#offtopic_weapons
patent solstice
Replacing the M107 though? and are they really using the M107 as a standard platform for anti-personal at the moment?
merry pendant
no , atm they want to replace M2010 and what Marines use too
patent solstice
Ahh its just the article is written poorly then, cause it said they where replacing the M107 as well as the M2010
merry pendant
scarlet acorn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/617477629661937674/679970704787374103/IMG_20200220_094014.jpg obrez
merry pendant
thats mauser kar98k , obrez is typically a mosin nagant ๐
opaque folio
want to sell used F117 - please only serious offers :D
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32240/stripped-f-117-nighthawk-stealth-jet-listed-on-government-surplus-website
heady quest
look how they massacred my boy
sudden briar
tall plume
huh guessing that this is meant for emplacements/vehicle mounting? @sudden briar
Because thats definetly too heavy for infantry
Doubt that it has much of a chance at actually getting adopted in any way though since the BW is phasing out the MG3
tall plume
the only place I could see this actually making sense is maybe on ships, but really you could have a 50 cal in its place as well
for the BW that is
tall plume
Yeah choppers could work but I'd assume that for any new vehicles the MG5 would be used instead of the MG3
main spade
PPSH-41
tall plume
@main spade
merry pendant
this gun isnt a new thing , also more MG3 is always a good thing ๐
there was a prototype that had multiple barrels but sadly it doesnt work like minigun does
i think BW will still use MG3 but only in vehicles
merry pendant
stuck reef
A follow up on what somebody posted on the 19th regarding the Barrett MRAD
It's one of the sexier guns on the market right now, still looking at getting a few other conversions for it atm, have it only in .338 Lapua
I've had my share of smooth rifles in the past, but she blows them out of the water, even some of the ones I've built myself, it's a beautiful rifle with a nice system for shooters that enjoy shooting different ammo out of the same gun
merry pendant
its not bad looking gun but i still like the TRG M10 more
merry pendant
they do , you got latest TRGs into new M10 stocks aswell which is a great upgrade
even Tikkas which is under Sako
stuck reef
I'm a little biased since I've got the MRAD myself, but I wouldn't be opposed to getting my hands on one of those
merry pendant
you cant go wrong with that , unless you chose Remington ๐
that gone wrong badly
stuck reef
Do you have an ideal carry handgun?
I'm trying to get the opinions of more people than just my last server
merry pendant
well if i could carry ha , maybe some modern CZ or something like that
stuck reef
I've recently started carrying my sig P365 around and it's warming up on me
merry pendant
P365 aint bad but there wasnt enough testing to get rid of those firing pin issues
stuck reef
I took a break from her for a few months while I was contracting overseas and was carrying my p220 for awhile there
I'm a big Sig fan but I've been trying to branch out some more
merry pendant
you got many options nowdays , from Glock to Turkish guns ha
usually Glock 43 or 19 if you dont mind the thickness
S&W shield or MPs are good too
its just preference
stuck reef
I've got my fair share of glocks when they were just gaining traction in the military world
tight mortar
RPO I think...?
merry pendant
stuck reef
Police lockup guns are the best, cheap and don't require much work to put back together. I've bought a few parts kits for a bunch of different handguns, in the process of making some weird bastardized glock
tulip kernel
thanks @merry pendant
next night
merry pendant
tall plume
Someone call up the british army to ask if we can price match an FN 
https://youtu.be/qT435uvS0js?t=30
heady quest
why TV people in the 50-60s sound all the same?
delicate spruce
idk, it was a weird year
main spade
Because of the mid-atlantic accent people were encouraged to use for international broadcasts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent
It's not actually really any more complicated than that
scarlet acorn
the only thing that is type D and has more than one round i found https://hunter-kz.com/en/product/airguns-air-pistol-and-air-revolvers-co2-airguns/air-pistol-legends-mauser-c96-fm-989
fallow mountain
Looking through the site. Who thought of this arrow head idea? https://hunter-kz.com/en/product/archery-arrow-accessories/cheap-shot-buzz-saw-100-gr-1764
I mean, I think it sorta claims it won't down anything but vermin? Not sure what they define as "none trophy" game.
merry pendant
most likely
patent solstice
That thing looks nasty
patent solstice
Doesn't really make any difference plastic blades are a thing, Polypropylene is quite strong.
It's made of plastic
You wouldn't be saying that after getting gut shot with it ๐
scarlet acorn
Well Kevlar is a type of plastic
Tho I wouldn't like getting hit with that arrowhead
scarlet acorn
but is it humane to use
scarlet acorn
Nasty
fallow mountain
Retractable blades are not what I call nasty. They just make it easier to pull your arrow out of the kill.
I guess it depends on were you hit the animal, but if your looking strictly for a center shot. I would probably say Toxic Broadheads are your thing. They got enough meat to them that they can shatter bone.
https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/flying-arrow-toxic-broadhead
Just good luck keeping them sharpened.
Butt...if you still want some sort of retractable crazy stuff.
https://www.cabelas.com/product/Magnus-Bullhead-Broadheads/745972.uts?productVariantId=1620317&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=02548720&rid=20&ds_rl=1252079&lid=92700047214519074&ds_s_kwgid=58700000331404116&ds_e_product_group_id=294682000766&ds_e_product_store_id=&ds_e_ad_type=pla&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000000001791&ds_rl=1252079&gclid=Cj0KCQjwu6fzBRC6ARIsAJUwa2QDDBJob7q4UAS3ex-YkZIv1hIqVQO0fWylEtyJPzJqR5miI7tF48waAm58EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
Used these to lop a head off a turkey when I was younger.
Just realized I can upload pictures in this channel...
opaque folio
security: "what the hell is this?"
me: "Oh... just my cigar lighter" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhTiv5JGtD0
proven cove
uu thats cool ๐
scarlet acorn
Would some zenitco parts fit on m70s
merry pendant
eh probably not
hand guard maybe? but stock nah
imho if you want modern handgaurd on zastava , you might look into TDI one
scarlet acorn
Zstavas hanguard is longer
I was thinking also about the upper received rail
B33
I found this tho https://youtu.be/WJ2IHrRC9e0
Someone might be interested
merry pendant
railed dust cover might be okay , i didnt heard much about it zenitco one that is
but if you have a side rail , then rather use RS regulate railed mount
patent solstice
That morna thing looks like a ACR/SCAR ๐ฆ'ed an AK ๐คฎ
scarlet acorn
Ak master race
Here they are cheap as dirt to the point that adding a lot of customization and a 400โฌ scope will still make it cheaper than any ar15 style rifle here,well till Tara decides to sell it to civies
Their stuff is cool
scarlet acorn
But if I can be honest I'd like a rails on an ak
merry pendant
like i said you got many options , handguard wise its best to go mlok nowdays
merry pendant
yea for scopes , its bear on rear
front rail thing is only good for lights and other crap
tall plume
scarlet acorn
It's a zastava
It's probs hoping for the Irish Mexican guy to take it and melt it down
scarlet acorn
Cool
But I probs can't get them
Since people in Serbia can't so no domestic sale
merry pendant
https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons/playlists
new playlists for all the videos of FW
tall plume
neat
heady quest
random though from someone with no gun knowledge
is there something to prevent that my RIS grip slides away from the recoil? do they have a lock or what?
merry pendant
you mean like vertical grip?
well depends what you have , usually there should be a screw or something , tight up that thing and if comes loose then you have to use blue loctite
heady quest
yeah meant the vertical grip
didn't knew about the screw
alway though rails were just "stuck them together" like legos
merry pendant
something must hold it ๐
fallow mountain
I like the lego idea
tall plume
my new airsoft K98 bolt is set to arrive tomorrow, hopefully that will fix the extraction problem
tight mortar
You have to watch for the in-built bottle opener reveal ๐ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwOWuInX8Po
fallow mountain
So all the Archery ranges are closed.
I'm down to shooting my target from a foot in my apartment to keep my form...
glass jungle
dry firing drills ain't good with a bow xD
fallow mountain
Oh no you shoot a arrow.
Just from like a foot away from the target, so you don't miss.
merry pendant
merry pendant
fallow mountain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQG1bHugZRA
Confiscated home made poaching guns.
tall plume
Feel free to make it
tacit thorn
Heh, I can't script or build for Arma.
Even with Zeus and the creator DLC I spent at least... 10 minutes out of my 450+ hours on Arma
heady quest
so explosive they had to specify 3 times
ember idol
3 seperate HE charges
void marsh
I have a gun question..
proven cove
Shoot...
void marsh
I know its heavier and might have less spread, more drop
And it goes under the speed of sound
but does ace have ballistics that advanced?
It seemed like it but idk E
merry pendant
yes but you have to find the actual subsonic ammo in arma
void marsh
yeah thats no problem i got that
merry pendant
subsonic is quieter because it doesnt crack the supersonic speed
thus theres more drop and less range
void marsh
as i thought cool thanks
heady quest
only problem is arma, especially with handguns
so when you have to fire a silenced pistol feel free to go john wick style and spam bullets in a guy chest
I've had subsonics bounce off a boonie
void marsh
the medic system with ace really ruins killing people for me
i dump half a mag into them and they're unconcious
merry pendant
@heady quest what subsonic rounds? also pistol rounds were never designed to beat armor
merry pendant
heady quest
I think mine was either from rhs or Niarms
and a boonie hat isn't exactly armor
lethal coral
dont' forget about elite param on some of the headgear ๐
heady quest
what the hell
how could I forget about the rule of cool armor
tall plume
Thats the best measurement
merry pendant
lol
tall plume
Phew, the new Headstamp Publishing (Forgotten Weapons peeps) book has gotten 317.449 out of the 22.775 bucks they need
A little bit extra
glass jungle
probably in the works, amongst alot of others x)
merry pendant
rancid geyser
heady quest
thats hot
tall plume
Ooh nice, is that another headstamp publishing book? the style looks very similar @rancid geyser
tall plume
Neat 
main spade
Isnt GAU-8 op?
karmic canyon
no, a thermonuclear warhead would be OP
main spade
Its ok
merry pendant
oh i want that
main spade
Btw you can abuse the AH cannons by opening auto hover
main spade
Attack helicopters capable of turning their cannons so basically a unit without AA wont be a problem to u
merry pendant
karmic canyon
Oh, a gun jesus video. No matter the content, always worth watching ๐
tall plume
tall plume
torn lava
I know you wouldn't want to use this instead of a modern service rifle in the field, but it's just so hawt
(Portuguese adopted AR-10)
merry pendant
it was a great rifle but too early for its time
because the new materials werent strong enough
torn lava
Yes, but as i understand that was mostly true regarding the furnishings
regardless, not sturdy enough for a possible all out war with the USSR, so i guess i understand
but the Portuguese pattern with the integral bipod is so sexy it almost makes me cry ๐ฉ
All in all we (most of europe) probably made the right call with adopting the FAL (in all it's forms) instead
merry pendant
still they are not done :/
echo field
merry pendant
twilit nimbus
@torn lava yea the ar-10 is bae
tall plume
Now thats a reloading mechanism
And how fancy, building a replica WW1 tank https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WUYIyWW4To
heady quest
thats some wolfenstein stuff
torn lava
tough relic
Oh man would I love to own a G36
haughty hound
JGSDF Type-20 rifle has officially revealed
https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO59233910Y0A510C2000000/
https://article-image-ix.nikkei.com/https%3A%2F%2Fimgix-proxy.n8s.jp%2FDSXMZO5923389018052020PP8001-PB1-1.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress&ch=Width%2CDPR&fit=max&ixlib=java-1.2.0&s=ac49c739fe1aabbd7adcba512b0a399f
I don't know overseas could see this article/image though...
Mainichi Shimbun releases more pics
https://mainichi.jp/articles/20200518/k00/00m/040/097000c
https://cdn.mainichi.jp/vol1/2020/05/18/20200518hpj00m040040000q/9.jpg?1
https://cdn.mainichi.jp/vol1/2020/05/18/20200518hpj00m040041000q/9.jpg
https://cdn.mainichi.jp/vol1/2020/05/18/20200518hpj00m040042000q/9.jpg?1
https://cdn.mainichi.jp/vol1/2020/05/18/20200518hpj00m040043000q/9.jpg?1
https://cdn.mainichi.jp/vol1/2020/05/18/20200518hpj00m040044000q/9.jpg?1
https://cdn.mainichi.jp/vol1/2020/05/18/20200518hpj00m040047000q/9.jpg?1
olive plaza
@haughty hound I can see the images and follow the links in the UK ๐
haughty hound
๐
merry pendant
JGSDF has HK VP9s??
interesting
rifle is like a mix of scar and acr
also kudos to them to use mlok
smoky panther
Surprised more countries aren't tying themselves to the US Army's Next Gen Squad Weapon trial.. maybe they're expecting it to get destroyed by bureaucracy like other recent weapons programs ๐
or maybe the US isn't allowing it to export to allies
merry pendant
that too but i think that next gen program will most likely be delayed , because of the virus and of course the funds will be most likely used elsewhere
to be fair M4s are still great , just they are little bit outdated especially compared to what you can get nowdays
dapper kite
M4/M16 is already gonna be replaced with the M27 IAR (HK416 on steroids), and the US just started their replacement program for the M17/M18 pistols.
So not sure which further trails are currently in place ๐ค
smoky panther
Isn't the M27 IAR replacement only partial, and for the Marines?
The Marines have stopped new purchases of M4A1's, but haven't removed them from service or fully replaced them with M27's.
dapper kite
it's currently only for USMC true, but for all squad members (first only M249, after that all M16/M4)
smoky panther
They actually "kinda" reversed the replacement of the M249
They left it up to individual unit commanders to decide what to equip with.
A lot of people didn't like the idea of replacing the SAW with the M27.
dapper kite
I still don't understand it to be fair
smoky panther
As far as I've seen, the Marines are still primarily equipped with M4A1's.
and M249's
Although, my experience is strictly stateside. I don't deploy as a civilian employee.
Maybe they pass out M27's to the units that are deployed in hostile areas.
dapper kite
afaik did they only start replacement in 2017, and I doubt the USMC will simply throw away working weapons. Not to mention that H&K probably can't produce fast enough to give a brand new weapon to every marine
not to mention they're still discussing an upgrade on the ammunition (bigger rounds)
smoky panther
I doubt the USMC will simply throw away working weapons yup
SOCOM is apparently putting their next-gen SAW replacement on hold, and adding their money into the pot for the Armys NGSW
so if SOCOM replaces with the NGSW, that'll probably have a big effect in spreading it further than just the Army.
ashen bobcat
I think 5.56x45 is too light to be used for support role
merry pendant
well for squad 5.56 is quite enough but for medium range you really need the oomph
smoky panther
556 at any reasonable range that the weapon can engage and and the gunner can actually see, will kill people. Problem is that America has been fighting wars against terrorists/rebels for too long. If we fight a nation-state that actually equips their guys widely with body armor, it won't do well at medium range.
ashen bobcat
It will kill but is not good in dense vegetation or used as suppressing fire against buildings for example. It is simply too light to penetrate walls or anything beyond tissue.
smoky panther
you know what else is not good in dense vegetation or against walls?
๐ <---- eyes ๐
what we can see heavily influences what we can shoot
ashen bobcat
I really don't understand what that has to do with ballistics but whatever
glass jungle
no use shooting at smthg if you can't see it
ember coyote
ever heard about artillery?
merry pendant
inb4 x-ray guns ๐
merry pendant
@honest ruin video removed ๐
honest ruin
dang, will wait for reupload ๐
merry pendant
oh ok ๐
honest ruin
HK SCAR to FN SCAR ๐
heady quest
noob question
wouldn't having the entrance to the gas tube perpendicular to the main barrel increase recoil?
glass jungle
I mean since it's contained gas I'd say no but I'm not sure at all
Guns that have the gas tube below the barrel would have less recoil following that idea
heady quest
yeah that was my second question lol
merry pendant
i would say gas doesnt do it , but the moving parts with the gas do
merry pendant
glass jungle
mag release is such a pain, it could've been so much better
merry pendant
well its basically the same on L85/AUG , yes it could been better like on X95/MDR
tall plume
I want a K98a too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQTy0WqQhYY
tall plume
Looks like Sig Sauer is bankrupt https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig-holstein/Sig-Sauer-schliesst-Standort-Eckernfoerde,sigsauer228.html
dapper kite
They closed a single location in Germany due to stricter gun laws in Germany and lower sales in Germany. Nothing more, nothing less.
tall plume
Yeah looks like the german company of Sig Sauer is bankrupt not sig sauer overall
merry pendant
meanwhile Sig USA is growing strong , it might even more because of those "nextgen" guns
heady quest
you can tell the US has a gun problem when a gun company fails in its original country but still rocks in it
merry pendant
what do you mean?
Sig only fails in germany because of antigun ๐
HK kinda does too
they are happy that they are active outside of germany
tight mortar
Well, bear in mind that Sig USA wins a lot of federal, state and local handgun contracts but I do agree that it is a problem that the government has so many weapons @heady quest ๐
proven cove
In theory wouldnt drones be far better for air combat since there no pilot to black out in head melting manouvers
honest ruin
probably, just need to look at some of Intel's drone swarm visual performances, I doubt you could get several hundred humans to do that without any accidents.
tight mortar
Shanahan said that, at this stage, it may not use "a lot of AI" ... sounds like there'll still be a human in the loop for the drone... maybe just autonomous weapons control and flight assistance?
heady quest
don't worry brothers ace combat swarms willl arrive eventually
fallow mountain
Even if they are just remote controlled. Imagine the engineering you could apply to a combat jet without the need of a pilot in it.
I mean that could shave off millions off a project alone just replacing all the computer to human interfacing you need.
main spade
I mean that could shave off millions off a project alone just replacing all the computer to human interfacing you need.
??? The computer:human interface is still there
It's just not on the plane. It's in a shed somewhere.
merry pendant
fallow mountain
It's more the display system is a lot simpler, your not worried about helmet interfacing and such.
polar rampart
The biggest problem with unmanned aircraft is control. The Aerodynamics of a loaded aircraft doesnt change much, manned or not. its the ability to control and react fast enough to be practical that is the key issue. Without "AI" there will always be a delay caused by the limits of transmission delay and human reactions. Remotely controlled planes - especially those controlled from thousands of miles away - simply cannot react as quickly as a manned aircraft. A fact that has been borne out repeatedly with QF-4 and QF-16s. UCAVs dont make good fighters. They do - in theory at least - make good bombers and missile platforms though. Even though no one has really tested the concept past things like the Reaper.
The significant advantage is RPAS/UCAVs tend to be smaller - which means probably stealthier - and also cheaper to produce as less material and equipment is needed make them. But they are still going to cost tens of millions per unit. And they are going to cost almost if not more to develop than another conventional manned platform. While the plane may seem simpler without a pilot and systems its really not. You are recreating most of those systems on the ground. And you have the added wrinkle of creating and testing software to control it. As well as working out how to retain control in airspace filled with ECM and hi-power jamming.
Again something that can be a huge issue as shown by numerous Predator and Reaper losses.
not to mention the downing of an RQ-170 in Iran...
LOYAL WINGMAN is effectively flown or paired locally with a master aircraft near by. Either another fighter or AWACS or similar. You'd have to some up with a new AI suite of routines for an UCAV to be truly autonomous and given we can't get a robot to climb stairs reliably at the moment a fully autonomous/jam proof UCAV seems unlikely in the near future.
merry pendant
merry pendant
main spade
karmic canyon
is that the linux variant of the big oof?
ancient swan
tall plume
Now thats a beautiful collection https://www.reddit.com/r/airsoft/comments/gqwn9f/i_like_wood_i_like_ww2_and_bolt_action_rifles_i/
tall plume
It definetly does look fancy @tight mortar
(moving here to avoid the moderation drama)
talking about airsoft reminds me taht I still gotta fix the k98
tight mortar
Better picture here of me with the old group I used to run with... I'm bottom right with the M60 as the AR http://grahamecurtis.com/images/team_assist.JPG
tall plume
@worn cape I use different shops since we dont really have taht one super dominant shop here in germany, got my K98 at a small shop called something like airweapon iirc
Thats some really nice equipment @tight mortar
worn cape
yo you live in germany?
tall plume
Yep
tall plume
In regards to airsoft its okay, the laws could definetly be better but the ones at the moment can be lived with
There's definetly countries with worse laws
worn cape
what are the laws or what do they stop you from doing
tight mortar
New York City where I live for example @tall plume ๐ญ
worn cape
rip im in ohio
tall plume
Sorry I was afk for a bit, @worn cape the worst law is propably that full auto guns cant be over 0.5 joules
@tight mortar What are your laws like?
tight mortar
Airsoft weapons are basically illegal in NYC ๐คฆ
tall plume
worn cape
that sucks
tall plume
New InRangeTV video about the G36 sight
Nice to see some coverage of this horrible sight
patent solstice
God that thing is awful looking
merry pendant
the looks arent the issue but the red dot isnt that good and the thing if it breaks you cant simply replace it but the idea is still fine to this day
merry pendant
this was cool but when DCL came in this is kinda ehh
while it can be fine with medium machine guns but its kinda small for heavy
not to mention its very expensive for that price you can get way better optics
patent solstice
the looks arent the issue but the red dot isnt that good and the thing if it breaks you cant simply replace it but the idea is still fine to this day
@merry pendant
Surely all that chunkyness is really bad for perioral vision above and to the sides especially when using the magnified optic
merry pendant
for modern standards yes , which in the 90s wasnt the issue ๐
it can be that whole inaccuracy thing is because of the bad optics/mounting , which newer G36s are way better
heady quest
the g36 built in optic seems annoying to look into
is that a wrong assumption?
merry pendant
no , 3x optic is fine even tho eyebox is small but the red dot portion is just bad ha
but that is replaced by newer Hensoldt optics
patent solstice
still i cant imagine having a brick ontop your gun is great for peripheral vision when the scope is up to your eye, and it doesn't look like they have much eye relief
merry pendant
that idea was way ahead of its time but they did it wrong since it was new method
todays equivalent is for example m27's SDO
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/--vaJWR6k6Yk/TnOpEOPE3ZI/AAAAAAAAAO8/qpAnGTgv-ks/s1600/m27+astan.jpg
and latest G36 in BW army
patent solstice
Still a little chunky but much better
Mini RDS is the way to go although I can imagine they are quite flimsy
merry pendant
their new red dot is quite small , most of that housing is for protection
vapid jasper
was this guy ever planned for arma3?
fluid isle
Don't even know what that is ๐ค
but that looks very super-shadery
vapid jasper
tall plume
I feel like I've seen it before
haughty hound
It was. A cut weapon
vapid jasper
i see
fluid isle
yeah
vapid jasper
same as the m4?
vapid jasper
no, the m4 benneli
haughty hound
fluid isle
yeah, but there's only so much time to invest
haughty hound
I knew M4A1 was a thing for Apex
fluid isle
don't know why not pushed, i guess just time
vapid jasper
we've only recently seen a shotgun being introduced in the contact dlc
and that's only a really fast burst aswell, if i understood things right
fluid isle
yeah we got new engine features for better shotgun support
merry pendant
KSG-12 pump action
haughty hound
There must be a reason that fancy things were cut into actual game
merry pendant
it was cut because of no after fire anims ha
merry pendant
ye no pumping
vapid jasper
yeah, but it couldve been implemented with a reload-mechanic
but that wouldve been really non-standard
haughty hound
Maybe we can do something if we have EHs for weapons now? Isn't it a thing today?
vapid jasper
well, DayZ has shotguns, lets hope arma 4 will
fired EH
yeah
firedMan more specificly
fluid isle
we have reload/reloaded EH's yes
merry pendant
dayz has actual engine supported anims and other stuff too
haughty hound
I mean no. CfgWeapons EH
merry pendant
ammo counting too
vapid jasper
i see, i dont know about cfgWeapons
tight mortar
CUP Weapons has a couple of shotguns including the AA-12, CZ-584 (shotgun hybrid), M1014 (completely new version), and SPAS-12 ... Just a Porting Mod (TM)
merry pendant
west flower
Field stripping those bad boys is going to be hella fun
merry pendant
yeah but not very reliable sadly
olive plaza
I had the pistol and as long as quality ammo was used, it performed as well as my 10/22.
karmic canyon
you had a calico?
olive plaza
I did, it was "different"
next wolf
tall plume
Ooooh fancy
fluid isle
2, OUT OF AMMO
honest ruin
sweet, Ian's going to take it with him each time he goes to the range without cleaning it until he has a failure to see how reliable it is
merry pendant
tall plume
I think I might buy a new airsoft gun with part of my first apprenticeship paycheck soon
Props an MP40
the only STG44 out there is kinda meh since it only has high cap magazines and thus needs to be wound up
Already got a K98
MG42 is too expensive
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main spade
I guess I'll put the needle gun here. One moment while I fetch the image.
It's an underwater rifle.
I think, if I remember the exact wording, it's an antique British navy rifle.
If bullets don't work well underwater, certainly aquadynamic needles will.
fresh fulcrum
Itโs a soviet era rifle called APS
main spade
^^^^
ember idol
certainly has the soviet aesthetic
main spade
Scary and strange?
ashen bobcat
It is Soviet, that's why ๐
merry pendant
Bakelite is great ๐
heady quest
looks like it has the AK core
slim heron
main spade
ACSHUALLY
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opaque folio
bundeswehr has ordered driver vision systems for 405 boxer vehicles - for 69 million
thats ~170,000 โฌ per vehicle ... yeez. Propably with golden knobs...
tall plume
driver vision systems 
?
opaque folio
i'm assuming displays, cameras, thermal and that stuff
woudlnt be surprised if its just a single rear camera and a tiny pocket calculator LCD display ๐
opaque folio
might be something similar to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAmnBPn0VM8
this one looks like actual cost should be 10,000K ...
tight mortar
Yuck... that digital camo scheme ๐ญ
timber bloom
opaque folio
https://youtu.be/pnsdPBWJbR0?t=2102 i wish we had those lighting & particle effects in games... (35:00 - 38:40 and 41:00 -41:30). Ignore the rest of the video, its cringe
tight mortar
Was that the entire operational Bundeswehr at the time... impressive ๐
opaque folio
those guys? thats south africans
tight mortar
LOL
So all of SADF then
Didn't read the description... just heard someone being shouty in German-accented English ... Obviously the Bundeswehr would not have the required number of operational vehicles to do that show... ๐คท
obsidian adder
red tiger
Would be cool
merry pendant
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wraith lynx
hello
just wondering about a thing I see on modern representations of AR15 platforms - often I see the user smack a button on the left of the gun, by the magazine well, after a reload - I'm guessing to release the bolt
just wanted to confirm this was some kind of ergonomic upgrade to the bolt release?
tall plume
I recommend looking up some 3d views of AR15's and looking for the name of that button, with that info you can propably find some info
๐
couldnt read that before you deleted it
wraith lynx
sorry, trying not to state the obvious
so my best guess is extended bolt release as optional upgrade
or is the bolt release standard fit, but the extension things I'm seeing are for lefty shooters?
ah never mind, guess this covers it
sorry to waste your time, I searched for this before but guess I used different terms
merry pendant
yes ar15 has bolt release but you dont have to slap it like you can see it in games or movies ๐
wraith lynx
I was a bit confused by some places I've seen the charging handle operated after each empty reload
from what I've read I understand this is not necessary since you have the bolt release, unless I'm mistaken?
merry pendant
yes , with bolt release its faster , charging handle is just for other cases
sharp granite
where? I don't see any. you are seeing things @tall plume
tall plume
no booli
sharp granite
hue hue
merry pendant
for those you want to know details about famas trigger mechanism
spoiler alert its complicated AF
honest ruin
red tiger
Madlad
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olive plaza
Its sad how the Taser went from "the last resort before lethal force" to "lets use it on everyone".
dapper kite
I rather have someone shoot a taser at me than a gun ๐คทโโ๏ธ
But I agree that is has become an alternative to talking (in some countries)
karmic canyon
trigger happy officer: "GET ON THE GROUND!!"
hearing impaired random dude: "wah?"
BSSSSSSSSS
trigger happy officer: "STOP RESISTING!!"
analog moon
How about we just retrain the police to be less trigger happy?
tall plume
I feel like this is veering off into #offtopic_politics territory ๐
analog moon
police are meant to serve and protect, not mindlessly attack people after all
yeh, a bit
merry pendant
be happy that you arent shot by a non lethal rounds from a shotgun ๐
those are waaaay more painful
karmic canyon
whoever caught a paintball with the unprotested and sensitive part of the crotch knows what you mean ๐
or at least can imagine
sullen flame
Yeah lemme clear the air and let y'all know that the police have been doing their job outstandingly and utilizing the tools that have been given to them.
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karmic canyon
this is genius ๐
maiden belfry
Make sure to repost it in other server if you want this to happen ^^
karmic canyon
pff... think ima noob? way ahead of ya ๐
maiden belfry
Nice! Ian is a big fan of these movies and judging from his latest video, it would probably mean a lot to him ^^
worthy turret
I wonder how quickly Somali pirates would surrender if they just heard that a CRAM locked onto them.
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jolly ridge
what in california is this channel
jolly ridge
main spade
https://taskandpurpose.com/military-tech/kalashnikov-ak-19-assault-rifle-video russia unveils ak19 chambered in nato 556
merry pendant
oh nice
honest ruin
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RIP the original german/swiss sig sauer company
main spade
Wtf
haughty hound
Cursed
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not cursed , its a gunner trigger just for fun i guess - having it semi auto only that must suck ha
proven cove
Id wager such setup would be very useful to get even people unfamiliar with weapons act as a sentry when you have very limited personnel resources
main spade
Who's the user? Asking for a science project of course
tall plume
hollow nymph
Somebody should make zip 22 rifle
proven cove
dis not a request channel tho.
patent solstice
Also what makes you think making it longer would be an improvement over one of the most terrible pistols ever made
merry pendant
you dont need zip 22 rifle when Ruger 10/22 already exists ๐
also bullpup conversions aswell if you want
patent solstice
God that is horrific
karmic canyon
looks like H.R. Giger had something to do with the design ๐
merry pendant
well its a P90 style rip off , they are even direct P90 kits ha
red tiger
Iโm gonna rip my eyes off with a rock after seeing that
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patent solstice
That thing looks sweet
analog moon
That ruger rifle is cursed
hard terrace
Is it just me or does this kinda look cool
tall plume
It does
karmic canyon
is that a modernized thompson mp?
hard terrace
It looks like one of those pistol cal rifles
But the coolest gun is
Jk itโs this
Itโs the gun from the remake of Romeo and Juliet they remaked it to the 1980โs in the hood
merry pendant
Thompson looking like rifle is obviously a AR15 9mm carbine with Glock mag , imho with Colt mag it would look even better ๐
main spade
AR-15 seems like the M16 but it was a predecessor of the M16 like the MP-43 it was a predecessor of the STG-44
AR-15 was adopted in 1959 until 1964 when it was replace by the M16 I just hope AR-15 is on Arma 4 Cuban Missile Crisis
analog moon
well
we all know why Eugene was called Stoner
jokes aside
I think AR15 and AR18 left quite a legacy
unreal herald
everyone knows about the infamous ar-15
fresh fulcrum
@main spade M16 is the just designation for the AR-15 built to the US military's specification. Same as the M9 is a Beretta 92
analog moon
or as with FN Minimi and M249
fresh fulcrum
Indeed there are dozens of AR-15 types in the US military with different designations depending on their configuration and service branch: M16, M4, Mk18, Mk12, XM177, M231, GAU-5 to name a few
main spade
@main spade M16 is the just designation for the AR-15 built to the US military's specification. Same as the M9 is a Beretta 92
@fresh fulcrum so it's same then no different to the M16 ?
Ain't M16 were in service in 1964 while the AR-15 were in service in 1959 until 1964 ?
Because the M16 actually replace the AR-15
fresh fulcrum
AR-15s were bought by the US Air Force prior to the Army deciding to adopt the AR-15 as the M16 is all
Some changes were made on the basis of Army testing, which is why I said an M16 is an AR-15 built to the US military's specification including the rollmarks on the magazine well
The first USAF versions were Colt 601 and Colt 602 that had AR-15 "Model 01"/"Model 02" rollmarks but were officially designated M16s. The first adopted by the Army (after testing the Colt 601) was Colt 603 with "XM16E1" and later "M16A1" rollmarks. The USAF followed suit with the "Colt 604" which was the same as the 603, but didn't have a forward-assist (which was one of the features that the Army specified they wanted) and I think these are where USAF ones had "M16" rollmarks instead of AR -15 "Model 04"
main spade
I didnt even know I could upload mp4s in here before tbh, is that intentional?
sharp granite
Nothing in the #rules prevents posting video (links) here - being able to seems to be allowed by this channel's permissions
karmic canyon
Some channels have preview enabled, some don't. Some also allow Pic upload, where #arma3_troubleshooting and #arma3_questions does not
main spade
Found melted Iraqi army ammunition from 1991 in a pipe right behind a destroyed home in northern Kuwait
Figured some of you might be interested by that
This is the home, very creepy.
drifting yacht
honest ruin
merry pendant
hmm cool
main spade
is it just m e or does anyone else get sad when people call the dp27 the dp28?
i found out yesterday pubg map is in russia and they call it the dp28
merry pendant
For reasons that are unclear, it is often called the DP-28 in the west, even though no Soviet sources ever used that designation. It is possible, since the Soviets generally named equipment referring to the first year of use, that western sources became confused between the initial service testing date of 1927 and the general service distribution date of 1928 and assumed it would be called the DP-28.
it is almost the same like when somebody says AK47 while its AKM for example ๐
main spade
its extremely disappointing. its a moral obligation for me to lecture people on the correct name whenever I hear someone call it the dp28.
red tiger
Whether it is Dp-27 or Dp-28 itโs the same good ol machine gun
So everybodyโs happy
main spade
as someone who is starting to study russian in college I wont be happy untill everyone accepts the correct name ๐คฃ
red tiger
๐
dapper kite
I blame the Russians for having their naming wrong ๐คฃ
At least they don't reuse the same name twice (or more) like the US does
main spade
this is war
and ironically I dont know much about us weapons. when did US do that?
dapper kite
prolly in 1928, the moment it got released
main spade
http://www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=AM6&name=Albion+Museum+Collection+Hallmark+Series+-+The+Ljubljana+Sword
taking us back a few centuries .
medieval swords look cool
patent solstice
Ammo Depot blew up
https://www.facebook.com/326683984410/posts/10159423496219411/
tall plume
๐ embed borked @patent solstice
patent solstice
urrg
opaque folio
i like that this AGL mount thinks of battle essentials.... a pocket calculator^^
http://data3.primeportal.net/armory/jacques_pienaar/vektor_y3_agl_40mm/images/vektor_y3_agl_40mm_4_of_5.jpg
merry pendant
to me it looks like the credit card reader that they use in super markets lol
opaque folio
pocket calculator - 200g, calculator holder - 5kg
the Gen2 version prob. comes with iphone holder...
heady quest
could integrate it in the backbarrel
lots of flat space in front of you
tall plume
main spade
...
karmic canyon
Haenel will be new supplier for the german bundeswehr
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/09/14/breaking-c-g-haenel-wins-tender-for-the-german-g36-successor/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=breaking-c-g-haenel-wins-tender-for-the-german-g36-successor
tall plume
karmic canyon
i have that muted ๐
fallow mountain
Arma 4 is just going consist of AR style rifles and AKs with the way most armies are goin.
merry pendant
well BW will take 416 like gun from other company , while SF already has latest 416s clever
it seems weird like BW didnt wanted HK gun at all
but rather will take a cheap clone of it
proven cove
๐ค
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yes , only thing that G36 had that properly sucked were the optics
so now soldiers will have to relearn how to use it because G36 was different than any ar15
this new rifle is still short stroke piston just like 416 and g36
compared to early G36 , its surely more modern but the hk433 was way better for them
tall plume
I don't know about the Haenel but in any case seeing AR everywhere is certainly very aesthetically boring
Yeah the Bundeswehr arsenal is becoming boring, first we switched from the fancy MG3 to the MG5 that looks like any other modern MG and then we switch from the unique G36 to AR Clone 20276
Here's an MG3 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/n9jlx9NGqyo/maxresdefault.jpg
And here's an MG5 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PpdxPw2WC0o/maxresdefault.jpg
merry pendant
MG5 doesnt look bad , the baby puke colors make it look bad but when you realize this thing is heavier than MG3 then you know something is off
proven cove
Army does not operate with aesthetics in mind.
karmic canyon
battle barbies / tacticools will be sad now...
fallow mountain
Need to come together and petition our goverments to apply the "Rule of Cool" to all future military projects.
opaque folio
hk stuff doesnt look american enough... thats why it must be abolished
in 10 years we will learn that the new rifle is none better than G36 in the aspect that the initiator of the whole hysteria
oh well, another few millions in tax down the drain.
hallow willow
when I did my stint in the Bundeswehr (as a conscript), our instructors specifically warned us against bumping the weapon around too much, because the optics didnt like that / would lose their centering
now, you can be very careful around your rifle during training, but in battlefield conditions not so much
tall plume
Yeah thats one of the problems II've heard of with the G36sscope
hallow willow
I loved the G36, but I can totally see why you cant hit shit once you've been in the field for a bit
tall plume
I personally think it'd be smarter to just move from the normal G36 to a railed G36 with a normal Holosight/Acog on it or something like that rather than moving to an entirely new gun
hallow willow
probably yes
tall plume
Just have some armorers bubba up every gun and rip out the sight and hot glue a rail on top
merry pendant
on G36 you dont need a bubba work , when there already exist a proper rails for them
and those are ten times better than that HK gimmick thing
frosty imp
Many German soldiers who are deployed outside of Germany have had the new G36 with rails for some time.
light crystal
the 36K with rails or?
merry pendant
did you notice that every export G36 has rails , thats the reason ๐
also the first G36 is too long for what it is
K is ideal
frosty imp
G36a3
tall plume
did you notice that every export G36 has rails , thats the reason
Yeah I know that there's a version with rails on it
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*versions
tall plume
Fair
agile magnet
I loved the G36, but I can totally see why you cant hit shit once you've been in the field for a bit
@hallow willow As an airsofter, I can guarantee there's going to be some event where you sprint, stumble and slam shoulder first into a tree or a river or something else. In my defense, that tree in the middle of the field came out of nowhere ๐
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hoary trail
Just dropped a new model for my portfolio, you'll be able to test it in the newest Alpha Group Equipment Mod in a couple weeks
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/nYZGa9
tall plume
No crossposting plox ๐ , keep it to one channel @hoary trail
tall plume
Ye this one fits better
opaque folio
for some reason i love this pic...
https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/message-editor%2F1558026521613-hunter.jpg?quality=60
high tech stealh drone... pulled by dinosaur diesel guzzler K700
opaque folio
worlds most secure M4 gun lock /s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8AP5XYs8jg
tall plume
LPL is awesome @opaque folio
@sacred wren I dont know any mods that just have scoped but CUP and RHS have a lot
patent solstice
@sacred wren RKSL has a scope mod
But yea pre much every weapon mods has tons of scopes
RHS, Cup, BAF, NiArms the list goes on
sacred wren
aaa ok
fresh fulcrum
Would also recommend SPS Equipment for some nice optics models
unreal herald
Anyone know of the name of the T shaped shots on shotguns? Trying to find a effective sight for one but canโt find any that are compatible
merry pendant
"T shaped shots" , the hell is that?
analog moon
๐
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oh i see
unreal herald
Iโve tried everything except for replacing it with a different barrel.
Donโt exactly think duck hunting is going to go well with nothing but half of a grey BB on the front of the barrel (grey skies, grey dot...)
Right now, the closest thing Iโve gotten is a vrpa 40 by rock island armory.
fresh fulcrum
Aimpoint Micro S-1 is probably the only modern factory sight I can think of that mounts directly to a rib, but you can get weaver rails that attach to the rib and mount a number of different optics to the weaver rail and mounting plates for various micro red dots that fit to a shotgun rib
green mural
can anyone find good vids on the Hk-416 i cant find any, and i really love these types of guns, dm me if u do
fallen oasis
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opaque folio
modern czech hedgehog in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjQFtMGp9H8
proven cove
When we gonna see those in Arma? ๐
tall plume
I'm pretty sure arma already has that model, or a major mod adds it
but I think it was malden that added them
they dont have that functionality tho
glossy nimbus
is it bad that I watched that video and first thing I noticed was those locking pins on the bars didn't have lanyard on them...triggered ๐ฑ
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on reddit or even steam forums you can find these "tacticool experts" that say things just to sound smart ๐
opaque folio
its the dunning kruger effect...
https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/images/ImageLib/Screenshot-at-Sep-26-12-50-40.png
analog moon
๐ผ
lethal shale
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/217012741993529344/763251965185622056/unknown.png
Decided to work on the M9 a bit for my 3D portfolio... I think it's turning out rather nicely
merry pendant
pretty good ๐
tall plume
Oooh fancy
tall plume
Oh my god I love it https://youtu.be/M8d5Wr9au9I
main spade
olive plaza
Convertible
main spade
Dude probably wanted to have cigarette @Mach 1
opaque folio
best weapon of all, never goes out of fashion https://i.imgur.com/pWd7v8k.mp4
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stray field
I miss the days of the MK3A1 Pancor Jackhammer
I hope to see that in Arma someday maybe :P
agile magnet
News article: "US Army trials augmented reality goggles for dogs"
@honest ruin AR doggles
I miss the days of the MK3A1 Pancor Jackhammer
@stray field What days?
Anyway, I suddenly noticed I've got two airsoft pistols I like... and they're both based on evolutions of the M1911. Am I a Fudd now?
merry pendant
yes ๐
normal minnow
Another one of these spanish rifles reviewed by gun Jesus
https://youtu.be/qPhtfoWUnSE
unreal herald
Best sight for a shotgun? I finally got an attachment that lets me put a rail over the trigger.. still nothing for front of the barrel or under it but i can atleast get a sight... if anyone has any good sights that wonโt break my wallet feel free to dm me or send it here
main spade
@unreal herald can we see a pic of the shotgun(out of nterest)?
tall plume
wat
olive plaza
@main spade Your post has nothing to do with this channel or this discord and as such has been removed.
unreal herald
This is what I put on it
merry pendant
well put any cheap red dot , not much else you can put there
that mount looks wonky
unreal herald
Yup but itโs easy to put on and take off. Suppose thatโs the only good thing about it
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hybrid quail
indigo sigil
Ahh the sniper up there ๐ shoots nuggets?๐๐
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kind epoch
ember idol
sexy lookin
tardy zenith
Why are FALs so expensive 
agile magnet
So I just remembered that I'd really like to have a Delta Elite. But before I put my wrists on the line like that I should probably get something in good old 9mm first.
agile magnet
Hrrng, and I want it with a bright frame and dark slide, and a wraparound grip with ribs, and grooves on the front of the slide
Also I should make my Triple K Ultra shoulder holster more compatible with 1911s since those are apparently what I use when I go airsofting.
agile magnet
Speaking of holsters, what's the real difference between a holster for a full length 1911 and a Colt Commander?
frozen vector
if you're ever curious to see how badly you can screw up building an AK, here's how ^
main spade
Made In China
Russa: We made the legendary AK
China: Copy -> paste -> sell in cheap price
merry pendant
Chinese AK at least worked , look what Middle East did with AKs ๐
or India with Insas rifle ha
agile magnet
Where's that khyber pass grade AKS-74u that Ian found going to end up on the list?
next dust
Here it is. Bolt action weapon. May not even be safe to fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZZTD3w_a5Q
agile magnet
I should see about joining a pistol club tbh.
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olive plaza
As its a "weapons platform":
Can't see how it can be a "fighter". Bomber or UAV, yes.
ember idol
isn't that the new autonomous drone?
and by new I mean in development for like the past 10+ years
maybe the RQ-170/180
quick google shows a bunch of articles agreeing
merry pendant
its the mini B-2 aka RQ-180
ember idol
a lot of flying wings being made for drones, which is kewl.
unreal herald
flying wings are stealth aircraft usually. and a drone version would be far more efficient due to how computerized they have to be due to the lack of a tailfin to stabilize the aircraft
very easy to flat spin.
hardy briar
have u guys heard of the PAK1 or the PAR1
PAK1 made by Heizer Defense chambered in 7.62x39
a "self-defense" weapon
the muzzle flash is insane
patent solstice
1 round no magazine? So f***** pointless
merry pendant
hmm that round in that very short barrel isnt that effective
imho thats why 7.62x25 Tokarev exist ๐
tardy zenith
It reminds me of the first Automag pistol, which was using IIRC shortened .308 ammo
It had a magazine though
keen lake
I remember someone tested this and it was making about 900 feet/second. That's 300 J compared to rifle's 2000 J.
~85% of the power is turned into muzzle flash.
unreal herald
Bye bye wrist
hardy briar
yes
agile magnet
As its a "weapons platform":
@olive plaza Ace Combat 7 music plays in the distance
haughty hound
Coilgun tank, I miss u
merry pendant
they can want but that doesnt mean actually getting it ๐
US army wanted caseless guns for how long
amber sand
Laser sharks are better.
ember idol
yea, pretty sure they also rethought their deployment of railguns on ships, and laser defense systems on ships instead of the deployments they were going to do of both systems
agile magnet
And some people complained Arma 3 is too futuristic
@proven cove Come to think of it, maybe it's really the lack of weathering that made it seem so futuristic.
merry pendant
imho it was only because of CSAT ๐
agile magnet
The MX rifles too.
If the MX was switched for something derived from the M4/AR15 instead of being reminiscent of the SCAR, it'd go a long way towards making the aesthetic less jarring.
Would be interesting if the AAF used FN FNCs instead of F2000s ๐ค
merry pendant
FNC isnt futuristic enough ๐
agile magnet
FNC is exactly futuristic enough to go with a vest from... what was it, 2001?
2010, actually. But yeah.
Not the futurest of tech.
keen lake
ARMA 3 is not that futuristic, the main "problem" with that is some CSAT faction vehicles and insect helmets
but I think maybe real issue is you can't recreate in vanilla game modern day conflicts as you could in other ARMA titles with real factions and their real equipment (well, more or less. AK107 and SCAR say hello. etc)
agile magnet
True. Then there's the shiny
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honest ruin
fluid isle
good pew pew
agile magnet
Heh, can't imagine that was any good.
Krummlauf means curved barrel. As illustrated, it's a point defense weapon that curves its shots.
unreal herald
Replaces the coax gun as itโs cheaper pokes out the top , requires frequent barrel changes Bc the bullet is incredibly destructive... I mean it works but changing the direction of the bullet puts lots of force on the barrel
It also was used to shoot around corners
ember idol
guy on youtube has video with him shooting pistol shells curved via pvc pipe
some really wild curves too
unreal herald
Myth busters also did a episode on it
https://images.guns.com/wordpress/2018/08/M3.Grease.gun_.Krummlauf.jpg?impolicy=og-image equipped on a tank
Around the corner use
Very interesting attachment
unreal herald
For about a magazine and a half before it fails
stuck quiver
Yeah, check DemolitionRanch, has an episode of testing how aggressive a bend the bullet can go through
keen lake
I used to scoff at the Krummlauf device but Phil Sharpe wrote how he was quite impressed after trying one, which made me think twice.
main spade
glass jungle
noice
unreal herald
Nice but glock
merry pendant
glocks are still great
agile magnet
So apparently my hands are a little too lorge to handle a 1911 entirely comfortably: I'd like to be able to slip my finger over the trigger by simply pressing against the trigger guard until the finger slips in, without tapping the trigger. Instead I'd have to lift my finger and curl it before putting it over the trigger.
proven cove
take it to gunsmith for body modifications or go to doctor for body modifications?
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lunar snow
... Is that an actual round?
gaunt roost
seems legit
agile magnet
So some guy got his new back sight post with a rail...
thorn escarp
i dont see the problem here
tardy zenith
Needs front grip for increased stability
tardy badge
This is one of the funniest tanks i've ever seen. Big bob from New Zealand (WW2 project).
agile magnet
Found this on Reddit. It was so horrible to look at that I can't help but make others understand my pain.
agile magnet
Also, isn't the .45 round the absolute worst when it comes to overpenetration? 5.56 and 9mm bullets are light enough to be slowed down to less-lethal speeds pretty easily and 7.62 rounds transfer pretty much all their force into whatever they hit first, so the .45 would logically be the worst when it comes to overpenetration, wouldn't it?
merry pendant
from what i seen 45.ACP doesnt go further than 9mm , because its much slower and its larger bullet
for penetration you typically a need smaller bullet and mainly speed
agile magnet
for penetration you typically a need smaller bullet and mainly speed
@merry pendant On the other hand, a smaller bullet means less inertia. I wonder how the image posted just now would look if there was something like a plank of wood a short distance in front of the ballistic gel.
fresh fulcrum
IIRC 5.56mm M193 penetrates further than M855 in many materials in spite of having less mass, simply because it is much faster
Reduced mass makes it less stable if it manages to punch through the barrier to the other side though
main spade
6.5 mm best
final carbon
@merry pendant That's basically what 5.7x28mm was made for
Penetrating
merry pendant
yup the 4.6x30mm aswell
final carbon
How did I forget that? Oh I'm such an idiot
main spade
PKK firing an IGLA
lone spoke
suprised in 2035 we dont use this kinda stuff
this is pretty insane recoil mitigation
unreal herald
Lasers?
agile magnet
this is pretty insane recoil mitigation
I saw the huge apparatus and thought "But at what cost?"
Then I watched the guy tumble and fall from the recoil and it was worth every ounce.
lone spoke
Yeah
unborn venture
Quick question for expert in ballistic. How do you calculate the coefficient ballistic of a projectile ? There are a lot coefficient ballistic calculator in internet but all for small caliber like 9mm, 5.56mm... no large caliber with special form like apfsds or whatever. This is very important for calculate the airfriction in cfgammo.
fresh fulcrum
Depends on the shape of the projectile. Bullets are generally designed to a standard shape with dimensions that are relative to the calibre G1 form, G7 form etc. Other projectiles might not be
fluid isle
You look at tables online with the specific bullets that measured the coefficient.
Or you go to a range, with two speed measurement thingies, shoot a couple dozen rounds and calculate the coefficient
fresh fulcrum
I would imagine they use computer software to model the drag characteristics of projectiles now, then validate them with doppler radar measurments to determine such coefficients
fluid isle
I think QuickLOAD can also do it based on measurements? I remember toying around with HPBT
ACE also has a script to calculate Arma airFriction numbers that get close to input coefficient, used to adjust vanilla ballistics to atleast get somewhat close to the real ballistics
unborn venture
Going to a range with a 120mm or 125mm gun is a bit difficult ๐ but some datas can be found in the web thx
fluid isle
Gotta go to mother russia with that thing then :D
keen lake
how do you calculate the ballistic coefficient? with PRODAS or a CFD analysis
compare to other known ones
find a range table
but you can't generate drag coefficients of projectiles you have no data for by punching some numbers in your pocket calculator
unreal herald
@unborn venture some rounds do have an discarding sabot. However, itโs designed for smooth bore guns such as shotguns. Iโve seen rounds with a sabot that I can fire from my 12 gauge. Actually getting and shooting them are a different story but they do exist. Iโm not an expert but I believe the rifling of modern rifles and pistols would affect the sabot round. Modern ap rounds used currently just have a dense core. Like 5.56 black tip which has a tungsten carbide (iir) core.
keen lake
Those typical sabot slugs are designed for rifled shotguns, mostly for Americans living in states where they can't use a rifle to hunt deer.
lone spoke
@unreal herald you mean like M995?
fresh fulcrum
M948 (7.62x51) and M903 (12.7x99) are examples of saboted sub-calibre, small-arms cartridges. But the penetrator is quite different in form to 120mm fin-stabilised, long-rod penetrators. They're more like regular AP penetrating cores in shape, but in a sabot instead of a full copper jacket
unreal herald
Thatโs definitely anti armor
Sweg, to help with that there are also self rifling slugs.
lone spoke
man I actually forgot 7.62x51 is NATO 7.62
unreal herald
Bullet is bullet.
lone spoke
couldnt have said it better myself
unreal herald
The only thing that can change is what happens when boolet hits something
tardy zenith
I just went to get spanish mauser and came back with yugoslavian RPK. How does it even happen
gusty pewter
lone spoke
I mean you gotta keep the rounds somewhere
atomic ice
Yeah the gun takes up a lot of space
agile dust
merry pendant
@agile dust what this has to do with weapons? also put into arma channel
atomic ice
theres a gun in the picture i guess
main spade
htt://youtu.be/yHre2L8_enw
tuff
i remember this ship being featured on the movie act of valor
merry pendant
merry pendant
keen lake
I was bored and made a couple models of Winchester's new "6.8 Western" cartridge and its predecessor, the 270 WSM, one of the only two WSM cartridges which achieved any success.
This 6.8 Western is a 270 WSM that has been given the Creedmoor treatment. They've pushed back the shoulder and shortened the case to make room for longer ogives. But thanks to the long pointy bullets it's intended to use, the cartridge overall length is longer than the 270 WSM.
The twist has been increased to 1-in-8" from the traditional 1-in-10" of the 270 WSM, which was unable to stabilize the long bullets that have become popular.
According to the SAAMI sheet this should push a 175-grain bullet to 2,850 feet per second. This is a surprise, because there are no 175-grain .277" bullets from any manufacturer, apart from very small-time, specialty outfits. It will be interesting to see if Winchester has had one created specifically for this round, and how it performs.
It seems clear this is targeted at the hunting market, not the target shooters. Apart from the 6.8 SPC, hunting is the only place where the .270 bore has had any success.
I suspect a bump in interest in the .270 cal / 6.8 mm bore thanks to the Next Generation Squad Weapon program (see: 277 SIG Fury) might have contributed to the creation of this round.
It should give 100 yards more range than the 270 WSM, and more punch at that range. Estimating the new 6.8 against the 140 grain Accubond CT factory load, I figure something like 40% more energy and 30% less wind drift at 600 yards.
It's interesting, new cartridges are always neat. But it also doesn't make much sense. Why did they come out with a .277" cartridge instead of going just a hair larger to .284"/7mm and having a much, much, much larger selection of bullets? That's easy. Marketing. NEW.
keen lake
merry pendant
cool
merry pendant
sharp granite
glass jungle
never enough baguettes
tall plume
keen lake
don't browse the rest of their Twitter feed
gleaming creek
Yeah the gun takes up a lot of space
more accurately, the ammo drum
Also which type of engine is more durable (capable of withstanding damage with direct hits and continue functioning) the propellor piston? turboprop? or the turbofan?
lunar snow
Turboprop/fan are essentially a single chamber with high temps and fuel involved, so something that can pierce that would likely mess up the blades inside, or let the burning fuel escape, and make the whole thing ruin itself.
Piston might be able to take a few shots since there's redundancy (multiple pistons/chambers...).
Of course, a lucky shot can always sever that important cable or whatever on all of them.
ember idol
agreed, though the high speed mechanical bits in all of them mean in reality they'd prob all explode spectacularly
agile magnet
Not to mention that with modern weaponry it's never just one hit.
merry pendant
tall plume
coooool, lots of shooty bang bang https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/12/16/13c038465963dd73.mp4
glass jungle
aint that the clip that MSM said was from syria ?
tall plume
mmh might be
lone spoke
I see its the end of the fiscal year
main spade
im guessing this is some sort of "target practice"?
tall plume
Nope, its knob creek @main spade https://www.knobcreekrange.com/
Also @glass jungle
In October 2019, ABC News issues an apology for using the footage of the Knob Creek Gun Range gun show taken in 2010, which is named โKnob Creek night shoot 2010โ, which was described as being "obtained by ABC News", to falsely depict a fierce battle between the Syrian Kurds and the Turkish Forces. The footage first aired on Sunday's "World News Tonight".[9]
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knob_Creek_Gun_Range
keen lake
"The Knob Creek Gun Range & Gun Store is Kentucky's only outdoor shooting range"
the only one
how is that even possible
don't believe it
merry pendant
honest ruin
merry pendant
honest ruin
i watched that yesterday, its amazing to see how much it jumps around with the vertical axis pin removed
merry pendant
well if you got better mount like on vehicles or like UK/Nordic armys do that sled is way better for it ๐
wild tendon
copy
next dust
proven cove
That is a neat one.
tall plume
Here's the keltec website page on it https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/pistols/p50/
ivory dirge
wat the hec
fluid isle
Did you mean "wat the Tec"?
haughty hound
KelHec
mighty tulip
fluid isle
I wanted to implement these guns in Arma, started a bit on modelling but then gave up ๐
tall plume
Modelling is the part where I usually give up too 
we need a magic machine that transforms anything we think of into a 3d model!
Or you just rent one of those bad boys for a night to 3d scan it real quick
vale breach
just commission someone at that point
vale breach
gleaming creek
Btw, does anybody know what the US military Multiservice Tactical Brevity code for an Anti Ship Ballistic Missile that is capable of both ship and land attack, like the Chinese Dongfeng DF-100, or the Russian R-700 missiles is?
I'm confused because I know the designation for an anti ship missile is "vampire" and the designation for a ballistic missile is "scud" but what happens when it is a combination of those two?
frosty imp
Thats a hard ome
opaque folio
scampire or vampud, naturally
fresh fulcrum
I would imagine it would be Scud. Almost impossible to detect what type of missile it is (hence why brevity codes exist in the first place - it's just a general warning of the type of threat), but you would be able to see if it has a flight profile more like a theatre ballistic missile than a typical AShM
frosty imp
The turret of the Puma has the same functions
agile magnet
scampire or vampud, naturally
Vud
opaque folio
interesting site if you are into ww2 u-boats / firing calculations for torpedoes http://www.tvre.org/en/
very technical. Also, RIP the author Maciek Florek
zenith shard
somber kestrel
Based af
lone spoke
did this guy just get hit with AA?
tall plume
Looks like it
lone spoke
yeah fella got shot down by AA
killed himself with a grenade to avoid capture
he would have survived if he used his flares
his RWR didnt pick up anything because it was IR
lone spoke
hey this is a CBU strike right?
fresh fulcrum
Looked like it might have been WP just from the visual footage, but the explosion sounds in the audio seem like it's dispensing bomblets, yes. But it could be an artillery rather than CBU or RBK series bomb
fresh fulcrum
WP shells will make clusters formations similar to that https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/styles/embed_xxl/public/multimedia_images_2017/201706arms_iraq_syria_white_phosphorus.jpg?itok=C_-8LrKG
At any rate, you don't want to be on the receiving end of either of them
As far as I know, Russian RBK munitions tend to produce black smoke when they dispense, rather than white. US CBUs are pretty smokeless AFAIK
steel loom
fleet talon
Does anyone know if the new US militarys' sniper rifle MRAD/MK22 has been modeled for Arma?
merry pendant
most likely yes if you mean the Socom's Barrett Mrad
fleet talon
Well any Barratt MRAD would be nice. The older Socom spec'd version or any of the newer larger round and more widley used version. Any idea wich mod has this?
vale breach
tall plume
Ah yes, truly effective
lone spoke
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1353462585249521664?s=19
Tango and cash did it first
glass jungle
Who gave this guy enough importance to appear on the internet with his ankle-attached recoilless .22 ?
unreal herald
Friendly reminder that the first rule of firearm safety is to have fun
sharp remnant
