enfusion_model

[delicate condor]

🤔

[shell hedge]

oh yea I have actually never seen the optimize meshes thing to break anything yet

wonder what algo is being used for it

[daring condor]

have you read the normals bible?

(its not called that i just call it that)

https://www.artstation.com/blogs/typhen/GMyG/this-is-normal-1-what-normal-maps-are-and-how-they-work

five relatively short articles that basically explain almost everything you should know about normals and a lot about the theory behind baking

[covert dune]

I'm very new to baking and only did my very first bake recently

[daring condor]

read that then

[covert dune]

So I should probably take a look, thanks.

[tacit eagle]

@covert dune you use edge sharp? It's necessary unless it's a really high detailed mesh that has angle faces of around 10 to 30 degrees

[covert dune]

Never really found out how to use it. I can imagine what it does, just not sure what it corresponds to

[tacit eagle]

... OK let me show you

[covert dune]

It seems to create very hard edges in your smoothing, unless I'm missing the point. Not sure what that's good for though.

[tacit eagle]

well not everything can have a 3 bevels on it

like if you model a sloted screw

you are not gonna bevel this

[daring condor]

man those suck to model, no good way to get subD to work

unless you go nuts on density

[tacit eagle]

you see its 90degrees to save on polys

[covert dune]

Yep ofc

[tacit eagle]

@daring condor I have high poly of a bunch of screws man

[daring condor]

oh god

fair enough

i just hate modelling them

[tacit eagle]

its really easy to make, I just retopo a cad screw from mastercar

[daring condor]

also that one isnt as bad

[tacit eagle]

so its very accurate

[daring condor]

i mean the slotted ones in particular

they suck

[covert dune]

But I still fail to understand what you mean / what Mark Sharp is good for. Bake a highpoly onto a lowpoly hard edge and boom, fake bevel.

[tacit eagle]

you can use it for a high poly but typically you don't since its usually a highly sub d so its not needed

this can be used for baking as a high poly.

its not ideal

but just a example

[covert dune]

Ahh, so a fairly okay-ish alternative to having to subdivide this

[tacit eagle]

Yeah I still hate this method tho. nothing is better than a good sub d mesh no matter how many times you play with the normals

[covert dune]

Subdivision is my arch enemy right now, but I'm still gonna stick to it. It looks nice when you get it proper.

[daring condor]

If you read the article I sent

Mark sharp splits edge normals

[covert dune]

Just read it. Very interesting read, seems to have multiple parts too. 👀

Normals are kind of their own science

[daring condor]

They are just vector math

[fathom elbow]

use CAD for HP there 😛

[daring condor]

Aye

[fathom elbow]

there must be some kind of way to make the bevel algorithm produce something nice around such geometries... when it works for CAD, there has to be a way for mesh too. It just might not be so trivial

if someone finds a solution... you can probably get a few $ from plugin sales

[daring condor]

Blender is actually working on a better bevel algo

But the problem is basically that parametric and polygon models fundamentally don't work the same way

https://youtu.be/16dpUQ57Xv8

They go over some of the concepts, issues and challenges

Associated with bevels in 3d

I think a lot of this can be interesting to non blender users

But the problem with beveling slotted screws is just that it will break catmul Clark subdivision

As does really adding any geometry to a circular object

[half anvil]

Is there any easy way to setup the weights for a shirt?

It sounds hard to weight 51 different bones one by one.

[shell hedge]

auto weighting can give you a start, you may need to tweak some areas after

there is also a limit I believe of max 4 joints per vert

[calm rune]

#enfusion_blender_tools message

[fringe cradle]

Hey guys, kinda having hard time to get templates for 3d humanoid model for blender

anyone can help with that and lead me to the point on wiki where I can download. I remember while ago I did downloaded somehwere

the model was kinda naked guy

[ebon trail]

There is a sample available on BI's git hub

[ebon trail]

https://github.com/BohemiaInteractive

[fringe cradle]

thanks

[covert dune]

Trying out what I learned on this soda can. Made a blockout, now I'm onto making the highpoly and the details I want to bake into the normalmap.

[calm rune]

Time to start replacing my current extremely low quality shirts with something more detailed.

[covert dune]

I think having the pocket hang down a bit in the middle as if well used would be a nice touch. Got a shirt like this and it's the case on there. Just an idea.

[calm rune]

Sounds like your shirt pocket is stretched 🤣

[covert dune]

Yup. I never used it so who knows how that happened. 😆

[rain wadi]

CAD lovers, I've just been introduced to a very interesting software that I didn't know at all (I think it's quite new): Plasticity. Have any of you tried it?

[shell hedge]

I would love if clothing mods for the game came with LODs 😦 on 64 player servers I really feel the frame drops from LOD0 being shown on every person

I'm not saying that they never have LODs and not talking about any specific mod, just putting it out here

[sly bridge]

i would say that generally speaking any proper mod should lods for all its models

[calm rune]

I know that all my assets have LODs 0-4 but it is true 95% of the mods out there only have LOD0 lol.

If any asset in my mod doesn't have LODs it is because I am unaware. So as far as I know they all have proper LODs.

[shell hedge]

its important ok?

it doesn't have to be perfect, but it's massive help, especially for xbox series s users

[calm rune]

Oh I agree completely. TBH when Im making clothing I put console before PC for performance because I know PC will not struggle as much.

[shell hedge]

you'd say that but even my rtx 3080 and ryzen 7950 drops 20 fps sometimes just due to meshes

at least I know where the enemy is!

[calm rune]

I kinda forget that we are in an age of new tech and engine so that shirt above is only like 1800 tris at LOD0. I could have easily used another 700 to make finer detail. Sometimes I still think Im making stuff for A3 lol.

[daring condor]

i heard good and bad things about it

its not cad software

its just parametric software for artists

it lacks cad essentials like tools for using proper units etc

[tacit eagle]

yes I've tried plasticity its not really that good, your better off with freecad which has parametric properties also unit measurements and is much more powerful and imho easier to understand / congruent with a cad package.

also cad to cgi is just a pain

[fathom elbow]

It would be nice if the game's mod system could automatically spit out an "model optimization quality index" (if LOD, how many, how much % optimization, and also material count) and show it when you download it. Or when you view a game asset (in the editor). So that you know what you get, without having to manually check if it fucks up your ingame performance. Mod User QoL improvement...

Even more needed for other games (e.g. city builders), where people create models that are suitable for FPS games, with no LODs or optimization...

[shell hedge]

crash workbench on import if each LOD level doesn't decrease polycount by at least X percent

[calm rune]

Reduction of 40% for each LOD 👌🏻

The belt got a bit janky but that was me being lazy so.. not like it is noticeable from that far out anyway.

[shell hedge]

that last LOD has pockets just like my pants

[sly bridge]

i wouldn’t say a % would be possible in itself, but i would say some warnings would definitely be possible (both for the modder as well as the user)

[fathom elbow]

something, anything, along that line would help

[daring condor]

Bohemia posts your IP name and address on a board of shame if you upload without lods

[fathom elbow]

Editor: "Warning, you have no LOD"
mOdDeR: "Ok, i'll just copy LOD0 several times"
Editor:

[shell hedge]

at that point just have the editor call the police

[covert dune]

Self destruction sequence initiated

[sly bridge]

lol, classic m0DdEr thinking - plenty of these in A3

[shell hedge]

I had one addon out without LODs briefly and I felt horrible

actually I still have one out without LODs

it's a cube tho

[fathom elbow]

there's still the "render for free" thing on modern GPU, that nobody knows actual numbers. How many tris can you render per draw call, without adverse affect.

[covert dune]

Are these values alright for a soda can ? Too high, too low ? For an item to be seen up close, not enviornment object. 😅

[calm rune]

That's fine. There is a beer bottle in game currently that is 1100 tries so. You seem to be safe.

[covert dune]

One of those enviornment ones ? I see. I seem to be in the clear haha. 😆

[calm rune]

Correction. The beer bottle is 514 tris at LOD0.

But I mean if it is something that is going to be animated for drinking then I dont really see what you have being a problem.

[covert dune]

276 tris come from the pulltab of the can, so if LOD1 despawns that instantly, I'm down to 480. I also see how I can reduce the pulltab a bit

I feel like the days of baking pulltabs onto the can are over, so I went with a 3D one

[calm rune]

Its 2023, this gen of consoles can handle a physical pull tab 😅

[covert dune]

"Your pulltab makes my server lag, pls fix, 0/10 mod. "

[shell hedge]

it actually comes up often, even though the server has no graphics card

[fathom elbow]

when done properly... the pull tab has physics simulation. Maybe even deformation calculation. So server better make sure everyone sees the CORRECT simulation. Not just some local shenanigans

[shell hedge]

yeah syncing physics for a pulltab over network would be silly

[fathom elbow]

yeah syncing physics for a pulltab over network would be silly entirely appropriate
there fixed it for you

[shell hedge]

based

[deft owl]

What mesh do I need to hide for hands? currently they protrude through my glove

[shell hedge]

Hand_L and Hand_R?

[deft owl]

Didnt work 😦

[shell hedge]

well those are definitely the hand meshes haha

[tidal latch]

is it like one piece uniform?

if yes, is it in jacket or pants slot?

[deft owl]

One piece under jacket slot

I modified the character base prefab to add the hands to the hide mesh array but no success

Oh wait i misunderstood. No, it is multiple pieces. Helmet, torso, pants, boots, and backpack. But the gloves are part of the torso piece

[shell hedge]

failing that set scale of hand bone to 0

[sly bridge]

make sure to have purchase proof of purchase on hand if you wanna release this one

[deft owl]

Any idea what could be the cause?

[tidal latch]

Try to add it to Pants

[low leaf]

Womp...none of my mods have LODs yet, for I am lazy 😭

[delicate condor]

🔔Shaaaame

[shell hedge]

[low leaf]

I did shrink my vehicle mod sizes down from 500MB to <100MB though by using PBRMultis, so I got that going for me 🙂

[shell hedge]

pbrmulti is very cool

[lost bloom]

Hi, I am making a map for south lebanon, does any one know where i could get a free set of house models like these for the city "Tyre" south lebanon?

Or will i have to make them myself?

[delicate condor]

you pretty much will need to make them yourself. Even if by some miracle you found building models that look ok, they would not be game ready and fit the game which would mean you would need to basically remake them

[lost bloom]

Ok. I also need textures. I'm new to map making, but will quixel megascan library work? I need some sand models for the beaches. I mean is there a way to conver the imgage files for the textures into image paintable textures?

[delicate condor]

Dont know much about megascan stuff, probably they can be used somehow.

but also make sure their license allows that kind of use

[lost bloom]

Its not for money so its fine i think

Its epic games texture software, so many textrues

[karmic adder]

You are only allowed to use the 50 free Megascans assets (https://quixel.com/megascans/free), not the other stuff, unless you paid for them or it's an Unreal project. It doesn't matter if it's commercial use or not.

[delicate condor]

I know about it, just not much about licensing or what the files are like

[karmic adder]

There are however quite a few websites that actually offer many free assets, but not Megascans.

[sly bridge]

as said previously, megascans files are ok ONLY if you have bought these. This is not Unreal, so nope cannot do, no matter if it is commercial or not.
https://quixel.com/pricing

[lost bloom]

Theoretically, what would happen if i do use them?

Theoretically

[sly bridge]

if you cannot provide proof of purchase / ownership, you'll get banned from BI official channels, have your files removed from their workshop and have your account restricted

[lost bloom]

Theoretically if i dont publish the map?

[sly bridge]

what you do on your own PC without (re)distribution doesn't really concern anyone but yourself. That changes the moment you make that available as an addon (privately or otherwise)

[lost bloom]

Does any one know any good and free texture website?

[low leaf]

https://www.textures.com/

There are already a ton of textures available in Reforger you can use

Check out ArmaReforger\Assets_SharedData

[sly bridge]

#enfusion_texture if the conversation changed from model making to texture related

[waxen mango]

just save up some money and buy them bro

not worth wasting your time just to lose your work because you didn’t go the extra mile to buy some models.

[sly bridge]

he is talking about textures btw

[waxen mango]

whatever it is, point still stands🤷🏼‍♂️

[lost bloom]

Im not gonna waste money if there is free stuff

[sly bridge]

in general it surely isn't of the same quality

[lost bloom]

still

[low leaf]

You can model a 3d house in blender in 10 minutes

There are a bunch of window models already in reforger

[lost bloom]

Ik, but i forgot most of how to do it

Plus we r talking about lebanon, so there are tens or hundreds of different house models, its not like europe where evry house is the same

So i have to make somemethod to creat modular houses maybe

so it looks more natural

[low leaf]

Check out Buildify

[lost bloom]

is it free?

It looks like exactly what i need

[low leaf]

It is free

Even has a modular desert kit

[lost bloom]

I said lebanon, not saudi

Its not a desert

[low leaf]

Sorry I thought the Syrian desert was right over the border still

[sly bridge]

ahmm, generalization much?

[lost bloom]

What do you mean

[lost bloom]

This is the map i want to make,

[tacit eagle]

you can also try making your own textures using photos there are many ways to do from working inside of blender or gimp

[lost bloom]

If they already exist why should i bother recreating the wheel

[tacit eagle]

1 because other people can tell where you got them from
2 you can make it look exactly the way you want
3 some times its your only option

[lost bloom]

1 idc
2 you have a point
3 its not

[shell hedge]

if we didnt reinvent the wheel we wouldnt have tyres

[tacit eagle]

ural has hexagonal tires

[lost bloom]

They didn't reinvent it, it was just improved, as does everything over time.

[shell hedge]

look either model the buildings or source them from somewhere, paid or free

[lost bloom]

Ill probably have to model them, or make my friend model them for me for free lol

[fathom elbow]

"a friend modelled it for me" ... i have heard that before

[surreal ore]

Steals entire Megascans library - "a friend made it all for me, for free"

[lost bloom]

Wdym, i have a friend who models on blender, ill just tell him about the project, and maybe he does it for me if he is interested.

I would "never" do that.

[tacit eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/ladron-glass-vidrio-thief-thief-wrong-door-gif-12111326

[delicate condor]

would be better if it was actually never and not a joke to you

[lost bloom]

Too bad its hilarious

I dont want to get banned so obviously i wont do it

[low leaf]

I'm pretty sure the best way is to use the blender arcgis plugin, get the heightmap and texture maps to use as reference to paint

Have I mentioned the Reforger tool as a plethora of landscaping materials to use?

[delicate condor]

game terrain plugin for QGIS can be far more simpler tools for terrain source data

[daring condor]

how different is it from blenderGIS?

[tacit eagle]

the blender one is probably better because you can always edit the terrain in blender / texture paint it

and export that

[delicate condor]

its made to get the kind of data arma map making uses and cut it to right size

[daring condor]

mmm seems interesting enough

i should have learned qgis this semester but it was an online exam, so everyone just straight up cheated by using old exams 😅

well i guess technically it was open book so...

[delicate condor]

cheating in schools is silly

but I suppose younger folk dont always think ahead that they might actually want to/need to use that knowledge

[shell hedge]

terrain editing in 3d modeling tools doesn't make sense when tools made specifically for it exist and can generate textures and weathering for you

for real data with qgis I would recommend SRTM or whatever the NASA downloader was

[daring condor]

For Europe eu-dem works too

[shell hedge]

I used srtm thingy to download a heightmap of japan too and it was fine, kinda offtopic for this channel tho

[delicate condor]

it does make sense if you want to fit massive object elements with the terrain though

[shell hedge]

wat do u mean

[delicate condor]

well stuff like this for example

[shell hedge]

dont you do that in uh workbench tho?

like placing stuff

[tacit eagle]

he means like incorporating objects that fit the terrain, like big tunnels

[delicate condor]

you can but not stuff like this 😄

[shell hedge]

I guess it depends on if the terrain is a heightmap or not, right? I assumed a heightmap

I've never actually seen a video game level building workflow in a 3d modeling tool, it was always putting things together in unity editor or whatever (outside of old game engines that essentially required modeling level geometry)

[delicate condor]

though this project is mainly for A3 where tools are less development. but when I bring this stuff to enfusion workflow for it wont change

[delicate condor]

terrain is heightmap, not an issue to edit and export it out

[shell hedge]

sure I've baked heightmaps out of 3d tools before, usually by just slapping a gradient along UV V and rendering using orthographic camera

[delicate condor]

3d modelig tools allow certain level of more control with objects present in the same scene for extreme accuracy

also when those same objects are developed in the same tools they can be developed at the same time

[shell hedge]

so you then export something like position and rotation of the object and stuff?

[delicate condor]

but this does require the models to be custom so you have access to the source

[delicate condor]

yes

[shell hedge]

alright I guess it makes sense, most of this is done inside the in-engine editor nowadays

[delicate condor]

well they dont still allow the same amount of control that easily.

[shell hedge]

remember to invert Z position when exporting to an enfusion world tho

[delicate condor]

but its also not something most people would need

still hoping enfusion will support the map size I need in the future

[shell hedge]

just do 32k but scale down everything

[delicate condor]

that just makes everything look like toys

[shell hedge]

not really, if everything is scaled down (except terrain)

[delicate condor]

Im not very confident things would work right scaled down

[shell hedge]

probably

[covert dune]

"In Enfusion, after all these years things are finally 1-1 with real life!"
Modders: Hm, what if I scale my world down
"..."

[tacit eagle]

what if the devs just gave us what we need 😦 or atleast if not possible now say in the future

[shell hedge]

could be nice for something like a vehicle-only gamemode

planes and stuff

[covert dune]

Well today I actually thought to myself how little value vehicles both in Arma and DayZ have. Atleast if you go away from a rolling fortress with a cannon and think more about transportation. The world is big, but not big enough to space out the locations to where walking is boring. You will always reach a POI fast enough where walking will always be enjoyable. If maps were bigger and locations more spaced out, boy you better make sure your vehicle doesn't flip.

But offtopic now. 😛

[tacit eagle]

smol maps and big mapz have their place

[inner girder]

Going to need at least 100sq miles on a map for aircraft in the future at the very minimum I’d think

[unreal sable]

hi guys, i'm about to start modeling some buildings for my map in blender and have a ton of questions.

1. I made a small test and tried to add some materials in blender but when i exported to fbx I realized the materials arent with the model and i needed to reimport them in the workbench, so texturing and adding all the nodes in blender is a waste of time? or there is a way to bring those materials settings into enfusion?

2. I watched a video on assets pipeline creation from a guy of bohemia and he talks about some concepts like LODs and Colliders but I cannot find a video tutorial on blender on how to do that. does the LODs of the same model overlap in a different layer? How do I create them? seems decimate could be sueful, is there another alternative? I heard a sofware years ago called polygon cruncher that might do the work.

3. Same question for colliders. they are geometric objects. do you add them in enfusion, or do you need to include them in a hidden layer in blender?

4. how do this work with destruction, for example glass windows?

5. Once you imported all the elements separated, you shuold add them to a prefab. is there a good video tutorial about this? prefab creation.

thanks guys

sorry if I ask a ton of questions but the lack of clear documentation and video tutorials makes the learning curve to high

[inner girder]

Answer to #2 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KRRPreI6SNM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v1xBGuxTqfI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8dtffLC_QEs

[surreal ore]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:FBX_Import

Everything you need to know specifically about the modeling portion. Also included stuff about probes and volumes. Which are needed for buildings.

[unreal sable]

thanks i'm going to review that

i ahve installed the blender enfusion tools addon, how do i use Bohemia Blender Tools addon to properly match material name(stored in FBX) -> emat?

[unreal sable]

what does " Non orthogonal transformation on collider" means? i used a box and scaled to fit all my rectangular model

[glossy lynx]

Make sure you only scale box collider in object mode
Scaling them in edit mode will lead to non orthogonal transformations

[unreal sable]

ahh ok i'm going to try

thanks

[tacit eagle]

you mean the opposite, scaleing in object mode leads to strange scaling issues

like bevels not working like how they should

[unreal sable]

does the collider needs a texture?

i'm still having a warning " Wrong&patched resource GUID in @"Models/Letreros-drogueria/drogueria_rebajada.xob" for property UBX_sign_drogueria resource name @"material/metal.gamemat""

[glossy lynx]

Not for box colliders were there are no textures

[glossy lynx]

You can set this in the import settings

[unreal sable]

can you show me where? the only settings on import was treat it as model or treat as animation pop up

[glossy lynx]

open the xob then on the right bottom go to import settings

[unreal sable]

ok, tested assigning a material with only color, same result

[glossy lynx]

Under geometry params
Change your colliders layerpreset to something like buildingfireview
Change the material to what you want

[unreal sable]

ok i reimported

no warning icon in colliders but still warning in console

RESOURCES : Rebuilding @"Models/Letreros-drogueria/drogueria_rebajada.xob"
RESOURCES : GetResourceObject @"{A7D3C5FE61E6660A}Models/Letreros-drogueria/drogueria_rebajada.xob"
RESOURCES (E): Wrong&patched resource GUID in @"Models/Letreros-drogueria/drogueria_rebajada.xob" for property UBX_sign_drogueria resource name @"empty.gamemat"
RESOURCES : GetResourceObject @"{9CB4F07355FC8330}empty.gamemat"
RESOURCES (E): Failed to open
RESOURCES : Build successful
PROFILING : Rebuilding took: 251.893500 ms

materials are ok, i only have 2

and placing seems ok

i'm going to ignore that warning on import, let's hope notting wrong happens in future

thank you guys, i learned a lot today!!

humm, seems collider is not working, no colision or bullets when i shoot it

😦

[glossy lynx]

Did you install the blender tools?

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Enfusion_Blender_Tools:_Objects_Tools

[unreal sable]

yes

[glossy lynx]

Use the blender tools to set the collider properties then re-import

After re-importing if it still does not work go back to geometry params and hit the back arrow and then the re-import button

[unreal sable]

ok now i got this window in blender tools

ok seems i understand now

ok, small improvement. now i hear the metal sound when i fire at it

still traspassing object

tesating adding a rigid body component

i did it

😄

now i cannot traspass it

thanks

still missing the bullets holes

but i'm closer

[glossy lynx]

Your collider might not be accurate enough if you are not getting bullet holes

[unreal sable]

yes, you are right, i got only in the back, but in the front of the sign where other texture is i got nothing because it has dept

this is the collider, just a big box

[glossy lynx]

Just try to get it as close as possible
Or make another collider just for the firegeo

[unreal sable]

yeah,

how can i inspect the collider type of physic used in other objects?

[glossy lynx]

open the collider tab when looking at the xob

[unreal sable]

thanks

[willow sage]

1.This is not right Channel for this kind of issue.
2.You should evaluate it a bit.

[unborn wagon]

Hit up the UC Berkeley Library to grab me some of the plans for frank lloyd wrights eichlers. These are going to be a blast to clear when they're ready to be added to my terrain

[tacit eagle]

I need help with finding out where I can reset vertex colors in Blender, it used to be very easy to find, but now I seem to not be able to find it.

[fathom bolt]

In vertex tab

[shell hedge]

Current material class MatPBRTreeCrown doesn't support needed vertex format (VDNormal), object ghillie.xob (material Assets/data/ghilie_suit.emat)

what is a VDNormal vertex format?

[unborn wagon]

some rocks I made inspired by the geology of Marin County California

[tacit eagle]

It looks rock hard 🥵

[vale zephyr]

Can’t wait for a oil rig mod

[glossy lynx]

I have been thinking about that as well, especially now that I have figured out climbing back into ships

[shell hedge]

geology rocks, it's really cool but most people take it for granite

I love environment assets a lot

I used to spend a lot of time making procedural rocks, usually with voxel volumes and then eroding them

[thin radish]

where are the doors located?

[covert dune]

Assets>Structures>BuildingParts>Doors ?

[thin radish]

okay thanks

[shell hedge]

sorry for bump, anyone has ideas about this?

[tacit eagle]

i think VD stands for vertical direction

is this for mudhaus substance paintar?

[sly bridge]

@vale zephyr - wrong place, read pins

[vale zephyr]

My bad

[tacit eagle]

What I personally think is happening is that the bushman suit you are trying to use has im guessing pbr material that only in the vertical direction.

[shell hedge]

I don't know what "mudhaus substance paintar" is but the error I've got is from Workbench

[tacit eagle]

well what ever vd is you gonna have to make a new material for it to use it in the workbench

[shell hedge]

I'm getting this error when applying a material on a mesh in Workbench, I am interested in understanding what this error is about

[tacit eagle]

where is rayhard when you need him

[shell hedge]

the material is tree crown class, something must be different about the tree meshes vs my mesh

[neon pewter]

Somebody got a oil rig model in the workshop but it’s not called oil rig they name it something random and use it for there server don’t know what it’s called tho

[vale zephyr]

Ok

[tacit eagle]

@summer fulcrum why?

[last parcel]

this is not a request channel..

[summer fulcrum]

Sorry I just seen the moddles in here an thought I would ask sorry if it isn't aloud

[sly bridge]

it isn’t, read pins - thread cleaned

[rancid laurel]

may be wrong since im not a modder but if the model is taken directly from MW2 it may be a IP problem as well

[summer fulcrum]

Just wanted the face cover really not the full suit

[delicate condor]

In any case, if you get lucky someone might one day make one

in case you want to learn how to, this channel can point you to right direction

[rancid laurel]

double check with someone else, but I think the model cant be directly taken from MW2, rather it have be home made i believe????

[delicate condor]

it has to be self made yes, ripping from any game is forbidden

[rancid laurel]

^

[summer fulcrum]

I will be keeping my eye out for these or anything similar there is frogman moddles on google but i dont have a clue on that kind of modding

[sly bridge]

this channel emphasis is on makers. let’s stay on topic

[fluid fern]

Hey, nobody tell me whats is difference of this Building preset?

[tidal latch]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Collision_Layer

ps, in 90% of cases you shouldn't use Layer Preset override in Rigid Body. Instead you should assign Layer Preset per collider in model itself (alternatively, in import settings of model)

[fluid fern]

Yep anyway when exporting colliders I put BuildingFireView, but is it normal that the building is not visible on the 2D map in game?

[tidal latch]

take a look at vanilla building - I think there is some component for 2d map visibility

[tacit eagle]

@tidal latch "Current material class MatPBRTreeCrown doesn't support needed vertex format (VDNormal), object ghillie.xob (material Assets/data/ghilie_suit.emat)"
what is a VDNormal vertex format?

[heady cloak]

hey guys im currently making a map based upon Bakhmut and need a lot of Soviet apartment models, is there anywhere I would be able to get these, Thank you.

[delicate condor]

unless you make them yourself, no

[stark jolt]

Anyone know a good way to do gloves?

They are such a pain and I can never get them to look good around the characters hands.

[heady cloak]

time to watch some blender videos I guess lol

[tacit eagle]

@stark jolt yeah use shrink-wrap and snapping

[shell hedge]

soviet apartment buildings are just cubes with holes

[covert dune]

Buildings actually seem one of the more simpler things to do. No high-low, just smoothing groups as far as I saw

[tacit eagle]

you can do bevel bake

for normals

on the buildings

you can get some really good results like that

I kind a dont want to attempt making buildings until destruction is available

[surreal ore]

Me too man. Me too.

[tacit eagle]

and when you do your low poly for gloves makes sure your bendy geometry have more or equal vertices

less will give you dumb results like your hands poking through when they are animated

[shell hedge]

just hide the hand mesh when gloves are equipped

unless it doesn't work

[tacit eagle]

can you hide hands and not fingies?

[zenith quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1042723550110425119/1088223276104417280/image.png

Clipozine go brrr.

[shell hedge]

I swear there was a game that called all mags clipazines

ah nvm it was cursed halo

[stark jolt]

Well done @zenith quartz

[zenith quartz]

Thanks!

[leaden trench]

C4D users, is it possible to set collider usage property in C4D? If so, how?

[shell hedge]

haven't found a way to do it, can set surface materials tho

thing is C4D does not read this property from the fbx as well so there isn't much hope for exporting it

[shell hedge]

very pog

can I see the LODs of the machine gun tho (when you get to it)

[lavish vigil]

It has 4 lods

16k for the lod0

[shell hedge]

I'm always interested in seeing LODs for things like the barrel on the weapon, it has holes

[stark jolt]

I used shrink-wrap and this is the result I got.

[delicate condor]

duplicate the hand and use inset faces to grow it out

boom you have same mesh but larger

[stark jolt]

Might be a dumb question but how do I duplicate the faces?

[delicate condor]

select faces in edit mode. shift +D to duplicate. Blender manual can also be used to figure out many of the tools

#arma3_model message

some reference from A3 channel

principle is the same

[delicate condor]

and P to separate the mesh into its own object which is easier to handle

[shell hedge]

bruh that's the simplest and best idea to get a basic glove

[delicate condor]

👍 yep 😄

preserves weighting too

[surreal ore]

The problem lies in the fingernails

[shell hedge]

you're supposed to trim the nails

just dont inflate them idk

[delicate condor]

little bit of vertex merging and they are not there anymore

[daring condor]

Or just delete and replace the finger tips

[lavish vigil]

for my WW2 Mod Tank and Radio operator headset

aswell as NCO cap

[faint scarab]

Hi all, just a question. I try to import a shirt prefab I've bought, but it seems like a toy... i mean is a little shirt, as a miniature, standing on the floor and it's impossible to wear. Some tips about this issue? I'm not a modder, just trying to help my team customize the equipment. Tag me in the answer please, I don't join discord every day and I wouldn't want to miss your advice!

[stark jolt]

What spine do you guys usually bind vests and their pouches too?

[last hill]

I generally do 5 as it is higher up, just rotate the skeleton bone and see how much of the body rotates, pick the bone you want the vest to stick with on rotation, then test.

[last hill]

Follow the tutorials on the wiki, it explains import and export settings, especially scale. You can force the scale up in the workbench in import settings but it is easier to set your scale properly in your 3d software.

[lavish vigil]

My stug 3 G texture not finished yet some small details are still missing but it think is comming together

[lethal frigate]

Amazing

[barren galleon]

Sweet

[faint scarab]

Thx Merc. This is the only tutorial I can find on the Wiki about import/export but there is no info about scaling or anything else. Now I'm studying how to scale from 3d software but I still have my problems. I know there's a long way to become a modder or create something working and that's the price to pay... patience and time!
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Enfusion_Blender_Tools:_Import/Export_Animation

Thanks anyway for the answer!

[ancient walrus]

Can we have several penetration / material files on one component iE. Metal and glass ?. When I’m exporting from blender and then into workbench only one material is plied to the component
Cheers in advance

[tidal latch]

if I recall correctly it is only possible on trimeshes (UTM)

[ancient walrus]

Cheers I’ll check it out much appreciated

[surreal ore]

And when you import make sure Merge Meshes (or whatever it's called) is unchecked

[frigid wedge]

Is there a tutorial on how to get the object from Blender into the mission as an .xob file? I've installed the plugin on Blender and exported but it's only coming in as the following:

[finite quartz]

You have to import it with the Workbench

[frigid wedge]

Sorry, where is the option for that, and which file do I import? I enabled the net API as per the wiki instructions

[finite quartz]

You Go in the Workbench in the folder where IT IS saved. There should be the fbx and you right click IT an import it

[frigid wedge]

Thanks!

[young shard]

What's the Arma Characters height?

He like 5'9?

[sly bridge]

180ish cm (you can check the samples for exact number)

[young shard]

Oh yeah I was correct in my guess. The Reforger Guy is 5'9.

[fathom bolt]

Nice and smooth barrel

[stark jolt]

My gloves are perfectly fitted in blender but in game they are off to the left a bit not covering the whole hand. How do I fix this?

[stark jolt]

is there any other work around like hiding hand meshes when the gloves mesh is applied in the engine?

Gloves are driving me up a wall

[safe turtle]

make a model with out hands? Well you would loose the ability to take them off

[last hill]

In the prefab, inside the cloth component is the mesh override hide, click + and add hand_r and then hand_l

Just keep in mind that the hand includes some of the wrist so you will need to check the length of your glove.

When you remove the glove your hand will reappear.

The fact it is offset makes think your weights are wrong which will result in the hand not gripping properly as once the hand mesh is hidden, your glove will become the character hand.

[wicked jasper]

Is there some kind of tutorial i missed for how to setup the vertex groups in blender for car creation?

[tidal latch]

there are dozens of tutorials how to set vertex group in Blender on Youtube. There is no enfusion related magic related to it

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Weapon_Creation/Asset_Preparation#Mesh_Skinning you can use this as reference though

[ancient walrus]

yes it was unchecked , the question for clarity was in regards to multiple faces on a single component having differing material files.

[normal quail]

I have a car with a front wing, I have separated this into its own model and created a prefab and have registered damage. I am just testing at the moment so the health is set to 1. Idea is if you collide with something you lose the front wing. I cant actually get this to work. I have a vehicle simple collider on the wing though, when I crash into something its just using my parents collider and not the prefabs. Any pointers?

[ancient walrus]

until a more educated person comes a long i was thinking of hiding the wing and using a particle shaped like the wing to fly off , at this point i`m not even sure what the engine is capable of and less so what the VFX destruction mechanism does 🙂 (Yet) @normal quail

[normal quail]

Yeah I am thinking of parking this idea for the moment. I really would love a damage model as its a race car, so if you hit the wing, its removed and that effects performance of the vehicle. Incentive is not to bloody crash 🤣 I love the damage terrain objects so I was hoping it would be possible with vehicles and I think it is in this engine. Although, I can not get my collider on the wing to work, as I hit something, I am driving through it until I hit the parents (the cars) collider. The collider was working when it was one model but as soon as I separated the model and added the wing as a slot, I have lost the physics

[shell hedge]

is the wing a child prefab in hierarchy or is it part of parent in a slot manager component?

[normal quail]

Part of parent in slot manager component

I have pretty much copied the UAZ roof prefab to a certain extent

[shell hedge]

do you have a simple collider as part of your wing with correct layer preset?

[normal quail]

I do yes

[shell hedge]

does it fall off when you shoot it?

[normal quail]

nope, infact the game crashes when I shoot it 😂

[shell hedge]

ok so something is wonky with the colliders

make sure they have correct layer preset and are not merged (uncheck merge in import window)

[normal quail]

ah there are merged

Okay I will uncheck that

[shell hedge]

uncheck click reimport and shoot it

[shell hedge]

vehicle simple should work

is this a UCX?

[normal quail]

it is

I also have a fiewview and a vehicle complez

[shell hedge]

so merge trimeshes thing shouldnt have anything to do with it

if you send me model of the wing I can try to repro

[normal quail]

yeah I am crashing when i shoot it

[shell hedge]

dont care if it has the wing or not you can just put in a cube

but I'd like to see the colliders

[normal quail]

thanks @shell hedge i sent you a dm with the fbx

[ancient walrus]

it was UTM for multiple cheers for that , strange in the Model editor though it only shows one material represented but there are 4 when i shoot , would be nice to see them all but not a game breaker , any ideas ?

[slim knoll]

I need help rigging a car and adding colliders for it. No matter what, it just doesnt work. I will be EXTREMELY glad for any help you give me regarding this pain.

[shell hedge]

no luck with doing your vehicle like the sample vehicle?

that one works

[slim knoll]

I tried it that way. But i neeed to rig it and add colliders

[tidal latch]

#enfusion_model message

[fathom bolt]

WIP FAMAS

[shell hedge]

idk if it's perspective or not but it looks like a weapon for giants

I imagine it firing 120mm shells

[fathom bolt]

Yes it’s big but just for checking no worries

[shell hedge]

I made a scale mistake once but decided to go with it and replaced bullets in the mag with HE underbarrel grenades

[fathom bolt]

no problem always solutions

[ancient walrus]

Any clues on why Bones would be omitted from the FBX import ? i `ve tried the samplecar for a refference and the bones are not in the xob after register and import ? ( latest git hub samples ) Cheers in advance

[shell hedge]

Check export skinning in the import settings

[ancient walrus]

perfect bacon cheers

[ancient walrus]

In the Sample mod of the car the Lights and glass are proxied , i see in the tute on the wiki it says to seperate them but i dont see how to edit them in the workbench , IE select and edit the mesh of the proxied glass or Lights , anyone an idea ?

[wicked jasper]

Everytime i try to import my fbx my workbench just freezes and doesnt reply to anything - does anyone had this issue before?

[ancient walrus]

ive had it hang but it eventually comes in sometimes if click on another editor tab and back like world it seems to help

[astral hull]

Shutdown the workbench, import, reopen

Then right click reimport

[woven swallow]

everyone making guns.. and here I am making churches lol

[pure kayak]

structure makers are the real chads dont worry

[covert dune]

🙏

[misty solstice]

Fr

[safe turtle]

I think everyone who invested time into learning 3D modeling is naturally based. Go peps go!

[sly bridge]

what?

[misty solstice]

That structure makers are chad/goats

I was sayin For real bc they are chad I was agreeing

[sly bridge]

then next time use full phrases. Also unless you are a model maker yourself and you actively participate in this channel, please refrain from posting, especially 2 digit things

[misty solstice]

Whatever dawg I gotchu

[calm rune]

Time to start making some headgear I think.

[frigid wedge]

Running into this issue in Blender trying to set colliders, does anyone know how to set them up or has a tutorial handy?

[glossy lynx]

Is it in a collection named collider?

[pure kayak]

did you manually fold that in MD?

[calm rune]

Indeed!

[tidal latch]

Set collider prefix in the name of bag object

[shell hedge]

one day I hope I will be able to export collider layer presets and mass through fbx without using blender (or 3ds etc)

[slim knoll]

How exactly are colliders made. I saw the mini-discussion above but it didnt make me any smarter. I got the car rig but I dont know how to make the collider.

[tidal latch]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:FBX_Import#Collider_shape

[covert dune]

I managed to make something that makes support loops flow nicely and subdivides well for once. Smol success.

[shell hedge]

I'm proud of you

[covert dune]

Thanks

[tacit eagle]

add one loopa after the circle to control it

[covert dune]

True

[sly bridge]

does blender do pixar’s opensubdiv + creases?

[daring condor]

Yes, regular catmul Clark subdivision with creases

[daring condor]

Why do you have so many edges?

Oh I see now

You should try to terminate holding edges when they are not necessary

[covert dune]

Also true, for now I was just happy to finally not have seemingly random pinching somewhere.

Most times just when I think I got rid of the pinching, my 'fix' just created another pinch elsewhere. Pain.

Thankfully here it all flowed nicely.

[eager hill]

Instead of support loops you can use bevel modifier. It has an option to influence edges based of their bevel weight. Then you only have to select the edges you'd put support loops around and set bevel weight on them to 1. You can do it with ctrl + shift + E

[covert dune]

Oh I did this exact thing before, but it didn't work that well so I'm trying support loops from now on.

Sometimes the bevel modifier just gets confused and doesn't know how certain things should look. 🥴

[delicate condor]

You can also use it with vertex groups and have multiple bevel modifiers chained one after another.

[covert dune]

[daring condor]

Support loops are more versatile and give better control tho

You can run into issues using bevels

Also when subd modelling don't be afraid of ngons

Especially pents can help on curved surfaces

[sly bridge]

learning the old school subd is mandatory no matter what

[daring condor]

(they are just an n-pole -subd level)

Kebab emperor has some good guides

Also Frank polygon on the polycount forums

https://polycount.com/discussion/56014/how-the-f-do-i-model-this-reply-for-help-with-specific-shapes-post-attempt-before-asking

This thread is invaluable imho

[shell hedge]

I want a site like this, that literally just stores shapes and info like this

[daring condor]

Polycount already exists

Just download a local copy of the thread

[sly bridge]

also, this -> https://www.artstation.com/artwork/0n93EV

[covert dune]

I actually read through that recently, the author showed it on the Flipped Normals Discord

Very interesting read

[shell hedge]

181 pages, yeah that's why I'd like a site with a catalog, maybe one day

[daring condor]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/RyY43W

[shell hedge]

bookmarked

thank you

[covert dune]

Damn that actually looks neat

Thanks

[daring condor]

Guy has more guides on his sketchbook

He's working on a texturing write-up atm

[lethal frigate]

how do i setup that envivroment probe inside object i put it inside and i add it to the model as a child but nothing happends

[tacit eagle]

I just use booleans

I make shirt out of booleans

[covert dune]

Do you have a probe box volume ? If you search for probe in this channel you will often read about it.

[lethal frigate]

Aight ima take look into that

[lavish vigil]

Panther G First progress of texturing

[tacit eagle]

I like

[covert dune]

Very nice, really gets the heavy duty look across.

[tacit eagle]

maybe up the roughness so its not that reflective

[lethal frigate]

Omg that's amazing

[tacit eagle]

the last time im making a HP for this

[thin radish]

is there a tutorial to import a house?

[tacit eagle]

noaw with more strap

[lavish vigil]

Panther G First set of camo still WIP but its coming along

[summer fulcrum]

Can mods be made on blender from just pictures am new to this kind of modding so just want to no if this is possible

[delicate condor]

you can model things with pictures as reference yes and you can even model without any reference at all. However you will want to start modeling from generic "how do there tools work" tutorials before trying to do something specific

it will take some practice though

[summer fulcrum]

Am watching the dohnut video now so am that new haha

[delicate condor]

thats a starting point. Just keep making stuff and exploring the tools and tutorials

[summer fulcrum]

Yer i will have ago got to start somewhere ay thanks for the help

[shell hedge]

great work, looking forward to seeing this live in the game

by the way, regarding models from previous arma titles being used in mods, how does it work in regards to obtaining the model?

[covert dune]

If you google Arma 2 sample models (or any end of life Arma) you will get BI's page to download their assets.

[shell hedge]

oh nice

I'll try to do a thing, thank you

aw I can't open the p3d in enfusion blender tools

[tidal latch]

are you trying to open unbinarized p3d?

on that website you have two packages - one of it contains source, unbinarized data

[shell hedge]

well I think my blender tools are misconfigured because when I hit import p3d I get an error before I can do anything else

yeah I forgot to enable net api in workbench after the last settings reset

[frigid wedge]

What does this mean?

"Box has wrong extents. BoxCollider UBX_Dirt" - I am trying to import a model from Blender into Enfusion Workbench

[woven swallow]

Door collection. making knobs and locks at the moment.

later windows and light switches

[surreal ore]

Looks good

[shell hedge]

it might not be a box

[unborn wagon]

custom rock asset in

[shell hedge]

looking nice, was it sculpted?

[unborn wagon]

yeah, just with blender

[surreal ore]

Looks good

[zenith quartz]

These are awesome.

[placid rampart]

notifcation

[astral hull]

Is there any program that can automatically re-topo a mesh??

[delicate condor]

sure

no program is perfect with that though

if the source mesh is just very bad, automatic retopo is likely to fail

[tacit eagle]

Quadremesher is the best auto retopology tool out there, its not perfect. You still have to clean up features that it does not include, the edge loops love to spider web into a giant loop and it usually twist the edges of a cyilinder around.

[calm rune]

I’d argue that zRemesher is the best out there but that would require you to own zBrush.

That being said the best retopo is manual retopo.

R3DS Wrap is also an extremely powerful application that forms an existing mesh to the mesh you want it to take shape. You can take a basic LP pants mesh and it will form to any other HP pants mesh.

[daring condor]

same algo as quad remesher

[tacit eagle]

sight picture

[quiet fog]

anyone knows why my reference images are pink? Didnt open the project in a while but they worked last time. The image path is still correct as well, but when i open the folder, it doesnt show any images at all even though there are a couple in there 🤔 https://i.imgur.com/6jWQkLV.png

[tacit eagle]

missing images

[quiet fog]

i thought so as well, but they are in that folder

the path is correct...

ok, for some reason the path that is shown on the right doesnt correspond to the actual one where it looks? https://i.imgur.com/iEbgrah.png

i redirected it and now its working. How come it shows a different path than where its actually looking?

[tacit eagle]

does your blender update?

[quiet fog]

not that i am aware of

it didnt ask me

[summer fulcrum]

Hey mate you see the mod called Zeliks character it's were you can add bits separate to the character

[lavish vigil]

some new stuff 😄

[fathom bolt]

Did i need to put memory points in the armature too ?

[surreal ore]

Not that i'm aware of.

[tidal latch]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Weapon_Animation/Basic_Tutorial#Adding_Weapon_to_the_Scene it is quite handy when animating although it is not mandatory

[fathom bolt]

Perfect

[obsidian dawn]

I have a 3d model of a huey i have no idea what do do with but would really like it made into a mod for arma reforger can anybody help me with that

[sly bridge]

where do you have that model from?

[obsidian dawn]

Its from sketchfab

[sly bridge]

did you buy it? if so why?

[obsidian dawn]

Yeah

[sly bridge]

can i have a link towards its sketchup page please?

[obsidian dawn]

Yeah hold on

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/huey-medevac-bell-uh-1h-6ccfc2b0b6264853bf5cf70786b20c9a

I got it because i would like to have different helicopters in game

[tacit eagle]

the uh-1h is being added to the game

[obsidian dawn]

When?

[sly bridge]

at some point

[sly bridge]

you can’t use this for modding because license is editorial

[obsidian dawn]

Ok

[obsidian dawn]

Where can you get models you can use

[delicate condor]

in places like sketchfab if they have correct kind of license.
Typically bought models are not really shortcut since they are not game ready and will need a lot of work

[shell hedge]

when I get a good low poly model my mod takes a weekend to develop instead of a week+ (depending on complexity)

[delicate condor]

difference is youve spend your time in the learning how to do stuff 😅

[shell hedge]

I think my biggest issue if I was to model all the assets is I would take way longer than I should

[calm rune]

That's to be expected seeing as you are learning.

[shell hedge]

no, I'm just never satisfied with it

[astral hull]

Also a time saver, would u rather spend 10 hours or pay $20

[shell hedge]

if it's quality I'm paying for it no question

[astral hull]

Hum3d wants $1500 for a interior on a $30 car

They are out of their minds

[tacit eagle]

considering how long it took them to make that interior your still saving money on it...

[leaden trench]

they do for 900 if you ask lol, 1500 price for idiot don't even ask.

[shell hedge]

$900 for an accurately modeled car interior seems reasonable, that's like 10+ hours of work

[astral hull]

Maybe if I was the only person to have the license I would pay that

[leaden trench]

you are

[tacit eagle]

10 hours??? a lot more than that

this is probably 250 hour in total model

[shell hedge]

yeah it makes sense, they sell a couple dozen of those models and get their time back in money

[tacit eagle]

the warthunder models take about 2 months to create each

[shell hedge]

that's why they are so cheap compared to doing something like a commission specifically for you

if the choice is spending 250 hours or paying $900 I'm paying $900

[astral hull]

Measuring time/cost for modeling is rough, lots of people work at different paces

[tacit eagle]

yeah but no one making that in 10 hours

or 40 hours for that matter

[shell hedge]

with 40 hours that'd be 22 bucks per hour

but this relies on selling more than 1 license, so it makes sense

[sly bridge]

you can surely do a vehicle interior in 40h, pretty sure not subd ready in 10h

[astral hull]

Yeah but it’s not like physical stuff you can only sell once

U make a model u can sell unlimited copies

[sly bridge]

if it is commisioned work, you can only sell once

[astral hull]

True

[tacit eagle]

the AK for refrogies is done by a freelancer I saw it on art station

[sly bridge]

that is why the price for bespoke is 6-20x shelf price, depending on complexity

[leaden trench]

3D modelling studios typically in Ukraine; was some in Czechia basically priced out by Ukrainian studios like Hum3D and 3ds molier. In Ukraine you don't need software licenses...

[tacit eagle]

in ukraine they make like 9k a year average salary probably only beaten by india and albania

[sly bridge]

that is some sheet generalization, also very weird and far from truth (i have first hand experince with a externalization studio from ukraine, all licenses on hand)

[leaden trench]

I should say, rather, in Europe you most definitely do need software licenses, like adobe or Autodesk will destroy your company if your don't have em.

[tacit eagle]

hehe the power of shell companies

[calm rune]

I charge $250 USD(they also get the IP) for a top & trouser combo. That is cheap for 12+ hours. With my DMs constantly flooded that price is soon going to rise.

[inner girder]

$250 a mod or model?

[calm rune]

shirt and pants model

[inner girder]

Ahh one uniform

Gotcha

[tacit eagle]

bonus free underwear

[leaden trench]

@calm rune random question, but do you sew? or only virtual-sewing?

[shell hedge]

$20 an hour for commissions yes it is pretty cheap

[sly bridge]

out of curiosity, who is doing the encoding

[calm rune]

You mean as in putting it into the engine?

[sly bridge]

yes, injection, whatever you wanna call it

[calm rune]

I did that for free but now I don’t offer that anymore. Too time consuming.

[inner girder]

My groups problem isn’t financing a mod it’s finding someone ready to make one for us since everyone is B#lls deep into other work lol 😂

[sly bridge]

yes, don’t do that anymore, friendly heads-up on that one

[calm rune]

You get the model and then you gotta inject it yourself or find someone else

[calm rune]

Ouuu I know the consequences of that 😅

[sly bridge]

not really you don’t, believe that 😉

[calm rune]

I dont wanna get sued haha

[shell hedge]

is BI considering starting to enforce the non commercial use part of the agreement?

[calm rune]

Pretty sure it has technically been enforces since day 1.

[tacit eagle]

BI legal is the only team that get things done fast...

[inner girder]

Isn’t there only like 11 people from BI assigned to Reforger currently?

[calm rune]

Like if someone is literally making a living off of it and injecting stuff and taking payment then yeah I can see them acting upon it.

[shell hedge]

I don't think it was enforced on the workshop

[tacit eagle]

if only they would embrace paid mods 😦

[shell hedge]

I'm sure some way to allow people to commission mod makers would be welcome

you can still deny commercial use outside of the reforger modding ecosystem

[sly bridge]

they need to be notified about it, but it seems people are making a side bussines out of it, we have several reports, and it will be acted on it

[inner girder]

@sly bridge out of curiosity can I pay someone to tutor/teach me on how to encode models into engine as long as I’m the one uploading it in the end?

[leaden trench]

maybe a good idea for long term development of the game; if BI takes 30% cut, then game could be finanaced for many years.

[delicate condor]

for sure, Im just not sure if the commission mod makers really understand the responsibilities getting paid for making a mod come with

[sly bridge]

what is he gonna teach you with? pen and paper?

[shell hedge]

just draw the gui on a whiteboard

[tacit eagle]

everytime he get it wrong he gets whipped

[sly bridge]

legal team is game agnostic

[inner girder]

No over zoom…I’ve been tutored for mod work before like that

[sly bridge]

breach of tools TOS

[shell hedge]

wdym specifically? maybe also move to a different room at this point

[inner girder]

Just them teaching me about the process of adding a mod to engine and then I take that knowledge and upload a mod with it

[leaden trench]

lol, development budget gone on hiring 11 lawyers for Reforger 😂

[sly bridge]

read what i wrote

[inner girder]

Okay thanks for the reply 🤘🏼

[sly bridge]

please do ping me next time. It should be enforced, i have took down several just by notifing the right people

[delicate condor]

when people start getting scammed, who bears responsibility, when mod breaks in 5 years after some update is the mod maker still reponsible for updates

stuff like that

but yes you are right this is not the channel for it

[sly bridge]

simple answer -> no

[shell hedge]

it largely depends on the agreement, I don't think a mod should come with lifetime maintenance by default

[tacit eagle]

I mean bi stuff breaks all the time too

[sly bridge]

people are already being scanmed. I hear no contracts, just some verbal agreerments, also no qa, also very tax evasion proned

[sly bridge]

but they also fix it as long as BI suports the game

[tacit eagle]

debatable helicopters afm is still not properly made and tanks still fly up in the sky

[delicate condor]

if they shut down the game development tomorrow then you can call scam

[shell hedge]

like people just send people money via paypal based on a 5 minute DM convo or what's going on there

[sly bridge]

that is penal case in eu and us afaik

[astral hull]

Switch heli with tank then they both work correct xD

[calm rune]

Mean sewing in real life?

[leaden trench]

Yea, like making real clothing.

[calm rune]

Only sewing ive ever done was during basic training when I had to sew a label with my last name and last 3 digits of my service number in EVERY. SINGLE. piece of kit of was issued 🤣 😑

[woven swallow]

I made a pizza oven in 30 mins and got paid 100 bucks. Lol just for the model and textures. It was for a DayZ mod.

And I did it only after the guy was being annoying..

I don't do commission work. No need and I model for fun.

No offense to any one that is doing commissions.

[wicked jasper]

Did anyone ever have the issue that actions contexts and actions dont appear on models?

[shell hedge]

make sure you have a rigidbody with a valid collider

[slim knoll]

The "Create actions through the bones" or how its called option is not showing even though I have the Empty Objects created and named. What am I doing wrong?

[slim knoll]

Or what is the other way to do it?

[shell hedge]

I don't get it what are actions through the bones?

[tidal latch]

do you see those empy objects in workbench?

[slim knoll]

Negative.

[tidal latch]

if not, most likely you forgot to set import setting

[slim knoll]

Or atleast, where should they show up?

[tidal latch]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Weapon_Creation/Asset_Preparation#Skeleton_.26_Hierarchy

[slim knoll]

I exported it the same way it was shown.

And WDYM by import senttings exactly?

Sorry for sounding dumb but I really dont know.

[shell hedge]

see the gif on the link

it shows exactly this

[slim knoll]

Did exactly that

[tidal latch]

and do you see bones in that window?

[slim knoll]

Still not showing..

Can I send you the FBX and will you tell me if somethings missing please?

[tidal latch]

can you share a print screen from workbench?

or 2 actually - one showing import setting and second one showing details tab

[slim knoll]

Details Tab?

[tidal latch]

yes, next to Import Settings tab

[slim knoll]

Imports

Details

[tidal latch]

there is a gif

read it carefully and see the gif https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Weapon_Creation/Asset_Preparation#Skeleton_.26_Hierarchy

[slim knoll]

Thanks fellas

Youre a lifesavers.

[shell hedge]

oh I like that car

[young shard]

I feel liken it be fun to drive.

[shell hedge]

ill put zu-23 on it

[tacit eagle]

lol why does the m72 rocket have 2k verts???

also there is no in flight model?

only a magazine model that is not shown in game

[calm rune]

flexin the engine a little or I like to think they are 🤣

[woven swallow]

more doors

[tacit eagle]

truly next gen

[covert dune]

Clean

[tacit eagle]

no 8 x 4

[covert dune]

[willow sage]

God is killing one smol kiten when he sees that your uv is not 1x1

[tacit eagle]

blame bi

they made me do it

blender in the next update or in the BETA has a really good fast working UV packer

ive orginized the islands as best as I could for anyone who wants to do retexturing on it

[willow sage]

You mean 3.5 ?

[tacit eagle]

no 3.6. 3.5 was released recently

[willow sage]

Can it be compared somehow to uvpackmaster 3 ?

[tacit eagle]

It's faster

[shell hedge]

the one on the right looks like the default cinema 4d packer

wouldn't be surprised if it's some similar algo

[shell hedge]

triangles are probably cheaper than you think they are, also LODs cut that down really quickly and LOD1 is already active like 5 meters from you for an object this size

I think it's not unreasonable to imagine LOD0 in weapons to be closer to a view model in other games

[wicked jasper]

The FireGeo was missing xD

[fathom bolt]

I've made lod's in blender but workbench doesnt take them i only have 1 LOD

[shell hedge]

make sure the meshes have _LODX suffix, so mymesh_LOD0, mymesh_LOD1...

[fathom bolt]

so trigger_LOD0, trigger_LOD1 ....

for example

[shell hedge]

thats how it knows which mesh is which LOD

[fathom bolt]

cool its working thx 😉

[fathom bolt]

FAMAS F1

[shell hedge]

looks awesome

I like that you used the military table as background just like everyone else

the military table is now the core part of weapon mods

[fathom bolt]

Yes its true 😂

[slim knoll]

What is the "0" under parent context list. And why arent my actions showing in the overworld.

Also.. the car levitates, doesnt fall to the ground. Is that something I have t enable in enfusion or just something I forgot in blender.

[glossy lynx]

Make sure the weight in the rigid body component is more than 1

[slim knoll]

Could you check wheter I am missing something? I'm starting to get frustrated over this...

[shell hedge]

rigidbody component is in your prefab in game/world

[tidal latch]

0 is index of the element in array. In programming, arrays starts quite often from 0, which means first entry in the array

[inner girder]

Is there a workbook/tutorial on the process of importing new buildings and getting all the doors and floors working proper?

[slim knoll]

By weight you mean mass, correct?

[glossy lynx]

Correct

[shell hedge]

check how your rigidbody component might differ from vanilla vehicles like a UAZ or whatever

you could also inherit from some base wheeled vehicle prefab

[slim knoll]

Gravity works, thanks

But the actions still dont.. they dont show up..

[shell hedge]

if I remember correctly the get in actions are setup in the compartment manager component

[slim knoll]

I know that. I followed the guide but it doesnt work. They dont show up.

[shell hedge]

well we know rigidbody has a collider so thats probably okay, do you have an action context for it in actions manager? I don't remember if that's relevant for vehicles or not

[slim knoll]

I dont think I follow.

[shell hedge]

does your get in action context in the compartment manager component match the action context for it from the actions manager component?

[daring condor]

open atlas algo or something

[daring condor]

this isnt hte actual algorithm, thats just a mockup of what was wanted from the ticket

[daring condor]

https://github.com/jpcy/xatlas

it uses xatlas

not open atlas

[woven swallow]

That both look clean to me. But anyways. I manually uv unwrap my shit anyways.

The only difference I see is the better use of space

[daring condor]

space utilisation is the reason to use auto packing

also they both look bad to me 😅

that cross being skewed hurts me

[tacit eagle]

REAL SPRINGS ™️

[woven swallow]

So I guess you're right on better space utilisation, but I do everything manually and yes I zoom all the way in to see if I got more room haha

[daring condor]

seems like too much work tbh

[tacit eagle]

how do people do overlapping bakes?

do they just mirror that part after baking / place the meshes back in?

[woven swallow]

I'm confused

I think you uv unwrap one side first then apply mirror

At least that's I would do.

😅

[woven swallow]

Looks nice. The grip tho. Make it a little bit less blocky.

[covert dune]

Yeah I was gonna say, does look quite blocky in some parts

[tacit eagle]

melted famas

[covert dune]

But is gud

[woven swallow]

Yeah I'm not saying is bad. It looks nice but the FAMAS grip isn't that blocky.

[slim knoll]

Yes they do.

[woven swallow]

What software you using ? Nice work

[slim knoll]

My small unif reskin shows in game master and enfusion but it didnt load on server.. any idea why or possible fix?

(it exported correctly and everything)

[tacit eagle]

my ignorant guess is that the bi stuff is overwriting your rexture most likely because your just coping stuff some stuff directly, making a few changes but it reverts back to the original because that's not how its suppose to be done

[slim knoll]

Nvm. It logged back on. We just needed a restart.

[slim knoll]

Thanks for the tip tho.

[lavish vigil]

Now my finished Panzerschreck model 😄

and first texturing progress of my panzer 4

Ausf G

[sly bridge]

did you bake some normals from a HP model? looks a bit…sharpish

[fathom bolt]

Yes HP and LP but famas look sharp

[plain galleon]

anyone "remembers" the old "background from face" in arma object builder, that let you take the mapping from a object and apply to another shape, for instance a round wheel to a square?

wonder if there is something in blender etc to do the same thing

[delicate condor]

Uv editor allows any kind of uvmapping for a simple square surface if that is what you are looking for.

[calm rune]

Do you have an undershirt that goes with it? If not you need to retopo in a way so you can not see through the shirt.

[plush shard]

Yes I do just hid it's selection in sp, just wanted to show the jacket

[lavish vigil]

Panzer 4 G texturing progress

[light lynx]

ayy, you do modelling for Reforger too? Thats awesome 😄

[summer fulcrum]

I was thinking the same thing

[shell hedge]

this looks amazing, it takes me back to building those detailed paper model things, of this exact tank with my dad 20 years ago (but that's probably only because we were putting together pretty much only ww2 vehicles)

[bright raft]

Texturing on your modesl is amazing. This is with Substance Pianter?

[lavish vigil]

Yes and high poly baking

[bright raft]

Looks beautiful. amazing work

[sly bridge]

some progress, still quite a few to do

[stark jolt]

Can anyone put me in contact with a model maker on RHS?

[sly bridge]

why?

[stark jolt]

Its more of a private discussion I wouldn't like to have here in this chat.

[sly bridge]

send me a DM then

[tacit eagle]

Can blender do bakes using color id? 🤔 all I could find is for exporting maybe Google results just being evil omnicorps again with results

[sand pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TImdwwM75cE

[tacit eagle]

Yeah but that is baking a id map not how to bake using a id map in blender

[sand pagoda]

what

[tacit eagle]

Yes. Substance and a few other programs use color id maps. The alternative is to explode the mesh for baking

That is what the video is about creating a id map not baking with id

[sand pagoda]

do you mean using id's from color id map for group splitting?

[tacit eagle]

I mean I would like to do my baking using id maps instead of exploding my objects to bake from. Creating a id map is simple. But I don't know if blender can bake using them

[sand pagoda]

unfortunately this is not possible

feel free to buy marmoset instead and use groups by name feature

[tacit eagle]

If was to buy anything it would be substance painter and designer. 😠. I really don't see a point in using marsupial tool chest only for baking. It's another program to learn and from what I've seen it's only marginally better than substance. Plus substance can do multiple maps which is more appealing.

[daring condor]

Pretty sure xnormal can bake by object name

[tacit eagle]

Yeah it's pretty good but blender is faster with baking it, gpu. Also doesn't xnormal only do normal, I haven't installed it in a long time

[delicate condor]

you mean like use a color of an ID map to project a texture on surface?

[tacit eagle]

Think substance painter baking with id maps but in blender

[delicate condor]

yes you can do that if you create a node setup that splits the idimage into separate masks

and then use those in other nodes to blend between different materials

[tacit eagle]

Or any method really. I like using textools to bake the maps and later on I just bake down uv in the shader editor

[delicate condor]

it is basically same as what multimaterial does

but you can have more colors

this is probably not exactly what you would do but close enough

you can use as high resolution as you like and as many IDmap/masks as you ike

[tacit eagle]

Hmm I will look into it more. I just hate texturing in blender, no layers but with nodes, it's a real headache 😫. I need to learn armor paint as it's a good halfway between blender and painter. Just it doesn't do hp lp baking

[delicate condor]

stop whining and learn the nodes and be happy 😛

you can make layers with them

you will thank yourself later

[tacit eagle]

No it's painful and bad, if I was making a map for arma it would be acceptable. But for asset it's like I'm constantly fighting with blender and super slow to do stuff also it loves to blow it's brain out when it encounter a no no.

I've been learning how to texture in blender for 2 weeks now

[delicate condor]

its different workflow but its very powerful

[tacit eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/blender-fire-explode-explosion-exploding-gif-24704058

[calm rune]

Why not just use Substance Painter? 🏴‍☠️

[tacit eagle]

Have you tried it goat, armor paint its by the same guy who made the blender game engine. It's 20 if you want a compiled version of it

[delicate condor]

I have it somewhere but I just end but back to blender

bought it like 5 years ago or something xD

dont even remember what I used it for

[tacit eagle]

Because mudhaus, and they piece meal the package so you have to spend 300 on it

[delicate condor]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nooo-nope-eat-fingerwag-gif-14832139

[sly bridge]

it’s perpetual license is 145 on steam.

[delicate condor]

or less on sale too

[sly bridge]

also what is wrong with exploded baking? i always bake exploded, i have 2 keyframe animtion to explode / unexplode it

[covert dune]

Used to be 127 before they raised prices with 2023. 🥴

[tacit eagle]

haha WELCOME TO THE RAT RACE :3 everything goes up beside your income

[woven swallow]

what are we talking about ?

[tacit eagle]

maushaus painter

[covert dune]

Substance

[woven swallow]

the hell is that.. lol

[tacit eagle]

mudhause

[woven swallow]

ah Substance lol no longer on steam lol

for sale

[tacit eagle]

yeah but you also need to get designer too if you want to make your own pbr materials

[woven swallow]

F that.. I ain't messing around with that

I'll just use whatever is available

and modify those in substance

[tacit eagle]

i mean ive made my own in blender

[woven swallow]

I barely use Blender nodes lol

[shell hedge]

substance is really nice, blender's node material system is powerful also

ambientcg has a lot of most common surfaces already tho

[daring condor]

Blender nodes are great, I can't use them cuz small brain but they are great

You can do procedural mats that you can then copy in other engines like unity or unreal

Most material node editors are very similar

It's just vector math after all

The problem is that the blender baker is stupid

[lavish vigil]

Tiger H1 😄 done with 2 camos 1 is normandy and ofcourse the famouse bovington tiger 131

and Panzer 4 G update

[tacit eagle]

Nothing wrong with blenders baking. You just have to use a cage

[woven swallow]

Done with Doors, moving to windows lol

[tacit eagle]

uninstalling windows

reinstallling doorsexe

[woven swallow]

lol I'm making a bunch of doors, windows and knobs.. for future map assets lol

[covert dune]

One of those attic hatches with the ladder that folds down would be sweet. I wonder if that'd work though.

[woven swallow]

I've been thinking about making modular stairs and ladders..

but that's a great idea

I would have to animate it tho

[covert dune]

Don't think it'd be hard. Though I have yet to import animations so I'm not one to ask. 🥴

In terms of animating it should be simple though

[woven swallow]

First Window out of many lol different sizes and styles. we're gonna be able to combine sash, grillie, panels, frames, sills.. etc lol

[woven swallow]

Yeah it shouldn't be a problem to be honest but it will be a nice thing to have.

[nocturne sparrow]

They are very powerful and some people can tangle them in a million ways, but I don't see why anyone with access to Substance or similar would choose to texture in Blender for most any type of game art

[tacit eagle]

what blender doesnt haz

[surreal ore]

it does, with nodes lol

[woven swallow]

yo! you think it would be hard to make an addon for blender? I got a collection of doors, windows and making more stuff.

[surreal ore]

An addon for what?

[woven swallow]

Blender. I wanna be able to select a door and try different farmes and knob styles

nevermind.. maybe too much work