I dont think "get the ball -> look for pass" is the funnest game loop. Yes you could counter tackles before easily but thats why tackling is not the only defensive option, thers a whole stance + tackle that does a foot slide thing that countered all dribbling if you just WATCHED not even reacted, WATCHED the ball and defend.
#The game is completely different now. (And fun)
fast horizon
The field right now looks like players getting the ball, fumbling around because control is gone, then getting tackled by 3 dudes or passing which is weaker when you remove the ability to control and move the ball on first touch cuz youll just lose it the moment you get it. You essencially are arguing for dumb down football. Get ball-> shoot or pass->repeat? thats what you want?
proud mica
brittle cypress
isnt that just my post rephrased? <:figo_bello:871820857444560956>
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is it bad?
proud mica
I mean, it's okay to have different points of view. I've said more than once that what we need right now is balance.
proud mica
is it bad?
nah, is nice actually
hexed sundial
its actually so disgusting to open a beta make the game skill oriented then once people pre order change the whole game loop its literally so horrible
proud mica
its actually so disgusting to open a beta make the game skill oriented then once...
but on this post he's saying the opposite thing
he's saying gameplay is good like this
hexed sundial
but on this post he's saying the opposite thing
my fault this guy is a chud
proud mica
That’s why I found it fun to see my post used this way it’s like Yin and Yang.
But I want to make it clear that I’ve said multiple times that all that’s really needed is a simple 50/50 balance between the two worlds.
proud mica
The field right now looks like players getting the ball, fumbling around because...
fire
ancient chasm
I dont care at all about what balance changes they have made right now, all i care about is can they make the game and servers smooth?
viral briar
all offensive mechanics should be able to get you a solo goal and all defensive mechanics should be able to intercept and get the ball back, that way only skill determines who wins the game.
and right now, even if you are a skilled dribbler, you are supposed to pass the ball even if the one against you is a mediocre defender. and that makes the dribbling kinda useless
fast horizon
I dont care at all about what balance changes they have made right now, all i ca...
I can see this big time, make it smooth and more opinions wouldnt be so charged. The discussion can go deeper if we see it played out smoothly, but i think the majority opinion will still show to be true
oak vault
all offensive mechanics should be able to get you a solo goal and all defensive ...
I don't have that issue i can still pretty easily fake out and dribble around a bad-decent enemy without much trouble
fast horizon
I don't have that issue i can still pretty easily fake out and dribble around a ...
They gotta be REALLY REALLY bad, because it was a clear difference for me and i have clips to prove it. You just had the space to do more before
green zephyr
They gotta be REALLY REALLY bad, because it was a clear difference for me and i ...
Yeah do you got those clips? I can't really understand the difference you mean
fast horizon
Yeah do you got those clips? I can't really understand the difference you mean
im sure i got it in there somewhere no problem, but i mean the difference between a good defender and a bad one is how often and when your using high commitment moves like slide tackling or chasing the ball and not thinking what i want to do with it. Last beta i could punish you if you made a mistake in a harsh flashy way, this beta you cant just analyze what your defender wants to do and pick the right move its more like chance and if the situation allows for you to use certain moves. The interaction between an attacker with the ball and a defender is so much more dull, boring, and random now vs before
green zephyr
Yeah im just not seeing it, as you say bad players miss bad slide tackles and good players keep close and wait for an opportunity. I dont really understand how you could "analyze what your defender wants to do" in the previous beta and now you cant?
fast horizon
If you read a bad opponent and try to dribble they can take it from you
simple, best example is next time you play watch what ppl do with the ball, theres no controlling or getting past anyone, everyones forced to pass
you can fumble around with the controller and steal the ball, just watch next time you play how hard they are actually trying to take the ball. I actually loved my defense game but it really is just so easy now
fast horizon
Ive been playing a bit since having all these talks and honestly this version has made me a really good shooter look at these placements
fast horizon
This beta i find myself having to make use of whatever situation i find myself in, its been a different experience having to wait and assess how to get to the shot from wherever i find myself which is why all those clips are amzing placement of the ball in the goal. I've had to rely on that alot to win, partially also because last beta was my first and i was learning to shoot, but mainly because its the only way to play rn. Before i could be more creative and create different situations that were more giving based on how i move.
wheat marsh
simple, best example is next time you play watch what ppl do with the ball, ther...
There is no other avenues for player expression, simple as that.
fast horizon
yea ive been thinking alot about what were talking about and i think that expression i loved before is coming from good looking goals right now but i miss the game in the middle its dull
i guess i can still have fun finding the couple of crazy moments i can break someone and shoot like this then its whatver but i really do miss it
green zephyr
those werent the clips you're talking about then?
I still dont really understand your original point I feel like those clips would clarify
cause that first clip was a goalie mistake, easy rebound to catch there he let you get a free shot, but nice placement regardless. That won't work against decent goalies unless you get a ton of chances.
and that 2nd one.. do I need to say anything? goalie was asleep haha
could talk about that scuffle before the shot though. You start with a good intercept opportunity but you push it straight towards another offender, you then get a pretty equal chance to take the ball, you take a defensive position to block, but he flicks and you over commit with a slide tackle. Could you explain how you think that would play out in the previous beta?
white trench
those werent the clips you're talking about then?
Bro ur talking to gold players at max lmaooo u gotta let them think what they think hahahah
green zephyr
well game isnt even out yet im just curious how they think that
brittle cypress
well game isnt even out yet im just curious how they think that
hey, do you still playing 4v4?
white trench
I been seeeing u making nth but the best points for the last 24 hours…. At this point u gotta get a 5v5 going on and post it so ppl can actually see what true skills looks in this game….
The only two things they did was add more stamina = more speed and EVERY action takes a small bit of stamina. The 1st 3 moves are still at top speed anyways if u can’t cross someone up in the 1st 3moves u should be passing it anyways for crying out loud
A lot of these players have never played sports b4 or reached top rank in games b4 and it’s so easy to tell lol
If anyone thinks they know the meta but saying you can’t cross anymore is a bot and most like gold at best
@green zephyr
green zephyr
haha yeah none of my mates have been free ;-;
ive been really enjoying solo queuing all the modes though
3v3 can be crazy fun if you get trust
at least im very happy that im not so incredibly bitter about a free beta 😄
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjI-3Yg7qq4 if I can still do this what do I have to complain about?
brittle cypress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjI-3Yg7qq4 if I can still do this what do I hav...
Still 4v4
green zephyr
so i play that, cause again I feel like 5v5s without at least 4 in a pre-made is just not going to be fun
and it was okay when I tried solo some games, just not my preference
if I got that clip in a 5v5 what would you say?
just curious
green zephyr
😂
brittle cypress
if I got that clip in a 5v5 what would you say?
but you don't, so
brittle cypress
I've seen this things
green zephyr
even though youre certain its not
brittle cypress
but it's more like exception than rule
green zephyr
so its still happening, just not as much as you'd like?
so, either when a defender makes a bad mistake, or an offender makes a really good play with good timing, they're able to get past multiple defenders
Before offenders got past defenders as a "rule", and defenders had to be the exceptional one. Is that sort of how you feel?
boreal tapir
@fast horizon in your clips I don't see any benefit of the new mechanics, I just see opponents with no hands and eyes
You are just running in the open field and take a shot, with a goalie that is literally having a nap
green zephyr
😆
boreal tapir
Please, when talking about old vs new mechanics, since we have tons of gameplay of the old ones do provide REAL useful gameplay footage that prove your points
fast horizon
Bro ur talking to gold players at max lmaooo u gotta let them think what they th...
Hey thanks for the good faith bro feels real good
fast horizon
Please, when talking about old vs new mechanics, since we have tons of gameplay ...
i wasnt proving a point with the new clips i was just showing what my playstyle has to be now. Like my opinion on how i take on the game
fast horizon
You are just running in the open field and take a shot, with a goalie that is li...
every goalie in the videos move, if theyre bad thats on them
fast horizon
<@239919069468295178> in your clips I don't see any benefit of the new mechanics...
i wasnt trying to show "new" mechanics i dont even know what they could be as all changes seem to be reductions and nerfs.
fast horizon
Please, when talking about old vs new mechanics, since we have tons of gameplay ...
whats REAL footage btw? like that DOLO clown said its only valid if its masters?
fast horizon
Bro ur talking to gold players at max lmaooo u gotta let them think what they th...
bro what this guy is plat
im plat
solo
fast horizon
cause that first clip was a goalie mistake, easy rebound to catch there he let y...
that wont work against master goalies? cuz whos turning around to check where the balls gonna bounce to and if your saying he can walk up to the bounce and take it, thats risky but sure i guess
fast horizon
and that 2nd one.. do I need to say anything? goalie was asleep haha
how? you want him to push up to grab the ball? he also goes for the save just before i shoot but was too far, like "asleep?" ok sensei
astral osprey
I think the Game doesnt Need Balance changes from tackles or goalkeeping. The Game needs stable Servers with no desyncs and maybe some better hitboxes for the Ball too the Players
fast horizon
could talk about that scuffle before the shot though. You start with a good inte...
actually a decent question, i missed the opportunity to block i saw that, but the push off in old beta would have worked. In this beta when i pushed off it didnt push as far and it slowed right in front of enemy, but in old beta I would have wanted to push off closer to the wall and enter a fight between me and him for possesion, especially cuz i had the guy i just took it from and the rest of his team at my back. now its just deal with getting tackled and move forward
green zephyr
yes lmao if you think these keepers don't have much else to do here you have a lot to learn!
catching rebounds is going to be standard play
fast horizon
yes lmao if you think these keepers don't have much else to do here you have a l...
never said that you just framed it as they were doing nothing, thats absurd
they dealt with it how the game is telling them to deal with it and if it works or doesnt isnt up to me
my opinion doesnt all of a sudden become valid when i face a good goalie
green zephyr
I never said it was up to you im just saying it kind of makes the shot quality irrelevant
cause there could be a fish in goal and its a similar outcome
😆
dont have to take it personally btw
your opinion on what is required to get past a goalie is kinda irrelevant if youre using examples of terrible goalies
yeh I think so
fast horizon
bro if you had an amazing goalie, shot placement and creativity with higher shots on goal is the straight forward answer
fast horizon
oh ok play against a goalie thats perfect then i can have an opinion
if you pass to someone that cant shoot whats the point
if you bounce off the wall and someone doesnt know how to place the shot whats the point
green zephyr
not really, just dont judge your own examples when they dont show what youre talking about
thats all
green zephyr
if you bounce off the wall and someone doesnt know how to place the shot whats t...
the point is you bait out the goalie
good shot placement is still important, but my point is if you're just taking a straight shot at goal with nothing else, a decent goalie should save that mostly every time
fast horizon
those last couple of clips arent me trying to prove a point
green zephyr
😄
fast horizon
it was just how im playing now
green zephyr
"which is why all those clips are amzing placement of the ball in the goal." "but mainly because its the only way to play rn"
youre not trying to prove a point here?
fast horizon
i said im my shot got better because im forced to play pass or shoot, with harder dribbling
and i already explianed it
fast horizon
actually a decent question, i missed the opportunity to block i saw that, but th...
her
thats the only time imma make a point cuz your critisizing my gameplay like youre grandmaster
green zephyr
how so?
fast horizon
i gotta defend myself
green zephyr
"liek a grandmaster"
fast horizon
difficulty can make someone say they cant do it and thats valid sometimes. If i believed you "cant" dribble i wouldnt be using it but i still am, cuz i know im cold. but dont get it twisted its worlds harder, like objectively
green zephyr
Yup but you have to ask yourself "was it too easy before?"
I had 1 player on the other team tonight that was insane at dribbling, could keep it away from pretty much anyone and then if he got intercepted, would instantly be there for a recovery. It was so genuinely impressive. That proved to me that a skilled player can absolutely get past even decent defense, it just means it takes a bit more practice and precision, I dont think thats a bad thing
fast horizon
Yup but you have to ask yourself "was it too easy before?"
I had 1 player on th...
clip it next time
