western_sahara

[snow haven]

Yeah I know. It does seem that some mitigations are starting to materialize. Hopefully the issue can be fully fixed (if it hasn't already) 😉

[hallow widget]

well, it will do what the changelog says

[snow haven]

Somehow I interpret "put on top and put to sleep" to a disabled simulation object still floating far above ground

hopefully not 🤞
But the description is ambiguous enough not to expect a complete fix for the issue

[past quartz]

Website: https://sahara.rotators.net/
Steam Store: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1681170/Arma_3_Creator_DLC_Western_Sahara/
Discord: https://discord.gg/3GVUagyjkx

[mortal raft]

“Creator DLC is brand new additional content for Arma 3, which is made by third-party developers, and published by Bohemia Interactive. Our goal with Creator DLC is to provide more original quality content to players, create an opportunity for outside talent to earn a financial reward, while also making it possible for Bohemia to invest more into the Arma series' long-term future.”
From: https://arma3.com/dlc/creator#faq

[grim dagger]

[old night]

Is this CDLC lore friendly?

[grim dagger]

Looks fancy

[drowsy fog]

[dusk veldt]

May well be

[ember bay]

Congrats on the reveal!!

[dusk veldt]

It looks to be a lot like OA, which is interesting

[wanton vortex]

can I run over the camels with a train?

[old night]

can we ride the camel, that's the question

repair the camel near bobcat

[twilit moon]

Big congratulations to the team! 🥳

[strange vapor]

what happened

[fresh wasp]

jeez, i was reading if you can run the camel over train and wondering how that would look

[wanton vortex]

it's a regular problem for trains in places like southern iraq

camels are really stupid

[grim dagger]

New CDLC was announced, if thats what you mean

[rain willow]

sadly no

unless bohemia makes rideable rabbit so camel can inherit

[strange vapor]

we got the horses mod. should be possible

[past quartz]

Yes

[twilit moon]

The camel will be a big focus. It's quite some sophisticated and fairly complex tech to get new life-forms animated, ingame and functioning properly. 🥇

[heady knot]

i can already imagine me casually gunning down mercenaries riding on a camel with an ak47

[severe junco]

Congrats to the team! ❤️

[rain willow]

wishing for ability to mount a recoiless launcher on top of the camel

[old night]

ramming speed riding a camel

[severe junco]

can't wait to ride camels.

[rain willow]

[severe junco]

[heady knot]

Btw finally some new update to the wildlife, arma 2 had plenty, arma 3 had like uhh rabbits and snakes?

[old night]

so do we need to refuel the camel near oasis or fuel truck?

[heady knot]

TOWing with the camel, russian style

[plush marlin]

I mostly want to see how fast you all manage to survive all 10 waves of Last Stand. @tall plaza, @torpid bison and myself have so far made it just to #8 😅 Good fun!

[wanton vortex]

camels make good rpg target practice

[past quartz]

https://twitter.com/dedmenmiller/status/1333785837205483524 Like this? 😄

[heady knot]

"Its an Oasis!"
"Nevermind its a mercenary compound"

[spare latch]

I feel like you missed a trick there making a giant bunny, no?

[tall plaza]

We still need to improve on that sometime 😉

[rain willow]

would be enough for some time 😛

[heady knot]

But hey atleast we can get a desert map

[reef fox]

drones with a m240 on them sick

[torpid bison]

Good fun they say i just remeber a lot of death, i mean yeah greeat

[rain willow]

Idk who's responsible for the map creation, but are there any plans to expand it size-wise? 10x10 seems to be a bit small for combined arms

[old night]

cant wait to cross the desert with bullet on my feet limping for 4-5 KM

[reef fox]

cant wait to get shot by a drone with a gun on it

[frigid axle]

All I care about is that Ion is back

[heady knot]

Cant wait to crawl past the desert because my legs are blown off by a grenade

[frigid axle]

AND FALS

[heady knot]

Fal recoil go brrr

[reef fox]

imagine they make the camels as a vehicle

[heady knot]

Prob not but hey! Mods exist

[reef fox]

they do

[dusk veldt]

I’m here for it either way

[reef fox]

i mean its not far away from realese

just 2 more months

[old night]

can we get that weaponized drone in vanilla?

[reef fox]

no

its a cdlc

[dire anvil]

How would you know that? Did they announce a date?

[heady knot]

Dude imagine just having mad infantry combat in the towns, its gonna be epic

[reef fox]

it says release date Q4 2021

[heady knot]

Technicals are gonna be my favourite vehicle added

[reef fox]

Mrashall finally got at on it

and a 60 mm mortar

[tawny panther]

Just the pictures alone make this more worth it than any official DLC, again

[dire anvil]

Atgm marshall for the win

[tawny panther]

Can't wait for release, looks super promising

[heady knot]

atgm go brrr

[dire anvil]

Right. I would guess december probably before christmas

[reef fox]

possibly

[heady knot]

Time to call in firemission on some suspicious civillians

[reef fox]

time to call drones on them

[old night]

hmm yess suspicious

[heady knot]

Sus

Sussy africanz

[dire anvil]

Really looking forward to new csat and nato camo

[robust pawn]

Now THIS looks sick

[reef fox]

im really hoping that we have a lot of players to have this dlc

its not that expansive

like sog or global

[heady knot]

Can't wait to do some recon with ghillie suits

How much is it again?

[reef fox]

7 dollars

[dire anvil]

Ghillie suits in desert?

In plain, sand desert?

[old night]

dead bush

[heady knot]

Ah k 7 bucks aint too bad

[tawny panther]

Average recon user brain moment

[heady knot]

uhh, sand ghillie suit?

Alright fine doing recon with OCP

[dire anvil]

Dang, anyone else got that cod warzone vibe when looking at the ballistic shield? How di you think that will work? Launcher slot maybe?

[heady knot]

probably on the launcher slot

[reef fox]

or an object

[tawny panther]

Backpack makes more sense

[reef fox]

possibly will be an object

[tawny panther]

Since that is a vanilla function

While making it deployable from launcher would just be more & new code for the same function

[old night]

shame some stuff would be nice to be added to vanilla arma 3

[reef fox]

yea im sad its not like an arma dlc

[formal quarry]

I already loved the Dunes terrain, this is welcome

[dire anvil]

Wonder how big the DLC is gonna be

[old night]

trailer when?

[reef fox]

when it releases

[rain willow]

someone said it will be around 5-6gbs

[pearl mountain]

hyped

[tawny panther]

Judging by previous CDLCs, it seems to be a dollar per GB

so ~7 GBs

[past quartz]

😄 Thats a nice analogy

[strong wigeon]

uh oh

[old night]

well some vehicles are just reskinned version of vanilla vehicles so not that big

[strong wigeon]

here we go

[tawny panther]

Texture files are the biggest part of a mod

[past quartz]

The size is about 5GB

[tawny panther]

Together with sounds, depending on quality ofc

[strong wigeon]

ok it has knock off UN

[reef fox]

wdym sound?

[strong wigeon]

im in

[reef fox]

its vanilla vehicles

[tawny panther]

I didn't say the CDLC will have any sounds

[strong wigeon]

i mean

[tawny panther]

I just said that sounds and textures make up the biggest amount of data usually

[strong wigeon]

there's new weapons in the pictures on the site

they need sounds

[old night]

does it have arabic ingame voice?

[tawny panther]

Also it's not only vanilla retextures vehicles

[strong wigeon]

yea

armoured SUV

[tawny panther]

Atleast one AMV was a mortar variant, and another had ATGMs with I think is new

[strong wigeon]

🤤

[tawny panther]

SUVs with armour, ZU trucks, and more

[reef fox]

theres a marhsall with at now

[little frost]

atgm/autocannon, mortar, command variants are new

[tawny panther]

Which picture shows the command variant?

Or do you have insider information? 👀

[reef fox]

i think it dosen't

there's no picture but it says there is a command variant

[strong wigeon]

GUN DRONE 🤤

[little frost]

there is a picture

[strange vapor]

they should also give that camel lots of drugs to be able to mount turrets on it. then we have some kind of 40k squiggofant

[little frost]

one of the UNA ones

it has a .50cal and a 7.62 coax

[old night]

marshall with just MG

[tawny panther]

Ah youre right

It's the UN one

sorry,UNA

[blazing ice]

Drone with a Mk200....I do hope it can actually aim well. Getting flashbacks to A2:PMC's Ka-137 with a PK being unable to hit anything beyond 200 metres.

[strong wigeon]

flatbed zamak

[old night]

UNA is the new IDAP?
i can feel the warcrime from the community, well at least UNA has armament to defend themselves

[tawny panther]

Will this UNA faction be realistic & do nothing like it's real world counterpart? 😆

[strange vapor]

you talk about literally using their guns?

[strong wigeon]

IDAP is civilian aid charity, UNA (at least from first impression) is just UN peacekeepers

[old night]

so basically IDAP with Guns

[wintry mist]

Or cops

[strong wigeon]

well

IDAP actually does things

[stiff shore]

the AMV-7 Marshal variant with atgm is fuking awesome. they could put it also in arma not dlc version 😭

[thick silo]

I mean if it’s real world UN and not meme UN, then It’ll play a big part

[static sand]

will the events of this CDLC be considered canon on the arma 3 lore?

[lilac vale]

Whos the team?

[little frost]

you'll find out when you check the credits in game 😛

[strong wigeon]

I mean pretty much all the blue helmets do is fight stalemate guerrilla conflicts with questionable efficiency

[pearl gull]

Do you people know anything about UN peacekeepers?

[strong wigeon]

Yea

[pearl gull]

You clearly know nothing

[strong wigeon]

ok so what do they actually do

[brave mantle]

This is a video game Discord. Save yourself the headache of a political and/or personal discussion gents 😅.

[pearl gull]

Fix problems created by the evil west

[vale cobalt]

offtopic

[strong wigeon]

...

ok

anyway I like the look of the command Marshall

[vale cobalt]

honestly a lot of these things in the CDLC should be vanilla, namely the cargo/flatbed zamaks and the armored offroad

[pearl gull]

Command Badger

Marshall is evil western knock off of the Denel Badger

[vale cobalt]

vanilla already sets the precedent that these should be vanilla considering we have the cargo hemtt and no equivalent for CSAT/AAF

[vale cobalt]

you mean the marshall is a copyright compliant version of the patria AMV?

[strong wigeon]

well why doesn't AAF have non-rocket SP arty then? Other factions have it so AAF should to (according to that logic)

[static sand]

Bad logic

[pearl gull]

Denel Badger

[thick silo]

I mean the Korean War I guess was a stalemate guerilla conflict

[vale cobalt]

because it'd even out the support vehicles for each side and it makes perfect sense, especially considering the rocket arty zamak was added with tanks DLC for free already

[strong wigeon]

I was thinking more about their ongoing deployments in africa

[thick silo]

Yea but UNC was the core military and strategic direction for Korea

and has done plenty of other operations worldwide

[vale cobalt]

there's no wheeled VIV transport for AAF or CSAT to my immediate recollection, but NATO has one strangely

[strong wigeon]

that was back when the US actually contributed to the UN in a meaningful way

[tranquil stratus]

Who are the creators behind Rotators Collective ?

[strong wigeon]

because different forces have different gear

not every army has everything

[thick silo]

I mean if you look at evidence and not memes the presence of peacekeepers significantly reduces the risk of renewed warfare, more peacekeeping troops leads to fewer battlefield and civilian deaths

Basically laws of war dlc

[vale cobalt]

Denel Badger is a localized SA national version of the Patria AMV

[static sand]

official theme song of the CDLC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvsR-xciOTg

[vale cobalt]

... are you telling me that some armies don't have wheeled flatbed trucks.

[strong wigeon]

yes

[pearl gull]

80% South African

[static sand]

@hallow widget you're involved in it, right?

[thick silo]

Wasn’t that recently added tho?

[past quartz]

yes he is

[static sand]

congratulations

i am very positive for its release

[hallow widget]

yes, this is my project

[static sand]

great stuff

great theme

[thick silo]

i can’t remember exactly which ones but I remember the last arma update adding flatbed vehicles

[hallow widget]

thanks

[static sand]

can you share some details on the creative background of it?

[strong wigeon]

well yes but that's not the point, point is that the UN never really keeps the peace, they just make the conflict less impactful

which is still good but not the objective

[static sand]

why the western sahara setting?

[hallow widget]

yeah, i can. but sadly not right now 🙂

[strong wigeon]

F

[hallow widget]

information is coming in from all sides, and i need to filter a little bit. sorry. 🙂

[thick silo]

They also help bring organizations to the negations table for a cease fire

[past quartz]

That was atleast a year ago

[static sand]

np

[thick silo]

Brain let me mix up the dates I guess

or I confused a mod’s update

[past quartz]

times goes fast nowadays

[vale cobalt]

contact added flatbed HEMTTs for transporting vehicles but there's no analogue for other factions (even though csat has a tempest flatbed carrying the eastwind device)

I think it was contact anyhow

[strong wigeon]

Yea but not very well, most people they are dealing with in that situation are militias/ terror groups/ generally unconventional forces, who find it alot harder to actually recognise ceasefires and peace

they're pretty good at dealing with conventional forces tho

[vale cobalt]

AAF/CSAT should have flatbed versions of their logistic trucks because it's a gap considering NATO has flatbed versions of theirs, I'm assuming Rotators Collective saw that gap and made the zamak flatbed versions, I'm just saying imo these should've been added to vanilla long ago

[lavish lynx]

This looks just in time for my work on a certain post-apocalypse faction which operates in Arizona.

I hope we can get woodland/pacific skins of the new ATGM Marshall too!

[pearl gull]

Where they have crushed various guerrilla groups while you sit in your room and watch anime

[vale cobalt]

chill out bro

[strong wigeon]

I mean, I wouldn't say having to extend a mission 47 times (like in the case of MINURSO) is 'crushed'

or 190 peacekeeper deaths in the ongoing MINUSMA mission

[vale cobalt]

this is offtopic

[strong wigeon]

yea

[pearl gull]

Where is ADF?

[strong wigeon]

oh damn they're adding a camera

finally I can be more annoying during ops

[vale cobalt]

the MG drone looks really cool

[lucid forge]

Oh man, cant wait to spam the radio channels with my favorite safe for work desert themed song, Camel By Camel

[strong wigeon]

[strong wigeon]

I mean strapping a gun to a drone is automatically gonna be cool

[static nymph]

is this set during 2035?

[static sand]

2036

[vale cobalt]

the height of the cold war...

[hollow creek]

I'm genuinely pissing myself. I love the 2030's theme.

[vale cobalt]

same

[hollow creek]

I just hope Ratators isn't the only team that's working on 2030's stuff.

[strong wigeon]

I'm not so much of a fan of the time setting but I must admit, it does look amazing

Also I'm excited to see a smaller, less funded member of CSAT

[hollow creek]

Yeah, same here. I wish they got their own desert outfit instead of just using the vanilla Iranian gear, but I don't really mind.

[thick silo]

I’m super excited for the terrain and new map assets

I’ve got an ache for desert buildings and such

[vale cobalt]

same

[thick silo]

We really only have cup stuff when it comes to deserts

so I’d love to see some arma 3 fidelity stuff

And african desert rather than middle eastern

[little jay]

2035 cdlc?

[tranquil stratus]

Yes

[hollow creek]

Yep 🙂

[little jay]

Nice

[strong wigeon]

Also, (if this is cannon) it'll be nice to see some more lore about ION

[little jay]

The only ION lore in arma 3

[thick silo]

Depending on the scope I’d love to see the buildings give us more north african maps into arma 3

[hollow creek]

I wish it got the vanilla treatment when it comes to running it on Bohemia's official servers, but I understand what they're going for regarding install sizes.

[thick silo]

this treatment is better in the way that you can choose to participate if you want

[hollow creek]

Yeah.

[thick silo]

And the compatibility will be available for this one too

So anyone not buying it can just use that and feel the same as if it was vanilla

[vestal dawn]

wait for real?

[hollow creek]

It's good stuff, but using all of the new 2030's assets in, lets say, Public Zeus wont be possible because it's CDLC.

[vestal dawn]

oh wait i think i misread

[thick silo]

there will be public zeus servers specific for this cdlc Im sure

[hollow creek]

Yeah, there normally is.

[vestal dawn]

since its only about ~5gb reportedly, the compat patch might be a lot easier to swallow for my group

[thick silo]

I think a lot more people will be accepting to it

and also

It’s only 7 bucks

[hollow creek]

Really?

[thick silo]

So your group might just buy it

[hollow creek]

This one is gonna sell good then. Low price point and the 2030's fandom is currently pissing itself.

[thick silo]

It’s worth more than 7 just for a new map

New maps with new assets don’t come every day

[vestal dawn]

its not that i dont like the other cdlcs, but they just arent practical to use in our modpack because of filsize

[thick silo]

Other cdlcs are kinda best used surrounding the theme

But this is best used wherever

[little jay]

Is it official that this cdlc wont be integrated in the main game?

[thick silo]

Yes

It’s still a cdlc

Even tho it follows the theme of the main game

[hollow creek]

It's a massive shame.

[little jay]

Would be nice if they made an exeption for this one

[thick silo]

making it integrated and official opens a Pandora’s box that’s best left shut

[little jay]

It fits arma 3 and is smaller in scope

[hollow creek]

Seeing that the install size is supposedly smaller, yeah they should.

[vestal dawn]

this tbh

[drowsy fog]

ok solution is that every Arma owner buys it and signs a peition to include it into base game

[vestal dawn]

if only for stability/security reasons lol

[drowsy fog]

problem solved

[hollow creek]

I wish Bohemia would open up a few servers for some of the modes that require the compat packs for some of the DLC, or at least this one seeing that it's smaller.

[drowsy fog]

now you folks start spreading the word

[hollow creek]

Not a bad idea actually.

[vestal dawn]

i will definitely be picking it up

[thick silo]

You can give it your best shot but I think you’ll come to a grave realization very soon 😆

[hollow creek]

Oh I know. I was just saying it wasn't a bad idea, didn't mean that I expected anything to come of it.

[thick silo]

The arma 3 community is so broad there’s no way you can get them to agree on one thing

But that’s what makes this game special

[little jay]

I guess that if they did integrate this one in the main game, future cdlcs will also want to be integrated aswell and the game will eventually be too big

[hollow creek]

I'm just hoping the servers for this one will have bigger player bases. Seeing that it's cheap and vanilla themed.

[hollow creek]

We'll probably get a big 2030's CDLC at some point, so it's a no go.

[thick silo]

if the community really wants this and to use it, there’s no real need to integrate it into the main game

Because people will naturally download it and play servers with it

[hollow creek]

What happens if another 2030's CDLC launches, we won't be able to use Sahara's content with it in official servers will we?

[little jay]

I hope we see public zeus servers with it

[hollow creek]

Yeah.

[thick silo]

Depends on the demand for that sort of thing tbh

We can’t predict that for now, because the only cdlc so far are ones meant to be used standalone

maybe if enough small 2035 cdlc come out there would be a reason to do that

There just hasn’t been a reason for combined cdlc servers yet

No ones gonna run SOG and GM usually

[hollow creek]

Yeah.

I guess we can always be optimistic, but you're right. It's too early to tell.

[haughty geyser]

i'm excited for this but from my experience official cdlc servers are usually dead on arrival or have very low population

[hollow creek]

That's what I'm worrying about. But apparently this one is pretty cheap and it's 2030's themed. So there might be a bigger audience this time around.

[sand hound]

Bro Nation with sog consistently has more than 40 people on the server

[haughty geyser]

unofficial server

[twin comet]

Hold on….are we really getting the AMOS Marshall in game finally?

Hell ya!

Also, the gun drone is fricken awsome

We really needed one

[blazing ice]

Not exactly the same as the Alpha one. It's 60mm rather than 120mm.

[thick silo]

I’ve always wanted a gun drone

Just for goofing around with

[hollow creek]

Normally people just shoot enemy recon drones, but we'll really have to stay on our toes when it comes to IDing those things.

[little jay]

I think a dune buggy would work for the terrain, i hope we see it in a update

[twin comet]

Also, ATGM armed Marshall? FINALLY!!!

[hollow creek]

Yeah, think of the post launch content with could get with this CDLC.

[twin comet]

Don’t we have the APEX LSVs through?

[tidal mortar]

you've basically already got dune buggy's in the base game with the Quillan and the Prowler.

[twin comet]

Ya that

[little jay]

Oh right

[twin comet]

My question; what year is it in the CDLC? 2030s or beyond?

Some of the weapons shown seem pretty advanced

[blazing ice]

Not really that advanced TBH. It's just building off what's already in vanilla.

[twin comet]

Man, I wished we had this stuff in vanilla. It would have made A3 closer to its original vision

[hallow widget]

good luck trying to hit this thing 😄

it's small and hard to hit. even if it's not moving.. if it's moving, you can pretty much forget about hitting it.

[thick silo]

can’t wait to do some passes with it

Just to spook people

Not really to be effective

[wooden grail]

With how small this CDLC is supposed to be, I hope they go the route of normal DLC and put the content in the base game too. The other couldn't do it because they're huge but this one will be 5gb, and I'd kill for FALs in the vanilla game

[maiden swallow]

It looks like some of the takistan buildings are in there too

would be killer to have those without having to download all of CUP

for base game + terrain makers

[thick silo]

Not hard to download the compat

[little frost]

its based on the denel designs, same for the other turrets

the amos has twin barrels, whereas this one only has one

also the caliber is different, i think the amos is 82mm, this one uses smaller shells

[maiden swallow]

easier to not have to 😉

[thick silo]

well I’m clicking subscribe won’t hurt you too much

Or buying it

[wooden grail]

It's not about that lol

[limber horizon]

DLC looks cool

[wooden grail]

Outside of sog pf the CDLCs haven't been to useful because the separation of the community made them a pain in the ass to use

[drowsy fog]

if everyone buys there wont be separation

separation is choice

[wooden grail]

since this one is tiny, it could be implemented into the base game like all the normal DLCs which would not only increase it's lifespan but make more sales as it's usefulness goes up exponentially

[tidal tulip]

well, there is also the damage values thing

[limber horizon]

I'd like to see how long that deployable shield lasts against 50 cal fire tho xD

[thick silo]

If people want to use it, they’ll buy it/ download the compat and no need to force them to

[tidal tulip]

we need a hero to normalize all damage values across vanilla, cup, rhs, gm, sog

[thick silo]

The only reason to force them to download it is to try to get them to use things they don’t want

[wooden grail]

The reason the CDLCs haven't been put in the base game is size, but this one is only 5gb, 99% of players won't even notice it, but it'll add a lot of usability

[reef salmon]

ye but BI servers tho 🥺

like zeus and warlords

[maiden swallow]

there are legitimate pros and cons both ways

it’s probably unlikely that they add it as base game stuff. But we can hope

[wooden grail]

Also one huge flaw with this line of thinking, the steam page put Art of War at 45gb

A 5b CDLC isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to what gets added during the normal game updates

[tranquil stratus]

The Steam page put all DLCs at 45 Gb IIRC

[wooden grail]

fair enough

1.5gb from further research

so not that big of a leap from Western Sahara and it would add a lot of useful content to the base game

[hollow creek]

I think it's worth a shot regarding getting BI's attention for this one.

There's pros and cons, but either way, it's worth a try.

[limber horizon]

cant be worse then iron curtain

[hollow creek]

I'm confident that this one will launch in a better state.

[limber horizon]

yea looks pretty good

Hope it also comes with a cool soundtrack

[thick silo]

Don’t put too much expectation on things like soundtracks tho

It’d be more of a pleasant addition

[limber horizon]

the atgm's on the marshall look nioce

and the mortar one is also cool

[lavish lynx]

What I can gather to be (hopefully) the biggest point of buying this cDLC: Since this seems to be designed to work alongside Vanilla assets fairly well, I'm predicting that the assets (uniforms, vests, backpacks, etc.) will not have textures that go through each other when not matched exactly with assets of the same cDLC (CSLA is the easiest example to understand what I mean)

[hollow creek]

I think I get what you mean. Sahara's assets have been designed to work properly with the vanilla stuff, yeah?

[lavish lynx]

thats it

[pine solar]

I really wish this was implemented as a standard DLC. With the other CDLCs it's like, well it's annoying that it's separate but the themes are pretty different so eh. But this is all 2035 stuff, reskins and variants of vanilla assets etc. Being able to use it as vanilla would be so much more convenient and more fitting for this DLC.

[lavish lynx]

^Then I wouldn't need to add the cDLC as a dependencey when I update my NATO Improved mod to include Desert NATO as well, lol

At least that one should just mainly be uniform changes, since the screenshots show the sand helmets and sand MX rifles, and the sand tanks

[old night]

desert camo worth getting

[lavish lynx]

Did I also see a sand-painted A-164 in the screenshots???

[little frost]

yes

[static sand]

what nation is that UNA contingent?

with the galils and lizard like camo

[lavish lynx]

I'm also eyeing some more underbarrel shotguns! I like it

[hollow creek]

No clue, probably North African or Middle Eastern though.

[stiff dove]

Why is the price so low? Why not launch at 9,99 and then discount it to 6,99. Because adding a discount of 20% now only amounts to one euro less.

[little frost]

first time i see someone arguing the price is too low 😄

[wooden grail]

It's mostly reskinned vanilla stuff, the map is smaller and only a handful of weapons are being added, it's not too content rich for a CDLC and everything being added already exists in mods such as aegis

[stiff dove]

Because development doesn't stop with these dlc when they get released.

[wooden grail]

$10 is the highest it should go tbh

[pine solar]

Actually there's no guarantee of that. The CDLCs released so far have had post-release updates, but a small DLC like this one could easily be a one-and-done.

[stiff dove]

So bis did really learn something from the Csla release.

[static sand]

i dont see all the new marshall variants in aegis

[maiden swallow]

I think from the start they have said post dlc content isn’t guaranteed

[hallow widget]

they use the english/french radio protocol. but we did not specify their origin.

[static sand]

no dissing on aegis, but this cdlc seems to bring new flavors to things we are already used to

which is not bad

[sick lotus]

high res camel alone is worth the $7

[bronze marten]

Yes 😄

[stiff dove]

I guess it has to be clarified by the creators what there future intents are. None the less I'm excited to play this.

[static sand]

so they wont have any flag on their arm?

[hallow widget]

yes

[static sand]

understood

[wooden grail]

Not exactly a herculean task, don't get me wrong it looks great. But 4 weapons and small tweaks to vanilla assets with retextures isn't exactly game changing

[static sand]

i dont think the intent is to be game changing

[wooden grail]

Hence why it's so cheap

[static sand]

yes, agreeable price

the MG only marshall is my favorite for the time being

very fitting for UN

one thing i really would like to know, will there be a praying animation?

[hallow widget]

there is one

[static sand]

i hope they also add a flying carpet

aladeen my way through sahara

[maiden swallow]

I saw camels too

underrated

[static sand]

dromedaries*

[maiden swallow]

uhhh

I’m going to stick with calling them camels

easier for my monkey brain

[pine solar]

Can I convince you compromise with "camels"

[maiden swallow]

you saw nothing

[static sand]

camels have 2 upper water titties

dromedaries have only 1 upper water titty

[grand briar]

So who are the devs for this one?

I guess Lexx is one...

[past quartz]

Lexx, Chairborne, Avery, CJ, Laxeman also did a bit I think.
if you join their discord you'll see

[severe junco]

Camels have two humps. Dromedaries have only one hump. Humps contain fat, not water. 🙂

[half thunder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dys6AKpRMCY

[tranquil stratus]

Perfect

[ruby basin]

This DLC's got me thinkin, if NATO in the timeline's poor and whatnot especially the US, why do they keep making different camouflaged drip uniforms and gear for their soldiers?

[pine solar]

Just to support this, we've been talking about it in my group for a bit and the consensus so far (i.e. including people who aren't me) is "awkward to use as an optional DLC, should've been integrated like Jets etc."

[twin comet]

Will NATO and CSAT get variants of the machine gun quad rotor drones?

[hallow widget]

they have different textures and different base loadout, yes

[twin comet]

different load outs?

warcrimes intensify

[static sand]

chairborne confirmed as CDLC asset

[twin comet]

Wait so the CUP team are doing this?

I love those guys!

[old night]

any arabic voiceover for the local npc?

or just french

[twin comet]

Wait, does the Sarhara speak French?

[hallow widget]

no new voice over like this

[hallow widget]

western part is spanish, if you go further inland, it goes into french

[twin comet]

Wait….Sahara….Sahrani…..

Why didn’t I see this connection before?

[old night]

Sahrani is in the middle of atlantic

maybe a bit right

[twin comet]

Right, but the name….I just figured out what it’s based on 11 years later

[past quartz]

no, some members of the CUP team also participated here.
But its not "made by CUP team"

[ruby basin]

CUP - West Sahara

[gentle plinth]

Already know the mod compatibility size for non-owners?

[night badger]

I'd presume nearly the same size as the cDLC: around 5gb

[dim bison]

les go

[grand stag]

I understand that the mission dev behind Callsign Minotaur's involved. Are they handling mission design for the entire dlc? I loved that mission!

[hallow widget]

yes, but the cdlc doesn't have a sp campaign in that style. we decided to focus on a bigger coop scenario (also playable in sp with ai and some other tweaks) for this project.

[grand stag]

So more along the line of Apex Protocol/Old Man then?

[hallow widget]

i think it's comparable to Old Man in a "lite" version. lite, because it's not nearly as big and complex due to the multiplayer environment

[little frost]

hold your horses camels, its just me from CUP (and avery which is an occasional contributor)

[hybrid island]

this may be a stupid question, but can the new gun drone mount any gun?

[little frost]

it has a dynamic loadout pylon for the gun so you can change it

[thick silo]

Can it only carry the m240 without modding it?

[slow thicket]

Nice, I remember doing that with DCON vehicle spawner, I could mount a M320 under the drone, very fun indeed

[hallow widget]

not every gun, but a small selection

[lavish lynx]

I'm guessing it will be most of the standard LMG/MG guns such as Mk200, MX SW, and some others?

[azure spade]

Very exciting! Happy to see Argana in ARMA officially!

[tepid rock]

ayo this new cDLC looking lit

[azure spade]

Also, it's going to be awesome when modders take some of the Soviet equipment T-55AM, BMPS, T-72s and so on and apply them to the Arganan military

[magic tundra]

Trauma after the UCP fiasco

[lavish lynx]

Ohhhhh Dmorchard...

[tranquil stratus]

Good to see ION again

[tepid rock]

This gives me a lot of Arma 2 Takistan Life vibes

[thick silo]

I mean if taking place in a desert is all you rely on

Otherwise it’s pretty fresh

Atleast that’s my opinion

I’m glad that it’s a desert map and it’s not just takistan again

[half thunder]

<insert "sand, i hate sand" meme>

[little frost]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-angry-scream-rage-no-gif-17292618

[half thunder]

but srsly, algerian desert/ neighbouring countries, the terrain is amazing.

It would be even more awesome in conjunction with higher fidelity mobility simulation for vehicles - if you couldn't just drive over any dune for example.

[hollow creek]

It's a very 'fun' looking map imo.

[magic tundra]

Oh yeah, almost forgot

BULLPUP XM8

BULLPUP XM8

[thick silo]

Unfortunately I think that’s a little much to ask for

but I’m sure some dunes will be too steep for tanks and whatnot

[half thunder]

i was just fantasizing, of course its not going to happen... nothing is too steep for ingame tanks

[hallow widget]

there is so much that could be done. some things wouldn't even be hard to do (better footprints in the sand, etc) but without engine support it gets quite hacky

[half thunder]

yeah

[meager crystal]

https://arma3.com/assets/img/post/images/arma3_dlc_creator_westernsahara_screenshot_010.jpg

Son of a mothertrucking kalashnikov WHY ARE YOU EVERYWHERE, MILLER!?!?!?!?!?

[placid widget]

I didn't even noticed that one xD

[past quartz]

Feature requests are a thing 😉

[thick silo]

Miller had to get his taste of galil

[hallow widget]

well, it also requires an artist who is skilled in particle effects, which i am sadly not :p

also what i had in mind for footprints is probably not that easy to add without new config stuff

while experimenting with it, i looked very closely at how it's done in assassins creed origins. there the footprints look very nice and real, even though they are extremely simple. they basically consist of 3 effects: 1. the actual print in the sand (gets bigger for a few seconds ("sand expanding")), 2. a small dust cloud on impact, and 3. an additional "sand sliding" decal that moves down the nearest slope

but with arma the issue is already that we can't change the footprint based on terrain surface at all

so yeah.. long story short, i thought it's too much to ask for :p

[stiff dove]

Is bis adding any new functions because of this cdlc ?

[half thunder]

doesnt sound like it

[stiff dove]

Just checking with config stuff you mean getting all the different surface textures and surface types and classifying them as sand ?

[tidal mortar]

It's not going to be the western sahara until and unless you have a technical with a BTR/BMP turret welded onto angle iron in the back of a toyota pickup truck.

https://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/battles/rebel-tank-truck-battle-in-libya/1000823853001

[hallow widget]

nah. it's hard to explain, and i'm certainly not the right person to do that. the way i understood it, certain config features will needed more than "just a bit" new code, which is a lot of work. as BI has mostly moved on to other projects, there aren't really the resources available for such things.

[stiff dove]

Ok thanks for explaining

[cold holly]

I'm pretty sure something like better support for custom footprints is in capabilities of current Arma 3 support/dev team.

Have you tried talking with Dedmen/making a ticket at feedback tracker?

[half thunder]

i cant say i have payed much attention to arma footprints... i'm not sure how others would value "new engine feature: footprints now flow in direction of terrain slope"

[hallow widget]

^ yeah, this.

i'm not blaming BI for anything, etc. etc. not even sure if we would have had the time to care about it if it would have been added

our team is very small, and for the past months we mostly focused on what we already have.

[reef salmon]

In fairness many small details don't really knowingly impact us but they're always impacting our subconscious in video games

Biggest example is the difference between level of detail in missions, with furniture, broken down vehicles, civilians, props, etc.

it'd add a little sense of satisfaction at the very least, though not very important.

[half thunder]

furniture and broken vehicles add to the environment (that you can actually hide behind)... Footprints that just have better particles are not that

[meager relic]

Hopefully such a map will have supr high FPS, like the Desert map in Arma 2. And we get a ZSU-23-2. Nice.

[hallow widget]

i guess you wouldn't really notice it in arma anyways, as you are mostly in 1st person. if arma would be a 3rd person game, that would change again. there is also another factor: performance. if we add 3 particle effects to the footsteps, that means x3 performance impact for every soldier on your screen. now granted, that doesn't sound like a lot, but it could potentially add up :p (just a random thought)

but again, i'm not an expert with particles, so ..

[half thunder]

particle system in arma is really demanding (lots of drawcalls, and GPU overdraw). If you make the muzzleflash of weapons permanent and zoom in with your rifle, your fps will drop to 10% in worst case

[lavish lynx]

Lesson: use flash hiders or supressors

[meager crystal]

[tacit breach]

dam i wish i was apart of this one

[brave mantle]

so 7usd for a map

[thick silo]

I mean clearly more than that, but you’re being disingenuous from the get go

[brave mantle]

and a reskined content got it

[lavish lynx]

7USD for a Marshall with ATGMs, think of it that way. Worth it.

I see it as a combo of A2:OA and A2:PMC in one.

[thick silo]

Yea with that attitude you’ll never understand, suggest you just ignore it and let everyone else enjoy the new content

[stable panther]

Hope the Camels will be something you can ride.

[thick silo]

unfortunately no, they function as animals like the rabbits and such

But perhaps the dbo horses person can add something later?

[stable panther]

Someone must make a mod to do so then.

[vast furnace]

finally! some 2035 content

[half thunder]

Where animals synched in MP? If not, doesnt that mean i can see a camel and a buddy is not?

[vast furnace]

the new marshall variants look amazing

my only gripe with the CDLC is that... well, its a CDLC which means loading an extra thing if you wanna use it, instead of having it in the base game

[thick silo]

Depends

If the animal was placed down in zeus or 3den

Then yes

If it’s ambient, then no

[half thunder]

with players running a hundred mods and stuff... one more thing really wont make a difference

[lavish lynx]

so what about the case of snakes opening doors? Would the door stay closed for someone else in MP, or does the door magically open?

[thick silo]

Well here’s the thing, ambient snakes can’t open doors

[half thunder]

animation sources are synched over network

[vast furnace]

eh, i guess. I get why other CDLCs are separate, as well as the other parts of contact since it wouldnt fit the game's theme, but this... I wish it was integrated from the get go

[half thunder]

they did open doors, but was patched (iirc?)

[thick silo]

The reason snakes open doors are because it’s a synched one

atleast in my experience

[lavish lynx]

I've seen it happen. At least in SOG, and I think I saw in on an r/arma post too

[thick silo]

you’re talking about sog right

Yea those were server side snakes

only those can do that

[lavish lynx]

just in 3den ill admit

[thick silo]

client side snakes can not

[half thunder]

the infamous server snakes... a most devious species

[thick silo]

The animals behave differently depending on where they come from

think of it as like uhh

Ambient vs persistent animals

Ambient being the client side ones

Persistent are placed by script, zeus, or 3den

And are server side

[vast furnace]

TLDR, arma black magic

[half thunder]

snake magic 🐍

[meager relic]

Snakes opening doors still happens.

[half thunder]

still remember when snakes bled 50 liters of blood on the ground when damaged...

[thick silo]

Usually it’s cause your zeus put it down or in SOG’s case they’re made by scripting

[meager relic]

Nah, this was in vanilla Warlords.

[thick silo]

pretty sure it has to do with the snakes ability to bite people

They have to function more like ai

[half thunder]

opening doors is done automatically when moving on object pathway LOD (e.g. in houses), so thats likely why

[thick silo]

Again arma just does weird things, this is just what I can reverse engineer from it

But back to the topic yes

Camels can be synced across clients

[half thunder]

cool, caravan simulator confirmed

[thick silo]

If they even spawn ambiently in the world there might be circumstances where they won’t be synced

But idk if they are or not

[pine solar]

Usually ambient animals that automatically spawn as "part of the terrain" won't be synced, but large animals like goats that are spawned through a module or script will be synced

[thick silo]

That’s how I assume it will be setup

[hallow widget]

it comes with it's own animal module, yes

works exactly like goats, sheep, etc

[stiff dove]

With Arma 2.08 coming out and having lasers. Are you guys thinking about adding them ? I mean having a drone with a laser on its gun flying around would be pretty scary.

[meager relic]

Already done. This will spawn a laser from the drone l2, to an object named l1.

addMissionEventHandler ["Draw3D", {
    drawLaser [
        (getPosASL l1),
        getCameraViewDirection l2,
        [1000, 0, 0], // Bright red
        [],
        8,
        30,
        -1,
        false
    ];
}];

Test this in the DEV build.

[twin comet]

Wait what? Don’t we have lasers already?

[strong wigeon]

only IR

[rocky garnet]

What kind of lazers we talkin about

Is there any new vehicles or just varients?

I think its kind of weird that ION uses the same vehicles as insurrections/rebels

[drowsy fog]

they both obtain them from local stock.

[twin comet]

What other lasers are there?

[strong wigeon]

visual

[meager crystal]

Variants. By the looks of things though most of them seem to be reasonably significant deviations from existing stuffs

[lavish lynx]

GUN DRONE

[rocky garnet]

Im all for better Marshall varients

The armored SUVs coming back or a newer version of them would be sick

[strong wigeon]

Command Marshal 🤤

[midnight remnant]

Legitimate question. Can we ride the camels?

[ashen flicker]

arabic protocols?

[steel rose]

You cannot (according to earlier comments)

[lavish lynx]

attachTo boom done you can then mount an SPG-9 on em like that too, and then ride the SPG-9

[ripe barn]

I forgot this channel exists.

[severe junco]

I will make the camel compatible with the horse mod. I can't confirm a precise date, it will be early 2022.

[dreamy bloom]

i cant find patch notes

[meager relic]

Nice Mortar Marshall: https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/1681170/ss_32693163ee433b1f3f6260176e75ad775f9c6e8b.1920x1080.jpg?t=1635253961

Drawlaser patch notes: https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/140837-development-branch-changelog/?do=findComment&comment=3446021

[thick silo]

I think French is one

but there aren’t any new protocols according to what I’ve seen

[digital dragon]

Visible light, ultraviolet, x-ray, gamma-ray

[meager relic]

Microwave.

[lavish lynx]

radio too?

[meager crystal]

https://arma3.com/assets/img/post/images/arma3_dlc_creator_westernsahara_screenshot_008.jpg

Bullpup XM8 is blursed

They have created something that at the same time, I am head over heels in love with, and detest with a burning passion. I am confused

[torn veldt]

Army of two vibess

[ripe barn]

More blessed than cursed I hope. D:

[hallow widget]

it looks awesome in first person. especially the sand color variant

[ripe barn]

It sounds awesome-er.

[hallow widget]

indeed.

[thick silo]

Sand color variants are exciting

Always love some alternate color guns to match my kit

[ripe barn]

Theres khaki too.

If you wanna use them for your Tanoan escapades.

[thick silo]

very nice

Do the new vehicles have patterns for use in greener environments aswell?

[hallow widget]

the marshall variants have the usual nato textures

[old night]

so about camel

is it spawn random in wild or we need to spawn them in

[hallow widget]

you have to place it

works like other a3 animals

[green kettle]

Hi lexx how can we get selected for the closed beta?

[strange vapor]

you had to be selected before

[meager relic]

One cool addition though is a Drone UAV with a machine gun in it. Since modern UAV drones can be large enough to carry 80 KG, this is not too far fetched.

I mean the GWD-CUSTOM2 drone today can carry 100kg, in 2036 you should be able to carry a SPMG on a drone. And 300 rounds in a belt.

[rain willow]

I hope the gun is replacable so I can put an MG3 there

[late cipher]

God

I wish not every CDLC had to be 'optional'

This is a DLC which ACTUALLY fits into the game, fully

The content is extremely based and while for others DLCs I understand due to the no compatibility with 2035, this one works perfectly

[rain willow]

yep, and along with After East Wind mod (and Aegis maybe) you have content for years

[late cipher]

Exactly, I'll buy this DLC but I will likely not be able to profit from it with friends

[rain willow]

it's just 7 bucks tho, but I understand

[thick silo]

I mean if your friend aren’t willing to download the 5 gb compatibility they wouldn’t like it being force downloaded into their arma

[late cipher]

everyone plays Prairie Fire as it's pretty much its own game

[late cipher]

Compat confirmed?

[strange vapor]

yeah i would like to see more stuff like that russia 2035 mods and so on.
thats why im on seacom 2035 atm

[late cipher]

2035 is an interesting timeline, I want to have near-future conflicts

not modern day shenanigans all the time

[strange vapor]

yeah i hope i will be able to publish my mod in less than half a year at least as a beta or smth

im also kind of in the beginning but the nations im including havent really been used in that scenario

[green kettle]

agreed theres so much cool things technology wise you can explore and implement in a near-future setting

[rain willow]

Contact might have been too futuristic

[thick silo]

Long confirmed, it says so in the description on steam

[late cipher]

I can't read sorry

[strange vapor]

i guess contact wasnt really meant to fit into the standard story.
but about this topic. how much future stuff and what of that would be ok to fit?
i was thinking a lot about this because of my mod since it will introduce SEACOM, some southeastasian blufor containing japan, korea and australia forces and im not sure how futuristic especially the special forces can be

[green kettle]

contact is the same as vanilla military-wise

diff is just they have aliens

the livonians basically use AAF vehicles

[thick silo]

The alien stuff is completely optional too

Only really meant for the singleplayer campaign

[brazen mesa]

Am I the only one who - when you look at what this DLC offers, finds it kinda lacking compared to the other DLCs?

[slow thicket]

Because it's the smallest and cheapest yet

[strange vapor]

its 7 bucks. no wonder you get less content

[thick silo]

It’s cheaper than every other content dlc

[brazen mesa]

Ahh, I didn't know the price yet - yeah 7 euro's or whatever for a mappack, variant and some weapons isn't bad

[thick silo]

You get a map, new factions, missions, new weapons, new vehicles

All for the cost of like

Less than helicopters

[strange vapor]

i want more tanks

and tracked tds

[thick silo]

It’s an absolute steal at its price

compare it to all the 10 dollar arma dlc

[strange vapor]

which one?

[thick silo]

Western Sahara

7 dollars gets you more content than any of the 10 dollar arma dlc

[strange vapor]

yeah. kind of. im mostly interested into either tank stuff or props for own mission making

[thick silo]

I mean I don’t think they’re are any new tracked vehicles

The Marshall has new variants

[strange vapor]

yeah there arent. but im not really surprised about that. as said before im working on a mod right now and i also want to add fully functional tanks with interior but thats the hardest thing in the whole model making stuff because of all that rigging needed and the tracks and so on with modules and stuff

[thick silo]

the dunes tho are definitely a great backdrop for any tank warfare

[meager relic]

And it has a new game mode.

[strange vapor]

yeah they are. dunes are awful for tank fights

[thick silo]

I wanna be rolling over dunes in the GM T55, load up the desert skin for it from the takistan add on

[strange vapor]

but im also working on ideas how to make the tank ideas i got into a decent way since it will be japanese design and they have mostly very mountainous volcanic island

[strange vapor]

yeah at least it seems like the map doesnt look like most desert maps we got yet. many of them look like low budget movie productions

[thick silo]

I love the Sahara theme immensely

[strange vapor]

i seriously prefer thos finland styled maps. temppa does a great job there

[thick silo]

There just aren’t enough african maps period

[versed isle]

This DLC looks really cool, shame it is a CDLC and not a "regular" DLC so the assets can't be easily used in eg. koth or warlords

[serene bolt]

No koth here, but kohd ! King of the dunes :D

[hallow widget]

*kotd :p

[past quartz]

There are, We just recently added custom vehicle particle effects based on terrain.
So people can do sand and snow driving effects on their sand and snow terrains.
Your thing sounds similar, we might not be able to do the sliding decal thing (don't know, maybe we can, would need to be looked at)

[past quartz]

See https://twitter.com/dedmenmiller/status/1433816749812617217

[serene bolt]

Listen i was in a car it’s complicated to type on a phone and

[drowsy fog]

dont discord and drive. safety first.

[hallow widget]

it's too late. he couldn't even finish his sentence. 😦

[twin comet]

…..so we’re getting directed energy weapons?…….what?……

[north glacier]

Reading about the shield gave me momentary hope for a handheld ballistic shield, but..

[north glacier]

was/is this a platform update? 🤔

[past quartz]

No, just lasers, not weapons

[twin comet]

Oh ok.

That’s a relief

[past quartz]

that came in a recent update, don't remember 2.0 or 2.02 or 2.04 or so

[twin comet]

I was going to say, how the hell do I dodge a friken laser beam?

[north glacier]

o, I tend to keep track of the changelog but I guess I must've missed that. Cheers, though

[hallow widget]

keep in mind that this is unrelated to the western sahara cdlc 😄

we don't have lasers

[twin comet]

Oh right, crap

[north glacier]

yet

[hallow widget]

indeed

building a laser weapon and slapping that under the drone ... it's not impossible.

[twin comet]

Ok question: Argana, what is that? I see it pop up a lot in the community.

[north glacier]

see, now you're talking sense

[twin comet]

Is it related to this DLC?

[north glacier]

Lexx, do you have any intel on the shield? I assume it's a launcher slot thing, thus my dream of a mobile ballistic shield being dead in the water desert. Would it then have protective capability while on your back?

[plush marlin]

It's in the backpack slot, you can assemble / disassemble it like a static turret. I'm still selfishly hoping @hallow widget will give us one for Last Stand flexible wave defense 😇

[twin comet]

Now that would be cool.

Instant cover!

[north glacier]

peculiar choice. But I guess it will force you to make a choice between having a shield with you and having an actual backpack.

But hey, the more ballistic shields, the better

[plush marlin]

When I playtested "Extraction", I indeed balanced my contractor team so that one of them had the shield with them, the rest backpacks with explosives and launchers. Providing overwatch fire from behind the shield can turn any barren dune into effective cover 😎

[north glacier]

Seems neat. If the shield is anything like I hope it is and the map is roughly on SOG or CSLA standards of care/furnishing, it's a pretty good buy.
Still, I need my primary weapon ballistic shield

[plush marlin]

It has a sweet deployment animation too 👌

[tranquil stratus]

Nice !

[north glacier]

oo. I hope it releases before december, otherwise I won't get to play it until january

[hallow widget]

we will probably add it to the loadout in Last Stand. :>

[tranquil mural]

Wtf are you talking about.... screw the drones I want lasers mounted on camels!

[strange vapor]

sounds kinda unrealistic to mount a laser on a camel. rather make that camel some laser shooting eyes

[tranquil mural]

My bad

[hallow widget]

everyone knows lasers belong on sharks

[twin comet]

The new map is about 100 KM right? So about the size of Western Altis (water areas included)

[near tinsel]

Just wanted to say I'm very much looking forward to this CDLC, good luck Rotators :)

[wanton vortex]

altis including water is 30km, this one is 10km

[dire anvil]

I believe altis is around 24

[wanton vortex]

you mean the landmass?

[dire anvil]

so it should be a bit less than half of altis

ye

[drowsy fog]

quarter

of altis

[rain quartz]

professional diagram worthy of pinning

[dire anvil]

damn, Picasso

[reef salmon]

it's half the size of altis

since altis is 200~ km^2 or so

[dire anvil]

Clocking-in at 270 km2

from the official arma page

[reef salmon]

o

less than half then

a third

[dire anvil]

kinda

[drowsy fog]

ok so fact check so you got stuff right in the future:

ALTIS terrain dimensions are 30.72km x 30.72km = 943,7184 km2 (square km) out of that the above sea land mass is roughly 270km2 so Altis terrain has quite a bit of area under water.

[near tinsel]

It's 15km smaller than Sahrani :)

[drowsy fog]

in case sahara is indeed 10 x 10 km it mounts up to 100km2 which would be a bit over 1/3 of altis land mass

[near tinsel]

There's also Nogova, which is exactly 100km2

[old night]

CDLC back to Nogova when?

so no Oasis in the new map?

[hollow creek]

We don't really know do we?

[wanton vortex]

only the devs and beta testers would know

[hollow creek]

Yeah.

[near tinsel]

I would honestly love to see remasters/remakes of original arma maps, preferably all in one map

Like with Malden

[lavish lynx]

Full size Chernarus+Utes+the rest of Chernarus+Takistan neighbor+somecountries that were kinda referenced once? They are all geographically close together

That was a joke, but Chernarus+Utes please lol

[near tinsel]

Exactly :)

[old night]

Sahrani 2035

[near tinsel]

:))

[hollow creek]

Malden was probably done because they didn't have to screw with the cannon too much in order to have it fit in.

[old night]

also for Argo

[pine solar]

Canon isn't the most important thing in the world for Arma

[hollow creek]

Sahrani might be a bit of an issue though.

Oh, and yeah, for Argo.

[pine solar]

IIRC Malden was because it was an anniversary

Oh now I remember, it was something one of the devs had been doing as a personal project and they were like "hey we can actually use that"

[twin comet]

Will CSAT vehicles also have UN skins?

[hallow widget]

no csat vehicles for the UNA

[twin comet]

: (

Dang, I was hoping

BTW- what nation(s) are the UN peacekeepers from?

[hallow widget]

they speak english/french, but we haven't specified the country of origin

[rocky garnet]

Are you only doing one version of the XM8 or will all of its Varients be present?

[hallow widget]

our xms rifle has different setups (grenade launcher, shotgun, lmg, "normal")

[rocky garnet]

Awesome I know the XM8 was built to be extremely modular in the field

Would love to see the sniper/PDW varients as well maybe down the road

Is the LMG varient using the Beta-C dual drum mag?

Oh wait this rifle is called the XMS

Is it based on the XM29?

[hallow widget]

no, it's a fictional variant of the xm8

it doesn't have any drum mag support due to the bullpup design. however, it comes with a new 75rnd magazine

[rocky garnet]

I say this cause the XM29 was bullpup and was the successor iirc to the XM8

Had a built in airburst grenade launcher

And I dont think the XM8 was a bullpup

[hallow widget]

the xm8 wasn't. true the xm29 came later, but i think it's ugly as hell :p

we based our rifle on the xm8, because it was featured heavily in the a2 pmc expansion

it's basically a homage

[tranquil stratus]

And that's a good idea

[tranquil peak]

is the xms in 6.5?

also honestly 10x10km is a fantastic size for a map

not every map needs to be a 420sq km monster

sometimes its OK for a map to be small and dense!

[rocky garnet]

Smol is okay as long as its packed

And theres some terrian deformations so you cant kill stuff across the map

Arma 3 really did need a desert map so im hyped

[odd remnant]

Imo, I am a bit sad that this map will be so small. I've always wanted a sahara-esc map of this quality in arma 3 with the sanddunes and all, and I'm grateful for the people who made it. However, since it's a desert map that doesnt need as much asset placement as livonia, cherno, etc., I feel like the map could be a bit bigger with just more sand dunes and villages here and there added, maybe more up to at least 20x20 km

[rocky garnet]

Ya I kind of agree I wouldnt mind more sand

How big was Takistan

[odd remnant]

12x12, i think?

[thick silo]

Apparently the size is a technical rather than creative choice

Bigger maps means the dunes won’t be able to have as much detail

[odd remnant]

ah, I see

yeah, that could also be a factor

[rocky garnet]

God cant wait for a new engine for the next arma

[twin comet]

REEEEEE- that’s one of my favorite guns!

[old night]

Arma 2 PMC vibes anyone?

[twin comet]

Yes….except we actually have a cool gun drone this time

Also: with CUP, we get the armed SUV too!

[magic tundra]

The XM8 is the successor to the XM29.

The XM29 was too heavy at the time, as well as some concerns over the lethality of the 20mm grenades (since they wanted it to be as lethal as a 40mm one in half the package, just army things...), so they planned to divide it into the rifle (XM8) and grenade launcher (XM25) components.

and once they had it all figured out they would mash them back together

[north flume]

Does this dlc have something like mike force?

And technicals

[magic tundra]

It has a few new game modes

and it do have technicals

I think extraction would probably be the closest to what you're looking for

[north flume]

Hope it will be good, i love the setting

[magic tundra]

as a coop experience

[north flume]

We’ll see how that turns out

[static sand]

you around here?!

[magic tundra]

Yus, I now have a PC that can run arma 3 at more than 15FPS

[north flume]

Playing arma on 15fps is valid

As long as you can shoot a rocket youre all good in my book

[old night]

uhh.. do this #perf_prof_branch ?

[gloomy coral]

Unless you are playing poorly optimized scenarios, arma runs fairly well.

[magic tundra]

It ran questionably at best on my old dual core Athlon XII 250

It was "playable", don't get me wrong

but I only put in like 150 hours before going back to arma 2 for a while

[upbeat trail]

Yeah no suprise there. A budget CPU that was 4 years old when Arma 3 was released.
Arma is, for what it does, fairly well optimized.
The problem is AI, the AI in Arma might be stupid but its well above what like 99% of games on the market have in terms of AI.
And that eats CPU like nothing else, so as soon as you get more then a handful AI in scenarios, performance goes down the drain with a weak CPU.

[astral ivy]

indeed, I used to bash the AI, but as time went on and I thought about it more I became more forgiving and even marvel at how it still works for most situations you put them in, either in a preset or dynamic situation

[digital dragon]

is saw this and all i could think was how much we need...
[steam store page link to a photo featured on the western sahara steam page]
https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/1681170/ss_5197e8002e06171df4f5596c2acf36bd0a8ff186.1920x1080.jpg?t=1635330159

this:
[reddit link to a photo of a finnish xa-185 modified with a musti-recoilles rifle (Essentially a finnish spg9 in function)]
https://i.redd.it/b4cr6zznuoh21.jpg

also, the magazine on that galil is seriously SWOL

[twilit moon]

It does carry that amazing vibe that perhaps only Delta Force games ever managed to carry through the screen. 🤔

[tranquil peak]

to be blunt i dont know what you're talking about, arma does not run well

[wet cedar]

this

[tranquil peak]

it's acceptable performance if you place a bunch of restrictions but the game's suffering from 20 year old technical debt, everything runs on 1 core. it is what it is

the dayz engine is pretty great for this thankfully

plus you get scripting that isn't sqf

[gloomy coral]

^

[night badger]

Arma 3 can run well, but I think it is a topic for a different chat. ( #hardware_vs_arma )

[gloomy coral]

indeed

[keen lodge]

So since this is desert themed... Whats the chance we could get prowlers with wrapped up and deployable camo nets and maybe... 50cals without the useless sniper scope attatched to it? xD

[hallow widget]

as prowlers are an apex expansion asset, the chances are very low

[digital dragon]

uhhh... for the majority, yes. What, do you expect it to do Magic? Also, we can continue this discussion at #hardware_vs_arma if you want

[rocky garnet]

Cant wait to try to armored Orca

Also theres been DLCs that added stuff for apex owners

I mean who doesnt own Apex at this point

I do feel the prowlers and jeeps would fit the desert theme so much more

An armored PMC version of the prowler would be sick

Will vehicles outside of the varients for the DLC get desert paint/camos?

[hallow widget]

there's a few selected vehicles for the sfia faction

[chilly arch]

Doubtful that you can throw on much armor without giving up the mobility that is the vehicle's raison d'etre... among official wheeled vehicles its closest analogue among official tracked vehicles would be the AWC Nyx, I believe, whose armor can be defeated by 12.7 mm rounds, much less RPGs or autocannon shells (HE included)

[rocky garnet]

Just like little plates for small arms like the Orca is getting

[chilly arch]

So basically 'gun shield'-ing equivalents or slat cages?

Vaguely remembering that when it came to the 'general purpose forces' equivalent, the Army Ground Mobility Vehicle, one of the doctrine guys said that they'd be deliberately unarmed because otherwise commanders would get the wrong idea 😬

[pine solar]

A lightly armoured Prowler variant would be pretty cool. The "Humvee" is a gap that's never quite been filled in vanilla and a Prowler with doors, a scopeless .50, and a roof would do it nicely. (And it'd be easier to do in Sahara if it was integrated like a standard DLC cough cough)

But, I'm not going to pester for it when we haven't even got the DLC yet.

[rocky garnet]

Should have been a standard DLC tbh

Fully fledge vanilla ION would have been sick

[lavish lynx]

We have the Raven vest, with this new gear, who wants to guess how long until a Raven PMC mod?

[digital dragon]

perfect, you turned a single bullet into a shotgun blast

Spalling is a thing and very dangerous

[rocky garnet]

Okay bro obv its not rated for every round

[astral ivy]

would have been awesome to get as standard DLC, but at least the price and size are not large, so it at least wont be hard on the harddrive and whenever it updates it wont take to long

[rocky garnet]

Id pay $20 for a fully fletch version of this dlc

Anyday

[astral ivy]

same

[rocky garnet]

But ya ill take what I can get for sure, def hyped

[astral ivy]

indeed

[digital dragon]

raven vest was always a thing https://armedassault.fandom.com/wiki/Raven_Vest

i would actually throw a reasonable bet on it being a lot older than a lot of the other content in arma 3

[tranquil stratus]

Aegis already has Raven PMC

[twin flax]

And y’all were saying “ahhh nobody want to have to download this bahhh”

[hollow creek]

I hope we get a full 2030's CDLC at some point, but seeing that this is the first major content drop regarding 2030's stuff that we've had since Contact, I'm super hyped.

[magic tundra]

I mean, that isn't the issue people are arguing about tho.

People are arguing that because of the file size and proximity to vanilla content they would rather have it added as a DLC to the base game (Apex style, or maybe Contact would be a better example), instead of how the cDLCs operate as separate content.

[lavish lynx]

moving forward, I think that would be a good way to go

Just wish it was done for this one

[hollow creek]

One form of opposition I've seen for them doing that is that "If one team get's their CDLC added as actual DLC, then they'll all want it."
Yeah, but one of the teams asking for that when they know they haven't created a 2030's themed CDLC or they've made something with a file size as big as your mom is stupid. They should know better.

But W-Sahara? Small file size and it's set in 2036. They might as well just do it.

[meager crystal]

Don't worry, bullpup XM8 definitely more blessed than cursed
Still blursed

[hollow creek]

It's like how I doubt that Savage Games would ask to have S.O.G included with Arma 3's install because it's not themed around Vanilla and it's a big install.

[meager crystal]

Bis be bis

[hollow creek]

We'll see what happens, but if we want it to happen, then we've gotta make a point (Without being annoying that is).

We've gotta show interest.

[drowsy fog]

Just think about it for a bit and you see why its not realistic. Lets say external developer makes a CDLC and is getting paid by the sales right. Now you incorporate it into the game and nobody has to pay for it, who pays the developer? and do the someone paying pay for the already sold some million copies?

[hollow creek]

Ah, but at the same time the exact same issue comes about even if it releases as a CDLC with a compat pack. The only difference being that the free content doesn't come with the base install.

[drowsy fog]

so there is no problem then?

[hollow creek]

I've got no clue how behind the scenes payment would work. But I'm assuming Rotators would still be payed for every purchase of W-Sahara, right?

Besides that, no I don't see any reasonable problems.

But if you also think about it, more people would be exposed to the content if it was on disk. Not everyone is going to know about the compat pack, or download it.

[lavish lynx]

It is very hard to try to convince units to use compat packs, even if you make it as simple as possible when designing missions. If you unit higher ups aren't willing to even try it, then the other people in all the groups who play arma more casually may not even be exposed to content they would otherwise enjoy

[hollow creek]

Massive install size and all, yeah no wonder trying to get a ton of people to install something worth 20gb isn't gonna happen normally.

But apparently Western Sahara is what, 7gb?

[reef salmon]

people are talking about incorporating it into vanilla as in if it were to be any other BI DLC

not for free of course.

just that it will stand by the BI DLC policy as opposed to the CDLC one

ala DLC content will be visible and working for anybody whether or not they own the DLC but they can't use any of the assets(except in passenger seat or with dlc watermarks) without the DLC, and they cannot access the terrain or the coop campaign

[hollow creek]

I know the Jets DLC isn't a CDLC, but it's a similar example.

BI sanctions another dev team to create a DLC, then it's released along side the other DLC.

[reef salmon]

tbf jets DLC I suppose got that pass because the CDLC policy wasn't established yet

[thick silo]

It’s also kind of an unfair advantage to cdlc with 2035 theming

why even make a non 2035 cdlc anymore if it’s not gonna be included in the base game and advertised to vanilla players

every single player no matter game mode or anything will see the items with a buy now popup

kinda goes against the cdlc program to give special treatment and it would alter the paths of all future cdlc

[drowsy fog]

after few 7gb non optional dlcs some people might complain too

never can please everyone

[thick silo]

and like it’s been said, if people want to see and use the content, they will

the only reason to want it base game is you’re trying to force players to like it and use it

[reef salmon]

moreso that people want more vanilla-type assets to be easily accessible

[thick silo]

if players don’t want to download 7 gb compatibility or purchase the dlc, it being force downloaded won’t satisfy them

And alternatively if players do want it, then you’ll see it used and have a player base more often

Not to mention “just 7 GB” would be tacked on to the already 18 GB of extra dlc arma 3 has

lots of players don’t own apex or contact and forcing them to always have it loaded hasn’t received tons of praise or popularity for that reason

The pop up thing is one of the most controversial changes from arma 2 to 3

[reef salmon]

I suppose you are correct in that regard, doesn't prevent my disappointment though.

[twin flax]

You’re ignorant of every vanilla player ever

“Oh no! Not 25 gigs total for a game since 2013!!” It’s a live service title time for some live service

[thick silo]

I’m sure you’re more accurate in saying that “every single vanilla player ever” wants to be forced to download content wether they want it or not

[twin flax]

You say it like getting content to a deprived game is bad. I guarantee you, if you ask any vanilla player “Do you want the CDLC to be a normal DLC” everyone would answer yes

Vanilla is a different breed from unit play, you don’t just get more content.

[thick silo]

hey I’m a vanilla player sometimes, and I say no

So instantly disproven

[twin flax]

Sometimes

Wereyou upset about art of war?

[thick silo]

I’m upset that all the dlcs aren’t optional

sometimes I just want to have installed exactly what I’m using

[twin flax]

Well thats a bad opinion

Clearly you don’t play multiplayer vanilla

[reef salmon]

having things on hand is always very useful

[thick silo]

“Bad opinion”

[strong wigeon]

why don't they add an option to remove vanilla factions when your not using them then?

wouldn't that be sooo great

[twin flax]

It is bad, it bears 0 consideration to online play

No

[thick silo]

I’d like to remove contact if I’m not using it

Apex

[twin flax]

Have either you two ever played pub Zeus? Imagine limiting an already bleeding gamemode

[reef salmon]

Also a great thing about content when it's not mods but added to baseline arma is that it's usually very efficient and non-performance impacting.

So having it loaded is almost always a plus.

[twin flax]

Exactly, giving options with minimal downsides

Dog I can fit the dlc updates on a flash drive, more storage isn’t hard

[thick silo]

Except you want to not give people the option to have the dlc or not

Not really option friendly

[twin flax]

But that’s the price of vanilla

More content actually requires content

So it’s not a downside

[thick silo]

some players don’t want to buy any dlc, why keep blowing what they already enjoy with more dlc they won’t buy

make it optional

[twin flax]

Every dlc is optional, you even said

[strong wigeon]

oh no 1 more gigabyte because of marksman so sad

[thick silo]

yea except what’s not optional, is having to always have weapons or vehicles downloaded

But being unable to use them

[twin flax]

“My computer will LITERALLY EXPLODE”

—Biwwy, probably

[thick silo]

or even uninterested in using them but they’ll always remain

[twin flax]

You underestimate how much storage you likely have

[strong wigeon]

almost every game has aspects of the game that you won't interact with, unlock or buy

[thick silo]

7 gb of something I don’t want to use currently can be 7 gb of a mod I like

[strong wigeon]

this is like saying 'remove every item that I don't want to get in Dark souls!'

[twin flax]

Exactly, I wish I could remove scenarios in Space Engineers but I understand that is the price of content

[reef salmon]

Making it optional though will make the game less user friendly, as I would want to join a server but my game is going to say "Oh, you need to have x dlcs enabled to join this server!" despite not owning them

[twin flax]

So it doesn’t bother me

[reef salmon]

A big deal about modern games is that you need to have it so you can just boot em up and play

having to restart the game, download extra content, etc. creates a bad user experience.

[twin flax]

Exactly, modifying downloads of games is a fairly new concept

[thick silo]

No it’s like saying have all the Skyrim expansions downloaded onto my pc so it can be advertised to me

Wether or not I want them

[twin flax]

More like “I have to install all these GMod addons to join a server even though I’ll likely never use them, oh well, I wanna play imp rp”

[thick silo]

yea well I can go and delete those addons later

[twin flax]

Biwwy you’re the only person here having a hissy fit over so little space

[thick silo]

This is more so

[strong wigeon]

you were saying you should be able to 'just want to have installed exactly what I’m using', you're not using that one sword so why have it in the game?

[thick silo]

Gmod addons for a server I’ll never play

[twin flax]

My micro sd can store Arma

[thick silo]

I don’t care tbh

[twin flax]

Storage isn’t out of the question

[thick silo]

It’s the principal

[twin flax]

What principal

[thick silo]

Today it’s 7gb of one cdlc