enfusion_scripting

[ocean kernel]

It's running on default settings lmao

[torn bane]

How long did your server run 0o

[ocean kernel]

10 minutes, but it has a lot of entities, mostly AI

[torn bane]

that does not matter, how often a save is created matters

[ocean kernel]

This seems to be the first save the server makes

Or tries to

[torn bane]

Check if your server has exsting saves, clear them.

[ocean kernel]

The persistence server config section can be used to turn it off right?

[torn bane]

Yes, save game type to 0 on mission header

[ocean kernel]

Ah I was thinking autoSaveInterval to 0

[torn bane]

No that is not your issue, auto save 10 minutes would survive for long before it has done it 999 times ... existing save points are not clearred because your playthrough never stops

[ocean kernel]

oh

so like

if you have saved 999 save points

you crash at the next one?

[torn bane]

Yes, since I thought nobody would reach it. i have to recycle back to 0

[ocean kernel]

I think this is weird since loading saves doesnt work

So it had to run until 999 on one playthrough?

[torn bane]

well look at your save data directory it will tell you

[ocean kernel]

There's only 10 saves in the folder

990 - 999

[torn bane]

Yes that does not matter, what does their number say

Well then you know, you reached 999. delete the saves

[ocean kernel]

That would mean the server was up for 7 days lol

[torn bane]

or some of your logic spammed save due to capute of base or what ever

[ocean kernel]

Ok thanks, so for now it is safer to have it disabled since you cant load it anyway without mods

[forest arrow]

class ComputerEntity : IEntity
{
protected bool m_bIsTurnedOn; // this value is edited only on authority's side

[RplRpc(RplChannel.Reliable, RplRcver.Server)]
protected void RpcAsk_Authority_Method(bool turningOn)
{
    Print("authority-side code");

    if (turningOn == m_bIsTurnedOn)                // the authority has authority
        return;                                    // prevent useless network messages

    m_bIsTurnedOn = turningOn;

    PlayMusic(turnOn);                            // play music on authority
    Rpc(RpcDo_Broadcast_Method, turningOn);        // send the music broadcast request
    Rpc(RpcDo_Owner_Method);                    // run specific code on the owner's entity (that may or may not be the authority)
}

[RplRpc(RplChannel.Reliable, RplRcver.Owner)]
protected void RpcDo_Owner_Method()
{
    Print("owner-side code");
}

[RplRpc(RplChannel.Reliable, RplRcver.Broadcast)]
protected void RpcDo_Broadcast_Method(bool turningOn)
{
    Print("proxy-side code");
    PlayMusic(turningOn);
}

protected void PlayMusic(bool turningOn)
{
    if (turningOn)
        SomeSoundClass.PlayMusic(this, "OSWelcome");
    else
        SomeSoundClass.PlayMusic(this, "OSGoodbye");
}

// public methods

void TurnOn()
{
    Rpc(RpcAsk_Authority_Method, true);
}

void TurnOff()
{
    Rpc(RpcAsk_Authority_Method, false);
}

}

Why I have errors like ComputerEntity.Rpc undefined function? This is the example code from tutorial

[fringe prairie]

Register my world controller with the system (outside of what the game automatically does) so the controller on the client side can give the proper player id and controller stored in a map. But my attempts to play the RPC game with the world controller for this purpose have not been successful haha

It’s like the calls are being dropped on dedicated server

[fringe prairie]

If a predecessor has such codecs you need to implement the method overrides and return super.Encode() etc.

Saw this on my modded Map Marker Entity class

If you have additional information to replicate that’s where you’d do it

[forest arrow]

Which mode?

[fringe prairie]

Your class, but it’s interesting that it’s doing that in this situation

At work but maybe Mario will pop in and answer better

[forest arrow]

I cant understand your answer, sorry, I'm newbe to enfusion scripting 🙂
Just trying to understand rpl things from tutorial

I cant just understand why code sample from wiki doesnt work as is.
Also tried code example from video "Replication Fundamentals" from boot camp, same situation

[minor agate]

Wrong inheritance

[forest arrow]

which should be?

[minor agate]

GenericEntity

IEntity has not RPC stuff on it

Not every entity needs Rpl stuff, expensive and wasteful

So if you want that, then you must use GenericEntity

Which is an extended version of IEntity

IEntity is the barebones

[forest arrow]

Let me try, thanks for now

[forest arrow]

Scripts/Game/SCR_RandomScenarioManager.c(1): error: Missing Entity Class for 'SF_RandomScenarioManagerClass' for Entity 'SF_RandomScenarioManager'

I just changed IEntity to GenericEntity

I found that I need to create also class with GenericEntityClass.
Why do we need that?

[minor agate]

add the prefab data class for SF_RandomScenarioManager

It's a class that defines prefab data for your entity, or component

It will let you define dependencies, requirements, etc

also it will allow you to have shared data across prefabs

[forest arrow]

and then I can find this prefab in search, right? with this name

[minor agate]

So less memory usage and such, but get on that later when you masted normal prefabs first

Just do not forget to also always declare the xxxClass to your xxx entities and components

[forest arrow]

okay. maybe can you point me to documentation for creating prefabs with classes? something like that

[minor agate]

I do not think that is documented somewhere (The other part I mentioned, the prefab data part)

That is just for optimization

[forest arrow]

Okay, so question to understand

For having my Manager instance in the world, i need to create Manager:GenericEntity and ManagerClass:GenericEntityClass

Then prefab will be created automatically by engine and I could find and place in the world, or I need to somehow create it manually using my classes?

[minor agate]

It's entity

So you need to spawn your entity somehow

Either on the world file

Or dynamically

[forest arrow]

Yes, thats the question. How I can spawn it? For now I have only .c file. How I can convert it to something, what I can spawn to create instance?

[minor agate]

I suggest you watch these

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[teal anvil]

Anyone else noticed all kills showing as friendly: true using ServerAdminTools?

[minor agate]

There are two ways to spawn an entity.
By placing it on the world file, or dynamically

[forest arrow]

Okay, looks like I need to review a lot of Boot camps.
Thanks a lot @minor agate

[minor agate]

dynamically you do so with SpawnEntity or SpawnEntityPrefab from Game class depending on if you created prefab for it or not

[midnight talon]

tbh I couldn't get world controllers working on clients even though my system is running on both, so ended up just ditching the controller completely and making calls directly through the system which seems to work fine

[fringe prairie]

Yeah something is terribly wrong with it right now

[desert escarp]

Currently I have a vehicle spawn script that works well with anything using the Vehicle class
However other mods like space core which use the Tank class, a child of the Vehicle class it causes these errors to appear

Reason: Attempt to modify locked entity from a different thread


Class:      'CRF_GearscriptManager'
Function: 'SpawnVehicle'
Stack trace:
scripts/Game/Systems/Core/Managers/CRF_GearscriptManager.c:2609 Function SpawnVehicle
scripts/Game/Systems/Components/VehicleSpawning/CRF_VehicleSpawner.c:70 Function EOnFixedFrame

void SpawnVehicle(CRF_VehicleSpawner spawner)
    {
        if (!spawner.m_sFactionKey)
        {
            Debug.Error("No Faction Key set on " + spawner.m_rVehicle + " spawner");
            return;
        }
        //Do not spawn the vehicle if the faction doesn't have the tickets
        //Handles subtracting tickets from kills that are on a timer. This means tickets are subtracted WHEN the vehicle is spawned
        if (spawner.m_bWaitingToRespawn && !spawner.m_bShouldRespawnOnSideRespawn)
        {
            if (spawner.m_RespawnManager.GetFactionTickets(spawner.m_sFactionKey) != 0 && spawner.m_RespawnManager.GetFactionTickets(spawner.m_sFactionKey) < spawner.m_iTicketsPerRespawn)
                return;
        
            if (spawner.m_RespawnManager.TicketsRemaining(spawner.m_sFactionKey))
                spawner.m_RespawnManager.SubtractTicket(spawner.m_sFactionKey, spawner.m_iTicketsPerRespawn);
        }
        EntitySpawnParams params = new EntitySpawnParams();
        params.TransformMode = ETransformMode.WORLD;
        spawner.GetTransform(params.Transform);
        IEntity vehicle = GetGame().SpawnEntityPrefab(Resource.Load(spawner.m_rVehicle), GetGame().GetWorld(), params);
        GetGame().GetCallqueue().CallLater(SetVehicle, 1000, false, vehicle, spawner);
    }

    void SetVehicle(IEntity vehicleEntity, CRF_VehicleSpawner spawner)
    {
        spawner.m_eVehicle = vehicleEntity;
        Vehicle vehicle = Vehicle.Cast(spawner.m_eVehicle);
        if (vehicle)
        {
            vehicle.m_iVehicleSpawnerIndex = spawner.m_iVehicleSpawnerIndex;
            vehicle.m_sFactionKey = spawner.m_sFactionKey;
            if (spawner.m_OverridedVehicleLoadout)
                vehicle.m_OverridedVehicleLoadout = spawner.m_OverridedVehicleLoadout;
            if (spawner.m_aVehicleGearscriptOverrides.Count() > 0)
                vehicle.m_aVehicleGearscriptOverrides = spawner.m_aVehicleGearscriptOverrides;
            if (spawner.m_aAdditionalVehicleItems.Count() > 0)
                vehicle.m_aAdditionalVehicleItems = spawner.m_aAdditionalVehicleItems;
        }
    }

IEntity vehicle = GetGame().SpawnEntityPrefab(Resource.Load(spawner.m_rVehicle), GetGame().GetWorld(), params);

This is the error line

Fixed Frame is now not on the main thread

That was the issue

[ocean kernel]

Looks like serializing the whole character entity to json doesnt work anymore but I didnt see it in the changelog

Instead it seems like there's some iteration done for loadouts over the components or whatever and then they are unserialized into an entity separately, but it's done in a way where nested storages are ignored in some cases

[wet trench]

Hi, quick question about World Systems. Can I use RplProp in a World System?

Or alternatively can I make a variable in a World Controller which will have the same value in everyone's controller?

[reef aurora]

whats this trying to tell me and how do i get around it

[timid citrus]

https://community.bistudio.com/wikidata/external-data/arma-reforger/EnfusionScriptAPIPublic/Page_WorldSystems.html#WorldSystemDocs_WorldController

Thers an example of rplprop on the code examples here

[wet trench]

I was afraid of that. I tried todo something similar with my own class. My codecs must be wrong or something

[true tendon]

Its bc of a mod u have in your dependency

I had same issue with Big chungus Combined Arms pack, but didnt realize he deleted it. That´s why it gave me that errorline

[reef aurora]

all my dependency mods are still active though

[true tendon]

interesting. Do you already search up on that GEA_SelfDetructComponent.c?

bc it has to be some script of a mod u are using

[reef aurora]

so after looking into it the script is tied to this mod

[wet trench]

So I have worked this example into my project. On the server I set the playerName and the OnPlayerNameChanged runs on all machines. However, when retrieving the playerName from a client's own controller afterwards, I get the empty string ''. But at the time in OnPlayerNameChanged I receive the name okay and I can use a static variable else where to save the value. So the name never seems to remain, even though that makes the client's value different to the server's. Would you know if this is the intended behavior?

[timid citrus]

I do not know, but i imagine ark will when he's around.

[wet trench]

oh ok

[ocean kernel]

Where can I get information on changes made to arsenal loadouts?

[minor agate]

Share your script, it will be easier

[forest arrow]

Hello. Still have a problem with RPL.

In my scenario I have en entity with script

class SF_RandomScenarioManagerClass: GenericEntityClass
{
}

class SF_RandomScenarioManager: GenericEntity
{
void Start()
{
ShowHint()
}

protected void ShowHint()
{
     Rpc(RpcDo_ShowHint);
}

[RplRpc(RplChannel.Reliable, RplRcver.Broadcast)]
protected void RpcDo_ShowHint()
{

SCR_HintManagerComponent.GetInstance().ShowCustomHint(
"You have joined the HVK_D15 factionssss!", "Faction Assigned", 3.0
);
}
}

Then I have a chat command

protected ScrServerCmdResult StartScenarioAction(array<string> argv, int playerId = 0)
{
//DynamicScenarioManager is the name of my spawned entity in world with type SF_RandomScenarioManager
SF_RandomScenarioManager mng = SF_RandomScenarioManager.Cast(GetGame().GetWorld().FindEntityByName("DynamicScenarioManager"));
mng.Start();

    return ScrServerCmdResult(string.Format("Scenario started"), EServerCmdResultType.OK);
}

On dedicated server players cant see hint. Why? Who can help?
@minor agate maybe you?) I did it after our yesterdays discussion

[wet trench]

oh ah I'll post mine but I'll have a look at Andrii too
So I have left in parts for a class named CLINTON_VirtualPlayerManager. This is what I'm ultimately wanting to replicate

[minor agate]

Your world system only exists on client

Make it Server or Both

There is nothing in server linking and owning the controllers

So they don't exist there

On WB Listen server, it would work as the server is also a client there

But on Dedicated it will break

[minor agate]

Do you have RplComponent on this entity?

[forest arrow]

Yes

[minor agate]

Can i see the settings?

[forest arrow]

Can we have a call? or you want here?

[minor agate]

Send it here
I am working at the moment so I can't commit full focus on this at moment.

Here it will be faster

[forest arrow]

And just for understanding.

I have spawned prefab with RplComponent and chat command.

Chat command function will be executed on client?
Prefab functions will be executed on server by default?

So getting spawned entity and calling function from chat command will work like:

1. Client -> Server
2. Client -> Client, as for server I need to do Rpc call with server target?

[minor agate]

I suggest you watch both replication bootcamps

You have spatial relevancy and streaming enabled

Meaning that the entity might not exist on some clients that are too far away of a defined networking "distance", distance is wrong term here as it is not radius based. but you can understand it quicker like this for now

Once the client is around the defined cells touching or inside this radius, then the entity will be streamed in to the client, and be available on it

non streamed entity means no entity on client

and when the client gets far away, it will be streamed out (It will be deleted on the client side)

[forest arrow]

understood. Disabled both options

[minor agate]

That might be what is happening on your side

streaming enabled gives the possibility to stream in and out.

spatial relevancy makes it stream in and out based on this distance (Streaming has to be enabled)

unticked spatial relevancy while having ticked streamable means you have to stream things in and out yourself.

[forest arrow]

But if I will untick both, it means that prefab will work as static, right? it always be replicated to client

[minor agate]

yeah

But

avoid doing so

I see you are doing a manager

Do a system instead of an entity

[forest arrow]

examples?

[minor agate]

See replication bootcamps 🙂

We go into that in detail

[forest arrow]

okay, thanks

[minor agate]

They are made in series, watch first one, then second one

First
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asWxIIHT6d0

Second
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTqb3QvndxA

[forest arrow]

Okay. Expected to do it quickly, but looks like need to check important bootcamps first 🙂

[minor agate]

Updated the links. Posted it incorrectly at first

[wet trench]

I'm trying it now. It seems to make sense. I have my system location set to both. Both before and now in OnUpdate it's not finding the controller on any client. Maybe while the controller is being created I need to save my own reference to it on the system?

[minor agate]

FindController method currently does not work

Only FindMyController (Local version)

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#enfusion_scripting message

[wet trench]

okay I'll keep that in mind. I'm thinking I can implement my own map<RplIdentity, BotsWorldController> and use something like the controllers constructor to add itself to the map

and I'll use the search window to make sure I haven't used FindController yet

[abstract crescent]

does anyone know what "_S" suffix means in vanilla functions? Server side only functions or what?

[minor agate]

Yeah

[wet trench]

@minor agate In the World Controllers Example, (At the bottom of the API doc on World Systems)

class PlayerNameInputSystem : BaseSystem // 1.
{
    override static void InitInfo(WorldSystemInfo outInfo)
    {
        // 2.
        outInfo
            .SetAbstract(false)
            .SetLocation(ESystemLocation.Client)
            .AddPoint(ESystemPoint.Frame)
            .AddController(PlayerNameInputController);
    }
 
    override void OnUpdate(ESystemPoint point)
    {
        string playerName;
        bool apply = false;
 
        // Display DbgUI window which allows player to change their name.
        DbgUI.Begin("Player name input");
        DbgUI.InputText("name", playerName);
        apply = DbgUI.Button("Apply");
        DbgUI.End();
 
        if (apply)
        {
            // 4.
            auto controller = PlayerNameInputController.Cast(
                WorldController.FindMyController(this.GetWorld(), PlayerNameInputController)
            );
            controller.RequestNameChange(playerName);
        }
    }
}

class PlayerNameInputController : WorldController // 1.
{
    override static void InitInfo(WorldControllerInfo outInfo)
    {
        // 3.
        outInfo.SetPublic(true);
    }
 
    [RplProp(onRplName: "OnPlayerNameChanged")]
    string m_PlayerName;
 
    void RequestNameChange(string newPlayerName)
    {
        Rpc(Rpc_NameChange_S, newPlayerName);
    }
 
    [RplRpc(RplChannel.Reliable, RplRcver.Server)]
    private void Rpc_NameChange_S(string newPlayerName)
    {
        if (m_PlayerName == newPlayerName)
            return;
 
        m_PlayerName = newPlayerName;
        Replication.BumpMe();
        // We invoke callback explicitly on server. On clients, it will be invoked
        // automatically when replication changes m_PlayerName value.
        this.OnPlayerNameChanged();
    }
 
    private void OnPlayerNameChanged()
    {
        auto serverSideOwner = this.GetServerSideOwner();
        // This message will appear on server and all clients.
        PrintFormat("Player %1 name '%2'", serverSideOwner, m_PlayerName);
    }
}

Does everybody share the same player name? Or, is the purpose of the example that, one player's controller will have only their name no-matter if you refer to the Controller's Authority or Proxies?

[mild quarry]

I haven’t deleted it yet, I unlisted and marked it for deletion so people have time to remove the dependencies before I delete it

[pliant ingot]

each player have one own world controller, server - all of them

[wooden fossil]

Anyone know if the PIPCamera attached to the 2DPIPScope component is accessible at all? Trying to make a first person spectate mod, and to me it would make sense that the camera is private/protected to the client using the weapon anyway (why would u stream a PIP cam to every player lol). But aye, I just wanna access it and I really don't wanna do some awful override script to reduce the privacy of the var. I would make a chasecam PIP, but that won't unblock the grey'd out area of the scope if ya get me

https://community.bistudio.com/wikidata/external-data/arma-reforger/ArmaReforgerScriptAPIPublic/interfaceSCR__2DPIPSightsComponent.html

It's down as a a protected attribute, so im guessing i would make a derivative class, then access it through that? just seems like a faf hahaha

wanted to bounce it off some peeps more experienced first

[tough cave]

for a custom mission, does anyone have persistence working where it will remember what group you were in for rejoin (within 60 seconds by default)? the character collection is missing or empty, not sure. I did some custom code in the ReconnectData in the mean time.

[red cedar]

Those are the 2 best bootcamps videos.

They're what got me from guessing what i was doing to actually having an idea of how things works

[red cedar]

I have a question regarding rplprops :

Can we only sync from the server -> client side or can it go the other way around ?

The issue i'm facing is i'm trying to get the player's camera position from one client to another and when i run client side -> rplprop -> (other) client side the values don't update.

And if i fetch those informations from the server side it feels like i'm failing to get the player's current camera.

I'm trying to avoid spamming RPC calls as i heard it's not the best for perf.

Thanks in advance ^^

[desert escarp]

If you do that with an RplProp you are gonna be updating it for every player, if youre fishing for performance like that doing an Rpc is the better option

[red cedar]

I guess i better use the unreliable channel then?

[desert escarp]

You can use reliable, is this on every frame?

[pliant ingot]

1. All coms between clients only through server
2. Don't use RplProp for this stuff, just Rpc through unreliable channel

[red cedar]

Every frame o'clock :)

[desert escarp]

Yeah 100% unreliable then

[red cedar]

Okk sounds fair enough.

Thanks a lot guys :)

[desert escarp]

You can do an Rpc to the server and use the player controllers with the owner receiver to Rpc directly to the client you want to get/send data from

[pliant ingot]

3. Every fixed frame

[desert escarp]

^^

Replication runs off of Fixed Frame updates

[red cedar]

What's the difference between fixed frame and post frame?

[desert escarp]

So Frame updates just make a bunch of needless replication calls

[red cedar]

Hmm.. so fixed frame is the same thread as the one replication runs on?

When should i then use postframe rather than post fixed frame then?

[desert escarp]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Entity_Lifecycle

[red cedar]

Amazing !

Thanks a lot

[pliant ingot]

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of course you can add interpolation stuff and do this in normal frames, but it's much more complex

[red cedar]

Fair enough, thanks a lot for your help !

[wanton jetty]

is there any way to query keypresses?

[fringe prairie]

So I’ve got code that does this stuff in TDL

You don’t stream anything it’s just code that tells one of the cameras available to you where to go and what layout to render to

And the cameras don’t render new things (so it’s based on what’s around you)

[formal marten]

Apparently they're are massive restrictions on scripting now which, according to a friend is going to result in the motion trackers used by halo mods and presumably the Coalition squad interface, being banned

Has anyone heard anything about this or?

[ocean needle]

i havent heard anything about that but why would they?
would be a bit silly to restrict anything but illegal or offensive stuff

[formal marten]

What are the rules on scripting because according to one of the groups I'm in they have changed a lot

[river imp]

Have whoever in the group is saying such things cite their resource?

It'd be an interesting read for all of us.

[formal marten]

They said Mario ie the dev Mario but he's just corrected himself

Im presuming mistaken identity and someone chatting out of their backside

[river imp]

Highly likely.

[minor agate]

I have not talked about this with anyone or even anything remotely related

There is no new restrictions, nothing has changed.

[minor agate]

What exactly are they saying?

[timid citrus]

There were a few methods that were made protected is only thing I can think of.

[midnight talon]

Would be highly surprising considering IIRC one of BI's own modding bootcamp videos includes an example of making a minimap/radar 😁

[formal marten]

They said that the motion tracker used by halo mods were getting banned for an undisclosed reason after speaking to a Mario who was supposedly the community manager, after I posted my message here he redacted his statement

[formal marten]

Exactly

[fringe prairie]

Yeah maybe the issue is player data off the game or telemetry, intentionally malicious stuff. But HUD stuff, definitely not an issue.

[minor agate]

This never happened.

Also i am not community manager, so they probably talked to someone else

[formal marten]

Alright I'll speak with em

[ocean kernel]

Is the new method of serializing loadouts ignoring attachments?

[minor agate]

No idea, ask an active AR dev. Perhaps @torn bane knows as he is working on that area.

[ocean kernel]

You used to serialize the whole entity or something, now there's a different way and attachments on gear are ignored

Is it just a question of recursion depth or what

Would be nice if changelog included logic changes

[torn bane]

You can see how our arsenal code does it. https://enfusionengine.com/api/redirect?to=enfusion://ScriptEditor/Scripts/Game/GameMode/Loadout/SCR_PlayerArsenalLoadout.c;112

[sinful oasis]

Hi, how do I actually identify this? I check the console.log but genuinely found no sign of a broken file, but suddenly, every single other file I ever made started randomly breaking. I was forced to roll back, luckily didn't lose too much progress but this was cumbersome and I never had this issue before. Do you have any recommendations for future mitigation or resolving?

[torn bane]

Normally you will see more errors in before or after in console. so you read all of them if there is something fishy

[sinful oasis]

I only saw from the moment the file broke, but I may have missed it. Thanks! Is the WB Console Log enough, or is the file needed?

[torn bane]

Both will show the same info

[timid citrus]

How does the bohemia dev to help modders debug program thing work? Do we just ask here or is there a way to apply or something?

Mario mentioned it a couple days ago.

[minor agate]

Just ask here

[red cedar]

I'm a bit confused with this :

Why doesn't this work

IEntity headEntity = identityComp.GetHeadEntity();
            if(headEntity)
            {
                headEntity.SetFlags(EntityFlags.VISIBLE, false);
            }

And if we're trying to set the opacity of the head instead why do we need to put 255 to make it transparent ?? shouldn't it be an alpha of 0 to make it transparent ??

Nevermind... it's just my genius creating gravity once again..

so set flags isn't SetFlags(Flag, Value) but rather SetFlags(Flag, IsRecursive) so yeah... clearflags does the job..

[west prism]

Anyone here know how to do arsenals?

That's kinda the blocker atp

[kindred vessel]

what are you asking exactly, building an arsenal config?

have a look at entityCatalogs in config

[west prism]

want to set up the arsenal and nations fo rhtem

[kindred vessel]

Have a look at Entity Catalogs and this tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98aa_y7c4Q0 that should help you

[west prism]

Thank you very much, I think this will help me.

[kindred vessel]

just don't create your own factions yet that is a whole new level, try using US and USSR and only change their descriptive names.

[pallid kraken]

hello,how to combine two moded scripts in one ?

[kindred vessel]

Why'd you want to do that? do they modify the same piece of code? then you can reprogram the modification

[pallid kraken]

both mods had moded same manager and code lines,but one was comment the line,another wasnt,when running in server,the script wasnt comment the lines cause errors,so I need make anonter new script override that and keep comment the lines.

[kindred vessel]

thats exactly the way to go, modify it and make sure it's ordered above that mod

[red cedar]

1. make sure the order is right (last in takes priority)

2. call the base if needed or not depending on your need

[kindred vessel]

what this kitty said, except if it's your mod loading the faulty mod as a dependency. that makes it last, my previous comment was incorrect

[pallid kraken]

let me try Im a script rookie

😂

[kindred vessel]

keep trying and try learning one of the C languages their very similar in syntax

[red cedar]

C# / C++ preferably(i'd say c# is closer, and easier)

[graceful shoal]

Hello!

We are working on getting all of our BLUFORs locations to show to other BLUFOR regaurdless of where they are on the map. My guys have ran into issues with this, have any of you wizards found what is probs a simple solution to this?

[red cedar]

Mods already exist for that. I believe Kex made one

https://reforger.armaplatform.com/workshop/5CAB06A845A6DC18

[graceful shoal]

Yeah only issue is we don’t want to use dependencies, for technical reasons and we are monetization approved therefore we also have to have explicit contract with the creators that they approve of it being used on our server.

[coarse pasture]

Good luck

[red cedar]

Fair enough, well in that case I'd suggest getting one of your dev to make a similar mod made "in house"

[graceful shoal]

Yeah, that’s the idea. Was just wondering if it was something common knowledge that we were missing.

[coarse pasture]

I've tried to do something along those lines, conditionally based on admin status. It is not an easy solve.

[graceful shoal]

That’s what I’ve been told, my script devs are really sharp dudes and they are at Witt’s ends with it

[left pendant]

I know I'm probably probably so close to finding it but I just cannot see it right now.

Where are stuff like Rotor classes stored in the script? There is currently 2 and I want to add a third type, and I'm not asking for the script done for me, I just need to know where to find the stock ones to look at how its done.

[fringe prairie]

For Helis?

[left pendant]

yes

[fringe prairie]

All of that is handled engine side, so even if you make your own the game will likely crash

Or not use it

I can double check for you, but the game engine is handing all of the forces, how they work, etc

[left pendant]

I found VehiclePartRotor.c with:

class VehiclePartRotorClass: GenericEntityClass
{
}

class VehiclePartRotor: GenericEntity
{
}

[fringe prairie]

If it says “this is generated” you aren’t going to be able to do anything with that

It’s just exposing its existence to the script side

[left pendant]

I know, I'm looking for where the Rotor Entities are stored to see if I can inject a third option

[fringe prairie]

So the heli sim class accepts a main rotor and tail rotor, any other combination does not seem to work

But really it’s almost an easier time if you want to pursue this to inject it your self with parallel component since it’s just slot manager, animations, mesh swapping, and destruction handling

“Just” is being a bit conservative

It would be cool to have two main rotors like on my chinook but steering (yaw) is exclusively tied to the tail rotor, so in a way it might be better as a feedback request item, but I like hacks like this

[left pendant]

I'm trying to work out to get Z axis rotor thrust for a skid steering component

[fringe prairie]

Nothing is ever impossible, but some things like this will be very hard. An example is that where the rotors are handled more than likely is within the "Helicopter" class, which is not exposed on script side, we have the HelicopterSimulation component, which is generated thus only a few things are visible on it (like get what type of landing gear, but you want to something with it? No!)
SCR_HelicopterControllerComponent/VehicleControllerComponent is moddable though, even if other related components might not be.

What are you trying to do with the skids exactly, or the outcome? There is probably a way to force what you need

[red cedar]

I'm so happy to know devs are just like us frfr

[left pendant]

for the vehicle class I'm working on, I need to have the rear rotors to handle both Z and X axis. First step of proof of concept would be adding a Z Rotor and seeing how that would work. I could also try just using Z Axis and use thrust vectoring

[fringe prairie]

You could measure the existing forces on the model with physics api, but moving the skids would be difficult I think because they are game code and like wheels, can’t be moved once instantiated.

[left pendant]

no, sorry I used the first term that popped in my head because I couldnt remember the flight term for, turning via Left-Right engine throttle, Like skid steering/track steering.

[fringe prairie]

Is this for a VTOL? Like left/right rotor?

[left pendant]

no, but I guess it could be, never thought about that

[wooden fossil]

how do i draw debug lines

just one singular red oat is all i require brother

i need it

[desert escarp]

The debug lines do not work outside of the workbench/diag versions of the game

[wooden fossil]

piss

thank u tho aaa

[desert escarp]

[wooden fossil]

could i do it as a GM ui coimponent tho aye

or u not k n o w

im dogshit at UI

[red cedar]

aren't we all ?

[delicate anchor]

How would one run a script at game start, without it being a gamemode? I want the script to be loaded on every scenario, so creating an entity and adding it to a map is a no go

I tried making a GenericEntity script and calling EOnInit, but as far as I figured out, you'd have to actually add that script to the game world?

[ocean needle]

depending on what youre doing you could use a system

just need to add it your system to a system config and put that in your mission header

or overwrite one if you can't change the header

[delicate anchor]

Would that load on every scenario possible?

What I'm really trying to do is listen for events from the editor/gamemaster, which I've figured out, but to subscribe to those, I'd have to ofcourse have a singleton script that runs at game start

[ocean needle]

if you overwrite the base gamemode systems config it might

no idea what the best practices are but you could then instantiate a helper class and keep a ref in your system and just do what you need

[delicate anchor]

I'll check out those posibillities, thanks!

[vast flower]

is there any way to manipulate vehicle bones via script code (or just open or remove this this door)?

[delicate anchor]

I overwrote the base gamemode systems file and added my config. It does exactly what I want! Screw best practice, it works haha! Thanks a lot

[dire sinew]

Animation::SetBoneMatrix

[scarlet iris]

You can create a component and attach it to base game mode prefab

[dire sinew]

Easiest is to mod ArmaReforgerScripted and override OnGameStart.

No need to tamper with prefabs

[delicate anchor]

Roger, will take a look at your suggestion. Thank you.

[shrewd nova]

PLATFORM (E): Save data file 'WorldState/000001e1-bc00-8025-8000-0053005bc006.json' is too large. Maximum allowed size is 16MB.
@torn bane
Sooo is there any way to switch this up so we can have multiple files and have each be a different category of saving??

[visual hazel]

https://discord.com/channels/105462288051380224/1430828753717559430

[frosty sable]

Hey thats my Json file 😂

[midnight talon]

Damn nice I didn't realise there was a scriptable entry point this early

[tough cave]

do the BI devs know they left the tmp.c (debug) script for that Poison thing in game? running OnUpdate every time

[torn bane]

Where exactly? Can you show me in workbench please? Screenshot?

[tough cave]

Scripts/game/tmp.c

ill screenshot in a bit

[midnight talon]

experimental? my 1.6 prod WB only has game.c in that dir

[torn bane]

One of your mods you have loaded adds itt. Base game does not have this file

[tough cave]

my bad, i saw other ppl complaining about it, so I assumed. It looks like it's in ace core, so that mod may have been left in a weird state. and no namespacing. sorry for wasting your time, I stayed up all night, and was obsessed with the idea that something is going on with debug mode and mission stuff, that is creating performance issues or something

[torn bane]

The idea is correct, just the wrong place. Please tell the mod author 🙂

[tough cave]

EDIT: nvm, I deactivated the AI early on. Reactivated when players join for first time. This is on top of other fixes that probably optimized things. I don't know if there is a burst of activated AI at that time though, and if it can be reset another way so it goes back to distance-based (network bubble) deactivation again.

anyone know if the game is semi-paused or in a special state (past pregame though if looking at scripting though) when dedicated server first starts? it seems there is a ton of CPU usage until a player joins, then normal usage, and it quiets down when they leave. and maybe it should pause while waiting after pregame manually in (custom) game mode. not sure. AI and everything spawns in during pregame as normal, but it seems to finish quickly enough.

[sleek moat]

I'm assuming there's no way to mod a script and stop the old og one compiling?

[ocean needle]

how do i get/listen for an event from an ActionsManagerComponent the base get actions method returns 0 actions and the get actions method within a context (default context) also returns 0?

is there another way to get the action that im missing?

[ebon escarp]

Hello, I'm getting oriented on the new Enfusion APIs. It seems like the documentation is broken for the SCR_RespawnHandlercomponent, which no longer exists? Also, the main Youtube tutorial which discusses this also seems to be outdated, and I can't find anything updated in the BIKI.

[timid citrus]

Its not a component anymore its in a spawn logic type i believe

[wooden cape]

Been seeing this spam client error.logs since the 1.6 update:

SocialComponent::IsRestricted: Invalid otherPlayerID

Seems to come in batches upon player connect

[thorny spoke]

Coming from Arma 3, anyone got any examples of a client calling a server side function that then persists something?

Do server side functions exist? How to I have code that can only be executed server side?

[ebon escarp]

the concept of serverside here is basically just an if statement for something like "if IsAuthority()" or "if IsMaster()"). There are examples of stuff like this all around the code -- if you look at classes like GameMode, GameState, SpawnLogic, you'll see how they're doing it and can just follow their example.

Just like in Arma 3 you'd do stuff like "isServer" and "isDedicated"

[ocean kernel]

Are there any cool script things in 1.6?

As in scripting features

[ebon escarp]

(Just in case this helps someone searching in the future).
Here is a demonstration of how to get hint messages to display for Reforger, like in Arma 3! (SCR_HintManagerComponent)

bool wasShown = SCR_HintManagerComponent.GetInstance()
  .Show(SCR_HintUIInfo.CreateInfo(
    "hello world", 
    "myHintName",
    60.0, // 60 seconds, to make sure you see it
    EHint.CONFLICT_VETERANCY, 
    EFieldManualEntryId.CONFLICT_RECON, 
    true
  ), false, true); // <-- this final "true" forces it to display no matter what!

PrintFormat("sending hint! wasShown=%1", wasShown);

[ebon escarp]

Tutorial! How to bind your own custom code to an in-game event in Reforger: in this case, we'll show a hint message when you turn on a helicopter's engine.
You can do this for any event: just look for the ScriptInvoker* fields in any class, and then you can do this same pattern to write your own custom stuff whenever those events happen in-game.

[scarlet dune]

wow thats cool

[midnight talon]

A lot more vanilla things are typed as auto 😎

[gentle cradle]

how do i disable the group loadout thing

[midnight talon]

I'm not sure if there's a vanilla option but you can disable the check via script by overriding the SCR_AIGroup.IsLoadoutInGroup() method to always return true which should effectively enable all faction loadouts

[gentle cradle]

will this restore it back to before the patch?

[ripe leaf]

Hi! Getting my first looks at enforce script at the moment.
Am I missing something? Is there no try/catch? I also can't find any Exception or Error classes in the docs.

I'm primarily looking here, which is the only syntax reference to my knowledge:
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/DayZ:Enforce_Script_Syntax

[midnight talon]

No try/catch so get used to doing if (!value) return; a lot

[ripe leaf]

ah I see. But what happens if I actually do something stupid? like a zero divisor or an out-of-bounds array read?

[midnight talon]

It will throw a VME which in WB you can debug or in prod client I think the method throwing it just aborts/returns early

[ripe leaf]

ahh okay. Thanks for your help!

[river imp]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:ScriptInvoker_Usage

[wanton jetty]

does anyone know how to query keypresses/mouse presses?

[ebon escarp]

Thank you for making these videos! They were super helpful. I did not realize that you are using ECS: I thought the terms Entity and Component were just a concidence until I watched these videos.

[ocean kernel]

"ECS"

Big Systems wants you to believe systems are the best thing in the world

[ocean kernel]

redundant variables m_iSavePointNr and m_iPlaythroughNr, broken variable m_iStartedUnix in meta files for session saves

[solemn furnace]

Hello everyone. Guys, I need some advice - I'm trying to figure out how to connect Arma RF to an SQL or MongoDB database through EDF. My question is: does this framework already allow this, or is it still under development? Or is this implemented in some specific way? Here's the error that WorkBench is giving me. Thanks for your help.

Or do I need to use the extDB library instead?

[torn bane]

I would not start any project using EPF anymore, have a look at the vanilla system #1430828753717559430 message. External db support comming in future updates

[torn bane]

Not redundant. What makes you believe started is broken?

[ocean kernel]

They're redundant because this information is already in the folder and file names, the started variable is always 0

[torn bane]

The folder names are only for you to read nicely, the meta info file is what matters. On consoles the structure is entirely different. Started should not be 0, i'll have a look

[thorny spoke]

any way for me to add interaction to items? e.g add an option to a door, or add a trigger to a computer? Similar to how you interact with doors/lights

[coarse bane]

„in the future” any ETA?

[timid citrus]

ActionSystemManagerComponent

Add a action context and an additional action that has the action context set to the one that you just created.

[torn bane]

This year hopefully

[coarse bane]

what if half of framework is done on epf and now vanilla introduced persistent, should we switch to arma persistane or wait for future updates and then rewrite

[torn bane]

Switch as soon as you can, from modding POV you can already use it well in workbench. for production use some fixes are necessary but they are coming with updates

[coarse bane]

;/

ye but for now external databases is not supported

right?

[torn bane]

But any time invested into EPF is wasted, it is deprecated

There is plenty to work on before you even need a real database. until then it might already be in the game.

[midnight talon]

What do you need DB storage for that FS can't do?

[coarse bane]

why would i want to use file storage instead of db unstructed data is slow

[ocean kernel]

better usage of database is to have communication between multiple servers

speed is rarely a factor nowadays when everything runs on NVMe

[midnight talon]

like 90% of the time in games you're doing direct lookup by ID which local FS is very fast for, the main reason to need DB is for hive-like shared server persistence like bacon mentioned

even then you could probably split up your json bundles you want shared (usually just player characters and stats) and use rsync or something to sync files for that global stuff across your servers

[solid hearth]

proper db > fs

[torn bane]

Reforger data is highly unstructured and key value only. You do not really need any query databse, you usually only need some document dump. Even redis would work, or cloudflare KV storage.

Multiple servers accessing the same data is the key point yes, that is not really possible with local FS

[fringe prairie]

Any reason why certain shaders are kaleidoscope on Xbox? Like the thermal imaging post process effect?

[thorny spoke]

Any guidance available on extending EveronLife framework? I think my scripts are not loading because they are not attached to the prefab (GameMode_Roleplay.et) maybe I am very wrong

I have managed to override a UI component successfully, my script is located in the /scripts folder

For context, I my own mod that's got it as a dependency

I can't find a link to the Everon discord that's talked about on github

[minor agate]

I thought that project was abandonded a long time ago

[thorny spoke]

Arkensor committed to it last week for the 1.6 update, maybe that does explain the discord being gone

but I can't @ staff members 😂

[torn bane]

To make it compile for those who still have not removed it as dependency

[ocean kernel]

@torn bane why does this say that setting autoSaveInterval to 0 disables it? https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Server_Config#persistence

this is incorrect as setting it to 0 makes it save every frame

[river imp]

ActionsManagerComponent

[timid citrus]

Haha yeah wow i had just woke up i swear 😉

[ebon escarp]

How do we override a config file? I was taught to go to "Create > Config File > Select Class", in the main Workbench window, but I don't see ChimeraSystemConfig as an available option. Also, the Solution Explorer claims not to recognize that file name.. so, clearly I'm looking in the wrong place.

[gloomy lynx]

right click it > override

[ebon escarp]

Thank you! The answer that nobody clarified directly is that we must search for the file in the usual Resource Browser panel, and then right click on it there.

[ebon escarp]

Follow-up: even after reimporting and restart the workbench, the new script I made which inherits from WorldSystem isn't recognized from the list. Clearly there is a pitfall that either I'm overlooking, or there is something that everyone in the search history is glossing over.

[gloomy lynx]

well did you override or inherit, they are different

[ebon escarp]

I don't know why you're being pedantic about that, but inherit is what the : means in MySystem : WorldSystem, and there is no super call in any of the other subclasses which inherit from it (same with GameSystem).

[gloomy lynx]

what exactly are you trying to do?

[ebon escarp]

Clearly, from the screenshot above, I'm trying to spam the log console with a print message, so that I can learn how to register a system properly.

[pliant ingot]

what is the path to your script file?

[ebon escarp]

\ArmaReforgerWorkbench\Project00\unnamed_Layers\MySystem.c

[pliant ingot]

all scripts must be in scripts/%ModuleName% folder

[gloomy lynx]

needs to be in project00/scripts/game

[pliant ingot]

modules you can find in project settings, but 99% - game

[ebon escarp]

Thank you - this is a reasonable pitfall that anybody can fall into. Thank you for the guidance

[gloomy lynx]

worlds and layers need to be in %myproject%/Worlds/%worldname%/world.et and %myproject%/Worlds/%worldname%/world_layers

[ebon escarp]

Is this kind of knowledge documented anywhere that I should have seen already? It seems very tribal

[gloomy lynx]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Directory_Structure

you can also look at how base game directory is structured, and copy it

[ebon escarp]

It says that the structure is for their own internal designs: the fact that their ECS system is looking specifically for a magic folder path should be made clear somewhere. Otherwise, why give us the freedom to create our own folder structures?

There's no point in me complaining though: I won't be the last person to get confused by this

Thank you @gloomy lynx and @pliant ingot for the help!

[gloomy lynx]

theres a certain freedom at certain levels in the directory hierarchy, but some things absolutely need to be in the correct place to even work

[ebon escarp]

Sounds like a DevX bug

[gloomy lynx]

any scripts outside of scripts/game will not be recognized

as for configs it depends

prefabs and assets like .et and .xobs can pretty much be anywhere

but practicing good structure saves time and confusion for you in the future

for best practice, model your directories exactly how base game does

[gloomy lynx]

this can help as well
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Asset_Browser_Mod_Integration

[thorny spoke]

I'm trying to perform an action when a user presses f5

    if (inputMgr && inputMgr.GetActionTriggered("VehicleSpawn"))
    {
        Print("[Vehicles] VehicleSpawn action triggered!");
        Rpc(RpcDo_SpawnVehicleOnServer);
    }

Any idea what I might be missing here 😓

[torn bane]

Lol. You can disable it also via enabled save type property on mission header .

[red cedar]

Give me one sec

[red cedar]

1. override the file chimeraInputCommon.conf

2. restart your workench LMAO

3. Add your keybind config like you just did in that file

4. Add a context to your keybind(a context define when a keybind is active or inactive, this way you don't start shooting your rifle or crouching while flying a helicopter)
   (My guess would be you'll need to use CharacterMovementContext)

5. for the code part it's best if you use the addactionlistener

        m_inputMgr.AddActionListener(MY_ACTION_NAME, EActionTrigger.DOWN, myActionTriggered);

void myActionTriggered()
{
Print("[Vehicles] VehicleSpawn action triggered!");
}

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Input_Manager

[ocean kernel]

As in m_bIsSavingEnabled or some other parameter?

[torn bane]

{
    "game": {
        "gameProperties": {
            "missionHeader": {
                "m_eSaveTypes": 5
            },

would just be manual + shutdown, disabling auto saves entirely

[ocean kernel]

Ah sweet. Which wiki page is this on?

Seems a bit out of place to have a persistence related setting outside of persistence

[torn bane]

It's just a mission header property override. Mission headers can define which save types are enabled

[ocean kernel]

oki doki, will the auto save interval set to 0 be working as disable after upcoming update?

[torn bane]

In a future update yes. First I have to fix it next week internally 🙂

[solid hearth]

Is there any way to disable the windage affect via config or script? Or is the only way to just edit base prefabs and mark it down as 0

[thorny spoke]

Thank you!!

I'm seeing the actionlistner get registered but no joy.. I think it's because I can't find where to define the context. Is it in the VehicleSpawn.conf file I defined?

[red cedar]

No. You need to ditch your vehiclespawn.conf

Use ChimeraInput.conf

[thorny spoke]

It gives me the option for custom configs at the bottom, take it that's incorrect

[red cedar]

Under your desired context you add the name of your action in the list "action refs"

[thorny spoke]

got that, so where do i define what key maps to this?

[red cedar]

To define the keybind it's all the way at the top in "Actions" i believe

I'm not sure what's the name of the section for it, but basically the same way you did in your vehiclespawn.conf.

[thorny spoke]

Thank you so much!! I am coming from A3 so it's taking me a hot minute to get used to all this

[red cedar]

All good, i was even worse when I began, but i talked with awesome people that helped me out ^^

Hope you'll find your new home here

And a huge thank you to all A3 modders for making the game awesome and making me want to mod games myself.

[trim aurora]

Hey this is a snippet of a world editor plugin I have been using for some time now, to snap objects together. But since the 1.6 update the copying of the RELATIVE_Y flag is bugged. For some reason the RELATIVE_Y always gets activated. Did something change with flags or did I have something wrong from the beginning?
I am kinda confused whats going wrong here, because even other plugins from BI use this approach (E.g. SCR_EntityFlagsManagerPlugin.c, Line 279).

vector angles, lastPos;
lastSelectedSource.Get("coords", lastPos);
lastSelectedSource.Get("angles", angles);
        
string placementMode;
EntityFlags lastFlags, newFlags;
for (int i, count = (entityCount - 1); i < count; i++)
{
    IEntitySource entitySource = worldEditorAPI.GetSelectedEntity(i);
    
    //Rotation
    worldEditorAPI.SetVariableValue(entitySource, {}, "angles", angles.ToString(false));

    //Placement
    lastSelectedSource.Get("placement", placementMode);
    worldEditorAPI.SetVariableValue(entitySource, {}, "placement", placementMode);
    
    //Flags - Relative_Y
    lastSelectedSource.Get("Flags", lastFlags);
    entitySource.Get("Flags", newFlags);
    
    if(lastFlags & EntityFlags.RELATIVE_Y) {
        newFlags |= EntityFlags.RELATIVE_Y;
    } else {
        newFlags &= ~EntityFlags.RELATIVE_Y;
    }
    
    //Flags
    worldEditorAPI.SetVariableValue(entitySource, {}, "Flags", (newFlags).ToString());
    
    //Position
    worldEditorAPI.SetVariableValue(entitySource, {}, "coords", lastPos.ToString(false));
}

[ebon escarp]

@trim aurora FYI I think your for loop might have an off-by-1 error: I don't think you need to do entityCount - 1 in the declaration.

If you do i <= count then that can also fix it

[trim aurora]

That should be fine since I snap all objects to the last in the array. So I skip the last Object.

[trim aurora]

Just tried it with SetFlags and ClearFlags over the IEntity and they also have no effect.
The if case still works, but the setting of the relative_Y value just seams broken.

[ocean needle]

why do prefabs i spawn via script do this sometimes?
i cant fix it or get it to happen reliably
manually calling entity.Update() fixes it*

[trim aurora]

OK I think I am going crazy. I now do everything the same as the SCR_EntityFlagsManagerPlugin does it, but the flags don't get set for some reason. The workbench does pick up that something happend to the flags, because if you reset all flags then run the script the Traceable, Visible and Static Flags show up as modified (Bold)(They did not actually change their state).
So something might just reset them directly afterwards or Arma is being Arma.

[tough cave]

is anyone getting their mods (scripts) fed into AI LLMs by others? talk about being done dirty. and the distilled code is not pretty, so nothing is being gained, not much learning going on either probably.

[dire sinew]

Do you spawn them at the correct place directly or do you move them after spawning?

[ocean needle]

snap & orient to terrain

[dire sinew]

Yes, if you just set transform after spawning, you gonna have to update colliders by broadcasting Update. Only exception is if you use SetTransform on the editable entity component if your entity is editable. Why not snap and orient the transform beforehand and pass it to spawn params?

[ocean needle]

makes total sense but uh, skill issue i guess? i didnt even think of doing that 😂

[tough cave]

Is map (keyval) being unordered somewhat new in 1.6? I saw a logging framework / mod using it, which seems odd.

[solid hearth]

I've been having weirdness lately and this might be related ty for pointing out the update

[ocean kernel]

I've had my code piped through LLMs to make it look a little different while retaining most of the functionality, published to the workshop in mods and reports about it ignored by BI

[trim aurora]

Since nothing obvious was corrected and even BI plugins behave strangely when used in mod projects, I opened a ticket in case anyone stumbles upon this issue in future. (https://feedback.bistudio.com/T195816)

[ebon escarp]

About the ECS system: it seems that every time I touch a System's file, the entire World Editor needs to unload and reload from scratch. This is very annoying and slows me down. How can I disable this, so that it only does it when I want to actually test/run the scenario?

[wanton jetty]

anyone know how to query key presses?

action manager works, but its a very cheesy way to do it.

[tough cave]

it's just how it was designed. It's enough to add your own action by name, with user-configurable bindings possibly. that's enough for most mods even ones with custom UI

[minor agate]

Its not ecs system. It seems you are referring to this as what the scripting is

[wanton jetty]

ahh okay, thank you

[minor agate]

If you want to disable auto rebuild of scripts. Then go to workbench options and disable the option that says auto rebuild scripts

[tough cave]

That's a shame. I hope BI eventually looks into some incidents. Even if they just warn people not to do certain stuff when agreeing to use the workbench. Really, I would be less offended if the people in question just repurposed a ton of code and maybe put some effort in rather than let AI companies process everything and spit out slop. It's crazy.

[restive island]

wrong channel 😄

[rustic hinge]

Hello, I need help? on a DeathInfoDisplay
I'm not a pro developer, so I'm using AI. I know it's not the best way, but I'm doing what I can.
The AI ​​told me that in version 1.6, it's no longer possible to retrieve player identities on the client side, so I'll have to work around it with a mod on the RPC server side.

Issue Summary

Our custom death-info overlay (DeathInfoDisplay.c) no longer receives valid instigator data in Arma Reforger 1.6. Whenever a player dies—whether on Workbench Tools or a dedicated dev server—the instigator APIs fail to return the killer entity/player ID, so the UI can’t display the killer name or distance. We end up showing “Enemy (0 m)” as a fallback.

Environment

Arma Reforger 1.6 (Workbench Tools + dedicated dev server)
Occurs both in single-player AI testing and multiplayer dev sessions.
Reproduction Steps

Load the mod and spawn as a player.
Allow an AI (or any opponent) to kill you.
Observe the death overlay and debug logs.
Observed Behavior

Instigator.GetInstigatorEntity() returns NULL.
Instigator.GetInstigatorPlayerID() returns 0.
SCR_InstigatorContextData.GetKillerEntity() and .GetKillerPlayerID() also return NULL / 0 (they rely on the same data).
We log instigator.GetInstigatorType() and it reports AI, but no entity/ID is provided.
UI falls back to “Enemy (0 m)” and can’t show a real name/distance.

Thank you for the replies.

[scarlet iris]

I don't think AI knows anything about 1.6 at all

[rustic hinge]

Okay, but that doesn't really help me.

[silent shard]

Don't use AI. It won't be of any help to you, and it will prevent you from learning scripting and how the API works. If you lack an understanding of programming, or how scripting in the context of game dev/ game modding works, then now is the time to start learning. It won't take you very long to understand the basics.

Are you just trying to display the name of the enemy that killed the player?

[rustic hinge]

Yes, before version 1.6 the script I had worked fine, but since the update it no longer gives me the killer's name.

[vernal hawk]

Why is this happening?

[midnight talon]

Gonna have to start prompt engineering in comments as a countermeasure 😂

or start posting nonsense articles about Enforce Script on Reddit to poison the learning data 😄

[wanton jetty]

anyone know if a websocket is possible? i dont want to mini-ddos my api with get/post

[midnight talon]

HTTP and local FS are the only available external I/O afaik

[wanton jetty]

thought so

[midnight talon]

I haven't really used it myself yet but I remember seeing it supports HTTP2 so it might be able to handle server-streaming requests

also chances are your HTTP server can handle wayyyy more concurrent requests than Reforger Servers can put out - even if your server is running 60fps and sending 100 requests per frame that's only 6kreq/sec, most async io HTTP libs/frameworks can comfortably handle 100k+ if not millions of req/sec per node on mid hardware

[red cedar]

I just feel like modding should be a passion, if you're clankermaxxing you shouldn't be modding at all.

[midnight talon]

Agreed, I guess one bright side is those mods will be breaking every update and it's highly unlikely the people doing it will stick around to maintain the AI generated slop they don't understand. Worst case AI slop imitator mods will have to wait for the original mod to update so they can run their prompt on a working version again

[red cedar]

Lmao

[red cedar]

My favorite part of ai slop are the obnoxious print statements

Or when a vanilla game system isn't set up properly, so the ai redo it in a very unoptimized way

[midnight talon]

Print("🚀 The system has started!");

[wanton jetty]

the server i/o isnt what im worried about, its the server host not liking sending that much data

[red cedar]

// MANUAL DETECTION (very optimized)

NO THE FUCK IT ISNT 😭😭

[ocean kernel]

If they had an issue with bandwidth/data they wouldn't host reforger servers

It is one of the most wasteful game servers in terms of bandwidth

[midnight talon]

Reforger RPL spam way more packets than your scripts ever will

[ocean kernel]

200 players + 2 helicopters = 1 Gbps network card maxed

[red cedar]

Hold my beer

[midnight talon]

you can host 200p servers? I always just assumed 128p was hard limit

[ocean kernel]

If you run without backend you can

So it has a lot of limitations most people won't like

But for scientific purposes it is fine

[midnight talon]

interesting to know it's capable of it even if it chewed resources

[ocean kernel]

good old 128 player conflict servers still use at least 80 TiB of bandwidth per month if they are full 24/7

[wanton jetty]

yeah i know i wouldnt be communicating with the reforger server itself, get/post with a external api for certain server data/auth purposes

[shrewd nova]

My life server used about 1.5mbit per player

Never hosted conflict or anything just thought ide share that info

Never went over 2mbit per player

[red cedar]

Isn't it quadratic?

[shrewd nova]

We hit epf limitations at about 95 players, saves wouldn’t be able to end before the next one began

[shrewd nova]

I don’t know tbh

I would just check the analytics in task manager with about 90 people and we never went above 150mbit up

[red cedar]

I could be mistaken but i believe that it really starts to use more and more bandwidth when you're filling up the last ~40 ish slots of your server

[shrewd nova]

During saves we would get spikes on download up to 100mbit but that was the ceiling for roughly 90 players

Granted there’s a lot less going on on the map than a conflict server

[red cedar]

I wouldn't know honestly, i'd like to see some proper official numbers on that

[shrewd nova]

Survival servers probably use the most with the addition of thousands of loot spawns

[midnight talon]

You can try overriding prefabs you don't care about persisting as much (say loose ground items) to only save on shutdown, it can help a lot to keep the autosave queue unclogged for more important stuff like characters and vehicles

[solid hearth]

Bandwidth wise my server maxed out @ 128 is averaging 130, maxing 210 (peaks). This is with thousands of inventory items on the map, 200 vehicles etc. It's really not as bandwidth heavy as most would think. Now if half the player population was in the same area then it'd be a different story and probably fall apart real quick.

[desert escarp]

It was not great for us

We had 100 players grouped together in the same 100m and got an insane amount of disconnecting with Replication Stalling, moving them away allowed for some more players to connect but it was un playable

[solid hearth]

Yeah, I would expect nothing less. Player count isn't the issue, density for cell replication is 🙃

[desert escarp]

A lot of our methods are not great for replication tbh, we're optimizing our codebase a bunch for replication but I truly dont know how we stop it haha

[open pier]

Having 40 people in spawn doing random things all the time really stressed the network. We were normally over 200MB/s

[desert escarp]

Honestly sucks, would love to see 128 players working in the same couple km without absolutely destroying the servers performance by playing the game itself

[open pier]

Managed to get our mass DCs lowered after a bit. Would love to be able to get 128 people in a diag server to truly see whats happening

[coarse bane]

I don't know much about networking, but how big of a difference would it make if crossplay didn't exist?

[solid hearth]

Consolephobia eh? It should make zero difference, well minus that specific player but whether they be console or pc the data going back and fourth should all be the same. There isn't anything particularly complex about it, also consoles now a days are x86-64, they're pcs on a special OS.

[coarse bane]

Not really Consolephobia, but when I think about consoles, I think about creating games on a different “engine,” and I assumed there was a synchronization problem.

[scarlet iris]

seems to be another classic case of consolephobia

[coarse bane]

He wants to convince us that there are no problems with consoles 😛

[solid hearth]

maybe in the stone ages but like I said they're basically mini pcs running on amd cpu/gpu. Only thing wrong about them is controllers

[coarse bane]

In the long term, it's cool that there's crossplay

[scarlet iris]

I play controller + mouse. the future's today.

[solid hearth]

Crossplay is neat but keep it out of most fps games. Arma is fine cause its fairly casual but other games that want to give 5 different handicaps to the controller should not have crossplay. Anyways not the channel to talk about this

[formal marten]

Has anyone actually tested how much scripting you can run in Arma Reforger before it decides to start screaming for death?

[static roost]

Hey guys, I am slowly learning like I used to in arma 3 for fun on the side, currently working into making "super soldier" mod, where I am making fun units like Juggernaut or the only other one I have so far (unnamed) but high jump and no fall damage. Super fun to mess around and make these units, but am super stuck on how to manipulate health pool for the juggernaut, I want him to have 5 times the normal health, but cannot for the life of me figure it out, any pointing in the right direction please? (also resources pointing to would be great, I try messing around on the bohemia website but never find what I need easily). Much appreciated it anyone responds!

[static roost]

ok figured that one out, have to change the max health in every hit zone lol

how about movement speed, since it doesn'et let you add movementcomponent which has the movement values, to the player.et's you can duplicate, that's my next question 😛

[midnight talon]

How tf is it possible for scripts to compile fine in WB and on DS init, but DS still crashes with compile error?

[pliant ingot]

If it's part of WB define (or any other that doesn't defined on DS) and/or wrong script module

We need full script to understand it

[midnight talon]

It's just a basic WorldSystem, the variable it can't find is initialized in the class with a default value, so very bizarre it's somehow not defined when I call it on DS from another system that executes after it like DL_LootSystem.GetInstance().lootDataReady

https://pastebin.com/FpuS47hU is the full system script, I'm referencing it in another system that has .AddExecuteAfter(DL_LootSystem, WorldSystemPoint.Frame) set so it should (and does in WB) seem to correctly depend on the other system. Everything compiles and runs perfectly fine in WB but DS just explodes when trying to compile the script 😖

    override void OnUpdate(ESystemPoint point)
    {
        if (!Replication.IsServer()) // only calculate updates on server, changes are broadcast to clients
            return;
        
        if (started)
            return;
        
        started = true;
        
        if (!DL_LootSystem.GetInstance().lootDataReady)
            DL_LootSystem.GetInstance().Event_LootCatalogsReady.Insert(ReadLootCatalogs);
        else
            GetGame().GetCallqueue().Call(ReadLootCatalogs, DL_LootSystem.GetInstance().lootData);
    }

could the fact I get this script authorization popup when running in WB be related?

[pliant ingot]

It's bug, but normal, for some reason sometimes WB thinks that loading resource is external filesystem operation like FileIO

[sleek moat]

Did I see somewhere for 1.6 something changed in how you can get a players controller or role, something like that? I'm sure i did but can't find it

[pliant ingot]

I'm referencing it in another system
How? Full script means all script, not just part

[midnight talon]

https://pastebin.com/nsvKyZ7Y is the other system consuming it that triggers compile error on DS but not in WB, L75 now as I was changing how I referenced it to see if that helped (no luck)

[pliant ingot]

404

[midnight talon]

forgot space before typing 😅 https://pastebin.com/nsvKyZ7Y

If you're trying to run it and see for yourself the whole lot is on workshop under APL https://reforger.armaplatform.com/workshop/6556901E02CC05F2-RandomizedLoadoutManager

[pliant ingot]

Looks like your DL-mod not loaded or have different version that doesn't contain this var

Your WB and DS versions for mod are matched?

[midnight talon]

Holy fuck I forgot to publish new DL version with it added so obvious now haha

Thanks Vlad!

Only just started splitting my stuff up into separate mods so didn't even cross my mind haha

[languid steeple]

hey , i use a mod for my Music radio , but the mod got a script error , i don't even know what i have to do to correct it !

can someone save me !

the error :

here is the link for the github of the mod : https://github.com/Kompoman32/Reforger-ProjectSonar/tree/main/tutorial

@graceful falcon

[graceful falcon]

Change SCR_SoundManagerEntity to SCR_SoundManagerModule like in my commit
https://github.com/Kompoman32/Reforger-ProjectSonar/commit/7937af146756cf5d4ccd1f7a38a46a114aca55f7#diff-b928096f3d95e6bd6f126d8c7e7512e8d5fe55c64ab3177ff702d165923514e0

[languid steeple]

Thx sirrrr!

[midnight talon]

anyone else get this in game modes that spawn players unarmed in latest update? not sure if game bug or just something I broke

[torn bane]

I saw one report internally about HUD failing to init like this, it is a vanilla issue and we probably need to fix it. If you have a repro feel free to report it properly

[midnight talon]

No worries, will chuck up a ticket for it once I gather a bit more info

[languid steeple]

i just finisshed to change all the script following your git, does this new maj modify all agian ?

cuz it doesn't work i have a message error about the mangementmodule !

[graceful falcon]

Maybe yes

[ocean kernel]

Did the update fix persistence crash when number of saves is >999?

Nope it is not fixed, yay

[torn bane]

No it is not

[mossy spade]

Just got the same thing in Freedom Fighters.

[lost pecan]

Did someone figure out how to "attach" the three new commander menus to a vehicle, like the command truck?

[midnight talon]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T195833 ticket for unarmed player weapon UI bug

[mossy spade]

Workaround for the UI problem until it gets fixed in 2027:

modded class SCR_WeaponInfo
{
    override protected void DisplayOnResumed()
    {
        super.DisplayOnResumed();
        
        Show(m_WeaponState && m_WeaponState.m_Weapon, UIConstants.FADE_RATE_SLOW); // Pausing hides this display thus we should show it again when it is resumed
    }
}

[fervent cedar]

not fully, it's okay.
Usually the bottleneck is elsewhere not scripting perf

[frosty sable]

Just noticed the same thing since the update

[upper fable]

thank you mate

[tough cave]

we still getting spammed for compiling scripts? thanks for the hotfix, but u taking seconds and minutes off everyone's life for something that should have never made it through 2 updates. it's probably a line of code for the assertion to be checked at all, and there's nothing we can do about it anyways.

[forest arrow]

Does anyone has a problem with SCR_TerrainHelper.SnapToTerrain()? For some reason, it doesnt work

vector transform[4];
transform[3] = position; // your vector
SCR_TerrainHelper.SnapToTerrain(transform);
position = transform[3];

    // Assign the position to those parameters

params.Transform[3] = position;

[true crag]

Hey, I'm having an issue with the Scenario Framework trigger in Arma Reforger. The idea is that units should spawn when the player enters the trigger zone, which works fine. However, when I enter the zone with a helicopter or vehicle, nothing spawns as expected, but when I leave the trigger zone in the vehicle, the units spawn unexpectedly. I've tried using the "Once" option on the trigger condition, increasing the update rate, and adding altitude-based conditions to exclude flying vehicles, but the problem persists. It seems the trigger activates on exit events or condition changes, causing unwanted spawns when leaving the area, despite the conditions meant to prevent this. How can this behavior be fixed or worked around?

Does somebody has the same problems?

[modest flame]

I made some changes to my mod and now I want to update the prefabs I use in other projects with these changes. Is there a way to automatically apply the updates so that the prefabs in the other projects are also updated? Or do I have to create a new prefab every time I make a change?

[lament oxide]

From a script perspective, is there a way to detect when a weapon is being displayed in the UI?

I tried creating a script component that ran on post init, thinking that if I always initialize the pivot ID changes early, it would show in all cases. but that didn't change the weapons in the gear menu or UI.

Long story short: I'm using scripting to dynamically move attachments pivots based on the weapon it self. It looks fine in First/Third person, but things aren't in the right place in the UI. Thoughts?

[solid hearth]

UI is a separate world if i'm not mistaken. Or well character preview

[lament oxide]

So then shouldn't a pre-init work? Or maybe I'm using the wrong type of initialization?

[molten glacier]

How do you spawn an ammo prefab like a rocket in a fired state while having it aimed at a waypoint?

[thick tinsel]

Absolute noob when it comes to scripting, however I feel I need to start. Where is a good place to start?

[pliant ingot]

Modding bootcamp videos on YT

[thick tinsel]

Thats a good idea

[forest arrow]

I have two points, vector and vector. How for second point (prefab spawn) set rotation in oposite direction from first point. Tried a lot, didnt work fine

[tulip magnet]

are you having issues with the math not working out or not finding the right methods to use to apply it

[forest arrow]

I think second one. Maybe some helper exists for it, from arma

[ocean needle]

try Math3D.DirectionAndUpMatrix maybe?

[river imp]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Category:Arma_Reforger/Modding/Scripting/Tutorials
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Category:Arma_Reforger/Modding/Scripting/Guidelines
Read all of links on these 2 pages.

[true crag]

Nobody a solution?😢

[timid citrus]

#enfusion_scenario

[stuck valve]

I tried using these simple startup settings with a vanilla map. The map saves cyclically, and with the parameter, I actually return to the server with everything I had. The problem, however, is with maps like Anizay, which apparently don't have a saveload feature, so saving doesn't start automatically.

ArmaReforgerServer.exe ^
-config "C:\Reforger\config.json" ^
-profile "C:\Reforger\profiles\server" ^
-loadSessionSave

I also noticed that unlike before, some modded equipment doesn't load correctly and it removes them. However, the inserted items and systems remain saved and reloaded.

[red cedar]

Without your code we can't help

[scarlet iris]

This is a question for #enfusion_scenario as it does not involve custom scripting

[true crag]

Thanks guys didnt know

[tulip magnet]

any way to reference collision layer / preset layer masks? I know its possible but I can't find the exact class mentioned anywhere (possibly just overengineering this since its just for a raycast /Tracer, just want an easy way to pick what layer)

hmm I don't think so 🤔 from what I can gather from the comments "GetInteractionLayer" just gets your current layer

[tulip magnet]

again I'm just trying to do a tracer on a specific collision layer (foliage) and saw other components use collision layers (and not straight up the bitmask of layers) so I thought I missed some way of displaying them

I know for the bitmasks you can just calculate them manually like in #reforger_servers message but if I can do it in a better way I want to do it like that 😅

[minor agate]

It's the EPhysicsLayerDefs enum

[tulip magnet]

thank you!

[minor agate]

What this gives you. Is a mask of that enum

[ebon escarp]

Is anyone here actually making specific, one-off missions for their own private groups? I feel like this channel is a combination of people working on big server networks or people just exploring and trying out stuff. I see lots of groups advertising themselves in #communities_arma_reforger but they all seem to be Zeus/GM-based, without any actual mission makers. I figure I'll level up faster by joining a group that has custom missions, so that I can learn from (and compete with) the people in that group who are doing the same thing. I got a lot of value, personally, from that kind of thing in Arma 3.

[dire sinew]

The problem is that Reforger doesn't have something like Eden. The next best thing is the scenario framework, but it is probably still more difficult to use. If you still want to give a try, Blackheart_Six made several tutorials for it on YouTube.

Also I think the vanilla combat ops scenarios are completely built with the framework too.

[timid citrus]

#enfusion_scenario

[scarlet iris]

The SP missions are also made with Scenario Framework. It's a very powerful and dynamic tool!

[opal loom]

Anyone could help regarding inventory catalog. For me it gets merged and i have dupe items, is ther way to make engine avoid dupes ?

[ocean kernel]

What is this kick reason?

[coarse bane]

group 1 reason 12

[ocean kernel]

Exactly, the reasons only go up to 10 in GetFullKickReason and therefore it should be <unknown> and not ""

So, where does the "" come from?

[coarse bane]

maybe is null

idk i dont script

maybe check battleye docs

[ocean needle]

in game.c OnKickedFromGame

const string format = "Kick cause code: group=%1 '%2', reason=%3 '%4'";

[coarse bane]

this one refers to stalled rpl reason 3

[midnight talon]

No that's a placeholder for the reason

[coarse bane]

[ocean kernel]

So where does the string for kick reason get zeroed?

[wanton jetty]

anyone know if its possible to parse all the resourcenames that are currently loaded with mods?

[ebon escarp]

Beautiful recommendation for Youtube, there! This is exactly what I was looking for. I'll try frequenting the scenario channel instead of here. Thank you for the recommendation!

[ocean needle]

i looked a bit more and i honestly have no idea how you got that error

maybe it came from cpp?

[pliant ingot]

server full

somehow they broke stringification of kick cause code

but 12 is server full, sometimes it happens even after join queue xD

[delicate anchor]

Alright dumb question: When placing breakpoints, what does a hollow circle with an exclamation mark mean?

[minor agate]

Invalid breakpoint

(You have not recompiled after changing a line/lines)

Or not accessible line for debugger

[delicate anchor]

Great, thank you!

[dire sinew]

Just found a very neat method for enabling colliders of gadgets in hand: InventoryItemComponent::SetTraceable. Could be useful for riot shields and what not.

[midnight talon]

I wonder if we could do that for melee weapons and have proper physics collision melee combat

[scarlet iris]

What's the best method for deleting particle effects?

[lilac sundial]

I'm considering learning scripting for Enfusion, I have VERY basic knowledge of this stuff - Any guides/starting points? 🙂

[pliant ingot]

#enfusion_scripting message

[lilac sundial]

Thanks 👍

[ocean kernel]

IK based mouse pointer steered swordfighting

Grab collision velocity and apply damage to hitzone

[midnight talon]

Reforgehau 😄

[ocean kernel]

Seems doable

I miss Trespasser

It was the first and greatest hand type game

[timid citrus]

I'm hoping to do active ragdoll physics at some point

[ivory orchid]

anyone use super grok for scripting?

[midnight talon]

LLMs don't understand Enforce Script, you'll have to train your own model if you really want it

[torn bane]

But without any scripts from our games, we do not grant permission to train on our data.

[river imp]

#enfusion_scripting message

[red cedar]

If you want to use AI to mod then i think you should simply stop modding.

I don't mean that as an insult, modding is meant to be done with passion

[scarlet iris]

I agree to a point, but I suspect AI will keep becoming more prominent in modding as time goes on. One of the MANW mod finalists was reportedly created with AI.

[red cedar]

That's fair enough Ig

I just think it's a shame

Ai in programming was kinda made just to be fast and profitable, if we start using it extensively in non profit project then i think it really is a shame

[carmine fog]

Hi all. I know some others have had issues with this and I've sent out a few messages for any assistance. Has anyone found a fix for spamming of:

SCRIPT (W): [AnimateWidget.PrepareAnimation] AnimateWidget entity instance is missing ImageWidget<0x000002B57FDFE0B0> { Name: 'Saline_icon' }.Saline_icon SCRIPT (W): [AnimateWidget.PrepareAnimation] AnimateWidget entity instance is missing ImageWidget<0x000002B57FDFE2B8> { Name: 'Morphine_icon' }.Morphine_icon

This triggers on opening storage and then spams continuously, even after closing container. It appears its looking for an animation for the Saline bag and Morphine injector. Any ideas on the best way to solve are much appreciated. Thanks

posted here also to see if any of you scripters can help - this inifinitely spams

[cobalt light]

in BaseTransiver.c there is an external in for changing the frequency resolution, is there any way to edit this?

As atm it seems to be set to 0.5MHz but should ideally be 0.2 after the changes to the radio system

[ivory orchid]

on the contrary, i can build things in blender, i can paint them, i can bring them into the tools and make them work i can even design everything else, but not everyone can do everything and ideally if people would be willing to help each other more than id of found someone to help write scripts, but everyone wants an arm and a legg that a small community cannot afford so i think its kinda counterproductive to give up, if i cant find someone than grok4 and soon grok 5 coming out does write code, which when you work 50-60 hours a week and dabble with the rest you only have so much time in a day,

[red cedar]

i guess that's fair enough, btw paying people for scripts is against TOS

[ivory orchid]

every single scripter ive met has asked for money and i refuse to pay for it

[red cedar]

I forgot that different people have different set of skills. I can't do anything in blender personally^^

[red cedar]

you're asking the wrong people then lol

[ivory orchid]

no i just havent found the right people yet. and maybe i want too much im trying to make a RP server based off the originals like sahrini and chernarus. but in a different setting with some modern touchs . so there is alot too it. AI seems to write the code and debug it but trying to peice it all together its very finicky. like intergrating it can be a pain. why i was asking if anyone had experience using Grok

[red cedar]

Well also if you approach people and ask them to write scripts for you, you'll usually be told no

It's not about "finding the right people" just that no one will be willing to spend time working on someone else's project for free, i get a few of those dms a week and I'm probably one of the world's most okayest script boy in here.

[ivory orchid]

they have to share the passion i put the adds out for the project and these are the people i get. just because people dm you weird stuff doesnt mean everyones out there doing it yknow.

[midnight talon]

That's the thing is most scripters are already tied up in projects they are passionate about. So generally speaking if you want something scripted you're gonna have to learn how to do it yourself.
There's tons of resources to learn and modders will happily help you figure stuff out if you get blocked on something, but nobody is gonna do things for you unless you get extremely lucky and find a scripter who is both available and more interested in your project than any of their own ideas

[river imp]

And it shouldn't have even been qualified for entry.

[river imp]

You've definitely been talking to the wrong people. Any actual scripter wouldn't be willing to get banned for your cause for a few bucks.

[scarlet iris]

There were no rules against it, also if the end result is a good mod, does it actually matter that AI was involved?

[river imp]

If it were a digital painting contest and I used an AI generated image would it matter?

[scarlet iris]

Yeah but it's not the same thing at all. It's a modding contest not a scripting contest right? the mod is what's important, not how it was created, unlike a digital painting contest

What I mean is, at the end of the day mods are for the enjoyment of the normal users, and I'm sure they don't really care how the mod they are playing was made as long as it works and it's a good mod

[midnight talon]

That's a fair point but also in that case if an AI generated mod wins the prize should go to whatever LLM made the mod for them, not the person who typed a prompt 😂

[river imp]

There's 0 reason someone should be able to win money in a contest if they didn't actually do the work.

Regardless, game development as a medium is art, just like film making.

And what we had was an art contest.

[fringe prairie]

Yet we don't use fortran to make mods

Or punch cards, etc.

[river imp]

Just a shame that we can use AI to create art for a money winning competition.

[fringe prairie]

Besides the point

[scarlet iris]

Let's go to the extremes and assume the person puts in zero effort, types a prompt, pastes the output into the game, it miraculously compiles without issue, and the result is a mod so strong that it beats every other entry in a competition. Does it deserve to win? That depends on what the competition is actually measuring. Who deserves the prize money? The person or the LLM that produced the work? That is a gray area for sure. It does feel unfair, we can agree on that.

All I am saying is that whether we like it or not AI scripting is here to stay and it will only get better over time meaning more and more people will do it. And there is no way anyone can prevent that. Maybe now you can look at a script and suspect it was AI generated, but in a couple of years it will have gotten so good at it that and you won't distinguish a human made script from an AI made one. and the devs insist people can't train models on their code but realistically there is absolutely no way to prevent that

[river imp]

We're entirely too off topic atm. My final thoughts on the subject though. Its a slap in the face to modders that have spent years learning scripting for someone to swoop in and win a contest by using AI.

[scarlet iris]

Are we really? this is the scripting channel after all and we are discussing scripting (AI scripting) but yes I agree with you on that.

[river imp]

I'd just rather not hear the "off topic" drama. Feel free to dm me to continue the conversation.

[solid hearth]

Going off topic in here I see

[ivory orchid]

i completely agree with everything you said and i respect the time people have put into learning scripting,
i just personally dont have as much time to restart from fresh when it comes from arma 1 days and cs1.6 everythings changed from what i see and if theres a tool that helps or if someone has experience using it i really would love the guidance.

[solid hearth]

If you learn a few real programming languages you never really have to "start fresh". You learn the key concepts and what not from them, then once you move onto something new you start to see how they blend together. It's more so true now with enfusion where as rv sqf was some ungodly pos.

[red cedar]

I love ai slop !

[timid citrus]

Gatekeeping is cool

[midnight talon]

Idk if I would equate not wanting AI slop mods flooding the workshop or people using LLMs to rip your work to gatekeeping

[timid citrus]

Sure it is.

but to each their own. Have fun with it.

I'll be busy vibe coding 😉

[midnight talon]

Nobody is trying to stop anyone from modding Arma, just trying to encourage people to do it the "right way" where they will actually understand how their mod works and not abandon it when the next Reforger update explodes their scripts and they don't know how to fix it

[timid citrus]

I'm nodding off

[midnight talon]

Like if you're a programmer and using AI as a tool then great, but that's a bit different to people using it as a substitute for actually learning it

[timid citrus]

get off my lawn

[molten glacier]

I am saying this once and moving on.

Modding is a hobby to add things to games you wished a game you loved had.

Not to go into business for yourself.

Do what you will with it and get back to work.

[timid citrus]

You can dm me. I use VSCode with github copilot plug-in

[red cedar]

I'm sure it's gatekeeping. Literally anyone can ask me how i've done something from one of my mods and i'll answer lol

There is a huge difference between thinking we're gatekeeping and choosing to say uneducated on programming and blaming it on us lol

[timid citrus]

I didn't say you had to help anybody. But saying that they should quit modding is pretty extreme.

[red cedar]

i'm saying if there is so little passion in your modding that you think relying on AI is your only way to mod, you really shouldn't.

I understand that people have differents set of skills, for instance I'm completely lost in blender and don't even try.

but if you're trying to become a "scripter" and rely on AI, i think your time would be better spent somewhere else.

i had to debug and optimize some AI produced slop, the code it write is

• unreadable
• unmaintainable
• made no sense and was reinventing the wheel.
• the console log spam are proper rage bait.

I'm not trying to shit on less skilled modders(i'm not even that good), but really this will lead to some huge server performance impact in the future and the code written by ai is literally based on stolen code.

[scarlet iris]

Maybe people aren't trying to become a scripter? Some people just want to add stuff to their gameplay and scripting is the only way to do it.

[timid citrus]

No it isn't. It's written by a millions or billions of examples that are public information on the internet.

[red cedar]

I'm completely fine with that.

I'm not fine with my code being sent through an llm

[timid citrus]

The same things that you reference, when you're coding by hand.

[red cedar]

no it isn't.

• Bohemia doesn't allow their enforce code being ran through LLMs for training.

• Mod on the workshops are the property of the modders, meaning that using someone else's code to train your AI is theft

[timid citrus]

That means that a company that is making an a I model can't use their data to train it. That doesn't mean I can't use it to research and make code for me.

I do not have the capability to train an a I model.I simply use an existing a I model that is on the commercial market.

[red cedar]

doesn't change the fact that this code was stolen in the first hand.

anyway let's not go back and forth on this subject

[timid citrus]

Then reading the bohemia docs with code examples in them is stolen code.

[red cedar]

it is

and there aren't enough examples on their website to train an ai model

[timid citrus]

I am using it fluently.

[red cedar]

uh huh

AI to get a prototype done quickly in known language is useful(ex : python, php, c++, etc)

On very specific languages like enforce, it's rarted

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903206159899578370/1223644966811730061/speed.gif

[timid citrus]

Yep, it is, but you can still do it if you figure it out, and put enough time into.

And i'm not worried about it.You will see my work in the future.

Love you.

[red cedar]

love you too man

[spark otter]

Your work, or the work of ai? O.o

[maiden goblet]

Claiming hyperbolic BS like 'all AI written code is stolen" is simply trolling. It sounds like you're trying to blame your own lack of knowledge/skill on AI models; i.e. when an AI makes "unreadable" and "unmaintainable" code, that's the AI's problem somehow, not your problem. That's absurb, because the AI is just a tool. It's like trying to blame a bad painting on the paint brush, not your own hand. Take responsibility for what you put out in the world instead of using AI as a scapegoat.

[timid citrus]

I'm the one sitting at PC giving it prompts and correcting it for thousands of hours, so that work is mine. The ai's work is its. However, you want to phrase it.I don't really care.

But I have 50k lines of compiling functional code, and it's going great, so not worried about it.

[red cedar]

when did i ever complain about my own skills lmao ??

Strawmaning competition ?

anyway i'll let you clankers have fun. cya 🫡

[polar patrol]

Sometimes when I have nothing to do, I mess around with silly stuff. Guys, check out my personal, private logic in the car.

[tulip magnet]

What mod are you making that needs 50k lines of code :o

[timid citrus]

Life rp mode

Custom game mode only one or two vanilla components left on it.I believe

[polar patrol]

nope

only 987

XDD

My longest and biggest mod is Bodycam, followed by the re-released Bodycam 1.6, because the 1.6 update broke my mod LOL

[red cedar]

silly mods are the best

[polar patrol]

thats true

[tribal verge]

What does this mean and how do I fix it?

[timid citrus]

You wait for the mod maker to update it or update it if there is already an update.

[tribal verge]

Thank you.

[fringe prairie]

Having an interesting issue where I cannot remove elements from an array on a prefab component, even though it is the original version (what it inherits from does not have this component), can't delete the component either, editing with text editor regenerates it. Going to try opening the mod on it's own and see what it does.

[lime dew]

Hello, Hope everyone is good.

I'm trying to write a user action that will only be active if the player has an item in their inventory, what is the code for checking inventory ?

Example: player can only reconfigure radio relay if they have an Encryption Device in their inventory.

I have already made the device item_EncryptionDevice_01.et

Just need the CanBePerformedScript part.

[ocean needle]

there is an implementation in one of the tutorial scripts iirc, search for GetIsEntityInUserStorage

maybe omit the Get, not at pc so cant check but its something along those lines

[lime dew]

Thanks ! Any info can go along way.

I will look into it.

[spark otter]

Thousands of hours?! You probably could have learned the language and coded it yourself without ai with that kind of time! 🤷‍♂️ But I guess you do you!

[timid citrus]

About 2k over the last year or so

And I do understand the basics of coding.I have for thirty years but I never got good at it where I could just sit down and write code. And this fits me like a glove.

[dire sinew]

Fun fact: Sundays don't exist in Arma Reforger: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T195919

[red cedar]

Why learn stuff if an llm can "do it for you"

(Ai doesn't understand replication LMAO)

[fringe prairie]

Like with anything it is a tool for mundane work, understanding is still a requirement, but there are times you'll get better support from an LLM than here (even if it takes a bit to get to the answer through questioning why things work a certain way)

[timid citrus]

Hold on to your old purist ways .I'm sure you won't get left behind.

[maiden goblet]

I've seen several people get into Reforger modding, put in a 1000+ hours, then quit when they realize it will take another 1000 to finish their project.

[dire sinew]

Something like this:
https://github.com/acemod/ACE-Anvil/blob/a48f89aba82c628c0c6c43038cde637b9ed1bedb/addons/radio/scripts/Game/ACE_Radio/UserActions/ACE_Radio_CopyKeyUserAction.c#L37

[red cedar]

A bit arrogant for someone who can't write his own scripts don't you think?

[timid citrus]

Love you boo

I'll have you know, i'm the author of several.Hello, world scripts over the last thirty years

[dire sinew]

Why all the shaming? It's a hobby, not a job. People do modding for different reasons and may enjoy doing it in different ways. Nothing wrong with that.

[timid citrus]

Good thing i'm shameless

[scarlet iris]

Agreed! 💯

[tawdry lake]

Anyone know anyone extremely proficient in c++, our best bet to fix all of this bullshit is to "rescript" the original conflict game mode and have concrete variables.

From what i can tell the main issue is the mods are calling to nonexistent variables and components bc bohemia completely rescripted the conflict game mode to create the commander conflict mode

[desert escarp]

Has anyone noticed entity spawn times are kind of insane in 1.6. Before in our gamemode when we advanced past the phase when everyone slotted we were able to spawn 70+ player characters, with gear, and vehicles with only like a 5-10 seconds delay before they populated to the actual players. As in you get sent into the player and have to wait like 5-10 seconds before seeing all the other players.

Now in 1.6 it takes upwards of 30-60 seconds

This then also extends to when they reconnect and go back into their character, it takes them around the same time to load all the characters around them again

[red cedar]

it was already like that in most servers from my experience pre 1.6

[desert escarp]

Weird, for us it was like 5-10 seconds, not bad but understandable as there's a lot to load in

Now its completely detrimental to gameplay as you get kicked and now pretty much have to wait a minute to play again and in that time you can still get shot

[red cedar]

if you noticed a sudden change after the major update then something likely changed, but some other servers already had that issue before

[desert escarp]

This was an old issue way back in 1.2.1 as well but that update was cursed

[river imp]

Are you using persistence?

[river imp]

If so, that's why this happens.

[desert escarp]

Honestly, no clue

How would you turn it off

[river imp]

Their character will spawn in regardless of them being connected.

[desert escarp]

No like reforger lobby style of characters, we dont have persistence like that

Like you pick slots, then going into the game state and all the characters spawn in for the players

Then if they disconnect we handle keeping the entity and putting the player back into it on reconnect

[river imp]

I don't know what to tell you then. If you're not using vanilla persistence then it could just be how you're hadling all of that.

[desert escarp]

How do I disable it?

Just disable the component in the base gamemode?

[trim aurora]

Hey did anyone manage to set flags on an object since 1.6, yet?
It is driving me insane, that I can not set the Relative_Y flag per script and the ticket I made will probably stay unresolved, so maybe someone knows a workaround.
Original message for reference: #enfusion_scripting message
(I also tried SetFlags, ClearFlags, but it has the same behaviour)

[midnight talon]

I have noticed since 1.6 replication seems to hang a bit after handing entity control over to player or teleporting player to a new area, things near the character take notably longer to sync in than in 1.4

[kind widget]

Yep, we’ve noticed this too

Not only characters, but vehicles and items around too

End sometimes even already spawned storages are empty for like 10 seconds

[vernal moat]

getting this at every recompile scripts, new 1.6 feature or a me problem ?

[ocean needle]

new feature, get used to it lol 😃

i have a key combo i need to press every script refresh now

shift+f7 > > enter

[timid citrus]

Ya hopefully fixed in another hotfix or 1.7 at least its annoying af

[pseudo merlin]

@timid citrus
It has been introduced in 1.5.
Just use -noThrow startup parameter to get rid of it.

[timid citrus]

Nice ty

[delicate anchor]

I'm a little confused about the relation between components and their owner entities. Is it correctly assumed that GetOwner() refers to the entity that holds the component? Or is it GetParentEntity()?

I have a reference to an SCR_EditableEntityComponent, and I want to Get the entity "root/owner" of that component. However I haven't been able to successfully retrieve that with the above methods.

What am I doing wrong here?

(owner.GetName returns nothing) <- EDIT: Hmm, I actually do see the owner on Watch. So it's just GetName that's not returning anything

[oak thorn]

could try something with owner.GetPrefabData().GetPrefabName();

@delicate anchor

[dire sinew]

GetOwner is indeed the correct method for getting the entity that has the component. GetName just returns nothing, since your entity has no name.

What Kodii suggests is how to get the resource name of the prefab of the entity

[delicate anchor]

Awesome, thank you both. I incorrectly assumed that an entity from GM would have a random name assigned.

[dire sinew]

No, you either have to set a name via SetName or when you place them in the world editor. Most entities won't have a name though.

[delicate anchor]

Understood, thank you

[ebon escarp]

How can I crack open a mod and look at the scripting inside of it? I'd love to learn from the examples of others, e.g. ACE

I hope cloning from an open source version control server (e.g. Github) isn't the only way

In Arma 3, we can just use a PBO archive app to "unzip" a mission and check the SQF files indivdiually.

[timid citrus]

Lol probably the wrong place to be asking

[scarlet iris]

This is a weird question unless I am misunderstanding. You can open any mod in workbench and look at the script/game folder in it. All the scripts will be there

[silent shard]

Mhm, you can just add the mods in question to the project menu, right click on your actual project, select "Open with Addons", and boom. Should be able to view their scripts without making your mod dependent on theirs. Additionally, ACE-Anvil does have a git repo, but you probably already knew that: https://github.com/acemod/ACE-Anvil

[ebon escarp]

This knowledge is very important for people who want to learn scripting, because we will never have exhaustive quality documentation: we always must learn from the examples of others.

[minor agate]

As said before, pipeline for Enfusion is quite different now compared to RV. You can just open any mod and see the contents within workbench.

No need to unpaxk anything and such. Its open.

[ocean needle]

might need to re-read the replication stuff but how do i for example call a server only game system function from a scripted user action?
every combo of rpc call i tried hasn't worked

[minor agate]

You have to create an rpc on an entity, component or world controller with receiver as server, then target one owned by the client usinf the action

And call the rpc from that one

Key thing here is that the client has to be the owner replication wise

Only when a client is owner, you can issue rpcs to server

You can create a component and slap it into the playercontrollee prefab

[ocean needle]

ahh ye client is not owner in my case

[minor agate]

That component then will be automatically set to be owned by the client it belongs to

[ocean needle]

nice tyvm

[rapid ferry]

I think you can skip the custom rpc right? UserAction runs for everyone including server by default if you dont override has local effect, you can just check if not server then exit function

[ocean needle]

thats what i thought too but my script invoker wasnt being invoked

[minor agate]

If all you need is to get a signal that action was wanted to be performed then yeah

But he said method so i thought perhaps he wants data or logic more complex than that

[ocean needle]

ye i need to send a rplid

[dire sinew]

ScriptedUserAction::HasLocalEffectOnlyScript should return false if you want ScriptedUserAction::PerformAction to run on the server, rather than the local client. Default is already false for ScriptedUserAction, but certain actions have it true like SCR_InventoryAction.

Also keep in mind that the entity that owns the action should have a RplComponent, as otherwise it won't be able to execute PerformAction on the server.

[ocean needle]

👌 ye checked those boxes before asking ty

[trim aurora]

Does anyone know why the System.MakeScreenshotRawData() command only screenshots the ui elements when used in the world editor and completely hides the terrain and objects? (The white outline is a building and the red outline is a ladder going up that building).

[midnight talon]

Is there any way to apply a VObject to an entity w/o actually rendering it?

I have a loot container entity and wanna apply the parent entity VObject to it so the meshes align, but don't want to actually show the copied VObject mesh, just match its parent for stuff like actions

[midnight talon]

.Show(false) seems to do nothing, deleting visible entity flag does hide the mesh but also stops actions from working 🙁

[midnight talon]

or is there any way to link an action manager component to the parent mesh or something?

[covert kestrel]

Hi. I have a prefab of the main base with a spawn point inside. How can I deactivate or activate the spawn point at a certain point?

[abstract crescent]

Has it always been required to specify the attribute in modded classes (like "[BaseContainerProps()]"), or is this new feature in 1.6?

[pliant ingot]

As I remember- yes, always

Modded class just create new class with same name and insert it after original

[midnight talon]

Yeah decorators need to be copied across to modded class otherwise they get clobbered

[abstract crescent]

oh. thx for answers. that means i never modded classes with attribute

[pliant ingot]

*Not with attribute, but that ready to be used as attribute in another container

[tulip magnet]

women neither 😮

[opal loom]

Any clue server keeps crashing because of this ?
Virtual Machine Exception

Reason: NULL pointer to instance

Class: 'SCR_FactionManagerSerializer'
Function: 'Serialize'
Stack trace:
scripts/Game/Systems/Persistence/Serializers/Entities/SCR_FactionManagerSerializer.c:50 Function Serialize

[torn bane]

Give me an actual crash report id please, should be in your logs when it crashed

[ocean needle]

are there any lsps for enforce?
i found a tree sitter plugin but no lsp

[torn bane]

Not yet, but it is on our list

[silent shard]

Can't wait to write Enforce scripts in Emacs

[scarlet iris]

can anyone help? How can I properly replicate this? It works perfectly in local testing but not on the dedicated server tool. This mod shows real time map markers for all AI on the map.

[dire sinew]

I'm sorry, but this is never going to work with this approach. It will fail for any AI outside of the replication bubble of your local client. You will have to do everything on the server and use global markers, or send the relevant data to the client so that they can update their local markers accordingly.

[scarlet iris]

Thanks for the advice!

[midnight talon]

why tf my personnel service placing the wrong prefab 🤨

Seems to be some funky RPL issue, works fine in WB local but not PeerTool

Although it doesn't happen on DS either, just when using localhost+PT in WB 😕

[solid hearth]

Ever since 1.4 I've had so many weird issues using localhost+PT that I just stopped using it altogether, it's either diag dedicated or nothing.

One of the issues I had was the peerclient was using the published version and not the project version which led to mismatch of data, only solution i found was deleting the published one from my addons folder. This is probably what's happening.

[midnight talon]

TBH I've been avoiding using WB DS Tool because I couldn't seem to get the launched Peers to detect my addons regardless of params I throw at it and it doesn't seem to have any nice/clean way to kill the DS+Peers from WB UI though I probably just missed that.
But since I've been noticing more inconsistencies between LH+PT vs DS I should probably get that figured out.
WB could really use a "command palette" global search function

Oh wait I did end up getting peers to detect addons, they just seem to never connect to DS and hang on loadscreen so maybe a port issue

[fringe prairie]

Yeah also fun fact - sometimes the peers will forcefully use a different version of a mod (example is if you have your public mod locally downloaded, somehow some way the peers will load that instead of idk, the mod from the current directory of the mod project).

[past berry]

What is the best way to get current camera position?
A: ```cs
World tmpWorld = GetGame().GetWorld();
if (!tmpWorld)
return false;

    vector cameraMat[4];
    tmpWorld.GetCurrentCamera(cameraMat);
    
    if (!cameraMat)
        return false;
        
    vector posPlayer = cameraMat[3];```
    
    B: ```cs
    CameraManager cm = GetGame().GetCameraManager();
    if (!cm)
        return false;
    
    CameraBase currentCam = cm.CurrentCamera();
    if (!currentCam)
        return false;
        
    vector posPlayer = currentCam.GetOrigin();```

[carmine fog]

Since update, With Inventory 2.0, ive had a nightmare trying to fill containers. Has anyone solved a similar issue. Could it be we now need physical containers attached to objects rather than relying on the virtual containers? In workbench I can get loot spawning inside objects but they do not work serverside. Quite a few days on this one.

[torn bane]

In theory A becaue B is specific reforger code, meanwhile A works on any enfusion game

[past berry]

thank you

I think both will work at the same speed

[torn bane]

Speed wise its hard to tell, might need to be measured, but its definetly some micro optomization not worth your time.

[tulip magnet]

great mod idea! I was thinking about it too :D

[austere crown]

do you have solution for this Scripts/Game/generated/Components/DoorComponent.c(1): error: Invalid inheritance, 'DoorComponent' must inherit from 'BaseDoorComponent'

[tulip magnet]

hi can you send your script? Did you override or create a new component

[austere crown]

@tulip magnetim send you on private and creat new component

im add you @tulip magnet

[tulip magnet]

yip yip i see you

but I think it's just that every component on the door entity has to inherit from basedoorcomp and that thats not what happened after you made a new one or smth

[deep cradle]

I'm trying to create a reinforcement system where users place spawn point entities as children under a parent entity in the World Editor hierarchy (by dragging them in the editor UI). However, when I use GetChildren() at runtime, it returns null - no children are found, even after delaying the check by 5+ seconds.

Does GetChildren() only work for children defined in the prefab's .et file structure, or should it also return entities that were added as children in the World Editor (instance hierarchy)?

If instance-parented children aren't accessible via GetChildren(), is there an alternative API to query entities that were placed as children in the World Editor hierarchy?

[delicate edge]

Has anyone was able to set up fog in multiplayer using TimeAndWeatherManagerEntity/SCR_TimeAndWeatherHandlerComponent? For me it works only in SP, peer tool and dedicated server clients don't seem to register weather changes

[delicate edge]

Nvm, found the solution - executing weather change late affects the clients as well

[desert escarp]

Whats the proper way to teleport a vehicle with players inside of it?

Would it just be updating the world transform on the auth and then broadcasting that change?

[desert escarp]

Currently getting this bug when teleporting a vehicle

It just kinda floats in the air for anyone whos not the driver

And then almost randomly it pops back up

// Teleport or transform entity
BaseGameEntity baseGameEntity = BaseGameEntity.Cast(vehicle);
if (baseGameEntity)
  baseGameEntity.Teleport(params);
else
  vehicle.SetWorldTransform(params);
            
// Reset physics to prevent unwanted movement
Physics phys = vehicle.GetPhysics();
if (phys)
{
  phys.SetVelocity(vector.Zero);
  phys.SetAngularVelocity(vector.Zero);
}

Copied the base method on teleporting vehicles

[ocean needle]

what if you try this?
SCR_CatalogEntitySpawnerComponent.c:964

physicsComponent.SetVelocity("0 -0.1 0"); // Make the entity copy the terrain properly

[desert escarp]

Still no

[ebon escarp]

This is splitting hairs and a great bait for trolling programmers, but I would do it B because it's easier to read: in A, the "Get" just gives you a reference, but the second "Get" mutated the argument you pass in, which is counterintuitive imo.

[ocean needle]

other than checking that the physics are active idk then

[desert escarp]

This even happens with

SCR_EditableEntityComponent editableEntComp = SCR_EditableEntityComponent.Cast(vehicle.FindComponent(SCR_EditableEntityComponent));
editableEntComp.SetTransform(params, false);

[desert escarp]

It weirdly also stays that height when driving so I am completely lost rn

[ocean needle]

that is weird, ik you can force that behaviour by setting the wheel radius for each wheel to be huge but i doubt thats related

i wonder if the height off the ground is the diff between its current and prev terrain Y

[desert escarp]

No clue tbh\

vector initialSpawnLocation;
SCR_WorldTools.FindEmptyTerrainPosition(initialSpawnLocation, cursorWorldPos, 10);
vector params[4];
params[3] = initialSpawnLocation;
            
SCR_EditableEntityComponent editableEntComp = SCR_EditableEntityComponent.Cast(vehicle.FindComponent(SCR_EditableEntityComponent));
editableEntComp.SetTransform(params, false);

This is literally all I do and I replicate it every time

It initially spawns in the right location then after about a second it pops up like a meter off the ground

[ocean needle]

xD happens for me too

i think the physics is getting deactivated maybe

nvm i guess

[desert escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-idk-dexter-innocent-gif-10412116

[river imp]

Why are you doing it on frame? Why not just spawn it at the "clicked" location?

[desert escarp]

That is what I do

[river imp]

"This is literally all I do and I replicate it every time"

Neverminnd

Misread that

my bad

I read "every frame" lol

[desert escarp]

Lmao

[river imp]

Try just setting the transform of the vic

Instead of the editable entity component

if that doesn't work try SCR_TerrainHelper::GetTerrainY and setting the Y of your transform to that value.

[desert escarp]

Nothing on both

Manually teleporting and broadcasting the change sends any player in the vehicle into null space

[solid hearth]

Hey I know that place, its 0,0,0

[river imp]

You don't need to broadcast the teleport, just call it on the server.

[desert escarp]

Same issue, just get sent to 0,0,0 and don't exist on my screen

[river imp]

https://discord.com/channels/105462288051380224/360677372627910656

[solid hearth]

Just by looking at the call chain on SCR_TeleportPlayerHereContextAction which is the action GM menu uses it calls SCR_Global.TeleportPlayer on every client (if its a vehicle)

[desert escarp]

Sorry just went out to go run some errands won't be back till later

[river imp]

Odd because if I call BaseGameEntity::Teleport on a vehicle full of people from the server I don't have to broadcast anything.

[solid hearth]

that's just how the GM menu does it. There's probably some weird issue with the movement component syncing properly which is leading to the issue he originally showed.

There was also some commented out code referencing that the movement component should handle it but since it was commented out i didn't bother reading it all

[desert escarp]

Ran back home to test this rq

This works

[solid hearth]

When facing a wall, dig through their code

[desert escarp]

I'm not gonna question it, I'm just gonna mind my business and tuck this into my pocket

[solid hearth]

Like I said it's probably some weird issue with movement component not syncing fully which is why they do it. Would make sense if it pops up after a second. That second would be the movement component resyncing.

[dire sinew]

First Cloudflare, now GitHub? What a day!

[open pier]

My ISP is having outages too 8^)

[ivory cobalt]

might be of use to some one here;

and Ive written a script that scrapes my json persistence .save shit from 1.6
and trims out everything except the player co-ords and their gear every server restart (in my restart scripts runs this first)
so stays below the 16mb limit

(noting this is python and to be run on server side. I run this in my start up scripts so that it purges after servers shutdown and just before it starts again)

[ocean kernel]

huh

[high hawk]

Think it's missing a script declaration for those classes, hope this helps

[pliant ingot]

Looks like game and WB versions mismatch

[torn bane]

You probably mis matched gproj of exp and stable with the other workbench

[ivory cobalt]

EDIT to above persistence trimmer; you will want "System" in essential sections too or factions are lost etc

[true haven]

If i want to test an scenario with 2 players not only one how can i do it in Tools?

[queen silo]

Hi, please find the Autocomplete plugin documentation – I hope it helps
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Script_Editor:_Autocomplete_Plugin

[torn bane]

World editor -> plugins -> Peer Tool for setup, then next to play mode on the dropdown launch with peers.

[fringe prairie]

A bit more accurately, duplicate the first working peer config, so you'll have two there. And enable/disable each config to your desire.

[ocean needle]

on that note, is there any way i can stop having my peers get kicked with a duplicate player identity error?

[restive island]

Is there a simple prefab component that manages player XP when transporting supplies/troops or is it all scripted? Looking to make it classify transporting fuel in fuel truck as gaining XP in my mod.

[scarlet iris]

SCR_XPHandlerComponent maybe?

[restive island]

I get this thingy with scr_XPhandlerComponent. The other XP component is just a enable checkbox

guess i can yolo and ignore it

[scarlet iris]

it needs to be attached to the game mode, maybe you are trying to add the component elsewhere?

[restive island]

ahhhh i see fueling support is a reward type, but not enabled o.O game mode as in I need to load an environment in viewport?

i guess that makes sense, i thought i could tie it to certain vehicles

[scarlet iris]

I mean the component needs to live in the game mode, if you add the component to any other entity it won't work at all. For example, GameMode_Base, GameMode_Campaign, etc

[tough cave]

BI should create two test world templates. one for Conflict and one with a barebones game mode. too many assumptions are made around Conflict, even in BI's own code. no one tests if their mods work more generically, which is the point of the component system in a sense. and that's what the old Arma games were about. many, many scenarios.

[river imp]

They have a bare bones world. It's called "MPTest"

[tough cave]

they have a single lego, if you can call it that.

[lofty nest]

would anyone who knows the engine a little like to help me with a project? I just need somone who can access the wrokshop i have the scripts and guide ready

[gloomy lynx]

anyone done any modding to the supply system?

specifically the logistics parts, like loading/unloading/transporting

[desert escarp]

Is there anyway to grab how large the rpl bubble of a server is?

[river imp]

If you want to test Conflict game mode create a subscene of either of the vanilla worlds that have it. Also not sure why someone needs to test to see if their mod works "generically" if they designed it to work for a specific game mode.

Depending on what you're trying to test, you may not even need to create a subscene.

[tough cave]

the status quo isn't working, and I appreciate the suggestions, but I am making a suggestion for BI to help themselves and creators out. better templates are needed, even for when they introduce new components that always seem to become a prerequisite for a bunch of other core components. in any case, I already know what is possible, and it's "trivial", but I am a advanced user with a custom game mode I created. the problem is pretty apparent when even BI's own code has components and UI that is not contained within the Conflict game mode and blocks the generic version of code they also have. it's like a weed now. and I see the same from large mod creators that seem to aim for generic code, possibly. they probably do not want to be stuck with Conflict despite how popular it is. it also seems like BI is not really using the same tools we are because they aren't annoyed by the same things like the spam screen every time you compile scripts. and if we are talking about minimalism, I doubt almost anyone is using the test runner. they may not even know it exists. I also mentioned on day 1 of the update that debug defines were broken, so dedicated server tool, servers, and workbench were running in the wrong environments. I came back days later and the devs still didn't acknowledge the problem. I realize I have to write tickets when I really want it fixed, instead of letting bigger groups maybe talk to the devs or something, but it's like a job when you have to be super detailed there. so, I hope you see how missing this (and the big assumption) is creating long-term problems, especially around mission (with test world for quick, repeatable testing) and other related testing.

[river imp]

I will say that the vanilla functionality of things definitely shouldn't require any of the vanilla game modes. There's 0 reason that default prefabs should have "game mode specific" components and such. Being that is the current case, I'd call it a design flaw.

This entire discussion has nothing to do with scripting though and should have been brought up in an appropriate channel.

[tough cave]

there's a lot of discussions like this, and it's a scripter's topic, I think. mission scripting and all that. you can reply in a thread if you think it's turning into a larger discussion, but I was talking about the issues affecting scripters and the road every (mission) scripter is on. and I was originally just putting the suggestion out there for ppl that specifically frequent this channel mainly to see, and I also made a ticket for BI about an exact issue in this vein.

[fringe prairie]

This is a good question, a quick hack I can think of (if you are dealing with entities that may or may not exist on client) is using their RplId to try to resolve the entity on the client, if it resolves, it is in distance, if not, out of distance (or deleted). But since it is a server config setting not sure how you'd get to it otherwise without an exposed helper.

[restive island]

You don't need to be super detailed with the bug reports on the BI tracker, just give enough information to duplicate/explain the bug and give screenshots. If it's a very technical bug, the more information about what you're experiencing the better.

[analog python]

Cries in log level debug

[queen silo]

end users have access to it?

[analog python]

yes sir, we use it extensively

[queen silo]

oh, then adding it
I thought you did not
(no VERBOSE though?)

[analog python]

we can use that too but we just prefer debug, looks nice in the log console

or maybe verbose is locked, I would have to double check

it works ya

[torn bane]

All of them in diag executable. workbench is diag by default. non diag DS exe can not go past normal loglevel

[queen silo]

ah, gud 2 kno thx

[mossy spade]

If it's a very technical bug, the more information about what you're experiencing the better.
The point with very technical bugs is often you need to set up a repro project to prove they actually exist, because no one is going to invest multiple hours trying to verify if the issue is even real, when you have dozens of other actionable problems in the backlog. And it's a perfectly reasonable triaging strategy.
But there's absolutely no incentive for me to invest the time required for that if the report won't be acted upon in any reasonable time. If I have a problem that's blocking my project right now, I don't care if it'll get fixed in 8 months in the 2nd major release from now. For me, that time is much better spent finding a workaround/bandaid solution right now.

The above is not a rant, but rather an explanation of why there is relatively little proper bug reports compared to amount of complaining about broken stuff in the Discord.

[analog python]

workbench is diag by default
workbench has to be started with a launch param in order to see diag, is that a bug?

oh sorry you mean workbench is a diag exe

ignore, I havent had my coffee

[torn bane]

No, loglevel is normal by default, you have to set it to something else via CLI if you need it. It costs a lot of performance to log, it can easily turn 120 fps to 1 on verbose or spam

[minor agate]

Issue with such strategy of bandaids/workaround is that usually they are hackarounds. And in many cases those get fixed (removed/blocked). So in the long term it is worse. As you open yourself to that, and if it breaks for you in that case then it stays like that. And the original issue never got resolved if no one pointed it out.

[queen silo]

Hi, I see this one did not have a lot of advertisement, so please know that Autotest Framework is documented on the wiki!
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_Reforger:Autotest_Framework

[mossy spade]

So in the long term it is worse.
Yes, it is, it also often impacts negatively code quality/performance/and so on. But there's no alternative (other than putting a project on hold indefinitely), so that's what happens organically.
And the original issue never got resolved if no one pointed it out.
Again, yes, but it impacts negatively the platform, not the modder's project (because they already have a working bandaid). And the modder priority/motivation is their project, not the platform (regardless of how noble would it be otherwise).

[minor agate]

I think you are not seeing my point

It does affect you worse, as hackarounds are fixed. And when a hack is fixed, no secondary way of doing it is provided.

as it's usually based on bugs or misusage.

So there is also no way for us to even tell you about it and what to do instead.

Only thing you would see, if lucky is a log about "Bug/Issue/API fixed/removed/changed"

Then that will happen, initial issue is also not provided because you never reported it. So your mod is truly broken for good then.

[ebon escarp]

It seems like maybe this isn't true, or that there is something you forgot to mention? Maybe there is a debug flag which must be true in order for the method to be called. I've looked at the DebugMenu doc in the BIKI, but it seems to be a completely separate concept from the DbgUI concept. I've also tried searching the chat history here but I only see people mention using it, as if it "just works".

[minor agate]

And then, you report your issue and it will take longer to provide something for.

You do not have to make a technical report

That does not help much at all

All you need is to express your idea in any way, can be a few lines

And a repro for testing your issue

Which can be a mod or so attached to it

or just explained quickly in text

There are programmers dedicated to bug and feature requests of modders now

So it is faster now.

[mossy spade]

I see what you mean, but then you're describing a very specific subset of problems (and one which I never actually ran into, so it's not really relatable to my point). Real world examples on my side are:

• hard crashes that can be worked around by deferring the call to a frame later
• bugged proto methods -> worked around by reimplementing the logic in script (slower, more code to maintain)
• bugged / opinionated / Conflict-oriented logic in generic classes -> worked around by either a lot of overrides, sometimes being forced to skip super.XXX() calls, or making a clone of the class and using it instead (poor mod interoperability, fragile on base game updates)

[minor agate]

All of those, are RELATABLE

And should be reported

if it's bugged, you make bug report

You might even do your entire logic for your system on a bug, and then fixed and your entire mod is now useless

and you have to rework everything.

We might even be able to provide a quick API that even saves you months of dev. as has happened to modders before.

If you avoid talking to us, then we can't help you

And we can't take your usage into account when updating the game/engine if you do not tell us.

[mossy spade]

hard crashes that can be worked around by deferring the call to a frame later
If you fix the underlying crash it does not make my deferred call not work anymore. It only makes my bandaid superfluous. By now (since 1.1) I probably have a bunch of bandaids in my codebase that could be removed, but again, they did not become a problem.

[minor agate]

hard crashes that can be worked around by deferring the call to a frame later
Biggest crash inducing practice

It's banned internally on A4 for example

That is why you will not have call laters and so

bugged proto methods -> worked around by reimplementing the logic in script (slower, more code to maintain)
Biggest way to cause leaks, crashes and other issues in logic as many things when done in proto are handled in CPP for a reason. And you can't see dependencies

bugged / opinionated / Conflict-oriented logic in generic classes -> worked around by either a lot of overrides, sometimes being forced to skip super.XXX() calls, or making a clone of the class and using it instead (poor mod interoperability, fragile on base game updates)
Skipping and duplicating logic, also biggest issue inducing.

As I said. Hacks