When goalkeepers carry the ball inside their own net it should count as a goal.

[bright thorn]

When a goalkeeper saves a shot they can, sometimes, save it in a way where they throw themselves inside the net with the ball in hand. This currently does not count as a goal but I think it should.

[remote heath]

Devs this a must

[shy crystal]

They'll first need to adress the 'jankiness'. Sometimes when you save it throws you behind the line through no fault of your own. It's gonna be annoying af now if it would count as a goal

[remote heath]

True I mean there is a metric shit ton of "jankiness" to fix at the moment. But hopefully they can make it so scoring a goal counts as a goal in their soccer game

[random crypt]

I think it would feel WAY worse as a GK to save a ball and it still goes in because of the animation you did, than it does to see your shot go in the goal but not score because its in the GKs hands.

[remote heath]

Crazy idea ik but they could always just fix the gk mechanics so you're not sent into the goal. If you're diving backwards into it tho thats on you. If the ball crosses the goal line that should be a goal, end of story

[random crypt]

I disagree, now what?

[remote heath]

With which part?

[random crypt]

at a stalemate when you dont elaborate your opinion 😄

cant just say "end of story" when its your opinion. Why does that result in a better game experience?

[remote heath]

An objective rule of soccer is not an opinion sorry

[random crypt]

Cool, there are tons of soccer rules that arent used here

do you think thats also bad?

no offside, no throw ins, no fouls

we should have those?

end of story?>

[remote heath]

Fair point, but scoring a goal is kinda at the center of this game

So if you do score a goal it should count as a goal you know

[random crypt]

right and if you grab the ball as a GK you should have saved it

[remote heath]

Unless you dive into the goal and score a goal for the other team?

Then it should be a goal

[random crypt]

why

[shy crystal]

Guys I think your both on the same side. If the animation doesn't throw you in the net it's fine if it counts as a goal. As of now though it does do that so it shouldn't count. We all agree on that no?

[random crypt]

no I believe that if a GK grabs the ball they should not be able to own goal

unless they drop it

ball in hands = not in play

thats why the goal goes dark

[shy crystal]

Ah I see

[remote heath]

No I am not on the same side as someone saying goals should not count as goals LMAO

[random crypt]

if you want to explain why you think own goaling as the GK like this would make the game better then im all for that discussion, but if your opinion only stems from: this is the rule IRL so this is how it should work here. I dont think you have ground to stand on

[shy crystal]

I see both sides, but I think Bex his argument is indeed the better one, it's better for the flow of the game and saves frustration

[random crypt]

this isnt IRL, there are tons of IRL rules that have been ignored for this game so that it results in a better experience

I think own goaling as a GK like that is a good rule to leave behind, it would just make playing a GK feel shit

cause it doesnt feel like you have that kind of control over the dive

you would feel punished but not for a mistake YOU feel like you made

just because the game decided to throw you that direction at that time

[remote heath]

Yes offsides, fouls, out of bounds, etc are not part of the game. Scoring goals is part of the game, some may say an extremely large part of the game. So when you score a goal it should count as a goal, again, end of story.

If you want to say the devs should fix the goalies from being able to dive into the goal, fine, maybe. But if the ball crosses the goal line that should be a goal. That's likee the whole point of the game

[random crypt]

it would feel more random

youre still not explaining why that would make the game play better, youre jsut explaining why its important

[shy crystal]

But you didn't score a goal, the gk saved it and then got behind the line

[remote heath]

That's literally scoring a goal

[shy crystal]

IRL yeah

[remote heath]

I feel like Im talking to 4 year olds here 🤣

[random crypt]

wild concept but get this: This video game has different rules that what you play down at the park with your mates

[shy crystal]

This game has overlap with rl soccer but it isn't, it has different rules

[covert crescent]

I understand it’s frustrating to not get a goal, but it’s also not hard to get around the goalie so I think it’s fine as is. It works fine for gameplay and there’s a good chance it’d just make playing goalie more frustrating

[random crypt]

are you ready to talk about this game or still talking about IRL soccer

[hard lark]

I don’t see people bouncing passed off glass walls in football stadiums irl

Should we remove that too?

[random crypt]

exactly scoring in this game is about getting PAST the keeper

not hoping he dives into his own goal

[shy crystal]

Off topic but I love that you can double tap

[random crypt]

cause nothing YOU do would intentionally cause that outcome

as the offender

[remote heath]

You guys are arguing points im not making. Im gonna try one last time lol. IN REMATCH, the objective of the game is to score more goals than the opponent. To score a goal, put the ball across the opponents goal line. I really don't see how you guys can't comprehend this it's really not that hard

[hard lark]

Same it makes for some creative plays

[random crypt]

The ball has to be in play for a goal to count

the ball is not in play when its in a GKs hands

thats the rules of rematch

[shy crystal]

Anecdotally I've not once felt cheated or frustrated when the gk saves my shot and then went behind the line

[hard lark]

Wrong, in game you have to put the ball (not attached to the goalkeeper) across the line

[random crypt]

you can keep arguing that a goal is when the ball crosses the line but that doesnt make it fact in this game

[remote heath]

So what is a goal in this game then

[random crypt]

everyone ive played with had that reaction once, then immediately moved on and accepted it as a rule of the game

[remote heath]

If not putting the ball across the goal line

[random crypt]

getting the ball past the line without the GK saving it

2 conditions

well 3, has to be in play time technically

[remote heath]

The ball going past the goal line means the goalie didn't save it how do you not see this?

This is very simple

[shy crystal]

When the keeper doesn't have it in their hands. If it bounces of the fist of the keeper and it goes in it's still a goal

[random crypt]

obviously not otherwise we wouldnt be having this conversation mate

[hard lark]

Idk if you noticed but when the goalkeeper doesn’t have the ball in his hand the goal has a force field kind of thing and when he has it in his hands it disappears meaning there will be no goal if the ball crosses the line

It’s literally meant to be this way

[random crypt]

youre trying to argue that the ball past the line IS a goal no matter what, thats true for REAL SOCCER not rematch

idk why you cant see it any other way

[bright thorn]

That is why I made this post. In my opinion if the goalkeeper catches the ball and then lands inside the net i think this should count as a goal. It would make goalkeeping a bit harder which counteracts the posts i've seen complaining about gk beeing too easy.

[shy crystal]

Do we know that? I haven't seen it explicitally stated in the game. They might have made it this way because the animation can throw you in. Maybe they'll change it if that gets fixed but I don't know

[hard lark]

Maybe it’s a design decision they made but if you pay attention in game when they don’t have the ball in their hands the goal has a holographic wall and when they have it in their hands it reactivates

[remote heath]

So it's either a bug that needs fixing or a really shitty mechanic that needs fixing. Doesnt change my stance at all

[shy crystal]

Oh I've never noticed but now that you say it. Then I also think it indeed is part of the game rules

[hard lark]

I feel like there’s better ways to balance goalkeeping than that

Maybe not always having the dive be a catch

[shy crystal]

It's not always a catch, I've punched balls out with a dive

[hard lark]

I know it isn’t always but like 90% of the time it is

[shy crystal]

ye true

[random crypt]

I am fairly confident it's intentional. The goal forcefield thing just makes it clearer that the ball is not "active" at that time. Ultimately I think its just not a good puishment for a GK, while it may be true a better GK should make a save that doesnt put them in the goal, but due to the nature of the dive animations locking you in, you dont feel like your skill is what determins 100% of that save direction. Just saving it or not should be the only factor that matters as a GK. Not saving it in the "right way" doesnt feel good when its so automatic.
sorry you dont like this mechanic, or that you cant understand the reason it exists, hope you can get something from my explanation 👍

[bright thorn]

I think it's a perfectly reasonable punishment for a gk. The game locking you in the animation makes sense since you're literally throwing yourself through the air. Canceling that doesn't really make any sense to me.

I agree that saving it or not should be the only factor. But grabbing the ball while throwing yourself in the net is not a save imo.

[random crypt]

What im saying is it doesnt feel like YOU are throwing yourself into the net, it feels like the game is deciding that for you many times

so grabbing the ball should be the deciding factor

not how you grab it

[bright thorn]

Imo it feels like YOU are throwing yourself into the net. To me it feels like it's based on how you position your camera + left joystick direction

[remote heath]

I feel like people are acting like they can save it in a good direction and just end up thrown in the goal. I'm not convinced this is the case. Though I've only played a bit it seems the only time you end up in the goal is if you dove in that direction. For a skill based game like this one, that should be a goal. It should be on the goalie to not end up behind the goal line. Now IF you can dive in a good direction and still end up in the goal, that is either a bug or a shitty mechanic which needs fixing as I said

[random crypt]

thats how it should work yeah but there are times that the auto prediction combined with your input results in a direction you didnt expect

[bright thorn]

When I've done this to myself I always feel like it's ME that has done it and not the game deciding for me. I only have 4.2 hours in this game though so might be a lack of experience.

[random crypt]

youve never gone for a dive and not gone the way you were expecting?

[bright thorn]

Of course I have but when I think back to it afterwards I always attribute it to a misinput

[remote heath]

I have, thinking I would dive slightly to the side and up, and the gk jumps straight up. If you are arguing the goalie mechanics need fixing you will not find any opposition from mme

[bright thorn]

I've changed my mind a bit on this. The mechanics imo are very clunky but it still mostly feels like me playing. I still think it should count as a goal tho

[radiant acorn]

90% of the time its completely out of the players control so its a strong hell no to that one

[remote heath]

Definitely not 90% and imagine your argument being "strong hell no to them fixing a broken mechanic and keeping the core objective consistent"

[hard lark]

I understand the want to have it be like football irl, however I don’t think they’re going for a game that is like football irl. I don’t think the mechanic is broken. Just a design choice.

[radiant acorn]

Considering everytime I've seen the keeper in the net with the ball its because they have rolled in with the ball and no way to stop them from doing it id defo says it a strong hell no. Maybe stop it so the goalie can't cross the line at all and then there is no issue

[hard lark]

Also if you kick the ball from inside the net it will be a goal as soon as you let it go.

Like I said not a broken mechanic but rather a design choice

[remote heath]

If you're seeing it happen to other goalies you have no way of knowing where they pointed their left stick so you have no idea of knowing whether or not it's a skill issue. And the second part is literally arguing the same point I made I don't think you even know what you're trying to argue at this point

[remote heath]

If it is a choice it is an absolutely abysmal one and I would still consider it broken

[radiant acorn]

No one is going to do it intentionally unless your a griefer or just a twat

[hard lark]

If it’s and intentional choice how can you consider it broken if it is working as intended.

[remote heath]

Have you ever heard of the treaty of versailles

[valid obsidian]

yeah what a bullshit dude, I scored and the goal didnt count as a goal. Even my little boy of 4 knows if its over the line it counts as a goal lmao

you can argue with me but its just a stupid desing