oh so selling mods/models that are under ip laws that people would then use in this game, ok I get it.
#ip_rights_violations
halcyon gull
brisk ember
I think just violating the EULA is enough
halcyon gull
wait, did he sell it for money on fallout 4 or was it a harmless mod?
brisk ember
not necessarily selling
halcyon gull
idk man seems kinda petty to go after harmless mods for other games but that's just me
brisk ember
Company has another view on that
lone basin
One guy recently ripped a model FROM Arma, modified it and then uploaded it to Arma 3's workshop. That's breaking IP laws
halcyon gull
but, who does that hurt? He just modified a model and posted it for free as part of the community
soft egret
did he sell it for money
who is the "he" you're talking about?
brisk ember
the guy that ripped that marksman rifle
lone basin
but, who does that hurt? He just modified a model and posted it for free as part of the community
It's their (BI) content, if the owner doesn't want it to be used, it's his right to do so
halcyon gull
Just seems like a toxic way the control modding cause it benefits no one.
fossil basalt
@halcyon gull I do find it highly suspect that you're a brand new user to this discord and the first only channel you've posted in is the one discussing the illegal actions of others.
soft egret
He just modified a model and posted it for free as part of the community
ripped the model, circumvented the copy protection thats in place to prevent exactly that, violating the EULA in the process.
Then shared it for free, violating the EULA again.
And violating IP rights on top of both
cause it benefits no one.
Guess you should give yourself a refresher on IP law
brisk ember
Are you from III Echelon? 🤔
halcyon gull
I got intrigued by this discord channel thingy, I actually came here cause I was interested in the sale and wanted to try play this again to see if I want to buy the dlc, I was gonna look for a squad tommorrow.
lone basin
Just seems like a toxic way the control modding cause it benefits no one.
Well if you're an artist, you don't want other to take your piece and redistribute it right? Same here
halcyon gull
Yes, but I feel like it can be considered differently in the gaming use, cause they are just uploading a mod ON the game, that in no way would have negative effect on the money the game makes cause you'd have to buy the game to use it anyway.
lone basin
So if you rip the Tanoa map and reupload it for free it's alright for you?
halcyon gull
If they changed a bunch of stuff in it, added new building and then uploaded it on the workshop, I would have absolutely no problems with that
lone basin
But BI will lose money so it goes against what you said earlier...
halcyon gull
How do they lose money?
fossil basalt
@halcyon gull You do realise your time here will be short lived if you continue down this path.
soft egret
So ripping 20€ worth paid content and sharing it for free is fine. And hurts noone?
lone basin
By people not buying Tanoa since it's free somewhere on the SWS ?
soft egret
That's literally piracy
fossil basalt
This is not the "lets justify piracy channel"
brisk ember
besides, the way you'd even get the map to a stage that you can edit it already violates EULA and means you've been doing some dodgy shit
halcyon gull
I'm just discussing it
I said in my opinion that is a toxic way to moderate it but I never said that people should do it if it's not allowed
fossil basalt
3) Discussions about copy protection or copying, backing-up, hacking, cracking or reverse engineering of any of BI's products or the products of any other developer will not be tolerated and such discussions will be deleted immediately. Any breach of this rule may result in the poster no longer having access to the forum.
Read
halcyon gull
Is this whole thing not about discussing copy protection
fossil basalt
NO
halcyon gull
ok calm down
soft egret
Channel description says what this is about
fossil basalt
As I said, Read.
soft egret
But no worries, noone ever reads that apparently
halcyon gull
How do you see channel description
brisk ember
not really that obvious on mobile
there's this channel setting option that will show it
(at least for Android)
fossil basalt
halcyon gull
never knew that even existed
fossil basalt
Its at the top of the window
fossil basalt
Hes not on the mobile app according to Discord
fossil basalt
Kind of hard to miss
halcyon gull
I mostly focus on the text box and the chat in discord
fossil basalt
halcyon gull
Yes I've figured out where it is by now
scarlet patrol
returning to the actual Ip violation, what should I write on the email?
I guess proof of the violation above is enough
but in that link I showed above there are not all the responsable people
also what prevents them to just recruit them with steam?
soft egret
Just explain what they are doing, why you think its wrong (I guess BI knows their own EULA :D) and provide as much proof as possible
fossil basalt
Summarize what is going on backed up with links to screenshots of them stating what they are doing. Bear in mind that their primary language isn't english, so make it as clear as possible
soft egret
Or maybe just ask Dwarden to take care of them on steam
fossil basalt
Do both. But try not to bother Dwarden at the moment.
scarlet patrol
not sure whats worse, google translated chzech or my english
I'll go for the email first
fossil basalt
You do alright for us to understand
scarlet patrol
thanks for the help
fossil basalt
You're welcome
scarlet patrol
any way to recover one's steam profile link after they've blocked you?
this is for the report above of course
fossil basalt
search for it on the web rather than through Steam
scarlet patrol
I've found it
scarlet patrol
email sent
how long should I wait?
spare osprey
I received a reply in 24-48 hours
scarlet patrol
alright
scarlet patrol
should I expect a reply at all?
its been a while
fossil basalt
Sometimes they just forget to reply
carmine folio
you should get a reply
fossil basalt
In my experience, the response rate has only been about 60%
To put is plainly, if they had to respond to each email they receive, they would have to employ one person to do nothing but reply to emails
The alternative is automatic (non-personalised) replies. And no one likes those.
glad sparrow
DayZ, Modern Warfare, Battlefield, and various A3 mods their content ripped;
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1920416452&searchtext=
Once again from the same person;
https://steamcommunity.com/id/fros7bite
Already reported to infringements.
brisk ember
he just wants that sweet Patreon money I guess?
carmine folio
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?!
soft egret
DayZ, Modern Warfare, Battlefield, and various A3 mods their content ripped;
I thought that was already taken down weeks ago 🤔
brisk ember
fresh upload by the looks of it
dull moon
There are ways, but illegal
edgy quartz
You just need to know how to crack them
carmine folio
I'm faily certain there's a lot of obstacles that should've halted/slowed down his progress, but this dude has models from big games owned by even bigger companies
lone basin
Bigger companies also mean (usually) bigger games and more people willing to rip open those models
carmine folio
so .ebo and obfuscation can only stand so long?
dull moon
we should not talk about the basics of ripping here 😉
fossil basalt
100% correct
fallen hamlet
well, technically these are the basics of hacking / breaking encryption / blah blah blah
and A3 is the perfect decryption tool so no matter the amount of ofuscation you bring, you have a software in your machine that decrypts everything perfectly
faint nacelle
there is no need to discuss the means any further
scarlet patrol
its been quite some time, when should I assume my email has been forgotten?
fossil basalt
Define "quite some time"
scarlet patrol
around 8 days
never done this so don't know the timings
soft egret
no reply doesn't necessarily mean forgotten, I also don't always get a reply but they still put it onto their todo list and take care of it
scarlet patrol
so no reply implicitly means that the report is legitimate?
or do I just have to guess?
fossil basalt
It could just mean that they receive so many reports that it is too much work to reply to every email they receive.
scarlet patrol
not implying they are not doing their job
just curious if the claim was rightful or I've wasted their time
fossil basalt
For example, we have approx 10 moderators for ~29,000 users and we still don't catch everything. The person who receives those emails (yes, its more than likely just one person), based on typical role requirements at BI, has another job that they perform in addition to that responsibility.
So, my guess is that they respond if they have time, if not then they probably only respond to the most severe (if at all).
scarlet patrol
oof
weird tho
I know people that would do that for 20 bucks a month
but I guess you want to be safe when handling legal issues
hollow rain
@scarlet patrol You can be assured I've made sure the issue of your topic was passed on. The team is aware of it.
scarlet patrol
oh
much appreciated
Ive been annoying people on this matter for almost a month and Im glad I can stop talking about it
dapper pine
So a life server is openly selling content made with A3Tools at a monthly rate, which seems to be in direct violation of its EULA. https://arma3projectlife.com/
Within the content they're selling are multiple assets ripped from various games.
rustic copper
"we sell you stuff we didn't make"
Redistribution of content may only occur in .PBO format and in accordance with the BIS Tools Eula and Monetization Guidelines.
"but YOU need to follow the rules" 🤣
dull moon
uhm... what?
dapper pine
He's quoting from the website I linked and pointing out their hypocrisy
dull moon
oh, ok
soft egret
They can sell stuff from A3Tools, According to monetization approval.
But ofc they cannot sell other peoples stuff like TFAR which is in there.
But they can just say "you only pay for our stuff, the other stuff is included for free" which I hope they do...
stoic beacon
A3PL is dead
They're not doing anything anymore
Ohh, nvm.
They are selling their framework
manic narwhal
geez $800 a year
stoic beacon
I've got more than enough evidence to show they are "guilty".
Is there someone actually reporting them?
If so I might be able to help
soft egret
Btw not sure if infringements@ or monetization@
if they are doing bad stuff, then as always, please go ahead and report it
dapper pine
Yes Kola, I've made a report but if you've got more evidence to add I'm sure it would be helpful.
stoic beacon
I'll send you a DM when I'm home from work
grand oyster
Keep in mind that you will also need the latest @CBA and @TFAR which can be downloaded from there respective official sources:
If you would like to download the Project Life mods, please visit the Download Mods page.```
From the A3PL sitecould it be?
after all this time
a legit Life server?
soft egret
there are legit life servers
for example reallife rpg
but they are relatively small
the really big ones are never legit (says experience)
dull moon
On the other hand, only a tiny portion of the "big" live servers make it past the first year...
fallen hamlet
Dead servers. Is that a new mode?
dry quest
@scarlet patrol The A3PL content is all ripped from a heap of games, Idk how they are able to do a subscription service for them
https://imgur.com/gallery/DkoEYJV
scarlet patrol
oof
soft egret
Make sure that is all being reported appropriately.. (via email to BI)
outer ocean
so from what I undestand, a no derivatives means you cant do any change, not even tweaking it if you want to share it with your friends?
soft egret
yes
outer ocean
so I cannot change any aspect of it?
soft egret
you cannot make anything derived from it, which a change usually is
outer ocean
what if I got permission from the author? does that change or?
soft egret
you can probably make a config patch mod, noot sure if that counts as derivative
permission is above license, so yes that changes
outer ocean
right
so I just want to make a few config changes, does that mean I cannot post this on the workshop?
soft egret
I think you can still post your config patch mod. If you don't copy anything from the original.
But always best to ask the author too
outer ocean
anything that I have done is purely changing values from the original files
such as indirecthitrange,ace gurney and stuff
well shit thats very dissapointing
echo orchid
RHS uses CC BY NC ND 4.0 license for this reason. We can choose to tolerate or not 3rd party mods.
that includes config and textures edits just as well.
outer ocean
why though? Like isnt it better if people expand on your work?
echo orchid
it is always worth contacting the author and ask for permission / inclussion
@outer ocean - in general yes sure, but legally speaking it is better to be covered
i only enforced that ND license we have twice in the past 5 years
outer ocean
legally speaking? isnt this a game man?
echo orchid
lol
outer ocean
yeah, but hey its your mod not mine
echo orchid
@outer ocean the moment other people are making a shiton of money using content you've been providing and doing in your free time, come back and tell me this is still a game
blazing token
this also applies to all real world crap. why do you think companies copyright music if used in your video? Why do you think people who make artworks watermark their pieces?
“yeah, but isnt it better that I use their music?”
“yeah, but isn’t it better that I use their artwork?”
carmine folio
You’d spend your free time working on a mod, making an ambition into reality. An idea into code. After thousands of hours of banging your head against the wall because there was some typo in line 1,749 that caused everything to break down, your mod is finally done. You feel accomplishment as you upload the mod to the steam workshop. Then, some dude takes your mod, unpacks the files, puts it into a monetized server, and now he’s getting coke money from your work.
That’s why this channel exists
dull moon
and again a broken record is playing. we heard and said that countless times...
carmine folio
Broken record? Whom does it apply to?
dull moon
both sides
carmine folio
Ahhhhh I understand. You’ve been through this conversation many times before?
dull moon
jep... everytime i do this my beard grows an inch...
river spear
It's already on the floor at this point
dull moon
now figure 😉
blazing token
😂
carmine folio
One day your beard will be the one doing the Chernarus rework
dull moon
na, that's Ben doing it, thankfully. i know jack sh*t 'bout terrains 😄
carmine folio
@outer ocean i feel that i know you from somewhere, is your arma profile rommels to?
carmine folio
So I know of a server that is currently deploying my mod and refusing to take it down. Is this (aside from my attorney) where to go?
carmine folio
Thank you
brisk ember
isn't that just for violations of BI's IP?
carmine folio
Is it?
brisk ember
I thought so. You're quite on your own when it comes to your IP being violated, if I've understood conversations here correctly
carmine folio
Can't hurt to send them an email I guess
brisk ember
However, sharing the server and their mods might reveal that more IP is being violated. More authors could take action then
Nah, never hurts but just don't expect they'll help you out
carmine folio
In this case it's http://switchyourdream.de/ , where the owner first tried to put the blame on someone else, then asked me if I had something to replace my mods with, and if I didn't have anything to replace them with, then he wouldnt' take mine down
I tried the constructive route
brisk ember
what exactly are your mods?
carmine folio
"Eric_Objects"
brisk ember
and are they available on just their A3Sync or Steam Workshop as well?
carmine folio
I'll go check that
I'm unsure, they have their own "launcher"
I really don't want to install that
brisk ember
Might be able to contact their host provider if they are not willing to take it down
You'll need to show that they use your mods though
carmine folio
Admittedly, they are. As pictures of their place shows, and the owner admitted to.
brisk ember
okay that's already something, but it'd also help to be able to show that it exists in their launcher
carmine folio
It's really a 3rd party software executable that I don't trust further than I would be able to throw my computer
Howtogetavirus.exe
brisk ember
Hm, as long as you've got the documents or photos that show that they use your stuff you should be alright then
but some of the veterans may be better suited to advise you here
carmine folio
I've looked about for an attorney in my country, no joke
This guy litterally annoyed me with his condescending tone
brisk ember
tone doesn't matter. You request they take it down; they don't, so you issue a DMCA at their provider
carmine folio
The guy implements my stuff, and then asks me to replace it when I ask him to take it down. Like what
How do you find their provider?
brisk ember
Did you mention to him you'll take legal action if they don't take it down?
brisk ember
You are quite right to threaten them with a DMCA takedown at either their address or the provider
carmine folio
I'd like to know how to put one of those into action though and I will
Empty threats are ...
empty
cinder ridge
make it sound more severe than it is lol, according to the website the "owner" is a 16year old, might be able to "scare" him enough to get rid of your content
brisk ember
I think @echo orchid had quite a convincing tweet that said 'You have XX hours to remove our content before we'll be forced to issue a DMCA' or something similar
carmine folio
How do I actually DMCA the individual?
One thing is to issue the threat but it seems so silly if it's empty
brisk ember
I'd wait for one of the veterans to advise you with that
carmine folio
Thank you for your help so far.
cinder ridge
@carmine folio If there is a Steam Upload you can issue one via the workshop page. I never had to issue one outside of steam thus far so I cant help on that end. As TheNightstalk3r said your best bet is to wait for someone who knows about it.
carmine folio
Yeah I doubt it has a workshop page as they have a launcher
cinder ridge
Yeah you are probably right with that then.
brisk ember
It's a Life Community isn't it...
manic narwhal
Most providers will have some info on their website about DMCA otherwise you contact their legal departments or support email address, not sure if you need a special form or a anything, I don't believe you do and definitely don't go via some 3rd party site that charges you
soft egret
@carmine folio fl0rixn is the problem? Good luck, he's already banned here for stealing other peoples content 👏
are they monetizing too or anything else bad?
They say in their changelog from saturday that they've re-added @stoic beacon's animations 🤔 Which is weird considering I don't see a permission request from him...
I doubt its worth the effort though, for a life server with a peak player count of 7 over the last week.
stoic beacon
He sent me a looooong email in which he excused himself.
I then talked to him over TeamSpeak and he told me he's not going to steal anymore and not rip stuff etc.
So I gave him permission.
Im talking to that guy right now to get this sorted out.
If he's not going to remove @carmine folio files I'm gonna revoke their permission to use my stuff and help Eric to take legal action
Alright, he's gonna take Eric's stuff down.
So should be all good now
soft egret
weird how the mod author himself seems to have no say in how his content is used.
but once a third party gets involved things get done quick 🤔
carmine folio
@soft egret Yes, he is the problem, somehow he's still argueing his point
He has offered me $, I've declined. He asked me why I'm not selling my assets, I told him that my assets and any work for arma has become a liability to my life, as I don't need to be at work actually making $, having to go to discord or teamspeak to play wack-a-mole with people threatening DMCA's because one community were allowed to host it, then some player there decided "look that's cool" and decided to host it on their own server.
soft egret
Selling your assets would be a EULA violation
carmine folio
That too
I never have, and I never will, but not just for the EULA
Cheers for the help to the people in here, @soft egret & @stoic beacon
hushed fox
Can anyone tell me if these awesome models from NASA are free to use? https://nasa3d.arc.nasa.gov/models
I cannot seem to find a license page that covers them, and the zip files do not contain any
soft egret
no license == no use
but
https://github.com/nasa/NASA-3D-Resources
All of these resources are free to download and use.
there is a license
We offer these assets for your use, free and without copyright.
carmine folio
Some people make awesome things and let other people have them for free
hushed fox
😋
unreal verge
https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/guidelines/index.html
According to NASA media use guidelines linked above, these models are free to use for non-commercial purposes. Often US government content is not copyrighted and in public domain, such as the U.S. flag, so it makes sense why NASA would be relaxed with their copyright.
hushed fox
thank you
echo orchid
@brisk ember you can’t dmca a person, you send a C&D then take him to court. you can however dmca every provider he uses
and yeah dont make empty threats
brisk ember
Then technically you send a DMCA to Valve when you do it on the workshop?
rustic copper
A DMCA notice informs a company, web host, search engine, or internet service provider that they are hosting or linking to material that infringes on a copyright. The party that receives the notice should take down the material in question as soon as possible.
So when some puts copyright protected material at any host, you can "force" the host to remove it as long as you can prove you are the owner of the original content.
Every host (like Valve with the workshop) is required to have at least one method to send DMCA takedown noticed (email, form, fax number, etc.).
echo orchid
that is not just host, but service provider for website, arma server etc
rustic copper
*host = any company who is hosting content for themselves or others
echo orchid
i thought you meant host - wherever someone was hosting the infringing files
rustic copper
Copyright is a way to protect content created by people who steal it...
scarlet patrol
got me thinking tho
if I clone 20000 wendy's burgers and sell them
does Wendy own the IP of the burger's atoms structure?
I should sleep
rustic copper
I'm sure McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's, etc. all checked out each others products to see if something got stolen/copied...
Recipes for food (sauces, % of actual meat, etc.) also fall under copyright 😉
scarlet patrol
I flashed this entire future scenario where clonation is a thing and food companies hold copyright over the DNA of an handful of animals
unreal verge
It's not possible to hold copyright over what happens in nature. However, one could copyright gene modification processes that modify things in nature.
soft egret
Guys. Keep in mind this channel is supposed to only be about Bohemia infringements, anything else -> #other_ip_topics
And spam like @carmine folio isn't appreciated at all. Please just keep such utterances to yourself in the future
indigo thorn
@echo orchid - if you've not already seen this, you might want to check it out:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1868244075
Pretty sure the Block II RIS are RHS content. Wouldn't be surprised if there's much more RHS ripped in there.
I've just filed a DMCA for all my ripped content in it...
soft egret
Sfod-d? Just like the one @waxen star advertised last month
waxen star
No idea what you are talking about
soft egret
You advertised a unit with the same name, a month ago in #communities_arma3. Thought might be related
waxen star
No. I have no idea how to make mods. And plus not even in that unit anymore 🙂
crystal talon
https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/ehb374/mod_special_operations_forces_mod/
So much ripped stuff in here
cobalt creek
FreddoToday at 10:50 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/ehb374/mod_special_operations_forces_mod/
So much ripped stuff in here
@echo orchid RHS stuff
brisk ember
Sigh.... “I wrote configs” but then includes the entire mod?
No wonder it’s not on the workshop
crystal talon
* AK Vests
* Project BJC
* C.O.S.
* Crye JPC
* Ops Cores
* Under siege productions
* MICH 2001
* DADPAT
and more that I weren't able to identify
@manic lark @trail shuttle
manic lark
Roadrunner has been banned from the community for ripping models and distributing stolen IP. Just an FYI.
@crystal talon
soft egret
That looks VERY fros7bite to me. Can someone please grab me a copy before it gets DMCAed? I wanna take a look and see who we need to get rid of
heavy moon
ya can do @soft egret , I'll pm you a link once it's done
indigo thorn
For info, I've just found another version of the mod I found with loads of ripped content in yesterday. Just checking through now - I don't think this one has the RHS Block II RIS in it but a large amount of the content is the same. Interestingly, it's still got the Echelon Internation logo on everything so I guess this is what Frostb7te had on his googledrive telling everyone to download it quick before it goes....
Given it has a ton of Frostby7te stuff in it and that DID steal RHS mods, I figure it's worth letting @echo orchid know again. Link to mod is:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1915444892
faint nacelle
The above links author seems to have another similar package uploaded.
green shale
well isn't the opposition team known for that
carmine folio
break dozens of IP rights
get punished
"what?"
break dozens of IP rights
get punished
"what?"
rinse and repeat
prisma scaffold
Some people just don't get it tell the police are beating on your door.
carmine folio
"Fbi open up"
flat relic
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1951933264
Hi this mod using my skins and textures without my permision and when i ask to remove they put the show mod to friends only
Please check it thanks
fossil basalt
@flat relic Its not for us to check, its for you to assert your rights via a DMCA claim
dull moon
Now that it's private and not public accessible anymore, you're out of luck I'm afraid
flat relic
I will wait until it turn to public
echo orchid
@flat relic you can still DMCA that, by using the ID
echo orchid
when you wake up with a false DMCA on RHS USAF and no e-mail from steam about it...
that’s why some of the kids around here can’t have nice things...
dull moon
Seriously? Wtf...
echo orchid
very tempted to just do nothing and see what happens....
woeful bronze
@echo orchid Same situation with CUP, also got a DMCA notice on CUP Vehicles and no email from Steam
echo orchid
@woeful bronze yeah seen.
woeful bronze
Do you have steams email address for addressing such things ? I'm searching but can't find anything
fair gazelle
steep quiver
The message on the mod page says they're going to review it first, maybe the form is filled out with some bullshit.
YouTube sometimes reviews the cases themselves and just says "yeah no, this is clear cut not a violation"
echo orchid
i want the bloke's details
dull moon
#MeToo
@hollow rain what would it take to get this also for arma 3 mods?
https://workshop.ylands.com/
i am not quite sure how the ylands workshop works, but it seems like BI hosted, and moderated. can you confirm this?
if so, the arma community would very much like to also have access to a moderated and BI hosted workshop to prevent incidents like this:
https://twitter.com/Arma3CUP/status/1213115293352026117
https://twitter.com/rhsmods/status/1213021143424217089
echo orchid
need to pool that #350 for it yo happen
dull moon
eh... ezpz...
gimme 10min to milk some lifer admins for monetization licenses 😉
echo orchid
they have infinite amount of # currency
dull moon
the more the better, or what's the saying? 😄
what are your thoughts on this?
https://twitter.com/A3_Melle/status/1213122626467618816
Twitter
soft egret
tbh most problems could probably be solved if we had more workshop moderators, from the community. but I think valve doesn't do that? Might ask dwarden bout that
dull moon
BI itself is already limited last i know
so community moderators don't seem to be realistic
rustic copper
Actually, Valve has a full community driven moderator system in place, which also allows moderating the workshop:
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/marketing/community_moderation/adding_moderators
soft egret
yeah dwarden told me about that, but dunno why BI doesn't put it to use
rustic copper
because some moderators are too strict? 😉
echo orchid
no, it is because amounts of people
dull moon
i read through the workshop moderation page. it doesn't seem like moderators can revoke a DMCA, just mark objects as incompatible and lock them
so... in the end same as it is now. no protection against false DMCA claims
echo orchid
i wouldn't mind these false DMCA claims
but i wouldn't be surprise if the page would become hidden
like it happened with USP
it is also a complete waste of my ducking time
dull moon
true, but i don't think moderators can actually interfere with an ongoing DMCA case
like make the page not disappear
echo orchid
true, mainly because all these claims needs to be looked over
echo orchid
yeah
dull moon
but looking at ylands and their non-steam workshop, i think BI learned their lesson for arma 4
hopefully
rustic copper
It would solve one of the issues with the workshop, and that is illegal copies of mods...
Not false DMCA's, which is something Valve should fix...
steep quiver
Valve risks their safe harbour provision by even judging the notices themselves right?
I would not give that power to some random joes.
dull moon
well, valve only knows if it is a false DMCA if they look into it deeper. what freaks me out is the same as PuFu mentioned. the disappearing site during investigation
echo orchid
are ripped stuff
no one as big as valve cares all that much
unless you make some automated process
there is no way to have enough ppl to handle that manually
@steep quiver whoever fills a DMCA needs to provide believable proof of ownership
rustic copper
not really...
echo orchid
DMCA, yes it is
rustic copper
DMCA's in workshop are a joke... and I doubt they even check what was written and if it's valid...
dull moon
unless you make some automated process
@river spear already has a database that could be used for automated back checks. it needs implementation tho, but that's up to higher levels to do
echo orchid
Type your full name into this box, acting as your digital signature```@rustic copper i can tell you that they do, considering i have filled over 1000 DMCA takedowns so far
dull moon
panics... needs to step up the take down game 😂
echo orchid
:))
rustic copper
I've sent less, and all with the same text:
This content contains 3 files (main.pbo, ilbe.pbo and rf3080.pbo) which belong to https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1875281645
And guess what... all got taken down...
echo orchid
@dull moon - dude, i did like 30 just the other day
echo orchid
@rustic copper hmmm, you never know with valve
dull moon
oh wait... 30?
echo orchid
if valve takes a page down
dull moon
you broke the valve rule of 25 max 😄
echo orchid
or whoever upload it in the first place
like 80% of the DMCA are being removed directly by the one that uploaded it in the first place
not by valve
@dull moon ahh damn, waiting on dawn to gimme a slapping
dull moon
a lot of them get taken down by valve actually. if the threshold of X days without a response has passed, they delete it
ahh damn, waiting on dawn to gimme a slapping
😂
dull moon
as you mentioned on CUP discord, it's the weekend. on monday maybe
echo orchid
it was some sort of automated e-mail dude
that should be working no matter of day :))
steep quiver
I think they really gonna review it first
echo orchid
i said i am expecting a real person to answer my counter claim questions after monday
hm, maybe
carmine folio
Will the site just become invisible for a short while or could it happen that local files get deleted? Wouldnt mind redownloading too much, just waiting for it to come back sounds like a waste of time just like pufu said :I
echo orchid
if any of the SW uploads gets hidden, yes everyone currently subscribed is affected
echo orchid
that's only around 2 mil affected individual subscribers between RHS and CUP, no big deal
dull moon
nah... peanuts
lol... imagine the bandwidth hit if both sites come back up at the same time and also all subscribers would be online at that time... could we break steam for a moment then? 😂
dull moon
😄
echo orchid
waiting on a 2 page essay now
hollow rain
@dull moon
what would it take to get this also for arma 3 mods?
Probably a lot of financial and technical resources that aren’t available for Arma 3. It’s an unlikely possibility at this stage.
I also don’t know how Ylands workshop works on the backend all that much either, but I would bet scale has something to do with the difference. While it might save some headaches here and there, it would be a huge undertaking of BI to moderate, host, and screen its own Arma workshop compared to Steam. Even then the processes to verify claims would still need to be made in similar ways. Even with its flaws it’s the better option. Just my guess.
Sorry was dealing with my cat.
carmine folio
Dogs don't sit on keyboards? I beg to differ :p
hollow rain
I was using my phone to type and she was climbing up stuff to jump down on me.
rustic copper
barking cats don't apply 🤣
dull moon
Dogs don't sit on keyboards? I beg to differ :p
treble rats might to that, not trained dogs 😉
hollow rain
Haha. Anyway!.... back on to IP rights.
dull moon
can we hope for a moderated workshop for future titles based on enfusion though?
echo orchid
i see what you did there....
dull moon
or does BI want to keep the steam option
i see what you did there....
you did not... 😉
hollow rain
I obviously can’t promise anything, because who knows what the future will hold. Right now the focus is developing Enfusion and it will depend what comes from that.
dull moon
i re-phrase that: future BI titles, no specific engine
echo orchid
damn
edgy coralBOT
Done.
scarlet patrol
https://steamcommunity.com/app/107410/discussions/10/1741106440018360058/?ctp=11
mama mia
these guys are back at it again
kinda losing hope in this system to see them being still completely able to scam people and break eulas
@hollow rain did BI managed to do anything?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/107410/discussions/20/1736634087702123673/
[recent recruitment post]
I understand there was a limit to the punishment but these guys have been doing this for basically a full year if you compare the 2 links
quiet epoch
@scarlet patrol just clicked your link and he appears to have been steambanned
scarlet patrol
oh that was fast
nice
rustic copper
he's been banned from the Arma 3 discussions it seems... not from Steam
soft egret
ah yep. Wanted to tell but didn't find where this convo happened :D
Got banned today.
scarlet patrol
the group leader is still up and running though
grand oyster
Was there a definitive answer for their actions? I can't recall
scarlet patrol
several people confirmed their deeds were not lecit
but I haven't seen any punishment yet
grand oyster
I recall a discussion, primarily leaning on the illegitimate side but if I recall correctly, moderators were going/looking to confirm
scarlet patrol
not sure, I think they decided it was not allowed but don't remember any official statement or any legal action
vocal briar
Are modified reuploads of ace3 allowed?
soft egret
according to GPL license the source of your modification needs to be available
besides that, according to their license yes, according to steam subscriber agreement no.
So in total.. no.
although.. the license kinda grants you the permission required in sub agreement 6D
not all parts of ACE are GPL though
clear mulch
if youre building on top of ace3, make you mod require ace3, otherwise you cant reupload ace3 content to SW its not you IP
vocal briar
Ah ok thank you, just double checking.
brisk ember
Hm, last time I checked with the ACE team they had nothing against reuploading an ACE3 version say without the medical thing, as long as you made it clear that it's not official
fresh harbor
Just read our license 🙂
scarlet patrol
yet people still upload blank mods called ace3
paper prawn
Which is an explicit violation of ACE3's license: When publishing a derivative of this product you may not use a name that might create the impression that your version is an official release.
fresh harbor
^
soft egret
Hm, last time I checked with the ACE team they had nothing against reuploading an ACE3 version
correct, as I said above "according to their license yes"
fallen hamlet
@brisk ember It is advised to put the group/clan name and/or the the word "Unnofficial" to avoid confusion though
brisk ember
Hm?
paper prawn
Think they're just late to the ACE 3 discussion 🙂
fossil basalt
If you would like to report an EULA violation, send it to infringements@bistudio.com
full hatch
thanks!
manic narwhal
Without naming them, i would love to know how are they achieving that, Arma communities opening up location based Op/LAN centres now 🤔
lone basin
They're maybe doing an Arma Gaming School 😄
manic narwhal
I saw a guy advertising to come to your community and train your pilots once, he wanted $70USD an hour, had a big fancy website and everything. His demo videos where the cringiest thing I've ever seen 😂
soft egret
@full hatch if you see a post of them on the steam forums, please send me link, their last account was already banned
scarlet patrol
so @soft egret as I stated multiple times these guys are keeping on with their buisness
I feel like there has to be a rule somewhere about costantly trying again and again
something to stop them to do so
soft egret
not sure what to do besides banning them from everywhere. If they can't advertise they'll disappear
scarlet patrol
can't just IP ban them from arma?
which sounds extreme I know but its like a plague
soft egret
sure
if you get their ip
but you don't
and it won't last for more than a day or two
scarlet patrol
I have the steam profiles
yeah ip are very very fluid these days
but knowing a guy can avoid punishment should not be a reason to not enforce it
paper prawn
Some of these seem somehow familiar https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/industrial/other/15-industrial-buildings-collection-i
soft egret
Somewhat, but not really. And such models are rather simple to make
low pebble
@dim oar..... What about it?
It's not a guessing game,, post something with information or.... not?
soft egret
Backpacks from Tarkov
novel goblet
Though shouldn't that be submitted to Battlestate Games (Tarkov developers) ip_right_violation place?
dim oar
Dont realy need to say anything regarding that , its pretty obvious
cobalt creek
Titles say anything ¯_(ツ)_/¯
manic narwhal
They are some ugly rips
rustic copper
RP servers don't care about bad quality 🤣
And all his mods are ripped...
https://steamcommunity.com/id/takeshiikovac/myworkshopfiles/?appid=107410
manic narwhal
All the other things on his workshop have the same "This is not mine i just ported (aka stole) it."
rustic copper
:ninja:
manic narwhal
god dam you
scarlet patrol
they can't search for your name and report you if its literally emojis
quiet epoch
how about you take another look at that url
scarlet patrol
yeah, just kidding
radiant onyx
To Whom It May Concern : https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1769922555
Repacked reupload of CBA, ChernarusRedux, CUP Terrains Core, CUP Weapons , Exilemod, NIArms All in One, JSRS Soundmod, and more.
soft egret
@dull moon (not Dscha)
thorny gate
good afternoon, just wanted to bring to people attention the mass effect opposition mod https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1820111165
which first of all uses ripped assets, and secondly has added a system that bans people (I.E. starting scenarios with their mod) that they don't like using steam id's. A friend of mine was able to grab the steam names, which includes optre devs, @soft egret , @pliant oar and many others: https://pastebin.com/zqAUgMky
oh yeah @faint nacelle is on here too
rapid cypress
Dedmen is even on that list multiple times 
soft egret
🤔 I'm not really sure if they really want to make me angry at them.. wouldn't end well for them I guess...
heavy moon
they have encrypted pbo files, they have also disabled arma splash screens - there is literally nothing in the game that says Arma anymore other than the exe with their mod loaded, they have disabled game functionality too - debug, func, config viewers all disabled.
i just dumped the entire config tho 🙂
soft egret
"encrypted"
heavy moon
obfuscated*
manic narwhal
What do they hope to achieve by disabling debug, config viewer etc...
soft egret
you not being able to look at their stuff
manic narwhal
But everyone already knows its ripped, and their code is like a dumpster fire, what else is there to hide? 😂
fossil basalt
Burn it to the ground.
faint nacelle
Well I'm not losing my sleep over not being able to use their mod. :D snakes assessment there sounds accurate.
wise cairn
Lol
vapid pagoda
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1692821813
A port of YuraPetrov's UH-60. The uploader even states in the mod description that he does not permission
manic narwhal
iirc he's not active anymore/given up fighting it.
vapid pagoda
Just out of curiosity:
If someone were to upload it on SW, nothing would happen because only Yura could file a DCMA and the mod would even stay?
paper prawn
Well the uploader could face a forum and discord ban if they cared. Anyway, should be discussed in #other_ip_topics This channel is for BI IP infringements
echo orchid
no, BI can take a moderation role and take that down on their own
paper prawn
Oh, did not know that they did that...
echo orchid
they have done it before
brisk ember
don't they just mark it incompatible?
echo orchid
no
brisk ember
aight (:
soft egret
@dry lichen You have a week to take that down. K thx bye.
echo orchid
@pliant oar
considering this is suppose to be IP violations 100% in regards to BI content
A - can we please have this channel moved to TROUBLESHOOTING section
B - have the current wrongly named #other_ip_topics (there is nothing off topic about it) moved here instead to CREATIVE DISCUSSION section and renamed to something like ip_community or ip_addons or ip_mods please
soft egret
can we please have this channel moved to TROUBLESHOOTING section
would cause even more non-bi chatter in here. I don't see the sense in two different channels tbh
echo orchid
neither do i, but if BI requires one of their own, then ok, fine
but i refuse to use something called offtopic IP for a topic that is not offtopic in the slightest
wooden ingot
I agree with Pufu - current placement of community ip problems is bit like trying to hide things under the rug
pliant oar
you misunderstand, this channel is for both our and community IP troubles aka violations
extra beyond that yet still IP-related discussion goes into the IP #other_ip_topics as other topics channel in offtopic group
echo orchid
from channels description
discuss there violations before sending email to infringements@bistudio.com , Arma 3 EULA : https://www.bistudio.com/community/licenses/arma3-end-user-license , other ip discussion goes into #offtopic-ip
@pliant oar
pliant oar
yes, the key word is other
soft egret
Also got told by others that this is only for BI, which is why #other_ip_topics was created
echo orchid
also we have been told numerous times here by both @fossil basalt and @soft egret that we are suppose to discuss mod related IP issues in #other_ip_topics
scarlet patrol
I think offtopic is more for stuff like me asking if what I'm doing breaks IPs
while this is for discussing an imbound report
pliant oar
#other_ip_topics, Intelectual Property, copyrights, trademarks discussion which doesn't fit into #ip_rights_violations
echo orchid
but if what @pliant oar said stand true, then 🦆 that offtopic ip channel altogether as far as i am concerned
cheers for the clarification
pliant oar
fades into stellar shadows
scarlet patrol
oh @echo orchid wasn't trying to talk over you, I'm just noting what seems to be the discussed topics on here
wheter they are correct or not I'm not sure
what you said clearly makes more sense
pliant oar
unless you want 3 channels, our IP, community IP and other IP 😉 and that leaves also option for 4th as offtopic IP 🤣
echo orchid
neah duck it, 1 was enough, the other one was created because someone - i will blame rob because he left, thought it would be wise to push some ip issues under the rug
in anycase, maybe misscom, all fine
pliant oar
the point of discussion here before sending email, was to avoid false/overload with nonense of department handling IP infringement vs our IP
generally if it's clear that something got stolen from BI, it's no question asked, just report it to email listed
cobalt creek
#ip_bi
#ip_community
?
pliant oar
like i said i see no point to have extra channel for just stuff stolen from us
anyway if you want extra attention on specific IP case, dm or ping me / nillers
scarlet patrol
was just passing by to ask if there were any updates on that scam group I reported a while ago, but I see there are more pressing topics
echo orchid
maybe some proper/better description of this channel would work too
pliant oar
also, please do realize while we manage the workshop, we can't know all (e.g. every other game developer assets and theirs IP rules for those assets)
generally it goes this way, 1. ip owner defends own stuff 2. Valve cause it's theirs workshop 3. us ... 4. the rest
pliant oar
where #ama ?
echo orchid
separate hush hush discord
pliant oar
also, do remember removing Arma / BI branding is BIG no ... (falls under the 3. us as taking actions)
huh ? don't get that @echo orchid ...
pliant oar
goes back to rest-mode, growing antibodies ...
lone basin
I've seen an Arma 3 server with a Discord Store page for their server: https://i.imgur.com/xr8UuyR.png (screenshot of their store page)
Is this allowed or legal? What if they start to sell something? Are they allowed to put BI as Developers and themselfes as Publisher? This is just a server, BI as nothing to do with them except making the base game. It's the first time I've seen an Altis Life server using that...
paper prawn
How did I guess it would be a Life server before looking at the image? Odd, very odd... 🤔
lone basin
Very odd indeed 😄
rapid cypress
Btw has anyone looked into the Starship Troopers mod? Its made by the same team as the SW and ME mods I think so the chance of it containing IP violations is propably like 95% but getting a clear answer would be good
faint nacelle
its not legit
muted sphinx
Both it and the mass effect one are marked incompatible now from last i checked
rapid cypress
Yeah heard that aswell
paper prawn
Yep
soft egret
@lone basin setting BI as publisher of something they are not publishing, not allowed.
Writing "ArmA" instead of "Arma" and saying its copyrighted by BI, not allowed. "Arma" is the trademarked name.
Selling ingame stuff (like server access) only if they are approved for monetization, they are currently not.
If anyone has free time and french, feel free to check their website. If they're selling anything I'll get them shut down. Doesn't look like they are currently
lone basin
They don't seem to sell ingame stuff, they only have a donation page and there is no benefits for now
soft egret
I just visited it, its online
lone basin
They sell nothing that I can see. Also they set BI as the developer I belive (unless Publisher doesn't mean the same in German and in English?).
soft egret
Developer/Publisher is same difference in engl/germ
lone basin
Oh well, they are also breaking Discord Game Submisssion Guidelines, ¯_(ツ)_/¯
soft egret
Are they really sticklers for the capitalization?
no. That was more a joke on them not even knowning how to write Arma 3
paper prawn
ARMA 3 😡
crystal talon
rapid cypress
Looking at the collection thats atleast relevant to @soft egret , @undone pier and @dull moon I think
Collection contains:
Task Force Radio SG (their naming not mine so pls no booli dedmen )
ACE SG
IFA3 Liberation SG
CBA_A3 SG
IFA3_AIO_Lite SG
IFA3 Liberation SG
Cup Terrains - Core SG
crystal talon
@real anvil too
rapid cypress
Which mod is he with 
?
crystal talon
IFA3 Liberation
rapid cypress
Ah oki neat
carmine folio
When someone reuploads KA mods and says all rights belong to him
brisk ember
link?
fossil basalt
KAs "mods" are all ripped anyway
hallow frigate
@soft egret Are you sure about that ArmA vs Arma topic? Can't find "Arma 3" at the US Trademark and Patent office. Bohemia Interactive only protected "ARMA II" (regardless of case type) any other are missing or labeled "dead"
soft egret
The trademark is case-insenstive ARMA
Yes I'm sure. Arma is a latin word, standing for arms/weapons/weaponry.
And you know Latin capitalization right?
Want me to link the blog post by BI where they explain it?
rapid cypress
I'd be interested in seeing the blog post
hallow frigate
Yea, I know the translation. Just because you said Arma is trademarked by BI while ArmA is not (or I misunderstood you here).
If you have it at* hand, yes please :)
chilly silo
@hallow frigate You do realise that by Trademarking a name or word you don't claim all rights to the use of that word. Only its use relating to a defined context don't you?
Those are the two live Trademarks related to ArmA in the US. They relate solely to Computer Game use.
paper prawn
chilly silo
You do realise that @soft egret is correct. Case sensitivity does not matter in Trademarks.
paper prawn
Yeah... was a joke. In fact the TM explictly says that font style, weight, etc. are irrelevent. So Dscha's not wrong when he uses ArmA 😉
chilly silo
or arma or aRMa 😉
paper prawn
The one thing that is absolutely true though is that the game is not Armed Assault!
chilly silo
Not sure what you mean by that
paper prawn
Some people claim that ARMA stands for Armed Assault... which it does not
chilly silo
OK. well again Dedmen debunked that
carmine folio
well it was Arma: Armed Assault then Arma 2 so naturally someone would think ArmA would stand for Armed Assault
brisk ember
except where is it spelled ArmA beyond that game?
it's been Arma ever since
not ArmA
faint nacelle
You guys just loooove to whip that old dead and long ago decomposed horse. aRmA4eWaH
manic narwhal
Literally every 2 weeks at least 🤦♂️
paper prawn
It's all dscha's fault though
cobalt creek
probably.
scarlet patrol
https://steamcommunity.com/app/107410/discussions/10/1742266332659872857/
holy moly they are relentless
rapid cypress
First you will need to go here: BIA Website [www.biaarma.com]
Click the "Register with Steam" button, top right of the main page.
Click the "Sign in with Steam" (If you don't have Steam, follow the instructions)
A verification window will appear if done correctly.
Click "Save Your Profile" and include an e-mail for community updates.
I totally trust these guys enough to log into their website with my steam account
100%
keen trout
you don't dare to share your steam id?
steam is one of the few "major" SSOs who don't share an email
snow bloom
In fairness, the steam login doesn’t give them any details that aren’t publicly available. Probably the most reliable thing about their community
keen trout
yep
scarlet patrol
the thing about these guys is they scam mission makers and teamleaders
rapid cypress
These are the guys that wanted to pay people, no? @scarlet patrol
scarlet patrol
yeah
brisk ember
they're not paying anymore, are they?
scarlet patrol
at least they're not using it as an advertisement point anymore
but I think they still do it with the current members
brisk ember
What, the 20 people that join weekly?
carmine folio
Why're y'all so mad at them?
scarlet patrol
- they pay people for ingame roles (which makes said people break Arma eulas)
- they decide wheter to pay them or not based on their mood
snow bloom
Just to give an example or two, I was hired to make their website, I was scammed out of 4/500 GBP, and the dev before was scammed out of 200 USD
All because Aris (their fearless leader) never thought to mention the fact he needed backwards compatibility to
IE6
shudders
dull moon
There is a good reason for contracts and it is usual to have 50% up front payment
So even if one gets "scammed", 50% are already paid
I never do work without up front payment. The percentage depends on the job/work tho
snow bloom
Yeah I got 150 up front, but should’ve asked for more
scarlet patrol
this current recruitment post doesnt seem to be using cash as their selling point but they're probably already fully staffed and still paying people
does that qualify for removal?
faint nacelle
all moderation actions need proof of wrongdoings Id wager.
scarlet patrol
took me literally 12 minutes to make them admit everything
so yeah, proof is there
dull moon
u KGB? Men not talking unless is KGB 😉
faint nacelle
you can send that to the moderators for evaluation
If true though they might be using Arma 3 to do business in very EULA breaking ways.
rapid cypress
the thing about being supported by an actual buisness is interesting though
scarlet patrol
oh no its just one guy who thinks he can buy obedience and respect
I wish there could be a rule to ban these people from steam
dull moon
was the DMCA on BTF Utility revoked?
@brisk ember
nope, it's still there (terrains)
paper prawn
The mods have been removed. I assume by the uploader
dull moon
brisk ember
I know it's still on Terrains, but the one on Utility was gone
dull moon
oh, you're right @paper prawn
brisk ember
removed or set to private
paper prawn
True
brisk ember
just wait a week, maybe he'll put it back to public 😛
heavy moon
everything in those uploads could be made as a collection,. did anyone explain that to the guy?
rustic copper
You really think the guy will listen? He can't even read the laws he's referring to...
wicked gust
In regards to Sanchez's post, I'm man enough to admit if I made a mistake at any time, whether in regards to PTV or outside of it. None of the mods were edited, ripped from bigger mods, renamed, etc. I checked through all the eula's on their respective pages both on and off steam. It was a misunderstanding on my end then, because while PTV and other mods specifically state no one under any circumstance can upload/reload any pbo other than the original author.
The server I play one had a list of over 60 something mods. I unfortunately though by putting up a mod folder with the smaller editor related mods we use into a single mod folder unedited/untweaked/unrenamed/etc was not an issue again because I didn't see anything in the licenses. Did I screw up? Apparently, but at least I am not hiding it nor was my intent anything malicious as some are making it appear. Especially at the risk of tarnishing the image of myself and my own mod project. I already got rid of it and have written the mod authors directly for written ok's which--if provided--will be pasted on the workshop item (again if the permission is given by those mod authors).
Again, just wanted to address it as I am no thief nor was that my intention at any time. I know all too well how even sometimes small mistakes can cost mod authors a lot in the community. And I can bring up certain people who our community had to chase out whose intentions were malicious with theft, stealing credits, breaking eula's, using stolen content, et al. So you bet your butt I'm going to do what I have to clear up things and deal with them head-on than to risk such a fallout upon my own shoulders.
And apparently by the looks of it, the pitchforks are enmasse and fires burning high for me.
https://i.imgur.com/ssL6qAg.png
Also to add, when I started to think that my understanding was actually on the wrong side of the tracks--I did update the page making things far more clear. However, even so I did just drop it entirely as well as still awaiting responses from the authors directly--both via steam and the bi forums. Although the Extended Fortifications mod was abandoned as-is and given over to the community to continue to build on as long as his license stays in tact and permissions retained. So even if everyone else cleared things up and gave me an ok, that one i won't be able to have re-included since he is gone.
rustic copper
tbf... if a mod creator or license doesn't give explicit permission to upload it to the workshop (or anywhere else) it's not allowed by default.
Even Steam Workshop EULA states that you need to have full permission without any licensing before uploading it (since that is required by Valve).
So the last line in that description (in image) is wrong...
Not to mention that PLP mods have a disclaimer:
Any unauthorized modification of the released files is not allowed without any written permission by the author(s).
So the "pitchforks" have a reason and are valid in my eyes
brisk ember
Taking it down and waiting for the explicit permission required would warrant withdrawal of said pitchforks in my eyes
echo orchid
@wicked gust read this
https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/
brisk ember
Better this way than legal trouble, right?
wicked gust
Yes, someone mentioned something about section 6 i think, but i read it and i guess i was still a bit of a complete moron to fully grasp the technicalities. I admit, sometimes a lot of this goes over my stupid head. Even when figuring out what to write for my mod project--i think i spent a good week scratching my head over eula's and creative commons stuff, etc.
wicked gust
Indeed, @brisk ember, indeed. I feel like a complete and utter idiot for sure
to say i feel 2 inches tall is an understatement of the century
like i said--there's been plenty who came through the community all smiles only to end up thieves and all kinds of other things. the last thing i ever, ever, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever wanted to do was put my stupid self into position to be looked at like i was the same type in the community
you know what i mean?
brisk ember
I do know. Look mate, it's not purgatory here. You did a bad thing, you were called out on it. You apologized and "took the fall". You understand what you did wrong. Get up and do it right from now on. That's all there's to it.
wicked gust
Yeah I know. Just wish I didn't make such a massively stupid move to begin with
brisk ember
You're by far not the only one to learn it this way
rustic copper
and for future reference: https://arma3practicalipguide.blogspot.com/
(PS shameless repost from owner, under Fair Use for research purposes 😉 )
brisk ember
fkin fair use xD
wicked gust
because i know damn well from here on out, there is going to be some small thing there if anything PTV came up like looking for help, etc. Like "wait a minute....isn't he the guy that did that stupid thing? Nah he can go F himself". But again, I have only myself to blame and deal with--no one else.
Thanks for the link btw!
brisk ember
What... Maybe if you did it repeatedly, that train of thought is justified. Not once and having apologized for it.
rustic copper
True... I also had half the community against me for just asking something IP related, and I'm sure nobody still remembers it 😉
But there are some unofficial blacklists of people/communities who are repeated offenders and have a bad name everywhere.
echo orchid
You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B. above or in any license terms specific to the applicable Workshop-Enabled App or Workshop page.
as in :
When you upload your content to Steam to make it available to other users and/or to Valve, you grant Valve and its affiliates the worldwide, non-exclusive right to use, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, transcode, translate, broadcast, and otherwise communicate, and publicly display and publicly perform, your User Generated Content, and derivative works of your User Generated Content, for the purpose of the operation, distribution, incorporation as part of and promotion of the Steam service, Steam games or other Steam offerings, including Subscriptions. This license is granted to Valve as the content is uploaded on Steam for the entire duration of the intellectual property rights.
This includes, without limitation, any kind of intellectual property rights or other proprietary or personal rights affected by or included in the User Generated Content.
In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).
in short, Valve requires the Original Author to share his own IP rights when he uploads his work on Steam Workshop
in order to share IP rights with anyone, you need to own these IP rights to begin with
the only one who owns the IP rights is the owner / original author
i feel it is pretty simple tbh @wicked gust
from a legal POV, in order for me to be able to give you permission to share RHS (my case) and re-upload on Steam Workshop, that would require for me to share the entire dev team IP rights with you
in written form that is.
wicked gust
Ahhhh ok. Yeah I understand the whole thing a lot more clearly. Thats where I was getting confused because of the whole eula's things. And now even if the individual eula's doesn't list anything, the workshop doesn't care if its a straight reupload, modified work or just a server folder as it were with the pbo's in--it doesn't matter. Still a no-go.
echo orchid
i think everyone here appreciates that. to be honest, i am well aware that the vast majority is not doing it out of anything else but ignorance
wicked gust
I just hope my apologies to the community--as well as to the authors directly that were sent to people like poolpunk for example--are seen as legitimate and not seen as "he's only apologizing because he got caught!".
echo orchid
he's only apologizing because he got caught!".
most people aren't even doing that, even after they got cought
wicked gust
Understandable. But I do appreciate your taking the time to set things more clearly--as well as the others above. As things would have ended up far worse for myself. 😦
soft egret
@wicked gust if the Arma 3 Publisher tool, showed you a popup telling you "Remember, according to the Steam Subscriber Agreement you can only upload content that you have made yourself. You cannot upload other peoples content"
Would that have been enough to deter you from reuploading these mods?
low pebble
Oof
wicked gust
Well I explained a few times already what happened. And apologized profusely. Like I said, in my stupid head all I was doing was to help out the group was just drag and drop the mods into a single folder. And because of that lapse of judgment and a bad call, I put myself knee-deep in a big pile and thankfully got set straight before it turned into an even worse situation.
I lost a lot of sleep i was so pissed off with myself. Not only as a mod maker, but someone who has been here since armed assault. I never once made a misstep with the community and always strived to maintain a positive image. And now....i've completely and utterly ruined it.
Some here have already told me it's not the end of the world, but I still cannot help but continue to feel it is and it was no one elses fault but mine. And now I have to learn to live with the idea of the community viewing me as no better nor different to the lifer's, thieves, and idiots who purposely go out of their way to break the rules and mock the community about it. Trust me, you have no idea how that feels. I'm already considering handing over my own project to someone else as it's not worth the risk of having the image of my project nor my team tarnished because of my own errors. That's how horrible I am feeling over the whole fiasco and a lot more. Again--I apologize for not thinking and will always continue to apologize.
brisk ember
There's no point apologizing further
soft egret
Why don't you answer my question
whole sedge
I mean he apologized multiple times so why keep pestering him? Everyone makes mistakes and he was willing to admit to it.
dull moon
if the Arma 3 Publisher tool, showed you a popup telling you "Remember, according to the Steam Subscriber Agreement you can only upload content that you have made yourself. You cannot upload other peoples content"
Would that have been enough to deter you from reuploading these mods?
this was just a simple and serious question with a wider background
rustic copper
3% of people actually read a TOS before agreeing to it... So I don't expect anyone to read a text before clicking on 'OK', 'I Agree' or anything similar.
However claiming to have read mod descriptions and not knowing it says "do not re-upload!" is something else...
dull moon
i mean, a simple 2 liner is more likely to be read than a TOS
specially if it's designed as an error msg 😉
unreal verge
you are crazy if you think people read error messages.
half the time when someone asks me to help with their computer problem, the solution is in the center of the screen, staring them in their face.
dull moon
It is what it is
I'm not saying that all will read such a message, but for sure more than 3%
rustic copper
tbf I can't remember such a message, nor did I read any EULA before I was made aware of it through this Discord... So again I'm not surprised people don't read.
lone basin
I think it was a suggestion; putting such message and make it clearly visible may detter people from reuploading content to the workshop
unreal verge
You're right, 50% is better than 3%. But I just intended to point out how ludicrous it can be for the other 50% who don't notice obvious messages in their faces.
lone basin
Yeah but those are willingly ignoring the rule
rustic copper
I ignore messages until something goes wrong or doesn't work as expected. The only way to make people read things is by forcing them, and even then some don't care.
wicked gust
Hello there. I just want to say while it's not easy to see things continue and continue to apologize to my community....again--i only have myself to blame. With so many thieves and trolls that enjoy stealing/modding/passing work off as their own, etc even going so far as mocking the community doing it....it's completely understandable that any offense or mistake regardless of severity be treated the same way.
I admit Dedmen's response did bring some confusion and would like some help with getting properly educated and clarification on something:
I've begun to get responses back from mod authors such as the creator of Eden Objects who sent back the following:
@Jobo - I'm fine with it, mate; if it's for anything Arma / community related :) Greetings to you and your group, have fun!
Now where my confusion and needing help with is for example Person A (i.e. the creator/author) gives Person B written permission to do something like I did--put together a file compilation--even with written expressed permission, does the eula of either the workshop publisher tool or steam itself make that permission null and void regardless just on the sole basis that even with permission from a mod author, you are still not its creator?
I'm really, really confused.
i mean, a simple 2 liner is more likely to be read than a TOS
@dull moon
tbf I can't remember such a message, nor did I read any EULA before I was made aware of it through this Discord... So again I'm not surprised people don't read.
@rustic copper
To be honest, I am guilty of that in general. Ironically I use to yell at family members for doing that and then coming to me with pc's and laptops chock full of adware and viruses totally confuzzled how it happened. And yet plenty of times installing programs on my pc or when a credit card company asks me to read the new eula for the year about all the changes coming, i end up just scrolling through and clicking "ok" instead of reading 5 pages of text that goes over my head.
Does that excuse me? No. In fact it just proves how much of a F'ing idiot I am, unfortunately. 😟
faint nacelle
Dedmens question I believe is regarding long discussed potential benefit of a "What is right and wrong" notification/infopackage build into the publisher itself.
smoky bronze
don't beat urself up man... everyone makes mistakes what matters is if you learn from them or not don't stress urself
lone basin
And you have already apologize yourself, understood your errors and you're still on this Discord, which is better than 90% of the people that break the eula (and didn't want nor care about that)
faint nacelle
perhaps there would be less torches and pitchforks if more of the people making this kind of mistakes behaved the same.
instead of arguing they can do whatever they want.
lone basin
Yeah, but instead the waste majority act like child and when they are ban, they send their whole clan here (still don't know what they are trying to achieve).
brisk ember
You can stop apologizing now ffs, it's getting annoying 😛
wicked gust
Exactly. That's why I came forward on my own right from the start. No one likes to get yelled at or called out. But hiding or ignoring things don't help. And I didn't want to get lumped with that other 90% that argue back or try to send in a merry band of clowns to back them up like Heyoxe said.
I knew it was going to be unpleasant, but would have been way more if I took an immature route of ignoring it. 😉
brisk ember
Steam will not take the initiative on legal action. Only if it comes from the author (DMCA takedown request), Steam will act.
lone basin
Isn't there an EU law (or whatever it's called) that is supposed to make them responsible of the content they host?
brisk ember
that's why they remove stuff when you issue an DMCA
I think that is the cheap easy solution to that ruling
not do sh*t until someone comes to complain
besides, Steam is US-based, is it not?
lone basin
Yeah but I remember the eu passing a law that would basically make them responsible of the content, nothing related to dmca (also you know eu, you can be based anywhere in the world, they don't care; looking at your, gdpr)
rustic copper
EU has indeed a law which makes hosters responsible of the data they host, which means they can be held accountable when something illegal (child porn, terrorism related and copyrighted material) is being shared by them.
This law does also apply to non-European services where a EU lawyer can take legal actions (in European court).
brisk ember
isn't YT full of copyrighted material that wasn't uploaded by the creator?
rustic copper
Yes, and YT (and many others) are required to have filters in place which block uploaded content to prevent it from showing up.
And to be fair, the filters of YT and Facebook are actually very good (and sometimes even too good).
Although this is becoming a bit #offtopic_politics 😉
rustic copper
So let's back to Dedmens question:
if the Arma 3 Publisher tool, showed you a popup telling you "Remember, according to the Steam Subscriber Agreement you can only upload content that you have made yourself. You cannot upload other peoples content"
Would that have been enough to deter you from reuploading these mods?
Right now Publisher only has a checkbox for "I agree with Steamworks license" and nothing more.
I believe that showing a message which lists some "do's/don'ts" or basic rules, and a link to a page on arma3.com or the wiki, explaining in detail what is allowed and what not based on EULA's (both by BI and Steam) and laws (Copyright and such)
lone basin
A wiki page is a great idea, will probably not be read by many as-is but implemented in that "error" message could be a great solution
rustic copper
just a pop-up after pressing the Publish button with a list and a link, and a 5 second delay before you can press "I solemnly swear that I am up to no good."
faint nacelle
That is something that has been discussed a lot. Some people think it could weed out a few % of reuploads, some say its just waste of time
rustic copper
It will at least make people aware of it and won't be able to say they didn't know afterwards...
like the guy in #arma3_questions ...
wicked gust
Yeah especially given my fiasco, i think it would be a great idea to have something like that in an easy to grasp layout.
heavy moon
without it being there we will never know its effectiveness,. better to have something there to try to inform and educate people than nothing imo.
paper prawn
The people that are dealt with here are not normally the Jobo's of the world. They are people who know exactly what they are doing
heavy moon
but if they read that the first time they go to publish something, they might think again and recheck their content,. repeat offenders are the exception, not the rule.
without trying, it will never be known 🙂
paper prawn
HAve no problems with BI doing that... maybe for DZSA first... 😉
The above was a joke...
heavy moon
they should do it for all their games open to modding.
rustic copper
But in that case the actual creators (and BI) have another reason to directly DMCA or even take legal actions. And with a little help of Battleye and/or Valve other measures can be taken on repeated offenders.
paper prawn
Their modding scene is crazy... lots of money being paid for people to use BI tools from what I can see
BattlEye does not help. Bohemia's first thing is to shut of BE... The people who are not bad work with BI and get it back on the right way, those who don't... L*fe... just don't use BE
rustic copper
but most L*fe servers also don't use Steam Workshop, so no Publisher 😉
paper prawn
most L*fe servers also don't use Steam Workshop after they get caught... Corrected that for you 😉
soft egret
SWOP/ Mass effect thing were un-flagged on workshop because the authors fixed all the IP violations 🤔
@whole sedge
I mean he apologized multiple times so why keep pestering him?
I'm not pestering him at all. I'm asking a serious question, that will help to support my request to BI to add a feature that will prevent people make mistakes and prevent people from even getting into that situation.
So again, @wicked gust please
https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/674161849373032448
would that have helped? would that have prevented you from making the mistake?
Would you have just clicked such a message away, ignoring its content? What effect would that have had?
You are one of the few people that will be able to answer that because you've been in that situation.
I don't think anyone is attacking or blaming you Jobo, people make mistakes, no big problem. The big problem are the people who do it on purpose.
does the eula of either the workshop publisher tool or steam itself make that permission null and void regardless just on the sole basis that even with permission from a mod author, you are still not its creator?
you need to be a contributor with permission, not the creator.
Technically yes, you didn't contribute, you can't reupload. But if the Author gave you explicit permission to reupload it, noones gonna bite your hand, except Valve when they notice you broke their subscriber agreement.
faint nacelle
@soft egret opposition fixed IP violations? I mean sure it's possible buuut sounds unlikely since their mods are not original IP to begin with.
scarlet patrol
https://steamcommunity.com/app/107410/discussions/10/1742266332659872857/
any progress on this?
its been almost a year
scarlet patrol
I mean, is there really no ripercussion for keeping on with this shady stuff after multiple warning?
soft egret
Talk to Dwarden :u me no hav time
scarlet patrol
yeah I guess nothing else can be done then
soft egret
Have you talked to dwarden?
faint nacelle
I wonder do they keep the login information of their members safe.
Anyways their current post no longer mentions the payments etc so in that sense it might be clean enough now.
of course if they still practice same stuff in the background thats crappy.
rapid cypress
Time to send in a secret spy man 
manic narwhal
shouts Miller we have an assignment for you!
scarlet patrol
@faint nacelle https://imgur.com/a/4lqzemA
at least they're not using it as a selling point for recruiting like in the past
but they still do it
scarlet patrol
the thing is they consider themselves right so they don't even bother hiding it
that image I posted is literally me asking
wicked gust
@soft egret Yeah honestly if something popped up with a less "you need a lawyer to explain it to you" format, I personally think a notice maybe with a count down timer i think someone else suggested would be a really helpful thing and help avoid what happened with me.
Is that something BIS would have to do or is that something Bohemia would have to approach Steam and request?
wicked gust
Ahh ok cool
faint nacelle
Its something we've discussed here in the past. It however has been difficult to get any feedback of its possible value from people making mistakes as they usually end up bit of hostile.
languid elbow
hg buddy.. you are captain understatement some times :D
rapid cypress
Is that something BIS would have to do or is that something Bohemia would have to approach Steam and request?
Sidenote, BIS =/= BI
languid elbow
and often are already banned
wicked gust
Ahhh I guess thats why my pov was a bit wanted compared to all the aggressive trolls and whatnot. :)
So yeah as someone who was in that situation--i wholeheartedly agree it would be a great thing put into place, especially with a countdown. This way it forces people to read through a very easy to understand "this is what this is, this is only the things you can do--anything beyond this is a no-go and if you proceed...it's your own fault" kind of format.
And this way too anyone caught pirating, etc. cannot hide behind any excuse because they had to sit there for like say 10-15 seconds for example with a clear popup before the tool let's them even continue. Although I'm sure most of those types wouldn't even care anyways. But still....it would be great help avoiding "oopsies" like what happened with me.
(TL:DR - As an official idiot--i am in full support of such a thing! 🙂 )
rapid cypress
thanks for sharing your opinion on it
wicked gust
Sidenote, BIS =/= BI :blep: @wicked gust
@rapid cypress
Hah, yeah I sometimes do that. Just like when talking weapons--I tend to mix up IMI/IWI 😄
rapid cypress
rustic copper
As said before; a message explaining some basic "rules" about publishing mods every time you press the Publish button will at least keep the people from posting stuff due to not knowing.
If someone still publishes content which he/she shouldn't, then it just makes DMCA's more valid and putting people in the meat grinder more fun 😉
And those who don't use the Workshop... well, they either do it on purpose or really have no idea what they're doing...
wicked gust
yeah exactly
languid elbow
i constantly get ppls asking me to put my mods on aholic
noneo f them can givee me a reason why they can't use steam.. cough pirated cough arma cough
wicked gust
I remember when A3 first came out and the whole workshop use. I was stubborn at first because I was so use to manually downloading from there and installing mods and using a launcher. But I found myself quickly going from complaining to "why didn't we have this back in arma 2?!". :D
Now I usually only check those places to report bigots still whining about seeing black people in PTV's configs. 🤦
But yeah, with how much easier the WS makes things compared to the old days, I tend to agree and wonder if a lot of these requests are people trying to keep under the radar out of sight out of mind.
manic narwhal
Most of them are playing cracked games, a few are people who are really unlucky with WS bugs, and the others are people who use A3S or similar to distro mods to there communities and SW is just an annoying extra step over a github or similar download.
mortal dust
Sorry to ask but was the Arma staff aware of the underhanded move that the Opposition team did (banning other modders from using their mods)?
They had a sqf script where it prevents certain users from using any of the Opposition mods, mostly other modders, called a 'ban_list' and uses the SteamID64 numbers to blacklist them
tough vine
They didnt banned modders, they banned people with good reasons. And thats allowed as i understand to prevent more trolls/haters to act. The only ones complaining are the banned people as that affect only them.
mortal dust
Weird, given that there was a blacklist posted on the Pastebin page and the entire Operation Trebuchet were on the list
tough vine
A lot of BS is said, lots of haters
mortal dust
Here's the samples
tough vine
yeah, anyone can make a list..
the script seems legit
but has nothing wrong
the list.. sure.
i can add and erase a few too if i like
mortal dust
The first Pastebin shows the name of the SteamID64s, while the second is the sqf script that may be present in the SWOP/MEOP/STOP mods
tough vine
ok, give me a minute and i can make a pastebin too. Thats silly to think this is legit
SteamID is public info , so nothing wierd
mortal dust
Why the damage control?
mortal dust
Still, putting OPTRE staff on the blacklist sounds anti-consumer
tough vine
Anti-consumer? they use optre for the maps pack... it would be anticonsumer if that wasnt needed at all to avoid its use.
And if some people is banned from that mod team, its with good reasons. Some are really toxic people
mortal dust
BDC being toxic pffff
tough vine
The thing here its that some unit leaders are banned due to they behaviour and actions against the team. So now they brainwashed their communities . And its easy to attack a group of 3/4 using 3k people
Its your say... i dont know BDC and why he was banned. You dont know either, its his word against the mod devs.
Same as a person beign banned here
its the devs/mod say
not the banned person
hehe
mortal dust
I'll just wait until I hear about Bohemia's stance on the Opposition banning people from using their mods
tough vine
Haha ok man.
You just have to love the trolls or haters banned to keep asking for some kind of revange. Just dont use their mods and continue with your playing life.
At last, its their free work.
You dont paid them and they dont ou you nothing.
manic narwhal
@mortal dust Yes its already been brought up here, half the people on the list are BI devs including Dwarden, and mods from this discord like Dedmen, and other respected members of the community.
@tough vine I suggest not defending the actions of Opposition mod team here or you will get banned quick smart, the reason they get "hated" on is because there mod is a cesspool and a violation of Disney's IP
mortal dust
I was about to bring up the SWOP's DMCA before
tough vine
I wont get banned for defending them, im not breaking any rule.
There are a LOT of IP brand violating mods our there on Steam and outside of it but you only attack those who cant defend.. nice.
And the list im sure its pure lies, who would ban the game devs? think for a moment please!
Yoo just want revange, thats all.
And if has anything to do with disney, then they will do something if they think is needed, not you.
but yeah, keep waining haha. I love to read the show
mortal dust
meh
manic narwhal
Discussion of Disney related IP is a banned topic, continued discussion in its defence will likely get you banned like others before you.
mortal dust
Anyways, at least I know this has been brought up before.
tough vine
Thats what im saying, you brought it up here haha.
Also remember that you cant fill a dmca unless authorized by the author or if you are the author. Read about it please as its a legal important matter.
Thats to seeohzee
mortal dust
Why would I want to DMCA something I don't own?
tough vine
I know, i just read what you write above
manic narwhal
This ban list pulled from the mod, multiple BI employees and veteren community members https://pastebin.com/zqAUgMky
mortal dust
Wait, BI members were on the list?
tough vine
its easy to use pastebin you know?!
manic narwhal
config dump the mod and you will find the exact same list
manic narwhal
you cant cause they removed all BI branding, disbaled config viewer and tried poorly to obfuscate the files
tough vine
thats due to the program used! .. maigosh haha
its sold and has that feature
go ask Arkensor
so here you can see, you say things that are not true and its clear you are wrong.
Cant defend your bad intentions and argument and go low?
Its ok, no need to continue this
manic narwhal
TLDR The mod is a violation of Disney's IP and discussion in support of it is against the rules of all BI platforms.
tough vine
Keep your opinions, and i will keep mine.
Arguing with you makes no sense and is a waste of time. 😉
manic narwhal
@tough vine You sound like your on the Op mod team
mortal dust
And you sound like a Op shill
sharp kraken
given he joined the discord for this channel 🤔
quiet epoch
Why doesn't anyone follow the ancient internet rules anymore: don't feed the trolls
faint nacelle
I'm on that ban list, doesn't really especially affect me as I have never even played the mods due to them all being produced with content stolen from other games.
If the list is real (can't be bothered to check if the mods work for me) I'm then probably one of the toxic people just because I have criticised the opposition teams way of using stolen content and making money out of it. (donations, patrons etc)
I don't think it's against any rules to create such a system though, it is their mod in that regard and if they wish they can try to hide the facts.
Other mods that use stolen content get the same treatment around here, opposition is not a special case either in that regard.
scarlet patrol
is there really no policy on the workshop about restricting people from using your content?
quiet epoch
setting it to friends only 😛
scarlet patrol
but thats a setting the workshop offers
don't see any option to ban people
faint nacelle
In essence, if you made it, you can apply whatever license etc on your work. That's how I've understood it anyway.
Steam workshop is just the host for the content and has very little limits on it. One of the most essential ones regarding modding is that you have to have made the content yourself.
I don't think BIs license for Arma denies making such a thing either.
scarlet patrol
oh I see, at least its not illegal, just dumb
quartz jacinth
Iirc there is a part in the steam workshop rules that forbids such unequal treatment of users but I'd have to look it up
soft egret
@mortal dust yes they were aware, also one of the reasons that provoked the steps they've taken.
They didnt banned modders, they banned people with good reasons.
@tough vine
They banned me twice, and I never touched any of their mods. They banned tons of BI staff too, including Dwarden..
So... Not sure what you understand under "good reasons", but if you mean banning the people who will be able to punish you for ripping and stealing tons of stuff, then yes, they did that.
!issuewarning @tough vine defending clear IP rights violations, trolling
edgy coralBOT
Done.
faint nacelle
@quartz jacinth if you find that do link it here.
quartz jacinth
Yeah I will. Their script was dug up by somebody I know and at the time we looked up the workshop rule regarding this thing. It shouldn't be hard to find it in the chat we talked in.
scarlet patrol
not sure if this does it, don't know if playing a multiplayer session counts as software
Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and managing Steam services, software or other content.
had to translate it to english so it may not be 1:1
manic narwhal
I mean technically they disabled config viewer, that could count as restricting and inhibiting use of software, if software counts as the game the mods made for
quartz jacinth
I may be wrong but I think the config and function viewers are disabled by the Maverik obfuscator
scarlet patrol
the what?
quartz jacinth
You don't know it?
scarlet patrol
not too versed in that field
quartz jacinth
Okay hang on
This thing
Again, I may be wrong but i experienced the same "no config viewer" thing with other mods that were obfuscated with this service
scarlet patrol
ohh thats 🦆ing funny
life communities worried about stolen content
quartz jacinth
I know right?
@faint nacelle I may be wrong here as well (since with english not being my native language, legal texts are tricky for me) but I think this ban list falls under point 4 in the steam subscriber agreement
4. ONLINE CONDUCT, CHEATING AND ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR
Steam and the Content and Services may include functionality designed to identify software or hardware processes or functionality that may give a player an unfair competitive advantage when playing multiplayer versions of any Content and Services or modifications of Content and Services ("Cheats"). You agree that you will not create Cheats or assist third parties in any way to create or use Cheats.
This may be relevant too
6/B. Content Uploaded to the Steam Workshop
...Workshop Contributions are Subscriptions, and therefore you agree that any Subscriber receiving distribution of your Workshop Contribution will have the same rights to use your Workshop Contribution (and will be subject to the same restrictions) as are set out in this Agreement for any other Subscriptions...
echo orchid
the issues is not having a ban list
anticonsumer made me giggle a little
because i had (still have) a similar idea about such a ban list for RHS.
the issues is in regards to disabling game functionality/brand/logos
and the fact that the content is stolen from all over the place
so the purpose is to hide stuff, not to protect from other people stealing stolen content
quartz jacinth
Yeah you're right. And also the fact that it took them two years to get their code working is a bit funny
(A similar but not working code was found in the latest, 2 years old, version of their SW mod)
broken hornet
the list does indeed work, only in mp
ive never played the mod and still got put on the list
had to try tho 😛
green shale
So banning retextures w/o permission to be puvlished on the workshop can be done yeah?
soft egret
you can do with your content what you want
faint nacelle
You absolutely sure about that
also IP violation is already just to use the Starship troopers/ Mass Effect/ Starwars names.
check what?
if you mean that they renamed the Workshop entries, that doesnt mean they removed all the stolen models they have
or you have if you are one of their developers
ME mod still mentions Krogars, Geth etc that are all MassEffect IP
quartz jacinth
Also the logos probably still have the full names
faint nacelle
sure you dont, but also if you want to defend them and their actions make sure you got proper grounds to do so.
😉 you know
Probably not yeah.
True true.
But its a public forum.
🙂
sour blade
@faint nacelle I would bet my 2k paycheck that is the creator of MEOP
faint nacelle
Would not be supprised really.
brisk ember
Is he creating his own artificial echo chamber by just telling everyone who doesn't share his opinion that he is not concerned with that opinion? 🤔
I can't imagine he (or she) just stands in front of a mirror all day yelling "SWOP did nothing wrong!", but jesus this level of isolation to the opinion of others can't be healthy by any standard
I actually fancy some but go easy on your salt with it if you don't mind (:
Like, just watch this channel all day?
broken hornet
don’t feed the troll bro
brisk ember
Besides, I don't really have an opinion on swop as I've never used it.
broken hornet
yeah your not having a conversation
brisk ember
It's... not an opinion...
How is something people tell me an (or even my) opinion
I'm sure you understand what an opinion is?
dull moon
...... Ladies...?
this is not abuout #ip_rights_violations
good. let's keep it that way
carmine folio
@tough vine doesn't even try to hide the fact he's Scar (Opposition team lead) on an alt account. That's top class.
thorny gate
Hi, I'm the guy who reported the incident in the first place, and I can one hundred percent guarantee that that is the owner of the opposition mods. the way he speaks, types and mannerisms are all the same, not to mention the fact that he is defending a mod that has stolen content, which fits his modus operandi. Not the first time he has been in here to try and defend his stolen content either.
I can grab texts from his original account if needed.
fossil basalt
!purgeban @tough vine @mortal dust 0 for trolling, flaming/flamebaiting, promoting stolen content
edgy coralBOT
*fires them railguns at @tough vine and @mortal dust* Ò_Ó
fossil basalt
Reminder:
Don't feed the trolls!
Immediately report those dealing in and promoting IP rights violations.
Do not react to their provocations, but instead report them, to a Moderator.
Thank You
soft egret
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1563855125
JSRS, Enhanced Soundscape, Zade BOC, Zeus Enhanced,
green shale
I found that mod once and wondered what it did
soft egret
This reads like a joke.. under a star wars mod on workshop
DISCLAIMER
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This mod is an unofficial resource and is in no way linked to Lucasfilm ltd, the Walt Disney company, Electronic Arts inc. or Twentieth Century Fox. The "Star Wars" brand and all the intellectual content of this mod is based on the property of "The Walt Disney Company".
Star Wars © 1977 Twentieth Century Fox film corporation. All rights reserved. ™ & copyright 1977 Lucasfilm ltd. Star Wars logo and all related characters, names and indicts are trademarks & copyright 2012 Lucasfilm ltd. All rights reserved, or their respective trademark and copyright holders.
Yes.. Yes indeed the logos and trademarks you are using, are copyrighted with "All rights reserved"
Yet you still uploaded that to the workshop 🤔
brisk ember
is that 501st content? 🤔
cinder ridge
Concerning reuploads of my content to the workshop, do I file DMCA or just report the item in question? Looking at the DMCA page makes it seem kinda crazy to me tbh...
soft egret
Reports have quite some delay, and don't always ensure the file is taken down.
Report is just a note for a moderator
cinder ridge
Okay, thank you.
brisk ember
@sand sequoia how does SWLS compare to SWOP? Is it asset ripping as well or "legit" stuff?
(also what it does stand for?)
lone basin
Star Wars Opposition and Star Wars Legit Stolen 🙂
lone basin
From Disney (I was a joke btw, I have no idea about LS)
brisk ember
do you know the devs by any chance?
lone basin
Yeah but is still Disney's IP ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
brisk ember
I'm curious, who would that be?
yeah I don't know any of them
I'm not really into the SW/Disney IP violation thing
just curious to the source
ha, you don't happen to be a dev lead in disguise like the recent bloke here? 😛
the one from SWOP
@drifting locust hey mate, what's up? Got an invite from ye?
oh it's you? @quartz jacinth https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/475947559786119169/676958312214036521/Screenshot_3.jpg
soft egret
Thanks for confirmation
!purgeban @drifting locust @quartz jacinth 0 dual accounting, IP violations
edgy coralBOT
*fires them railguns at @drifting locust and @quartz jacinth* Ò_Ó
brisk ember
eh?
soft egret
I got told that clock is dual accounting a few days ago, just needed some proof
TBH didn't expect that just posting a snippet from their workshop item would do the job.. but okey
brisk ember
this is why I no like invites from people I don't know
mortal dust
Common sense is a must in the first place
faint nacelle
Unfortunately that DLC is not sold anymore
carmine folio
Maybe with arma 4 it will return
mortal dust
What am I missing on this subject?
carmine folio
ahh the irony
hushed fox
Hello everyone, I was wandering what kind of trademark there could be on the robot dog in black mirror: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM3GM299orc
If I created a 3d model out of it, what could I realistically do with it?
faint nacelle
if you do exact copy thats IP infringement, if you do something similar then thats just your robot dog
scarlet patrol
@hushed fox what about Mastiff