enfusion_model

[surreal ore]

even the prefab is correct

the preview for the icon and the inspect menu are messed up, not sure how to fix it tbh

[delicate condor]

Might need a bug report

[quiet fog]

would you mind elaborating? Im completely new to this and in every tutorial i watched they basically said "turn it on or off depending on if it is giving you the result you desire"

[surreal ore]

@delicate condor I thought this would help

in the PreviewRenderAttributes, but no luck

[delicate condor]

There are million ways to model. Don't 100% trust what anyone says

[tacit eagle]

bisect is like a boolean opp that only works in union, so where parts a and b intersect you have geometry, its a useless setting for 99% of the times and a bad habit to use

and to make sure you have no scaling issues reset scale and rotation on your mesh by going to object mod and pressing ctrl + a and select what ive just said

[quiet fog]

ok, but that unfortunately didnt solve the issue im having :/

I must say, coming from Autodesk Inventor it feels like some things are overly complicated 😄

[tacit eagle]

cad and 3d programs have different workflows

so pretty much forget most of the stuff your learned with cad programs

[quiet fog]

i figured as much

[tacit eagle]

for this type of work you can easily just box model it out of a box,

also make sure your normals are pointed in the correct direction, select all in edit mode and hit ctrl + n and then enter

[quiet fog]

you mean shift+n?

[tacit eagle]

for me its ctrl + n

[quiet fog]

ctrl + n asks me for a new file

[surreal ore]

If you can't remember the shortcut keys use F3 to search

[tacit eagle]

thats because you are in object mode

not in edit

[quiet fog]

i am in edit

[tacit eagle]

well what does shift n do

[quiet fog]

recalculate normals

[tacit eagle]

yes its that one

[quiet fog]

but when i hit enter nothing changes

like the menu on the bottom left doesnt disappear

[delicate condor]

it stays as long as you do something else

[quiet fog]

oh ok

[delicate condor]

you can still adjust you action through it

[quiet fog]

usually it disappears when you click somewhere or move the camera

[tacit eagle]

too see your normals

blue is proper and red is inverted

at least with my theme

face orin...

[quiet fog]

looks good i think

[tacit eagle]

everything blue?

[quiet fog]

https://imgur.com/mH6pHv1

the top is "open" so you see the bottom that is red

[tacit eagle]

I would also get rid of those faceless geometry parts like those lines

[quiet fog]

would you mind going into one of the voice channels so we dont spam here?

[tacit eagle]

fine

[quiet fog]

@tacit eagle thanks for all the pointers tonight 🙂

[junior wigeon]

hello, has anyone tried to export 3D models from DayZ to Reforger? And I would be also wondering, if there is any way how to export a height map from dayz map so I can generate a map in the Reforger Workbench 🙂 Thank you

[covert dune]

Porting official assets over from DayZ isn't allowed, and there's no way to access the maps in Terrain Builder to my knowledge. You may find something from Chernarus in the Arma 2 sample map files, but I have heard they would not work well anyway.

[sly bridge]

define export 3d models from DayZ? Which models? Who made these? Etc

[junior wigeon]

I have a decent amount of assets from the stalker so my goal was to put them from dayz p3d to reforger but it's ok. I think i have found a way. There are blender tools for converting p3d objects to enfusion model. And in general, I think the best way to import new models to enfusion is to take them directly from the xray engine from the xray plugin in blender.

[delicate condor]

I'd recommend getting a clear permission from stalker devs who own the IP to use the assets like that to make sure you don't get shot down later when you try to publish them in the workshop.

In general this channel is meant to support making of models and not taking them.

[lethal frigate]

Stalker models are everywhere, look how many are in arma 3, and they are in many other games too

[delicate condor]

That does not make them exactly legit. I know the history, but right now there is no recent permission as far as I can recall.

[junior wigeon]

GSC GameWorld has a legal statement about using of their own assets for non-commercial usage however you want for modifications and games. There is no prohibition either anti-legal behavior. The only controversial bullshit around this topic is, that many people things that they can sell it and do inappropriate actions with that. I got your point but don't worry. 🙂

[junior wigeon]

I agree that my question is maybe not valid for this kind of channel and all respects for the 3d artists and creators for the models. . Anyway I have a clear vision now and thank you for your insights. I appreciate that and hope that I didn't insult anyone.

[delicate condor]

can you point me to this so we can add it to the wiki

[junior wigeon]

Sure, i have it on my mod on steam, let me find it

[midnight path]

@delicate condor have you rigged a car before, or know anyone who has?

trying to figure out what direction the bones\armatures are supposed to face for wheels

[midnight path]

nice

does that all articulate?

[fluid fern]

hey do you know this error? i try to import old p3d (RSO building pack) @lilac sand if you have sources 🙂 (i change pc and i have no save than work drop to me there is 2 year)

[delicate condor]

cant import someone elses binarized p3ds

[burnt thunder]

Is that an LAV?

[glossy lynx]

honestly looks incredibly similar to the suspension

[light vault]

I have the same as you here - did you get an answer on the missing "Addon Folders" section?

[tidal latch]

documentation was updated, check the wiki again

[fluid fern]

i know but now, when i would like open A2 source p3D, i have this error whereas before I had no errors at all

[delicate condor]

Maybe that one is binarized too see below

[tidal latch]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Enfusion_Blender_Tools:_P3D_Conversion see updated documentation. Since 0.9.7. version of the plugin, it is necessary to have Workbench running in the background with net api enabled

[fluid fern]

ah ok there was a delta between the 0.95 my bad I had just read the line when you answered me!
I would pay more attention to the docs and avoid reading diagonally 🙂

[tidal latch]

no worries, there is also tweak deployed internally which catches that exception and throws human readable error, informing user about new requirement

[light vault]

@tidal latch thanks, I checked the wiki. So just to confirm we should not expect to see an "Addons" section just "Export Profiles Folders" section?

[tacit eagle]

I am trying to put this as a backpack. but when I do there is a lot of clipping or it doesnt move with the charecter. any ideas?

[calm rune]

You need to rig it to the skeleton and also weight it. Its quite the process if you have zero knowledge on the subject. If you are using blender I will send to the .blend files for rigging and weighting. As for clipping you need to also properly mold the model(suggest the lattis modifier) to whatever base mesh you'd like it to fit over.

[tacit eagle]

hey thanks I know how to do all of that its just idk how to make it a back pack

when i weight it and add the skeleton it clips really badly

thanks btw@calm rune

[calm rune]

Set it to the correct area type

[tacit eagle]

@calm rune is it OK if I dm you? I appreciate the help

[buoyant nymph]

I love you

Vergy and Ronin = ✅

[calm rune]

Sure! I might not get back to you right away. Watching hockey 😅

[tacit eagle]

@buoyant nymph
Is that your model I bought?

[buoyant nymph]

No, I'm just a fan of you all.

[tacit eagle]

is fan of me ?

[buoyant nymph]

Absolutely!

Love your tubes dude!

[tidal latch]

yes

[sick shard]

anyway to move the hand position or do I have to make a new custom animation? snap_hand_left doesn't seem to work unless I'm doing something wrong

[finite quartz]

i got a quick question: What are the Limit of Polygon for a Vehicle?

[tidal latch]

snap_hand_left has no function at the moment, in future it might be used as reference point for weapon deploy. You need to make new ik animation to move left hand

[sick shard]

Heck okay time to learn how to animate lol thanks for the info would love to see snap points in the future would be pretty handy

[delicate condor]

#creators_recruiting is the place, follow the template and prepare to pay premium if you want speed.

[tacit eagle]

is Christmas gift :3

also sight picture

if you complain that you cant see, well thats you a problem.

[covert dune]

Perfect way to send the tank crew their christmas present. 😛

[autumn ledge]

Doomtube.exe

[surreal ore]

@calm rune You around?

[calm rune]

I ment to reply to this 2 hours ago. Im sorry 😅. What’s up!

[surreal ore]

No worries lol

[calm rune]

Do you still need help?

[surreal ore]

I was wondering if you could do me a favor

[calm rune]

Depends on how difficult it is haha

[surreal ore]

dm me lol

[last hill]

Isn't a gift something that we receive? We can't do anything with the picture.

[tacit eagle]

is free nft

[midnight path]

@tacit eagle what are the blue lines called in blender

in edit mode when you make lines theres the black ones and the blue ones i forgot what you told me about the blue one

sharps or something like that??

[tacit eagle]

EDGE SPLIT

[midnight path]

ok cause the collider model for the car tires for the sample car are all blue lines

and i wanted to replicate that but didnt know how, so i can select my current lines and edge split them?

edge split is not doing that

SEAMS

[tacit eagle]

bad edge seams

[midnight path]

when i do it they come out pink

[tacit eagle]

pink or red

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6B5PAzlWI

[midnight path]

thank you!!

they are pink

[woven swallow]

WIP.

[buoyant nymph]

Is that gonna be a composite?

[woven swallow]

First of all I want to model my second structure.
this is my first one: it was meant to be release as a mod for dayz. underground base building. I have plants to make houses with basements and attics.

Second, I want to model a couple of american style houses and hopefully i can make different variants of the same houses by changing colors, and last I would like to work with someone on different stages of the house. like new, old and destroy, and weather effects too.

updated. I Came up with some techniques for uneven floor planks and roof tiles.

[buoyant nymph]

Ah! Reforger life.

Well done lad.

[woven swallow]

not reforger life lol

this is completely independent. lol

[sly bridge]

i have a couple of these things already made, a couple already textured= american rural style (pennsylvania-ish) buildings. I’ll check it next week

[woven swallow]

noice

[unborn reef]

you know what we need, mk 4 supra

[woven swallow]

then model it.

[unborn reef]

well time to waste 5 hours of my life

[woven swallow]

then don't model it.

[unborn reef]

but i want supara stututututu

[last hill]

Start modelling it then, if not worth your five hours, not worth ours.

[zenith quartz]

I wanna do buildings.

But also I have so much I wanna do already.

Need to invest into cloning tech.

[midnight path]

wtf, i spent like a week editing this car to get everything exactly like the sample car, and it wont import correctly

[woven swallow]

hahaha

[woven swallow]

I'm adding an attic, I'm thinking about adding a basement or that would be overkill?

[tacit eagle]

if you gonna add a basement I would make two versions of the haus one with and one with out.
the one with has to have a ground skirt

[woven swallow]

yeah that can be solve by blocking the door that goes down the basement

[young shard]

Would you like to know more?

[woven swallow]

I hope this stairs design doesn't glitch people lol.

[tacit eagle]

No trip people

[woven swallow]

Nah, I fixed it. made it square.

[light vault]

I have a question on how to animate house doors. Does this use the same approach as for any other “hinged” animation (e.g. adding bones in Blender, etc), or is there a different way of doing it?

[tidal latch]

door is a separate entity which is rotated as a whole

[light vault]

Thanks. So is that achieved within the Enfusion tools alone, e.g. using the Animation Editor (i.e. not using Blender)? Do you know of any references I can look at to find out more on how to add a working door to a building? I can’t seem to find any. That would be greatly appreciated!

[tidal latch]

no, it's not using Animation Editor. Best I think would be to take a look at existing door prefabs

Door set contain door frame and door frame contain door entity

DoorComponent is responsible for rotation of whole entity

[light vault]

Thank you. That helps to narrow the search down quite a lot 🙂

[sly bridge]

it surely isn’t 5 hours job, no matter how good of an artist one is

[sly bridge]

do NOT post that sort of thing here

[shell hedge]

I think I could make the wheels in 5 hours

[sand pagoda]

I know that feeling

[tacit eagle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/976042826091622420/1061590431529447444/image.png

@midnight path whats with the edge crease

is that for the collision mesh?

yeah I guess it is with the log

you dont need edge crease(no sub D), no edge seams or edge seams

[agile crater]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392728823105323020/1061439371951226981/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392728823105323020/1061439600414949396/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392728823105323020/1061440231364100266/image.png

[zenith wave]

Looks amazing the details on the cockpit when can we see this in action 💯🔥

[toxic obsidian]

Rafale interesting choice

[young shard]

ooh me like.

[young shard]

Almost done with the High.

[hardy cairn]

Or when can I just place this on the airfield as a prop?!?

[sick shard]

100rnd beta c magazine

[woven swallow]

looks good bro, I would make the screws with normals instead of mesh.

[sick shard]

I didn't make the model just bought it from cgtrader lol

[woven swallow]

ah okay.

[young shard]

In that case you could probably clean it up in blender a bit and make it have fewer poly's.

[young shard]

High Poly is now done.

[eager grove]

looking good

[young shard]

Thank you wolf.

[minor crystal]

based

[lethal frigate]

Anyone here working on some structures? Apartments and stuff

That rhs apartments are amazing

Wish they port them soon

[delicate condor]

Not many pics been posted about buildings Im afraid

[astral hull]

@midnight path is working on some buildings

[covert dune]

BullsEyE too

[lethal frigate]

I'm really hyped to see that stuff

Gonna be good for mapping

[bright raft]

I have a question regarding UDIMs.
I know we can make them in blender and later paint across multiple udims in Substance Painter (big thing for me since I'd like to paint panel lines on model).
Will those UDIMs be later usable in game engin esuch as Enfusion (or A3) ?

Maybe if not, can those UDIM uvs be separated into multiple UVs?

[fluid fern]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EwSrnNHvEvTVo6O0usnZyQ_9_V6gEGf3?usp=share_link
but I don't know how to make the textures, I tested the colliders, they work well, I just need to rework the outer doors

[delicate condor]

A3, no, Enfusion, my hunch is no.

[surreal ore]

@fluid fern Have you gotten Portals to work?

[fluid fern]

whats portals?

[surreal ore]

For doors and windows

[shell hedge]

you mean you never played portal?

[surreal ore]

@fluid fern https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:FBX_Import#Portals

[fluid fern]

no I didn't use the doors of the 3d object, I had created a prefab and added the doors of the vanilla game

[shell hedge]

portals are not fully implemented in the game yet are they

[leaden trench]

No UDIMs in the engine, but your model can have multiple UVs.What exactly is the problem you are trying to solve? You don't have enough resolution to paint "panel lines"? If that is the case you could construct/project decal geometry on the areas where panel lines appear, paint in Substance with alpha blend and render with PBRDecal shader in game. This way you have high detail for low memory cost.

[bright raft]

I never hard good results with decals (or I don't know how to properly apply them on curved mesh). What I am currently trying to do, is to use UDIMs in substancce painter, because you can paint those panel lines/rivets/any other detail accross multiple texture sets. And I'd like to know if those UDIMs can be separated into individual texture sets

[delicate condor]

how many udims you got? (as in how many texture sets are you looking at)

it does not sound very performance friendly idea

[bright raft]

Currently just 4 but I am just testing workflow

[leaden trench]

Shinkwrap modifier with a plane, subdivide it up first to get enough vertices to match the original surface curvature.

[leaden trench]

4x 4k or 4x 2k?

[bright raft]

4x 4k

[delicate condor]

would that fit all of the model?

or would it need even more

[bright raft]

Well I got it down to 3x4k for main fuselage. One more for main and tail rotoor, one more for other details. Something like that

I know it can't be compared but I checked how DCS has textures for its Apache. It's like 20 4k textures for external model 😐

[leaden trench]

I really suggest decal workflow. Read on MSFS docs; it's directly translatable to Reforger. Will save you hundreds of MBs of VRAM. https://docs.flightsimulator.com/html/mergedProjects/How_To_Make_An_Aircraft/Contents/Modelling/Airframe/Texturing/Surface_Detail.htm

[fluid fern]

what software do you use to texture your objects?

[bright raft]

Thanks for that link, I never thought you could use decals in texturing object to achieve indentations

[bright raft]

Substance Painter

[leaden trench]

Yea, first time it suprised me also. But if you think about how a normal map actually works, it makes sense. You can texture it just like any other layer in Substance.

[bright raft]

Thanks 🙂

[midnight path]

yes

[glossy lynx]

If you want more examples of decal usage look at the BTR’s welds and the jeeps indents

[bright raft]

Will do

[delicate condor]

the decals are definitely way to go for better perfromance and higher details

[tacit eagle]

how does the decals work? is its an overlayed uv?

[shut bloom]

is that building using Hero UV Workflow or are you working with Multi materials

[midnight path]

just assigned materials in blender and uploaded to enfusion, nothing special

[glossy lynx]

It's an overlayed mesh

[tacit eagle]

a mesh???? really I need to look into this after I reinstall everything

[midnight path]

forgot to mention once in enfusion i just assigned materials that are already in game, to test if everything was right

[glossy lynx]

It's a mesh with a new material on it

Look up what trim sheets are

[tacit eagle]

oh ok like with cgi

[shut bloom]

you should look into Multi Materials

[tacit eagle]

have you made randomized numbers for the decal?

[glossy lynx]

No as the numbers are not random, I would also need to make it a render target if I did that which would be a pain

[midnight path]

is that something in blender?

[shut bloom]

no thats a workflow that is used for Buildings in the Enfusion Engine

[midnight path]

do you have a link to info about it?

[fluid fern]

It is possible to import new materials on substance?

[glossy lynx]

You just re-import your model

[shut bloom]

this one is for arma 3 but it explains the process

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Mondkalb's_MultiMaterial_Tutorial

Arma 2 Actually

well simply explained its a mask Based Tilable Texture Workflow similar to Vertex Paint but a bit different

[spark onyx]

Hey everyone! Were lookin for help with our WWII mod: Forged in Europe

If you have any models you would like to donate or would be interested in joining the team ( Lordjudicator and myself ! ) Then give us a jingle!

We also have a form for anyone who does wish to submit a model or is wanting to suggest a model to our team!

[surreal ore]

@midnight path

I'm working on procedural buildings

[midnight path]

very nice

[tacit eagle]

that is the bi building behind?

[glossy lynx]

That is a BI building

[young shard]

So low poly is basically done and I'm just seeing how it looks with some materials and with the high baked on.

[glossy lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-im-doing-my-part-soldier-gif-5017129

Looks like you are doing your part

[young shard]

The only good bug is a dead bug.

This side looks the best.

After I'm done making the Clothing and vest Ill make more variants of the helmet and such.

[woven swallow]

v0.5 House

[young shard]

Nice.

[young shard]

Like make this part.

[glossy lynx]

That would be very cool

What are the ip restrictions like for starship?

[young shard]

Idk. But there are plenty of mods out there already for it like there's one in Arma 3 and another really good one is Squad.

So I'm sure its fine.

[woven swallow]

what is this tho?

starwars?

[young shard]

Its Starship Troopers.

[woven swallow]

I never liked star wars

ah

never seen that one either

lol

[young shard]

Humans verses aliens.

[woven swallow]

looks cool tho

what is the polycount on your helmet ?

[young shard]

But humans are Fascists' invading Alien's homeworld.

Umm let me see.

[woven swallow]

lol I never liked sci fi stuff

[young shard]

1,358 Facses

[glossy lynx]

Very liberal Fascists

[woven swallow]

If you don't mind me telling you, I would add more detail to rounded mesh

[young shard]

I just really like the movie. Not a Facist.

Like the top and stuff?

I was thinking of adding more to those parts.

Heres the wire for the front.

[woven swallow]

yeah

when i was making my shotgun i went with 16 edge loops with the rounded parts

but then i didn't like the end result so I just added more till i was happy.

[young shard]

I'm just trying to keep the poly count down.

So I can have more bugs to fight lol.

[woven swallow]

yeah but you're @ 1.3k faces

[young shard]

How many faces does the Helmet in Arma Ref have?

[woven swallow]

you still got room for more

don't limit yourself too much

[glossy lynx]

For something you don't really see up close because it's on your head, I think it's really good

[woven swallow]

yeah you don't see it but other players do.

some people are still making their models like it's 2009

@young shard don't get me wrong, your helmet looks good.

[young shard]

How much would you say be a good amount?

5k?

[woven swallow]

I would think so. i mean all I'm saying is that models look a lot better when rounded parts are actually rounded and not blocky.

[young shard]

Yeah.

[woven swallow]

if you can add a little bit more to make it look rounded

[young shard]

Especially with the new game being very high quality.

[glossy lynx]

Base game has 6k verts

[woven swallow]

there you go

[young shard]

Good to know,

[woven swallow]

time for more coffee

[glossy lynx]

Some helmets are all the way up to 14k

But that's with camo fluff stuff

[young shard]

Damn.

I was assuming it be way smaller.

[leaden chasm]

Hopefully one day

[young shard]

Ok I'ma rebake the new mesh and see what it looks like.

[young shard]

Ill have a better asset to show tomorrow then.

[woven swallow]

Wood is actually dimensional and real world size, 2x4", 2x6" etc etc.. Maybe I'm going to far with this.

[covert dune]

I think that's actually pretty neat cause then you can make houses that are uniform with eachother. A 2x4" is the same as a 2x4" in another house and so on

[woven swallow]

yeah the idea is to be able to make different variants of the same structure by changing from siding to stucco or just planks.

and colors of course

2x4 are every 16" apart just like in the U.S construction code lol

[covert dune]

[tidal latch]

that should also work quite well with destruction - you can notice that some of the Reforger buildings have modeled inner bits (attics) which you cannot access from the ground

[woven swallow]

I see

[shell hedge]

destructible attics lets gooo

that's where all the monsters live, right?

[woven swallow]

Attic and basement 😉

[delicate condor]

This is gud! Realistic internal design makes good buildings!

[woven swallow]

taking game assets to the next level haha, nah just trying to come up with something for future map i want to work on.

[delicate condor]

Honestly I believe buildings should be modeled like this to make them work. Armas world is in real dimension and when building dimensions are off it stands out

[covert dune]

It does really stand out. Mostly grab or rip assets from games and asset stores and most the time they're not exactly in proportion. Pretty rare to see people actually make structures themselves

[glossy lynx]

Are you using a large amount of array modifiers?

[fluid fern]

Hi all, in substance painter, you use PBR - Metalic Roughness when you import your fbx?

[glossy lynx]

I made my own

[fluid fern]

I believe that the default pbr works well, I have not found any software that automatically converts to .nmo, .BCR etc, does it exist?

[glossy lynx]

You can in substance

Look at the pinned messages in texture makers

[fluid fern]

my bad thanks

[woven swallow]

I've been having that feeling to be honest. I feel like buildings in game are too small but I always thought that's how buildings are in Europe lol but yeah in game buildings to me are bare and small , empty.

[delicate condor]

Older buildings definitely are smaller especially in the countryside

well factory worker apartments are that too 😄

there are big houses too but those were more rare or are more recent builds

so it goes both ways

but even small house needs right width for walls and right size for doors

America for example has far more newer houses than europe

and the designs are very different

and vary between north and south due to climate requirements

well it does that in europe too I suppose 😄

[leaden chasm]

The scale thing is important for any object, moreover for the textures especially.

[woven swallow]

Yeah my walls are 4" plus 1" on each side for stucco, sheetrock, plywood or siding.

Red dead redemption 2 is a great source of inspiration and references for for me.

Plus I'm a construction superintendent so that's a plus haha

[delicate condor]

😄

Work - Hobby crossover

Not too many American assets for Arma mods around so great to have someone making such

buildings have always been the least made thing

[woven swallow]

Haha yeah.

[young shard]

They also seem to be one of the hardest to make at least for me.

[calm rune]

Im an electrician. Let me start modelling some wires and conduent for some semi build homes 😅 (joking)

[young shard]

My brain hurts to try and make em cause the scale always looks off to me and I just go insane.

[delicate condor]

they indeed are more complicated than one might initially think

[delicate condor]

I recommend using real life measurements. that gets scale pretty decent

[young shard]

Can't use real life measurements all the time or your space will become too small in game.

Gotta use the games measurements.

I've been trying to figure out the measurements for like doors and stuff.

I've been able to get the character to the right size in blender.

[delicate condor]

have you used the sample character?

[young shard]

Yeah.

Had to resize it after joining all the parts together cause when you delete the bones it like super sizes the character.

Although I'm sure there's a way to delete the bones without doing that.

Probably dissolving then actually.

Why didn't I think of that.

[delicate condor]

there is yes. but also its made bit weird since it does that 😅

[young shard]

Well I've already gone through the pain of resizing the character and bringing it into Reforger to see if it's the right size. I actually got it first try though so it's no biggie.

Sized it to 150 cm.

[delicate condor]

the character?

that does not sound right

[young shard]

Yeah.

[calm rune]

No that’s not right

[delicate condor]

no wonder your scale is off

[young shard]

It doesn't but when I brought it into Reforger it was pretty much 1 to 1.

I think blender has a scaling issue.

[delicate condor]

youu have some major issue with it

[calm rune]

Use this @young shard It is the proper scale.

[young shard]

Thx.

[delicate condor]

also dont scale things in object mode

that messes up things

[woven swallow]

Every time I do a model I always end up watching videos on YouTube about them and how they are built.

Before modeling Information gathering is very important. If you really want to make something nice and realistic. For example with my Ithaca model 37 shotgun I watched bunch of shooters on YouTube and reading pdf manuals for specific parts.

Next I want to learn clothes and animations. You better watch out @calm rune I'm going to be making clothing 🤠

[calm rune]

I like some competition, means I need to try ever harder 😉 haha

[plain galleon]

Are there any info of maximum size for things like geo collisions? Like for ships etc.

[young shard]

Is there like battle states in Reforger. Like the more your character goes through the more like dirty he gets over time and such?

[woven swallow]

That would be epic. If your bears would grow and your hair..

Question. Do we have birds in game yet ?

[young shard]

Yeah that also but I was thinking more for the armor.

So like if explosions go off around you and such.

[woven swallow]

Ah no idea brother

[young shard]

Hmm...

[woven swallow]

Maybe with some texture changer script ? Maybe bacon knows lol

[young shard]

I'll find out. Cause that would bring a great level of realism.

[woven swallow]

Yup

[young shard]

Like it wouldn't make sense before a battle that armor would be super dirty and such. And wouldn't make sense that armor is as clean as it was before a gruesome battle.

[woven swallow]

Haha yeah

[young shard]

Like with my helmet I'm working on the basic texture I have on it has a lot of scratches and such on it.

That could be for after a battle.

I also wonder if there's Inverse Kinematics in the game.

I've got a lot of questions for modding lol.

[woven hull]

what are you using to make mods?

[young shard]

A variety of softwares.

I'm mainly a asset creator though so I'm not gonna be really coding things for mods.

[woven hull]

ok thanks

[young shard]

Are you asking what softwares I use to create the assets?

[woven hull]

yeah

[young shard]

Blender for Modeling.

Marmoset Tool bag for baking High to Low.

Substance Painter for texturing.

Marvelous Designer for creating clothing.

Krita for creating sprites and such for textures.

Substance Designer for creating Textures.

Speedtree for foliage.

MoI 3D for organic modeling.

Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

[woven hull]

bet thank you

[young shard]

I have a handful of others I use but I'm not home ATM so I can't list those off.

But those are like the essentials.

[woven hull]

all good I just needed a general idea of some softwares

[young shard]

Yeah. Most are pretty expensive.

Some you can get free licenses but mostly not.

[woven hull]

alr

[young shard]

You could technically do all of those things from Blender but it be really difficult.

Like Marvelous Designer is really good at creating clothing and it's really easy to learn.

[woven hull]

good thank you for the help I really appreciate it

[young shard]

Fusion 360 is another one. It can be used to create realistic Mechanical things.

Your welcome.

[autumn ledge]

How did you start off when you first got into modeling?

[young shard]

Well I started almost 4 years ago. But I only started to actually learn the workflow less than a year ago.

So for the first 3 years I was entirely self taught.

I started modeling when I went to Special High School for Computer Science. And I had assignments like creating games and such. So I started to learn how to use Blender.

I didn't know a thing about creating game assets thouh until I joined a Modding group for Arma that was almost entirely comprised of 3D Artists then went to college for 3D Art.

And they've been teaching me this past year how to create High Quality 3D Assets.

Idk if you've heard of them or not but the modding group is called Chokepoint Games and where working on creating a Halo Arma 3 mod called Far Isle.

They taught me everything I know. Well almost everything but if it wasn't for them I would still be creating basic models and scenes in blender.

Sorry for uhh dumping all that information onto ya.

I'm definitely not a professional at this. I'm still a Junior Artist.

[delicate condor]

no official word. Blud said they tested some 800 meter cube and it worked

or something like that

Id wager best way is to just make big ass blocks and test which ones work

[midnight path]

so after multiple tries. i continue to fail to set up armatures and bones correctly for my cars. can someone make me a simple tutorial on how to exactly go about setting that up. i will even pay

when i get the car into enfusion with bones finally, they are not linked to anything. and i swear i am following the instructions, there must be something im missing

what i mean by not linked to anything, they are all linked to eachother, but not to any geometry, when i turn a bone it doesnt turn the wheel.
but in blender its all parented correctly and when i turn a bone in blender it turns the wheel like it should

[glossy lynx]

I would recommend using a pbrmulti for that\

[last hill]

Did you weight the mesh components to the bones?

[glossy lynx]

I talked him through it, he was not using vertex weights for the mesh

[quiet fog]

is there some kind of "assembly" option available in blender? In Inventor the workflow for complex assemblies is that you create each individual component in a separate file and later place them together in a master scene so to say. There you can still access the individual components and change their properties etc but duplicate/orient them in a specific order as well so that you for example only need to model one screw of a pitch circle.

What I am trying to do is to place a single supporting structure of train tracks that i modelled into a new scene and add an array modifier to it so that i dont need to do this manually. But since my object is linked, I am not able to apply any modifiers to it.
If I understood the wiki right, I could use append but then I would be creating a new standalone object in my "master scene" which wouldnt represent any changes made in my original object right?
How is something like this done?

[woven swallow]

Like open two blender files and copy paste one into another ?

[quiet fog]

its not as simple it seems. A mate of mine helped me now, but I would like to make sure it is the right practise:

• Drag and Drop the file into the viewport or hit File->Linked
• Select the object you want to place
• Under collection (top right), right click the desired object -> Library Override -> selected: Now you can edit the object.
• If you made changes in the original file and want them to display in the assembly, hit the dropdown above collections which has the three images stacked, select blender file, scroll down to your object, right click -> reload

[surreal ore]

@quiet fog Just Append the train tracks from your "original" file

[quiet fog]

yeah i know, but as far as i understood it, when using append, blender creates a completely new file which isnt affected by any changes i make in the original (which i want)

[surreal ore]

@quiet fog I don't even have a button for reload

nor do i have "Library Override "

i think im still on 3.0 or 3.1 though

[quiet fog]

hm im on 3.4

https://imgur.com/Ub355U5

https://imgur.com/9qmAaSa

[chilly dragon]

Been working on a Thompson. Highpoly is done just need to finish up the low and then onto texturing

[glossy lynx]

looks good!

[chilly dragon]

Thanks 🙂

[tacit eagle]

Oy, what mod/plane/thing is that

[sand pagoda]

is there a way to completely disable culling and mipmaps for a model?

[shell hedge]

mipmaps can be "disabled" by unticking generate mips in texture import settings

I have to do it for things like optics reticles otherwise xbox series s displays them in roblox graphics

[sand pagoda]

case of usage

model is moving by simple animation, but its initial point(origin) is static

so when i move my camera from it, game thinks that object no longer visible and culls it

so im trying to find a way to disable it

[shell hedge]

uhh maybe set material cull to none but I don't know if that makes any difference, it might be trying to cull by entity origin?

[sand pagoda]

yea, that's what i said

i dunno if its possible to move origin with mesh somehow

[shell hedge]

well a script to literally move the entity every frame

[sand pagoda]

but what if animation is not a simple move forward?

then there is 2 ways

[shell hedge]

exactly :/ if you move origin to where your joint is then your joint will move in relation to the origin as well

[sand pagoda]

first one is make a script that transforms animation into a scipt

second one is go to a room corner and cry

second one is better cuz im REALLY bad ad scipting or programming

[shell hedge]

I think we could create a generic script that would make entity follow a spline

[sand pagoda]

hmmm

this is a way too

but its still too simple

[shell hedge]

so you would have it on rails

[sand pagoda]

yea, it is a way to go actually

[shell hedge]

for airplanes this is a bit wonky because the rotation changes won't work the way you'd expect an airplane to turn

[sand pagoda]

if i remember correctly, curves do have normals so, it can be rotated

but i might be wrong

[shell hedge]

yes, though it would turn like a train instead of banking like an airplane

I think

[sand pagoda]

nah, i mean, it can bank

ok, im wrong

it just deforms mesh instead of rotating it

[shell hedge]

it would rotate but the spline points in world editor dont have rotation

so best you could do is have the plane aim at the next point

I guess

so no banking (unless you add desired banking values to the spline points somehow but that seems like too much extra effort)

[sand pagoda]

well, then curve is not really the way to go

[surreal ore]

@shell hedge @sand pagoda use proc animation for banking

[sand pagoda]

sorry for a ping after literally 2 months, but, what do you mean by attach to the bone directly?

[reef sun]

Good question 😄
I think I added it here

[sand pagoda]

thanks a lot

[reef sun]

np

[sand pagoda]

well, its attached now, but its weeeeeird

[reef sun]

Yeah it breaks the transform but I don't remember how to fix that 😄

[surreal ore]

@sand pagoda @reef sun change the transform in blender and don't apply the changes

[sand pagoda]

like scale it down a lot?

[surreal ore]

Just move it back where it needs to be.

[surreal ore]

@sand pagoda@reef sun I found another way, that's a little more convenient.

In edit mode select the bone you're using and set its Tail Z location to something small that's above 0

If you set it to O the bone is deleted

I just found another way as well

the offset is caused by the tail Z

so in this situation i moved my collider on the z axis by -0.03

[zenith wave]

Globemaster?

[sand pagoda]

il-76

[tacit eagle]

I should make the an22 :3

[sly bridge]

don’t

[glossy lynx]

Parenting the collider using this method is correct, you just have to move the collider back in blender after you set it

When you parent a collider in blender to a bone it should ALWAYS move the collider, if it does not then the parent did not work and you will end up with odd transforms in game

[woven swallow]

Anyone knows the polycount of a standard house in reforger?

[last hill]

Pull up one as the xob and check the material list for number of poly/vert

I wouldn't think they would be too extreme given they are squares etc. The furniture prefab compos might be a bit more.

[woven swallow]

I'll check it out. thanks

Working on the chimney of the house

[last hill]

Detail baked on or painted in using normal/height map? Looks great thus far.

[woven swallow]

normal + displacement. trying to keep the displacement.

[glossy lynx]

I think some of the in game shaders allow for height maps but not sure about displacement

[woven swallow]

displacement can be applied to the mesh

but I'm not applying it just yet till i figure it out how im going to finally model this chimney

[woven swallow]

So.. I think i got it. Ima apply the subdivision modifier level 6 just the get all the high details from the displacement map then run a decimate on it 😉

this are the results.

I wonder if I should standardize chimney size and make different designs and keep them as a separate models.

you guys think that could work ? 🤔

[zenith quartz]

Probably could.

Also I love the uneven-ness on the edges.

[woven swallow]

Yeah me too. If I only used the normal map it would look too flat and even. I was going after an organic look.

[daring condor]

isnt something like this going to be pretty heavy?

[shell hedge]

considering average brick weighs about 2 kg this structure could weigh up to 500 kg

that is indeed quite heavy

[woven swallow]

No, because everything is going to be balanced. I did apply the subdivisions just to get the details from the displacement map then I decimated down to a decent number without losing the shape too much.

[daring condor]

yeah but if this is a map object there will still be a lot of them in the scene

[tacit eagle]

we have the lod 🙂

[shell hedge]

kinda makes me wonder how performance heavy it would be to make a structure out of actual individually modelled bricks and stuff, I wonder if they would be culled when behind things or not

[woven swallow]

Exactly.

[woven swallow]

You don't need a whole brick. You just need the parts that are meant to be seen by the player.

[shell hedge]

oh I know, just wondering how it would be handled

[woven swallow]

Same with the rest of the models. Like for example they are faces on the wood that you can't see so mind as well delete them.

[shell hedge]

you know, for science

[quiet fog]

Is it possible to bevel perpendicular to the selected edge? https://imgur.com/vRuRYpP A quick search didnt bring anything up unfortunately

[delicate condor]

no

bevel works on edges

[quiet fog]

hmm is there another operation that can achieve this?

[delicate condor]

no dont think so

make edges there

[quiet fog]

I guess i could too loop cuts/subivisions but then i need to manually pull them out, which likely doesnt get me a "smooth" curve :/

[delicate condor]

extrude - bevel maybe

you can do a lot if you make the basic shape first, then bevel in right order

[quiet fog]

kk, gonna try that then ty 🙂

on that note, can you make loop cuts without the loop? There is the knife tool but its more manual, the loop cut has that convinient feature that you can control how many cuts are made with the mouse wheel and they are evenly spaced.

[delicate condor]

well it can cut single quad too but it will cut the loop if there is any

you can try hiding the parts you dont want to cut

or separate mesh

dont be afraid of some manual work tho

[zenith quartz]

[tacit eagle]

YUS press H on the parts you want to hide work, work on them and finish up after unhiding them.

[sand pagoda]

[surreal ore]

For anyone wondering, that's the max amount of bones before crash.

[delicate condor]

😮

so low :C

more than in RV

but not even double

[midnight path]

100% custom with ai generated photo for inspiration

[delicate condor]

cool

first thing to come in mind is safari

maybe because of the colors of your reference pic

[tacit eagle]

you mean bomb truck

[midnight path]

im a mechanic with a photographic memory, all of the parts i made from memory

(all the engine and suspension)

if anyone needs anything like that i can make it

[tacit eagle]

the roof is a one piece tho :S

[midnight path]

for now

[tacit eagle]

yeah you can just select the faces and separate them

I know it seems strange but define the whole body of the car

and then you can cut in panels like the doors and windows

[midnight path]

already did that 🙂

[tacit eagle]

nice

[whole cove]

Hey, if I made say a sign asset for map makers, can I make them be able to write on said sign so it appears in-game so the players can read custom text?

[tidal latch]

that's not a problem after all since in Enfusion you can have animated "proxies" (called slots/entities in Enfusion)

[woven swallow]

nice, this reminds me I gotta finish mine. lol

[midnight path]

what you makin?

[delicate condor]

ah right this does help!

👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

[upper nebula]

Hello ! Is there anywere a good tutorial explaining all the process from modeling to blender to importation in enfusion ?
After som research , i dindt found anything enough complete

[delicate condor]

start from just modeling and texturing tutorials

once you understand how your do those you can more easily start to figure out the enfusion specific requirements

[upper nebula]

Im used to use blender and substance painter, its just the LOD and Collision things where im a bit lost

how many polygons max on LOD5 for exemple, how to smartly cutting them

[tacit eagle]

depends on how big the object is also you can look at how at how its done in the sdk

[woven swallow]

A golf cart lmao

[tacit eagle]

finally a spiritual successor to battlefailed babcompany 1

[midnight path]

daaaaamn

sick!

[woven swallow]

haha thanks

I was making an RV like the one in breaking bad but I lost the project..

still wanna make one tho

[midnight path]

bruh.... that sucks

[woven swallow]

want some beer?

haha

[midnight path]

lol nice

[woven swallow]

🍻

[woven swallow]

Anyone knows how many textures a house has in reforger?

[glossy lynx]

3-4 on the guard hut,
Inside, outside, roof, foundation

[woven swallow]

awesome

[glossy lynx]

There might be more on larger buildings

[woven swallow]

So i have room. I want the chimney to be high detailed so I'll use a whole texture just for it

[glossy lynx]

And the inside outside texture is separated on the middle of the window/door sil

That way you can’t see the seam when you put the window/door model there

[woven swallow]

good to know

thanks dude

since players are going to be interacting with the chimney, I want the Chimney to look awesome

[glossy lynx]

Are they going to be dropping down it?

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-gun-santa-claus-tom-kenny-paradise-pd-weapon-out-gif-16421126

[shell hedge]

open the sample weapon and you can see how its setup

open the m16 in workbench and look where the scene root is?

or rather where the weapon is related to the scene root

[woven swallow]

haha imagine?

[zenith quartz]

RHS's new radio looked cool so I wanted to make my own inferior version.

Draws inspiration from various Azart radios and some other random fictionalization 'cause fuuuuture.

Still doing the knob and antenna on the top, and side buttons.

[tacit eagle]

future should mean touch pad

[zenith quartz]

Probably not I think, since gloves, but at least not for a cheaper Eastern radio I think.

[glossy lynx]

Everything only needs to be it's own prefab if you plan to be able to spawn it in game that way

If you have an m16 you don't need to make a prefab with the scope because you can just let players attach them

But if you plan on giving AI the gun with the scope then you need to make it a prefab

[zenith quartz]

Having the ability to assign attachments in the soldier's prefab would be cool.

Rather than preset weapon prefabs. Just to avoid clutter.

[glossy lynx]

restart workbench

[upper nebula]

Hello Guys, im trying to import a simple house in Enfusion, I think im close, but i have an issue with the colliders, does my name on blender isnt the right one ?

[tidal latch]

you are missing layer preset and game material

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Enfusion_Blender_Tools:_Objects_Tools

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:FBX_Import#Physical_material_.28Game_material.29 take a look over here too - you might need to reset current collider settings

[upper nebula]

aaahm so it permit enfusion to emit sound with the proper kind of material I imagine

thanks a lot ! i will study theses two links

[zenith quartz]

Finished highpoly!

[woven swallow]

Try Ctrl + Alt + Shift + B

[tacit eagle]

Why is it when I import a model into the enfusion workbench that it is red, even after applying the texture files? Is it something to do with the base color on blender?

[delicate condor]

you might have added vertex colors to it

remove those

[tacit eagle]

Yep that was the issue

[midnight path]

almost...

check out the action manager component

compare it to the one u copied

so in actions manager

it has scr_pickupitemaction

?

well yeah im guessing no bones is the issue

well is a bone required to make a gun work?

ive been working on a car for a month, and getting bones to work is my issue

so im guessing its the same for guns

the tutorials are kind of spread out for stuff..

[shell hedge]

export skinning, export scene hierarchy

one of the two

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:FBX_Import

shouldnt matter if your action context is valid

I wonder if there needs to be a collider?

[tidal latch]

lack of colliders might cause it

[surreal ore]

@lucid bridge has to have view geo collider

[calm rune]

Also seems like a lot of UV maps for just one weapon. Assuming it’s a weapon right? 9 materials is a lot.

[patent flower]

more radio nonsence

[quiet fog]

that doesnt seem to do anything on my end. Do you by chance mean Shift+Ctrl+B for a vertex bevel?

[quiet fog]

im dying 😂

[midnight path]

its so funny looking LOL

the instructions for cars on the wiki is lacking so much stuff

so it looks like the LOD for the wheels on the sample car has its origin at the tip of the bone instead of the beginning

on my car the origin is in the center of the wheel

so it spins oblong like that

theres nothing on the wiki talking about that part

also not much about the 'CarProcAnimComponent'

which is required to make the wheels move visually

[surreal ore]

Did you read what i said this morning?

[tacit eagle]

the mesh needs to be triangulated is my guess

"Non orthogonal transformation on collider" I think this has to do with non uniform scale in object mode try resetting the scale on your objects

press ctrl + a in object mode on a model and hit apply rotation and scale

[tacit eagle]

round things do round things

what are you making?

if there something to change the center of mass?

[primal prawn]

does the uniform overrides the base body model or it just overlays it?

[tacit eagle]

dont know ive never really opened the sdk

[hasty basalt]

can you make it fly?

[woven swallow]

What are you talking about ? Lol

[hasty basalt]

a flying golf cart

[tacit eagle]

in bfbc you could just use AT mines to do this

[tacit eagle]

probably for the sling loops

[surreal ore]

@lucid bridge Not 100% but im pretty sure they're locations for sounds

[tacit eagle]

select the part and assign it

the auto is more for organic modeling

[delicate condor]

Are you using a lot of modifiers, those can take processing time after bone moves

[lavish ingot]

Anyone know what causes head gear model to stay visible in 1st person

[tacit eagle]

yes there is a way to turn it off while in fpv

[lavish ingot]

Do you know how

I thought it was just HeadClipping_A.edds added to the opacity map

[tacit eagle]

yep I think

[lavish ingot]

Ive got that on and makes no difference

[tacit eagle]

well did you do the opacity?

[lavish ingot]

What do you mean ?

[tacit eagle]

well you have have to assign the opacity white or black. typically its white for 100% opacity if im thinking how it should work

so that specific texture map for that hat would be all white in the correct file format

[lavish ingot]

I will try

[tacit eagle]

you have to make a copy of the color map or which ever map you have

and edit it

[lavish ingot]

this is the default one

[tacit eagle]

:S so low res

[lavish ingot]

the one that comes with the game

[tacit eagle]

https://youtu.be/SR8JiKQRzF8?t=514

[lavish ingot]

Thanks ill take a look

[tacit eagle]

just as a general overview on it

[lavish ingot]

No difference there

[tacit eagle]

@lavish ingot did you make it black so its invisible (if that standard for refrogers)

also make double sure that the file format is correct and that naming for the file fits the standards

[lavish ingot]

Makes no difference its odd because its fine on my other head gear and its exactly the same. Maybe i did something wrong in blender

[tacit eagle]

maybe restart the workbench

[lavish ingot]

Done that so many times 😂

[tidal latch]

You have to enable two params in materiál too

On phone now so check i. E. Sample headgear on github

[tacit eagle]

based reyhard

what's your poly count knight?

that's really high, 30k tris for the bi weapons. and thats 77k for 1 / 31 objects

that for lod 0?

[delicate condor]

armature modifier of course is a must for moving parts and triangulation should not be very heavt. but perhaps you are reaching limits of your hardware then.

[tacit eagle]

what gpu and cpu you got?

[delicate condor]

which draw mode you use?

rendering mode

wireframe-solid-textured-render

perhaps some sort of issue on how you had that set up then

[tacit eagle]

computationally heavy

make a save and copy of your blender file and apply the tri modifier

this is how I label my blend files I can make incremental saves of them

if something happens that I dont like I can go back

but yes apply the triangulate modifier, its used in game so that the game knows how each face is orientated

or you can just turn off the tri mod until after your done

some people do it before baking or after right before they import it into the game

[tacit eagle]

good uv for a round cube shape?

[calm rune]

Did you get the issue solved?

[buoyant nymph]

What's the word on this beauty?

[glossy lynx]

Not much at the moment as it is a lot of work
Still needs textures

[sick plume]

Well I love the other two thus far Space! Good job

[lavish ingot]

@calm rune sadly not

[last hill]

Did you add the parametric component to your prefab and set the two check boxes in the material?

Right down the bottom near the alpha mask settings there are two check boxes. I am not at my rig right now though so can't remember the options

[lavish ingot]

I will check

[willow sage]

Alpha blend & alpha bias at middle of the way on your object .emat

Check it on helmet emat an everything will be as you wanted it to be.

[lavish ingot]

Just makes it have loads of holes

[last hill]

Show us the material settings

If it is making it have holes, you've set it up wrong

That component will only hide the mesh in first person mode, unless you have the material set up incorrectly/wrong.

[lavish ingot]

Default and set to halfway

[tidal latch]

as I mentioned before, Allow User Alpha Bias & Disable User Alpha In Shadow are required https://github.com/BohemiaInteractive/Arma-Reforger-Samples/blob/main/SampleMod_NewCharacter/Assets/Characters/SampleCharacter/data/Headgear_Example_01.emat

you should not touch alpha test and alpha mul

[lavish ingot]

Thanks

[last hill]

Should be fixed now?

[lavish ingot]

It is thank god

i feel stupid now

[calm rune]

I honestly have no idea how to do it from scratch either and when I look at GitHub I still do not understand it. I just duplicate a vanilla headgear emat, change the name and assign my textures then drag into my models material slot.

[covert dune]

This is the way I'd have done it atleast

[agile crater]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392728823105323020/1065735010512011425/image.png

created a 3d into character creator and move it too the enfusion position

exported the mesh and transfers the weight

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392728823105323020/1065735096650440785/image.png

and its work 🙂

so you can creat your own character and import it in enfusion however with women model its will be more longer. indeed it will be necessary to have the sources of the animations in order to resize them to a feminine height so as not to have a woman of 1m80. Otherwise it will be necessary to redo all the animations of the game for a female character.

[delicate condor]

same as before then

except harder if the animations are not released

I was hoping it would be easier not but perhpas in A4

[agile crater]

it would be good for the game to have the sources of the animations or to have animations of several sizes.

to increase the immersion on the other hand it involves more work level 3d of clothes it is sure

[delicate condor]

more access to the animation via editor/coding would be good

or well preferably more adaptive animation system to begin with, but those are not easy to make

[agile crater]

@delicate condor im agree with you

how many textures are they in the Enfusion charactere ?

[young shard]

So you could probably resculpt the head aswell.

[agile crater]

@young shard
yes , take a look of character creator 4 .

[delicate condor]

the head will need to fit the head skeleton to work

[agile crater]

its work 🙂

[shut bloom]

Anyone have a clue why my normals are broken in Enfusion. works fine in Blender Marmoset and Substance so no clue what is causing this.

[tacit eagle]

where the broken?

[shut bloom]

its quite obvious 0.o

[tacit eagle]

maybe shading issue is everything tri

[shut bloom]

nope sadly not its a in engine problem it changes when the object is moved

[tacit eagle]

how does it look in blender?

[shut bloom]

fixed it

[delicate condor]

what was the issue/fix

[last hill]

It looks like a normal map issue when the model is being auto triangulated on import to the engine.

But that could be just me seeing that.

[shut bloom]

Idk had to rebake the whole thing 2 times and trial and error the shading for some reason something that normally works did not work correctly.

[shut bloom]

thats what i thought too but it wasnt

[delicate condor]

did you triangulate it before baking?

[shut bloom]

yes but that did not make a difference

[delicate condor]

does it have all smooth edges or does it also have hard/sharp edges defined?

[karmic adder]

Is there any reason as to why Reforger is rendering the characters head at LOD0 while in first person?
That's +40k triangles (5-10% of total) at all times, and for shadows, even LOD3 is easily good enough.

[bright raft]

This issue appears when you haven't marked the edge sharp in Blender before exporting to reforger.

[uneven vessel]

Since nobody else picked up on this - it's close to good, I'd suggest properly quadrifying so if you applied something like a 2d diamond pattern or stripes they wouldn't look slightly warped. If you haven't heard of/don't have ZenUV (good set of UV tools) and UVPackmaster (fantastic island packing), I'd recommend them: https://sergeytyapkin.gumroad.com/l/ZenUV https://uvpackmaster.com/

[tacit eagle]

when you guys do UVs do you try to group the parts together? I want to do that with my models for those who want to do retextures

[woven swallow]

Maybe I'm going way too far with this. lol

[tacit eagle]

why you put studs and beams

[delicate condor]

why not

😄

[hardy cairn]

For future destruction

[tacit eagle]

I love it but I'm not sure my FPS is going to love it.

[woven swallow]

Trying to create different versions of the same house.

• under construction
• completed version
• destroyed version

however, I might change some things. Haven't decided yet.
for example:

[tacit eagle]

Ah okay, excited to see how it comes out, having an area on the map thats like an under construction housing area sounds super cool.

[woven swallow]

bunch of cubes wont hurt FPS. the chimney might. working on it. trying to keep details without going crazy with the amount of polygons.

[woven swallow]

Just messing around with some smart materials in Substance Painter.

[sly bridge]

i personally don’t because it’s been a long while since i packed anything manually, my aim is to pack as tightly as possible and also keep a consistent texel density

for retexturing i’d rather render a colored masked and provide that instead

[white sigil]

@tacit eagle Quixel and Substance uses Color ID mask so as PuFu said its easier do that.. then group it also you can easily turn it into mask in PS

[sleek forum]

why is one of my items heavy and cant be picked up, even tho all the settings and weight are the same, it is a little bigger model tho

other items work fine

i found a fix, had set it up as scaler

[trail cave]

Don’t know if this is the right place for this , but I’m trying to get some models out of Arma into 3ds max to edit them , is there a tutorial on that ?

[delicate condor]

you cannot do that

[surreal ore]

@trail cave Are they models from the licensed data packs?

If so you can absolutely do that because that's what they're for.

Also if they're your models you can do so, or if you have explicit permission from the person who made them you can do so.

Also if they were released under certain licenses you can do so.

[trail cave]

Can you explain the licensing thing ?

[delicate condor]

nothing can be taken out of Arma though

sources are needed

like the released datafiles

[trail cave]

It’s more so from mods that are on arma , not arma specific Lu

Specifically *

[delicate condor]

then you need to ask for sources

you still cant take anything out of the mods

[trail cave]

Sources ? Like where they got those from ?

[delicate condor]

yes

[surreal ore]

You need to find out if they are released under share-alike

[delicate condor]

even share alike does not allow the models to be taken out

[surreal ore]

You're not allowed to unbin anything.

[delicate condor]

there is no scenario where you can take out a model from the game or a mod for editing

you will need to ask for a source model from the maker

and they dont have to give it to you

source models/data can be used if it is released separately with a license that allows its use

[trail cave]

Ahh there’s more to this then I thought

Well , is there a direction you can point to purchase or find good models ?

[delicate condor]

there are various 3d model trading sites. good models dont come cheap though and are usually not game ready anyway.

pretty much all cases of bought assets I've seen require quite a lot of adaptation to make things work and be performance optimized

Also you as the mod maker are responsible for making sure your outsourced assets are not ripped from other games.

[tacit eagle]

what you guys think geometry or texture?

880 tris vs 300 tris

[shut bloom]

well how big is the rest of the model ?

and how big is it in general.

also is it a General Prop or a Hero Object ?

But I Would prob do it in Texture.

[midnight path]

i need some advice

such small footprint polygon wise

but i want to have a better LOD0

[woven swallow]

Depends. if those details are meant to be seen by the player or not.

[midnight path]

but no matter what i do i get to like over 1 million poly

[delicate condor]

over a million???

[woven swallow]

lol

[midnight path]

way over

2-3million

[delicate condor]

you probably need full lowpoly remake of the mesh

[midnight path]

its as low poly as i can get it without making it look like ass

right now.

[delicate condor]

this in the picture?

[midnight path]

yes

[delicate condor]

how many poly is that?

oh there it is 62k triangles

[midnight path]

its in the scene

ye

[delicate condor]

so whats over million?

[midnight path]

so if i subdivide the shell like 2 times

it gets over 1 million

but looks perfect

[delicate condor]

A) you need to turn smooth shading on and setup smooth/sharp edges right

[midnight path]

yes that

how

[delicate condor]

B) you need to bake the normalmap out of the hightpoly on to the lowpoly to capture the details

select object, hit space, type in smooth

and then possibly turn on autosmooth in the vertex tab of the object

[woven swallow]

@midnight path , do you know the difference between low poly and high poly models?

[midnight path]

the complexity of the geometry?

[woven swallow]

you know how to bake high poly into low poly ?

[midnight path]

no

[woven swallow]

you need to know what high poly and low poly is. brother

[midnight path]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-ok-meme-gif-21668690

[tacit eagle]

1 million poly assets are pretty standard noaw in unreal games

[woven swallow]

Trying to find a video on youtube that explains the difference. very useful.

[midnight path]

thank you

[midnight path]

yes but what about arma lol

[delicate condor]

not

[tacit eagle]

no arma devs know what they are doing

[midnight path]

can i have my lod0 be 2 mil?

[woven swallow]

no

[midnight path]

since the distance is only like 30 meters

or is it because of how big the file would be

[woven swallow]

@midnight path bad practice not optomize

[delicate condor]

im gonna say you are wrong about that.

[woven swallow]

I agree to that

@midnight path
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS6gI1bAvPA&t=637s&ab_channel=FlippedNormalsMarketplace

[zenith quartz]

I'm remembering how much I hate doing organic shapes / subdivision.

My brain is just sitting here making dial up noises.

[midnight path]

so high\low baking is the new way to achieve high quality without using the actual geometry?

[zenith quartz]

Yeah.

You make a high poly for fancy shading and stuff.

And then you bake that all down onto a low poly which is used in-game.

[midnight path]

that blows my mind

[zenith quartz]

Here's a high poly.

Low poly.

High poly has all the bevels and the serrations and such.

[midnight path]

so the model i have right now, would be the low poly that i bake the high onto

[zenith quartz]

Yeah.

[midnight path]

if i make a high poly model using modifier do i have to hit apply

enfusion understands mirroring and stuff when its not applied so im assuming no?

[woven swallow]

the results of that baking is a normal map image

[tacit eagle]

no unreal devs almost always use 1 million poly assets and templates written using "3d programing nodes"

[woven swallow]

I don't recommend applying modifiers unless you really have to

[midnight path]

gotcha ok

[delicate condor]

no its very old way 😅

[delicate condor]

Im still fairly certain you are talking nonsense, but this is not unreal channel anyway. Lets stick to enfusion related things and advice that fits it

[midnight path]

i thought we were making better hardware to get higher poly counts

but now it doesnt matter as much if you can bake

[zenith quartz]

You could say it sounds... unrealistic.

[delicate condor]

🥁

[zenith quartz]

👉 😎 👉

[midnight path]

like what are the limitations

couldnt i just make a brick and bake my high poly on it and it looks like a car?

[delicate condor]

you can find lot of tutorials and explanations on how higpoly and lowpoly workflow works

on the web

[woven swallow]

I think he means this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC5KtatMcUw&ab_channel=UnrealEngine

[delicate condor]

in case further UE talk is needed it can continue at #other_games_chat

[midnight path]

wow

virtualized geometry

[covert dune]

Highpoly is painful. So so painful..

I've been trying to get good results for months

Trying to tame the subdivision makes me wanna cry.

[midnight path]

i am experiencing that right now

the space between the body of the car and doors now is messed up

[woven swallow]

I like to combine bevel modifier and subs 🙂

[covert dune]

Same

[midnight path]

subdivision rounds my windows

-.-

[covert dune]

You can work with bevel weights

thats how I do it

[tacit eagle]

sub d is the easy 😦

[woven swallow]

@midnight path use bevel modifier first then subs

@tacit eagle is the right way.

[delicate condor]

subdivision is not always the right way to do HP

[midnight path]

ooo neat trick

thank you

[covert dune]

bevel weights allow you to non-destructively bevel things, have things bevelled on different levels and more. That's why I like it

[woven swallow]

lol then how?

[tacit eagle]

I just make a base mesh 90% of the time and my high poly is just at most a modifier stack while my LP is just deleting some extra unneeded stuff and merging verts

[woven swallow]

normally I do my low poly then i achieve highpoly by adding subs and bevels..

[midnight path]

this is what im doing

[covert dune]

It's easier to increase detail than it is to decrease detail

I have heard

[delicate condor]

you might for example have details like bolts and panels and whatnot that dont exist on your LP model at all