The game is completely different now. (And boring)

[amber willow]

or faking a pass as well

[versed hornet]

Não vou mais comprar o jogo por conta dessas alterações

[lost juniper]

Of course, just opinion on macro level strategy/optimization. Couldn't tell you exactly what slider to move.

[sleek glacier]

Compared to the previous version of the game, absolutely yes.

[versed hornet]

Se resolverem eu penso em voltar atrás

Se você acha que não, ou não sabe driblar, ou não jogou a primeira beta

Caparam o jogo

Antes eu driblava 3 caras e tocava a bola pra um companheiro

Agora é uma desgraça completa

O passe vai pra trás

O drible não sai do lugar

[hollow skiff]

Ok now replace this with you tap the ball into the wall and then shoot it

[versed hornet]

If there's someone between you and the wall

[amber bison]

same logic for passing the ball to a teammate, you're gonna shoot the ball against the wall and then pass it?

[hollow skiff]

Your gonna shoot it off the wall as the pass?

Yk the Main mechanic shown

[sleek glacier]

@hollow skiff Everything we say you found an excuse

[hollow skiff]

No

[versed hornet]

Bros trying to defend no sense things

[sleek glacier]

are you rage baiting or something?

[hollow skiff]

Are you?

like you go

[versed hornet]

Fr

[amber bison]

at this point I start to believe it

[hollow skiff]

I think it should be balanced

[versed hornet]

It's not

[amber bison]

shooting the ball against a wall is not the same as faking a shot/pass

[sleek glacier]

You can't say that fake shots are in the game.

[sleek glacier]

Its not, it needs to be. we said it 100 times now.

[versed hornet]

Shoot the wall isnt a thing for faking passing

Or something else

[hollow skiff]

Huh

Wait what

[sleek glacier]

its not fake shot either

[hollow skiff]

You just agreed with me darky

[amber willow]

They serve different purposes stop glazing. I love this game so much too and im having a blast. I literally havent stopped since the beta opened 💀 bit im not riding it. I know it has flaws

[sleek glacier]

its a bait shot

you are actually shooting

not faking a shit

[versed hornet]

YE, BUT YOU SAID THE GAME IS BALANCED

[hollow skiff]

Ok so the same as me shuugo

[versed hornet]

BUT ITS NOT

[hollow skiff]

No I didn’t

[amber willow]

Yeah but the difference is, you're doing tricks on that ting'

and on complete denial of everything negative 💀

[proud escarp]

i swear the dribbling is fine, im still cooking 2/3 players easily and the game feels almost the exactly the same as last beta just with worse matchmaking

[hollow skiff]

I’ve stated my u happiness with the game multiple tiems

I’ve said it’s not a balanced build

??

[sleek glacier]

I agreed that the game need balancing on a 50/50 basis. like, now is not balanced at all is like 20 (Dribbling) / 80 (All the other stuff)

[amber willow]

Has to be rage baiting

[versed hornet]

The tackle should be nerfed too

[sleek glacier]

DAMN YES

those fucking dinosaurs chopping my legs off

every time

[versed hornet]

Because i cant dribble and cant pass

[sleek glacier]

yeah

[proud escarp]

could that just be a skill issue?

[hollow skiff]

Yes

[versed hornet]

And im out od stamina all the time

[amber willow]

That one is indeed skill issue

[versed hornet]

When i say i cant dribble

[sleek glacier]

Could be, but thats not the point

[versed hornet]

Im talking about 2 guys

[sleek glacier]

I can't dribble cause dribble got destroyed entirely

not cause i cant

[hollow skiff]

If you were a gokd dribbler

And drivbling is ass

[amber willow]

I was dribbling inside the GK's for a hot min then eventually screwed up

[sleek glacier]

And I still can dribble, but it's not fun

[proud escarp]

im ngl ive had no issue with the tackles nor dribbling this beta and last, im not saying its perfect but neither feels overwhelming one sided

[hollow skiff]

You’re still a good dribbler at ass drivbling

So you saying

I was a good dribbler trust

Now I can’t dribble

Just says I was not thag good actually

[sleek glacier]

i said i can still dribble, but its not fun anymore

[hollow skiff]

No

[sleek glacier]

what do you mean by no

like read

[amber willow]

on a 2v1 scenario dribbling. If the 1st guy sticks on you like glue you ain't getting away ttbh

[hollow skiff]

You asf

LMAO

[versed hornet]

Actually i can dribble 1 guy and if i dont pass, i cant make anything

[sleek glacier]

.

[proud escarp]

what is it specifically that makes the dribbling so drastically different for you personally? cause for me i dont notice much if any difference?

[hollow skiff]

Ok so you said Bith

[amber willow]

due to stamina. Iirc, dribbling didn't consume stamina

[hollow skiff]

So your uh

Neither then

[sleek glacier]

im what the game want me to be

[versed hornet]

If someone use a tackle i cant do a rainbow because its slow

[amber willow]

I just limit test dribble in quick plays like a madman but in ranked? im dropping that ball as fast as possible

[sleek glacier]

exactly

[versed hornet]

And cant use normal dribble

Because tackle takes the ball away

[sleek glacier]

yeah

[amber bison]

agree, 90% of the times I try to rainbow I get tackled and lose the ball

[amber willow]

Tbh rainbow was also slightly broken when you could spam it

[proud escarp]

u can just combine push ball with dribble to get away from tackles?

[sleek glacier]

perfect, you proved my point

this is unbalanced

[versed hornet]

Now tackle is broken

[sleek glacier]

if the other beta was about dribbling

[hollow skiff]

It’s a bit slower but besides that it’s the same just think smaller window for error

[sleek glacier]

this is about anything else

[amber bison]

It is, I agree with that

[versed hornet]

Even if the opponent is away from me

[amber willow]

tackle as in, slide tackle or just tackle

[hollow skiff]

Tackle was always broken

[versed hornet]

Slide

[hollow skiff]

Hence whh they nerfed it

[amber willow]

Oh slide tackle ain't an issue for me idk, it's easy to predict for me xd

[sleek glacier]

and so they just remove the only thing that countered it

[amber willow]

At least in quick play

[sleek glacier]

lmao

[versed hornet]

Nah

[versed hornet]

I tried many times

[proud escarp]

do they have patch notes that specifically outline any of the changes that people are saying they've changed from last beta?

[amber bison]

I think not

[versed hornet]

Aways they get the ball

Because it has a speed boost

[sleek glacier]

no, but there's nothing to be outlined, animations are missing, stamina is less, and dribbling and movement are slower

i mean, its clear

[versed hornet]

And you stand up with a better position than the ball hogger

[proud escarp]

same, i feel like alot complaints will come just from skill diffs like a good defender should always beat an average dribbler

[versed hornet]

Yeah

[proud escarp]

what animations are missing?

[versed hornet]

People don't want to defend and say "it's broken"

[sleek glacier]

head tap, was broken

got removed

you cant start it at your will

anymore

[hollow skiff]

Head tap was not broken lmao

It was literally just not necessary

[proud escarp]

oh yeah ive noticed that one just never really used it

[hollow skiff]

It served no real point besides looking cool

Yeah

[amber bison]

Yeah, sometimes at the kickoff the person that starts it literally keeps the ball instead of the usual pass towards the back player

[versed hornet]

Nerf dribbling wasnt necessary

And remap the whole game too

[sleek glacier]

exactly

[hollow skiff]

Yes it was

Just not that much

[versed hornet]

No.

[sleek glacier]

skill issue

like you say

[hollow skiff]

No

It was the oppiste AXTUALLY

[sleek glacier]

what? why not

[hollow skiff]

The average new player

[versed hornet]

It's cool when you say it

[sleek glacier]

NAH CLEARLY Skill Issue

[hollow skiff]

Was complaining about drivlling and ball hogging

[sleek glacier]

:/

[hollow skiff]

That’s what deterred people

[sleek glacier]

A good defender can defend a dribbler

[versed hornet]

BALL HOGGING ISNT A POINT

[hollow skiff]

Yes it is what bro

[versed hornet]

PLAY A PRIVATED MATCH

[hollow skiff]

It was a main complaint

It’s a online game

[amber willow]

this is what i do on tackles. I know this guy was a bit far but it's usually how i dodge em.

[hollow skiff]

That is such a nothing point

[versed hornet]

You got bots to play with

[hollow skiff]

Like oh yeah bro just turn the pc off if your getting cyber bullied

[sleek glacier]

oh ok

but i mean what about behind tackles

[versed hornet]

And i meant that kind of situation

[hollow skiff]

Behind tackles

[amber bison]

my matches are fully comitting against one single person, especially so close to the goal

[hollow skiff]

Where you can’t see the person behind you as well?

[versed hornet]

That's it

[amber willow]

sideways dribble, i use minimap

[hollow skiff]

Are hard to avoid

No way

I can never see that being a thing

[sleek glacier]

Bro stop being passive/aggressive

lmao

[amber bison]

minimap exists for a reason

[versed hornet]

Even if i know he's there i cant avoid

[hollow skiff]

Literally

No im just pointing out like

Your saying skill issue to stuff

[amber willow]

mostly in quickplay cause in ranked they are all sergio ramos

[sleek glacier]

You are, i was just acting like you

[versed hornet]

I only play ranked

[hollow skiff]

And then when you give your feedback it’s always centered around yohr experience and it also just becomes

[autumn viper]

I feel the opposite tbh , the game has it’s weight now in a good way in my opinion , you can’t spam rainbow but you can still do the move and it still feels satisfying

[sleek glacier]

lmao

[hollow skiff]

A skill issue from your side

Like bro

Pick one are you bad or good

You said you can’t dribble

And then you could

[amber bison]

feedback is literally based on one's experience on something

[versed hornet]

If you don't like ball hogging take the ball from your teamate

[hollow skiff]

Well yeah but he is giving contradictory points

[sleek glacier]

I can't dribble like i used to

bro

cause dribbling is different now

[edgy hazel]

im ngl

[hollow skiff]

Yeah but if you understood it and were good at it

You would still Yk

[edgy hazel]

dribbling feels so terrible now

[hollow skiff]

Undertabd it

And be gokd at it

[versed hornet]

YEAH

[edgy hazel]

like genuinely bad and not worth to do

[hollow skiff]

It’s not like the drivbling became shit for just Yoh

[edgy hazel]

i dont understand the takes of "well they want you to pass more and not ball hog" so you completely kill dribbling to do that?

[sleek glacier]

dribbling is shit for everyone

[edgy hazel]

"i can dribble just fine this beta must be a skill issue" you doing a tap touch once then passing isnt dribbling.

[versed hornet]

All the matches now are people getting desarmed many times

[sleek glacier]

I've been saying this for 3 hours.

[edgy hazel]

it objectively is worse than what it was

[sleek glacier]

It's a redundant speech

[edgy hazel]

theres a middle ground that can be met

[versed hornet]

Doesn't look like pep guardiola play style

[amber bison]

lmao

[versed hornet]

Looks like a 2nd division game

[hollow skiff]

Yup

[edgy hazel]

whoever made that one comment last night was right on the money, "i used to love the game now i just like it"

it 100% feels like just another game now

which is extremely unfortunate

regardless of what side you fall on

[amber bison]

and not in a good way, of course

[versed hornet]

"not my type"

[amber bison]

Honestly I see no improvement since the past beta

[sleek glacier]

was me

[versed hornet]

Nobody saw

[sleek glacier]

probably

i said something like that

[versed hornet]

@sleek glacier Bro

You can say it

Did you play a ranked match?

[sleek glacier]

ofc

[versed hornet]

Did you see how ugly the matches are now

[sleek glacier]

matches are boring, lagging and is a bunch of the same thing again and again

[versed hornet]

3 people spamming tackle

[versed hornet]

On fields side

Bugging the ball

[sleek glacier]

yeah this is the same thing

[versed hornet]

That's a thing too

I never saw a bug before this beta

[sleek glacier]

yeah game is not enjoyable at the moment, not like it used to be. (FOR ME)

[versed hornet]

This os the first time i'm seeing then

[sleek glacier]

i forgot the "not"

[versed hornet]

Looks worse

[sleek glacier]

mb

[sleek glacier]

way worse

[versed hornet]

The plays i did

I also think they buffed gk

Because of the many quantity of mid field goals

[amber bison]

new forward dive feels... odd

[sleek glacier]

I always wanted to improve, now I'm playing but just to play. What is there to improve if I can't have my style of play

[versed hornet]

If ur teamates bad, there's nothing to play

[sleek glacier]

thanks god i have good people around me. @near spire

[versed hornet]

Just keep losing temper with dumb teammates

[versed hornet]

🙏

[amber bison]

tbh my biggest struggle was to get used to another preset and the game in general again

this is the answer i got today about presets

it didn't answer anything indeed

[sleek glacier]

im not tilting too much, It just annoys me that before the game was a masterpiece and now it's nothing more than another game.

[versed hornet]

They are responding the community with silence

[amber bison]

or insulting, too

[versed hornet]

That's what i think too

[versed hornet]

Fr

[amber bison]

it's disrespecting for your own audience

[versed hornet]

The dynamical feeling

[amber bison]

there's no dynamics at all

[versed hornet]

That you can be a playmaker

Or a dribbler

With the aware of the defenders

Now just evade them

[sleek glacier]

and that's the problem atm

game is static

[versed hornet]

And we only need to find spots to shoot

[sleek glacier]

is a bunch of the same stuff again and again

and before that update it wasn't like that

[versed hornet]

Fr

[sleek glacier]

idk maybe im crazy

[edgy hazel]

pass slide tackle pass slide tackle pass shoot miss pass slide tackle

[sleek glacier]

exactly

[versed hornet]

Im going fall sleep

Good night guys

[sleek glacier]

Good night, lets hope they fix this.

[versed hornet]

I swear they didn't killed rematch

[versed hornet]

🙌

[sleek glacier]

i need to sleep too.

[edgy hazel]

i have faith

let them cook

[versed hornet]

Idk

[sleek glacier]

you described my games perfectly.

[versed hornet]

Some times slide

And sometimes tackle

🔥 🔥

[sleek glacier]

sometimes goals and sometimes misses

but that the only difference i noticed lol

😴

[bleak geode]

If you're having a hard time with the game try different positions like midfield or centerback, made the game so much more engaging for me

[severe geyser]

So I've finally read through a large portion of this thread and holly heck I can't agree more with the game speed. I feel very sluggish in all aspects even outside of dribbling. With being slower it makes stamina management more difficult which is more of another facet of skill to deal with which is mostly fine. However I personally think the main things people are bringing up is that slowing the players down helps to prevent Main character syndrome and ball hogging. Something to consider is that at the start of any games life cycle offensive skill in players increases much faster than the ability to defend those players. So the reason so many people felt the "Man why does this guy always think he is the MC" in games was more than likely that play style was being rewarded by poor defenders or a lack of understanding how to deal with certain mechanics. SO in my view this problem would largely become a moot point not long into the games life. If we view this through the lens of RL there are always the players that want to be the next Squishy or Zen with perfect ball control hitting crazy shots and just ball chasing to get as many chances as they can. This was a large point of pain for the community early on however as people learned to deal with this players that pain and frustration was not as wide spread nor as intense. While yes it is still a problem to some extent there is not a direct way to get rid of this mentality entirely all you can do as a player is work around them and accept that you can't win every game in a team based game no matter what you do. I would be very interested to see stats on what aspect of the previous betas people found the most alluring. Furthering the idea is that people wanted a bigger emphasis on positional awareness and grounded team play, I feel that the previous version of the game already encouraged these ideas heavily. These things are what I would call fundamentals of the game IE how you win the most consistently. Previously I would have included dribbling in this list, now not so much.

Something that I found amazing about the previous iteration was that the game was able to be incredibly dynamic with positions because of the speed of the players making a flip from defense to offence was very fluid and easy to manage now it feels like its being punished because you can not get into position fast enough.

I know that people found Rainbow flicks to be a bit hard to deal with so in response the player in possession of the ball can now not interact with the ball for a very long time where as a defender can simply mash almost any button to magnet the ball and swipe it out from over your head. While this could potentially be fine if they had another use case that was prevalent IE avoiding slide tackles then it would be fine. However at current with the state of the servers it has felt impossible for me to make this happen. I feel heavily pushed to simply push ball on ground and take a fast pass rather than making any kind of breakaway or attempt at passing a defender in front of me. I really hope that this beta has missed a mark somewhere and that this is not the ultimately desired direction of the game. I truly loved the last beta truly truly loved.... this one had me playing other games inside of 4 hours.

My main problem with all of this game feel difference is the collapsing of skill differentials in lobbies. Where as before there was a large amount of space for individual skill to shine in moments and swing the momentum of a play or even a whole game. With the new state of the game making it pass a defender or a goalie in a 1v1 feels more like they messed up rather than I did something good enough to get past them. With this version of the game I'm feeling more and more at the mercy of my team on weather I win or loose and for me this is the fastest way to kill a game. I truly hope the devs take this feedback to heart but if this version leads to a larger playerbase then so be it.

[river trail]

I don't know how they are planning a solid full release but this aint boding well for the due date. They need to postpone it and give us more betas.

[hot crest]

As someone with 84 hours between the tests, I agree that the game feels completely different. It is not nearly as enjoyable as it was in the last tests. I definitely agree that the changes made to the dribbling are not very enjoyable at all. It feels like I have very few options in 1v1's.

[river trail]

It looks like for once we all agree on something in this chat haha

[hot crest]

Yeah I will be entirely honest, I don't really like looking at changes made or anything, I go off of feel. The things that feel very different are the dribbling, how your character receives the ball, the overall amount of stamina you have feels lower or it goes down faster, the short lob pass animation is entirely different, and the physics of the ball on the ground feel like it drags more so it rolls not quite as far. I also feel like the curve you can put on shots seems somewhat smaller and for some reason the passing feels better. All of those are feel based so some might not have been changed at all and just feel different combined with other things.

[raw wraith]

man its sad to see peole completely missing the point of the complaints and just hard locking on "dribbling bad, oh he is just complaining that he cant solo god" No, you don't understand, dribbling bad affects many more people than just those solo dribble gods. I am not a solo player, I am a tactical player, I come from rocket league where my mechanics are dog but I could still hang in high level lobbies way above my mech level simply because I would outplay people with simple tactics/counters. The reason I loved this game so much before as because it FELT good, everything felt smooth, everything made sense. I could FEEL the potential there, I could SEE the potential. This beta has completely changed that feeling. Seems like a lot of people just aren't that sensitive to those details I guess, or maybe a lot of my issues are just lag and desync that a lot of people aren't experiencing 🤷

edit: alright glad to see a lot of support recently, this reply was to a section of push-back further up in the post from yesterday.

The other thing is, this is 4v4/5v5 not 11v11 standard rules. If I've got 3 apes running me down why the tf shouldn't I be able to outplay them and leave them in the dust AND THEN pass to my teammate who is upfield? Why TF should I pass earlier and give them that time to turn back? Why TF? It's so braindead now, just pass instantly. Why??? Where did the punishes go? Boring playstyle. (Once again, I am not a solo god, but given the opportunity I would use mechanics to outplay players making terrible decisions)

and when I say leave them in the dust, please don't just presume something, I strictly mean leave them BEHIND the play and in a worse position, I would most definitely pass the ball upfield to my teammates. And ye I could just pass early, but that's boring, slow and predictable. Removes all creativity. Go play fifa kinda thing yk? I loved this game, I do not and will not ever play football games (fifa etc) simply because that type of pace and style doesn't interest me. I liked the individualistic control this game had before. Now it's trying too hard to be fifa or standard football and it's not it (for me anyway)

game is just boring now.

[long moss]

I am in a similar spot, I often play defence and I love crossing the ball into the box and not having the ability to create space by dribbling past someone 1v1 consistently has hindered me a lot, like you said dribbling does not equal 1v5, solo god, every time

[raw wraith]

exactly its just a tackle shit show. perfect ape gameplay. Pressure, pass, tackle, repeat. boring af

I used to love watching my teammates outplay ape after ape. Most of the time I WAS the ape because I didn't understand the mechanics OR football properly yet. I had a lot of concepts from rocket league but I needed time to adjust. The point is I could see where I was going wrong making poor decisions based on the mechanics available and I saw opportunities to counter that dribble god. Now it feels like the game just absolutely shit on the dribble gods and in turn ruined a lot of the prior game feel which affected other play styles too.

[raw wraith]

100% agree. It's like they tried to make the game feel more like standard football with more tactics and less individual importance and in doing so just crushed the vibe it had 🤷 A lot of us rocket league players aren't massive football fans. We appreciate the skill but overall it's not the type of flow we like to "play". I'm sure there is a lot of us that were ready to dump rocket league which just seems to be abandoned now basically and commit to this game.

[broken musk]

Don't forget the horrendous sprint and stamina changes too guys
Now pushing the ball cost stamina, simply moving with the ball is punishing

[hot crest]

Ah so I wasn't crazy that stamina felt so much lower

[broken musk]

Before pushing the ball would let you regain stamina between the command and the completion of the pushing animation
Now it doesn't let you regain stamina, nor does it pause it, it COSTS you stamina
So when you sprint with the ball, you lose stamina by sprinting AND more stamina when pushing the ball

That's why you'll feel like playing a character with asthma so many times compared to first beta

[raw wraith]

this exactly. I was the playmaker not the dribbler. But I used and enjoyed the dribble mechanics all the same and I enjoyed watching my dribble god tm8s punishing apes. I would gladly feed outplays to a dribble god on my team (if they were actually good) and that was where a lot of the beauty was. A lot of playstyles just seemed to mesh so well.

[broken musk]

For me, I love creating space with a dribbles (sometimes into double-sprint) to then give a pass to my teammates after forcing a defender to move
But now dribbling and sprinting are too slow to create space as efficiently as before
Teamplay needs to stay a must, but these nerfs weren't needed

[versed hornet]

Nerf the community ISNT the solution of ball hogging

[versed hornet]

It was also better to pass for your teammate

I used to act like tony kroos

And say like "through pass"

[versed hornet]

But now i cant

because they are slower than me in real life

[raw wraith]

yup :/

[versed hornet]

Now i need to hear Argentina players calling me monkey

[versed hornet]

Because i cant dribble

But i still trying

Because the part that i liked was that

Dribble then passing

Not passing

[raw wraith]

ye.. and it wasn't even difficult to pass before!! I Was easily passing when I was getting pressed, IF I SAW A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR IT... now its just, well I gotta get rid of the ball. zzzzzzzzzzzzz

its literally an ape fest in the lower ranks rn, slide tackle frenzy worse than last beta

[versed hornet]

There is huge gap with Brazil and Argentina

But we use the same server

[long moss]

I am glad I found people play a similar style to me because it could very easily turn into a debate of the two extremes, "only dribblers" and "only passers" which in my experience is so far from the way I and even my friends play the game.

[versed hornet]

So looks like an el clasico against your own team

[versed hornet]

If your team sucks, you need to find out another way to win

[raw wraith]

yep, I'm neither. Im the opportunist. I prefer to adapt mid game and spot potentials, none of this pass fast keep the ball cycling crap. If its necessary sure, but otherwise I'm just as happy to outplay in other ways. The main goal for me is to get my goal scorers or mid players the ball in the best positions

ye also true and if that's the case (although i much prefer to be a defender so I am confident nobody is leaving last man unmarked) then I adapt and push up

[versed hornet]

I didnt ball hog, but now im trying to

Because i want to learn again

How can i dribble

[versed hornet]

And guess what

I still don't know

Ranked matches looks like an UFC match

[raw wraith]

honestly idk what im doing anymore, i get the ball and immediately ive got 3 apes on me and I cant even make space to pass it now so normally i just get rid of the ball as soon as I can lmao. No room for anything interesting.

[long moss]

I meant more in the context of the changes to dribbling etc, I win games fine but yes, I get you 🙂

[versed hornet]

Win games isnt the problem

[long moss]

It is just how fast can you get it up the pitch isn't it lol

[raw wraith]

yep

[versed hornet]

The variety of gameplay is lower than before

[long moss]

Yea I agree 🙂

[versed hornet]

Average rematch experience

[sleek glacier]

thanks for the summary

[raw wraith]

ngl had some really good games today, when the entire team is actually playing football this new system does work well. Still preferred the old mechanics BUT im easing into the new system better than I expected. Fully dependent on solid tm8s tho. The game is tough rn lol

some games still turn into tackle fests though but could just be bcz im still low ranked

[clever kiln]

Just as a bit of a response to people saying it helps ball hogging, it doesn't.

It just means I get to watch my teammates run face first into opponents and lose the ball more often than before.

Losing the ball doesn't cause them to consider to pass, they don't have the brain capacity.

[hot crest]

Even when playing in organized play with teammates I trust I honestly just don't enjoy the feel of the game as it is right now. Imo, the game at the top level already heavily rewarded passing and defending was extremely doable even against the best dribblers, which would have gradually shifted down ranks as time went on. Now, you just can't do anything to dribble around. I don't really watch football, but I imagine it has a lot more solo 1v1 plays than this no?

[sleek glacier]

there were two of my messages that talked about this thing in a very surgical way. now if I find them, I'll resend them

I think the problem is that they lowered the skill ceiling now compared to the previous version. Before, there was real room for skill expression in solo queue—mainly through smart movement, dribbling under pressure, creative wall plays, and using the map to your advantage.

Now that dribbling feels slower and easier to punish, that space for solo outplays kinda vanished. And you're right—shooting by itself isn't deep enough to carry the skill expression. That’s why so many of us are frustrated: it feels like the game lost a layer of depth it used to have.

just to clarify, when I talked about the skill ceiling, I didn’t mean it in the sense of just pulling off flashy plays 24/7. What I meant is: players who constantly go for insane skills will eventually hit a wall. They’ll realize that playing smart—like knowing when to pass—is what actually works.

A great example is the fake shot off the wall. In the last beta, it worked every time because goalies dove blindly. Now? It’s less effective—people are adapting. That is skill expression to me: figuring things out, learning what works, and evolving your style.

So the game should allow space for that growth, not shut it down by limiting movement or killing dribbles.

I totally understand why some people get frustrated with players who just go for skill after skill, playing solo and losing the ball. It makes sense—it can be annoying.

But the thing is, those players didn’t even get the chance to realize that that’s not how the game is meant to be played. Removing the ability to dribble properly just punishes everyone, including those who did figure it out—who understood that you need to pass, that you need teamwork, that it’s about having fun together.

Teamplay is 100% important. But we also need those little moments of individual brilliance. Because let’s be real—some people do want to be better than the others. And that’s the beauty of a competitive game, right?

here they are

[echo storm]

hot take but if you were playing like the absolute best at all times and doing always the right play you wouldnt need to dribble

[raw wraith]

After several games it might be a huge part of my problems are a lot of desync too. Last game I just had was absolute chaos and mayhem. Nothing made sense, no touches connected as you'd expect, tackles connecting on dribbles that shouldn't etc.

[echo storm]

the dribble is a tool to chaange your position and been in the optimal place

[raw wraith]

which becomes even more apparent when all the movement got nerfed so ur constantly being pressured so a lot more chances for desync to happen between players

[echo storm]

for me now the dribble is the tool you need to repositioning and not spaming it

[raw wraith]

i understand you, maybe its different in higher rank lobbies

im stuck in a shit show at lower ranks bcz im not that great at football but understand the concepts from other games.

[echo storm]

i see it like in rocket league, you dont need to dribble in the air if you are in the correct position

[raw wraith]

but the dribble in the air is the correct play to make if there are defenders back and u are being pushed

[echo storm]

just like in rematch, if you go to the correct place and do the good options you have to do, you dont needd to dribble

[raw wraith]

and much harder to defend against

[echo storm]

true, but int he optimal play you dont needd to do it

it true that you wont be always in the optimal play

[raw wraith]

ye

[echo storm]

but i dont think is that such of an issue to be disscusing about if the dribble is so slaggish as the people say

mabye im wrong, but thats how i see it

[raw wraith]

idk man, I enjoy the game, I was pissed ystd and I think a lot of my issues might be the desync but at the same time I do feel a big difference in how the game feels overall (game flow etc). I think there is a portion of the playerbase here that really enjoy the tactical side of football with lots of intricate game plans passing plays pulling opps from their positions like a chess game, but there was also a portion of the playerbase that enjoyed the fast paced dribbling too. Tough spot i guess

[echo storm]

for me the changes they made allow you to be more tactical and chain more passes that is a playstyle i like

[raw wraith]

if they can fix the desync issues (maybe its just my connection and in that case rip for me lol) then I can probably adapt *and still enjoy it though

[echo storm]

yeah, i think so, becasue sometimes you have to be slow because of the connection and some issues that you cant control

[raw wraith]

i dont see that many ppl mentioning desync though just a handful so that really might just be ppl with bad connections :/

loads of times I've made touches that should have been mine or saves on goal line that were definite saves but still go in etc. It's super frustrating

[sleek glacier]

yes exactly, the feel of the game is different. As I said: "I used to love this game but now it's just another game."

[broken musk]

The desync is horrendous but I assume that is something that will be worked on because it literally can't stay like this, so personnally i didn't bother mentioning it in my feedbacks

[sleek glacier]

don't worry, desync is there. people don't talk about it because it's a beta and there's hope that everything will be fixed. The most focused points are dribbling, keybinds presets and ping problems

[clever kiln]

Maybe I'm not getting what you're putting down, but isn't this a bit like saying you don't need to tackle because optimally you shouldn't lose the ball?

[clever kiln]

I think it's just overloading servers. Ping is questionable on servers even close to me, but I can see there isn't any packet loss. The desync seems to hit all at once as well.

Like everything is fine, then suddenly the ball is on the other side of the pitch and everyone has changed positions and don't know where they are lol

[urban lotus]

I dont think its overloaded servers...i think its the game

[broken musk]

Yeah but it's weird that it is worst than last beta, I thought it would be better

[clever kiln]

It wasn't present in last beta, yeah.

[broken musk]

In first beta it was laggy, but not unpredictable with random teleportations everywhere like rn

[urban lotus]

They need to email Embark and ask them how to get smooth as silk servers

[echo storm]

its not the same finding open teammates and been doing good passes that not having the control of the ball at all times because of the nature of the game, think that if your teammates have good communication and coordination, they will be always be options to pass the ball and allow play that doesnt need to dribble, in the other hand you will need to tackle because and some point you will lose the ball eventually, sometime because you shoot and the keeper have block it or you have score a goal

[clever kiln]

I still get put in US-East servers sometimes, the usual bag ping situations there and obviously won't go away, but the teleporting and stuff is different and seems to happen to mosst games regardless of where it's hosted.

[raw wraith]

yep, if they fix the desync i will think about adapting but thats just because I'm a tactical player anyway, was in rocket league too. Feel bad for all the mechy players here that are getting shafted. I had no problems with the dribble mains before and enjoyed making space and plays for them tbh :/. Didn't mind getting out mech'd by them either, just made me excited to learn how to counter it. Dunno how it evolved at the higher ranks maybe it was cancer idk 🤷

[clever kiln]

Part of it is inevitable. If it was already this way before, and it changed to the way it was previously then you'd have people asking for this back too.

That's not really anybodys fault, it's just that people grew to enjoy whatever came first and now it's kinda pushing against why they stuck around.

[raw wraith]

that happens to me sometimes but its the continous slight desyncs occuring during important moments that just don't make sense and leave you confused as to what did you do wrong or what did they do right. Can't adapt to that, cant improve when you don't know what went wrong

[urban lotus]

A game about timing your inputs top of the list is to have smooth servers or the game is unplayable

[raw wraith]

glad its not just me with the desyncs. Feel a lot more confident in that being addressed 👍

My ping is same as last time too, so i feel like it's something a bit more serious than just server load though. Hopefully it's not too difficult to pinpoint and adjust :/

[urban lotus]

Its the game, which is a big worry for me.

[sleek glacier]

same here

[pallid orchid]

best feedback ever in 3th beta

[sleek glacier]

ty

I've been in queue for 7 minutes now

crazy ngl

[opaque fern]

Game is just not that fun anymore...

[versed hornet]

Even low ranks wherer better to play with before

The passing was better

[lime sigil]

Don't agree tbh - i have no problems dribbling. I win 1v2 most of the times and get a good cross in.

What I really hate is, that tackling and slide tackling is too strong. It should leave u at a disadvantage if you miss the tackle and give more advantage on hit, BUT the slide tackle is too active, you get hit even after outplaying it, and the standing tackle is too spammable. These are the only things i agree with, but this is more an issue how OP tackles are right now, not dribbling imo.

[sonic steeple]

About the dribbling, yeah it's a bit slower, the animation takes way too long when someone tackles you and you'll loose the ball most of the times, but i've also seen people adapting with the push control where it's alot faster than actually dribbling and people are adapting to use it alot more often in 1v1s.

Don't know if someone already adressed it in this thread but what I mostly dislike is the GK hitbox, as it is just too big and in most circumstances the keeper will get the ball even if the dive was in a different direction of the shot.

[ornate harness]

Game is great. Just learn to play it

[versed hornet]

I like the because of it was

Not because it is

[sonic steeple]

não percebi lol

[ornate harness]

Just learn to use the tap key, it's a very useful button for dribbling

[ornate harness]

I find it really fun

[sonic steeple]

Yeah what people are saying is in the previous beta you didn't need it that much but in this one it's almost mandatory

[ornate harness]

that's a good thing i think

But you can also still use rainbow flick and stuff, it definetly works. Just requires better timing and anticipation

If you use the same skill all the time you'll be too predictable

[sonic steeple]

It works mostly when the opponent is coming behind you, if he's in front of you the animation won't go off in time to actually pass the defender

[ornate harness]

true i think, yet i rarely used it in front so far so i can't tell

It's true predictable

Even in last beta, people barely could pass me like that

I just waited for the trick then tackled

[vapid wind]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266624653405978667/1352432603529216100/togif-3.gif

[knotty wind]

It's totally boring, my whole team is considering stop playing because we got already bored, last beta was so exciting to play

• all the glitches totally fun killer

[opaque fern]

Same. We planned to play it all 3 days straight now we literally quit already.

[knotty wind]

We literally drop a day off work to play rematch, we totally regret it

[ornate harness]

Well it's not the case for my team so anyway its subjective. The game is very teamplay oriented, that's how you get the most fun out of it

Obviously, they need to fix the ball desyncs, the crashes etc..

Crashes atm is what ruins everywhere. You can't have a proper 5v5 ranked match

[knotty wind]

It's not teamplay oriented, once you get the ball on your feet you just need to start praying that you don't get clamped

Before was teamplay oriented, now its just slow.

[ornate harness]

I don't have this issue wdym

[knotty wind]

Idk if all of you are godlike players, but us in dia 3 is so boring

[ornate harness]

I guess you just have to anticipate more, work on positioning , vision etc

[knotty wind]

That's how football should be played, not rematch.

I do not want a fifa wannabe

[opaque fern]

Nice said

[knotty wind]

It's not Pro Team

Its rematch

[ornate harness]

Its still very arcade though

but still soccer too. That's the choice of devs design for the game. They've always said they wanted competitive game where teamplay is rule n°1

And personally i'm 100% with it

[knotty wind]

Sure, the game must be team oriented, which was. But before you could express yourself as player more than now, now you are just a pinball wall

[ornate harness]

It have lot of esport potential

[knotty wind]

No, with current state esport will be really boring to watch, old beta tournaments were astonishing

[ornate harness]

Tbf you can still enjoy some dribbling here and there, they requires just more comitment and are more risked. You can't just spam them all the time

[knotty wind]

Even before vs a nice team you could not spam, but you had freedom of movement

As I said, now seems like players are just pinball bouncers, stay still and pass around

Once you could do insane stuff redirecting the balls on walls during dribbling and be creative to setup your friends, now if you try to do the same you literally pass the ball to the opponent

[ornate harness]

i mean why does slow means not fun ?

Why would we need it to be fast

[knotty wind]

Slow != fun

not because of being slow, but because of being stiff.

[ornate harness]

and its not thaat slow

imo

[knotty wind]

I mean, slow it's not the right term, I'm more oriented about fluidity and reaction times

The player is not anymore kinda super human (which should be since we literally fly to shoot), seems an old man carrying a bag of groceries

[brittle hemlock]

So you can dribble past 1-2 people and then you are out of stamina and can't capitalize on it

[knotty wind]

which is okay, is not okay that if you are surrounded by 3 players you are screwed in this beta

3 (good) players

[ornate harness]

idk I think it should be either close to real football flow, or 100% arcade and in that case, you should have power ups and stuff, but I don't think the in-between is a good thing it's like it the game didn't know what to be

[knotty wind]

tbh I want where they received the feedback that the game should be like is it now. Everyone was in love last beta, now I see only complains

[ornate harness]

Like initially when I heard about that game i thought it was gonna have really high kicks, lot of wall tricks etc.. but since first beta it's never been that but rather closer to actual real soccer teamplay

[brittle hemlock]

Yeah only gameplay complaints in the last beta were GK is too strong/too weak and wall bounce is too strong/too weak

[knotty wind]

It was a nice mix in the first beta, now it's 85% real footbal with very little springle of arcade... which then meh, play fifa

[brittle hemlock]

And some rainbow flick spam but that was because you could chain it with headers

Literally no one who played previous beta said the game was too fast

[knotty wind]

We have fifa for purists, and volta football of fifa (see fifa street) if you want solo play.
Rematch was perfect fitting right in between

[ornate harness]

nah

its not the same at all than fifa or whatever

[knotty wind]

have you ever played old fifa streets?

if not, then you will never see why rematch falls in between

[ornate harness]

The simple fact that you have an enforce 3rd person view changes everything

[knotty wind]

I'm totally okay, again, to restrict how much a player can "solo" play, do whatever mechanic to stop that (like not being able to do no more than 2 headers after rainbow flick, or other kind of stuff).
Do not restrict the player creativity on the field. It's an arcade game, not a simulator, let the field be a playground for EACH single team member so that more stuff happens.

[ornate harness]

and the fact that there are no stats. Every player is equal

So the game requires you to also learn the non individual and technical soccer skills which I find very cool. Yet like I said you can defintely still dribble if you'd like

[knotty wind]

we have goddamn walls surrounding ALL the field, now you can't use the left and right wall to do ANYTHING or you'll lose the ball

[brittle hemlock]

You can dribble but there is no reward for it anymore. You just end up passing right after anyway since you are drained

[ornate harness]

tbh even in previous beta I barely saw people using those walls on the side. Most use it above the goal

[knotty wind]

You can do tons of unexpected plays on side walls

[brittle hemlock]

You can't even dribble down the wing to cross properly anymore (against good players)

[knotty wind]

Now you can't, you run out of stamina if you try to dribble like that

[jaunty narwhal]

Disagree with this entire post, i feel like people are jsut used to "egoing" too much. Game now allows for more creative passes

[ornate harness]

I will try in next games because I haven't tried it

maybe its more useful in 3v3 an d 4v4 too. 5v5 is bigger field so its more for teamplay

[brittle hemlock]

Passing is the only way to play now and that's just boring

[knotty wind]

I can still put off high pass on the wall to simulate "rainbow flick", but that's just it

Again, in a premade team, be able to dribble 1, 2, 3 people DO NOT means that this player will end up going to score, but rather let the field BE CLEAR to your friends to score.

[jaunty narwhal]

No its not, i still see plenty of dribbling

[brittle hemlock]

But there is no point doing it. It wins you like no space

[knotty wind]

I do not see any, if I see dribbling is either desynced or just "move left and then right"

[ornate harness]

so maybe they should increase the stam a little bit

I would agree that it depletes maybe too quickly now indeed

[knotty wind]

I think, imho, they should bring back the same exact old beta mechanics and tune down or nerf (NOT REMOVE) some of it.

[ornate harness]

I'm gonna play some 3v3 to see

haven't even tried it once xd

[knotty wind]

I still have the old game, you can literally compare how bad it is now compared to before

[south drum]

I mean while i can still get some crazy dribbling plays on the fact that my character has to slowly run up to the ball and then do something with it is really annoying so i agree

[knotty wind]

It's not brain fog

[jaunty narwhal]

i think its vastly preferrably to previous rainblowflic-spamming

[knotty wind]

Dribbling was not only rainbow flicking, also stretching the ball was faster, smoother and easier to control

[jaunty narwhal]

i know

[knotty wind]

Or changing directions, that's why I'm leveraging old mechanics but tune them down.

[jaunty narwhal]

but in previous tests the former was spammed far more

[ornate harness]

I've just managed to pass through a winger then cross using a sudden acceleration

[knotty wind]

Just tune it down, make some kind of "fatigue" system

[ornate harness]

I could stream the game if you want

get your opinion

[knotty wind]

...then cross, that's your only option btw. the issue is that

[ornate harness]

No i had time and space to run down the wing still

[knotty wind]

you don't have any time to for example, shoot the ball to the front wall because the animation is too slow that the opponent will catch up

[ornate harness]

or i could have hold the ball too

but cross was better option at that time

[knotty wind]

you started full stamina doing that, I imagine

[ornate harness]

Yeah probably so that's about stam managemenet

Always keep an eye on it, try to not use it when not necessary etc

Its here for a reason

[knotty wind]

ofc, again the discussion is about opportunities completely removed from the game.
if the dev team want a slower game, tune down the old one

rn is either completely removed, or so nerfed that you don't even consider it anymore

opinion from someone who played TONS of hours, only with a group of 5 friends.
I don't even know how matchmaking is.

[sleek glacier]

Finally someone who says it.

[ornate harness]

It's not a true statement saying it's completely removed though

[knotty wind]

Juggling is completely removed

For no reason.

Do not bring the “spam” stuff, make it that each single juggle drains tons of stamina

[ornate harness]

No its not I see people using it, and me included

just not as often than before true

[knotty wind]

No no, is completely removed, I can show you the old beta. (Game still on the hard drive for offline use)

[ornate harness]

Come on my stream I can show you rainbow flicks if you want

I can't promise I will success most of them because Im not that great dribbler but I can

[river trail]

That best way to describe it honestly. A pinball game!

[river trail]

I have and know exactly what you mean

[magic swift]

Agree, its insane how much it HAS to be a pinball game to because the amount of people i see try to take control of the ball and get tackled or something is insane, its a constant back and forth for a fake sense of control unlike before, if youre bad youre getting your ankles took and now your team is 1 man down to defend. Game's in a weird spot rn for sure

[knotty wind]

That was an issue even on fifa pro team, you'll always find those players even if remove completely the opportunity to move.

[river trail]

It didn’t feel rewarding at all, even my good team who had phenomenal game sense and knew when to dribble and pass still got punished for it in the sense that they felt restricted and ran over by copious amounts of tackling legs

[jaunty narwhal]

i think its good that they experience with the pace of the game to try and find the right balance

[river trail]

Fake sense of control is right, instead of improving and adding on the second beta they excluded and restricted.

[magic swift]

true but when you make it so players can express their skill in cool ways people will know right away "im in a lobby with amazing ppl i need to get better" it will be so obvious and match making will be easy. Start making it team play the requirement to compete and real skill gets lost

[brittle hemlock]

I'm fine with current rainbow flick but I really want more stamina

[river trail]

How bad was the servers for yall?

[jaunty narwhal]

I think current stamina is better than previous but juggling should get added back

[magic swift]

yea I noticed that in the last beta I loved watching sometimes, like i didnt mine being goalie or playing on our side to recieve an attack. Sometimes other amazing players would put on a show and i was satisfied. NO ONE CAN ARGUE it looks like a circus rn, like literal children playing football

[brittle hemlock]

Almost double the ping than other betas

[magic swift]

Yes but everyone fell in love with the pacing of the old one, who are they changing it for?

[magic swift]

This game was building INSANE momentum, the hype is crazy literally whats the motive

[jaunty narwhal]

The game is not even released yet, i dont think its fair to say that just because the game was insanely well received, that it makes the pacing perfect

[river trail]

Dawg I love how we are all agreeing on something hahah. This beta brought us all together, this shit no joke is extremely disappointing for a beta.

[brittle hemlock]

This reminds me of PoE2. Everyone liked it but then devs out of nowhere made everything slog and now everyone hates it. Devs just have bad vision for the game sometimes

[magic swift]

I think its 100% fair, isnt that the point. I never heard a complaint about the pacing, everyone i know who played it or saw others played it was in love

[magic swift]

of course its just crazy common sense cant be common you know?

[brittle hemlock]

I wish we could go back to arguing about if GK is too weak or too strong and nonsense like that

[river trail]

Even on NA the ball was literally flying raijin in my net.

[magic swift]

maybe rainbowflick juggling across the field was a bit much. not even saying its strong, it just forces everyone to watch you act like a monkey for acouple seconds theres no point in having that

[ornate harness]

everyone is an overstatement. You know that people who talk the most are those who are unhappy. Only a poll or something could give us an answer to that.

[river trail]

My question is, how the hell are they going to prepare this game for full release in 3 weeks in this abysmal state?

[brittle hemlock]

Now we have 100k players on steam, release might even have 300k. Good luck with the servers

[ornate harness]

Yeah if they do not fix the crashes and bugs until the end of this beta they have to do another beta and maybe postpone the game

[pulsar moat]

This post is spitting 📠, the game feels dramatically worse than last beta. So many more goals per game last beta. Much more fast paced, responsive, expressive with skill.

Now it's sluggish, laggy, boring.

[magic swift]

overstatement? so you didnt like it? did you know anyonw who had complaints?

[river trail]

That would be the best move for them regardless of if they fix the servers or not. We need more betas and more feedback.

[knotty wind]

the rubber banding we have in this beta is CRAZY, old one was not perfect but surely not in this state.
player numbers are not that different though

how you can regress so much in a month?

[river trail]

Someone should make a post and say “DO NOT RELEASE… NOOOOO!”

[jaunty narwhal]

i think its a bad way to look at games. Keep in mind how early of a stage the game is in. Just because people loved the beta doesnt that mean there cant be changes that are healthy for the game longterm.

[ornate harness]

Sorry I didn'"t read well. Yes I liked it

[jaunty narwhal]

people complained about the keeper getting bumrushed, people complained about rainbow-flicks, just last beta.

[river trail]

I heard the Fortnite beta was in a similar state when it first came out. And now look at it!

[next anchor]

man i just want to use the old keybinds 😭

[knotty wind]

I'm so disappointed, angry and sad that a truly talented game studio was pulling off so good and they are throwing so hard rn.
Semi-confident that they'll figure it out

[jaunty narwhal]

its a bit silly to act like the pace of the game rn is SO bad that its not fun to play (its really fun to play?)

[jaunty narwhal]

Like this attitude is way too dramatic

its ONE beta patch

do you think especially with all the feedback that theyll never touch the game again

[knotty wind]

I'm a software developer myself and regressing so much is not a good sign

[jaunty narwhal]

Ofcourse they will - but devs sometimes have to make decisions that dont please everyone

[pulsar moat]

Yes. Because most developers ignore feedback and double down on bad choices.

[magic swift]

yes but you cant be arguing for changes to be made regardless of how the game is being recieved, you followed this point with "ppl complained about gk bumrushing and rflk spamming" but those are simple easy fixes, whats the need for such drastic change

[jaunty narwhal]

hahahaha

[river trail]

I agree but it’s natural to feel a decline in confidence from a beta that regressed from a previous version that was supposed to be the stepping stone.

[jaunty narwhal]

Speaking like a true game dev

[knotty wind]

?

[magic swift]

I noticed that in the last beta I loved watching sometimes, like i didnt mine being goalie or playing on our side to recieve an attack. Sometimes other amazing players would put on a show and i was satisfied. NO ONE CAN ARGUE it looks like a circus rn, like literal children playing football

[jaunty narwhal]

Not every version of a product is going to the best version of it - striking the balance is what the balance teams do

[magic swift]

I think its no question how bad it is rn

[knotty wind]

I think you have no idea what you are talking about

[jaunty narwhal]

i think you dont

[river trail]

Dawg no joke I felt bored being Goal keeper after 5 minutes but before it was like I wanted to be a keeper even though Im a striker

[jaunty narwhal]

is it? aside from these little discord threads i see few complaints

[knotty wind]

So tell me how you go from the old state to this one

[pulsar moat]

Why do goalkeepers seem so much better this beta? Like it was difficult to be a goalkeeper last patch, yet now everyone is Lev Yashin.

There's no skill in it. I can't tell if it's desync and bad lag or they buffed them somehow?

[knotty wind]

I do think it's caused by the rubber banding and desync

[magic swift]

I guess i can clarify imean people who tried the old beta but i think its for the betterment of everyone who plays I'll give you all a BEAUTIFUL example, a perfect one

[river trail]

In fact it was so boring that I left the Goal and my team was shocked haha.

[brittle hemlock]

This is the right play since GK is the only one that has stamina to do anything

[pulsar moat]

I was actually pressured last patch as a keeper. I got to see a lot of the ball. Now the ball just stays in the middle of the pitch as everyone slides eachother over and over.

[brittle hemlock]

This is so true

[pulsar moat]

Goalkeeper was so fun to play last patch. As much as any other position on the pitch. Now it's just so boring. I truly hope the Devs listen to the feedback, because whatever they've changed since last patch has unfortunately not worked.

Gone from a day one purchase to a "possibly never if it's not fixed".

[knotty wind]

I'm gonna still buy it on day one, for sure not special edition. If in the first 2 matches is in a bad state is an instant refund

[magic swift]

I played The Finals beta alot and i fell in love with the game. I thought it was gonna blow and stay around, and the game dropped. They literally slowed the game down so much, it was like moving in mud. I absolutly despised it never gave it more than 30 mins when it dropped and its basically dead now. It wasnt fun for long even for those who didnt know what the beta was like, but a better vision existed and it could be alive and thriving right now. Whole aspects of the game were gone, you cant jump from one roof to another, thats a pretty major option just removed.

[knotty wind]

Same sentiment with The Finals

[pulsar moat]

That's fair. Completely fair. Sad to see games go this way though when they ooze potential.

Netcode wasn't amazing last patch either but somehow it's gone backwards instead of forwards.

[knotty wind]

Last patch the community was not that angry, there's a reason for that

[magic swift]

If you know, you know. It's feeling the same and it sucks

[brittle hemlock]

Community was excited the last patch because core gameplay was so fun

[magic swift]

I preordered and they have by the end of this beta or its a refund

they need to do something, even addressing it would save me abit

[pulsar moat]

The gameplay of last beta was like crack. I was addicted.

[magic swift]

bro Lunnard would say this is dramatic but bro

[barren lava]

this should really be taken to general channels cause the mods prob read this like once a day

[magic swift]

I feel this on so many levels bro bro

[knotty wind]

Me and my friends used to have neither the time nor the energy to connect after work and play games in the evenings because there was nothing exciting, but when this game came out in beta, we played day and night like kids. With the latest patch though, we're completely fed up... what a terrible end.

[jaunty narwhal]

i dont think its dramatic to have an opinion like that. Its completely fine to love the last beta and not enjoy this one due to pacing. its valid critique

[knotty wind]

We even tried to find pauses during work to just play one more game, we don't have that sentiment now

[jaunty narwhal]

I think the dramatic part is more the attitude towards the devs, acting like "a gem was destroyed" or "the game will never be good again"

[magic swift]

Damn sorry bro, love those moments when they last with good company! 🙂

[knotty wind]

The gem is destroyed, worries are that they cannot fix it or replace it.

[jaunty narwhal]

The people who work at Slopclap have experience designing and balancing games, that doesnt mean all their decisions will be automatically right or good but it means that they know how to finetune.

[jaunty narwhal]

See now thats dramatic

Have you ever considered that your opinion is not fact

[magic swift]

I actually agree

[knotty wind]

they could*

[barren lava]

because theres middle aged year old men with wife and kids and lost dreams playing the best CB yapping about how the removal of any good skill features is the best thing they ever saw They can finally live out their dream of passing the ball up and sitting in the cuck chair 😭

[knotty wind]

surely it's not a fact, but this kind of HARD regression is discouraging

[jaunty narwhal]

i find the regression little, the buff to Gk was too much opposed to last one, i think its better if theyre a bit weaker. Slide tackling / tackle spam is also something to be looked at

[magic swift]

I agree its excessive, but no mention of the changes in patch notes, no addressing problems, and the current state of the industry is utter trash right now. So many ppl have been burnt or feel left behind by devs its valid to doom a bit.

[magic swift]

the regression is major, i think this is an out there take

[jaunty narwhal]

its a 4 day beta - and its like day 2, youre giving the devs way too little time to adjust or respond

[brittle hemlock]

It's fine at least we get to give them money for ronaldinho skin

[knotty wind]

I don't think we'll see tuning of mechanics during the beta

[magic swift]

facts im still waiting, im gonna play, im not gonna refund but i need to see a will somewhere, a sign of life would be good

[jaunty narwhal]

yea for sure, its about them getting it right toward release

[magic swift]

Stop bro dont say it out loud

[knotty wind]

They'll collect feedback, and then once release we finally see the final version of pinball

joking

[brittle hemlock]

I think it's a good strategy. Slow the game down so a lot of people quit and servers can finally handle it

[pine compass]

LOL

fair enough

[knotty wind]

should be a DLC "old mechanics pack"

[jaunty narwhal]

blue lock crowd finally filtered as the game now requires for them to pass once in their life..

[magic swift]

addressing the bluelock crowd like youre not in it is hilarious

[knotty wind]

or maybe they want to pickup players that are bad at fifa and playing this monstrosity

have a feel of "I KNOW HOW TO PLAY FOOTBALL"

[brittle hemlock]

Once you reached ranked in previous beta everyone was already passing

[knotty wind]

people that like the new state of the game just play casuals.
hate how a skilled player can make fun of them

[jaunty narwhal]

yea ik, i was just takin the piss

[sonic steeple]

in this one they forgot how to though lol

[dreamy elbow]

Ok, sorry guys if my english is not perfect (not my native language). For all the people who thinks this game is doom and destroyed, i think you guys never like the game core essence and only want to make tik tok and reels of making insane goals juggling the ball all the time, i played in the last 2 betas and in fact i see a nerf in dribbling but i think is perfect, this game is not to be neymar and not passing the ball for 5 minutes in a 6 minutes total game, i played last night with my friends and i have some insane games passing 2 defenders easily so the game is not dead, and in fact to think that this game is doom because a patch in a live game is really silly. Thats my opinion

[jaunty narwhal]

i wouldnt say state of dribbling is perfect but otherwise good opinion. Agree the game in a squad is insanely fun rn

[knotty wind]

insanely fun 😂

[river trail]

“Insanely” is stretching it but I agree. I still had some fun games with my team for sure

[jaunty narwhal]

mad at other ppl having fun is crazy

lmfao

[knotty wind]

"insanely" is having me laugh

[dreamy elbow]

i only use the same bar of you guys if you think this game is doom and destroyed i will use insanely and perfect

[bright saddle]

It's unplayable. I'm so close to fisting my PC to Valhalla this SHIT GAME. ANYTIME I try to pass the damn ball, it goes in a random direction. IT MAKES NO SENSE. Am I too fast for the slow-motion animation? They tell us, "The animations have more fps now… hö hö." Yeah, perfect. Animations now take too long; we can't even break them up. But this pass mechanic, god, to the love of god, I want to destroy something. They should roll back to the previous version, not kidding. There is seriously some shit going on, whether it's the walk/run animation or the dribble animation. Some of these animations trigger a wrong pass direction if you want to play fast.

[dreamy elbow]

people tend of be overdramatic on internet

[knotty wind]

is a different game, so the previous one is not this.

[dreamy elbow]

i dont think it is

[knotty wind]

do you think call of duty is the same game if you remove sprinting from the game?

or another game?

[brittle hemlock]

Rocket league with boost removed

[river trail]

Hahah

[dreamy elbow]

what mechanic is completely removed from the game?

[knotty wind]

every change they did transformed the game

[bright saddle]

Pass with WASD

[river trail]

The game most definitely feels different than the previous iteration and not in a good way

[dreamy elbow]

but all that changes can easly mold, is a live game with patch notes nerfs and buffs

[river trail]

Yeah, but aren’t you a bet doubtful on the release of the game in less than a month?

The game isn’t ready for release

[dreamy elbow]

The last beta was a month a go i think and made all this changes

[river trail]

Unless the technological advancement is profound that they can make big changes in a short time span.

[river trail]

I stand corrected, true

[dreamy elbow]

I understand that people don't like the changes but need to chill a bit

[pulsar moat]

Yeah but I've got 10000+ other games competing for my attention. I don't have the time or money to wait for a game to "become" good after it "was" good in the last beta.

[runic swan]

.

[dreamy elbow]

But if it release in a "good" state?

[pine compass]

The beta's are legit to test stuff right so

just wait ti lrealease lol

[dreamy elbow]

Exactly

[pine compass]

but i do agree that this beta is way less fun then the last one

[dreamy elbow]

Totally valid. My point is that this game is "doom" is completely overdramatic

[ornate harness]

If you're a team player, its not

[barren lava]

it is

[pine compass]

Dude i play with a five stack and tiki taka but with guarantee i say to u. Last beta was way more fun thats why theres SO MUCH drama in this discord rn.

u can barely do a 1-2 pass because youll be out of stamina once u get it

[ornate harness]

That's you opinion and I respect it

not mine though

[river trail]

Well, if they are really passionate on executing their vision and working for this to come to fruition I guess we give them the benefit of the doubt but doesn’t mean we should pay for it until we see some major improvements.

[calm pecan]

im not having the same vibes of the last beta

its just became boring idk why

[ornate harness]

You just need to take care of your stam more

[pine compass]

Yeah and thats boring.

The gameplay is extremely slow

[ornate harness]

that's more tactical yes

not less boring

you can play 3v3 for faster pace i think

Or maybe what they could do is make 3v3 and 4v4 faster but keep 5v5. I like how 5v5 is rn

[magic swift]

https://medal.tv/games/rematch/clips/k7ebXA65xSBMJGLuQ?invite=cr-MSxiRUksMjczMTQwNjc3 people want to argue that not be able to do this, is ok and we shouldnt be crying

[magic swift]

excuse the bad shot this was my 3rd game in the first beta

[pure torrent]

indeed

[dreamy elbow]

but you can do it

[magic swift]

yes its just more situational, risky, and less valuable

https://medal.tv/games/rematch/clips/k7SfvuFWeSBSQtMB3?invite=cr-MSxyTjcsMjczMTQwNjc3 look at the amount of room dribbling gave me here, this version couldnt have this

[severe geyser]

I highly disagree. You would not have the stamina to do anything after the tackle and 1 push ball after running to it. While yes you can still clown on people its the feel of executing that play that has ultimately been affected and lead to this feeling of "game boring"

[versed hornet]

bro, SA server isnt half of that clean

[sonic steeple]

Don't know what kick you get from arguing with people's opinion on why they're not having fun or how they should be lol

[magic swift]

❤️ tyyyyy

man i love this game

loved

its not THAT crazy of a change but theres a spark to it that it lost for me ngl

im a good dribbler so i can still at the very least control and make a play in this version but power like this is missed when its gone

[ornate harness]

I mean the def is really bad

[dreamy elbow]

that offends me a little xd

[ornate harness]

either version you chose you can do this if the defense is bad

[magic swift]

i have a clip of someone blocking a rainbow flick with a slide tackle

[magic swift]

with less distance and stam nerfs it becomes WAY harde

[versed hornet]

whhy

[dreamy elbow]

im from Sa xd

[dreamy elbow]

Totally agree

[ornate harness]

Yeah because the game is more teamplay oriented now. Then is personal preference

I can understand some people get frustrated not to dribble as much as before

[magic swift]

https://medal.tv/games/rematch/clips/knUfRC80EEOMXXaZa?invite=cr-MSxmRVksMjczMTQwNjc3 in the beginning you can see me do a rainbow flick into push off like in other clips i showed, look how easy he can just tackle and take it, just as the clip starts

[ornate harness]

Then its even more rewarding now

[magic swift]

compare the "fully surrounded" goal with this one, when i dribble right passed 2 ppl, i rainbow flick the 3rd and push off, with stamina remaining

#1377356836264607824 message

[barren lava]

thank you this brought a tear to my eye

[ornate harness]

That's because he used double boost and you didnt

was already the case in previous version

[magic swift]

❤️

[barren lava]

I wish i saved some replays like that from the first beta

[magic swift]

bro i fell in love

[hushed coral]

I understand wanting to dribble past everyone and all tackles because it can be fun, but I think making the tackling more responsive and adding stamina to dribbling raises the skill ceiling. You now have to think about when to use your dribbling instead of spamming it. Not only that but it incentivizes team play over taking on the whole team by yourself.

[brittle hemlock]

Realistically there is no reason to dribble now at all because of how little space you get with it. Also previous beta had much more teamplay than this one

[magic swift]

the problem isnt spamming i dont even mind the stamina changes its the distance you cover with dribbling now its garbage and im sure youre not arguing for the game to require good teamplay to enjoy like league or overwatch

teamplay is better when everyone is strong

[barren lava]

im not going to lie to you this teamplay cope is so horrible the game was team focused before now its just FORCED into every occassion being team focused because otherwise you are chudded

[rotund goblet]

I think the game is ok with the dribbling stamina and such but idk if it’s the lag or what it is but slide tackles are overpowered and make certain situations just unfun

[brittle hemlock]

Slow pace is boring and fast pace is fun

[magic swift]

THAT PART!!!!

[hushed coral]

Holy guys, one at a time, XD

[magic swift]

you hit a nerve bro

[versed hornet]

BECAUSE DRIBBLING IS NERFED

YOU CANT STAND INFRONT OF 3 PEOPLE

[hushed coral]

I disagree with the fact that there is no reason to dribble, there is absolutely still value in it. Though I do think making the strides you make with your dribbles could be increased. I do think on the other hand there are ways to go around the shorter strides.

[brittle hemlock]

It's sad you can't properly dribble down the wing anymore to get a cross in

[versed hornet]

that sucks, now we have someone sticking the same position just waiting for a pass and shoot it

[rotund goblet]

I’m not trying to take a whole team on, I only try to realistically dribble past one maybe two people but it’s unpredictable atm. Again idk if it’s the lag or if it’s because of the dribble nerfs but it’s so cooked 😭

[hushed coral]

I’m not coping I was just trying to be objective man, not trying to argue just came to have productive conversation. I love the game and want the best for it just like you.

[rotund goblet]

Dribbling past one or two unless the defender is incompetent, is a coin toss rn

[formal olive]

Very true!!

[hushed coral]

I agree it’s dicey, especially with the latency issues

[magic swift]

Did you play last beta?

[hushed coral]

Yes

[versed hornet]

no skill just luck

that sucks

[knotty wind]

in this beta this exact situation would have been ball to the opponent.

[versed hornet]

they killed the game we bought

[knotty wind]

i don't see why we should not be able to do that anymore... what's wrong with that? how you deal in that situation with TEAMPLAY

[magic swift]

You cant tell how different and restricting it is now? thats being objective, anything else trying to justify it is the definition of cope

it was better, period

[versed hornet]

THATS THE ONLY GOOD PART OF THE GAME

[river trail]

Thank you for this because I told my team the same thing. No matter how aware and good you are the game doesn't want you to express yourself and be creative.

[severe geyser]

I was so ready to preorder this game truly I was. I have the money on my steam account. I convinced myself to just play this last beta before I committed to it because I generally dislike pre-ordering anything. For the last beta I was willing to make an exception I just can't get behind this new style/direction.

This change makes me worry for the future direction of the game. Where as before I could totally see that game just being released after a few QOL updates and then just being left to sit pretty much. This version makes me think that the balance team might be more active in deciding how the meta shakes out which is not what I would want to see from a game like this. I again think of RL that has had like 2 minor changes to its mechanics through its entire life time and is still an amazing game that strikes such a good balance between team and individual skill. With the current state I see much more change on the horizon.... they still want to add fake shots and potentially other skill moves if all of that is not ready on release and are added later they will have to be tooled/balanced. If the balance team wants to dictate the direction of the meta I could see certain aspects of the game getting changed overtime to point the players in a certain direction

[knotty wind]

look how beautiful it was

[pure torrent]

+1

[hushed coral]

Saying anything other than your opinion is cope is not keeping an open mind. Yes it was faster and more responsive the dribbling before. But saying that just because it’s slower and there is stamina now that it’s completely dead to dribble is also not being fair. The devs are trying things and seeing. What works it’s why it’s a beta.

[river trail]

Hell yea ma

[rotund goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[hazy widget]

I bet they're gonna fix it on launch
sloclap respond to the community and there's no way they're not fixing this after the backlash

[brittle hemlock]

It's less than a month until release. They should have it locked down and not be trying things especially when everyone loved core gameplay of previous beta

[knotty wind]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-running-racing-gif-17941504912921926929

sloclap balance team

[magic swift]

this is my hope

[river trail]

I also agree with this perspective to be frank

[brittle hemlock]

If this is their vision for the game they won't change it

[rotund goblet]

I believe in sloclap they’ve given me no reason not to this far. Hope they fix it during this beta tho

[pure torrent]

this

[hazy widget]

after everyone said they don't like this direction? they def will

[rotund goblet]

Nah sloclap is pretty good with community feedback and this seems like an issue for most of the playerbase

[river trail]

Hell yea man, optimisim prime. We got to believe !

[hazy widget]

I believe they're just testing stuff and see if we fw or not, remember this is the point of testing

[magic swift]

that was this version lol sorry :/

[pure torrent]

I think their vision for the game it's game must be fun, and this is not. So I hope they revert it soon. After all I think they just trying balace it FOR more fun, not to kill it

[pure torrent]

hope so

[river trail]

Yeah, but how much time do they need to change it to a balanced and fun experience. Do you have any knowledge on how the development process goes? Less than a months feels scarcely scarce!

[pure torrent]

Previos beta was FUCKING AMAZING

[magic swift]

and actually the point still stands, even tho im cold like that and theyre gonna have to nerf these hands if they wanna stop me...I still only scored that due to the situation. I would not have seen that option if the 3 random events didnt happen before. then it became clear that lead to goal, versus me creating that in the old beta

[hazy widget]

all I can say is in sloclap we trust, even if it isn't perfect on release, I believe they're gonna keep improving it right after

[river trail]

Exactly, even if you are messi, you should still point out the underlying cause of that play.

[magic swift]

my people you get me

[clever kiln]

I do wonder how much of it is the newfound networking issues. There's times when I've seen and heard the ball leave the ground while tackling, then both of us get confused because suddenly it's gently rolling along the ground next to us lmao

[river trail]

I hope so man, lets rejoice this beautiful community that has the passion to make this game great even with our differing opinions!

[clever kiln]

The build itself will be at least a few weeks old. Hoping those issues get ironed out because it wasn't as bad last beta

[magic swift]

I actually been liking discussing the game no ones a hater its fun actually

[brittle hemlock]

That's what people thought about PoE2 devs too. First patch everyone loved the game and second patch they made the game complete slog and everyone hates it. They also address all the feedback except the main point. There were other games like this with egoistic devs that ruined them like Finals or Imperator Rome

[hazy widget]

na, sloclap is just chill like that

[brittle hemlock]

Then we have Valve with Deadlock where they keep adding more speed and cool moves even though no one is asking for it and it just makes it more and more fun because fast pace is more fun than slow pace

[magic swift]

I dont think its a refund for me just yet cuz i already preordered right before this beta. I kinda just madea bet i would love it

[river trail]

Yo get on the game and lets get some games in, I haven't played since lat night

We gotta give them as much constructive feed back as needed

[brittle hemlock]

Assuming they even care about the feedback. It's likely they just care about their bug report form

[hushed coral]

I agree

[scarlet iron]

U can perform more than two dribbles in a row ill gladly break the mechanics down more if u need it otherwise i dont know im sorry u feel like its not in depth enough

[river trail]

Well whatever feedback we can give will give. And I doubt they will ignore the numerous amount of people that came to the consensus that this beta is far from ready and needs improvement beyond the scope of bug fixing. We will see what they do in less than a month.

[severe geyser]

I haven't bought it yet and at this point I'm going to be waiting for full release just because I've lost the vision I had for the game. I do have hope and faith that sloclap will becable to put out a great game but weather its the game that I feel in love with I don't know yet

[brittle hemlock]

Yeah and make no space at all so what was even the point of dribbling

[scarlet iron]

To dodge a player that is in the action of sliding tackeling u or to dodge a standing tackle what other point should there be ?

[brittle hemlock]

So instead of just passing you want me to dodge and then pass? That's equally boring

[river trail]

https://medal.tv/games/rematch/clips/knsiysOeU14Czvc01?invite=cr-MSxGbnIsNjk3MzA1NzU

[knotty wind]

Honestly, I'm a bit baffled by the negative feedback on the game's mechanics and speed in this previous beta.
From everything I saw and heard after the first beta, there was so much genuine hype and excitement.
People seemed really into it, practically itching to play this new version.

If the game was in such a seemingly good state back then, with tons of YouTube videos and Twitch streams showing it off, why take such a massive risk with major changes just weeks before launch?

It honestly feels like it's backfiring right now, which is exactly what you'd expect.
Why not focus on refining and polishing what was already there and just fix the things that were actually broken in the first beta?

They could have presented a product that felt much more finished, especially being so close to release.

[scarlet iron]

What else do u expect do be able to do with dribbling ? U mean to lean into more galactik football type stuff that would be dope what u think ? @brittle hemlock

[river trail]

That's precisely why I think the game is mostly like going to be delayed but I hope they work it out before the release date.

[scarlet iron]

I think since the dribbling is ronaldinho inspired being able to touch the ball away from people playing between ball possession and no possesion really simulates how real football works and it makes us able to play this dynamic way of football as its meant to be. I think the problem is that no one understands the skill ceiling yet

[raw wraith]

this literally how I feel ingame now lol just a field of grandpas xD

[scarlet iron]

@knotty wind they might paid actors man

[raw wraith]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uxiPYFsmwBQ?feature=share

Me on the ground after a sick play xD

[knotty wind]

Also plenty of discussion about that, but not a word from anyone of the sloclap team... which is weird

[urban lotus]

My team has quit playing due to the dysnc, im sure many players will do the same. Its basically unplayable.

[jaunty narwhal]

Rematch peaked both in Twitch viewers and Playercount...yesterday

[knotty wind]

Also, something weird, no changelog about numbers of this patch. The changes are major so I expected at least some % showing off

[dreamy elbow]

They are taking notes

[clever kiln]

Developers aren't going to come make a big sweeping statement 2 days into a beta when there's hundreds of feedback threads and players etc

[versed hornet]

THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME

[clever kiln]

It's the community managers job to collect all that and distill it down so they can actually see it later

[coral mulch]

In the last beta passing was 100% better than just dribbling the ball and trying to beat the defender but dribbling was still viable, but in this version they made trying to dribble past a defender super unreliable and made passing the only reliable action with the ball which imo makes the game super 1 dimensional and boring.

[pine compass]

prolly best description ive seen yet

[knotty wind]

Sure, but nothing eventually saying “those changes comes from x y z data”

[knotty wind]

So? It’s totally unrelated to my comment

[jaunty narwhal]

well you sorta act like the game is dying as of this patch, that people lost interest etc

"feels like its backfiring right now" outside of this discord echochamber channel.. not really?

[knotty wind]

I don’t act like that, people are losing interest in keep the grind on the game, that’s all those posts around discord, are you blind or what?

[jaunty narwhal]

beta has been barely out for a day, what grind lol

[knotty wind]

You live in a bubble brother it seems

[rotund goblet]

People trying to get the mechanics down to get ahead of the curve for ranked play, just like in other physics based games like Rocket League

It’s a grind to get better

Rn it’s hard to find the reason to grind because the gameplay is inconsistent due to the lag

[jaunty narwhal]

agree on that

the desync and packet loss would be my biggest gripe with the game as of rn

• server/region select for the love of god

[pulsar moat]

There's contrarians with almost every game when people raise concerns. I've seen it so many times over the past ten years.

A large group raise concerns. A small group say "you're being dramatic". Game releases in a shit state, players drop off, and then the small group wonder why player numbers are bad.

Discussion is healthy and good, but let's not minimise people's concerns and result to petty insults or arguing when someone complains.

[rotund goblet]

Even then low ping still felt tough, if a defender gets near you and they’re any good at the game dribbles are a 50/50

[urban lotus]

The dysnc will cull alot of the playerbase, my friends have stopped playing unil the servers are smooth, can they fix it? im not so sure.

[rotund goblet]

My biggest worry right here.

Fuck the gameplay changes, this is what needs to be addressed before all else. Consistent predictable mechanics in gameplay must be a priority.

[coral mulch]

If people don't like the gameplay changes people are going to refund their preorders and they are gonna have no money to fix server issues 🤷‍♂️

[rotund goblet]

I think that the gameplay changes aren’t really that massive. I think the lag is exacerbating the severity of them.

[coral mulch]

idk the last day of the previous beta was a lag fest and I still enjoyed it, this version even if i get a game with minimal issues i still prefer the last version with issues

[rotund goblet]

Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the changes either bro, but the lag is what makes it unbearable. I’d there was no lag people would adapt, maybe still have the same opinion that they like the faster gameplay but the biggest issue is the lag

[thick oasis]

Arent there like 5x the amount of people playing this beta?

[severe geyser]

naw there are more but its only a bit more

[rotund goblet]

I only played the last few hoursk of the last beta, and it was nowhere near as laggy and desync ridden as this beta

[severe geyser]

In total since this beta includes console there may be more but on PC its about the same

[rotund goblet]

I’m sure they’re sharing servers

[coral mulch]

what server? bc i was playing on a US one like 5-6 hours b4 they closed it and it was horrible

[rotund goblet]

US east

[sleek glacier]

good stuff

[rotund goblet]

I was playing at like 8pm-1am

Maybe I didn’t notice much lag because I could actually dribble but it feels like the lag is much worse this time around

[urban lotus]

You cant assess the balance/gameplay changes because due to the awful dysnc the game is unplayable tbf.

[sleek glacier]

Lag and gameplay slowness aren't helping.

fs

[coral mulch]

yea but people can cancel their pre orders and wait until the game releases because they are uncertain about the direction of the game

[ornate harness]

Game stability is what must be the priority...

[rotund goblet]

Yeah and it doesn’t help they haven’t addressed it on Twitter. All they’ve addressed is the high volume areas not being able to find matches because they’re full.

[urban lotus]

Yes i agree but alot of people me and my friends included will cancel also if no information or guarantee's are made by the dev team about the servers.

[rotund goblet]

And they expanded matchmaking areas. Which in turn will make lag worse 😅

[coral mulch]

Yep, and now they got people on both sides refunding because of the changes, and refunding because of server issues, and now they are gonna have way less money to fix the server issues

[urban lotus]

Well top of my list would be get the playbase playing on smooth servers first, then address the gameplay

[brittle hemlock]

Compared to last beta we have worse gameplay and worse servers

Servers were not even that bad in the last beta except when it put you in the wrong one

[rotund goblet]

Yes the difference is now there’s PS5 Steam and Xbox player all on the same servers. Last beta we had steam users only

[clever kiln]

It still does put you in the wrong one occasionaly, but outside of that the local servers still feel a touch worse.

No idea if that's game changes, server changes, or server overloading etc. That's the main problem.

[coral mulch]

open beta's almost 100% of the time have server issues, because they dont have the funds yet to pay for good server

[urban lotus]

Its not that mate, its the coding in the game for sure.

[rotund goblet]

Last night, I played from about 19:30-1am and everyone 4v4 or 5v5 game I played was pretty bad on lag.

Ok how do you figure it’s the network coding and not the servers I’m curious

I can’t even say short form of network coding 😂 wtf

[coral mulch]

and you are a specialist that designs games on this engine right? only way u can make that statement lmao

[rotund goblet]

Clearly the animations will never be super smooth like something you would find on fifa but it doesn’t need to be because everything is very manual. As long as what you’re seeing represents what’s happening or going to happen in game I think it’s good enough. And I believe the game has that judging from the previous beta. But the reality is the servers must be strained with the large influx of players that are not only on steam now since last beta but also two other consoles whose player base is as large if not larger

[jaunty narwhal]

the animations are really smooth, not sure what u mean

[rotund goblet]

As in animations of other players they’re a little janky but they’re always going to be like that because of the kind of game it is

Replay screens for example you’ll never see exactly what the other person sees it jumps around a little compared to what you would see if you were looking at their screen

Obviously your own players animations are perfect

But that’s what I’m talking about with network coding. As I said I think that the network coding is fine. Servers on the other hand, they gotta figure out what they’re gonna do with them

[jaunty narwhal]

ah yeah, theyre definitely glitching out at times - though i wrote those off as desync / netcode issues

[dusty monolith]

this game doesnt look ready for 3 weeks later

such a disappointing. I wanna play so bad but when I play its so boring.

aerial pass looks so trash

it felts like my character aged 20 years from last beta XD

[coral mulch]

idk im in plat for ranked and most people adjusted to just only pass and never dribble which makes it playable but its still more boring than the last beta

[dusty monolith]

but nerfing a dribble was not a choice in my opinion defence against dribble could be better

[brittle hemlock]

I'm in plat too but can't find any matches anymore. Do you find them?

[coral mulch]

if ur que is longer than 4-5 minutes restart the game

only way that works for me

and im on us servers

[dusty monolith]

i though the game will be like blue lock / galactic football

[brittle hemlock]

US too i will do that

[dusty monolith]

but right now it seems like fifa

[coral mulch]

yea 100% i enjoyed the last version so much more

[dusty monolith]

i was even expecting some skills like based on a formations.

[coral mulch]

but, i still find it playable and somewhat enjoyable at this stage, and when they make, imo, some pretty bad changes and the game is still somewhat fun i still have hope that the devs can bring it back to what it was

[dusty monolith]

i hope so thats what i wanna trust too

hope they listen the players feedbacks

[sleek glacier]

🫡

[dusty monolith]

as i remember when i sprint with a ball it was just pushing the ball forward 1 time now its 2 right?

handling the ball with a sprint much harder

[brittle hemlock]

It looks like the mods just forward the feedback they like so I wouldn't have much hope

[rotund goblet]

https://forms.gle/D5bx8Ar4ZRSR2b8F8 fill these out

[dusty monolith]

adjusting the pass side sens is too high it has to be changeable

[coral mulch]

Yea when i was trying to sell this game to all my friends i was telling them that this game has a low skill floor (aka u can still pass, shoot, dribble without that many hours) unlike other games such as rocket league but the skill ceiling is pretty high (aka you get rewarded for playing good) but now it feels like they lowered the skill ceiling and its not rewarding at all if u are better than your opponent (at least in a 1v1 situation)

[rotund goblet]

I agree seems like people can just spam tackle and slide tackle and the game shouldn’t reward that

[dusty monolith]

exactly bro thats the sumarry for all my feelings XD

[raw wraith]

https://streamable.com/sdm8r9 climbing my ass out of bronze 😂 Should have probably just passed it off the wall and sprinted out I guess

[rotund goblet]

But yet it works, last beta you could get away with the dribbling but that plus the issues with desync or lag is a bad combo

[dusty monolith]

slide has to be more cooldown

[raw wraith]

having a lot more fun today ngl, adapting to the 1 dribble pass system but still fun to greed if im allowed

[coral mulch]

best way to climb as a solo is to tell ur team to sit middle, u take the ball to corner and lob pass to middle. they changed the game where u cant be a hero viably anymore

[dusty monolith]

cross pass is impossible bro im just touching my mouse when im passing but it immediately turns 90degree

[sleek glacier]

im playin but not having same fun as the prev beta at all

[brittle hemlock]

This worked really well previously but now dribbling is so shit that it doesn't work against competent players

I had fun with games ending 6-5 but now it's all 1-0

[sleek glacier]

kinda true

[coral mulch]

yea i prob did not word that the best but it works if your teammates are consistently passing the ball and if u get open on the corner and bait 2 defenders to run at you and lob the ball middle for a look a the goal is one consistent way i see of scoring on good goal keepers bc if you do the old off the wall pass vs a good keeper, they just gonna run out of cage and catch it mid air

[brittle hemlock]

Ranked is not working for me anymore but in quickplay everyone is so bad I see why some people think dribbling is viable. You can 1v5 in quickplay but that's not how the game actually is

[frigid ether]

Dude, You are ridiculous. He used extra effort. Thats why You keep this extra speed for. Why are You mad for the guy that he used the super speed boost.

[raw wraith]

ye and watching my clip back i guess the "correct" (and boring) play would have been to actually pass immediately when I had a tm8 to my left but it was too quick for me to confidently make with the changed pass mechanics ngl xD

[bleak socket]

Last beta had way better matchmaking because it priorized getting you a match fast, it didn't try to connect you to a server you have close

[coral mulch]

I have had to restart multiple times in a row to get the rank que fixed

[hazy widget]

yea but there is noway you wait 10 minutes in Eu for a match
what did yall change in the patch

[bleak socket]

We made like 2 patches to fix the matchmaking, it isn't perfect but a lot of people say it helped

[hazy widget]

yea its much better than whatever yesterday was

[coral mulch]

correct me if im wrong but im assuming the que lengths are long is bc there is not enough space on the server to host games for this many people

[versed fog]

Bring back self chip into volley we want the game to have a higher skill ceiling please🙏🏾

[bleak socket]

I have no idea ngl, the devs didn't tell us what exactly was the problem

[raw wraith]

whats the advantage of self chip volley vs rainbow volley? (serious q)

[rotund goblet]

You can still do it RB+X+A

Anyways before any of those mechanics I’d like to see the desync issues fixed 🥲

[sleek glacier]

Got it

[brittle hemlock]

It's still putting me in us central instead of us east except now I can't find ranked match at all and it's minimum 5 minutes queue time for 5v5 quickplay

[frigid ether]

For everyone (both haters and supporters of slower pacing and toned down dribble) would be better to clearly split game mechanic and control issues.

And we need to remember, that both controllers should be balanced. I can clearly see why MK players are upset this new method doesn't work (and I noticed it quite quickly, even though i play 90% on gamepad) but on the other hand, if keyboard would get back the instant pass without looking, so should be the case with gamepad.

In competitive games You CANNOT have one controller beeing clearly better tooled than the other.

Thats why You dont want share lobbies in FPS between PC and consoles. Everyone understand why.

[versed fog]

Faster less predictable cooler more options the better

[versed fog]

Wdym instant passing pc had instant lock on passing or something?

[frigid ether]

WSAD passing that mk had in last beta is something completely different to how You would pass on a controller

[left cliff]

Game def stepped it up for skillbase! LOVE the changes hope they dont revert to anything

[rotund goblet]

I would agree but I can’t even assess if it’s better or worse because half the time idk where the ball is due to desync

[left cliff]

For sure, thats mostly due to opening the servers to playstation... Im sure if they did this Beta for PC only they wouldnt have nearly as many dync issues and people would have a lot more fun.

[rotund goblet]

Yeah servers imo should be the first priority. Very fun still and it ushered people in to a more passing playstyle rather than try to take in the whole team by rainbow flicking

Hopefully servers will be better today than last night

[versed hornet]

Looks like a fps game that we are only able to use rpgs

[ripe frost]

-movement in general nerfed, controlling the ball in any way is just slow and unresponsive.

-dribbling/stamina nerfed, the individual skill cap and creative options are just destroyed by this change

-shooting ballspin, also nerfed. any sense of skill cap on shooting removed

the game was already pretty low skill cap but atleast it felt fluid and responsive with some options for creative outplays, now it feels like running through mud to do anything, removed all individual skill which causes an insanely boring game play loop.

[coral mulch]

maybe thats what the devs want tho, i agree that i personally had way more fun with the last beta, but this version seems like they are trying to make this game ALL about teamwork and individual play not important at all, I hope that they change it to where you can do more with the ball rather than just a bunch of quick passes to a shot

[versed fog]

How is wsad passing different aren’t they both directional passing?

[versed fog]

People are saying the opposite that the skill ceiling has lowered with removal of mechanics and game speed slower

[austere flame]

or just pass the ball

[boreal raven]

Even last beta, I found it to be more skillful with good dribbling and good passing rather than this beta with it being passing focused, definitely ruined such a big component to the fun and addictiveness of this game

[granite lion]

I agree

[frigid ether]

Pressing W, than S can be done instantly after each other.
On controller it takes MUCH more time to pass in another direction than You are currently facing.

[coral mulch]

So the game should only have one viable strat?

[austere flame]

on controller you can walk while shooting

[frigid ether]

Thats why mouse pass/shot is required. Both controllers should be on even ground.
Too bad the first attempt is so bugged at the moment.

[coral mulch]

Like dont get me wrong i went from gold 3 to plat 2 solo by only going for assists but the game seems way more one dimensional this way

[austere flame]

fair enough, dribbling shouldnt be too much better to prevent some little egoists

[ripe frost]

these changes havent increased teamplay if anything the slower pace makes teamplay more slow and boring too, they have just removed all sense of skill expression from the game. if their target audience is for 10 year olds and casual dad gamers that get upset when somebody is better than them then sure they can market to that if they want but i wont be buying the game in this state

[coral mulch]

even in the last beta, passing was 100% better than going for dribble, but now its not even a viable option for mind games to counter pattern recognition

[coral mulch]

idk man are you playing ranked? games in plat people dont hold the ball longer for 5 seconds unless they got a open field

[ripe frost]

i got max rank last beta, i played 3 games this beta and fell asleep

[coral mulch]

well yea they changed the "hero/carry" role from being a striker that tries to beat their defender to a play style of a passing role

dont get me wrong i had way more fun in the last beta but i think the devs are trying to push that style of play

[ripe frost]

its not about hero/carry role, its about gameplay loop options, the slower pace of the game and lack of tools to switch things up and go for outplays just turns the game into 1 dimensional 0 skill cap gameplay loop, its slow and boring.

[frigid ether]

And rightfully so!
There are plenty of other games which can provide this kind of experience.

But this one, as far as I remember is team sport of 5v5

[ripe frost]

again, the changes to slow the game decrease teamplay if anything not increase, it just makes the game less stressful for bad players

[boreal raven]

but we were able to still have that team sport of 5v5, most ranked games last beta there was still good passing and teamwork, but also a good addition with the ballhandler being able to get past defenders

[coral mulch]

ngl i think it makes it more stressful for worse players, if you have 1-2 people on your team refusing to pass the game is unplayable and i see that with worse players

[ripe frost]

if you want to cater the game for people with missing fingers you end up with a shell of a game and gameplay loop that has 0 depth, idk what to tell you.

[coral mulch]

idk if u were dropped as a kid or just low reading comprehension but i have literally said the game was better last beta

[frigid ether]

Id rather have a tactical depth of positioning (which is much more demanding with slower speed) than 'press f to pass the defender'

[ripe frost]

then why are you tell me about having a slower pace game is better because 'people refuse to pass' like what? lmfao