#New Update is Atrocious

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wild trout
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Please please please revert the changes from this update. Dribbling is absolutely unusable and is just awful. We can't high speed flicker anymore, can't ippy effectively, can't ee rainbow or golden boost properly. Dribbling was already pretty weak last patch and now it's unusable. I know you guys are trying to deal with missile meta, and nerfing dribbling into the ground is the last possible way to do that. If dribbling is useless, then people will just missile even more.

hazy dirge
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flicker should be removed entirely tbh

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ppl were doing missile meta b4 and it hasnt increased bcz of the changes 🤷

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its just harder to defend rn - not being used more often.

uncut mason
hazy dirge
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No you did

wild trout
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flicker should not be removed at all

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it needs to be buffed massively

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it either needs the speed increase it had last patch, or it needs to regain the i-frames it had from a few patches ago

echo tree
vapid palm
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Are you trolling? I feel like if you're actually pressed about dribbling its a skill issue. I've had no trouble dribbling this patch even after the nerfs. Besides, this game wasn't made to focus on dribbling. If you don't like it head back to fifa

echo tree
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u cant beat anyone anymore

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its boring

vapid palm
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Im legit cooking more than 2 ppl at the same time consistently

echo tree
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?

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maybe some shit ass players

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yeah

vapid palm
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I just dont run with the ball all the way up field and then try to shoot it. I pass when free.

echo tree
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im sure u are

vapid palm
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You sound very insecure

echo tree
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so when everyone is guarded right?

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and u beat ur guy

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but wait.

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pushball is gone

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so u cant go more than 3 meters without the guy jus catching up

vapid palm
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Pass the ball.

echo tree
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thats boring.

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when i have little jimmy on my team

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i cant pass it to him since he loses it anyway

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whats the point

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that cant be the only option

vapid palm
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U are a bad person

hazy dirge
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remove all the glitchy bs.

vapid palm
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I'm still playing the game and having fun, but that's because I'm not egotistical.

echo tree
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there is no skill ceiling now

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all u can do is pass

hazy dirge
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ye im not gonna say offense is perfect but we dont need shit like that to make it work

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ppl want proper mechanics not garbage that only works bcz it is visually broken

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im totally fine with them adding intentional mechanics in place of that stuff

echo tree
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what do u consider broken?

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like golden boost shit right?

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and flickers?

hazy dirge
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not really tbh, Im not a fan of gb but it can work with some more smoothing

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dislike all the dribble mechanics rn tbh

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anything that relies on magnetism drags or abrupt turns with no logical animation build up

echo tree
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thats fair

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i agree

hazy dirge
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they only work due to being misleading

echo tree
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but why take out shit like a normal pushball

hazy dirge
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im not saying its not skilled, im saying most ppl just dont want to deal with that

echo tree
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its hella slow rn

hazy dirge
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thats down to the devs and their summary of how to make shit work ig

echo tree
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ig

hazy dirge
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i really dont mind difficult mechanics. I just want them to look less glitchy and misleading so that when they work you are actually outplayed rather than misled visually thats all

echo tree
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yeah

hazy dirge
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rn the devs are in a bit of remove before adding state so things just suck rn for everyone

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just have to hope they know what they are doing and in the long run it all works out lol

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the annoying this is the actual dribbling stance moves do work when ppl use them well - its just the defenders hitbox/tackle is so fkn big that it doesnt matter half the time

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can only assume they dont lean into them bcz their netcode/servers cant handle those sort of decisions 🤷

grim bramble
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silver you're not going a great job making this argument

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if you can't beat someone in the dribble it's hard to open up passing lanes

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you can't date defensive scrambles by beating a man mark. this makes man marking extremely strong and binary

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with defensive dives being so strong right now it makes stacking the box extremely effective at stopping offense and now dribbling to try and create pressure is just griefing because it's so weak against competent defenders

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defenders can afford to take what would normally be massive mistakes and still catch up to a ball carrier

rustic marsh
hazy dirge
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respectfully you have most short-sighted takes

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look at the state of the player count. Everyone left because they aren't interested in the meta (not just cross volley). This is the reality, majority of ppl dont want that crap regardless of cross volley🤷

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my casual take was more of an observation than a take tbh. Ppl spam missile now but they spammed it b4 too alongside using glitchy ass mechanics. These ppl use the most effective strats available. Fair enough, killing the game though.

hazy dirge
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This imo is the short-sighted rosetinted glasses opinion many ppl who leant into the mechanics have and now it continues to shackle the game. They fear that removing the mechanics that are currently abused means having a game without any skill ceiling when in reality the whole point is to introduce properly designed mechanics that everyone appreciates

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Legitimately, the majority of the current "pro" scene are killing this game 🤷

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Every single post I see talking about skill ceiling are strikers who cant abuse glitches as easily or defenders who are (rightfully so atm) pissed. The root cause is the mechanics being corrected that had this game's hands tied behind its back. Yes its been done at a questionable time, yes it sucks, yes the game came out way to early, yes now is better than never if the game wants to actually grow.

That is a fact, not a take.

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Add to that the amount of clips I see of ppl saying "wtf is this tech?" and it's a striker abusing butchered animation breaks and even still getting completely read but denied the tackle/block leads to a situation where one person have an inflated concept of skill and others see a broken game and leave.

rustic marsh
hazy dirge
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no

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games been dead bro

rustic marsh
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I see what you mean

hazy dirge
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ive played since the first open request betas. First beta felt the best. But back then not many ppl were abusing mechanics yet

rustic marsh
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but that happens w every game tho..people use to love no build fortnite when everyone was bad at it haha but I see what you mean tho

hazy dirge
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agreed, but it was particularly unfortunate for rematch

rustic marsh
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I'm just pissed about them pushing a patch that breaks stuff that was perfect beforehand

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it's definitely a more "niche" game but like I said these half assed patches aren't helping too tho.

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and I might be wrong but it looks like the devs really want to push team play and limit people holding the ball too long and that may be the reason why they nerf movement and dribbling and I think it's not the best of ways to promote team play imo..

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I'm not against team play but I'm definitely against nerfing everything around solo play to force you into playing a certain style

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it's just a bad "fix" and creates this stale gameplay where we just pass the ball around and the games were low scoring games (back in patch 3) now the game is broken w the prompts so there's definitely more goals

hazy dirge
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it may have felt perfect, but they are the devs, they are the ones who have access to the code. If they have to change something that breaks a current feature for more stability and eventually more flexibility in implementing their own intended and designed mechanics, thats what they have to do.

They should have done all this before. I was praying they wouldn't release the game so fast bcz I knew shit was just not ready to go yet. But here we are. You say my take is casual but I argue that my take is the opposite of casual - I am willing to wait a long time to play the game that I saw a glimpse of in the early betas. The ppl quitting bcz X or Y mechanic that they relied so heavily on got adjusted are the ones that dont actually care about the games long term health or simply don't understand the real situation this game is in right now.

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Again, shit is cooked and we ARE in beta rn. But if you love the game you shouldnt care about that you should care about a game that potentially could be as successful as rocket league. Very, very easily.

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I want mechanics. I want high skill ceiling. I want team plays, I want mechanical gods, I want strategic geniuses. But the way it was before was not it

rustic marsh
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it definitely does have potential for sure. I just hate seing the skill gap reduced on my end. I don't even use those techs/glitches I'm a defender and just pass the ball around w some techs here a d there

hazy dirge
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I come from RL and heavily abuse flip resets and all that jank so I'm not anti "unintended" but it has to make sense and fit in with the game to be worth keeping

rustic marsh
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fair I definitely agree

hazy dirge
rustic marsh
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hey...my bad bro..I misunderstood/misjudged your take on the game that's on me🤝

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I'm passionate about this game and played over 300h easily and to see it become like this is frustrating but I'm hopeful that they'll fix the state of the game

hazy dirge
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yes its scuffed but literally we are in beta rn basically lol its backwards but it is what it is. Ye they should probably not just rip out core systems without buffing other stuff but thats just not how they operate i guess lmao. All of my opinions are heavily coped on the fact they aren't braindead and know what they are doing but just messed up (Very likely, only 2nd online game and this one is much more ambitious so I give them slack personally). If they actually get the core systems to a state that they concretely understand what is going on they should (and hopefully) be able to start adding stuff back in

rustic marsh
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I appreciate the optimism

hazy dirge
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I have literally never played a game like rematch felt during the first beta.

rustic marsh
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at the end of the day I just want to enjoy playing this game again

hazy dirge
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I will trade everything to get that game back

rustic marsh
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I really liked this game before patch 3 didn't play it at early beta since I'm a console player

rustic marsh
hazy dirge
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ye. My opinion basically boils down to cope 🤷 Im heavily coping that they are only removing stuff rn to cut out the stuff they cannot work with in terms of serviceability or however tf game design works im not an expert lol

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with the goal of re-implementing stuff that we can use to increase the skill ceiling again

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if their goal is actually just to go for stripped down passing plays then I'm with you - that's a massive mistake and they would have misjudged the playerbase at that point. Most ppl fell in love with the first betas bcz the game was way more than just passing or strategic football.

rustic marsh
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yup that's the only thing I'm scared of but they must know that their game is more than just a futbol game

hazy dirge
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I think so. the fact they are trying not to remove stuff adds claim to that point tbh

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but its ending up breaking other stuff in the process