#ip_rights_violations | ARMA | Page 50

faint nacelle Dec 17, 2018, 2:27 PM

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The Doppelmayr is however a real life product and if those models have been made for them they might have some other limitations

carmine folio Dec 17, 2018, 3:46 PM

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I never post stuff I find becuase I find 32432432 possibly stolen things a day and I can't tell if it's even a breach 99% of the time. But why would anyone ever do this?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1521210155&searchtext=boat

soft egret Dec 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Because he wants to mess with @dull moon

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Not If it's a arma 2 port. But If it's a CUP rip, i will rain down hell on him

fervent needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Lets make an annual holiday where we all reupload cup mods to give chris something fun to do 😂

keen trout Dec 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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"Now I have a DMCA - HO HO HO"

fervent needle Dec 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Lol

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Like oprah, you get a dmca, you get a dmca, dmcas for everyonee

dull moon Dec 17, 2018, 4:02 PM

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And a ban here, the CUP discord, and maybe even a couple more

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🤷

hallow lark Dec 17, 2018, 4:02 PM

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His other workshop item is for Garry's Mod. Makes total sense.

keen trout Dec 17, 2018, 4:04 PM

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Old M'Chris gave a ban, E-I-E-I-O

soft egret Dec 17, 2018, 4:07 PM

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@dull moon he says he took the model from CUP. So one would assume that it's a CUP rip

fervent needle Dec 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Merry cupmas 👌

bold umbra Dec 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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😄

snow bloom Dec 17, 2018, 5:54 PM

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@sweet minnow @chilly silo Some of your stuff here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1593710584

chilly silo Dec 17, 2018, 6:22 PM

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Thanks @snow bloom

snow bloom Dec 17, 2018, 6:32 PM

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No sweat

fossil basalt Dec 17, 2018, 6:49 PM

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It’s still up 😦

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And that guy’s online.

chilly silo Dec 17, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Ive DMCA'd it it wont be up for too long

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MBG = @proud flicker ? - If so he's got your stuff too - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1593755534

proud flicker Dec 17, 2018, 7:00 PM

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Thanks for the ping. That is correct.

sweet minnow Dec 17, 2018, 7:07 PM

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Thanks @snow bloom

chilly silo Dec 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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@fossil basalt I didnt post on that one. I only posted on the vehicles

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thats the one i linked for Mondkalb

fossil basalt Dec 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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My bad, been looking at the wrong link

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They typically don’t rush on those matters. Give them time.

soft egret Dec 17, 2018, 7:49 PM

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BI

wild stone Dec 17, 2018, 9:17 PM

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@brisk ember moderators don't have access to the steam workshop uploads.

cold pasture Dec 18, 2018, 2:14 AM

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We can only regulate on this Discord. And even then, only whilst listening to Warren G. True story.

hushed fox Dec 18, 2018, 9:27 AM

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@faint nacelle indeed, however i have found a very similar model on sketchfab: https://sketchfab.com/models/3b24723e86d546ee97afff16c516ef9c

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this is the one i originally downloaded: https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/u2df71782-85e9-4cdb-a813-5f6ebd9af8b7/Doppelmayr-6-CLD-Detachable-chairlift-bottom-station

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i wrote to the first author (since they had an email), i mean i want to buy the legit one 😄

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maybe they are unrelated, even if they do look very similar

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just a fyi

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the second guy seems legit too: https://youtu.be/zbrI8wYd5zc and now i don’t know what to do, it’s not like that there are a gazillion models of chairlifts out there 😄

sweet minnow Dec 18, 2018, 7:32 PM

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@brisk ember thanks

soft egret Dec 18, 2018, 7:37 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1425914759 thissays 3CB too. But doesn't contain 3CB. But instead contains USAF @queen wing
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1425912648 USAF in here too and also no 3CB in there

sweet minnow Dec 18, 2018, 8:01 PM

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@soft egret thx

queen wing Dec 18, 2018, 8:28 PM

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Thanks

desert sparrow Dec 18, 2018, 10:43 PM

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Hey is it allowed to upload a Server modpack (with mods from other content creator) on the Steamworkshop? and if not what can you do against it

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yea but everytime i do a DMCA on a pack i get a email with "However, you do not provide an original link to the content being infringed upon. Please provide an original link to the content so that we can assist you with your complaint. " What do i need to send them. My Workshop link to the Mods or a normal download link? (Because the mods arent uploaded to the workshop)

dull moon Dec 18, 2018, 10:50 PM

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just any link to your original work

desert sparrow Dec 18, 2018, 10:50 PM

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It doensnt have to be source filed or anything right?

dull moon Dec 18, 2018, 10:51 PM

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@desert sparrow
what mod are we talking about. what is it you don't want to be uploaded?

desert sparrow Dec 18, 2018, 10:52 PM

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just some mods for a lifeserver cars. clothing like backpack hats. But they all named Rapumpel_(modname)

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i dont want to upload them because the lifeservers arent that nice and just take stuff.

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(to the workshop)

dull moon Dec 18, 2018, 10:53 PM

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got me links to your stuff?

desert sparrow Dec 18, 2018, 10:53 PM

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can i DM you?

dull moon Dec 18, 2018, 10:53 PM

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sure

lone basin Dec 18, 2018, 11:01 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1587961756
^ Took a DMCA 3 weeks ago and already reuploaded a new modpack with:
TFAR
VSM
TRYK
HAFM
Plus breaking TeamSpeak and Bohemia Monetization Rules.
They're not gonna last long...

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And for whatever reasons, they have another upload also with the mods above:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1593419899
That's total nonsense xD

stoic beacon Dec 19, 2018, 6:04 AM

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Both are still up for me, you sure your internet was working? 😁

fossil basalt Dec 19, 2018, 7:37 AM

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@desert sparrow I can see why Valve asked for proof on "your mod". It is very very rare for a modder to have just one item of high quality like that.

soft egret Dec 19, 2018, 2:04 PM

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@desert sparrow it's easiest for Steam if you have a upload of your own content. Then they can easily cross reference and verify

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@lone basin do you have link to their website. So that I can report for monetization violation?

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nvm. Got it

desert sparrow Dec 19, 2018, 2:05 PM

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Im going to upload them but im going to make it private if needed i can change it

soft egret Dec 19, 2018, 2:08 PM

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Okey reported them to BI. Now onto the DMCA....

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Somehow one of their reuploads already disappeared

soft egret Dec 19, 2018, 7:21 PM

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Repentz and Psisyn apparently got the money they wanted, Repentz and his guys left Arma-life and the old crew took the server over again and cleaned up the modpack.
Currently in progress of re-aquiring all their monetization approvals and getting everything back to how it was before.

stoic beacon Dec 19, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Is there an official statement about this?

soft egret Dec 19, 2018, 7:25 PM

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The previous arma-life admin who gave the server to PsiSyn just told me that his old crew is back and threw all the "scum" out
The guy who I gave permission to half a year back
It's a very recent thing it seems. Just yesterday Travis Butts was still in charge there. I'll definitely wait till I see the new/old modlist in the next couple days

stoic beacon Dec 19, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Can you dm me their current sync?

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Ah alright

soft egret Dec 19, 2018, 7:28 PM

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https://forums.arma-life.com/staff/ that page has already been updated
They didn't fix the modpack yet.

fossil basalt Dec 19, 2018, 8:25 PM

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No excuse for not pulling it down.

native mist Dec 19, 2018, 8:44 PM

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Just a shame the old crew also used mods which violated monetisation stuff, they never had approvals for most mods, who do you talk to @soft egret

echo orchid Dec 19, 2018, 9:09 PM

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@dull moon
https://www.spartangaming.co.uk/topic/871-required-mods-exile-altis/
https://www.spartangaming.co.uk/topic/871-required-mods-exile-altis/
https://www.spartangaming.co.uk/store/category/1-exile-store/

Spartan Gaming Community

Required Mods - Exile Altis

The following list includes the Required Mods and the Optional Mods on our Exile Servers Required Exile Mod CBA_A3 NIArms All in One Multi-play Uniforms Specialist Military Arms (SMA) [SG] Mod (Direct Download) Optional JSRS SoundMod JSRS NIA (Requires the main JSRS) JSRS SMA...

Spartan Gaming Community

dull moon Dec 19, 2018, 9:11 PM

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what am i looking at? @echo orchid

echo orchid Dec 19, 2018, 9:11 PM

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ahh damn, this one
https://www.spartangaming.co.uk/topic/3-required-mods-exile-chernarus-isles/

Spartan Gaming Community

Required Mods - Exile Chernarus Isles

The following list includes the Required Mods and the Optional Mods on our Exile Servers Required Exile Mod CBA_A3 CUP - Terrains Core CUP - Terrains Maps Chernarus Isles NIArms All in One Multi-play Uniforms DS Houses Specialist Military Arms (SMA) [SG] Mod (Direct Download)...

safe arrow Dec 19, 2018, 9:14 PM

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They do link to the correct steamfiles though. Is it because of their shop i.e monetization? https://www.spartangaming.co.uk/store/category/1-exile-store/

dull moon Dec 19, 2018, 9:14 PM

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jep, illegal monetization

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thx PuFu

echo orchid Dec 19, 2018, 9:18 PM

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@dull moon my pleasure, got a report, the one i went after reported 2 more, one was this one 😄

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group snitching i call it (but but, why can't we do it when X and Y can??? bu hu hu)

dull moon Dec 19, 2018, 9:20 PM

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the usual...

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:07 AM

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@native mist Chris Stark. But that was back in the beginning when I started giving out monetization approvals. My controls are more thorrough now.

native mist Dec 20, 2018, 8:21 AM

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🤔 yeah well he’s definitely not very trustworthy if he didn’t admit to all the mods that were breaking monetisation they had, or the pay to win elements of it

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 8:22 AM

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Well he'll have to fix it now, or stop monetizing

native mist Dec 20, 2018, 8:31 AM

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Can’t wait to see what he tries and pulls, he was a snake before and I doubt anything has changed 😂

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 2:53 PM

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are people (mod authors) asking server owners to provide written permission for all the mods they are running before said server is allowed to run cups?

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im not sure how i feel about other people policing my mods without even consulting me...

undone pier Dec 20, 2018, 2:56 PM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/220919-why-does-usp-get-to-use-ebos-but-nobody-else-does/

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Why does USP get to use .ebo's, but nobody else does?

faint nacelle Dec 20, 2018, 3:05 PM

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@stark mulch for monetization they need written permission from all mod authors. I would think its not about policing other peoples work but to ensure the server is actually legit.

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if theyre not monetized there are no issues

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its also not imaginary rule but what BI has dictated for monetization approval

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 3:07 PM

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nothing here says written https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/faq#!#c7

Bohemia Interactive

FAQ | Server Monetization | Bohemia Interactive

Bohemia Interactive monetization rules.

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@faint nacelle ive been doing this for awhile i know the crack 😉

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<--- veteran

faint nacelle Dec 20, 2018, 3:08 PM

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I know youve been around.

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proper permission is of course open for interpetation but how else can you prove you have permission if its not written down?

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 3:09 PM

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it isnt another mod authors place to police my content

bronze oasis Dec 20, 2018, 3:09 PM

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Was just about to write that.

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I'm not following, so someone is trying to control a mod you created?

faint nacelle Dec 20, 2018, 3:10 PM

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no

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 3:10 PM

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i understand other mod authors want to be asked for every use of there mod

faint nacelle Dec 20, 2018, 3:11 PM

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for monetization

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never heard about all use though

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 3:12 PM

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but, like i said in the first msg, i dont know how i feel about other people policing my mods

faint nacelle Dec 20, 2018, 3:12 PM

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do you have an example of this?

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I mean Ive heard people adding licensse clause that monetization permission gets revoked if server uses mods they have no permission for

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 3:13 PM

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im in this situation now, someone want written permission from me to use one of my mods

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so they can provide it CUPs

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why does my permission regarding my content matter to anyone but the 3rd party and me?

faint nacelle Dec 20, 2018, 3:14 PM

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you probably got to look at what CUP has in their lincense

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:14 PM

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so they can provide it CUPs doesn't make grammatical sense?

faint nacelle Dec 20, 2018, 3:14 PM

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are they asking for monetization permission?

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 3:14 PM

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to cups*

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:15 PM

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If they want to monetize. They need your permission for your mods

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what is "to cups"?

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What do you mean?

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@undone pier do you know what "USP" is? Some life group?

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 3:17 PM

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someone wants written permission from me to use one of my mods on a moniztized server but cups monization approval is dependent on my permission

manic lark Dec 20, 2018, 3:17 PM

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@soft egret no it’s a gear mod

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 3:17 PM

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i think thats right lol

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Ah I understand. Some people (me included) have a "if you use anyone elses mod without permission, My permission automatically get's revoked" clause. And thus want to make sure that that is not the case when they give out permission

manic lark Dec 20, 2018, 3:18 PM

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TLDR the vehicle mod guys who had a sketchy history with rippers/porters on the team and stolen models are upset that I pulled out all my assets from their mod since they went back to using rippers and porters to help import items into the game

fervent needle Dec 20, 2018, 3:18 PM

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But a blanket statement wont work?

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Thus, They need to verify that they have permission to use the mods that they are trying to use.
Exactly same as they need to BI. They need your permission anyway to tell BI that they have it

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@manic lark If it's on workshop just report it and/or send the link to dwarden with the notice that it is using ebo's and contains ripped content. It will be removed

manic lark Dec 20, 2018, 3:19 PM

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It’s my mod

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It’s not using ripped content

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Just EBOs lol

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Which were changed

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:19 PM

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EBO's are not allowed to be used on the workshop

manic lark Dec 20, 2018, 3:20 PM

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And it’s never been on workshop

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Then it probably doesn't matter much

manic lark Dec 20, 2018, 3:20 PM

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I thought they aren’t allowed to be used at all?

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:20 PM

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correct

manic lark Dec 20, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Okay cool

glad sparrow Dec 20, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Hate to be 'that guy', but does anyone know where I can find a list of rules or information on what I can, and can not do to protect my IP? As EBOs are not the correct way to do so?

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:21 PM

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You can use obfuscation

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And send DMCA's to people stealing your stuff

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 3:22 PM

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im not trying to be a twat but i have been on both sides of this coin. I feel you might be acting abit overzealous regarding enforcement of BIS rules. At the end of the day is it your responsibility to police A) BIS rules B) over peoples content?

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:22 PM

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No it's not. I just don't want to give people permission. Just to revoke it again half a second later

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waste of time

glad sparrow Dec 20, 2018, 3:23 PM

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Yeah, but the DMCA's are hardly effective on dropbox links shared over Discord for example. So I was inclined to look for other methods.

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:23 PM

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They need to have the permission anyway, whether someone asks about it or not.
Based on the fact that, that guy asked you just because he wanted to use CUP, probably means he wouldn't have asked you if CUP didn't require it. Essentially using your mod without permission, violating the CUP permission requirements and the BI monetization rules

fervent needle Dec 20, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Dont make mods then

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Or dont hand out keys

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Or make amazing mods and don't let the community use them if that's the way you think mod authors should think Andrew

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If you want mods to exist, there needs to be something in place that'll protect their IP

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Or just make everything open source. Then everyone will be able to look up who wrote some awesome code. Also helps others learn from your content and is also good for your resume

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 3:25 PM

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That works too

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Though I think this is more related to models?

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:26 PM

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@brisk ember Same with a youtube video. There is nothing in place to prevent people from downloading youtube videos and reuploading them on dropbox.
Do content creators stop making videos?

fervent needle Dec 20, 2018, 3:26 PM

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It doesn’t sound like he is trying to protect the next cup 😛

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More of like a server mod or something like that, because sharing via dropbox link or passing around like that isn’t too common for an open mod

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Correct @soft egret but Andrews reasoning "then don't make mods" doesn't help with protecting against it

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YT could at least make it "impossible" to download it

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Well arma making it impossible to download pbo's doesn't seem reasonable 😄

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Sure you can just hide it from everyone

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 3:28 PM

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No but that's because it's an entirely different platform :P

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:28 PM

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I'd say just let your stuff be open, put watermarks and your name all over it and be done with it

fervent needle Dec 20, 2018, 3:28 PM

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But maybe stop reupload to sws

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*can of worms opened

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Lol

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Hm true

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Nah. We know what BI can do about it. They just don't want to invest the time

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talked about that more than enough already

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Not very mod-friendly

fervent needle Dec 20, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Yea

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Re: permissions- does a blanket statement not cover your mod?

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Like “I allow monetization to be used with this mod enabled on the server”

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Or do people still have to reach out

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:35 PM

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A public blanket statement that it's allowed to monetize is fine

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Or if the mod is licensed under a license that explicitly allows monetization

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 3:37 PM

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the problem here is when the author has abandoned the arma scene, personally if you (enforcer) knows the mod author is against/requires permission then ask for the written statement but if someone is "gone" and not taken shit down, do you think they care (probably not)

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for me, that falls in the common sense realms (which isnt covered "legally" of course)

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:38 PM

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if someone is "gone" and not taken shit down, do you think they care (probably not) doesn't matter. If he's gone and you cannot get permission. Then you simply cannot monetize the mod. period.

runic wraith Dec 20, 2018, 3:38 PM

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So if EBO's aren't allowed on SW, why are there still mods up there which use it?

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 3:38 PM

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as long as reasonable attempts at contact are made too

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 3:39 PM

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@runic wraith because there is essentially just one guy that takes care of it

runic wraith Dec 20, 2018, 3:40 PM

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But these are mods that have been up there for quite some time now, with nothing done to remove them as far as I've seen. I understand it takes time, but these have been known for awhile

faint nacelle Dec 20, 2018, 3:41 PM

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have you reported them?

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flagging in SW and adding comment contains EBO could be one step

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and then emailing to BI

runic wraith Dec 20, 2018, 3:43 PM

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Guess that's a start, be kinda strange if I'm the first one to report these for doing so. See what happens from there

faint nacelle Dec 20, 2018, 3:44 PM

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it only takes one responsible user. Some of that content may not be intersting enough to subscribe for others who would report them

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or look if they are ebod.

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or know thats forbidden

fervent needle Dec 20, 2018, 3:45 PM

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Your average user doesnt look to see if they are pbo vs ebo

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Not entirely that strange

faint nacelle Dec 20, 2018, 3:46 PM

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also some people might ebo have ebod their stuff after a while

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like modpacks who add stuff they should not

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 3:48 PM

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Number of attempts for contact shouldn't matter. No permission means no permission

runic wraith Dec 20, 2018, 3:51 PM

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No I understand that and I have been reading through the EULA for Arma 3 and can't seem to find anywhere it states that external encryption software isn't allowed to be used. But I'll do more research into our possibilities for encryption, as this seems to be a pretty grey area

undone pier Dec 20, 2018, 3:54 PM

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@stark mulch did you talk to @dull moon yet? like is this said request from "CUPs" even true?

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 3:56 PM

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i see no reason for lying about why they needed written permission

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and the community is mentioned a few scrolls up so 😛

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 3:57 PM

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the request is very true

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as i am the one he told it to

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apparantly even if the mod creator writes on their mod its allowed to be used on monetized servers you still need to get induvidual permisson for it for your server\community

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 4:00 PM

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@runic wraith pretty sure that ebo encryption key has to be reverse engineered from the binary (which breaks eula)

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 4:02 PM

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some mod creators have written that you can use their mod for whatever you want and however you want and don't even respond to questions about it since they have said it can be used for everyone

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 4:03 PM

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if a public statement along the lines of "montization is fine" is made, id say that is "proper permission"

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 4:04 PM

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yupp i would think so to, but i was told otherwise

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:04 PM

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apparantly even if the mod creator writes on their mod its allowed to be used on monetized servers you still need to get induvidual permisson for it for your server\community You don't. But if the mod owner wants you to do that before he gives you permission.. Then you do.
He can do whatever he wants

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 4:05 PM

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the thing is here, some of the mods i have says it can be used on monotized server and used by everyone as long as its no commercial gains, but then another mod creator says no i need to see written permission for it

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for me to be able to get permission for his mod

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:07 PM

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as long as its no commercial gains monetization == commercial gains

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 4:08 PM

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from what i have read commercial gains in the mod is selling the item ingame for actual money

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and that is against monetization rules by BI

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 4:09 PM

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tbh if someone put no commercial gains and allowed to be used on monetized they have miss understood something

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:10 PM

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from what i have read commercial gains in the mod is selling the item ingame for actual money no
and that is against monetization rules by BI no

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 4:11 PM

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most mod creators i have spoken to and asked permission for mod has said its fine to use it as long as that items is not sold for REAL money ingame and available to everyone

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only thing you can do that with is uniform skins and paintings

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i am all new to this maze and just trying to figure out everything

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Yes. You can sell cosmetics

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A uniform from a mod is a cosmetic too though

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 4:16 PM

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well, both yes and no

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uniforms have different armor values, if you start to edit those and give more armor and only let a select people who pay for it have access to it, then its breaking the rules on monetizing

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 5:11 PM

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@soft egret are you someone who "represents" CUPs?

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:11 PM

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no

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 5:11 PM

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chris?

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 5:11 PM

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Just call it CUP. CUPS just confuses everyone

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yes

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:15 PM

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I don’t see why some of you are trying to make this so complicated.

From the rules:
You must get permission to alter someone else's work, to mirror their work or to use it in any way other than for personal use. Without permission please do not edit, mirror, add to your mod pack or edit and share around your private squad.
Get permission by communicating with the original content creator(s).

Personal use: for you, yourself, privately and without creating screenshots/ videos / etc.

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:29 PM

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huh? what are you referring to? i was talking about running x mod on server y

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and if its appropriate for another mod author to police my monetization policy

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 6:31 PM

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Compare it to a stolen car.
Other people can report the car to the police if they know that the plate number belongs to a stolen car. They don't have to wait till you see it

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:32 PM

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im not required to report it

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 6:33 PM

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Using mods without permission is not allowed. Let's call it illegal.
If I allow someone to use my mod, while he is using mods without permission. I would also be involved in illegal activity

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:33 PM

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thats rubbish lol

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:35 PM

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It’s referred to as Accessory after the fact

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Autocorrect, sorry.

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:38 PM

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by that logic, no mod author can give a blank "allowance" to use a mod on a monetized server?

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Sure he can, as I already said

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:39 PM

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At the end of the day, it is the mod author who decides whether you can use their mod or not.

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 6:39 PM

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but not for the mod his mod depends on

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:39 PM

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If you choose not to give him proof that you’re using legit mods, he doesn’t have to give you permission.

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:43 PM

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yup this is were it got to last time.
Basically I dont want anyone "policing" my content, if people think I may not like a certain usage of my content then feel free to contact me. Im not going to provide written permission for every server CUP deems to be in breach of BIS rules.

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 6:43 PM

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If you are fine with your mod being monetized

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:43 PM

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i dont care, thats the point

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 6:43 PM

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then just write that down on the steam workshop download or whereever

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 6:44 PM

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CUP as in Community Upgrade Project?

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 6:44 PM

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because if it's not written down that you allow it. That means noone is allowed to unless they ask you for permission and get written permission by you

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Have a look at the licenses and apply one. If not, the most restrictive applies.

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:46 PM

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look, how hard is this, my monetisation policy is my business and its not for anyone else (except BIS) to be enforcing it

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i have told BIS my position with my content

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Nobody else can enforce, people can only report (which is not enforcing)

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:46 PM

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that should be all that matters, no?

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:47 PM

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That’s not really how licenses work though.

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 6:48 PM

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BI doesn't have time to check. And mod authors know that. That's why they help BI in that regard

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More than half of all the monetized servers were using mods without permission in the past. Because they told BI "yeah sure" when they asked whether they have permission for everything

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:48 PM

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thats fine and a mod author is welcome to send a report for his content

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im asking people to ignore my content, no policing, no reporting, ill deal with it myself thankyou 😃

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 6:49 PM

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That's why we (AmA folks, which you are part of btw) chose to fix that by making sure that they have permission before we give them ours.
They need to have written permission anyway. If they don't that already tells us they don't have proper permission.

I'm not willing to give a lying thief permission to use my stuff and I'm not the only one with that stance. Sorry if that bothers you.
But honestly, if you are fine with people using your content. Just write it down then.

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:52 PM

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it really doesnt

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it bothers me when ppl start pming me for written permission

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for something a give 0 f's about

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Let me say this ( regarding not using licenses). When we find a user using content without explicit written permission (on the forums, Discord, Workshop, etc) they are often banned. By not using a license and providing them with evidence that it is permitted, you are setting them up for failure.

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 6:53 PM

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They won't if everyone knows that you are fine with it. Like CBA and ACE and a couple other mods which have a very clear "Monetization allowed" license are doing.

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:53 PM

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So, put a license on it that says so

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Put it in your forum signature at the very least

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:53 PM

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look users are idoits lol, they spend 2 mins searching then just pm the author

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

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So that when they google your name, they can easily reference the permission.

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

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and im honestly i feel like people shouldnt be enforcing my rights

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

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They have to do that either way. Whether we ask them too or not. They already need permission to request monetization approval from bohemia.
Us asking to also see the permission doesn't change anything on that

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

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its intrusive imo

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if u personally know mod author x doesnt allow monitization then fair enough

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:55 PM

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We’re not enforcing YOUR rights, we are enforcing Bohemia’s rules.

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 6:55 PM

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That's what I do. I ask for permission for mods where I know that the author is either just not available anymore, or where I know he generally doesn't allow it

narrow topaz Dec 20, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Bohemia says they must ask you. If you're upset about being asked, take it up with Bohemia, not the people here

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Or pull your mod

narrow topaz Dec 20, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Like FM said, adding a license explicitely giving permission is a step you can take

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:56 PM

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You can even add “Do not PM me”

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 6:57 PM

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or disable PMs from server members altogether (Privacy Setting)

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

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One important thing that hasn’t been addressed is to ensure that the person who asked for CUP permission, doesn’t think that means the rest of the content as well (because someone will try that, guaranteed!)

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 6:59 PM

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Happened often enough already. Had tons of people who used Australia and said "The Australia guy gave me permission to use the stuff made by other mod makers that explicitly forbid monetization of their content. So that means it's all fine"

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 7:00 PM

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the FAQ on cup site does imply you have the right use (APLSA content) on a approved monetized server (following rules) does it not?

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:00 PM

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APL-SA == non-commercial

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Needs explicit written permission to override the license

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And that only applies to CUP Terrains

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Only CUP Core and Terrains

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:01 PM

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All other CUP stuff is explicitly not allowed

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 7:01 PM

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ye APL-SA content

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Monetisation is commercial

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:01 PM

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https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/arma-public-license-share-alike
Noncommercial - You may not use this material for any commercial purposes.

Only written permission can override/overrule/make an exemption to a license

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

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so how does any of BIS's policies work if montization = commerical?

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

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for example here https://gyazo.com/f05573bbf20a01016b916460d71e5c43

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this means you should be able to use it on monetized server yes?

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

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so how does any of BIS's policies work if montization = commerical?
By people asking the mod authors if they are allowed to monetize the mod and forwarding that to bohemia.

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 7:02 PM

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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/h8nlcydgcryiiio/984d1be5-1365-4cd4-b1ff-8905236577fd.png

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that too me says, if BIS approve your server, your free to use CUP core/terrain until they revoke the implied permission

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:04 PM

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does that part of packages include its updates? I'm no expert so this is more of a question; The packages Units/Vehicles/Weapons etc etc were initially released way before 01.01.2017. Does that mean you can never use those packages or are you allowed to use updates released after 01.01.2017?

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:05 PM

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@broken acorn "and you can charge for perks" only if the server has monetization approval.

@stark mulch https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/faq

On my server I am using mods created by other people. May I get approval to monetize?
You may, but ONLY if you have proper permission from all of the authors of such mods. Monetizing without it contravenes our licenses.

That are the monetization rules from Bohemia

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:05 PM

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well he says there in the screenshot

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that you can

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:05 PM

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@brisk ember nothing prior to 1.1.2017 can be monetized, even if APL-SA.
And after that only the APL-SA content (licenses for other things got changed)

Meaning you cannot grab a old version of CUP Units and just monetize it.

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:06 PM

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so that includes any updates (released after jan 2017) on those packages (initially released before jan 2017)?

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:06 PM

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WHY am i then getting asked to provide proof, when it clearly says they allow it under bohemias rules

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 7:06 PM

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last sentance

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The CUP Team and all contributors reserve the right to change or withdraw this permission anytime.

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and as a mod author, you can just say no to 1 server

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even if its personal

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so if CUP attach conditions to getting there approval, then that's there right

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:09 PM

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@broken acorn Because people maybe didn't read that command that's burried somewhere in the steam comments of some steam item.
Also the "Author" tag doesn't mean anything. Looks like it's staged. There are only two authors on all the NiArms uploads, and "Murphy" is neither of them.
That screenshot honestly looks like someone staged that. Just uploaded a workshop item to be able to reply with "Author" tag

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:09 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/linkfilter/?url=https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/190455-niarms-release-thread/

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go to page 5

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read

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:10 PM

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??? https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/190455-niarms-release-thread/?page=5

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Read what? I don't see anything relevant on page 5

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:11 PM

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ain't nothing there

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:11 PM

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oh missclicked

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gimme 2secs

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:11 PM

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Any persons or entities directly or indirectly involved with active development of Arma 3 Life OR Arma 3 Life derivatives ( additionally, by alias; Caiden). Stipulations - Do Not Redistribute, No alteration or de-binarizing of content, no use at all within publicly distributed data-archives(including executable installation) for entities that receive more than US$10 in lifetime donations. This exception applies retroactively. Failure to adhere to this will result in legal action.

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Did no one read Toadies license?

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:12 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1208517358

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there go to page 5

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

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murphy is a contributor

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

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^ He doesn't dictate the license

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:13 PM

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He is contributor. On a all-in-one pack. That's basically just a repack of other mods where he is not listed as contributor

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And yeah. The license is quite clear https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/190455-niarms-release-thread/

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

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if you want anything official, read the official release thread actually made by Toadie: https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/190455-niarms-release-thread/

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dammit dedmen

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

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no no if license isnt included in release files, its irrelevent

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:14 PM

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Also Any persons who have directly contacted myself (toadie2k) to seek out explicit usage permissions retain use under agreed terms.
There. Only toadie can give out permission. Written by toadie itself

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no no if license isnt included in release files, its irrelevent No that's not how that works

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You mean. I can just rip your stuff. Take out your license text file and that means your stuff now belongs to me and I can do whatever I want with it, as there is no license included anymore?

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Wat

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

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erm i t hink it is lol

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

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That's 100% not how it works

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

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u cant just stick a license somewhere and say it applies to something else lol

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

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All content released in Arma3 game-readable and Real-virtuality3 encoded content fall subject to the Arma Public Share-Alike (APL-SA) License, unless otherwise specified.
"All content released"

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 7:15 PM

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if no license is included in files its all rights reserverd

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Yes, an author can. It'll sometimes even be specified in the readme of a mod "copy of license provided. If missing, look at APL-SA"

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Well if no license directly visible, take it as "You can't do shit with it except playing" 😛

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 7:18 PM

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but if the author (listed on the steam release) says its ok then whats the problem?

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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So that Murphy guy was still not right 😉

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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he is listed as a creator

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Murphy is not an author

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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He is a contributor. Toadie is the creator

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:19 PM

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Everything is made by Toadie

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He be holding the license 😛

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:20 PM

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The creator of the mod himself wrote in his license that only he can give permission.
So sorry... But some third party guy can't just give permission for other peoples stuff.
Especially not if he tries to allow people to do something that the real creator has explicitly forbidden

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:20 PM

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And it is explicitly posted on the forum

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:22 PM

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well no wonder arma is losing its playerbase, most people cant afford to run servers because people dont donate

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:23 PM

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"most people" ehhh... doubt

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Wanna see why I doubt that?

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:23 PM

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look at MGT Exile, they have to beg every month for donations

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:23 PM

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You mean those 125 player LIFE servers?

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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fuck life

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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so.... you have one example?

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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i am talking about the other mods\game modes

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Over the thousands of servers?

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Infinity Exile

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all other exile servers that has shut down before that

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was due to no funding

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Exo

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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so limited to Exile then?

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:24 PM

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KOTH

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look how many active KOTH RHS servers there are or KOTH servers in general

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:25 PM

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https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3 102 monetized servers.
https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/arma3 5032 Arma servers with 10k players.

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"most people" yeah.. not really

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:25 PM

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KOTH vanilla is allowed to monetise

brisk ember Dec 20, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Eh... pretty sure not everyone is even allowed to host a KOTH server

faint nacelle Dec 20, 2018, 7:25 PM

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donations are not monetization. so its up to people.

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:25 PM

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pretty sure not everyone is even allowed to host a KOTH server Yes that's the reason why there aren't many KOTH servers.

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:26 PM

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there used to be alot more KOTH servers

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Donations to cover cost are not monetisation

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Well it's not monetizations fault

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Many of the KOTH servers a couple months back weren't actually allowed to host KOTH game mode. Like all the boosted level servers.
KOTH staff put and end to all that.

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:27 PM

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So far we have been accepting donations on our server, do we have to apply for approval?

No, donations are still allowed. But remember – a donation is a gift without any counter value. If your donators receive perks or rewards for donating then we no longer consider it a donation and you have to apply for the approval.

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Also there is absolutely no problem hosting a legit monetized server. Get permissions properly like many others are doing. And you are fine.

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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show me these many others, i doubt there is many that actually have permissions for everything

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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People who don't want to get permission, and don't want to pay for their servers. Are just in for the money and don't want to invest much time into their project

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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So far, many of the questions that have been asked are clearly answered on the Forum and in the FAQs

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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@broken acorn https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3 there.

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Dedmen before you have been on our server i dont think you should comment about it

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our income goes directly into the server and the players

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:28 PM

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People who don't have proper permission get reported and loose their approval within a couple weeks from them starting up. Most of the servers on that list are legit

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:29 PM

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we have had it for over a year

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we have been reported twice before

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we have the exact same mods as before

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:29 PM

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One would assume you would learn from that

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:29 PM

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wich was approved

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we was not allowed to have cup weapons\vehicles and SFP i think it was

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it was removed and permissions given back

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:30 PM

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uhhh

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:30 PM

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now suddenly everyone is making a big fuzz about it

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:30 PM

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so.. You had permission for your stuff. But you actually didn't. ?

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Remind me to have the monetised servers re-checked

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:30 PM

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And now you complain about being reported for breaking the rules. And now having to actually play by the rules?

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:31 PM

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no i complain that i have to show proof for every single thing

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Because you’ve already been caught stealing twice perhaps?

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:31 PM

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when some of the mods state that they dont really care how its used and the creators are not active anymore

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we have not stolen anything

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:31 PM

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That's what happens when you show multiple times that you cannot be trusted.. People stop trusting you.

astral marlin Dec 20, 2018, 7:32 PM

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welcome to the world of not making your own content

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:32 PM

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we have plenty of content made by us

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:32 PM

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@broken acorn it is quite clear, no license == most restrictive default license

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Go to the same shop with a fake $50 bill 3 times.
On the 4th time they'll either throw you out directly, or check that your bill is real before they accept it.

narrow topaz Dec 20, 2018, 7:33 PM

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If you did your due diligence and obtained permission for everything, it should be really easy to zip whatever folder you saved that in and send it to whoever is asking

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:33 PM

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So “no longer around” or “not active” don’t factor into it.

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:34 PM

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All I see is you complaining about actually having to follow the rules that you swore to bohemia a long while ago that you will follow them..
I don't really understand what your problem is

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:34 PM

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my problem is the same as Maca

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you are policing stuff that is not yours

astral marlin Dec 20, 2018, 7:35 PM

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he is policing the community he is apart of something bis and valve should be doing

broken acorn Dec 20, 2018, 7:35 PM

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anyways need to go now i will be back later

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:35 PM

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I'm not policing other peoples stuff. I'm policing bohemias rules.
As I said multiple times already today. People already have the written permission anyway if they follow bohemias rules.
And if they didn't, then they have no god damn right to monetize or even ask me about permission if their other stuff isn't even allowed to be used.

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 7:36 PM

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@broken acorn I’ll make it quite clear to you. You have been caught stealing. In direct violation of the agreement you made with Bohemia when you joined up. We have rules that you MUST adhere to. Failure to do so may result in a permanent ban for you and your group.

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:50 PM

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Oh look who's back again after my DMCA from two days ago https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1595988119

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That will be his 4th DMCA tomorrow. Maybe we can observe if valve will act on that this time. He seems really stubborn

upbeat flame Dec 20, 2018, 7:55 PM

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What do DMCAs do exactly besides take down your mod

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:55 PM

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exactly that

upbeat flame Dec 20, 2018, 7:55 PM

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Apperently nothing much if they reupload it

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:55 PM

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Force people to take down my stuff

upbeat flame Dec 20, 2018, 7:55 PM

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Oh

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:55 PM

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Correct. They can just reupload it again. After it's been taken down

upbeat flame Dec 20, 2018, 7:56 PM

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They should get a workshopban like you can have a valve trade ban

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Thats pretty stupid if you can keep doing it with no problems

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 7:56 PM

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Exactly that's what I meant. Maybe we can see valve actually doing the ban this time.

upbeat flame Dec 20, 2018, 7:56 PM

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👌

astral marlin Dec 20, 2018, 8:13 PM

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DMCA's are in this content quite pointless unfortunately unless your super rich as counter clams are a bottomless pit for the creator and you get nothing from the infringer even if you win did it 3 times now and cost me a total of £1200 in costs and got £0.00 back and the guy just reuploaded.

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gotta love russians

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 8:13 PM

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Shouldn't they have to pay when they loose?

astral marlin Dec 20, 2018, 8:13 PM

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nope

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they are ordered to take it down but they just make a new steam account and reupload

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or get friends todo so

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never had a penny back

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worst part is the infringer has never turned up to the court hearing and still no money back

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international law i guess it might be different if its same country

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valve dose take it down instantly though but it can just be reuploaded again on a new acount and the proccess starts again

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 8:17 PM

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Shouldn't it be enough for valve to just reference to the past successful DMCA that prooved that they did illegal counter claims multiple times?

astral marlin Dec 20, 2018, 8:18 PM

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nope

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its case by case DMCA by DMCA even if the same guy uploads twice the same content you need two court dates or to have both in the same one

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sorry bit drunkish crimbo week

soft egret Dec 20, 2018, 8:19 PM

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Text on a kickass reupload:

This mod is Copyright claimed by Copyright Laws
For editing Puposes ask the author for premission or face charges

Who can beat that?

astral marlin Dec 20, 2018, 8:20 PM

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lol

bronze oasis Dec 20, 2018, 8:20 PM

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Some real powerful law lingo in use there.

astral marlin Dec 20, 2018, 8:21 PM

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still waiting for the CopyLeft to be used by someone

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right gonna turn off discord lol

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keep it real peeps

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 8:32 PM

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Lol

dull moon Dec 20, 2018, 9:26 PM

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ok, had a rough day, TL;DR, just went quickly over the matter:

i am (as CUP) are not enforcing other mod makers policies, not licenses.
i actually couldn't care less if i'm honest. it's every mod makers own decision how to enforce or ignore his/hers rights.
what i did/do is, i play by the rules BI has put on everybody of us if it comes to monetization.

Q: On my server I am using mods created by other people. May I get approval to monetize?
A: You may, but ONLY if you have proper permission from all of the authors of such mods. Monetizing without it contravenes our licenses.```
this means, either written permission by the author after a request, OR a clear statement included in an attached license, like "I, the author of this mod, hand out permission for monetization without the need of individual personal requests..."
next up:
we all know that BI hands out monetization approvals WITHOUT checking if the requester actually has permission to monetize the mods he wants to use. BI does not demand proof or anything, they just trust in the good of the people. well, i don't... what a surprise...
we at CUP follow a strict NO MONETIZATION line for all mods beside CUP Terrains Core and CUP Maps. this was the result of long and hard internal discussions. we then finally agreed that CUP Terrains Core and CUP maps "may be used on monetized server", but only because we actually did not edit much within these mods that would justify moving away from APL-SA to CUP-L.'
but still, our stance about monetization in general stands. it's f**king BS that kills the community.
and if smb still wants to monetize CUP Terrains Core and CUP Terrains Maps, i want them to proof me that they actually play by the rules BI set on us by sending me a screenshot of the permission(s). if they can not proof that they have permissions for ALL mods they use, as BI requires them to have, i do NOT hand out permission for the monetization of CUP Terrains Core and CUP Terrains Maps.

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 9:39 PM

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i suggest you change the cup faq, as at the moment it states monetization of CUP content that is licensed under APL-SA is ok unless otherwise revoked by an author/contributor

carmine atlas Dec 20, 2018, 9:59 PM

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@dull moon Why do server owners need to show you all the written permissions if they have been using your guys chernarus map? like why now why not a year ago?

dull moon Dec 20, 2018, 10:00 PM

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@stark mulch
although the rules by BI are clear, you are right. the FAQ could be misread

carmine atlas Dec 20, 2018, 10:01 PM

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because right now its a huge pain in the ass to go over all the emails,discord pms and steam msg from over a year ago.

fossil basalt Dec 20, 2018, 10:01 PM

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It should all be in a nice folder for proof

dull moon Dec 20, 2018, 10:02 PM

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@carmine atlas
this was always the case, but only two ( 2 !! ) guys actually asked for permission to use. everybody else who does not have asked permission and got the BI approval is and will be reported

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 10:02 PM

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id say an official faq from the mod authors is "proper permission"

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its not really me misreading it, its pretty clear

dull moon Dec 20, 2018, 10:03 PM

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"may be used" =/= "allowed to be used"

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that is what i ment by easy to misread

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will be changed soon

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to be more clear

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 10:05 PM

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may use is the same as allowed to use, come on lol

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considering the second part

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The CUP Team and all contributors reserve the right to change or withdraw this permission anytime.

dull moon Dec 20, 2018, 10:06 PM

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i didn't write it since i'm no native speaker. i translate it to something like "could be used" as in "optional"

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sorry

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 10:06 PM

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that says i have the implied right, that is why no one has asked you

dull moon Dec 20, 2018, 10:07 PM

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might be the case, yes. the FAQ will be changed to a more clear statement

stark mulch Dec 20, 2018, 10:07 PM

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as how can something be withdrawn without it being given first?

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cool, just pointing out the FAQ conflicts with the statement you made before

dull moon Dec 20, 2018, 10:08 PM

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and i thank you for the headsup. like i said, i'm no native speaker and interpreted the statement like i've shown

carmine atlas Dec 20, 2018, 10:09 PM

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meh idk im not rlly gonna comment more on this silly case. Its christmas and im at a families house. Happy hollidays everyone 😀 💕 💕 btw chris ur english is fine im not a native speaker either but i still understand whar ur saying.

dull moon Dec 20, 2018, 10:09 PM

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but as you can see, details (i miss often) matter 😉

brisk ember Dec 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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some more "author didn't answer so I can upload it" https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1593431569&searchtext=

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jarrad, VSM: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1594198174&searchtext=

south pelican Dec 21, 2018, 1:12 AM

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Pretty sure Outlaw is around somewhere

echo orchid Dec 21, 2018, 12:00 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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it's just me?

soft egret Dec 21, 2018, 12:06 PM

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yes. Atleast the start page works

echo orchid Dec 21, 2018, 12:06 PM

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try going for a search

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start page works for me as well, when i search for a collection is fubars

soft egret Dec 21, 2018, 12:07 PM

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filelist works. Run Scan... Works too. Until you get to the results. Then it brek
CU0IPRSQV1YV7TCX04ZRMGEEXGQEV3 @river spear oioioioio

burnt oak Dec 21, 2018, 12:07 PM

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Had the same happen to me a week ago. @river spear disk space full again?

chilly silo Dec 21, 2018, 2:38 PM

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I've had the same

river spear Dec 21, 2018, 2:45 PM

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ill look at it when I'm home, currently in uni 👌

soft egret Dec 21, 2018, 2:56 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1594294213&searchtext=
@dull moon CUP_AirVehicles

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1594302331&searchtext=
@sonic blade sfp_bas90
Jbad, Brg_africa, Mbg buildings,

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1594308882
@soft egret TFAR 1.0.. Oh wait.. That's me.

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1594177351&searchtext=
This mod is basically for use in the 11th Marine Division, it contains 3 vehicles from CUP 🤦
Atleast he's honest 🤷

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I'm going through the latest steam workshop uploads. And somehow every single item that contains "life" in the name is vioating...
What a coincidence, people keep telling me that most life people aren't bad guys... I guess this is pure bad luck then...

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1590437062&searchtext= @stoic beacon tfar anims.
Kinda weird. tfar anims, but no TFAR 🤔
Also they mention the mods that they have in their pack, except for your anims.

Oh look, he also has two life packs.. What are the chances that they are clea... yeah. Oh god.. No.. No no no no... So not clean.

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1590232800&searchtext=
personal modpack for mission making uhhuh.. Uploader: @civic hill (just banned him from TFAR discord)
RHS GREF, CUP Weapons, CUP Units, CUP Vehicles
@echo orchid @dull moon @fossil basalt

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1589629082&searchtext=
KKA3_ACE_Extension_Anim
kka3_ACE_Extension_Placeables

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@civic hill nope that's not how that works

stoic beacon Dec 21, 2018, 3:27 PM

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@soft egret thanks👌
@civic hill just by saying it's personal use doesn't make it personal use.
You uploaded it to the public...

fossil basalt Dec 21, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Banned

soft egret Dec 21, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Shines a bad light on whatever conference that is if such a guy can be in a panel about copyright shakes head kids these days

fossil basalt Dec 21, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Banned from Forum as well.

soft egret Dec 21, 2018, 3:38 PM

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@dull moon https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3
CodeRed Networks
https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/arma3/2761862
CUP Weapons, Vehicles, Units, Terrains Monetized.
@stoic beacon your radio animations too.
Enhanced Movement too. TFAR too.
I'll report them for my stuff. Feel free to report them too.

stoic beacon Dec 21, 2018, 4:08 PM

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👀

river spear Dec 21, 2018, 6:12 PM

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@echo orchid @burnt oak @soft egret should be fixed now

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my silly minecraft server backups went ham and trashed one drive full of world backups lol

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thats what you get for hosting a server for a friend

stoic beacon Dec 21, 2018, 6:22 PM

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@soft egret do you have an answer already?
I guess I have to wait until after Xmas holidays for an answer from bi

soft egret Dec 21, 2018, 6:23 PM

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No. He probably already went into his weekend

snow bloom Dec 22, 2018, 2:06 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1378319211

jovial mica Dec 23, 2018, 12:05 AM

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If you want mods to exist, there needs to be something in place that'll protect their IP I dont believe this is why you should be making mods, you make mods to have fun and put what you want in the game and to share with others. If you are worried about your IP being violated then the internet is the last place you should be. IP rights are violated everywhere, not just in arma. Now if you are making your own fully fledged game with a lawyer team to back you up then sure, but I believe alot of this is a waste of time. 🤷

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Its not a reasonable expectation for everyone on the internet to do exactly as you say in your license. Its just not gonna happen.

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Especially for a mod

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Hell if you look at other modding communities for gmod and stuff its a hellscape compared to this

stoic beacon Dec 23, 2018, 12:19 AM

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IP rights are violated everywhere
Just because everyone does it, doesn't make it legal nor morally "okay"

soft egret Dec 23, 2018, 12:26 AM

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He didn't mean it's okey. He just means it's simply not possible to fully protect yourself

jovial mica Dec 23, 2018, 1:14 AM

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Right

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I just think its a wasted breath

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You could sit back and enjoy what you've created rather than worrying about policing it

indigo axle Dec 23, 2018, 2:28 AM

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I see your point. However, how can I enjoy my product if I know people around the community are ruining/defacing it?

wild pollen Dec 23, 2018, 8:16 AM

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by not caring

stoic beacon Dec 23, 2018, 9:07 AM

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You have a point, but for me it's absolutely invalid.
That's something everyone has to decide for his own.
But you can not expect this kind of mindset from everyone.
The license is there to protect myself, I have the right to do so.
I think this discussion is useless tbh.
By simply not caring I could do alot of stuff different, but different is not exactly better.

fossil basalt Dec 23, 2018, 9:52 AM

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I think this discussion is useless You are correct.

glad sparrow Dec 23, 2018, 1:16 PM

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I’d have to disagree, I think whenever someone has concerns about protecting their IP and preventing their work from being stolen, it should be taken seriously. Not waved off by not caring, calling it a useless discussion, or just not doing anything. I believe you can still make mods, without having to not care for your work afterwards. Especially when some modders offer their models for sale on other websites.

fossil basalt Dec 23, 2018, 1:22 PM

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You've misread what I'm responding to.

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I am agreeing to Just because everyone does it, doesn't make it legal nor morally "okay"

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and his follow-on posts. "I think this discussion

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"I think this discussion is useless" in regards to trying to negate the importance of protecting IP rights.

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The comments of Adam Duke sound like something "ripped" (pun intended) from a thieving "life" community.

fossil basalt Dec 23, 2018, 2:03 PM

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Both

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In the eyes of the law there is no difference between the two.

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An individual has the same rights to their creations as does a large corporation.

soft egret Dec 23, 2018, 2:13 PM

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wat

dull moon Dec 23, 2018, 2:14 PM

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Next, some person who made a mod for Arma shouldn’t have those rights
wtf

soft egret Dec 23, 2018, 2:15 PM

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You don't know how copyright law works at all...
GG

dull moon Dec 23, 2018, 2:15 PM

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heeeeeere we go

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smartass alert

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i'm out

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cya

fossil basalt Dec 23, 2018, 2:15 PM

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You might want to do a bit of research into intellectual property rights. Additionally, you may want to have a read of our #rules. Also, if correct grammar is off-putting, you may want to invest in a dictionary and a thesaurus.

dull moon Dec 23, 2018, 2:16 PM

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ohoh

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😄

soft egret Dec 23, 2018, 2:16 PM

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Just get rid of that troll 🙄

fossil basalt Dec 23, 2018, 2:16 PM

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Not a wise choice.

dull moon Dec 23, 2018, 2:18 PM

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superficial knowledge is bad enough, but trying to argue based on that with mods... nope 😄

river spear Dec 23, 2018, 2:33 PM

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I missed the fun again, damn it

fossil basalt Dec 23, 2018, 2:34 PM

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Just another troll.

echo orchid Dec 23, 2018, 3:21 PM

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fuuu

minor herald Dec 24, 2018, 2:02 AM

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I hate that messages are deleted when someone is banned, cause then I miss out on them being stupid

glass yacht Dec 24, 2018, 2:03 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1599970858

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🤔

dull moon Dec 24, 2018, 2:05 AM

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@queen wing

minor herald Dec 24, 2018, 2:17 AM

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@soft egret https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1595903186

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Just gonna take a wild guess from the name lol

rapid wagon Dec 24, 2018, 2:23 AM

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even cba_3 reupload because that needed 🤔

minor herald Dec 24, 2018, 2:25 AM

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It's actually a real shame that going through the workshop, anything with Life in the name, I can assume(and be correct) that it has stolen content in it

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Only decent server that is still up is City Life

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decent as in, not shady, not using stolen content

queen wing Dec 24, 2018, 5:38 AM

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Thanks!

soft egret Dec 24, 2018, 1:24 PM

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@carmine folio Take that down. Or you'll see your permission be revoked faster than you can blink.
Keep using your arma3sync or the official TFAR on workshop.

carmine folio Dec 24, 2018, 1:28 PM

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@soft egret It's good, I thought I left it privately. I deleted it from the workshop, sorry

silent cloud Dec 24, 2018, 2:08 PM

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Am I allowed to extract arma models if I want to make an addon with objects that should tightly fit arma's default vehicles?

fossil basalt Dec 24, 2018, 2:13 PM

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@silent cloud Please clarify exactly what you mean please.

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If you mean "am I allowed to extract models from the game to modify?" then the answer is no. The same applies to user made content as well. There are very few exceptions to this rule and all require permission from the authors to do so.

silent cloud Dec 24, 2018, 7:25 PM

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@fossil basalt Thanks. Let's say, if I wanted to add some armor pieces which will be attachable to a certain arma default vehicle. But in order to model them I need to have the model somehow. What's the best way to do that if I don't want to violate Bohemia's IP rights?

fossil basalt Dec 24, 2018, 7:41 PM

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Unless Bohemia makes it available as a sample for public use, you cannot. The only option available is attachTo. https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/attachTo

attachTo

stoic beacon Dec 24, 2018, 7:44 PM

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Aren't you allowed to export a model, just to make your own?
If you want to make an "add-on" for a vehicle, like he does, can't he use the model from a3 to make his own model?
And then use attachto to add it to the vehicle?
If I understood him correct, he doesn't want to modify or use any model from a3 in his model, he just needs it to make his own model and then he deletes the a3 one.

silent cloud Dec 24, 2018, 7:57 PM

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m_kola is right, that's what I mean.

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So, if I make an addon that adds the said armor plates for some vehicles, and they will be meant to be attachable through attachTo, without saying anywhere how the hell I made them fit the arma's vehicles so nice(I could have potentially guessed the dimensions)... is this OK?

faint nacelle Dec 24, 2018, 8:10 PM

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No it's still against the eula.

hallow lark Dec 24, 2018, 8:30 PM

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Debinarizing a3 models is not allowed no matter what the purpose.

fossil basalt Dec 24, 2018, 8:32 PM

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Correct ☝️

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Doing so will earn you an instant Ban.

mint edge Dec 25, 2018, 12:12 AM

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@fossil basalt stop deleting post history when you ban people xD

fossil basalt Dec 25, 2018, 12:13 AM

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Nope. They don’t get a platform to spout their BS.

glass yacht Dec 25, 2018, 12:58 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1601199660

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🤔

dull moon Dec 25, 2018, 1:23 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

tiny raven Dec 25, 2018, 10:06 AM

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If I edit default mission and run it on dedicated server, does it violate EULA and Game Content Usage Rules?

pallid plaza Dec 25, 2018, 11:23 AM

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Which mission?

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Always if you use other‘s content without permission it is against the rules. But what do you want to edit? I mean there is a mission there the campaign is switch to RHS. It is possible

glass yacht Dec 27, 2018, 5:20 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1603777896

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🤔

royal charm Dec 27, 2018, 5:25 PM

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@glass yacht imo, that's not a hugely problematic upload from that guy. ACE allows redsitribution and modification - removing the G-force PBOs from the ACE mod is modification of the mod, and changes the end result, meaning that you would be okay by the Workshop Terms of Service. It's a minor alteration, but it's still an alteration.

There's a ton of ACE reuploads without modification at all - those are the ones that should recieve scrutiny.

soft egret Dec 27, 2018, 5:30 PM

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ACE allows reuploads if modified and clearly marked as not the official version.
Still be violating the subscriber agreement so you can report it for that. But not a #ip_rights_violations by itself. IP right itself is not violated, just steam eula

royal charm Dec 27, 2018, 5:44 PM

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How is Steam EULA violated? @soft egret

If he's removing PBO's from the official version, then it's a modification (in the legal sense)

fossil basalt Dec 27, 2018, 5:45 PM

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According to the Steam Subscriber Agreement it’s prohibited.

royal charm Dec 27, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Well for example, I've had some of my open source work relicensed, where people take it and remove a module, and republish. I've spoken to lawyers, and it's legal.

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Ahh contributions

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Thought it was based on modifications

fossil basalt Dec 27, 2018, 5:46 PM

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Also, the SSA is very specific.

soft egret Dec 27, 2018, 5:46 PM

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In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).
"contributed besides you" if you didn't contribute something, that doesn't apply

vale steeple Dec 27, 2018, 5:47 PM

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removing something is not really a contribution
that's pretty subjective

fossil basalt Dec 27, 2018, 5:47 PM

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For example, it’s typically legal to smoke in public, but not in say a shopping centre. The same with Steam. As it’s their platform, there are additional restrictions.

soft egret Dec 27, 2018, 5:47 PM

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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/contribute
to give something
to add new plans or ideas, or help make improvements to something so that it becomes more valuable or successful

vale steeple Dec 27, 2018, 5:49 PM

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or help make improvements to something

soft egret Dec 27, 2018, 5:50 PM

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And even if it was contribution, would still need permission to upload on behalf of all other contributors.
It's GPL. Meaning his "modification" needs to be open source too.

fossil basalt Dec 27, 2018, 5:51 PM

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You MAY NOT aka PROHIBITED upload /re-upload something you have not wholly created or contributed as part of a team on (and in such case where you have permission from each contributor) .

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So, as an example, it is PROHIBITED to upload open source content.

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Steam’s platform, Steam’s rules.

spare osprey Dec 27, 2018, 8:28 PM

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If it’s not allowed as it’s clearly been stated here 100x , why are arma’s Mod creators allowed to violate Steams subscribers agreement by giving permission to something they can’t give permission to in the first place. - context, more for a better understanding not to be confrontational

narrow topaz Dec 27, 2018, 10:07 PM

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Authors cannot give you permission to upload their work to Steam. They can tell you that they won't personally report your reupload, but you'll still be violating 6D unless you meet the specified criteria. Permission from an author does not supersede the Steam EULA

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tl;dr: https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105784487148802048/521687146310926346

safe sierra Dec 28, 2018, 1:34 AM

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He's at it again lads (Anzus - frank)
https://imgur.com/a/iexhS9Y

soft egret Dec 28, 2018, 1:46 AM

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"again" *shows 10 month old post"

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not again. But "still"

safe sierra Dec 28, 2018, 1:57 AM

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oh my bad, couldn't remember him having a "store" for it all though

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does still say in the post he's whitelisted for monetization as well, which he's not

soft egret Dec 28, 2018, 2:03 AM

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Okey nope

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the videos were uploaded a week ago. And they switched to that new terrain with accompaning steam workshop reuploads of common mods.
Also added new stolen vehicles. And added new "donator" skins that you can buy even though they are using a dozen mods that don't allow monetization, and they don't have permission by bohemia either.

safe sierra Dec 28, 2018, 2:14 AM

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I've heard he's also DMing people on discord on an alt offering to sell a list of scripts which i'm pretty sure other people have made, nothing's really changed then it seems

prisma scaffold Dec 28, 2018, 7:25 AM

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Question,
So as far as I'm aware the current fallujah on Steam workshop(the most updated one). Is only uploaded thanks to permission from the previous author. If I was to ask permission to use on a monetized. Who would I actually need to talk to? The uploader or the original Arthur?

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Or would I need both, since I'm using the uploaders file to host?

fossil basalt Dec 28, 2018, 8:58 AM

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@spare osprey why are arma’s Mod creators allowed to violate Steams subscribers agreement by giving permission to something they can’t give permission to in the first place. They aren't, that's why legal action can be taken against them by the Authors.

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@prisma scaffold There are a couple of factors at play here. If the Uploader was not a contributer to the terrain, they technically aren't authorised by Steam to upload it. The best course of action would be to gain permission from both and receive written permission (A forum post from the original authors helps as well). The problem you will face from "someone else" uploading it is that one day, your monetised terrain may just one day disappear of the Steam Workshop.

soft egret Dec 28, 2018, 1:27 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1321654693
HAFM, NiArms, Massi, R3F, HAFM, RH Pistols, SFP Wheelchair, EWK_Cigs (not allowed to be used on any life servers)

yawns

glass yacht Dec 28, 2018, 4:08 PM

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yowza

soft egret Dec 28, 2018, 8:42 PM

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Two guys join TFAR discord and immediately leave again.
I'm thinking "huh.. That's weird, what's up with that"
I click on them and see that they are on Arma discord too. And have their steam accounts connected. And they both have multiple multi gigabyte big "modpack" uploads on the workshop

Well... You guys just stepped into my honeypot.
Remember that guys, if you join TFAR discord with a connected steam account. Your risk of getting caught with your illegal reuploads increases 100x

dull moon Dec 28, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Now i get it 😄

midnight crystal Dec 28, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Thonk

soft egret Dec 28, 2018, 9:55 PM

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Okey @flint topaz @dark finch

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1562726179
VSM, TFA (Original: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=313027040), Tactical Hand Signals (http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=28179)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1429595471
VSM, TFA, Spartan mk14 EBS (Original: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=934001894)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1480210123
VSM, TFA, COS (Original: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=846603147)

You might want to fix all those illegal reuploads guys..

dark finch Dec 28, 2018, 9:59 PM

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@soft egret will do!

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They’ve been taken care off!

soft egret Dec 28, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Thanks! That was quick.
Quick survey question. Why did you upload them, and did you know that it's not allowed?

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If there was a message box popup before uploading a mod with Publisher that told you that you cannot upload anything that you didn't make by yourself, would that have stopped you?

dark finch Dec 28, 2018, 10:05 PM

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no actually didnt! we decided to make an modpack for our unit. i got handed a few mods! which was requested by our rembers.
not that i remember.
i was told we needed unique keys tho.

soft egret Dec 28, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Cool so you didn't know. So a message popup telling you about it would have prevented it?

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Thats very useful info, don't get to talk to people who reupload stuff that often. As they are usually not as nice as you ^^

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Btw you can use collections to make modpacks. That's not violating any rules and just as easy.

dark finch Dec 28, 2018, 10:08 PM

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alright! thanks! mod stuff is fairly new to me so im still trying to get a grasp of things 😃

flint topaz Dec 28, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Our bad ❤ No harm intended and not aiming to theft anyone. Yeah we are having some issues with new members hence the TFAR pop-in as wanted to see why the site was down.

It was in an attempt to get the server secure as all the mods did not have signs and it was requested as Sabel mention. Found this for the mission ini though (

endMission "END2";};```  )
 and we are busy reworking this for the new year. As Sabel said, we are new to this.

brisk ember Dec 28, 2018, 10:29 PM

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That code just means anyone attempting to run the mission with a mod that removes weapon sway gets sent back to the lobby and has no chance to join the mission with said mod

soft egret Dec 28, 2018, 10:30 PM

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If mods are missing signatures, ask the author to add them

flint topaz Dec 28, 2018, 10:31 PM

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^ SOme authors abandoned or never respond. Hence the code. Literally have one running for from no say to SSPCM. Coming in with no arma "hard" knowledge so was basically just youtube tuts and reddit posts and quite a few from here.

keen trout Dec 28, 2018, 10:38 PM

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it's also possible to make a "meta" mod with the rest as dependencies, the arma launcher will actually figure it out all dependencies by doing that if the first sent mod info is your meta mod

flint topaz Dec 28, 2018, 10:41 PM

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@keen trout Will you mind explaining that to me in help please? As that is new language to me

keen trout Dec 28, 2018, 10:41 PM

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make dummy mod with some silly thing like a cfgpatches or whatever, upload to steam, add rest of mods as dependencies

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if you try to join a server with that mod using the launcher, it will ask if you want to add the rest of the missing dependencies as well

dull moon Dec 28, 2018, 11:13 PM

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@mint edge
is this really your version of winter cherno?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2N3fuQuEfU&t=

YouTube

3RNO

DAYZ WINTER IS HERE! - DayZ 1.0

Hello everyone, DayZ Winter mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1597140327 Thanks for watching this video, I'd like to thank the peop...

▶ Play video

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1597140327&searchtext=

mint edge Dec 28, 2018, 11:16 PM

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yea why

dull moon Dec 28, 2018, 11:18 PM

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nvm... i didn't check who's account it was
Video showcasing the mod by 3RNO
this part of the description got me misleading and that this looks very like the new CUP winter cherno 😄

mint edge Dec 28, 2018, 11:19 PM

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but its dayz?

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xd

dull moon Dec 28, 2018, 11:19 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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better keep the eyes on everything

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😄

mint edge Dec 28, 2018, 11:20 PM

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yea but there is literally nothing related to arma 2 in dayz

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no more old foliage

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dont know what i could even nick

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xd

dull moon Dec 28, 2018, 11:21 PM

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no worries, i could have figured if i had read who uploaded it :D
since it is not all that complicated to port stuff from A3 to DayZ and saw this, i made me wonder

mint edge Dec 28, 2018, 11:21 PM

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o

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well dayz chernarus is infinitely better then arma 2 chernarus

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anyone thinking of porting it is an ape

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with no brain

dull moon Dec 28, 2018, 11:22 PM

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i was thinking of the new CUP winter chernarus, not the old A2 stuff

mint edge Dec 28, 2018, 11:22 PM

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o

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its still old cherno tho xd

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couple million objects too few to look good

dull moon Dec 28, 2018, 11:23 PM

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it's not really a2 anymore since we rebuilt the maps with source data and got new vegetation/texturing

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but yes, object count is "still" a2

soft egret Dec 29, 2018, 2:18 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1381434988

Only Authorized Personnel May Use This Modification Pack. Yeah.. True. But even the uploader of the pack is not authorized to use it 😄 What a joke.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1381433628
Enhanced Movement, Massi weapons, Shacktac stuff, VSM, FHQ, NiArms, ASR AI, cTab, RH Pistols, Achilles, Ares

Is this supposed to be some kind of joke?

@neon garnet that's your group. WTF do you think you are doing?
Not only are you just reuploading my stuff without asking, violating the Steam Subscriber Agreement AND! the rules concerning workshop uploads on the TFAR website. No. You are also putting your own logo onto my stuff. WTF
WOW. And you are even copy pasting my changelogs into your reupload.

brisk ember Dec 29, 2018, 3:13 PM

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the other one not being DMCAd?

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Looks like they removed about everything now

glass yacht Dec 30, 2018, 5:54 AM

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tbh

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it's kinda weird how armaholic seems to reupload mods

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two of my group's mods were reuploaded without consent and since the descriptions are ripped from the workshop, the armaholic pages have "please don't reupload this anywhere else, the only valid download is on steam"

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i asked them to take one down (when we had released only one mod then) and theyre like "lmao sorry we get our stuff from playwithsix, u gotta ask them to stop reuploading, we can unlist it from here and thats it"

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that was a while ago but i was like thonk

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idc abt it now tbh, but we released a third mod with the same "please don't reupload this anywhere" and if that gets reuploaded to armaholic without us having a say, THEN i'm gonna be mildly upset

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like our mod descriptions ALWAYS include "the only legitimate download is here on the steam workshop, any other websites or reuploads are unsupported and may not work" and even that somehow ended up on the armaholic pages

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and it's like

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?????????

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i get that someone couldve reuploaded the mods on their own accord, but the admin of the site told me they had been automatically reuploaded to another website, and then automatically listed on armaholic, it just seems super shady

carmine folio Dec 30, 2018, 7:41 AM

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I think Dayz SA map is WAYYYY too military. It's like the whole country is one massive military base.

river spear Dec 30, 2018, 8:23 AM

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@glass yacht understandable

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this has been an issue for some time now and has made for some controversy

brisk ember Dec 30, 2018, 9:35 AM

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so they play the blame game? PlaywithSix is dead for about year IIRC

faint nacelle Dec 30, 2018, 1:12 PM

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@carmine folio you sure you're in the right channel?

carmine folio Dec 30, 2018, 1:26 PM

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@faint nacelle not even sure I'm in the right discord server hahaha

faint nacelle Dec 30, 2018, 1:26 PM

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🙈

soft egret Dec 30, 2018, 1:28 PM

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@glass yacht WithSix does the exact same crap. When they shut down they just pushed all their mods to moddb without permission

carmine folio Dec 30, 2018, 1:49 PM

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Armaholic also has a terms of service which contradict quite a lot of the licenses for the things they upload, they are adding terms or taking away rights granted by the authors: http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=39

glass yacht Dec 30, 2018, 4:41 PM

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yeah it's just. super shady and wrong

brisk ember Dec 30, 2018, 6:19 PM

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next time you send an email, just CC a lawyer firm

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they'll get the point

glass yacht Dec 30, 2018, 6:31 PM

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me and a random lawyer firm that has no idea what's going on: Armaholic Pull Up Den

brisk ember Dec 30, 2018, 6:31 PM

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just hint at legal action if they don't cease their actions I guess

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"We get it from PW6" doesn't hold up in a real court 😛

glass yacht Dec 30, 2018, 6:32 PM

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yea lmao

brisk ember Dec 30, 2018, 6:32 PM

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it's even an incredibly weak excuse outside a court room but alas

glass yacht Dec 30, 2018, 6:35 PM

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copying a bad practice from someone else doesn't make that practice any better @armaholic

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i stg if they reupload another mod of mine ill be upset cause like

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PW6 is gone so wyd lmao

brisk ember Dec 30, 2018, 6:40 PM

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it's been dead for like a year so any upload since then was quite illegal I believe

safe arrow Dec 31, 2018, 11:09 AM

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Well still they even contradict their own disclaimer by doing so (and all the other licenses and right of the creators): http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=11746


If you find any such files we ask you kindly to contact us about it so we can take the appropriate steps.```

mint edge Dec 31, 2018, 2:14 PM

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i mean i told them to take this down like 3 times now http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=33315

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but they ignore me 😄

vernal thunder Dec 31, 2018, 2:17 PM

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Why am I not suprised.

merry kestrel Dec 31, 2018, 2:37 PM

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why hasnt Armaholic been black listed and their staff banned from the forums? the amount of violations they have done would have resulted in others being banned at least 3 times

soft egret Dec 31, 2018, 2:38 PM

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Cuz they have been there a long time and are big, thus have the priviledge to get ignored when they grossly violate IP

merry kestrel Dec 31, 2018, 2:40 PM

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wow

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double standard much?

carmine folio Dec 31, 2018, 2:55 PM

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They definitively don't remove even after they have agreed to. It is going to require legal action to get armaholic to comply with IP rights.

fossil basalt Dec 31, 2018, 3:50 PM

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@merry kestrel @soft egret Because I've not seen any such reports.

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If a mod creator has had their mod uploaded to Armaholic without consent and their mod licence prohibits the same, they need to file a report. The same applies to Armaholic not removing mods within a reasonable amount of time.

fossil basalt Dec 31, 2018, 4:08 PM

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Audit trail

manic lark Dec 31, 2018, 6:08 PM

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wheres the task force radio dude

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1596415305

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found this while looking for my own shit

fossil basalt Dec 31, 2018, 6:11 PM

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@soft egret

soft egret Dec 31, 2018, 6:19 PM

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how you know I'm a dude? might be a dudette

fallow hazel Dec 31, 2018, 6:20 PM

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you could be an apache attack helicopter for all i care, you will still be called dude

keen trout Dec 31, 2018, 6:50 PM

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@soft egret but your nick literary says ”men” THINKING

soft egret Dec 31, 2018, 6:51 PM

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women also says men

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1552185750
Citylife @astral marlin , NiArms, RH weapons, MBG killhouses/buildings, Kickass, Jbad, TRYK

Bisigns say @unreal vortex ?
Yes. That's you. I'd recommend you remove that before I throw a DMCA at it

Oh and this: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1504282904 too

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@fossil basalt ^

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DMCA it is then

fossil basalt Dec 31, 2018, 6:57 PM

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Well, @unreal vortex at the very least you've earned yourself a ban.

soft egret Dec 31, 2018, 7:01 PM

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He's in the PsiSyndicate and ALRP Steam group. What a coincidence
And he's friends with Repentz XD

Really can't make this stuff up 🤣

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Nope. He was here. We were talking with him

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He was just banned and his messages were deleted

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No. He got banned for violating #rules on multiple accounts within just a single minute

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Better than thieves and scammers? yeah.. kinda

fossil basalt Dec 31, 2018, 7:05 PM

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@scarlet glade I would tread lightly.

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IP rights violations will earn an insta ban > 90% of the time.

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Thievery is not tolerated.

soft egret Dec 31, 2018, 7:07 PM

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Well.. Most of the mods he has in there already had signatures. He could've just used them

fossil basalt Dec 31, 2018, 7:07 PM

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hacked pbos

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Discussions about copy protection or copying, backing-up, hacking, cracking or reverse engineering of any of BI's products or the products of any other developer is not allowed. Any links pertaining to cheating/hacking our games or servers should be sent to BohemiaBeck.```

astral marlin Dec 31, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Signing work he did not get permission to even use is not good and its funny how people who steal content love to play the OO I did not know. If you don't have permission directly or have created the content don't use it. It's not rocket science

soft egret Dec 31, 2018, 7:09 PM

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You might have missed that. He wasn't playing the "I did not know". He was going the "don't f**king ping me again you ***" way.

astral marlin Dec 31, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Normal attitude of money grab community's steal all you can and run for the hills

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Don't steal then

soft egret Dec 31, 2018, 7:11 PM

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21 and a few

fossil basalt Dec 31, 2018, 7:11 PM

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@scarlet glade When you steal content, EXPECT to be pinged.

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Bye Bye

soft egret Dec 31, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Taking someone elses stuff. Putting your name onto it. And redistributing it is no stealing?..
Aww. Okey

(To answer that question: It IS stealing.)

fossil basalt Dec 31, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.

astral marlin Dec 31, 2018, 7:14 PM

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Taking content with out permission todo so is stealing no matter how you got the content if you don't have permission from the original IP holder your taking without permission and that's stealing

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Dmca filed for the cl content thanks for the heads up @soft egret

soft egret Dec 31, 2018, 7:18 PM

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He sent me a friend request, and he already messaged me half a year back wanting personal help with his database on his life server.
Let's see where this goes 😄

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in the past 2 hours were u surfing steam profiles to check for stolen stuff?
No. Someone else found it while he was looking through violations of his own stuff. And then sent it to me
which guy? can i have a name? i just wanna know so next time i wont take his stuff
You didn't take his stuff you took my stuff and stuff of my friends
what did u make lol
lul bye

As expected

fossil basalt Dec 31, 2018, 7:32 PM

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I don't see why you expected any less.

manic lark Jan 2, 2019, 12:05 AM

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I tried to friend someone on steam to ask them to remove stuff of mine... He seems to have anticipated by question and blocked me. Anyone had to deal with this guy before?

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421526524215296002/529543170724200470/unknown.png

brisk ember Jan 2, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Link to "your stuff" and that which has been uploaded?

soft egret Jan 2, 2019, 12:32 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/id/ghostsgaming/myworkshopfiles doesn't seem to have any objects anymore

lone flame Jan 2, 2019, 1:33 AM

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https://sharproleplay.enjin.com/mobile/forum/viewthread/m/42708609/id/32424017-server-info

Another community stealing A3PL’s content, when will they learn it won’t work 🤭

soft egret Jan 2, 2019, 1:35 AM

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"yeah we have a dozen A3PL pbo's. But I assure you were are not just a cheap A3PL copy!"
"Also we are very intellgent. Which is why we have ASDG JR twice. And we also have TFAR 1.0 AND TFAR 0.9 at the same time. Because we are so profffusunal"

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They even copied the A3PL mod installation guide. Going so far as to show a screenshot with @A3PL

lone flame Jan 2, 2019, 1:40 AM

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They even copied every single word of our rules, regulations and all

soft egret Jan 2, 2019, 1:44 AM

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And they are monetizing without approval 😄

dull moon Jan 2, 2019, 1:44 AM

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send a DMCA to google drive

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

soft egret Jan 2, 2019, 1:49 AM

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Interesting how their server only went live a few days ago. But already have donations from July.

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BI is informed (Techniker ist Informiert)

manic lark Jan 2, 2019, 2:01 AM

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@brisk ember its 2 helmets and a vest that I gave to a mod back before workshop and that now I am trying to have removed since the author who assembled it all "gave" everyone permission to upload them.

soft egret Jan 2, 2019, 2:20 AM

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A guy sent me a friend request on Steam. Let's take a look
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1599134800
complete JSRS reupload
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1599157996
TFAR reupload. But nice that he gives credits to Dedman Miller's work whoever that "Dedman" guy might be 🤔

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1599457232
Firewills jets, @lofty steeple 's FA-18

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1599490051
VSM, TFA and some other mods that I don't know. Who takes care of VSM reuploads again?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1599503498
sfp.. And TONS of SFP stuff. @sonic blade , cTab, Enhanced Movement, kka3_tfar_animations @stoic beacon, GRAD Trenches, TFW Ilbe radio, Zade backpack on chest, UK3CB_BAF Jackal @sweet minnow

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1600820518
Betekov, Dingor, Lingor, Isladuala, Esseker, Clafghan, Ruha, Anizay, Abramia, Bornholm, Mondkalbs buildings, Fallujah, Rosche, Panthera, Kerama
@latent mesa @last gorge @royal gulch

Those are all of his 6 total workshop uploads. 100% stolen content.

royal charm Jan 2, 2019, 2:27 AM

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@soft egret dead man miller? Sounds like a threat to me

last gorge Jan 2, 2019, 2:34 AM

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I personally don't care, rosche is APL-SA. They can reupload it all they want.

undone pier Jan 2, 2019, 4:57 AM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/221103-gadd-monetizing-on-in-game-loadouts/

soft egret Jan 2, 2019, 4:58 AM

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someone tell that guy that links or screenshots or any actual proof besides literally 4 letters would help

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Actually yeah. Please someone post under that if he can show any proof. Useless otherwise. Don't have access to my BIF account right now (would either have to login or walk 3m.. ugh)

strong jasper Jan 2, 2019, 7:30 AM

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@oblique mauve is the owner of GADD, and I’m certain he isn’t doing shady stuff like that, but I’m sure once he wakes up he’ll be happy to respond.

soft egret Jan 2, 2019, 7:34 AM

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FAQ also says donations don't get anything in return
I'll just wait for that guy to show some actual proof

strong jasper Jan 2, 2019, 7:35 AM

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Good call.

oblique mauve Jan 2, 2019, 9:15 AM

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Hello

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I will show you my code for my custom loadouts in Exile.

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It’s actually @strong jasper’s admin loadout script.

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I use it so that my clan members spawn with different gear than regular players. Sort of a perk for being in GADD. No money is involved in becoming a clan member, the application can be found on my website to fill in, it goes to discord where we vote on it as a staff team and then you get accepted. Most of the clan don’t donate, those that do, don’t get anything. I am very strict on the fact we do not give anything for money, if you search the word “donate” in my discord, you will actually see me replying to people that ask “what do I get for donating”... “nothing” and they then say “okay” and don’t donate 😂

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@ me if you have questions, my job involves driving so I can’t reply on the post linked above until I am home later.

hushed spoke Jan 2, 2019, 9:31 AM

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Monkey, just forget that guy. Probably just got killed in game, thinks he's the best, can't take it, lashing out. Not many of those around..... 😉
The burden of proof is on him.

oblique mauve Jan 2, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Well I will provide all code needed if BI’s infringements team wish to see it. I’ve spoken to Jiri before because of the same shit. Salty players...

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Libellous words from a former player.

stoic beacon Jan 2, 2019, 11:49 AM

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@soft egret thanks, I'll take care of it once I'm home

oblique mauve Jan 2, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Oh FYI, i have given my two cents. https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/221103-gadd-monetizing-on-in-game-loadouts/?tab=comments#comment-3332032

oblique mauve Jan 2, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Case closed. He deleted the post. Cheers.

soft egret Jan 2, 2019, 10:39 PM

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users can't delete posts. HE didn't. Dunno why a moderator would?

brisk ember Jan 2, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Could've asked a mod to delete, no?

sick wadi Jan 3, 2019, 4:06 AM

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oh damn, cheers @soft egret for the tip on the TFA reupload

fossil basalt Jan 3, 2019, 11:03 AM

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@oblique mauve @oblique mauve The thread was hidden while its being looked into. (no posts were deleted)

oblique mauve Jan 3, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Great.

low pebble Jan 3, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Trust, but verify @oblique mauve

oblique mauve Jan 3, 2019, 5:52 PM

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I'm all fine with protocol and procedures. It irritates me when good people get thrown under the bus for things they haven't done.

low pebble Jan 3, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Nobody got thrown under the bus yet. ? 🤔

narrow topaz Jan 3, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Unless your servers' BattlEye is disabled, you've not been thrown under the bus

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Patience

low pebble Jan 3, 2019, 5:53 PM

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At the very least i can see the majority of the people here still looking with doubt to the guy with his post about your so called "breach of TOS"

broken acorn Jan 3, 2019, 7:22 PM

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seems someone has been naughty and taken massi's stuff and some other peoples stuff and put in a modpack without asking permission, also no credits given anywhere, https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1613078147

dull moon Jan 3, 2019, 7:23 PM

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(no index for it yet) @river spear

river spear Jan 3, 2019, 7:30 PM

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im letting it run now

dull moon Jan 3, 2019, 7:30 PM

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thx

river spear Jan 3, 2019, 8:25 PM

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@dull moon should be in now

dull moon Jan 3, 2019, 8:35 PM

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🤘

mental edge Jan 3, 2019, 11:35 PM

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It's no violation, but I was wondering what license do most people use for their mods?
I've been doing a fair bit of digging and one that kept me wondering is that RHS is using Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International but last I checked that wasn't really recommended for software.
I might be mixing it up with another variant perhaps?
ACE3 went for GPL V2, TFAR chose APL-SA. Anyone that has any experience want to discuss or guide me, I would mostly appreciate it.

dull moon Jan 3, 2019, 11:36 PM

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question:
what do you want to have covered? what do you want to achieve / prevent with the license

mental edge Jan 3, 2019, 11:38 PM

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I avoided that really. I think my ideal scenario for the content I would be producing would be CC4.0, but it also includes software, which guided me into GPL 3.0.

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I mostly want to avoid someone would take the content and make money off it. That's all.

dull moon Jan 3, 2019, 11:39 PM

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so basically APL without monetization?

mental edge Jan 3, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Yeah I guess, I haven't read up on APL to be honest.

dull moon Jan 3, 2019, 11:40 PM

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we have a modified and BI approved APL-SA license for CUP, also for everybody who want can use it for his/her mod
http://cup-arma3.org/license

mental edge Jan 3, 2019, 11:40 PM

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I do have it in front of me though, reading atm

dull moon Jan 3, 2019, 11:40 PM

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feel free to read and maybe even use it

mental edge Jan 3, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Oh ok cheers! But why all the differences between 4 big and common mods?

dull moon Jan 3, 2019, 11:41 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

mental edge Jan 3, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Like it's literally 1 for each 😄

dull moon Jan 3, 2019, 11:42 PM

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the main thing we modified the APL-SA is, because it does not cover the monetization as we want it to be covered

brisk ember Jan 3, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Because one mod may be cool with alterations and uploads while the other isn't

dull moon Jan 3, 2019, 11:42 PM

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but other than that it is the same as TFAR uses, plus the no-monetization addition

brisk ember Jan 3, 2019, 11:43 PM

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There's really no reason for different/tailored licenses not to exist

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unless you're cool with them all going Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International?

faint nacelle Jan 3, 2019, 11:46 PM

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"you can use but not touch"

mental edge Jan 3, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Well, first off I understand the need for tailored licenses, but I am really just trying to wrap my head around this.
Licenses are complex and mods per definition grey areas therein.
Say I have a mod and it's not open source, which license would I choose?
If someone cares to elaborate on some finer details on why certain mods chose certain paths that would probably help me.
PM me if you don't want to cause any discord drama.

brisk ember Jan 3, 2019, 11:52 PM

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there's a flowchart for which license to choose

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https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses

mental edge Jan 3, 2019, 11:53 PM

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I thank you 🙏

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Did not know that existed.

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I was kinda looking at more general licenses outside of the A3 ones. but I guess this is a start for A3 related mods. Thanks

brisk ember Jan 3, 2019, 11:54 PM

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I needed google image search to find it 😄

mental edge Jan 3, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Ok at least I can figure out which license to stick on what mod. Still it intrigues me...

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I thought "I'll just google other A3 mods to figure out what... wait waht"

soft egret Jan 4, 2019, 12:32 AM

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that wasn't really recommended for software. A mod is not really software?
It's same kind of software as an image or a piece of musik.. Which people usually don't call software

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@dull moon the main thing we modified the APL-SA is, because it does not cover the monetization as we want it to be covered It does. APL-SA is non commercial. Aka no monetization

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but other than that it is the same as TFAR uses, plus the no-monetization addition TFAR is APL-SA, and that does indeed include no-monetization.

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https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/arma-public-license-share-alike like.. Did you read the license? The first 4 bullet points. And the logo also contains the non commercial part

dull moon Jan 4, 2019, 12:35 AM

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iirc the APL-SA was not covering that when we made CUP-L

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and there was also no APL-ND back then

mental edge Jan 4, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Yeah I assumed it had to be a little outdated considering the exception for Withsix ✝

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And the APL licenses state that the content be used for A3 only, is it correct to assume that as the content creator I can still reuse the same content in say Ark mods? Just an example.
Assume no use of A3Tools during the process.

soft egret Jan 4, 2019, 12:57 AM

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you are the rights owner

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you can change the license, or give exceptions to people

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Like I can still allow people to monetize TFAR even though the license forbids it

mental edge Jan 4, 2019, 12:58 AM

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Ohhhh okay, I guess that's where I got lost.

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Proprietary rights =/= licenses?

soft egret Jan 4, 2019, 12:59 AM

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yep

mental edge Jan 4, 2019, 1:00 AM

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Now to label everything correctly. Thanks for your input.

fierce ocean Jan 4, 2019, 1:11 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1214232741 @dull moon

dull moon Jan 4, 2019, 1:12 AM

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What about it

fierce ocean Jan 4, 2019, 1:12 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/YUN8ZAz.png

dull moon Jan 4, 2019, 1:12 AM

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?

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noted and added to my never ending list....
thx

prisma scaffold Jan 4, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Question, if a mod has a APL and you make a durative of it, can you add your own license on top of the orginal, to your durative ? Like requiring durative of your version to be open source or something like that?

soft egret Jan 4, 2019, 2:34 AM

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no

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That's why it says "share alike"

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you can make some slight changes. Such that it is still "alike"

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but you cannot just put a different license onto it

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you might be able to add more restrictions.. maybe (probably also limited in some ways), but you cannot remove restrictions.

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I haven't yet seen a mod released as APL. I've only seen APL-SA so far

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But for example APL is still non commercial. You cannot make a derivative just changing a line in a config somewhere. And then allow people to monetize your "derivative"

royal charm Jan 4, 2019, 4:18 AM

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@soft egret actually, that "change a line in there somewhere" topic is something I was curious about. I modified ACE (which is allowed) to hardcode some settings in (rather than allow players to change them and fuck with mission). Only ~40 lines of the thousands are modified. Whats the SteamWorkshop policy on uploading something like that for personal use? (It's fine by ACE).

soft egret Jan 4, 2019, 4:20 AM

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That would fall under the "you contributed" I'd say

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where steam requires you to have permission by all other contributors

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Steam is not clear whether the license the code was released under matter

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besides one pbo everything is GPL. So.. Does that mean the contributors agreed to steam workshop uploads? They agreed to have their code be freely shared.. But does that apply to Steam too?

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Only one of Steams lawyers can answer you that, but the subscriber agreement itself, doesn't mention that. It says permission by each of the other contributors.
So I'd assume that to be specific to you, and specific to that upload

royal charm Jan 4, 2019, 4:24 AM

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I consulted my own lawyer (my girlfriend 😂) and she thinks it's kosher, but I was kinda wanting to gauge public opinion as well I suppose

soft egret Jan 4, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Steam doesn't talk about "permission to distribute on workshop"
They say "permission to distribute on all other contributors behalf" which is a little different

You have the first one, GPL allows you to distribute wherever you want. But the second... Dunno. Am not a lawyer.

GPL does require you to have all your modifications open source tho

vale steeple Jan 4, 2019, 6:44 AM

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it does actually talk about rights to distribution. Steam requires you to waive their liability so they can send your content thru their distribution network. its ~~buried somewhere~~ in the EULA.

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Section 6. A.

soft egret Jan 4, 2019, 6:56 AM

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yeah but I meant 6D which says "on their behalf"

And to me "on their behalf" means "in their name"
And "distribute wherever you want" is different than "distribute under my name wherever you want"

vale steeple Jan 4, 2019, 7:06 AM

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its just a liability thing, steam takes zero when you use their platform for legal reasons obv.

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really invasive, especially the wording.

gentle compass Jan 4, 2019, 9:29 AM

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@prisma scaffold IANAL, but if your work is truly derivative, then yes, the derivative material can be disclaimed from the parent material and licensed separately. If your work is merely adaptive, then it is still bound to the terms of the original license. Now that's not to say that the original license may not have a provision for re-licensing adaptive materials.

manic narwhal Jan 4, 2019, 9:31 AM

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@royal charm I have to ask why you dont just use force force in the server cba settings...🤔

gentle compass Jan 4, 2019, 9:35 AM

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I believe logged in admins can still change those settings.

soft egret Jan 4, 2019, 9:37 AM

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no, can't edit settings forced through file. Because saving them would have to edit the file, which Arma can't

gentle compass Jan 4, 2019, 9:40 AM

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I assume we are talking about the CBA_Settings file, the one that has a bunch of entries like

force force ace_advanced_fatigue_enabled = true;

If so, yes mission settings can be overwritten by logged in admins.

soft egret Jan 4, 2019, 9:43 AM

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He talked about a config addon. So I assume he's talking about an addon when he says addon. Not a mission

gentle compass Jan 4, 2019, 9:44 AM

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I read "rather than allow players to change them and fuck with mission" and assumed he is uploading a mission, with his modified ACE as a dependency, and doesn't want server admins to be able to change settings, and thought Snake suggested editing the CBA_Settings.sqf file.

fossil basalt Jan 4, 2019, 9:52 AM

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@gentle compass No Derivative means No Derivative.

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No Derivatives - If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you may not distribute the modified material.

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https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/

Bohemia Interactive

Licenses | Bohemia Interactive

Bohemia Interactive is an independent game development studio, known for the Arma series, DayZ, Take On Mars, Ylands, and more.

gentle compass Jan 4, 2019, 10:00 AM

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Well that's what the license says yes, but that's not necessarily what the law is. Copyright is very very complex and there's a reason why IP lawyers are the highest earning specialization of lawyers.
Ultimately though I will agree, don't derive from something covered by an -ND license unless you've consulted a lawyer.

fossil basalt Jan 4, 2019, 10:50 AM

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And even then, prepare to be banned from Arma.

fossil basalt Jan 4, 2019, 11:06 AM

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..A person who has committed a crime can often be found not guilty, but it does not change the fact that the act was committed. Here, the intent is quite explicit. NO Derivatives.

royal charm Jan 4, 2019, 12:00 PM

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@manic narwhal Well, partially because it's fun to modify the actual code, and partially because I didn't realize force force existed

dull moon Jan 4, 2019, 12:03 PM

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"use the force, harry..."
_ - gandalf_

royal charm Jan 4, 2019, 12:07 PM

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@manic narwhal I suppose the other reason would be that, this version wouldn't automatically update right before missions 🤣

echo orchid Jan 4, 2019, 12:12 PM

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@mental edge we use CC license because:
a. we always have
b. my lawyer suggested we stick with a license that is renowned rather then arma specific
c. apl-sa wasn’t redacted at the moment of our first rhs for a3 release

royal charm Jan 4, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Speak of the devil

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Mr Pu*"Let's always release our updates every Sunday afternoon because we know about Hawkin's operations"*Fu

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@echo orchid 😆

echo orchid Jan 4, 2019, 12:13 PM

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what?

royal charm Jan 4, 2019, 12:15 PM

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Was using Steam Workshop for one of our public servers, with big public events every Sunday night - RHS has had a tendency to post their updates a few hours before that time window pretty consistently 😃

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I so so so so wish workshop had version control

echo orchid Jan 4, 2019, 12:17 PM

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lol man, we have released updates in every single day of the week, the result was the same - someone bitched about his gamenight going tits up

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the current stance is - the updates will always be released when it is convenient for the developer, with zero regard to when it might be convenient for the user

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so yes, it is most likely that future updates will also happen in the weekends from now on, because that is when it is most convenient for most of us working class people to get together from 4 continents

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@royal charm ^

royal charm Jan 4, 2019, 12:21 PM

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haha I'm not faulting you for it, it's not an issue with you guys. It's just more an issue with Steam Workshop forcing updates upon players

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obviously no matter when you release something, there'll be someones event that it interrupts - but I'd rather be interrupted than never recieve updates! 😆

echo orchid Jan 4, 2019, 12:23 PM

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to be honest you don't even need version control

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just an option to manually download updates

royal charm Jan 4, 2019, 12:24 PM

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That would also be lovely hehe

echo orchid Jan 4, 2019, 12:25 PM

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but that doesn't mean some blokes wouldn't complain because they don't know how or they forgot to tick/untick that option

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in any case, we are going OT here

mental edge Jan 4, 2019, 4:21 PM

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A late thanks to @echo orchid for the response above and everyone here that participated in the license-matter. Truly helpful and loved reading up.

dull moon Jan 4, 2019, 4:26 PM

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That's what this channel is for

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o7

soft egret Jan 4, 2019, 11:06 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1371368117
NiArms, USAF AC130, UK3CB Weapons,vehicles,units, Firewill Jets.
@sweet minnow @queen wing

Uploader @gilded inlet

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=969966899
Same guy
ALiVE, Firewill's jets, NiArms, 3CB Units,Weapons,vehicles

brisk ember Jan 5, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Is this what KG GRAM has descended into?

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Forwarded to AliVE Discord and authors

soft egret Jan 5, 2019, 12:27 AM

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They got attention because they posted a "speak with people instead of just filing a DMCA" thread in a german Arma forum where they wanted mod authors to speak to people instead of just taking their stuff down. They said everyone is free to upload anything to steam workshop because steam explicitly allows that. And additionally if they provide credits, that means everything is fine.
So i thought.. Let's look at their steam uploads.. Wasn't suprised

brisk ember Jan 5, 2019, 12:28 AM

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but Steam doesn't explicitly allow that...

soft egret Jan 5, 2019, 12:28 AM

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exactly..

brisk ember Jan 5, 2019, 12:30 AM

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Firewill Jets - uploaded to Steam Workshop and it is allowed since there is Steam Subscriber Agreement 6 B (a) and of course 6 D.
NiArms is licensed with Arma Public Share-Alike (APL-SA), so it is useable.
3CB Units is released under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 - allowed to reupload```

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(it's a response on the SW item)

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Any wisdom you can throw at him? @fossil basalt 😄

chilly silo Jan 5, 2019, 12:35 AM

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D. Representations and Warranties

You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B. above or in any license terms specific to the applicable Workshop-Enabled App or Workshop page. This includes, without limitation, any kind of intellectual property rights or other proprietary or personal rights affected by or included in the User Generated Content. In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).

You furthermore represent and warrant that the User Generated Content, your submission of that Content, and your granting of rights in that Content does not violate any applicable contract, law or regulation.

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Section 6D

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of https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

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No authorisation no upload

soft egret Jan 5, 2019, 12:44 AM

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There was rksl stuff in there too btw. Dunno what that really is though

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it had uk3cb prefix I think

chilly silo Jan 5, 2019, 12:44 AM

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It will be the Attachments

soft egret Jan 5, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Don't understand how one can be so stupid as to point directly to the section of the subscriber agreement that forbids reuploads, and then say that this section allows reuploads 🤔

brisk ember Jan 5, 2019, 12:49 AM

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Their own interpretation or only reading half of it I guess

dull moon Jan 5, 2019, 1:01 AM

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@soft egret
what forum?

soft egret Jan 5, 2019, 1:01 AM

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armaworld

dull moon Jan 5, 2019, 1:01 AM

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got a link to the posts?

soft egret Jan 5, 2019, 1:02 AM

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Can't you search yourself. You lazy lutz https://armaworld.de/index.php?thread/4240-sprechen-statt-dmca

dull moon Jan 5, 2019, 1:02 AM

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i'm german. it's more efficient to ask dedmen, thyn searching myself 😄

soft egret Jan 5, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Btw.. Not that it has anything really to do with this, I just find this funny. He has his own Life Framework.
Another stubborn reuploader that wants to missunderstand all rules and doesn't care about IP rights, and he happens to be in the life scene.

fossil basalt Jan 5, 2019, 8:36 AM

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He has been removed.

soft egret Jan 5, 2019, 8:36 AM

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Now just have to wait till his reuploads disappear

mint abyss Jan 5, 2019, 10:19 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1463062730 has hlc cup tfr rh and probably more

brisk ember Jan 5, 2019, 10:57 AM

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Life.... What else is new

spare osprey Jan 5, 2019, 11:31 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/xhZKTVG
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1560229549

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Too many to list, image attached

river spear Jan 5, 2019, 11:47 AM

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Would it be helpful to have a tool to list the files of a workshop file and then be able to pick specifc files to download rather than the whole mod?

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The benefit being the server with a gigabit connection downloads the whole mod, keeps it available for a few hours then deletes it, in this timespan you can download specific files you want to look at

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Might be helpful to people with slower internet connections

spare osprey Jan 5, 2019, 11:53 AM

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As in making a mod pack on an individuals computer ? I think the biggest issue for us is the server not being able to display all the mods. But I’ve think I’ve fixed that issue with a dummy mod . Now I can control the mod pack on a weekly basis.

river spear Jan 5, 2019, 12:00 PM

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Oh no sorry I meant downloading for the purpose of checking on IP infringements

spare osprey Jan 5, 2019, 12:04 PM

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I think that would be great for people with metered connections as well

stoic beacon Jan 5, 2019, 12:15 PM

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@burnt oak 👆

burnt oak Jan 5, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Woo!

flint topaz Jan 5, 2019, 2:33 PM

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question?

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1437381631
http://prntscr.com/m3dm1c

EDIT : C.O.S Sakuraba V2 Containing VSM pbo

faint nacelle Jan 5, 2019, 2:34 PM

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whats the question @flint topaz

flint topaz Jan 5, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Edit ^

faint nacelle Jan 5, 2019, 2:36 PM

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well the orignal pack seems to be just a compilation of other peoples work

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so its probably all unauthorized

flint topaz Jan 5, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Yeah not sure. But re-working the modpack that we use as we unknowingly made a mistake that Dedmen corrected us on. Started going through the loaded mods and looking what causes errors and noticed that. Personally I have no idea about who may do what. Just thought I'd note it.

faint nacelle Jan 5, 2019, 2:57 PM

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seems like the comments report problems too.

brisk ember Jan 6, 2019, 10:17 AM

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3CB lads not taking down that upload Dedmen found?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=969966899
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1371368117

chilly silo Jan 6, 2019, 10:25 AM

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@fossil basalt who deals with EBO files? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1199915594&searchtext=yamaha

soft egret Jan 6, 2019, 10:25 AM

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Dwarden does

dull moon Jan 6, 2019, 10:36 AM

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@wary tundra aren't you with 3CB?

brisk ember Jan 6, 2019, 10:36 AM

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@sweet minnow is

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could've sworn someone named Apollo, who was here, too

soft egret Jan 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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yeah. He still is in here

dull moon Jan 6, 2019, 10:46 AM

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@bright tartan
are you in any way related to the yamaha mod Rock just posted?

soft egret Jan 6, 2019, 10:59 AM

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Yes that's him

dull moon Jan 6, 2019, 11:00 AM

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EBO, no gud

sweet minnow Jan 6, 2019, 11:56 AM

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@soft egret thanks for the heads up

soft egret Jan 6, 2019, 12:28 PM

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@sweet minnow
You apparently don't even know under which licenses you publish your works. The worst thing is when the creators don't even understand the licenses they distribute. I can only laugh at you. I guess the want the hard way

sweet minnow Jan 6, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Oh well

soft egret Jan 6, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Wow.. That chat in there. The reuploader gave FM a "virtual house ban according to German law"
He banned FM for banning him 😄

echo orchid Jan 6, 2019, 1:04 PM

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🍿

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i don’t get why bother and why you don’t simply dmca it

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@sweet minnow

soft egret Jan 6, 2019, 1:28 PM

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He updated the item half an hour ago. Maybe he removed it in the same second as saying "fuck off! It's my right and you cannot do anything about it" and playing the big guy

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Having a big mouth, but silently complying

proud flicker Jan 6, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Jeebus waht a shitfest in that thread.

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that 3CB thing takes the cake, though.

soft egret Jan 6, 2019, 1:49 PM

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What a coincidence. All these people in there that think they are lawyers... Are members of "Kampfgruppe Gram" 🤔

proud flicker Jan 6, 2019, 1:53 PM

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This is destilled essence of why I stopped public releases.

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Just the fucking audacity.

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"Oh you dont know your own license, so imma go and do what I want. sue me!"

twilit ridge Jan 6, 2019, 1:57 PM

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This is why you can not take these german communities serious.

bright tartan Jan 6, 2019, 2:27 PM

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@dull moon not really, i was added to that workshop mod to overhaul it

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but havent dont it yet cuz time

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but it was one of my intensions to replace the ebo with pbo 😄

faint nacelle Jan 6, 2019, 2:35 PM

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might want to make time for that

bright tartan Jan 6, 2019, 2:42 PM

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yea think i will do it this week thinkeyes

dull moon Jan 6, 2019, 5:02 PM

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@bright tartan
i'd set it to private asap

dusk dew Jan 6, 2019, 6:57 PM

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privates all workshop items

echo orchid Jan 6, 2019, 11:35 PM

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so, none managed to get a DMCA on that shitshow so far?

hallow lark Jan 7, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Does valve process them on the weekend?

faint nacelle Jan 7, 2019, 3:44 AM

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Would guess not. But timezones vary. What is still weekend for you might be monday morning for for someone else.

soft egret Jan 7, 2019, 4:47 AM

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DMCA get displayed a couple minutes after someone files one. 3CB asked them to remove it. So I guess they give them a grace period

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Btw had some people (with gross lack of even the most basic of reading skills) arguing that you cannot DMCA for someone reuploading your stuff if your license allows redistribution, meaning you can only report for steam subscriber agreement violation but not file a DMCA.

Just wanna get this out of the way before more idiots try to jump on that wagon. The Subscriber Agreement section 6D that we like to cite so much actually tells you why you can't, we usually only cite the last sentence. But the first sentence says that by uploading you are giving Steam the right to create derivatives and use them and/or your original upload for promoting the Steam platform which is commercial use.

So by uploading to steam, you'd try to give Steam rights that you don't even own yourself.

So even if your license allows "free redistribution" if it doesn't also allow derivatives and commercial use, then uploading to Steam is a license breach, which means you loose the right to redistribute.

All APL licensed mods disallow commercial use, meaning reupload to steam not allowed in any way except by the original author (which is why steam added that section 6D that we cite so much)
Only the most free licenses like GPL or MIT would allow it. But you'd still be violating the Subscriber Agreement of course.

These "people" basically only read the short laymans terms overview page of the CC license saying that you are free to redistribute. And are trying to make that their motto, threatening to file counter claims to anyone DMCA'ing. I even saw them personally threatening a Arma Modder that was part of the Armaworld thread because he had a youtube downloader on his github. Just because he tried to explain them how stuff actually works.

Beware of such people, I won't tell you who I'm talking about, but I cannot prevent you from scrolling up.

wary tundra Jan 7, 2019, 11:35 AM

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The allow redistribution is in there to allow other units to host e.g. on armasync or armaholic etc. However as correctly identified it's Steam's own license terms, that any upoader must agree to before clicking, that assigns them full rights. Including to make derivatives. That's the kicker. We don't mind people hosting it. But not on Steam. Their excuse of max 30 mods is a poor one at best. If they spent some of that time researching how to host an arma's server rather than pseudo-law... It would help them

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 11:54 AM

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yeah, most license allow re-distribution, but once the hosting platform asks you to share IP rights with them, that is the moment you can't host because you do not own the IP right yourself

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Then, DMCA or report to Steam?

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 11:55 AM

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i said it numerous times

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 11:55 AM

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or ask BI to make it incompatible 😛

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 11:55 AM

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DMCA is the way to go

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asking anyone anything is pointless and waste of tim

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it is NOT bi's job to take care of 3rd party licenses

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 11:56 AM

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Hm, question then; Isn't DMCA only valid if your own license prohibits it?

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 11:56 AM

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prohibits what?

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 11:57 AM

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the upload to steam

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I'm not too sure when Valve wants you to file DMCA; when your license is violated or theirs?

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 11:58 AM

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every single license is violated unless it is open source

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in short, one cannot upload to steam unless he is the owner of the files

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 11:59 AM

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that I understand, but can the (actual) author file a DMCA takedown request based on a violation of Steam TOS?

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that was the only confusion

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 12:00 PM

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When you upload your content to Steam to make it available to other users and/or to Valve, you grant Valve and its affiliates the worldwide, non-exclusive, right to use, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, transmit, transcode, translate, broadcast, and otherwise communicate, and publicly display and publicly perform, your User Generated Content, and derivative works of your User Generated Content, for the purpose of the operation, distribution and promotion of the Steam service, Steam games or other Steam offerings. This license is granted to Valve as the content is uploaded on Steam for the entire duration of the intellectual property rights. It may be terminated if Valve is in breach of the license and has not cured such breach within fourteen (14) days from receiving notice from you sent to the attention of the Valve Legal Department at the applicable Valve address noted on this Privacy Policy page. The termination of said license does not affect the rights of any sub-licensees pursuant to any sub-license granted by Valve prior to termination of the license. Valve is the sole owner of the derivative works created by Valve from your Content, and is therefore entitled to grant licenses on these derivative works. If you use Valve cloud storage, you grant us a license to store your information as part of that service. Valve may place limits on the amount of storage you may use.

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brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 12:01 PM

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I know the passage, but can 3CB file a DMCA based only on Steam TOS violation, while their own license doesn't strictly prohibit uploading to Steam?

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 12:02 PM

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There is NO shared copyright outside the mod team. http://www.rhsmods.org/team

This upload is in direct violation with Steam Workshop Agreement (section 2 and section 6) and RHS End User Agreement - http://www.rhsmods.org/page/EULA```

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if you read all CC ND licenses

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it allows redistributions

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of course anyone (including 3CB) can file a DMCA for breaking BOTH Subscriber Agreement (TOS) and their own license

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 12:03 PM

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but their own license isn't violated with the CCND, or am I seeing that incorrectly?

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 12:05 PM

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their Intellectual Property rights is violated, which is legally worse

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 12:05 PM

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Okay, that I needed to know. Thanks 😄

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 12:05 PM

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in fact DMCA is about IP rights rather than license files anyways

brisk ember Jan 7, 2019, 12:06 PM

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Then I do wonder why DMCA isn't out (yet)

echo orchid Jan 7, 2019, 12:06 PM

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to be honest, i could easily file a DMCA based on RHS ND license anyways