The game is completely different now. (And boring)

[coral mulch]

quote me where i say the game is better, stop fighting demons in ur head

[ripe frost]

and we didnt have that last beta?

[boreal raven]

again it was still able to be like that last beta, it just feels more one dimensional now

[ripe frost]

you cant create a game with 1 dimensional gameplay to try stop random people from ball hogging, thats not how you create good game design lmao

[frigid ether]

If header blocked only some of the rainbows, not all of them, no, I dont agree this was balanced.

[coral mulch]

"In the last beta passing was 100% better than just dribbling the ball and trying to beat the defender but dribbling was still viable, but in this version they made trying to dribble past a defender super unreliable and made passing the only reliable action with the ball which imo makes the game super 1 dimensional and boring"

so literally what i said?

[frigid ether]

Sure, lets revert, but guarantee that if I press Y (Xbox) after You pressed rainbow, I get the ball.
Deal?

[ripe frost]

then why are you chattin to me about some supossed hero/carry role?

[coral mulch]

because thats how the devs changed the game to be?

[ripe frost]

like i said, good game design is giving the players tools to stand out, removing tools that increase options and skill caps is bad for the game

[frigid ether]

But dribbling is not removed. It is now more time sensitive

You have to time it better

Sliding animation is still longer than taping the ball. So if You time it better, You get similar results.

[coral mulch]

the only thing i disagreed with u was that i think that these changes make it harder for lower elo players because you get players on your team that dont pass the ball lmao

then the game turns into a slide tackle shitfest

[ripe frost]

movement and actions are slow and clunky, dribbling included. stamina is nerfed. shooting ball spin nerfed to the ground, all sense of skill in the game is gone but if you enjoy this simple 1 dimensional gameplay loop good for you, im not the audience that they are now targetting i guess.

[frigid ether]

As far as I seen clunkiness is caused by terrible connection and netcode this time around.
On freeplay, the movement is fine.

[coral mulch]

like i said before, there is still skill to the game, the skill part just changed from trying to beat defenders by dribbling and taking a good shot on goal, to a full team based strategy

[ripe frost]

ok no offense but you clearly dont have many hours in previous betas or are low rated then so we can leave it at that

[frigid ether]

Sure, I could agree that sliding should be penalised more if missed/mistimed but its easier to solve than going back to single click 'press dribble to win'

[boreal raven]

comparing clips of dribbling to past beta, the ability to chain moves is not as fluid, even in freeplay

[frigid ether]

Cause in last beta, defenders were clearly in disadvantage

[coral mulch]

"I have 3 games this beta and got bored" for sure lil bro

[ripe frost]

nobody thats decent at the game is going to even attempt a dribble now and theres 0 chance id let anybody past me with this grandad gameplay lmao

the game now is pass pass pass shoot and hope the other team arnt marking correct, its boring and 1 dimensional.

[frigid ether]

Oh, Yes, You cannot chain in indefinitely anymore. But thats a good change.

Two, three dribbles in a row should be a definitive max, and Im glad it was toned down

[coral mulch]

They lowered the skill ceiling for micro gameplay so that people are forced to improve on their macro gameplay

I dont agree with how much they nerfed the micro, but im just saying thats how the game is now

[ripe frost]

that logic makes no sense, anybody in high rank knows not to mindlessly dribble 24/7 instead of passing, let people make mistakes and learn to play the game without baby'ing them but removing skill expression

[coral mulch]

and by saying there is no skill, my last ranked game i won a 4v5 with 1 goal 4 assists, there is still skill expression

[ripe frost]

at high ranking there will be nothing you can do to stand out.

[frigid ether]

Ever seen how NHL games plays multiplayer? You can do hundreds of dekes, fakes and tricks with the sticks.
Which made them pretty much every game beeing bunch of hero/carry, and is by far the worst multiplayer experience in gaming.

[boreal raven]

agreed, the argument that dribbling was changed because of hoggers was only a problem in low elo ranked and quickplay

[ripe frost]

then they get stuck in low elo and learn to play or stay low elo whats the problem?

[frigid ether]

No, they dont. Because they are absolute beast

[boreal raven]

didnt see that type of ball hogging mindset in higher elo

[ripe frost]

ok well if you are playing with people that dont pass then you are also just as bad as them stuck in low elo lmao

[coral mulch]

so now ur back tracking and agreeing with me that these changes are bad for low elo players?

[frigid ether]

Just noone plays it, cause if You are not getting puck at faceoff, You can forget of touching it until someone makes a mistake after indefinite amount of chained tricks

[ripe frost]

ill be honest idc about low elo players, the game should give tools for people to express skill and if that means low elo players get upset then get good?

[frigid ether]

Cause noone will ever pass having literally hundred moves to fake/deke.

Compare it now to single button rainbow. Thats a joke, not a skill

[ripe frost]

not true at all, i played at max rank and its mostly passing.

[boreal raven]

rainbows were easy to counter last beta, if u were falling for them your timing is bad

[coral mulch]

ur not getting my point.... Have u been high elo in any other game? It is not easy to balance a competitive a game where the micro is as important as the macro. I am trying to say that they went to far into making the macro the most important part of the game and making the micro not as important

[frigid ether]

No. Its called balance, mate.
If a player can press one button to have guaranteed rainbow, I am entitled to one button press guaranteed counter.

Header works like... 2 out of 3? Maybe?

[coral mulch]

saying macro is not important and not skill based is actually crazy

[ripe frost]

i never said macro isnt important? it was like 80% of the game in high elo too, but now its 100% and its boring thats my point.

[boreal raven]

its not balanced anymore though, again, this entire thread is about how the game is completely different and boring, in high elo and even quickplay, the utilization of dribbling is not seen anymore, its always look for a pass and hope for the best

[frigid ether]

If my "counter" time window for header, or tackle is much more narrow than a time window for making rainbow/tap that is a bad design

[boreal raven]

last beta, players were able to also skillfully dribble and pass out when being clamped

theres nothing fun, again, with this game being forced into a one dimensional state of mind

[ripe frost]

countering rainbow flicks were easy, you just had to bait them in and back up and either take it out the air with push ball or catch it with defensive stance, if you were fully commiting to a player and getting done by a rainbow flick thats just a skill issue

[coral mulch]

So im decently high elo in league of legends (diamond 1) when you get to that point of the game, everyone in your elo is is hitting all their skills shots, not canceling autos, etc. but the skill expression comes from macro.

[boreal raven]

almost all of the marketing of this game from tiktok and twitch were from skillful dribbling and shotmaking

[coral mulch]

you have said multiple times that there is no skill expression after the changes but i very much disagree

[boreal raven]

so dialing down the whole aspect that brought players in is horrible

[coral mulch]

100% i think the game was much more fun when that was in the game

[ripe frost]

i moba and rematch arnt even comparable, ofc a moba has more in depth macro skill

[boreal raven]

im pretty sure most of the community last beta would say the same

you cant have influencers market the game in a way where you display good dribbling and teamplay and then nerf it

[coral mulch]

yea thats why we have these discussion post almost all agreeing with that lmao

[ripe frost]

im talking from a high rated player that expects everybody to be able to do the basics of passing and marking ect, im talking about the micro skills that actually made you be able to stand out and express skill

[coral mulch]

Yes of course you are expecting to see that, then the skill expression comes from how well you can work as a team to do those things. your not gonna be able to get to high elo without those micro skills, but then at the top level the skill expression for a sports game come from how well/often you are able to take advantage of those skills through teamwork

and ill say it again, i think they went to far into making the macro more important than the micro because it turns the game one dimensional

[ripe frost]

keep hearing peoples defense for the changes 'something something teamwork' what exactly about slowing down the pace of the game and removing individual skillcap do to increase teamwork?

[versed hornet]

i lose by 4-0 because my team SUCKS

WHEN I PLAY AS A TEAM

MOST OF THE TIME IM LOSING

AND LOSING TEMPER ASWELL

if someone say: "get a team"

[coral mulch]

I am not trying to defend it lmao i have said that these changes are not good, but they do force you to not have the ball longer than 5 seconds which imo is the definition of making it a more team based game

[versed hornet]

WHY IS BALL HOG A PROBLEM AFTER ALL

IF I LOOK FOR A CUSTOM TEAM BALL HOG ISNT A THING

BALL HOGGING WASNT A PROBLEM, IT WAS A SOLUTION

[ripe frost]

and i have said that it creates a 1 dimensional slow boring game play loop, we are just talking in circles now idk

[coral mulch]

you can still ball hog, take the ball to the corner control it wait for ur team and make a lob pass to the middle for a shot

[versed hornet]

THATS A THING BUT IF YOUR TEAMMATE MISSES THE GOAL

WHATS THE POINT OF TACTICAL GAME

[coral mulch]

because u literally called me low elo when i was trying to say i agree with you 80-90%

[versed hornet]

AND WHEN I TRY TO DO SOMETHING ALONE MY TEAM BLAMES ME

LIKE I WAS THE PROBLEM

[frigid ether]

Thats obvious. If You pass the ball, You automatically give a chance to shine to another player. Not it is up to him to pass or score. And with slower speed, at 5v5 fields You have now a chance to shine at precise passing (usually shot passes which requires more aiming and power control, cause classic passing is too short on biggest field).

You automatically involve another player from Your team.

But when You ball hog its just You. Sure, You might have fun. But then You are just 10% of that lobby who have fun.

You can still dribble. Good timed tap with extra effort sprint makes wonders. But with recuded stamina, You can pass one guy make a number advantage and involve Your team.

And I love them for that.

[ripe frost]

anybody that would defend these changes in any way or form is 100% low elo, idk if i said you are or not but either way

[coral mulch]

skill based team game, in any of those ur gonna have low elo idiots who think they do nothing wrong, 25% of games u play ur going to win no matter how bad u play, 25% your gonna lose no matter how good u play, and 50% of them matter how good u play u just gotta not let the loses get to you

[versed hornet]

THATS NO SENSE IF YOUR TEAMMATES ARE BUMS

[ripe frost]

why are you still talking about ball hogging lmao, like i said anybody that does that is going to be stuck low elo, good game design is to give the players the tools to express individual skill and its down to the players to choose how they are used

[coral mulch]

and like i said b4, your fighting demons in ur head, i have never once defended these changes, i was disagreeing with you on the statement of how they removed all of the skill expression from the game.

[versed hornet]

if i try to play ranked it takes 8 minutos

if i try to play random it takes 1

but the teams are the worst

[frigid ether]

I clearly told why, when brught up the NHL comparison. Which has the most tools to shine, and most skilled based control. And guess what.
Teamplay there is absolutely non existsnt. They dont need other skaters to do miracles.

[coral mulch]

thats why every game has a "low elo hell" and u have to be a decent amount better than the players in your lobby to climb ladders fast

[ripe frost]

you have suggested multiple times that these changes force more 'teamwork' and im saying that just makes the game 1 dimensional, low skill and more importantly boring as fuck, ontop of the fact its not even true because higher pace gameplay has the potential to create MORE teamplay if you are good

[frigid ether]

The more self solutions You have, the less teamplay You will have.

And as they just slighly reduced the power of dribble, just moves it in a better direction of a SPORT TEAM game.
You can still outdribble defender. Just cannot chain it indefinitely.

[coral mulch]

I agree with most of this, but how can you argue that not being able to hold the ball for more than 5 seconds without passing to your TEAMmate does not force teamwork?

[ripe frost]

go youtube tourny games or something from last beta, its still 80-90% passing teamwork is always going to be the main thing, im saying if you remove the indivudual skill gap (dribbling, movement, shooting ball spin) then you are left with a 1 dimensional gameplay loop that is just awful to play

[left cliff]

if anything the new updates make it more of a skill based game and tactic game. knowing how to position. knowing where to lead the ball...

[ripe frost]

ok i can see the target audience for this game, nvm guys enjoy i guess lol

[left cliff]

referencing tourneys to the actual gameplay is laughable.

[frigid ether]

Not true. And there is a single proof.

Why do people pass in football? Because it travels faster than running.

If You couldn't move at all, You would be forced to pass. 100% teamplay.

If You could run faster than shooting ball travels, You would never pass. 0% teamplay.

Two extremis of the matter.
Pace of movement decides where will You end up in the graph.

Slower the game, more teamplay. And thats fact, sorry

[ripe frost]

you wont the gameplay loop to cater to fingerless dad gamers, i get it now. enjoy

[coral mulch]

1000% thats why in my original feedback i said the changes were bad because it FORCES YOU TO ONLY PASS (aka more teamwork) instead of having options for mind games/ pattern recognition for micro plays

[left cliff]

just say you cant position

[versed hornet]

THE LOW ELO HELL STILL STANDING WITH GOLD

[ripe frost]

max rank last beta what was you

max rank every game i touch

[coral mulch]

completly removing the micro of the game means that there is only macro right?

[frigid ether]

Yes.

[coral mulch]

so therefore it forces you to play as a team

[frigid ether]

And vice versa.

[versed hornet]

ITS JUST 1 PLAYER PROBLEM, IF YOUR TEAMMATES TROLL YOU CANT WIN

[ripe frost]

stop fooling yourself into thinking slow paced gameplay creates some sort of better teamplay gameloop you are on cope

[versed hornet]

THATS ALL

[left cliff]

and now we get to the child arguement (WHaT rAnK aRe yOU)

[coral mulch]

god you are going to live a lonely life, fighting demons in ur head, 1-5% of the people here will disagree with that statement

[frigid ether]

The proper balance is in order.
If You can outdribble one guy, You already made it 4v5. You did You job. Now involve the rest of the team.

[versed hornet]

its too difficult to score a goal with a bad team

and the matches are not 20 minutes

[ripe frost]

i mean you wanted to suggest i dont like the changes because i cant position (as if that makes any sense) so i let you know i was max rank last beta and every game i touch, whats the problem with that

[versed hornet]

so WHATS THE POINT ABOUT TEAMPLAY

[left cliff]

coping is not seeing how slowing the game down makes it more of a skill based positioning game. passing is now essential just say you cant hang with the big leagues bro. Legit beta spam skill users are more dadless gamers than anyone whoopty do you can spam deke

[left cliff]

ive scored with plenty of teammates like you

[frigid ether]

Dude, for real, trust me.
If You really think that 90% of other players are wrong, I give it 90% that this is You, not them.

[ripe frost]

PASSING WAS ALWAYS ESSENTIAL IN THE HIGHEST ELO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING

[coral mulch]

you cant sit here and say that these changes (which are not good) does not force you to play more of a macro style (aka teamwork) because there is no micro skill expression (WHICH IS NOT A GOOD GAMEPLAY LOOP U THICK SKULLED IM MEVER WRONG ANDY)

[left cliff]

lol maybe in youtube and 5 vs 5 group set games yes....

[ripe frost]

yes you are correct it does FORCE 1 dimensional macro gameplay that is boring slow and next to 0 skill gap, everybody can do this basic macro at high elo, theres nothing to make you stand out now thats my entire point

[coral mulch]

This, there needs to be a balance

[coral mulch]

its ok bro ur the smartest person in the whole world and u defiantly did not back track at all

[ripe frost]

back track what?

[left cliff]

I mean everyone is validated to there opinions at the end of the day, i think at the end of the day the devs goal was making this game team based. if they sped it up a bit more it would be amazing but keeping the Deke mechanics and all the new updates the same

[frigid ether]

Now You start another topic.
With different team numbers and different field sizes You cannot really balance all of the modes.

And as was told, luckily 5v5 is the main mode. And honeslty, slower pace works great on 5v5. Field is big enough to still show an option to outdribble the defender, but too big to do that more than once. And thats awesome.

[coral mulch]

yea bro whats this

acting like we cant just scroll up u ape

[frigid ether]

Get in position, time the tap right, outfool the defender, make Your team number advantage, pass the ball using free guy, score.

Thats how this game should work.

[ripe frost]

i didnt say MORE teamwork i said it forces 1 dimensional macro gameplay loop you mong

lmfao

[river trail]

Well fuckin said. I completely agree with all of it, the essence of football is teamwork thats a given but the nuances or the micro aspects is also imperative in the equation for the other things to fall into place and not be a drag!

[left cliff]

plain and simple

[versed hornet]

whos 90%

[coral mulch]

"you have suggested multiple times that these changes force more 'teamwork' and im saying that just makes the game 1 dimensional, low skill and more importantly boring as fuck, ontop of the fact its not even true because higher pace gameplay has the potential to create MORE teamplay if you are good" "yes you are correct it does FORCE 1 dimensional macro gameplay that is boring slow and next to 0 skill gap, everybody can do this basic macro at high elo, theres nothing to make you stand out now thats my entire point"

"bro wdym im not back tracking"

[ripe frost]

yes it does force 1 dimensional macro gameplay, which isnt the same thing as MORE teamwork

holy fuck ur dumb

[raw wraith]

I would argue that part of this that your missing is that I was the playmaker type last beta who was able to bait mistakes from the opps then pass to that "dribble hog" and watch him shine. I've adapted to the new gameplay but my opinion hasn't changed overall, I preferred the last beta game flow overall. Before I was 100% comitted to buying the game, now I'm really unsure tbh, I don't know what direction the devs want to take this game but I'm a rl player, I'm not interested in fifa 11v11 theory ig.

[coral mulch]

yea bro 100% im the dumb one, when i told u i agreed with what 90% of what u said just not 10% of it. then u backtracked and said yea it kinda does force it

my fault u dont have the brain capacity to have a conversation and think that everyone in this world is against you

[frigid ether]

How is it forced?
You still have tools to outdribble that one guy ahead of You. The only difference is that You cannot repeat it all over and over again.
Dribbling half of the biggest field in the game.

[ripe frost]

you still think i back tracked because you cant understand the difference between them forcing 1 dimensional macro gameplay compared to previous beta where you still had that macro gameplay with the added indivudual skill gap ontop, like how do you not understand it

[raw wraith]

what dont you agree with dennis?

[versed hornet]

thats all devs fault shoudnt be a discussion

[frigid ether]

So two of You had fun.
Now You pass to him, he can still outdribble a guy, and then when used his stamina, pass to 3rd guy, so all three of You can enjoy!

Thats a 50% increase!

[coral mulch]

alright bro ill put it in layman terms for you. For the sake of argument, say that the last beta was 50% micro 50% macro, if you change to where micro is 10% of the game, where does the other 90% of the game go?

[raw wraith]

who said two? if i have another likeminded player I will pass to him and use him if hes available

:S

[coral mulch]

does that mean the devs forced us to play a more macro orientated game?

[left cliff]

i dont completly disagree, i just think they need to keep the overdribbler maniacs out of the game. they could defs speed it up like you said but noone should be able to shoot behind half, noone should be able to drible from one end to the other no consequences. if you dont like these changes go back to RL fr

[versed hornet]

I CANT BECAUSE IM BEING MARKED BY 2 PLAYERS

[raw wraith]

they should if nobody punishes them 🤷

[left cliff]

then pass?

[raw wraith]

why should the game punish them?

[versed hornet]

if your team is bad what do you do

leave the match:

[frigid ether]

Thats a bad lobby if You are swarmed.
I barely seen any double down marking in any of the games yday

[left cliff]

nah i learn to play around them and try to win.

[raw wraith]

regarding go back to rl, don't worry bro ur little fifa 5v5 game is safe xD

[ripe frost]

they forced more macro orientated gameplay yes, which i have said doesnt equal more teamwork, is this hard for you to understand

[vale nacelle]

if your team is bad then you are at a disadvantaged in a "team based sport". but it doesnt mean the game should just allow you to spam spacebar and dribble through the def because theres a chance ur team will suck

[versed hornet]

play around a guy whos doesnt want to hop off the goal

[frigid ether]

You simply cannot allow anyone run free with fixed stamina. Everyone has to be covered, so no way to assign two guys to one opponent.

[coral mulch]

"you have suggested multiple times that these changes force more 'teamwork' and im saying that just makes the game 1 dimensional,"

[versed hornet]

because he thinks he is ronaldo

[left cliff]

But they can still dribble... ive seen players out dribble other people its just the bad servers? its more skillbased then holding down trigger and spamming x or a

[left cliff]

implement a report system

[versed hornet]

THATS NOT A THING TO REPORT

[coral mulch]

you are backtracking your statement saying that it does not FORCE more teamwork, i agree with your opinion on there is a beter gameplay loop if it is not forced

[left cliff]

implement one..... meaning introduce one into the game

[versed hornet]

BUT THATS NOT A THING TO REPORT

[left cliff]

why not?

its greifing

[versed hornet]

bro

[left cliff]

refusing to play with the team?

[left cliff]

girl?

[versed hornet]

you cant report someone for a missplay

[frigid ether]

Well it was punishing the defenders before. Why the game should punish them?
In offense You just spammed dribble to win. Defense had to he on their toes. With perfect marking and timing.

Now its just role reversed.

Who are You to say who should he punished and who should be promoted in the game?

[left cliff]

you really can though lol have you ever played online games before?

[ripe frost]

something wrong with your brain mate im not going to explain the difference between 1 dimensional macro gameplay loop and teamwork again, after reading this discord it seems the games target audience is very casual so i guess they have gone with the correct changes, enjoy

[left cliff]

and its not a missplay its deliberately trying to body someone out of the position.... not missplay just griefing

[raw wraith]

ye can still dribble but you are forced to pass off very quickly, no chance to make any other plays beyond that one dribble. This is probably much more like standard football flow but I reckon a lot of people saw the streams of this game and were expecting something different than standard football. Me included tbf. Like I said man, I've already adapted to the new game flow and it's still fun, just not a game i'm that interested in anymore and most likely will stick with RL. and again, if this is the game the devs wanted and visioned that is totally fine, it's their game, but it's not really what was advertised so of course some of us are a bit confused.

And I agree, skill spamming OP shit should not be a thing, everything should have a counter play

[coral mulch]

for sure bro everything u say in life is 100% factual and shouldn't be discussed in a discussion forum

[frigid ether]

Fun fact.
Brain is less common than 'finger skills'.
So in contrary this makes the game less casual, and more demanding.
But I understand why You think different, and where You fall on that....

[left cliff]

WHAT you can pass and out dribble ive made ton of plays solo you need better stam management maybe? cause ive had muliple situtions where i beat two guys then make the passing play. even go through entire teams with correct stam management. it makes it easy as hell when old testers are holding down that run button....

[frigid ether]

True to that.
Neither previous or this beta is perfect.

But to get balance, after last rainbow shitfest they had to test the other end now, right?

[jaunty sonnet]

u honestly like it how it is now lol

[raw wraith]

post a clip of you dusting an entire team pls

[frigid ether]

Oh Yes, seeing spam dribblere barely running when they deplete stamina like headless chicken is sometimes more satisfying than the assist/goal itslf 🙂

[left cliff]

unfortunately i dont record cause im not 12... you can take my word or not, using the extra boost with dribbling i beat 3 guys with simplicity because theyre stam management was horrid... it happens

[versed hornet]

i played as a defender

[left cliff]

agreed

[versed hornet]

i passed

i defended

[frigid ether]

Luckily not possible anymore!
One, two dribbles and You have to pass.
And thats absolutely amazing.

[raw wraith]

lmao my bad, thought u were 12

[versed hornet]

but nobody passed it to me

so i didnt score

what should i do

[left cliff]

ask friends to play? get 1 or 2 friends who know how to pass?

[versed hornet]

9 is the number of passes

[versed hornet]

so whats the point about ball hog

[left cliff]

what are you even saying

[versed hornet]

if you get a custom team ball hog isnt a problem

[clever kiln]

Sometimes you just get a team of proper pricks, but most of the time people do fine tbh

[versed hornet]

people said the tactical game was for anti ball hog

[left cliff]

getting 2 friends isnt a custom team xD

[versed hornet]

or dribbling demons

[clever kiln]

I need a twat-o-meter built into the game for people who spam emotes in quick succession.

[versed hornet]

if you call your friends

there is no ball hog

[left cliff]

bruh

[versed hornet]

and you cant punish someone for ball hogging

thats not wrong

[left cliff]

you can STILL have 2 people on your team who hog if you only have 2 people!?!?!?1

[versed hornet]

thats just braindead

[clever kiln]

When a teammate is ball hogging, I just hang back to go for an intercept because I know there's a 9 in 10 chance they're losing that ball before they get anywhere near the net.

[left cliff]

it still fills 2 others if you have 3 party thats ridiculous

[raw wraith]

pretty sure dennis is that guy 🤡

[frigid ether]

When You will start Your adult life You will understand, that getting all 5 at the same time isnt that easy.
And the game should be possible to be played, no matter do You have 1, 2 or none friends.

And spam dribble removal is a step towards this.

[left cliff]

LMAO good one wildcarrot

with the name like that i really wonder who the clown is

[raw wraith]

ohh man the 12yr old insult got me good

[left cliff]

12 year old?

you play RL

[versed hornet]

im an adult, and i didnt get the point of capping the game principal mechanics

[raw wraith]

bro is cooking me

[versed hornet]

dribbling wasnt broken

it was fair

[left cliff]

and now we get to the childish insults its okay to be mad mate

[frigid ether]

Trust me, if they will keep the current mechanics all the dribble spammer either will force them to play different or make them quit the game.

One way or another they will be gone.

Win win situation

[left cliff]

idk what i did to you

[versed hornet]

you could defend as much as the other team

[raw wraith]

Nothing relax lmao

[left cliff]

i even said earlier your entitled to your own opinion

[raw wraith]

and you brother

[frigid ether]

Did the defender had as easy to perform counter as 'spam the button' to take the ball away?

[left cliff]

i do hope they speed it up a bit, but other than that keep the rest the saem

[versed hornet]

what about the controlled dribbling

whats wrong with it

[frigid ether]

Oh thats a completely different story my friend!

[clever kiln]

Wonder how many people realise you can even hold LT and use the pass button to push the ball around

[versed hornet]

im not trying to defend lob spam

it sucks

[frigid ether]

And You can still use directional tap dribble. Nothing has changed here!

[versed hornet]

but now lob isnt even a thing

[raw wraith]

agreed, would help. The issue is this is the last beta so ... really they should squeeze in 1 more beta before release to help the portion of the playerbase that is confused rn

imo.

[versed hornet]

u need to start the rainbown with 3 second of difference from the tackle

thats ridiculous

and its not responsible

[frigid ether]

Stop. Come back.

Lets go to first question

[left cliff]

and fix the stupid Desync/lag issue cause its annoying as hell and we cant TRULY tell how it is right

[frigid ether]

Did the defender had as easy to perform counter as 'spam the button' to take the ball away?

[versed hornet]

spam m2

[frigid ether]

Thats right now.

[left cliff]

are you playing MNK???????

[frigid ether]

And now its fair and balanced.
Offense spam to dribble, I spam tackle.

[clever kiln]

Slides are easy to avoid, and if they're point blank to push through you then you've screwed up already tbh

[versed hornet]

i played the first beta, the best way to counter rainbown flick was with headers

[versed hornet]

the spam tackle is braindead

because a tackle counters everything

literally everything

[frigid ether]

If before I had to time and position while dribblers could just spam, thats perfect definiton of beeing broken

[clever kiln]

I mean it does if you just stand there gormless

[frigid ether]

Now both sides are equally broken 😄

[left cliff]

Are you mouse n keyboard?

[versed hornet]

before i used to do rainbow flicks or chops to get away from the wall

now people just spam tackle

as an idiot

[versed hornet]

yeah

[left cliff]

try controller maybe youll have an easier time

[clever kiln]

What do you do now, nothing? :v

[frigid ether]

So was spam to dribble.
And now its fair.

Both sides are balanced equally.

You see why You are wrong here?

[versed hornet]

try the chops

[left cliff]

cause you can still do the rainbow flicks and chops lmaoi

[versed hornet]

but the chops are also delayed as hell

[versed hornet]

its not fair

[left cliff]

thats the server end and desync tho

not anything else

[versed hornet]

you cant spam dribble

but you can spam tackle

we need to buff dribbling or nerf tackles

[left cliff]

if they didnt open the beta to PS5 it would be less laggy and EVERYONE would have an easier time dekeing

[frigid ether]

So did dribblers last time around.
Why it wasnt the problem, and spaming tackle is? Thats biased, man

[versed hornet]

the aero spamming was a problem

but the ground...

they killed dribbling

[vale nacelle]

how about this; neither attackers or defenders should be able to spam any button, whether its dribble or tackle. i think the current change is a step in the right direction to force more teamplay, because timing should be key, not how fast you can spam a single button. the game currently just feels too slow imo for it to be as enjoyable as it could be.

[versed hornet]

what about a game without dribbling and defending

make rehaxball

[frigid ether]

The ground works as expected.
Time it right and You are golden. Wide field open.
Just need to time it right, and choose proper direction.

Its just requires brain now.

Id call that fixed 🙂

[versed hornet]

if thats how the game is supposed to be

thats not for me

[raw wraith]

i feel like tackling is a bit scuffed rn but im low rank so probably just skill issue

[clever kiln]

You can't 'spam tackle'. If you're close enough, then you get the ball. You're locked into the direction doing it anyway. You have options to flick, or push it round, or roll it back, or pass it off etc. You have plenty of options to get past that.

[raw wraith]

definitely is a lot of spam tackling going on

[versed hornet]

i'll continue with my fifa

[frigid ether]

Too complicated, huh? Yeah, as I said before, i was 90% sure that You are the problem, not the other players 🙂

[raw wraith]

nobody is the problem, its just not what was really advertised before

[versed hornet]

you cant spam, but 3 players can tackle you in a row

[brittle hemlock]

Slow motion move, pass, slow motion move, pass that's the gameplay loop. So boring

[versed hornet]

the devs are the problem, they shouldnt change the game

[clever kiln]

If there's 3 people around you, then it should be absolutely trivial for you to pass off to almost any part of the pitch where it's completely empty

[frigid ether]

If You are swarmed by three people that says You are in absolute trash lobbies. Welp.

[vale nacelle]

i think the devs just need to decide if they want a casual or competitive game. right now it feels like a mixed bag of both, which means that 50% will be happy, 50% wont be

[frigid ether]

If Id have 3 guys on me, my team would instantly get a pass and end up 3 vs GK only and a goal

[frigid ether]

As above, exactly

[versed hornet]

the game's ambassador being ronaldinho is ironic

it should be pep guardiola

[clever kiln]

Why, because footballers are famously good at video games?

[versed hornet]

what

[versed hornet]

the best dribbler of all time is the ambassador of the game

a game that you cant dribble for more than 10 seconds without get out of stamina

[vale nacelle]

i mean lets be honest, even if ronaldinho was a baller its not like he was playing football like its blue lock

he still had to pass the ball

[versed hornet]

u didnt dinho playing

[clever kiln]

Sounds like a bit of a self report tbh

[frigid ether]

Can You please check for me how many goals and assist he had in his career? That would be another good lesson for You.

[versed hornet]

messi was a ball hogger too

why dont you blame him

ronaldo aswell

mbappe

[frigid ether]

Mbappe scored 3 goals in a final, and still didnt win World Cup.
Rings a Bell?

Thats football. TEAM GAME.

[versed hornet]

yeah, without mbappe it would be 3-0

kolo muani sold france

so

whats the point

teamplay killed france

kolo muani sold the world cup

[left cliff]

your crazy

go watch barca play

that team was tic tac TOE

[versed hornet]

ankara messi

messi messi

ankara messi

[versed hornet]

yeah

but neymar and messi are supposed to dribble

more than 1 guy if its necessary

neymar is one of the best players of all time

hes a ball hogger also

[vale nacelle]

u can still dribble with the new update, u just need to put some thought into it

its not like messi spammed spacebar and got through everyone suddenly

[frigid ether]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-miss-you-did-not-understand-gif-8722137

[edgy hazel]

im convinced everyone who says things like this are dogshit at dribbling

its so telling

[frigid ether]

But this time argument instead of joke

[sleek glacier]

nah bro

stop rage baiting

[left cliff]

its not rage bait?

[versed hornet]

looks like it is

[wet spindle]

lol its not rage bait?

[frigid ether]

How is it not? Good tap still beats tackle

[versed hornet]

EVERYONE WHO KEEPS DEFENDING THE GAME S DEATH KEEP BLAMING ABOUT HEAD TAP

[sleek glacier]

the game needs some balancing now.

[vale nacelle]

if anything, the current system just filters out those who arent actually good at dribbling

[versed hornet]

NOBODY THINKS THAT HEAD TAP IS GOOD

[edgy hazel]

again, moronic take

[sleek glacier]

exactly

[edgy hazel]

thanks for proving my point

[frigid ether]

Slide is easy to read. And taping in opposing direction makes You free, as missed tackle takes a looooong slide and long recover.

[vale nacelle]

what are you even mad at, having to think more?

[versed hornet]

when you got a slide from 3 players its not

[lime sigil]

whats a head tap

[sleek glacier]

game slowness

[versed hornet]

spam rainbow

[edgy hazel]

please, keep typing

ur digging it deeper

[vale nacelle]

i agree the game is too slow

[swift vale]

this beta was not a good audition to buy the game, last beta was better

[frigid ether]

If You are swarmed, lob over them - You should have 3 free teammates 😄
Bad vision? Cant see them? 😄

[lime sigil]

rainbow flicks are actually the only move that beats tackles right now

[versed hornet]

idk if you got it

[edgy hazel]

in fact, it was the complete opposite

[sleek glacier]

thats my point if old was better, put everything like it was.

[versed hornet]

but if the 3 free teamates lose the goal

its a 3v1

[edgy hazel]

if the game isnt fixed i will be refunding

[swift vale]

how so? last beta it was in a far better dont u think

[lime sigil]

i feel like tackles need nerfing

[edgy hazel]

that was to the first part of what you said

[swift vale]

ooohh

[sleek glacier]

he's saying you're right.

[swift vale]

u mean complete opposite like as a good audition

[edgy hazel]

yea

[sleek glacier]

yea

[swift vale]

yeah yeah am dumb

[edgy hazel]

completely inverted my opinion on getting the game

[swift vale]

thought u meant it was a very good audition lmaoo

yep

[frigid ether]

Just to rebalance, disable extra effort sprint for 5 sec after tackle.
And that should make it fair for both.

[sleek glacier]

i described this game like the funniest thing ever, now i dont feel like it.

[edgy hazel]

its just hilarious how everyones argument against what we're saying about the dribbling always devloves into something about being bad at the game

[versed hornet]

the way tackle just breaks the game is crazy

[lime sigil]

imo slide tackle needs less active frames and both tackles need more recovery frames on whiff

[edgy hazel]

the passing part of the gameplay is very easy with good vision

its just so god damn boring

[lime sigil]

its just too spammable

[left cliff]

I think the game should introduce a "fake shot"

[edgy hazel]

and not worth an investment of time now that its all there is

[lime sigil]

idk what they nerfed about movement, but i dont see it

[swift vale]

think it would be too broken

[versed hornet]

someone said that the wall shoot is a fake shot

[versed hornet]

💀

[frigid ether]

No, lol. Just use brain. If he is sprinting, tap the ball with manual dribble, Youll be fine.

And if You are swarmed, lob the ball to Your free teammates.

I know this is harder and requires more input than spam dribble like before but...

... You can always go back to FIFA 😄

[edgy hazel]

i wish i was this ignorant to my own image

no why he just typed that out and thought that was a good thing

holy embarrassing

[lime sigil]

can someone actually tell me WHAT was nerfed in movement compared to before, or are you all just speculating?

[frigid ether]

Yo cant chain dribble as much as before.

[edgy hazel]

"speculating" like we didnt have our hands on 2 different versions of the video game

[brittle hemlock]

It's slower and we have way way less stamina

[edgy hazel]

is this section just filled with idiots?

[swift vale]

also the lower the stamina, the slower u are

[vale nacelle]

welcome @austere flame

[austere flame]

hey borgar

why these people whining

[versed hornet]

we should have a dribbling mode

[vale nacelle]

they are angry they need to think before dribbling...

[versed hornet]

like 3v3 dribbling zone

[versed hornet]

with the old configs

[west oriole]

why people whining about ego stuff while it's a team game
Just pass the ball

[vale nacelle]

and if you dont agree they insult you

[versed hornet]

this should be good for booth part of the community

[versed hornet]

because the game became popular because of the clips

not by the passing

[west oriole]

k now adapt

[vale nacelle]

but ur playing football not a highlight reel

[last sage]

?? what 3v3 mode with dribbling that makes no sense

[swift vale]

you cannot flick the analog stick for neither push ball or pass (tap) anymore WHEN you see the ball lock on. You need to hold the analog stick UNTIL in does the action, if you just flick it, it will push ball or pass in the neutral direction. i have no idea why they changed this

[versed hornet]

we want the old mechanics, make a gamemode with them

its like fortnite without construction

i want rematch without passing

[frigid ether]

Fortnite, You say... 😄

Could have imagined

[swift vale]

l ragebait

[west oriole]

god don't buy the game if you aren't gonna pass

[versed hornet]

im not a fornite player

[last sage]

so then why r u adding 3 people who ur not gonna pass to?

[versed hornet]

well because its tactical

the game didnt became more tactical after the new beta

[last sage]

so u want 2 other teammates who are gonna watch u dribble?

[versed hornet]

the game just became worse

[lime sigil]

yall are tripping, its the same run speed wise, and dribbling feels exactly the same. "chain dribbles" as in LT + A? its completely the same, costs slightly more stamina to dribble

[west oriole]

this topic should have been in #💩｜memes

[frigid ether]

I think they should make them 1v1 with infinite stamina.
But who would they blame then? 😄

[lime sigil]

11.26s to run from one goal to the other goal in practice mode

same as old beta

[left cliff]

what???????

[lime sigil]

nice placebo lords

[swift vale]

damn am actually trying to raise an actual good point and this guy talking about not passing

[versed hornet]

i dont want to play the game as this

so make the game as before as a gamemode

[lime sigil]

someone prove me this thread is not completely tripping

[swift vale]

you cannot flick the analog stick for neither push ball or pass (tap) anymore WHEN you see the ball lock on. You need to hold the analog stick UNTIL in does the action, if you just flick it, it will push ball or pass in the neutral direction. i have no idea why they changed this

[left cliff]

then play a differnet game?

[frigid ether]

That should tell You enough already how to treat this... Specimen.

[vale nacelle]

sorry no proof

[west oriole]

1 guy spamming the message while 150k enjoying

[swift vale]

.

[last sage]

or just revert the changes we aint need a gamemode

[lime sigil]

complete joke with silver 1 ranks here

[versed hornet]

they dont want to

i want to play the game

[last sage]

says who

[versed hornet]

pikary

the lord of rematch

the game s owner

[lime sigil]

someone tell me what exactly changed, because movement speed is exactly the same as old beta, and LT+A chains are exactly the same aswell

[versed hornet]

the dribbling speed

[swift vale]

you cannot flick the analog stick for neither push ball or pass (tap) anymore WHEN you see the ball lock on. You need to hold the analog stick UNTIL in does the action, if you just flick it, it will push ball or pass in the neutral direction. i have no idea why they changed this

[west oriole]

just play the game why are you crying

[lime sigil]

wtf does that even mean, i just told u lt+a is the same

[versed hornet]

if i was not supposed to say what i think about the changes there was no feedback channel

[frigid ether]

It lasts shorter. You cant outdribble all 5 anymore 😉
And 1-2 is not enough for the kids 🙂

[versed hornet]

rainbow flick is slower

way too much

[west oriole]

sounds like a skill issue, play fifa if you want to dribble brainlessly

[versed hornet]

the ground flicks are nerfed for no reason

now i cant fake dribbling

[versed hornet]

you can just take the sliders

if you want to make it realistic

i also do it

i play fifa with passing

[swift vale]

literally answering to u what has actually changed, and u keep replying to that braindead idiot

[versed hornet]

the tap dribbling

chops

are now slower

in all senses

[west oriole]

silver rank problems here

[frigid ether]

Do You blame everyone else there as well? Including Your AI players?

[versed hornet]

im gold 2

[west oriole]

LMAO

[versed hornet]

the other beta i was higher

[swift vale]

NOT TAP DRIBBLING AS IN THE WAY U PRESENT IT MATE

you cannot flick the analog stick for neither push ball or pass (tap) anymore WHEN you see the ball lock on. You need to hold the analog stick UNTIL in does the action, if you just flick it, it will push ball or pass in the neutral direction. i have no idea why they changed this

THIS

IS WHAT CHANGED

and it is soo annoying

[versed hornet]

BECAUSE I DIDN'T DEPEND ON IMBECILES

[versed hornet]

THE ACTION OF MAKE IT TAKE ANOTHER DIRECTION IS SLOWER

ITS NOT RESPONSIBLE AS IT WAS

[lime sigil]

its the same

[versed hornet]

its not

[lime sigil]

completely the same

[versed hornet]

its clearly slower

[frigid ether]

Cinema, absolute cinema :🤣

[versed hornet]

takes more time to get the ball mid air

[swift vale]

mate am saying another problem that is easily fixable

[frigid ether]

Also, pretty sure this kid already said multiple times he already refunded the game.

[versed hornet]

so it has a lot of frames for tackling

[west oriole]

well anyway, those complaining are mostly those stuck gold thinking their teamates are the problem

[frigid ether]

Yet he is still here, amusing us and making fool of himself. Fascinating

[lime sigil]

thats just not true, its the same

[versed hornet]

if they change the game for the dribbling hell i want to see how you will act

[west oriole]

teamgame

[versed hornet]

you say turn it back

[west oriole]

last beta I was diamond too

[swift vale]

yet noone here actually responds to my comment that is an actual issue, u keep trying to entertain that fool

[frigid ether]

Oh You missed that.
He exactly whined about his team is always shit like an hour ago. Could You imagine? 😉

[versed hornet]

I ALREADY TOLD THE POINT

DRIBBLING ISNT AS GOOD AS IT WAS

[last sage]

this is how the dribbling was before https://www.tiktok.com/@bicalhormt/video/7508876575299882245?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

[lime sigil]

im testing dribbling and its completely the same

[swift vale]

AM SAYING ANOTHER PROBLEM U FOOL

[last sage]

watch the vid i sent

[sleek glacier]

bro, its not.

[swift vale]

THAT IS A INPUT RELATED PROBLEM

NOT A GAMEPLAY PROBLEM

[sleek glacier]

everything is delayed now

[versed hornet]

NOTHING, THEY DIDNT CHANGE NOTHING THAN DRIBBLING

[swift vale]

OMFG

[versed hornet]

I LIKE DRIBBLING

[frigid ether]

Probably got lost or You didnt see it before.

Im pretty much sure that this clunkiness is all about latency and netcode

[sleek glacier]

chill out people

damn

[swift vale]

you cannot flick the analog stick for neither push ball or pass (tap) anymore WHEN you see the ball lock on. You need to hold the analog stick UNTIL in does the action, if you just flick it, it will push ball or pass in the neutral direction. i have no idea why they changed this

[versed hornet]

I DONT WANT TO PLAY AS BARCELONA WITH REAL ZARAGOZA PLAYERS

[swift vale]

@frigid ether you cannot flick the analog stick for neither push ball or pass (tap) anymore WHEN you see the ball lock on. You need to hold the analog stick UNTIL in does the action, if you just flick it, it will push ball or pass in the neutral direction. i have no idea why they changed this

input related issue that noone brings up

[lime sigil]

i can do everything there now aswell

double LT+A same distance, smae speed

[frigid ether]

And i really believe that locking stuff is corelated with netcode. Which is abysmal this time around

[swift vale]

no no it must be in the game code

[lime sigil]

i think u are all just mistaking netcode issues and tackle OP with "dribbling too bad now"

[swift vale]

think about it

you push ball to the right, but if u let go of the analog stick before it happens it releases it forward not to th right

also try it in freeplay

no netcode problems there

[lime sigil]

i dont have that issue wdym

[swift vale]

it exists in freeplay aswell

[versed hornet]

looks like im playing with input lag

its not responsible

[west oriole]

what about you train instead of crying

[swift vale]

try to push ball to the right and let go of analog stick before your player does the animation ( u need to NOT hold the ball to ur feet, but rather have locked in to it)

[frigid ether]

I did. Im a victim of iRenting.
And how the ball behaves this beta is so similar to stuff happening when the server think You are in slighly different spot than Your client that I really believe huge part of the problem will be gone if they fix connection issues

[last sage]

so then u think they didnt change the dribbling?

[lime sigil]

yea and i can tell u its exactlky the same 😂

[versed hornet]

because the game isnt free

ill not pay for a game that was better before

[lime sigil]

nothing changed. just stamina cost more for dribbling

[west oriole]

ul

we lost a great player

[lime sigil]

chat is just tripping here

[swift vale]

the problem exists in free play aswell, so not connection related

[lime sigil]

i could post video side by side but idgaf

[versed hornet]

I hope the game dies then

[versed hornet]

nothing more to say

[left cliff]

it wont and it wont miss players like you

[west oriole]

ul go play roblox footbal

[versed hornet]

the pep guardiolas are just brainless to talk with

[sleek glacier]

dribbling is slower than the other beta bro

[frigid ether]

Considering the current pricing in game industry... Almost like it is free.

[versed hornet]

is way better than rematch

[west oriole]

nice stay there

[versed hornet]

40 usd isnt free

[clever sinew]

I have literally told everyone i know about this game in great excitement.
Ive played 2 betas before this one.
THE GAME WAS AMAZING.
But with the changes, it feels as if im playing a much slower game with a lower skill ceiling.
Its not as fun.
THIS was supposed to be the new thing, but with whatever changes were brought on the game feels a bit stale.

Dribbling isn't accurate any longer. Everything feels slower. It no longer seems to have that competitive feel.

Though its hard to gauge because the network lag this beta.

[frigid ether]

So why crying here? Go. Bye. Ciao!

[sleek glacier]

lets play Guitar Hero

[versed hornet]

i can buy the elden ring dlc

[sleek glacier]

this.

[versed hornet]

as i said before, i hope the devs are going to fix it

[sleek glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-as-ryan-follese-guitarist-of-hot-chelle-rae-gif-1120531074766741710

[left cliff]

they did fix it! they made it great!

[frigid ether]

Noone forced You to purchase most expensive edition.
Lame mistake, Your fault only.

[versed hornet]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/noAYF6fbrr0

thats how the game is supposed to be

now looks like a playground without the toys

[versed hornet]

it was fun

fast dribbling

creative solutions

[lime sigil]

u can do all of that

[versed hornet]

no icant

[lime sigil]

maybe u cant 😂

[versed hornet]

because they nerfed ground dribble and air also

[raw wraith]

bro would have had heart failure after 2 dribbles wdym lmao

[frigid ether]

Finally found the problem! Well done!

[lime sigil]

its legit the same bro what are u talking about

[raw wraith]

just ignore him man, hes 100% rage baiting

[versed hornet]

i trust on you now.

[raw wraith]

hes already blocked. weak baits :/

[swift vale]

try what i a am saying

[lime sigil]

wo whats the thing here, he does 2x lt+a, rb+x+a diagonally, double tap sprint and then blabla

[versed hornet]

dribbling wasnt broken

the players were worse

[raw wraith]

too slow 😂

[lime sigil]

bro cant handle that he sucks at the game 😦

[raw wraith]

Keep going 😂

[versed hornet]

thats the difference between whos bad and whos good

[frigid ether]

Ok. We dropped to childish level.

[raw wraith]

atleast we can all agree on that haha

[versed hornet]

well you will say that u dont agree with anything that i said

that dribbling is bad

[frigid ether]

Im out. I dont want to be beaten by their experience in that regard. Good night!

[swift vale]

can ONE OF YOU stop arguing with the rage baiter and pay attention to an actual problem am saying for half an hour?

[frigid ether]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

Just kidding. Have a good one!

[swift vale]

lmao

[versed hornet]

whats your point

[swift vale]

and again..

you cannot flick the analog stick for neither push ball or pass (tap) anymore WHEN you see the ball lock on. You need to hold the analog stick UNTIL in does the action, if you just flick it, it will push ball or pass in the neutral direction. i have no idea why they changed this

[versed hornet]

i dont play with a controller

translate it to keyboard

[swift vale]

THIS HAPPENS NOT WHEN U HAVE THE BALL ON UR FEET , BUT WHEN U SEE THE BLUE CROSSHAIR ON THE BALL

same with k&m

[sleek glacier]

guys just chill out

fr

[swift vale]

when u trying to control lets say long balls to a direction, lets say to the right, if you LET GO of the analog stick (in ur case ur direction key) BEFORE the action is completed it controls it neutrally

[versed hornet]

This game is disappointing

[ornate harness]

Then learn

[swift vale]

this was not a problem in the previous beta

[lime sigil]

i can provide proof but cba

[sleek glacier]

i know

im with you

but starting to block each other is not worth it

different opinions exist.

is fine.

[versed hornet]

ill save my money and buy elden ring dlc

[lime sigil]

i couldnt care less if wildcarrot rng silver 1 gamer blocks me or not

no one here can even pinpoint what has changed

[versed hornet]

you are the only one

who didnt notice how the game is slower

[lime sigil]

u should test it yourself then

[versed hornet]

i tested

i played both versions

[lime sigil]

i just played both versions

[versed hornet]

what i need to prove to you

[versed hornet]

were you a dribbler?

[lime sigil]

11.26s cross field run

rainbow flick same time aswell

[versed hornet]

i used to cross the field with only chops

[lime sigil]

lt+a same distance

[versed hornet]

idk what lt+a

[lime sigil]

whats chops

[versed hornet]

wow

[lime sigil]

LT is the dribble stance

[versed hornet]

💀

[swift vale]

you cannot flick the analog stick for neither push ball or pass (tap) anymore WHEN you see the ball lock on. You need to hold the analog stick UNTIL in does the action, if you just flick it, it will push ball or pass in the neutral direction

[versed hornet]

wth is analog stick

[swift vale]

DIRECTION IPNUT

[versed hornet]

youre saying like its a concept

but its not

you invented that name

[west oriole]

@versed hornetwhy are you still talking here if you arent gonna buy it

[swift vale]

u cant be serious

[versed hornet]

so what

why thats important

[swift vale]

...

[versed hornet]

im waiting you explain

[swift vale]

i explained it to u 4 times

[versed hornet]

the delay isnt important

[swift vale]

omfg

[versed hornet]

but lock in ball is

[versed hornet]

the last time ill say, i hope they will fix their mistakes

[sleek glacier]

its not bro. I mean. it start way slower.

[versed hornet]

he keeps saying that isnt

rage bait

everyone noticed that but him

[wet spindle]

there is nothing to fix

[versed hornet]

theres a lot to fix

specially now

[swift vale]

u cant be serious

[versed hornet]

there was less to fix before

[lime sigil]

its the same start up and ball drop time

[left cliff]

Agreed reef absoultely nothing to fix other than desync and controller bugs

[versed hornet]

now the game is skill based, but for those who has friends to play with

[lime sigil]

why cant admins just give a statement

[versed hornet]

this game, this community

[lime sigil]

this whole thread is just speculating and placebo

[versed hornet]

everything got wrong after this beta

[barren lava]

its just ragebait

[left cliff]

you just a rage baiter idrc about what you have to say anymore

[versed hornet]

thats what the others are awaring me

[versed hornet]

why dont you plau haxball or chess

and leave those who wants to play a fun game

[left cliff]

i do play chess its v fun

[pure torrent]

it is ridiculous! Man, I played almost all day and it feels worse and worse. I starting hating this beta. Barely playable. Jesus Christ ...

[wet spindle]

you guys are all saying you dont like the game in this current state. I didnt like the game during the previous beta and wasn't going to buy it. There are two sides to the arguement. If you're so butthurt then don't buy it and move on instead of pissing away your time here sayin the same shit over and over

[versed hornet]

the dribbling and server are now ruined

[wet spindle]

do you really have nothing better to do?

[clever sinew]

Tell me youve never been competitive without telling me youve never been competitve

[left cliff]

go watch the oilers win against dallas hockey is highspeed !

[versed hornet]

brazil is the country of futsal

[wet spindle]

played hockey my whole life.

[versed hornet]

watch futsal

or kings league

it looks like rematch before the beta

not saying its the peak of football

but rematch isnt footbal

its futsal

and also the shooting sucks

[west oriole]

complaining instead of trying to improve
Loser POV

[versed hornet]

im done

[ornate harness]

we just did 3v3 with my mates, looked like a dribble fest

so many raibows, oles and stuff

[pure torrent]

and for what? what the point when players can't make normal passes. Movement dead. Passes baged. ffs if I played this game first time in this state, I would never think this could be good and fun expirience

[pure torrent]

we just discussing things here, chillout

[knotty wind]

easy, you are on the wrong side of the discussion... don't buy the game then 😂

[west oriole]

not gonna name the guy who has been crying for 3 hours

[versed hornet]

I prefer my wishes than yours

As you prefers yours than mine

[ornate harness]

And you guys need 2737 messages to say that

[versed hornet]

To make someone happy others need to cry

It doesn't matter for me now

[sleek glacier]

way more

[versed hornet]

Im done with the hype

[dire silo]

plug in a controller challenge level impossible

[ornate harness]

ul

[versed hornet]

what about ruin both

should be fair

[dire silo]

https://tenor.com/view/xbox-xbox-one-jumpscare-gif-1530941239756748154

[versed hornet]

ill buy gamepass

because i dont want to support the creators

🔥

[dire silo]

Its fine I dont think they want your money

[versed hornet]

uh

they want it

[dire silo]

no like yours in specific

[versed hornet]

im sure they want it

[versed hornet]

why do you think you are the good part of the community?

[dire silo]

I think anyone that complains about the state of the game in a negative way in a beta shouldn't be in that communities beta

[tired compass]

That would defeat the whole purpose of a beta. A game company doesnt want "yes men" to only give them positive feedback

[versed hornet]

they are not helping themself

[dire silo]

you can give constructive criticism without saying you dont want to give the devs money

[versed hornet]

they didnt say a word about the game

and what they expect to do

how im i supposed to trust on them

after the quantity of changes

[tired compass]

true but that's just some people's way of expressing disatisfaction

[versed hornet]

and instability new problems

it was a joke about someone just saying "if keyboard is bad, dont use it"

JUST DON'T BREAK IT

[sleek glacier]

lmao

I played some other games today, and honestly, a game like this—in its current state—is going to get boring really fast. I get the whole teamplay aspect, but right now it just feels like endless left-right passing, switching from defense to attack in a repetitive and dull loop. To be honest, I’m not enjoying it at all at the moment.

[tired compass]

you've created a civil war in this community with this post bruh

[sleek glacier]

haha im sorry dude

i had to

[left cliff]

that goes both ways though it gets boring if people just spam deke

[tired compass]

100% but what can they add? IMO the game's scope is kind of limited

[sleek glacier]

This is why things need to be balanced without disproportions like this.

[sleek glacier]

I don't know, I know that the flow of the game is very slow and discontinuous, every match seems the same because the style of play is the same for everyone, zero creativity, zero attempts. idk

[tired compass]

I think the community just needs time to develop playstyles built around team play

so its not just a back and forth pass right and pass left

maybe some actual build up instead of the goalie just sending it out to the furthest available teammate

[sleek glacier]

like the community just needed time to realize that dribbling 24/7 wasn't the solution and wouldn't work too often. instead the developers made dribbling a crappy, pointless, and not fun thing.

Like i said in a previous message:

I totally understand why some people get frustrated with players who just go for skill after skill, playing solo and losing the ball. It makes sense—it can be annoying.

But the thing is, those players didn’t even get the chance to realize that that’s not how the game is meant to be played. Removing the ability to dribble properly just punishes everyone, including those who did figure it out—who understood that you need to pass, that you need teamwork, that it’s about having fun together.

Teamplay is 100% important. But we also need those little moments of individual brilliance. Because let’s be real—some people do want to be better than the others. And that’s the beauty of a competitive game, right?

[hollow skiff]

Wait what

Your saying they should’ve kept the drivbling so that they could learn to not dribble as much

[sleek glacier]

yes exactly. destroying it completely was not the solution after like 72h of beta

[hollow skiff]

The players aren’t children you dknt. Have to teach them a life lesson bro

If they wilk come to thag conclusion anyways

[sleek glacier]

lmao

[hollow skiff]

There’s no need to make it a unnecessary process thag delays olaying the actual game

[tired compass]

100% Agree

[lime sigil]

@bleak socket can u guys just give a statement and shut these ppl up lmao

[sleek glacier]

so just remove the keeper, what's the point of having goalkeepers who do nothing but delay people learning to score goals.

[hollow skiff]

Huh

No that’s a tantrum arguement you just threw

Your over exaggerating the point I made

To make it seem dumb

[bleak socket]

Let them talk

[hollow skiff]

Like by that same logic

[sleek glacier]

Love you bro

[hollow skiff]

Oh remove the ball to just speed up the process of learning thag everyone is imprisnt

And should lvoe each other

Matter of fact

Get rid of the whole field

Make it a mental game

[sleek glacier]

yeah

[hollow skiff]

It’s all spoken word

[tired compass]

W Ragebait

[hollow skiff]

It’s like d and d

[sleek glacier]

basically thats your point

[hollow skiff]

No it’s not

[sleek glacier]

.

[versed hornet]

i hate how gold rank is so lowkey dumb playing

[lime sigil]

like its so easy, just say yes ure right or no thats wrong, we didnt change anything

[hollow skiff]

Okay but

[sleek glacier]

but there is no right or wrong.

[hollow skiff]

A goalkeeper isn’t a unnecessary proceed

[tired compass]

Do you understand how a conversation works?

[ripe frost]

he is saying the game should give tools and options to be creative and provide a skill gap for individual skill instead of completely removing that option and forcing everybody into a 1 dimensional passing game play loop where nobody stands out or theres no learning curve.

[versed hornet]

the air dribble should be nerfed for spamming situations, just that.

[sleek glacier]

even dribbling in a soccer game isnt useless. do you understand?

[lime sigil]

do u understand that those claims are not true?

[hollow skiff]

Well he says it in the way WHWRE they include dribbling so you can use it fail and then realzie you shoukdnt dribble

Like that specific way

[sleek glacier]

everything have a learning curve bro

[hollow skiff]

Yea

[sleek glacier]

what are you talking about

[tired compass]

and how would we know when the company kinda has minimal transparency on whats being changed

[hollow skiff]

In the sense you learn how to utilize it correvtly

Not learn

That you don’t use it

Ever

[lime sigil]

yea thats the main problem. they could just shut the whole discussion down by giving a statement

[versed hornet]

.

[hollow skiff]

Do you think pkayebase discussion is just not useful to a developer?

[tired compass]

OR implement a patch notes system so conversations like this arent a guessing game

[sleek glacier]

I think it's not an easy decision to make.

[lime sigil]

i tested old and new its the same 🤷‍♀️

[lime sigil]

that would be too easy kappa

[tired compass]

def not the same. taps are clunkier, rainbox flicks are slower, gk reactions got nerfed.

[sleek glacier]

It will be fun to see who was right.

[ripe frost]

stamina nerfed, dribbling nerfed, lock on actions unresponsive and slow, shooting ball spin nerfed, all individual skill that could set you out from the rest is gone.

[lime sigil]

dribbling costs more stamina, thats correct

[sleek glacier]

I mean if you tell me that nothing has changed then that's a separate discussion. It's clear that things have changed, we're not all crazy here.

[tired compass]

actually stamina is the same. it takes the same amount of time to run from one side of the field to the other in this beta and the last one. Dribbling moves jsut cost more stamina

[hollow skiff]

It’s not even debatable

It has changed

Because they have already shown they change between builds

They had patch notes

[tired compass]

????

[lime sigil]

link?

[hollow skiff]

Have you not like

[ripe frost]

it isnt the same. it goes down faster and recharges faster.

[tired compass]

this man is schizo fr

[hollow skiff]

Tried to look

It’s in their updates

Dawg

[tired compass]

bruh please dont tell me you're talking about the feature focuses💀

[hollow skiff]

Like I know it’s not

Massive detailed patch notes

But it shows they do change between builds

So I’m just saying

[brittle hemlock]

People should understand 5v5 is futsal, not soccer. We want to be able to do cool individual things

[hollow skiff]

They do make gameplay changes and tweaks

[sleek glacier]

Yes, but anyone who says that nothing has changed is crazy.

ngl

[sleek glacier]

not tanking that

[tired compass]

Yes and thats a given when a user updates their game. They need to tell us values and stuff we can compare to. Plus alot of the changes made to this beta completely blindsided the community

[lime sigil]

i heard rainbow flick and movement speed got slower, which is just not true

[bleak socket]

there are patchnotes?

[brittle hemlock]

Yeah they don't even post patch notes

[tired compass]

rainbow flicks are so much slower

[sleek glacier]

ty

[lime sigil]

u want a side by side video?

[brittle hemlock]

That was April

[bleak socket]

oh

mb

[tired compass]

yeah give me a side by side of a player doing a rainbow flick when he's starting possession

[bleak socket]

yall want to see somthing funny?

[sleek glacier]

yea

[tired compass]

👀

[sleek glacier]

why not

[versed hornet]

what u mean

[brittle hemlock]

Did he just leave after saying that

[versed hornet]

yeah

[tired compass]

that might've been the joke🤷‍♂️

[versed hornet]

i dont think the mods know something about the game

[sleek glacier]

@bleak socket if you left like this you lose 900 moderator points.

[versed hornet]

specially the dev

[bleak socket]

sorry

I was looking for it

I can't find it

but

[brittle hemlock]

Wow bro

[bleak socket]

Nobugz said that they didn't do almost any balance change at all

at least when it comes to dribling

or animations being slower

[brittle hemlock]

Well stamina is obviously changed

[bleak socket]

I think stamina did get changed

[lime sigil]

🙂

close this thread now hahahaha

[sleek glacier]

they removed spamming right? with that change they added a cooldown or some kind of delay thats for sure

[versed hornet]

im sure they did

[sleek glacier]

yeah lets ignore the public feedback

[tired compass]

aint no way you're telling me the rainbow flick as soon as you get possession isnt slower?

[sleek glacier]

nice move

[versed hornet]

the control V + V isnt a thing anymore

[brittle hemlock]

Well rainbow flick into head juggle is gone but that's a good thing

[versed hornet]

would be good to have it back

[bleak socket]

I have no idea about what they changed, but they didn't change that much when it comes to speed movement or animation speed

[sleek glacier]

that much isnt anything tho

[grizzled pulsar]

I complete agree, I think it's more down to the way players are playing now. They're not diving into tackles as much and being a lot more calculated.

[brittle hemlock]

Stamina change is huge anyway

[bleak socket]

ngl I got used to the new stamina

[lime sigil]

As I said. Movement speed is same and animations are same. Only stamina cost for lt+a

[versed hornet]

but i didnt to the new controlled dribble

nerfed it a lot

@bleak socket say to devs to put control V + V again

it wasnt a bug

was just cool

[bleak socket]

What did that do?

I don't play on keyboard so I'm a bit lost

[versed hornet]

well

ill get a video

[sleek glacier]

@bleak socket so maybe there was some kind of invulnerability during the rainbow flick before?

[bleak socket]

I don't know the controls of the game I moderate 💔

[tired compass]

That is in the patch notes actually

[bleak socket]

idk

this is the funny part, knowing what they changed

figuring it out

[tired compass]

The dribble stance (Left trigger input while in possession) had a protective effect that allowed players to stay closer to the ball when tackled and stumbling. This caused bugs, rollbacks and desyncs in its current implementation. Looking at the state of the game and all the work that needs to be done for release, we opted to remove this effect from the dribble stance.

straight from the patch notes

im assuming the rainbow flick was included in that

[sleek glacier]

damn maybe the problem is that then

[tired compass]

so maybe rainbow flicks are only different now because they fixed desync issues?

[sleek glacier]

if i was invulnerable during those animations and now i'm not this explains why the timing felt different and slower. idk. im sure something changed from last beta. and i'm not the only one who thinks so apparently.

[sleek glacier]

no not that

[tired compass]

🤷‍♂️ i just play the game i don't develop it

@bleak socket lmk if sloclap is hiring

[sleek glacier]

nice try bro haha

[tired compass]

you miss 100% of the shots you dont take

[sleek glacier]

btw the game seems much more desynced now. sometimes i see the ball teleporting

[lime sigil]

You've changed

[tired compass]

Patch notes kappa

[lime sigil]

Idk bro, they confirmed nothing changed

[sleek glacier]

I try to understand the problem THAT IS THERE.

[lime sigil]

#1377356836264607824 message

[sleek glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-cell-dbz-dragon-ball-z-perfect-cell-gif-26574595

just like this

[tired compass]

Almost any != any

[lime sigil]

The netcode has gotten atrocious compared to last beta

[versed hornet]

@bleak socket https://youtu.be/fZu12SKhoKw?si=3NwrKtb4IznxSWdH&t=447

i pinned the part im talking about

[tired compass]

finally something we agree on

[versed hornet]

true

[lime sigil]

I tested rainbow flick, basically the same animation and duration wise

[versed hornet]

@lime sigil

[sleek glacier]

you saw they said apparently very little has changed since the last beta.

[sleek glacier]

side by side video

and if you still have the old beta to test it, let me see it by spamming the head tap

[tired compass]

🧢

where's the side by side comparison?

[ripe frost]

ball spin on shooting has 100% been nerfed too

[sleek glacier]

keepers have bigger hitbox too

[lime sigil]

Ok what do u wanna know maybe I have recording

[versed hornet]

but the ground dribbling is surely different

look at the video

how fast it was

[tired compass]

really? havent noticed. Maybe because in the first beta i was still testing it out but it seems pretty consistent throughout

[versed hornet]

.

[sleek glacier]

maybe? so you haven't tested anything now?

stop spitting bs then

[tired compass]

side by side rainbow flick on possession change to your side

[sleek glacier]

sorry too aggressive, love you

[lime sigil]

What's on possession

Like they just receive ball or

[tired compass]

YOU just received the ball

[lime sigil]

Ok

[tired compass]

and you rainbow flick to get past an opponent

[lime sigil]

Let me Google how to make a video

I'll post it later

[sleek glacier]

and when you get the ball when almost beind slided in you do the rainbow flick and another rainbow flick

[lime sigil]

Give me 30min

[tired compass]

this to

[tired compass]

@ me when you're done

[ripe frost]

yes, can watch my video for examples from shots from the wing to see how much more spin is on the ball then go try in freeplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWBTOsHFIaA

its like 30% less

[lime sigil]

What's that bro I don't understand

[sleek glacier]

@tired compass can you explain it better for me?

[lime sigil]

Less charged shot has more spin, also depends on how the character shoots idk why it's so wonky in this game

[tired compass]

openent tackles you as soon as you start a rainbow flick

[lime sigil]

But maybe they changed spins idk

[ripe frost]

i know less charged shot has more spin, but its nerfed in soft and hard hitting balls this beta

[sleek glacier]

yeah and then you start another just after the first rainbow flick

[tired compass]

this beta the tackle succeeds, last beta the margin of error was waaay more forgiving*

[sleek glacier]

now is way too much

[lime sigil]

Yea i cant test that bro

That's sth the devs have to say

[brittle hemlock]

Worst is when sliding tackle is done but it still gets you a second after because they didn't get up yet

[lime sigil]

That's invul frames on rainbow flick