We need WASD pass ASAP!

[mint lagoon]

So you obviously dont actually do this

And if you did do it successfully for 10 seconds it's so easy to cherry pick the one time you do it well

And ignore the 90% you completely whiff

[indigo flame]

🐒

[mint lagoon]

Yeah your telling me bud

[indigo flame]

At first i was answering the other guy that said it wasnt possible

And he's not here anymore bcz he understood he was false

[mint lagoon]

No im willing to bet he knows its possible, just not practical. You know the thing that matters?

[indigo flame]

I agree that its less precise than wasd and that it should be an option bcz why not

[glossy quiver]

he didnt say it wasnt possible, he said it was very hard, especially with this shitty passing system

[indigo flame]

But you can pass consistently without looking

Like you can't disagree its purely mechanics

[mint lagoon]

I mean I think many of us already disagreed

[indigo flame]

You can even be more precise than with wasd actually

[mint lagoon]

If it worked well yes

Current system no

[indigo flame]

How and it be better ?

If you aim left back the ball goes left back

[mint lagoon]

Deadzone, sensitivity settings

Then it would be better

With wasd are you the person that said you can only do 8 directions?

Because that's literally just wrong BTW

[indigo flame]

No but thats what i thought ?

Maybe i'm wrong

[mint lagoon]

If you move the camera slightly you have different angles available, so you can do all the in between angles you want

You dont have to completely look where you are wanting to pass if you think that's what I mean

Like a slight change in camera angle and now you have 8 different directions available

[indigo flame]

Can't understand

Haven't played with wasd what you're saying seems unlogical

But okay if you say it, i mean i was never against wasd pass

I am just defending that aiming with mouse is playable

[mint lagoon]

Maybe my explanation is off, but yeah I agree with that

They should both be options

In theory I like mouse passing better but current system ain't it

[robust needle]

Shoot passing is way more accurate than pass passing.

The big issue is that they tried to make the mouse emulate a joystick flick.

[indigo flame]

?

[mint lagoon]

Corvus turn your dpi down very low then its usable as the same way with shooting

[robust needle]

Which just doesn't work, because you also need to use that to move around.

[mint lagoon]

You won't have slight movement mess with aim

Temporary solution

[robust needle]

If you're in the middle of a scuffle for the ball, trying to control the ball and look around to aim for pass is just next to impossible.

[indigo flame]

https://discord.com/channels/1055140456184426607/1387403161039409302

[robust needle]

Because you inevitably will pass the ball where you do not want it to go.

[indigo flame]

If you want it that way

But i don't recommand it

[robust needle]

See, this shouldn't need a macro if it just worked how it should.

[indigo flame]

It works the way it should

[mint lagoon]

I used that, completely changing dpi is better tho

Because the script doesn't work for lobs

[robust needle]

I believe the original beta used WASD to pass, right?

[indigo flame]

You just want it to work like it shouldn't

[mint lagoon]

And for whatever reason it stopped me from doing hard passes

Corvus I promise change your dpi very low then turn in game camera sensitivity up

Your life will change

Yeah it was wasd before

[indigo flame]

That's why you cant pass without looking actually

[mint lagoon]

No its not lol

Actually I can do it better than before

Because exaggerated movements work

And not small little micro movements

But still it isn't great

[indigo flame]

Just realised I already have a low dpi and extremely large mousepad because I play CS2

That's maybe why its more intuitive for mle

[mint lagoon]

I mean so do i

But i bet your dpi isn't this low lol

I'm not talking 800, im talking 100

Which nobody uses for anything

[indigo flame]

Its 400

[glossy quiver]

The problem isn't no-look passes being impossible, but the way the mouse works with passes, it going into the wrong direction with the slightest movement, which makes certain situations very very hard

[mint lagoon]

Yeah that's pretty low so its probably not as bad for you as others

Average is 800-1200

But even 400 is quadruple what im doing

So still way more sensitive

Spoon try out a change of dpi, dont get me wrong its still not ideal

But maybe you can enjoy it more

[glossy quiver]

I dont have enough desk space to go below 800 and look around on the pitch quick enough 😅

finished my placements on my steam acc, 4/5 wins, silver 1 😄

was gold 2 on xbox pass at lvl 30, but comms suck on xbox

[mint lagoon]

Bump up camera sensitivity in game to max

Then lower dpi of mouse to what still feels comfy

My actual camera movement is exact same as before

[crystal oxide]

i play at 1800 and all i do is push forward a touch on the mouse and im fine

[lone silo]

You don't say 🤡

[keen rampart]

No

Your point it's not valid for me

That's all

You can't do it consistently in a match

And yes you can do a pass accurately without looking (but in a joystick)

[keen rampart]

Same

[silent sable]

i thought patch 0.09 would include the option to change to wasd. 😞

[keen rampart]

ong bro

They are fixing everything except the most important thing

[rancid forge]

removing dolphin diving is more important than fixing how passing works for mouse and keyboard.

[keen rampart]

Maybe

In my gameplay, the unbalanced pass affects me more, but of course, the world doesn't revolve around me, statistically the Dolphin Dive must be worse

I don't know really

[rancid forge]

comp and high ranked games feature everyone diving continuously the moment they get beat by a dribble/pass.

That said, it doesn't look like it's all that different in testing just now. :\

[idle flame]

Fr, fix the deadzone

All we need for passing oml

[robust needle]

Sloclap: "What do you want fixed?"
Us: "Passing!"
Sloclap: "When do you want it?"
Us: "Now!"
Sloclap: "Alright we 'fixed' Dolphin Dives, kthnxbai."

[wicked orchid]

Wasd ? naaah Puma merch goes BRRRRR

[idle flame]

Wasd is still objectively terrible

I have no comprehension on why anyone would ask for it

If they can add it back sure go nuts, can’t be that hard, but it’ll be instantly obvious that all they need to do is fix deadzone on mouse passing imo

[wicked orchid]

try doing bladeshot while running sideways and you will understand

[keen rampart]

People are asking for anything right now, thecurrent passing is irritating players

[idle flame]

Yeah but other than for straight behind the back passes (one of the only things mouse passing does great in current form) it was useless in the beta lol

[wicked orchid]

WASD = 8 directions + mouse being camera = 360 degrees passing anyways. its technically not 8 directions. It's consistent 8 directions and mouse staying as camera input. Better than mouse passing everyday everynight

[idle flame]

Yes but you gotta dribble the ball too

You can’t pass and dribble with wasd at the same time

[wicked orchid]

all you have to do is just hold W while passing if you want to pass where you are looking

[idle flame]

Brother that is not what I said

[wicked orchid]

I prefer moving my fingers and holding direction inputs rather than flicking my mouse like I got autism

[idle flame]

When you are dribbling with wasd you can’t also pass with wasd

[wicked orchid]

you can ?

I did in the first beta 100 times

[idle flame]

No you can’t lol

[wicked orchid]

I still got the first beta build man what are you talking about ?

I can go in and check

[idle flame]

If I want to keep running right while setting up a mid pass you can’t do it lmao

It’ll just kick the ball right

[wicked orchid]

no ?

As long as you pass W or any other directions during the pass windup animation it will go to wherever you want

[sharp lichen]

PLS FIX THE PASSING

[wicked orchid]

If you are holding D all the time and the ball goes right... that aint the pass system's fault its skill issue

[lone silo]

Day 12, no pass fix yet. Yep, sounds about right

Didn't they have the system already implemented a few months back. Why is it so hard to reimplement?

[wicked orchid]

I believe they want to bring them all one in one

deadzone addition to mouse passing + WASD as an option + Make W work like aim

Im not sure about the last one tho But I have read that Its been suggested to the devs that Holding W will work like proper mouse aiming

in the first beta if you held W but rotated camera pass direction wouldnt be rotated.

If they truly improve it that way WASD can be the best option

[remote arch]

i made a post about this:
https://discord.com/channels/1055140456184426607/1387488984040734904

[remote arch]

the solution is not to bring back wasd passing, but just to fix the current passing system, which is in theory far superior to wasd

[hardy forge]

agree

[wicked orchid]

Only in theory

Or if you are just waiting at front of the goal and only thing you do with passes is no look shots

Try advanced stuff and see mouse passing is nothing but hinderence

[weak dune]

Nope, the current passing system just needs an improvement, its hard to get used to it, but once you got the thing isn't a bad thing at all

[wicked orchid]

Wasd preferable for me

mouse is not

like I have said

hinderence

[weak dune]

They really could add both, but this dont mean that this system is bad, also, the passing is really good even with advanced stuff

i really dont know what you're talking about being a hinderence

[wicked orchid]

Inconsistent. Adds another input layer to the tricks I could do just by holding the same movement input if i had Wasd passing. And wants you to relearn every muscle memory you have just to be able to pass correctly

Mouse = Aim. main rules of fps and tps games. Passing locks camera and when you want to do minor camera aim adjustements by reflex you pass to anywhere else

[weak dune]

Thats really pretty simple to solve bud, just isnt their first priority i think, just adding a bigger and better deadzone would change everything you said

Just reacting to what i said wont do any, ya know?

[lone silo]

At this point I would welcome any change.

Something as simple as adding 3 sensitivity sliders. The one that we have now for mouse sensitivity, one for the deadzone on passes (and shots too, because Magnus Effect is extremely sensitive), and another for the 360º selector when pressing the pass button.

[wicked orchid]

nope. it will fix the accidental passes tho thats a must for kbm players. But as I have said to me mouse passing is not as sharp and fast as an actual analog. So trying to mimick analog with a big ass mouse is a no no for me. I dribble and try to pass as fast as i can. Mouse passing slows me down. Makes techs like bladeshot Inconsistent and harder than they are supposed to be by adding a layer to the input.

Both of them should have been an option but sadly they are not. When wasd comes back tho I'm 100% returning it back

[remote arch]

its simple to solve, i posted here about this and i coded an overlay that actually displays how my mouse moves
if it took me 30 mins to make, i imagine that a game studio is more than capable to produce it aswell!
https://discord.com/channels/1055140456184426607/1387488984040734904

Your feeling that mouse passing is not as sharp is currently absolutely correct!

Because they dont calculate the angle like you move your mouse.
To be honest, i have no idea what they are calculating and how they do it, but it is not what they claim the mechanic to be.
If it would be implemented like it should be, it is just more accurate, as you have 360°, instead of only 8 directions with WASD
Of course you can aim where you want to pass, but you can also just do that with the 360° version

I dont yet understand
What do you mean by that:
"Makes techs like bladeshot Inconsistent and harder"

Do you mean it is currently harder or do you mean it is harder even if they implemented the 360° perfectly?

[wicked orchid]

yes it surely can be improved my main problem with Mouse passing is not accuracy. its inconsistency and how slow it makes my movement. that's why I call it hinderence.
It locks your camera so im gonna give the bladeshot example again.

I can just aim to the perfect spot for my shot while just holding A or D then press X then double shift for effort and then shot to the already pre aimed spot.

With mouse passing. I hold A or D Press X and then Flick to the either right or left for short lob to go to the direction I am moving. Then have to AIM extremely quickly and then left click

see how it adds meaningless one more layer to the tech ?

[turbid lake]

sound to me like passing should work correctly with mouse but it should also be possible to change it to wasd. For more passing oriented players it would be nice to have a consistent way to pass at any angle without looking into the direction you want to pass to. For tech i get your point, but you can also always just improve your aim and flick where you want to shoot fast enough

thinking more about it, i think its fine to have the extra layer, otherwise it would be too easy and controller players also have to struggle with aiming correctly

[remote arch]

It gets easier that way, i agree
But everything about passing gets worse
Also the mechanic is still doable (and not that hard just to aim afterwards=

[wicked orchid]

Tbh I was really good at first beta and grinded up to elite without any problems while enjoying the game alot. I would prefer my mouse to just stay as camera control input rather than goofing around with flicks

I can close the direction gap with camera adjustement and skills anyway

I want my inputs to be as fast and as consistent as possible

and everything is doable with mouse passing but its not comfortable

I want the optimal

[trail ingot]

honestly ive gotten a lot better with the current system i wont lie

could still be improved though but I'm at a point where I would continue to use this over wasd. Was awkward as hell but managed to more or less drill it into my head to continue pushing the mouse during the pass

occasionally have brain farts but I don't own goal anymore lmao

still need wasd for those who prefer it though

and its gonna come, just have to be patient. Lot of shit went tits up 😄

[weak dune]

how exactly it makes your movement slow dude 😭
im REALLY not getting your point, all this you said, can already be done and have a large amount of videos teaching how to, it makes the game more rewardful to who are skillful

passing with WASD give you less passing options to your teamates, but "more" for you

[wicked orchid]

by locking my cam. adding extra mouse input when i can just hold a direction input for like 1.5 sec ? Mouse passing interrupts it by adding a mouse flick as I have said

[wicked orchid]

and no on split second saves on defending or when you dribble pass someone and want a fast and consistent pass mouse pass doesn't deliver it

With WASD passing you can do preperations to everything with camera movement and turn 8 directions to 360 degree with complete freedom

Mouse passing gives you 360 degree freedom while taking your ability to freely control your camera

I agree its rewarding in some cases. But its not really an optimal starter option but more like an advanced passing option which you would turn on when basic options are not enough

I dont understand sloclap why they didnt make it an option but forced starter

mouse passing is clearly more advanced

[keen rampart]

and I don't understand why they aren't focusing on it

[weak dune]

Yeah it is, i think it is for that reason they disabled the WASD, to what ive seen they say, they want a hard and competitive game, like you said, WASD make the game a bit easier

[keen rampart]

💔

[weak dune]

Also, it makes the game harder to Goalies imo

[wicked orchid]

??? no it doesnt

[weak dune]

.

[wicked orchid]

controller players got best of the three worlds

they are consistent,fast, and got freedom as well

input nerfing is by all means not acceptable in gaming industry

[weak dune]

if something is less advanced, is easier, no?

[wicked orchid]

But that less advanced is only for KBM players

controller players are playing it easier and having all the goods

[wicked orchid]

^

not an excuse

for the state of kbm passing

and even devs admit it since they will return back the WASD. the question is just when

[weak dune]

Its not their priority tho

[wicked orchid]

their priority is crossplay for now

[languid kelp]

@wicked orchid Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[weak dune]

[wicked orchid]

Still doing good and having absolute banger matches even at this state. Cant wait for the wasd. Clip farming is going to be insane

💀

[keen rampart]

crossplay

[languid kelp]

@keen rampart Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[keen rampart]

Dawg

lmao

[granite cave]

ok so im not the only one that quite literalyl cannot pass anymore?

[keen rampart]

ong bro

I can't against controller players

[glossy quiver]

i feel like i can pass better since the patch somehow

[tranquil fractal]

anyone know how to do the dpi lowering macro for passing with razer synapse?

[lone silo]

You can use autokey and create a script that works probably better than a macro if you fine-tune it, but after testing both I botched the idea because it is not a deadzone per se. It keeps registering minimal input even with extremely low sens/dpi, sending the ball in random directions at times. It is good for less sensitivity when passing, which can be useful for some.

A better solution would be creating a proper deadzone with apps that simulate controller behaviour. Tested RawAccel for a bit but didn't manage to make it work.

[lone silo]

You can kinda guess this was the mentality of the devs when opening the game for the first time. There is a message almost begging you to play on controller.

[wicked orchid]

the game is indeed designed for controller but the pass changes compared to first beta has nothing to do with game design but poor choice

[lone silo]

Can't help but agree. Drastically changing a basic, functioning system 1 month before game release without the option to roll back seems like a moronic decision at best. I wonder if something happened or this is just a big fuck up + big fuck you to PC players.

[glossy quiver]

devs are french. that should say enough.

every single multiplayer game ive ever played, if i encountered a bad player, they happened to be french

[shut radish]

tried it, doesn't work. not worth it either, don't bother

[mint lagoon]

The macro had some issues, simply lower the dpi and max out in game camera sensitivity

Its not perfect but I can consistently pass to camera

I dont do any no look flick stuff tho it doesn't feel very consistent

I sometimes do a 90 degree short lob for bladeshots but that is pretty annoying to do

[keen rampart]

bro is falling for placebo effect

[silent sable]

since the push ball mechanic is already based on wasd. it maskes sense for the passs to be wasd as well. feels more intuitive

[lone silo]

Not really. They just wanted to emulate WASD being the controller's left stick and the mouse movements the right stick. And if I'm not mistaken on the controller you control push ball with the left stick direction.

[glossy quiver]

Just tried, correct. Direction of push ball is determined by left analog stick

But still, having passing on WASD just like push ball makes more sense

It's a very strange decision to have the mouse act like an analog

[shut radish]

spoon #1 wasd advocate

[glossy quiver]

It just makes more sense from a UX perspective. I'm all for having multiple options to pick from. It's just very strange to have it in beta and then remove it in favor of this

So many console ports are shit due to bad conversion of control scheme or menu's. You'd think after 20+ years of console ports, companies would finally get it right

[lone silo]

In general this game is one of the less intuitive KBM controls I've experienced in my life, if not the worst. It took me hours just to figure out the basic controls and had to change them multiple times to adapt. I wish I could say I'm a slow learner, but I'm not. I played hundreds of games with unique bind setups and never had that many issues.

And even now that I finally managed to get everything right, reaching master at the game even, is when I get more issues with the passing. I had to increase the sens to be able to look around for the ball and dribble quick and it is impossible for me to aim at a fucking pass 10% of the time.

I understand what they were going for, and it's ingenious. Sad that the implementation was terribly botched.

[glossy quiver]

even the ninja rotations in BDO are easier than performing a straight pass in this game 🤡

[lone silo]

Indeed. Try to pass at the xhair without sending any mouse input, even lifting your hand from it. The pass goes in random directions more often than not. And missing a pass like that usually ends up on a risky counter.

If you get scored like that it feels awful.

Also I don't know about you guys but I can know a keyboard user in game really fast by recognizing those troll passes lmao

[glossy quiver]

Oh yeah 100%. Ever since I started playing on Steam instead of Gamepass I've heard many people complain on voice about their passes going the wrong direction

[lone silo]

Classic goalkeeper pass into their own goal. Chef's kiss

[glossy quiver]

yeah thats happened a couple times to me ...

What I'd like the most is just a proper indicator like LoL has

that shows where your pass is headed before you release rmb

[lone silo]

But that's the normal cast and requires two inputs

Doing quick one twos will feel awful having to make double inputs everytime

[glossy quiver]

In LoL you have the option to press button -> show indicator -> release button -> skill is cast where indicator was

which doesn't require 2 inputs

because the button release is considered an input

[lone silo]

Quick cast with indicator, I see what you mean. How can you control the strength of the pass with that input though

[glossy quiver]

Fair question, don't have the answer for that, could involve pressing an extra button just for strength, which isn't ideal

[still nebula]

Another click to decrease the power

And also i don't understand a game which you play football but you can't control the power of the pass, it's just strong or slow

[glossy quiver]

Most important thing is just having all the options available for the player to decide what feels best

[still nebula]

Anyway if next week they still don't update the passes i'm stopping the game it's enough

We are in 2025 the game feels like 2005

[lone silo]

I don't have many hopes, and it is indeed getting tiring

[dapper idol]

Works perfectly if you have skill. I have it mastered.

Truly takes getting used to but it’s very easy. Not sure how this is as massive as it is

[dapper idol]

^

How about you get good?

[wicked orchid]

[lone silo]

I was waiting for one of your kind. Thanks for coming in, representing your tribe!

Thanks for keeping the memes a reality

[still nebula]

i'm master even wit this trash passes

[lone silo]

ow yiiisss. gotta love it. The wonky angle is always similar funnily enough

[lone silo]

The day they give you actual control you'll be unstoppable

Ow lord here it comes

[still nebula]

this guy thinks because you complain about something that is shit it means you're bad lmao

[lone silo]

Sad that I can't send my gifs or memes here

[dapper idol]

the day you grow a pair of thumbs you can be unstapple. pick up a controller bud u know u want to

[still nebula]

i can be good at this game even if the controls are shits bro

[lone silo]

I have plenty to avoid meaningless and void of logic debates with the skill issue gang

[dapper idol]

how would wasd pass even work

explain it at least

4 different directions?

sounds dumbed down to hell is my problem with it

if u learn mouse passing it’s very smooth

like 100+ hours

[still nebula]

if you read all the comments we are not saying only wasd pass

[dapper idol]

it’s 1700 posts or something bro

[still nebula]

we are talking about a better deadzone for actual system

[dapper idol]

1200

[still nebula]

and also put options to chose

[lone silo]

I'm not taking the bite

[still nebula]

for all players play with what they feel comfortable

[dapper idol]

nah my mind is open

wasd pass sounded stupid

but yes more options why not

I agree with that

[still nebula]

thats all we say

[dapper idol]

I don’t agree with people saying passing currently is reason to quit the game either tho

I really like it along with many others

Much higher skill gap than controller

[lone silo]

God forbid people to leave a game because of their discontent with the control system

Those bastards aimirite

But that's it. I'm out for now

I'm sure plenty of people here have time to discuss this with you

Surely you are the most open minded person with such opening, no doubt

[mint lagoon]

pretty done explaining this to people, either read above or just be quiet lol

its getting tiring

[wicked orchid]

Aim with your mousr just like how you aim shooting. use WASD for no looks to 8 other direction while still being able to use mouse as camera control so you can give any angle you want to no looks

intuitive and better

And passing being at the game's very core players have every right to stop playing just from this

[idle flame]

Except you dribble with wasd

So it’s the exact opposite of intuitive and better

[wicked orchid]

You dribble with left analog. and pass with left analog on controller

same thing

What we are doing RN is dribbling with left analog

passing with right analog

[wicked orchid]

so nothing is opposite

The character goes the last direction input pressed when you hold or press Pass anyway. So you cant dribble while aiming your pass even RN with mouse passing so. I have no idea what you are talking about

[keen rampart]

LOLL

[silent sable]

😢

[lone silo]

I need to make a compilation

[dapper idol]

Sucks to suck

Stand by once you master it it’s mastered

I love mouse passing

That hasn’t happened to me since day 1 💀 OF THE BETA

[lone silo]

I'm starting to like this fellow.

When you try so hard to be dislikeable you provoke the opposite effect hehe

[keen rampart]

please

lol

I laugh a lot at clips with the COMPLETELY diabolical pass

[idle flame]

yeah I mean I think it's gotten better, I saw nothing in the patch notes and hadn't gotten home till yesterday, but the deadzone seems higher for sure, and it >definitely< helps a ton

https://medal.tv/games/rematch/clips/kAr85U2984Ii_d8F0?invite=cr-MSxlTEEsNjEwNDY1MTk

did have this occur though at one point so :p

[rancid forge]

I think people are just getting more used to dealing with the jank. I fully flub fewer passes per game simply because I'm overcompensating my movement so that I ALWAYS do aimed passes. Instead of flubbing shots wildly, they are just off by 5-10 degrees most of the time. As midfielder/gk it isn't as important that I'm laser accurate on the move... if I was a striker I'd switch to controller.

[graceful isle]

just make it so that you can switch between the WASD tap passes and mouse passes, because if I want to move while passing my pass direction changes completely. They should not exist at the same time

[keen rampart]

Same, completely agree with you

Whenever I go through I aim, I don't even risk using the fully sensitive mechanics of the mouse

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[idle flame]

While also true I’m certain they messed with the deadzone a bit

It’s clearly better imo

[lament prawn]

i love how sloclap listens to its players :/

i haven't seen one thing that players request to influence any patch notes

[rancid forge]

You must not have read the last patch notes.

[sour pivot]

They might as well remove the feedback section since they don't listen lol

[shadow fractal]

yall need to just get good

[rancid forge]

I'm aleady good. I want to be able to be better than good.

[shadow fractal]

the deadzone would be nice but it's not anywhere close to that bad, i played mkb since beta 1 and i just got used to it

at this point i genuinely like where it is, i literally never flub my passes cause of deadzone

[rancid forge]

Your teammates must love you doing fully charged passes 24/7 then since you apparently can't get light taps at ~45 degree angles to be accurate in the current state of mouse passing. My teammates don't mind, so I'm still doing okay, but I feel confident I'd be nasty if I could throw a near ground pass a bit easier than having to actually aim and hold my mouse 1000% still and then tap the Tap command.

[shadow fractal]

you can get light taps at 45 degree wdym?

you just slide the mouse relative to your crosshair position

[rancid forge]

#1388187142701711421 message

[rancid forge]

I know this is the Internet and more than half the people typing on it have no clue what is going on, but at least read the thread before assuming I'm completely braindead. 😄

[shadow fractal]

idk what to tell you, i can do it, i'm doing it as we speak

why would i go off a thread when i'm currently in the game able to do it

[karmic robin]

How long do we need to wait for some improvements?

[shadow fractal]

look i agree it needs improvement i just think people are largely exagerating the issue currently

acting like it's unplayable on mkb

[shadow fractal]

i just did front right, front left, back left, back right, all light passes, felt fine

[rancid forge]

Did you do minimum strength Taps/Lobs in those directions, or did you have to hold down the input long enough to aim in those directions, thus making the strength higher than minimum? Take a look at this post at least to see me trying and basically failing to get MINIMUM passes in 45 degree angles: #1388187142701711421 message

[keen rampart]

I don't think it's an exaggeration, I think it's a CORE problem with the game.

The only way I've seen to play easier in relation to this is to play with extremely low dpi and low sensitivity as well.

But for those of us who don't have much space on the table, it's a pain, especially for me who's used to playing with high sensitivity in almost any game

Besides, the deadzone itself is a problem in general, very poorly planned

[keen rampart]

I'm confident they'll release something or at least talk about it in the next patch

but of course nothing confirmed

unfortunately

[wicked orchid]

9/10 Succesfull passes... This is the failing one 💀 I hate mouse passing

[keen rampart]

aint no way bro.

😭

[icy spire]

LMFAO

[sour pivot]

This is insane lol.

[sour pivot]

What's crazy is people will see this video and still defend the devs and say "skill issue" or "git gud" like it's not a legit problem. You see them all the time in these threads

[keen rampart]

That's kinda true

I see a lot of that around here

[mint lagoon]

i also cant help but feel the people that say skill issue and that they "mastered" the mechanic probably arent even very good lol

[wicked orchid]

My head canon is that they are people which spams "CROSS IT" while waiting at front of opponnent's goal and only use m2 for headers with huge flicks and think they have mastered it.
Cuz no way in hell someone can be diabolically that ignorant

[mint lagoon]

or only pass to someone when they are in totally open space, no tight passes between defenders or anything

very difficult stuff 🙂

[lone silo]

Are we really discussing the randoms that join the convo with "haha skill issue it works for me you are just bad"?

Come on guys. Statistically one of those appears every 24h or less. It is required for the matrix to spawn one every now and then.

Then when you have one of those on your team he's the guy that stays next to the enemy goalie for 10m straight, still never scores a goal and ends the game with 1 pass.

And the pass was a missed strike that accidentally ended up bouncing into a teammate by chance

[magic wasp]

i got a little bit scared

[dapper idol]

Fr

[dapper idol]

Statistically there’s always bad players who can never get past x rank no matter how many hours they put in

Here its own goals and passing it in the opposite direction vs dragging the mouse ever so slightly in the way you want to pass..

More options sure — but git good at the end of the day

😛

[rancid forge]

https://tenor.com/view/amy-poehler-chefs-kiss-amy-poehler-chefs-kiss-really-seth-and-amy-gif-25804339

This is peak editing.

[icy spire]

I know that I might flick my mouse if I try to pass it in the goal so I never use it lmao

Only for passing

[keen rampart]

LOL

[lone silo]

Ragebait not taken. Try again tomorrow

[dapper idol]

see that’s purely just being bad

cmon now 💀

hasn’t happened to me SINCE DAY 1 OF BETA

LMAOOOO

[idle flame]

Just @ a mod for derailing

[magic wasp]

Ragebait not taken. Try again tomorrow

[shut radish]

BRUH they still haven't even addressed this problem, what the fuck are they doing lol

[rancid forge]

Wait, derailing is something to call a mod about? This suggestion forum would be empty.

[keen rampart]

I know right

[lone silo]

Day 16th and still here. And we have the crossplay update before any fixes 👌🏿

[languid kelp]

@lone silo Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[lone silo]

See? Told ya

[pale fern]

you moved the mouse down before tghe player touched the ball. this still counted as input for the pass direction. you have to get the timings right as the ball will go the direction the mouse was moving to when the player touches the ball

its just a thing of practice

with mouse you have 360 degree possibilities of passing. with WASD you basically have only 8 directions

[magic wasp]

i agree that clip was most likely my own mistake, was mostly sending it to lighten the mood lol

i also agree that wasd gives you less directions overall and can be just as weird to control which i don't see people talking about enough fsr

but a good improvement would be to adjust the passing direction to face the mouse's moved position relative from it's position when the pass input began

perhaps i'll make a post about that tomorrow

[pale fern]

I think it would be even better to just stop registering input as soon as you let go of the pass butt+on and not when the player touches the ball. more intuitive.

[magic wasp]

both

actually no, both wouldn't work together too well if you wanted to readjust beyond small mistakes

[keen rampart]

Took a couple of laughs from me

im not gonna lie

[magic wasp]

glad that's the case lolol

i was also dying of laughter as soon as i took that clip

[magic wasp]

anyway yes yes this actually sounds great

i'm not sure how people haven't thought of that yet

i suppose we were focusing on the mechanic itself more than how our own inputs play into it

hope that idea is acknowledged

[mint lagoon]

anotha one

https://tenor.com/view/anotha-one-dj-khaled-the-latin-recording-academy-another-one-one-more-time-gif-2140015848368429184

[magic wasp]

okay people can we please actually acknowledge this idea though

the more i read this the better it sounds

this would solve 90% of the problem

[mint lagoon]

I mean that would be good definitely

Still need a deadzone increase tho

[wicked orchid]

Consistency over weird flicks and faulty Mouse passing. Even if mouse passing were to be fixed it makes techs such as bladeshot harder. Mouse passing takes away your ability to control camera while passing and adds anothey layer to the direction. IN controller logic Mouse passing is equal to passing with right analog for no reason.
Less directions is a joke because Camera movement + Consistent 8 directions = Freedom with some git gud.

With mouse passing git gud you are practicing for both Consistency and fast pace.

Overall mouse passing is more advanced but also requires player to train for what WASD passing can do with a hold of a button

I had 50 hours on betas. 30 on first one because of how perfect almost everything was in the first beta. Believe me. put same training hours on both methods. WASD will cook Mouse passing. Only will be worse on no look headers in front of goalie at first but as I have said. Can easily be overcomed

[magic wasp]

imo azzrt's suggestion + proper deadzone would likely be more acceptable than regular wasd passing for most, especially for people who didn't enter the beta

the most annoying issue with mouse passing is the terrifying sensitivity and that can be mostly solved with that

[wicked orchid]

even with proper deadzone there is a flaw. which is consistency. Even while standing still Short passes are no way in hell consistent. even for long passes you cant perform 100% accurate 10 same no look pass with mouse

wasd players can

controller players can

And short passes are HELL rn

[magic wasp]

wasd and mouse can both be good in different situations

[wicked orchid]

with improvements surely it can be better but I prefer WASD's consistency over gimmicky freedom 100%

[magic wasp]

but i definitely see people having trouble keeping their movement consistent when using a wasd aimed move

as much as i see people messing up mouse passes cuz it's harder to be accurate depending on what you're used to

[wicked orchid]

Agreed. I came to like mouse passing when I'm going for no look headers. Was able to pinpoint the corners.

[magic wasp]

i suppose both solutions have an equal volume of upsides and downsides

[wicked orchid]

In the first beta there were lots of pass errors as well. you are right.
But the thing is. WASD with 10 hours of training will make all those pass mistakes go away and make you consistent.
Meanwhile Mouse passing will just make some huge mistakes go away but will still make tiny mistakes due to it's nature. Mouse passing cannot be 10/10 consistently accurate afterall

and I prefer to dribble and create opening for my teammates alot rather than wait in front of goalie and go for a no look header so Mouse passing for me especially is nothing but hinderence

[wicked orchid]

its matter of choice and should have been in the first place. its been 2 weeks and still we are forced with mouse passing

[magic wasp]

that's fair

it SHOULD be a setting

as for mouse passing there's also my suggestion of aiming the pass towards the mouse's position relative to the position it was at when the input began, now that i think about it that wouldn't go badly with azzrt's suggestion

[wicked orchid]

mouse passing def needs those improvements

[magic wasp]

this would help with accuracy a crap ton

cuz currently passes are just

i can't really tell how their direction is calculated honestly

[wicked orchid]

the only thing I know is it wasn't put into test

[magic wasp]

all i know is that they're not calculated the way i mentioned

[wicked orchid]

They saw how good it is on paper and poorly implemented it and left it at there

[magic wasp]

it's a common mistake with newer games

[wicked orchid]

Sadly yes. But its my first time seeing a game with so many lacking accessibility options being released. Mostly modern gaming's issues are optimization and for multiplayer games netcode and bugs

[magic wasp]

honestly i've hardly had any suspicions about the netcode of most of the multiplayer games i play

provided they're not on roblox of course

(i despise roblox's default handling of networking with every fiber of my being why do they use json why)

[magic wasp]

very surprising since whilst their netcode seems fine it's absolutely terrifying in terms of client-side optimization

though that era seems to be ending thankfully

[glossy quiver]

How has nothing been done yet?

[edgy violet]

I think their priority is crossplay

[languid kelp]

@edgy violet Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[glossy quiver]

Yeah crossplay really makes the game better 🙄

[languid kelp]

@glossy quiver Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[pale fern]

I think there are enough players currently on all plattforms so crossplay shouldnt have priority over desync issues or fixing gameplay.

[languid kelp]

@pale fern Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[wicked orchid]

not for long. 40% will be gone in 2-3 months

its popular rn due to ads and game being new

at best 3 months later decrease will start no doubt

[sour pivot]

agreed

[sour pivot]

that's what I'm saying. like radio silence. not even a crumb of acknowledgement

[silent sable]

#1384189327327891558 message they did once here, kinda

[calm garden]

Bigger problem is this post
#📢｜announcements message
It's been month since they "acknowledged" that passing is terrible and people might want use system that was used before and they should have it ready and waiting.
But still no wasd passes or any new information when or if they want to do something about this problem.

I don't know much about implementing stuff like that into game build but it shouldn't be this hard considering they had working system already.

[wicked orchid]

for stuff like this when management is poor or devteam thinks its acceptable. Even if workers disagree, they will postpone small fixes and go for a bigger patch instead.

Sloclap most likely will deliver us a complete pass patch that includes proper deadzone settings for mouse passing and an option to switch to WASD with W working as AIM passing properly ( first beta when we Held W near to the pass anination's ends Changing camera direction wouldnt change W pass' direction)

they acknowladge the problem. But they dont think its urgent.

if thats the case,Just like mouse passing being forced change... its a Poor decision making once again

[calm garden]

Sure. Lets just hope that not enough players will drop game because of this poor decision making and lack of communication.

[robust needle]

Updating cosmetics that come with another mountain of bugs doesn't seem to qualify as a "bigger patch" when we have barely heard any acknowledgement about the missing core communication and teamwork mechanics not working as intended, in a game that is all about teamwork.

But I guess monetization > a working product that's fun to play.

[tiny osprey]

WE STILL NEED A PASSING FIX PLEASE

[torn totem]

+1 Fix fast please, or allow us to disable no look passes entirely, is too unreliabla atm in KBM and its not really necesary when you can use the mouse to actually aim the pass with the crosshair.

[lone silo]

One week since last patch and what we get is a microtransaction store fix, yey.

Gold must flow. Being able to play the game proper is more of a suggestion note on the Good Dev's Guide

[wicked orchid]

should have taken 10 days max even if it wasnt a priority. They are ignoring it at this point

Gotta fix it myself Ig. Time to make a WASD macro

[open granite]

im genuinely curious why is the thing not in the game yet?!

[wicked orchid]

Small team and modern gaming issues. Tho state of the release falls behind to even modern gaming when it comes to accessibility...
But its gaming industry. it happens

[lone silo]

Because we allow it

[leaden island]

Devs don't care about mouse and keyboard players it seems

[wicked orchid]

they care. It's just... Not their priority. Wallet comes first

Collabs are keep on coming. They gotta deliver them before everything else

[rapid copper]

PLEASE

[lone silo]

Try setting ingame sens to max. It's omegafun. Every pass is like playing roulette.

[keen rampart]

💀

[mint lagoon]

i was kinda willing to give em some grace, but its been too long at this point lol

[keen rampart]

Exactly lmao

[robust needle]

I want to like this game, because I grew up with Galactik Football of all series, and this gets just about as close to it as it gets.

Hell, I even changed my Steam name to Tia and created a character that looks as close to her as I could get, see if there's people who recognize it.

[sour pivot]

This is why I refunded. Awful devs

[wicked orchid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abU3wxAYKH0

No mention of passing again. But 13:46 shows passing being broken

[lone silo]

OMG AAHSAHSAHSFHJIKAFSGHJKAFGSDHJK

This is perfect. Activate clown world goggles: "everything looks exactly the same"

[calm garden]

Bro, i heard it's just skill issue and m&k passing is working well

[wicked orchid]

The realm of players which says its skill issue

[mint lagoon]

Lmao that clip where the pass went totally wrong way still ended up as a goal is too funny

[shadow fractal]

skill issue

even with mid to high sens which i use

[visual current]

Did you know that it's not the same people who are modeling and texturing 3D assets for your character and also doing the coding of how the ball behaves? I mean, it could be, but it's probably not.
One thing does not necessarily take resources away from another.

Adding a texture to a shirt, for example, is also not the same as figuring out a literal core mechanic that can have compounding effects on a multitude of things. If the texture is missing something it's not a big deal, but breaking something like passing with a haphazard patch to appease impatient, entitled children could be catastrophic.

(The last comment is not directed at the original commenter specifically, just at the general "omg lazy devs fix your game" attitude I've been seeing around.)

That being said, I really can't wait to have WASD passing (or better mouse passing). I'm tired of me clicking the pass button being enough to trigger a directional change.

[wicked orchid]

Some multitasks can happen as you have said but thats not the case that is right. BUT even with a team of 20 people. Ignoring the fixing part, Just bringing back WASD should have took 2 days at Worst With improvements and stuff 2 weeks if its priority. But it seems like sloclap wants a fine-tuned huge patch that solves most of the accessibility issues rather than a quick hotfix

[keen rampart]

I just ask that they pull a tiny patch just to fix this deadzone issue.

It's not that hard

[calm garden]

First thing. Creating 3d model doesn't take away someone who works on coding gameplay. But implementing it most likely does take that person away.

Second. There shouldn't be anything to figure out, they had working system and if they didn't scrap it for some reason they should have it ready to implement. Also forcing experimental system without having old system ready in case if new is broken is just simply stupid move.

Third. One of the worst thing they could do is being silent and not telling their playerbase what is really happening. Guess what are they doing right now.

Also for the last. If by asking developers of game that people PAID money for we act like "entitled children" in your eyes. You should really reevaluate your morals.

[visual current]

It's easy to say that "it should've taken two days" but in reality it might not be as simple. If you just grab the old WASD system and put it in it could have an effect on mouse passing. Then you fix them to work simultaneously with a toggle setting, and then you notice that this toggle completely breaks the pushball mechanic, because it iterates from the same controller that is WASD-directional. And then you have to figure out how to make that work, et cetera.

I'm no programmer so I could be off with my examples, but you get the idea.

[visual current]

1. True.
2. True.
3. True.
   Last: If you felt a sting in your heart when I specifically used the "omg lazy devs" attitude example then maybe you should re-evaluate your morals.

[calm garden]

I personally don't call devs lazy or even talk about them bad. I just think that if you paid for game you are entitled to expect devs to fix things that are not working correctly or keep servers running good for decent ammount of time.
You know simple expectations when you buy something. If you buy new shoes you expect to wear them without problems and if problem occur seller should take responsiblity for their fault, the same applies to game developers.

[quiet sage]

Why not just add a setting that changes the sensitivity of mouse passing?

[wicked orchid]

I'm a graphics designer that did work on some small games. Thats why I gave it 2 days. those 2 days to making sure options are toogleable and one doesnt screw with one another.

[lone silo]

Aren't you guys missing the point? There shouldn't be sides or debates about the time it should take.

The principle here is that if you release a game (full release, no early access or similar), your customers are entitled to a functioning game.

After that maybe you can consider the specifics, but this part most likely won't work in favour of Sloclap.

1. Basic controls are number 1 priority in any game. Can you really argue this point?

2. They had a functioning system that they decided to change completely 1 month before release, without rollback options. And they had a beta in which they acknowledged it was not working properly. Still the released game had the same issues. Doesn't this sound moronic to the general public?

3. It's been 20 days since the release of the game. And I fear it will be many more at the current pace.

4. They kept pushing store content without fixing something as basic as the controls first (or the cross thingy. Won't name it fully in fear of the stupid bot messaging me).

I really like the foundation of the game, and I'd love it to succeed as much as possible, that's why I'm sad watching it bleeding players while the devs release a stupid skin nobody asked for instead of fixing the issues.

I'm no developer, but isn't it common after the release of a game (particularly if it's a big hit as this one) to double efforts for a while when the iron is hot? It happens in many other professions. After that then you'll be able to sit back, rest and spend your holidays while your product is in a good state.

[wicked orchid]

If a game is not so popular this state of a release usually happens under an Early Access most of the time. If a game is popular and is going to be a huge hit. Regardless of the game's state it will be released.
The game was popular. They sold over 3mil iirc ? it was a success. Now all they have to do is fix things fast or slowly doesnt matter to them cuz the game is already a huge profit for them. They are able to take things slow and seems like they will.
Since the game is pay to play player count decrease doesnt matter much to them since even a single buy is profit for them.

Sloclap is good tho they will surely deliver. It's just gonna take months for this game to be like really really good and reach a complete release state

hope they deliver the passing patch fast

[mint lagoon]

Great point naamari. If they added a hot fix to increase deadzone for mouse, and/or reimplement an already tested and previously implemented way of passing the results would be Catastrophic!!

I'm sure they want to do a proper fix where they implement a new and improved system, but leaving players in limbo when there are obvious solutions that dont cause harm is certainly a choice..

[calm garden]

Sorry, but reading that made me certain you are stupid and have no idea how bussiness works while talking with confidence.

[lone silo]

Not sure if calling someone stupid and dismissing his argument entirely helps creating healthy and productive debates. But you do you

[wicked orchid]

your problem isnt with me but with modern gaming. They can get away with it so they are doing it there is nothing wrong with what i have said

[calm garden]

You are probably right. I'm just losing braincells from reading people who defend these developers when they spit on us while destroying one of the games that had a lot of potential but will probably die out because of terrible PR and neglect.

Also for me there is no debate with person who would accept developers that after getting their initial money will slow development of the game.

[lone silo]

That's a valid point, but you can walk away from the discussion with grace instead of personal attacks. What a wonderful place the earth would be if everyone did that 💀

There is a reason why trying to debate online with randoms is viewed as a meme and a waste of time. In short time people start proffering insults to each other and leave the arguments aside

[wicked orchid]

I'm not accepting it. I'm just spitting out how they think. Sometimes the whole team can disagree with the state of a game but the game can be released due to managers' decisions.
Because companies wants to get results after some time. Sadly with modern gaming its not about providing a good game but providing results.
Sloclap is not as bad as ubisoft at least they acknowladge the game's problems. They are just making hella bad decisions

[still nebula]

idk what are they doing

still no patchnote

[still nebula]

they are just waiting their game to be dead i guess, still no patch since 10 days like ubisoft does, they sell 3 millions games and now they don't care about it

[wicked orchid]

They will hide behind the fact that they are working on crossplay most likely. Or other future stuffs. which can be true but again. Poor decision making once again. They gotta fix current problems cuz if they dont the game wont have a future to go with anyway

[languid kelp]

@wicked orchid Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[wicked orchid]

dyno sybau

[lone silo]

Crossplay

[languid kelp]

@lone silo Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[lone silo]

Crossplay

[languid kelp]

@lone silo Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[lone silo]

Crossplay

[languid kelp]

@lone silo Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[lone silo]

This bot is really dumb, gotta love it

I'm being patient Dyno, but I don't care balls about crossplay. Just give me functional controls please

[languid kelp]

@lone silo Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[lone silo]

Stop it Dyno, it's already dead

[cunning ivy]

we need WASD pass now guys, at elite games I need 100% precision, this is so annoying tbh...

i miss easy passes... during beta my passes were always perfect and precise...

kbm can't compete at actual state

controller is so OP in everything... just shooting probably is sligtly better for kbm

but if u are used to play with controller shooting is still very good

[keen rampart]

It's not jut slightly

It's way better

You can aim it while shooting

This is a really good advantage

[keen rampart]

This might be a skill issue from me, since I am not a good player but it's kinda impossible for me to do a Blade Shot from the sides

in a controller it's so much easier

The problem with this is that the camera gets stuck, so I have to flick it completely accurately

Kinda impossible in a match

[wicked orchid]

too too hard

such simple mechanic turns out to be a hustle ingame

and people still defend mouse passing

[wicked orchid]

you can do it while running sideways thats easier. but doing it with 45 degrees is impossible

you can flick short lob to sideways while holding X or whatever the short lob button is. easier than flick aiming to shoot

[visual current]

Muscle memory. Also your sensitivity seems low.

[keen rampart]

Not really low

My DPI is really low but my sensitivity in-game is in 1.6

[visual current]

DPI affects the overall sensitivity, so same end result.

[mint lagoon]

No you are right because the camera locks for a second it's not really practical to do that way

Its a bit better if you run sideways while looking at goal tho, but still not great because your mouse flick has to be perfect

[mint lagoon]

Bro doesn't know what he's talking about lmao, this situation isn't the same at all

Your camera isn't locked here

[visual current]

I mean, the situation of looking at the ball and then turning quickly at the direction you want to shoot at BEFORE you click is exactly the same. Other than that I don't know what you mean.

[mint lagoon]

No its not the same at all, you are aware that passing and shooting locks your camera from looking for a second right?

You are only shooting here not doing 2 actions so your camera is never locked

If you sre playing mouse and dont even realize this idk what to say

If you want to pass to yourself then shoot, after passing you can't move your camera for a second so you can't even aim

[visual current]

Ah yeah I didn't realize that was the thing being talked about, I was focused on the not being able to turn part of it

[keen rampart]

Yeah, this ''camera lock'' ruins the whole thing lol

[wicked orchid]

giving direction to the short passes is almost impossible also

[woven briar]

I don't even flick most time 90% of it is just positioning I keep my reticle where I want to score wait for the lock on sfx and shoot

Mini map helps also

[keen rampart]

Yeah, I do the same but you can't do this with Blade Shot

from sideways

[mint lagoon]

Yeah the issue is combination inputs like blade shot

For normal shooting mouse is very good

[lone silo]

22 days, still here

[polar thistle]

I like mouse passing, but it needs tweaking or a more elegant solution.

The "direction flick" should average the direction your mouse moves over the duration of pressing the button.

Perhaps a "hold" key to use WASD that locks the camera too, which allows "pre-aiming" using WASD to aim a pass (using the pass button to pass) that isn't held and are low speed.

[wicked orchid]

I didnt understand the last part. WASD's adventage is being able to control camera and give angle to no looks using ASD. W to aim and pass just like shooting. Why lock the camera on WASD ??? isn't that dumb

[polar thistle]

There will inevitably be people who will complain about the direction changes caused by the mouse input they accidentally didn't keep track of and moved, missing their shot.

And it's only meant to be held very briefly prior to pressing no look pass. You can still use the mouse to get the angle, immediately before pressing the pre-aim button.

[wicked orchid]

back then with WASD passing people wanted to dribble while passing so they pressed accidental WASD and had failed passes. That was skill issue tho. That kind of method can be applied to Mouse passing 100% that would be so good

[polar thistle]

I mainly suggested it as a way for mouse aimers to pre-aim their short passes, in which no look mouse passes always lock the camera.

Example: Hold caps lock and your camera freezes, mouse passing is disabled during this, and WASD aiming takes over, pressing a pass button will use the pre-held WASD button.

[cedar path]

Or use a controller? Imagine playing a arcade soccer game on mouse and keyboard 🤣🤣

[polar thistle]

Imagine making fun of input methods over some weird superiority complex

[cedar path]

My comment stands, use a controller. This is a controller game, not mouse and keyboard, go play call of duty or grow a garden

Yawn

[stable temple]

I agree

A game designed for controllers will never be a good keyboard and mouse game

But it also doesn't hurt to make it as good as it can be

[wicked orchid]

your kind hurts gaming and also the reason why modern gaming is in this state ngl

When the games are not optimized I bet you also say upgrade your pc

[stable temple]

Unoptimized games are the worst

Companies that require frame gen to hit 60 FPS deserve to go bankrupt.

[lucid fog]

The most important thing is to add OPTIONS. Some people will enjoy wasd pass while others want to aim their passes (crosshair) and some might even prefer the current awful system.

[stable temple]

True

I think if you release the game on pc as one of the main platforms. Keyboard and mouse should be a viable option

[wicked orchid]

Which they could have done in the first place after the first public beta. But we have to open threads and keep talking about it instead cuz of poor decision making. 100% they didnt even playtest mouse passing. They just saw its good on paper and decided to go with it

[lyric canopy]

Bro, imagine you buy the game for $30 AND you buy a controller just so you can "play optimally". That's just asking too much

[wicked orchid]

It's not a should. It's a must. Main components for PC gaming are mouse and keyboard not controller. Controller is extra. And no excuse to a core mechanic working poorly which we know can be easily fixed

[stable temple]

From software been doing it since forever

[worn hinge]

Precision with mouse passing can be good the problem is in the system itself, rn it's laggy and not much responsive... imagine if it worked like let's say a "8ballpool" where you can drag it how you want both in terms of direction and strenght aaand the pass only goes out when you release the button, this would allow mouse passing to be great!

[stable temple]

Dark souls doesn't even show you the pc buttons xD

So stupid

[wicked orchid]

indeed. with the way it is its extremely shitty and its impossible to change direction of short passes

[lyric canopy]

Specially considering most of your playerbase is probably going to be on PC

[wicked orchid]

Im not even gonna talk about how shit blade shotting is

[stable temple]

Don't underestimate console numbers

[worn hinge]

yeah, imagine if you could drag it slowly and calmly push the strenght to maximum and back down to minimum as you want to, drag the direction to anywhere you want and drag back to another direction if you need and then release the button... would be so great and useful mechanic like: aim precisely for a great pass if you have space to do so, or pass quickly to avoid losing the ball if you're in a hard situation oor lose the ball trying to be a perfectionist hahaha

[lyric canopy]

I'm not but I see a lot more mnk than controller players

[lucid fog]

As someone with a bunch of hours aimtraining, that feels like a positive. Having to have fast and precise wide angle flicks to have good passes would be fun skill expression.

Nvm u meant with the current system

[lyric canopy]

The best solution I've seen for better passing is the mouse applications where you can set a Profile for Rematch (something like the app for Razer or Logitech). You set it to where your DPI goes low when passing. Still trying to figure it out tho

[worn hinge]

I see more controllers and they're hard to dribble, they dibble easier than mousekb players and they have more precise pass/high pass, their downside is the direct shot but they don't need it with blade shots and etc, I have a controller friend with more goals than matches on SA Elite.

[lyric canopy]

Thing is tho is that you need branded mouse

[lucid fog]

I have done this and it works alright. But for my logitech mice the software only allows as low as 50dpi so its still possible to screw it up, but less likely. I also have mice from endgamegear that i cant use for rematch since their software doesnt have macros

[lyric canopy]

That's honestly fair, I think it's coz mnk controls are more spread out that it is on controller. Both has pros and cons

[lyric canopy]

Out of 10, how often do you feel the pass screws up or misses?

[wicked orchid]

On a game that is going to be crossplatform soon that skill expression is nothing but a hinderence and extra difficulty. Cuz what you call skill expression can be easily done by a controller player with a thumb movement. Faster and better than any kbm player

[lucid fog]

Without macro, 8/10 despite trying to hold mouse still. With macro like 1/10. The times i screw up with macro is where i try to subconsciously adjust my pass with the mouse

[lyric canopy]

That's actually a pretty good improvement, I need to get on that.

[lucid fog]

Isnt that the way in most crossplay games. I have 1000s of hours in aimtrainers for tracking in games like apex, as it should be skill expression. But roller can do the same :D. either way i think it would be my preffered way of passing regardless of skill expression

[languid kelp]

@lucid fog Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[lyric canopy]

Does logitech have the rematch as a viable option to set as a profile yet? When I checked, it wasn't an option for me

[lucid fog]

Yeah. If u have g hub compatible mouse i can send it to u

[lyric canopy]

Might need to update the app

[lucid fog]

No. I have one profile with the macro, a bit annoying

[stable temple]

I don't think most console players hang out here. Alot of people just play casually

[lyric canopy]

Damn, I'll just try to figure it out, might also tweak some stuff aside from the passing

[stable temple]

Or did you mean in game maybe xD

[lyric canopy]

That's honestly fair. I hear discord is cheeks on console

[stable temple]

Ye

[wicked orchid]

the gap is too big here tho. Similar to playing CS with a controller. With the current system you have to train for Consistency and Pace.
I'm definitely switching to WASD the moment it comes because WASD requires only Precision training. it has only 1 minus meanwhile mouse passing has 2 minuses

[lyric canopy]

Both (open mics with clicky keyboards lmao)

[stable temple]

xD

[wicked orchid]

Also is there a way to make Macro work for F and X buttons as well ?

cuz macro only works for right click

[lucid fog]

With mouse aim pass u could defo do very good. Tho things like 180* passes will ofc be slower

[lyric canopy]

Probably

[stable temple]

Is there a way to see who is using what in game?

[lyric canopy]

Depends on the software I think

[lyric canopy]

I don't think there is. Hopefully they make it so that it indicates whether or not you're on controller or not

[lucid fog]

Probably gonna be more difficult, since the keyboard softwares wont have a dpi switch available in their macros

[wicked orchid]

especially when defending Flicking is so bad for me. Meanwhile I know I can do correct no look actions with WASD easily and clear the ball perfectly with a header

RN if my action is interrupted I accidentally spin my camera and lose my traction lmao

[lucid fog]

I never used the wasd passing, but id imagine its not very precise since theres only 8 directions

[lyric canopy]

I recommend bumping your dpi up a bit

[wicked orchid]

my dpi is 3200

ingame sens 2

[lyric canopy]

Adjust it to where you're comfortable with your regular actions as well as the one with flicks

[wicked orchid]

It becomes precise with camera control. so 8 Consistent angles + mouse camera control = Precision

and believe me. It works better

[lyric canopy]

Ohh damn. I have mine at 1600 lmao

[lucid fog]

I guess. Will still take time to get used to for me compared to crosshair aim which i have like 15000 hours of experience with

[polar thistle]

I use 800 and have little issues with passing. I actually hate the dead zone more than not having one. I can't add slight curves to my shots because dead zone on a mouse makes no god dang sense.

[lucid fog]

And i dont really care about optimality for myself as i play the game very casually

[wicked orchid]

I still have first beta just to compare passing in freeplay. I miss WASD. You could just hold W to aim a pass :(

[lucid fog]

Is there deadzone for curves on shots?

[wicked orchid]

you will 100% like the wasd when it comes then. It's better than pre aiming and letting the mouse go. you either hold W or no movement keys at all and pure aim

[lucid fog]

Btw something i have noticed is that sometimes i can move aim after i start shooting on mnk. This is gamebreaking since then when i go to curve the ball i aim completely off

[drifting pecan]

is this confirmed to be coming?

[wicked orchid]

wasd pass ? yep

[drifting pecan]

awesome

[wicked orchid]

tell that to Controller players. They can aim left then aim right mid shot animation and pull direction fakes on GK

[lucid fog]

Yes but wont i want to be moving freely while aiming my pass. Standing still while passing to avoid sending it off the wrong direction seems just as clunky as what we have now

[lucid fog]

Im kinda used to controller having upper hand in every game despite being a natively worse input

Tho its kinda crazy they can adjust post shot while mnk cant

[polar thistle]

Most definitely. On 800 dpi and low sens it's really noticeable. I have to move my mouse faster than a certain speed or it won't add any curve, and the sweet spot for a tiny curve or somewhat small is just non existent

[lucid fog]

Tbf i just max curve or nothing

[wicked orchid]

Due to game's nature the game doesn't accept any movement input during passes since even controller players uses Left analog for passing. So The way pass movement works is It registers last movement button pressed and holds it while you can aim your pass with Movement INPUT.

so movement during passing is impossible

the game doesnt allow it in the first place

thats why WASD passing makes perfect sense

[lucid fog]

That makes sense.

And sounds good i guess

[wicked orchid]

giving curve to shots with WASD would be the true diabolical input method. But passing is okay

[polar thistle]

Sure, that's what most would do. But it's skill expression suppressed by shit input. More precise curves would be cool, especially if you want to curve slow shot passes

[wicked orchid]

Up curves are not as strong as other three sides. So if you want to give slight right or left curves you can always do it by going for upper sided curves. I do that alot personally. Pinpoint curves and shots

[polar thistle]

Ah, that's neat. Still sucks though, cuz a slight top-spin would be nice to pull off more consistently

[lone silo]

You took the ragebait from yet another room temperature IQ gaymer

Although to be fair posting the "AI" answer from google was pretty funny

[lucid fog]

Current curve system is fine since they wont let us aim shot anyway

[lucid fog]

Most of my time played i have been passing by shooting at my teammates because pass is so broken. I agree about the curve but so many bigger issue rn.

[lucid fog]

He has to be ragebaiting. Suggesting cod for an mnk player is like suggesting running as a hobby to someone in a wheelchair. That game straight up discriminates against mnk players.

[lone silo]

Playing shooters in 2025 with a mouse lol

Get aim assisted nerd

I'm fairly sure some Apex pros use controller just for the aim assist

[lucid fog]

yes

[lucid fog]

yes

[lucid fog]

yes

[quiet sage]

yes?

[icy spire]

yes!

[mint lagoon]

I always think its super funny when people say the game is obviously going to be better on controller

Its honestly a self snitch lmao

In many ways the keyboard mouse is better, for shot aiming and certain dribble tech that requires fast camera 180s

Also plenty of top players use mouse and keyboard so..

[keen rampart]

Btw if keyboard and mouse gain attention on these problems and have better control ofc, it will certainly be the best way to play rematch

imo the only advantage that controller players have is the precision they can achieve more easily

[wicked orchid]

they have their own shot fake tech

im not talkinga bout the pause glitch one

the direction one

Controller can change aim during shooting animation. With high sens this means they can make GKs jump left and hit to right. Since shooting animation will give the hint to the left

the closer the shoot the effective tech gets

[keen rampart]

Yeah, exactly

That's what I'm talking about

[mint lagoon]

yeah i feel with changes like either wasd or ideally better mouse controls mouse keyboard is actually better than controller

and shot aim is a big deal, like if you aim bottom corners its kinda impossible to save as keeper

even if you react correctly and quickly it just doesnt matter

[keen rampart]

and also the goalkeeper's dive to the sides is a bit strange, if the player shoots at goal with the pass button and you dive towards the ball, sometimes it just goes under you

idk why this happens

[mint lagoon]

yeah passing in the box is honestly very powerful if i get the chance its always what i go for

grounded balls in general are hard to save because the dive animation

[lone silo]

Do not fret my guys, if eventually keyboard and mouse become par with controller, aim assist will come to the rescue.

[keen rampart]

No, don't say that 😭

[lone silo]

Bro

They did post a patch note LMAO

With literally nothing btw

And a "maybe we'll post a patch in two weeks or so bye"

[calm garden]

At least they said something. Might be useless talk about future patch without any dates or certain infos, but they didn't forget that game is released already.

Would be cool to know when is this "major patch"

[keen rampart]

I thought it was something good 😭

[wicked orchid]

spamming wasd emotes on posts as reaction till wasd pass comes back day: I forgor

[mint lagoon]

😴

[lone silo]

I still have hope for the patch. If it ends up being hot garbage I guess I'll think revisiting the game in a year or so

[wicked orchid]

if next patch is garbage game will die in a year

you wont have a game to revisit

[lone silo]

Even better

Because by then everyone will be already a tiktoker tech tryhard

Using 1000 different exploits per game

[pliant cobalt]

bro just tell them controller is better and move on any game that requires aiming will be better on kbm but let em
have it man

@devout vortex

brother

give us a damn deadzone

[keen rampart]

Don't ping on them

[pliant cobalt]

all were asking

[keen rampart]

You can be timed out

Unfortunately

[pliant cobalt]

damn

[keen rampart]

It's simple

They just don't want to listen

xd

We have to wait weeks just to hear "yes, the KBM is being worked on" and there's still a chance we won't even hear it

So yeah, it sucks

[pliant cobalt]

i have adapted to this passing style

but when i see a clip of someone controller passing i just get so jealous bro

its so wonky for us man

they have it easy

mfers dont even need to turn the camera

[keen rampart]

Let's just play like this guy, controller in the left hand and the keyboard on the right LMAOOO

[pliant cobalt]

LMAOOO

[keen rampart]

I feel u broda

[pliant cobalt]

might just be the way

[pliant cobalt]

who cares man they need 6 business days to aim anyways

[keen rampart]

I mean if they are minimally good and have high sensitivity, it's almost the same thing

But kbm still better imo

but I think it's a big advantage to be able to aim while charging the kick 😭

I wish I had this

[pliant cobalt]

yeah i take that back

when ur close to the post

and magically fkn move 5 feet to the left wirhout being able to adjust

its just ass

but its hard to implement cuz of the finesse modifier

[keen rampart]

Yeah

Big problem

lmao

A lot of things to be tweaked

I mean

They can see it anyways 😭

[pliant cobalt]

NAHH

lmao

[keen rampart]

You're cooked buddy

[pliant cobalt]

just give us damn passing

fuk eveyrtji g else

i wanna pass shoot it to the opposite direction of the goal without having anxiety man

[keen rampart]

LMAO

[keen rampart]

My anxiety and my desperation always ruins my shot pass

I aim perfectly well where I want, but for some damn reason I despair and move the mouse BY A MILLIMETER and my pass goes to another country

[pliant cobalt]

i can literally pass wherever i want 360 degrees

[keen rampart]

Same, I just aim it with my camera

Not a big deal

[pliant cobalt]

but the tiny adjustments are what kill me

im on 400 dpi

1 sens

bro

[keen rampart]

💔

[pliant cobalt]

nah the no look passes work perfectly fine

its just the tiny adjustment that kill the passing for me

like if i wanted to adjust it 30 degrees

its going to narnia

[shut radish]

these devs just don't get it 🤷‍♂️

at least add the option of wasd passing or mouse passing. introducing the game with wasd passing, then switching it to mouse passing without giving us the option to go back is just ruining it

[keen rampart]

Devs sleeping atp

[lone silo]

Nah guys they are working hard prepping the best cosmetics for the store. They are the good guys right?

https://tenor.com/view/microtransactions-micro-gif-27175772

I know they are not the same workers involved in patches and in art and animation but it is so fucking funny they keep updating the store every few days with content nobody cares about

[wicked orchid]

its good for the game actually

If the game wasnt an unfinished product

remember they also dared to pull " Games never finished are they ?" move back in one of their announcements

[lone silo]

And btw who tf is this guy

I'd rather see the vitiligo bald man, ngl

10 bucks for that. Lmao even if it was free I'd feel scammed

[sour pivot]

Week 4 of being happy I refunded 🙂‍↕️ Literally just fix the passing and I'd be a customer

[robust needle]

Unfortunately, there's more things wrong rather than just the passing, I've noticed.

[icy spire]

At this point crossplay will arrive before a fix for KNM passing

[languid kelp]

@icy spire Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[keen rampart]

I'm pretty sure it will

I'll not complain anyways since it's a good thing

Instead of updating the damn store

but I'm sure crossplay will be very buggy

[languid kelp]

@keen rampart Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[mint lagoon]

Its pretty common where someone can't even interact with the ball and has to leave the game

Really bad bug and way too common

Also I feel like connection issues have just been worse for like a week

[shut radish]

Is it possible to allow simultaneous use of a controller and mouse? You can replace all of the left-hand WASD/Sprint/Defense Mode functionality with the Joystick/LB/LT, and you could still look around with the mouse, pass, lob, everything. Passing and spin on a shot would be dependent on the joystick direction like the current controller inputs. The mouse would basically be the right joystick + buttons. The biggest problem I can see with this at the moment would be removing space bar on your left hand, so you'd have to re-bind jump to something else. Mouse passing would also need to be disabled (if they ever allow us to choose).

It's niche, but I feel like this could be a potential solution.

[wicked orchid]

How they felt when implementing mouse passing

[mint lagoon]

Id be down with that as an option using both, as insane as it might seem to some. I dont think its possible to do right now tho

I used to play slapshot rebound and used controller and mouse together

Controller for movement and mouse for stick handling

[shut radish]

yeah the 360 degree movement is nice while also having the freedom of mouse aiming

that's how i would play if they allowed us to

[mint lagoon]

Would be a cool option, I would probably still use just mouse but would be nice to have

But at this point im praying for just adding wasd lmao so

[shut radish]

lmao

same

[slim roost]

They’re aware of it I know it’s super frustrating and I’m on keyboard I get it

[lament prawn]

we need 20 more shop updates first

[wicked orchid]

we gonna get reflective socks and caps fixing first

[lament prawn]

make sure the hair physics is correct too 😊

[wicked orchid]

then 4 more 10 dollars packages and some weird collabs

I swear I could have fixed it until now all by myself by just bypassing easy anti cheat

at the cost of removing custom keymapping and turning controls back to first beta

[lament prawn]

we're gonna get a collab with like joseph hopkins

[wicked orchid]

[lament prawn]

eac isn't even good either 😭

[wicked orchid]

I dont wanna violate it tho it can easily be bypasses I'm aware

But I'm used to last beta's control scheme. Returning back to first beta control scheme would be painful as well

[lament prawn]

any usermode ac sucks tbf :p

i'd rather the first beta and relearn

them to stick with this shitty mouse aim

[wicked orchid]

if they take it too long I might

ngl

I still have the first beta files

[lament prawn]

if u don't, i will.

i have my own custom toolkit for memory analysis and stuff. i will if i really have to 😭

[wicked orchid]

dayumn

nice

Returning back to old control scheme with first beta files should be easy I believe as well

[lament prawn]

yeah probably, i mean it shouldn't be THAT hard to reimplement though right? just scan input, and patch the functions that handle the direction calculation for mouse using the input you read

if it's THIS easy to do it without any idea about the codebase. why can't the devs just do it themselves and i don't have to break any rules

[wicked orchid]

thats why im mad

glazers cant stop defending tho

[lament prawn]

i'm not sure if sloclap has always been this slow at development but considering the dev team and content team are separate, why has the content team done 100x more than the devs. i could argue game development atleast the swe portion isn't really that difficult unless the codebase is absolute garbage

[wicked orchid]

totally my thoughts man Unless the game is coded shitty like undertale

its a fix they could do in 2 days

at worst

[lament prawn]

even 2 days is pushing it, i could rewrite a crude version of rematch in 2 days

[wicked orchid]

I bet everything will come in one patch tho. Mouse passing fixes with deadzone sliders and WASD coming back with W working as aim to pass

kind of shit

If not the game deserves to die ngl

[lament prawn]

agreed

i don't think it should be rushed but cmon they are kinda pushing it no?

[wicked orchid]

Because when studios are late to the fixes. They do that alot. They bring the fix with IMPROVEMENTS ( probably improvements that takes 3 days at best) and release it like a month later

we did that

so I know

[crystal oxide]

Mixed input would be fuckin great. Particularly for anyone using Hall Effect keyboards which are growing in popularity.

[wicked orchid]

But even the studio I worked for WASNT THAT STUPID tho. We didnt delete a whole control scheme when we wanted to improve and rewise it

[lament prawn]

i hate mega patches. it's always just toying with the player base

frequent micro patches is better than one micro patch every 2 months

because atleast the game will feel like it's being worked on

[wicked orchid]

Japanese industry bullshits

sometimes patches can do harm rather than improvement even

look at how tekken 8 died for example

[lament prawn]

exactly, micro patches make feedback easier too

[wicked orchid]

one wrong patch from sloclap and rematch shares the same faith as tekken ngl

Crossplay wont save it. bug fixes and accessibility stuff are bigger issue than crossplay

[languid kelp]

@wicked orchid Crossplay unfortunately couldn’t make it day one. It’s coming asap please be patient.

[lament prawn]

exactly, right now all my friends rebought on steam just to play together. it's too late to prioritize cross play now

they took wayyy too long and now people care more about why the game still feels like beta

[crystal oxide]

honestly if there is any issue I'd say the ball Dsync stuff is the biggest. The occasional rando direction mouse pass and cross play stuff are annoyances but the ball teleporting all the time when it resynces is what threatens the game on a competitive level if they are targeting the ESports crowd

[wicked orchid]

"its been only a moooonth relaaaaax"

[lament prawn]

it's the issue with every modern game publisher just decides to send it and releases a terrible product when the devs are still working on it

[wicked orchid]

First beta was better and for bugs people said

"its only beta relax"

last beta

which was like a demo

since there was 2 weeks left to release

[lament prawn]

yeah. i think the net code is awful. worse than rocket league lag. atleast epic tries 😭

[wicked orchid]

"its only another beta relaaaaax"

they said

[wicked orchid]

Now they cope like this

[lament prawn]

exactly

i had high hopes for sloclap

but they destroyed their rep for me

[wicked orchid]

I mean... Makers of Sifu

[crystal oxide]

honestly i remember bombing run and those varients in like Unreal in the late 90s early 2000s had better ball syncing

[wicked orchid]

Sifu was a masterpiece

downfall is crazy

Gaming industry and it's deadlines man.... This game needed at least half a year in development. With the speed they are going a year at minimum

we are paying to be beta testers and the game will die in 3 months

Bet

[lament prawn]

i bet i could write better netcode FROM SCRATCH with RAW C SOCKET CODE. it's due to the fact that it was rushed like super heavy

[lament prawn]

exactly

i hate to say it but marathon did better than rematch. apart from the art stealing and stuff

when it comes to managing a community

i really want the best for this game but sloclap doesn't seem to

[wicked orchid]

even roblox blue lock games has better netcode. JSON NETCODES ARE BETTER

[lament prawn]

it's really json? 😭

[wicked orchid]

roblox netcodes are json from what i know yeah

[lament prawn]

i wonder how sloclap does their netcode, i'll probably just run like a wireshark instance and see im curious

[wicked orchid]

If the game had a proper accessibility and the base was solid. I wouldn't bother netcode issues

I know netcode takes around 6 months at minimum

[lament prawn]

yeah it can get super complex super quick

[wicked orchid]

but everything is a mess here. And the core of this game passing is hell on KBM. Both combined the game is frustrating than fun

I'm fighting Both the LAG and THE GAME ITSELF cuz mouse passing was done dirty

[lament prawn]

yeah, i just hate how it was so rushed

[wicked orchid]

the timing was superb as well. Everyone got bored of fifa. We were looking for something new for football games

If it wasnt rushed...

could have been next fifa fr

if the game wasnt giving Beta vibes No one would care about ronaldinho or whoever they add. People would gladly buy most likely

[lament prawn]

we need more shop updates😭

[wicked orchid]

I have told this after seeing final beta on reddit. If the game gets released like this and with no quick patches. we will be lucky to have 10k players after 3 months

I wish to be wrong

[lament prawn]

itsd going to keep going down, one spike for the upcoming patch then a decline again

[wicked orchid]

yep. Release is the first impression afterall. Unless you are lucky like no man's sky miracles wont happen

[lament prawn]

figured out atlesast its not json, the framework is good, just the math itself is awful

its RTCP

raw packets

[wicked orchid]

at least there is hope

[keen rampart]

The most anticipated crossover of all time

[mint lagoon]

Would be an insane crossover

Collab with good netcode without constant desync when

[robust needle]

As long as that includes reticle passing and fixing inconsistent goalkeeper dives as well, I'll probably reinstall the game.

[shut radish]

the goalkeeper dives aren't inconsistent lol

[robust needle]

They are incredibly inconsistent.

I find my goalkeeper doing a super high dive on low balls, even in defensive stance.

[shut radish]

then slide or walk into the ball without jumping

on low balls

my question is why is rainbow kick WASD directional, but short lob is mouse directional? WHY

[mint lagoon]

i do think low balls are a little too strong against keepers personally

if you go bottom corner its sorta just a guaranteed goal

[bleak sundial]

This only steam tho… I bet when cross play comes out game will have a semi bigger audience not necessarily gonna be big but a game like this with cross play would perform way better

Can imagine as a lot of people didn’t get the game due to cross play not out on release

Looking at the sold copies info steam really could only track amount of 1.5 between playstation and steam Additionally, Rematch has reached 3 million unique players, with 1.5 million copies sold across PlayStation and computer platforms, and another 2.5 million players logging in through Xbox's Game Pass service.
Steams not tracking the 2.5 Xbox game pass

[lone silo]

They are indeed. When I 1v1'd any goalkeeper I don't think I've missed a low ball to the post unless I fuck it up myself.

Goalkeepers not being able to choose the height of the jump is an issue, and I bet this will get fixed eventually, because goalkeeper slides are slow and clunky, unfit for many saves. Many top tier gks recommend you to never use it, figures.

What the devs will likely implement is a modifier like the one we have when lobbing the ball. Choose between low jumps or normal jumps, just like it happens in real life.

[robust needle]

Rainbow flicks in front of goal are also too strong.

Because the autocatch does whatever it wants.

You can E slide towards a ball when it's on someone's feet, and then it's a coinflip of whether or not your goalie actually catches it, but the odds are rigged to tails.

[keen rampart]

Yep

That's kinda true

it's easy to catch but at the same time it's impossibl

lmao

[robust needle]

Nothing beats: "Good job!" "Well done!" "Well played!" "Tekkers!" after whiffing a slide save despite being perfectly on point.

God, I wish this game was functional.

[keen rampart]

In the region where I play I never suffer from this because everyone knows how shitty the goalkeeper slide is LMAO

[keen rampart]

We all wish

This game it's like

40% done in my opinion

[robust needle]

Someone posted a clip in my thread and it's like: Yeah, that just doesn't look right and wouldn't have happened in a functional game.

[keen rampart]

They rushed the release

[robust needle]

It feels like it.

[keen rampart]

Yeah it doesnt feel right

Btw outside the box people can tackle you during the ball grabbing animation

LMAO

[robust needle]

I had that happen to me.

[keen rampart]

You can't do nothing

about it

just accept it

[robust needle]

That was the moment I was like: "Yeah, no. I'm done. I'm uninstalling."

Funny how the opposing team can do it to you, but not you to them.

Because there's no in-field rules, a goalie is able to handle the ball outside of the box without a penalty.

But of course, you can't ever slide tackle the ball out of their hands in the same way they can do it to you.

[keen rampart]

Exactly

And I don't know why this happens

[robust needle]

I wish I had an answer.

[keen rampart]

This was supposed to be a goal, the goalkeeper dived into the other way

🤦‍♂️

The ball just teleported to his hands

[wicked orchid]

he catched it first then jumped. Legit save

these stuff are nitpicking when we have much bigger issues ngl. Thats not a bug but an issue of game's core

how they made the game

[keen rampart]

I mean

It's kinda strange imo

But who knows

[wicked orchid]

wonky ah animations i agree

[keen rampart]

there is a very clear distance of where the ball is going in comparison to the goalkeeper

but idk tbh

[robust needle]

Willy Wonk ah animations.

But that ain't no chocolate.

[keen rampart]

unfortunately

💔

[robust needle]

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Who is old enough to know Austin Powers?