#If this update goes through, rematch is a dead game. (regarding next patch)

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rotund thorn
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Patch #3 was supposed to be released this week. Is it compromised then ?

terse lion
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this is more dangerous kekw

rigid trail
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I think even a specialist couldn't give an information we don't have

rotund thorn
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Imo I think beta servers should last longer

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barely had time to try it out

terse lion
mint lynx
rotund thorn
terse lion
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Like no need to explain what you think went wrong, or any actual in-depth information

rotund thorn
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Also we desperatly need a roadmap too

terse lion
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More just saying like, "The changes to EE movement/dribbling movement were not all intended. We are currently looking into what caused these and what we need to do to fix them and will keep all of you updated as we find out more."

rotund thorn
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I think they said they have plan to release one this year

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maybe for saison 1

mint lynx
terse lion
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Yeah exactly

mint lynx
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owners of 3k of concerning msgs would all be settled

terse lion
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That super small statement is extremely non-commital, doesn't require you to guess on information, and alleviates a lot of concerns the community might have

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What I WILL say, however, is that the time you've taken Rob to respond to things has been honestly the shining light so far

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My experience with the past dev that communicated with me (Vinnie) was genuinely the worst experience I've ever had communicating with a dev in the 14 years of game testing and game balancing experience I've gone through

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I mean no offense, I just think he was not ready for how unrelentingly dumb gamers are

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And got super jaded

left rampart
mint lynx
terse lion
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Another example of good communication would be on how patch 2 came out. There was a tentative date for that Monday, but then nothing was said until Tuesday. I think letting people know you were struggling with getting the Xbox patch approved and that it might be delayed because of that is something that is generally well understood tbh

mint lynx
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causing 3k msgs on this thread

left rampart
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its like updating ur girlfriend thru the day

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gamers need to be nurtured

mint lynx
terse lion
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Ok except my gf needs like 40 updates a day

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Please don't ping us that many times

mint lynx
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when you forget them while playing for a hour or two you are roasted

left rampart
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🙏

mint lynx
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same thing ngl

terse lion
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As a side note

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I've generally been whatever about the communication personally, though I know it needs to be done for others

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EXCEPT

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for leaderboard

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I'm a little salty on that one...I need to watch funny number go up

left rampart
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i must be higher lp than i can fly day..

terse lion
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what are you at

left rampart
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i stopped looking a month ago

terse lion
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fair

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I looked for the first time in like a month ish

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saw 5k

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I have legit no clue how that compares

mint lynx
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as someone who grinded 500 hours for this game. As long as I'm told that changes are unintented. and they are going to be fixed even if it costs delay of the patch I'll be happy.

BUT as a player I think pushing the patch while keeping the bugs in game (If its as important as Core Movement) and patching them with Patch 4. Would be the wrong move.

Because Core movement is not same as GK's catching inside the goal bug. it cannot be postponed

terse lion
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I mean real talk

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They can make all of these same mistakes, but if they communicated better

left rampart
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i would say thats p high but then i also know there are ppl with 600+ hrs and people who exclusively 5stack and stop after 2 losses in a row

terse lion
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People would be a lot more chill

terse lion
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So I can learn defense and GK

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So I can beat it later

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That experience is actually how I discovered how insanely broken the roles are ngl

left rampart
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my lp is prolly a lot lower than it should be cuz i use ranked exclusively to limit test

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i am not passing it backwards to keeper i am taking the 1v3 dribble duel

terse lion
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I'll pass back to keeper

left rampart
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and then run out of stamina after the first 2

terse lion
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with a heater at our top corner

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gotta check the reflexes

left rampart
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honestly id be ok with no dribble tech other than forward dash cancel if stamina was a little higher

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i dont rly use too much more

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i just run out of stam

terse lion
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if they nerfed defense appropriately

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you can take out all dribble moves

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idc

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I only use them to pass anyways

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anyways good talk

left rampart
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backwards vexis is also just a better ippy

terse lion
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hope I don't wake up to a disaster

left rampart
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good mov e

terse lion
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but I have work in 2 and a half hours 🙃

placid elbow
left rampart
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bro

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LMFAO

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we were in scrims last night

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and i did it

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and i just ran away from the ball cuz it didnt pick up

placid elbow
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yup

left rampart
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i got the sound effect n im like

terse lion
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exit lag

left rampart
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wait a minute

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where ball

terse lion
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one of my friends was getting like 90 ping

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exit lag brought them down to 40

left rampart
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does it work if its just server spikes tho

terse lion
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well I mean

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if the server is dying no

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but it optimizes your routing

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so it reduces spikes

left rampart
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cuz i rarely have over 20 ping

terse lion
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if it's your own network's fault

left rampart
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it only goes higher when server is farting

terse lion
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yeah that won't change

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at least then nobody can vex dash

left rampart
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or we get put on turkish servers for some reason cuz we cant choose server in customs Smile

terse lion
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bruh sometimes

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the game puts me on turkish

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because it's right next to US central

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in the list

left rampart
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we scrimmed on turkish servers once

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never again

terse lion
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ALSO, I have to say it is REALLY confusing that there is a vex and a vexis in NA and EU and they all make fucking mechs

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It gets so confusing

left rampart
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some eu teams here also have a setplay called vexis for some reason

terse lion
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yeah idk man

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things get called vex and vexis interchangeably

vague herald
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Cant wait to catch up on this after my meeting

terse lion
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It made me really sad

vague herald
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Just give me the perfect pass bro..

terse lion
left rampart
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i am in fact not a striker i am a midfielder do not mispronoun me

left rampart
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brain off monkey see monkey shoot

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🙄

terse lion
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Meanwhile my crosshair is getting dragged to another continent trying to shoot 🙁

vague herald
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The bad strikers just afk at edge and tap blue to TP to pass

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🙂

left rampart
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PREACH PLEASE

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reptil keeps flaming us for hitting posts

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im like brother go pick up a controller, u try

vague herald
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I just make fun of you for it

terse lion
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I’ll aim dead center goal and it drags me so far forward I hit the crossbar

left rampart
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o my god finally

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i am being heard

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and then i somehow get it top bins and i dont even get a ''tekkers!!''

terse lion
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Watching MnK clips where they just calmly aim and shoot and it goes right where they aimed tilts me

left rampart
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and then they still hit wall

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what is UR excuse pal

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hmm??

terse lion
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Meanwhile my clips I’m literally adjusting my crosshair as it yanks around like 3-4 separate times

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(Not hyperbolic btw)

left rampart
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the most egregious one is when u drag sideways with blue

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and the cursor drags

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and then snaps back

terse lion
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Yep

astral moth
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This patch removes this exact level of thinking. The literal best way to play is to not engage people far out of the box and only pressure those looking for that "shot" opportunity when they get a little too close. Its crazy turtling since everyone is gonna realize the better way to play is to sit in the penalty and wait for the offense to make an easy mistake since they have even less options to worry about

left rampart
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so even if u compensated, its still off

astral moth
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Also no one would cry about a EE nerf if offense was given better general options to make plays. If a EE nerf was intended then it should be extremely small until they give those options but honestly id much rather see a patch introduce a new mech and then slowly start nerfing EE as it gets added rather than Nerf EE -> wait months until a new patch to get mechs and better options

terse lion
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I’d rather just nerf defenders and GKs tbh, but you’re not wrong Elanator

astral moth
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I think everyone gets EE is slightly overtuned but like its kinda necessary as it currently stands imo

terse lion
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Wait wtf you’re an OS player?

astral moth
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Ya since it cane out lol

terse lion
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How do I not recognize you PepeHands

astral moth
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Mmm I do a lot of background stuff

left rampart
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i dont even want defense to be gutted i just want AOI in general for everyone to be much smaller requiring surgical play and have stand tackle NOT be the go-to answer to most situations u find urself in

terse lion
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Are you EU?

astral moth
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I helped bestie a few times with their Os tourney stuff

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Nah NA

terse lion
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Oh wtf

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Idk then…my bad

astral moth
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I didnt go super far into OS since I wasnt on a team

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Just casually sat in challenger and played the occasional fun tourney when needed

terse lion
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Just jarring cause usually I’m good about seeing eevryone

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You’re sneaky I guess

astral moth
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Ya I like making content rather than playing

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Mostly talk to ratman or ANamedplayer about stuff

terse lion
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Tbf I like anything over playing OS nowadays

left rampart
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whats OS

astral moth
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Yeah I would say the same but I literally went back and been playing a little since im bored of RM recently lol

terse lion
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Omega Strikers

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Dead game, but really strong community

left rampart
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oh that game

astral moth
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Strong enough for me to buy a julie plushDrekBusinessOkayge

left rampart
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i had fun on launch i just didnt have anyone to play with then i tried to come back later n it was dead

terse lion
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A game where I was in the comp scene, desperately tried to tell the devs some massive issues that would cause a lot of players to leave, was ignored, game died and players started leaving, they then released those features a year later PepeHands

astral moth
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Yeah... gg

left rampart
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sounds like us in for honor

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cept its somehow still alive

terse lion
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I mean, for honor is “alive”

astral moth
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Ive been planning a retrospective video for a while just havent got around to it

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I like the devs but man they made some bad mistakes

terse lion
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I was privy to a lot of the decisions since beta

astral moth
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Yeah I think ive seen or heard about you from many people I just can't remember where

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I also got access to many of the pros in bestie so Imma cook when I get around to it

terse lion
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I was in NASA, won several tournaments, took part in a ton of the balance things (was a part of like 5 balance tests and also on the patch team with Lyarri and Vaughn)

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Technically in NASL really early on 😂

astral moth
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Itll be a big score of a video for sure so imma take a long ass time for it

terse lion
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And coached a little over 250 different players

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Also a serial yapper

astral moth
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Yeah I came in to help a little later with the NASA stuff so I know those two pretty well. Prob just after you kinda dipped im guessing

terse lion
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I was in this last season

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On ADR

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Was also on LLC a few seasons ago

astral moth
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Hm maybe im tripping I helped on TTS and Launchpad stuff around then

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I cooked for their promo vid on it, its on my channel even though it was a rushed project

terse lion
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I was Twi’s brawler

astral moth
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Yeah I might just be tripping

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I dont do a whole lot of interacting with the pros and instead just whip up their content when needed. Etir mostly is the middleman

terse lion
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Hey fair enough

unreal cosmos
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All i know is, guys just pass the ball !!! Thats what soloclap want and why they nerf the glitched dribs with EE, so play

terse lion
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Oh no

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They’re back

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The “just pass the ball 5head” group is inevitable

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That definitely signals bed time

slim heath
astral moth
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Sloclap unironically creating another bullet meta of desperation

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This one's extremely artificial though

terse lion
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Duh

restive light
astral moth
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Kms if they dont change somethinggarold

astral moth
# restive light wdym

The only way to even MAYBE catch the defenders off guard is gonna be a bullet shot with this patch

terse lion
# restive light wdym

The only other way to actually generate offense against actually good defenders was through the mechs they, seemingly accidentally, removed from the game. While they nerfed missiles, this removal of any other option will inevitably force offenses to continue missiling

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It’ll just be less effective

astral moth
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That would mean you're playing against the worst of all time though since even a gold will now be able to play defense perfectly with this patchhesright

terse lion
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This is due to defenders and GK: being too strong right now

restive light
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considering how much attention this thread got in 5 days they are probably changing some stuff

terse lion
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You would hope

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I have faith in Rob

astral moth
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Ive seen devs do this before...

terse lion
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He carries my hopes and dreams

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He determines if I’m happy in life with rematch

astral moth
terse lion
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Or if I age into a sad, pained old man

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With no rematch

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All lies on the shoulders of our almighty Rob

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Praise be

unreal cosmos
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I know all the mechs they nerf and what, i like the new patch is better for teams who play passing the ball, baiting defenders and keepers so? U mean is dead cuz they nerf some individual mechs ?

astral moth
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There is no baiting the defenders anymore lol

terse lion
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Tbf there never was

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It was only missiles

astral moth
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Yeah true

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Now defense got a larger window to maybe save it

unreal cosmos
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Extra effort pass is a good bait, L2 +X + pass ground or air... so guys you know how to play the game or just baiting us?

terse lion
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Here’s the deal MaoMao, I’ll say it because nobody else will and I’m sorry if this hurts…you’re permanently name gapped by a certain flying Lemur, your grandmother can’t bake proper cookies, and you’re a Teemo main (nothing needs to be added here).

unreal cosmos
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Missile is shit and im really happy they nerf that.

astral moth
terse lion
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I also say words for fun cause they sound like I know what I’m saying you know what I mean?

astral moth
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and me personally I dont want to see missle nerfed just to see the only new way to score is from volleys over lob pass instead even though thats most likely never going to happen

unreal cosmos
terse lion
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??

astral moth
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yeah gg

terse lion
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Are you talking about the NA team?

astral moth
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ill see my way out

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All Ill say is it doesnt take even a top pro in the world to see what effect these changes will have in the "effective meta" of this next patch

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the time doesnt matter either since just seeing the change in the practice range says enough maybe outside of playing a few games to test the priority changes

terse lion
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I’m down to be wrong ngl

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Like I desperately hope I’m wrong

astral moth
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I cant see it happening

terse lion
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I haven’t been wrong yet

astral moth
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but like im also slightly biased since I believe EE should be the unique set piece of the game

terse lion
astral moth
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not relegated to a "RUN FASTER" button

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I didnt buy rematch to play degraded football at an extremely slow pace

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thats just me though since everyone plays it for dif reasons

terse lion
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But 7 minute OT grinders are what make it fun

restive light
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I genuinely hope the update comes today with them having fixing ee and movement

terse lion
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Same

astral moth
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This thing right here is what I miss from OS im ngl

terse lion
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I also will be honest, I was desperately hoping that the balance changes I suggested before were on the crossplay patch

astral moth
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Beta OS with them ass clenching win by 2 format had me shaking ngl

terse lion
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This patch is very important to feel good

astral moth
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especially with ball speed being fast as fuck😭

terse lion
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Beta OS was peak

astral moth
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RM almost got the same format going of Beta so I like playing a lot more

terse lion
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Except no evade

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That wasn’t peak

astral moth
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this man here

terse lion
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I’ve always been a short games kinda guy

astral moth
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kill this man your honor

terse lion
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Evade is peak

astral moth
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he scares me in OS beta your honor

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yeah old format tested with evade mighta been extremely fun

terse lion
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Mfw I’m Juli getting 20 KOs per game in a 7 minute average game length

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(Not hyperbolic btw)

astral moth
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I could live with a juli killing me in beta

terse lion
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You can’t on launch?

astral moth
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I cant live when drek shotguns me 6 times from the middle of the map and pushes me into the wall in stun lockxdd

mighty vessel
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Same tbh

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The patch for me is really good

astral moth
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drek was a fucking MENACE I say

terse lion
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You might be right tbh

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We didn’t utilize him properly

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God imagine Aimi if people were the level they are now

astral moth
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there was like one guy I remember him just grinding in tourneys back then

terse lion
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Kill me

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Ignis?

astral moth
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and the fucking street map variant was tourney legal😭

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probably

mighty vessel
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Will the patch release today? Would be cool

astral moth
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just showed how fucking lethal of a combo that shit is

terse lion
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Yeah it’s scary

astral moth
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didnt even need juli when u can play shotgun juli

mighty vessel
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wtf yall talking about

terse lion
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Patch is supposed to come out today but nothing fully confirmed yet I don’t believe

terse lion
astral moth
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nightmares

mighty vessel
mighty vessel
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Too lazy to read all that

astral moth
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fucking lizard

terse lion
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It’s when you do a secondary into primary, but instead you it’s ranged and you use a shotgun

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Yeah held by a lizard

mighty vessel
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what

terse lion
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Allows you to create space on the field to score later

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Good to break through strong defenses

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But they nerfed it

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With evade…fucking hate that blue meter

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It’s so op

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That’s why it’s so hard to score on defenses these days Ykwim?

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Nowadays shotguns don’t work

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Gotta use bazookas and missiles

astral moth
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I FOUND IT💀

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look at this shit

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ONE PRIMARY😭

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ONEEE launches that far

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A MENACE I SAY

terse lion
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Ohhhh Int!!!!

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I forgot he played a lot of Drek

astral moth
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I mean anyone that did at a high level could slam people if excuted right

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man just comparing him to today

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such a different time for drek mains

terse lion
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I mean look at Juli

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She literally has less knockback than Era beam on her primary

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Not kidding

astral moth
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yeah im seeing it at the end

terse lion
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Juli then compared to now

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Is insane

astral moth
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it looks smooth as hell though since it seems much faster or maybe shes able to get out of the animation to strike the core fast

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idk maybe thats just beta tho since even flicking the ball would red crit it

terse lion
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It’s cause it’s faster

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You can do all those cancels now

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They just move slow af

astral moth
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yeah thats what I thought

terse lion
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Anyways bed time for me

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Waking up in like an hour for work 😂

astral moth
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I got work in an hour as well but I slept at least

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grrrrrrr I shoulda made a video about this change but I stopped in case it was a bug

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if only they clarified I coulda made a bangerCatMunch

vague herald
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I like this though, you get more interactions on ball and get to do more stuff, its cool

mint lynx
vague herald
mint lynx
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a defender can tackle you wrong and then the moment you try to open distance by sprint pushing it wont work. defender's 2nd tackle will take the ball

vague herald
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Well with this I also agree with you

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Nerf stand tackle

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Remove stand tackle heatseeking onto dribble moves and give it longer recovery

mighty vessel
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Why

vague herald
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Because stand tackle is by far and above the best button in the game

mint lynx
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defending is okay rn as long as offense is kept strong

mighty vessel
vague herald
mint lynx
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even now with all the GBs and stuff a good defender will still take the ball due to offense being stamina heavy

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but if take dribble's speed as well and replace it with sluggish movement

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offense wont start

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people saying "JuSt PasS bRo" probably has 50 hours not knowing a perfect off-ball non dribble passing is impossible

vague herald
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Its a must

mint lynx
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Golden boost and other techs are at least buggy but at least they are skill expression in a way.

Patch 3 comes along with Flicker dash into maximum speed dribbling without any difficult imputting. Just time your push and max speed dribble and change of direction with pushcut

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that requires even less skill than GB and rewards the player more than GB

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Defending beta's dribble and movement changes is logically impossible

vague herald
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Im all for fast cut being better

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Its my go-to because most other dribble moves feel bad

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Vexis dash is good but gets fucked by bad ping

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Ippy is nigh useless in good lobbies

mint lynx
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ippy is useful with pushcut combined

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dribble stance ippies are also useful

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if you can manage them

vague herald
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You might as well just pushcut at that point

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why use the extra stamina and risk with ippy

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Id rather fake ippy to then do pushcut

mint lynx
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that I agree but at least they are options

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patch 3 removes everything

vague herald
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Cold cut highkey good

mint lynx
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Idk if its called cold cut but you can ippy from a dribble stance push

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and thats the move im talking about

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so many different names for techs

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I cant follow em all

mint lynx
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and push cut is way easier than GB

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and will be more rewarding than GB

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Its easy to see which is worse

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EVEN if someone cant push cunt they just can spam flicker dash

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to get maximum speed and direction change

vague herald
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Cold cut is picking up a loose ball from far away by tapping defensive stance

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Extends your pickup range

mint lynx
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thats good as well I use it to blade shot

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you can use it's momentum to short lob into volley which is blade shot without push

mint lynx
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rewarding untalented flicker dash spammers. punishing talented dribble stance and core elemental dribblers

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fix the speed glitch and keep the movement changes and now dribbling is gone completely

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not a threat anymore

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in no way these movement changes are defendable and they werent written in patch notes so I can only assume its a bug

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and will be fixed

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Not in PATCH 4

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but RN

celest moat
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we're cooked cuh

mint lynx
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it needs to be addressed so badly

celest moat
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The entire game is

mint lynx
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if it is indeed intented we are cooked

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if its not intented but fix comes with patch 4

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we are still cooked

celest moat
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Ye

mint lynx
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but if it gets fixed and patch 3 comes with only volley nerfs

celest moat
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Full release btw hesright

mint lynx
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Sloclap will be the cook

celest moat
mint lynx
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I wanna be their tester so bad

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ngl

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because I can spot these changes the moment I take controls to my hands

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but somehow they slip through unnoticed

mint lynx
celest moat
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Ok so if they remove evert bullshit dribbling move, what could they improve with the intend3d mechanics?

mint lynx
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so im okay if its delayed

rotund thorn
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To remove endless tackles circus situations

mint lynx
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I would nerf it

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by reducing the distance of Push In EE IF direction is changed

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this will cause GB to not TP travel long distances and keep it balanced

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I would bring back the first beta's offense. RN offense is too stam heavy

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at first Defenders couldnt do anything because players' skills were bad. Now people got used to it and good defender is pretty much OP

celest moat
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Imo, they should just make wayyy more dribbling skills, like why tf is dribble stance even a thing, those moves are ass also because of netcode

mint lynx
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dribble stance is a good fake tool

rotund thorn
celest moat
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Instead ppl use this bs cuz the other options are not good

rotund thorn
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Like ippy slide should not be a hidden mechanic

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and should be explained in tutorial

vague herald
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Its absolutely horrendous gameplay that the BEST option when the ball is in a corner is just to stare at it and wait for the other guy to pick it up or do something

mint lynx
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yeah

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before I could slip away with cold cut

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but with tackle changes even if i do I get tackled after taking the ball

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💀

rotund thorn
# vague herald In certain situations I agree with you

Mainly I'm thinking of situations where you are receiving a through ball while having an opponent next to you. Often it's better to let the opponent steal the ball to stand tackle him right after to get the ball back. This makes no sense

mint lynx
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damn rollback

celest moat
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It's all a mess my dear fellas

mint lynx
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because everyone is equal

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its all mind games

celest moat
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I still push the idea that we should scrap the buffer mechanic, make it a timing based mechanic

rotund thorn
mint lynx
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Tho timing still effects actions

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buffer is way too much

vague herald
# celest moat Imo, they should just make wayyy more dribbling skills, like why tf is dribble s...

Most of the intended dribble moves are bad because of 2 things that arent netcode.
1: They extend your hitbox. Yes I do not know why this is but if you for an example do a sidewards dribble, the defender can tackle the position you were in BEFORE dribbling and still get tackled. This is also the case for backwards dribble, the only "good" standard dribble move is the forward dribble, which is why fast cut is so popular.

2: Stand tackle heatseeks onto standard dribble moves. This one is still so confusing to me, if someone close to you does a dribble move and ALL you do is press tackle with no directional movement, the tackle will heatseek onto the dribble and get him.

celest moat
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Good timing means more power more precision etc

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Poop timing the opposite of course

mint lynx
vague herald
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It removes all skill from defending dribblers

mint lynx
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+1

vague herald
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Literally let go of your stick and press tackle when he moves

mint lynx
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agreed

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from mid range doesnt work but close range

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yeah

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there were so many times I mis aimed my tackle but game took it for me doing a 180 tackle

vague herald
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It works from further away than it should because of how far tackle extends

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I could see the argument for it if u were literally kissing

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But he can be 1 meter away and get it for free

mint lynx
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true

vague herald
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Which is so weird to me because when defender is pressing you so close is EXACTLY when dribbling should make sense in actual football

celest moat
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Plus i dont think the overall movement is very good in the game, it's not fluid imo

mint lynx
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played first public beta ?

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it was the best

celest moat
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Like changing direction sometimes is so clunky

mint lynx
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it wasn't smooth animation wise

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but it was fast paced game

vague herald
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First beta was so good other than the server issues

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Rainbow flick was an actual dribble move

mint lynx
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everything about the core gameplay felt incredibly good in first public beta

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except the header spam

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tho that too was defendable with a bit of adapting and skill

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then came the Last beta

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buffing Defense

celest moat
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But im asking myself if it was good cuz everyone was a noob or if it was actually better and degraded

mint lynx
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nerfind Offense

mint lynx
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in my pc

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all the versions

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backed up

celest moat
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Damn

mint lynx
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it wasnt because people were noob

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I can analyze and see the changes for myself

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first beta was really better

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and they did degraded

celest moat
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Tell with max 3 words every part of the game that got worse

mint lynx
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For dribblers: Animation speed stam consumpt + stam regen nerfed
For strikers: Curving nerfed
For defenders: Pretty much nothing

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tackle aim assist boosted IG ?

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oh also some special effects are gone too

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in the earlier betas

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Powerful shots had RED trail behind them

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now every ball action is only white

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which is boring

mint lynx
celest moat
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I dont understand the shot rn, it's ass

mint lynx
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oh also

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GKs were basically SGGKs

celest moat
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Like the best use for it is passing

mint lynx
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they were very OP

celest moat
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Good or bad thing

mint lynx
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we dont have power shots thats for sure

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but curve nerf I dont understand as well

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Sloclap was too fast on balance changes

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as I have said

vague herald
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Curve nerf made sense

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Without curve nerf you never had any point in lower power balls

mint lynx
vague herald
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Now you have an actual tradeoff

mint lynx
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fair enough

celest moat
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Big mess, the overall balance is fucked up

mint lynx
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but overall first public beta's balance was better

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there were times devs suddenly introduced

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fake shot as well

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in the smaller close betas

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those didnt work great

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then they removed

celest moat
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Why tf isnt fske shot a thing bro

mint lynx
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its op

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ruins the gameplay

celest moat
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But it's basic football

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More than bullshit volleys

mint lynx
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but rematch aint basic football

celest moat
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Bro how is fake shot op and 5 meters volleys ok

mint lynx
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that aint okay as well

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but fake shot is basically I win button in 1v1

celest moat
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Bro we have fake shot already but with extra steps

mint lynx
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rematch is a fighting game in disguise

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lmao

celest moat
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U shoot above the keeper, if he jumps he's fucked

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It's the same

mint lynx
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but they can recover and still take the ball

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also the game helps you in those cases

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the moment shot is taken it shows you where the ball will fall

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music and sounds keeps being played

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But if the shot is aimed at the goal

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music and all the sfxes will be gone

celest moat
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But imagine, if 1vs1 is death, maybe ppl would stop camping

mint lynx
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those are cues you can take

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for fake shot there was no cue

celest moat
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Like having a 1vs1 situation means u fucked big time, so you should take a gol

vague herald
celest moat
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I dunno man, it's incoherent

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You can do a rainbow like it's nothing, but you cant fake a shot

mint lynx
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rematch doesnt try to be a football game

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its a football themed action game

celest moat
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...

mint lynx
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it doesnt make sense in football sense

celest moat
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I understand it's not normal football, but rematch is football

mint lynx
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but thinking by how the game works only

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non existence of fake shot makes sense

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In football there are power shots as well but rematch does not have it too

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but no one is complaining because... the game wasn't built on that mind

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the game feels more like futsal rather than football ngl

celest moat
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Ofc

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U can still fake in futsal

mint lynx
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since its 5v5. designed in teamplay heavy way. and GKs being OP

celest moat
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Lel

mint lynx
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our fake in this game is shooting to backboard

celest moat
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Ye, and it was op at the start

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Ppl falling for it 24/7

mint lynx
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if rematch tries to be realistic

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it will lose its charm

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and game will get slower

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what makes rematch fun is it's unrealistic aspects and it's fast pace

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while keeping football fundementals alive

celest moat
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I don't see how a fake shot removes that

mint lynx
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simple

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frame advantage

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if a jump animation and recover of a gk takes 1 sec

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or 1.5

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you cant create a realistic fake shot animation that takes 1 secs

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if they did

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people would complain why its so slow and trash instead

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the only true way to balance it would be it having a different animation

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and that would mean nothing

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it wouldnt be fake shot anymore

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cuz GKs wouldnt buy it

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so its meaningless to have such a thing in rematch

celest moat
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I dunno

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I dont really agree

vague herald
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The only fakeshot I think would fit in the game is to cancel shot animation into a pass

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To bait keeper to jump high

celest moat
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1vs1 should be the worst scenario for a team

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Easy for a striker

vague herald
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Not in Sloclaps vision

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GK is the raidboss

mint lynx
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sloclaps vision is similar to

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captain tsubasa rise of new champions

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they want fast paced fluid gameplay that includes lots of attacks

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offense heavy

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so its fun to watch

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and GKs as last boss

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for those attack to be stopped

celest moat
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Bro i get keeper is strong, but 1vs1 means the team didnt do.his job, you cant deny this

mint lynx
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yeah and you can score easily Rn the way it is

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no need for a fake shot

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fake shot would make that 100% goal

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1v1 shouldnt mean 100% goal

celest moat
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Sometimes it's easier to score with 2 defenders on you just because of volley

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But no fake shot is illegal

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I agree that putting fake shot now would be terrible

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But just because overall the game isn't good

vague herald
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Well volley is also not something theyre happy with thats why theyre nerfing it Smile

left rampart
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i still dont think fake shot would be that broken if it just forces a pushball after

celest moat
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If keeper jumps... skill issue

left rampart
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if u play patient u just EE at the loose ball

sleek night
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I would also like to mention that the two biggest complaints about the game right now was missile meta and yeeting the ball into the box being deemed boring and un-interactive.

What do you think is going to happen when you take away dribbling?

That people are gonna stop yeeting the ball into the box and hope for a volley goal?

That with the priority buffs shifted to the defender's favor isn't going to make the box so crowded that tiki tika becomes impossible?

These problems are genuinely going to get worse if you take away the ability to win your 1's by dribbling

left rampart
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yh i think the ppl going ''just pass m8'' dont understand that if you, as a defender, have to be worried about the guy infront of you blitzing past you if you're not spacing and timing correctly, you're not going to be as focused on shutting down their passing game because you have to account for both, which opens up the passing they so desperately want to be the focus of the game

when the defender doesnt have to worry about bachira ping pong bing chillinging past him, getting passes off directly becomes harder to do

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and then it leads to even more reliance on yeeting it into box

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because its the only high % play left for u

marsh panther
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All I want is for defenders to get a little more prio when contesting the ball in the box. Dribbling and blade spam ain’t really an issue imo.

sleek night
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Missiles actually just straight up don't work if you do a defensive stance jump in the right place at the right time. it's just that everyone goes for the 50 50 header and then complains they lose the 50 50 half of the time

left rampart
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i dont think they should

i think the range of interaction should be reduced for all so positioning, timing and accuracy determine who wins prio instead of right now where both defender and attacker get the ball in their influence zones and then the prio battle becomes very muddy and unclear because both get to teleport to the ball

sleek night
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Also keep in mind you cant really buff JUST defenders in this scenario. Buffing volley headers means attackers can volley header better now too

rotund thorn
left rampart
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im p sure they said theyre buffing jump block

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which is good

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i agree there should be a more reliable way to fight a high volley

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but offense needs a bump at the same time elsewhere

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if u always have a perfect answer to every offensive move with how little effort defense takes itll just become impossible to score at higher level

sleek night
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Buffing jump blocks would go miles if thats the only change they made tbh. I already get a ton of saves as a defender having labbed them out in their current form

mint lynx
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because as a defender you have done everything right

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and still got punished

left rampart
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yh especially when they bullet so ur p much out of the question for prio and then the only other option is try to sprint and block which will almost never reach

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but these missiles are necessary for as long as they are the only real effective way to score

sleek night
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Another option you can consider is screening the missile striker so he cant get to the ball in time to kick it

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Even a second or two is long enough to mess up these strats if they're letting it rip asap

left rampart
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its still hard cuz they get extra prio and earlier reticle

mint lynx
sleek night
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Yeah but its not impossible. Keep in mind how hard you get sent off course if you ee and bump into someone

left rampart
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ur also looking out for multiple different setplays

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so if u start defending bullet ur leaving another setplay run open

mint lynx
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the main problem is when you are out for a header but still cant stop the volley

sleek night
mint lynx
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watching the striker hit the volley mid air

left rampart
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ye which is fine

mint lynx
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with a finished header animation

left rampart
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its just that bullet is a bit egregious in how much u have to commit for it

mint lynx
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and falling

left rampart
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and how little they do

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but like i said its necessary until non missile options become viable

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else u will just not score on a good defense

sleek night
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Rn missiles arent impossible and can even be pretty consistent to stop if you block jump while you're almost kissing your striker at the point of impact tldr from me. Buffing block jumps could solve missiles pretty much completely imo

left rampart
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im alrdy getting good at the current shitty block im eating good if they actually do buff it

mint lynx
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but im good with current volley nerfs as well

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blade shot nerf as well

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the only + change about movement in patch 3 beta was

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being able to blade without needing to push the ball

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short lob into volley worked

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tho I would rather not have it than have the beta's movement in general

left rampart
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i dont see issue with bladeshot if u can jump block it post buff

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u already can stop it reliably as defender

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and outside of controller redirect, other shots arent beating a good keeper 1v1

vague herald
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I dont see the need to having bladeshot nerfed

mint lynx
vague herald
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Bladeshot was already just kind of whatever unless you got to shoot from inside box

vague herald
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This part i also dont get

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Its already impossible to get shots off from outside box

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You now have to be even closer to goal to have same success rate

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While keeper is still op and can just jump straight into your face as you shoot

mint lynx
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Aerial shots arent everything tho

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I welcome that change

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aerial volleys are unpredictable

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unlike ground shots

vague herald
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Definitely but its the most consistent way of beating out defenders to get a shot off

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What else are u gonna do

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Dribble?

mint lynx
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ground shot animations at least gives clues about where striker will shoot. Aerial doesnt

vague herald
left rampart
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aerial does

mint lynx
vague herald
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Aerial has very clear body turning

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Like very obvious

left rampart
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they do

vague herald
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If u look for it

mint lynx
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it might be controller players re aiming against me

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since they can change

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I aint GK but I dont notice them

vague herald
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Imagine every shot is reactable from keeper alone

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Good luck

mint lynx
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From close range its 50/50 anyway be it reactable or not

vague herald
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Not if he can read animation

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He already knows where youre shooting more often than not before ball even leaves ur feey

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Feet

mint lynx
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fair enough

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tho controller players are cunning and they do that aim change tech

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and hit somewhere else

left rampart
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ay man

mint lynx
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I always fall for it

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😭

left rampart
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as long as i keep getting dragged to mars on volley shots

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ima use my redirect to compensate

mint lynx
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Auto adjustment for the shot

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basically a form of TP

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I still saw it happening in beta of patch 3

left rampart
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in an ideal state

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both mouse and controller have the lock-on mouse has

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and then both can readjust within a circle around the lock-on point

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but idk how hard that is to do on the backend

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am not a programmer

vague herald
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Not very

surreal cedar
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Isn't that one of the things coming with the patch or did I misread it?

vague herald
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The bigger issue lies in how kbm would get to readjust

vague herald
left rampart
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wasd

vague herald
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Controller gets to have lockon

left rampart
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same as controller w movement

vague herald
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But not with redirect after

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He is saying ideally you get the lockon as is on kbm

surreal cedar
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Ahh got you

vague herald
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But with additional small readjustment before animation goes off

left rampart
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and then u can readjust within a smaller circle around the lock-on point

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yh

vague herald
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So like sort of mixing the two

left rampart
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i think it would also kill the controller redirect tech

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cuz u cant go that far

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anymore

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which is fine by me

vague herald
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Good

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Thats stupid anyway

left rampart
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im only using it as a bandaid anyway til real shots become viable

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actually can i tag @rigid trail with this cuz i actually think this is a very important change if its possible and if the devs agree with it

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sorry if its annoying

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dont need an answer just pointing out the suggestion

vague herald
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Oof idk about the ping i hope he doesnt mind

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Imagine Rob getting pinged with every change players think themselves is a good idea HAHA

left rampart
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yea but its me u know

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sorry rob

vague herald
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I would ping him with my takes on standard dribble moves and stand tackle

left rampart
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i will take my penance

mint lynx
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he has been here already and didnt make a comment

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we have been told here that beta had it issues

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thats all

vague herald
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This city needs you, Rob

left rampart
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ye i dont need a comment just wanted to point at the lock on thing

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but i shoulda made a thread

mint lynx
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and also the fact that they cant rush communication. when they dont know whats goin on themselves. and we said we just have to know if changes are intented or not we dont want in depth analysis

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update was supposed to be out today

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and its not out

vague herald
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How much to be a remote dev for Rematch

mint lynx
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so Ig we can tell its postponed and its good

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I want to be their tester

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ngl

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I have speedrunner mentality going with me. I always analyse core mechanics and try finding it's gaps sadly

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tho that would make me perfect tester

vague herald
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Last time i played a game where devs had a discord to get opinions from their top players they got ignored

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Actually scratch that

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The last TWO times

mint lynx
left rampart
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ok thread made

vague herald
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Now ping Rob in it

dry island
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If they take away EE and glitch mechanic abuses from the game that involved “individual skill expression” though that skill expression was just abuse of frames and a slight invulnerability to defenses, which heavily made the game unfun for majority of others including the missile crises, that involved no skill, I think the suggestions of just adding in game skill moves would be more efficient and matter more as it should be a rock paper scissor game rather than (Offensive meta mechanics overtaking everything in the game, “gives you automatic wins”) ppl who rely on broken mechanics are not skilled, however dribbling is in the game for a reason, they just need to adjust how to implement it and not be abused

vague herald
left rampart
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i will not be pinging rob

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ok but saying automatic wins just invalidates your credibility of having any constructive opinion but maybe thats just me

sleek night
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I dont particularly care if gb gets removed but the smaller things like ippy should stay

dry island
left rampart
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ippy is one of the worst dribble moves now that ppl are used to defending it

dry island
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Put it into more combinations and it’s a threat to some defenses

left rampart
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golden boost was good as a surprise move to force urself into box for then either a shot or a pass off, not something u could rely on consistently because again it gets defendable when u know what to look for

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i dont think that is bad to have

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it just looked very buggy

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which u can streamline and turn into an actual move

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with better clarity

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but u shouldnt throw out an old pair of shoes before u have a new one

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because then u just limit what offense can do and thus end up with nothing but missiles

dry island
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I think they can add a less glitchy look of it into actual skill components into the game if it’s that much of an issue for ppl to lose

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But to say the game will die because it’s gone is kinda wild

left rampart
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yes, but they cant take out the former before they have a new version

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saying the game will die because of a move getting taken out is just people being dramatic

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u should ignore anyone whos being dramatic like that

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theres no point arguing/debating people with that mindset

dry island
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Like they said many times, they will monitor it and see how it works etc. everything is new to them so they don’t know whether it’s meant to be there or not but clearly they thought something wasn’t right there and had to shift the meta

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But regardless as players, we have to accept what they want and adapt anyways

surreal cedar
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probably one of the most sane opinions i've seen

left rampart
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i disagree i think as players, especially comp players who are trying to play the game using every tool possible to try to win so obviously find out whats good and whats bad a lot quicker than casual players, should voice their opinion and give constructive feedback to the devs to help them ''monitor'' what works and doesnt work

dry island
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If a player can’t adapt to the game after using the mechanics then they relied too heavily on it and vice versa it literally goes both ways. It’s not hard to understand that we as gamers must evolve to the way the game develops and thank you Knight 🥹

left rampart
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its data and feedback u can draw from as a dev and then decide what u want in ur game and what u dont want

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i dont agree with just accepting how it is

dry island
left rampart
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ofc

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both levels need to be in good states

dry island
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You need both communities

left rampart
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u also cant just have a game purely built for casual play

dry island
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Ofc not

surreal cedar
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bear in mind comp players usually make up a small percentage of the player base though

left rampart
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because comp players will have the most hours and are like ur last bastion of having people playing on ur servers

dry island
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That’s why adding more in game mechanics built on actual inputs in game matters

vague herald
left rampart
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if im playing a game casually and i dont fw the game state im out of there a lot quicker than someone whos playing it comp

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u cant neglect either side

left rampart
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i need more mechanics and buttons and timings and everything in a game thats marketed as pure skill based gameplay

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if its just pass back to keeper and missile im going to get bored real quick

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thats why i dont like the hate against things like goldenboost tho because like it or not, it is a very mechanical move

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we should want more things like that in the game, just streamlined and cleaner

dry island
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Indeed that way it’s right there and easily visible for every player to learn and do

left rampart
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like it doesnt have to get to rocket league levels, but this is kind of becoming the opposite extreme

surreal cedar
dry island
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Just go down the list and look at the button combos and boom use that kinda like a for honor system

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In for honor you have all the combos simple there and you build on it by yourself etc

left rampart
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well i wouldnt want it to just be purely buttons in order tho, the skillful thing to GB is the timings of the input

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i meant moreso visually cleaner so defenders know whats going on without having a ton of practice against it

cedar beacon
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Any news on patch?

dry island
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For Honor had timings too

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Regardless I’m sure they can do it

dry island
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That’s fair

left rampart
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for honor timings are barely a timing mechanic ud have to be very casual to mess those up

vague herald
left rampart
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gb is more like a fighting game

vague herald
dry island
vague herald
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Tends to happen when the game is bad

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I won the world tournament some years ago

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I would know

covert vault
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I just found the glory of rematch threads what the hell😭

sleek night
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I get downvoted for speaking the truth its awesome

covert vault
# sleek night I get downvoted for speaking the truth its awesome

welcome to the rematch comm, the comm doesn’t have agreeable issues everyone is up in arms about something different.

I mean for me I think it’s crazy they are gaslighting us to thinking the ranked system isn’t the worst of any game out atm, saying they just need to “explain it” to us instead of changing it.

But yea welcome to the club brotha, not the friendliest bunch but if you start playing tournaments you will realize a lot of these people are clueless

mint lynx
# sleek night I get downvoted for speaking the truth its awesome

bunch of solo ques which didnt even play the game accordingly. Living in a dream world where everyone passes and does tiki-taka sim and hoping for it. God forbid any individual plays even tho they exist in irl football and play a huge part.
They are just against to things just to be against to them with no logic behind. Just the experience of not having a proper pass play in solo que. So they welcome any change that forces passes no matter what

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and downvote for speaking up

winged pagoda
# mint lynx bunch of solo ques which didnt even play the game accordingly. Living in a dream...

Let me flip the script.
Bunch of crybabies who don't want to adapt into new playstyle.
To be more clownish, they cry that game will die because of beta changes instead of just discussing about these and giving feedback.

Nothing personal. It's just boring that most people here can't hold conversation and just attack others with different opinions.
People literally can't comprehend that both opinions could be correct or wrong at the same time.

left briar
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if something is overtuned, its cool to tone things down. killing entire techniques is not doing that

mint lynx
# winged pagoda Let me flip the script. Bunch of crybabies who don't want to adapt into new play...

if the opinion is valid and for the sake of the better gameplay that will be agreed upon regardless. there are people like that as you have said but most of the "just pass m8" people are doesnt even think of the e sport part of the game. Sololy thinking about their own experience. Wanting the game to be played to their ideal.

As long as there is skill expression and high skill ceiling. Be it animation cancels or be it legitemate core mechanics. I'm all up for it

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personally I can adapt to everything. But there is a difference between change of meta and killing of a whole system

sleek night
winged pagoda
sleek night
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And dont tell me just pass more because you can already pass more even now when dribbling is good

mint lynx
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but ofc time will tell

sleek night
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We already had the beta to form an opinion or did you not play it

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Cause you really shouldn't be claiming my opinions are wrong when your response to me asking you to explain yourself is "let me get back to you on that"

winged pagoda
# sleek night We already had the beta to form an opinion or did you not play it

I did no have time to play it.
Nor did you or any other player. Playing couple of games is not enough to grasp changes.
Everything could be like you are crying about and game will be not enjoyable for forward players then 3rd day someone discovers new mechanic and all of the sudden you will be happy with game state.
That's the whole point. Leave your feedback and wait for changes then adapt to new playstyle.

Also about your next message. You my friend have hard time reading.

sleek night
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Well I DID have enough time to play the beta and I can assure you that dribbling was non-functional in it.

mint lynx
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I didnt close the beta for 2 whole days to just analyze mechanics in freeplay further

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All I will say about beta movement is this

sleek night
mint lynx
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Sprinting push = Non-sprinting push

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animation to distance

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everything being the same

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while player's speed trying to be kept

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which results in momentum kill

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in the 2nd touch

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no need to be genius or play a week with this to understand and simulate in the head that.

Defenders stays responsive and sharp and fast and stamina-free

Offense's dribble is like this + EE nerfs.

= Defender doesnt have to watch for a dribbler because defenders can easily take the ball whenever they want. Even if they bait your tackle they cant create distance with these pushes anyway

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if this game was in early beta states and sloclap was trying new things. I would support them to press all the buttons and find the balance when the game is gonna get released

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But remember

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this is FULLY RELEASED game

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they dont have luxury to do that sadly

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they seem to be listening us tho. As long as they dont butcher it with the upcoming of crossplay we are good

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but movement changes so bad no one is hyped for crossplay

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instead these topics are being talked

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its gotta show how big of a problem and urgent it is

astral moth
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We did not list EE being a single use mech as a bug. Gg

astral moth
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Officially a run faster button balright

south nebula
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Im more into defending and doing passing plays in this game than using some flashy techs, but since defense is already very strong, nerfing offensive options (focus on options, ippy is common but i rarelly see someone doing GB and i have 100h + elite rank) is extremelly negative for the longevity of it.There are already some games that are boring and takes forever to end because the defenders on both teams know how to defend well and intercepts pass and missiles a lot just by positioning, now with missile meta dead and nerfs on solo play this game will become a boring interception playground every match. you have the ball, you cant get around the defender marking you, you pass, your passes gets intercepted, the same happens to the other team until a huge missplay happens that will be difficult to happen with a good matchmaking of 10 elites in a lobby. i hope sloclap dont kill soloplay

sleek night
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I have only ever seen Golden Boost from tourney players

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or tourney players out in the wild

south nebula
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i really dont get why people gets so mad at a tech that barely is used, it is so hard to use it in elite because you need so much space. thats why i think only fixing matchmaking would make so there is no need for touching movement in the game. New players will not be using it because they dont know how since it is pretty advanced and high level players could do it but very rare (and it will be just an OPTION, some people in this thread seems to not understand this)

sleek night
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PREACH, BROTHER

winged pagoda
sleek night
# winged pagoda If it's barely used why people get mad when it's removed?

Because the people who put many, many hours into perfecting it for use in high level play are going to have their efforts wasted.

Better matchmaking would solve this because you would never be matched with the people who put the time and effort into perfecting their game, and the people who are good enough to defend it will get to.

south nebula
astral moth
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Man I could give less than 2 shits about small tech. Why is EE being gutted out of existence when it should be the games selling point of its most unique gimmick. Like imagine if rocket league just up and gutted boost by making it % less effective

main temple
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if u fw the patch then play it if u dont then dont simple

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🤞

winged pagoda
neon siren
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What many people don’t seem to understand in this thread is that a lot of what’s being removed isn’t just “flashy tech” — these are core mechanics that have been fundamental to high-level competitive play.

Many of these mechanics are essential tools for playmakers to create space, set up passes, and build offensive pressure. Removing them doesn’t just tone down “cool tricks,” it directly limits a team’s offensive options and overall creativity.

I’m completely fine with the removal of Golden Boost — I think most of us agree that was a step in the right direction — but this discussion isn’t about Golden Boost. It’s about everything else that’s being gutted.

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Take EE, for example. EE has been completely neutered. You no longer maintain momentum when touching the ball after using EE, which strips away a huge amount of creative potential.

Mechanics that are now gone or nerfed include:

Double Rainbow Pass

EE Rainbow into Shot

EE Rainbow Cuts

EE Chop

EE Ball Steals

Blade Shot (significantly weakened)

Each of these mechanics opened up entire branches of possible plays, but now they’re either impossible or much less viable.

At the highest levels, the meta is already dominated by long passes (Missiles) and priority balls, because dribbling is incredibly difficult to do consistently against good defenses. That’s why these “tech” plays were so important — they were one of the few ways to break through and reward creative attackers. With these nerfs, the game is pushing even further into the missile-heavy meta and killing off the “winger” style of play almost entirely.

I get the casual player perspective — I really do. If you’re a new or casual player getting matched against a full competitive stack and they’re pulling off high-level tech on you, I can see how that feels overwhelming or unfair. But that’s not really a problem with the mechanics — it’s a problem with matchmaking.

Moves like Blade Shot or EE Rainbows are already very punishable if you understand how to counter them. They’re not unstoppable — they’re calculated risks. In actual competitive play, you rarely see teams spamming them recklessly because it would get them punished.

So while I understand the intent behind making the game more approachable, these changes go too far. They strip away the creativity that makes high-level play exciting and push the meta into an even more one-dimensional state.

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One more thing I want to mention outside of just the competitive state of the game: in my opinion, this game belongs in the fast-paced arena genre, not the soccer sim genre. Matches are six minutes long, not sixty. The field is smaller, the pace is quicker, there are walls that encourage creative play, and the EE mechanics basically act as your boost. Tech, skill-cap moves, passes, and dribbling aren’t just nice extras — they feel like something this game should have and, in my opinion, needs to have.

That’s the identity of this game. This isn’t FIFA — this is a fast-paced, high-skill arena game, closer to Rocket League but with a bit more team coordination involved.

main temple
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holy yap

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at the end of the day we play what the devs make and if it’s slow pace tactics then so be it

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we just drop the game simply

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overall good read @neon siren now show me how dota 2 works i’m tryna learn ts ngl

terse lion
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Woah pretty cooked

carmine swift
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i jus want a fun game man 💔💔💔

thorny stirrup
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This update will be the last straw for me if it sticks

vague herald
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Well formulated

mint lynx
mighty vessel
pearl hedge
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Is movement still trash?

untold granite
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this game had too much hype

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It received a lot of attention that did not fit the developer's capabilities

mint lynx
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I wonder if we will see singleplayer version of rematch in the future

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absolver was unique and had nice ideas but died at the end due to similar mistakes

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then we had sifu

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a masterpiece

vague herald
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You already sort of gave a campaign intro with the tutorial

acoustic portal
mint lynx
mighty vessel
mighty vessel
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It could work pretty fine there

slim heath
mighty vessel
mint lynx
slim heath
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yeah second

mighty vessel
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They had Absolver

slim heath
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mb

slim heath
mint lynx
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and history repeats itself

mighty vessel
mint lynx
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in another genre

mighty vessel
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But I don't really doubt

mint lynx
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it was a good concept but ruined by similar stuff rematch suffered

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especially netcode stuff

mighty vessel
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Now we can tell that Sloclap should stay as a single-player game studio based

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💔

mint lynx
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absolver was grind heavy game tho. Required you to learn moves from npcs in the singleplayer and build your own moveset and then pvp in multiplayer

mighty vessel
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Will they cook in the next game after Rematch?

mint lynx
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most likely

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if the game is singleplayer no doubt

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but they cant manage when it comes to balancing*

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you can have a difficulty and tell players to git gud in singleplayer games and dont worry about balancing

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but when its multiplayer... too much noise

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Tho they should handle balancing the way japanese studios does

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balance patches should come with each season

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and bug fixing should be priority

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I'm really curious of what they will say in dev-talk since they removed all the advanced techs

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EVEN JUST EE'ing into a push or rainbow flick

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as if it did any harm to the game

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They must have some kind of plan to replace these things to make offense strong again in the upcoming patches

mighty vessel
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All these fixes that we got looks like a desperate way to try to please us

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and it always goes wrong and they seem to get frustrated with it lmao

mint lynx
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because the community they are trying to please surely sees the game more casually

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But as we have been telling since day 1

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this game has immense E-sports potential

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Especially first public beta was MUCH BETTER

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all we needed was fixes

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no balancing

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the faster paced this game becomes

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the better it is

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unless there are plans for advanced core improvements

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but I highly doubt as well

mint lynx
unreal cosmos
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this post need to be closed. you guys are fighting for a meta on a global game.

mint lynx
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this post needs to be closed indeed. Because They have fixed pushball being slower as its been announced

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if its not patched tho its still relevant in a way

sleek night
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Devs need to pull aside and interview some mfs and get their whole take on something

mint lynx
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While they are add it they should revert back the EE changes

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since its delayed once again

frozen vigil
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Bold of you to assume this patch will be released at all

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100 hours complaining here on discord about the patch that never will be

golden raptor
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These updates are literally built for the casual side of the game

left briar
carmine swift
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it was but point was still correct

left briar
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yes but she also said Golden boost should be removed

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which is just not in line with what she was saying the rest of the time

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generally the rest is true though

terse lion
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Wanting golden boost removed also still seems in line with what she was saying I’m ngl. I think she’s referring very specifically to the golden boost mechanic itself, and not the golden boost like mechanics that she listed after

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I also kinda agree with the sentiment in a way. I think golden boost shouldn’t exist in the game in the state it is right now. It’s way too buggy looking imo and frustrating to play against (yes there are counters, but it’s not intuitive at all). I think it could be in the game, but it would need a much cleaner animation and the game would need better netcode overall to make it feasible

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Either way, they still shouldn’t remove it until they make defensive nerfs imo

neon siren
# left briar chat gpt post

My post was being blocked by auto mod I asked chat GPT to reword it so I don’t get auto modded, and wallaby is correct all the points and paragraphs were written by me and then just grammatically changed and the golden boost mechanic itself to me is fine to have removed but that doesn’t apply to everything else find a way to keep the other things.

brazen prawn
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team strategic setplays who involes missile stupid meta and/or broken mechanics, very few teams do good setplays without missle or broken moves

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The only bad thing is, ok they removing broken things, but the alternatives ? the normal set of dribbles is horrible, and desync doesnt help..

vague herald
brazen prawn
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Dribbles will still be possible, but limited, they need to add more

brazen prawn
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they going in the right direction.

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they should have killed it in the first months or two, now peepee sliders are mad and quitting the game

neon siren
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EE Rainbow isn’t a broken mechanic though, I’m not sure you understand that basic normal functions of EE have been removed and gutted.

vague herald
brazen prawn
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its dead already anyways

vague herald
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Like no the first correct step is NOT to strictly remove things

brazen prawn
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Let say they add more and more dribbles possibilites, what u think people will use, them dribbles or the broken one?

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the broken one

vague herald
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What broken dribbles?

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Name 1

brazen prawn
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broken mechanics, u know exactly what im talking about