arma3_feedback_tracker

[gaunt depot]

Where is this init? CfgVehicles?

I'm pretty sure Init is global in CfgVehicles too.

[brazen girder]

At first i thought of putting it there, but someone told me thats only run for who the vehicle is local to, so not fitting for this.
Now i want to place it somewhere else, and try to find a working variant of the script.

[brazen girder]

Supposedly not, but certain commands can have global effects.

[gaunt depot]

Had a glance at BI config inits, they do locality checks so no, its global

[brazen girder]

I was very strictly told they are not. But multiple people told me different things on this topic so far.

[gaunt depot]

I'm not an addon maker, but looks like they're wrong

add some logging to test yourself

Something like diag_log [_this select 0, local(_this select 0)];

[brazen girder]

Im gonna figure out that part later.
I could also just do it per EH, when someone gets in, or changes seats.

The problem is, i think the code itself doesnt really work.

if (isServer) then
{
  _this select 0 spawn {while {true} do
  {
    waitUntil {sleep 1; owner gunner _this != owner driver _this;};
    (group (driver _this)) setGroupOwner (owner (gunner _this));
    _this setOwner (owner (gunner _this)); sleep 1;
   };
  };
};

[gaunt depot]

Add logging to see where it gets what what states of conditions are

[brazen girder]

Im unfortunately not experienced in some of this yet, esp testing in multiplayer.
Could you tell me how to do that?
Im also gonna join general voicechat and stream, but idk what else your up to rn.

[gaunt depot]

Can't help you directly. Have this code in Init as I suggested originally.

[brazen girder]

You mean in eden/zeus clicking on the vehicle?

[gaunt depot]

Also lets move this into #arma3_scripting

No, vehicle config

actually vehicle init in 3den should also work

[brazen girder]

Literally cfgvehicles eventhandlers init?

[gaunt depot]

no idea about zeus, I don't use it much

Except for 3den init you'll need to change _this select 0 to this

no underscore

[brazen girder]

ok 👍

[brazen girder]

How to do that bit the most efficient way?

[gaunt depot]

diag_log []; everything and check RPT

[brazen girder]

Im in %localappdata%\Arma 3 , how do i know which file it is? 🤔
Nvm prop just the time. 😅

*ok just noticed, were gonna go to scripting instead, sorry for writing in the wrong channel

[young oasis]

init event is raised on all machines where the object exists

Whoever said it's raised only where the object is local will have fun times when someone runs their code on mutiplayer

[brazen girder]

Is this also 100% the case in mods like:

class CfgVehicles
{
  class newUGV
  {
    class EventHandlers
    {
      init="script";
    };
  };
};

[uncut briar]

yes

[solid marten]

If I were you I'd be careful to take advice from this person in the future. It is global. And JIP

[brazen girder]

Thank you a lot!

[solid marten]

I dont know who that is

[brazen girder]

From server arma 3 scripts and goodies.

[solid marten]

still no idea

[outer frigate]

server where people who dont know how to script pretend they do

[brazen girder]

Do you know any working approaches to this locality/group issue?
In MP, even vanilla stomper doesnt react to player driving inputs from gunner if they didnt spawn it themself as zeus.
Im gonna spend the next few days testing how to achive it.

Any pointers would be very helpfull and shorten that time. 😊

[brazen girder]

I found them helpfull in most cases.

[solid marten]

not sure what issues you are having

[brazen girder]

How to recreate:

1. Join MP server with another person.
2. Spawn UGV Stomper as Zeus.
3. Other player connects to gunner, tries to drive.

= doesnt drive

While it works for who placed it.

Bypass:
4. The other player connects to driver.
5. Presses WASD until it reacts.
6. Connects to gunner.

= now drives for him

Problem is, im working on assets that dont have the driver available, or are semi unmanned, where this bypass only works for effectivecommander, aka who was first in the vehicle, which can be quickly messed up in the heat of action

Im banging my head against this since days or weeks. 😔

Sa-Matra suggests it has something to do with "owner" of the vehicle and "groupowner" of the ugv AI.
I think "effectivecommander" plays an additional role.

[devout wave]

I'm not certain this is Zeus-specific. I've occasionally encountered this behaviour - temporarily non-responsive drivers when controlling a UGV gunner on DS - with Editor-placed UGVs too.

[solid marten]

which branch?

[devout wave]

For me, stable, but occasionally. Sounds like the other guy has it more often.

[solid marten]

there were changes so curious what is it like on dev/prof

[regal nimbus]

Does connecting to the gunner make the gunner local?

uh, remoteControl switched from LA to GA in 2.14...

[uncut briar]

should

[regal nimbus]

This feels like a bug given the command description.

[brazen girder]

Main.
Sry at sports rn. ttys

[unborn acorn]

offtop
My assets scripts has the same script EH config, it works if place via Eden, but script will not be executed on asset if Zeus placed
This works as designed? Dunno why scripts "init" EH won't work on Zeus placed objects

[solid marten]

which inits are "script init"s?

[unborn acorn]

class CfgVehicles
{
  class Land_Laptop_unfolded_F 
  {
    class EventHandlers
    {
      init="_this call compile preprocessFileLineNumbers 'path\my_script.sqf'";
    };
  };
};

my_script.sqf not work if Zeus spawn this laptop, but works if placed in Eden

[brazen girder]

My work when placed in zeus, for example spawning and attaching something. Or removing crew.👍
But you might as well mean something else.

On the topic of cfgvehicles EH init:

He wrote this:

ehs run on the vehicle where it is local..  if they are baked into a mod.   loops with server checks when a ugv is spawned with zeus, and is possibly controlled by another person , prob not best approach  as the locality is going to change.

Did i misinterpret, or is this false information?

He said i misinterpreted him, which is possible.
So i removed his name. He is a very helpfull person, and i dont want anyone thinking too bad about him.

Im wondering how would you interpret it?

[solid marten]

if true, and I need to test this, this would mean zeus placed assets would not init properly on other clients and JIP. This is pretty major, unless intended, which I am trying to find out as well

[solid marten]

this would be config based EH

[paper lava]

To be clarify UD1E not the one who is "someone", just statement here for not blaming my friend

[solid marten]

I don't see any reference here to init running only locally

[brazen girder]

He wrote me in dm.
We talked about it in detail and i think we calmed the storm.

I do not have any ill will against him, and also defended your server against badmouthing. 🤝

[brazen girder]

Could you elaborate, im not a native english speaker, and want to prevent further misinterpretations.

Do you mean with here:
A) Data about how the game works/ is supposed to work.

B) Leons screenshot.
(The context of the conv was me wanting to use cfgvehicles EH init.)

C) Or the copied quote earlier, which i might unfortunately have misinterpreted?
(The context of the conv was me wanting to use cfgvehicles EH init.)

[gaunt depot]

Started using custom channels on live server, getting

2024/03/18, 22:15:04 Unexpected IsPlayerOnChannel 6
2024/03/18, 22:15:04 Unexpected IsPlayerOnChannel 9
2024/03/18, 22:15:04 Unexpected IsPlayerOnChannel 7
2024/03/18, 22:15:04 Unexpected IsPlayerOnChannel 9
```RPT spam regularly

[solid marten]

what game version?

[gaunt depot]

Original output filename: Arma3Retail_Server_x64
Exe timestamp: 2023/09/29 15:32:52
Current time:  2024/03/18 04:22:16

Type: Public
Build: Stable
Version: 2.14.151058

[solid marten]

so this is before I did tweaks

[undone vale]

Not exactly funny or true.
I always wondered why some people have the urge to throw lies even if they have 0 connection to the thing they are talking about.

[brazen girder]

<-

[solid marten]

I was referring to the screenshot. A few pointers. If you want to know something for sure, test it. Sa-Matra explained you how. This is not a channel for drama. We would all appreciate more reports about the actual problems with the game so that it could be dealt with and less wasting time on pointless he said this I said this. Thank you for understanding.

[brazen girder]

Ok, i only refered to the copied quote i mentioned 22:53 CET.
Not at all to the screenshot.

ehs run on the vehicle where it is local..  if they are baked into a mod.   loops with server checks when a ugv is spawned with zeus, and is possibly controlled by another person , prob not best approach  as the locality is going to change.

As the whole topic of my conversation with them was using cfgvehicles EH init i likely misunderstood them refering that in this quote,
no drama was intended, just finding out how cfg vehicles EH init actually works, as i thought i got conflicting informations.

For that we ofc should have changed earlier to the scripting channel, as finding a workaround to the initial ugv bug is seperate from reporting it.

When i find a solution to the UGV bug, i will ofc share it. 😊👍

[solid marten]

10:14:37 Unexpected IsPlayerOnChannel 6

reproed

Really juicy bug actually

there have to be tickets it is so obvious

[gaunt depot]

Couldn't find any, only in unrelated RPTs

[solid marten]

basically custom channel markers were not sent to JIP

[gaunt depot]

oh, alright

How does it even work? You can't add JIP into radio channel until they join

No markers on custom channels for JIP ever?

[solid marten]

not to first time joined not to lobby drop ones

[gaunt depot]

Also been using custom channels for few days now, practice shows that even if I do radioChannelAdd only on server, players randomly get kicked off custom channels. Happens once every few hours, couldn't catch it myself yet but seen videos of it happening randomly.

[solid marten]

now you can if you named unit and have ai controlling it when you are not home

[gaunt depot]

Not mass kick apparently, happens mid player's life

[solid marten]

you will have to retest it after I did changes to add remove routines

[gaunt depot]

Are these changes on perf yet?

Just had a thought, maybe perf joining stable messed it up?

[solid marten]

no they won't be it is networking changes need all clients and server the same

[gaunt depot]

Didn't get it.

[solid marten]

you have option to enable disable ai in role selection right?

[gaunt depot]

Yes. We have AI disabled though.

My mission setup is following: Everyone joins as civilian Logic unit, then createGroup createUnit their own unit after they pick side in-mission, then you ask server to put your unit into custom channels.

[solid marten]

if unit doesn't exist you obviously cannot add it to channel no?

[gaunt depot]

Correct. I was wondering how custom channel markers could ever be sent to JIP players

Only if they join AI slot then?

[solid marten]

i don't get it

they are created on client if client player is on the list

[gaunt depot]

Ooh, maybe I don't understand how it works. JIP get ALL markers in game and only show ones that are in their current channels?

[solid marten]

no jip gets markers created that match condition

player being on the list is condition for custom markers

player being the leader is for command chat

etc etc

[gaunt depot]

But being a leader and in custom channel is something that changes mid game, how does it work then?

[solid marten]

that is how JIP works

[gaunt depot]

Anyway I haven't tested JIP markers on custom channels yet, maybe it all just works and I have no idea how JIP functions in regards to markers

[solid marten]

mod game != jip so there are other mechanisms

[solid marten]

I just told you they are broken

[gaunt depot]

Do you want me to write up a ticket about it?

[solid marten]

hence error message spam

yes please

[gaunt depot]

I still haven't made a ticket about my local custom channel idea, I wanted to ask you if its technically feasible at all.

If I understand it right, clients list on custom channels is basically a list of recipients of your chat and voice messages?

[solid marten]

not now please I have a lot of things to finish

[gaunt depot]

Alright

[gaunt depot]

Basic write up for now: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180034

[robust quiver]

http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=26798

[unborn acorn]

Spam
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T179776#2584914

[gray wharf]

purged, thanks

[alpine tulip]

But why they don't promote Pattaya

[alpine tulip]

I kinda thinking about control (GUI elements) filters

• colorizeR, G, B
• hue switch
• saturation
• brightness/darken
• blur
• mirror V/H
  And blend mode
• Normal
• Addition
• Substract
• Multiply
• Overlay
  or something, maybe transfer Alpha/transparency from other source is cool to have.
  I know, I know. Say is easy, do is not. a Japanese proverb told me enough, just my wish

[gaunt depot]

Have a need for this as well

At least extracting alpha from a picture

This way you could create custom shadows through ui2texture to fix poor visibility for many in-game icons

[alpine tulip]

Darken texture and blur it, call it a dropshadow

[brazen girder]

Maybe this is unimportant, then just ignore it:

It would be nice if UAV_AI (which has different simulation) still reacts to cfg "forcehide" like "forcehidedriver", as it currently ignores that in certain cases, like when not all crew seats have UAV_AI in them.

More information:
https://www.reddit.com/r/armadev/comments/7vz67h/uav_ai_dilemma_config_editing_question/

[robust quiver]

http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=26800

[solid marten]

when you say players get kicked off the channel, how does this manifest itself? Players losing access to send? receive? what happens to the units list for the channel, do they disappear from the list?

[gaunt depot]

I don't know all details yet, couldn't capture it myself yet.

Apparently you get removed from the channel and it auto switches to the next one. You no longer hear anyone and you can't send as channel cannot be selected. As for players list, no data, but apparently not everyone gets kicked.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409163515752874002/1218573874057449562/side_bug.mp4?ex=6608285b&is=65f5b35b&hm=b5b181446c8073a0ccb60b1fd249bef5619f90c2531435a126939d02263f9aa2&

Here is a video of it happening. "Side chat" here is actually a custom channel, default side chat (channel=1) is disabled.

1. Player was hearing people speak in custom channel
2. Voices stopped randomly, it auto switched to global channel
3. Cycles through all channels, custom channel (side channel) is not there
4. Goes to settings which lets you join/leave russian side channel, flips there switch which asks the server to radioChannelAdd them back into custom channel and it works, they're in custom channel again

Info so far:

1. Happens randomly, not on death or respawn
2. Channel auto deselects
3. Apparently only some players get removed from the channel, not everyone at once

All this happens in a setup where only server ever executes radioChannelAdd and radioChannelRemove, clients never do

[solid marten]

yes it was set to switch you to the next channel on the list when you are removed

[solid marten]

so this could be due to some client adding himself but instead of adding to units it overwrites, this should be fixed in future updates and can be tested on dev

[gaunt depot]

This case happened where only server ever use add/remove commands

[solid marten]

but the client was still able to overwrite

in new version client sends request to the server and server add to the list then sends new list to everyone including itself

[gaunt depot]

The one match for radioChannelAdd and radioChannelRemove, done on server side

Seems like there is some other bug that throws players out even if clients list is handled only by server 🤔

[solid marten]

but you can still execute on client if you have access

[gaunt depot]

Sure, but I don't think there is anything in the game that uses custom channels

Unless you mean there is a cheater randomly kicking players out, I don't see how this could ever happen by itself

What's interesting is that this playing was living (and in channel) for quite a while before they got kicked off, they had to buy the tank and drive to action, they definitely shouldn't be first or last entry in that list

Something related to groups breaking maybe?

When server adds new client to the list, maybe it validates existing ones?

[solid marten]

in order to get added removed there has to be a message I will have a look at simulation in case it has some sort of cleaning that could cause it, but really this should be tested on the new build

[gaunt depot]

Since this happens fairly rarely (once every few hours), we won't be able to properly test until everyone updates to new version to have enough players to test.

This is the only place where client even asks server to add or remove itself from custom channels

You always only ask to add yourself into _side_channel, never ask to get removed from it.

Yet player got randomly kicked from it mid gameplay somehow 🤔

Option one: You get added to custom channel 1 and 2
Option two: You get added to custom channel 1 and removed from 2
Gameplay: You get randomly kicked from channel 1

Feels like some deeper MP bug somewhere 🤔

[dusky wigeon]

Are these things happening without mods?

[solid marten]

phew Finally made it sync JIP custom radio markers properly with joining player

so if you have AI enabled and added AI unit which is placeholder for player to the channel, players joining into that slot will see markers on this channel

[gaunt depot]

So wont work for me then

[sleek scaffold]

Is it a known and accepted thing that:

• If a player unit has a custom texture set by the mission maker for example:

this spawn {sleep 2; _this setObjectTexture [0, "g_orange_kakhi.paa"];};```

And the player uses the Arsenal UI with for example:

["Open", true] spawn BIS_fnc_arsenal

It resets the player's uniform textures to the vanilla textures of the uniform?

[gaunt depot]

Its arsenal re-adding the uniform

[sinful kettle]

does he just open the arsenal or also selects a new uniform?

[sleek scaffold]

Just opens it

[sleek scaffold]

Maybe Arsenal shouldn't re-add the uniform on load automatically unless the player clicks on another uniform? And do a getObjectTexture on load and try to re apply the custom texture if the uniform did not change when closed from what it was when the UI was opened?

[gaunt depot]

You can script that

[sleek scaffold]

ArsenalOpenEH?

[gray wharf]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Scripted_Event_Handlers#BIS_fnc_arsenal

[sleek scaffold]

Thanks, will use that 😉

[solid marten]

what won't work?

[gaunt depot]

we have ai disabled, lobby slots are civilian logic units

[solid marten]

yeah so what won't work?

[gaunt depot]

getting markers for custom channels for JIP players

If I understood you right

[solid marten]

if you give me rough repro I can test and make sure it works

[solid marten]

is that a yes?

[gaunt depot]

I'll make you a repro to test it for my case

[outer frigate]

is there any reason preproc support cannot be added for rvmats? you can do it through cmd with cfgconvert so wondering if theres a technical reason or just nobody's bothered yet

[alpine tulip]

They should do. What's your usage?

[outer frigate]

speeding up importing things by bulk

wait i may be thinking of relative classes that dont work in rvmats

[stone tree]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/p/jessica2024/

Spam account

[desert trench]

Fault address: 2E5CD3E4 01:0009C3E4ll C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll
Prev. code bytes: 20 00 00 00 F6 04 25 08 03 FE 7F 01 75 03 0F 05
Fault code bytes: C3 CD 2E C3 0F 1F 84 00 00 00 00 00 4C 8B D1 B8

worth to drop frozen.mdmp on FT with this?

could be related to our EMM extension fetching servers given the rpt context

[gray wharf]

crazy suggestion, but what about having (removed) TKOH options in A3?
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki?title=Arma_3:_Difficulty_Settings&diff=prev&oldid=96711
this would imply solo / server settings changes

[alpine tulip]

Do you mean, uh, re-introduce aerodynamic things?

[gray wharf]

rough landing, wind effects, auto-trim, stress damage yeah 🙂

[ember flint]

can we bring back Super AI as well?

[ember flint]

Spam in https://feedback.bistudio.com/T124694

[desert trench]

this was just max AI skills, was it not? aka can be easily done via sqf too

[exotic pelican]

Bug in Arma 3 editor?

• Go into 2D view (by pressing m)
• Move camera by clicking the middle mouse button (dragging the camera icon doesn't cause the issue in question)
• Try rotating the camera with shift click
• Camera moves back to where it originally was before you middle-click teleported it
• Going back into 3D view and then back into 2D view fixes this though for each time you need to do it

[azure crane]

Who rotates camera with shift click?

[near cedar]

ahh on the 2D map view

damn i didn't know that was possible 🙀

[west onyx]

wasnt AI spot distance nerfed in tha tac ops dlc patch?

[gaunt depot]

@solid marten https://feedback.bistudio.com/file/download/dhatpsl3ivkaczumn45s/PHID-FILE-z2l27ak7tc4m4ubnb5ac/CC_JIP_Markers_repro.VR.rar
Made a repro

Can't test your fix as its not deployed yet

In repro you start as civilian, then selectPlayer createUnit a BLUFOR unit and then join a custom channel

[solid marten]

Yeah doesnt sync markers

[gaunt depot]

OWNER syncMarkers CHANNEL SE command?

So they can be script-synced when needed

[gaunt depot]

@solid marten

cc = radioChannelCreate [[0.96, 0.34, 0.13, 1], "Custom channel", "%UNIT_GRP_NAME (%UNIT_NAME)", [], false];
cc radioChannelAdd [player];
diag_log(radioChannelInfo cc select 3);
deleteVehicle player;
diag_log(radioChannelInfo cc select 3);

=>

21:47:53 [B Alpha 1-2:1 (Sa-Matra)]
21:47:53 []

So deleteVehicle player actually deletes something, fucks up something over network so that custom channel no longer sees the player?

Wonder what other bugs this causes if it does

[gaunt depot]

Doing deleteVehicle on remote player also removes that player from radio channel

It re-adds back properly though

[solid marten]

no why script synced

[solid marten]

what do you mean

[gaunt depot]

deleteVehicle player ends up removing player from radio channel

[solid marten]

ah yeh this is probably the cause of strange removal

it should remove units that are on the channel and deleted it has been fixed as well

but yeah looks like the cause of that bug

i will make it proper sync markers on add remove from channel just need to find where is the best place to put

[gaunt depot]

How does deleteVehicle does anything if it can't delete active player unit though?

Is there a specific action to remove unit from radio channel within command?

[solid marten]

it was removing real player from channel and then aborting because of bug

look we need to sync the testing as well, because there were fixes

[gaunt depot]

Thought maybe deleteVehicle player messed something up over the network, causing unit to be deleted from radio channel

[solid marten]

no i just told you it removed player unit from the channel then aborted because you can't delete player

now it aborts straight away

[gaunt depot]

But yeah, I guess something somewhere tries to delete player and thats how they get removed from radio channel, mystery solved

[sleek scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/unsolved-mysteries-the-ufo-files-mysteries-title-gif-12279223

the "Arma Files" 👽

[unborn acorn]

Please fix this small config issue
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T178139

[gaunt depot]

Matter of a fact, with such setup everyone sees civilian side markers for normal side channel

I guess there needs to be a way to swap markers when your side changes, probably through script of mission config setting, for backwards compatibility

[solid marten]

you mean when you select player into blufor they still see civilian markers?

for backwards compatibility
you are not supposed to have access to markers you shouldnt have access to, there is no backward incompatibility, it is a bug

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, new markers are also civilian

basically it uses lobby slot side for everything, regardless of your actual side

[solid marten]

it is not, it just doesnt delete markers you have on your client when you change side and doesnt create markers that are on your new side

the marker control is done via create delete this is why you have local version of marker commands and thats why global marker command sync everything

[gaunt depot]

Using same marker repro

Player 1: Two markers placed, one as civ, another as BLUFOR.
Player 2: Sees only one marker. Joining BLUFOR keeps civ marker, no BLUFOR marker

Player 2: Rejoins, sees both markers, one placed as Civ by Player 1, another as BLUFOR as Player 1

Looks like it broadcasts marker as BLUFOR (actual side) but saves it for JIP as Civilian (lobby side)?

[solid marten]

its jip sync it works but was broken for custom. JIP is fine it is dynamic syncing that is...absent

broken for custom ...well technically it didnt exist either

[gaunt depot]

Fine as long as you never change your side from your lobby side

Not sure what's the best way to solve it, have client request all markers each time they change side, or all custom channel markers each time they join/leave custom channel?

[solid marten]

both

[gaunt depot]

Considering the fact that you get removed from custom channel each time you die, won't it be too excessive to have server send you ton of markers each respawn?

[solid marten]

tonnes? how many?

[gaunt depot]

Yeah I'm exaggerating I guess, doubt it will be more than 100 markers or something

Unless somebody does a polyline painting somewhere off map

still not that much data

[solid marten]

nothing

[alpine tulip]

Sometimes I wonder, why/what is the condition to detect a synchronized object in-game (not in-Eden)? Even if in Eden it can successfully connect an object to an object, synchronizedObjects does not return anything if the object is e.g. a prop?

I know Eden connection is somewhat different with regular and old synchronization way, it actually confuses me why it doesn't work or why it is designed like this

[gray wharf]

I suppose for performance reason it only checks for "alive" units + waypoints, hence Modules having to be Logics

[alpine tulip]

But it still is very confusing because you can sync in Eden but not in game

Very unreasonable IMO

[alpine tulip]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180136
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180137
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180138
Spammed three wishes

[gray wharf]

removed spam, thanks

[alpine tulip]

[unborn acorn]

Vehicle commander can have issues with his weapon and Smoke Screens in some cases on dedicated server with full-player crew
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180141

[desert trench]

group eventhandlers dont fire when the player order 'combat' 'safe' 'stealth' etc
is this considered a bug/worth to make a ticket for?

[limpid rune]

meaning this one:
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Event_Handlers#CombatModeChanged

only seems to trigger from auto combat

and waypoints I believe, but command menu doesnt

[regal nimbus]

Command menu only sets unit behaviour, not group behaviour IIRC.

[gray wharf]

new record! don't think I'll ever beat that one

[strong salmon]

Is that how long the account was active before being deleted or how long since it was created ?

[gray wharf]

created → banned

[strong salmon]

That's short indeed
Very short

[gray wharf]

https://tenor.com/bvD5A.gif

[valid ice]

Some vanilla factions wipe out parent inheritances (MAN, CAMANBASE) for stuff like EventHandlers (Looters - Contact, Syndikat - APEX, FIA - Vanilla) down the line.

Is this documented somewhere?

Was testing yesterday but seems to only happen with Greenfor units, not sure about other sides/factions, as Vanilla Blue and Red units were not affected.
I can see why CBA has its own function for that after all.

[uncut briar]

Is this documented somewhere?
not really, it's just bad code on BI side. Some story units have broken inheritance too.

https://github.com/CBATeam/CBA_A3/blob/master/addons/xeh/CfgVehicles.hpp

[tight wren]

So, I just discovered an issue within the vehicle respawn module, that any vehicle of any type which has been synced to the module, is teleported to debug corner upon destruction.

How to reproduce:
Be on the latest arma 3 version 2.16

1. go to eden and place down a helicopter, tank, wheeled, car or boat.
2. place the module: Vehicle Respawn (ModuleRespawnVehicle_F) in the mission.
3. Sync the vehicle to the module
4. set the following parameters (I haven't tried if other parameters change the behavior other than the wreck parameter)

• delay is empty
• Deserted Distance is set to 1500
• Tickets is left empty
• Expression is left empty
• Position: starting position
• Position selection: Oldest
• Wreck: Can be both preserve or Delete or Delete with an explosion effect.
• Notification: Enabled
• Forced Respawn: Disabled
• Respawn when disabled: Disabled.

5. Place a player slot in the mission.

6. set up a way to destroy the vehicle either from a trigger on radio command. Or just spawn an A.I. from zeus with a rocket launcher.

7. Set the player slot up in such a way that it also has zeus access through a game master module.

8. Start playing the mission.

9. Destroy the vehicle and watch how its teleported instantly to the debug corner.

10. bonus: if lucky, the helicopter now gets stuck in a perpetual loop of spawn, take damage, be destroyed, respawn within 10 seconds. and it begins from the start.

I attached an rpt file in a zip file.
I have no crash dump.
Link to a video about the bug on my yt. it can be found through the following url:
https://youtu.be/4-DA_1urPAA

Another issue? I am not sure if this is part of the same issue or if this is something entirely different. Though the reproduction method is the same.
https://youtu.be/TTSfsQQMNds
During the testing of this, I had no mods loaded.

[limpid rune]

Posting this to bring attention to it https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180184

It's similar to a previous ticket I made:
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T175562

but I hope it's easier to implement as I think it would be a massive boon to people making 3d scopes in arma

[valid ice]

update:
Narrowed the 2 base classes that wipe EH inheritances from camanbase:

I_soldier_base_F
I_G_soldier_base_F

If you properly redefine the EH on those 2 classes and on camanbase all the units in the vanilla game properly inherit again.

This affects quite a few units actually, basically all the ones that use randomized headwear in GreenFOR side

[azure crane]

does this mean a thing is fixed?

[regal nimbus]

In theory :P

[fading tulip]

when inside of a building submerged in water during rain, the rain sound shader will take priority over the house interior filter. Water inside of a structure makes the sound of the outside rain sound as if it was ignoring the structure altogether and going through it landing on the water inside, e.g. same as if standing outside. When distancing from water, the interior filter starts to apply. The rain also sounds louder when inside the structure in this case too.

[near cedar]

So in BIS_fnc_fireSupportVirtual, there is a call to say3D with default parameters. The trouble is, that the sound played has a radius of 100m. The shells by default are created at 250m and have a speed of 150m/s. As a result, you can hardly hear the sound play properly. The sound is 3s long, the shell flight time is 1.6s.

This leads to a suboptimal effect when using the function with default parameters, or while using Zeus fire support which i think also uses the function (because the sound cuts of there too)

I had good results with making the shell spawn at 75m with a speed of 25m/s, but might be good to change the defaults?

[unborn acorn]

Some say3D execution in vanilla scripts have issue when params are not written when executing a command (e.g. if audibly radius is more or less than 100m)

Just needs to add are necessary parameters (taken from the configuration of the SfgSounds sound class) when exec say3D

Same for jets ejection sound https://feedback.bistudio.com/T174022

[near cedar]

Well I don't change the say3D in the function, just the shell spawn height and speed, and the sound plays correctly. So in this case i don't think it's the say3D itself is a problem, just how it interacts with the shell's timing. The mortar sounds used by default are 3s long, so the shell needs to be falling for that long, and players should be close enough to hear it

[devout wave]

The radius is also the problem, because the sound is played from the shell itself as soon as it spawns (250 metres in the air). With the radius being 100m, for the first 150m of the shell's descent, it's too far away for the sound to be heard.

[near cedar]

well yeah true that way it is also a problem. I worked around it by spawning the shell at 75m, since BIS_fnc_fireSupportVirtual doesn't expose the audibility radius, just the sound files/class names themselves. Maybe it should expose the var, along with setting the radius of the say3D call in the function to 250m and reducing the fall speed to 83.3m/s.

(But either way you want the sound heard for 3s, which can be achieved with or without modifying the sound radius)

[gaunt depot]

Fall damage on units gets attributed to lastEntityCausingDamage by the engine

Is this a recent change or it was always like this?

[gaunt depot]

Collision from objects too

So basically if unit was shot by another unit and that unit then falls or gets hit by a car or some physics object, all damage will be attributed to shot instigator for some time, including subsequent death from that collision

But not to context>2 (fake) event handlers

I feel like 80% of me developing is building crutches around undocumented and unasked for engine bullshit

[gaunt depot]

Fire (particle) damage doesn't

[rare zephyr]

I encountered a bug last night where players got desynced in player-hosted Multiplayer. After leaving a vehicle, the player leaving it would seemingly stay inside the vehicle on the other players screens. If the player got into another vehicle and left it, another body of that player would stay in that vehicle on the other players screens.
I haven't looked further into it yet, is that a known thing that can happen or should i try to reproduce it?

It happened in 2 separate sessions with different hosts btw

[solid marten]

test it in previous version

[solid marten]

what version? Unless it is reprored on latest dev it is not good to us as it could have been fixed already

[paper lava]

Is that bug in this file? functions_f\modules\fn_moduleinit.sqf for line 29 that having extra backslash at the end

_isPersistent = getnumber (configfile >> "cfgvehicles" >> _logicType >> "isPersistent") > 0 || getnumber (configfile >> "cfgvehicles" >> _logicType >> "isGlobal") > 1;\
_is3DEN = getnumber (configfile >> "cfgvehicles" >> _logicType >> "is3DEN") > 0;

[gray wharf]

is it in a #DEFINE?

[paper lava]

just switch, no define/preprocessor marco

[daring wagon]

Looks like a leftover.

[rare zephyr]

Stable 2.16

[near cedar]

Not mine but looks useful:

High command needs a "GET IN " and "TRANSPORT UNLOAD" OPTION https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180240

[gleaming dawn]

Running also into the same issue today on a dedicated server of mine - latest Perf. version (2.16.151648)

Can't test it on dev sadly right now

[solid marten]

I'll check looks wrong

Yeah this is fine preprocessor removes it

[solid marten]

There were no changes in 2.16 in this regards but there were some changes in 2.18 so it has to be reproduced on dev branch

[outer frigate]

bumping dis because i just remembered about it would be veri nice

[unborn acorn]

Just found a third duplication of sound shaders in weapon configuration. Leading to double triggering of sounds for Katiba, SPAR, and Mk200
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T178139#2589058

[paper lava]

Bug #1 functions_f\modules\fn_moduleinit.sqf

_isPersistent = getnumber (configfile >> "cfgvehicles" >> _logicType >> "isPersistent") > 0 || getnumber (configfile >> "cfgvehicles" >> _logicType >> "isGlobal") > 1;\

Bug #2 functions_f\systems\fn_supplydrop.sqf

case 0: {_paraName = format["Parachute%1",_side],;}; //ParachuteMediumEast or ParachuteMediumWest not "FLY" (that spawns 150 m above ground) }; 

Bug #3 functions_f\variables\fn_variablespaceadd.sqf

if (isnull _object) exitwith {debuglog "Log: [variableSpaceAdd] ERROR: Null object! %1", [_variablename, _element, _global, _check]};

Bug #4 functions_f_contact\drone\fn_returnmattermodule.sqf

private

[daring wagon]

The first one is irrelevant, but I guess you want it fixed for some sqf parser or so?

[paper lava]

Nah, just letting anyone here know about the bug exist, not even sure if those function was used in any other place

[solid marten]

doesnt seem those are breaking the game

[desert trench]

good report! did you make a ticket?

[tight wren]

Affirm!

[desert trench]

the bad EH definitions are annoying, but fixing those now may lead to mods breaking/reintroducing the problem. personally i would still go with fixing it. is there a ticket about those? pretty sure there is/was one for the civilian one

[desert trench]

should be possible to compute the _maxDistance for say3d from the _altitude parameter of the function - just needs someone to update the fuction. time for a community upgrade project again 😉

imho BI should just put all configs and scripts on github and let ppl submit patches (plus hire someone to review the submissions and merge - so Dedmen/KK/reyhard can focus on engine/more complex work)

[Feature Request] Add eventhandler for issuing squad commands
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180298

to account for unit state changes not handled by the group EHs (plus such EH would have a lot of additional utility)

[valid ice]

i dont remember seeing anything specific and didnt create one myself

[alpine tulip]

So... I recalled that AI weapon/turret sway is a thing for EVERY situations, even if it is meant to be an unmanned/computer-driven turret, like CIWS or such. Can we have a favor to... like, at least setSkill way to stop sway?

[strong salmon]

For players I know there is a mod that does it (remove sway) but individually or depending specific situation idk

[alpine tulip]

Yeah removing from player is very possible and easy

But nobody wants to see a CIWS that is handled by a human operator who has trepidation

[daring wagon]

Do you mean them overshooting the target when they first aim at it?

[alpine tulip]

Yeah

[daring wagon]

Happens for tanks as well..very annoying

Would be neat to actually aim any turret via scripting.

[alpine tulip]

Actually, just realized Scorcher (NATO SPG) main turret has no such issue

...As far as I can tell

[daring wagon]

Maybe because it's artillery. No clue.

[alpine tulip]

But Mk45 Hammer does have, which is also an arty

[daring wagon]

Hmm ok

[alpine tulip]

maxHorizontalRotSpeed maxVerticalRotSpeed could be the issue actually. As far as I can tell turrets with < 1 has no such overshoot

[devout wave]

I think the AI handles turret traverse a bit more like an actual turret rather than like mouse aim, and they hold it at full traverse speed until it's on target, rather than slowing down as they approach the target. So it's not sway/accuracy error but rather a flaw in how the AI aims.
Would be nice to fix but maybe a big change to how it works.

[alpine tulip]

Yup seems like socpp class CfgVehicles { class Tank; class Tank_F: Tank { class Turrets; }; class MBT_01_base_F: Tank_F { class Turrets: Turrets { class MainTurret; }; }; class MBT_01_arty_base_F: MBT_01_base_F { class Turrets: Turrets { class MainTurret: MainTurret { maxHorizontalRotSpeed = 0.1; maxVerticalRotSpeed = 0.1; }; }; }; }; This won't repro the issue, make maxHorizontalRotSpeed and other bigger, it does the overshoot

It actually look like a PID overshoot issue

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HbhOUUAPvM4
I just want this smooth'n'fast turret 😩

[gusty prairie]

Hello guys! Is there any news regarding https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180288 ticket?
thank you in advance!

Seems like something has changed in 2.16, because we have faced some new issues with Battle Eye now 😦

[solid marten]

and without BatlEye?

[gusty prairie]

without BattleEye we cannot reproduce this issue

[solid marten]

Interesting, dont think we had BE changes in between

[gusty prairie]

in 2.14 it has been worked well. So we had to downgrade to 2.14 😦

[daring wagon]

Yeah we all do😢

With tanks it's even worse. Ai shoots before actually pointing at the target. And with like 20 seconds reload time that's pretty bad. Make commanding a tank a pain.

[outer frigate]

i just want setProxyModel so i can do modular vest 😦

[alpine tulip]

I thought proxy in proxy is actually not possible except in a very few special cases?

[outer frigate]

you can proxy onto vests so shrimply change model of proxy to Things on it

[outer frigate]

in attributes for waypoints in init, Identified looks like it should be Identifier?

[alpine tulip]

What's more important is, Identified doesn't even work

[gaunt depot]

Is there an approximate ETA for 2.18?

[azure crane]

soon ™️

[near cedar]

OTOH feels like something that gives players a chance to shoot back?

[gaunt depot]

Is it worth it asking to remove that built-in shadow from Arma 2 item icons? Its really ugly when used alongside non-shadowed A3 icons. I can do the removal myself too. Pictured: huge shadow on grenade icon.

[rugged nova]

Pretty sure everyone besides a few mods has a shadow on icons/items. That would also change the look and feel for Vanilla Arma 3 so I don't think it will get done.

[gaunt depot]

Only A2 icons have these large built-in shadows, A3 icons don't

A3 gun, A3 sight, A2 grenade icon

[rugged nova]

I see.

[fresh hawk]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180338
The "SlotItemChanged" EH is partially broken when setUnitLoadout is used

[solid marten]

I'll have a look

[fresh hawk]

I should have specified: I'm using the latest profiling branch

[solid marten]

it was added back with 2.14 so doesn't really matter, hasnt been touched since

[sacred river]

Is it possible to create a server.cfg entry for BattlEye Query Timeout? Currently it seems to be hardcoded to around 2 minutes. And for reasons, weaker computers take some more time to connect to Servers and with heavy modset they are getting Query Timeouts more often.

[gaunt depot]

f = {diag_log text (diag_frameno toFixed 0)};
call f;
0 remoteExecCall ["f", 2];
```=>

12:56:44 361233
12:56:44 361236

I'm trying to track engine events through RE and because of this delay RE arrives frame later than engine event actually happens.

[gaunt depot]

(Trying to make sense of EPE damage, sadly remote crew engine collision damage arrives 2 frames earlier than my RE notification)

If only RE wasn't skipping frames I'd have it working correctly

[solid marten]

to increase?

What is your value of 'disconnectTimeout' in server config?

Anyway I suggest to log the disconnects with available server tools first and see why this is happening

Arma 3 logo black.png
1.56
maxdesync = 150;    unknown    Max desync value until server kick the user    
Arma 3 logo black.png
1.56
maxping= 200;    unknown    Max ping value until server kick the user    
Arma 3 logo black.png
1.56
maxpacketloss= 50;    unknown    Max packetloss value until server kick the user    
Arma 3 logo black.png
1.56
kickClientsOnSlowNetwork[] = { 0, 0, 0, 0 };    unknown    Defines if {<MaxPing>, <MaxPacketLoss>, <MaxDesync>, <DisconnectTimeout>} will be logged (0) or kicked (1)    
Arma 3 logo black.png
1.56```
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Server_Config_File

[desert trench]

arent these unrelated to BE timeout?

[solid marten]

Why are we talking about BE?

Ah wait re-read the post, well BE is BE

[desert trench]

Dwarden might know more. may not be possible to have BE read from (arma game) files

[solid marten]

Yeah, if this is handled by BE we have very limited say in it

[desert trench]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/BattlEye#Server

there might be an existing interface, but would at least also have BE adjust their API and allow adjustment of the timeout

[solid marten]

Dwarden would know more about it

[regal nimbus]

Couldn't you adjust Arma to not have so much network-silent time?

Although I guess battleye has its own keepalive in another thread? Not sure why it'd go missing for two minutes.

[azure crane]

is there a reason why Huron can't slingload any HEMTT other than the transport ones? I remember that back in the day it was capable of transporting even tanks so it's carryweight should be around 70t(?) but somehow I cannot slingload a flatbed truck or even the one with no trailer

[sacred river]

Yes to increase the value. At least if its possible. From your answers it seems to be either yes or no. Hope Dwarden knows more.

[solid marten]

Ok let me understand this, the problem is with player setUnitLoadout getUnitLoadout player as it detects removal but not addition right? Not sure what can be done about the different timing between CBA and this EH, engine does what egine does

draging manually from and to inventory correctly triggers everything for me and so is using linkItem/unlinkItem command. I can confirm that setunitloadout might not work as expected with this EH, is this correct?

[gusty prairie]

hello guys! regarding our task https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180288
we have attached wrong report, but since the error is not leading to crash (and we're not able to create a following report) here's steppes we've done:

We're starting the server without mods. Mission on the Virtual Reality map without scripts and objects, signature checking disabled, battleye is enabled.
Then we launch ARMA v2.16 with CBA mod enabled (battleye enabled)
Then joining the server and kicking player with server-side command []spawn{uisleep 2; "pswrd" serverCommand "#kick 4"}

We go to the main menu and try to enter the editor.
If you select a VR map, ARMA freezes immediately. When selecting other maps, a loading screen appears, the slider reaches the end and also freezes

Thank you in advance

PS. When we do the same on 2.14 - it's all ok.
PPS. If we turn off BattleEye (on 2.16) - everything works fine

[sacred river]

I saw similar issues while doing stuff on my Exile Test Server. I join the Server 1st time without problems, then I kill the task via Powershell. As soon as the Server started up and unlocked I joined it and whoop, game froze while loading and I had to kill it via Task Manager. When I joined then everything is fine.

[gusty prairie]

Has it been started recently, or you have this error earlier?

[sacred river]

Saw it first after 2.16 actually, also some slower loading screens after that update.

[fresh hawk]

Pretty much.
If the order of linking and unlinking corresponds to what actually happens in game, I don‘t really care if it‘s earlier or later than CBA‘s stuff.
I‘m not sure how well backpacks are handled in general, as it detected the removal but not the addition of a backpack when using the Vanilla arsenal. I didn‘t change the backpack though, so I assume it‘s the arsenal script that sets the loadout when leaving the arsenal.
Thanks for looking into it!

[solid marten]

the EH fires at the end of both linking and unlinking method so it is consistent in this regard

[regal nimbus]

This replication method is a pain in the arse but it does work. CBA not on server but on client does appear to be a requirement.

Shutting down the server rather than kicking the clients works.

[gaunt depot]

I'd love to also have custom icons for vehicles. I'm turning Gorgon into unarmed APC by hiding its turret (why its not a separate vehicle in vanilla config already?), would love to be able to set it a custom icon along with custom name.

Doing that through scripts where possible but having it also work on in game UI would be great

[near cedar]

Having turretless versions in vanilla would be nice yeah

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, all 3 vanilla APCs support it too

no model changes needed, only config

new icons perhaps, but that's easy too

One issue though, Marshall has flag on its turret which also gets hidden

Easy new content

Speaking of flag, I wish there was standalone flag object that you can forceFlagTexture

Also isn't flag is still hardcoded to wave at like 30 FPS? I wonder how easy it would be to increase it on higher LOD

[solid marten]

flagpole

[gaunt depot]

Its a huge metal rod

[solid marten]

its a standalone object

[gaunt depot]

I was talking about invisible object that you can make display a flag

no pole or anything, just a proxy for engine-driven flag

So you can position it/attach to other objects to have the flag exactly where you need it

[gray wharf]

can you setObjectTexture the flagpole for it to be transparent 😄

[gaunt depot]

Nope, tried that

Would still retain its geometry though

[gray wharf]

and shadow iirc

[gaunt depot]

Yeah

Sadly forceFlagTexture doesn't work with simple objects so I can't make such flag-only object myself

[gray wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-the-builder-gif-21863917

[devout wave]

It would be very useful to have these as true variants, but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't happen given how reluctant BI is to make the hidden variants of stuff available. Rotators made their own unarmed Marid for WS, maybe they'll do the others in a WS or RF update.

[gaunt depot]

Not sure if they're reluctant, probably not caring enough.

[stone tree]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/p/immediatealora/

Spam account

[gray wharf]

nuked

[solid marten]

Yeah, pure money grabbers already to their next game

[gaunt depot]

Gonna request a refund

[gray wharf]

Steam guy laughing seeing a refund request land after 10k+ hours gametime

[gaunt depot]

Do you think Steam will let me?

[gray wharf]

it's barely fifteen thousand times too much but hey, worth a try

[gaunt depot]

I'll say it didn't work past the title screen

[gray wharf]

"it's launcher time, I didn't play!!"

[solid marten]

crashed continuously for 48 months

[strong salmon]

gotta respect that kind of dedication tho 😂

for 4 years straight : IT. WILL. WORK.

[gaunt depot]

Titan AA and AT icons have slight non-transparent backgrounds under them

Not a thing with other vanilla weapons

[limpid rune]

death by firing squad for those responsible

[gaunt depot]

Cancel the game

Wondering if this is worth reporting. I can fix the icons myself, but will it get updated in the game?

[gaunt depot]

Speaking of icons, I really wish they would be all re-rendered, they're so dark

[gaunt depot]

What I was trying to do: When a vehicle crashes into something and fires EPEContactStart, I notify all remote crew units that their vehicle crashed so I can associate their crash damage to crash event. Sadly actual engine damage arrives 2 frames earlier than scripted RE sent right from EPEContactStart event handler. Here is that 2 frames wasted distance seen by remote crew.

Frame 56517: Killed Both: B_Soldier_F
["B Alpha 1-3:1 (Sa-Matra (2)) (B_Soldier_F)","<NULL-object> ()","<NULL-object> ()",true]

Frame 56519: remoteExec EPE-EVENT: B_Soldier_F!
createHashMapFromArray [
     ["collider", 21c6ed66b00# 1669742: u_addon_02_v1_f.p3d (Land_u_Addon_02_V1_F)]
    ,["until", 410.234]
    ,["vehicle", B Alpha 1-2:1 (Sa-Matra) REMOTE (C_Hatchback_01_sport_F)]
    ,["hash_array", [
         "#epe-crash"
        ,B Alpha 1-2:1 (Sa-Matra) REMOTE (C_Hatchback_01_sport_F)
        ,B Alpha 1-2:1 (Sa-Matra) REMOTE (B_Soldier_F)
    ]]
]
```Looks like engine damage travels instantly while remoteExec wastes 2 frames somewhere.

(Killed Both is Killed EH that unit died from a crash, unattributed to anything)

Not sure if this is fixable, but if it is, I'd be useful to me

[solid marten]

what about mp event handlers do you use those?

[gaunt depot]

I think MPKilled is executed 1 frame earlier?

Still its remoteExec that is the issue, it has delay of several frames

[gaunt depot]

From what I gathered it is:

Frame 1: MPKilled
Frame 1: EntityKilled (Server)
Frame 2: Killed (Owner)
Frame 4: RemoteExec sent at the same time as death happened

Honestly a proper solution would be an event handler for collision damage or finally an attribution of collision damage properly instead of to null entities

[solid marten]

is this on dev?

[outer frigate]

how much would i have to beg to get an option to disable modelsides stuff

[regal nimbus]

You mean the thing that blocks picking up enemy uniforms?

[outer frigate]

yes

[regal nimbus]

Might be a good thing for setMissionOptions but I don't know if there are ideological objections.

[solid marten]

21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"ItemCompass",609,false]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"ItemWatch",610,false]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"ItemRadio",611,false]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"ItemGPS",612,false]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"NVGoggles",616,false]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"G_Spectacles",603,false]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"H_HelmetB_grass",605,false]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"Rangefinder",617,false]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"U_B_CombatUniform_mcam",801,false]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"V_PlateCarrier1_rgr",701,false]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"B_AssaultPack_mcamo_Ammo",901,false]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"ItemMap",608,true]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"ItemCompass",609,true]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"ItemWatch",610,true]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"ItemRadio",611,true]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"ItemGPS",612,true]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"NVGoggles",616,true]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"G_Spectacles",603,true]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"H_HelmetB_grass",605,true]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"U_B_CombatUniform_mcam",801,true]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"V_PlateCarrier1_rgr",701,true]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"B_AssaultPack_mcamo_Ammo",901,true]
21:18:11 [B Alpha 1-1:1 (KK_DEV),"Rangefinder",617,true]```

will try to get it into prof as well

[gaunt depot]

Pretty sure its been the same for years

[solid marten]

what I meant was did you test it on dev?

[gaunt depot]

No I didn't, all tests done on latest stable

What do you think can be different there? remoteExec behaviour changed?

[solid marten]

dev has changes which may or may not be related but I guess the only way to find out is to wait for the next stable

[alpine tulip]

I know you have no responsibility anymore but gotta report this anyways: @sinful kettlesqf a switchmove "HubStanding_idle1" and call something like sqf a switchMove ["AmovPercMstpSrasWrflDnon",0,0,false]makes the unit animation dead-end, it stuck at AmovPercMstpSrasWrflDnon and without any script input it stays as is, regardless of anything. Regular (older) syntax or ["",0,1,false] won't repro this
["Arma 3","Arma3",217,151641,"Diag",true,"Windows","x64"]

I was nearly sure there was no such issue when was introduced... but hey, the issue is there

Sidenote, there was no script involved other than those lines. No disableAI either

[sleek scaffold]

he's no longer an A3 dev? 😭

[alpine tulip]

No

[sleek scaffold]

💔, and my whole week goes to ruin. Not only he was going to fix the animation transitions which are broken for holstering with a pistol but he also had many amazing things in the oven... and I guess no only will continue those 😢

But he is still at BI right? Moved to Reforger/A4... BI can't be losing talent right now

[alpine tulip]

No

It's been weeks or months since he left his very short intern

[ember flint]

Iirc he was just on a contract but that's just what I heard

[uncut briar]

Also leo was never mainly working on A3 iirc. His A3 stuff was just a bonus work AFAIK.

[sinful kettle]

I'm gonna say it's not a bug 😅

the problem is the interpolation time

I'm gonna guess because the move is static

[sinful kettle]

yeah

[sinful kettle]

that one is just a simple config fix tho. you don't need to be a dev to fix it 😉

[sinful kettle]

nvm I found the issue. it's related to move variants (I hate those)
I'll send the details to Dedmen

[solid marten]

dedmen fired him

[sleek scaffold]

I trust Leopard's wisdom. If he left then it was the best for him and that is all I need to know, I am still sad thou but I will get over it eventually, or if he left to do his own CDLC then it is all forgiven 😅

[solid marten]

for not washing coffee cups after himself

[sleek scaffold]

🤣 aren't most of you homeoffice anyway?

[devout wave]

Huh. I assumed it was because of the laws about keeping exotic animals

[solid marten]

in the cup

[sleek scaffold]

I hope you guys are not doing a late Aprils fools on me... 😒

[sleek scaffold]

That is my fear, that if we can't get a simple config fixed in the game then how can we ask for complex fixes? I guess that if a CDLC dev asks for it we might get it

[outer frigate]

you are very gaslightable

[outer frigate]

Looter clothes in contact DLC doesn't have the shemagh assigned as selection in the viewpilot lod, is it possible to get it fixed or is no model stuff happening any more?

[daring wagon]

["IsSpectator", [player]] call BIS_fnc_EGSpectator
Seems to be broken.

params [["_object", objNull, [objNull]]];
should be

_params params [["_object", objNull, [objNull]]];

Otherwise it accesses the mode which is "isSpectator"

If worth a ticket, let me know.

[solid marten]

sure there will be some data fixes for 2.18 so might as well

[alpine tulip]

Ahh, I think I see the logic there. Using that switchMove and playMoveNow makes the animation state nicely

[solid marten]

@gaunt depot Revision: 151686 should sync custom radio markers with units on the channel

i.e. when unit is added the markers are created, when unit is removed, markers are deleted

[unborn acorn]

When player uses a bipods, other players will not be able to hear the bipod sound
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180412

[daring wagon]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180413

[gaunt depot]

Really need something like this so I can procedurally turn weapon icons into full white icons. All vanilla A3 weapon icons SUCK! Lots of padding, very dark, impossible to display without bright background yet game's UI theme has black background!

Looks okay-ish on a bright sky

Good luck seeing anything during the night

Or if it was on black background UI

Really could use a procedural texture or something to only use texture alpha with rest of components being full so its white

Thought about adding a white rectange under the icons, looks horrible

#(rgb,128,64,3)alpha('\A3\weapons_F\Rifles\MX\data\UI\gear_mx_rifle_X_CA.paa') Something like this?

=>

With this you could make a procedural texture that would place white versions into 8 directions around full color one to build custom white outline! (shadow=2 doesn't support colors, shadow=1 can't be colored white if icon is dark)

Thanks For Coming To My TED Talk

Sorry for wall of text

[desert trench]

possible to get https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/inRangeOfArtillery to support pylon based weapons/magazines please?

internally there should be enough functions to make use of. ie from:
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/getAllPylonsInfo
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/getPylonMagazines
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ammoOnPylon
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/getCompatiblePylonMagazines

[sacred river]

do you have any new information about a possible server.cfg config entry for increasing the timer until BE Query Timeout appears?

[alpine tulip]

I seriously still think having a filter to a control is more better way, reliable, comprehensive and straightforward, not a procedural texture like you suggest.

If we ever get such thing!

[gaunt depot]

RscPicture properties?

ST_PICTURE*

[alpine tulip]

At least Picture, but it also seems to be a very nice thing to overlay anything, even a BG

[gaunt depot]

What if you want it say inside a structured text?

Or a texture?

Though on the other hand, what if you want to modify a procedural texture. You can't have procedural texture inside a procedural texture in single definition

[alpine tulip]

🤔 maybe

Speaking of actually, like, serious question since A2,

Can we get a italic or bold filter for Structured text, even if it only twists the text picture to the right slightly or doubles the text to make it bolder?

[gaunt depot]

I guess it was intended that you switch fonts with <t font=''> to bold or italic versions

[alpine tulip]

Also I found it that configSourceAddonList ModList doesn't detect addon/Mod if the argument is a config parameter not class. Could be handy to have... pwease

[alpine tulip]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T128076
But what if we have is just this

I mean, having one font family is understandable. My intention after italic bold is more of comprehensive way to put something within a text, like a quote

CJK font issue is very stupid anyways. Why it can't be done?!

[vapid cradle]

Guys you gonna laugh at me but how do i post a new subject on the feedback tracker ? I can't find the button to create a new post

[gaunt depot]

top right star

[gray wharf]

make sure to pick the good one

[vapid cradle]

Thenk you guys 🙂

[gaunt depot]

Even with a background to reduce contrast a little bit, unless you make it bright it looks terrible

[gray wharf]

I think you made your point :p

[gaunt depot]

Just trying to make it look decent with current tools, I see no way 😦

[gray wharf]

make it a (0.5, 0.5, 0.5) rectangle background and call it a day :D

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, white-ish background looks ugly and out of place during the night

Actually you know what, [0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5] makes it look the best out of everything I tried so far

[unborn acorn]

The position of the scroll bar layered the mute buttons in the Role Assignment window in MP; it is impossible to scroll to the end of the list due centered on my nickname
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180434

[gaunt depot]

Oh yeah I remember seeing this too

[gaunt depot]

Same issue also happens with map players list iirc

but that's script fixable

[unborn acorn]

oh, I tested on koth before ticket create... thought no bug in map list

[gaunt depot]

Yeah I fixed it there

[sleek scaffold]

Can you share with me your config fixes? I've decided to drop my vanilla puritan approach and give modding a try, even if that means that my friends will stop playing with me 😅
I believe you fixed the pistol/launcher holster interaction bug and also the holstering when running sliding animation bug... but I can't remember exactly

PS: Your name is blue again! (ohhh, that is Veterans, you used to be green right?) 😄

[sleek scaffold]

How are you finding the handeDamageEh in 2.16? Or should we wait for 2.18 for the full package?

[gaunt depot]

_context is a huge help

all that I needed

[unborn acorn]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180412#2592491
Sраm

[gaunt depot]

Considering that RscPicture is CT_STATIC, why can't it support colorBackground? 🤔

[alpine tulip]

What do you expext if you set BG color?

[gaunt depot]

Having a background under the image

But the size of the control

[gaunt depot]

Thanks for the idea yesterday, made something I don't hate

[gray wharf]

w00t w00t

[gaunt depot]

Anybody would find ARRAY = arrayIntersect ARRAY unary version useful, to only select unique values?

I use it all the time but it being binary command requires extra variable and most often I'd use it in a single statement.

Or maybe have a proper separate command ARRAY = uniqueValues ARRAY/HASHMAP?

Or arrayUnique

[sinful kettle]

Use a macro?

[gaunt depot]

But it still gonna need a variable creation

inside a macro

actually not sure how it could work with a macro 🤔

only if its not inside a bigger statement perhaps

[sinful kettle]

yeah I thought the problem was that it's binary

[regal nimbus]

nah only proper method is keys (_array createHashMapFromArray []) anyway

[gaunt depot]

Wow, nice!

Is it faster?

[regal nimbus]

for large arrays, sure

Slower for small ones.

Similarly I want a hashmap batch delete command :P

because _arr1 - _arr2 also blows up for large arrays.

[sacred river]

Regarding the BE Query Timeout config entry for server.cfg I have asked earlier (a couple of days ago), I've made a Feature Request: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180455

[gaunt depot]

Can this PLEASE be fixed for 2.18?

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T76756

Its a data change, pretty simple one

It is most definitely a bug that appeared after lighting rework, NOT a feature

[heady thunder]

where can i report spam on the feedback tracker? 🙃
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180459

[gray wharf]

what spam?

but it's here, and thanks 😉 nuked ofc

[daring wagon]

I have got a question regarding setMarkerDrawPriority

It seems that this command triggers allMapMarkers being sorted by the priority set for each marker.

However, adding new markers without setting their priority creates them with priority 0 at the end of allMapMarkers and thus these markers get drawn on top of markers with a higher priority.

Is this intended?

[gaunt depot]

I guess new markers ignore priority?

[daring wagon]

For me it seems like engine doesn't care what the priority value is but only looks at the order of allMapMarkers

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, that's what I meant, new markers simply get put into the end of the list without taking priority into account

Guess sorting by priority before drawing is too costly

[daring wagon]

I guess this was done for performance reasons? Ideally, creating a marker would trigger sorting of the markers array

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, looks like it doesn't and simply gets put in the end

[daring wagon]

I guess I can just use an event handler

However, would be nice to get this behaviour confirmed by KK so we can document it on biki.

Hmm, okay, that's weird. I created a new marker without setting priority but now the array is sorted again.

[unborn acorn]

Clouds on extreme graphics value still glitches https://feedback.bistudio.com/T175798

[gaunt depot]

I don't think clouds were touched since alpha, could be FUBAR

[gray wharf]

just don't bank

[daring wagon]

setOvercast 0...fixed

[unborn acorn]

How long has ambient been missing from the Virtual Reality map? It was since Bootcamp and now missing
Means CfgWorlds → VR → EnvSounds → Default

[sinful kettle]

wrong type name in command info:
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/get3DENLayer
scalar_string-> should be object
ret nothing -> should be scalar

same goes for get3denParent

[near cedar]

Land_SM_01_shelter_wide_F and Land_SM_01_shelter_narrow_F seem to be (semi?) impervious to 80mm rocket strikes. The structure is not destroyed. The ground below gets the decals for rocket hits but vehicles don't seem to take damage from direct hits, just splash damage for stuff that lands nearby (and not on the shed directly)

[sinful kettle]

Does it have a FireGeometry?

[near cedar]

i have no clue, will that info appear in the config viewer?

[sinful kettle]

No. If you have diag exe you can use diag_drawMode "FireGeometry"

[near cedar]

(also note this applies to both narrow and wide variants)

ah. uh can check

[sinful kettle]

Or I guess you could also shoot it with a rifle and see if the bullet hits it 😅

[near cedar]

too late, already switched to profiling 😛

Wait is diag exe different from profiling?

[sinful kettle]

It's in dev branch

[near cedar]

ahhhh lol i don't have that

okay i'll just shoot it 🤣

well bullets seem to go through (tried with a helicopter minigun from the top)

shooting from inside towards the roof seems to show me bullet hit effects (but no decals) on the roof

[sinful kettle]

So it doesn't have a Fire geom, which is why you can't hit it directly

Weird

[near cedar]

smaller one does have hit effects and decals

smoke grenade bounces off

going to try the rocket stuff again

okay for the small one, on the altis variant there are decals, for the tanoa variant there aren't

YES the rockets pass right through 😄

i have it on camera too lol

but then they explode right after passing though

I present the evidence https://imgur.com/a/DLAvaHD

Rocket passes through, but the explosion is created on the exterior of the shed. Shed is able to withstand 4 80mm rockets. Trucks below still take damage though. And only when the trucks blow up do the sheds get destroyed.

The decals from the explosions are created on the ground beneath

apparently the fuel trucks can take more than one rocket to the face even without the shed 😄

...or sometimes they can't

it's so weird

[near cedar]

Okay, more testing -- the big shed dies from 7 rocket hits (in my case, 5 direct and 2 indirect/near misses)

But the damage that goes through it is inconsistent

for example

https://imgur.com/Ux6e4hq

However a third round that hit above the truck directly did 0.01 damage to the truck, but that did enough hit point damage to blow it up after a short delay

[hollow vapor]

If possible for A4 can we have an official tool for converting WRP files please? I dont like the idea of paying 35 euros every year to a third party dev thats not really participating in the community spirit to convert a file thats advertised as open to the community to dev ourselves.(South Asia .WRP)

[toxic sphinx]

If I use BIS_fnc_addRespawnPosition is it possible to set a per player timeout for each individual one created?

[alpine tulip]

Could've sworn there was an environment sound, and never realized it was gone

[gray wharf]

wrong channel, see #arma3_scripting

[solid marten]

Thanks. Could you please make a ticket next time I almost missed this.
get3DENGrid - GameNothing -> GameScalar
get3DENLayer - GameNothing -> GameScalar
get3DENParent - GameNothing -> GameAny
@gray wharf
Revision: 151706
clear3DENAttribute - GameNothing -> GameBool
Revision: 151707

[unborn acorn]

ye, was
there is a FT ticket https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180481

[azure crane]

footsteps were different too unless that's the ambient we're talking about

now they are just the "normal" flat-sounding ones, however if you change your stance you can still hear the echoing footsteps

[unborn acorn]

yes, configured the "normal" steps in VR, game data has full collection of VR-steps *P:\a3\sounds_f_bootcamp\characters\footsteps *

seems forgotten create a config of Sound Sets for them

gonna create FT ticket for footsteps too

[solid marten]

CfgWorlds → VR → EnvSounds → Default what about it? the config is still present and is not very different from original

[unborn acorn]

I'm not sure if the problem is in the config...
sound is 3D with an audibility radius of 100 meters, who should this sound be attached to? Maybe to the player? Maybe something has changed and the object is now null?

I also assumed the sound could be playing on the map on some 'grid', so I changed the audibility radius to 10 million km, even so there was no sound

[unborn acorn]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180485
Ticket VR footsteps

[unborn acorn]

Grenade impact sound will plays on throw (in unit's hands) if unit aim in some angles
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180487

[sinful kettle]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/isNil
Syntax 3. why not Control, Display, Location, etc.?

[solid marten]

good question

[dreamy bane]

has this been forgotten? https://feedback.bistudio.com/T172248

[alpine tulip]

21:47:15   Error position: <setParticleFire []>
21:47:15   Error 0 elements provided, 19 expected```What we know is `setParticleFire` does only have three params within the array... what does it mean 19?!

[heady thunder]

späm
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180523

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180521

[gray wharf]

antispam, boom

[solid marten]

i'll check it, could be typo in error message

[daring wagon]

23:37:30 Error in expression <Max == _fMin}) exitwith {
_fMin = _fMin / (1000^_logMin);
_fMin = _fMin tofixed >
23:37:30   Error position: </ (1000^_logMin);
_fMin = _fMin tofixed >
23:37:30   Error #: Zero divisor
23:37:30 File a3\Functions_F_Enoch\EM_Core\fn_frequencyToString.sqf..., line 50
23:37:30 Error in expression <Max == _fMin}) exitwith {
_fMin = _fMin / (1000^_logMin);
_fMin = _fMin tofixed >
23:37:30   Error position: </ (1000^_logMin);
_fMin = _fMin tofixed >
23:37:30   Error #: Zero divisor
23:37:30 File a3\Functions_F_Enoch\EM_Core\fn_frequencyToString.sqf..., line 50

Switching to the Spectrum Device instantly triggers that script error. Vanilla Game + Contact only. v217,151686)

[solid marten]

2.17 cannot be a vanilla game

oh you mean no mods?

@untold sky another compiler issue?

[solid marten]

[solid marten]

well, relatively large negative power produces 0, not sure how to handle this in script, set result to infinity?

[daring wagon]

If I have time this week I'll try to play the contact campaign. As it uses some heavy math at places there might be more of these script errors.

[alpine tulip]

Okay, I know, this is a very nitpick. And it is very stupid one. But, listen to me, Showcase Cultural Property is in June 24th, not canon cease fire date, August 10th

[gaunt depot]

Would love to get an estimate

Have an important fix there, want to know if I should make a crutch now or wait for the fix

Fix @ https://feedback.bistudio.com/T120107

[solid marten]

Is it not merged in prof?

[gaunt depot]

Not sure. Not in stable, but in dev.

[solid marten]

Looks safe to merge to prof

[gaunt depot]

Still, any estimates? Month, two, late summer?

[gray wharf]

between 1 and 3650 days

[daring wagon]

Soon

[paper lava]

Not sure if this was actual error or just fine, when getting in vehicle for Black Wasp Plane B_Plane_Fighter_01_Stealth_F, the Pose command will return "ERROR", btw the name of playing animation call pilot_plane_fighter_01_getin

[outer frigate]

which branch is this on

[paper lava]

main one, 2.16

[daring wagon]

Out of curiosity. Is there a reason we cannot set marker colour in RGB format? The markers themselves seem to support any colour ,just that we are limited to what's defined in config.

[untold sky]

All configs should have preproc, including rvmat 🤔

[untold sky]

useless, doesn't tell anything useful about the crash.

Why would there be a frozen mdmp with a crash? crash!=frozen

If it were EMM extension, then you could look at the mdmp yourself and see that

[untold sky]

yes

[untold sky]

Don't remember. Never tried.
But sounds like a bug

[untold sky]

, can be used as a alternate for semicolon. it behaves similarly. Its ugly and shouldn't be done, but it doesn't cause issues in all these cases.

The returnMatterModule one should be broken 🤔
The code in ther is also nonsense, as if someone stopped typing half way through 😄
I assume its unused.

[untold sky]

no

[untold sky]

That. Which is unlikely

[untold sky]

And game does not create a freeze dump when that happens?
Is it actually freezing, or is the progress bar just going till the end and then it never leaves the loading screen?
Not reproable without CBA?

[sacred river]

the progress bar freezes at 100% (or maybe less, at least it freezes), if you click into the game multiple times Windows opens a prompt that the program is frozen (you know which one). you can either wait (for nothing to happen) or kill the process. killing the process: then you can join onto the Server without problems.

[untold sky]

Sounds nice. Needs a ticket and time from reyhard. You need a CfgVehicles class for it right?
If we just make it hidden in editor then maybe we don't need to do localization for it

Adding assets is quite alot of work

[gaunt depot]

Gonna make one. I'm okay with no 3DEN entry as it is invisible without a flag anyway.

[untold sky]

Sounds like a perfect thing for it. Ticket please

[gaunt depot]

Speaking of new objects, having UserTexture that is a ground decal will be very useful too

Probably can also be hidden and/or use same texts as normal UserTexture1m_F?

Recent use case: #arma3_scripting message

Having scripted footsteps that follow terrain. Normal user texture won't bend at terrain cell edges

[untold sky]

We only store that information per-class though. Not per entry.
So best I could give you is to let it return the parent class, which will return false-positives for mods that edited the class, but not the specific property you're looking for

[alpine tulip]

Hmm, I could imagine why

[azure crane]

what message were you replying to? Discord is doing a fucky wucky, reload doesn't help.

[gray wharf]

#arma3_feedback_tracker message

[gaunt depot]

Same for reply to my post 🤔

[untold sky]

All same keys 5k elements
arrayIntersect: 0.115857 ms
hashmap: 0.252246 ms

All different keys 5k elements
arrayIntersect: 209.955 ms
hashmap: 2.71939 ms

Huh. Didn't expect that. I'd expect creating a hashmap to be more expensive

[untold sky]

It is not a bug. Its a feature. The flares are signal flares. Not illumination flares.
There is no bug to be fixed here.

But we can probably add illumination flares, they've been on the backlog for quite a while.
But adding assets is alot of work

[untold sky]

Correct.
setMarkerDrawPriority has a "sort" call inside it. if you call that command, ALL markers get resorted by their draw priority. If you don't run that command, then thats not done

[daring wagon]

Nice. Thanks for the info. Need to update biki

[gaunt depot]

Yeah I already investigated further and they are indeed got changed to be signal flares, there are text descriptions with that. What's funny is that whoever did that also tried to increase its brightness brightness from 2 originally to 12 (which is a VERY bright).

It feels like they couldn't fix the flares not being bright anymore and instead of investigating why turned them into signal flares or something, lol

[untold sky]

Performance I'd rather not.
But what we probably could do is, on insert skip all markers with higher priority and insert into the middle of the array.
Because the high prio ones are at the start, that should be somewhat simple.

I think that would be easy to do.

Actually new markers get added to the end of the array. Not the front?
And I assume markers are rendered from front to back? Or are they rendered in reverse?
Finding insertion point from end like I described would also work though

[untold sky]

will not be fixed

[gray wharf]

this clouds library always felt to me like "nice for screenshots" but glitchy when moving, not "half-assed" but almost - like unfinished

[alpine tulip]

I think I've ever seen a cloud that looked like Monster Energy (I mean having very same pattern three times) and uh, how long it was? That was actually strange looked

[daring wagon]

Iirc they get added to the end. That's why they are drawn on top of markers that even have a higher priority.

It's not a big deal as long as it's documented.

An easy workaround is to set priority on map event handler. So that order is correct when the map is opened.

[untold sky]

scalar_string is the argument?
That command takes
// Object, Group, Waypoint, Marker, ID
Object, group, array, string, scalar

[untold sky]

Yes. But also I don't know if we want to do that

[gray wharf]

the wiki was apparently ok already

get3DENParent - GameNothing -> GameAny
get3DENParent's page says "Object" though?

[gaunt depot]

Worst thing is that it is desyncronized in MP and you can't use clouds as reference for directions 😠

[gray wharf]

nor hide during dogfights

[unborn acorn]

just let's do same solution as for particles
extreme = ultra → no bug

[gaunt depot]

I did some tests with the clouds and they can be synced in MP, but get desyncronized after a while

Plus weather is fucked in general and you never get same overcast values over the network reliably

And these clouds are very dependent on overcast value

[gray wharf]

unlike in Reforger where it is synchronised and clouds cast shadows

[untold sky]

(reply to #arma3_feedback_tracker message)
The fix for first compiler issue wasn't released at that point.
I cannot reproduce on latest internal. Though I am just equipping spectrum device in VR

"relatively large negative power produces 0" that should not be possible here, there is no large negative power.

#define UNITS ["Hz","kHz","MHz","GHz","THz","PHz","EHz"]
_fMin = _fMin / (1000^_logMin);
UNITS # _logMin

The highest possible here is 1000^6 that is 1e+18, that is still well within limits. (max value is 1e+38)
_logMin must be between 0 and 6.
And even with its highest value at 6, we don't get a div by zero here.

I cannot reproduce the problem in debug console with the possible values.
1/ (1000^6) is 1e-18
There is no div by zero

Maybe our max/min are broken with extreme values

-1e39 max 0 is 0, all fine. (negative infinity)
1e39 min 6 is 6, all fine. (positive infinity)

_fMin = -1e39;
_offset = -1e39;

(floor ((log _fMin + _offset) / 3)) max 0 min 6;

There is the bug!
-nan(ind)
log of negative infinity, results in nan indeterminate. Which then propagates through.
I'd say we can make min/max handle nan.

-nan max 0 should be 0 (The bigger of the two)
nan max 0 should be nan (The bigger of the two)

[untold sky]

months

[untold sky]

legacy

[untold sky]

"opens a prompt that the program is frozen (you know which one)"
Thats what I meant.
mh our freeze dumps might be disabled during loading screen.

If you go to task manager, details panel and right-click on Arma there, you can create a memory dump. Send me that and I can see what its been doing during the freeze

[untold sky]

how do you spawn a model if there is no CfgVehicles entry and you cannot use simple object?

[gaunt depot]

Had a brain derp. Meant to say no 3DEN entry, hidden from 3DEN.

[untold sky]

Sounds nice yes. Needs ticket and run through our asset pipeline.

[untold sky]

F discord #arma3_feedback_tracker message

Discord cannot even show the messages that I replied to, to myself

[sinful kettle]

Yeah intercept shortens it to at most 2 types

[untold sky]

Can you make a ticket for that insertion ordering bug?

[untold sky]

So then it shouldn't be "object", and what it currently is. is correct

[daring wagon]

If I don't forget. Yes.

[sinful kettle]

Anyway KK fixed it

[untold sky]

Ah derp yes ofc. later drawn things are drawn on top.

Setting priority goes through ALL markers to resort them though. Not quite nice. And its an easy fix for us to do

[untold sky]

Not that one, only the return values

[untold sky]

It returns -1 if the item is invalid, or it couldn't find a parent.
Otherwise it returns https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Eden_Entity

[gray wharf]

oh okay, nice & thanks

[untold sky]

The ingame info for create3DENEntity/get3DENEntity/... also says it returns any, technically not correct but ugh

[untold sky]

Actually yes that broke with the compiler upgrade.
Our doc even says so

That nan handling fact is not documented on wiki.

Documentation for the instruction also specifically says that should happen.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/docs/intrinsics-guide/index.html#text=minss&ig_expand=4523
https://www.felixcloutier.com/x86/minss
Doc specifically says

dst does not follow the IEEE Standard for Floating-Point Arithmetic (IEEE 754) minimum value when inputs are NaN or signed-zero values.

If only one value is a NaN (SNaN or QNaN) for this instruction, the second source operand, either a NaN or a valid floating-point value, is written to the result.

But our compiler is so smart, and flips the left and right values.
instead if
a min b
it does
b min a

_nan min 0
is -nan
0 min _nan
is 0

darn you Microsoft :U

[sinful kettle]

Write it in assembly

[untold sky]

I hope GCC on linux isn't making that same mistake, can't test that rn.

log (-1e39) min 0 should return 0
0 min log (-1e39) should return -nan

Maybe someone has time to check linux on prof or dev?

I already made a ticket about incorrect float optimization, guess I'll make another.

( a<b ? a : b) should definitely not be optimized into b minss a 🙄

[sinful kettle]

Did you check on compiler explorer?

[untold sky]

typing as you type

[untold sky]

It again only messes it up in /fp:fast 😄
Yeah its a MS bug. even with fastmath, it shouldn't just swap the order

[untold sky]

Well microsoft gives themselves the opt-out in their docs
Special values (NaN, +infinity, -infinity, -0.0) may not be propagated or behave strictly according to the IEEE-754 standard.

That results the code

Print (a < b);
Print (a < b ? a : b);

to print out

false
a

Sure.
if false then a else b.
Is a!

Microsoft is also absolutely all over the place

Expected result: 0;0 | 0;0
VS2013 Release: 0;-1.#IND | 0;-1.#IND
VS2013 Debug: 1;-1.#IND | 1;-1.#IND
VS2017 Release: 0;0 | 0;-nan(ind)
VS2017 Debug: 1;-nan(ind) | 1;-nan(ind)
VS2022 Release: 0;-nan(ind) | 0;-nan(ind)
VS2022 Debug: 1;-nan(ind) | 1;-nan(ind)
GCC13.2 O2: 0;0 | 0;0
GCC13.2 O0: 0;0 | 0;0
GCC8.5 O2: 0;0 | 0;0
GCC8.5 O0: 0;0 | 0;0

That GCC there is with the -ffast-math flag too.
GCC gets it right with fast math, MSVC doesn't

[sinful kettle]

Use GCC on Windows too

[unborn acorn]

for Tanks and APCs in config sets default sounds on collision Wood, Building & Armor, but data has special sounds for them
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180603

[daring wagon]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180604 @untold sky (marker priority)

[solid marten]

didnt touch it because of backward compatibility, it accepts a bunch of types and ignores unsupported quetly, we dont want code break and error instead

[untold sky]

It handles Object, Group, Array, String, Scalar.
And it accepts Object, Group, Array, String, Scalar.

[solid marten]

As of
Arma 3 logo black.png
2.16
createMarker/createMarkerLocal do not care about drawing priority and add the created marker to the end of the array, making it top priority

pretty sure this wasnt touched in 2.16

@gray wharf ^^^ dont think the create marker was automatically sorting markers ever, setmarkerpriority was doing that me thinks

[gray wharf]

correct, according to what Dedmen said here #arma3_feedback_tracker message
but createMarker/Local seem to add the newly-created marker "at the end" of the array, therefore making it high prio

what I think I understood at least 😄

[solid marten]

but this is why you have separate command to set priority

create marker , set priority

if you needed it

[gray wharf]

yes, hence the note
although, it may not be seen as a "problem", IDK

[solid marten]

i did not want markers get sorted for no reason every time marker is added or removed

[daring wagon]

dedmen said he might have a fast way of doing it. As I stated earlier it's not a problem really, just needs to be documented. However, if createMarker would handle that and it can be fast, why not.

[regal nimbus]

Hashmaps are lovely. Please give batch delete so I can make even better temporary hashmap abominations :P

[outer frigate]

now im meant to beg for setproxymodel too arent i

[untold sky]

That is correct we definitely shouldn't do that.
But inserting at correct position is alot cheaper than doing a full sort.
We just end up having to bump all elements after the new one (like how deleteAt 0 bumps all elements after the first one)
Which will be only markers that got their draw priority set, which should be very few

[untold sky]

We have deleteAt with array of indices.
Same thing for hashmap with array of keys, ez

[regal nimbus]

I never ask for difficult things, aside from AI fixes :P

[untold sky]

Ah frick

no can't do same thing because deleteAt [array] might be a key = [array]
not an array of multiple keys

would need separate command. deleteRange would work but I don't like that :U

deleteRange makes the most sense though, so probably gonna be alt syntax for that, even though I don't like

but wonder if its even worth it.
Not much performance impact (number of hashmap lookups doesn't change).

With a simpleVM loop its probably not much difference

[regal nimbus]

I was wondering. What's the method to test simpleVM these days?

[untold sky]

diag_testScriptSimpleVM {code} on dev or profiling. To check if its applicable

[regal nimbus]

k

perf though?

[untold sky]

{_hm deleteAt _x;} forEach _toDelete is probably good enough.
vs _hm deleteRange _toDelete

there is no way to turn SimpleVM off, without switching to non-profiling branch exe

so not without game restart

[regal nimbus]

Profile/perf uses SimpleVM automatically and stable doesn't use it at all?

[untold sky]

yes

[regal nimbus]

ok, can work with that.

[untold sky]

It's only enabled on 2.14+ perf and 2.17+ stable
so not on 2.16 stable

[regal nimbus]

Right, SimpleVM is good enough for this. Hashmap creation cost is most of the expense for 300 elements minus 299 elements now.

[devout wave]

99% inherited config from existing flares and no new models required, so hopefully not too much work

[outer frigate]

i can literally write the config for them

[devout wave]

Could the #legacy be worked around by letting CfgMarkerColors work in mission config?

[untold sky]

Don't know when they are loaded. That might work

[daring wagon]

Yeah, that would be splendid. Would reduce alot of limitations

[solid marten]

that is assuming that markers are always sorted

[untold sky]

They will be

If anything with priority is sorted to the end.
And anything without priority is inserted before the priority ones. It'll always be sorted

[solid marten]

we just have to make all markers priority 0 by default

[untold sky]

I thought they already are

Though I don't know what happens with the priority property when a network marker update comes in, could it reset the priority to zero? Such a thing probably wouldn't resort it correctly. But as the command has local effect only, I wouldn't expect a remote update to reset it

[solid marten]

priority is part of network sync if I remember correctly

however here is a small problem. Say we have 20 markers with priority 0. they are drawn in order of creation. How do you create another marker that is on top of 10th but below 11th?

[untold sky]

Wiki says they are already 0 by default

[untold sky]

That'd be weird, if the command with local effect, can have global effect if you run another command after it

[solid marten]

local markers are not synced so no problem there

[untold sky]

You'd have to set 11-20 to priority 1. And then when you create another marker, it'll be between 10 and 11 (at the end of the priority 0 partition)

[solid marten]

yeah 10 times sorting

[untold sky]

If you want 10 markers with priority, that already is resorting for each right now. Wouldn't change.

We could optimize it though, we don't need to resort the whole markers array when we change priority of one. We just need to move that one around

[solid marten]

we can ++ priority with each marker creation

[untold sky]

😕 I don't get it

[solid marten]

whn you create next marker you create it with higher priority then if you want to insert marker in between then you can. priority is float you +1 it for each next marker. sort of like priority sorting in action menu

[untold sky]

I don't think we have a usecase for inserting marker specifically inbetween two others, atleast so far we didn't

[solid marten]

maybe because it is a pain in the rear to do it now

since you will have to kinda set priority on bunch of markers to make space

creating markers with increasing priority shouldnt break anything

[untold sky]

except existing scripts that expect their 1 priority to be ontop of all other normal markers. But thats only since 2.14

[solid marten]

good point

create marker optional priority param?

[untold sky]

If a mod required that all markers are ordered, they could use markerCreated EH and handle incrementing ID by themselves

[solid marten]

bool true ++ priority false or 0 set to 0, a number - specific priority?

GameBoolOrScalar

[untold sky]

I don't see the need for us to solve that.
So far noone seemed to have that use case, and if they want it its already solved with this

GMarkerCounter = 0;
addMissionEventHandler ["MarkerCreated", {
    params ["_marker"];
    _marker setMarkerDrawPriority GMarkerCounter;
    GMarkerCounter = GMarkerCounter + 1;
}];

[solid marten]

In this case I am not sure why are we even discussing it, don't get @daring wagon point, everything is doable with current tools

[untold sky]

The bug is that the sorting doesn't stay

marker with priority 0 will draw over top of marker with priority 500

[solid marten]

gotcha

but this is why you have setpriority command

[untold sky]

I'll just turn the append into a insert_sorted and thats solved

[solid marten]

yeah do that

[gray wharf]

yeah, but since creating a new marker (that is supposed at zero prio) makes it take precedence over markers with prio 5000… you may understand the end user can be confused 😄

[daring wagon]

That's what I said in the beginning...

I just asked for an explanation so I can document the behaviour on the wiki.🙄

[solid marten]

too late, now you did it

[fresh hawk]

Any chance to get HandleHeal to be fixed in regards to the return value being ignored?

[gaunt depot]

Might need HandleHealEnd or something, as it healing might not end in success (unit ran off and such)

Its all script fixable but a huge mess and a crutch right now

[fresh hawk]

I only want it for this (option to override engine healing), meaning the fix EH should (in theory) be much smaller than adding an extra EH

[regal nimbus]

Can we just have a general system for disabling vanilla actions :/

I'm still scarred by that ACE engineer flip.

[gaunt depot]

Had some write up about it year ago, can't remember if its in any ticket

[sacred river]

Sent, hope it helps

[daring wagon]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180633 Script error in Eden editor caused by a missing define in vanilla function. Perhaps that could get fixed as I get reports quite often because ppl think its my mod. Steps to reproduce are added as well.

[gaunt depot]

Clients not knowing owner ids of remote entities is the weirdest design decision ever

[solid marten]

only server knows

and client himself

nothing weird about it

[heady thunder]

spööm
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180589
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180627

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180615

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180614

[outer frigate]

Would it be possible for an alt syntax/change to setAperture for a coefficient of the current auto setting? Negative numbers maybe but could have bwc problems

[sinful kettle]

bwc?

[alpine tulip]

Backward compatibility I think

[gray wharf]

Dedmen said bcomp, KJW said bwc, I believe we should agree on one explicit term please 😄

e.g '←cp' 🤣

[alpine tulip]

But Why I Care

[restive bone]

😅 maybe cp isnt the one

[uncut briar]

bwcp

Backwards Compatibility Promise

[outer frigate]

i think we could just call it backy wacky

🥺 emojis optional

[gaunt depot]

compatibility

[restive bone]

emojis 👏 not 👏 optional 😄

[untold sky]

backwards compromise

The marker insertion sorting issue is fixed next dev

_createMarker = {
params ["_name", "_offset", "_color", "_priority"];

_marker = createMarker [_name, getPos player vectorAdd [_offset, _offset]];
_marker setMarkerType "hd_dot";
_marker setMarkerShape "RECTANGLE";
_marker setMarkerBrush "SolidFull";
_marker setMarkerColor _color;
_marker setMarkerSize [100, 200];
if (_priority != 0) then { _marker setMarkerDrawPriority _priority; }
};

["A", 0, "ColorBlack", 0] call _createMarker;
["B", 10, "ColorGreen", 1] call _createMarker;
["C", 20, "ColorRed", 0] call _createMarker;

Could improve performance of setMarkerDrawPriority, but removing from list and reinserting at correct position is more than the 5 minutes I'm giving this fix

[gaunt depot]

I HATE that Respawn copies events and variables from the corpse. There is a solution to clean them up on Killed, but this won't work if you want to keep EHs and variables on the corpse

Can we have some kind of flag to stop that?

And another issue is that EntityCreated and EntityRespawned on server order is not even guaranteed

14:12:08 1573420 :: EntityRespawned :: ["B Alpha 1-3:1 (Sa-Matra (2)) REMOTE (B_Soldier_F) LOCAL=false","1b972acf700# 1780782: c_nikos.p3d REMOTE (B_Soldier_F) LOCAL=false"]
14:12:08 1573420 :: EntityCreated :: B_Soldier_F sim=soldier (B Alpha 1-3:1 (Sa-Matra (2)) REMOTE) local=false
...
14:14:56 1597262 :: EntityCreated :: B_Soldier_F sim=soldier (B Alpha 1-3:1 (Sa-Matra (2)) REMOTE) local=false
14:14:56 1597263 :: EntityRespawned :: ["B Alpha 1-3:1 (Sa-Matra (2)) REMOTE (B_Soldier_F) LOCAL=false","1b8095be800# 1780880: c_nikos.p3d REMOTE (B_Soldier_F) LOCAL=false"]

So much headaches because of this behaviour

ENTITY setNoEventsAndVarsReplication BOOL or something like that

So if you think you can setup new variables in EntityCreated you end up with them being replaced by respawn behaviour

I'd suggest having respawn logic check if variables weren't already set, but this could break backwards stuff

[gaunt depot]

Nevermind, you can't even do that because setVariable ["var", nil] makes it copy the nil over your EntityCreated set variable after respawn

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/108187245529268224/1182875732125421698/skidvicious.gif?ex=658649df&is=6573d4df&hm=e716cf54290be4b920cd3b528b9e2f027954c77270f7435db315237d8e55034f&

setNoEventsAndVarsReplication could break mods/addons that rely on this behaviour though

I guess there is no solution

Only suffering

ENTITY deleteVariable STRING maybe

[regal nimbus]

IIRC this is because the respawn process is actually carried out on the client, and then the server gets told about it afterwards.

[gaunt depot]

Yeah, some network BS

[regal nimbus]

Which is oddly flipped from the connection process, where the unit is created on the server and then moved to the client.

Although maybe with a respawn the new unit still gets created on the server. Not sure I checked.

[gaunt depot]

ENTITY deleteAt STRING by analogy with arrays and hashmaps

[regal nimbus]

I'm not following what this is for.

_object setVariable ["string", nil] already deletes?

[gaunt depot]

Not quite, respawn logic still copies this nil

I guess key still remains or something?

[regal nimbus]

ah wait, misremembered.

Yeah, setVariable is apparently permanent.

[gaunt depot]

--- EntityCreated ---
21:49:21 ["5678563","koth_ehs_hitparts_history",<null>]
--- New var set ---
21:49:21 ["5678563","koth_ehs_hitparts_history",[]]
21:49:21 ["5678564","koth_ehs_hitparts_history",[]]
21:49:21 ["5678565","koth_ehs_hitparts_history",any]
21:49:21 ["5678566","koth_ehs_hitparts_history",any]
21:49:21 ["5678567","koth_ehs_hitparts_history",any]
21:49:21 ["5678568","koth_ehs_hitparts_history",any]
...

My setVariable lives for two frames and then respawn logic replaced it with nil I attempted to set on unit's death to stop this

[regal nimbus]

To remove a variable, set it to nil

Lies.

[gaunt depot]

Yep

[regal nimbus]

ah, it has addendum there for objects.

[gaunt depot]

Maybe respawn variable replication logic can stop copying variables that are nil?

Has a slight potential to break something somewhere

Being able to delete variables for good could be a better solution

HandleRespawnVariables, HandleRespawnEvents

ENTITY setNotRespawnableVariables ARRAY ex:["var1", "var2"]
ENTITY setNotRespawnableEvents ARRAY ex:[["Respawn", 1], ["Killed", 2], "HandleDamage"]

Or better add/remove so its mod-compatible

So solutions so far:

1. Stop respawn logic from re-adding nil variables (only true nil returned by the command so other nils are still there?)
2. ENTITY/ETC deleteAt STRING to delete variables from variable namespaces
3. Add/Remove variables and events that shouldn't be replicated on respawn (most complex one)

[regal nimbus]

What about a global setting to disable var/EH transfer on respawn?

[gaunt depot]

Could break mods that expect this to happen, thus an idea to stop transfer selectively

[regal nimbus]

ah I see, can't make it mission-specific.

[gaunt depot]

(4. Make an ugly crutch that adds variables again on respawn too which I'm going to do for now)

Deleting variables for good instead of setting nil sounds like the best solution to me

Doesn't solve the issue for case where you want to keep events and variables on the corpse though

[gaunt depot]

If there is a chance for this to get looked at, I'll make a ticket

[solid marten]

no, gets created on the client

[solid marten]

Please explain what problem you are trying to solve rather than asking for crutches

[near cedar]

Problem: I want to get the target position selected by the player in the artillery computer

Current solution appears to be loops and an EH trying to interpret stuff from the UI (apparently MapSingleClick EH doesn't work with artillery computer?)
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/191406-get-artillery-firing-position-in-computer/?tab=comments#comment-3259454 (from 2017)

Request: Let getArtilleryComputerSettings return the target position, or allow MapSingleClick work with artillery computer, or new EH for artillery computer that returns fire position and settings either when the map is clicked or the artillery is fired (or two separate EHs that do the respective tasks)

[paper lava]

Display EH mouseClick something?

[devout wave]

It would definitely be useful to be able to get an artillery vehicle's current target position without going through the UI, so it can work with AI artillery and not just players

[gaunt depot]

• You can't stop respawn logic from re-adding same variables to newly spawned unit
• setVariable ["name", nil] on the corpse makes the engine copy that nil as variable is not really deleted
• Overwriting over re-added variables is hard because order of MEH EntityRespawn and MEH EntityCreated is not guaranteed #arma3_feedback_tracker message

[daring wagon]

Speaking of artillery UI. It would be nice if it had an IDD so we can actually identify it without looping though all displays and controls to find it.

[gaunt depot]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T171670
Been 1 year, can somebody have a look at it please?

[solid marten]

please make a ticket and tag me with the link

[solid marten]

I will have a look after I dig myself out of this rabbit hole I'm in

[gaunt depot]

Thanks, would help us a lot

[gaunt depot]

Went back to this, turns out setGroupOwner is the only safe way of doing it, otherwise locality may break and forever get stuck at some client for the vehicle itself, even if driver and group changed locality

So that warning Script command setOwner cannot be used for object 'B_UAV_AI'. Use setGroupOwner instead. is indeed very much true, if you don't follow it, shit breaks

[near cedar]

Here! https://feedback.bistudio.com/T180721
Added Nikko's suggestion to make it more generally applicable (both AI/player). And the note from R3vo too in additional comments.

There might be technical inaccuracies but i hope it's clear from the ticket what the desired end goal is!

[gaunt depot]

I wonder if we can just get general engine-driven calculation for predicted projectile hit position? This way you could run it in Fired to find out where AI was firing

It will differ a bit from wanted fired position though

[solid marten]

Add the suggestions to the ticket please

[near cedar]

Well at least in my case I would like the intended position -- not opposed to extra stuff of course!

there are some cases in which the rounds fall far away from the desired position (poor accuracy but otherwise normal precision/dispersion), wanted to try diagnosing/repro-ing that

(seems to happen at particular azimuth and range with respect to the unit -- i observed it with one of the GM MLRS, but want to make a repro)

[devout wave]

I can't post on FT right now but my general feeling for this would be unit EH for artillery firing that gives info about the target (possibly could skipped as can be replicated with Fired EH + following items), a command to get what an artillery unit is currently aiming at, and a command to get the AI's current fire mission

[gaunt depot]

Finally went to check this, you did change roadkill damage source.

Dev/Perf:

18:18:33 ["B Alpha 1-2:1 (B_Soldier_F)","",2.5833,"B Alpha 1-4:1 (Sa-Matra) REMOTE (C_Hatchback_01_F)","",-1,"B Alpha 1-4:1 (Sa-Matra) REMOTE (B_Soldier_F)","",false,0]

Stable:

18:30:19 ["B Alpha 1-2:2 (B_Soldier_F)","",3.06911,"B Alpha 1-2:1 (Sa-Matra) (B_Soldier_F)","",-1,"<NULL-object> ()","",false]

I do like this change because it makes more sense BUT it could be a huge backwards compatibility mess if somebody expects roadkill damage to be setup exactly like it was for 11 years.

In summary, roadkill damage is attributed:

• Dev/Perf: source=vehicle, instigator=driver
• Stable: source=driver, instigator=null

[solid marten]

Would you check first for instigator anyway?

Define “huge” because I don’t see it

[gaunt depot]

Well, maybe I exaggerated it a bit but it broke my scripts, I always assumed that roadkill damage is:
ammo == "" + source == unit + instigator == null + !isNull objectParent _source

Who knows who else does it like this

Looks like its not an issue in ACE: https://github.com/acemod/ACE3/blob/0e2c7167a5f83026e9407a77fa2043bc46daabb7/addons/medical_engine/functions/fnc_handleDamage.sqf#L171

Maybe others can chip in and see if they assume roadkill damage to be setup exactly like this

Wish you could also change ammo to something like #roadkill or something

but this is even more backwards compatibility mess as there is no such CfgAmmo entry

11 years too late for such things

[solid marten]

So what happened to your script you got error?

[solid marten]

Maybe, make a ticket

Can add fake ammo to cfgammo

[gaunt depot]

Not error but it used to be correctly attributing damage as roadkill and displayed a cool icon. Now its unknown damage.

[solid marten]

Hardly game breaking

[gaunt depot]

Who knows, maybe it will break for somebody else who messes with HandleDamage

[solid marten]

Considering how unreliable it was before hmmm

[gaunt depot]

If we go this way, I'd also add dummy entries for other damage kinds - Fall damage, Collision damage (physx barrel hitting you), drowning damage, fire damage (particles)

[desert trench]

roadkill meaning run over by vehicle right?

[gaunt depot]

Yes

Back in OA there was no damage source, in A3 it started to be driver (currentPilot), now it got changed to be vehicle and driver as instigator

[solid marten]

Maybe add another context instead?

[desert trench]

We just have this

        _isMainSelection = _selection isEqualTo "";

        _return = if ((_projectile isEqualTo "") and {not (_unit isEqualTo _source) and {(isNull _source) or {((side _source) getFriend (side _unit) >= 0.6)}}}) then
        {
            //reapply previous damage state
            if (_isMainSelection) then
            {
                (damage _unit)
            }
            else
            {
                (_unit getHit _selection)
            };
        }
        else
        {
            if ((_isMainSelection) and {(_damage >= 1)}) then//auto-removal if unit is dead
            {
                if (!(alive _unit)) then
                {
                    _unit removeEventHandler ["HandleDamage",_thisEventHandler];
                };
            };

            _damage
        };```

[gaunt depot]

Yeah that what I was suggesting before, but I'm not sure how much work this will entail to also send damage kind alongside other stuff, thus my thought that sending fake ammo class names could be easier.

#arma3_feedback_tracker message

Personally I rename _ammo to these # monikers after decyphering where the game got the damage from

[desert trench]

and this

// units from playerSide cant be run over
if
(
    (_isInfantry)
    &&
    {
        (SPE_CadetMode)
        &&
        {
            (_projectile isEqualTo "")
            &&
            {
                (_unit isNotEqualTo _source)
                &&
                {
                    (isNull _source)
                    ||
                    ((_sideSource getFriend _sideUnit) >= 0.6)
                }
            }
        }
    }
)```

[gaunt depot]

should be ok here

_selection isEqualTo "" is far from ideal as hit parts can have empty selection names, better check for _hit_index < 0

[desert trench]

yep from the looks of it. if easier to identify, would be handy I'd agree

[untold sky]

getArtilleryComputerSettings actually doesn't look in the artillery computer at all, it has no reference to any artillery computer or UI.
It just finds the current selected weapon.
It basically just gets the current weapon and loaded magazine of the vehicle you are sitting in.
Even sitting at a MG would return that, no matter if artillery computer. How fun.

its a combination of currentWeapon/currentWeaponTurret/currentMagazineTurret and some config lookups to find the displayname.
What a weird command, but its from OFP era so.. I guess that justifies that..

shownArtilleryComputer actually can look up the UI. And it could pull the.. targetETA... eh..
Mh, it seems it also doesn't know what position is selected. But you could read it back from the text in the UI controls 😄
Mh yes SetArtilleTarget Ah yes sure SetAtilleryTarget

oh wow the artillery target is not stored in the artillery UI, its stored in the global UI thing.... The same global UI that handles all the AI commanding, because clearly AI commanding should be in UI code, not in AI code. Ahhhhhhhh

Adding that to the get settings command is easy then, it can just pull it from global UI. So ticket for that.
But omg ugh I hate this

[gaunt depot]

I wonder whos idea it was to hardcode two entire menus (arty and UAV terminal) when 99% of it could be scripted?

[untold sky]

I could be scripted nowadays

back then that would've meant adding script commands to make it possible to script that, which was too much work.
And after the script commands were there, transferring it over was too much work.

[gaunt depot]

Interestingly, roadkills from empty vehicles are also now registered with source=vehicle vehicle that hit you

["B Alpha 1-2:1 (Sa-Matra) (B_Soldier_F)","",0.847368,"1e46fe1e040# 1791203: mbt_02_arty_f.p3d (O_T_MBT_02_arty_ghex_F)","",-1,"<NULL-object> ()","",false,0]

Doesn't work with generic PhysX objects though, still source=self

["B Alpha 1-2:1 (Sa-Matra) (B_Soldier_F)","",0.528751,"B Alpha 1-2:1 (Sa-Matra) (B_Soldier_F)","",-1,"<NULL-object> ()","",false,0]

I still detect it though

So much effort just to see this

[daring wagon]

Would it be possible to expand getArtilleryComputerSettings command to return the display?

[untold sky]

yes thats what i proposed on ft ticket

[daring wagon]

Very nice.

[solid marten]

must have missed it

[gaunt depot]

Are you gonna change it?

[solid marten]

might as well to keep it consistent, is there current ticket?

will need repro for that as well

[gaunt depot]

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T176124

I guess we can use this one as that roadkill change derived from that

[gaunt depot]

v = createVehicle ["Land_ToiletBox_F", player modelToWorld [0,10,0]]; pos = getPos v; onEachFrame {v setPos pos; v setVelocity [0,100,0]}
```and touch it

[solid marten]

could you add it to the ticket plz

[gaunt depot]

Done

v = createVehicle ["Land_ToiletBox_F", player modelToWorld [0,10,0]]; 
pos = getPos v; 
onEachFrame {v setPos pos; v setVelocity [0,100,0]}; 
u = group player createUnit [typeOf player, v, [], 0, "CAN_COLLIDE"]; 
```Expanded it a bit so it auto kills a unit with collision damage

[solid marten]

well this is tricky, maybe box need to be moving in order to be considered source?

[gaunt depot]

It is moving, I'm just keeping it in place for easy debugging

Otherwise flying toilet could kill units

[solid marten]

if it just has velocity value but not moving it is suicide

[gaunt depot]

Replace class with some car and you'll get source=car in the event handler

same sitution but source is the vehicle, not unit