the paladin has been a thing for a long time
#offtopic_weapons
smoky panther
Man, ask any tank commander and they'll tell you why they want a man to be loader.
main spade
i mean undenyably it would be pretty annoying to be the guys dealing with the shitty prototype version of the hypothetical new turret
smoky panther
So you need an autoloader than can handle comms, handle loading and unloading of shells (normal autoloaders can't unload), and fire the MG
main spade
i dont really see that the comms is actually needed
smoky panther
commander is a little busy commanding the tank
main spade
yeah but most of that duty is communicating and deciding where to go
he cant really delegate the communicating part anyways
though i mean he is also looking through the periscope optic thingy
smoky panther
Yes he can
And he does?
Tell me how I watched loaders do comms
yet somehow they weren't allowed, according to you?
main spade
what kind of comms are we talking here
because im imagining the commander saying something, then the loader repeats it into a radio
smoky panther
Nope
smoky panther
Literally anything tank platoons need to say to organize themselves.
- Are we turning left or right?
- What speed?
- See that kid with an AT grenade on the roof?
- We're loading AP, don't double up
- Commander is taking a piss break, we're gonna hold up a sec
- We're peeking over hill x
- Hey, you're going the wrong way!
Commanders give orders
But the tank commander is busy commanding his tank
The platoon commander will relay directly to a tank, and the loader may or may not be the one cooperating with him
What you're imagining is not the case at all.
In many militaries, the loader is actually called the "Comms Specialist" or something similar.
main spade
it does still seem like that could be split across the rest of the crew to a significant degree
smoky panther
The gunner is dealing with taking human lives
The driver is dealing with driving a multitonmetalelephant
main spade
like the guy who sees the kid with the grenade says something
which afaik is usually gunner or commander
them having the actual optics
driver asks for speed and direction and such
gunner is like 'we are loading AP'
that sort of thing
smoky panther
🤦
If you had every crew member talking on platoon net, or section net, they would all blue-on-blue each other out of sheer frustration
That is not how tanks work, and that is 100% not how comms work.
Just, for the sake of argument, assume that I'm right, and the US does not want to use autoloaders for all the reasons they've given in their reports to congress about the M1 program...
main spade
im still inclined to defer to the military with regards to how their budget is spent
smoky panther
Then also assume, that when including the butt ton of armor, the cannon, and the two crew wells, that there is not room to add the cannon.
What do you mean, defer to the military?
main spade
i mean it annoys me when dipshit congressmen are like 'hurr durr we need to keep the a-10 even though the air force is trying to get rid of it'
that sort of hting
a-10 is cool and all but they seem to me to be the experts there
smoky panther
Congressman didn't make design decisions on tanks
They ask questions, and the military answers the questions.
main spade
and barring some horrible failure i dont think we should ever step into the realm of the militaries decisions as civilians
listen i know for a fact that the military is regularly forced to make procurement decisions they didnt want
smoky panther
It's how Congress makes sure the military isn't making mistakes or frivously spending money..
They are
But Congress didn't choose a manual loader over an autoloader...
main spade
without actually planning some huge lobbying effort to force the military to use them or whatever
smoky panther
??
main spade
because it seems to me thats the only point of bringing up military reports to congress
otherwise its kindof out of scope to point out the decision is not ours
or whatever
smoky panther
Your argument's not coherent anymore, you're just arguing about random things now.... I'm going to sleep.
TLDR; you can't just shrink ray a 105mm cannon and assembly, and there are many reasons that autoloaders are not used in place of manual loaders.
night guys
main spade
yeah but you mainly pointed out that past autoloaders are shite
then were like 'we need a dedicated comm guy because our communications are still single channel voice comms to convey all information so if the whole crew is talking they would constantly step on eachother'
which isnt exactly the be-all end-all of communication technology
heady quest
I was discussing with a guy about softair and the conversation escalated on full auto indoors
of course in softair is a dick move and most of times against the rules
but irl is there any downside for using that?
my thoughs went for uncontrolled ricochet and unexpected civilians
even though I think rooms are usually too small for bullets to ricochet and not just pierce a wall
tall plume
One of the problems (that you partially mentioned yourself) is overpenetration, as in the round penetrating a wall and possibly hitting someone else
Another one is that you of course use your rounds more quickly meaning more reloading
Also possibly worse control of your rifle
heady quest
but in case it was a single room in the middle of nowere going full auto would be the best choice I guess
my friends thinks rushing in semi-auto and aiming precisely is better
tall plume
Whats the full scenario here?
as in who's the one attacking
Is it a well equipped soldier or is it some random guy with no professional training and not much equipment?
karmic canyon
semi-auto and aiming precisely is better
i think this is what troops are trained to do
tight mortar
Flash bang followed by entry with controlled fire would be the norm, no?
heady quest
it was just a convo, no real scenarios, I guess 2 equally geared guys
but in my absolutely unexperienced brain it feels like taking aim for that half second could be lethal
even if the guy is flashed a gun aimed at the door could still fire blindly
again I have less than 0 experience on the matter but when I think about it (ammo wasting aside)
when you go full auto with a little prefire the istant the rifle points at the target it hits.
when you aim the window for getting hit gets larger
wooden hull
Full Auto on a carbine is used to build shooting positions(mostly). You can suppress in a rural area on full auto if you really want to think (IAR). End of the day you are accountable for every round that leaves your barrel.
The thing with a house there are 1000 what if Scenarios. Every room your going into mostly blind. I can’t go over specific TTPs for obvious reasons . But I always enter on safe .
tall plume
Btw this could be interesting to you peeps, its a video about how much airsoft experience translates over to real guns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQDfwyUgtjg
oh right I forgot that even us plebs get video previews here
fluid isle
what's the TLDW?
tall plume
I've only watched the first 8 minutes, but the airsoft guys experience from doing drills with airsoft guns definetly does translate over to drills with real firearms
(as a side note the airsoft guy hadnt ever shot a real gun before this video)
fluid isle
neat thank
tall plume
The airsoft guy is apparently already shooting better than the average police officer / soldier
tight mortar
"shooting better than the average police officer" ... that's not hard... if the police officer is NYPD... A five-year-old can shoot better than them
tall plume
olive plaza
I still remember when they (NYPD) shot at a guy who was running away and hit 9 bystanders
heady quest
it takes effort to hit 9
tight mortar
Or when they unloaded from 15 feet with Glock-17s and only managed to hit a perp with a third of the shots - and the alleged perp was unarmed...
Ofc, the NYPD police union successfully fought City Hall when the city wanted to introduce mandatory minimum range times and standards... so...
olive plaza
Its a shame when Unions get too involved like that.
I'm a big fan of them, but not when they fly in the face of common sense.
tight mortar
Me too. Also generally support LEO but very negative when they demonstrate that they don't care or want to be responsible with their firearms
smoky panther
@tall plume That video could be chalked up to the kid just being a complete natural - he already had an obviously large amount of gun knowledge, for example he knew exactly how to clear a jam even though airsoft guns don't simulate that. He may have never fired a gun before, but he's definitely done his research.
I've taken friends who have done plenty of airsoft/paintball out to the real range to try their hand at real guns, and they usually suck quite a bit lmao
tall plume
Heh fair
Propably depends a lot on the person
and what they do with their airsoft/paintball guns
smoky panther
(They can shred me up in airsoft, but when when I bring them to a range for a real shooting competition, I run circles around them)
That kid in the video was most definitely an outlier
Not saying airsoft wouldn't help build up gun familiarity, it definitely does, but it doesn't build up anywhere near the performance the kid was giving
tall plume
Yeah, especially if someone isnt trying to 'prepare' themselves for real guns using airsoft/other
tight mortar
Speaking as someone who has done both, airsoft in no way prepares you for recoil
Can, with a solid group teach you many things but cannot prepare you for the use of real firearms in that respect
tall plume
oh yeah definetly not recoil
tight mortar
But militaries do, or did, train with airsoft as far as CQB tactics go ... quite successfully. And if you are part of a good airsoft group then you can learn a lot... but what you cannot do is learn how to use a real firearm... Sorry, not happening. The mechanics yes, the actual use... no
heady quest
I guess for drills and movement its good but as a newbie at airsoft myself
I would lose all my cool at the first round I fire just from the recoil and sound
tall plume
Eh shooting guns really isnt that shocking with the right equipment @heady quest
Aka ear protection
heady quest
not just the sound but the fact you're triggering small explosions near your face
never tried so can't really say anything
olive plaza
Offtopic does not mean advertising! @brave olive
brave olive
I didn't intend for it to come across as advertising
Just wanted to let people know Classic had that going on
which I guess is technically advertising thinking about it, my bad
olive plaza
👍
olive plaza
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5v7bxXdvrDc/maxresdefault.jpg
Cancelled F-32 project
Navalized F-117?
brave olive
What I like most about the X-32 is that it was just so happy to participate even though it lost the JSF competition
Just look at that smile
tall plume
now thats a happy plane
brave olive
I want to make this a mod
Either just a regular Hi Point or the Artillery Hi Point Circa 1918 Colorized
but idk how much of a market there is for meme gun mods
But on a more on-topic note, the hi point is unironically good, change my mind
tall plume
I dont know if this fits into the standard definition of a weapon, but the Farmcraft101 cannon build is finally finished and he's uploaded footage of him shooting it as well
https://www.full30.com/watch/MDIxNTM3/cannon-rescue-part-6-historic-cannon-build-series-guncraft101
merry pendant
of course it counts - cannon is weapon as well 😛
tall plume
Looks better than any non bolt action rifle I own
merry pendant
why cursed?
nova tusk
East German with hungy foregrip, EG folder, Khyber pass gas tube cover, East German night sights and a few more.
merry pendant
not bad 😛
merry pendant
imho get a cheap surplus one that been converted to.308 😛
if you want a pretty one then get a german one just for display
sharp sinew
https://i.imgur.com/UmY0WhJ.gifv a weapon to surpass metal gear
merry pendant
open bolt lego machine gun ATF siren 😄
tall plume
@sharp sinew Thats amazing
I'd always be scared to break something though
And @merry pendant That doesnt solve the license problem
tall plume
tall plume
I think I've found the most disgusting airsoft Glock ever
https://www.switairsoft.com/product-page/we-g18c-classic-floral-pattern-airsoft-gbb-pistol
merry pendant
thats disgusting?
tall plume
To me it is
merry pendant
well you probably dont like any real guns that are engraved
tall plume
Engravings are fine, just not that much and with a gold/black gun
In general I dont like gold on guns 
tall plume
Those are somewhat oky-ish since the engraving doesnt cover the whole gun but rather only the slide
merry pendant
of course , because engraving polymer is kinda hard you know ha
tall plume
Heh ye fair
tall plume
Yo guys I'mma go buy a mig for free http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/armoured-vehicles-4/mig-21-trunk-393#currency=USD
tall plume
time to save up a bit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8AZaFKJ_dU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1V5blRJF_w
tall plume
Ooh this could be an interesting project for when I get a 3d printer
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138687445@N03/sets/72157671429051850
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/3d-printable-mg-34-ce8a6e64b78143568ac80c3f740f29e4
If I could slap some airsoft MG parts into that it could work for backyard plinking 
Could props print the right ammo boxes for it aswell
tall plume
https://youtu.be/4KJK-cVruQs?t=587
"Woah mir wird ein bissen übel gerade" ("I'm getting a bit sick because of this")
Oh no I've seen pictures of a gun! How will I ever recover!
merry pendant
make one from the steel 😛
tall plume
Heh I wish I had the money to buy a metal 3d printer @merry pendant
proven cove
actually what you want is 3+axis CNC mill for that kind of work
its probably cheaper than metal printer anyway
and the material quality is far better
karmic canyon
3+axis CNC
noob... 5+ axis is the way to go 😄
tall plume
Sadly I dont have a few thousand for a CNC machine @proven cove
would defintly be neat to have though
tall plume
Oky I've got a good collection now 
merry pendant
that lmg version looks interesting while that ammo bag holds like 30 rounds max if even so lol
tall plume
Welp, just joined a 3d printing discord and already want to leave it again
- No guns. Absolutely no talk of making functional firearms (weapons that use gun powder). Talk/pictures of Airsoft/Nerf/etc prints are ok, so long as they couldn’t be confused for a real gun by an uneducated member of the public.
merry pendant
lol - such wussies
tall plume
I can understand the first part about the functional firearms since thats legally questionable in some states/countries, but the second part is pretty stupid imo @merry pendant
merry pendant
you know before 3D printing - people still do it the old school way if they really want it with pipes 😛
merry pendant
oh ye i forgot about that one
tall plume
fluid isle
Is self-printing airsoft accessories a thing people do?
tall plume
I've heard of it
Its not super wide spread though because you need a 3d printer for it, and there isnt super much you can really print at a good enough quality
fluid isle
printers at my workplace would probably be good enough to print some high quality stuff 🤔
tall plume
Time to start running them 24/7 and selling your prints
But ye I dunno what you could really print for an airsoft gun
fluid isle
a bayonett :3
tall plume
Other than stuff like replacement parts if something breaks
Ye thats fair, most guns sadly dont have bayonett atatchments though
hm picatinny rail bayonett
fluid isle
picatinny 😄
tall plume
That reminds me that I still gotta buy myself bayonet for my K98
Oh also who needs a 3d printed bayonett when you can print this https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3370059
embed no work
"Hand Gesture Picatinny Rail Sights"
fluid isle
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1473754151 Picatinny Bayonett
tall plume
I feel like that wouldnt work too well for stabbing though
its in more of a slashing position
tall plume
I guess that'd work
tall plume
I have to say I'm surprised that there arent really any 3d prints of Arma guns
proven cove
just needs a longer blade for such position
floral sapphire
quick question, how hard is it to shove Ak-74 mags in M4 mag pouches?
merry pendant
@floral sapphire well if arent tight fit like those polymer retainers then you could shove 74 mag in it
tall plume
I think its not humanly possible to care less than this woman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdTxffc6yc8
tall plume
Now thats a magazine
( And let me know if thats too loody for this server even without the actual loody bits)
tall plume
ded notification time
I dont know where it was ordered from, sadly its not my magazine
I just have the picture
fluid isle
@tall plume I don't see anything loody on there, just a normal dog on a leash playing with a ball
well someone apparently got to that dog with a paintcan...
tall plume
tall plume
Who need claymores when you can have these things for way cheaper
(even though they props wouldnt be effective at all
wooden hull
Wow
merry pendant
spring loaded wood with nails works better 😛
tall plume
glass jungle
Dig a hole with two planks on it and nails at the opposite sides, no spring, no noise, only results
tall plume
That's a different use scenario though @glass jungle
glass jungle
Indeed you need some more time to set it up, didn't think about that part
tall plume
Not necessarily, I just mean that you cant do it well indoors
glass jungle
Ah
You could
Even easier following the kind of building
Like in Skyfall, I believe there's such a trap, among many others
muted terrace
@tall plume that mag is awful, where do I bulk order?
tall plume
The painted one? @muted terrace
muted terrace
Yes @tall plume
tall plume
Yeah I love that mag
muted terrace
totes
fluid isle
👀
muted terrace
👀
wind relic
Apparently a train lost some wagons...
merry pendant
this would been more into military stuff but still funny 😄 - quickly steal those bradleys
tall plume
@wind relic If they're standing there for more than 15 minutes you legally get to keep them
(/s)
merry pendant
yea good luck with that 😄
tall plume
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the majority of those 528 that were turned in, were propably turned in by companies
tall plume
Btw is there a big collection of gun diagrams anywhere out there? I was surprised recently that there wasnt really that much out there
merry pendant
google is your friend 😛
and not really there isnt where you can find all of it in one place
also depends what you really want from it
tall plume
Hm oky
merry pendant
tall plume
tall plume
earnest zephyr
Goddamm that's an entire tos 1 battery
lucid trout
how do you actually view those schematics. Opening any gives me a generic watermarked example preview
need an account maybe?
tall plume
You need to buy in @lucid trout https://www.firearmsguide.com/index.php?option=com_osmembership&view=plans&id=0&Itemid=134
lucid trout
Figures
tall plume
Still really useful though
merry pendant
even PLA will have its own hk416 clone haha and possibly it will replace their "crappy" bullpup
tall plume
light wolf
Probably some millionaire is gonna buy it and put it in his pool
tall plume
thats a big pool
light wolf
You should see his diving board
merry pendant
how a aircraft carrier is a weapon? 🤔
tall plume
This could be interesting for the german speaking peeps here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdX3l_HKVvA
merry pendant
polymer case isnt a new thing , army been using that for .50 cal for some time
but most of them failed because they easily breaked or got a heat issue
i like the idea that you got the case in two parts that way you can make it cheaper and possibly lighter too
tall plume
Polymer case looks interesting, I doubt that its going to be possible to reuse it though so it wouldnt be that great for the civillian market I think
Atleast the part of the civilian market that reloads their own ammo
merry pendant
thing is when you got two piece case it can be reloadable and of course this is for the army not civilians 😛
whole idea is just to safe weight and possibly making it cheaper
even if they adopt any of these new polymer ones , still brass will be used for a long time still
fluid isle
polymer casing mg ammo pouch mod incoming 😄
prime nexus
tall plume
Lindybeige is usually pretty good
merry pendant
yeah but he kinda slowed down 😛
prime nexus
Getting old sucks =p
Yeah I only discovered him recently, really enjoy a lot of his stuff
merry pendant
if you want more gun oriented stuff , i recommend - ForgottenWeapons , InrangeTV , C&Rsenal and for older medieval Skallagrim and Shadiversity
torpid tide
Does anyone know where I could find full engineering schematics for a Glock 19? I'm building one for my CAD class and would prefer not to take mine apart and measure everything
merry pendant
you will probably need to do that , out there are diagrams but actual blueprints with measures ehh very hard almost impossible when its under copyright
tall plume
I think i have a cad model of a glock 18 in case you're interested in that @torpid tide
jovial hearth
wonder how well the flow through suppressor works? if it makes it hearing safe. that's not a lot of space. i'm sure it cuts down on "boom" and makes it more comfortable to shoot.
merry pendant
probably just making it hearing safe under the ear which lower than 140 decibels and nothing more
you can have a short suppressor if you got the volume , which is why it is fat , same idea like those oil filters
stone notch
Well I didn’t know where to put these videos but you could class it as a weapon as a AFV is technically for war so 🤷♂️🤷♂️ yeah 😂😂
And yes I’m the one filming this 😂😉
tall plume
fresh fulcrum
Spartan, yeah?
stone notch
@fresh fulcrum yep
jovial hearth
what part of lavonia were you driving through? lol
uneven ginkgo
Saw this bad boy in the sky
tall plume
merry pendant
i dont know if weapons are vehicles too 🤔
this would fit more into military materials
shrewd tundra
merry pendant
eh?
patent solstice
yea, what's happening there are they bombing their own plane
just realised the left horizontal stab is missing 😂
broken leaf
That bomb in the center is going to be its end.
hallow willow
dont think so. bombs are being slowed down by drag, while planes power through at constant velocity. bomb in center of picture will probably go the same way the others before it did… i.e. cutting through empty air where the bottom plane's left stabilizer was
merry pendant
merry pendant
lavish cave
Anyone else seen this design? https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N5vnbTeA5n4/XcHc8bevhhI/AAAAAAAAAHk/I1jYuKcH478gCOfuMXyc-dus0PWY3T7HwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/qbz01-720x477.jpg
karmic canyon
looks like a QBZ-19
http://www.military-today.com/firearms/qbz_19.htm
@lavish cave
merry pendant
yes its the new non bullpup rifle for PLA
because their bullpup kinda sucked xD
half hollow
In regards to the hearing safety of suppressors. Anything over 85 dB will damage your hearing after a period of time. A suppressed gun might be hearing safe for a few minutes of shooting, but not for a day at the range or a several hour long firefight.
karmic canyon
85-90dB are totally fine since shots are impulses and not a continuing signal/stress on the hearing
i could go into detail about measuring dBa or dBc, Leq and so on... but 90dBa are more or less harmless
merry pendant
under 140db is considered hearing safe for a suppressor btw
but still use hearing protection unless you have .22LR or its a subsonic
half hollow
Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. A single impulse is hearing safe, but they do add up if there's many in a short period of time.
lavish cave
@merry pendant idk, I distinctly remember that by the time the T97NSR took off in Canada it didn't have any of the QBZ-95-1/Type 95-1 upgrades
merry pendant
@lavish cave thats because it was not restricted and probably cheap
since i know AR15 is only for ranges
same reason why XCR is popular there too as ar15 alternative and Vz58 instead of AK (because AK is banned)
lavish cave
Yes, thought you're not going to get 'what the troops thought of the Type 95-1' from a video of a guy whose rifle has none of said upgrades
merry pendant
yeah but still you get the base rifle 😄
ember idol
i want a vss
merry pendant
pliant turret
So in the next few months I'm going to buy my first gun. I've shot guns before, been around them basically my whole life, but I've never bought one. I had a .22, but I was never allowed to shoot it without my dad and now it's way too small. I'm a t-rex trying to shoot it. I'd like to get a revolver, but revolvers are handguns so I gotta be 21 to get one... or something. It's gotta be a long gun because I'm only 18, not 21 yet. I'm thinking a Remington 870 chambered in 12 gauge. I went gun shopping a few months ago and really liked the 870. The mossberg maverick 88 felt cheap, the mossberg 500 felt a million times better, but the 870 felt better yet. 870 was the most expensive but they were all priced pretty closely.
What I'd really like is an AR... but uhhhhhhh... They're kinda expensive... I'm basically looking for the cheapest decent gun I can get. Shotguns are cheap and oh so versatile. And ammo is dirt cheap.
Essentially I'm looking for something to do on the weekends, do home defense when I eventually have money to move out of my parents basement, and hunt if I feel like it. Been kinda tempted but not enough to ask anyone to tag along. It'll be nice to have my own gun if I decide to go.
I don't really care what I get, tbh. The main purpose is target practice on the weekends. Cheap ammo and fun to shoot are the main priorities. 12 gauge is everywhere, a pump shotty is a blast to shoot, and it'll beat you up a little. Perfect.
olive plaza
The main purpose is target practice on the weekends. Cheap ammo and fun to shoot are the main priorities.
Ruger 10/22
Yes, I know you mentioned home defense, but your priorities should experience and proficiency above all else. Additionally, once you get to the point that you want to hunt, it can still be used for small game like rabbits/Squirrels. Once you've moved out and can afford your own place, and can find a place that will allow someone under 21 to bring a firearm into a rental property (expect to pay more if they do), you will (hopefully) then be able to afford something more to your liking.
merry pendant
Ruger 10/22 is good as long you want to have fun and shoot crapload of .22
if you want a long gun experience then is better to wait when you can get one
you can get any cheap bolt gun , shot gun or lever gun
also mossbergs are typically better but if you buy the 500 or 590
rem 870 are fine but same as like 700 bolt gun the current quality of Remington guns can be 50/50
later if you want a AR15 you can get Ruger or PSA for 500-600$
olive plaza
I had a Mossberg 500 and a 590, both served me well, but barely used them. I eventually bought a Taurus Judge for home defense as the shotguns just seemed to be overkill
merry pendant
Judge is cool but kinda pointless ha
for home defense ehhhh maybe with some right ammo?
but they are usually weak and inaccurate
olive plaza
Shooting from less than 10 foot with buckshot, .410 slug or .45 colt will put down any intruder
Ive never heard a 45 colt or a .410 slug called weak
and at the range, they're accurate enough for what its being used for
merry pendant
i meant with .410 as they making it "snake killer" thing , upclose anything is lethal heh
olive plaza
yeah, if you use rat shot
fallow mountain
If my little break action .410 can pop a turkey, I'm pretty sure it can pop a person. 😛
wooden hull
-Shot placement and follow through.
merry pendant
true but also if you have a rifle .410 thats a different story than from the revolver
wooden hull
For home defense I worry about punching through drywall. Ie I’m not going to use my 308 in my house.
On a separate topic
Any thoughts on Savage or 6.5 creedmoor
https://www.savagearms.com/content?p=firearms&a=product_summary&s=22663
merry pendant
Savage rifles are good , depends what you need tho
6.5 creedmoor is fine too but its more expensive than .308 so thats that
hollow sequoia
I just dropped $2,600 on a 1983 AUG
Will post pics when I get it. Been wanting one of these for a loong time
merry pendant
oh nice i guess? while i would personally prefer more modern like the A3 one or the Thales one if they didnt back up
hollow sequoia
I've been wanting one ever since I watched die hard for the first time haha
A3 is definitely nice but I just really wanted the classic
wooden hull
I have a 5-600m field That I hunt in. Remington 700 in .308 is good but the rough estimate is 48 inch drop. I was thinking about the 6.5. Here it’s mostly thick woods and a few fields. Most shots are under 300m
hollow sequoia
My brother has a Ruger precision 6.5, I like it and it's surprisingly quiet with the muzzle brake on it
Unless you fire it standing up like a madman that is haha
Expensive to shoot though haha
merry pendant
ye thats the thing 6.5 is nice but if shoot most of the time below 400m then that is kind of a waste
oh man i would love to have this but i expect it will be expensive as feck
hollow sequoia
The store I bought the aug from has a beautiful Uberti Schofield revolver
Mammoth Ivory grips
pliant turret
I want something with more recoil than a .22.
pliant turret
S&W 500 is a handgun. Due to dumbass laws, I can't buy one until I'm 21.
pliant turret
I'm forced to register for the draft. I can be forced to die for my country carrying a full auto rifle and a handgun. I can choose the nation's leaders. I can buy tobacco. I can buy rifles and long guns. But I can't buy a pistol or a beer.
Logic 100
karmic canyon
'murrica i guess?
dapper kite
allowed to drive cars at age 16, complains about not being allowed to buy a weapon till 21...
Not sure which does more harm in the wrong hands...
pliant turret
I can buy a rifle at 18. Can't buy a handgun until 21.
Car, for sure.
People are concerned if you carry a gun in public. Everyone drives cars in public. It isn't until you hop a curb and start running over people that they start to be concerned.
karmic canyon
what kind of logic is that...?
pliant turret
You can accidently take out a lot of people with a car just by not paying attention.
pliant turret
"Sorry boss, I'm gonna be a few days late... I kinda tried to text my wife at 70 mph and accidently killed a family of 5."
karmic canyon
apples and pears... apples and pears my friend
the purpose of a gun is to kill, or to hurt at least. the purpose of a car is to transport
¯_(ツ)_/¯
and another difference: you are required to have a driving license to proof that you leanred the basics of car handling. traffic laws and what not.
you don't need that for a gun really... why not?
pliant turret
Because the government needs to get money from roads somewhere... Driver's license fees and vehicle registration is where that comes from.
Have you taken the driver's test? A goldfish could pass.
It serves no purpose other than to collect more money from you.
karmic canyon
the money from driving tests are not even a drop on a hot stone, and the money thing is surely not the reason for a test.
this is like saying that the purpose of school exams / education is purely to build new schools...
c'mon, where's the logic?
pliant turret
Exams serve no purpose. You literally cannot fail anymore. "Oops, somebody got a bad grade... Here, try again. And again. And again. You'll get it eventually, keep trying!"
Teachers aren't allowed to dock points for late work.
pliant turret
Smh. Schools don't educate.
karmic canyon
but why is it bad to first get a test / license for guns that you can fail only 2 times for example?
if you succeed, you can buy a gun, 1st amendment still in place
pliant turret
Because there are already enough ways to not be allowed to have a gun? Say you're arguing with your girlfriend. Your neighbor calls the cops for the third time this weeks because Karen hates you. Cops arrest you because taking someone to jail is the best way for them to not get called back to a domestic. Aaaand now you can't own guns.
...why should we let the government decide what we should be able to defend ourselves against the government with?
"Hey, say I were to mug you... Can I use a knife?"
karmic canyon
but still the quiet kid from last row can get a gun without a problem...
pliant turret
If he's 18 he can get a rifle...
Not a handgun.
Full auto? Only if he has way too much money to buy a pre-ban machine gun...
karmic canyon
i'll call it a firearm. the barrel length dosent matter actually
karmic canyon
what i'm up to is, the quiet kid from last row can get a firearm without a problem. no check on his mental state by a doc or whatsoever. just a background check like 'any arrests or charges'. nothing more actually
his first and only contact with the police will be when they put 20mags in his head
pliant turret
I'm a quiet kid who sat in the back of class so I could get the hell out of school as fast as possible so I could play some video games.
I've graduated, turned 18, now I can legally buy a rifle.
And I want to so I can do something other than sit in the Walmart parking lot.
I mean, I would just go to a bar like everyone else, but I'm not 21... (Every block in Wisconsin has a church and five bars)
There very well might be more bars than people in Wisconsin.
karmic canyon
even in the military you have to go through basic weapons training befor they give you a firearm. if you fail that, you get kicked out...
pliant turret
I want to go shooting for fun because there isn't small talk required.
karmic canyon
why not so in civil life?
pliant turret
Just go bang bang plink plink for a few hours.
Because the government shouldn't decide what we can use to overthrow it?
"Okay okay, I get you want to rob me but... You can't use a gun. Or a knife. Or a bat. Or your hands. I require you to wear boxing gloves and cinderblocks on your feet."
karmic canyon
hold up, not what it is...
i'm not saying ban the guns or whatever. i'm saying give them guns if they know how to use and formost securely store them.
controlled weapons training and a test to get a permit
as soon as you have it, go nuts
buy whatever you want
pliant turret
I mean... You already can't concealed carry a gun unless you take a class...
karmic canyon
depends on the state tho
pliant turret
True. 99.9999999999% either don't allow it or require you to take a class.
karmic canyon
not sure what state it was, but the permit depends on the good will of the local police dep.
no class needed. if they don't like you, you'Re out
if you'Re cool, you get one
waiting time between 3 days and 14 months
pliant turret
Anyway, to get back to "what should I buy" and not "why I can't buy what I can't buy"... I'm thinking a Remington 870. 12 gauge is everywhere, it's dirt cheap, there's tons of different loads, and it's not going to encourage me to shoot fast.
Dragons breath, anyone?
karmic canyon
DB is pure FX
pliant turret
karmic canyon
no actual damage
pliant turret
Guns and fire. Is there anything more fun to play with?
Oh yeah, gravity.
Dragons breath while base jumping.
Now that's a weekend.
pliant turret
"Why are you hitting yourself?"
"Put my damn arm down and bring me to the hospital!"
😂
Anyway... Would ya just look at it? Damn, I want that to break my shoulder.
I mean, I've been skeet shooting with airsoft pistols on the weekends... Take a can or bottle, throw in the air, shoot it.
Repeat.
Repeat.
Repeat.
Get bored.
It lacks the BOOM, ya know.
Oh man, I should've bought one over black friday...
karmic canyon
This didn't lack boom when I shot it ;)
pliant turret
That looks... Erm, expensive.
My budget is about $1000.
I'm looking for cheap fun.
ARs are wonderful, but 5.56 isn't super cheap and you can burn a 30 round mag pretty damn quick.
karmic canyon
on the table: savage 10BA
on the ground: bushmaster ba50
pliant turret
Long range is fun and all, but like... I dunno, you need a BIG space to really get windage and elevation to screw with you, and... eh. I'd rather go trap shooting with my buddies.
karmic canyon
without training you will hit sh*t above 200-300m anyway
but let me tall you, standing 10m behind the .50 when it shoots, the blast feels like a kick in the chest still 😄
got some serious beef that fu**er
😂
it's 4:45AM, i'm off
merry pendant
íf you want more recoil get ar15 , if thats not enough then AKM , if thats not enough then Fal/G3 if thats not enough get DP12 😛
also if you want something cheaper than maybe some surplus rifle like mauser or garand
pliant turret
I'd like an AR but they're kinda pricey and can burn through ammo. Garand is tempting, depending on the price of ammo.
Shotty would be a better truck gun though.
I'd like to manually chamber each round though. Bolt action, lever action, or pump action would be ideal.
Or an old single action revolver... But handgun, so it's gotta wait 2.5 years.
merry pendant
garand is a great choice , if you can get a decent one for shooting even some converted .308 garand and then getting some surplus cheap ammo
if you want a shotgun thats fine , thats your preference 😄
pliant turret
Shooting stationary targets gets boring. Shooting moving targets is way more fun.
And shotgun spread makes it waaaaay easier.
pliant turret
Ooh, a side by side double barrel shotty...
tight mortar
Saiga-12 ftw
pliant turret
I'm looking under $1000, fyi
tight mortar
I was talking to a buddy from Georgia (USA) about the Saiga-12. He found them for less than $1000... but ofc, do not know whether you are in the US?
pliant turret
Wisconsin.
I mean, is there anywhere outside the US that you can buy a gun (legally)?
pliant turret
Damn city folk banning fun...
California, New York, and Chicago are the main places to blame.
tight mortar
lol
patent solstice
Damn city folk banning fun...
cough horrible events that happen every other week in America but not in any other developed country with sensible gun control laws cough
pliant turret
There's no such thing as a constitutional gun law, taxation is theft, also, #offtopic_politics
So, side by side shotty or Remington 870... Or a lever action... Or a bolt action...
merry pendant
@patent solstice leave the politics in that specific channel , in this channel we promote guns if you dont like them then you know 😉
btw you dont need saiga to get magazine fed shotgun
there are plenty of turkish AR like shotguns that work quite fine , nothing extra but for the price quite ok
patent solstice
I'd like to point out that he very clearly started it and has been for multiple days. And i find the topic of weapons interesting from a military perspective, so i wont "you know"
waxen jackal
Search up ''G3 Bayonet'' for a instant headache
merry pendant
@waxen jackal huh? whats wrong with it lol
fallow mountain
In regards to the 6.5mm. Unless you plan to use it for hunting, there is far cheaper options out there.
wooden hull
6.5 would be for hunting. I roughly looked at the ballistic calculator for the .308 Remington 700 , drop at 400-500m was around 48 inches but i still need to confirm this in the spring.
One of my hunting location (targets of opportunity) is off my porch in the field which ranges 500-700m.
pliant turret
Smh
merry pendant
even freaking Taurus has better .22 pistol than Glock showed xD
not to mention that new Glock 44 has a polymer slide
keen island
austinw2018: I mean, is there anywhere outside the US that you can buy a gun (legally)?
Of course there is
Whilst there may be more steps to obtaining, there's places
ember idol
heck, some places far fewer steps. and by steps, i mean literal steps outside their...dwelling
pliant turret
So, I'm really torn between a pump 12 and a side by side double 12...
Side by sides are so... cool. But pumps are cheaper and hold more ammo.
But side by sides don't have magazine springs to wear out from leaving it loaded next to your bed/behind your door or whatever.
Like why revolvers are better to EDC. You can leave them loaded without wearing out a spring.
merry pendant
imho the spring problem isnt that big of a problem than like 50 years ago 😄
if you prefer less ammo , then go for it
unless you store fully loaded mags like for 2 years in a safe or something
olive plaza
unless you store fully loaded mags like for 2 years in a safe or something And even then I've never seen an issue with it.
merry pendant
that really depends on the magazine , i heard that pmags used to do that or usually springs get weaken
pliant turret
This whole Virginia thing... I'm going with the 870. More ammo for tyrants.
Hahahaha... I mean... more ammo for... paper targets... yeah...
dapper kite
oh noos... gun violence... we need oar guns!
pliant turret
🤷 an ounce of lead is pretty damn good persuasion. "Give you my car? How about BANG no..."
heady quest
I expected nothing less from a guy with that avatar
fallow mountain
Eh, just keep the ammo nearby if your worried about the springs. Takes all but 2 seconds, and unless you have Seal team 6 fumbling around in your house. You have time.
glass jungle
Many counter examples to that tho
Like, dude wakes you up in your sleep
_hold up, fam, gotta load my mag
merry pendant
well if you are worried that much , then dont load it fully 😛
empty mags are kinda bad idea tho
unless its in the safe and dont plan to use it anytime soon
proven cove
If you're that worried buy a new mag ever X month
pliant turret
I'm thinking about a Remington 870. You can replace the magazine tube spring, but there isn't a magazine to replace.
And even for magazine fed shit, the only thing that would wear out from being left loaded is the magazine spring. Just replace the spring and save money.
smoky panther
I can't load my mags/tubes fully. State law
I own a Remington 870, and it holds 8 shells, but I can only legally load 3 shells.
Fooled them criminals that were trying to load 4! 😂
Keep in mind, it's not illegal to have the 7 shell tube (+1 racked), it's only illegal to load more than 3. Seems like an easy law to enforce (/sarcasm)
pliant turret
Pick a better state...?
pliant turret
Why are side by side double barrel shotguns so damn expensive?
They should be way cheaper than pump shotguns because they're so much simpler.
merry pendant
that depends on brand too
sharp forum
Smaller volumes produced, i guess?
pliant turret
Maybe because a side by side shotty lasts generations? If someone buys one, it will be at least 3 generations until someone in that family buys another one.
torpid tide
CAD Model of my glock 19, built it for my CAD class final project
Didn't get to finish the whole thing but I was able to get about 90% of it completed
The only thing its missing is the trigger assembly and main recoil spring
pliant turret
That's pretty damn impressive, but I'm not sure I would've chosen such an item to draw for a school test.
jovial hearth
@pliant turret .. no doubt. probably get you expelled and put on terror watch list in today's liberal education environments. lol
pliant turret
"Picture of a scary item! I want him in jail by the time I get back from my safe space!"
🙄
So I got a gun safe for Christmas and I get paid on Thursday. Probably gonna go with a Remington 870 12 gauge.
torpid tide
Haha yeah tbh
We had to get our projects approved and I figured i'd give it a shot
pun not intended lmao
pliant turret
Thoughts on the Browning BPS?
merry pendant
not gonna lie this is first time i hear about it , but it seems to be quite good
but it has only 4 mag tube , so you have to buy extension
pliant turret
Imma do some shopping this weekend most likely.
merry pendant
pliant turret
There's so many calibers... If I had to list the main 3, I'd say 12 gauge, 9mm, and .45.
merry pendant
main spade
@merry pendant That's interesting. I'm of the same mind. SBR'ing a 308 is stupid.
merry pendant
yes it is but it has some uses if you are limited to it
merry pendant
wow this thing is a cool history piece that you dont even see in games or in movies
merry pendant
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/12/30/underground-arms-watch-december-pt-2/ - real fallout guns
tall plume
That yellow one is definety... 'interesting' to say the least @merry pendant
main spade
https://twitter.com/AhadTv/status/1213102593125371906 what do you think it was? hellfire?
merry pendant
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merry pendant
oh that must kick like a mule
patent solstice
Looks like a quick way to dislocate your shoulder
tall plume
Now thats a hat
patent solstice
🤣 Looks like he has Donald Duck's beak strapped to his head
tall plume
Pretty much, yeah
main spade
yeah its typical for iranian troops those very long basebal caps
pliant turret
Why though?
merry pendant
it better covers the sun perhaps?
pliant turret
Then why not get a hat with a brim that goes all the way around? Like the campaign hats state troopers typically wear.
merry pendant
dunno , maybe they want only the front ? or works better with scopes? ha
patent solstice
who needs a sunshade attachment on your scope when you have that thing 🤣
tough crypt
Curious, what's the best weapon, M4 or C8? 😄
dapper kite
(almost) same weapon... One made in US, other in Canada... Both by Colt
tough crypt
...I know, just trying to start an argument! 😄 Seriously, though. Thinking of gearing up my ghosts with the XM8. Has me curious on why the weapon got scrapped.
patent solstice
Cause it was garbage on many levels
dapper kite
actually... the project was delayed by the US Military, which caused issues at H&K
tough crypt
I heard it was pretty good, just not on par with the M4. Not much else
dapper kite
but yes, technical issues were an issue during the initial testing
patent solstice
Also it was the size of a truck, imagine CQC or getting in and out of vehicles with that bulky thing.
tough crypt
I mean, doesn't seem bulkier than a SCAR
silver obsidian
Because at the end of the day, it was just a glorified G36 made specifically for the Yanks.
It didn't offer anything groundbreaking that wasn't already available.
merry pendant
yes it was a g36 same like oicw but it sparkled to create proper rails so at least that was something
silver obsidian
True.
merry pendant
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/06/french-army-orders-74596-glocks-17-pistols/
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/07/french-army-selects-scar-h-pr-sb-scope-and-night-thermal-vision-for-sniper-rifle/
merry pendant
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tough crypt
Aw, they had the only decent bullpup in existence, now they're switching to (far superior) Scars and 416s... A little sad.
tight mortar
You mean apart from the L85A2 and A3 ofc 🙂
tough crypt
I like a gun that doesn't throw its own mags at the enemy...
And we're not counting Steyr weapons
Steyrs get an automatic pass
tall plume
https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/10/eefbb34aa4b601d9.mp4 mg42/mg3 is bae
pliant turret
https://open.spotify.com/track/1QeN8KfPogptX3oJizScQP?si=oW5QBaRuQzKYa-BlRCgoDQ
He says clip. 99.999% he means mag...
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scarlet acorn
here in montenegro gun laws are a meme
if you want to get a 44-40 repeating rifle its ok w/o a licence, but a 22 short pistol is illegal w/o a licence
since you need a licence to own guns that are meant to use smokeless but for black powder guns you don't need one
tight mortar
merry pendant
merry pendant
Arsenal basically did their own "ak12" , neat idea but it wont be cheap thats for sure
dapper kite
locks in general are terrible... but bad gun locks are even worse...
scarlet acorn
would planes fall under weapons?
karmic canyon
If I'd fly one, yes 😉
tough crypt
Why's the Norinco M305a not sold in america?
tough crypt
Yet it's available here in Canada 😄
merry pendant
yes Import from China and also Russian firearms are banned in US
that thing is HUGE
also i dont see how a 338 MG will be that super useful for Socom that much , since ammo will be like 3 or more times the expensive than .308 or 6.5
ye sure you got more oomph and range but when you spraying it doesnt matter that much
tough crypt
I think the selling point is penetration power.
Or was it range... I read something on it at some point
merry pendant
more probably range but still you arent going to snipe with this thing like a century ago with M2HB 😄
i know Socom got alot of money but for general use ehhh not as much , for mounted vehicle gun thats better
tall plume
Btw since that article mentions MG's, I dont like the new MG that the Bundeswehr is phasing in to replace the MG3 
merry pendant
yeah , ugly MG5
merry pendant
its not that slow tho , it has higher rof setting too 😛 , just its a HK Maximi in short with some features
also remember MG3 isnt as fast MG42 too
tall plume
ye but any slower is too slow 
merry pendant
haha
karmic canyon
there is not much use for an MG where you have to switch the barrel after every magazine 😄
the MG3 had to switch the barrel after 100-150 rounds and due the fire rate a enormous dispersion.
MG5 doesn't need to switch the barrel that often, and with a fire rate of up to 800 it is more accurate
also remember MG3 isnt as fast MG42 too
if they didn't have to switch to NATO ammo, the fire rate would have been the same.
merry pendant
well not entirely true , early MG3 yes but later ones use a different buffer that limits the ROF
and i think MG3s got larger count before switching
btw BW guys dont really like the MG5 aswell 😛
heady quest
does anyone know the proper difference between rocket and missle?
trying to distinguish each launcher
honest ruin
it's complicated,. a missile is technically any object that is forcibly propelled by something, where as a rocket is a projectile that is propelled by combustion of it's contents.
this guys explains it pretty good: https://english.stackexchange.com/a/185966
dense elbow
I personally thought a missile is just a bigger rocket 😄
honest ruin
a lot of people use the terms interchangeably because they are unsure of the definition and then semantics ensues. 😂
patent solstice
I thought the difference (in the military setting) was rockets a dumbfire and missiles are steerable by some means.
dense elbow
Yeah that might be. When I different sounds for my work for rockets and missiles I always think this way: If its a projectile fired from a pod or launcher tube, its a rocket, if it could fired without a tube or pod its a missile. Makes no sense at all but thats how I dealt with it for year hehe
tall plume
Yeah I thought the same as SnakeDoc
dapper kite
in a military context, a rocket is an unguided, rocket-powered weapon, with no steering ability. A missile is a self-propelled weapon, often rocket-powered (but not always), that has some kind of guidance system so that it can steer in flight, towards its target.
Although I really hope that space agencies don't send their astronauts to space in a rocket when following this analogy 😉
merry pendant
yea i thought so too in military sense - rocket that isnt guided , missile is guided 😛
patent solstice
I just can't believe i used the word steerable instead of guided 🤦
pliant turret
English is hard, okay? Words escape me all the time. I've just accepted that every now and then, I sound kinda... slow. Special. Whatever the least offensive way to say what I'm trying to say is.
patent solstice
Yea but i teach it for a living 🤣
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merry pendant
lol!
dapper kite
"let's blow up a church" suddenly got a completely new meaning 🤣
karmic canyon
LOL 😂
fallow mountain
https://twitter.com/SpaceForceDoD/status/1218335200964464650
Space Force uniform is out.
I was hoping for like....Stargate SG-1 style, but meh.
tall plume
tight mortar
Are they adopting the P90. Please tell me they will use the P90 🙃
fallow mountain
I would give them more tax money if they do.
dapper kite
Lasergun or nothing
silver obsidian
Lasguns? Please. Bolters are far better.
floral sapphire
tall plume
ember idol
im trying to think of a legitimate reason to buy a FLIR sight for a gun as a civilian....
because they are def cool
buuuut.........I can't think of any reason to have one for a gun
patent solstice
As the article states they are anti-hunting and people have been buying them to hunt with
ember idol
yea, which is pretty gehy. I'd agree using FLIR to hunt is shitty
but at the same time, FLIR is super cool and I'd want a FLIR monocular or something
merry pendant
oh wow
i think those hunter money werent enough xD
yea most hunters used Flir scopes because they were quite good but now they will find something else
merry pendant
patent solstice
Kinda ironic that a company in the business of making tools to kill people with is taking the moral high ground on hunting 😂
merry pendant
ye its a little bit hipocritical , as long they were making money why whine all the sudden
its like somebody was calling for a ban of Flir scope because somebody will use it for killing
also for a while there was a ban in hunting that you couldnt use AR15 or any modern military rifle
in some states it is still a thing too
i wouldnt be suprised that they will ban those scopes too if things get out of hand
for hunters thermal scopes are like irl cheating 😛
merry pendant
are you sure thats the .50, to me it looks like the .30 cal , but still its a shame
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tall plume
@glass jungle
tall plume
Someone on another discord I posted the image to mentioned that it could be an aircraft 50 cal https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1524/1342/products/ON6008__02.jpg?v=1571454260
delicate spruce
ewww white
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fallow mountain
@patent solstice Bit more #offtopic_politics But they banned them because people were using them to poach.
tough crypt
Been reading a couple horror stories lately, SCP-style stuff, and this got me thinking; what do you reckon a shadowy organization would employ as weapons if it didn't care about funding?
tall plume
Tbh nowadays I assume that it would propably be something like an AR/AK variant just with lots of addons and small improvements @tough crypt
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heady quest
sexy
scarlet acorn
do gas masks fall under this category
if they do here is a yugo m1 i found someone selling for 15 euros as brand new https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/551262690505523201/670016339179470854/VOJNICKA-MASKA-M-59-SA-TORBICOM_slika_L_60383459.jpg
it gets worse the more you look at it
tall plume
Can you explain why that offer is bad ? I havent looked into gas masks myself @scarlet acorn
scarlet acorn
since here they go for 8 euros in almost new condition
and the guy cut opened the exahle valve and rammed a 60mm filter in it
the plastic thing under the nose should be vertical not horizontal
tall plume
Huh oky
tall plume
Huh neat, thanks for explaining the problems with it 
scarlet acorn
but usually don't get these m1s
They can melt for no reason
But not necesearly
Since i've found old jna ones left near an army base that had been abandoned smth like 20-25 years ago
And were fine
But don't use them
tall plume
Posting here since I don think its appropriate for the other chat, but ye olde guns are great @gusty island I personally like ww2 guns more but older ones are quite neat aswell
gusty island
I love all guns @tall plume, but I kind of agree still because attempts at large innovation with firearms were much more common before than these days where not much is tried.
tall plume
Yeah nowadays theres not really anything fundamental that can be changed or invented
or rather stuff can be invented but its not as common as then
gusty island
I don't think so, a lot's been tried but there's still some things which could be successful. For example, I want to attempt to innovate guns in real life by using very heavy springs to hold more pressure with simple blowback but use a mechanism like in the Gewehr 41 which allows manipulating the bolt easily by temporarily removing pressure on it by the springs.
Although the way I want to do it is illegal, I believe that gun control's unethical so yeah lol
Heck, a Swiss 20mm cannon which operates like a PPSH exists.
tall plume
Heh
And yeah theres still 'smaller' stuff like what you mentioned that can be tried and invented but theres nothing like the invention of machineguns
Just the real fundamentals of modern guns
gusty island
Ah no, I feel its possible for rifle cartridges and even Magnum rifle rounds too because the Swiss cannon is a simple blowback in 20mm which is only a bit bigger than a Soviet ZU-23 gas operated machine gun.
Its the 20mm Oerlikon if you're curious, its legitimately a blowback submachine gun in the AA world xD
tall plume
Huh gonna have to take a look at that
gusty island
And I don't deny that some modern rifles are really reliable, but I feel a simple blowback one can even be more reliable. Maybe even more so than the G3 despite that being roller delayed blowback.
And all good haha, you should. Its pretty cool.
*roller delayed
tall plume
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqk5XZaFJXw
Belt Fed 9mm AR Upper "The FM-9"
ember idol
fun
merry pendant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfPHZFsw40M
Ian makes a good point why they using the new puke colors in new HK rifles
and possibly BW might not even replace G36 because all the rifles didnt met the requirement of being accurate in hot state that army wants
tall plume
Just saw that video as well, neat to hear a trusted professionals opinion on the situation
main spade
hUhhehUheuhUhhahhhahH
delicate spruce
Oh no
tall plume
Here's some neat footage of G3's being made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEFALN8D8t0
heady quest
got a question
is automated zeroing for rifles that impossible of a technology?
if so why?
tall plume
Is this during production or in combat? @heady quest
heady quest
both I guess
never seen many articles about it
I would understand that it was too expensive to issue it to every infantryman, but by 2020 I was expecting to see them on at least sniper rifles
but I'm not too much informed on the subject
the tech to measure wind, distance, heigh etc, exists
why not try to mix them together
proven cove
Id wager ballistics change so much depending on weather that it would be too expensive to build a system like that
money is usually the obstacle
heady quest
it would be more realistic maybe for long range rifles, which are less frequent than the others
plus removing the human element is a good plan to decrease the qualification margin for certain roles
or maybe the amount of hardware could be more fit to be in fixed guns
idk, I feel like there is potential in it
proven cove
Id say it would require minituarizing so much equipment to fit into manageable sized package that I wager its unlikely.
honest ruin
it'll probably happen some day no doubt,. I would bet on it existing already in some form they just need to make it man portable.
then you take the human element out and it is no longer a skill.
tight mortar
How can it be so difficult... has been in Hollywood movies for years 😉
heady quest
except that the technology for the scope exists https://www.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-fcs13re/ (basically the sight of the tank DLC carl gustav)
main spade
Well when you have a spotter, which is beneficial for many circumstances, the use of having all that built into a rifle scope that will be worn to the grits is minimalized greatly
patent solstice
@heady quest The new Sig MMG has an automatic lase range/zeroing sight
https://taskandpurpose.com/socom-sig-suaer-mg-338-machine-gun
heady quest
huh, thats a start
merry pendant
zeroing for rockets is possible because of electronic componets in the round itself , maybe if bullets get a chip or something then you could technically fix it for zero and go to place where reticle is on
atm "automatic" zero isnt super accurate , you have to zero it first then computer can do the BDC but still its not guarantee if you get strong wind or whatever it will go where it needs to go tho
merry pendant
you just need a guided bullets 😛
lethal coral
would guided bullet become a missile? 🤔
patent solstice
by that logic wouldn't a GPS/INS guided 155 shell be a missile 🤔
ember idol
i mean im pretty sure navy intends to make them for its railgun, if they can figure out how to make instruments survive acceleration
otherwise not going to be much beyond horizon shooting, which makes it worse than normal cannons
heady quest
can't wait to shoot at people on the moon without having to care about distance
ember idol
Nice
tall plume
Working in arms importing sounds like an interesting job https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5fO14v0tgg
main spade
AK47 all the way
tall plume
meh ak's are too modern for me
pliant turret
I mean, once you can automate zeroing and aiming of firearms in combat, what more do you really need actual soldiers for? Just slap the aimbot guns on a bomb robot and there ya go.
karmic canyon
skynet rises an eyebrow
scarlet acorn
Why humanity doesn't deserve to exist
tawdry swan
https://youtu.be/Y3fd4goVs-4 it's this?
merry pendant
yes its the tactical zipper
if it worked right , then it might been neat
but its a POS 😄
heady quest
why did they had to put a cool design on the most uncomfortable gun ever made
its faster to create a pipe gun than to assemble that thing
patent solstice
I'm surprised it's legal, such a dangerous design, basically have to put your hand over the barrel to cock it
main spade
can we get more guns in future dlcs?
tight mortar
cdlcs will provide what they provide but more a question for the #creator_dlc_discussion channel...
tight mortar
main spade
ak all the waay!
tawdry swan
tall plume
I ordered some 50 round mg3 belts and they arrived today
scarlet acorn
i like how we can get black powder guns w/o a licence
tight mortar
Entire system goes down when the dumb central processor on top of the helmet is hit by shrapnel or a wall lol
dapper kite
I wonder what happens when a watch, compass, glasses, etc. get hit by shrapnel or a wall 😉
tight mortar
Same thing... but when you are relying on a BFT system for a while I think you may be lost if it fails...
See I can still navigate through an area with a map... even if my compass and watch are destroyed... If I have one of three I can navigate tbh
dapper kite
Of course it still needs some improvements, but putting it in a rugged case or under the helmet, than it's protected enough from minor damages.
Anything bigger and than it will be the least of your problems 😉
fallow mountain
But they literally train the army that way...
tight mortar
Just would have thought that inside of armour would be cool...
fallow mountain
Like, use your GPS. But if that fails, PLan B
tight mortar
We are talking Millennials in the future though... there is no plan B 😉
fallow mountain
But I can use land nav and GPS? 🤔
tight mortar
Back on topic 😉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUrxOoNALOg
pliant turret
If there is no backup plan, there is only failure, and failure is frequently death. That problem will sort itself out pretty quickly tbh.
Assuming the people who think no backups are a good idea are actually the boots on the ground.
merry pendant
of course it wont be as good at start but eventually it will be like in Ghost Recon AW
merry pendant
matrix style 😛
scarlet acorn
Idk why but black powder weapons and plain old 6mm bb airsoft guns fall under the same category
tall plume
Is this in germany or another country? @scarlet acorn
dapper kite
In The Netherlands airsoft replica's have a special law (since 2014) to allow them, before that they were under the heaviest category (like rocket launchers) and only allowed with special permissions for the army.
Black powder isn't mentioned anywhere specifically, but therefor fall under the "everything else" category, and are therefor forbidden in working order.
When a weapon has been made inoperable a special license can be requested (and will be given in 99% of the cases).
pliant turret
😂 They're worried about great great great great great grandpa's flintlock? "Hear ye, hear ye, I regret to inform thee that thou hath displeased me greatly. Therefore, I shall be attempting to cause great harm to thee. Meet me at noon so we may duel"
fallow mountain
Well too be fair, modern blackpowder guns are just as accurate as a rifle. Which fall into the same area as grandpa's flintlock
scarlet acorn
Montenegro Pi
pliant turret
Yes. Use a blackpowder firearm in a driveby. It doesn't matter that it takes a full minute between shots to reload because each shot creates it's own smokescreen!
scarlet acorn
not necesearly
multi shot black powder firearms are a thing
smth like a colt navy 1851 is black powder
pliant turret
Oh, the percussion cap revolvers?
pliant turret
Yes, much reliable.
Still, they don't look scary so they can only do damage to animals for hunting. 😉
scarlet acorn
but i'd still rather get shot by a modern 22 lr than an old timey flintlock
we can own stuff like semi autos and certain full autos tho
but need to wait till 21
pliant turret
But... the .22 is black, therefore it's an assault rifle! Everyone knows assault rifles are more deadly than old timey guns! The .22 could have a high capacity clipizine, and that makes every gun 100.3% more deadly!
internal rage
scarlet acorn
we have a minimum bullet in magazine limit
no maximum
unlike serbia
which has 10
pliant turret
😂 Minimum. "It is illegal to carry a pistol with less than 5 rounds in the mag with 1 in the chamber"
scarlet acorn
no we can't own a gun which has a magazine and less than 3 bullets
be it a pistol or rifle
pliant turret
😂 Grandpa's double barrel shotty is illegal for not having enough rounds?
pliant turret
Oh. with a mag
scarlet acorn
but if the magazine can be extended then its ok
pliant turret
Mag tube like every pump and semi shotty?
scarlet acorn
yes
pliant turret
Ah.
scarlet acorn
but for some reason they added a mortar to type c
but supressors are illegal
for type c you don't need a licence to own
pliant turret
Or maybe you can't buy mortar shells. You can buy a tube with a spring in the bottom though.
scarlet acorn
i think like i can probs buy surplus training ones
since the gov tries to sell them to civies
among other things
and airsoft is not really a thing due to the laws here
since you have to be 18 to own an airsoft gun
dapper kite
In Europe almost all countries have a minimum age of 18 (with some weird exceptions) and usually fall under the firearm laws.
I just find it funny that in the US it's legal to own a real firearm, but illegal to own an airsoft replica (some states that is)
tall plume
And Germany currently has a minimum of 14 years for low powered weapons
thats changing with the new gun laws though iirc
dapper kite
^^ not for long 😉
main spade
@dapper kite Some states, maybe the commie states
dapper kite
What? Isn't the US communistic completely?
tall plume
main spade
Probably california
scarlet acorn
we have better laws than cali
main spade
Everyone does
scarlet acorn
cough australia cough
main spade
Oh nevermind you're right, except for australia
scarlet acorn
imo gun control is bad
patent solstice
cough no mass shootings here cough
main spade
Cough port arthur cough cough
tall plume
I feel like this is drifting into #offtopic_politics territory
patent solstice
When you try to be smart but fail🤦
Port Arthur was what triggered our change in gunlaws
scarlet acorn
idk man gun laws are dumb
tall plume
And imo there's a 'good level' of gun control, not too much but also not too little
scarlet acorn
like here we can own ar 15 style rifles and high capacity magazines and had 0 shootings
patent solstice
Love how this channel is always complaining about guns laws but the offtopic politics comments only come up when someone supports them 🤣
scarlet acorn
am just saying gun control is dumb
its not about the guns its about the people using them
merry pendant
no politics , only guns here 😉
scarlet acorn
ok
patent solstice
a quick scroll says otherwise 😂
scarlet acorn
lets move to politics then
main spade
This would be a pretty epic gun to have
merry pendant
well some camos are cool but using flags is kinda overdoing it
scarlet acorn
yes
main spade
How?
patent solstice
I know Americans love putting their flag on stuff but man that is ugly
main spade
It's beautiful
merry pendant
if you like that kind of stuff lol , its just using a flag into everything is getting into very gucci territory
main spade
Patriotism knows no bounds robert
scarlet acorn
i think that is just crye
smth that i'd like to have is a brn 10 but can't have one due to itar
or a g3 which i can have but have to get stuff from us
tight mortar
Perfect weapon for range days... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE1MOvg8oFo
main spade
Laughs in GAU-8 avenger
cedar tapirBOT
*fires them railguns at @pliant turret* Ò_Ó
timber bloom
When you're sitting in your country's most advanced tank (aka Russian crewman flexing)
merry pendant
merry pendant
https://taskandpurpose.com/army-precision-sniper-rifle-barrett-2021-budget-request
all the sudden US Army and Marines want new sniper rifle the Barrett MRAD
scarlet acorn
Cool looking thing