The game is completely different now. (And boring)

[lime sigil]

Can't test that

[sleek glacier]

if you can't test it then stop saying you did it then.

[tired compass]

i genuinly think it mightve just been desync

[lime sigil]

How should I test that blud Hahahah get old beta and two players?

[tired compass]

and this time its the intended effect which is kinda disappointing ngl

[sleek glacier]

but if this is the main problem, how can you say you've been testing it for 2 days?

[tired compass]

im sure you can find a clip of the old beta online

just gotta do some research

[tired compass]

bro's "testing" is just playing the game and making conclusions

[lime sigil]

Idk where I have that two days thing

[versed hornet]

@tired compass@sleek glacier@lime sigil ground dribbling also changed

is the part that most was changed

https://youtu.be/fZu12SKhoKw?si=HZ50WbZ3OyIYVtXK&t=465

[lime sigil]

I compared animations side by side with stopwatch

[versed hornet]

click the video

[lime sigil]

It's the same

[tired compass]

did you account for human error?

[versed hornet]

the ball dribbling isnt the same

[sleek glacier]

i mean, you've been saying for two days that you've tried both and that it's the same. but if you can't actually verify the problem, why try to disprove everyone? we're not crazy.

[versed hornet]

its slower

as hell

[sleek glacier]

watching

[tired compass]

im stuck on perma ads

[brittle roost]

honestly dribbling and pace doesn't even look the same when trying to emulate a clip in freeplay or something now

[tired compass]

🤝

[versed hornet]

7:53 he shows how the dribbling cancel is

and it seens a lot of faster

[lime sigil]

I can do that same thing tbh

[versed hornet]

than now

[lime sigil]

He just does lt a twice into normal tap

[tired compass]

just built different

[versed hornet]

ik

but it looks way slower

you cant see the animation

[lime sigil]

Maybe bro is just cracked

[versed hornet]

its not

thats the other beta

the animation and affects are also different now

i compared

[spiral basin]

Did this become the new general?

[lime sigil]

Yea

[sleek glacier]

yea welcome bro

hru

[versed hornet]

general has a lot of time cap

[spiral basin]

Doing good doing good, waiting in the queues right now, how are yall doing xD

[versed hornet]

also waiting queue

[tired compass]

whatever the devs probably arent gonna read through all of this so there's no point in actually continuing this discussion other than just discussing stuff

[versed hornet]

but im trying to realise why didnt like this beta

[spiral basin]

Most likely yea xD

[lime sigil]

Probably netcode and tackles are stronger tbh

[sleek glacier]

tackles in my opinion are the same, dribbling that countered them just got butchered

[tired compass]

netcode did get better, tackles are stronger but missing one is a lot more punishing now which they did warn us about. Just didnt expect how punishing they are

[versed hornet]

tackles were broken before and now still the same

[lime sigil]

Imo they're stronger now

But no idea

[spiral basin]

Tackles are really good yea

Also if you are stuck in a corner dont even try to keep the ball

The tackle merchants will be coming for your ass

[sleek glacier]

because you can't counter them with dribbling like before.

[tired compass]

Pass the ball

[sleek glacier]

rainbow flick solved the problem

[versed hornet]

even pass the ball isnt an option

[spiral basin]

Lowkey the more i play ranked the less i use rainbow flick

[versed hornet]

because the pass is blocked

i tried to

[spiral basin]

ngl that move is ass

[hollow skiff]

Okay but the dribble stance changes are improvements

[sleek glacier]

yeah i know.. I also wrote that at the moment it seems like the same thing on loop. very boring.

[versed hornet]

no

[tired compass]

unless you get hard locked against a wall when they're just spamming tackle then its gg

[versed hornet]

it looks slower

for no reason

idk if its really slower

but looks like it is

[sleek glacier]

you see???? they made it useless.

[tired compass]

yeah the higher skill opponents you get the more useless it becomes

[sleek glacier]

and now you tell me that nothing has changed? how come? before wasn't it a super op thing that everyone complained about?

[spiral basin]

Althought the moves becomes very good when you have 10 seconds left and you are up 2-0 😄

people be charging into u xD

[brittle hemlock]

Before so many times people asked to switch to be the goalie and now no one wants to be the goalie because there is no action

[versed hornet]

be the goalie looks more funny now

[brittle hemlock]

Goalie is better now but people don't threaten you nearly enough

[lime sigil]

Bro how do u edit videos

[versed hornet]

btw if they didnt changed too many thing

why dont they keep the same settings

if its a placebo

let me have the older version

[sleek glacier]

I don't think it's a placebo, even those who don't write think so. I think it's the most upvoted post on the discord

[spiral basin]

The next time they will show the beta results you will see someone who played for over 50 hours but only 30 matches played lmao

[sleek glacier]

fr

[spiral basin]

They gotta add a stat for most time spend in queue 🥀

[hollow skiff]

It looks slower but you don’t know is hilarious

Also it seems to have a better distance

And it doesn’t have a bad animation anymore

The dribble stance is a lot better now imo

[versed hornet]

same

[brittle hemlock]

Is anyone here in US East? It keeps putting me in US central literally every game

[versed hornet]

bro

im from sa

and im playing with teammates from ARGENTINA

IM FROM BRAZIL

THE DISTANCE BETWEEN ME AND ARGENTINA IS LARGER THAN USA

[lime sigil]

still tryna figure out split screen video editing 😂

[hollow adder]

true tho, now it also feels more „realistic“ which isn’t why I’m playing the game, it’s so hard to play because everything is getting countered

[sleek glacier]

first thing in the first video isnt there anymore = is not the same

both videos are from the prev beta

(not talking about the head tap spamming)

[hollow skiff]

Improving his drivbling while half of the time he gets past people is because of latency and lag

And then he is just spamming rainbow flick dawg

[lime sigil]

what exactly? the rainbow flick is still in the game

[sleek glacier]

cause the game just have that, and they got rid of that instead of adding shit

[sleek glacier]

you cant do a double rainbow flick that fast

now

[hollow skiff]

Wdym tjag fast

Do you mean the speed the whole thing happens

Or the intial speed

Or how fast the input is actually performed

[sleek glacier]

yeah and even input delays

the speed of the thing in general

[hollow skiff]

So all 3?

[sleek glacier]

ye

[hollow skiff]

I don’t agree

I think it’s honesty just the delay you feel

Input wise

[sleek glacier]

prove me wrong then

[hollow skiff]

And if they said they didn’t change much movement wise

[sleek glacier]

do a video

[hollow skiff]

It was probably a unintended effect of some other change they made

Why don’t you

To prove your right

???

Like debating how fast or slow something feels

Is kinda silly

[sleek glacier]

im on my bed

chillin

and i think this whole feedback prove my point

its not only me (this is what I mean)

[lime sigil]

tbh not sure how rainbow flick multiple times exactly works - sometimes the distance is shorter, then u get two flicks quickly, sometimes the distance is longer

[spiral basin]

just dont rainbow flick

[lime sigil]

head taps are gone completely and it was just easier to do before

but there are still instances where your character magnets to the second flick

[sleek glacier]

not talking about head taps, glad they are gone.

even if it would have been enough to make so that they couldn't be spammed

[clever sinew]

BRO THIS IS NUTS its even faster than i remember

Miss it already

[sleek glacier]

[sleek glacier]

@versed hornet

[brittle hemlock]

I would be fine if they doubled the speed of everything

[clever sinew]

I only want the technical work and stamina to be reverted.
The head taps as dope as they were can stay gone ( unless they wanted to change those to some sort of rythem base thing )

[versed hornet]

the control dribbling looks faster than what we get now

[lime sigil]

youre all capping so hard

[versed hornet]

specially the roullete

[versed hornet]

the second dribbling activation happens less than a halfsec

open training zone

and compare

[fiery jetty]

dribbling feels fine even if its slower i have no problem going around people

[versed hornet]

me also

i thought it was hotfixes

but its the poorly made servers

[fiery jetty]

yeah that is a problem for sure

sure it would fix with time tho

[hollow skiff]

Doubling the drivbling speed is absurd

[magic swift]

you can play 1000 hours and never notice the difference if you already made up your mind that the game can do no wrong. To say if feels almost exactly the same is cope at its finest. You dont have to be a hater to objectivly realize something

[lime sigil]

https://youtu.be/QmFMsREPTpE

[magic swift]

in this version i could steal with a blindfold on the first flick

last beta you could get away with a couple before defenders had to start thinking

[lime sigil]

yea, they probably changed something about invulnerability frames

but thats not speed

[magic swift]

people are saying its slower?

[lime sigil]

yea

[magic swift]

i think it could be a combination of all the other changes it could genuinely feel slower, I think the better argument is just how low value it is now

[lime sigil]

second flick especially

but its just different timing

and not for free

i still think rainbow flick is a bit too op

[magic swift]

it was never free

[magic swift]

i'll give you the easy counter ready....

[magic swift]

distance

[lime sigil]

you can easily set yourself up for easy goals

you can just magnet to do a second flick as seen above

[magic swift]

and now even that is too good of a counter now cuz if your right in front of me, i can defense stance tackle back to slide and its done

ball gone

rainbow flick is wayyyy weaker now

i never see ppl use it and i use it VERY situationaly now

[lime sigil]

ok i make second video

wait

[hollow skiff]

I think the hall just travels further after the first flick

[magic swift]

https://medal.tv/games/rematch/clips/k7ST1I8KbnxB6tmmE?invite=cr-MSxWWFMsMjczMTQwNjc3

[hollow skiff]

So you csnr just infinitely catch your own flick

[magic swift]

yes but flick was always weak

wtf are yall on about

look at the first time i try to flick

the guy has 3 feet on me and caught it

like its not hard

[hollow skiff]

Bro what

[magic swift]

how bad are you

[hollow skiff]

That’s a skill issue

Yoh shoukdnt bae flicked that

Whh woild you ever flick in thg situation

You have so much space between y’all

[magic swift]

to counter tackles

[sleek glacier]

Yes? dont call the ball, start it alone

[magic swift]

whats next?

[daring fern]

i never said the game can do no wrong lmao

[hollow skiff]

He was no Ehere bear you vrk

Near you

[magic swift]

hes right in front of me?

what

[lime sigil]

did you watch this? #1377356836264607824 message
its current patch

[hollow skiff]

There was no threat of a tackle or loss of possession

[magic swift]

no where near?

[hollow skiff]

No he’s not

[magic swift]

hes my opponent

hes squaring up

[hollow skiff]

Liketarlly like

You have so much space

[magic swift]

hes so close he took defensive stance

we had a 1v1

[daring fern]

but you sound like a toxic child so not going to argue with you champ

[magic swift]

what?

[hollow skiff]

This is so funny

Like you handed him the ball

And are complaining that it’s weak

Yoh just misplayed

[near spire]

i have no idea how u can spam it like that. doesn't work like that for me.

[magic swift]

Lewi if he goes for a tackle he cant get me?

hes taht far?

[hollow skiff]

Ok but he’s not springing

[lime sigil]

ure just grasping at straws now - its the same

[hollow skiff]

You can’t immediately tackle form defense stance

[magic swift]

i was refering to what babylano was saying

[hollow skiff]

And the tackle isn’t instant

He has to travel and you woild see it

You literally just panicky flicked

[lime sigil]

press and hold the buttons halfway through

timing thing

[hollow skiff]

The flick is reactive

You don’t just use it randomly

[lime sigil]

your character just magnets to ball

[hollow skiff]

Or else you just do thag and lose the. Ball

And look stupid

It happens all the time

[magic swift]

i have no idea what your on about rn

i got lost

[hollow skiff]

Ppl just immediate flick when there’s no threat

[magic swift]

its a read bro

[sleek glacier]

i tried with and without. Now.

[magic swift]

youve never played a game where you make a bad read

i made a bad read all i was arguing was how easy it was for him ot recieve and he wasnt that far

[hollow skiff]

He was petty far

[sleek glacier]

you made me turn on my pc

[hollow skiff]

Also wdym

[magic swift]

and in this version even if he was closer he could still take

[hollow skiff]

It’s not supposed to be hard to receive

[magic swift]

no he wasnt cuz if he was that far hed be trying ot get to me not defend against me

[hollow skiff]

Uhh

Ever heard of defending

Or being patient

[magic swift]

what

[hollow skiff]

Or letting them make the first move

[magic swift]

gg

yea im done

[hollow skiff]

It’s quite effective

[magic swift]

good talk bud

[hollow skiff]

Like how it worked on you

In that clip

[magic swift]

good talk

[hollow skiff]

Not really a tlak

Good cope tho

[magic swift]

whatever it was it was cool

[hollow skiff]

Well luckily

It’s the same

So I agree

[sleek glacier]

so i tried, doing a straight line is kinda ok but looks harder. but now you cant make turns or shit like that @lime sigil

[magic swift]

scroll up i got clips you wish you could hit. You dont see the game the same bud

[hollow skiff]

LMAO

[daring fern]

it seems like people just want to be able to solo dribble and spam rainbow flick. if you pass the ball often and play as a team i don't think it's very noticeable

[magic swift]

you cant creat the same opportunities yourself and games that force you to lean on yourteamates have HORRIBLE ranked experiences

[magic swift]

League ranked, any hero shooter with roles, etc

[daring fern]

hate to break it to you big dog but you have to rely on your teammates in a TEAM game. no one wants to watch you rainbow flick into a defender that's 5 feet away

all im gonna say on that

[magic swift]

yea duh but its a better game when everyone has the same capabilities, makes teamplay more fun and rewarding

[lime sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoFUFFQAVyY some of the stuff he did there is still possible, i assume other stuff is also still possible tbh, but also im tired

[magic swift]

losing because you had someone that didnt know how to pass mechanically or something is so dogshit

imagine being like i coulda scored 4 on this horrible team but because you want to dumb it down for ppl so everyone can press a button on their controller?

[versed hornet]

looks different

as i said

[lime sigil]

yea u dont get red flares on your feet is different 😄

[magic swift]

is the teamplay really any different, other than everyone touches the ball alittle more now?

[lime sigil]

but thats about it

tbh

[versed hornet]

it looks faster

[lime sigil]

i think its also the weird video crop

[versed hornet]

the older version looks like its so fast that its supass the animations

like it cancels the animation

[daring fern]

i mean nothing is really different from my perspective but i wasn't doing hella dribble moves before either

[versed hornet]

no smoothness

but looks more responsible

[daring fern]

just played a bunch more and it still feels about the same. so idk

[lime sigil]

to me it does not look slower

[versed hornet]

well im dribbling with SPACE BAR

so

[lime sigil]

keep in mind i practised this for 5 min lol 😄

[versed hornet]

idk if that s my mind

[lime sigil]

someone with good skills can do it probably much more fluent

[magic swift]

i think anyone that says rainbowflick is slower is absolutely crazy

[lime sigil]

its mainly rainbow flick and dribbling is slower the thread - i dont agree with both

for me both looks and feels the same

and i dont even have problems dribbling in this game

[tiny isle]

Yeah idk

[lime sigil]

i have only problem with people spam tackling

[tiny isle]

I hevent felt any new chabged

[magic swift]

i actually can completely see someone who wasnt in that playstyle not feel a difference, but as someone who was breaking 4 ppl in ranked trust me they nerfed us.

[magic swift]

im not a toxic child i can talk and disagree like an adult, i just think the outlandish takes should be called out. "No difference" is wild.

[lime sigil]

what exactly is different then eman

only rainbow flick invul?

[magic swift]

when i turned the game on 15 mins after the beta started i IMMEDIATLY felt the push off wasnt as far

right away i went into freeplay and i just wasnt moving

dribbling gives you no space push off is much much shorter

like you just have less control

if youre a touch and go player, you like to touch and pass you might not feel it as much but i find it hard to believe ppl arent feeling less control

its forcing a passing game because any mere thought of playing defense is enough to take the ball

you HAVE to pass

versus me breaking 3 ppl and the last guy trying to stop me but i know youre there and can get just as saucy so i pass it to you, thats more fufilling then watching the ball go around the field bro you cant tell me ppl arent just watching pinball

[lime sigil]

whats push off

just A ?

[magic swift]

ppl losing the ball as soon as they touch it just for the guy who stole it from to lose it himself, i dont think its game breaking change but its def very different

[magic swift]

yes

A and any direction

https://medal.tv/games/rematch/clips/k7ebXA65xSBMJGLuQ?invite=cr-MSxWcHosMjczMTQwNjc3

this is almost impossible in this current version

the push off gave me the distance i need just barely

and now you cant sprint and push off cuz both cost stamina and a guy with double boost will just catch you and do some basic foot shuffle defense to steal, not even full tackle

[lime sigil]

i think its just about the same... sprint + A is the same at least

[versed hornet]

looks like it lacks of animation

[lime sigil]

@magic swift actually sprint speed is also the same

[magic swift]

its not the same i noticed it right away i had to ask the ppl i was playing with if i was crazy everyone agreed

[lime sigil]

takes about 11,6s to sprint from one goal to the other goal in practice mode. same for old version

[magic swift]

sprint speed is the same but that doesnt matter, whether you were sprinting with the ball or pushing off and sprinting was what mattered

[lime sigil]

with pushing off the ball

[magic swift]

you measured this?

[lime sigil]

yes

[magic swift]

push off sprinting in last beta and this one?

you measured it?

thats cool af

[lime sigil]

but not with supersprint activation

just normal sprint

[magic swift]

regardless thats not so much the point, its what your able to do when you push off because the ball went so far ahead of you

[lime sigil]

yeahhh idk, seems the same tbh 😄

but the game is weird to measure, i dont understand sometimes why pass is 3x length, sometimes only normal length etc

[magic swift]

https://medal.tv/games/rematch/clips/k7TmY6LzKccnZQgci?invite=cr-MSx4aEssMjczMTQwNjc3

watch the rainbowflick on this one compared to your practice video, look at when the ball becomes available to shoot versus on yours

[lime sigil]

ah actually didnt read this part, need to test this, maybe ure right

[magic swift]

you just made me cry bro

[lime sigil]

seems to be the same man

[magic swift]

thats actually a bad example

my fault

[lime sigil]

but sometimes rainbowflick goes double the range idk why

something i just dont understand about this game

[magic swift]

yea exactly

[lime sigil]

also depending on which foot or animation your character shoots, u get less powerful shots or more powerful shots with more spin etc

also weird.

like i can do the same shot, same pos, same angle, same spin, sometimes it goes over the goal, sometimes it goes in the goal

[hollow skiff]

I don’t know what planet eman is on

Besides the things that aren’t in the game anymore

Every clip you posted if the old beta you can still pull off

It’s just slightly harder

Which is a skill issue

Like sorry there’s actually room for skillful timing and spacing

[magic swift]

bro what wasnt skillful before?

who was complaining?

[hollow skiff]

It was easier

[magic swift]

yes

[hollow skiff]

That’s not a good thing

[magic swift]

why does that make for a worse game

if its easier

well thats the root of the argument i guess

[hollow skiff]

Imagine a fighting game with a party with 2 seconds of active time

Parry

Tell me that’s balanced

[magic swift]

watch for it and wait?

[hollow skiff]

No but every press resets that

Welcome to the old rainbow flick

Not actually

But as a example

[magic swift]

old rainbowflick has its problems i dont argue that

[hollow skiff]

There was so kych more room for error

[lime sigil]

but all the clips ive seen today are STILL doable.

only head taps are gone

[hollow skiff]

Yeah like

[lime sigil]

its the same

[hollow skiff]

It’s not impossible

You can still carry a game

[lime sigil]

like i posted a video where i do some of the moves in the clips above 😄

its just practice

imo

[hollow skiff]

Woah calm down

That’s a hot take

Your telling me I have to practice to get good

[magic swift]

it is cuz its a generalization of what the game is right now

its not as simple as its just harder now

thats such an ignorant way of looking at it

[hollow skiff]

It’s the same core mechanics

Same rock paper scissors format

[lime sigil]

i am still 100% convinced, they changed nothing else 😭

[magic swift]

no in this beta i can pick rock and you have scissors and i can lose

[lime sigil]

and they also kinda confirmed it earlier

[hollow skiff]

Play style changed

Also that was a problem in the first bet

[lime sigil]

#1377356836264607824 message

[hollow skiff]

Slide tackle is the most apparent broken mechanic

It needs to only be able to be done when you’ve at least Yk

Sprinted for a realistic distance

You shoukdnt be able to instantly tackle once you sprint from zero

[lime sigil]

exactly. slide is too active right now, and standing tackle needs more recovery on whiff

[versed hornet]

if you hit it

[hollow skiff]

Not really

[versed hornet]

you basicly get the ball

[hollow skiff]

It has no negative to kissing

Also not true

It’s based on distance

[versed hornet]

i mean

[hollow skiff]

The strength it hits away

[versed hornet]

u didnt understand what i mean

[hollow skiff]

Explain

I may have gotten lost

[versed hornet]

i didnt say that difficult to hit

i said that if you hit it

you basicly get the ball + space

[hollow skiff]

Oh yea no I got that

[versed hornet]

because the opponent get a stun

and you get a boost

[hollow skiff]

Yk the strength of the tackle is based on when you hit it in the tackle animation

The closer you are to the ball when you tackle the further it goes

[versed hornet]

btw when i tackle the ball goes to the opponent

[hollow skiff]

So yeah in that scenario you do get the space but you also now have to finish the animation a lot later in the free ball

[magic swift]

slide tackling toward the enemy goal and scoring is drugs

[lime sigil]

i fkn hate outplaying the tackle, but getting hit the last few active frames of it still.... so bad

[hollow skiff]

Well where they in defense stands

[versed hornet]

when the others teams tackle the ball they score

[hollow skiff]

Defense stance helps counter the slide tackler

If you aren’t in dribble stance during the slide

You get knocked over

[lime sigil]

whats defence stance

[magic swift]

defense you mean dribble?

[hollow skiff]

Left trigger

Yeah

Dribble stance

[magic swift]

LT when you dont have ball

[hollow skiff]

Or when you have it

It does the same

[versed hornet]

what does it change

looks the same but you looking forward

[hollow skiff]

It makes you less affected by tackles

Do we not

[lime sigil]

wdym

[magic swift]

actually the ball will bounce off of you sometimes

[hollow skiff]

Like try to undertabd everhtbing a move does

If you get slide tackled while your in dribble stance

[versed hornet]

ye i got it

[hollow skiff]

You don’t get stunned nearly as kych

[magic swift]

you can hold defense stance and be in the way of apass and youre a wall

[hollow skiff]

You can actually recover in time to get your hall back or at least contest it

[versed hornet]

btw are they going to add powers?

[hollow skiff]

No

Or at least not in like base game I hope

Maybe a game mode

[magic swift]

for some reason the game doesnt treat your body the same when your not in defense stance, you can also LT+A to get quick space and readjust. Lt+B is a small tackle shuffle thing, it gets everything

[versed hornet]

so what we gonna play

the same modes?

[hollow skiff]

Uh yeah

They said they are adding more modes later

But yeah

You okay rematch

In rematch

[scarlet iron]

Galaktik footbal style duuuhh

[lime sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cut-it-out-dude-gif-7309611

[hollow skiff]

Dude adding powers would be so bad for the base game

[magic swift]

lol maybe in a party gamemode?

adding powers would be so sick

as a party gamemode

[hollow skiff]

Truth

[lime sigil]

what kinda powers we talking

tiger shotto?

[versed hornet]

i mean

invisibility

[hollow skiff]

Huh

[versed hornet]

something else

[lime sigil]

bro hahahahahaha

[hollow skiff]

That’s your first idea

Crazy pull

[lime sigil]

invisibile woman main

[hollow skiff]

I gotta give it to you

[versed hornet]

i said the first thing

[hollow skiff]

I expected like

Siper speed

[versed hornet]

siper?

[lime sigil]

i thought like some kinda super shots or sth

topspin

tiger shot

better dribbling

[versed hornet]

idk why

[lime sigil]

etc

or crazy curved shots

[versed hornet]

but the way gk just is inconsistent

its annoying

[hollow skiff]

Wdym

I know there are bad gk bugs

But like si you mean mechanic wise

[versed hornet]

and i also cant score without faking

[lime sigil]

shoot above, or the sides, best fake

[versed hornet]

because the power shoots looks like its auto aimed

[hollow skiff]

That’s how it’s sposed to be

A 1v1 wjth the goalie should be like

[versed hornet]

they should make it harder

[hollow skiff]

Raid boss

Like final level

[lime sigil]

shoot above, lob above, lob again above with rb+a+x, then X the ball in, GG

[versed hornet]

gk should have to make a decision to jump high

[hollow skiff]

Plus the game is still fresh

[versed hornet]

or slow

the way game decides it to you is annoying

[hollow skiff]

Uhh THAGS how most games work

Let me you can’t just

Decide how fast an animation goes

[brittle hemlock]

Easiest way to score for me has been long range high shot with downward curve

[hollow skiff]

Adding way too much like

Variables for a player can also be a bad thing

[versed hornet]

when i try it the gk becomes neuer

[lime sigil]

do this round start, easiest goals ever

[versed hornet]

yeah but gk seens like its buffed

or shooting was nerfed

[lime sigil]

ball teleports + bounce in front of goalie, they never see it coming

[hollow skiff]

Its a team game

Your sposed to only or at least be easier yo score

[lime sigil]

im team

[hollow skiff]

By passing and bouncing off the wall

[versed hornet]

i saw the first instant transmission bycicle shooting of all rematch history

[hollow skiff]

That’s just soccer

[versed hornet]

not even that

thats called futsal

[hollow skiff]

Ok doesn’t matter what it’s called it’s the same principle

If there’s a big guy

Blacking a net

It’s easier to confuse him with two people or more

[versed hornet]

hes supposed to be a fronline man too

like rematch also

[hollow skiff]

He’s the last line of defense

[versed hornet]

i mean

usually gk plays too

have ball possession

[hollow skiff]

To an extent

Any goalie who overreaches

Gets scored on

[lime sigil]

when does beta end?

[hollow skiff]

If they lose Posesssikn for a second

31st

[lime sigil]

30th 14cest?

[hollow skiff]

6 am I think

It’s in the event

And in the announcement and probably pinned

[lime sigil]

aaaaaaaaaaa

31st

nice

so i can play tmrw, and then elden ring

🤓

[hollow skiff]

Valid

[sleek glacier]

it was good, right?

[magic swift]

#1377594300707115069 message

^I think this is a positive of this version, ive been really thinking about it

This beta i find myself having to make use of whatever situation i find myself in, its been a different experience having to wait and assess how to get to the shot from wherever i find myself which is why all those clips are amzing placement of the ball in the goal. I've had to rely on that alot to win, partially also because last beta was my first and i was learning to shoot, but mainly because its the only way to play rn. Before i could be more creative and create different situations that were more giving based on how i move.

[raw wraith]

bro the game was so much better lmao.. I've adapted but my god did they butcher what we had. If you did that in this beta you would be heaving heart failure half way through a sequence xD

"JUSS PASSSSSS PASS ME BALLLL" how about let him cook? Then pass.

That's why we loved the game before, it wasnt just standard football

[toxic sapphire]

the game is just get the ball and pass, pass, pass, pass, shoot

I get it

its real soccer

but in a real sense, this is a video game

its not suppose to be realistic

[raw wraith]

and its 5v5

[toxic sapphire]

they should atleast give a way

so people can genuinly solo

atleast 2 people

theres NO hyper armor moves

and standing tackles has NO cooldown

can we be for real?

and not just that

you have a way slower movement speed WITH the ball

and you can do a movement tech while being OFF ball

my team discovered the main way of winning

is just passing the ball to the enemy

and stealing from them

so they have stun

this is just not fun

anyways for those who agree with me

look at my post

https://discord.com/channels/1055140456184426607/1377885736828932096

[hardy tapir]

Anyone else having problems with mouse pass aiming?

It was much better when it used to be WASD to aim

I don't know the need for a change

[toxic sapphire]

believe your pressing W & D

while doing the volley

[hardy tapir]

No, it's because the mouse aiming for passes is extremely sensitive

[toxic sapphire]

it looks perfectly diagnoal

[toxic sapphire]

oh

because

at the point where you press the pass button

thats where it will always be

reguardless of where you look at next

[hardy tapir]

No, it is mouse aimed, not camera aimed

Imagine your mouse is a joystick

It works like that

Which sucks

[toxic sapphire]

ic

[raw wraith]

its just janky rn, needs to be tweaked and i think it'll work better.

but they should just add the old system bad for those who liked it if possible

[knotty wind]

That’s beautiful, that’s why everyone was shaking after the first beta.

BUT I do agree that those clips actually show the concern the others have about solo play, plenty of occasion to pass a totally free teammate.

I do think, while this is what I really want again in the game, they should nerf it a little bit in terms of stamina drain or maybe more dribbling you do in short sequence you get slower and slower… or any other kind of fatigue system, DO NOT RUIN THE FLUIDITY

[raw wraith]

ye but at the same time i totally understand why he didnt pass, he was having fun and not sweating about some tactical pass perfect play, he wanted to be creative and the result is we got to witness that. If the devs want pass perfect tactical piece plays, they advertised the game wrong imo. Many of us fell in love with that, not this. This is still fun, but not something I'm that hyped about tbh, I'm not a standard footy player, I'm not interested in the slightest at fifa or standard 11v11 games. I appreciate those of you who that does appeal to and I can see why, I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just not what a lot of us were interested in.

if the opp team cant punish him, let him cook, why not.

[knotty wind]

I totally understand players in the clips took the momentum and get the opportunity to score a fantastic goal, almost everyone would take the shot after such a play… totally understandable.

However in the average matchmaking experience you get people doing this all day solo ruining the game for everyone else who instead try to actually play the game.

I’m a huge fan of the previous beta and a huge detractor of the current one, but I see people crying on CR7 wannabes.

The game must be balanced, not stripped off of features, leading to a flat gameplay loop.

Done hundreds of games already in this beta and I’m really bored, just continue to play to stay with friends…

[raw wraith]

thats just because its going unpunished

just let people evolve and adapt

those cr7 wannabes will stay in low rank, the actual creative demons will adapt and use their tm8s when they need to

how do the demons become demons? they have to learn somewhere

[ornate harness]

Again, it’s not removed.. it’s just harder to master. Too bad I didn’t clip it but for example I’ve been able to surprise last 2 defenders by pushing the ball quickly in between them, then run to The goal to score. I saw also another guy manage to double flick the ball before scoring against 2 defenders, and both teams were diamond or master or something

[raw wraith]

crying about ballhog tm8s is the same in any team based game, let ppl express themselves and let a solid core gameplay allow ppl to adapt. Same happens in rl but normally it's ppl that just cant shut those plays down

[ornate harness]

They can but they are just not patient to learn.

[raw wraith]

man u guys dont understand at all lol

[ornate harness]

I’m believing they are just TikTok generation who watched those famous clips and want to instant do it themselves so now they frustrated because the game requires more skill. Then their argument is to say in competitive they game you should be able to do this.
Sure, but really you should be able to master it after 10 hours of play?

[raw wraith]

ITS NOT THE SAME FLOW!!!!!!

obviously you can still make a dribble play

thats just fucking football

im done lol

[ornate harness]

That’s what the game is about indeed

[raw wraith]

no shit

[ornate harness]

Thanks for making the obvious

[raw wraith]

whatever, i dont really care if im being honest, there is so many new games coming out. This was a gem in the rough but the devs (and apparently the core playerbase) has different visions for it, that's fine, enjoy. cba trying to point out obvious concepts ppl aren't grasping here.

[ornate harness]

That’s not what the guy I quoted said neither what 90% of people whining here are saying

[raw wraith]

last beta before release too btw, you think we are just gonna buy it anyway and wait and see if the devs make up their mind on what they want their game to be? 11v11 football squeezed into a smaller pitch. Reffs, corners, offside coming soon!

[ornate harness]

Then thanks for admitting they’re wrong

[raw wraith]

they are most definitely wrong, i havent seen many ppl with that stance though tbh

you can most definitely do outplays still 🤷

[ornate harness]

Like you say it’s a vision,it’s not better not worse then.

[raw wraith]

agreed

[ornate harness]

People keep shouting « game is worse » lmao

[raw wraith]

it is for us

but its subjective right

its worse for us because we had a different vision that was not aligned with the devs plans (potentially)

so now, of course we are upset. the game changed

[ornate harness]

Yes then I’m 100% ok with vision disagreement . Sadly a game cannot convince everyone

[raw wraith]

also true, but thats why a lot of us are upset.

thats all really

[ornate harness]

I’ve suggested too that they could make a 3v3 mode with very fast pace for example. Who knows what are those new game modes they will add in the future?

I’m looking forward any content they will add in this game

[raw wraith]

ye im happy for you honestly, the game is still fun. I still have games I am looking forward too 👍

[ornate harness]

Tbh I’d like to see 8v8 with fouls etc.. because I love it but the devs somehow said they don’t want to add fouls in an interview.

Idk if the game would work anyway because it is still very arcade and fast

[ornate harness]

Yes I understand. I didn’t expect them to change the game either I haven’t been involved in previous game feedback but I imagine told people gave them.

But that’s beta, everything is always subject to change

[grand frost]

Damn dudes, welcome to a live service game where patches are made, especially when the game is in development 😂

It does feel a bit slower, but not unmanageable. I still drible past a whole team if they are not good enough to defend. And good defenders can now defend me so I have to pass. Nothing wrong here imo. If you don't like this meta, wait and complain a lot, maybe your meta comes back

[frigid ether]

Completely agree @grand frost
But as You see, there are some kids here who wants guaranteed minimum 2 people dribbled ;D

God, I really hope this kind of players will really rage quit and refund 🙂

'Because it is not meant to be real football! It is meant to be fun!'

What next? Goal size increased 2x times because it is not fun that after I single button auto dribbled whole team, GK still catches the ball and ruins his fun? 😉

[ornate harness]

And even though it really was real football, real football **is ** fun 😄

[raw wraith]

its not about kids lmao ur so black and white its unreal, we just had a different game presented to us is it really that difficult for you to understand? On top of that this is the LAST beta before release. Not the time to make drastic changes.

grass: ye i dont think any of us disagree with that, its subjective though.

this thread is us discussing what we dislike, with a sprinkle of people telling us how we are wrong and that we should change, stfu lmao. I'm glad u enjoy the changes 👍

that was at vaeth, grass not you, you've been pretty understandable.

[ornate harness]

Personally I'm just waiting for any official announcement regarding this or any beta feedback. Right now I guess they are 100% focused on matchmaking (because it will be number 1 priority for the game to work), and they're taking advantage of 150k CCU to monitor and fix an much as they can because they won't have lot of opportunities like that.

[raw wraith]

we won't rage quit, we never started lmao. But sure, you wont have to deal with getting your entire team absolutely dusted by one mechy player. Enjoy your passing plays.

[ornate harness]

Then of course they will address bug fixes, balancing etc

[raw wraith]

same shit happens in rl and it's a joy to watch as a tactical player who have them as a tm8 tbh.

[ornate harness]

and eventually fine tuning the game pace too if they want

[raw wraith]

you know what happens when a ssl joins a diamond lobby? The entire pitch gets air dribble dunked (and in ssl they would get shut down quick, unless they are nuts in which case they would dust one or two maybe)

actually ngl the ball would probably just roll in from a ground shot in diamond but thats beside the point 😂

[barren lava]

WOO WE GOT ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT UNRELATED TO THE GAME BEING SHIT WOOO how many in a row is that now like 8?

i think we should start keeping count

[raw wraith]

just have to let them figure it out kryz, we have made our opinions loud and clear at this point brother. Now it's time to let them think

[ornate harness]

Do you realize they have a time limited beta with 150k ccu with network and matchmaking issues? Don't you think it's normal that it is their priority right now ? You prefer them to fix matchmaking issues or game balance/pace once game is released ?

[lime sigil]

wildcarrot still yapping despite being proven that its completely the same game by devs and by videos i made

ggs

complete brainrot

[raw wraith]

I am still interested, just way less invested than before. I'll be keeping an eye on the game for awhile though. I need to see what direction they want to go

[barren lava]

fair point tbh : P

[silver bolt]

It's obviously not

[ornate harness]

Like I said they will take bug fixes and feedback into account of course later but now just now

[lime sigil]

yea ure right, its completely different

devs are just joking

[barren lava]

this is mega cope also “almost any” doesnt mean they did none

[lime sigil]

i made tests already, its the same

[barren lava]

explain rainbow flick feeling horrible, also what did u do for ur tests

[silver bolt]

It's so obvious shit like rainbow is weaker

U can tell just by looking at the small tourneys that have been played between this test and last usage has fallen off a cliff

[lime sigil]

they removed headtaps, so u dont magnet to rainbow flicks anymore, and probably invul frames start later not directly at startup idk

as easily anymore*

u can still magnet to rbflick

[barren lava]

also dribbling is slower you probably just dont know because ure dribbling at full stam its the stanina changes that made it slower

[lime sigil]

yep

stamina cost increased while dribbling

[ornate harness]

I’ve seen rainbow flicks in master div3 matches

[lime sigil]

correct

[silver bolt]

The tourney i played today rainbow was used like twice both failed

[ornate harness]

Someone even double flicked in a row 2 defenders before scoring

It’s just harder and requires more practice

[silver bolt]

Yeah if the defense has a heart attack mid match it might get past them

[barren lava]

Yes but having lower stam now slows you down so much its crazy hence dribbling is slower

[ornate harness]

Easy to learn hard to master

[lime sigil]

https://youtu.be/QmFMsREPTpE

[ornate harness]

Before it was easy to learn easy to master

[silver bolt]

Me when I check one of 50 animations

Plus those are the good animations anyways

[lime sigil]

true

[ornate harness]

Yes you have to manager your stam that’s part of game mechanic

[silver bolt]

Som3 animations put u in end lag for 15 weeks while the ball gets sent to africa

[barren lava]

ts cant be the new beta stam consumption is way too low

[lime sigil]

it is this beta bro

i made the video yday

also in old beta i would get head taps

[barren lava]

not if u timed it right

[silver bolt]

The problems with stamina mainly stem from touch ball draining stamina + u can't regenerate stamina in between touches too

Tho last test was ridiculous u couldn't run out of stamina

So it's a chill change

[lime sigil]

you can still do the same things as old beta idk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoFUFFQAVyY

[silver bolt]

I mean yeah some animations are still chill and that move in particular i don't think anyone would say u couldn't do

[lime sigil]

55s i do double flicks np

[silver bolt]

Like its so easy to tell I mean just watch the eu and NA tourney vods esspically NA they where all turbo low scoring since offense got gutted

Just peep the gameplay its so easy to see in real time these 1v0 test can't show

[hot crest]

This is just incorrect completely. You can't rainbow flick into head taps anymore. You can't do a short lob pass into a volley anymore. Rainbow flicks are exponentially easier to defend because they come out so slowly. I've played top level tournaments in NA in both of the last playtests and gotten 2nd in 2 of the 3. I've played against what are currently the best teams in NA (that we've seen at least, obviously not everyone plays these tournies). The amount of rainbow flicks and dribbling last playtest was DRASTICALLY higher than this playtest

This also would not be the first time I've seen a game studio claim that there were "practically no changes made to balance" on something and ended up being completely incorrect

Fwiw, I've also been the top rank in both of the previous playtests as well, so I'm not just some random gold/plat player wanting to make tiktok clips. I'm playing at the actual competitive level where people know what they're doing

[silver bolt]

https://www.twitch.tv/rematchesports/clip/HeartlessPrettiestBisonFutureMan-1M6PDdcW_RFV-SYr I mean even in this clip I have to use fucking extra effort to catch my rainbow

What tf is that

(Also the rainbow does nothing in this clip)

[main elm]

Am i tripping or Rainbow flick feels really slow and also goes really far away now?

[hot crest]

You're not tripping

[lime sigil]

youre all tripping

[main elm]

yeah cause it felt like skill thing before and now everyone knows how to counter it since it takes years to use it

[silver bolt]

I think when evrey single player disagrees u might be wrong

[frigid ether]

You know that the reward should come with the effort?
What do You expect from something that takes just LB+A to perform?
An instant win? You serious?

[hot crest]

I mean it was very counterable before, but the available usage feels like it's practically nothing now

[main elm]

it was way harder before tho, jumping was the only possible option as i recall

[hot crest]

It wasn't an instant win before either. I expect an input to have purpose and be usable. Rainbow flick as it is right now is not

[silver bolt]

The hardest mechanics in this game can be executed by a 5 year old what's ur point

[frigid ether]

This is typical cognitive bias.
There is PLENTY, PLENTY of people who cherish the change.

[lime sigil]

just test it yourself then? i dont understand why everyone is just making assumptions instead of testing

[hot crest]

Not true at all. If you held defensive stance and just backed up slightly you would block them from the ball and would gain prio on their touch

[main elm]

Also with rainbow you couldve go to head tap and now its goneee

[hot crest]

It was very easy

[silver bolt]

I did i played a whole tournament

[lime sigil]

both versions are completely the same except head taps and stamina consumption regarding rainbow flicks and dribbling speed

[main elm]

previous beta was long ago so i dont remember that in 100% you might be right

[frigid ether]

My point exactly. If if wasnt required to have any skill You can expect this to work miracles.
Press a to win is bullshit.
Glad they made it harder.

[hot crest]

I've literally played 20 hours of this test and both of the top NA tournaments I could play in

[main elm]

Its not really harder. Its like worse ig

[silver bolt]

Kinda crazy that out of evrey person I've talked to that was in the tournament they agreed and those ppl have more time on game than anyone across both test

[frigid ether]

Another cognitive bias man.

[silver bolt]

I don't get why ppl day its "harder" its not hard its useless there is a difference

[frigid ether]

Learn some science and psychology.

[silver bolt]

I am getting my minor and psych and and major in data science

[hot crest]

Ok so question for you then. How should you be able to win dribbling interactions? If rainbow flick does nothing, dribble stance is easily countered by patience with defensive stance, and you can't really tap around, how are you supposed to win 1v1's on offense?

[silver bolt]

Which is guess is technically match but still stands

[frigid ether]

You tend to get similar opinion in ALL OF THE MATTERS in Your life, because You surround Yourself with people who have similar preferences / opinion

[hot crest]

Keep in mind that in irl football, players win 1v1 dribbling interactions all the time

[frigid ether]

And Yes, almost every my friend who played both betas, said this one is hell much better.

[hot crest]

So how are you supposed to win these interactions?

[main elm]

Also one thing. If enemy is trying to score from backboard its pretty much impossible to deflect that as defender since their attack has the priority and yours just snaps out of animation. Or is it just my skill issue

[silver bolt]

Man ur right why should I trust experts opinions when I could just crowd source an opinion instead that sounds like a good idea

[hot crest]

Goalie has prio, defenders themselves don't

[lime sigil]

"expert opinions" none of those has compared both versions

[main elm]

There was multiple times my goalie went through the legs of defender

Very fun

[hot crest]

I'll be honest, the inconsistent servers have made certain interactions really weird yeah

[frigid ether]

On 5v5 big field, directional tap in proper timing leaves slider in dust.
You made the advantage, pass it to some of the free teammate, cause dusting the slider made You number advantage

[silver bolt]

You know there is a saying in stats that if opinion and stats differ drastically typically the stats are wrong

[hot crest]

Ok huge so what if they don't slide

Because only morons slide on defense for no reason

[main elm]

Sliding is when in front is just plain dumb

[hot crest]

Exactly

[silver bolt]

Slide is so useless this test to but I think its more a server issue than anything

[hot crest]

Also stamina issues Gravity

[silver bolt]

And to have wallaby tell me evrey 30 seconds to not slide

[main elm]

People cried alot before cause slides very op

[hot crest]

LOL

[frigid ether]

Well proper defender should win majority of dribble attemts. Just like irl

[hot crest]

I've always thought sliding was useless at the top level tbh

[main elm]

its all about that little foot taps

[hot crest]

Ok here's the thing, right now the offensive player cannot win any dribble attempts

[frigid ether]

Thats why it is, and always should be an trick in a sleeve. Not a main work method

[hot crest]

Not against a defender with hands

and a brain

[silver bolt]

My favorite part about slide tackling someone is there is a 50% chance my slide kills them and they get stunned for 10min or they just shake it off like I grazed them

[frigid ether]

Bullshit.
Always, never, everyone, noone.
This statements are always said by people who cannot process a dialogue or arguments.

That emotion based biases. Nothing else.

[main elm]

I mean hes kinda right, holding ctrl and just waiting for the animation to finish is op

[hot crest]

Yeah I'm not wrong here at all LOL

[main elm]

then e and you are on offense

[hot crest]

I'll be real, anyone who defends the way dribbling feels right now shows that they just aren't that great of a player

[silver bolt]

Wanna participate in more pseudo intellectualism or are we done for the day

[hot crest]

It was the same for people who defended how strong goalies were 2 tests ago

[silver bolt]

Ain't now way ppl defended that💀

[main elm]

goalies in previous beta couldnt jump back right and front left...

[frigid ether]

Definition of dribble is to FOOL defender.
If You cannot, You fail. Thats how it works.
If You are not good enough to fool him, You shouldn't attempt to dribble, You should pass.

[fading moat]

hi, pretty simple thing to why dribble should not be more powerful than defensive mecanic, 1: it's not rocket league 2: the game is different from rocket league let him be his own thing

[hot crest]

This literally was the same argument I had with people way back then LOL it's crazy

[lime sigil]

dribbling is the same bro i dont understand

lt+a is the same

[main elm]

Its waaaay differnet wdm

its even different color like you cant skip on that

[silver bolt]

Ah yes let's me get fooled by moves that have 15min of start up time and don't move u anywhere and give no I frames

[lime sigil]

congrats its blue not red

[hot crest]

I actually agree with you. Dribbling should lose to good defense well more than half the time. The problem is it doesn't win at all unless the defender makes a mistake

[main elm]

red feels fast tho

[lime sigil]

😂

[lime sigil]

im convinced, its vastly slower now

[hot crest]

I would love for you to show me a single clip of anyone beating a defender that didn't make a blatant mistake

[lime sigil]

my testings are all fake

[main elm]

I mean its good that its blue no cause you can see a ball but the drible has such a little movement nowits hard to get past someone

[frigid ether]

Taps are almost instant. And You can choose any direction.
What the hell are You talking about?

Childish gimmick auto rainbow with single click?

[hot crest]

lt+a is not the only way to dribble also, btw, even THAT is different because it takes more stamina now

[main elm]

Defender can make a small mistakes and still be on top. should be more 50/50

[hot crest]

Sooooo where's the mind game?

[lime sigil]

yep, only costs more stamina, and headtaps gone

[silver bolt]

I played defense for the whole entire tourney and didnt get broken once by a dribble man these tourney players are ass or maybe I'm just the best defensive player to ever do it

[lime sigil]

apart from that, its all the same

[hot crest]

You tapped it left, then right, then left, then right, then...???

[main elm]

headtaps were my favorite...

[frigid ether]

I would love to never happen in the game.
If defender didnt make a mistake, You shouldn't be able to auto dribble around him

[lime sigil]

headtaps were incredibly dumb

[main elm]

and incredibly fun

[hot crest]

Ahhhh ok I see why you're arguing like this now

[lime sigil]

every noob thought theyre progamer after discovering headtaps

[main elm]

especially with newer players

[hot crest]

You actually think the defender winning every interaction is good gameplay

[hot crest]

THIS IS A GOOD THING BTW

[main elm]

Aint games supposed to make you fell good tho

[hot crest]

That's a good thing that players felt like they were good and that it was fluid when they discovered this

[main elm]

like rocket league. first arial goal felt like a dream

[hot crest]

Because it wasn't hard to defend still

[silver bolt]

The thing is u cant make the defense make mistakes on defense u can legit just stand in front of then and now there clamped

[frigid ether]

No. Properly positioned defender who deosnt get fooled, overcommited or missteped should be winning every interaction.

[silver bolt]

If a defender is just standing in front of u I would love to know how u beat them

[celest tundra]

This thread has become a huge jerk off session and almost nothing of note has been said since yesterday except for @lime sigil recording tests.

[silver bolt]

If u figured that out u would be the rank 1 player this test

[frigid ether]

And we are much closer to that this beta as dribbling is no longer headless chicken spam

[main elm]

I can miss 5 times my tackle and still win cause he cant get past me without passing

[hot crest]

You're actually correct, they should. Our argument is that there is no actual way to fake out a defender to make a mistake

[frigid ether]

As in real football.
If the defender isnt fooled to Your fakes and tricks, all You can do is to pass the ball.

[main elm]

You seen messi?

[hot crest]

But in real football, you have options

You can actually make moves that do something

[silver bolt]

Are you just refusing to read or what

[main elm]

1v3

[frigid ether]

Yes, TOP1 player and still he doesnt get 100% succes dribble rate.

With previous auto dribble 50% of community could have done such gimmicks

[silver bolt]

The whole argument is as a dribbler u have no good options

[hot crest]

We don't want you to just auto win

[lime sigil]

On the contrary, I felt that headtaps made people feel like they were godlike and led them to only play solo everytime they touched ball

[stable thistle]

this is a tennis game... just long shoot everywhere and everybody in attack!!!! so funny yeeeeeeeeeee

[main elm]

At least we can aggre hes better than cr7

[hot crest]

We want you the offensive player to have actual options

[silver bolt]

Rainbow should be the answer to a defender playing to close but it isn't

That's obviously a problem

[frigid ether]

https://tenor.com/view/ronaldo-fails-gif-25154101

[main elm]

literally jump in timing and its over

[hot crest]

They do this anyways even now. This is just solo queue in a nutshell...this happens in Rocket League also all the time at all ranks

[frigid ether]

That meme is also so accurate to many people in Rematch atm 😄

[silver bolt]

While i don't think the head taps where very good it did look kinda out of place

[celest tundra]

I'd like somebody to try and counter the videos @lime sigil sent. I dont really care how it 'feels'. Show us, comrades.

[frigid ether]

I could agree only in one case.
If You rainbow, and I press header when You attempt it, I get 100% counter rate to steal posession. Deal?

[main elm]

awful idea nvm

[silver bolt]

Yes if u time a header vs a rainbow u should win it like what?

[hot crest]

Gravity posted a clip showing how he used a simple rainbow flick and had to extra effort to catch it. It's also not needed to be tested to show you cannot do several of the mechanics you could before. On top of that, it's confirmed stamina changed a lot also so idk what counter argument you need here

[hot crest]

you already did

last playtest you literally did

[celest tundra]

Just to be very clear

[frigid ether]

But You dont have to time rainbow.
Thats unbalancdd

[celest tundra]

You think the studio is lying?

[hot crest]

you didn't even have to header...you could use defensive stance and hold them back and win

[main elm]

last playtest 1/5 games wouldnt let me touch the ball now its 1/50

weird glitch

[frigid ether]

Only in maybe 2 out of 3.
So it wasnt balanced enough

[silver bolt]

Are just ignoring the part where I sent the clip where I had to extra effort for the rainbow

That shit didnt happen last test

[barren lava]

if u timed it well youd stop it everytime

[hot crest]

No, it's not lying. They could think they didn't change much (notice how they didn't say they made no changes) but actually it changed a lot, or they could've changed something else that affected the current way it feels. Other things can be changed that affect this accidentally

I think they believe what they said, but accidents happen al lthe time

[frigid ether]

And now it is balanced. You have some extra step, I have to time header right.
We are balanced now. Well done.

[main elm]

In your defense literally everything in life that was "OG" people will argue that its better because they got used to it

[hot crest]

Look at Riot...they change things on accident constantly when they're changing something else

[silver bolt]

Its very easy to make an accidental change when adjusting something else

Its not even being a bad developer shit happens sometimes

[celest tundra]

I'll respect this response, see if they say anything else in days coming

[hot crest]

You didn't have to time anything. You could just hold defensive stance and win against rainbow flicks if you backed up slightly

[main elm]

I love my viego one tapping towers

[hot crest]

There was no timing

[silver bolt]

If u gave me the game on both the test I would be able to tell the diffence in 30 seconds

[hot crest]

It's not balanced as it is. Balance is having offensive players have actual options. They have literally none right now that do anything

[silver bolt]

Like actual game installed on my pc

[frigid ether]

They kinda agreed that they removed iframes from dribble stance.
Which makes these whines funny.
Considering that they just removed invincibility out of dribble. Lol

[main elm]

passing ig

[hot crest]

I mean that was always the best option

[main elm]

kinda only sometimes

[silver bolt]

If I remember correctly I frames where only dropped because server issues

Not gameplay reasons

[hot crest]

Fwiw, this change actually buffed my tournament team

Cause they stopped trying to rainbow flick every time they got the ball

and actually just touch pass now

[celest tundra]

But until I see the devs specifically outline what they did and state that big changes were accidentally made

[hot crest]

(keep in mind the rainbow flick still didn't work ever)

[main elm]

They actually made passes really good rn!

[silver bolt]

We where the 1-0 masters

[celest tundra]

I'll keep defending the status quo

[frigid ether]

But that results in people crying that its shit now.
Cause no longer they are invincible on the spam ;D

[versed hornet]

But there was no need to cap ground dribbling

[versed hornet]

Doesn't look the same

[hot crest]

I just think this is a bad way to approach it. If so many people are saying it feels so much worse, that isn't just placebo. It didn't come out of nowhere

[celest tundra]

Btw just to argue on the other side for a change most of the ball hogs we're complaining about are gonna get phased out through ranked modes anyway. Whats the big deal?

[silver bolt]

I personally haven't meant someone who thought the i frames where broken. Not that I doubt they exist cause I'm sure they do but I really don't see the problem on them

[frigid ether]

You again? Are You gonna tell us again that You refunded, and yet still here after 48h?

[silver bolt]

A well tike dribbled should beat a tackle that is fun and interactive gameplay for both sides

[main elm]

If they added 3 frames to dribble instead of 2 it might actually do something

[hot crest]

They were going to get phased out anyways by just being low rank

And never winning

[main elm]

well not frames but like that thingy

[versed hornet]

You have an Discord's acc since 2018 anos acts like a child

[celest tundra]

Thanks but I said exactly that

[main elm]

More ground to cover with dribble that way

[hot crest]

I'm fine with no i-frames idc just give me options

[versed hornet]

Get a girlfriend

[hot crest]

I'm not even a dribbling guy, I am the person who is practically always touch passing tbh

[frigid ether]

How would You like to balance iframed animations?
What tool would You give to defense to counter 'press dribble to guarantee ball'?

[main elm]

not a good argument, mines 2017 and i still insult people

[celest tundra]

If they come out and stick to the notion that hardly anything changed, do you think people here are gonna change their mind?

[silver bolt]

If u miss time the dribbled u get tackled????

[frigid ether]

My wife wouldn't be happy about it.

[silver bolt]

Its pretty clear to be honest

[versed hornet]

I don't want to insult someone, if i do i'll probably get banned

[hot crest]

I mean maybe I'm not sure. The people who are just followers and complaining to complain sure, but the people who actually feel the difference won't just change their minds

[versed hornet]

Cap

[hot crest]

yo you're being weird

stop just randomly insulting people

[versed hornet]

I didn't

[main elm]

you didnt understand me, acc lifespan is not really an indication of anything

[ornate harness]

If there was DRASTICALLY higher amount of dribbles and flicks in previous beta tournaments then it’s a good thing there are less now because they are not supposed to the main meta if their vision is to have a competitive teamplay game

[versed hornet]

He did

[frigid ether]

They didnt change animations etc.
The only real changes are the fact that dribble stance have reduced iframes and it takes stamina now.

[hot crest]

There weren't that many in previous tournaments, they just existed. Now there were practically none

[main elm]

also shoutout to my idea of commandating teammates on the idea board

[frigid ether]

And this caused people cry because it is not as brianless as it was before.

[ornate harness]

So nothing drastic then ?

[versed hornet]

He's not 14 and still acts like a child, thats the point

[silver bolt]

This argument that dribbling id harder and people aren't good enough completely falls apart by just looking at tournaments

There is no argument

[main elm]

idk im 21 and i think hes acting fine

[hot crest]

If it happened in let's say 8% of interactions, and is now less than 1% of interactions, that is drastic

[main elm]

he jsut has different opinion

i cant spell

[silver bolt]

Unless u wanna argue that tourney players have not adjusted to the new mechanics but I just don't agree

[hot crest]

Just chill with the insults it's so weird

[thin sleet]

What do u mean, u cant sprint more than 10m without the ball before ur stamina is 0, last beta u almost could go from side to side before being at 0 stamina

[ornate harness]

Dunno where you get these numbers from but dribbles definitely still exist and are useful from what I’ve seen

[main elm]

Oh yeah the sprint thing is ass

[versed hornet]

You are trying to outsmart people like someone cares about the air dribbling

[main elm]

My player smokes 10 packs daily now with that stamina

[ornate harness]

Like I said they are just harder and require more practice and commitment. Dribble is a risk/reward thing

[silver bolt]

Real my striker was chain smoking today

[versed hornet]

Literally nobody Said that spamming was good

Stop acting like someone is defending that

[hot crest]

Also something important to note, having offensive options for the player with the ball and giving them the ability to dribble and beat defenders if played well also helps support team play. If you can have a chance at winning a 1v1, that gives you more options on offense to setup your teamplay. If you can literally never win a 1v1, this is very limiting to teamplay and takes away a lot of options

[hot crest]

The numbers were made up, I'm simply saying that a difference that might seem small is still drastic

[main elm]

Ngl my teammates in previous beta were isagis and i hated it

[silver bolt]

Getting a Bachira hair cut on ur team is a frame 1 ff

[hot crest]

I mean I played a few games of ranked without a full stack and immediately stopped playing this test until my friends got on cause I just couldn't be asked to deal with the ballhog players

[versed hornet]

My teammates last beta seens like pep guardiola's Barça

[main elm]

i won all 15 of my rankeds solo que. got lucky

[hot crest]

It's no different this test except now they almost always lose the ball

[main elm]

then work came and beta ended :c

[hot crest]

this test isn't over no?

[silver bolt]

I thought it was till noon

[barren lava]

this has to be last beta

[main elm]

yeah but i dont find 5v5 soloque fun at all. ill wait till relase

[hot crest]

it's till saturday I thought

[main elm]

I did it for diamond last beta.

[versed hornet]

I'm the middle part of it

[frigid ether]

And Im really glad they changed it!
Ever seen anyone irl sprinting from line to line?
If anyone would do this, he would be barely walking for next 5 minutes

[hot crest]

Imo passing should always be better than dribbling. Defense should win interactions against dribblers most of the time if played properly. I also think dribbling should be an option and actually possible

[main elm]

Tbh i hate people that dont click C or Space to receive ball more than the dribblers. At least they pick up the ball

[celest tundra]

I guess we should refer to this in the future

[versed hornet]

Now we have cherrypickers waiting for the ball

[versed hornet]

That's not a evolution

[silver bolt]

Slightly right and slightly up like 1,1 of devs don't recognize and acknowledge what went wrong from this test to last i cant really reason the game will do well long term

[main elm]

All those perfect goalie passes just for my teammate to leave the ball hanging

[frigid ether]

Thats a really valid voice of reason.

[main elm]

But if someone goes dribble mode, loses the ball and doesnt even say sorry thats just toxic

[versed hornet]

Did you play football?

[versed hornet]

I mean, with someone who's not American