enfusion_scenario

[final anvil]

when trying to loginto puiblish

[narrow latch]

just tested, when they don't have a defend waypoint, they hunt you down lol

[final anvil]

Okay, I was able to login by logging into ArmA Reforger first, but after bundling my mission and trying to upload I get:

DEFAULT   (E): Uploading failed! Reason: "Unauthorized"```

[nocturne marsh]

Thanks

[narrow latch]

can we manipulate a way points shape?

oh good, so they'll only react to things within the radius of a defend waypoint

not perfect but it's a good start for some CQB stuff

do you have to use an AI group?

[barren lava]

Hrm. I keep getting an error when I try to publish

BACKEND (E): [RestApi] ID:[5] Error Code:400 - Bad Request, ApiCode:
DEFAULT (E): Uploading failed! Reason: "Asset bundle manifest is invalid"
RESOURCES (E): Publishing failed

[grizzled sable]

Anyone know how to set Task For missions inside reformed tool

[dusty pike]

hey was wondering how can I disable AI movement?
assumed that disabling the AIpathfindingComponent would have brough similar results to A3's but the AI just disappears
ideas?

[narrow latch]

I think I saw something like a movement tick box in one of the components

[dusty pike]

disabled it too but it did nothing

[narrow latch]

yeah, im probably gonna take a break from the whole thing until more documentation comes

It wouldn't surprise me if someone makes a "Editor EZ Mode" mod that comes with a bunch of stuff already set up

[calm yew]

hopefully we get something more akin to 3den in the future lmao

if not, learning curve gonna get a bit steeper

[visual flame]

How do you make AI walk to a waypoint rather than run to it?

[narrow latch]

And ya know what, even if Bohemia doesn't make it, a modder probably will lol

[calm yew]

yep

[narrow latch]

I think the patrol waypoint makes them walk

and it won't be like some kind of third party editor I reckon, if they make it using the SDK it'll probably be just like Eden

[dusty pike]

my best bet so far for the movement disabling is giving them a very small defend waypoint but they move a little

[visual flame]

tbh this editor is great. It's kinda like a game engine with the prefabs and all

[narrow latch]

that's what it is

Workbench is Bohemia's Unity/Unreal

[dusty pike]

I hope a dev can clarify in the morning

[narrow latch]

it's just pre-loaded with some basic arma stuff

[visual flame]

yeah

if you know Unity or Unreal you're fine

[calm yew]

yep, it's way more open and flexible alright

[visual flame]

just need to know how the game components work

[calm yew]

only problem I see is for those that are not used to it, which well.. rip

[wheat valve]

is there a way to set a limited number of respawns?

[visual flame]

If I want the AI to cycle, can I just give them the cycle waypoint and add the rest of the waypoints to the cycle waypoint itself?
it seems to work

[narrow latch]

Learned some things about the Defend Waypoint earlier, atleast from my testing, they won't react to anything outside the waypoint unless they see you or getting shot

but gunfire won't trigger them to react

[visual flame]

Were you able to change their formations?

There's the AIFormationComponent

[narrow latch]

There's a formation thing you type into

I used one man groups though because I was trying to do a CQB thing

[visual flame]

ah gotcha

Is there any way to play the scenario in game without publishing it?

[narrow latch]

Publish as private or test

[final anvil]

do placed objects not save in mission files?

[solar shard]

If its not already answered. Hat the same. My original Eden instance hat the weather manager also added. Just disable it and voila.

So I was not mad. Thanks to you and all you BI folks!

[proud sorrel]

Maybe I'm missing it, but is there a way to import prefabs from other addons without inheriting a dependency?

I'd d like to work with exO's awesome prefabs in a separate mission without requiring downloads of both

[solid timber]

can you unpack the prefab (can't remember the exact terminology in enfusion) then remove the dependency?

[torn wyvern]

I have a problem with the layers i created in world editor yesterday. I tried to organise my stuff a bit to prevent me from moving or altering it accidentally. I wanted to continue, but now the additional layers i created are not "loaded" in the editor, there is only the "default"-layer. Is it possible to get the two other layers back into my world?

[rich niche]

Can you please share your whole Worlds folder? They layers should be exactly where you are pointing to.

[torn wyvern]

sure thing. i got the world and the layers in a extra folder inside my project folder ("...\Arma Reforger Projects\sTsGamemasterEveron\Worlds")

[rich niche]

Something went wrong. The sTsGamemasterWorld.ent includes information about only one layer and others are missing. Not sure how it happened, but if you can reproduce send us repro steps.

SubScene {
 Parent "worlds/Eden/Eden.ent"
}
Layer default {
 Index 0
}

[torn wyvern]

i already was able to reproduce it, i tried to remember the steps i did yesterday and i have the exact same problem now

1. New project
2. New folder called "Worlds"
3. Open World Editor and load Eden as a base
4. Create sub-world > "Save world as" in "Worlds" folder
5. Put Prefab "Gamemode_Editor_Full.et" in default layer
6. Put Prefab "SpawnPoint_US.et" in default layer
7. Save default layer (right click > save)
8. Create new layer "Spawnpoints"
9. Put before mentioned Spawnpoint into "Spawnpoints"-layer
10. Save that layer (right click > save)
11. Create new layer "Setup"
12. Drop before mentioned GameMode_Editor into "Setup"-layer
13. Save that layer (right click > save)
14. Close World Editor (Its not asking to save anything!)
15. Close Enfusion Workbench completly
16. Start it again and load the project
17. Open world in "worlds" folder
18. Both created layers with their contents are missing inside world editor and no entry for the layers inside world.ent

[wheat valve]

how do you enable radio spawning from the workbench?

[marsh turret]

Anybody managed to make a vehicle (say a truck) an Arsenal and/or Forward Spawn?

[torn wyvern]

i have no clue if i did everything right with the ticket, was the first i created on the feedback tracker 😄 i hope it helps. Tried to reproduce twice, same result: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T165071

[wheat valve]

@marsh turret no but if you figure it out can you please hook a brother up?

[marsh turret]

sure!

[zinc wharf]

@sullen talon just reposting some findings I found last night (regarding versioning) - just in case you missed it...

@ex0, just did some testing regarding the versioning we discussed.

I pointed my dedicated server to a few different old versions, the server had no trouble loading the addons (even the versions that were at the time 'private') but when I tried to connect as a client (with no addons downloaded) I would get a generic error instead of the usual 'confirm download' panel.

After changing the version back to the latest, everything works fine again - so yes there must be some form of versioning, but it seems flawed right now. I could upload an update to my addon and potentially break peoples servers (those using my addon)?

Just reporting my findings, in-case it needs investigating.

Thanks!

[narrow path]

use the patrol waypoint

[sullen talon]

Will check with the workshop people, will let you know once I have a definitive answer 🙂

[zinc wharf]

Thanks, just figured it might be a cause for concern your end!

[narrow path]

For map topology and background u need the mapentity component, and in Object Properties > Unsorted you put EveronRasterized.edds in to the Satellite background image and eden.topo in the map geometry data.

[sturdy sonnet]

does this work to start a server too ? so you can play with friends on this scenario without publishing it

[sullen talon]

No, you should publish your scenario and run the server with it, so they can download it straight in game.

[sturdy sonnet]

okok so you can't even if everyone has the scenario already downloaded on their pc

if you publish the scenario under "private" or "test" option, people can still download it when they try to join the server ?

https://i.imgur.com/Dzspy4l.png

[sullen talon]

They won't be able to download it if it's private

[sullen talon]

I am not sure about that, you could try!

[spark lynx]

Anyone had issues here with the game freezing when loading into mission?

Was directed here by a dev

Pretty sure it's not the mission because I haven't changed anything in mission since it was working 😂

(Freezes on a black screen)

Also works fine in world editor

[worn cedar]

With no prior coding knowledge i started to learn how to do the SQF stuff in arma 3 and can say i got quite far with it. Thats now roughly 2 years ago. But this new enfusion stuff is a whole new level of complicated lol.

[narrow path]

Welcome to c# :D

has anyone figured out the task stuff yet? I cant seem to make heads or tails of it

[vast oar]

@slow thicket nice KOTH. how did you pull the loadouts from Capture & Hold?

and is there an easy way to modify them or would that require extra tinkering

[narrow path]

the loadouts are based off the prefabs for the rifleman, gl,tl etc etc and you use the loadoutmanager for them

[vast oar]

under which prefab folder is is the rifleman, gl etc

ah found it

@narrow path help me find the loadoutmanager? 🙂

[narrow path]

in the resource browser there is a search bar in the top left corner, in there you can type "Loadoutmanager_USxUSSR.et" and you drag that in to the game world, make sure to click on the arma reforger folder before searching as it searches what ever folder u currently have selected

[vast oar]

interesting its not part of CAH_BaseWorld even though that game mode comes with loadout manager

[narrow path]

it should be, who ever made CAH may have either had to modify the prefab or renamed it

[vast oar]

or im bad at searching! ill keep looking

[narrow path]

for example i am using Ex0's coop sample loadoutmanager

[narrow path]

go to ArmaReforger > Prefabs > MP > Managers > Loadouts

[vast oar]

ah right

i was searching wrong thanks for the help

[narrow path]

vnpnp

[sullen talon]

Each scenario provides its own manager, check out how e.g. CAH_Morton is done

[vast oar]

is there a slotting system anywhere? for example when joining a team, instead of just choosing a role, there would be a list of roles (SL, FTL1, FTL2, Medic, AT, AR, etc)? because with the loadoutmanager everyone can have the same loadout if they wanted

[zinc wharf]

I asked about this yesterday, currently there is no example - we would have to come up with our own solution. I am assuming this would include UI layout as well.

[vast oar]

yeah i had a feeling. theres probably no interface for this yet, and probably do it like in arma 3 by spawning an AI and then letting the player take control of it seamlessly

[zinc wharf]

I am sure Bohemia will release more examples over time, like C&H. But I also get the feeling that a lot more is possible with this new Workshop, you just need more of a developer background.

[vast oar]

yeah

[zinc wharf]

A lot of people will be relying solely on modifying examples from other people, not that much different from SQF in the old editor.

[vast oar]

ye there will proably be a handful of CBA/ACE/ACRE type developers, and a bunch of people who just edit existing scripts

[zinc wharf]

my only concern is with how the workshop will become oversaturated with useless tests and junk

[vast oar]

its already happening theres 14 pages with maybe total of 3 useful mods

im sure they will redesign the way mods are presented and searched for over time

maybe allow publishing a mod semi-publicly based on the user's Arma 3 Unit thingy

so communities could publish their stuff only to community members

[sullen talon]

C&H has UI as well

[zinc wharf]

another issue is, as soon as an addon is published, it almost has to stay forever. Other people download it and create a dependency. If you had the ability to just delete it, you could break other peoples addons and servers.

Imagine that something popular like ACE gets released for a few months, then one day the guy who uploaded it decides to remove it from the workshop. That would cause havoc.

So this begs the question, when do addons get cleaned up? If ever...

Hopefully more light gets shed on things like this over time.

[zinc wharf]

Sure, I meant specifically for slot based loadouts.

[iron dust]

but this issue has always existed with the workshop before

if a mod is gone, it's gone and everyone who has dependencies on it will have issues

[zinc wharf]

Yes, I guess you are right...

Does the server download the required addons locally?

[west karma]

Isn't it therefore a good thing that that issue has been fixed?

[iron dust]

is it fixed? i have no idea, i just reacted to that line

not sure if i would call that "fixed", though. if i want to remove my mod from the workshop, i should be allowed to

[proud stream]

it would break a lot of servers and result in chaos in a lot of cases

[iron dust]

sure, but again, me as a mod creator, if i want to remove my mod, i want it removed

there can be plenty reasons for why i want to remove it

[solid timber]

does deleting a mod on the workshop actually remove it from subscribers computers?

[proud stream]

you can just decide to not continue supporting it, it will fade anyway then

[iron dust]

not necessarily

also there can be many reasons for wanting to delete a mod

[proud stream]

for example ?

[iron dust]

first coming to mind: if a mod gives you a bad name due to whatever issues

another one would be if something is broken and people keep writing you about it, but you have no way of fixing it / simply don't want to bother

[slow thicket]

I believe thats from the loadout manager. I added everything that you see in Capture & Hold.

[iron dust]

or i might simply not want people to use my mod x anymore. i shouldn't have to come up with a justification

[proud stream]

well you should be concious about if you put something on the internet it stays for good. i mean even if you would delete it from the workshop. i have backups of that mod locally and can still use it

[iron dust]

that said, i could also just sabotage the mod with uploading broken/blank files.

[proud stream]

sounds terrible lol

[iron dust]

well, if i want the mod gone but have no way of doing that any other way, that's what i'm going to do

[solid timber]

fair warning: the world editor's response to loading invalid conf files in a conf field is to crash 😄

[west karma]

I wonder how you worked that out 😛

[solid timber]

mercifully just after i saved 👼

[west karma]

I guess you could republish it as private?

[hot sandal]

Keeping it classy I guess considering Arma 1,2,3 also routinely crashed on errors in the description.ext.

[solid timber]

haha at least it was saved by the time you got into arma 😄

[iron dust]

at this point it makes no difference to completely deleting it from the workshop tho :>

but it's another good example for why not being able to remove workshop items is not a good thing

[west karma]

How do you mean? Can people still access it if it's private?

[west karma]

I mean most things crash if you have errors in core files 😛

[iron dust]

no, i mean if it's private, dependencies would be f'd in the same way as if the item is just deleted for real. so it doesn't really make a difference not being able to delete a mod -- there are lots of ways to disable it for others

[west karma]

Yeah but I just meant as a temporary fix for you now

With triggers how do I get it to trigger if a certain faction goes into it?

[proud stream]

dude i just realized, you can publish mods without showing the username, that way the mod is by "unknown". That fixes about every problem why you wanted to delte a mod theoretically speaking

[iron dust]

i have more reasons for deleting mods 😄

[proud stream]

if nobody knows who you are, no bad rep risk, no contacting and so so

[west karma]

I mean we should definitely be able to delete mods at some point because it's your mod so you should be able to do what you like with it, but for now you can set it to private and hopefully in the future they will add the function to delete it

[proud stream]

this will just result in peoplke running server running local backups and reupping them .

[west karma]

They probably will anyway incase updates break things

If they're paranoid

Nvm I found the end Game on Empty bit

[iron dust]

exactly

and again, if i want to, i can sabotage everything anyways with just updating with broken files

[hot sandal]

Anyone knows if the engine allows for a proper pause on Esc? Or is it always running? Even the "SP" tutorial mission continues to run when you're in the menu or something.

[solar shard]

Just a question around. I saw somehwere the possibility to spawn at an RTO. But cant find it in respawnmanagers. Did, by any chance, saw someone somethinh similar?

[sturdy ore]

is there a tutorial for player waypoints? i got AI WP´s working, but no clue how to set them for players

[west karma]

Player waypoints are for the weak! Map and compass!

[sturdy ore]

yeah, not to see them.. invisible, just to add messages and stuff

[west karma]

Idk I'm still working on triggers

[sturdy ore]

also, if i use "get in" WP for AI, followed by a "Move" WP, they get in the car, then hop out again and walk to that secound WP.

[waxen fossil]

AI cant drive yet

[sturdy ore]

ah ok, thanks

can they at least shoot the guns?

[waxen fossil]

not yet

[sturdy ore]

good to know, thanks

[west karma]

INTERESTING

OK so I have a trigger where if you run into it the game ends

Hmmm

[full bolt]

Hey all, so I’m in the process of creating a custom terrain, but I can’t figure out how to create a loadable scenario on it. What components are necessary for, for example, a game master scenario to be loadable?

[sturdy ore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJimkvlGj9I

[sturdy ore]

minimum you need a gamemode, a faction manager and a spawn point

[full bolt]

Alright, that’s interesting, since I have those, but the map still doesn’t seem to have a loadable scenario. Let me give that video a watch and I’ll come back to it.

[sturdy ore]

how?

[west karma]

I'll be updating my guide when I am sure 😄

[sturdy ore]

awesome.. you already got some guides? would love to see

[west karma]

BUT I think I have worked out triggers to some extent, got a trigger where it ends the game when all the enemies in a certain area are dead

[west karma]

Very basic:
https://github.com/Herbiie/ArmAReforgerMissionMakingGuide/wiki/ArmA-Reforger-Mission-Making---Getting-Started

[sturdy ore]

awesome, thanks

[solid timber]

anyone know how to change the default character you spawn as when using the camera position play?

[west karma]

But basically adding a trigger entitiy and doing the + on the Script and adding an onActivation or onDeactivation script then putting in the code for ending the mission from the Sample COOP

[solar shard]

Map and compass? Remove everything! Only the stars and a sketch in your briefing like in OFP 2001 ^^

[sturdy ore]

nice guide. good job. you should add how to cycle Waypoints

[solar shard]

thats pretty easy (for AI). you find it in my tutorial map ( https://github.com/Zealous666/AR_NightOps1985 ) but basically, just add the waypoints and a cycle waypoint. In the cycle waypoint you have settings to add the others to it.

[west karma]

I'm going to get a basic mission working with briefing & end conditions before doing other stuff

Though I'm not sure how/if briefings work atm

[solar shard]

Take a look in the coop sample. The coopGameMode has a onRespawnBriefing entity

there you can add all the stuff

if you start my NightOps mission from the workshop you see it up and running. You can add the same node to other game managers

[sturdy ore]

awesome, will try. thx

[solar shard]

as said, the source code (which I update regularly) is on the github above

[west karma]

Yeah it's my next To Do after trigger

[solar shard]

its mostly based on the stuff the awesome folks here in discord discovered the last 48hours and the stuff @sullen talon from Bohemia.net provided us with the sample coop and personal support here in the channel

[sullen talon]

I am still trying to build up on top of the coop - stay tuned. If god allows, there should be an updated version with Tasks example this evening, so you can have some fun during the weekend!

[solar shard]

I love you tyrande

now its said. Seriously, the way you support the community in this kickoff is on point

[sullen talon]

Oh hey, look - it shows! 😄

[solar shard]

why is a Bohemia guy surprised by this? ^^

that prooves that arma and ofp is sorcery, magical stuff build by its own

[sullen talon]

I never used tasks before, courtesy of @quasi jay - he's assisting me right now 🙂 Kudos to him as well

[solar shard]

@quasi jayso I love him too. Important in this difficult times

[quasi jay]

Love u too! ❤️

[solar shard]

Has anybody figured out placing some sort pr markers?
Thanks to @solid timber I was able to place a simple pink square but that doesn’t make any sense

[solid timber]

well you can also place fuel station markers and tree markers with that method!!!

[solar shard]

Tactical Fuel Station

[solid timber]

always be prepared

[solar shard]

@sullen talon just figured out, you can add several aiRespawn prefabs to a trigger. That reduces the amount of queries a lot. Great!

[mental cove]

My first proper mission almost done, just need a map marker to tell the player where to go and its golden

[charred karma]

think ya pinged the wrong person @solar shard

[solar shard]

Seems like a discord issue. I am sorry!

[charred karma]

No worries, just saw me getting credited for something and was like, "huh, that doesnt seem right"

[solar shard]

Weired

[sullen talon]

C&H CaptureArea has MapDescriptor usage

[solar shard]

Ah. Im sorry

[solar shard]

Yeah its the map descriptor I’m already using. Just not getting through the details. Will find out. Thx

[solid timber]

i was trying to reverse engineer the CAH capturearea code and not having a lot of luck

it seems to set a lot of variables in the descriptor that aren't available to the component inspector/editor

btw, its not great, but the best visible at high zoom marker ive come up with is using the Name City type 😄

obviously makes all your markers look like city names, but...

looks like so. it does the job at least to give some direction given there is no player marker 😄 i added the # to make it clear it was different

[radiant summit]

Did you make the night ops mission?

Oh wow what a coincidence you’re typing right now 😂

[solar shard]

Well. Combined with the Ingame visible comment entity (looks like a draw3d thing) its almost a task marker. But ex0 is on the way for the true solution 😂

[radiant summit]

I have played it 3 times and have not been able to trigger the win conditions. I’ve even destroyed the truck

[solar shard]

Yes fellow friend

[solar shard]

That is bad and sounds like s new bug since it worked fine some hours ago. I feel it has something to do that I spawn several squads with one trigger. Im with my kid outdoor right now but will look into it later. Thank you.

[solar shard]

So you figured out too that it needs an enormous amount of RPGs to destroy a normal truck 😂

Normally the mission ends when the guards directly defending the truck are dead. But I plan to make a secondary objective by destroying the truck via event handler.

[radiant summit]

yeah, 3-4 I think?

[radiant summit]

I’ll try it again. I’m pretty sure there was like 5 of them. Maybe 6, and I checked every building in the area as well

[solar shard]

Yeah thats why I’m planning to make a secondary objective

But sounds like a bug. Thank you!

[solar shard]

Just too much if you ask me

[solar shard]

If its that much fun to rinse and repeat such a simple mission its more then I expected 😉

[full bolt]

Well shit. I have no clue why this isn't working. I have all of the modules down, the config files for the missions, and they work in the editor, but in the workshop, there's no scenarios on the map.

There's gotta be something else that needs to be done in order for these scenario configs to actually load

[solar shard]

Did you follow the sticky? Regarding „addon folder“ and placeholder after publishing?

[radiant summit]

I like cooperative content and I’m looking forward to what Reforger could offer. Not really big on pvp in a game like this, unless it’s a Battle Royale or something. So I’m playing/testing whatever is on the workshop haha. But yeah it was fun, even went around looking for Patrols.

[solar shard]

Break. \ am I crazy or are the backpacks gone? I see them in inventory but not on characters visually

[solar shard]

They do exist. Some trigger fired. Some persistent.

(Patrols)

[full bolt]

Which sticky are you referring to? I'm not seeing the one you mean

[radiant summit]

Yeah I killed a lot after I couldn’t get the mission to end. What are the green icons on the map? Mission related?

[solar shard]

Its by me and very early. About scenarios not showing Ingame

[sullen talon]

Setting up user actions is now pinned in #enfusion_scripting :
#enfusion_scripting message

[solar shard]

No clue what you are talking about

[radiant summit]

If you zoom into the target area (red), there’s a green symbol there too. Also in another area where enemies were

[crisp rain]

https://tenor.com/view/applause-leonardo-dicaprio-clap-gif-9602869

[radiant summit]

any chance we get a feedback channel for usermade stuff?

[solar shard]

A pink one by any chance? Thats part of testing around with markers. Nothing more.

But that’d very offtopic here

[radiant summit]

Nope, green. I’ll get a screenshot later

[solar shard]

Dont know. Seriously

[west karma]

Damn thought I had triggers but it turns out I don't 😢

@solar shard Have you got an end condition where if an area is clear it ends?

[solar shard]

not exactly. I have a condition, based on ex0 works, where a specific group has to be neutralized

[odd perch]

@sullen talon Hi, do you know if there is any way to set fixed slots with predefined loadouts?

[west karma]

Hm yeah.
I've got a trigger where if a specific unit dies it ends using the onDeactive script with the endGame script for ex0, which I thought I could use as an area trigger but if you kill one enemy the game ends

[solar shard]

should be fixed by now. Just tested it and it works. I splitted the dynamic spawned group, which is mission critical in an own trigger, while all other town groups which arent mission ciritical are still one second trigger together. If you update the map in the workshop and try again I HOPE its fine now.

[proud sorrel]

Your guide is a godsend btw. Helped me out a lot

[proud sorrel]

Thanks for sharing the VOD. I need to make a more focused video 😅

[west karma]

https://github.com/Herbiie/ArmAReforgerMissionMakingGuide/wiki/ArmA-Reforger-Mission-Making---Getting-Started#ending-the-mission-ignore-this-for-now-it-doesnt-work-

Is what I was doing

[west karma]

Well I got most of the start of it from your twitch stream 😛

[proud sorrel]

I'm VERY interested in that trigger inactivation example. Literally all I need to finish the mission for my Tutorial video @west karma

[sullen talon]

Not atm, you'd have to script it 😦

[west karma]

Well it's in the wiki link now but it's not functioning exactly how I want - it's ending when 1 person dies 😦

[odd perch]

thats what I thought, It appears that mission defined playable groups aren't even registered in the gui

[west karma]

Can you do max loadouts per group?

Also @sullen talon would you mind looking at the trigger example here and tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree?
https://github.com/Herbiie/ArmAReforgerMissionMakingGuide/wiki/ArmA-Reforger-Mission-Making---Getting-Started

[proud sorrel]

exO is a king btw 👑

[solar shard]

Absolutely. Praise BI. Hype 😂

[full bolt]

So I've gone through everything in here, and the scenarios are still not showing up in the workshop. I've got my directory outside of my addons folder, i've tried with a missions folder, without a missions folder, but nothing I'm doing here is actually causing the map to display playable scenarios below it

[sullen talon]

Yeah, I don't fancy the in-world scripts and I'd rather see a modular component framework for this, but hopefully together we'll get there at some point. For now it will get the job done ✅

[west karma]

Was that a yes I'm barking or it should work but you hate it? 😛

At the moment it's not working how I want it to because I think the script runs every time an enemy dies - so you kill one and the game ends

[sullen talon]

It's ok-ish. 😄

[west karma]

😄

Any idea how I solve my problem though?

[sullen talon]

Well it's working just as expected - any time [any] character leaves the trigger, it ends the game - just as it's written. Instead consider something like this:

protected int m_iCount; // keep count of enemies
protected FactionKey m_sFactionKey = "USSR"; // enemy faction

bool IsEnemy(IEntity ent)
{
    SCR_ChimeraCharacter ch = SCR_ChimeraCharacter.Cast(ent);
    if (!ch)
        return false; // checking character only
    
    Faction f = ch.GetFaction();
    if (!f)
        return false; // must have faction
    
    return f.GetFactionKey() == m_sFactionKey; // must be target faction
}

override void OnActivate(IEntity ent)
{
    if (!IsEnemy(ent))
        return;
    ++m_iCount;
}

override void OnDeactivate(IEntity ent)
{
    if (!IsEnemy(ent))
        return;
    
    --m_iCount;
    if (m_iCount <= 0)
        OnEmptied();
}

void OnEmptied()
{
    // Clear game mode here
}```

[west karma]

Awesome! I shall pretend I know what any of that means and copy and paste it in 😄

[crisp rain]

Dang I was trying to write a script to help you but ex0 beat me to it >:(

[odd perch]

@sullen talon If I am reading this right this is on the trigger and counting entities in and out. I assume if the enemy leave then it will still fire

as in walk out

[sullen talon]

Yes

[odd perch]

ok, I guess a timer could give some wiggle room

[solar shard]

Which is actually great for typical „present“ / „not present“ trigger once we established some more prefabs to use it with. Like createVehicle or setTaskState…

[hazy wyvern]

In the world editor, how to you play as a character/prefab you put down?

[exotic reef]

@sullen talon it appears that since dead characters physically remain inside the trigger, they do not trigger OnDeactivate. is there an efficient solution to detect once all soldiers of a faction have either left or died an area?

[crisp rain]

clean up those dead bodies :P

[left lava]

How to make tasks ?

[solar shard]

Maybe with an eventHandler onDestroyed counting them == counting all?!

[solar shard]

We dont know but looking forward to figure it out

@sullen talon your AISpawn prefab does not allow to store the created group in a variable, or do I miss something?

[west karma]

Are you sure? Because mine was firing when they died

[solar shard]

I will take a look in the scripting documentation regarding missionNamespace and profileNamespace for that matter

[west karma]

https://github.com/Herbiie/TriggerTest

That was working when you killed one of the two guys

[carmine swan]

cc @exotic reef it's because of the trigger prefab. In this test, you're using the SCR_CampaignBuildingTrigger which, if you look at class for it it has methods that are essentially checking for the entities in the trigger area to be alive. Specifically, there's an OnDeath method in there that is assigned to the character entity's death invoker meaning that when the character dies, it will invoke that method. OnDeath in this context will remove the item from the array of entities within the the trigger area.

Likewise, there is another method in there called CanBlockPreview which is also checking if the entities within the trigger area are character controllers, if they are it checks if they are alive. if they are not alive, it also removes them from the array of entities within the trigger area.

I was going to try and provide code examples, but that would be way too long of a post lol

[exotic reef]

thanks...but it doesn't seem to work on my end. i shoot them but the game doesn't end

[carmine swan]

TL;DR: naizarak is right in that if you just throw down a base trigger with that script, it will continue to detect dead characters unless you explicitly tell it to ignore them

[exotic reef]

i'll give it a look, i was using the basic trigger which doesn't appear to filter dead entities

lol exactly what you said

[carmine swan]

Yeah, you need to explicitly do it yourself in your own script, or just use the campaign building trigger prefab that Herbiie is using because that does it for you it looks like

[mental cove]

Whenever I reload the editor, the playable factions I have set, the time of day and some other attributes on the Game mode prefab i am using are being reset. I also notice that this reset happens when publishing to the workshop also. Does anyone have any idea why this might be?

[solar shard]

I noticed similar stuff but I think it was because there were same in the origin world I just dubbed

[mental cove]

im thinking its maybe something to do with the prefabs being in GM_Eden rather than the new world, but when i move them I spawn in the ocean?

[solar shard]

I deactivated them in gm_eden via checkbox and locked the layer. That solved it mostly.

[exotic reef]

actually nvm, the trigger does work. switching to zeus is what kept the EndGameMode() from working

[full bolt]

Zeal, thank you for the help, I managed to eventually get it working after copying the file structure from Exo's sample.

[solar shard]

Deactivate those in gm Eden or delete them and use your own in your new world. That worked for me.

[solar shard]

Stratis? Seriously? AWESOME!

[mental cove]

yeah i just tried that and got the ocean spawn, copied everything from GM_eden, pasted into my world, disabled the ones left in GM_eden and locked the layer. Ocean spawn and stuff still reseting

[solar shard]

FUBAR

[full bolt]

Looks like shit too because of the lack of textures lmao

[solar shard]

Im looking forward to it

[west karma]

Purely through trial and error!

[solar shard]

Thats what describes my last 72hrs free time 😉

[waxen fossil]

@slow thicket are you sure AI respawning is working in your mission? I was testing it in SP before throwing it on a server but the AI seems to stop respawning

[west karma]

So I plugged this into the Trigger Script but nothing happens:

{
    // user script
    protected int m_iCount; // keep count of enemies
    protected FactionKey m_sFactionKey = "USSR"; // enemy faction
    
    bool IsEnemy(IEntity ent)
    {
        SCR_ChimeraCharacter ch = SCR_ChimeraCharacter.Cast(ent);
        if (!ch)
            return false; // checking character only
        
        Faction f = ch.GetFaction();
        if (!f)
            return false; // must have faction
        
        return f.GetFactionKey() == m_sFactionKey; // must be target faction
    }

    override void OnActivate(IEntity ent)
    {
        if (!IsEnemy(ent))
        return;
        ++m_iCount
    }

    override void OnDeactivate(IEntity ent)
    {
        if (!IsEnemy(ent))
        return;
    
        --m_iCount;
        if (m_iCount <= 0)
            OnEmptied();
    }
    
    void OnEmptied()
    {
        SCR_BaseGameMode gameMode = SCR_BaseGameMode.Cast(GetGame().GetGameMode());
        Faction faction = GetGame().GetFactionManager().GetFactionByKey("US");
        int usIndex = GetGame().GetFactionManager().GetFactionIndex(faction);
        gameMode.EndGameMode(SCR_GameModeEndData.CreateSimple(SCR_GameModeEndData.ENDREASON_EDITOR_FACTION_VICTORY, -1, usIndex));
    }

};

[solar shard]

How do you check !isEnemy. To whom?

[west karma]

That's the first boolean

so the bool IsEnemy at the top checks if the faction of the entity matches the enemy factionkey at the very top

Not entirely sure how it's pulling the unit through but I'm guessing it's the SC_ChimeraCharacter.Cast(ent)

[exotic reef]

try calling super on the event handlers, otherwise you're bypassing the trigger's internal functionality

[west karma]

It's Ex0's script, I don't know what that means haha

[odd perch]

this script only works if you are despawning dead bodies as they still count as entities

[west karma]

But the trigger should be ignoring that, unless what @exotic reef is saying is that the script is ignoring that and I have to do something else

But idk what calling super on the event handlers means

[exotic reef]

do super.OnActivate(ent), super.OnDeactivate(ent)

in the respective handlers

[odd perch]

Entity is passed to IsEntity script by the OnActive method which triggers on an entity enters a trigger. the trigger behaviour passes the entity that triggered it

what naizarak says

[west karma]

So just like:

{
    if (!IsEnemy(ent))
        return;
    ++m_iCount;
}```

Or am I being dumb? 🙂

[odd perch]

it calls the base class method I believe

super.onactivate should be in the method

basically it calls the base class function and then does what you want to do

[west karma]

Soooo

override void OnActivate(IEntity ent)
{
    if (!IsEnemy(ent))
        return;
    ++m_iCount;
  super.OnActive
}

? I have literally 0 c# or c++ experience (can you tell)

[exotic reef]

if you override a method, calling super will run the base class's method first before your custom code

[odd perch]

it needs to be called first however

sorry naizarak stepping on your toes

[west karma]

{
    super.OnActive;
    if (!IsEnemy(ent))
        return;
    ++m_iCount;
}```

?

[odd perch]

👍

[exotic reef]

lol it's ok i didn't invent programming

[west karma]

Thanks guys, you get added to the thanks on the tutorial

Hmm I got validation errors for can't find variable onActivate or onDeactivate

[final anvil]

Hey, I noticed you can delete base-game terrain objects but for some reason they pop back up after you publish the mission

Does anyone know how to fix that?

[odd perch]

its a bug

you aren't supposed to edit the world terrain

[final anvil]

oop

alright then

thank you

[odd perch]

it makes sense if you think about it. you want to redownload the map for a new mission?

[final anvil]

Not reallyh

[odd perch]

shame would have been cool

[final anvil]

But, nothing similar to hide object in A3?

[odd perch]

not that I am aware

[final anvil]

dambn

[odd perch]

perhaps a script could remove the mesh

[final anvil]

just gotta work around things then

[odd perch]

but no idea how to target the mesh objects

also the nav mesh wouldn't reflect the change

[mental cove]

most objects have a visible tag as far as I can tell, maybe changing that. Though it is likely that those attributes reset just like the objects you delete

But maybe changing that tag when the mission runs with a script?

[west karma]

Hmm so I got to :

override void OnActivate(IEntity ent)
    {
        super.OnActivate(IEntity ent);
        if (!IsEnemy(ent))
            return;
        ++m_iCount;
    }
    
    override void OnDeactivate(IEntity ent)
    {
        super.OnDeactivate(IEntity ent);
        if (!IsEnemy(ent))
            return;
        
        --m_iCount;
        if (m_iCount <= 0)
            OnEmptied();
    }

But now get a missing ; for after the super. for both of them?

[exotic reef]

super.OnActivate(ent);

[west karma]

Thanks, it validated, let's see if it works!

Need to learn me some coding methinks

[crisp rain]

more info on super and modding file structure in general if you haven't read it yet https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Scripting_Modding

[solar shard]

That dont works. Tried it yesterday in many ways.

[mental cove]

yeah I think i might have fixed it now, I just copied everything from my custom world, made a new world that didnt inherit from GM_eden then pasted (ctrl+shift+v) for absoloute position. Also copied everything from my old world that was before in GM_eden into the new world

It seems to be the same issue that Trigon was talking about with objects, anything not in your custom world gets reset on publish

[solar shard]

The only issue is, that any map updates won’t be happening then for you?

[mental cove]

yeah it also seems that the weather manager is in the base eden world, so that is still reset

[solar shard]

I actually deleted it totally from the base world instead of disabling it and now its fine.

Maybe its back when the game receives an update like yesterday. I dont know.

[west karma]

So that script wasn't working... but now I went back to check and just put the end mission in the onDeactivate and it did work (when all of them were dead it ended), but it also ended when I died.

I am most confused.

[mental cove]

ah I fixed this by using a new weathermanager component and changing the attributes instead of the weather tool

[solar shard]

Nevermind. You are totals right. Just checked again and everything is reset.

I wonder if there is s better Eden world as the one from gamemaster mode without managers, gm placeable slots etc. Just an empty everon world to be used. @quasi jay @sullen talon is there some better sort of feedback tool we can suggest this or can you bring this to your office?

[mental cove]

There is a blank eden as far as I can tell, to use the stuff from GM_Eden but with editable attributes copy it from GM_Eden into a new world that is only a subscene of the regular just 'Eden' world

[sullen talon]

You should be passing in only the ent, not "IEntity ent", that's syntax error

[solar shard]

Hm. Then I missed something. Wouldn’t it be better to start with it regarding the base tutorial

[carmine swan]

okay this keeps driving me nuts, does anyone know the significance of prefabs marked with the _Editor suffix? Is it just a baseline prefab?

[quasi jay]

I am unsure what are you speaking about specifically. But if you want the cleanest map, using Eden terrain, I suggest searching for Eden.ent.

[solar shard]

You are totally right. Its all there. Forget everything since „hello“ 😂

[west karma]

Yeah @exotic reef said 🙂

I'm now at:

{
    // user script
    protected int m_iCount; // keep count of enemies
    protected FactionKey m_sFactionKey = "USSR"; // enemy faction
    
    bool IsEnemy(IEntity ent)
    {
        SCR_ChimeraCharacter ch = SCR_ChimeraCharacter.Cast(ent);
        if (!ch)
            return false; // checking character only
        
        Faction f = ch.GetFaction();
        if (!f)
            return false; // must have faction
        
        return f.GetFactionKey() == m_sFactionKey; // must be target faction
    }
    
    override void OnActivate(IEntity ent)
    {
        super.OnActivate(ent);
        if (!IsEnemy(ent))
            return;
        ++m_iCount;
    }
    
    override void OnDeactivate(IEntity ent)
    {
        super.OnDeactivate(ent);
        if (!IsEnemy(ent))
            return;
        
        --m_iCount;
        if (m_iCount <= 0)
            OnEmptied();
    }
    
    void OnEmptied()
    {
        SCR_BaseGameMode gameMode = SCR_BaseGameMode.Cast(GetGame().GetGameMode());
        Faction faction = GetGame().GetFactionManager().GetFactionByKey("US");
        int usIndex = GetGame().GetFactionManager().GetFactionIndex(faction);
        gameMode.EndGameMode(SCR_GameModeEndData.CreateSimple(SCR_GameModeEndData.ENDREASON_EDITOR_FACTION_VICTORY, -1, usIndex));
    }

};

Is there a way I can check what m_iCount is? I saw a print thing but not sure how to use it

[quasi jay]

Print(m_iCount);

[solar shard]

Print is an debug log console output. Perfect for that.

[sullen talon]

Your trigger needs to be set to All Changes and query periodically if you're not updating it manually.

[west karma]

Yep:
https://i.imgur.com/NxXmbww.png

[sullen talon]

Class Filter, should be ChimeraCharacter, prefab != class

[west karma]

Ah yes and we check the faction int he script now

I guess before it just wasn't filtering

[solar shard]

just checked again. Actually, I'm using the basic eden world. Not the GM world. Still there are some managers included, like the TimeAndWeatherManager.

Our issue now is, when we place our own TimeAndWeatherManager. It conflicts somehow and SOMETIMES it uses our settings, sometimes the default settings and yesterday I had BOTH in addition. But we cannot delete or disable the one from eden since its resetting on a regular basis.

[west karma]

That Print thing should be showing up in the Log COnsole?

[exotic reef]

it prints in the Output tab and also to the script.log file in your profile folder

or Log tab, i forget which one

[crisp rain]

@solar shard if you can't get rid of it can you just override the methods in the included timeandweathermanager?

[west karma]

Yeah it went to the Log console I'd just forgotten to save the script.

Still not deactivating when they die, mind

[solar shard]

As said. There is no consistent hirachy. Sometimes its overwritten. Sometimes not.

[crisp rain]

@exotic reef profile

[sullen talon]

In the scripted filter make sure that you check that they are alive 🙂 Capture & Hold utilizes this

[west karma]

Someone up above said the trigger was already doing this

[sullen talon]

I am not so sure about that, I don't think it does.

[slow thicket]

So as far as I can tell, the AI is definitely respawning but the catch is the whole group has to die and given that their pathfinding is kind of trash at the moment by default, there's normally one or two stragglers in the group that dont get killed and are stuck in a building or close to their spawn. If someone would like to explain to me a way to have the AI respawn when a certain number of the group is dead Im all ears. The way I know they respawn is by using the gamemaster when testing in the tools, which you cant do in game. They also sometimes end up ignoring the objective in order to fight enemies they see in field or are just chilling in some walled off courtyard. Im actually going to be making a new map to see if a smaller town helps fix this issue. But thank you for bringing this up

[waxen fossil]

ah ok, makes sense

[west karma]

OK, where is the scripted filter?

[slow thicket]

Yeah im testing an update now and they are all fighting in the outskirts instead of on the objective. Ill keep working on it though

[sullen talon]

The trigger has a filter method. See C&H for reference.

[solar shard]

Doesn’t simply help a defend wp for that?

[slow thicket]

Ive tried a few different types Im not sure if I tried defend but I can try again.

[solar shard]

I use defend in my map. They attack you from inside the defend wp when they see you but otherwise they ignore you as long as you are not In the wp circle

Tl:dr they dont “go onto an adventure” when they here gunfire

[slow thicket]

Cool I'll try it out thanks! If this fixes it I owe you big time

[solar shard]

That would be too easy 😉
But in NightOps it works great.

[mental cove]

Anybody know how to stop an AI character from moving, but still able to turn and shoot, like disableAI "PATH" from arma 3? Using the static Flag has no effect

[dawn obsidian]

Anyone know how to fix my map not having the normal background with routes and stuff?

[sullen talon]

⚠️ With @quasi jay's help we have pushed **tasks **example into the sample coop scenario.

Hopefully as time goes, we'll be able to re-integrate some things into base game, but for now this should give you some insight on how to approach it.

https://github.com/exocs/Reforger-Sample-Coop

Disclaimer:
#enfusion_scenario message

[slow thicket]

Thank you!

[west karma]

Ok, I couldn't work that out (not a clue what I'm looking at).

BUT, could I add an onDestroyed or onKilled EH to the onActivated that adds to m_iCount (unless that's local to the script?) so it triggers if either they die or they leave the zone?

[slow thicket]

Does the number of groups vs the number of AI within a group have a large impact on performance like it did in Arma 3?

[solar shard]

@sullen talonis there a reason the SpawnPoint_US_2 in your sampleCoop is in triggers?

I dont see any difference to US_1. Is it just moved to wrong layer by mistake or adressed somehow?

[neat thunder]

If we need to restart the server to switch missions(at least for Reforger), I reckon the only way for a community that plays multiple missions per session would be to create a Enfusion mission that will serve as the base, and then somehow load the missions as mods, and have a system for the admin to switch missions. But that would not allow for changing maps, I suppose. I don't see how we could play a COOP on Takistan, followed by a COOP on Altis, followed by a TvT(PvP) on Chernarus without forcing everyone to disconnect and connect between each mission.

[exotic reef]

@west karma i think i figured out what ex0 was talking about. getting triggers to filter on a custom condition is actually incredibly simple

all we have to do is override a single method from ScriptedGameTriggerEntity

    {
        return DefaultEntityFilterForQuery(ent);
    }```

basically every entity in the trigger gets run through the here which returns a simple true/false

you can override it with whatever custom condition you want

for example

        SCR_ChimeraCharacter cc = SCR_ChimeraCharacter.Cast(ent);
        if (!cc) return false;
        if (cc.GetFactionKey() != "USSR") return false;
        if (!IsAlive(cc)) return false;
        return true;
    }```

[narrow path]

Idk if you figured it out but there is a component called map entity in there it will have a place to link topo and background image. I'm not at PC but the background is everon raterized or something similar and the topo file I believe ends with .topo both can be found in arma reforged files

[west karma]

OK, so then using that we can get rid of the faction checker in the script as we've already filtered for faction?

[exotic reef]

yeah you can filter for whatever you want directly through that 1 method

[slow thicket]

@solar shard Your suggestion helped a lot. They aren't perfect, but the AI is a lot better about staying on the objective now. Thanks again!

[west karma]

I shall try this, thank you @exotic reef

[exotic reef]

my example now properly deactivates when an opfor character leaves the trigger OR dies

[west karma]

is IsAlive still a thing?

[exotic reef]

IsAlive() is defined in SCR_BaseTriggerEntity which my trigger is extending

[west karma]

So am I making a new prefab tigger based on SCR_BaseTriggerEntity?

[exotic reef]

yes that's what i used

[slow thicket]

If you edit a script that a prefab uses do you have to recreate the prefab?

[west karma]

Pretty much entirely thanks to @exotic reef and @sullen talon (and @odd perch for helping earlier) I now have working triggers that end the mission when all the enemy inside are dead - will be updating the guide now

[mental cove]

When I place down a character and enable the AI it shoots at me, however when I reload or publish the mission it seems they have their AI disabled very odd

[iron hollow]

bit different from sqf isalive

[mental cove]

deleting an re adding the perception manager seems to let groups shoot each other again after a reload, but the single characters are disabled, but if i copy one of these disabled chatacters and paste them they have their AI working

[unkempt parrot]

Does anyone know where workshop missions might go to? Would like to host one on a dedicated server. Or failing that, custom made missions on the local PC

[sullen talon]

Just an oversight

[slow thicket]

Just pushed an update that improved AI spawning and how well they play with the objective. If you decide to give the mod another shot let me know if you see an improvement or if there are any other issues.

[waxen fossil]

will do, thanks

[west karma]

https://github.com/Herbiie/ArmAReforgerMissionMakingGuide/wiki/ArmA-Reforger-Mission-Making---Getting-Started#ending-the-mission

Updated tutorial with triggers to end mission when area is clear 🙂

[solar shard]

thought it. I replicated your stuff into my mission but having mixed feelings. Sometimtes, even when I copy / paste it, the UAZ task appears (and all the others dont) and sometimes, without any change, its the other way. But even when I can fix this. How do you actual check if the UAZ is destroyed? I noticed that the task is completed (not the mission I guess?) but dont see an entry in the UAZ event handler

[west karma]

So I think things to add to the guide now are:

• Briefing
• The MP loading in stuff, like selecting faction etc.
• The MP manager stuff like radio manager & chat manager

Should be simple from now on

Can potentially look at limiting loadouts per group? I'm thinking a script that if you load in with a loadout of which there are too many it kills you or just loads you into a rifleman

[hazy wyvern]

How can you add a component to a Player Controller, so that when the player entity spawns, it has that component? Do you make the "Default Controlled Entity" a prefab with that component?

[mental cove]

so this is really wierd, I have AI groups that shoot at me, I reload the world they no longer shoot at me, I delete an re add the perception manager and now they shoot again. Only problem is when publishing they dont shoot either

[slow thicket]

What layer are you adding the perception manager to?

[mental cove]

the default layer in my new world

[slow thicket]

No idea then. It just sounds like when a read only prefab gets edited

[mental cove]

yeah its wierd because I dont touch anything on the perception manager

[lean scroll]

WASD keys not working for me to move camera in World editor.Whats wrong?.Any solution/option?

[hazy wyvern]

Hold right mouse button

[lean scroll]

Isn't hard when you want to move some objects? both right/left mouse button?

I saw some my friends just using WASD key to move!

[west karma]

I just use WASD, have you tried the scroll wheel to change the speed?

[lean scroll]

Yes.I used it to change camera speed but im stuck with Hold right mouse button!

[west karma]

Weird

[lean scroll]

Reinstalled workbench and still same problem

[dusty pike]

has the attachto command been replaced by parenting entities ?

[sullen talon]

Yeah, this is unfortunately an issue of layers/initialization order.
All tasks must be sorted AFTER the TaskManager. Otherwise they will not initialize properly.
@quasi jay can we add this to a list of issues on our side?

[quasi jay]

We should surely fix this. Tasks were never really used this way, so it's something new for us and we should adapt the system to it.

[solar shard]

Holy moly. That simple. Thank you. Explains everything why it was so crazy behavior

[undone stirrup]

hey, is there a way to add the game master mode to an custom terrain afterwards

[solar shard]

Sure, via correct gamemode

[solar shard]

@quasi jay can you point us where you synced the UAZ to the trigger? The eH component doesn’t seem to it. Or did you hardcode it?

[sullen talon]

That was me - in the level it's directly scripted on the "Coop logic" entity

[solar shard]

Ah. That logic entity seemed empty to me when I checked it. Thank you!

This will solve everything

[west karma]

Which bit makes you get the introduction set up screen where you select loadout, group etc.?

I'm guessing in the GameMode

[jaunty sigil]

Add the SCR_RespawnBriefingComponent to the gamemode object.

[west karma]

Thanks!

[cloud obsidian]

Any way to adjust the loadout to spawn without ammo in your gun?

[mental cove]

so I just figured out my issue with the ai when publishing, and I have been really dumb. Apparently the soviets dont have flashlights so they cant see anything in the dark. And early morning like 6am is apparently still too dark for them lmao.

[dreamy raft]

Too much vodka the night before.

[west karma]

Do I need to do anything more than drop it in? It put me in the ocean 😦 @solar shard

[mental cove]

they dont kill each other till the gamemaster light comes on lol https://gyazo.com/46102220f04295acfaea3efdd80dbc79

[west karma]

I guess I need RespawnMenuHandler and TimerComponent too

[solid nebula]

ive done this and had zero luck getting the briefing menu up

[west karma]

I have the same but not "SCR_RespawnHandlerComponent" and it's working, I think

[solid nebula]

yep

seemse to be it

ty

[distant moon]

Guys i want to say you thank you for help all mission maker of arma to understand Who effusion is working . Please d ont stop your effort for the communauty

My english is bad but you know what i want to tell you enfusion is hard . And with your tuto and your explication the hard come to easy .

[solar shard]

This.

[west karma]

https://github.com/Herbiie/ArmAReforgerMissionMakingGuide/wiki/ArmA-Reforger-Mission-Making---Getting-Started

Think map markers, tasks and briefings are the only bit left for this - though briefings look to be different than ArmA 3 (where's mah 5 paragraph format)

I might break it out into different pages

[proud sorrel]

Anyone want to hop in sub_gamma VC with me and tell me how to get these dang scripts to attach to stuff?

@west karma @sullen talon @solar shard ?

[full bolt]

Interesting issue, whenever I place AI down in game master, they immediately dissappear

Is there a module I'm missing?

[west karma]

Sorry man taking a bit of a break

[proud sorrel]

NP

[native phoenix]

is mission making/scripting in the workbench similar to sqf where you could make entire missions using just scripts and not messing with the editor itself?

[proud sorrel]

Apparently those guys just really want to talk tactical vehicle physics in that channel @willow inlet LOL

[west karma]

It's a bit more of a process

[sullen talon]

Nah, I'm sorry, working on a small mod right now 😄

[slow thicket]

Just uploaded an update to KOTH AI with a new scenario and some improvements. I've gotten a lot of feedback since yesterday which has helped a lot so if anyone tries it let me know whatever is broken.

[proud sorrel]

I'm SO close to figuring out how to get good GameOver triggers

[west karma]

What're you trying to do? I've added area clear triggers to my guide

[final anvil]

is there a way to put my mission file on my server without having to upload to workshop?

[proud sorrel]

Trying to utilize the onActivation and onDeavtivation scripts to end a game when a unit enters

[proud sorrel]

I'm beginning to suspect that onActivation and onDeactivation are not executed when the conduction for the Trigger is achieved @west karma @sullen talon

[worthy glade]

fodder are you making more guides too? ❤️

[dense wagon]

Any ideas why I can't get a simple scenario mod to work. I'm creating the world and the mission header, but I never see the scenario in the game.

[west karma]

OnActivation is. It should be fairly simple to do, is it a specific unit you want?

[sullen talon]

Hey there guys! I have made yet another game mode mod which you can get inspiration from, this one is uploaded on to Workshop as well!
GitHub link here https://github.com/exocs/Reforger-Deathmatch-Chicken.

It touches bits of replication as well, but is a free for all preset. Have fun!

[west karma]

Chicken?

[sullen talon]

It is pretty much DM Vodka except you start clucking 👀

[west karma]

😄

[proud sorrel]

I'm trying to figure out this GameOver via trigger so I can make THE guide

[proud sorrel]

AFAIK, this should end the game when the ChimeraCharacter steps into the trigger and procs OnActivation

[wheat valve]

how do you make an prefab invisible as in making a prop invisible?

[proud sorrel]

But instead, the game ends immedietely

[west karma]

You just need ChimeraCharacter in there

Not the whole path

[proud sorrel]

WELL

ISN'T THAT SOMETHING

[west karma]

Ye because it's not filtering any entity is activating it

Including buildings, roads etc.

[sullen talon]

Again.. Class filter

[west karma]

If he got that from my guide (although I put in caps that it didn't work tbf) I am most sorry

[sullen talon]

Class filter is just the name of the class it filters against, no paths, not prefabs, no nothing.
Simply ChimeraCharacter or Vehicle or GenericEntity (and similar) is what you are looking at

[proud sorrel]

Heck yes

So, now I just need to come up with some AND and OR triggers to make this multi-objective operation able to work!

[west karma]

Presumably you can make global variables

[proud sorrel]

I was actualy wondering about that. I'm not sure what the global variable space is like here

Everything I've seen thus far stores variables on the actual object

[sullen talon]

Avoid globals, that breaks OOP!

Live with the assumption that for every global usage a puppy passes out. 😦

[proud sorrel]

My thought for an 'AND' trigger is to just check on an interval if the other triggers have been activated and, if all of them have, then proc it's OnActivation

But I can't tell if Triggers currently even keep track if they have been triggered

[amber solstice]

you couldn’t have said it better

globals bad

unless when there is no choice

[barren heart]

oh the name and class filter is an either or situation, that had me very confused for a minute there ha

[proud sorrel]

How do I reference another entity in a world within the "User Script" section of a prefab?

I'm trying to reference another object so I can use the getter function onit

[barren lava]

Is there a way to look at the map like you could in the 3den editor?

[radiant summit]

Will test it out tonight!

[proud sorrel]

Yeah, I'm absolutely struggling to find a way to reference another world object inside my triggers here

[barren heart]

So the coop example uses a task with a trigger as a child, in order to get a reference through GetChildren(). Might be able to copy some of that?

[proud sorrel]

Hmm, good idea

I'm coming to realize that creating new types of triggers is more than just taking basic ones and adding some components and code to it

[proud sorrel]

Which object uses the GetChildren() in the coop example?

[barren heart]

Yeah more coding is needed, but at the same time that leads to new components that can be shared so maybe we'll get there 🙂

SCR_TriggerTask1 has it

Sorry MoveTask_1 is its OG name

[proud sorrel]

I'll see how it's implemented there. Thanks @barren heart

[barren heart]

Aye good luck, I'm gonna get some sleep

[proud sorrel]

Yeah, some of the OOP C#ish stuff is really throwing me for a loop, especially object types and and casting

[proud sorrel]

Like, how do I execute the GetHasActivated() function for a different trigger here. Is it not accessable outside the scope of the obj?

I get this error

[full bolt]

Hey mission making people, I've got a strange issue.

My AI just..aren't hostile

at all

[crisp rain]

do you have a perception manager prefab in the scene?

[full bolt]

Oof, I know I put it in previously, I must've deleted it while troubleshoot some navmesh issues

Thank you

[exotic reef]

if you're trying to access an external entity, you have to find it through```
GetGame().GetWorld().FindEntityByName("blabla");

[proud sorrel]

That makes sense. But I'm still not able to access the functions I added with the scripts field in the Workbenxh as per the re plied message

[solar shard]

An big improvement would be to concentrate on the class filtering to get the ability to filter only for players etc

[solar shard]

I just implemented a simple task franework in it, based on ex0 sample. Will take a loot today to make a multi trigger end and thats it.

[exotic reef]

it works for me. there must be a problem somewhere else

[solar shard]

Did someone find out how to make a simple SetPos of an existing entity?

[fair kite]

how do you set up sequential waypoints? i can do one but the group doesnt continue to the next one

[hexed bane]

day 3 waiting for you guys to figure more stuff out cause I am LOST

https://tenor.com/view/lost-beach-thumbs-up-gif-8477433

[solar shard]

You can add the group as many as you want. Just click the little + and add the names of the preplaced (static) waypoints

[naive lion]

my OPFOR sample faction wont attack anyone, where can I go to modify the factions that it considers enemies?

[odd perch]

@naive lion are these custom groups? If so you need to set their faction to USSR manually

[naive lion]

yes custom groups, i get that i need to set that but i dont know where to do it

[odd perch]

I don't have access to the editor but it is one of the components of the AI group entity

actually its under group under the main section of SCR_AIgroup

called Faction

The groups appear to be case sensitive as well the need to match the factions in the faction manager

[lean scroll]

Hi folks. What's the best language to learn to develop the skills best suited to scripting/mission making. Is C# the place to start?

[crisp rain]

Yes

You can also just look on the bohemia wiki as it goes over the syntax and other general info

[lean scroll]

I have a batchelors degree in Computing Science but was hopeless at Java even back then... I have a decent grasp of reading and understanding basic to intermediate level code, but fall over when it comes to writing code with the correct syntax, order etc.

So figured the textbooks are the best way to restart

[crisp rain]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Category:Arma_Reforger/Modding/Tutorials/Scripting

[lean scroll]

Thanks

[crisp rain]

Lot of useful info in here. Enforce script is pretty similar to java/c#. Just be patient with yourself and keep working at it, it'll slowly click over time

[solar shard]

Be patient. Best advise ever. Trying to modify the dynamicSpawn script create instead an entity like a spawn point or vehicle but no luck yet.

[crisp rain]

Well just keep chipping away. Honestly its a little fun experimenting and trying to figure stuff out. The satisfaction when you finally get it to work feels great. Im working on a few simple tutorials but hope to get into making scripting ones soon to help bridge the gap as we all learn.

[solar shard]

Which is awesome. We are all used to create the most complex arma 3 missions just by sqf with little to no 3d eden editor usage and its a hard time now to struggle with the simplest things like a setPos or createVehicle function.

Edit: but im making progress on my end. Once im successful implementing it my NightOps mission i will write w step by step tutorial.

[crisp rain]

Totally understand. Going from an editor to a pretty fleshed out and new game engine is a big step. With time things will settle and best practices will emerge. Just needs time to mature and with all of us collectively hammering away and the bohemia staff being so active there sure are exciting times ahead

[solar shard]

Actually no. I dont miss eden editor and im totally fine with the workbench. I love it as a pure developer environment. Its my lack of c# skills which is getting me the hard time to avhieve the arma 3 results.

I coded a little bit c++ with c&c remastered modding but besids that im just a typescript / javascript guy. LUA or SQF is fine. This here is a totally different thing. But its getting better. Step by step.

[indigo sky]

hey ho lads!
Is there a way to force the AI to net get in the autonomous mode when engaging? I want the MG Soldiers to say in the bunkers basically xD

[west karma]

@exotic reef worked that out didn't he?

[solar shard]

Simplest i guess but not exactky like disableAI PATH is go give them a very small DEFEND Wp

[solar shard]

That would be great

[indigo sky]

and then the AI wont wander off if they see an enemy 200 - 300meters away? :D

I will try that one out, thx

[solar shard]

They engage enemies when they see them and but dont “go on adventures” from mt experience

[indigo sky]

thx!
I had that in the normal gamemaster mode and it was driving me crazy ^^

[magic oasis]

Hi guys. Where can i find the cooldown for respawn timer? Thanks

[sullen aspen]

Is there a way to set trigger heights? Like with waypoints ?

Or rather for

is there a size component i can add?

[solar shard]

Yeah. Where you define if its a sphere, you can alter that. Look in my example mission. I have triggers in there like a big invisible wall for instance

[sullen aspen]

What about waypoints?

How do i change the height of completion radius of waypoints?

[solar shard]

@sullen talon & @quasi jay Just a headsup. I believe there is a bug in your task framework. The eliminate UAZ task. The entity is named "EliminateTaskA" and thats how you refere to it in the script of the coopLogic. But in the taskManager you just call it "EliminateTask". The way I see it, its just a typo. Since the logic referes to the correct Entity, the task fires successful ending the game. But he cant show up on the map since the manager cant adress it.

Never the less, where do you adress in the script, that its the "Target_UAZ" to be hooked to the task. Cant find any reference to that vehicle in task or logic. I see there is a "target_UAZ_class" but cant find it anywhere.
Edit: it works now by just dragging the task below any vehicle. Didnt know it just checks for the next vehicle nearby since I was confused that you called the class specific "UAZ..." and not universal "vehicle..." or whatever. But it works!

Would be great to get a answer at monday! Enjoy your weekend.

[lofty marlin]

@solar shard as far as I understood the elimnate task just attaches itselft to the nearest entity with an eventhandlerManager. So no need to reference, just put it near the entity that is the target.

[solar shard]

that is awesome. I was just confused since there is an target_uaz_class and not an "target_vehicle_class" or whatever. I will give it a try

it doesnt sound universal and more specific to the UAZ. Let me check

[lofty marlin]

it is bugging a bit in the editor though, when moving the Elimnate Entity u might need to restart the world editor

or place a new one with same name

and there is a line that was commented out, where you could spawn that task without placing it in editor, maybe that confused a bit

[solar shard]

Has someone figured out how to send an AI into a gun of a bunker. The getInNearist, which works good with the BTR, doesnt seem to work

[iron hollow]

why does the weather manager keep resetting after previewing?

[solar shard]

Use the search here. Was discussed yesterday a lot

[lofty marlin]

How did you get the getInNearist to work? They didnt do it for me, tried for hours @solar shard

[solar shard]

With a normal BTR it worked. I only allowed Gunner via wp setting

[lofty marlin]

ah that might be it

[solar shard]

that worked. Even without restarting. Just tragged the task below the new vehicle and it worked

[magic oasis]

Is that the same to make an AI man aMG nest?

[solar shard]

thats what Im exactly wondering. That didnt work for me

[magic oasis]

Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out how to get an AI to man an MG. No clue 😦

[solar shard]

me too. I saw at the very first day someone made it here. But cant replicate it

[lofty marlin]

nice to see i understood that correctly

[iron hollow]

so it's in the default terrain 🤔 but i can't remove it from that? how would publishing work

[lofty marlin]

wasnt here yesterday but you might be able to override it?

[solar shard]

I removed it. Didnt work. I disabled it. Didnt work. But somehow... now it works. By disabling (not removing) it and locking the default layer. Now its overriding, which didnt work very well the days before. Maybe patched. Maybe glitchy.

[iron hollow]

alright

[lofty marlin]

y I think locking the layer is the key

[keen phoenix]

hey guys I'm having the most frustrating problem with the time/weather resetting, I know a lot of people had the same problem but I haven't seen any answers that work. Was wondering if anybody knows how to fix this?

[solar shard]

ok thats driving me crazy. It workd flawless. No i restarted the editor and it doesnt work but give me an engine error when starting

so the other way around. will try to create the task entity new from scratch

[lofty marlin]

u need to set the radius to more than 0 i think

[solar shard]

Thr task range?

[lofty marlin]

in the EleminateTask entity is an attribute Range or Radius

thats the range the task will search for

an suitable entity

[solar shard]

yeah i see. actually 0 is okayish. something weired is going on. When I cut the eliminateTask entities and paste them on same position it works till next editor restart. Then it would cause an engine error. @quasi jay is this a known bug?

[keen phoenix]

I couldn't find the answer, I understand something to do with overwriting but when I only have one time and weather prefab I can't understand what might be overwriting it

[solar shard]

the one in the base eden.ent which is resetting itself on startup? thats what we believe

[keen phoenix]

I've deleted that one and created a new one.. should be gone

[solar shard]

Till editor restart if we are talking about the base Eden layer

[lofty marlin]

but you do use the CallQueue like vojtiman did, so that the game has time to init the entities it should attach to ?

[solar shard]

Yes

[lofty marlin]

mh weird

[keen phoenix]

ah my problem does occur when restarting, maybe it adopts my timeandweather prefab into the base eden layer. my next question is how do we update it and save it permanently

[quasi jay]

Oh, I have no idea what that error is. Can you please send me a call stack or something? 🤔
PS: I won't be here most of the time today, so sorry for very little answers.

[solar shard]

No I wont. I wanted to tag you for monday. Now its weekend and you should really not be here 😄

seriously, here it is but it doesnt need a fix now. cut / paste same position solves it for a while.

So, when placing your eliminateTask entity it works. When restarting editor, it wont work and create this in console on launch (I renamed the entities but that doesnt matter)

Create entity @"ENTITY:2305843009213694404" ('obj_primaryTsk_2', SCR_EliminateTask) at <10907.439453 24.538000 11737.405273>
GUI (E): ImageWidget::LoadImageFromSet can't load ImageSet 'UI/Imagesets/Tasks/Task_Icons.imageset'
Create entity @"ENTITY:2305843009213694405" ('obj_primaryTsk_1', SCR_EliminateTask) at <10905.357422 25.676001 11724.741211>
GUI (E): ImageWidget::LoadImageFromSet can't load ImageSet 'UI/Imagesets/Tasks/Task_Icons.imageset'

When cutting / replacing them, it works again...

[iron hollow]

i didn't touch the eden weather manager and it seems to work now, i put down a weathermanager, deleted it and put a new one in

[quasi jay]

That’s a weird error. Can you please try creating them from prefab, instead of copying the existing ones?

[keen phoenix]

ah so keeping the default but adding another time and weather manager?

[iron hollow]

well, 2

[keen phoenix]

legend, that's fixed it

[solar shard]

I already did

[quasi jay]

Does that fix it?

[solar shard]

oh sorry, no I thought I mentioned it. It doesnt matter sadly.

But maybe you can give me to another topic regarding your task a short answer. Does the eliminateTask check for a nearby single entity (like the UAZ) or, in case of infantry characters, for the whole group? (so does have to be the whole group wiped out)

(or does the task entitiy has to be close to the "group_base.ent" as I believe

[west karma]

I've not looked into spawn points yet, but how easy is it to turn them on or off by script?

Thinking of spectator pen style of thing

[solar shard]

Im just rerwiting ex0 aiSpawn script in some type of spawnEntity script to create a new US_spawn via trigger. That’s a similar thing you are looking for?!

Was trying to finish it while my kid was asleep but that task bug killed my time. Will try to finish the script tomorrow

[west karma]

Hm maybe. Basically like a single life COOP mission, everyone spawns in one place but doesn't respawn (there's probably an easier way of doing this idk)

[solar shard]

Couldn’t you just create playerCharacters without respawn for that?

[west karma]

I'm just reformatting the guide today, maybe looking at tasks & typing up the briefing

[west karma]

Idk can I

[solar shard]

I implemented their basic task system with some primary and bonus tasks in the latest NightOps mission. All I’m looking for now is this create spawn script and a way to filter trigger by players.

[west karma]

@exotic reef did this scripted filter (added the user script):

        SCR_ChimeraCharacter cc = SCR_ChimeraCharacter.Cast(ent);
        if (!cc) return false; // If the entity is not a person, filter it out
        if (cc.GetFactionKey() != "US") return false; // If the entity does not have the Faction key of USSR, filter it out
        if (!IsAlive(cc)) return false; // If the entity is dead, filter it out
        return true; // Otherwise, include it!
    }```

I'd guess there's some kind of isPlayer variable?

[quasi jay]

Only a single entity. You can override the logic though.

[solar shard]

The if (!cc) part? Awesome. Thx

[west karma]

No sorry, the (!cc) just filters out things that aren't characters, but you should be able to do something like
if(!IsPlayer(cc)) return false;

I think there is an IsPlayer check, I can double check in a bit

[solar shard]

Ah. CC is just chimeraCharacter akA a character. Check. Didn’t really had the time to look into it.

[west karma]

yeah line 2 sets that variable

[solar shard]

I see now

I guess I will solve this by my own. But don’t have time for the create us_spawn script now

[keen phoenix]

Good guide mate, appreciate that

[pliant rock]

so any good solution to the image problem? Read the pinned message and added the image directly to the mod itself, but still the workbench can't copy it

[solar shard]

Did you use correct size?

[west karma]

My god editing the GitHub wiki was harder than the mission making

[lofty marlin]

Cant you just use markdown there?

I liked md

[west karma]

The markdown is refusing the accept that some of the code is code and is being silly. Idk if GitHub is trying to be clever and thinking I'm making a mistake when I'm not...

Also the page order is a pain

[austere cobalt]

How do I tell the game to start in faction/Role selection instad of spawning me as a camera in water?

I have a custom BaseGamemode (Prefab) which has AutomaticRespawn component replaced with:

• RespawnBreefingComponent
• RespawnMenuHandlerComponent
• RespawnTimerComponent

Furthermore i have added to my World:

• spawnpoint for US
• Factionmanager with USSR isPlayable deselected
• LoadoutManager

[solar shard]

To be fair, that not what GitHub is for. Why not contributing your content to the wiki?

[west karma]

Because I didn't know how to do that

😄

[worthy glade]

say im copying the GameMode_Plain.et, but i want to make a new game mode and learn what's even in this one, how do i do the thing

[west karma]

https://github.com/Herbiie/ArmAReforgerMissionMakingGuide/wiki/3)--ArmA-Reforger-Mission-Making-%7C-Finishing-The-Mission#editing-the-game-mode

[lofty marlin]

do you want the whole briefing and chose faction shebang or plain spawn`?

[worthy glade]

oh you got that far too eh erb

[west karma]

https://github.com/Herbiie/ArmAReforgerMissionMakingGuide/wiki/1)--ArmA-Reforger-Mission-Making-%7C-Getting-Started

Is the new link for the guide

[lofty marlin]

@austere cobalt https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Scripting_Modding bottom of the page is a minimal setup

[austere cobalt]

Yea basically the same thing that you have in the conflict mode.
You select a faction then a loadout then your spawnpoint then you spawn.
But when I press play in the editor it spawns me to the default location in the water directly instead.

[west karma]

I need a Wiki Account to contribute, not sure who would sort that

[austere cobalt]

Yea I have all that

[lofty marlin]

ye you need some more to get that working, look at ex0s sample

https://github.com/exocs/Reforger-Sample-Coop

[worthy glade]

Herbiie def needs to be adding his work to the official wiki it's insane not to

whoever sets people up with wiki access needs to find him

or her

i dont know hehe

[west karma]

It

[worthy glade]

huehuehuehue

[west karma]

He shouldn't if he's edittig the BaseGameMode

[lofty marlin]

I used plain so I needed to ^^

[west karma]

That's what I do in the tutorial and it worked fine for me

[west karma]

Can you send a screenshot of all the components?

[austere cobalt]

Ahh thats you I just followed each of the steps in your tutorial until end of "Editting the Game Mode" yea sure making screenshot.

[lofty marlin]

I needed to configure some components so the ui would be loaded correctly. also autorespawn prohibited me to spawn at all.

[west karma]

It shouldn't splash you in the ocean though

[austere cobalt]

https://imgur.com/a/ioy0Pwj (click on link for higher res)

[west karma]

And you've definitely got the US ticked as playable in the Faction Manager?

[lofty marlin]

should also untick USSR as playable since there is no spawn

[austere cobalt]

yes also tried ticking both and only US

[west karma]

Yes should have a tick in isPlayable for the US and not a tick in isPlayable for the USSR

[austere cobalt]

yup

[west karma]

Hm

Is your spawn point snapped to ground or has it sunk under the floor?

[lofty marlin]

what does you spawn point look like?

[austere cobalt]

You will not believe it. I removed the factionmanager and set it new unchecked ussr and it works now

[west karma]

😛

[lofty marlin]

nice

[solar shard]

Did assign the faction keys correctly in the game mode and faction manager ?

[west karma]

When in doubt redo it

[solar shard]

I guess your faction manager, which you now removed, wasn’t properly configured

[west karma]

Probably clicked something by accident

@solar shard In your Night Ops mission is that unlimited stuff crate on the boat copied from something or did you make it?

[austere cobalt]

Not impossible, but I kinda tend to believe there are a few bugs. I already solved too many problems by removing and resetting components. Maybe I'm getting insane...

[solar shard]

That’s the original prefab. But it’s just a test since it doesn’t allow the user to save a.m virtual arsenal as intended. Even that I added the correct loadout additional to the loadout manager.

[lofty marlin]

Thats a common symptom when playing around with BI products 😄

[austere path]

is the enfusion workbench meant to be replacing the eden editor to create missions?

[lofty marlin]

i think so, the all praised allinone solution

[austere path]

there won't be like an "easier" environment?

[austere cobalt]

For arma reforger I think yes. But I can imagine they bring eden back as a solution for not so techy people and also for quick missions.
Maybe community will develop plugins for the Workbench to make it easier to use for simple mission making.
edit: for Arma4

[tall hound]

this. beat me to it

[austere path]

i hope so

[west karma]

Provide the feedback and hopefully they will!

Once you've got the initial side set up it's not particularly worse than scripting for ArmA3 though

[austere path]

is there like a guide for a basic mission?

[worthy glade]

herbiie made one martino

he is your saviour

[zinc wharf]

how do you create the 'Unity Empty GameObject' equivalent in the World Editor?

[austere path]

who is this saviour?

[zinc wharf]

or is everything a prefab at its heart?

[worthy glade]

hit em with the link @west karma

https://github.com/Herbiie/ArmAReforgerMissionMakingGuide/wiki/1)--ArmA-Reforger-Mission-Making-%7C-Getting-Started @austere path

[austere path]

thanks

[zinc wharf]

Let say, I wanted to add an empty object to a layer purely for a position reference later?

[west karma]

Updating it with adding the Respawn Menu Briefing

[worthy glade]

im so happy for this guuide herbiie i could cry

[limpid mulch]

Hi, in the world editor there isn't any way to open the map (in order to move through the world)

[austere cobalt]

#enfusion_scenario message

[zinc wharf]

ty

[austere cobalt]

checkout the pinned posts in this channel alot good stuff I really don't like that they use discord for this instead of a forum and wiki

[zinc wharf]

ok so its not like unity where you can just have an empty object with just a transformation

or is there just a SRC_Entity or something?

I see it now, GenericEntity

[sturdy sonnet]

I don't understand the workflow of Reforger. Let's say i create a mission and i want to test it in MP with a friend.
Every time i edit something in the workbench, I will have to publish it in public with a new version ?

[zinc wharf]

I believe you can host a server potentially through the editor

there is mention of dedicated server or something in there

When you 'Play Game' you can choose localhost

so as long as your router is setup correctly, your friend should be able to direct connect to your ip?

this is all speculation

Something I noticed which troubles me, if you change the name of your root prefab in the resource manager, it breaks the inheritance of any instances using that prefab...

unlike, Unity for example, where the inheritance is maintained.

[solar shard]

No you have to implement it in a dedicated server. No way for local host.

(If you want to test it in an MP environment)

[west karma]

I wonder if they could join a LAN? Maybe through Hamachi

[west karma]

https://github.com/Herbiie/ArmAReforgerMissionMakingGuide/wiki/3)--ArmA-Reforger-Mission-Making-%7C-Finishing-The-Mission#setting-up-mission-introduction

New section added 🙂 Think I'm going to take a break now though (will be at work most of the week too)

[barren heart]

You've certainly earned it, very helpful resource!

[hot sandal]

Anyone figured out the time and weather manager yet? I find it quite confusing to configure. Trying to set it to late afternoon and rain but it turns pitch black at 1500 already and I can't seem to alter the weather parameters.

I also wonder how it interacts with the weather editor function at the top bar.

...and I've turned my mission pitch black without being able to change it. Thank the Gods for the Undo function.

[barren heart]

I made a duplicate of the WeatherStates.conf and plugged it in to change the default to rainy, not played with it too much yet. I did find when it was darkish the AI stopped being able to see each other when stood a meter apart though 😐

[worthy glade]

is that how you control weather?

[thin ermine]

it's affected by latitude and longitude and time of year, just like arma 3 was

[hot sandal]

Thought so that you'd have to create your own params file.

[solar shard]

Guess that has something to do with altitude and longitude settings to define where on earth you are. Just a thought.

[barren heart]

@worthy glade seemed to be, there is a start state in there and you can set and of course you can add or remove states etc

[hot sandal]

So, with the default lat / long sundown is around 1400. 😄

[barren heart]

The fog graph editor confused me and I noped out of there for now though 😄

[worthy glade]

does this magically cycle through all entities or something SCR_ChimeraCharacter cc = SCR_ChimeraCharacter.Cast(ent);

[thin ermine]

depending on time of year, yes

[worthy glade]

oh, it's from an override

[hot sandal]

In July...

[west karma]

I think in a trigger's script ent is the entity that triggered the trigger

[thin ermine]

I mean, hey, in australia, days are short in july

unless you haven't set up the lat and long and such yet

[hot sandal]

Default in the manager are -4 71. That puts me close to the equator in the Indian ocean.

[rotund narwhal]

everytime i press play (not from camera) i spawn in the floor. anyone know why this could be?

[thin ermine]

in the editor, you have to do a lot of extra work

[hot sandal]

Yeah, sure. Hope that will be adressed on the way to Arma 4.

At this early stage I just can't be sure if it's a bug or if I'm just using it wrong.

[solar shard]

You do it right. That’s just the default value of the prefab

[hot sandal]

Yeah, but that doesn't make sense. Sun should be up around 1400 in July in that geographic location.

I've just noticed there is another weather manager instance in the Eden world I have a sub-world of. Might be clashing.

So, when I copy / disable the one from the base world and then change the time on it, it seems the sun's position is correct now.

And now the values also correctly update in the Weather Editor panel.

Preliminary learning: don't have multiple time and weather managers in World Editor.

[zinc wharf]

anyone had the issue when the editor crashes whenever you try and drag any prefab out?

[solar shard]

Yeah BUT, as we all had to learn, the one in Eden.etn resets after restart. Only solution is to disable (but not delete) it and lock its default layer.

[hot sandal]

It's what I did.

[worthy glade]

how do i look at the OG SCR_BaseTriggerEntity

[solar shard]

You will eventually find out that it will still reset / overwrite from time to time. That’s what I experienced.

[magic oasis]

Guys, any info out there on creating a simple task?

[solar shard]

It’s in the sampleCoop which ex0 of Bohemia pinned

You can also just use my NightOps mission and copy the stuff. It’s all there

[worthy glade]

anyone know how to change the 'exit test hotkey' in the editor to something other than escape

i would guess those 'tasks' in prefabs are probably tasks

[solar shard]

Yeah In workbench settings. It’s in the world editor tab ich I remember correctly.

[solar shard]

You need the task entity and the task manager and make sure to load them in the same order

[worthy glade]

thank you, my next mission is changing the time of day, lmao

[solar shard]

To change the esc is pretty useful (I use shift esc) since you can use game master for debugging then

[worthy glade]

you can?

[solar shard]

Yes. It’s in the esc menu. Even if it’s not editor gamemode

[worthy glade]

that's really cool, what do you do with it

[solar shard]

That way you can drag your character around to Test area triggers or the Zeus lightning to test onDestroy event handler etc

[worthy glade]

oh that is baller

[solar shard]

So no really debugging then testing I mean

[worthy glade]

wow this is really useful

i can watch enemy unit behavior without having to be there to see if they did what i wanted

i am stuck like 30ft from the ground, can i go higher in this game master thing

yes i can, pgup and pgdn

zeal you're a gem

[exotic reef]

strange, rain works in the editor but when in-game scenario it's mute

[solar shard]

The rain entity works for me

[pliant rock]

I did the most dumb thing ever, but thanks to the other Mission guide that was dropped here it now works 😄

[solar shard]

Most time I should say. Since the weather manager is so inconsistent I’m not sure if there are sometimes conflicts to rain prefab

[pliant rock]

So just now created the Conflict Mode combined with GameMaster

[exotic reef]

the rain shows up but it doesn't make any noise. but only when actually exporting the scenario. when previewing in editor it works fine. oh well

[pliant rock]

at least in a usable state, not sure if everyone starts as GameMaster, as it has still the voting behaviour in it, but can't test in on a server so far

[radiant summit]

@solar shard I have some thoughts if you are ever looking to expand the nightops mission

[solar shard]

I’m right now implementing two more triggers which will unlock more spawn points on its way and im still trying to figure out how to send the sentries in to the mg nest in the final town but this is just a little showcase of basic coop stuff.

Not meant to be as complex as my Arma 3 NightOps persistence coop maps.

But im very happy about feedback. So feel free!!

[solar shard]

Fair enough. Maybe just glitchy or not fully implemented?!

[fringe bough]

could somebody help me? How to make one life, without respawn?

[exotic reef]

are you trying to make a single-player mission?

[fringe bough]

@exotic reef No, i want MP

with one life for players

[radiant summit]

What do you think about something like having to acquire an enemy radio as the first objective, then this would show the location of the truck? I was thinking maybe an objective timer to add a bit of pressure. Possibly slow down the passage of time just a bit. It’s kind of jarring as is

[hot sandal]

I would not expect anything else from a Bohemia game. Things randomly doing random stuff at random times for random reasons is at the core of this series. :D

[worthy glade]

how do i convince the AI to go into the upper floor and wait on the balcony to shoot baddies

i dont want to plop him there, i want hiim to move there from somewhere else

[sullen talon]

Trigger has the box mins box maxs, where you can change the shape of the trigger - is this what you mean?

[sullen talon]

I'll investigate, I think this is my bad

[exotic reef]

would've been easier if you said yes. otherwise the lazy solution could be to increase the respawn time to an infinite number

i don't think the game has a spectator mode so there's really nothing they can do anyways

[fringe bough]

@exotic reef I need only one life. The respawn time - great idea. Thanks!

[magic oasis]

forgive me for being bad. I just ca't see how the destructionof the UAZ is linked to the task. 😦

[exotic reef]

in your game mode entity, there should be components SCR_RespawnSystemComponent and SCR_RespawnTimerComponent. those are the ones which control respawning

[worthy glade]

i just realized that i can destroy a table and it spawns debris infinitely while not destroying the table - there must be a manager i havent plopped in for that

it's also very easy for AI to get stuck on objects and fail to complete their waypoints

havent figured out how to get them to open a door and go inside yet

[exotic reef]

you have to add a navmesh file

[worthy glade]

already done

[exotic reef]

works for me, they open doors and can navigate around obstacles. if too many try to squeeze through a small doorway they can get stuck though

[worthy glade]

okay yes, but you are doing something to get them to do that, they arent reading your mind

[exotic reef]

not sure what you mean, they're fairly autonomous

[night jewel]

Hello compans! I followed this tutorial (https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/ut8izn/arma_reforger_mission_making_getting_started/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) and made my own "Scenario".

However, I don't understand how to get it to work on my Deticated server.
My server is running Steamcmd

Can someone help me? xD

[worthy glade]

are you using a waypoint? which one?

[exotic reef]

basic move waypoint

if you give them a search and destroy they will actively explore the environment, looking inside houses, etc.

[sullen talon]

I was just checking, it's properly referenced as 'EliminateTaskA' everywhere - we wrote the task so it just queries first nearby entity on init; seems to work well on my side, even TaskManager has it as 'EliminateTaskA', perhaps outdated version?

[solar shard]

Possible. I could fix it on my end too. But don’t you have a weekend? ^^

[worthy glade]

when i give them a waypoint in the beachhouse they just ignore it, argh

[sullen talon]

isPlayer would go something like this

bool IsPlayer(IEntity entity)
{
  int playerId = GetGame().GetPlayerManager().GetPlayerIdFromControlledEntity(yourEntityHere);
  return playerId > 0;
}

[solar shard]

It’s not connected at all. I had the same mistake. Actual in the script it just looks for the nearest entity. So just place it next / in the vehicle at it works.

[exotic reef]

@sullen talon what's the best way to force rainy weather?

[sullen talon]

Yes, I do, but that doesn't prevent me from modding

[solar shard]

Thanks. I figured this out too already. But I appreciate your support.

[iron hollow]

How to actually get group members? It's always empty

    override void EOnInit(IEntity owner)
    {
         m_Owner = SCR_AIGroup.Cast(owner);
        if (!m_Owner)
            return;    
                
        array<AIAgent> agents = new array<AIAgent>;
        m_Owner.GetAgents(agents);
        
        PrintFormat("=== agents %1", agents.Count());
    }

[sullen talon]

Check C&H component that forces weather and time on different maps

[west karma]

Thanks!

[sullen talon]

EOnInit may be too soon to check, they might spawn later

[iron hollow]

Got the same result in post init

do I need a CallLater even

[solar shard]

That’s stuff I do all the time in my Arma 3 NightOps missions. But here I decided to let the players optional capture the empty BTR and in the next version it will also unlock a spawn point at the lighthouse then.

[iron hollow]

actually for this thing it's better to use events

[solar shard]

@radiant summit I don’t plan to implement much more stuff and will next start a true bigger coop experience on everon. This was just a testbed to provide an early coop experience. Like a proof of concept.

And to be honest, it still needs a lot of MP testing

[storm ice]

guys can you help me? i published the mod with the editor and the server got the mod, but my client cant download it.. I'm stuck in the "downloading"

[mental cove]

so im looking at the Eliminate tasks from the sample coop, and I'm not entirely sure where they set the target entity, is it a component attribute somewhere?

[thin ermine]

@sullen talon sorry for the ping but any guides on how to use SVN with reforger tools?

[solar shard]

I’m just re-writing your spawn AI script to spawn a vehicle or spawn entity instead. Are you by any chance modding this evening too? There might be come up some issues once kids are in bed and I have modding time 😉

[solar shard]

It’s in the actual script. Look in the script files. It just searches for the nearest entity.

They don’t “sync” them at all. Was looking for the same just hours ago.

@radiant summit did you play by any chance the Version I uploaded this afternoon where you have the secondary objectives with entering the empty BTR as a task? And did the mission finish this time?

[radiant summit]

Understood. Well just shoot a DM if there’s anything I can help test. I’ll be sporadically available for about the next week or two. Apartment hunting, but other than that I’m on my PC daily

[quasi jay]

Check if vanilla doesn’t have vehicle spawner yet. I believe there is one.

[solar shard]

holy. I didnt even think about that and was so proud making script progress :ugly:

[pliant rock]

😄

[worthy glade]

oh waypoints have a component that can be moved vertically, if it's too close to the bottom floor they wont go upstairs

[quasi jay]

Haha, sorry for that. But feel free to rewrite something yourself. It’s the best way to learn! 😎

[worthy glade]

using a really really thin waypoint seems to help get them specifically where i want

[solar shard]

but i want to fire it by trigger to create a spawn_us.ent so I guess I have to stick to my script

[worthy glade]

so far 70% of the time the AI gets stuck on the stairs and doesnt go up

[solar shard]

I really like you guys.

[solar shard]

which is way advanced to arma 3 😉

[pliant rock]

but as soon as the AI tries to use vehicles its worse than arma 3 😄

[worthy glade]

my udnerstanding was they cant use vehicles yet

[west karma]

Least they're using stairs 😛

[west karma]

Not old enough

[pliant rock]

sadly, yeah

[solar shard]

if you reduce the getIn WP to gunner only, it works flawless. Driver is not supported yet officially. In my own case game just crashes then.

[pliant rock]

oh, okay

need to try that out

[worthy glade]

i made a thin waypoint and lifted the secondary cylinder above the second floor, but there's zero guarantee the AI ever shows up there

[west karma]

Yeah I saw your BTR as I ran past it thinking "Oh the AI can't use vehicles yet it'll be fine"

[worthy glade]

sometimes they just stop outside the house in a random position

[solar shard]

AHAHAHA

[pliant rock]

we had like already one mission where the AI flawlessly failed in its BTR xD

even the one in the turret

[worthy glade]

werent there premade object positions somewhere that you could make the AI go to somehow

'bunker defence pos 3' or something

to make em crouch at a certain spot and look out

[solar shard]

I will do since I believe (and my understanding of your developed environment is very basic) for my need I cant use the create vehicle prefab. But I will test. Now I have other tasks to fulfil (getting kids to bed. hardest task ever)

[pliant rock]

😄

Objective: Get kids into bed!

[solar shard]

that said, I wasnt able to send an AI into the PKM of an MG nest. Anybody achieved that?

[worthy glade]

just as my daughter starts crying lo

[pliant rock]

not sure if it was the GM, but we had AI with mounted Guns shooting at us

also the three-legged ones

[solar shard]

GM works good. The getInNearest and getIn WP not. I have no idea how to achieve that.

[fringe bough]

how to make simple map marker?

in world editor

[solar shard]

technically thats in the C&H mod. But I wasnt able to transfer it more then creating the standard markers like the house or church

let us know if you made more progress. But its about the SCR_mapDescriptor

[exotic reef]

yeah it looks like their pathfinding is only 2D right now

[worthy glade]

they got real close a couple times though, even went upstairs, not sure what makes it tick

[solar shard]

you cant just implement this in the base_trigger or base_trigger_spawner prefab to the class filter, right? It has to be done in the actual script?!

[quasi jay]

Yeah, add you component to set it off

[solar shard]

when creating an own prefab (like the coopTriggerSpawner.et) where to get the ID?

[quasi jay]

RMB, copy Resource Name

Use that as parameter for Resource.Load(resName); and use the returned resource for GetGame().SpawnEntityPrefab(). Not precise name, but +-. Speaking from the top of my head. 😅

[solar shard]

Thank you!

So I create my own prefab and get its id afterwards. Wild West times 😂

[quasi jay]

Yeah. Well you can have something like:
[Attribute()]
ResourceName m_sResourceName;
And fill it from world editor. You can even drag & drop it there.

[solar shard]

will check imidiately after Operation: Sleeping kid

your engine and tool developer did an awesome job indeed

[worthy glade]

start reading them a textbook on data structures they'll go to bed

it's a win win situation

what is the time of day controller i need to plop into my mission

i like freezing missions at sunrise, cause pretty

[solar shard]

Weather and daytime manager

[worthy glade]

prefabs -> world -> TimeAndWeatherManager.et

this is my official system prefabs island

[solar shard]

Wonderful. Reminds me of desert island 20 years ago

[worthy glade]

gosh i loved ofp

first played via the demo in PCGAMER magazine

[solar shard]

But not the net code 😉

[worthy glade]

i dunno, i played competitively on the TWL ladders, and in karrillion's huge modded server, it was good enough,

[solar shard]

Yeah me too. I was around 16. Founded a big clan just by demo even without release. But that’s a bit OT

[barren heart]

@solar shard

if its a dude not in a group and is set as the default ocupant

[worthy glade]

hmmmm

[barren heart]

takeout has arrived hope that helps 👋

[pliant rock]

would be best to create an enhancement for GM, so that they can directly spawn these things with crew

[worthy glade]

what does 'sunset signal offset' do i wonder

[pliant rock]

try it out 😮

I guess it delays something

[worthy glade]

hmm i want pretty clouds for sunrise but i dont want it to be overcast, what do?!

[solar shard]

Never mind. Was on the phone and didn’t see the settings. That’s cool. Never saw that you add a soldier in the entity setting. Thank you!

[worthy glade]

can i disable third person via SCR_CameraManager?

[vital sky]

dumb question, how to i set a spawn point for myself in the test map ? i need to try it out some models i added but i don't want to load the tutorial over and over again just for that

[iron hollow]

https://github.com/Herbiie/ArmAReforgerMissionMakingGuide/wiki/ArmA-Reforger-Mission-Making---Getting-Started
follow the first part of this

[vital sky]

alright thanks

[torpid tundra]

Mission making is ridiculous at the moment not as user friendly as Arma 3

[vital sky]

i agree, the "world editor" tool is to be taken on a litteral sense imo

it's seems great to make worlds, not much for missions

hopefully they improve on that for arma 4

[solar shard]

does anybody know, how to get the ID of an own written component? Own prefabs can fetched with right mouse button, but how components?

[solar shard]

Im trying to get this done right now. The way I understand this, the bool must be inside this, since thats what happening when a chimeraCharacter enters the trigger, right?

`// Spawn when whatever enters this trigger
if (!IsSpawned())
{

        if (DoSpawnDefault())
        {
            // Once the group is spawned, in this case let's just disable the
            // trigger, making it a complete one-shot
            GenericEntity.Cast(GetOwner()).Deactivate();
            // Additionally we could just RplComponent.DeleteEntity(GetOwner(), false);
        }
    }`

[worthy glade]

how does that choose what spawns?

[solar shard]

thats at another part. this is just a braket from ex0 aispawn script. but just to bring this in if (isPlayer {}doesnt solve my problem.

I just understand where the filterin happens in this code. I understand, that the class filterin happens in the actual trigger prefab by chimeraCharacter but that I have to filter isPlayer here in the actual script. But just not where.