Rematch PRO Scene

[old basin]

Currently in NA at least, Volare, Lockdown, All pro, and others are the top teams that eveyrbody looks at to see how they play the game. Volare beat a team 4v5 with PURE PRIO BALL, I was on the losing team. Prio ball is not getting fixed, unless you add something like, If defender and attacker both get the indicator and interact with the ball. the ball gets deflected based on some factor, not that one player beats the other one. Since teammates are more favorable to win the prio even by a tiny bit, its makes Prio ball the meta. there are no proper counters for it. because if its done right defenders cannot consistently defend it. its just TOO GOOD. Rematch will die if it Prio ball isnt removed. The game is not fun to play at a high level. Prio ball requires minimum skill, no tech involved no creativity just shooot high and run and shoot again. Please remove the priority concept, if its the only way for u to fuckin work with the net code, then improve the fucking net code. this game has SOOOO Much potential that its crazy to see only 8,000 online players peak on steam, daily. the way you make crazy money out of the game is by esports and marketing, but u cant market this shit cuz its still not optimized. SVP fix the game. I understand that as a developer everything is easier said than done, but unless you get more manpower on this and fix it early, this game is done. no matter how many football player skins you bring.

[plain nebula]

Thats the 100th post begging for volley nerf. Sadly the only thing you will get for this achievement is a couple upvotes on your post from people who actually wanna see the game succeed. They wont do shit for the game and maybe they actually want it to die so they can start planning for the next game after getting those millions from the release.

Also, it isnt an NA problem, we have seen this shit meta on SA and BR region since first month after release and even after it started affecting NA and EU all they did was reduces 10% of the speed the ball gets from the BOOST buff which was the same as nothing

[simple forge]

I really pray they get this next beta test right or atleast close. I cannot stand more than 1 game in this current meta. It's absolutely tragic what the gameplay turned into

[maiden garnet]

they said they know about this issue in July, so repeating won't make a difference

why is still not fixed though? i assume because it's hard to fix.. see how much shit they fuck up when trying to fix broken techs? the physics & mechanics code is probably a mess, so any change requires a ton of backend work & testing for all possible scenarios

maybe the dev team is too small, maybe devs are incompetent

[dreamy hollow]

We win based on plays not prio

we create openings in teams defenses and bait the keeper into diving

and understand when to attack a ball, how to pass it, how our teammates like the pass, etc.

prio is skill, and any pass you'll ever see you'll declare as it was done due to priority when its just understanding HOW to get priority and HOW to pass it to your team and HOW to make it so the other team is in a bad position and understanding how they want to play

• you should'nt be going for priority

on defense we block

unless we can win it with prio (based off of skill, positioning and timing)

[verbal lodge]

Devs are just clowns ngl been saying this from week 1 and they said they would address it over here too https://discord.com/channels/1055140456184426607/1406813959478055012 but nothings actually been done long term the 10% thing and changes to snapping was meant to be a short term fix but it seems like they have forgotten about it

[verbal lodge]

Prio is not a skill when it’s based off packets attackers are more likely to get prio due to how it works rn basically creating “tm8 prio”

[dreamy hollow]

my point is no matter what the pass is you're still going to call it prio

just because a defensive player doesnt receive it

instead of realizing that its a skill issue which isn't anything wrong just learn the game

[verbal lodge]

It’s literally tm8 passing advantage rn bro not a skill issue there’s a thread abt it somewhere just read it 😭

[dreamy hollow]

we dont rely on that though we rely on good passes, just cause its in the air doesnt mean its prio 😭

and you can defend against it

at the current stage -

[verbal lodge]

You do rely on it everyone does why do you think the attackers are winning prio 90% of the time

The most skillful part in the whole process now is not positioning, the shot, the run it’s the the pass because if it’s off it won’t exploit the current system

[hexed crown]

Imo volley should at least lose it's jump height. It makes no sense for a player to jump 3 meters, dispute a ball against a defender trying to clear with their head only to lose for a 3 meters martial art kick.
Just a example at how frustrating it is:
My friend was like "ok, they just kicked my head"
0 collision.

[simple forge]

Skill issue or not is absolutely redundant in this context man - the gameplay is SHIT nobody wants to even learn how to adapt because it would basically just be a waste of time lmao it is not the game many of us want to play.

thats the thing that gets me the most tbh, this "meta" would absolutely not be a meta if the game actually made sense most of the time. So many clips I see are just bad collision and poor netcode. And I'm not saying the shots are even bad, honestly im impressed with shot placements, curve etc regarding the keeper and goal but inbetween the keeper and the striker is a defender(s) having their existence completely ghosted and now we have defenders just taking running line up seal dives to make saves instead of bothering to mark lmao

it just removes all credibility from the game at that point and imo that is why we are in the current state player count wise (+terrible servers and matchmaking algo). Fix those 3 and the game can and will recover. It's possible but gl ig 🤷

[steady arrow]

craziest thing is, they've been trying to address the missile meta with the previous patches but they made it better than ever☠️😂the devs are so out of touch☠️☠️

[steady arrow]

before, most of the time, when I was infront of the attacker when he was receiving a prio passe, I would intercept 9/10 of those missile passes. Now, you can be 3 on 1 striker and still lose that prio battle.. it makes no sense. One would think the devs would notice with one gaming session how broken prompts are but they still haven't addressed it😂☠️and they say that they actively play their own game🤡

[sinful echo]

Rn best way to counter missile meta is to man mark and position yourself between the ball and the person trying to volley it. At least that what been working for me

[old basin]

Ur passing and play style and everything is skill based
And its possible to defend against.
However the biggest issue is the prio battle which imo shouldnt exist
Imagine its rocket lesgue or like irl
If me and u both get our foot to the ball
Ur shot is not gonna just overrule mine,
Your shot should get deflected or lose some power
Thats the issue.
That if 2 people get the diamond and get a touch on the ball the ball should get deflected

[dreamy hollow]

issue is the physics in this game isnt like rocket league and it'd be possible to make it like rocket league

rocket league is purely physics and it works since its purely a square hitbox hitting the ball

this game has animations

so prio is required to have in this game is what the players dont understand

now prio has a certain level of skill as well which my team has been doing well at and one of our defenders thvzla understands how to get it whenever possible

now if we did it how you're saying where the ball would get deflected

no team would be scoring

as 2 players would always get the diamond at a high level

and it'd get deflected 9/10 times

and thats when the game wont be fun anymore as it'd be almost impossible to score and more annoying things would come out from doing it this way, theres a reason they made it so the pass from your teammate allows you to have more prio over the defender

A defensive heavy game isn't as fun to play or watch. Right now I think the game is very good as they've patched the major bugs/exploits. Biggest problem is just getting into the custom matches not even a gameplay aspect haha

[steady arrow]

way less effective this patch. the prompts are completely broken lol

[steady arrow]

It's very fun to attack because all the prompts and defending is broken more than ever☠️

[simple forge]

And you are just going to ignore the fact that its entirely possible to make both players animate into the ball in a contested animation rather than approve/cancel? And then have that contention weighted?

this is one of the reasons the game is not popular rn. Many of the actual interactions ingame are just BS and more and more often than not are being forced by the games current playerbase because they know how it works. No chance for growth like that. Nobody wants to play a casino game 🤷

[dreamy hollow]

I addressed what’d happen if there was to be an animation for it to be contested/deflected already

There’s already a proper way to defend against shots

[simple forge]

weighted.

[dreamy hollow]

How would it be weighted (asking out of ignorance)

[simple forge]

Regarding, no1 being able to score - that is probably very true and at that point changes can be made to address it

[dreamy hollow]

What changes would be made

[simple forge]

how tf can I know rn?

[dreamy hollow]

You cannot

But it’s the assumption that the dev team hasn’t already tried doing it

And that’s why they’re leaving prio in the game

[simple forge]

ok dead game 🤷 end of discussion i guess

[dreamy hollow]

And they might want you to focus more on blocking

[simple forge]

clearly by the player count that is not a popular opinion

but go on, enjoy

[dreamy hollow]

Im literally asking what else could work out, im taking this position just to figure out a solution but there hasn’t been a better solution

😂

[simple forge]

your asking and then telling me the devs already tried that and asking me to find another solution

fr

[dreamy hollow]

I said they might’ve

And I said how would you solve the problem your solution would create

Otherwise THEN the game will become dead if it’s hard to score

[simple forge]

"Right now I think the game is very good as they've patched the major bugs/exploits. Biggest problem is just getting into the custom matches not even a gameplay aspect haha"

Im gonna be honest dude, we aren't going to agree on any points. Have a nice day o/

[dreamy hollow]

Brother you agreed that it’d be hard to score so we did agree on a point

I’m wondering how we can work around it

😓

[simple forge]

thats pointless to think about

the change has to be made first to see how it affects gameplay

[dreamy hollow]

It’s not because we can see obvious issues that arise from the change where as the moment the gameplay is skill based and isn’t as broken as people make it out to be

[simple forge]

player count says otherwise

[dreamy hollow]

Player count dropped when it was broken

[simple forge]

you are coping brother. Heavily, heavily coping.

[dreamy hollow]

I’m saying the games no longer broken (gameplay wise) and you haven’t stated anything to prove it is.

[simple forge]

cba tbh, its been said so many times, dont have the care or energy anymore ngl lmao

[dreamy hollow]

lol

[steady arrow]

prio battles should be won based on positioning. If I'm in front of the receiver, I should be able to header the ball out but unfortunately it's not that way. You're not rewarded for being in a good defensive position and the block is horrible in the game so it's not viable as a direct counter

[dreamy hollow]

The block is op (now)

[dreamy hollow]

They are working on positioning winning btw

Hopefully this beta it’ll work

[steady arrow]

I wouldnt say OP but when it's well done, It's definitely a good counter but there's still instances where you can overkick above the block

and the block is hard to master which is a good thing but isn't always super responsive imo

[dreamy hollow]

I think they’re removing those instances, however we do need those instances there’s supposed to be gaps in the defense.

The games with the top teams aren’t back to back scoring meaning getting a shot using priority isn’t easy to get. The issue with the people complaining is that they don’t go out of their way to practice defense. They get into customs and might practice plays or mechanics but not how to defend.

A lot of games are already 1-0 games 2-1 games

Buffing defense means we’re more likely to have longer overtime’s

[verbal lodge]

theres literally an exploit where u stand still and get prio 100% of the time idk how ur not getting prio when its so attacker favoured

hopefully the devs patch it soon in patch 5

but like in general as well it is still attacker favoured

all because how packets work

[steady arrow]

I get what you're saying and in reality, we will always have gaps in defence because nobody plays the position perfectly or reads every play perfectly. I don't think "buffing defense" would be the proper term but simply fixing prompts like it was initially and maybe, like we discussed earlier, having it being positional based prio would be the better fix.

https://youtu.be/1NaSOwqn4PM?si=nqfaPtlrQMYE8OKe

[verbal lodge]

attacker has better packets so his animation popped sooner canceling urs thats the back end explanation and its fucked they need to fix it (all more noticeable visually because of the change they did in patch4 like who tf play tests these patches)

[dreamy hollow]

Well yeah of course this should be your ball 🤣

Hahahaa

Skill issue water tbh

Jump and get the ball next time

[steady arrow]

I'm not saying you disagree it's just situations like this should never happen unless the pass is literally over my prompt reach and dips in the strikers prompt reach because those situations do occur.

[hexed crown]

I agre that RL physics should not work here, but I heavily disagree that there would be no goals if the ball deflected when 2 players are contesting it. This part from the assumption that you (by you I mean any player) only score a goal competing priority against another player, which is not true at all. When a player is heading the ball and another one is kicking the opponent head and the ball at the same time, the ball SHOULD be deflected in a way that makes sense, instead of the ball just ignoring the header (or rarely the martial art kick) and going straight to the goal or the midfield. it just adds to the boring Volley pass>volley goal attempt that is predominant now. There are a lot of situations you can put a attacler 1:1 against the gk, these situations should be your best chance of scoring a goal, not a missile attack pattern loop that happens now

[steady arrow]

apparently the devs are passionate rematch players but it doesn't look like it🤷‍♂️I love those game a lot but it's failing to provide a decent and reliable gameplay which makes competing, imo, pointless when stuff like that occurs. Might be a skill issue but I've put in enough hours to be somewhat of a decent defender to know when I should and shouldn't intercept the ball and right now, most of the time I'm left speechless with the prio system🤷‍♂️

[hexed crown]

I usually jump for these balls (even tho imo it's still less effective than matching the diamond timing, but there's no way in hell it's skill issue on your part. Your animation started, your positioning was better to intercept the ball and you used EE. Game just "nope'd" you and that's it.

[steady arrow]

pretty sure he was kidding about the skill issue

[dreamy hollow]

Yes I was hahaha

I’d be tilted

[hexed crown]

Nah, I was specifically saying about your "might be a skill issue". Still haven't read the whole comments since my comment a few days ago

[steady arrow]

that's the only one I clipped..but there's so many instances where prompts don't pop for me and I'm using EE and I'm barely a foot from the ball and concede right after😂☠️that's why I left RFL..Volare makes it look easy despite the game being so bad atm.. kudos to you guys

[dreamy hollow]

We practice a LOT and with European players

[steady arrow]

that's what set people/teams apart from the rest🤝

[verbal lodge]

@steady arrow

Promising changes so far but we’ll see could just end up like before

[fair folio]

if this change was patch 3 rematch would have had 15k players active easily

[steady arrow]

so to beat prio volley you have to volley as well? or will this apply to heading the ball too?

it looks good but I'm still concerned about the lack of acknowledgement about the overall prompts being inconsistent and players "slightly" sliding around when going from sprint to d-stance (I think they improved it w patch 4 but still feel it at times)

[steady arrow]

they often look pretty good on paper but alot of stuff breaks that aren't mentioned in the patch notes.. Have to be mindful about that. They dedicated a whole paragraph talking about how broken the patches can be.. and hopefully they fix/revert what was once working perfectly (player movement/stamina/prompts (for the most part)/inputs, etc.

not trying to be a hater but they did butcher the game with all these patches so it's pretty hard to get hyped for one..

[fair folio]

Instead we are having a good change with new ruined slow and sluggish movement... Wish they just let go of their pride of pushing an update through and reverted things back to patch 2 when patch 3 happened and move on from there

Now I just cant get hyped due to it being too late and all the patch notes being good only on paper and everything else being worse every patch. Good to see they will take their time. Hope things gets good for rematch again

[fair folio]

Its really an achievement how well they butchered their own game really. This has been happening since first public beta

I was supporting them until their last devtalk about techs and passing. which explained they were okay with slow movement as long as it meant people passed more... Enforcing a certain play vision via restrictions instead of giving freedom to players and letting them decide how to play the game

[heady nest]

This will always be a tug of war unfortunately. Can't please everyone. I enjoy the slower, methodical passing style but the thing is people don't adapt and always miss the "old days" and decide that even if they are slower, mindset is on dribbling the ball till eternity just to shoot the ball all by themselves

[steady arrow]

to say that people didn't pass the ball around before patch 3 is false. We simply had more options in terms of playstyles which should be promoted in game instead of forcing the comm to play a certain way. They nerfed a side of the game that provided more creativity and more flair to the game. I get the argument of adapting but most of us still play the game and are trying to love it again but it's objectively worse than before in a lot of aspects. Which ultimately makes the overall experience poor and explains why people stopped playing.

[heady nest]

Sorry, I didn't mean to convey that there wasn't any passing done previously. I mostly played with a squad so my experience might be skewed because when I would be expecting a pass, I wouldn't get it from the randoms. Agreed that there were some knee jerk reactions to these patches and it has changed the game to the point that it's not the same anymore. The tech never bothered me because I rarely encountered it (I only peaked diamond during S0). There should be a balance, and hopefully they find that good middle ground.

[steady arrow]

That's on me my bad. I did mostly play with a stack so our experiences is definitely skewed but I did my fair share of solo queuing and it does happen that people don't share the ball but those type of people will always exist no matter the state of the game. And to change the feel and corr gameplay with some data on solo queuing is mind boggling to me😂Not directing this towards you but towards the devs, It's very unfortunate but here we are. I was in elite in S0 and was up there in terms of overall ranking as a defender and the game was amazing except for the obvious missile meta, crossplay missing, server stability issues, etc. The core gameplay was almost perfect but they had to change that for some reason.l

[sinful echo]

Devs listened to the wrong complaints

[heady nest]

Or listened to the right complaints but figured fixing things sorrounding the main issue would fix it in proximity lol

[steady arrow]

Yeah, some of the concerns comes from the vision of the devs with how casual they want this game to be/feel..Wasn't a big fan of that and also everything that's falling apart that's not in the patch notes when these become public.. all of a sudden prompts are broken and inputs won't register yet people still try to defend how good this is for the game😂☠️I don't know anymore.. I love this game deeply but it's becoming harder and harder to have fun while playing it.

[lavish niche]

Eh, you are not accounting for downwards magnus shoot passes. That can easily kill any defenders in any position if you are very good at shooting precisely. It'll not matter if you have marked an attacker. You can't possibly stop all possible sequences that happens. So your job is to make the GK have an easier save. Just like in real life football

[lavish niche]

If I voice chat through Discord/In-game voice the general direction I want them to run to with my shoots, even if I overshoot. Most of the time my attackers I play with either lob to the other attacker for the easy volley confirm.

Timing the jump for the precise volley block is hard for most people so I have the people on the back to just focus on blocking the goal. Rather to just stop the ball early with a jump. The most hardest balls to jump block or even save are always the balls that go off your camera. If you want to try to grasp learning how to block them, you need to be in tune on how the volley/shoot registers. And you must be able to predict them to even come close to effectively blocking.

Problem is that there's a shooting exploit that can cause you to shoot in a manner that totally mismatches the animation by flicking wide(more than about 90* of rotation I think without strict testing) that's only doable on controller due to no lock ons on hitting shoot. Good thing is that I only ever seen 1 guy in Asia doing it. His volleys and shoots are neigh impossible to stop because of it as he is able to get the gunshot volleys/shoots to work consistently due to the mismatched animation and the perfect shots he hits.

[tropic compass]

patch 5 prio is easier to get as defender, its any prio both volley and header, def stance slide is still in the game but noticeably better

[steady arrow]

why can't they remove the slide😭☠️it's been how long now? since Aug 30 with patch 3 that d stance sliding is in the game☠️

[steady arrow]

appreciate you letting me know tho🤝I can't wait to try it! How's the prompts?

[tropic compass]

havent played enough to notice prompt issues

i did get tackled once and it halved my screen size and then crashed my game when i tried to put it back to normal resolution

pretty potent tech

[lavish niche]

It's kinda not there*

The problem is that they do have resultant vectors that they need to keep track proper

[steady arrow]

In patch 4, sometimes either a pass or a shot would be close to you and for some reason you wouldn't get a prompt to control the ball or intercept it..hopefully that's fixed because that was introduced in patch 4 and it made defending super inconsistent imo

[tropic compass]

i meant on patch 5

[lavish niche]

I think has been like this since beta. Certain moves must/can be buffered earlier than indicated

[tropic compass]

hes talking about not even getting a diamond

which is a patch 4 thing

[lavish niche]

I'm pretty sure the diamond prompt issue been a thing for awhile since before patch 4

Because I've seen really early aerial pushball animations that happens because you were pressing them when the game accepts the input despite the UI lock on hasn't shown. It's also basically how pushball works normally too

So I'm sure it's intended behaviour

[steady arrow]

Not to be rude, but I wasn't. At least, it wasn't this obvious and inconsistent. It did happen during certain prio scenarios but now it's happening anywhere on the field. If this is intended, then it's cooked for me personally 😂You're not rewarded for being in a dominant position because whenever the ball is coming your way..who knows if you'll get a prompt or not.. It creates this frustrating guessing game that wasn't there previously. Whenever I was in a good position defensively, I would intercept the ball 9/10 times now it's always 50/50 and I'm being generous lol I didn't lose my defensive iQ positioning from one patch to another😂☠️

[tropic compass]

no, its a ball flying by in range with no prompt showing and no input being taken

it happens frequently

[lavish niche]

I'm not sure but I do know that certain balls that go over your head cannot be manipulated by push ball and if the ball travels on the ground pretty quick requires a really early input for you to get something to happen

[steady arrow]

bro that didn't happen before patch 4. That's what I'm saying. not sure if it's a bug or intended but it's not fun and needs to be refined because it makes the flow of the game feel inconsistent and random.