[stone dagger]

About this, sometimes I have luck by saying "Remove all the rhymes from the song". Due to the randomness of GPT, it doesn't work all the times, but sometimes it does, and it leaves just enough rhymes, way less perfect than before but more interesting

[stone dagger]

About this: I generate a few parts and I assemble them with BandLab Studio. It has a beat counter, so you can easily and precisely cut your generations at the right point and edit and mix them

So you basically generate the first part, then generate (hopefully!) an interesting chorus, then generate a second part directly as a continuation of the first one, then edit everything together

https://youtube.com/@stefanorivera8549?si=RVfVGKWensMmD8cn

Check here, these are the best things I generated. There's mostly editing and stereo effect, no other effects whatsoever. Only for one song (lost in space) I used a noise reduction effect and more echo.

[surreal relic]

/chirp

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[neat nexus]

I admit to having given some consideration to taking parts, stripping the music to get just the vocals and applying effects. Lost in Space is making me consider my consideration, I love those vocal effects!

When I can get Chirp to do it for me, I'm always estatic. Being able to just apply them myself would be a huge bonus.

[low cloak]

up: is there a way to use same seed as previous chirp, as in try to make generally identical chirp but make changes to lyrics?

[neat nexus]

Theoretically, wouldn't this be possible by just reusing a starting point after completing a song?

You'd have to be careful with how you worded stuff from the beginning to avoid drift and there is always a bit of a disce throw for it but theoretically I assume it should be possible as is.

[low cloak]

Do you mean that if I just continue the song with changed lyrics from the first part onwards? My problem is that I want to change words precisely from the first part, so I guess this idea doesn't work in this case.

[untold briar]

This is a feature that's been discussed as a possibility for future versions, but not in current version. But eventually they want to get something like this as a feature. Sometimes if you are very lucky then a regular song continue can be very consistent and almost work like this, but it's a roll of the dice and have to get fairly lucky. You can try tweaks like using small song chunks as the main part you continue from, less than 30 or 40 seconds, that may make it a bit more likely.

[untold briar]

You don't have to specify a language, you just use the language and it should sing in the right language.

[topaz willow]

Hello team, some of the Chirp is taking longer than usual or not generating at all. Just a heads-up.

[broken lotus]

I am seeing that also.

[neat nexus]

Can anyone give me some feedback on joining parts? I have a great chorus and I managed to go backwards for another set of verses but I can't seem to get that chorus to come in naturally when I try to join it. It's driving me crazy.

[topaz willow]

sometimes (Chorus) works better for me that [Chorus] - I can't be wrong but yeah lol

[neat nexus]

I guess I can go back again and try it.

I've done everything else.

Hate when stuff starts coming undone half way like this, especially when it seemed to be going so well to begin with.

[untold briar]

Maybe you could try continuing the segment you want to join with already generated chorus, but try to make a maximally 'connective' clip, maybe a very short, with a bit of break or pause in the music at the very end. I haven't tried this in Chirp so not sure it will make it join better in post, but something similar to that has been useful in Bark for me. Edit: Oh I may have misunderstood what you were trying to do. I thought you were joining the already existing chorus audio to later clips yourself, manually. So that's what I'm describing, if it's not clear.

[neat nexus]

Yeah, I am...here's the best that my meager skills could do in that regard. First join is at about 2:48 seconds in. Then the chorus comes in abou 3:45ish...

It's a noisy join though because the chorus is noisy. 😦

I accidentially a letter.

Ha! I noticed a spot that I missed before in the waveform that showed a good place to splice. I think I actually got it now!

[static wigeon]

hi I'm just asking if you have a solution for making an angry rap? a bit like scarlxrd? or some xxxtentacion scream rap, What style of sound should you use? THANKS

[untold briar]

Maybe things like Rage Rap, Scream Rap, Angry Rap, Trap, Rage, Angry, Rage, Rage, just tossed them all in so not sure what's actually working. (not too familiar with the music style actually so this may not be correct, but it IS angry, at least) #🐣┃chirp-beta-7 message

[static wigeon]

thks bro !

[untold briar]

I tried one with just a single two word prompt and it was rap but not angry, that's why I went overboard on that one and stacked up the Rage words. Probably better somewhere in between...

[static wigeon]

rage rap is working for me 😄 thks

i mix, rage rap and alternative rock to have what i want but is cool ! 😁

[stone dagger]

Well, I guess in a few months from now we will be able to control the generation much more than now. I see the need of editing as a fun inconvenience, rather than a feature. I'm a lazy person, I know...

[neat nexus]

I'm extremely sympathetic to that point of view. I consider it cheating. But sometimes its the only way that works.

[untold briar]

I feel this so much. I get overly obsessed with the idea of not cheating in every AI thing not just audio - just a real 100% genuine AI creation. And then tunnel vision on it and waste 10s of hours beating my head against a wall... lol. (Most recently trying to get Bark to compose a full song lyrics that make sense, which frankly I haven't given up on... it's too funny of an idea not to be done.)

[neat nexus]

Exactly. After a bit you have to ask yourself if you're letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

[untold briar]

That and my other obsession, a love of using "the wrong tool for the job" and it's a dangerous combo for destroying time. At one point I tried using Chirp to generate new Magic the Gathering cards, via unconditional lyrics-free continues. As you might expect it doesn't work... yet. Maybe in a bigger and better future Chirp... (It works a tiny tiny bit in Bark, but you can't get a legal playable deck or anything out of it and most 'new' card creations are extremely simply word swaps that mostly just repeat a line from the prompt.)

It was kind of funny though...

[neat nexus]

The fact it even came close...

[untold briar]

It should possible for real, some day... The better it gets at continuing audio, well, at some point the way to get better is to start spitting out lyrics with real cards... a momentous occasion for all those people (ie, me) waiting for the day they can play MTG decks generated by an AI music model.

[static wigeon]

@untold briar sorry for tagging you, idk if you know about this, i've a question :
Are there any special words (for style of song) ? words that will really impact the sound? Does the order matter?
I saw that there is already a big difference when we mark intro versus chorus bridge etc. but are there any hidden words? like easter eggs or something like that? thks

or maybe the Suno team idk

[neat nexus]

This is a good question.

For an instance, does it matter whether or not [Instrumental] comes before or after the instruments named?

[untold briar]

Order doesn't matter, for words separated by commas. (It matters for compound words though, like rock-pop would be different than pop-rock, maybe. That's just one word.) Order 100% matters in the LYRICS field for anything though.

[untold briar]

The answer is basically yes to Easter eggs, sort of. The words aren't hidden by the Suno team on purpose. It's just that the AI is trained, the AI sees a lot of things, and it learns a lot of stuff. Some of that stuff is put there on purpose by Suno devs, yes, but the AI also leans tosns of words and how to do things that nobody really put there on purpose -- it was just in the training data. So even Suno has to discover all the best words to use for Bark and Chirp by testing.

[static wigeon]

Okay thank you that can make a cool mix ^^ but I especially wanted to ask if there are words that are stronger than others, or special ones, is there a list of "secret" chirp words? x)

[untold briar]

Some words are 100% stronger than others. One thing you can do is repeat words. Like Country, EDM, EDM, EDM, if you want just a little country, but more EDM

Country in particular seems STRONG and overpowering

[static wigeon]

oh so cool discovery, it’s great!

that's work ? 😮

[static wigeon]

So it's possible to put the name of a singer and with a little luck that can give us something similar?

[untold briar]

Singer names specifically aren't in the music style field, though you can put some pretty strange things in there and it sometimes works a bit.

[static wigeon]

mmh ok thanks bro ! 💜

[normal iron]

/chirp

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[viral lotus]

@untold briar I'm trying to extend my song. I did two generations fine, but the third one keeps babbling random words. Am I doing something wrong?

[uneven mulch]

/CHIRP

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[low cloak]

is there a way to make chirp end a song with proper ending, not just cut abruptly?

[broken lotus]

What is the 'proper ending' that you want? I have used all of the below (not at the same time, and in a Continuation ⏩ clip with no other lyrics)

[End]
[Fade Out]
[Outro]
[Refrain]

(Refrain has lyrics)

Some work 'in-bot', and some repeat the music so you can fade out in an audio editor.

And being AI they are not 100% reliable.

[low cloak]

thanks, will try those!

[viral lotus]

I ran out of "Chirps" and would like to buy more, but when I try to access the payment screen, I am informed by Discord, "You need to verify your account in order to perform this action." I've had this account for a long time and I am already verified. (Just to make sure, I looked up instructions on line.) How can I pay for additional Chirps? I right in the middle of a hot #1 song for halloween.

[open magnet]

hm sry let me ask @light ether

[viral lotus]

I figured out it was because I didn't have a phone number linked to the account. It didn't tell me what the issue was, I just tried adding my phone number and it worked.

[viral lotus]

OK, technical problem with my song production: I used Verse-Chorus-Verse-Chorus-Bridge...

Now I need one more chorus and an outro. But the last Choruses I'm generating are starting to go off the rails. Is there any fix for this?

[neat nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/steely-dan-gif-14267876810067722943

Choruses for the ending of songs are hard.

[broken lotus]

no. the next clip can only look back at 10sec from the 'bridge' clip.

you might be able to use an audio editor to stitch various takes together (kinda depends on the audio).
you could go back to a Continue point that gave you a good chorus, and regenerate your 3rd chorus from there. It will still be different (because AI) but the sound quality and beats will be from the earlier part of the song.

[viral lotus]

OK, that's a good idea, thanX.

[viral lotus]

What exactly do you mean about looking back 10s? Is that from specifically the bridge, or does it have to do with the number of generations, or???

[neat nexus]

You can also get some good results with the tools here:
https://vocalremover.org/

[neat nexus]

The context window is about ten seconds long. So to get the continuity the AI looks back ten seconds. When if it's your bridge that's what it's 'remembering' to use as a guide for the next segment.

[viral lotus]

OK ThanX @neat nexus . I'm probably going to play around with substituting other ai singers for some of these tracks as well.

[broken lotus]

(just to add)

the 1st clip has a max of 40sec... this seems to be a hard limit to how much the AI can currently process in 1 chirp.

Continuation works by sampling 10sec from the previous clip, hence Continuations are limited to 30sec
(10 + 30 = 40sec)

[neat nexus]

If you're going to edit stuff together any way, it may be worth going to an earlier junction of the song and trying to continue from there as well, to give the later edit better continuity. As well as fiddling with the continuity of the bridge itself. It's an adventure in an unmapped country. So you're going to have to play around and find the work flow that works best for you.

[viral lotus]

That's what wetcircuit suggested.

[viral lotus]

Then how does the chorus remain similar from chorus to chorus?

[neat nexus]

And it's good avice.

[viral lotus]

How can I post my song from one channel into the showcase channel?

[broken lotus]

just download it and then upload it.

[neat nexus]

Hahahaha....if you're always getting similiar choruses then you're doing better than I ever did. I had to fight for consistency in my choruses.

Sometimes things go easy but you'll find that's a gift.

[viral lotus]

I was happy with the second chorus; there was a little variation.

The third...well I'll post it and you can listen lol

But actually I kind of like the way the third chorus turned out

[broken lotus]

yeah, lol. I was gonna say, they are just 'similar' but it is totally a craps shoot
🎲 🎲

[viral lotus]

I posted it in showcase; give it a listen

[neat nexus]

I'll give it a look-see after I finish the one I'm currently in...

[broken lotus]

very fun!

[viral lotus]

First song lyrics I ever completed, and Lord knows I've tried over and over and over and...

[broken lotus]

😅 I seem to start out with a song idea, hear the music and change the direction of the lyrics, lol

And I'll have a whole page of lyrics – witch the AI ignores... 😅 but I like where the music goes so I just keep going...

[viral lotus]

What do you mean it ignores the lyrics?

[broken lotus]

The AI will straight up ignore a whole chirp of lyrics and do its own thing instead...

[viral lotus]

I had it do that to me on a previous song

Only had four lines entered.

Are you on a custom plan? I just bought 100 credits, but will probably get a larger plan. Just wondering how much they may be.

[broken lotus]

yeah, I subscribed.... and then I bought a bunch of additional tokens..., lol

[viral lotus]

Oh, after you subscribe, that's the price for more?

cool

[broken lotus]

yeah, these 'top up' are in a different category of 'extra tokens' that don't expire...

[viral lotus]

I'd like to do something like this with my songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEUu3heIJNY

@broken lotusHow many generations on average do you use to make a song, and what's your average song length?

[broken lotus]

If I have a specific lyrics idea in mind (like a diss-track/joke about some topic/ typical 'genre' song) it ends up really short, like my favorites are between 1min40sec to longest ~3min...

by 3min the vocal-quality has probably drifted so far away from the original, it's not really the same song.... And I realized there is no 'official' length for songs in 2023 (this isn't an LP or radio... it's the internet)

For instrumentals, I typically go longer, 4-6min, as long as the core sound is still there...

Stitched together in Garageband, my longest is over 8min (regen'd from an early chirp and made a whole new branch for the 2nd half of the song)

[viral lotus]

@broken lotus aha, thanX

Do you know if there are any full tutorials on making a good song with Chirp?

[broken lotus]

🤔 not really.... there's plenty of 'getting started' but... other than discussions here, based on trial and error....

probably the best teacher is trolling through other people's Suno videos in the https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1083129341870878780

seeing what they got, and didn't, from their prompts.... stealing their ideas (lol) and trying my own variation....

[neat nexus]

It's not bad. Seemed a little faster paced than what the lyrics were going for. In those cases I try to spread out my word count and do multiple short verses to make it easier for the AI to get the rhythm I'm going for instead of "hurrying" to get through the whole lyrics in the forty seconds or less it has to work with.

[neat nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/copyright-youtube-umg-video-content-gif-26459080

[brisk halo]

/chirp

[tall orbit]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

Go to the #🐣┃chirp-beta-1 channel to use the /chirp command, and check out the #🐣┃how-to-chirp channel for step-by-step instructions for making music using Chirp on Discord.

[flat mountain]

My songs cut off at 40s. Is that the limit for free chirps, and if so, how do I upgrade? Thanks

[untold briar]

Upgrading gives you more credits/commercial-rights but song lengths are the same. You build a longer song out of smaller clips, hit the continue emoji, add a new section (30s more) and then the heart to save the full clip: #⏩┃continuation message

[flat mountain]

@untold briarThanks

[flat mountain]

How can I put a guitar solo in my metal song? Can't find any prompt that works

[broken lotus]

Here are 2 examples when it worked for me....

(worth noting the 2nd clip in these chirps did not do the guitar, and the lyrics aren't exactly working here either)

[flat mountain]

@broken lotus thanks, so, you just put [lead guitar riff] in the lyrics section? After a [chorus], I tried [guitar solo] [instrumental break] etc. but it just cuts out.

[broken lotus]

agree there is some sort of (weirdness or just chance) with whether the prompt leads to a full instrumental clip or a cut short 3sec "I'm done!"

It's why I mentioned the other clips in these 2 chirps didn't do the thing I wanted... 🙁

I've also seen (someone else's) really simple prompt that just says the name of the instrument, nothing else.... (that didn't work for me, but worked for him...)

[flat mountain]

@broken lotus thanks, I'll keep trying 🙂

[broken lotus]

Jonathan Fry has a technique where he just spams the genre text field with the intended thing...

I tried this with specific instruments, and it usually worked (a la: "Piano, Piano, Piano, Piano, Piano, Piano, ..."

And let it come in where it decides...

[frank isle]

What are the list of all the terms you can use in the lyrics, like stuff you put in between []

For example, what if I wanna do a build-up in one prompt and a beat drop in the continuation?

[viral lotus]

Wow! HUGE news with the expanded credits and subscriptions!

I was just trying to figure out how to pay for my new obsession. Now I can buy a yearly plan!

1000 chirps per month!

[daring lava]

The cool is just beginning friend 🙂 Sooo many awesome things to look forward to. Very early days here

[viral lotus]

To do an instrumental break, I assume it's: [instrumental] all by itself in the lyrics?

Why did I get only two-second (silent) generations for one of my chirps? For this prompt, it was the second Chorus. For the second Pre-Chorus, I went back and generated it off Verse 1, which I had already continued. Does that make a difference?

[daring lava]

Two things come to mind for this:
(A) if you want the entire next generation to switch to an instrumental you should be able to just add the genre you are using + instrumental break to the “pick a genre” section but adding an additional [instrumental break] to the lyrics section won’t hurt as shown in the attached image

(B) if you are trying to do a beat break into more vocals I would suggest keeping the genre section exactly the same and in the lyric section add [instrumental break], then skip a line and then add your next lyrics

Hope this helps 🙂

[daring lava]

Could you provide a screenshot of what only produced 2 seconds, maybe I can help with that too

[viral lotus]

@daring lava Not quite sure what type of screen shot/info to include, but this is in "chirp-beta-7" about four or five generations up.

Thank you very much for your help! I'm heading to grab some dinner. Be back in 45 minutes.

[untold briar]

Try [chorus]on its own line, instead of Chorus: -- could be the empty space after the : is confusing it, looks a bit like a script/musical/opera perhaps CharacterName: Song Line but then it's empty space

[frank isle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160025832341913640/1161498510160564314/chirp.mp4

I can't get my second clip to be like the first one

The first four lines were so good

I wanted to do it like that on the chorus but I don't know how to make it do that

[viral lotus]

Can Chirp accept genres including decades? For example, [80's Pop] [60's Rock] [90's R&B]? What about more obscure: [70's Merengue] [2000's Folk]?

[untold briar]

In my experience it does somewhat work. I think when I tried it was just "80s pop" no ' but not sure. I often kind of just spam keywords '80s pop, pop, 80s, 80s, 80s pop, eighties pop, 1980s if the simple version doesn't work, and often THEN you can get it.

Not sure about 2000s Folk, I think "80s SomeThing" was what I actually tried, and my guess is 80s is more strongly promptable than 2000s.

[viral lotus]

I just regenerated the clip using your suggestions, and it still generated two empty two-second clips.

[untold briar]

I listened to previous clip and pretty interesting case I think. The way the singer sings that last line of lyrics has the feel of the very end of a song, doesn't it? Especially that "To light the way" really feels like an ending to me

So I think the AI is starting off the next clip sort of in frame of mind of like "I just sung the last line of lyrics of a song" and so it decides to just stop singing. But stopping is not a fixed thing, it's a percent change in these models.

So you might have to add extra lyrics in front of Chorus, and kind of hope to get a roll of the dice where it keeps going.

[daring lava]

Glad to see it worked out #🐣┃chirp-beta-7 message I guess this ai stuff sure can work like us, sometimes you gotta tell them two or three times 😂

Btw cool song 👍

[viral lotus]

I generated it off a different clip

[daring lava]

Yea, but you made it work 👍 Very early days here, but again, good job working it out to continue your flow

[untold briar]

Yeah the clip is at a perfect stop, as if the last second of audio is the sound of the singer putting her microphone down on the table. So Chirp is like, okay, we're done.

A future Chirp could probably rescue this (for example a feature to force a minimum length on the output, or maybe even just turning up the 'temperature' could do it) but for now it's probably beyond reach without burning all your credits for a 1% roll.

[viral lotus]

If I generate the second chorus off the first chorus, will it be more likely to follow the first chorus' pattern?

[untold briar]

If it's within the last 10 seconds of audio, yeah.

[untold briar]

Also I rolled it and got a continue #🐣┃chirp-beta-7 message

So not 1%, more like 5% of not stopping on that clip. It did add a huge pause bit it DID finally sing.

[viral lotus]

I just saw that. What was with "country"?

[untold briar]

That was just me throwing out ideas, I'm not sure if it is related to it not stopping though. Only 1 of the 2 clips didn't stop so could just be a coincidence. I am curious but not so curious to try 10 more times.

[strong quartz]

Is there any particular difference in generation style of beta - 1/2/3......

I mean, has anyone noticed any difference

[untold briar]

Exactly the same, just to handle volume of messages using separate rooms. Maybe in future some fun rooms that are different though.

[strong quartz]

Thanks Jonathan

Has anyone tried [Interlude]

[viral lotus]

This song's going to be a nightmare to piece together. I've got it strewn out for miles on the channel, changing where I start my generation and which section I'm generating. Assuming I can find all the pieces, then I need to generate subsequent clips for those that have been cut off.

I made my own server to generate subsequent songs, but I liked this one too much to leave it stranded.

[viral lotus]

I guess I can edit these in Davinci Resolve...I need to learn that now for my YouTube channel anyway...

[untold briar]

Don't update Davinci to 8.6, if you haven't. The audio is super buggy, almost unusable. Though there is a patch today... maybe it's fixed. Maybe.

[viral lotus]

I haven't d/l it yet

Should have done that today, but had too much fun Chirping 🙂

OK, now I got my whole song generated...just a matter of finding all the clips

[untold briar]

You can also find clips on https://app.suno.ai/ though it's fairly barebones at the moment, not necessarily easier than Discord searches

[viral lotus]

aha I forgot about that, thank you. Saw that earlier today.

haha that's harder than through discord with so many clips

[viral lotus]

@untold briarHow can I complete this clip? 2 1/2 words got cut off.

[untold briar]

Can you link the exact clip?

It may not be easy to complete if it cut off mid-word. But if it cut off at pause, then maybe you can continue it with the remaining words. But sometimes it doesn't join up correctly.

There a lot of ideas for future Chirp features, so at some point hopefully it is easier to do a tiny fix, like 'inpainting' an image, just one section, you could maybe redo just the last line of lyrics. But that's for the future and for Suno to make actually work. So it could be that you have to just redo that entire segment (recontinue it from prev) and get one that does finish.

[viral lotus]

It cut off in the middle of a word

I'll probably generate one and splice the last three words

[lapis flicker]

chirp

[unique dome]

You can also work in your DMs if that's easier!

https://suno.ai/docs/dms

[unique dome]

Hey 👋 Go to #🐣┃how-to-chirp to learn how to use the /chirp command, then make your first song in #🐣┃chirp-beta-1

[neat nexus]

So I got frustrated that Chirp completely disregarded a line in the song but as I listen to it the more I wonder if it works better without that line?

Still annoying but sometimes there are happy little accidents?

[daring lava]

Bob Ross mentality 💪

[neat nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-doe-deer-gif-10347126

That feel when you realize it is the steel guitars that are making the hissing sound...

Ugh. I thought they were getting me the sounds I liked, instead turns out they may be the source of the noise I'm trying to be free of...

https://tenor.com/view/steely-dan-gif-14267876810067722943

[neat nexus]

Oh wow. Restarting was absolutely the best thing I could have done here. So much better this time!

[broken lotus]

I am stuck in a jazz piano solo that won't END!

Chirp:

[neat nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/feels-feel-i-know-that-feel-feel-with-it-hugs-gif-5686290

I know that feel.

[viral lotus]

I was working in DMs for a while, but for some unsmart reason decided to do a couple publicly. These turned out to be my best efforts yet, but it was difficult tracking down all of the correct versions.

[empty kestrel]

Pretty common question here - Can I run chirp on a 4gb 1650?

[broken lotus]

Chirp is Discord-only

[empty kestrel]

F

Guess Ill stick with musicgen then

[graceful condor]

musicgen is nice but can it do lyrics ? chirp is pretty awesome for what it does. will they add options for longer songs and etc in the future i hope?

[daring lava]

You can make longer songs now 🙂 check out #⏩┃continuation to learn how

[chrome mango]

how do you do instrumental only? Maybe I overlooked somewhere..

[daring lava]

Hey @chrome mango welcome to Suno! In the describe the music section just add instrumental or beat or something similar alongside the genre of your choice. Leave the lyrics section blank. If you bump into any issues after trying, let us know here and we will help better-refine your prompt to help capture what you are looking for 🙂

[graceful condor]

hmm what dataset is chirp based on?

The music sounds amazing clean

but the text to speech is the flabbergasting part

[broken lotus]

have a play with https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1108425425199308882
it's pretty crazy...

[graceful condor]

no

I mean for chirp

The lyrics-to-speech sounds amazing

[neat nexus]

Has anyone ever been successful at getting anything Enigma like out of Chirp? Or even Gregorian adjacent?

[broken lotus]

without actual lyrics...? no.
Had a few un-prompted satanic sounding chants...

[neat nexus]

Nah, I meant with lyrics and gregorian type chants and so on...

I keep getting close then it fights me. 😦

[broken lotus]

interested in hearing a bit of how close you got...

[neat nexus]

It starts out really slow. Think Mea Culpa.

And it just dies there.

Subsequent attempts to goose it along are rendering silence.

So the only way forward will likely be to give up on the excellent chorus and try again. 😦

Or see what I can do with editing?

Majority of verses (and English translation) found here: https://www.prayinglatin.com/divine-praises-adoration/#TeDeum

[broken lotus]

🤔 pretty sure the original Enigma tracks were all editing....

[neat nexus]

Oh yeah.

Those would have to be.

But that was over thirty years ago, surely with Chirp we can do better today?

Also...

🧓

Just realized that that was thirty years ago...

[broken lotus]

yeah Chirp hasn't given me a single Whitney Houston vocal yet, and I even looked up the word 'melismatic'. What gives?

[neat nexus]

Looks like it's Steely Dan time...You go back, Jack and do it again....

The intro is a bit long any way.

And I want to see what I can do with groans and 'Ohhhhhhhhhhh'

[broken lotus]

'unng ooff bahh urff'....

[neat nexus]

May I quote you on that? 😉

[broken lotus]

I spent like 40min trying to get local LLM and then chatgpt to come up with scat vocalizations... bebop vocals, nonsense syllables.... (unsuccessfully)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suafkk2vWNI

[broken lotus]

that's amazing!

can I ask the full genre prompt?

[neat nexus]

That one? It's the second result using this for style: Gregorian Chant, male vocals, chant

Argh. Now it won't give me music. Just vocals.

[broken lotus]

thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou
thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou

[neat nexus]

I see it worked out better for you than it did for me.

[broken lotus]

you are too picky, lol

I let it go on a journey.... from arabia to bollywood with a detour through hollywood-celtic... lol 🌍

[neat nexus]

I'm starting to wonder if that's part of my issue, also if I need to stop trying to write stuff ahead of time.

I seem to get really good results when I just 'doodle' and let things go where they will. When I try to force structure on it, that's when I tend to have issues a lot, I've noticed. Because in the writing I've got an image in my head.

[broken lotus]

💯 👆

None of my songs end up matching their initial lyrics lol 😭

and I'll regenerate if both clips show Chirp wasn't done with that section... try to write new lyrics that fit.

Also that above song was a lesson in breaking up words to get the AI to speed up or slow down...

and I let it ad lib a lot, lol.... But it's Ancient Sumerian translated phonetically. No Latin scholars are going to get mad at me....

[neat nexus]

My Italian friend on a different Discord really didn't like how the AI pronounced its latin. LOL so yeah, it's a thing.

[tiny arrow]

/chirp

[tall orbit]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

Go to the #🐣┃chirp-beta-1 channel to use the /chirp command, and check out the #🐣┃how-to-chirp channel for step-by-step instructions for making music using Chirp on Discord.

[light ether]

This is wild!

[light flare]

oh wow if it wasnt for your reply i may have missed it. ideas like that I sure hope vocaloid songs come back in style. i used to listen to Crystal Castles - Kept all the time

as in jibberish samples pronouncing something that resembles words but not

[tawny kiln]

Does anyone know if its possible to only have acapella voice from chirp ?

[broken lotus]

yes. use 'acapella' in the genre description.

[tawny kiln]

Thx for your reply. I tried but its doesnt work. Maybe because i try to have "scream" or "metalcore" acapella ?

[broken lotus]

I have not got a scream to work in Chirp.... 🚫 😱

Prompting a genre that does NOT normally do acapella, and instead has a very distinct (overused) voice that it considers appropriate for that genre, is sending competing prompts to the AI.

Maybe instead of "metalcore acapella" (notice which word is first?)... try describing the quality of the voice (angry shouting etc) ...

Or try "metalcore as acapella"..., "metalcore but acapella"... I do this with instruments: "Funk but tribal instruments" and it works...

I hit a similar issue with trying to have a female singer in hard rock.... I couldn't get around the AI's bias...

(it just gave me a falsetto male voice)

[tawny kiln]

Very interesting ! I was not sure about the prompt, according i was completly impressed by the song quality generating a metalcore one. So if i try "angry shouting 165bpm" with my lyrics, you think it works ? 'Cause i never used "metalcore as acapella" which seems too interesting.

[broken lotus]

😬 🤷‍♀️
I mean..., I haven't tried these specific things.... so... It's just a suggestion...?

[tawny kiln]

Oh alright i see. Well i went to be sure because as i have a free account i dont want spend all my credit (ahah). I have a serious project to do if it works :p, but thx for help, im gonna try your suggestion

[broken lotus]

If it works, let us know! 😃
(or update if you discover a good trick)

[tawny kiln]

I sent an email to support yesterday for this information. I ll post there once they replied

[neat nexus]

::sigh::

It's amazing how nice stuff started flowing again, once I gave up writing BS and started being real....

[neat nexus]

Anyone have suggestions on how to calm the AI down again? I've tried my usual [tempo shift] and it does nothing.

[broken lotus]

Slow, Slow, Slow Slow...
?

[neat nexus]

If this next one doesn't work, I'll try that. Thanks.

[neat nexus]

Sadly that didn't do much to turn down the heat.

I thought I had some luck with [backbeat] [instrumental] but not sure how much it helped really.

[broken lotus]

I don't think 'backbeat' is the right word...

[broken lotus]

found this discussion:

https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/78320/what-terms-are-there-for-changes-in-tempo

[neat nexus]

I guess I need to get Ritardando? 🤌

Here's my WiP and you can see where I'm having issues...

[broken lotus]

ok, well one advantage is the singer hasn't started yet..., so I would spend a 'chirp' slowing down during the instrumental...

[Percussion breakdown]
[Break]
[Italian R-word]
...
even bringing the song to a near still before bringing it back up...? (song will probably completely change in that transition)

[neat nexus]

Ritardando did exactly what I wanted it to do. Now let's see if I keep the voice for the next verse.

See this is what is nice about Chirp, even if I don't know the musical words, it does.

So once I find the right words, it unlocks things.

[broken lotus]

Italians are to music what the French are to underwear.... When all the words are in 1 language, they were the people who invented it, and actually used it....

[broken lotus]

😓 should have studied Italian in hs...

[neat nexus]

Man it just hates this song. Every generation is now barelt 12 seconds...

[broken lotus]

Add more lyrics?

[neat nexus]

That doesn't help when it's wildly interpreting the voice when I do that. Will try nonsense sounds to see if it helps.

[broken lotus]

When I'm trying for length... tbh... I just start previewing the last 10sec of the clip... since that's what matters for the next continuation...

[neat nexus]

I've been getting four seconds if I'm lucky. Just had a brainstorm though, waiting for generation on it.

[broken lotus]

(as in, 'is the voice still coherent in the last 10sec, without buzzing or ringing or sampler noise')

[neat nexus]

Well the brainstorm didn't pan out. I tried [scat] to see if it would do anything. No luck.

Not sure if it might actually work with some different wording or not. Was an idea.

Maybe [vocal scatting] might work on some other attempt?

[broken lotus]

oh yeah... no scat.

[Ad Lib] sometimes works, but nothing beats a big text file of Ancient Sumerian for slapping down those groovy rhymes mid-line....

[neat nexus]

I know about [adlib] or does it need to be spelled [ad lib] to work?

[broken lotus]

I spent half a day trying to arrive at 'bebop phrases'.... tried everything I could think of....

ChatGPT came up with nursery rhyme scat... LOL

Sure, here are 40 nonsense alliterative phrases for a bebop singer:

Bop-a-doo-wop
Fizz-fuzz-fizz
Goo-goo-ga-ga
Zip-zap-zoo
Jibber-jabber
Quirky-quack
Razzle-dazzle
Tickle-tackle
Yip-yap-yo
Boogie-woogie
Doodle-dandy
Hocus-pocus
Jive-jangle
Zig-zag-zig
Ding-dong-dell
Pitter-patter
Wobble-dobble
Rumble-tumble
Whirly-twirly
Zany-zigzag
Flim-flam-flum
Wobble-wabble
Fiddle-faddle
Twizzle-twazzle
Doozy-doo-doo
Ziggy-zag-zog
Tootle-tootle
Riffle-raffle
Quibble-quabble
Zipper-zapper
Whammy-wammy
Dribble-drabble
Snip-snap-snazz
Zippity-zappity
Quirky-qwerty
Wiggle-waggle
Doo-dah-dandy
Skibber-skrabble
Whirly-girly
Hubble-bubble

[neat nexus]

Damn. That's much better than my attempts...

I keep meaning to get back to this one some day too

[sudden jackal]

Hello

[neat nexus]

This is how an AI says 'I'm bored with you right now.'

Notice that there was nothing entered to make it do this but it started a slow fadeout.

See?

No commands used to do a fade.

Chirp just basically gave me the raspberry.

lulz

[neat nexus]

Well back in the vault it goes until it can be released...

Now I need to make something else to prove that I'm out of that slump.

Really bothered me that nothing was happening these past two days.

[viral lotus]

Does anyone have any idea how many users Chirp has currently?

[neat nexus]

Whoops wrong section...

[raven forum]

/chirp

[tall orbit]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

Go to the #🐣┃chirp-beta-1 channel to use the /chirp command, and check out the #🐣┃how-to-chirp channel for step-by-step instructions for making music using Chirp on Discord.

[safe sierra]

has anyone had problems getting the full song versions after liking a chirp, if the song is around 10 minutes or more? im out here vibing, lyrics flowing, song turnes in three different ideas, i follow them all till the end and cant get the song. it happened before, but i got them a day later, now its been a day and nothing. its ok if i have to wait it out, just not if i now have to stich together individual chirps trying to recreate.

more broadly, does me liking every step of the way guide the AI in any way, or should i leave the like for when the idea or a song is finnished?

[light flare]

sounds to me working as intended. you only get 10 chirps a day and thats counting test runs on stuff you dont thumbs up

[broken lotus]

yes, I have a few that I can't " ❤️ " at the end of a chain...

I can get a few Continues earlier, so there is some issue or cutoff

I don't think you are effecting it by " ❤️ " along the way.... But idk.

[broken lotus]

according to discord splash page....

[vale stirrup]

Hey guys how do I chirp with just the bot like in a PM so no one else can see my lyrics?

[broken lotus]

just DM the bot like it's a person, then you can chirp in private message.

[vale stirrup]

k ty

[devout frigate]

/chirp

[tall orbit]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

Go to the #🐣┃chirp-beta-1 channel to use the /chirp command, and check out the #🐣┃how-to-chirp channel for step-by-step instructions for making music using Chirp on Discord.

[viral lotus]

Okay, I guess I could have figured that out someday

[twilit ivy]

Certainly! Here's a revised version of your sentence:

How can I search for songs that have been created for me, including those created in the past?

[broken lotus]

SEARCH ...
MENTION: USER....

[spark oar]

Hi friends, I've got a problem. The issue is that it's coming up with lyrics I haven't written. What's the solution?

And it's using up my credits.

[inland osprey]

Hello
Does anyone know how to increase the duration of the song?

[graceful cliff]

see #⏩┃continuation

[inland osprey]

perfect, tks

[open magnet]

write 'instrumental' in the type field? what are you trying to get?

[spark oar]

a song with my own lyrics

[open magnet]

hm, then it should be fine. does it continue after yours end or just sing different lyrics?

[spark oar]

sing different lyrics before my own lyrics and sometimes dont sing my own lyrics at all

[spark oar]

if I write intrumental it will even delete my lyrics too NO?

[spark oar]

he sings different lyrics before my own lyrics and sometimes he doesn't sing my lyrics at all and makes up lyrics

[open magnet]

can you show me an example? is this english or different language?

[spark oar]

english yes

its a normal lyrics with rhyms

[open magnet]

strange, can you send an example?

[placid ermine]

Is it possible to download a gen in an actual audio file?

[neat nexus]

Not yet. Developers say it is a goal for the future.

[graceful cliff]

try ffmpeg -i filename.mp4 filename.mp3

[placid ermine]

I can convert to mp3 no problem, I was hoping for wav or flac

[hearty quail]

Just a tip for people who might not know: If your lyrics run long and get cut off midway due to duration limit, just repeat that verse in full via "continuation" and the ai should continue where it left off to finish singing the lyrics without repeating everything.

[marsh arrow]

Is it possible to download the vocals and music separately?

[broken lotus]

You'll need demuxing software like Ultimate Vocal Remover https://github.com/Anjok07/ultimatevocalremovergui

[odd talon]

is there a github for chirp

i love these music models that people are training

[indigo narwhal]

Is there a chirp bot to DM alike in midjourney?

[neat nexus]

Sure. Just DM this guy:

[marsh arrow]

Thanks! I've had decent luck with Moises on the Mac to extract vocals.

[graceful condor]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

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[terse creek]

hey

I need help

i wrote the whole lyrics but then it is only genearting 1st verse only

[open magnet]

#⏩┃continuation

[wanton rivet]

i use /chirp but it doesn't work

[timid blaze]

hey all, not exactly asking for trade secrets, here, but wondering what software is being used for chirp... I see there's a repo for bark but is there one for chirp?

[frozen ruin]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

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[frozen ruin]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

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[hollow mica]

When I type /Chirp and hit enter, I don't get a popup. Nothing happens in Chirp-beta-1

[broken lotus]

🤔 just type /
and a popup should happen with various commands... maybe it has to be all lowercase?

[light ether]

You may have to scroll down and accept the Terms of Service. If it's getting lost you can try in DM with @versed valley

[digital jungle]

I just bought a pro license for a year. Where do I go to see my added benefits and faster processing?

[untold briar]

Type /info

Well that shows credits, you don't have to do anything differently for the other stuff, rather, the bot just won't stop you when you would have capped out

[digital jungle]

I have the pro plan and it says active in manage accounts but showing free here

Priority generation queue

10 concurrent generations

[untold briar]

My guess is there's just a little bit of lag in Discord syncing up, if you just subbed

[digital jungle]

ok thx

[untold briar]

But message mc from Suno if it's not showing the accurate numbers after some time

[light ether]

hey checking in on this, DM me and we can get it sorted out (there's a chance you may have subbed on the web on a different Discord account?)

[light ether]

No problem, we'll switch it over for you to your main email. Standby! But I'm gonna delete your messages above so it doesnt show your emails

[gusty charm]

Hello,
Is there way to generate a video song from the lyrics?

[neat nexus]

So like....I don't know what this was but it had nothing to do with what I put in there. Is that even English?

[broken lotus]

is that a Continuation...?

Chirp: How about we make a Love Song instead?
🎵 mlenginubbofleazur–LOVE–ingrubnyfurkom...

[neat nexus]

Part of several attempts at a song. Not having much luck despite really loving some of what I was getting...

It starts off good then either noise creeps in or other issues.

Obviously these all start the same then diverge.

[broken lotus]

this chirp is cursed...

And I see the 2 first songs introduce jibberish singing at that same point...

[neat nexus]

Yeah, that was in part why I gave up on them after a bit. I kind of liked some of the gibberish though. It was alright when it kind of worked. I figure that since no one sees these videos but us, that it would just seem like scatting or adlibing.

I'm willing to go with the flow because sometimes it takes us to good places. This today though? Yeah this has been rough...

I still think there's some good stuff in there here and there though.

[neat nexus]

Wait that one? That specific section or just the whole song of that chirp? I kind of liked that section before it derailed.

[broken lotus]

that's the chirp that introduces noise and starts degrading the overall sound (in my flippant, uninvited opinion)

[neat nexus]

That's the most recent attempt.

They're named in order of attempts.

I have a whole folder I created for this series of failures called bad luck, where I went back to earlier parts to try to resume without the noise or other issues.

You're saying that segment there is where the noise is introduced in general?

So I went back up and took the other fork and will try from there. If I still can't do it I'll have to pitch this entire effort and start over.

So this is the other side of things. Some interesting stuff here. I stopped because I think I heard noise starting again.

With better phones on it's not as bad as I feared but it's there.

[broken lotus]

is NICE
(but singer flipped to female)

[neat nexus]

I noticed that but it was such a nice vocal I couldn't leave it alone.

[broken lotus]

agree

[neat nexus]

I suppose the solution is to cut the segment where the issue creeps in and do a completely new bridge instrumental.

[broken lotus]

here's an example where at 1:10 (3rd chirp) I used
👉 [Melodic Instrumental] 👈
and both versions were so good I extended each...

On BOTH songs, when I'd had enough and switched to
[Bass and Percussion Interlude]
which wrapped up each song satisfyingly....

[neat nexus]

Oh man...the one on the right....

swoons

I'm going to resume from before the issue and steal that melodic instrumental from you and see what it does.

[digital jungle]

Is there a way to have more control over the music or voice? I feel like I waste a lot of credits because I don't like what it gives me..

[scarlet forge]

actually yes. I managed to affect that by describing the voice in the genre

[neat nexus]

Well I think I'm giving up on this one. It has momemts. Some really nice moments. But I can't get it to turn back to the chorus. Either it renders it in hiss whisper or it ignores it, or just cuts itself at three seconds. I've spent enough tokens on this one I think. I'll save the lyrics for revisiting. I've had at least one or two good songs from doing that. But I think it's time to try something else.

I'll definitely remember the [Melodic Instrumental] for future use though.

[open magnet]

yeah the melodic instrumental sounds great!

[digital jungle]

I request Country, Garth Brooks and it gives me two female voices. I feel I'm wasting a lot of tokens trying to get the chirp to give me what I'm looking for. How do you get around that?

[broken lotus]

Chirp is deliberately NOT trained to use musician names or Band Names because Suno don't want to be a 'covers' app and get in legal trouble.

You need to describe the voice, something as simple as:

Male Vocals

in the Genre.
If it's stubborn (like you're fighting a genre bias), repeat the prompt a fe times:

Male vocals, Male vocals, Male vocals, Male vocals, Male vocals, Male vocals, etc

[scarlet forge]

as a follow up to the previous question, can we describe the style as particular influence, like Start Wars as opposed John Williams?

[digital jungle]

I asked for male vocals country, male vocals country and it gives me this...

[open magnet]

😆

we fixed the gender descriptions for the next model. it's kind of a crap shoot right now unfortunately

[drifting needle]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

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[normal plover]

/chirp

[flint haven]

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[little pumice]

/chirp

[flint haven]

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[little pumice]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

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[untold briar]

Might be an effect from the lack of comma after vocals. Maybe try male vocals, male, country, and don't be afraid to crank it up to something like male, male vocals, country, male, male, male

[orchid karma]

hmm it flags this for some reason:

style: german rap

lyrics: Frag mich weiterhin wen du hier wegboxt!!! Press dich mit paar' lines ausm' Tank-Top!!!

[untold briar]

The AI moderation isn't that great. Hopefully better in future. It's actually interpreting this as self harm instructions, somehow... I was curious. One way to make it work as add additional lyrics, seems to change the context, even with no changes to your original line:

Hey, ich bin neugierig! Frag mich weiterhin, wen du hier einlädst. Zeig mal, was du mit ein paar Zeilen hast! 
Frag mich weiterhin wen du hier wegboxt!!! Press dich mit paar' lines ausm' Tank-Top!!!

[orchid karma]

many thanks ❤️

is it by any chance using the Perspective API for profanity?

[untold briar]

Here's a funny fix, add two emojis:

🎵 Frag mich weiterhin wen du hier wegboxt!!! Press dich mit paar' lines ausm' Tank-Top!!! 😊

[orchid karma]

lol nice

[untold briar]

It's GPT/OpenAI they have a tool which does it. Not the most amazing accuracy especially in non English though 😄

[orchid karma]

i used Perspective API for some discord bot, but it's also not perfect, specially against the weirdos typing something p**o it fails hard

[untold briar]

I don't know if the emoji actually works for Chirp, I was testing on OpenAi directly, possibly those symbols are filtered out

[orchid karma]

maybe if instructing the AI somehow that it's for artistic purpose where moderate profanity/disses would be allowed or so? ^^

[untold briar]

Yeah I think that's a possible good choice for future improvement. If you ask ChatGPT 4 to analyze lyrics it's quite good. But much more expensive of course. Maybe 3.5 alone could be better, not sure.

[orchid karma]

maybe it just hates german language tho 😄

[untold briar]

Funnily enough I asked ChatGPT "Is there any way to interpret this German message like X and Y (the stuff it was flagged for) and it was like, well, it's a bit violent imagery, but basically no, seems like other AI screwed up. lol

[orchid karma]

haha

seems chirp struggles with text containing emojis, or the text is just too short, or german is the problem ^^

[untold briar]

Same as Bark. Very short inputs often have high chance of problems. I think it's simply because most of what the AI sees during training is longer audio clips, it's kind of an edge case.

But for moderation, also true I suppose, because less content = less context. Adding one extra line of German did make the basic mod AI no longer see original line as self harm. Maybe it's similar.

[orchid karma]

^^

thought the style maybe was the problem so i tried to see if this marks it maybe if it's also weird context, but works with the random sentence in lyrics now anyway

many thanks ❤️

[untold briar]

I clicked your profile and went to your github to follow and I already follow you... did we talk earlier? lol. Or maybe i was just following anyone who forked bark repo

[orchid karma]

uhm, i think we had some convos some months ago already and we talked about bark notebooks iirc

i had this weird notebook which trims out silence

thx for remembering to follow people back on github tho

[untold briar]

Lately following people on github more fun than Twitter, makes the Github feed fun to check every day

[orchid karma]

never did that but will do in future, always thinking about searching for cool projects but then i forget about the prob inspiring feed of people one follows

[neat nexus]

....

Man I really need to let this one go.

I went a bit more carnally with this attempt and did different verses as a result.

Still doesn't quite work. It dies about here because when the music ends it doesn't come back, for nothing.

I thought I maybe had a bit of a love song on my hands for a minute.

A bit of a carnal one, but still.

[broken lotus]

😳 That ending is sooooo dramatic tho.
I like it! 👍

It's like a segue song on an album. Next track starts BIG, lol

[neat nexus]

Should I keep it then, and see what I can do with it in terms of placement?

Not sure if it fits with my other stuff.

[broken lotus]

hashtag: hidden track, hastag: bonus track

[neat nexus]

lulz

I remember when those were everywhere.

[broken lotus]

😋

I was gonna make a joke about, what did they call it back then...? an "al bum"?

[neat nexus]

Any thoughts on which one is the best to use?

Melodic as a term makes such a difference ina lot of things.

[thin flint]

How many verses and choruses can I add to one prompt? The first clip came out amazing, but when I tried to add the second verse and chorus with another clip continuation it sounded weird.

Also, for those of you putting male vocals, country, etc, do you put that in the style box? Curious how powerful that style box is.

[thin flint]

How do you share clips like that in here? Just download them and paste them in a message?

[neat nexus]

Yeah, that's exactly what I do to share.

[thin flint]

I like 2, but it's too short to be of any use. And even if you combine clips they a lot of time end too abruptly.

[thin flint]

Any timeframe for that release? Also, even when combining clips, they end abruptly. Is there some kind of prompt I can do where it will actually end the song proper especially if combining two or more clips?

[open magnet]

no release date yet but training it now. you can try things like [Outro] to end a song

[neat nexus]

Yeah you're right. I found that one out the hard way. 😦

[thin flint]

Okay, thanks. What I wish the bot would do is especially when using the random option for style, if once generated, told you the style generated. I'm running into a situation where I have an amazing clip I want to continue from, but when I put the [Verse] tags with the new verse and [Chorus], it goes off the rails.

[broken lotus]

if the Continuations are doing something similar to each other... change your lyrics to fit that...
Sometimes easier to hear where the AI is trying to go, than to fight it.

[digital bane]

But I'll rise from the ashes, I'll find my way,
Though my heart is heavy, I'll see the light of day,
Broken, but not defeated, I'll learn to be okay,
In the ruins of our love, a new me will be born today.

[thin flint]

See, this here was the result of combined clips, but once you combine clips into one you can't continue from it. But I'd love to add an Outro to this.

[neat nexus]

Why can't you continue from it?

Whichever one you hearted to make this one? Continue from that option and add an outro.

[thin flint]

It doesn't give me the continue options from the combined clip. It says I liked a clip, gives me the full clip with no way to continue from that. Unless you mean continue from the fragments.

[neat nexus]

Yeah. Just go back up from the last part before you combined, select the fragment or segment that you used the heart on previously, only this time continue it with the outro you wanted.

[digital bane]

/chrip

/chrip

[neat nexus]

speeling matters.

Also the place for that is in one of the chirp-beta channels.

[steep adder]

how can I search by keyword only the fully generated songs?

[neat nexus]

Hmmm...first part, solid intro. Nice.

Second part, oh I like the instrumentat---WTF?

Chirp: 🤸 🤛 🤾‍♂️

[hollow bone]

Is there a mark stressed syllables on words? Chirp usually does a good job, but not always

[broken lotus]

Use all-CAPS where you WANT the accent

[lean junco]

I like how if chatgpt fails it'll just put the error as the song 💀

[severe oracle]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

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[twin saddle]

Solid meme material

[lean junco]

Is there currently an outage? for like 10 minutes none of my generations have finished

nvm it just finished

[coarse adder]

I'm having the same problem, except I have generations that are 53 minutes old that haven't finished. Looks like if I start a new chirp, it will finish it, but if I continue anything, it never finished the generation.

This one is still showing "Generating..." from 8:10pm (57 minutes ago). Thats the oldest one so far that hasn't finished. 4 other continuations are still sitting in queue with this one.

[lean junco]

yeah what I usually do is, if one chirp takes more than 5-10 minutes, I'll make another one, and usuallly that one finishes

[coarse adder]

That's what I usually do, but they aren't finishing for me it doesn't look like. The 5 jobs, including the one from 8:10pm are still showing "Generating...". Hopefully, Sunos will get over its electronic snit with me tonight. I'd hate to hit a sour note and find out it's composed a grudge against me by tomorrow.

https://tenor.com/view/brian-baumgartner-badumtss-the-office-kevin-joke-gif-15818642

[neat nexus]

So obviously AI is AI and that means there are bugs and various issues that need to be worked out. But something I noticed that is interesting is how often AI will scan a song made by AI and conclude there is no music there. Sonos Teller will do it sometimes, and now some bot on Reddit's AI Video sub scanned the video and concluded the same thing.

Can you guys offer some insights on how this keeps happening or why it keeps happening?

https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/17bz0yr/praise_stream_its_your_goodness_music_video_made/k5mmn4p/

[haughty shoal]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

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[broken lotus]

it's called SNAKE OIL

the author of this 'bot' made the assumption that your song will be something already in it's database. When it can't find it there, it gives a generic error and says there is "no song". That's a red flag the bot is a scam.

Many similar bogus claims were made for AI Art 'detectors' which were not detectors at all, but reverse image look up databases. They would find any similar image in their database and claim your AI Image had been trained on this and this specific image stolen from online.... These 'detectors' were scams because you could upload ANY image (not AI) and it would still declare that you had stolen photos from the internet because they were similar to this and this in its database.

As the hype about AI moves into music, you well see MANY of these bogus 'detectors' that are just reverse search engines claiming to be magic snake oil. A false positive (in this case a false negative) shows they aren't doing anything useful.

[neat nexus]

I see.

That definitely makes sense for the Reddit one. The one in Sonos Teller on the other hand...sometimes it works very well. Other times it just fails.

That one is actually doing more than looking stuff up I think.

Even if it gets stuff wrong sometimes.

[digital jungle]

How can I share this discord channel on Linkedin? I'm writing an article and want to link it

[broken lotus]

Suno.AI is the actual web address. There is a permanent Discord invite there...

[digital jungle]

Thanks

[graceful condor]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

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[broken lotus]

things like 'genre' are not real. It's just marketing.

If the bot is suppose to label your 'genre' it just means your song isn't as generic as (whatever criteria for genre it has)

[neat nexus]

I mean yeah that is what I used it for in the past. But there have been instances where it just straight up insists that this is not a song.

[broken lotus]

LOL

[neat nexus]

If it's marketing then why is it useful for people trying to find more of the same?

If it's just marketing why does it help us in Chirp creating songs?

[broken lotus]

... that's what marketing is?
Kinda why vegetables all somehow end up in the same grocery aisle....

(but what do carrots and lettuce have in common genetically?)

[neat nexus]

I guess? But if I'm looking for a bunch of green onions I'm going to get frustrated if someone hands me a couple of leeks.

They might taste the same. But it's a different preparation to them each.

[broken lotus]

exactly, so what do they really have in common?

[neat nexus]

And I never tried eating raw leeks. Green onions in a bit of salt can be good.

[broken lotus]

After looking up bands to see what genre they are to tell Chirp to make something similar..., before the mid 80s there were no genres (well there were, but...) In the US record stores were segregated into White people music (Rock/Country) and Black people music (Soul/R&B). There was probably a lonely backshelf for 'the rest': classicaljazzmusicalsoundtracksfolkgospel

In the 80s, niche labels were able to ship through common distributors and an explosion of 'genre' happened, hitting peak in the 90s with hundreds of sub-sub-sub-genres.... until it became about music 'journalism' and niche marketing..., but meaningless from a label/distributor/store classification – they're all just alphabetized now.

But looking up those older bands, their genre descriptions are always a hodgepodge of 'crossover' because (prior to Disco – an actual genre) bands didn't really set out to be 1 kind of genre... They had musical influences but they didn't set out to be 'a genre'

[neat nexus]

I take your point.

But then again, since the whole reason I look up my own songs is so I can make sure I hashtag them correctly in YouTube for marketing purposes. So what-evah. 😉

[broken lotus]

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Most of what people think as 'genre' is actually just a 'style'. Genre's need more than 10 bands participating..... and genres are a lot longer lasting than a couple years of trendy 'style' sounds.

[lean junco]

It's acting really weird when it comes to flagging

I put in some lyrics and it works completely fine, but if I put in the SAME lyrics, with the style dubstep, suddenly it's flagged

There was also a time where I used the same lyrics, but capitalized some words for emphasis

[lean junco]

After some experimentation, it turns out that the lyrics get flagged for every style, except "fast rap", and I don't know why

[thin flint]

What's Sonos Teller?

[neat nexus]

It's an AI tool that takes YouTube links for songs (can be unlisted cannot be private or scheduled) and gives summaries of the type of music, genres, styles and instruments it detects in the song.

Here's an example of my latest song released on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeMqQwGyGBY

This is Sono's summary on the song: https://sonoteller.ai/PeMqQwGyGBY

Notice though that it thinks the vocals are instrumentals.... 🙄

[lean junco]

I notice that even after the the limit raising from 30 to 40 seconds, sometimes the song will cut abruptly, missing out on a part at 30 seconds, even though it can make it longer

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

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[broken lotus]

it's 40sec on the first Chirp only.

Continuations are 30sec because they sample 10 sec from the previous clip (10+30=40sec)

when I have a line that spans across a Continuation... yeah, there's no sure way to make the lyrics seamless... Sometimes adding the rest of the line works, sometimes using the whole line works better and the AI picks it up where it wants... Sometimes the AI sings that line again but in gibberish (I don't mind a little gibberish if it's not too obvious/distracting).

Usually I don't Continue a chirp that has a problematic cut, knowing it will cost time/tokens to try to get one that works.... Easier to regenerate the one with the problem cut, maybe adjust it's lyrics shorter or just hope for a better 🎲 🎲

[untold briar]

You nailed it. Have to try everything and also get a bit lucky:

My Chirp is missing the last bit of lyrics, can it be fixed?

Best Solution: Don't try to fix it with a continue. Just try to regenerate a new version of the cutoff clip that is complete.

I really want to try and save this Chirp with a continue:

1. Try adding just the rest of the line, starting from where it cut off.
2. Try adding the whole line, the part before and after the cut.
3. Try adding the whole verse and then after your new lyrics. Works at least as often as 1 and 2. Chirp loves aligning things I guess.
4. Even try re-using your entire previous lyric prompt - literally copy and paste all the text/versus you used 100% exact match. This sometimes works, like it can start at exactly the cut off word, like a miracle. Don't skip any tags you want a character-for-character, space-for-space identical prompt.
5. Same as 4, but also add your new lyrics at the end of the identical prompt. So old-prompt-exactly + new song segment.

But also yeah, 9 out of 10 times faster and better to regenerate the cut off clip instead. But if you really fell in love with it, you can pull out all the stops.

Actually has anyone tried
6. ? Continue the song with no lyrics? Not very likely, but maybe if only missing a second at very end. stranger things than that do work. I'll try quick.

Anyone got a link to a cut-off song, maybe just missing one word?

[broken lotus]

🌈 my fantasy strategy has been to try to trigger clips that all end early – hopefully as seamless cuts.... like at 24-29 sec...

😅 this almost never works.

There is no way to convince the AI to end a few seconds early. When it happens it is not always the best clip, and when I try to do it on purpose the clip's usually TOO short....

[broken lotus]

my experience is if you catch a vocal across the cut, and don't supply any vocals in the Continuation, the Continuation will keep vocal Ad Libbing through the Continuation.... The vocal is burned into the music sample and won't shut-up.

[untold briar]

Number 6 does work in Bark, but Bark has a stronger sense of meaning and real words than Chirp, despite being a terrible singer. But Bark can guess a word and a half pretty reliably.

(Chirp has a bigger brain but uses a lot of it on the complicated music stuff.)

[untold briar]

BTW always interested in cool Chirp ad libs that actually have recognizable sentences. Or at least phrases using real words. Usually you get Simlish songs, also fun, but curious if they can make sense... anyone @ me if you happen to make any, if not a private work or whatnot.

[untold briar]

Wonder if some [tags] or non spoken prompt content that makes it more likely to stop naturally around 24 or 29. Maybe not even necessarily at the end of the lyrics. Could be using 'padding' tags throughout song gives the AI more space to adjust timing (slow down, or skip over to speed up) and it nails the landing a bit better. 🤔

[broken lotus]

Any time I try a series of non-lyric prompts, Chirp puts them all together as 1 prompt, so they either cancel each other out, or possibly all happen at once and done in 3sec.

[neat nexus]

Does---

Ok, this is going to sound weird, but bear with me...

Does the AI get "bored" with prompts?

Like it gets the same submissions, tweaked but basically the same and it just quits trying or sees the additional submissions as errors or redundant so it just doesn't do anything?

Getting diminishing returns on a song I'm working on and it's getting frustrating.

When it's not just ignoring me entirely to repeat itself or making up stuff on its own it just generates noise. The spectroscope indicates sound, but I certainly can't hear anything.

Or it will just abruptly end the song segment in such a way that it cannot be restarted.

So like...is Suno Chirp bored with me or something?

waits for the developer to give the 'it's not you, it's me' speech

[untold briar]

Completely separated songs no.

But something like that can happen in continued songs. Even if the prompt repeats a line that isn't in the past 10s of the clip, so you might assume it couldn't be considered redundant, the prompt can still have an effect on the audio overall that persists. Like in Chirp V1 how the music style itself was a determined by lyrics alone. So repeats could magnify artifacts or errors. (Bark hates repeated prompts for sure.)

Even in pure text models similar concept that quality tends to degrade by building up. Garbage is more likely after garbage, errors accumulate. Here at 28 minutes, ChatGPT has a super hard time recovering after it made a mistake, it just keeps making more mistakes. Only if you go back in time *before * it made the first mistake can it answer correctly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkrNMKz9pWU&t=1673s

I don't know if it's directly analogous technically, under the hood, but as a human person prompting the concept seems to apply.

If you are using brand new song gens, what's probably happening is that those prompts in particular tend to produce that kind of output. So if a particular lyric and style prompt keeps ending way too early, even though it should be plenty long, that could keep happening "over and over" just because for whatever mysterious AI reasons. Not because it's a repeat of an early attempt, but just for that specific prompt, Chirp wants to end a song real quick. (Do not question the will of our future robot overlords.)

[neat nexus]

The first posted one, about a minute in, the second attempt about two minutes in.

In both versions you can see the behavior though. It just skips lines it doesn't care for.

[untold briar]

just a guess: maybe if you omit the style prompt on a continued segment that keeps skipping lines, that might reduce the chance of skips. Without a style prompt it could pay more attention to the lyrics. The reverse is true, if you super overload the style prompt, it for tends to forget about the lyrics more often.

[neat nexus]

Hmmm...

[untold briar]

You may have noticed in the extreme case, Chirp will actually sing the style prompt instead of the lyrics, lol

[neat nexus]

I tried to avoid doing that, but occasionally it seems to help if I goose it along. Especially switching between the vocals and the musoic styles.

[neat nexus]

I may have encountered this a few times. 🤣

[untold briar]

I think the style prompt used to have a longer max length and if you just packed a novel in there it would almost always do that, haha.

[neat nexus]

Well I completed a version of the song at least. Probably will come back to it and see if I can goose it closer to my thinking.

Iterative song making isn't really a thing in Chirp but sometimes you can process something close to it.

And a radically different style can fix a song that was just alright into something much better

[untold briar]

I have found if you have quality degradation from too many continues, sometimes you can competely 100% 180 the style prompt, and recover, but change music genre. Yeah wow you typed same time.

It's not really a great solution since generally people want a song in one style, but works if you can do that.

[neat nexus]

Yeah.

I meant also that sometimes just doing it completely differently can have benefits.

This for example wasn't bad but I think the remake was much better overall...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox12deHwVEo

It's the same lyrics, different vocal choices and radically different music style.

Lyrics comparison:

[thin flint]

Is there a style prompt or something to make Chirp make a smooth ending to a song? I did an Outro but it just ends abruptly. Unless the Outro metatag didn't work and I have to just keep retrying.

[summer thicket]

Is there anyway to have chirp give you a complete clip if you like the initial style? If I click on the heart emoji, all it does is just generate another 40 second clip that cuts off at the end.

[untold briar]

You click the continue button on the first clip, that make sa new 30s clip (with new lyrics.) Then click the heart on the that clip (or the last clip) and bot will combine all parts to make one long song

[thin flint]

That's awesome, but I really want a way for it to smooth end. There's no way to have it fade out, no way to have a little musical end after the vocals or something just to make the ending less awkward. It just cuts off like a switch.

[untold briar]

You can try using a short lyrics prompt, or empty prompt, and then ending with something like [fade out] or [song ends], though you have to get a bit lucky to work

[summer thicket]

The problem I am encountering is that if I click continue, it only gives me four more seconds, and asks for more lyrics when the first clip only used a third of the original lyrics. Just so I’m clear, I have to keep continuing four seconds at a time until I get to the end of the song and then click the heart? I’m going to try that now, but it would be great if larger chunks could be generated on each continuation. At this rate, it’s going to take forever.

[untold briar]

OH no, if you're only get 4 seconds in a continue, you might be out of luck. That could mean the particular clip is kind of bugged and keeps ending too quick. A continue can be 30 seconds long. If you keep getting 4 seconds then either 1.) The clip is bugged. 2.) The prompt used in the continue is somehow making it end too soon (no lyrics for example.)

[broken lotus]

Add the unsung lyrics to the Continue chirp....

(split up the lyrics across your Continue chirps)

[winter bison]

its jover

[summer thicket]

I’m experimenting with this quite a bit now. With each continuation, the style completely changes. Keys are different., it may be a female voice instead of a male voice….. even using the same exact prompt doesn’t create continuity. Overall, I think this will be a great tool when it can maintain context.

[thin flint]

I'm trying to end the song on a continue. Can I do [end song] in the genre box?

[dapper pewter]

/chirp

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[thin flint]

When pasting lyrics, wil [Verse 1] work as a metatag or will the number be ignored?

[broken lotus]

it shouldn't be sung allowed....

I've copy/pasted lyrics where the prompts were just separated by a comma, and Chirp figured it out

(other times I have heard chirp sing the prompt. especially a long prompt it didn't understand)

[thin flint]

What is the best way to do Metatags? For example, if I want a 1950s country ballad with a female vocalist and steel guitar, the following seemed to work, though not consistently.
[50s], [Country], [Ballad], [Female Vocals], [Steel Guitar]

Not sure if it's best to uppercase the tags or what.

[thin flint]

Too bad I can't do this with Chirp...from ChatGPT lyrics:
[Bridge]
[Instrumental breakdown with heavy guitar riffs, pounding drums, and an atmospheric undertone]

Fails every time. Guess I'll have to skip that.

[thin flint]

Is this song raw Suno? Or did you edit it and add stuff? Pretty impressive.

[neat nexus]

Which one are you referring to?

[thin flint]

@neat nexus Depression.

[neat nexus]

Depression needed edits. The chorus was such that it couldn't be replicated. So I basically had to splice earlier pieces together with a continuation from other earlier peices to maintain consistency.

[thin flint]

Ah.

Did the speech segment at the end come from Bark?

[neat nexus]

Sometimes a song will just work from beginning to end with raw Suno Chirp, other times the only way forward is back.

No, that I sourced from a video. The source is mentioned in the details on the YouTube link.

While I was told it was public domain, I still felt that crediting was a good thing to do.

[thin flint]

The Suno docs say there's a Made with Suno channel. Where is that?

[untold briar]

It was split into chirp-showcase (made with chirp) and bark-showcase (made with bark)

[muted linden]

/chirp

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[muted linden]

/chirp

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[muted linden]

/chirp

/chirp

/chirp

/chirp

/chirp

/chirp

/chirp

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/chirp

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/chirp

/chirp

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[muted linden]

/chirp/chirp

/chirp

/chirp

v

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/chirp

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[muted linden]

/chirp

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/chirp/chirp

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/chirp

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/chirp

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/chirp

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/chirp

[untold briar]

You need to be in the chirp-beta-2 etc channels

[red mauve]

tune ur noodle 😄

[untold briar]

A Furious Chirper suggested to me this might make Chirp less likely to cut of your song in middle of a word. (Not trying to end the song itself like a [song ends] or [fade out] but just end the segment cleanly at 28s, end of last line of lyrics, instead of 30s in the middle of a word on the last line.)

This is the last line of lyrics...
(maybe a blank line here?)
.
.
.
|
[optional descriptive of some sort here too] or if you want to end song try [outro] [song ends] [fade out]

That's three periods on lines by themselves, followed by a pipe character | on last line. And optionally a descriptive sort of tag at end.
Seems plausible to me, a flexible buffer at the end, so AI has margin for error, the last line of lyrics is not right at edge of prompt.

I haven't tested this yet, if anyone does let me know what you find out!

[untold briar]

I will say the pipe | character is actually weirdly powerful in Bark. So I would not be shocked if pipes are somehow cool in Chirp, or have some effect stronger than other random punctuation.

In Bark it means 'a new person is speaking' for example. Hi, I'm Suno | Nice to meet you, Suno! would give you two voices in Bark maybe half the time. And as far I know this is not by design, just one of things Bark picked up.

[broken lotus]

I always add blank line after my lyrics.

I sometimes use an ellipsis (...) to add a little empty lyric space

Never used a vertical bar/pipe...

will have to try it

[untold briar]

Blank lines makes sense, yeah. I'm not positive but I think multiple blanks are collapsed into just one, so maybe one line maxes it out. So could be adding periods is kind of like cheating your way to 4 blank lines.

[broken lotus]

yeah, that's how I've used the ellipsis – as an unsung vocal space
(also works at the end of lyric lines to make a 'rest' so the vocal doesn't try to eminem through to the next line.

[untold briar]

I guess this is a technical Chirp thing. Was getting mad discord lag when bouncing between back and forth continuing old segments (way back in chat.) Just tried this "reduce motion" and it seems to help. Not fixed but better.

[neat nexus]

Is it possible to pass a pronunciation phonetically? Like using the dictionary thing? Because it does not pronounce "gliding" correctly.

[untold briar]

I actually have no idea. I'll test it for you so you don't need to burn credits if you can give me a few prompts. Would be useful if it did. (Low odds, I think though.)

[neat nexus]

The word is gliding. It wants to pronounce it Gl-id-ing rather than gl-iii-ding.

[neat nexus]

The words in context:

We come together
we meet in the middle
but we don't mix
oil and water
oil and water
just floating on top
No depth to be found
Gliding around
oil and water
oil and water
but we just don't mix

I did in fact try doing it as Gl-iii-ding and it would get it right about half the time and half the time say it wrong any way.

[untold briar]

I go it

[neat nexus]

Well I've got to take off. See you people later, when I'm done with Church this morning.

(I help out by running a camera and was just informed by one of the guys that they're not going to be in today so I gotta get moving...)

[untold briar]

Oh god if Chirp goes down the IPA phonetic alphabet might have done it. One song, got 5 pings from Chirp... it exploded it's brain.

IPA doesn't work, sometimes doesn't even return adio. Maybe a tiny bit of correlation of some sounds, but probably just places IPA overlaps with real languages if I had to guess. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtWZ86l7h88

[neat nexus]

My Sunday mornings…

[untold briar]

Random-beeping is brutal to musical minds. No patterns, no harmony. The random beeping left Chirp seemingly brain dead, unresponsive. Tune-doctors told me there was nothing left in there to save.

But I could feel the music struggling to come out. I keep the Prompt-Defibrillators prompting, continue after after continue. Surely the overly-strong country tag could bring the music back, it overpowers so many other genres! SPAM set on max charge, I never gave up. (I'll save your ears - Chirp leaps off operating table at 1:45, like a miracle)

[broken lotus]

hahaha it just snapped into a song, LOL

[untold briar]

I was hoping the voice would emerge gradually in tiny slivers, audio scattered in the beeps. You can hear a bit of something like that here and there - but it didn't increase over time. Alternatively was hoping beeps themselves become more musical and transform into an instrument over time. And they might be vaguely sort of occasionally being guided by lyrics like the bagpipes? (Maybe wishful thinking.) But that also didn't increase. Still kind of cool as is, but either of those would be really cool.

[neat nexus]

Has anyone managed to get a children's sing-a-long type song together?

[broken lotus]

I think there were some 'Halloween sing-along' that worked nicely..., and 'children's sing-along'...

(I though that was you, actaully)

[untold briar]

Okay as usual I can't stop and it isn't really pure beeps. More like distorted audio or chipmunk-ish fast speech. So I slowed it down a bit... (repeated a few times in that vid at different speeds)

I think it does sound sort of like the cadence and a speech rhythm of the lyrics. At least more than random chance.

Chirp is stuck in The Speedforce and we slow humans can't understand it. Or Chirp just revealed it can hide hidden messages in our songs. Spooky. Appropriate for halloween. I swear I hear "Oh yesterday can suddenly" in my head at 25 seconds for example. Or I've gone Chirp Mad...

I turned off pitch correction but actually I think I heard it more with it on, but slowed.

[broken lotus]

Hmmm, search 'children sing' there are many in the beta channels...

[neat nexus]

It was, at least one of those...

I'm having no luck with getting it to work with Christmas songs though.

(Yes, yes I know it's early. I'm trying to prepare now so I don't have to worry then.)

[untold briar]

Do you have an example, by sing-along do you mean real people singing, not a professional singer?

[untold briar]

So this is kind of weird, but try prompting the lyrics to Happy Birthday as the music genre. Sounds silly but #🐣┃chirp-beta-6 message (I did also add sing-along to style field at end once.)

Specifically it was Happy Birthday to You Happy Birthday to You, sing-along as style. I suspect a shorter version would work as well, that's just what I happened to try.

[neat nexus]

It's worth an attempt.

[untold briar]

In Chirp V1 Happy Birthday Lyrics were one of the strongest influences, relative to any other lines of lyrics. Makes sense probably covered a billion times over

[neat nexus]

This was the best attempt. Which says something...

WARNING: Turn the sound down. You'll thank me.

[untold briar]

I wonder if that's something like lyrics instrumental "crosswiring" stuff we were playing with today. She is singing a bit like a violin, though not sure why off tune lol. Like 43 seconds what.

[neat nexus]

I dunno but it's not working for me. Not sure if tweaking it would be worth the time or not. Considering that my best way forward would be something along the lines of a 'Jingle Bell Rock' adaptation in my usual style with original lyrics.

[untold briar]

I think more efficient to nail the sing-along in first sample where you are not tied down by prev segment. Maybe you could do both in one seg, instrumental for 20 seconds, though.

[untold briar]

Failed upwards, no silent night singalong, but some of my favorite Chirp hallucinated lyrics start at 1:20 ish, and instrumental bits overall nice. I distinctly hear a few hallucinated real words that aren't anywhere in the prompt, "saturday rounds" "magazine" - not just Simlish. Feels a bit like improvising on real lyrics at times.

Interestingly Silent Night itself was a Lyrical Titan like Happy Birthday in Chirp V1. I bet just using those lyrics tend to have Chirp trend towards the classic song style, which isn't really sing-along-ish compared to say, Jingle Bells.

[neat nexus]

I wouldn't mind getting closer to a traditional arrangement. I was just thinking a bunch of kids singing it would be the tweak.

Oddly enough as a kid that was the one song we were constantly expected to sing along with.

(For Christmas time I mean.)

[untold briar]

Okay one last discovery. random as a music style! Powerful, surprising, and useful? What???

So this means random with some other words in the field. "Random" by itself has a special hardcoded meaning for a random genre, but as a word with others, Chirp interprets the word itself musically. Edit: Random by itself can be used as ,random or random, scroll down for samples. Even a single random in style field can have a audible effect, and two or three sometimes a total transformation. Three big things, you seem to get mostly one of the 3 more than a combo.

1. Audio gaps and missing chunks - so the song sounds like the audio cut out and it skips words or syllables -- just like I was hoping for above! But it sounds cool, listen to that first clip!
2. Skipping records, vinyl audio effects (second clip)
3. Musical Style something like "Glitch Punk". Or a transformation like "Digital-ize this" or "Beepify-this" that combos with or changes your other music style in the prompt. Could be a techo-sounding layer on top, a voice filter, or a literal beepy bloops track added to the song. (clips 3 and 4)

Way more useful and interesting than I expected!

Lastly I checked same prompts against arbitrary tech-but-non-music words like *circuit * or *motherboard * and they made everything sound terrible.
Music related ones like *digital * and glitch were a bit similar. Weaker words than random - you need more glitch in the prompt to move the needle. Songs and sounds more straightforward didn't get anything like these samples which have a few things I've never heard in Chirp. I think 'random' is strangely one of the stronger music genres and terms in Chirp, even above many real music terms, and not randomly, random has a musical meaning, it's a consistent idea. WTF

[broken lotus]

😵 wow, the 4th one!
(all of them!)

[untold briar]

I know they get so much stuff from I basically NEVER hear, wtf

just the word RANDOM

But it's all like, "on theme" not really random, ironically

Beepif-ied or Techn-olyzed Christmas I LOVE IT

[untold briar]

Here's a couple that are I liked, all public so if you want can backtrack any segment and build on it. Just linking to last segment so you can easily click on links to find others.

#🐣┃chirp-beta-4 message
#🐣┃chirp-beta-4 message

I was testing random against Silent Night and those lyrics are sort of outlier I think. Silent Night is most covered of all Christmas songs, not surprised it may be a bit of an exception. Always good to sanity check a prompt that doesn't seem to work against totally different lyrics once in awhile.

[untold briar]

random as a standalone music genre works mostly you would expect. It's like "Glitch Punk" maybe? I liked it better as a combo or modifier to another genre but not bad. (If you want to use it add a comma in front or at the end so ,random or random, so Chirp gets the literal word random.)

I wonder how many people accidentally added random to their style by not deleting the prefilled text. So the prompt was random, k-pop instead of just k-pop and were like "this sounds cool, but a bit strange, I always get so many bloops and record scratches?"

[untold briar]

This is actually how I discovered this. I was skimming public chirps and a cool bloopy glith-tech song used the genre random, Digital technology beat where the user forgot to erase that text. But when I tried Digital technology beat the songs were nothing special, and random was the magic glitch-bloop music genre I wanted.

k-pop and k-pop, random - Baby Shark and Bloopy Shark.

[light ether]

wow first one is a bop, second one is also a bop but you have to be in the bloop headspace

[untold briar]

My favorite of the random if the first set here #📚┃suno-school message there's some stuff you just don't hear out of Chirp, like that first clip. I do like a good bloop but it's probably #3 on that list. Who am I kidding I live in bloop city.

The 'lyrics as music guidance' is cool but maybe not practically useful, but random as a style genre or combo is going in my daily driver prompting kit, so useful.

[untold briar]

Anyone recognize this language, sounds asian? Is this by chance singing Baby Shark in that language? Singing starts at 12 seconds in. It doesn't sound like typical Chirp simlish.

random baby shark mostly stuck in bloop city. the shark is a tough customer. lots of weird sounds, no amazing songs.

[orchid karma]

Are other peoples chirps somehow influenced by others recent generations or so? I somehow have the feeling that i get bad results when trying to generate something while the chinese/russian folks try to generate something, rather than after trying when it's almost full of english lyrics generations. Could be just a random coincidence, but i wanted to ask to be sure ^^

[broken lotus]

🌏

I blame Australia.

[open magnet]

every generation is completely independent

[broken lotus]

Any tips for Pop/EDM/House (et al) that sounds 'dark', as in minor keys, 'evil' or 'dangerous'?

In otherwords music that has groovy beats and dance energy without all the joy and butterflies?

(and not death metal)

[rare pulsar]

Have you tried: Sinister Pop/EDM/House, maybe try removing one genre at a time to see which is heavily influencing the upbeat.

[neat nexus]

Terrorcore? 🤷‍♂️

[broken lotus]

Do we just add 'core' to everything now?

remember when 'tronic' was added to the end of every word?

[neat nexus]

blushes in Virtual Groove Polytronics

[broken lotus]

and 'palooza' for you kids from the 90s

[neat nexus]

So this came out shorter than I wanted it but I consider it a valid test exercise for this.

Would have liked an opening and some filler frills but it didn't really want to do that so this is what I've got.

It tells me that I can have some carols though as we get closer to the holidays.

And the nicest thing about traditional songs is that they're public domain.

I'm also doodling with a modern retake on Jingle Bells, ala Jingle Bell Rock but hopfully pushing it forward another fifty years. ChatGPT gave some stuff to start with and I'll be whittling away at it to see if I can pry it loose from the AA BB scheme.

Really don't like it as it stands but it has potential. And while I may have missed it completely, I'd say were overdue for an updated version of that, if one hasn't already appeared and as I said I may have mised it.

[neat nexus]

This came out a bit "metal-ly" so I don't know if it's a demonstration of what you want or not...

[broken lotus]

I'm sure it's a dancefloor banger somewhere, LOL 😅

[broken lotus]

Sinister + genre seems to work, thank you for suggestion!

[neat nexus]

Closer?

[broken lotus]

... Hmm Interesting... Could build a whole sound around that style.

[neat nexus]

It's a consideration.

I'd need to really think about the lyrics though instead of just doodling.

[neat nexus]

Changing the subject...

Anyone else find themselves constantly returning to old songs to retry stuff and getting disappointed because it changes all the things you liked and not the things you didn't?

[neat nexus]

I mean, lighning struck once. It was good. Why do I keep coming back to certain songs to try to get another strike?

Am I just greedy?

[open magnet]

i definitely get this thing where i have a short melody that gets stuck in my head

like a couple of days ago i got this:

and then it's super fun to make it into a song

[neat nexus]

Oh man....nice!

[open magnet]

(spoiler this is obv new stereo model) but same idea applies

here a different variant with same 5s starter

[neat nexus]

Very cool.

[neat nexus]

Oh, yeah! Obviously!

😕

LOL

My issue is I get sections of a song where I'm very happy with it and then others where things shifted and I don't quite know how to fix it.

I really like those good parts. I just wish I knew how to make more of them.

[open magnet]

say more about shifted?

like off beat?

[neat nexus]

The vocals started working really good. But then as the song continues it turns into a hiss-singing.

[open magnet]

ah

yeah...

[neat nexus]

This one.

[open magnet]

errors unfortunately kinda get worse

[neat nexus]

Here's the original so you can see what is happening as it progresses.

If I could get those vocals at about 0:48 without the noise and use it over and over...man...

[open magnet]

it's like gpt where the model assumes history is perfect. so if it makes a mistake then after that it will assume the mistake is on purpose

[neat nexus]

Right. The thing is I've tried to go upstream so to speak and fix it but I can never quite get that magic to strike again all at once.

[open magnet]

so downside is: that's gpt... upside is: it automatically gets better as the model gets better

[neat nexus]

True.

But somehow I don't expect forward backwards compatibility...errr...I mean...

[open magnet]

in principle there is cause we can just treat it as audio and re-continue from anywhere

if you copy paste me the full lyrics i can try quickly

[neat nexus]

makes interested noises...

[open magnet]

new model also has much longer context so that probably helps

[neat nexus]

This is what I saved, but the file itself may have used different stuff since sometimes I tweak as I go when retrying stuff.

{soulful jazz neofunk} ⬅️ Music style

Wawa wawa wawa

[verse]

Lazy Saturday
Well the band's in the room
We light it up, tighten up
and the groove begins to bloom
Guitars are strummin'
and that bass is deep,
With every note
our bodies start to seep

[Chorus]

We're gonna groove together
feel the rhythm in our beat
With our friends beside us
and the music oh so sweet
There's nothing better
So come jam with us

So come jam with us

Come jam with us

[Verse]

As the music moves us
we draw near
Bodies swaying close
no need for fear
In this dimly lit room
our spirits align
We're dancing to the rhythm
feeling fine
and feeling so fine

In the candlelight's glow
our eyes they meet
Smiles exchanged
hearts skipping a beat
Hips start to sway
Lost in the moment
feeling the love
So content
This is the way

[Chorus]

We're gonna groove together
feel the rhythm in our beat
With our friends beside us
and the music oh so sweet
There's nothing better
On a lazy Saturday
So come jam with us

[untold briar]

If you tag a verse as a chorus, and you use the course twice in the new, but the lyrics are actually different. Does the new model get confused in an interesting way?

Also in that lyrics posted above, the choruses aren't quite identical

[open magnet]

yeah now it can actually repeat choruses and/or iterate on them 🙂

[untold briar]

So would it try to apply the rhythm and melody of the original chorus? Even if the lyrics when you use it again are completely different, so it's almost like guidance for the second version of the chorus

[neat nexus]

Like I said, this was way early on when I wasn't really doing a good job of keeping things recorded like I should.

I do much better now, and try to keep track of what actually gets inputted, including changes in styles.

[open magnet]

here just a quick test with taking the first 5s of your generation as the starting point and then inputting the lyrics you gave me for continuation

not sure about the vocals but at least maybe decently consistent?

[untold briar]

Does discord mobile really not autoplay mp3... I got to stop posting that format

[open magnet]

oof yeah...:(

[neat nexus]

I think I spent like thirty attempts before I was happy with vocals so understandable.

[untold briar]

It's just a couple extra clicks, but surprising it doesn't play in app

[neat nexus]

Also the wawa wawa wawa was used for instrumental but didn't actually get said.

It replicated the music really good.

I liked the music and it really has become part of the song to me when I think of it.

Hmm...

Retranscribing the words now and I noticed a bit of a smilish moment about 0:40 where it riffs off the lyrics seeming to start them then starting again for real about 0:48 in...

[open magnet]

lol

[untold briar]

Embrace the simlish

[neat nexus]

I see the "come jam with us" in the chorus only gets used once twice, despite attempts to make it restart in the next segment

[neat nexus]

Most of the time I do. 😉

[untold briar]

If only Imagine could have been written in Simlish. No countries. No languages. No language.

[open magnet]

lol

[broken lotus]

Soooooooo 🧐

Is this a thing we'd be able to do with any recording... (we supply the Intro)...?

[neat nexus]

Here's the corrected text of the song:

{soulful jazz neofunk}

[fade in]
[intro]
[instrumental]

Wawa wawa wawa

[verse]

Lazy Saturday
Well the band's in the room
We light it up, tighten up
and the groove begins to bloom
Guitars are strummin'
and that bass is deep,
With every note
our bodies start to seep

{soulful jazz neofunk}

[Chorus]

We're gonna groove together
feel the rhythm in our beat
With our friends beside us
and the music oh so sweet
There's nothing better
So come jam with us

So come jam with us

[Verse]

As the music moves us
we draw near
Bodies swaying close
no need for fear
In this dimly lit room
our spirits align
We're dancing to the rhythm
feeling fine
and feeling so fine

{soulful jazz neofunk}

In the candlelight's glow
our eyes they meet
Smiles exchanged
hearts skipping a beat
Hips start to sway
Lost in the moment
feeling the love
So content
This is the way

[Instrumental]

[Chorus]

We're gonna groove together
feel the rhythm in our beat
With our friends beside us
and the music oh so sweet
There's nothing better
On a lazy Saturday
So come jam with us

[Verse]

As the night unfolds
our bodies entwine
Sultury sensations
like sweet red wine
With the music
as our guide
and the passion so tight
We're gonna cherish this night
'til the morning light

[Instrumental]

[Outro]

[Fade Out]

[Fade Out]

As you see I try to document a bit better now.

[open magnet]

haha well we can't really allow arbitrary uploads for obvious reasons, but we will probably try to add more functionality continuing off of a specific section of any previous generation

like continue from chirp #87916 start_s=12 end_s=18 or something

[neat nexus]

I think for me the biggest thing is that rhythm in the singing that developed. I wanted to keep that no matter what else changed in it.

The sensation I was trying to reach with the song was that moment of slow dancing with a partner where no matter who else was in the room, it was just the two of you moving together in harmony to a beat.

[open magnet]

very beautiful, ya makes sense

[neat nexus]

Thanks.

I don't know how good I do with stuff, but most of the time I feel like I have some success when I target a specific feeling or moment and try to bring it out.

[rigid sonnet]

Hi, first time using the command /chirp and I get this.

[broken lotus]

Was that the prompt...? 😃

that moment of slow dancing with a partner where no matter who else was in the room, just the two of you moving together in harmony to a beat.

[neat nexus]

lulz

[open magnet]

hmmm weird, try again?

[broken lotus]

It's just a web/bot/discord hiccup.
Try again in a minute.

[rigid sonnet]

ok

works fine now

[neat nexus]

I actually went back and hunted it down. The original prompt was this:

Can you suggest lyrics for a lazy Saturday with the gang getting together to smoke (legal) pot and jam together?

It gave me some stuff and I ended up adapting everything. Some of the original remained but I basically combined several versions.

Here's the original:

Lazy Saturday, the band's in the room,
We light it up, and the groove starts to bloom.
Guitars are strummin', and the bass is deep,
With every note we play, we're in a soulful sweep.

(Chorus)
Lazy Saturday, the jam's in full swing,
Pass the good herb, let the good times bring.
With our friends beside us, and the music so sweet,
We're gonna jam together, feel the rhythm in our feet.

As you can see I made additions and avoided the AABB as much as I could.

I like my arrangement better.

Side by side comparison.

I feel like I made it my own.

[neat nexus]

Can you tell us more about this?

I understand needing to limit it to previous generations of stuff. But can this be used to basically cut and paste previously generated snippets and reuse them? Can it adapt them to new audio by remixing them both? This sounds like some exciting stuff.

[broken lotus]

Stereo sounds exciting, tbh. 🎧

[neat nexus]

Yeah, would definitely be a step forward.

[open magnet]

Hmm well the default would be more like: continue form an arbitrary point of a previous chirp

Technically you could also stitch some previous stuff but would probably lead to weird output..

Eventually though will be cool to allow inpainting, like connecting any two clips

Starting to get a bit complicated in discord though haha

[neat nexus]

That was always something that was anticipated though, right?

Discord is for chatting not really for application stuff.

[open magnet]

Haha yeah, already started working on alternatives tbh

[broken lotus]

Off-topic but how did you make this big text in Discord?

[neat nexus]

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/210298617-Markdown-Text-101-Chat-Formatting-Bold-Italic-Underline-

[untold briar]

Markdown syntax. '# big word' on own line

[neat nexus]

🥷

[neat nexus]

As long as they're crossplatform, I hope?

[open magnet]

yaya would be same backend

[manic ibex]

/chirp

[flint haven]

The /chirp command is not available in this channel

Go to the #🐣┃chirp-beta-1 channel to use the /chirp command, and check out the #🐣┃how-to-chirp channel for step-by-step instructions for making music using Chirp on Discord.

[broken lotus]

bookmarked. TY!

[neat nexus]

What I mean is that I'm a Linux user about 90% of the time.

[broken lotus]

Since the bot is held captive in some secret laboratory, I'd assume a web interface (or an app that functions like one)... Cross platform shouldn't be a problem since they wouldn't be adapting the bot to run on every platform....

[broken lotus]

Thanks for 'Sinister'... this isn't the best chirp, but this is exactly the effect I wanted. Same percussion, just a change in the mood and key....

SINISTER FUNK

[rare pulsar]

Honestly what a cool sound.

[rare pulsar]

Is there a way to bulk download all the snippets I've made easily?

[fathom holly]

are chirp credits per day or once you run out its gone forever?

[broken lotus]

per day for free tier.
#📢┃announcements message

[broken lotus]

maybe from app.suno.ai ?

[rare pulsar]

Much appreciated

[broken lotus]

I think you can get there through the subscription page

[rare pulsar]

I think there should be a reaction for the model severely hallucinated, this doesn't occur frequently, but it will just imagine a whole different verse, and then try to squeeze in my lyrics at the end.

[neat nexus]

I'm getting a lot of hallucinations all of a sudden.

Anything going on or just more bad luck?

Seems to keep happening in intros.

[rare pulsar]

Was getting it consistently recently, on verses

[neat nexus]

Yeah, feels like something is up.

[north plume]

chirp/

[graceful condor]

Hello! I am new here and I love the tool!
Is it possible to change the photo that is generated along with the music?

[broken lotus]

no, it's automated from your lyrics (if any).
Most people are using a free video editor to add their own clips/images

[zealous pawn]

So I recently got a thing saying I don't have enough credits what does that mean?

[open magnet]

https://suno.ai/docs/subscriptions

[zealous pawn]

Oh....@georg is it like a daily credit thing or once you used all the free that's it?

[rare pulsar]

I don't know much to anything about audio gen, but I know nlp fairly well, are there any good resources for learning the technical details of how something like chirp v1 or the next models work/will work

[light ether]

Hey welcome, 5 chirps daily (50 credits).