First Drop Pics : Zaslon Project https://imgur.com/a/5JcE4lx https://imgur.com/a/5DbrK0h
#Zaslon Project VDV & SSO
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Bro is a juggernaut
@tender pecan @wheat fern
👀
Ratnik boys finally getting love
MMMMM St george stripes
Yeah is heavy stuff for long range operation (Hostomel)
the uniform in the first photo 🙌
Yeah Gen3 with AAU camo
Will we get more EMR too?
vkpo 8th layer with st Georges ribbon 
Yeah more incoming
Legend
@ancient glen
When will this drop?
Can't wait till this is on the workshop Russia is finally getting some love .Will there be weapons as well or will it just be gear
Weapon is underprogress just need to understand the animation process
Play the Game D'ont make a war ! This project d'ont support the war , is just for play with realistic stuff
✌️
@keen bay
Yes
Ahaha when will this mod be posted..
I want to say a big thanks to @trail belfry to help me to understand the process of Animation weapon and more .. Thank you sir . https://imgur.com/a/K3Nrvzs
When i understand this process i can start to add lot of weapon
i d'ont want put all weapon with out the good animation of enfusion , for the fire selector , the bolt, the trigger and more
Will you guys be using the MASKA-1SCh
Feel like it would fit the heavy gear
yeah a lot of other stuff is underprogress
Is this out on the workshop?
Question, will there be an AI Faction or no?
Ah, woops
yes is incoming with mission conflict Russian/Ukraine AI faction on two side ukraine and Russian
More news soon
You will add Ukraine too ?
Ok
Looks like UCP
yea the picture is postprod
Heat
fixed for the release
I'm assuming these will be in Game Master as well? (Sorry if this is annoying just super curious)
This will be perfect for my battlefield 4 support loadout
I'm excited for the UA kit, I just want more MM14
Where da pistol holsta
Ok
Is the mod out?
I think no
YESSSS
Oh yes
I agree..
ballistic gear on enfusion is realy good for modding dont worry for that.
No kidding!
I'm just excited that we get kit with St George's ribbons
Yeah
what does this bring in
are these ripped?
💀💀💀
what does this have to do with the factions?
In the faction config you set which heads/characters on each team
Will the mod have placable AI?
@deft pilot
Dude siriously , all screenshot is just screenshot . in game the carachters is triggered by the faction.Russian faction all men is withe.But i think is not good to say that , is just game .
Yeah I think it was an unnecessary thing to being up when it wasn’t an issue initially
The Bulki Bois
I don’t recognize the models from any other game’s mods so at least on my end i’m not sure
I do know that once this drops i’m getting some sweet screenshots of whatever factions are included
have you gotten permission to use models from CODMW2019 yet? 
and CORSO has already been banned here for it
and the weapon from Escape from Tarkov looks good after Stoyanov's modifications. Just again, did you get permission from BSG to do this?
I'm with shin
I can even detail which game a particular model is from 
there are, of course, also some purchased 3d models, but the basis of everything is ripped out models from other games
#enfusion_model message - I even once demonstrated the matches between a 3d model that CORSO ported into Arma Reforger and a 3d model from DayZ
i’m absolutely devastated
really gotta stop getting my hopes up for stuff that seems too good to be true
hello dude , i see you are realy angry , can you explain for what ? and what is your problems to see new stuff added on the game ?
Is on project mod , lot of model is comissioned to vitya artist and some other is making by me , and other is making by IvanMad and some other by stoyanov . I d'ont understand where is your problems
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you can see lot of this stuff on Vitya cgtrader and if some part come to other video game i break and make out of the project.
@lament cipher is this the correct CGTrader link for what you’re talking about? https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models?optimized=1&author=VityaB
38 3D models, available for download in MAX, OBJ, FBX, MB and other file formats, ready for VR / AR, animation, games and other 3D projects.
Yeah
All ripped contant is moved of the mod project thank you to hd2rx for repport me this.
So we're fine?
@lilac trout god bless you for pointing those out 😭
🐐🐐 🐐
Annonce : in the future we take time to analyse all contant pourchased for this project befor import on the mod.
you should not steal content from other people's mods, because you have no idea where certain objects often come from
in this case, you even registered in Discord on December 13th and are using the same screenshots that CORSO once showed us 
All our models are co-commissioned by 3D artists or purchased, so it is clear that one of them is sold to us with unauthorized content. Thank you for reporting we have launched a reimbursement request for these assets. Thanks again to You .Exatly this guys is one of them.
In this case, you just took the Stoyanov mod and stuck it in Arma Reforger, and the models are taken from COD MW2019
Yeah all assets comming on this is removed
In this case, most of them are "bought" 3d models, except for the backpack and SVD pouches, as well as, most likely, the pouches from RPS "Smersh" are taken from COD.
The backpack is the "Attack-2" from EFT
The SVD pouches (which we can see from the side) are from COD
gun from EFT but textured by Stoyanov (mod for Garry's mod)
in this case, the base (the armor itself) is a purchased model, but you probably didn't assemble it either, because it appeared in the Arma 3 mod. The vest is based on IMTV.
The pouches and warbelt are taken from COD
In this case most likely only the jacket is taken from COD MW2019, specifically Warzone, kinda like operative Bale's. But on the sleeves they stuck pockets from some combat shirt to get a winter jacket of VKPO
so in order not to violate the rules of the workshop, you need to delete everything except Vitaly's 3D models and the purchased IMTV model
but most likely the models were not bought by you, but simply taken from Steam workshop and transferred to the game without anyone's permission 
I think you go on extrem
just calm down bro
Commisioned stuff made by vitya , Now if you want report other subject you can comme on private is good.
unless it's silk to flatter your ego
you can continue here
i can send all proof of model is buy and not reaped
i don't like this
some exemple
and other part come to 3DMA webstite
Now thank you to report in private all other request
There’s no most likely no offense I understand your trying to play justice warrior here but you can’t sit on someone’s thread and speculate oh it must be ripped from maybe here or there maybe.
Yeah is true , just thank you to come in private for report anything
why?
If I know where certain assemblies come from, why can't I see that a person is walking on thin ice?
yeah is okey but come in private
in the future i send you screen before is better to look befor i post
You’re speculating on someone’s thread. If his mod has ripped models it will be taken down like all the other ones that did. So I would leave your speculation and picture references to yourself. You can always dm him if your trying to truly help but otherwise it’s not useful in this manner
@stoic solar
Can’t wait for this mod, I know there may be some potential issues or whatever but I’m really excited for this one.
Agreed honestly
Cheers mate
Np
Thank you guys for yours support
No, thank YOU for making this mod, we've been asking for this type of gear pack for ages lmai
Like @stoic solar said thank you
I give thanks from the VDV
Dude, if this guy hadn't pointed out the stolen/ripped assets, it would have been uploaded with them in the mod and then removed. He literally just saved this mod from certain death, and you're attacking him for it? Who's playing justice warrior?
No need to be argumentative. I’m more than certain Ares is aware of that. Furthermore, we should keep this out of the thread it’s getting out of hand.
Naa mate, this ripped model shit keeps happening, makes all Arma modders look bad. It needs to be confronted, not "kept out of the thread".
That’s not what i’m saying. I’m saying the aggressive nature should be out and the positive in, being aggressive about something and automatically assuming isn’t helping, only hurting. That’s what Mortalis was getting at.
There needs to be a line between constructively pointing out ripped assets like how HD was, and attempting a quick “gotcha” moment
You need to pay closer attention to tone in context. I also stated he should take it to DM’s then ruin someone’s thread. Furthermore he started to speculate that “it could be ripped from here or there” again we don’t need speculation of what could be ripped or not. It’s quite simple. There’s no need to flood a guys new project with ripped comments. It puts a bad taste in peoples mouth. I know you haven’t modded in awhile but I’m sure you wouldn’t want your thread flooded about that.
You're defending a thief. It's not unreasonable to assume all might be stolen when it was proven some it was. So there was a bit of inquisition, and he posted proof of purchases on some stuff. Guilty on counts one and two, not guilty on counts 3 and 4. If you don't steal/rip, shit like this won't be in your thread.
It’s not about defending a side I’m simply saying there thread is not the place to spam about ripping. I’m sure a discord moderator wouldn’t allow it especially when the mod author is requesting the convo goes private. Your missing the point
There are no rules on this Discord about your sensitives on perceived spam, but there is a rule about violation of the intellectual property rights; once a moderator shows up the topic author is probably getting banned and the thread deleted.
That’s partially incorrect, if the mod author in a thread wants a guy to stop commenting on his thread then prior precedence shows the moderators will usually ask that person to stop.
There's a fine difference between politely saying that an asset might be ripped, to straight up bashing the modder in question.
Leave people be, it's enough saying it only once.
You don't need to mention it 15 times in a row
Hello everyone, we are going to clarify things. We are not thieves, we paid for the 3d models to people who apparently sell stolen models. We kindly ask you to apologize for these images. Of course, any content not validated and confirmed is withdrawing from the project. This should also not be a reason to be aggressive and especially insulting. We are adults and we must communicate with a little maturity.In the future we will take care to check the models before posting the wip.But once again we are motivated to manufacture a quality mod on the Russian and Ukrainian VDV and SSO.Thank you all for now stopping talking about this in the thread. If you have any comments, don't hesitate to come privately.
Slightly unrelated, but do you have an approximate time/date for when you feel this will be put onto the workshop? Love what i’m seeing and I will not lie i’m definitely antsy to see it ingame..
Thank you for your interest 🙂 , We plan to publish the first version very quickly. So that you can test and give us feedback.
Sounds great!
New Russian SSO Uniform CryeGen 03 : https://imgur.com/a/VcqTKWT
Multicam Version : https://imgur.com/a/q42OtzP
ATACS-IX : https://imgur.com/CAmBFve
Finally, more ATACS
so how many people are working on this project, and do you guys have a discord?
We are two guys working on it me and jean
we have discord to but is private for the moment
ATACS-AAU : https://imgur.com/c1roB91
Yeah the discord is open soon when wee release the first version
These look amazing we definitely need more atacs in the game
ok, thanks for the transparency!
Will there be matching plates carriers to go with it?
Yesssss belt. I love thigh holsters
Are we going to get ATACS backpacks?
Don't believe we currently have any, surely would be a great addition
Yeah is planned 🙂
Voin Fortress https://imgur.com/a/gSty6II
Different Version colors , and out of the hood version to
New VKPO Uniform And Helmet 3 Variante :
Will st George ribbons be added later on, or for a whole different uniform?
Oh, alright
Are there ribbons only for the 8th layer?
Or are there for the 4th, too?
so is this a ukrainain war mod?
Yeah is the project
New Vest AVS for SSO : https://imgur.com/a/0LRLTEB
Vest For Ratnik : https://imgur.com/a/xfKVRwK
@lament cipher what guns will be in the mod pack?
Ratnik Uniform Variant no pad : https://imgur.com/a/yMum45m
🔥🔥🔥
These are all 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Hello guys wee searching support for help on the project ,if you want join the team send me dm.Wee search Weapon specialiste for add a lot of weapon.Thank you
New AK 105 Weapon , Animated and Ready for the fight just need to add more variant and accesory :
Just for show you the weapon and custom part selected for the mod project :
With all of this part wee can make a lot of Ak variant .
Hello Guys hope you enjoying your day new Drop i've got 4 Type of Balaclava We show you the first one other still in working with different colors: https://imgur.com/a/pYaXYOO
Différent Variant of the first balaclava hope you enjoying it 😄
Any possible under nose variants?
yes it's in work Bro
Nice
where ak-12 and ak-15 and rpk-16
nope planed
New Ukraini Jacket Rain Coat
Are you going to add Ukrainian items before release?
Thx for replying. I'm eagerly waiting for its release. Do you have an ETA on its release?
No ETA beacaus wee want to make the best quality of possibel
but wee release one alpha realy soon
Work in progress new variant of balaclava with Cap and Comtac :
Work on different type of colors
Beautiful
New Ukrainian Pants :
New Gorka Uniform :
Great job as always
👆
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he already made one
Saying this off the top of my head
Not sure if I'm correct
Yeah man, can't wait for this mod
RU has been needing this for a LOOONG time
Merry Christmas Everyone drop one uniform for spécial force i made today
you have 8 differents colors for this uniform
Can’t wait for it!
Nice
Reworked M70 Jacket And Pants :
special force uniform with variant colors
8 different colors for the uniform , 3 different vest with colors to and the tactical helmet
How's progress for this going?
progress is good we have to fix some uniform before the first release
and we work on little detail description of uniform and on preview uniform for arsenal
i would suggest a different kind of plate carrier 3d model
Just a question since I’m new to this page. Just out of curiosity with this mod be for uniforms or will it also include AI replacements with revamps as well?
Now I would like ai units with this mod
This died?
hopefully not, it’s promising
Hope not
Hope it's not abandoned
Holy shit all this looks amazing
The mod is not dead guys we have a work before the pleasure to make this mod
tommorow we work on it for an first alpha
I cant wait
Fuck up wraith
the beef is crazy
Alpha Test Mod Publish Guys next Week-end we had more Things Little Version for the moment with some VDV and SSO next week-end we had more 😄
Name of the mod : ZASLON
Real?????
Real little Version Alpha
next week-end we had more stuff because we see some stuff need details
Crye Pants And tops Russian SSO , Gorka , VDV uniform & Ratnik , Helmet Ratnik and one Vest for Ratnik , two vest for SSO . All other Vest and Helmet VDV incoming the next weeks
We hope you gonna enjoy the first Version
I can't wait till I get to play with this mod. You have just made my day
Literally just woke up to see this, made my whole day too
Next Week , Uniform , Vest , and more
Downloading it now and np
Holy shit over a GB? Man I can't wait
Longest mod download of my life lol
💯
The screenshots are gonna go crazy
Of course the arsenal UI is alpha , wee rename and make good preview the next weeks with lot of new stuff
I'm already to recreate this one
We'll be waiting, impatiently.. but waiting
we will make an update today for the name of some item
We make an issue today we work on it right now
Is it okay if I send screenshots I take with the mod here?
yep
Alright, expect a lot then!
Another issue, some pants make your legs invisible
I love the stuff, the Ratnik helmet and clothing brightness is off, I don't know if that's intentional or not
it's the gorka pant we fixed it next update soon
not it's the only texture we have for the moment
Okay, was just curious
but if we found a better texture we apply on it
Is there a way to make the jacket flatter when putting on a vest? Just wondering because there's some clipping issues when using vests
Where do you download this? or is it not out public yet?
It's out, look up ZASLON
Oh nice! I'll look it up
no we can't make this we didn't have the tool for this , bohemia didn't add this option
What a shame, that's really the only issue I can find
but if we found something we fix it
now we work for the name and the invisble gorka right now and send update the next hour
You can probably ask the RHS Team, I believe they did something for their mod that changes the jacket when putting on a vest
yeah we gonna ask some big team
nice screenshot
Thx man
The only issue I've seen is with the helmet in the screenshot it is a bit bright and makes the uniform darker
Here's a side by side comparison
we check this
if you guys need a tileable EMR texture let me know, I have one that I can resize to any size you may need
Thank you!
this should tile ok
yeah it's nice one
We assaulting Hostomel with this one
Is that first image a reference to this?
Yeah
Nice, a bunch of dead war criminals. If you think they are so cool, why not go join them?
"Wahh wahh, I can't enjoy things without crying about them"
Buddy, I never said they were cool, are you daft?
I think this is overly hostile for no reason..
My images are just a reference to the equipment of the mod
Nowhere did it say that me or Polimer supported them
It's bad taste, dressing up as a bunch of guys that commit such crimes.
Regardless of your support or not.
We fix The name and Preview , and we add something cool
By your logic, isn't dressing up as Ukrainians in bad taste because they've committed war crimes too
we send the Update
Thank you, @grizzled mist
@merry crow hello dude please stop to speak of this on the file
might as well play with no clothes in arma by that same logic lol
Well, yes, I agree. Leave the whole war out of this game.
Guys this page is for speak of the mod project not political or war discution
"If you take offense to something, don't expose yourself to it"
^ this. let’s take it to DMs so we don’t clutter this thread
The Update is on Progress
Fixed name and preview. Fixed the Gorka Pants and added one vdv BackPack
All next update comming next weeks thx for report all in this page 🙂
I'm sure this has been asked but will A.I. wearing the gear be available in a future update?
yes it's for the final of the project i know how to make this possible but not for the moment
No rush, love the work you guys have done already!
The next weeks wee add all vdv stuff , the ghiliie 5.45 and more
for the moment we finish all thing we have to do with Russian army and after that we work for UKR army
And we will be expecting stuff for the VDV and SSO of Ukraine too or just the normal armed forces?
Update Ready
update Online release
we gonna fix the gorka pant sorry about that we see a little problem on it
and we fix the backpack , he disapear when you put an tactical vest
Upload of the update start
for the moment we remove the gorka pant because we have to rework skinning he make reforger crash for no reason when we import skinning
Hope to see this soon on my favorite server
Literally any military has committed war crimes, what is your point bud
Put your politics and bias aside, this mod pack looks great and we should just appreciate the effort the creator has put in this because it is 🔥🙌
Yeah facts, also there is literally a taliban mod 😭😭😭😭
^
^
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Ngl yeah wtf 😂
Honest Chechen Reaction
And mods that include a party from the 1940's
Makes me geek when I see people complaining
A game about war that have countries that fight in wars?? WAHHHHHHHH
Were for sure gonna summon the wrath of pufo very soon
Did you edit that? Looks fucking phenomenal
and here we see 3 Z-Tards about to get absolutely skullfucked by Ukrainian sitting around the corner with an M249 SAW
bruh
Smh
You could say that about any country. America has bombed hospitals in the middle east. What's your point?
Chechens when they hear about another war they can fight In on both sides
Name me any game where you can dress up with Z symbol on your uniform; you can't because it doesn't exist. People don't make games that are near universally offensive to reasonable people.
Glory to the Heros is coming out soon
Anyways, they've kindly asked us to stop flooding their chat with this so honor their wishes
Not true. You cannot wear Z symbol in that game.
Their wishes are irrelevant; it's a public chat room.
It's their mod, you actual ape
This is a stupid argument is the taliban and nazis not offensive to some? You cant argue the taliban are old history too
It's a chat for the mod. This is off topic
Would it be different if this was a mod about Ukraine? No, because it's a game. The fact you are so butt hurt over people wanting to take time out of their lives to simply implement something from real life into game is just sad, bro.
There is no point to continue arguing, the fact is this mod imitates a real world conflict that continues to this day. It would be wildly inappropriate if someone made a Gaza mod, but because the war in Ukraine started over 3 years ago people have forgotten the price of war and have lost respect for those who have died. If I were the mod makers I would remove and replace anything that contains images exclusively used in the Ukraine war out of respect. Making a Gaza mod is wrong and making an Ukraine war one is too.
Go complain about the Taliban mod too
There are a plethora of modern military mods that can be offensive to anyone
The Talaban no matter the situation and the extreme nature of there GOVERNMENT, are a government and an army. The majority of the issues regarding the talban now is political, no country had troops on the ground.
Russian uniforms by themselves is fine, because they are a government and military. But with the patch’s it becomes a “simulation” of a on going war.
The taliban continue to be an ongoing threat
The Russian military and there extreme government also continue to be an ongoing threat and controversy
There is a difference between simulating a “threat” and a war that still takes life’s
There is a mod made by someone who has literally fought for the Ukrainian army who added Z symbols and armbands to Russian vehicles and uniforms, if someone who has actually served in the conflict sees no issues, then who is someone who hasn't served to see them
^
The U.S. military continues to operate in foreign nations and some dont like them yet there is also mods for them
@marble siren This mod is "otherwise objectionable or offensive", which is against the workshop terms of service. Please remove it.
Because a Z is on a uniform it is offensive
Yup
First never said the naz*s where cool, i said “simulating a threat is fine but simulating a on going war is not”
So shouldn't the victims in the Donbass take offense to yellow/blue armbands, white crosses, and tridents?
So any modern russian mod should be removed?
RHS?
Not exactly what he said
Like I said simulating a threat, the Russian military is fine but simulating a war is not.
“Oh it’s offensive” nobody really cares, it’s a video game
I think this is getting really out of hand
So remove the US modern factions mods
Or any nation that fights in conflicts currently
Like I said simulating a threat, the US military is fine but simulating a ongoing war is not.
The US is operating in armed conflicts around the world as of this moment. Including US military forces of this day and age with your logic pared with a taliban mod is offensive and should he removed
If we had to make everything so that every single person liked it, nothing would ever be made
I understand your argument but there are plenty of mods that are offensive when you argue it
Seriously since when have people been fine with simulating an ongoing war for entertainment?!? It’s so sad to see how far the Arma community has fallen.
At this rate, we'd have to take down every single mod on the workshop because someone could find offense in it
"victims" you mean the terrorists supported by a fascist gov? But well lets just shut the fuck up and leave this chat in peace
I mean the kids and innocents bombed
You talk too much shit just like all of them
But how i said
Shut up
Leave the guys alone
Dont start it again please
No need to get angry
Doesn’t matter really we all continued to argue

Operation harsh doorstop,ready or not mods,arma 3, arma 2, many other games
Hey, we're stopping this now, it's tiring and no one is going to back down so it's a waste of time
Alright
Sorry to reignite this conversation but civilians are not terrorists, you can’t start it by saying innocent children and people getting on with there lives are terrorists and leave it at that and avoid any confrontation by saying “just leave it at that” if you want to support the killing of these people which was one of the biggest reasons Russia and Ukraine are even at war in the first place he my guest but no one should be encouraging the deaths of civilians like you do, at least I’ll condemn the Russians for attacking civilians you will just condemn it by calling them terrorists 🙃
No further discussions about previous messages, we've already flooded this channel enough, pretty please with a cherry on top
Sorry lmao 😂
I don't think anyone here is interested in anyone's political views, because creativity will always be a reflection of current moods, views and things that are happening in the world
At this rate, we should delete all World War II games
“That is ongoing” read before you type
so you propose to wait until the conflict is over and only then release a mod that has anything to do with this war?
people's reactions will be the same as they are now, nothing will change
so if I am offended by the flag of a country in mod, the mod should be removed?
Maybe a little longer after it ends but yes, I’m fine with the clothing just not the patch’s for ether sides
From that point on it’s a grey line
I love the mod! Hope to see more gear and uniforms for the Russians like Russia GF and other stuff. this makes RHS Russian’s looks plain lol
The baggier look of these clothes look better and more realistic
Hell yeah
Umm maybe for uniforms. If we were to start getting vehicles like BMD and VDV buggy for this mod maybe
What mod for the vehicle symbol
you will see more gear we work on it for the next update
the next update is for Next weekend
You actual Muppet. From this I want all mods that include an American and any NATO country's flag removed due to their hate commited on me in the middle east and how they have absolutely ruined it. It's "otherwise objectional or offensive"
Eastern European conflict assets
Nope. Although it's a public chat room it's their mod. Their mod page their rules.
I'll stop my going here though to respect the wishes of the team bringing this war to reforger 🔥
More Gorka stuff like EMR Gorka would be nice 🤣
@gritty sapphire Ban Sneaky, personal insults.
Tbh can’t tell if your trolling here, I agree with you on the patches but this to far
How is being called a "Muppet" worthy of a ban?
enough, i’ll read back soon. for now slowdown is 6h
I mean he's never not insulting someone but it's not really that big of a deal
He’s not gonna do any I bet you. If it was “against” there TOS then the mod even would already be gone. Shoot…this showroom wouldn’t even be here. Same thing with mods that did violate TOS the show room was removed quite quickly and the mod removed quite quickly as well. Just be YOU feel offended doesn’t mean everyone else does. No one’s going to just cater to you.
Like womp womp..if people wanna do it and it’s not against BI’s TOS your opinion doesn’t matter.
I love this mod not due to any political reasons (i really dont have any views) but because the gear is dope and I can see this being a W to people who dont like US gear. Keep up to great work
Mod is sick, only downside is the EMR's texture work, but i'm aware of it being reowrked, keep it up lads!
it isn’t worthy of a ban, but a formal warning, just like your ape comment. issued
we (RHS members) do NOT portray or allow anyone else to portray the russian invasion into ukraine. It is out content and our prerogative.
on the subject of this particular thread - while i am personally against the direct portrayal of a ongoing conflicts
it’s not up to me but BI to make such decision. I have already asked further up the chain.
Please do NOT continue this sort of argument here anymore, for the moment if you do not like the portrayal of RU forces in the ongoing invasion (including mentioned markings) please do not use this particular mod.
Does anyone know if it reskins AI??
Doesn’t
Oof that’s a big disappointment, either way uniforms look amazing just was in hope to see a mod that wasn’t RHS to provide a possible replacement of Cold War AI without addition of 3.0 GB
I love how these uniforms look more bulky idk if it's just me but they actually look dressed for eastern Europe
Less slim more fit for actual combat in cold or muddy positions