If this update goes through, rematch is a dead game. (regarding next patch)

[astral moth]

They already took a hit to the games rep, they cant salvage it anytime soon. They need something big, this is more like a whimper and plea for help

If they want to make a big difference they need some large scale update like how RL did

but I more so expect them to just work on the base with desync/lag first. Iron out the core gameplay of dribbling. Balance EE around that AFTER its been changed and then everyone will be happy

[mint lynx]

IF RL suddenly messed with aerials or maybe removed it entirely some minority could be happy with it but pro scene wont. and if would kill the game. After 3 months what RM doing is just simply wrong

[astral moth]

but i assume they are so far ahead in their dev cycle its like this -> make cosmetics and battlepass stuff for profit (Lots of dev time) -> Plan future roadmap updates and start working on them in their early stages

They dont have a plan to rework dribbling anytime soon because they literally cant afford the time to without slowing dev time down significantly or dropping something we dont even know about currently

[mint lynx]

The loop of a multiplayer game is = Seeing how good and advanced and skillful high end gaming loop can be

player = wanting to improve and learn techs

What patch 3 does= remove core fundementals for any kind of dribble and skill expression. Turn the game to tiki-taka sim

equal to removal of aerial in RL

cuz FR. it kills the dribbling. and football would be boring as hell if there were no any player that can change the game with their individual skill

Thats why there was an ad of NIKE once where AI took over the football and no one watched it

[astral moth]

TDLR if they want to change how strong EE is they need to first understand why people see EE being strong. This patch clearly showed they didnt but in a world where they do realize (maybe in the future) their best course of action is to revert this change. Rework the dribbling system to be better for the player to get around opponents -> release that and then start balancing EE around the new system in each patch after

The reason people think EE is so strong is a problem of service? I guess you could say

just like pirating

[mint lynx]

I mean in pro scene no one is gonna say WOWWWW THIS GUY USES PASSES SO GOOD look how good they are passing. No one is taking any risks no one is dribbling how fun to watch.

in 1 month you all will realize how bad it is but it will too late by then

Killing movement never brings good outcomes for competitive multiplayer games. NEVER

[astral moth]

Nah itll just become who uses push cut better or cherry picks in the better spot for free goals

and most shots will most likely come from blade shots now even with the nerf since its like your only creative option now lol

[mint lynx]

lets say IF they fixed push cut as well

in a world everything works as intented and no bugs

how fun is patch 3 ?

1/10

[astral moth]

the issue aint really how much healthier the game may be. Its how boring it would get after a few matches

EE lets me shake up my options and make drastic solo plays every match

if this patch goes live you will prob be able to start overlaying matches over each other and seeing the same shit happening since players will be relying on even more dribble tech to get around opponents

and once they remove one dribble tech itll be on to the next and then the next and then the next until there is no meta dribble tech to rely on except the shitty basic foundation

[golden raptor]

sorta wrong

lockdown wins cause of a dudes passing to a prio goober

and there #1 team rn in earning beating voidbound

[mint lynx]

In patch 3 at competetive scene the game will be frozen once an attack is done and everyone is marked

and no one pushes the GK

not in patch 3 but lets say patch 4

The way everything works as intented

No dribble tech to rely on

core shitty fundementals

With patch 3 movement a defender can catch up to GK who has infinite stamina btw

due to how sluggish dribble is

IMO this is boring and not healthy as well. Kills the game on so many levels its just unseen rn

I'm not okay with the sloclap's vision on changes and dont want such potential of the game to be ruined thats all.

I can always return back to RL afterall. But it would be a waste for such a beatiful game to die due to wrong management

[astral moth]

Id just like them to make some kinda post along the lines of "our vision for the game" and if its going in a direction like this current patch then ill peacefully see myself out so I dont waste my time and others arguing whos right and wrong

[mint lynx]

waste of time for argument is an hour at max

I've wasted 500 hours

grinding core mechanics

just for them to be changed drastically

and kill my skills as individual

[astral moth]

its ultimately up to what they want the game to be so at the end of the day my two cents means nothing except clarification on what my vision is for the game

[mint lynx]

Patch 3 SMOOTH movement @raw owl

I geniunely wanna know whats smooth and healthy about this

if im not even able to change directions carrying my momentum whats healthy about these changes ?

[cunning parrot]

Movement feels terrible.

Unrealistically slow.

EE feels slower than a real life player running even.

I despise how the game feels on the pitch with patch 3. And as you said, movement is everything to any competitive game.

[mint lynx]

they are just overcomplicating things and causing things to get worse. If they have even a tiny bit of ability to think and have a logic they wont release patch 3 in this state. Not without fixing movement

because this is a serious problem

[cunning parrot]

NGL, I've put 500 hours into the game, and been making content for it.

I've been all in.

But I don't think I'll be playing it much, if at all in this state.

Feels like a betrayal to those of us who genuinely enjoy the game.

[mint lynx]

same

500 hours in as well. Crossplay patch supposed to be revival of the game

but its gonna hit a critical blow instead

with these changes

[cunning parrot]

Obviously glitchy shit, I can get behind removing. But EE was obviously a core mechanic of the game, and I truly think was the hook to the gameplay.

All of its uses, and the combinations of actions you could come up with using it were the draw.

If they wanted to make a realistic footy game, such a mechanic should've never existed to begin with.

And now pulling the rug out from us 3 months later is just cruel to the player base that is here.

They're going for an audience that isn't playing their game.

Those guys are playing FC 26 now.

I don't get what they're doing, at all tbh.

[mint lynx]

it just goes to show that absolver wasnt a rookie mistake and sloclap is indeed incapable of managing a multiplayer game

singleplayer games they should continue doing

sifu was a masterpiece

[raw owl]

legit smoother gameplay than before 🤷

[lost osprey]

ippy slide and bladeshot are still doable
fuck golden boost

goated patch

[raw owl]

they've made the right decision imo, obv stuff still needs correcting and adjusting but it's the right decision at this point

[astral moth]

you realize that golden boost and rainbow boost legit are the one EE tech unaffected right

maybe slight nerf but its there

[raw owl]

some things did seem to get caught in the blast, but hopefully they can look into rebalancing/reintroducing some of the less problematic stuff slowly and carefully.

[astral moth]

yeah more than half of the core community prob wont stick around to see it through tho

and I dont think they will pull many players from fc either

they will lose more than gain in the end

[raw owl]

core community is literally a tiny part of what this game should have tho

[mint lynx]

The dribbler dribbling the ball as if he is about to trip over the ball and thats smooth ? Welp. Thats how 7 years old kids plays thats real and smooth in a sense

[astral moth]

yeah but it wont build further reach at this point without months and I mean MONTHS of changes

might as well shut it down for a relaunch at that point

[raw owl]

thats the part u dont understand ig

[astral moth]

no I do I saw it happen with Omega strikers and rematch is showing the exact same early signs

im just not blind like last time

same with MVS

ive been through it twice now

[mint lynx]

Have enough experience as gamer and developer to know sloclap is fucking things up

[raw owl]

and the fact that u cant see u were already playing a deadgame is what im trying to point out to you

the majority of us saw it was doomed in the direction it was going and been gone

[astral moth]

yeah but dumbing down the game will not make the game greater long term

[raw owl]

ur missing the point entirely bro

[astral moth]

itll just lead to more annoyance and ultimately a shut down

MVS did the exact same shit

[raw owl]

mvs is a fucking fps isnt it? not the same in the slightest

[astral moth]

no its a fighting game that dumb down its pacing and killed most of its core mechanics because of poor netcode

almost sounds familiar

sure it lived another year or 2 but it abandoned its entire beta community and shut down because of its new audience realizing how bad the game was as well

rematch showing those same early signs with this patch

[raw owl]

nothing else to say really we are going in circles. We need to wait for the live patch 3 and see what everyone thinks. A large portion of ppl wont even have tried it yet.

[astral moth]

Id at least assume sloclap is gonna make an announcement today regarding it

[raw owl]

i think most ppl will more or less like the new patch, some will like it but want some things reimplemented if possible and some will just want to quit

[astral moth]

I doubt they will be silent on it

[mint lynx]

oh boy

they will be tho

[hexed seal]

At this point even if you dislike the direction the game is going, can you stop being obsessively negative? It's unhelpful and annoying.

[astral moth]

^

[hexed seal]

calling the game a cash grab is not valid criticism

[astral moth]

dang so we didnt even click the message

[hexed seal]

they were being constructive for a short while, then it just devolved into doom posting

"devs are lazy" "devs dont listen" "devs will stay silent on this"

"its a cash grab, no effort"

comments along these lines do nothing to help the situation

[astral moth]

I mean I cant speak on the others but "devs will stay silent on this" is a bit telling when this change wasnt in any patch notes and no dev addressed it during the entire test yesterday

[hexed seal]

so maybe its an unintended bug>

[astral moth]

I dont need a full community post just for even one person to come out and say "yeah this was unintended"

[hexed seal]

and on that note, thinking that sloclap have NO testers just because bugs are found on a new patch is ignorant af

waiting to collate information is not the same as staying silent

the patch ISNT even out yet

[astral moth]

it doesnt even take two seconds in the practice mode to see this change

[hexed seal]

it was a beta test

[hexed seal]

so what is your conclusion from that?

[astral moth]

Any person playing the beta plays the main game

how did it make it past live if we have testers

how was it not in the notes if we have testers

[hexed seal]

that its intended but the devs didnt want to state the change?

[astral moth]

why did we release this beta without addressing saying we may encounter this bug?

[mint lynx]

Bex You and your kind have been coping this way since the first beta. Look at the state of the game. Pls stop glazind be real. Modern gaming and optimism gives luxury for companies to release unfinished games in unfinished states

[astral moth]

im just saying that even one person could point out a change this big

I just cant fathom the devs not catching this

[hexed seal]

I can

[restive light]

@rigid trail you are one of the only devs who actually takes time to check suggestions, PLEASE fix these issues, even if you have to delay movement related stuff to patch 4 idm but this has bad for the game and it will do if we don’t fix this

[astral moth]

I dont know bro thats just use but the act of using EE in a two move sequence is EVERY game at higher levels of play

Every single play and game does that

[mint lynx]

4 years of development. 4 months of time after first public beta. The game got released WORSE THAN FIRST BETA. It aint negativity its facts. Sloclap has to do something about this because with push being meaningless how will offense play out ? Its IMPOSSIBLE

[astral moth]

the fact that a normal thing a good player would do multiple times throughout one match was not seen before launching says two things

[mint lynx]

we tried it out as 2 tournament teams we did a beta scrim. Match ended 1-0 with no great passing or any dribble as well. Nothing but man a man mark and tackles. all due to push being useless.

[astral moth]

its a silent change or we are just not testing the patch

[hexed seal]

the first beta was a lag fest idk what you mean lmao

[hexed seal]

or it was missed in testing

which you cant fathom for some reason

[astral moth]

bro I cant even

its a NORMAL thing to do

any player will know

ANY

[hexed seal]

clearly not

devs missed it

[astral moth]

Which is VERY TELLING

WE ARE NOT TESTING THE PATCH

OR WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING

its that simple

[hexed seal]

have you ever worked in software development? Just curious

[astral moth]

hold on moving the goal post

that dont matter

[hexed seal]

it doesnt?

[mint lynx]

@hexed seal if devs are unable to see the effects of this then they better stop supporting game all together instead of giving people hope

[hexed seal]

why not?

They should stop trying because they arent doing a good enough job?

damn

[astral moth]

You dont need a degree in software development to know how to play a video game

and now we making stuff up

[mint lynx]

they should change the team revise their decisions

because clearly they are making things worse

[hexed seal]

"change the team" lmaooo

[astral moth]

okay mindless we going to far with that😭

I cant defend that

[mint lynx]

Im tilted

lmao

[astral moth]

lmfao

[mint lynx]

reminds me of my old dev days tho. There is always some stupid guy at the management that makes the calls and pursues the way to the failure

[astral moth]

to echo back to this real quick even though its irrelevant. I never said this I just said this is either incompetence or a silent patch

No matter what its a bad look

Do I think they should stop trying??? No but they should address it as soon as possible since the community is clearly eating them alive in these feedback forums

I dont say these things to Doom im just genuinely lost in what the devs decisions are with this patch

[mint lynx]

Thinking rationally what I would do for the patch 3 is revert back the movement changes cuz its clearly bad. Keep aerial changes they are really good changes. Brilliant Accessibility changes that should have been in the game in the first place but great to have them. KBM passing is so relaxing and beatiful. Have seen some netcode improvements there and there. But movement has to be fixed

[astral moth]

Even just a simple "We want to tune EE to be a more defensive mechanic" would be more than enough

[hexed seal]

Its just wild to be SO certain that the devs didnt intend this change and didn't catch it in testing, thats all

[mint lynx]

What's tilting me is they postpone fixes

[hexed seal]

to completely refuse that possibility because you think its easy to find

[astral moth]

Thats not the point nor did I say so. The entire point is if they cant even catch a bug that easy to find then they look incompetent, if the "bug" is intended then players need a valid reason as to why the devs want to alter the core gameplay so heavily

[hexed seal]

and to expect a reactionary response when the devs probably arent aware of how some changes happen at times. It's a very complex game and tweaking values would make a large impact sometimes in unintended areas, I dont need a degree to say that either

[mint lynx]

for some bugs thats the case I agree. But core movement has changed. its impsosible for it to be missed out. unless they are working extremely fast.

Good work never comes out of work done in a hurry. But a delayed and inspectful work always delivers good results.

[hexed seal]

I just dont see "devs are incompotent" as valid constructive criticism tbh
It's just expectations are too high for this team

[astral moth]

I dont need to know why it happened if its a "bug" I think everyone just simply wants to know if its intended as a core design change rather than as a mistake

[hexed seal]

this game is new, the way it works is new

[astral moth]

I could give less than two shits why it happened since they can fix it and restore it

[hexed seal]

no one has experience making exactly like this

[astral moth]

its not cristicism its a fact if it turns out to be a bug

thats the entire point

[mint lynx]

its valid criticism not constructive one. But its valid since no patch has delivered a healthy experience without causing any glitches. Every patch known bugs list grows more and more

thats what I mean by game being worse since first beta

Netcode was trash in the first beta but we didnt have GK not catching bugs and stuff like that. We only had Mouse being stucked. Gameplay wise it was very balanced as well.

They are trying to do so many things at once

[astral moth]

They could have avoided the incompetent claim if they just said its a "known bug" in the beta build or if its an intended mechanic

[hexed seal]

so at what point do you stop expecting the game to be bug-free? There have been a number of fixes that you seem to wilfully ignore in favour of making the game look worse than it is

[astral moth]

I just dont see any world where the devs dont catch this

[hexed seal]

thats why I say youre ignorant

[mint lynx]

bugs will always be present especially netcode related ones. Building a good netcode takes around 6 months for a simple game alone

But let me tell you this

What was patch 2 supposed to fix ?

GK savings

what was their solution ?

Not netcode improvements

[astral moth]

Its not ignorant its telling of who is testing the beta build if so

[mint lynx]

it was moving the goal trigger from lines to net so their poor netcode keep up

see what i mean by incompetent ?

[astral moth]

no high levels players are testing the beta build or playing at a high level if this is simply a case of not being caught

[hexed seal]

Patch 2 did fix a GK rollback bug that I have experienced a number of times. Where you dive towards someone receiving an aerial volley. Maybe it still happens but I have specifically noticed instances where on patch 1 it had HEAVY rollback and now it is way more consistent

[mint lynx]

and in the patch notes we see it being fixed.... I mean it was a bug they have willingly introduced in the first place so thanks sloclap ig ?

[hexed seal]

its not based on the net it just allows more time for the ball to rollback into the GKs hand if their catch was delayed.

[mint lynx]

I'm talking about Gks being able to save inside the goal

after patch 2

[hexed seal]

but i agree its resulted in an unintended change where you can save from in the net

thats listed as known now

[mint lynx]

I would rather for sloclap to take their time. think carefully and improve the game slowly but steadily rather than solving issues in a simple and cheap ways. Perma fixes are always the best fixes

no need to rush things

Patch 3 needed only aeriel fixes no core movement changes. Overcomplication will doom development as well

[hexed seal]

people will complain patches are not regular enough (they already do)

[mint lynx]

but they are a small team

that to be expected

[hexed seal]

but missing bugs isnt?

[astral moth]

I'll let yall go on but TDLR its a lose lose situation for them at this point.

If the devs did not catch it then it means we have low level players testing the new patches which makes them look like fools

If its an intended mechanic but it was not mentioned in any official blog then it will obviously make the dedicated player base upset no matter what since there is no clarification

You see how this could have been solved with a simple clarification in either circumstance?

[mint lynx]

thats the point

is it a bug ?

or is it intented

[hexed seal]

how can they clarify something they missed?

[astral moth]

they say we missed a bug

that simple lol

[hexed seal]

when have they maed silent changes before?

[astral moth]

then say its intended

you literally just answered my questions lmao

[hexed seal]

they most likely will

beta patch was yesterday right?

[astral moth]

yes

[mint lynx]

I hope man

[astral moth]

I maybe assume they address it today but who knows

[hexed seal]

so patch isnt even out, I dont need reactionary communication nor do I expect it from a team of that size

I have patience ig

[mint lynx]

you do my friend

[astral moth]

its okay when its a small silent change

[hexed seal]

I understand your passion can push your patience to wearing thin

[mint lynx]

I have been following this game for 4 months. I have been grinding the game for 500 hours. Want this game to be succesfull so I wanna participate if not watch e-sports of this game

[hexed seal]

but I just think its unreasonable to call the game a cash grab, to assume they're doing silent changes, or calling them incompotent for missing an unintended change.

[astral moth]

not rly the same when this change is so drastic that I dont even care about crossplay anymore

[hexed seal]

when they do internal tests, they are looking for game breaking issues

[astral moth]

I think most would rather want an answer for the EE change

[mint lynx]

But seing these changes really makes me think... What are they doing ? is this game a cash grab to them ?

[hexed seal]

yeah if they don't mention it on their next blog then I will start to worry

[hexed seal]

bruh

[mint lynx]

thats my frustration talking

I know it aint it

[hexed seal]

theres 10000x easier ways to make a cash grab

this game is a risk for sloclap

but they have a vision

[mint lynx]

they gained alot tho

[hexed seal]

so I want to see them try to acomplish that

[astral moth]

I get looking for game breaking issues but if they are playing against teams in a normal game which I think would happen to just test if the beta servers are working then I assume they would test something as simple as EE chaining

[mint lynx]

we all do

[hexed seal]

i am sure you do mate I just dont get that feeling when you let your frustration out so easily

its disrespectful

[mint lynx]

trauma from being an underpaid and bad game's developer team kicks in

shouldnt reflect on sloclap tho

my bad

you are right

[hexed seal]

you're good :)

[mint lynx]

not all companies are the same

[hexed seal]

I understand your position

you are very passionate

just direct that passion towards more helpful ways of discussion and it will be better for all

gaming has enough doom posting

thanks for coming to an understanding

[mint lynx]

nah I just had to calm down my horses lmao sorry for dealing with it

I just wish we wont have to wait for patch 4 for the fixes of these

Because I was really hoping for patch 3 to be turning point of rematch with the crossplay update

[hexed seal]

yeah I feel you

[mint lynx]

Lets see how things will turnout. Cant wait for their announcement

[hexed seal]

but im also okay with trying a different version of the game too. I can empathise if at the very top level of play it's more disruptive

but for 99% of players, they dont rely on EE sequences

and seeing teleporting players is more disruptive to their enjoyment

so I can understand both perspectives

my friend told me he was less interested because of the rise of animation exploits

and its fair to feel that way

[mint lynx]

in patch 3 we tried it in a scrim platform. And with a man-a-man marking offense just wasnt there. we had to missile at the end. But if clever dribbling is rewarded with the removal of teleporting tricks the game will be balanced and fun to play, fun to watch.

[hexed seal]

yeah for sure

[mint lynx]

defense is already OP

[hexed seal]

defense mistakes needs to be more punishing

[mint lynx]

due to push being momentum killer in patch 3

GK with infinite stamina couldnt outrun a 50% stamina defender

in a match

thats why I want it to be addressed quick

[hexed seal]

mmm

[mint lynx]

unlike exploits this will ruin core gameplay

this aint simple bug

very core gameplay can get damaged from this change

If its intented

[hexed seal]

its tough to say becasue we have been playing on a version of the game with all these exploits for so long

need more time to say for sure

a couple of scrims isn't enough imo

[mint lynx]

lets say it was enough for me to have an idea based on my experiences. Because I try to analyze and study how every mechanic works so I can master them. With defense staying sharp and stam consumption free. withball movement being slow and not able to create a distance due to push distance nerf. Offense is cooked

it was a tackle fest with everyone having around 20 tackles

because when defender takes the ball and wants dribble to the goal. Now its their turn to be slow and get tackled back

it was a loop of this

at the end we had to resort to missile

[left rampart]

tackle should definitely have a longer recovery time, in a duel for loose ball the best option is usually stand tackle until u have enough space to pick up the ball or pushball/pass

[quick dagger]

the developers are definitely doing everything right 🙂

[golden raptor]

Sell it to a big company

[supple tiger]

Thank you wallabywallnauts

[quick dagger]

even the beta was better

[high sky]

if this was a clip from these days you would still be complaining that it was wifi

[quick dagger]

wire

[sudden tiger]

You can add these clips to my collection
#1392177178980126870 message

[restive light]

1300 messages in a day. A DAY. If this doesn’t tell you smth devs then idk what will. The fact that you have this much people putting in the 2 cents tells you enough

[mint lynx]

Original Dribbling

Beta's "smooth" dribbling. (sprint is pressed and held)

Problem shows itself

no need to read 1300 msgs even

[hexed seal]

sorry but with 90+ ping you're NEVER going to have a smooth experience in a game with rollback. Not unless they introduce options to increase input delay to reduce the rollback

it's unfortunate for sure

[restive light]

devs better listen to this

[hexed seal]

again 90+ ping with rollback that's going to happen unfortunately

[restive light]

id rather they delay the update for a week and then revert the movement changes then have this

because this will undoubtedly kill the game

[celest moat]

In one month steam lost 10 k players, we are at less than 9 k daily peak, seems like the state of the game rn is the reason of the game slowly dying

[hexed seal]

there are so many other reasons that are more likely

the majority of people who get into a new game drop off soon after. This is just the modern game cycle

new game is fresh and interesting, that interest wears off as the novelty goes away the first 30 hours or so you might play

so you just move on to your regular game or another new title

happens with every game even the ones that are huge successes

[celest moat]

It's a team based game, meanwhile majority of games is ppl spamming your "skills", trying everything by themselves and doing the same damn moves everytime
Im for high skill ceiling, but rn this skill ceiling yall defending is just "how annoying can i be"
With these skills you aint gonna get a cool comp scene, it's a shit show of buggy ahh animations and teleporting
It takes hours and hours and hours and still some more to learn skills in Rocket league, and you know, if you lack gamesense you gonna lose anyway. Problem in rematch is exactly this, it's only about how much individual moves you can do instead of playing like a team

[celest moat]

Of course, but still the game has nothing good to offer let's be honest rn, one ranked mode, 0 meaningful training, shit netcod, bugs, exploits etc

[hexed seal]

I still have plenty of fun, not as much as I did on release when everything was novel

but still tons of fun moments

[mint lynx]

I've played 500 hours. Still having fun to this day

[hexed seal]

and I can see improvements, even if they're not super quick to arrive

its been 2 months since release, that's barely anything for a live service game

[mint lynx]

I agree with pile's statements but patch 3 is not about them but killing core movement and dumbing the gameplay even more. The game will have literally NOTHING without it's movement

[celest moat]

I like the game but casual is boring cuz everyone playing randomly and ranked doesnt have an actual ranked matchmaking or progression

[hexed seal]

find a team if you're that bothered by innacurate matchmaking

[celest moat]

U play a champions league final one moment next one ur in serie c

[celest moat]

Lmao

[hexed seal]

I dont mind, it's frustrating at times and ofc I wish it was better. It's not so bad that it ruins the entire fun of the game though

cause when you do get a good match it's so intense and fun

[mint lynx]

we have leagues and tournaments. High level games are boring compared to mid-high. but if you have common gaming sense and watch the comparison videos I have sent above you can see how much of a big problem patch 3 is

[molten falcon]

Ignores second vid at 40 ping

[hexed seal]

oh I thought that was a clip from the old beta?

[mint lynx]

thats the climax point and its really fun

[hexed seal]

sorry if I misunderstood

[hexed seal]

and I wont claim that the game works flawlesly at 40 ping either, I am just certain that above 90 ping it's almost guaranteed to be pretty terrible because of the way rollback netcode works fundementally

anyone coming from fighting games understands that

[mint lynx]

as a tekken nerd I got u

the game doesnt work flawlessly in 20 ping as well btw. Defense dash into ball sometimes causes players to move forward using magnet of the game but rollback makes the ball stay at place causing bugs

[hexed seal]

well we dont know the ping of the other player too that's ofc a factor

everyone needs to have a good fast connection to the server for it to be very consistent

[hexed seal]

I usually experience this on higher ping only but yeah ik what you mean

it definitely affects your interaction with the ball

[celest moat]

Bruh discord deleted my message

[mint lynx]

btw I have been doing more testing with patch 3 and I think movement changes are actually a bug

[celest moat]

Im lazy to rewrite

[mint lynx]

because sprinting push animation and distance is same as non sprint one

distance, animation wise

[hexed seal]

I get you

I think the same

[mint lynx]

thats why it kills the momentum

[hexed seal]

I thought the distance you push the ball was increased while sprinting but you are possibly right about the distance the character moves is changed

[mint lynx]

I can still do golden boost even if its nerfed and if its timed right its pretty effective also

with the fixes

it might return

[celest moat]

They failed again

Ahhaha

[mint lynx]

its much harder to do tho

and rainbow variant is useless

since any action after EE kills effort itself

I would make it so its impossible to kick the ball to that long distance when changing directions with effort so even if golden boost stays in the game it would be nerfed

and EE would still be useful

[celest moat]

Btw what I was saying is that the more I play the more I feel like the core of gameplay is bad. Imagine having to actually coordinate and time ur inputs to shoot well and whatever, rn u just buffer everything

At that point, those skills would be less bs

[mint lynx]

meta is like that. but there are hidden depths to the timing as well. But I agree VERY CORE of the game does not shine much

for example shoot power changes depending on the height of your aim

• velocity of the character

[celest moat]

Ye first part, but i bet my two balls if you get a more deep system of coordination and timing skill ceiling will actually increase

In rocket league keeping the ball in front of you it's already an hard thing to do lmao

[mint lynx]

I would love for this game to have higher skill ceiling so im all up for it. Buffering is indeed too forgiving in this game rn

[celest moat]

You actually need to train that

[mint lynx]

RL is physics based so that makes sense. Sadly rematch works like a fighting game

its animation and rollback based

[celest moat]

Ye

And it's showing now how poopy that is tbf

[mint lynx]

I'm all okay for fast paced action in rematch tbh. Instead of game trying to be slow with each update

that might not be true football but players' capabilities are not realistic in the first place. No problem for things to get arcady and skill-based imo

that might be only me tho because I grew up playing GunZ

[celest moat]

Maybe they will find a way

But if removing glitchy ahh animations kills a game... then the game wasn't good in the first place

[mint lynx]

personally for me it aint about it

but core movement changes kills the game

no momentum push = pure stamina loss

nothing else

and can you even play football without being able to dribble ?

[celest moat]

Depends what you mean with dribbling

[mint lynx]

im not talking about passing someone. Straight line dribbling is essential at worst. Patch 3 ruins even that

[celest moat]

Like messi basically just moves the ball and you die, neymar is more rematch-ish

[mint lynx]

beta was so horrible that holding the ball even for a second meant giving the ball away

[celest moat]

Mmmmm

[mint lynx]

because you couldn't basically RUN with patch 3

[celest moat]

Bruh

[mint lynx]

as shown. it feels like dribbling a rock rather than a ball

[celest moat]

Now this is concerning

So basically in order to nerf the bs moves they destroyed movement overall

[mint lynx]

exactly

[celest moat]

Which was wanky ass anyway

Dunno man

I still remember a guy saying the game wasn't ready for full launch, he was so right

[mint lynx]

I'm one of those guys

since last beta I've been spamming it over on reddit and here as well

[celest moat]

Ye I was dumb ngl, i couldn't see the rotten core

[mint lynx]

I've been downvoted and accused of being a hater tho

[celest moat]

I wouldn't have called you that

I lowkey agreed

But it was so good after years of shitty football games

I actually love the game, the concept, but it's going to shit

I hope they figure this out

[mint lynx]

same and I actually fell in love. And these changes making me toxic due to the passion of mine for the game. I want this game to be as perfect as it can be not get worse

[celest moat]

Ye

Bro i had like

15 friends playing this game, between irl friends and online friends

Now only me and another one play

[mint lynx]

SAME

[celest moat]

Everyone loved the game

[mint lynx]

not 15 friends but 7 actually

but yeah

[celest moat]

EVERYONE OF THE THEM

[mint lynx]

my friends left due to the bugs. and mouse passing

[celest moat]

Online friends were the majority ahah

[celest moat]

Dont blame them

I didnt play for 3 weeks cuz the last friend was on vacation

[mint lynx]

they didnt even blame golden boost. we thought it was cool. We can be toxic so we like techs if they can be countered somehow

But when we became GK and lost so many matches due to GK not catching the ball

or own goal passes

due to mouse passing sensivity

they quit

[celest moat]

I understand that

That's the problem

The game overall is... not good...

It can be fun tho

[mint lynx]

needed 1 more year in development

at minimum

[celest moat]

Sadly yes

[mint lynx]

wish it was early access

instead of a full release

[celest moat]

Ye

Problem is

If it reaches a good state

I hope ppl will return

If it dies Imma burn a building

Not really if fbi is reading

[peak pond]

do everything with a game but please dont remove golden boost, or for at least fake bladeshot

[celest moat]

Ok we remove the ball

[mighty vessel]

I'll add Kung Fu to the game

Sifu 2

[peak pond]

[celest moat]

Lmao

Bro gotta change strategy with the genie

[vagrant ferry]

Honestly removing these mechanics just gonna make the game better, whoever is complaining just learn how to pass.

[molten falcon]

And what happens when defenders all just sit in the box cause they win prio and you have literally no threat of dribbling?

[golden raptor]

have you ever seen real players dribble irl lmfao

if i give u the ball to do something with it are u just gonna give it back to me or are u gonna make a play

[peak pond]

and they want remove this. . .

[raw owl]

let me stop you right there.. my most enjoyment and passion for this game came from the very first public closed beta. The game went downhill from then on in my opinion and has continued in that direction until this most recent beta branch 3 patch.

[raw owl]

It just doesn't work bro. This is not fun gameplay for most people

I agree it looks and feels cool af to pull off, but it just isnt the right direction. If they want stuff like this in the game they need to have it properly designed in

idk, honestly its probably other areas of the gameplay that is making ppl have increased negativity towards every "unintended* mechanic. I personally do like GB related stuff but I want the game to be accessible to the majority more than one specific mechanic. The game has to be fun at it's core first, which currently it's not.

nice shot tho

i dont like the juggling personally tho ngl. Imo if it is going to stay it should have the animations smoothed out more and slowed down 🤷

because visually it just doesnt look normal. You are running forward and jump into a header, which abruptly stops your momentum and redirects the ball 90 degrees. I prefer to read the GB over that lol

Changes I think would make it much cleaner and acceptable are slightly longer prerelease animation (Focus would be on the player planting himself properly and better head/contact relation to the desired direction)

honestly the head movement isn't too bad rn it just doesn't match the outcome - the main issue is the legs and feet planting (or lack of)

[quick dagger]

Guess what

50 ping

Now imagine what will happen after removing half of the movement in the next update

[winged pagoda]

That's the shit most people don't want in game.

[quick dagger]

Because they can't do it or protect it

[winged pagoda]

Or maybe because it's unfun mechanic that just looks cool in eyes of 12 years old who came to this game after watching blue lock?

[quick dagger]

What's the problem anyway?

Let's just wait for the update and see how boring it will be to play

I would like to be wrong

Just imagine that there is only one defender in front of you, after using extra stamina you can only press 1 button, after which it is interrupted

The defender will easily take the ball away from you no matter how hard you try.

[astral moth]

nah shit like gb is what should be getting removed. Its buggy and extremely unpredictable looking. After thats patched out they should maybe look at another velocity nerf or nerf to the radius that EE provides to lock onto the ball

everything else should be kept the same though with slight tweaks here and there

solution wasnt to nuke EE and its use case entirely

after that introduce new mechs to dribbling at its simplest form and balance EE accordingly

[hazy ruin]

why fix gk dive if you can nerf blade shot anyway

[quick dagger]

He caught it...

[restive light]

to all the devs, it’s quite obvious this patch was terrible

[astral moth]

facts, if the system actually felt like the player was controlling the dives then blade wouldnt be an issue to predict and intercept

[quick dagger]

Why change any mechanics at all when you still have a terribly walking net code

[hazy ruin]

maybe pass

[restive light]

every single mechanic in the game was fine besides from mabye the ippy

No one asked for this only this only the ippy

if they keep knocking doing this the game will die out

[restive light]

exactly

[astral moth]

nah gb was rly the only issue. EE just needs tweaks/some remodeling to how things looks and their lock on range and speed

[restive light]

most logical and thought out decisions

[astral moth]

Ippy nerf I saw in the patch is not a bad thing either

it looks a lot more normal and reactable

I think thats why they nerfed blade as well

[restive light]

gb wasn’t an issue but I can understand tweaking it

changing the animation slightly or even the speed I can understand

but removing the whole thing though

[astral moth]

nah it def is with its teleporting range

it will be patched out no matter what if the system is changed even slightly to the speed

the rainbow flick in gb will become way worse making its use case just pointless after that

rn the only reason it works is because of rainbow flicks interaction with it and tapping in EE

both would take hits if the overall EE system gets a nerf to its speed which is necessary in all honesty

if it becomes pointless after that then its just a left over bug that should be patched out at that point imo. The only way I see it staying is if you could only tap with it and it being slower. Would make it more of a unpredictable positioning tool to get a pass with

Basically what just needs done is to actually balance EE instead of just taking the cop out option and gutting it to the floor. They can keep nerfing it more as power gets thrown into other areas of the players kit. Until then though EE needs to be somewhat strong

[quick dagger]

Yeah, let's nerf everything so we can play paralympic football

[restive light]

I somewhat agree

thoug

the devs need to listen to this

[astral moth]

Tell me in one sentence you either read everything and understood nothing or didnt read at all

[restive light]

that beta was the worst condition the game had ever been it

and if they continue down this path nth will be able to save it

I say give it until seadon one( patch4) b4 making a final judgement

[astral moth]

I agree they def fucked up here. They shouldnt gut EE until something just as useful can help take its place

thats why I think focusing on improving dribblings core foundation will help bring down how much the foundation currently needs to rely on EE being good

[restive light]

and the lack of communication is what’s ruining it

[quick dagger]

I'm kidding, it's actually hard to balance everything because it's not a MOBA game

[restive light]

the only person I can say has put in effort is @rigid trail because he actually checks it but every other dev goes ghost to everything

[quick dagger]

There is a lot of work to be done

[hazy ruin]

i really hate how they dont just push more hotfixes to fix the smaller issues and shortcomings. why not push 2-3 hotfixes per big patch? now everyone waits months for shit that should have been included on launch.

[astral moth]

I think they are crunching hard right now

especially in bug fixing

[hazy ruin]

yes but the prioritizing of work and decision making seems to be pretty whack

[astral moth]

I took a look at previous interviews and their original roadmap included introducing new game modes season 0 and new actual core mechanics

you can already see both have been pushed back especially those being big projects already so its telling of how much dev time is going into bug fixing rn

[hazy ruin]

is it?

you assume they work 24/7 on this

patches show otherwise

[tawdry cradle]

You don't have to rely solely on extra effort for dribbling. You have rainbow flick, you have ctrl dribbling, you have many options

[astral moth]

they also apparently had things planned to 12 months in advance in early stages at least

so they are prob so deep in shit rn its hard to even focus on things not planned and needing to be changed

It doesnt excuse how buggy the game launched and clearly they underestimated how bad it really was

but I think thats my take on why shit is just gonna take so long to even get rolling

[quick dagger]

It doesn't work like that against adequate defenders))

He'll just press the broken tackle.

[astral moth]

this felt like the first patch they actually made gameplay altering decisions which is crazy since its their 3rd major patch. The biggest change before this was dive speed changes

[quick dagger]

Like that

[tawdry cradle]

it depends very much

[hazy ruin]

buy better internet

[quick dagger]

50 ping

[astral moth]

nah u really do gotta rely heavy on EE against good players

[high sky]

where did you see the roadmap?

[astral moth]

wasnt a roadmap. More of insight from the Lead dev guy

I was doing research for my video but ill drop it here in a sec

[restive light]

at the end of the day they are still in season 0, this is still kinda early to be judging the game so early on though even me, someone who genuinely likes the game, can understand why you guys complain

[hazy ruin]

pretty crappy ping

but no honestly it is a little shit but i think its more a combination of ping + rollback + tackle hitbox

[tawdry cradle]

This was because extra effort worked the way it did, if it worked from the beginning like it did after patch 3, people would have to rely on the available dribbling

[astral moth]

yeah which is dog shit

[hazy ruin]

and you should just pass more, dribble less

[astral moth]

no one would be having a good time

[hazy ruin]

are they removing extra effort completely?

[quick dagger]

Because there are no servers closer

[astral moth]

you would see defense being way stronger like it was in this beta and tackling feeling even more frustrating

[winged pagoda]

It's normal ping in europe, it's just rematch rollback technology is beyond bad and we have problems like his screenshoot

[hazy ruin]

the price of playing a poorly launched game unfortunately

[hazy ruin]

i have 20

[quick dagger]

You can pass as much as you want, but you simply won't be allowed to shoot at the goal) then what's the point of passing

[hazy ruin]

how lol

[quick dagger]

This says 15k rp player

[astral moth]

This segments talks about the game modes and stuff https://youtu.be/nsIpIbIc4hg?si=15EsTAEOlgLDv9qD&t=229 @high sky

[winged pagoda]

That's combination of decent connection and routing/your location being close to server.
I'm playing on 40/50 ping french servers then game decides to take me to london server and i'm suddenly 80/100 ping

[high sky]

thank you man

[astral moth]

https://www.youtube.com/live/l_ioYYSOTJU?si=hv-CxUYAsOUEWCPr&t=943

this one talks a bit about how much they were planning in advance

yeah it was but it just highlights their initial expectations of what content was gonna get shipped in season 0

just shows how much has been pushed back due to fixing the actual game rather than adding stuff into it

[tawdry cradle]

the game should be flexible, it should be based on passing, but there should also be the possibility of good dribbling, but not necessarily found by players through "exploits"

[astral moth]

I suggest everyone give this one a watch though

was the most recent one I found and gives a lot of insight into what their vision for the game is and their thoughts on the way things are right now

its criminal its only got 6.1k views honestly

[restive light]

you guys can call it “glitch dribbles” but that’s what made the skill ceiling high especially with things like missile meta, at least these “glitchy dribbles” tried to negate that

[restive light]

yeah

[astral moth]

I found after watching a lot of stuff that EE is not what they are most happy with. Its the passing and the volley system. I legit could not find a single instance of EE being discussed other than maybe a passing remark

[winged pagoda]

"dribble" that looks like ball teleporting all over the place while player jumping and EE running in 5 different direction is not skilled

[astral moth]

I think the skill ceiling could be high. Its just some of the things are odd looking and not realistic

[restive light]

Why add a feature like ee if your gonna take away all the value it has

[astral moth]

Im certain if anything GB will be patched because it goes against their design philosophy

[restive light]

It is because is hard to pull off

[hazy ruin]

nothing in this game is hard to pull off

[restive light]

the timing that you need to have to pull of most ee techs is so hard to get that it
Isn’t feasible to do consistently

[astral moth]

they want arcadey and superhuman athelete. Not legit fantasy elements of being the flash or tping all over the place

[restive light]

but you see the higher ranks doing it easily

Ofc once you get it it’s easy don’t get me wrong but u at least it to practice it for a little bit

[hazy ruin]

timing is something you can easily practice and get the hang of, once its in your system, its like second nature

[restive light]

Mabye I’m exaggerating but no one can tell me they learned the golden boost in 5 minutes

it takes a sec to learn the timing

[restive light]

yeah

[astral moth]

yeah but its a tech that provides little value and goes against the core games design

No one wants to spend time learning something they know shouldnt exist in the first place

[winged pagoda]

That's not the issue. In game current state most of these "dribbles" looks like ball jumping all over the place while player teleporting and jumping in random direction from ENEMY point of view. That's the whole problem and difficulty in defending against it. Nothing more. If these dribbles worked normally it would be fine.

[restive light]

at the end of the day

more people liked it then diddnt

compared to the ippy

that says enough

rather a lot

[astral moth]

GB? nah I think everyone hates that shit. Looks cool but no one is going to tell you its healthy for the game

The ippy is just a skill issue complaint for people that want a game that has no arcadey elements

[hazy ruin]

i really dont find ippy that hard to defend against either

its all about spacing and not getting baited like an idiot

[astral moth]

its not but making it so its more reactable was a welcome change

makes me not just spam it 24/7 and actually think about it is a good change

it wasnt strong to defend before and maybe the nerf wasnt necessary but for the casuals it was

[sudden tiger]

I don't think it looks cool, it looks unnatural

[astral moth]

Nah I think I just like rainbow flick and all its anims so it dont bother me

should people be doing it? Hell no lmao

[mint lynx]

If Gb cannot be fixed they can simply just add EE defensive dash to counter GB

[astral moth]

grabbing food ill respond to anything once im back

[mint lynx]

the reason GB is broken is its teleporting and unpredictable mess but also DF has no real counter aside spacing and blocking. But If DF can have EE dash to close the gap of GB then it might have been fun actually

[hazy ruin]

i hope they get this game to a release worthy state soon so we can actually play in a working ranked environment

[restive light]

you know what

[hazy ruin]

instead of having elites run around losing balls like they're silver

[restive light]

if you guys think that this patch is good

[mint lynx]

we dont

[restive light]

then I can’t rly change your mind

[mint lynx]

the one that are thinking blinded by their hate for GB

[restive light]

but I just person don’t think it’s good in terms of Movement and what they don’t for gd

[mint lynx]

The Patch itself is good btw movement changes are not

[restive light]

oh fair enough

[winged pagoda]

How about waiting till patch drop before making 1k post thread crying how broken it is? Oh...
They literally made beta to collect people experiences in official forms that you was able to fill so they know what is needed to be improved.

[restive light]

calm down

its ntd

why ru telling me this as if i made the thread

saying that as if I don’t know that

[mint lynx]

considering the previous patches. betas of the rematch and no immediate action taken the thread kinda makes sense. New bugs that are introduced with the new patch always has been fixed with NEXT PATCH. Not right after beta

[hazy ruin]

beta forms were shallow in beta 2

[mint lynx]

this might mean a month of rematch with broken core movement

which nobody will like

[restive light]

yeah mabye

we’ll just have to wait and see till season 1

[hazy ruin]

gk shoot invincibility has been broken for that long too lol

[mint lynx]

Because even a week with this kind of movement is gonna be boring and hell

When it should have been like this

[restive light]

yeah I’m ngl if they release the patch in this condition the game is gonna die

[winged pagoda]

I understand discussion and need to talk about things that you don't like they did. But it was 2 days already and people still repeat things here while nobody is making people aware that best way to complain about broken beta was to fill out feedback that sloclap asked people to fill about beta.

Also i troll a little people who cry too much about clearly broken things like dribbling in this game (while i agree there should be more options available because current dribbling system is only good to avoid some slide tackling bois)

Literally this xD
This is pure clowning or trolling.

[restive light]

I’m being real

[mint lynx]

watch the videos I've posted

[restive light]

the game will die out if they don’t get there stuff together

[mint lynx]

if you cant sprint push

and create distance

offense wont start

leading to missile meta

[restive light]

exactly

[mint lynx]

which will be so boring

[restive light]

the only likeminded person

[winged pagoda]

Yeah i saw these earlier. Hope you filled feedback for sloclap and they will at least be aware of it

[mint lynx]

so unlike all the GK bugs and other bug fixed being post poned this one is really important and shouldn't be delayed

[mint lynx]

I did

[restive light]

they should at least do something where if a post gets a certain number of upvotes it will be featured in a weekly q/a or smth

every other thing in the game hasn’t been as urgent as this issue

[winged pagoda]

And don't forget that week is decent ammount of time to fix minor things. That's why sloclap gave themselevs around week after releasing beta to have said time if something went wrong.

[astral moth]

Nah ive been agreeing with you Shan but I think that you are ignoring actual bugs compared to tech. I just want them to actually look at making the game healthier will keeping what makes it unique in tact. There are 4 "techs" in the game currently that actually are game breaking and look unnatural. If they wanted to change anything then they should have targeted those first. After that I think they should give a slight nerf to EE to stop making it a "I win button" for situations on defense and offense. After that just improve the core game

[restive light]

reverting something should be wayy more quicker than changing or fixing something

[astral moth]

the 4 actual tech that should have been patched is RB, GB, Push cut, and Rainbow cut

[restive light]

I mean yeah I agree with u

[astral moth]

all 4 of those are not tech, they are clearly bugs

[restive light]

the every boost/ee tech needs to be looked at but idk ab removing jt

push cut I’m not sure though

[astral moth]

but something like ippy and vdashing are healthy

[restive light]

explain why u think this

[astral moth]

because it is equipment limiting

controllers players will have to alter their play style or buy new controllers to compete

[restive light]

ohh

[astral moth]

mnk get away with it scott free

[restive light]

I get what y mean

bc the push cut requires u to turn you camera while sprinting and pushing the ball

in a way not everyone can do it

[astral moth]

yes. You either start learning claw or buy a controller with paddles

thats why its unhealthy

tech should sometimes be hard but not limited by actual equipment

[restive light]

but the tech itself don’t bad

but

[astral moth]

yeah but with the new patch its the best tech honestly

[restive light]

it’s jsut that the fact not everyone can do it makes it unfair

[mint lynx]

controller players can do it as well

[astral moth]

which is a another issues entirely tbh

[restive light]

yeah even I can

[mint lynx]

sensivity needs to be high tho

[restive light]

but it’s way to hard

[astral moth]

yeah but not to the levels of mnk or while playing claw

not even close

[restive light]

and u have to flick your push quick

[mint lynx]

Controller players can do something mnk cant tho

which is shot direction change

[astral moth]

oh no looks shots

yup I knew it

that needs change

5 "techs" that need patched lol

[mint lynx]

they can just look at a wall and then change their aim to the goal and instant goal

I'm okay with pushcut tbh

because it needs timing

and it has kinda just frame kind of timing

if its not done right

push cut makes offender lose all the momentum with the ball

only the direction change

[astral moth]

Id agree if its not so demanding on controller

[mint lynx]

which is easy tackle for a defender

[restive light]

push cut is a real football move

[astral moth]

but as it is currently it is not accessible to a large majority of players

yeah id rather it be a mech than a "tech"

[mint lynx]

they should add quick 180 turn button to controller so they can do it

[astral moth]

changing it to be more accessible would fix a lot but it does need some tuning so you arent legit able to 180 with it

it looks buggy as shit

side to side with it is nice though

[mint lynx]

depending on the angle he push acts different yeah. If you can do perfect 180 you can chain it with ippy slide

[restive light]

They should add a feature where you can turn your camera 180 like other games

[astral moth]

yeah Idk why thats not in the game

my main thought was cause of the mini map

but in all honesty id take a 180 camera change button over the mini map any day

[restive light]

yeah

It’s useful in higher level play too

[astral moth]

Its also because of how shooting works though as well

it works in rl since u dont gotta "shoot"you just gotta ram your car into the ball

[hazy ruin]

think of the keeper

keeper will cry without map

[astral moth]

oh yeah true

[restive light]

do u guys ply for any teams?

[astral moth]

nah but ive scrimmed against ippy a few times lol

was gonna play but didnt wanna bother with the meta

[restive light]

what rank ru?

[astral moth]

might reconsider if it changes to be a more healthy meta

[restive light]

same

[astral moth]

Elite

[restive light]

I’m in eu

[astral moth]

Yeah im stuck in NA

please god I hope they drop this match making change patch 4

that would be peak

[restive light]

id ippy a good player

I’ve seen him on TikTok

[astral moth]

I plasyed him a while ago like months

he was good then for the meta and tech to still be developing

hes prob way way better now

[restive light]

I do wanna join a team but I’m struggling to rank up solo q

I’m hardstuck master

[astral moth]

Dont even stress

there is no difference between elite and masters rn

youll get elite 50 times over and still be matched with new players

[restive light]

rank doesn’t even matter rn since you can’t report neither is the ranked system good

[restive light]

exactly

[astral moth]

I legit just go back to elite every day and float down to the bottom and masters and then back to elite

[hazy ruin]

24W 70L MVP
Quickmatch (94 matches)

[astral moth]

its a joke

[hazy ruin]

current elite players

[astral moth]

ranked is quickmatch 5v5 with a number on it

I just run whatever qs me into a game now

[restive light]

as much as want ranked 3v3 ranked and 4v4 ranked

it would split the queues too much

[astral moth]

rank system rewards time played rn, not skill

hopefully its addressed with patch 4 with season 1

[hazy ruin]

is season 1 coming in patch 4?

[astral moth]

I think thats the best they could do

most likely

Sep 15

[restive light]

yeah

[astral moth]

patch 3 is the 3rd right?

[hazy ruin]

lets see lol

[restive light]

it’s gonna come in the week of sepetemer 15

[astral moth]

yeah I can only assume

and I expect there to be the matchmaking change within that patch

[hazy ruin]

my best tip for ranking up soloq btw

dodge que after bad games lol

[astral moth]

they said they wanted to change it but obviously it would be pointless without the crossplay addition bc of player numbers

[restive light]

if most of the issues we don’t have fixed in patch 3 and 4

In fact not most

All

then

[astral moth]

I could live on patch 3 with the EE change reverted

Id also like the tap change reverted but I could live with it given its changed next patch

[restive light]

if ee and movement Is reverted I’ll be fine

if not

[astral moth]

All I want is some acknowledgement to why they even decided to change anything in the first place. Like its extremely strange to me why the devs did this without maybe saying they wanted to improve other areas of the players kit

[restive light]

their last chance is patch 4 aka season 1

[restive light]

Exactly

No one asked for this

[astral moth]

I think they could live even with a shit ton of patches with bad decisions

I think their player base will flood back in whenever it gets better though

the games too unique to die so easily imo

[restive light]

the game has such good potential

[astral moth]

theres legit nothing like RM on the market and at least from the own devs words they know that shit as well. Its why they are charging 30 bucks and not going with a F2P model

[restive light]

if it gets bought by epic

that will 100% Dave it

they should make the game f2p

[astral moth]

honestly after hearing their reasoning for the 30 buck price tag Im against F2P now

[restive light]

what was it

[astral moth]

they dont want to monetize the shit out of the game and they know its worth the 30 which I do agree

Its got the added benefit of being its own cheater protection as well lol

[fierce blaze]

Bought by epic saving the game 💀💀

[astral moth]

Epic would make it good and then proceed to make it one of the most dog shit experiences of all time lol

just so players would keep coming back for even a sip of those glory days

[restive light]

rocket league peaked when it went f2p

Look at it now

[fierce blaze]

Yeah now it’s losing players is it not

[astral moth]

it is

its dying badly

[fierce blaze]

So sure by that logic epic buying woild boost it

[astral moth]

but not bc of its gameplay

[fierce blaze]

And then give it even worse playerbase retainment

[astral moth]

but because whoever is calling the shots on making the game fun to play is making the game actively feel like shit to play

cheaters rampant and constantly removing things that made the game fun to grind

I would be tweaking if I were a RL fan I pray for them bc clearly the devs do not

[restive light]

what do u think they need to do for the game?

[astral moth]

With how much funding the games prob lost though I wouldnt be suprised if they got only a singular dev shut in his closet making changes to it

they prob got such a small team they legit cant do anything

[astral moth]

RL or RM

[restive light]

army

rmt

[astral moth]

damn I didnt realize it but theres another similarity

both are abbreviated to look similar lol

For RM it just has gotta grind

I think the numbers wont be exploding for a bit

[restive light]

I mean like what are the current things they need to retain and grow their playerbase

[astral moth]

but as long as they work on improving the core netcode and gameplay over time the player count will become healthy again

[restive light]

what’s your definition of healthy

Rn on steam they are averaging 10k

Healthy for me is 50k

[astral moth]

IMO they just need to buckle in and reinforce the foundation and balance accordingly. I would say to avoid adding in game modes or anything rn as I think thats just gonna cause more issues long term and not help short term growth

[restive light]

manye even 20 or 30

[astral moth]

Id say 30k and up is healthy for only looking at steam charts for a live service game

[restive light]

yeah

Its so sad to see their rapid decline

they’ve lost 90% of their player

9 in every 10 people have left the game

[astral moth]

yeah it annoys me that people claim that EE and tech is what killed the game though I just cant argue it enough

All you have to do to understand why the games rapidly losing players is to understand why things exist in the first place. Like supply and demand

[mighty vessel]

But that has nothing to do with the movement of the game

[astral moth]

Why is tech considered strong? Why do some players think ippy is strong and others dont? Why do people think EE is what is hurting the game?

Its because there is no strong way to answer defense in this game using normal means in the players kit

[mighty vessel]

Most of the time it's difficult to defend, how do you react to a player literally moving at that speed? It's not natural, he literally flew at the ball or slid with it

[astral moth]

thats why even though players claim EE is what hurts the game missle meta was literally the best way to score. If EE was the issues everyone would be scoring with EE shots

why bother dealing with the useless dribbling system when I can just throw the ball down the field and avoid being tackle spammed?

As you go against better players you will realize how lacking the dribbling system is at its core so you "demand" EE to be your best tool to reliably get past a defender after you've made them fall for one mistake

Thats just what I echo here all the time though. EE will always need to be strong until they figure out ways to more reliably get past defense in this game to get scoring opportunities.

[mighty vessel]

That's why they should implement new mechanics and animations for these things like Nutmeg. It would be better than broken animations and movements of characters turning 90 degrees instantly

[astral moth]

agreed

[mighty vessel]

Removing and doing nothing I don't agree either, but they should put new things in their place instead of just removing

Because really, an attacker's basic kit without these mechanics is quite weak, but with them they become quite strong precisely because of the unpredictability, too difficult to react because it is not natural

[astral moth]

yeah thats what I keep echoing. Either do it all in one patch or dont do it at all and wait until you can do it in one patch

[mighty vessel]

The right thing to do is to add new mechanics.

[fierce blaze]

Well yea I feel like as a dev you would rather remove any unintended or buggy mechanics so nobody is used to them or gets attached

[mighty vessel]

Yes I understand that too, for me the game is completely playable now.

[astral moth]

there best option was made to nerf how much of a win button EE is rn and then in the bg work on improving dribbling and then dropping that in a patch and rebalancing how EE works with said system

[mighty vessel]

Only the individual plays got weaker in this patch, but the teamwork is still very strong

[astral moth]

yeah difference is, is thats its been 3 months and what they are changing is a core identity mechanic of the game while providing nothing of value to replace said import mechanic

[hazy ruin]

they could have just bug fixed and reworked/adjusted priority system...

[astral moth]

yeah thats what I say all the time

[fierce blaze]

Yeah that’s the problem tho

They don’t want that to be a core mechanic

So they got rid of it

[mighty vessel]

Yeah, I agree with you on that point.

[astral moth]

just tone it down until they got something working in the bg that everyone will like

[astral moth]

If EE is not a core mechanic then rematch is not an arcadey football game

its just football

[mighty vessel]

Would be a better option honestly

[astral moth]

"There’s a key difference between credibility and realism: we’re not trying to create a realistic football simulation. Instead, our choices are driven by the game's feel and the depth of mechanics. One of the core pillars of development was to make players "feel like an amazing athlete.""

this quote from the devs is whats got me so lost on this change

[mighty vessel]

The game somehow has to make both parts of the game matter. Currently, before patch 3, EE is the most important thing. It's what distinguishes you from being good or bad on most of the situations

What doesn't make sense to me

The game really lacks more physical actions

[astral moth]

yeah there is like one thing in dribblings kit that makes a player look better and thats changing direction with dribbling tapping

[mighty vessel]

More creative plays involving non-EE movements

[astral moth]

ippy is just there and better players will win against it and vdashing is cool as a side tech

[mighty vessel]

They should add an animation to this.

For example, Ippy Slide, I don't think they should remove it, but rather polish it. Add an animation and turn it into a Roulette.

It would have the same function, would remain strong and would look better visually.

[astral moth]

honestly I think the animation is fine. It was the speed at which it happened for me

it was just too fast looking

the new patch slowed it down and it works wonders

[mighty vessel]

I say about the animation because I don't think it's as natural as it is now.

There are many openings for them to be creative with dribbling

This frustrates me a little

[astral moth]

Yeah with that I can agree

there is so many different options

even just simply being able to hold the tap button longer to push the ball a bit further is something that could have been consider and something relating to holding the tap button in certain situations

rn its a game of doing said mechanic while sprinting and doing said mechanic without spriting

sprint tapping, sprint rainbowing, sprint cutting

it just boils down to if im moving faster or not

[main temple]

I love when ppl bring up rocket league without being a high level player on RL

mind you the flip reset wasn’t originally intended and it’s the biggest part of the mechanical world RL has

🤞🕊️

they saw the interaction saw feedback n fine tuned it

[mint lynx]

all the game needs is aerial volley nerf. + Collision fixes. Sometimes even tho the ball is slow the defender does not control the ball but deflects it unrealistically as if it was a shot.

Movement and EE can stay the same

non stance deflect should be added as well. It shouldnt just slow the ball

[hazy ruin]

i dont understand how they correctly identified the issue, explained it on their patch note or dev update and just fail to come up with a functional solution

[celest moat]

It's already boring, cuz everyone plays like they are the main character

[celest moat]

I agree with you, the buggy ahh tech is not the real problem rn, honestly i just find them frustrating that's all, the real problems are the basic core mechanics and what they lead to, braindead gameplay and volley meta, plus the horrendous netcode and connection, ppl crashing midgame, the horrible matchmaking
You can't even play casual to chill because it's just "i take the ball and play alone until half of my team quits"

Now that I wrote this i think the game is lowkey cooked💀

[left briar]

they're nerfing rainbow too

[left briar]

yeah man just not true. at a decent level of play they're very counterplayable

gb rainbow is an auto defensive win if you don't commit early. sit back, wait, watch the way they go and hit EE and spam X/A, ggs

there are so many things in this game that are "glitchy". it's a video game and that's not an argument on its own to discredit the mechanic existing.

[molten falcon]

Sounds like a whole lotta you aren't good tbh all of these are defendable and consistent if you just turn on your brain like 3%

[mighty vessel]

blade shot it's fine

Now GB

I hope this keep deleted from the existence

[astral moth]

I never said they werent but there is a fine line of bug and tech

This one is clearly a bug

[left briar]

it's not a bug

it's his the ball reacts to a hard cut when you're in ee

is it intentional? maybe not

it's called emergent gameplay

you can't argue it's not good for the game because it's not like football. this game isn't much like real football

[astral moth]

I never said they werent and I said they are fine as they are currently but those changes are targeted to help casual players rather than higher level players and dont cause to much of an issue

[left briar]

I can understand you just not liking it and saying it should be removed but your points of argument are fundamentally flawed

casual players don't get hit with this stuff like more than once every 10-15 games

I've played in gold Xbox lobbies. the most you'll see is a blade or an ippy

maybe an occasional flicker

[astral moth]

Yeah I agree and the tech is highly defendable after the shot comes out but that doesnt make it anyless buggy

Their entire design philosophy does not go hand in hand with the way GB is working currently at all

[left briar]

how is it buggy? because it's fast?

you expend your most valuable resource to get space to make a pass or sometimes shoot

what's their philosophy that's at odds with emergent gameplay? there's plenty of counterplay

there's way more counterplay than there is for volleys

[astral moth]

You literally flash step to this shit dude. You character should not be able to create that much space because of moving over the ball with ee in another direction nor should you be able to get a lock on indicator during that time

[left briar]

it just takes away skill expression from people who have spent the time to learn and master the techniques

[left briar]

ok so your argument is that it's just too fast?

[astral moth]

Its buggy as shit no matter which way you frame it

[left briar]

but you're okay with the best defensive strategy to be sitting 3 yards off the ball carrier and holding L2

you keep saying buggy

[astral moth]

So we making things up now???

[left briar]

brother I promise you I understand this game better than you

it's probably not even close either

[astral moth]

Yes because you clearly cant just put any other tech side by side and compare the 2 and see GB is a bug and will never be a "tech"

[left briar]

watch high level play

[astral moth]

Your ego is showing

[left briar]

your lack of understanding is showing

it's tech dog

you ever play any other competitive games or is this your first rodeo?

[astral moth]

No its really not you just look dumb arguing for this because even the most basic of people will clearly argue against gbs removal

Yeah ur a wall man. Your egos huge and clearly you contribute nothing to conversations and rather just try to insult people with baseless assumptions

[left briar]

if they added other dribbling mechanics to compensate then you might have a point

[astral moth]

No matter what I say to you your gonna be thick skulled about it so ill just stop with you specifically

[left briar]

you have no idea what you're talking about man genuinely

if you don't understand the meta you can't argue against why this is bad for competitive

if you don't think defensive stance is overtuned then you don't know ball

[astral moth]

Nah I definitely do and Its telling since most people in here agree with my takes

[left briar]

you're hard stuck master

[astral moth]

💀

[left briar]

you don't

with all due respect

[astral moth]

Ive been in elite over and over💀 that doesnt even matter in the first place though. You already think rank matters so you're clearly lost

[left briar]

rank matters if you can't stay in elite

it's genuinely so easy

other than that, no it doesn't matter. the skill range in elite is immense

I'm a top NA competitor dude like

idk how to tell you this

[astral moth]

Okay now we are just rage baiting. This entire thing got me talking to either a child or a robot and either look stupid

💀

Yeah man ur ego is massive and you think rank matters in the slightest

No amount of intelligence will save you

Have a good day

[left briar]

strawman goat

if skill expression is unceremoniously stripped from this game without new mechanics, comp will die and the game won't be far behind

[astral moth]

Wow its almost like if you read literally anything ive said in this thread you would see ive made that point 50 times. Instead you're harping on about gb and thinking its healthy for the game

Like why even argue if you're literally gonna spew the same shit as me, you cant be real😭

[left briar]

you're not having this discussion in good faith at all bro lol

I was asking genuine questions about your issue with gb

and you started being condescending on your own

[astral moth]

If it was in good faith you wouldnt make comments like this from the get go

No you definitely started here💀 your ego is crazy bro

[left briar]

did you even read what you wrote here

you scrolled all the way up

[astral moth]

Because you literally made shit up😭

You cant be serious

Did you even read what you said here???

[left briar]

if you don't think sitting in front of a dribbler and holding def stance isn't optimal strategy then you don't understand the game

point blank period

[astral moth]

Holy shit WHEN

DID I EVER SAY IT WASNT

like bro are u not understanding anything?

YOU said I didnt think that

[left briar]

yeah you're beyond lost

[astral moth]

Point out anyway I SAID OTHERWISE

Are we slow???

Please show me

[left briar]

sorry buddy

[astral moth]

Show me

Point to any message here prior to that message

[left briar]

nah I think you just want to argue for the sake of arguing

literally no point

[astral moth]

The crazy thing is, is that I literally HAVE SAID this 50 times over in this thread if you would just read. The even crazier thing is is that ive echoed the push to make dribbling better at its core 50 times over. Congrats you have played the game and realize whats strong and isnt! It doesnt give you the right to be a condescending dick and think you're better than everyone😭

[left briar]

i can't keep up with this 300 message thread bro

if you said that then that's on me

I'm not trying to be unreasonable here

you gotta understand how some bots go about this discourse has me jaded

[astral moth]

You just are bending words that ive never said to fit your argument which is crazy when I call you out for it and you dont show any proof other than "im argumentative"😭 am I not supposed to defend myself against lies?

I get it man but the way you started it with the ego is crazy😭 I think everyone knows whats strong except the devs with this patch

[molten falcon]

There's not really a casual fanbase so catering to them is certainly a choice especially when casual players didnt quit cause of the golden boost they quit cause of the awful net code

[left briar]

El I promise you that 99% of people with an opinion are plat/gold with no understanding about how these things effect the competitive meta