#What have you done this week to improve the game ?

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main phoenix
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I’m confused

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Very new and fresh

rotund compass
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It’s a sports game, it’s not for everyone. People try the game out because the massive hype and realize it’s not for them just based on genre then stop playing. You’re right though we’ll see in a month. That data will be much more useful at that time

main phoenix
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Hsve had one really successful game that made them known

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And it was singbleplayer

full warren
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Alright, which irresponsible parent hasn't put their kid to bed yet?

pseudo valve
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Not even gonna talk with you anymore. You were wrong in literally everything today and you just probably clowning and trolling while looking for attention.

vast idol
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Very normal. So much game competition out there. It competes with all games other people play.

main phoenix
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I TOLD YOU

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fupi cope

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“You’re trolling”

vast idol
ashen summit
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And there are a LOT of football enjoyers

pseudo valve
main phoenix
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Yeah so wjy are we acting like making a good one is easy

full warren
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Almost as if giving people the right scratch for their itch and then delivering an underwhelming product might get to a few people.

ashen summit
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A lot of my friends (who loved the game) stopped playing already because of the issues

main phoenix
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Everyone likes to accept that games have been very shit and boring lately and that rematch can be the change but no one ever says that because it has that potential it might Yk take a bit longer to fix or add stuff

rotund compass
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Eh personally I think being hyperbolic makes your point less effective. If I see a hyperbolic statement, I just instantly disregard it as someone being ridiculous. You are right though! All games deserve constructive criticism! I just think a lot of the criticism at the game right now is extremely ignorant

ashen summit
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i saw a lot of games die because of a lack of updates

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or hotfixes

main phoenix
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True for any game

ashen summit
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I don't really want this game to die

full warren
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I find myself in a weird boat where I want to give the developers a chance to see if their big talk today is going to result in the game being more stable.

ashen summit
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But having to wait months for a good update it's just crazy

main phoenix
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How

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AAA studios do it

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Hell

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Pokémon waits years

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To do any sort of balance patches

ashen summit
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AAA studios have enough funding to keep going

main phoenix
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Very successful tournament scene

vast idol
# pseudo valve Yeah sure, whatever you say kid.

"I don't like you, you're a troll! You've been wrong despite there being proof that you aren't, like RL's objectively measured infogrographics that I ignored. I say impossibly incorrect things like RL is nothing to Rematch even though the devs have literally told the playerbase to stop comparing the two."

Shut. Your. Bitch. Ass. Up.

full warren
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But at the same time, if it ends up underwhelming, I will be vocal about it.

But it's more of a "vocal because I wanted this game to be good" and tough love.

main phoenix
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Ok but funding aside

rotund compass
main phoenix
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Why would you expect MORE from a smaller studio

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With less problem

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People

ashen summit
golden bloom
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I will agree that it does take time to fix issues with the game but why'd they go for a full release? Early Access should've been enough no?

main phoenix
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And experience

ashen summit
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i'll give them a chance of recovering with that one

main phoenix
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Early access is a worhtless title nowadays

ashen summit
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but if it doesn't fix the most important ones, i'll just quit myself

main phoenix
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Every game is early access nowadays

pseudo valve
main phoenix
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It’s honestly used more as an excuse

golden bloom
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If the game didn't come out as Full Release, people wouldn't have the expectation of the game being well and done

full warren
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This game not being marketed as early access is probably the biggest headscratcher.

main phoenix
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Also wjy are we acting like full releases are impervious to flaws and mistakes

ashen summit
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3 months since first beta

full warren
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If they called this game a work in progress, I probably wouldn't have any of the complaints I'm having now.

main phoenix
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5 weeks

ashen summit
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1 month since release

main phoenix
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Since release

ashen summit
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it's a lot of time

main phoenix
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10 hotfixes

vast idol
golden bloom
main phoenix
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3 months In game development

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Is not a long time

ashen summit
main phoenix
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Sure

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Your opinion is fact now apparently

pseudo valve
main phoenix
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Those patches fixed everhtbing for me

rotund compass
main phoenix
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Therefore

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Must be true

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Terrible logic

ashen summit
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Well, congratz to the devs for not releasing an UNPLAYABLE game

rotund compass
ashen summit
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They still need to fix like 70% of the issues

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I saw smaller studios releasing good hotfixes every week

main phoenix
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Like?

ashen summit
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It's not like they can't do it

main phoenix
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On games with this kych traction?

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On this scale?

full warren
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But like I said, since this game was not advertised as an early work in progress, but rather a full release that people can spend money on, and the game I played is marred by performance issues, desync issues, a lack of clear priority on ball control, aerial balls etc. , matchmaking being all over the place, and just an odd display of the ball going wherever it wants, it opens it up for it to be critiqued how it was "fully released".

vast idol
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On 3 platforms too

main phoenix
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I really don’t get this mentality of it’s so easy

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“Yea bro I could’ve made rematch easy”

rotund compass
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Every game is completely different and should not be compared the exact same.

full warren
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And the end result is a game that needed three, four more months in the oven.

main phoenix
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It’s clearly not jg this is the best idea of a sport game we’ve had in a while

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So I don’t know why we keep acting like it’s so simple and easy

rotund compass
vast idol
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Nobody has any thought or sympathy for what actually the devs do. The devs get paid scraps to work crunch time so execs can be rich. Like, stop shitting on devs that are clearly working on the game with several hot fixes and updates from Beta onwards.

Or don't, and always be mad 😡😡😡

rotund compass
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I also think they should’ve been communicating properly from the get-go and likely should’ve tightened up on who from the dev team was allowed to communicate with the public, but I’m glad they’re communicating more now. That’s a huge step forward and the dev notes I think look really positive

ashen summit
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Well, if you guys are okay with this, keep playing

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i'll probably quit if they keep doing almost nothing

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And a lot of people are on the same boat

rotund compass
ashen summit
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I don't think is blatantly incorrect to say that this game is underwhelming

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That hotfixed barely fixed stuff

rotund compass
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I think that is super subjective

full warren
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Then how do you want us to get it through to the developers and the executives that this method of releasing games is going to end up costing them more rather than releasing a game with a few bugs that can be worked out in a reasonable timeframe, rather than a laundry list?

ashen summit
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i keep coming across bugs i saw on betasx

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They even had the bug with the kickoff on release

main phoenix
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Yea you bro

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Not everyone

ashen summit
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I'm glad they fixed that

main phoenix
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It’s improved vastly for a good amount of people

ashen summit
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but there's a lot more bugs

main phoenix
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Like yeah bugs suck and I hope you don’t have to okah wjth them

rotund compass
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The only people who care are the devs

main phoenix
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But don’t just lie and say they fixed nothing

vast idol
ashen summit
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Also, i think the lack of a real matchmaking system is injustificable

full warren
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I mean, I feel bad for the devs for being the unfair punching bags of community uproar.

ashen summit
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Every game nowadays have some form of SBMM

rotund compass
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Not to say feedback isn’t important, execs just literally don’t give a fuck about us

pseudo valve
# rotund compass Soooo bug fixes to bugs heavily impacting the game are not important?

Only thing about bug fixes in upcoming patch it "and fix a number of bugs" which means they could fix serious issues but also could means that they will fix wrong colored skins or other insignificant thing.
The rest is in category of "these issues were too complex to be added to the patch that is currently being tested, which is why they’ll be delivered a few days later."

This is all only smooth corporate talk. They don't have solutions for problems, they are still looking for these, they will need to test patches before releasing.

So with their pace of work we sadly are still looking at couple of weeks if not months of bugged gameplay.

ashen summit
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And bugs aside, there's a lot of stuff missing

rotund compass
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And I guarantee devs probably weren’t fully comfortable releasing this, but are forced to and their only option is to support it as much as they can for the sake of their livelihood

full warren
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And again I find myself wondering how else we, as paying players, can get through to not just them, but also the executives that put these crunches on people that we will happily pay more for products that play well?

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Short term earnings vs. long time revenue because people will be happily spending extra to support good work.

rotund compass
main phoenix
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Yeah the game studio is gonna explode as well so why put my hopes up

vast idol
main phoenix
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You say it’s not specified but then act like that immediately discredits any possibility of thjngs getting fixed thag matter

rotund compass
# pseudo valve Only thing about bug fixes in upcoming patch it "and fix a number of bugs" which...

Step 1: Communicate with the playerbase about patches and expectations
Step 2: Release the patch as close to the given date as possible
Step 3: Communicate about the next goals

Etc.

My point being, they communicated what’s coming. I think it was a good post and has a lot of important things in it. Now it’s time for me to wait and see if they can deliver. If they can, wooooo no worries. If they can’t, THEN I’ll complain

full warren
rotund compass
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This post was a “What is the dev team doing to improve the game”. When made, it was reasonable because we hadn’t had communication at all. We now have that, and that was my personal first complaint now resolved. I also think this post is now answered as well by action

vast idol
# pseudo valve Only thing about bug fixes in upcoming patch it "and fix a number of bugs" which...

Programmers working on bugs will choose between the frustrating important bug that they have trouble with, or the easy bug that helps them get their mind off the main problem. They fix the smaller bug, get happier, and return to the main bug with a better head.

Also, switching focus allows a programmer to have epiphany ideas. This is because the brain sorts information not actively being thought about, similar to sleep. But other random details can cause the subconscious to figure out the issue.

So of course they'll have unimportant bugs to fix in there on top of some real important ones. That's how programming works.

final oar
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Honestly judging from some of these threads, they should've pushed launch back or at least planned the betas earlier to give them more time for the launch.

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I 100% get that they wanted to capitalise off of sales and hype but it feels like they rushed the launch desperately after the 2nd beta's issues

rotund compass
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Yeah I think there is general agreement with that

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That kind of feedback just isn’t super useful to the devs unfortunately…the game is released, so can’t really take that one back and it’s more just hindsight.

final oar
main phoenix
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Yeah that typically happens with most internet discussions

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But there are some valid points and arguments brought up at least

final oar
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True true

spiral spruce
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I'm happy that you worked "this week' 3 weeks after my post. About the toxicity, at the time of the post we didn't receive an update in 2 weeks, it was 4 weeks when you released the patch 1 while paying full price for a game that is still in early access. If 55 out of 110 employees is far from the reality, then what is the reality ? How many are you ?

main phoenix
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You cannot be serious bro

pseudo valve
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Probably 80 out of 110

main phoenix
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109 out of 110

dreamy forge
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Nothing

spiral spruce
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I mean if it's more than 55 devs then it"s even worse, so I think he said that meaning there are less than 55 devs. Imagine having a game dev studio, indie studio, and more than half of your employees are not devs

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Is it an HR company ?

main phoenix
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Bro thinks he knows how to run a game studio

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Looking forward to your groundbreaking game

crystal olive
dreamy forge
red badger
main phoenix
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You sound jealous

full warren
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Leave the child to his homework.

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You are not going to accomplish anything by trying to argue with them, you just waste time and energy.

main phoenix
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Tuff ass quote

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I got chills

shadow anvil
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Dude's back

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Thought we lost you

ashen summit
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Some people called me crazy😂

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mild stirrup
# ashen summit Some people called me crazy😂

Game is not dying is just we ran out of things to grind for cuz ask we had was rank and battle pass people probably hop back on when season 1 drops and if improvements aren't made that satisfy player base then u can say game is dead.

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And steam charts are not end all be all people still play on console. Also need to keep in mind game came out in summer time when people are put of school which has just started back up so that also affects the numbers.

sonic rune
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In just a month, over 70% of the player base is gone, yet some people still can’t wrap their heads around it and keep insisting nothing’s wrong.

ashen summit
shadow anvil
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It's been 3 weeks since the last patch...

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For the famous MKB big patch

paper adder
shadow anvil
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Ranning out of things to grind in a live service is not really a good luck

pseudo valve
# ashen summit Yep, they said we should give the devs more time when I voiced my concern about ...

For me the most baffling thing was when people didn't take that lack of communication from sloclap as sign of money milking, abandoned game.

Like literally if they had any good news about game and fixed some problems there was no reason to stay silent. They did stay silent and couple of people here still didn't see anything bad in this behavior.

Sadly casual players who make up most of playerbase don't care enough to keep playing game that crashes and have a lot of bugs along with the worst matchmaking system ever created and literally no content to play for except for enjoyment of the game (because if match run well without problems, it's feel good to play this game).

wanton silo
# mild stirrup Game is not dying is just we ran out of things to grind for cuz ask we had was r...

They will not bring anything other than crossplay . The whole devs working on crossplay and imagine if that time come for season 1 and the crossplay is not ready LOL.
Basically Im playing the game untill POE2 new season drop and BF6 . Other than that this game with all this desync bugs is a failure . They cant resolve this with season 1 . They shouldve delayed the game for another few months and focus on resolving this bugs.

mild stirrup
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Probably should have waited to release to polish the game but hey that's neither here or there. They have been fixing bugs tho its not as buggy when the game first came out. It's a small studio they probably needed the money so they can keep working on the game.

full warren
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I said this before, but the game is fine when it works. It's just that most of the time, it does not.

And it's a darn shame that it's in the state that it is in, because it could have been entirely avoided had they just allowed the team to actually fix these issues over time, instead of adding in micro-changes that still do not fix what is said they are supposed to fix.

And now the game is bleeding players, the honeymoon phase is over, and people are realizing that the game isn't what it was promoted as, advertised as, and promised to be, people are just not going to stick around.

Any game is going to have ups and downs, but when most of the playerbase are casual gamers, and they are playing a game that is riddled from tip to toe with bugs, glitches, and they are not seeing enough improvement (which, to each their own measure of that), they are not going to want to play the game again, no matter how much it might improve over time.

spiral spruce
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Imagine releasing this kind of update

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Don't release anything then

blazing sphinx
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its called a hotfix my guy

shadow anvil
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Single hotfix every 2 weeks

blazing sphinx
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nah, just when there's an easily fixable and really impactful bug. Otherwise it's a waste of dev time and annoying to players to constantly update the game with hotfixes cause that would inevitably introduce more unknown issues to the game.