#ip_rights_violations | ARMA | Page 48

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 11:12 AM

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yas

soft egret Nov 13, 2018, 11:12 AM

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~~He deleted the comment now 😄~~
Expected him to answer here: https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/9wb86a/arma_3_cyrus_93mm_marksman_rifle_remade_for/e9lyhnc/
But it's here: https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/9wb86a/arma_3_cyrus_93mm_marksman_rifle_remade_for/e9m08ml/?context=8&depth=9

keen trout Nov 13, 2018, 11:12 AM

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Wow

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 11:12 AM

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not on my end

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deepest is https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/9wb86a/arma_3_cyrus_93mm_marksman_rifle_remade_for/e9m08ml/ @soft egret 😄

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 11:29 AM

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he did CSAT gear too apparently: https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/9wmyk0/its_arma_oh_wait/

keen trout Nov 13, 2018, 11:38 AM

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seems like a nice fella

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he also has a nice thread from a few days ago titled "I'm modeling the Zafir 7.62 from scratch since Bohemia is kind of a dick regarding asset usage"

mortal needle Nov 13, 2018, 11:41 AM

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Prove it's falsified with legally valid methodology (in other words, your proof has to hold up in court) or hold your tongue. I have the email in my inbox, that's all the proof I need.
Its almost like he forget who would also have a copy of the email 😆

dull moon Nov 13, 2018, 12:01 PM

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@soft egret
i was comparing all hashes of ALDP, AiATP, CUP and australia
only the hashes of CUP and Australia match

pliant oar Nov 13, 2018, 12:12 PM

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pointless to waste time https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/9wb86a/arma_3_cyrus_93mm_marksman_rifle_remade_for/e9m2jh7/

r/arma - Arma 3 Cyrus 9.3mm Marksman Rifle Remade for Fallout 4

18 votes and 47 comments so far on Reddit

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read his reply before mine

dull moon Nov 13, 2018, 12:13 PM

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this case looks like the birth of a new meme

pliant oar Nov 13, 2018, 12:19 PM

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i gotta to love his proof video haha https://youtu.be/382ItK5Sr90?t=20
email date, nov 13, 6:27 am ... yep, so true ... considering he made the post 1 day ago on reddit

YouTube

Tiger White

nope.avi

▶ Play video

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so the approval (he claims to have from time before he made stuff) is received after he published about the stuff ... logic ftw lmaoroflxdddd

soft egret Nov 13, 2018, 12:22 PM

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6:27AM? The one from his screenshot was 8:38AM

pliant oar Nov 13, 2018, 12:22 PM

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he runs generator for this fake stuff 😉

dull moon Nov 13, 2018, 12:28 PM

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this fool just revealed his (fake?) emailadress to the public

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🤦

soft egret Nov 13, 2018, 12:29 PM

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Doesn't seem fake. He has Google+ friends on that ccount. Seems to be his real account

dull moon Nov 13, 2018, 12:32 PM

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you're right, active account.
if you look at this
https://youtu.be/382ItK5Sr90?t=13
you will see this

📎 usage.JPG

YouTube

Tiger White

nope.avi

▶ Play video

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never shit where you eat, never use your real account for fraud

delicate ember Nov 13, 2018, 12:33 PM

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Looks weird

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But in screen hours are different

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And idk if he rolls text

soft egret Nov 13, 2018, 12:34 PM

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And both dates are several hours after he made the reddit post and after he was done making his model

dull moon Nov 13, 2018, 12:34 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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fool

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i think he got a little worried after nightstalker called him out

delicate ember Nov 13, 2018, 12:35 PM

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But in screen is something like Sincerely looks wierd

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Like it got this word sppace under and then guy

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And in other its in 1 line

soft egret Nov 13, 2018, 12:40 PM

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First:

Hello, <blanked>

Thank you

Second:

Hello Tiger, 
Thank you

The , after hello is missing. And the empty line too. Also he blanked a much bigger space than he would've needed for "Tiger"
And at the bottom
Sincerely, newline.
and second mail has Sincerely, name

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Also in the picture he took 12 hours ago, the mail was 9 hours old. So 21 hours old right now.
In the video he JUST MADE the mail is 4 hours old.
Like cmon.. It's not so hard to atleast go through with the fake and lying. But these pure amateur screw ups.. Man.
He could've done a much better job, he doesn't even try

delicate ember Nov 13, 2018, 12:44 PM

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He is legit he knows how to travel in time he is working in BI and he asked himself for permission

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Problem solved

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Sarcasm

pliant oar Nov 13, 2018, 12:47 PM

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don't forget he asked himself in the future for the permission outside the workhours too 🤣

delicate ember Nov 13, 2018, 12:49 PM

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He will even Dmca himself and take it to court

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 12:52 PM

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His story changed again

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Says someone from BIS gave him permission without telling anyone else 😂

delicate ember Nov 13, 2018, 12:54 PM

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Yea you can change story if you can travel in time and do such magic

carmine folio Nov 13, 2018, 12:54 PM

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Dont think he cares about staying anonymous since he has videos of himself and his street on his youtube

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 12:55 PM

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Or he didn't even think it through that far

midnight crystal Nov 13, 2018, 12:56 PM

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next step is to delete himself from reddit and dissapear

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yoba

soft egret Nov 13, 2018, 12:56 PM

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His reddit account is only just about over a week old. Not hard to delete it again 😄

delicate ember Nov 13, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Yea and try that in next few months after eveybody forgets

mortal needle Nov 13, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Has he used the automatic response as his base fake email?

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In my emails the only one with the line in the centre was the automatic response

dull moon Nov 13, 2018, 1:01 PM

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i call the new meme:
#but_BI_gave_me_permission

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 1:06 PM

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post it 😛

delicate ember Nov 13, 2018, 1:15 PM

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Pleeeease dwarden i wana see him scared

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Just joke with sending case to court

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Or something

keen trout Nov 13, 2018, 1:16 PM

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joke? 😛

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 1:17 PM

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I don't think empty threats are appreciated

pliant oar Nov 13, 2018, 1:19 PM

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i really wanted to troll him bit but my colleagues have no such sense of humor

dull moon Nov 13, 2018, 1:20 PM

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With full force, that's the way to go on him. For real...

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 1:28 PM

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Well at least you can mention BIS can take the case to court

delicate ember Nov 13, 2018, 1:29 PM

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Do it

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Just do it

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Make a meme with full force as chris said

dull moon Nov 13, 2018, 1:34 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/9wmyk0/its_arma_oh_wait/?utm_source=reddit-android

r/arma - It's ArmA! Oh wait...

0 votes and 7 comments so far on Reddit

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He created the picture for the meme himself

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 2:05 PM

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The plot thickens

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All BI has to do is show that such email was never sent from their domain by an employee right?

keen trout Nov 13, 2018, 2:12 PM

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how do you show that you didn't send an email? 😛

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 2:12 PM

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doesn't the email server keep track of that stuff?

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how else you gonna prove that the email was a forgery

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not sure a date mismatch says 100% forgery

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Idunno

paper prawn Nov 13, 2018, 2:15 PM

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Presumably, assuming he modified another email received from BI they can show the original BI-RT #193254

soft egret Nov 13, 2018, 2:19 PM

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In court he would have to proove that the mail is legit. Which he can not.

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 2:42 PM

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How would one go about proving the email is legit (or not)? Won't he just use his "edited" email as evidence?

compact timber Nov 13, 2018, 2:44 PM

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in the video it shows @carmine foliohemia.net on the imgur link bisstudios.com 🤔

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 2:46 PM

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pffffffffffft 😂 "I will show the judge my email, which is legit"

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too bad some researchers will actually take a very close look at it

paper prawn Nov 13, 2018, 2:53 PM

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Actually, looking at a previous support thread I submitted, aren't the BI-RT message subject lines just used for the automated response from support? In addition, would the sender from BI not be a person rather than the generic support ID, e.g. "person name via RT" That's what I see in previous support threads. Finally the sincerely seems to be the auto response. All email from real people at BI that I have seen have ended with ```Best regards,

Name
Department or Bohemia Interactive```

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 2:53 PM

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Now it's "I'll post it everywhere I can. No one can stop me". Well, the jail time resulting from the court case can 😄

paper prawn Nov 13, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Looking at the image of the email it seems like the sincerely is followed on the next line with "Bohemia Interactive" (if you look at where the characters are just visible above the blackout blob). That is an automated response mail, not a mail from an employee

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 2:56 PM

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does this count as admitting to having no permission? https://i.imgur.com/vngLt7b.png

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what kind of automated response is that...

paper prawn Nov 13, 2018, 2:59 PM

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See this for an example of the automated response: https://imgur.com/5oItUaW

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He basically edited an automatic response mail 😦

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What a muppet!

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 3:01 PM

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can we get a post on Reddit with image of the real BI-RT <whatever code he used>?

paper prawn Nov 13, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Look at mine and see that he took the basic mail. Edited after the first sentence of the mail body and left the "One again... blah" line and the bottom

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 3:02 PM

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I know, but for the rest of the people in the thread to see

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publicly expose his forged evidence

paper prawn Nov 13, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Can BI post that under the GDPR?

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 3:03 PM

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hmm

paper prawn Nov 13, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Feel free to post mine though - I'm not a reddit user

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 3:03 PM

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well, the email I guess yes? With blurred name etc

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not black tape like he did

paper prawn Nov 13, 2018, 3:04 PM

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But you can now see how he just edited the automated response email from BI

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 3:06 PM

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I do, but I don't have to the real email to post for the public

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but didn't he admit to it basically after this? https://i.imgur.com/vngLt7b.png

wraith comet Nov 13, 2018, 3:08 PM

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Only his mom can stop him when she turns off the wlan router xD

clear pike Nov 13, 2018, 3:32 PM

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This is embarrassing.

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This is probably why aliens avoid us.

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No intelligent life.

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:p

soft egret Nov 13, 2018, 3:50 PM

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And you know what? I have tricks up my sleeve nobody else has ever thought of yet. You ever seen some ridiculous court case where the defendant gets away with some crazy shit? That's me. I've weaseled myself out of prison time before.

Wow. That's a very naiive 12 year old

wheat wave Nov 13, 2018, 3:52 PM

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decided to check out this channel thinking about the shitstorm that would be raging on, was not disappointed

signal hemlock Nov 13, 2018, 3:56 PM

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in one of his videos "Am going to make a better model than Bohemia and make them pay for it ha" I cant even with this guy am losing brain cells

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 3:57 PM

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next stage: https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/9wb86a/arma_3_cyrus_93mm_marksman_rifle_remade_for/e9m130j/ 😂

muted lantern Nov 13, 2018, 4:08 PM

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He's deleted his video from the Cyrus thread

olive sparrow Nov 13, 2018, 4:08 PM

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sheesh why even feed a troll like that. just leave him to dwarden. he's basking in this drama, soaking it in through his sticky teen pores.

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really pointless to contribute

muted lantern Nov 13, 2018, 4:09 PM

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oh and copy and pasted the same response in a lot of his posts, https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/9wb86a/arma_3_cyrus_93mm_marksman_rifle_remade_for/e9l23z7/, over and over again in the thread.

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That's the kind of person who really does need a court case as an example (has to be done some time, otherwise every bugger will think they can get away with it).

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 4:10 PM

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he's not a troll, he's a compulsively lying keyboard warrior

paper prawn Nov 13, 2018, 4:11 PM

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I am literally ROFL

muted lantern Nov 13, 2018, 4:11 PM

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Regardless of one or the other, taking legal action against someone would probably do BI some good.

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He's so tragic that it's extremely humorous.

cinder ridge Nov 13, 2018, 4:15 PM

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wow that guy is something else...

keen trout Nov 13, 2018, 4:17 PM

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as I mentioned earlier, check his previous posts, he even admits that BI didn't allow him to edit weapons and use for other games

delicate ember Nov 13, 2018, 4:38 PM

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I hope BI will take this to court then he could be in "If I say I live in say, Wellington, Ohio, I might actually live in the next town over" depends if there is a prison

soft egret Nov 13, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Lul the "ArmaWARcore" guy disputed my DMCA

burnt oak Nov 13, 2018, 5:20 PM

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Should i file one as well as he as some stuff from me uploaded as well?

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 5:20 PM

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go for it

soft egret Nov 13, 2018, 5:26 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1554226760&searchtext= here this one
Would be good. Then maybe I don't need to argue with steam that much if they see DMCA's coming in from everywhere

clear pike Nov 13, 2018, 5:34 PM

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@soft egret there's a video on his YouTube and from what I can tell - on a mobile screen - from his hand, this man is probably in his 20s. Which is probably fucking worse and even sadder lmao.

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Either way hopefully he gets his ego checked and some legal action is thrown his way, maybe.

heady stump Nov 13, 2018, 5:36 PM

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I applaud simply for the fact that you can tell his age by his hand agoogleclapping

clear pike Nov 13, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Idk it looked hairy.

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😛

midnight vine Nov 13, 2018, 5:38 PM

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Hands are as good an identifier as fingerprints... still that's off topic. Hope he gets taken down a level by someone in a position to.

heady stump Nov 13, 2018, 5:38 PM

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:D

carmine folio Nov 13, 2018, 6:06 PM

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Well he has videos of himself and videos showing where he lives so don't expect to much out of this bright one

willow star Nov 13, 2018, 6:29 PM

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there's a a bunch of Fallout "Modders" who are fucking pissed at BI and RHS because they weren't allowed to use their assets

soft egret Nov 13, 2018, 6:29 PM

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Is Fallout the new Garrys mod?

heady stump Nov 13, 2018, 6:30 PM

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Yes

fossil basalt Nov 13, 2018, 6:45 PM

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...and lets bring it back in on topic please.

brisk ember Nov 13, 2018, 7:17 PM

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I wonder what puny arguments they have to be pissed

fossil basalt Nov 13, 2018, 7:22 PM

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erma gherd, I can't steal

red atlas Nov 13, 2018, 9:43 PM

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Man...this guy PepeLaugh

dull moon Nov 13, 2018, 11:09 PM

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any idea why my DMCA got removed?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1557080077

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@pliant oar

pliant oar Nov 14, 2018, 4:11 AM

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no, Valve isn't sharing that info with us

soft egret Nov 14, 2018, 8:00 AM

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Btw the reddit guy deleted all his comments. Kinda sad loosing that history.
Looking on the workshop start page today: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1561397295 HM. A 4GB Life pack.. What are the chances?
Yes! You're right! The chances are 100%
HAFM, EWK Cigs(not allowed to be used in "life" at all) and TFAR of course. 👏

faint nacelle Nov 14, 2018, 9:57 AM

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@soft egret do you happen to know if those packs differ from each other at all or do they all upload the same stuff?

soft egret Nov 14, 2018, 9:59 AM

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life packs in general?
Most of them differ. There are just some that are the exact same because people copy from eachother

faint nacelle Nov 14, 2018, 10:06 AM

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yeah thats what I was wondering if they all use the same pack they buy or something xD

wheat wave Nov 14, 2018, 11:12 AM

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i should check for all my standalone mods and go to town on the workshop

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but urgh...

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compiling hundreds of dmca takedowns is not something im looking forward to

brisk ember Nov 14, 2018, 2:14 PM

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that's exactly what they hope for 😛

rapid wagon Nov 14, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Yup, even had to argue with a reuploader and their point was "if the they're not filling DMCAs they dont care"

midnight crystal Nov 15, 2018, 12:24 AM

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in 2077 a bot patrols the steam workshop and takes down unallowed uploads automatically

dull moon Nov 15, 2018, 12:26 AM

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in 2078 there will be a master AI sending out armed skydrones to ip violators and reuploaders. if one drone get's in trouble, other drones will rush to aid since they are all connected. we will call it SKYNET

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how... it... begins...

brisk ember Nov 15, 2018, 6:52 AM

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if that's how it happens, it should happen 😛

soft egret Nov 15, 2018, 8:13 AM

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Screenshot from Repentz Stream: https://gyazo.com/9a9bbbc4ac5b4566942dc12c50d16736
Does anyone still have the slightest belief that he might actually make something legit this time around?
Sorry to smash your last straw of hope

Gyazo

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Who has armored vehicles inside obfuscated PBO's besides 3CB? You guys should be aware of this stuff going on.
Repentz is currently working on the next psisyn.com server.

burnt oak Nov 15, 2018, 8:27 AM

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The titus mod maybe?

stoic beacon Nov 15, 2018, 8:28 AM

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Or some other stolen stuff from a life server?

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thiefception

soft egret Nov 15, 2018, 8:30 AM

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Oh it says "It's the armed escallade and the trackhawk" No idea what that's supposed to be

stoic beacon Nov 15, 2018, 8:33 AM

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Escalade is a regular civilian car, not sure if it was Chevy.

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So it's probably another life server they are stealing from

soft egret Nov 15, 2018, 8:35 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlBcXQk4CcA apparently this is the trackhawk? Repentz is trying to steal models from Shounka?

stoic beacon Nov 15, 2018, 8:37 AM

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Isn't shounka's stuff stolen as well?

soft egret Nov 15, 2018, 8:38 AM

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mostly yeah

burnt oak Nov 15, 2018, 8:42 AM

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life servers were a mistake facepalm

brisk ember Nov 15, 2018, 8:44 AM

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Non-military RP was a mistake 😛

ionic flame Nov 15, 2018, 10:36 AM

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You seem obsessed with that guy lol

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kinda wierd but you know

dusk dew Nov 15, 2018, 11:20 AM

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You only pop up when he's mentioned, kinda weird but you know

fossil basalt Nov 15, 2018, 11:21 AM

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You’re not the only one who’s noticed it.

dull moon Nov 15, 2018, 12:20 PM

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🤔

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I wonder why tho

brisk ember Nov 15, 2018, 1:57 PM

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either him or his lover

soft egret Nov 15, 2018, 3:22 PM

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That guy with the fallout ports of Arma stuff. All his youtube videos and uploads of his mod have been deleted. All his reddit comments are gone too.
So much to "you can't do anything to me, I have a lawyer"

brisk ember Nov 15, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Was it deleted or did he delete it himself?

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Probably scared shitless because BI actually send out a message to him? :P

carmine folio Nov 15, 2018, 4:42 PM

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If he did actually get a lawyer then I suspect this was the first piece of advice he would have received - burn your alias you idiot!

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showing your Gmail account with a Google+ account activated on it maybe wasn`t such a good idea after all..........

brisk ember Nov 15, 2018, 5:42 PM

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or just track down the receiver of the automated response

muted lantern Nov 15, 2018, 10:55 PM

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Oh well, someone may have forgotten to close the tabs where he posted a lot of the stuff on Reddit (before he deleted it) and decided to take screenshots. No biggy!

echo orchid Nov 16, 2018, 5:42 PM

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@real socket
https://twitter.com/Arma3official/status/1063438038104199170
the bloke is actually using DayZ SA content that is ripped and ported to ArmA. Not really sure it is cool to tweet that, all things considered...

Arma 3 (@Arma3official)

#CommunitySpotlight #001! This week we're looking at a stunning #Arma3 screenshot titled "Hillside Views"
(credits: /u/TheSenDest source: reddit)

soft egret Nov 16, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Backpack on the right is apprently from BF4

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http://www.respawnless.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/bf4-recon-c4.jpg Yep

echo orchid Nov 16, 2018, 5:47 PM

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😄

soft egret Nov 16, 2018, 5:49 PM

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This is even mentioned in the reddit post that Homesick commented on

echo orchid Nov 16, 2018, 5:49 PM

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good grief, it's a 2nd time when official twitter retweets screens of arma and ripped content

fossil basalt Nov 16, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Sometimes I do think that the devs are so focused on other things that they are (unintentionally) oblivious to some of the drama unfolding in IP theft land.

heady stump Nov 16, 2018, 5:49 PM

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02facepalm

brisk ember Nov 16, 2018, 5:50 PM

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🤔

heady stump Nov 16, 2018, 5:50 PM

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Eh. I mean, have any of them played BF4? They'd know as soon as they looked at the screen

echo orchid Nov 16, 2018, 5:50 PM

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i have played a lot

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and i still cannot point all meshes directly towards BF4

narrow topaz Nov 16, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Admittedly, it's probably too much effort to go into thesis-level of research on everything you want to retweet.

echo orchid Nov 16, 2018, 5:51 PM

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human mistake, most likely oblivious to the amount of stolen content is used as private mods

soft egret Nov 16, 2018, 5:51 PM

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Everyone makes mistakes yeah. As long as it's taken down once someone informs the poster about it. It's fine

heady stump Nov 16, 2018, 5:52 PM

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MISTAKES? Burn them at the stake. /s

echo orchid Nov 16, 2018, 5:52 PM

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i was actually talking about the person who re-tweeted that image

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you cannot steal stuff by mistake

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VSM included btw

fossil basalt Nov 16, 2018, 5:52 PM

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I’ve not played any Battlefield game since BF 1942

echo orchid Nov 16, 2018, 5:54 PM

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you haven't lost a lot

fossil basalt Nov 16, 2018, 5:54 PM

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I think it’s an honest error on Bohemia’s part, but it does highlight the amount of stolen content out there.

echo orchid Nov 16, 2018, 5:55 PM

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@real socket , do press enter mate 😄

brisk ember Nov 16, 2018, 5:55 PM

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backpack looks way too sophisticated to appear by a random legit modder 😛

fossil basalt Nov 16, 2018, 5:56 PM

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This is where a lock feature would be nice, to pause all convos until his reply is finished 😉

heady stump Nov 16, 2018, 5:56 PM

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"Priority speaker" ?

brisk ember Nov 16, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Slow Mode with premium queue

heady stump Nov 16, 2018, 5:57 PM

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make money where you can nightstalker, have enough money for that new arma life cash money server. /s

brisk ember Nov 16, 2018, 5:57 PM

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I ain't coming anywhere near A3 Life

real socket Nov 16, 2018, 5:57 PM

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Alright. I have answered this quite alot today. In a world where there is several hundreds, even thousands of modpacks that gives you gear, and alot of it looks the same it is quite hard for a normal person to know wether or not it is "stolen content" or not. We went through all the information we could find on the subject, prior to releasing the twitter post. It was posted by me, I made the post as it is the first of several posts that will be posted on a weekly basis. I do understand that most of you have concerns about modpacks in it being stolen content, and I will definitely look into it again when I'm back at the office. I do however take full responsibility for the post, and will look into it on monday.

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Mistakes might have been made, but atleast we know what to look for in the future.

brisk ember Nov 16, 2018, 5:59 PM

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hehe let people here proof-read a tweet with gear screenshots 😛

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100% stolen-content free then

echo orchid Nov 16, 2018, 6:00 PM

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he said "normal person", a lot here including and especially @soft egret do not fit in that bucket

soft egret Nov 16, 2018, 6:00 PM

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pfft

narrow topaz Nov 16, 2018, 6:00 PM

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I just assumed Dedmen was one of the coming sarcastic robot overlords

brisk ember Nov 16, 2018, 6:01 PM

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He's like an Anti-virus

real socket Nov 16, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Thank you for sharing your opinion with me though! Will be taken into consideration going forward 😃

echo orchid Nov 16, 2018, 6:02 PM

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cheers for the decent reply

fossil basalt Nov 16, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Very welcome Rob.
I’ll speak to you tomorrow around 21:00ish 😉

real socket Nov 16, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Will do! 😃

amber eagle Nov 16, 2018, 6:29 PM

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Wait...what? VSM?

stoic beacon Nov 16, 2018, 6:33 PM

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Afaik VSM had ripped stuff in their mod, they said they didn't know it was ripped.
If I'm wrong feel free to correct me

ebon sand Nov 16, 2018, 6:38 PM

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Nah, they knew. They even originally credited the the model ripping website where it explicitly stated the models were ripped from BF4... That's why VSM was banned in the end

fossil basalt Nov 16, 2018, 6:59 PM

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VSM was caught red handed.

clear pike Nov 16, 2018, 7:07 PM

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If only we could have a publisher thing that requires the uploader to have the biprivatekey or whatever that corresponds with the bikey to upload it.

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RIP mods using multiple bikeys though

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~~but a lot of those are "modpacks" afaik~~

brisk ember Nov 16, 2018, 7:11 PM

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wait, banned?

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I know he was discredited, but not banned 🤔

fossil basalt Nov 16, 2018, 7:29 PM

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Banned

echo orchid Nov 16, 2018, 7:48 PM

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ahh lol, the backpack on the left is ripped from RHS and edited as there are no radios attached to any version of it

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📎 107410_20181116215554_1.png

soft egret Nov 16, 2018, 7:57 PM

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I recognized the RHS backpack. But not the edit

echo orchid Nov 16, 2018, 7:58 PM

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so did i, but i someone else from RHS spotted it

royal charm Nov 16, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Well I got an archive of RHS screenshots if BI ever needs to tweet 'em 😂 but yeah, it's really really hard for someone to notice ripped content unless they are specifically looking for it, or have first hand knowledge from the real producers team.

merry kestrel Nov 16, 2018, 9:26 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1562675299&searchtext= reupload of Winter Chernarus

dull moon Nov 16, 2018, 9:31 PM

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Nothing to do other than inform the creator

fossil basalt Nov 16, 2018, 10:12 PM

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Actually, you could click the "REPORT" button and report it as being a re-upload. Be detailed and it will be marked incompatible.

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(Hint: It looks like a flag)

glass yacht Nov 18, 2018, 5:21 AM

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weird question and also probably wrong channel but

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how could I stop armaholic from automatically uploading my mods?

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like I tried contacting the site admin n nothing happened lmao

signal hemlock Nov 18, 2018, 6:58 AM

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@glass yacht Had the same happen with my mods, and they wouldn't take them down

glass yacht Nov 18, 2018, 6:59 AM

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yeah it's just. hmm

stoic beacon Nov 18, 2018, 9:32 AM

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I never had any issues contacting them.
They answered pretty fast and removed my content / edited the download page.
Have you contacted Foxhound directly? Either on Armaholic or BI Forums

brisk ember Nov 18, 2018, 5:24 PM

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Isn't it a tad bit weird they already upload your stuff there without asking?

cinder ridge Nov 18, 2018, 6:50 PM

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its common practice as far as I'm aware, they didnt ask me either if I'm alright with it

soft egret Nov 18, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Yep. I've seen someone post his mod on BIF. with a big bold allcaps "It's not allowed to upload this to armaholic" note at the bottom. And right below that note is foxhounds post that his addon is now available on armaholic

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Like.. You have to re-check that you are not actually in a episode of americas most retarded humans

merry kestrel Nov 18, 2018, 7:11 PM

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I mean, isnt foxhound practically doing the same thing as what is being done on the Steam Workshop? upload first and ask permission later(or never in most cases on SW)?

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atleast he says in the thread he has done so, but still

soft egret Nov 18, 2018, 7:12 PM

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yeah

merry kestrel Nov 18, 2018, 7:14 PM

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I am working on a mod, and I am worried that if I ever release on BIF, that it would be taken by others

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I want to release it publically, but only on BIF at most

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and consider a steam workshop later down the line

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but I am still debating things in that regard

soft egret Nov 18, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Others will 100% upload to workshop if your mod is any good

merry kestrel Nov 18, 2018, 7:16 PM

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its really only retextures, that add factions

soft egret Nov 18, 2018, 7:16 PM

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So the question is. Are you willing to release your mod, or will you put up with DMCA'ing everyone who reuploads it.
Or third choice, ignore everything that's going on

merry kestrel Nov 18, 2018, 7:16 PM

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yea, it really only comes down to those options

faint nacelle Nov 18, 2018, 7:17 PM

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unfortunately

cinder ridge Nov 18, 2018, 7:37 PM

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Even if you dont want to upload it to the SW I would say upload it anyway but keep it set to private, should make takedowns of reuploads easier since you can easily show that you are the first that uploaded it (cause you're the creator).

royal charm Nov 18, 2018, 7:42 PM

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My problem with DMCA is that you need a return address. I've had my phone number leak to some milsim units before, that was fun - I'd rather not leak anything else lmfao

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So the option is to either:

Pay for a PO Box
Pay for a DMCA service that charges $100/DMCA

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either way, money lost simply for protecting content.

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You can sign DMCA's with an alias, but you can't sign without a real address, which is where most internet DMCA's fall through - not many people want to open themselves up to the harassment.

glass yacht Nov 18, 2018, 7:51 PM

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yeah tho like, armaholic automatically reuploading stuff is just super fishy tbh

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i DID manage to contact them once and i did get one of my mods in like, control under my own account there

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but i couldn't figure out at all how to update it or take it down so it's still up in an inferior state to the workshop version

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meaning when i'm gonna upload my other mod that requires it, and it'll inevitably require my first mod

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armaholic is gonna reupload the other mod, link to and say it's dependent on my first mod, as it should be, but the first mod won't have the assets necessary for the other mod to work, because the version on their site is outdated and i can't figure out at all how to update it

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it's just confusing and like, something one shouldn't have to bother with

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just armaholic reuploading stuff

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plus the second time i tried contacting the site, no reply at all

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when i did contact them tho, foxhound replied and he was kind of a jerk at first

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like just totally passive aggressive

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my first message was like "okay so hey i made this mod, i don't really like your website, since i prefer steam as a platform, here's a few reasons why i didn't upload it here to begin with. i don't wanna sound like im about to sue you or anything though"

soft egret Nov 18, 2018, 8:04 PM

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Passive aggressive? you mean like me?

glass yacht Nov 18, 2018, 8:04 PM

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and then he's like "if you want us to unlist it from our site, that's fine. but if you want it to stop automatically being uploaded, talk to playwithsix. we get our stuff from there."

soft egret Nov 18, 2018, 8:05 PM

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Yeah he was like that too when I last dealed with him. When that guy uploaded his mission replicating the las vegas shooting and foxhound didn't want to take it down cuz free speech

glass yacht Nov 18, 2018, 8:05 PM

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like he apologized for coming off in a rude way, and said it was cause a lot's going on, so it's understandable, but still!!

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oh for gods sake

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that's stupid

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it's a damn video game, not some entire government

soft egret Nov 18, 2018, 8:06 PM

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Plus that mission actually broke Arma EULA.

glass yacht Nov 18, 2018, 8:06 PM

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using free speech as an excuse, it doesn't bar you from someone having an opinion of you lmao

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yeah i would imagine

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ugh

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armaholic is like such a needless headache for me

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at this point i don't really care tbh, since by default any mod of mine uploaded there is just inferior

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it's just that he thinks its totally alright to just reupload mods from the workshop

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armaholic works when steam doesn't, that's the only upside i could think of, personally

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and steam works 99% of the time in my experience

merry kestrel Nov 18, 2018, 8:20 PM

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it also doesnt help that they are starting to lock certain things behind subsciption, like "Sort by Date"

soft egret Nov 18, 2018, 8:21 PM

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making money with the mods they illegally uploaded. GG

merry kestrel Nov 18, 2018, 8:22 PM

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thing is, technically you can still access the mods without an account or subscription, its just easier to find what you are looking for with a subscription

glass yacht Nov 18, 2018, 8:22 PM

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🗡 🗡 🗡 🗡

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jfc

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you pay for the convenience that literally every other modding website has

merry kestrel Nov 18, 2018, 8:22 PM

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yup

glass yacht Nov 18, 2018, 8:23 PM

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i didn't know stuff like that was paywalled holy shit

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man i'm just gonna add in the description to my next mod, like

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"if u upload this to armaholic then u a stupid"

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it's like doing 👌

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but it's hidden and when you see it you're just like ugh

delicate ember Nov 18, 2018, 10:05 PM

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I wonder why steam can't split uploader / author like uploader: stealinshit321 author: Cup Team (link to website? Or steam account)

faint nacelle Nov 18, 2018, 10:21 PM

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why would it need?

narrow topaz Nov 18, 2018, 10:26 PM

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It doesn't. Nobody but the author is permitted to upload to the workshop.

runic gulch Nov 18, 2018, 11:52 PM

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I think I've found some ripped assets in a mod for another game.

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Men Of War Assault Squad 1

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and the Cold War mod

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Right now me and a friend have a positive that old SLA Helmets were ripped and I'm also sure a few vehicles are ripped (The M1128 MGS and Mortar Carrier)

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As well as the technical pickup

faint nacelle Nov 19, 2018, 12:10 AM

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send the info into the email in the channel description and BI will take care of it

runic gulch Nov 19, 2018, 12:10 AM

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I will

soft egret Nov 19, 2018, 5:36 PM

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@scenic nymph I think you are in need of one of my awesome analogies.
There are serial killers that have been killing for years and are still not in prison. That means it's fine and totally not illegal that they kill people right? because if it would be, they'd be in prison right now. Right?

Maybe this helps you understand?

stoic beacon Nov 19, 2018, 5:39 PM

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RIP https://i.imgur.com/9UpMQZS.png

glass yacht Nov 19, 2018, 6:17 PM

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ughhhhh

paper prawn Nov 19, 2018, 6:31 PM

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Ouch

dull moon Nov 19, 2018, 7:11 PM

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not entirely sure where to put this, but i think this channel fits the most
https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/9yj9f6/arma_3_life_custom_map_for_sale/

r/arma - Arma 3 Life Custom Map (For Sale)

0 votes and 3 comments so far on Reddit

keen trout Nov 19, 2018, 7:14 PM

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he should take you up on the #350, that's a great deal!

kind sand Nov 19, 2018, 7:24 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/106442961197236224/438124620873465856/unknown.png

dull moon Nov 19, 2018, 7:27 PM

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😄

kind sand Nov 19, 2018, 7:32 PM

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@dull moon
I'll never tire of using that.

soft egret Nov 19, 2018, 7:38 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Arma3Life/comments/9y5rw0/custom_life_map_for_sale/ @pliant oar violating Arma 3 tools license
His steam account is linked

royal charm Nov 19, 2018, 8:06 PM

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@soft egret if that's the bar for this channel, read the "Community Job Offers & Hires" A3 Steam subforum. You'll have plenty of stuff to report 😂

mint edge Nov 20, 2018, 12:29 AM

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he didnt even add rotation to any of the trees hnnnnnng

errant drum Nov 20, 2018, 3:58 AM

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@dull moon I am buying Takistan, how much?

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😂

delicate ember Nov 20, 2018, 8:45 AM

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I wana buy Seattle map

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I wonder how long is ownership protection? 12 years after death or something?

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Idk how to say it in English

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 8:53 AM

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0 protection

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and the seller is violating the arma 3 tools license

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He cannot sell it to you. He can only give it away for free

carmine folio Nov 20, 2018, 9:11 AM

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Guess who decided he still wants to sell his map via Steam Discussions: https://steamcommunity.com/app/107410/discussions/0/3020122487789331394/

signal hemlock Nov 20, 2018, 9:21 AM

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if there is another mod for a game using the arma 3 voices and theme is that a ip violation?

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 9:24 AM

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yes

signal hemlock Nov 20, 2018, 9:33 AM

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well this mod for call to arms uses the arma voices and theme https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=742470440

"Arma3 Voices for all factions (WIP)"

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 9:35 AM

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Please email to address in channel description infringements@bistudio.com

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 10:14 AM

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is also based on stuartisland

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class CfgPatches{
    class stuartisland{units[]={"stuartisland"};
    weapons[]={};
    requiredVersion=1.0;
    requiredaddons[]={"A3_UI_F","A3_Map_Stratis"};
    version="02/02/2015";
    fileName="KingsIsland.pbo";
    author="Max King";
    };
    };
    class CfgWorlds{class CAWorld;
    class Stratis:CAWorld{
        class Grid;
        class DefaultClutter;
        };
        class stuartisland:Stratis{

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 10:16 AM

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@shell creek ^

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 10:17 AM

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has full source if anyone wants to take a look, he sold it to a friend of mine, obfuscated with obfusqf without any binarisation, so full source.

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uses mainly stolen stuff anyway

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nopixel, cg, a3l

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 10:19 AM

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wait. Nopixel is cars isn't it? Why do you need cars for a map?

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 10:19 AM

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buildings too

shell creek Nov 20, 2018, 10:38 AM

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Stuart Island’s source is licensed under the MIT License

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 5:18 PM

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[17:14]
Dusty:
    Hey, what's going on with TiredGiraffe or RichGalaxy, I seen you comented on his profile. I bought a map from him now he is MIA lol

[17:14]
twitch.tv/Its_Leigham:
    he changed his name
    hes breaking arma 3 tos selling the map (which is made with arma 3 tools)

[17:16]
Dusty:=
    Yikes he's ignoring me and the map does not pack throught pboproject,  I don't know what to do now :(

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referencing the guy whos selling the map

dull moon Nov 20, 2018, 5:21 PM

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😂

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as expected

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 5:21 PM

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🤣

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Can you get a screenshot of proof that he bought it or that the bad guy sold it?
Maybe Dwarden needs proof of EULA violation?
Also can't he get the money back via paypal? (I know he can't technically. But could atleast try. Maybe that guy is an idiot)

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 5:27 PM

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made him pay F&F

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which could get him in shit with paypal too

faint nacelle Nov 20, 2018, 5:28 PM

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why could he not get the money back via paypal?

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 5:29 PM

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digital goods are not protected

faint nacelle Nov 20, 2018, 5:29 PM

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ah

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but it could count as fraud

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 5:29 PM

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Had that when I sold my hack. The guy got banned and tried to backcharge, paypal denied because digital/immaterial good

dull moon Nov 20, 2018, 5:29 PM

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paypal was used for purchasing an illegal object maybe?

faint nacelle Nov 20, 2018, 5:29 PM

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in any case paypal was not used

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so that money is gone

dull moon Nov 20, 2018, 5:29 PM

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oh

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 5:30 PM

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and your not supposed to use paypal f&f for selling stuff

faint nacelle Nov 20, 2018, 5:30 PM

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paypal f&f?

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 5:30 PM

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so im guessing if you made a call to paypal could get it sorted easily

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 5:30 PM

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friend to friend

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Friends & Family

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 5:30 PM

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That guy probably would want to do that.. To get the money back he was scammed for

faint nacelle Nov 20, 2018, 5:30 PM

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aaa so paypal was used, sorry

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 5:31 PM

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im getting the guy to get a screenshot of the conversation

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he didn't even bother renaming the map xD

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he just changed the pboprefix

faint nacelle Nov 20, 2018, 5:32 PM

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ah f&f can be disputed it seems

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 5:35 PM

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https://pastebin.com/b9edeCrb

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i just told him to phone paypal, more then likely he will get it sorted on the phone without waiting.

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 5:47 PM

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text isn't that good evidence. Can you get a screenshot? I'll drop a message to monetization department

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 5:51 PM

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just asked him to get a screenshot

royal charm Nov 20, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Screenshots aren't really proof either tho tbh

dull moon Nov 20, 2018, 5:53 PM

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chances are high that tis dude used stolen assets (CUP, ect) to create this map. if that's the case it will be a double lose situation voe everybody who bought it and uploads it to steam

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😄

royal charm Nov 20, 2018, 5:53 PM

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I can doctor a screenshot to look like someone said something they didnt in about 2 minutes in about MS Paint 😂 which is why generally I ask for evidence to be via screenshare

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 5:54 PM

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https://gyazo.com/bd90350fbf65062cd51bc2a28ba813e2

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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A screenshot of him selling the map. Plus the notice on his steam profile that he's selling the map. Plus posts on steam forums that he's selling the map. Plus reddit posts of him selling the map.
I'd say the chance that the screenshot could've been faked is not that significant

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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he uses the weird version of cup the minified version

faint nacelle Nov 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Discord can be asked to verify the message ids perhaps if necessary?

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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Steam not discord

faint nacelle Nov 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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oh messaging were in there

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well steam then

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they keep records

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 5:56 PM

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he has threatened to leak my stuff now xD

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i just said, im not the one breaking a3tools license.

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 6:00 PM

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Mail is out. Directly via red phone

blissful arch Nov 20, 2018, 6:02 PM

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You can also purchase the map for your server. This map is bohemia protected. Contact: http://steamcommunity.com/id/TiredGiraffe"

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Find that slightly funny.

soft egret Nov 20, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Well.. Yeah.. It kinda is.
But not in his favour

potent onyx Nov 20, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Hello quick question, who hands out the various liscences (if anyone)

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or can mods simply claim they are liscencesd under whatever they want

fervent needle Nov 20, 2018, 10:27 PM

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You release your mod under a license, there are many options available

fossil basalt Nov 20, 2018, 10:47 PM

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But, be very aware, if you “claim” a particular license for something that is licensed otherwise, it will be the end of your “Arma career”.

potent onyx Nov 20, 2018, 10:53 PM

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The group who i suspect is doing it has had no arma career for a while and

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thats why i asked

fossil basalt Nov 20, 2018, 11:14 PM

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They will then find themselves and “their” mod banned.

blissful arch Nov 21, 2018, 8:18 AM

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Is someone reselling scripts against anything ?

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there is a turkish site reselling scripts from a few places

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 8:20 AM

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Selling scripts where no BI tools where involved is ok-ish (in txt form for example). As soon as it is a pbo it us prohibited

blissful arch Nov 21, 2018, 8:21 AM

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i mean reselling

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 8:22 AM

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Reselling scripts from others? Without autor permission, no

undone pier Nov 21, 2018, 10:29 AM

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not entirely correct - some licenses allow that

blissful arch Nov 21, 2018, 10:45 AM

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well I didn't give them permission for mine xD

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 10:57 AM

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RH, HAFM, NIArms and some others here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1568181335

echo orchid Nov 21, 2018, 11:46 AM

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📎 image0.jpg

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i was like - is that really you dawn?

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 2:17 PM

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GG. Some crap Arma group advertises in TFAR workshop comments.
Turns out they have a TFAR reupload in the workshop items of their group leader.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1557713024 Sahrani reupload
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1509756431 TFAR 1.0 packed as pbo's AND unpacked?! WTF?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1508184110 UK3CB BAF equipment (with ACRE compats although they are using TFAR? WTF?)
@sweet minnow
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1508155742 3CB Units

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 2:36 PM

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looks like they skipped the IQ test for 7thIB

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 2:37 PM

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@soft egret
Thx, will check later

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 2:39 PM

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Their own code of conduct have a mature attitude
Be able to use Arma 3 Sync to install and update mods.
***NOT BE AN ARSEHOLE***

So.. while your own code of conduct says that. You are instead a immature arsehole who is not using arma3sync but instead reuploading stuff to workshop? .. Well. Good role model as a group leader.

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Tja...

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 2:40 PM

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I wouldn't dive in it too deep. You stare too long at idiocy, idiocy will stare back at you

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 2:40 PM

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I have some free time while waiting for my food to get ready okey! let me look at idiots

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Just DMCA and done 😛

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 2:43 PM

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Wasn't there a movie called “staring at goats“?
How about a remake “staring at idiots“ feat. Dedmen
😄

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 2:44 PM

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hahaha yea I watched that movie

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bit like Pulp Fiction: no real story behind it 😛

steady adder Nov 21, 2018, 2:58 PM

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@soft egret, 7thIB also advertised on all our workshops comments too. Unbelievable.

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 2:58 PM

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can't you delete it?

fossil basalt Nov 21, 2018, 2:59 PM

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I wouldn't dive in it too deep. You stare too long at idiocy, idiocy will stare back at you Reminds me of Iron Maiden's "Still Life"

steady adder Nov 21, 2018, 2:59 PM

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I asked lifetap to delete them as he has the Steam account keys, but that was a while ago, so not sure.

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Are they really advertising on all the workshop items they ripped off?

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 3:01 PM

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yeap

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reported all of your links btw

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 3:13 PM

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any insight on how the eu article 13 could/would affect arma modding and distribution via platforms like the steam workshop?
@pliant oar

pliant oar Nov 21, 2018, 3:15 PM

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STEAM workshop is Valve platform so no idea, most likely yes, expect more dumb AI deployed everywhere

carmine folio Nov 21, 2018, 3:21 PM

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@soft egret ARMA-Life is planned to release shortly, they've stole the metropolis map, a bunch of assets from other communities etc and claiming them as their own (Changing the picture in VR etc) Do you have any plans re TFR for them?

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 3:24 PM

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I know what they did

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BI knows too

carmine folio Nov 21, 2018, 3:55 PM

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https://gyazo.com/88ee3ff43b66a2cce0fa19be2907ee59

Looks like Repenz is back in the game.

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 3:55 PM

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TFAR and EBO

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🤦

faint nacelle Nov 21, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Id guess theyll still churn up a bunch of cash before they get shutdown

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 3:59 PM

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they already got shutdown

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atleast their monetization approval (that BI gave them, weeks before they planned to go live, back when they had 0 things to show for them) has already been revoked

narrow topaz Nov 21, 2018, 4:23 PM

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Wait, they’ve ever cared about approval

stoic beacon Nov 21, 2018, 5:45 PM

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Someone has a link for me to look in the repo?

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 5:49 PM

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arma life? yeah. pm

heady stump Nov 21, 2018, 6:53 PM

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@dull moon The men who stare at goats. Totally different.

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 6:54 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

heady stump Nov 21, 2018, 6:54 PM

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I mean. Unless you have psychedelic powers?

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 6:54 PM

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shhh... don't tell anyone

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😉

heady stump Nov 21, 2018, 6:54 PM

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yes

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 8:44 PM

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Aaaand PsiSyn has posted a video showing that he's behind that new Life server by Repentz. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

heady stump Nov 21, 2018, 8:44 PM

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Of course.

faint nacelle Nov 21, 2018, 8:45 PM

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they continue making a payday out of that scam since theres no punishments dealt out

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 8:45 PM

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Seems like ripped GTA things too

faint nacelle Nov 21, 2018, 8:45 PM

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rockstar might be interested in that

river spear Nov 21, 2018, 8:46 PM

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i believe the bridge at 4:20 is out of gta 4

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yeah its the bridge model from gta 4

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Yeah https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Broker_Bridge

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 8:50 PM

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why do people think they can get away with that shit...

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they give mod making a bad name

heady stump Nov 21, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Well, it's PsiSyn. So what do you expect?

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 8:51 PM

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the youtuber?

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Psisyndicate

heady stump Nov 21, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Yep. https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/514903874017165352

faint nacelle Nov 21, 2018, 8:51 PM

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also known for sketcy lifemod schemes

river spear Nov 21, 2018, 8:52 PM

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to be fair, i believe the map was made by someone else or it has already been around for a while

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but regardless its blatently ripped content

heady stump Nov 21, 2018, 8:52 PM

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Here is the video in question: https://youtu.be/c5kJGlogJR4

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"We aren't monetizing it, so it's not an issue".

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 8:56 PM

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"we aren't monetizing it" but they requested and also got monetization approval in the past.. Until I reported them.

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 8:57 PM

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oh my god his laugh

heady stump Nov 21, 2018, 8:58 PM

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it's forced for sure.

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 8:58 PM

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did I just see KA weapons in there?

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 8:59 PM

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most likely

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 8:59 PM

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with permission or nah?

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 8:59 PM

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KA doesn't care. Nor does he care about the stuff he stole by himself

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They 100% didn't ask for permission for everything. They didn't ask me which is why they got reported and their monetization approval revoked.

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 9:01 PM

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no DMCA for their edit of TFAR?

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 9:01 PM

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"new tunnel system"
i wonder who made the original tunnel models...

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🤔

brisk ember Nov 21, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Also CUP prison?

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 9:01 PM

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I think they are following APL license so no reason to DMCA

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Well.
You may not offer or impose any additional or different terms or conditions on, or apply any Effective Technological Measures to, Adapted Material that restrict exercise of the rights granted under the Adapter's License You apply.
ebo'ing might count as a "technological measure"

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 9:04 PM

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illegal technological measuer since EBO is BI use only

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 9:04 PM

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grants You the right to extract, reuse, reproduce, and Share all or a substantial portion of the contents of the database for NonCommercial and ArmaOnly purposes only;
Yes. You cannot extract and reuse anymore. License breach

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 9:06 PM

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my favorite comment on the video so far:

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📎 cant_wait.JPG

carmine folio Nov 21, 2018, 9:07 PM

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saw that too hahaha

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 9:07 PM

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Also very nice if you listen to the video. "There is this life server, made by other people"
minute later: "They very kindly gave us full permission to use their map"
"I have nothing to do with it" vs "our server"

dull moon Nov 21, 2018, 9:09 PM

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a few month ago: "i've split with repentz for his actions"
in this video: "repentz did a great job"

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 9:11 PM

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They are releasing the server on friday. Because they know that BI won't do anything over the weekend.
Neither will rockstar
Neither will I 🛌 🍻
But I'm not doing anything anyway. I just write text messages to random people

carmine folio Nov 21, 2018, 9:13 PM

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This is very off topic already.. but.. how do you guys even keep track of this? How do you remember what that one guy said once, a few months ago?

heady stump Nov 21, 2018, 9:13 PM

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the krauts have time travel

carmine folio Nov 21, 2018, 9:13 PM

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achtung itz ze germans

soft egret Nov 21, 2018, 9:13 PM

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Just human long term memory to be honest.
Watched a video once, remembers stuff

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If you are asking about ip violations by people generally then.. spreadsheets
Atleast I have a spreadsheet for monetized server stuff. I don't have one for steam workshop

frail flint Nov 21, 2018, 9:14 PM

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that and his shit head response to it burnt it into most people's memories

paper prawn Nov 22, 2018, 12:45 AM

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That and the fact that it appeared that PsiSyn threw Repentz under the bridge... Just goes to show my opinion of PsiSyn was entirely justified tbh

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Sort of memorable that one

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 12:48 AM

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drama bre

stoic beacon Nov 22, 2018, 5:24 AM

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You're still supporting them. You're responsible for your content, if you play on such a server you promote them.
You're actively promoting thiefs, no matter how you like to rephrase it.

stoic beacon Nov 22, 2018, 5:41 AM

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He left the Arma Discord already? Or was he banned?

fossil basalt Nov 22, 2018, 7:31 AM

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Both

kind sand Nov 22, 2018, 9:28 AM

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Disclaimer:

501st Legion has no rights to the maps/mods in this mod, Cruisie has no rights to the maps/mods in this mod.

Then maybe they shouldn't be uploading this mod. 🤔

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 10:41 AM

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Wait.. I remember that... https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/411143379708149770
@elfin oriole @royal gulch @latent mesa @valid sand

https://www.gofundme.com/arma-3-starsim-501st-legion wow. 😄

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@trim remnant @candid ore
You guys may want to fix that.
Keep in mind that you are violating #rules while you don't fix that. Which will probably get you removed from this discord.

grand oyster Nov 22, 2018, 10:47 AM

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😂

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 10:47 AM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1570053049 Wait.. I've seen that image before. Didn't I DMCA these last week?
Would explain why that thing has been uploaded just yesterday

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Who takes care of ww2 i44 copyright? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1144240751

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Man the leaders of that 501st group are a gold mine for ip rights violations, but I guess that's just normal with star wars groups..

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 11:13 AM

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Oh also
@trim remnant as you are here right now anyway, you might aswell fix your own illegal reupload
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=690235342

Also @candid ore
I sure hope that the "TFAR Animations" inside https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1570053049 Are not just a ripped version of @stoic beacon's mod.

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Considering your test branch of your "Auxillary mod" (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1495404417) contains a reupload of @stoic beacon's kka3_TFAR_Animations.pbo
I'm starting to doubt.

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@wise cairn you are also related to that? Atleast they list you as developer. Didn't expect that.
You might wanna help your buddies get this fixed 😉

stoic beacon Nov 22, 2018, 11:19 AM

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I just dmca'd them a few days ago....

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When I get home I'll file another one if it's not resolved here by then, waiting for the crawler to initialize it

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 11:25 AM

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@left mesa https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=927186633
it contains mods that either isn't on the workshop, doesn't fully work on the workshop You know you cannot just upload other peoples stuff right?
If the mod authors has any problems with this pack, contact me first. That's not really how that works.

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 12:53 PM

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well that's 5-6 reports within 5 minutes, thanks for the links @soft egret 😛

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 1:02 PM

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@soft egret so i have to ask, have you even tried the mod? none of it was stolen. This mod is to fix some issues from another mod while have some retextures. I even talk to the mod team and they all have no issues with the mod. At least talk to the developer before you make your claims. I'm sure you just looked at the description and made this post.

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:02 PM

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I looked at the description and at the content in there

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Even if you asked https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/141101-deadfasts-third-person-view-for-arma-3/ Deadfast whether you can reupload his mod.
Steam subscriber agreement still forbids you to upload other peoples stuff.
Even if you have permission from everyone, you still cannot reupload it.
And considering you wrote If the mod authors has any problems with this pack, contact me first. I'm 99.999% sure that you didn't ask them. Because if you did, you wouldn't have written that.

dull moon Nov 22, 2018, 1:04 PM

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☝
dingdingding

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 1:05 PM

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the issue is this is a modified version that he doesn't have on the workshop

dull moon Nov 22, 2018, 1:05 PM

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doesn't matter

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read section 6d of the steam workshop eula

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:08 PM

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You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B. above or in any license terms specific to the applicable Workshop-Enabled App or Workshop page. This includes, without limitation, any kind of intellectual property rights or other proprietary or personal rights affected by or included in the User Generated Content. In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).

You furthermore represent and warrant that the User Generated Content, your submission of that Content, and your granting of rights in that Content does not violate any applicable contract, law or regulation.```

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TL:DR If it ain't yours, you can fuck off with your upload 😄

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:09 PM

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Wait, if you get permission from deadfast to make your own "version" of his mod you can't upload that? IE: Deadfast 3rd person view (My version).

narrow topaz Nov 22, 2018, 1:09 PM

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“The author doesn’t have it on the Workshop so I’ll steal it and upload it for him” is about the most stupid defense you can spout.

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:09 PM

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yes

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:09 PM

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Wouldn't that mean you have colaborated with the author and made contributions to the mod?

kind leaf Nov 22, 2018, 1:11 PM

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Cancer

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:11 PM

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Okay

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It's not your decision that you are a collaborator though. It's the original dev's AFAIK @carmine folio

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:13 PM

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and you mention you were on our TS where? I didn't

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:13 PM

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@brisk ember
I understand that. I'm not entirely sure what's going on in this specific situation. But if my friend makes a mod, allows me to make my version and upload it. Would I be allowed to do so?

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:13 PM

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Yes. If you are a contributor and have permission by all other contributors. Then you can.
Actually. Not only permission by others. Permission by others to upload on THEIR BEHALF.

dull moon Nov 22, 2018, 1:14 PM

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@carmine folio
if he gives you full rights (IP, copyright), then yes

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in written form

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:14 PM

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^^

dull moon Nov 22, 2018, 1:14 PM

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just in case

narrow topaz Nov 22, 2018, 1:14 PM

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Depends on how you view contributions. Does one have to “substantially contribute” to an item to be defined as a contributor, or can they merely tweak a setting? But if the author considers you a contributor to that derivative no matter how small the change, you’re good with his (and all other authors’) permission

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:14 PM

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and not some edited autoresponse mail from BIS

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:15 PM

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if you edit a mod by having the original as dependency, then you are fine, if you edit the original files, you are not unless you get written permission as @dull moon said above

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:15 PM

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Ok, appreciate the clearification! 😃

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:15 PM

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that said, if the original mod EULA is ND, then you are out of luck

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depends on how far the original content creator wants to enforce that ND clause

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:16 PM

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Yeah, I understand that. I was just thinking about 6D in steam workshop EULA. It's a bit unclear with definitions imo.

dull moon Nov 22, 2018, 1:16 PM

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does ND include bugfixs? i guess so...

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@echo orchid

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:17 PM

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any sort of modification to an original content goes under derivative work

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bugfixes or not, compatibility or not

dull moon Nov 22, 2018, 1:17 PM

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👌

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:18 PM

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@carmine folio it's very clear - unless you own IP rights for the content, you cannot upload

narrow topaz Nov 22, 2018, 1:19 PM

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If there were multiple creators and you wish to make a derivative, you require permission from all contributors to the project. Can’t just ask one. (Going back to your original question as an example)

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:20 PM

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if it is a group (like RHS, CUP, 3CB), you need permission from the group - in general it's a group decission (democratic or not, etc)

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if there are individual contributors that did parts on their own or whatever

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then yes, from each of the authors

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:21 PM

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@echo orchid "Unless you own IP rights for the content, you cannot upload". That's clear(er) ;)

what about stuff like this for ND? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1463113679

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:22 PM

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You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B.
that is preciselly what is says here

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i will give you an example i am familiar with - RHS

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we have an ND license

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that means that every single compatibility mod, retexture etc

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is breaching our EULA

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we can choose to tolerate these, or enforce our EULA

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:24 PM

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Ah, yeah, true. My bad. That's an easy way to just choose what to.. exactly ahhaha

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:25 PM

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even if we silently tolerate these, we can, legally, always put our foot down

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 1:28 PM

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Issues a violation against six lines of code

{
    class Man;
    class CAManBase: Man
    {
        extCameraPosition[]={0.40000001,-0.2,-1.2};
    };
};```

Right, some people just love to poke shit for things they aren't the police of.

dull moon Nov 22, 2018, 1:28 PM

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??

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:28 PM

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you cannot really own IP rights over configs btw

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i mean you can only right a config in a certain way

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what you gonna copyright against? config values?

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class names?

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:29 PM

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language

dull moon Nov 22, 2018, 1:30 PM

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class names and their prefixes might work

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:30 PM

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yeah that might do, but still

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:30 PM

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Given the Oracle ruling against Google for Java, which was about mostly the API naming and organisation it isn't a big stretch to say that this config would be covered in the USA.

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 1:31 PM

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i was referencing a violation posted against a mod, the mod is quite literally six lines of code. because it contains someone elses code? like dude. theres only certain ways you can write scripts

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:31 PM

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What if someone writes a config and you copy paste it?
IE: Adding all the sound files in the game so they're available in triggers etc.

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:31 PM

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a. that is not a script

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:31 PM

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I don't think the rest of the world has that type of coverage yet, it certainly isn't something they could do with out a lawsuit.

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:32 PM

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b. everyone is using the same config setup as BI is

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sure, you could indeed say that class rhs_awesomesouce is copyrighted material, but you'd look a bit of an ass

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 1:32 PM

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So was this a case of people white knighting and just filing violations because they felt like it?
or because someone actually thinks they need to issue a violation over how to write code?

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:32 PM

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because it contains someone elses code?

Exactly. It doesn't matter what is inside there. What matters is that it's being reused without permission.
Yes you are right. There is no reason to copy this mod and reupload it without permission. You might aswell just write the couple lines by yourself.
But that's not what happened here. If someone wrote the 6 lines by himself. He'd be the author and done. 0 problems.

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 1:33 PM

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No one can own code

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:33 PM

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lol

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 1:33 PM

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theres only certain ways to write code,

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:33 PM

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what?

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:33 PM

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lul wat

narrow topaz Nov 22, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Wut

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Yeah. Same as there is only certain ways to make music

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:33 PM

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On this point you are utterly wrong.

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Of course you can own the code

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:34 PM

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or only certain ways to paint paintings. Or to record movies. Or to write movie scripts. Right?
That means no one has the right on what they make. Right?.. Exactly!

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:34 PM

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the issue with the 6 lines from that config, and this is vert specific

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a. it has not a single custom class

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b. it has not a single custom macro

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the boy that copy pasted the code could be done it this way instead:

{
    class Man;
    class CAManBase: Man
    {
        extCameraPosition[]={0.4,-0.2,-1.2};
    };
};

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:35 PM

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If it is an exact copy of another mod with files renamed then I guess it is a breach of the Steam workshop conditions regardless. But when it comes to talking 6 lines copied of config you are into Oracle v Google territory of ruling

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 1:36 PM

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^

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:36 PM

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the issue at hand

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is that a metric fuckton of people

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:36 PM

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Even if those 6 lines were copied from some other mod. You are right. We couldn't tell and it wouldn't matter as there are only very few ways to write exactly that.
But as I said. That's not what happened. It's clearly visible that this is just a mod made by another author, that has just been taken and reuploaded, how many lines it contains doesn't matter.

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:36 PM

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will rather copy paste stuff from all over the place

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than learn to do that themselves

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your example of DMCA is idiotic simply because these 6 lines of code are generic

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take any complicated script instead, that can be written in N number of way to achieve the same result

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and you have a different result

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conclussion - theft is theft no matter if it is a single line or n lines

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would it stand in court for the 6 lines of config? surely not, but that is besides the point

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 1:39 PM

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@soft egret removed the mod

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this whole thing is super annoying especially on thanksgiving day. Next time let the mod authors deal with the issue. DMCA takedowns is more for YOU are claiming that it contains stuff that YOU created. With you doing a DMCA takedown on the 501st aux mod, you were claiming that there was a mod in their pack that was yours. If not, you have no ground to do a DMCA on Eular. Next time talk to the mod authors and let them know and let them handle the issue. A lot of this can be handled by talking it over.

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:45 PM

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Was it DMCAd then?

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 1:45 PM

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im talking about @soft egret doing a dmca on the 501st aux mod

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:45 PM

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@left mesa lol what? thanksgiving day is not a world wide celebration, i for one couldn't care about it

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:45 PM

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If his stuff (TFAR) is in there, he has the right to do so

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 1:45 PM

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Kripto's mod doesnt if thats what you are referring to

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:45 PM

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secondly, use shit that you own

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:45 PM

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otherwise I don't think it was him

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 1:45 PM

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DedmenToday at 5:47 AM
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1570053049 Wait.. I've seen that image before. Didn't I DMCA these last week?```

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:45 PM

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there won't be any DMCA

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:46 PM

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probably because it had TFAR files in it

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:46 PM

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and you would be able to enjoy your day off

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:46 PM

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and the new (before the radio animation report) version has it removed

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@left mesa

stoic beacon Nov 22, 2018, 1:47 PM

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@left mesa it was me that filed the DMCA, not sure if Dedmen filed one as well

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:47 PM

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Next time talk to the mod authors and let them know and let them handle the issue.
you boy do have some nerve

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:47 PM

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The original author can DMCA you without ever saying a word to you and it'd be perfectly fine

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:47 PM

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why would the owner of IP rights spend any time trying to convince you to remove something he OWNs

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:48 PM

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besides, if you reupload stuff that isn't yours you're not a mod author. You're a thief.

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 1:48 PM

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I've lost track, are we refferring to the 501st auxillary mod? or the unit mod pack

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:48 PM

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both had the radio animations

stoic beacon Nov 22, 2018, 1:48 PM

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Both? Pretty sure only the aux mod had them

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:49 PM

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With you doing a DMCA takedown I'm not doing that. I gave them the chance to fix it by themselves. Also afaik there is nothing in there that I made.
I'm just forcing them to pay attention to it. Because they have been DMCA'ed for illegal reuploads in the past, and now they were at it again with no sign of stopping.
Didn't I DMCA these last week? Yeah. I DMCA'ed another pack of them last week. Because it contained TFAR.

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 1:49 PM

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I am looking at the modpack, only the 501st aux mod has it

stoic beacon Nov 22, 2018, 1:49 PM

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It still has it?

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Who's in charge for it?

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:50 PM

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Euler said he'll get it removed when some member from his group comes online. He probably didn't remove it yet.

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:50 PM

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Just give him 24 hours before the DMCA comes in 😛

stoic beacon Nov 22, 2018, 1:51 PM

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Ah, but it was taken down already because I filed a DMCA. There was a reason for this, you can't just upload it again and think you're fine

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:51 PM

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wait a reupload today?

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 1:52 PM

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This is going very off topic but I can't believe these guys are trying to argue and guilt people they stole from smh

uneven void Nov 22, 2018, 1:53 PM

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Hey, Euler showed yo

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*up

low pebble Nov 22, 2018, 1:53 PM

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🍿

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@grand oyster

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 1:53 PM

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@stoic beacon im sure they reuploaded the mod thinking that it was the swop developers doing a dmca takedown on them since it litterly happened during the whole drama situation. I'm sure @candid ore would've understood and removed the mod if you talk to him and ask him to removed the mod

stoic beacon Nov 22, 2018, 1:54 PM

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Dealt with, talked to Euler.

uneven void Nov 22, 2018, 1:54 PM

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Yeah, I can verify that. Recently SWOP stole some other mod team's content and passed it off as thier own, which just turned into a shitshow

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:54 PM

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If a DMCA comes in for your mod... why the hell wouldn't you go over every single asset in your upload and remove shit that isn't yours?

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:54 PM

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thinking that it was the swop developers doing a dmca takedown on them no reason to reupload then. And think you'll be fine this time while doing the exact same thing again

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:55 PM

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instead of only the part that you think SWOP DMCA'd for

narrow topaz Nov 22, 2018, 1:55 PM

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Better idea than recommending mod authors come talk instead of DMCA: Don’t steal shit

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 1:55 PM

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@brisk ember why would you upload shit you don't own in the first place

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:55 PM

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You gotta be real ignorant to 'accidently' include a mod that isn't yours

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thanks PuFu 😛

uneven void Nov 22, 2018, 1:55 PM

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Meh, i distanced myself from them after I saw what was happening

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:56 PM

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Recently SWOP stole some other mod team's content and passed it off as thier own which is exactly why SWOP is banned here and on BIF.

royal charm Nov 22, 2018, 1:56 PM

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👀

uneven void Nov 22, 2018, 1:56 PM

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Yeah, it was fucking helarious to watch

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:56 PM

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One's gotta wonder the percentage of SWOP that isn't stolen

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 1:56 PM

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is a safe guess

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:56 PM

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^

uneven void Nov 22, 2018, 1:56 PM

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I can verify that

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100%

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nothing they made is their own

proud flicker Nov 22, 2018, 1:56 PM

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Maybe the configs. 😄

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:57 PM

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😂

uneven void Nov 22, 2018, 1:57 PM

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No, not even that

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They stole it off Optre, TIOW, and blueharvest

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 1:57 PM

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jet packs is from the exo suit mod

uneven void Nov 22, 2018, 1:57 PM

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^^^

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laat is from the optremod

stoic beacon Nov 22, 2018, 1:58 PM

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This is getting a bit off topic, SWOP is banned for that exact reason, so there's no need to talk about it anymore

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:58 PM

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Surprised Disney didn't follow them after moving to VK

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 1:59 PM

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international copyright laws

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:59 PM

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It's actually good to know what SWOP did wrong. I didn't know all the specifics till now

uneven void Nov 22, 2018, 1:59 PM

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copyright doesn't translate well.

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 1:59 PM

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in Russia you mean? I think VK is Russian 🤔

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 1:59 PM

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copyright is outdated

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 1:59 PM

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copyright doesn't translate in russian or chinese 😏

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 1:59 PM

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^

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 2:00 PM

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Then how did you get the idea it was perfectly fine to upload the radio animations in your mod when you knew it wasn't yours?

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 2:00 PM

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@stoic beacon just wondering who notified you that the 501st aux mod had the animations?

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 2:01 PM

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does it matter?

stoic beacon Nov 22, 2018, 2:01 PM

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How's that relevant?

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 2:01 PM

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the timing is too perfect

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 2:01 PM

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alright you can jump off the paranoia

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there's no conspiracy

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 2:01 PM

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Even if SWOP was going after you. Why did you reupload then? If SWOP had 0 copy-right on your stuff, you could've counter claimed the DMCA.
You took it down though. So I assume you know that you have SWOP copyrighted content in there? In which case you cannot reupload it either

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 2:01 PM

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litterly the 501st and 212th was removed from the swop discord and then here comes the dmca

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 2:02 PM

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coincidence by the sounds of it

stoic beacon Nov 22, 2018, 2:02 PM

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It was no member of any star wars themed MilSim group, I can guarantee that

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 2:02 PM

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counter claiming means you would have to go to court

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 2:02 PM

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@left mesa "who notified" -> https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/515095400705687563

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 2:04 PM

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offtopic - star wars milsim - what?

uneven void Nov 22, 2018, 2:04 PM

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'starsim' for short

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 2:04 PM

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shudders

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 2:04 PM

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people whom play arma with star wars mods

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 2:05 PM

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nightmares are coming back again...

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 2:05 PM

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they usually play clone wars, empire or what not

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 2:05 PM

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that sounds like a 80s B movie

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 2:05 PM

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I've actually hit myself in the head several times throughout this "thread".

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 2:05 PM

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starsim, made my day

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 2:05 PM

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I've played a few times with some large groups... There was no organization.. Just pure chaos

narrow topaz Nov 22, 2018, 2:05 PM

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Milsim with more literal pew pew sounds

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 2:06 PM

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Milsim where lasers don't actually go through people

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 2:06 PM

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@left mesa counter claim doesn’t necesary means you need to go to court, but lawyers will be involved

fossil basalt Nov 22, 2018, 2:07 PM

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Firstly, SWOP was ripped from other content. So if “your mod” contains SWOP content, your in for a whole heap of trouble anyways.

left mesa Nov 22, 2018, 2:07 PM

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when lawyers is involved, money is involved, then here comes disney. anyway i fixed my issue im done here

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 2:08 PM

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Milsim where your sgt in the internet military is always right because there's no laserblaster platoon and squad handbook.

nimble basalt Nov 22, 2018, 2:09 PM

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there are handbooks

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Just not good ones

echo orchid Nov 22, 2018, 2:10 PM

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i’m too old for internet ranks, much less so for made up ones featuring lasers

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but enough OT

fossil basalt Nov 22, 2018, 2:10 PM

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@candid ore if you’re here to talk about SWOP you can stop now and leave.

junior bane Nov 22, 2018, 2:11 PM

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i don't believe he was, he was here to talk to kola about a violation. i beleive they have it resolved

fossil basalt Nov 22, 2018, 2:17 PM

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I’ll make this a bit clearer. When someone steals another’s IP, they have no room to complain.

royal charm Nov 22, 2018, 2:33 PM

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When you make $638/month using other peoples mods, why not just make your own? 🤨

https://www.patreon.com/501stlegion

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Also selling exclusive "nonmember" access to your server is prohibited per Arma's monetization terms

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But it includes your Arma server, and you list yourselves as "Arma 3 Starsim" directly above the $50 charge for public members to access private operations in Arma.

river spear Nov 22, 2018, 2:36 PM

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I've been gone for 2 hours and I come back to a wall of text the size of half of the new testament 😄

paper prawn Nov 22, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Just Revelations ...

royal charm Nov 22, 2018, 2:38 PM

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There'a also likely a problem with making $638+ a month without monetization approval..

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There's no way in hell you reinvest all that $$$.

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 2:40 PM

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They don't need to reinvest. Also as long as they don't give arma content back for that money. they don't need approval

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 2:43 PM

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Just curious. Isn't all of star wars exclusive? As in you can't do what you're doing, unrelated to arma. I thought disney didn't allow people to make games, mods etc regarding star wars.

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 2:43 PM

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true

royal charm Nov 22, 2018, 2:43 PM

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You can build a superhigh end server box for way less than $2k

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And yes, they're infringing on Disney copyright

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But Disney hasn't sued them/taken them down yet.

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 2:44 PM

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So, that 600 a month could technically fuck them over when mickey mouse come knocking?

scarlet patrol Nov 22, 2018, 2:44 PM

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aaaaaaaaaa he said the s word

royal charm Nov 22, 2018, 2:44 PM

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They would liable for the money, yes.

grand oyster Nov 22, 2018, 2:45 PM

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I think that's a game not worth playing but each to their own 🤔

carmine folio Nov 22, 2018, 2:46 PM

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I'm not sure I even want to mention this again to prevent being affiliated in any type of way. You guys don't understand. South parks episode about disney is mild.

fossil basalt Nov 22, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Have I missed any other IP rights violators?

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(Bans in progress)

broken hornet Nov 22, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Ahhhh the SWOP people are spilling over

delicate kindle Nov 22, 2018, 3:05 PM

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@brisk ember Regarding your comment here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1570053049 Could you point out any infringing addons in this upload please?

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 3:07 PM

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The radio animations made by kola

delicate kindle Nov 22, 2018, 3:07 PM

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They have been removed prior to this upload

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 3:07 PM

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Then I've commented incorrectly

delicate kindle Nov 22, 2018, 3:08 PM

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No problem, just making sure. Thanks!

brisk ember Nov 22, 2018, 3:08 PM

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Must've tried to comment on the old one

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And instead only found the new release

soft egret Nov 22, 2018, 3:10 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1495404417 this item still has it though. But kola already said he'll take care of it when he has time

delicate kindle Nov 22, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Yes our test branch is a little behind the main upload, we will get it rectified once the uploader returns

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@stoic beacon While I'm here I would also like to apologise for the inclusion of your IP in our pack without your consent. I'll do my best to make sure nothing like that happens again.

stoic beacon Nov 22, 2018, 3:15 PM

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👌

wise cairn Nov 22, 2018, 4:35 PM

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@soft egret wats going on...? and wat am I supposed to do 😦

kind sand Nov 23, 2018, 9:04 AM

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Are reskins/textures of BI A3 models considered off-limits?

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 9:06 AM

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As long as you are not reusing parts of the original texture. That's totally fine

undone pier Nov 23, 2018, 9:07 AM

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didnt they release some texture templates for that?

kind sand Nov 23, 2018, 9:07 AM

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Okay, just was looking up a picture of a Xi'an, and just saw a reskinned one from armaholic.

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So I wasn't sure.

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 9:08 AM

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Yeah the texture templates from Arma 3 samples are also fine

kind sand Nov 23, 2018, 9:08 AM

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Good to know.

echo orchid Nov 23, 2018, 11:44 AM

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@real socket this seems to be on twitter just fine, one week later:
https://twitter.com/Arma3official/status/1063438038104199170

Arma 3 (@Arma3official)

#CommunitySpotlight #001! This week we're looking at a stunning #Arma3 screenshot titled "Hillside Views"
(credits: /u/TheSenDest source: reddit)

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real socket Nov 23, 2018, 12:44 PM

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Hello, @echo orchid. As I mentioned before this was clearly a mistake on my part, and it is pretty hard for us to vet these sort of things, as there are so many of these things out there. We have decided to keep the post there as we don't want to hide our mistakes, and what is being posted will stay online forever. I have however noted all your feedback from this, and make sure that all content is properly checked for the future, and as I mentioned previously this was done by me, and is my mistake alone. I am new to alot of this, and I questioned this photo before I posted it. I should however have checked it more thoroughly before i posted it.

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However, I am doing another Community Spotlight today, so if anyone would like to suggest a screenshot, video, or mod for it feel free to DM me. If you would like to help me "proof" it, then I am also open to sharing it with some of you before I release it.

echo orchid Nov 23, 2018, 12:59 PM

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@real socket Hey man fair enough, i was just under the impression you'll guys look into it, and remove it.

real socket Nov 23, 2018, 1:01 PM

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We did look into it, and decided to keep it there as we don't want to hide these mistakes. 😃

echo orchid Nov 23, 2018, 1:02 PM

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yeah got it

upbeat flame Nov 23, 2018, 1:39 PM

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What exactly is wrong with that picture

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 1:40 PM

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Backpacks stolen from RHS and Battlefield 4.
Uniform stolen from DayZ

upbeat flame Nov 23, 2018, 1:41 PM

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So mods are not allowed in pictures

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 1:41 PM

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wat?

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Mods are allowed. yes.

upbeat flame Nov 23, 2018, 1:41 PM

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But whats the big deal then?

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Stolen models that are #ip_rights_violations aren't allowed

royal charm Nov 23, 2018, 1:41 PM

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It's stolen and modified content

upbeat flame Nov 23, 2018, 1:41 PM

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Oh so RHS pack is all stolen stuff

midnight vine Nov 23, 2018, 1:41 PM

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🍿

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 1:42 PM

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Read again what i wrote

royal charm Nov 23, 2018, 1:42 PM

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😑

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 1:42 PM

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I never said anything in RHS is stolen

upbeat flame Nov 23, 2018, 1:42 PM

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Oh that modified the stuff in rhs?

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They

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 1:42 PM

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They stole the stuff FROM rhs

upbeat flame Nov 23, 2018, 1:43 PM

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Ok still dont get it... So if i wear a rhs backpack i stole it from them?

royal charm Nov 23, 2018, 1:43 PM

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The mod that is pictured, stole items from RHS (and others), purported it to be their own, and it was tweeted by Arma, giving the violators more exposure.

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 1:43 PM

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No

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The backpack in the picture is stolen from RHS and modified

upbeat flame Nov 23, 2018, 1:43 PM

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Ohh they said its thier mod

royal charm Nov 23, 2018, 1:43 PM

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And they modified it, yes.

upbeat flame Nov 23, 2018, 1:43 PM

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Ok i see now

royal charm Nov 23, 2018, 1:43 PM

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They changed model a bit and slapped new texture on it.

echo orchid Nov 23, 2018, 1:48 PM

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@upbeat flame Dodorex: Oh so RHS pack is all stolen stuff
say WHAT?

??

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that backpack is one of RHS models, made by RHS for RHS

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the one in that picture is an edited version of the RHS backpack, which means it is ripped and edited

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got it now?

upbeat flame Nov 23, 2018, 1:50 PM

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Yes i got it before chill down i may not be as smart as you in this

echo orchid Nov 23, 2018, 1:51 PM

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you could have ended before in this

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

upbeat flame Nov 23, 2018, 1:51 PM

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? Dont get it oh well

echo orchid Nov 23, 2018, 1:52 PM

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precisely what i meant

upbeat flame Nov 23, 2018, 1:52 PM

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Is it not good to understand more?

stoic beacon Nov 23, 2018, 1:58 PM

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@dull moon CUP reupload, also RH stuff.
I will file a DMCA once I'm home, but I thought you might want to have a look at it as well.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1563980296

stoic beacon Nov 23, 2018, 5:02 PM

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@dull moon looks like they deleted your comment.
I wanted to talk to them, but they instantly banned me 🤦

dull moon Nov 23, 2018, 5:18 PM

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the item is gone

stoic beacon Nov 23, 2018, 5:24 PM

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they deleted it...

dull moon Nov 23, 2018, 5:25 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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better hide the piglets before the big bad wolf is coming for them 😉

blissful arch Nov 23, 2018, 8:26 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1300454647 maybe some things of interest in there, including CUP

dull moon Nov 23, 2018, 8:30 PM

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thx

wise cairn Nov 23, 2018, 8:48 PM

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wats wrong with that mArmAga mod

blissful arch Nov 23, 2018, 8:48 PM

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reuploads of many mods

wise cairn Nov 23, 2018, 8:49 PM

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would he have to do like a modlist instead?

dull moon Nov 23, 2018, 8:49 PM

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unautorized reuploads of 3rd party content like CUP ect

blissful arch Nov 23, 2018, 8:49 PM

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@Immersion Cigs pretty sure this is a nono in lifepacks at all

dull moon Nov 23, 2018, 8:50 PM

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@wise cairn
creating mod dependencies to the original mods on the workshop page fixes this

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but not including it to a BS modpack

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 8:50 PM

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@blissful arch it was EWK cigs that's not allowed.

blissful arch Nov 23, 2018, 8:50 PM

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ahh

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1496744221 if you take a look at mine

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it requires CBA + TaskforceRadio

wise cairn Nov 23, 2018, 8:51 PM

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@dull moon so if that guy did something like this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=740883628 it would be fine?

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or if he asked each and every dev if he could reupload?

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Yes collections are fine

But. Immersion Cigs: For educational purposes. Do not use the content in your works without our explicit permission.
Sooo... Essentially a "do not use this" line.

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or if he asked each and every dev if he could reupload? no. Violates Steam Subscriber Agreement. Even with permission it's not allowed

blissful arch Nov 23, 2018, 8:52 PM

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well he has my mod in their without asking, so thats a definite no xD

wise cairn Nov 23, 2018, 8:52 PM

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oh its a steam thing k

dull moon Nov 23, 2018, 8:53 PM

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not only. CUP license for example prohibits reuploads in general. to reupload a 3rd party mod, the uploader needs written permission and transfer off IP and copyright by the original autor

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steam workshop eula section 6d

blissful arch Nov 23, 2018, 8:54 PM

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steam is easier to control this,

wise cairn Nov 23, 2018, 8:55 PM

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i see

dull moon Nov 23, 2018, 8:57 PM

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TL:DR and better to understand:
it's common sense and respect for the creation and rights of others that should prevent uploads like we see too often

wise cairn Nov 23, 2018, 8:59 PM

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i see

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Now in that case of that guy who reuploaded like 50 mods, im guessing he did that for ease of adding all mods cause then all u have to do is add one mod to ur launcher rather then adding all 50 individually and forgetting one if that makes sense, what should he do instead?

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Create a steam collection. Or a html modlist (I think arma launch can export these)

dull moon Nov 23, 2018, 9:04 PM

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steam mod collection is the way to go

wise cairn Nov 23, 2018, 9:04 PM

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Oh yea I forgot about the HTML export.

dull moon Nov 23, 2018, 9:05 PM

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subscribing to the collection get's you all the mods included.
imagine over a million (1/4 of all arma players) have CUP already downloaded, and this guy forces his players to download it again... for what?

wise cairn Nov 23, 2018, 9:09 PM

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I see.

blissful arch Nov 23, 2018, 9:12 PM

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or he is too lazy to update the server when the mods get updated

wise cairn Nov 23, 2018, 9:18 PM

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What about arma3Sync? I don't know too much about arma 3 sync but is it not like you have our own repo that you upload the mods to and then just link that to ppl to download?

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 11:18 PM

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Repentz live in psisyn's stream "I never said I made that TFAR animation" "Oh yeah. If it's not fine then I'll remove it, I didn't know that"
Repentz not knowing that ripping stuff, repacking it, renaming it, encrypting it is not fine? sure.
"I'm completely complying with everything, and we are not monetized" uhuh totally explains why I found them via bohemia's monetized servers list, and reported them for using TFAR without permission..
Repentz: "Dedmen is lying, I never pretended to have made these animations" Yeah. They are called AL_Animations with a MapEBO-Repentz.bisign. And the mod.cpp says author = "Repentz\Travis\Fini";
Sure you didn't pretend to have made them. You clearly said they were made by kola. Here see, this is what you said "Look, check out our new cool animations" See! "looK, check Out our new cooL Animations" K O L A. Clearly. Kola. Clearly said they are made by kola. I mean. It's perfectly obvious!

willow belfry Nov 23, 2018, 11:28 PM

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why is PsiSyn adding me and complaining?

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what are you guys complaining about?

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 11:28 PM

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He is streaming and planting his drama again

willow belfry Nov 23, 2018, 11:30 PM

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drama regarding what though?

dull moon Nov 23, 2018, 11:30 PM

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old bs

willow belfry Nov 23, 2018, 11:30 PM

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has anything been reported to David? or BI

dull moon Nov 23, 2018, 11:31 PM

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not yet, might follow. usage of EBO format

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 11:31 PM

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Yeah all of it couple days ago.
Psisyn just got wind of it and is now and making drama out of it

willow belfry Nov 23, 2018, 11:31 PM

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i see, i saw him being banned but now its spilling over to me.

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if you've got proof of them violating anything can you post a link to the rules

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and the proof

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or add me and dm me

blissful arch Nov 23, 2018, 11:34 PM

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litteraly all of the stuff on their server was ebos

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they posted tutorials all over the place on how to do it

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<removed link> here is one from everybodys favourite

soft egret Nov 23, 2018, 11:36 PM

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@blissful arch censor that link pls. Violating #rules

echo orchid Nov 23, 2018, 11:45 PM

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afaik both BI and David is more than aware of the bloke

radiant onyx Nov 24, 2018, 7:34 AM

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Multiple violations including re-PBOed mods such as : Exilemod , Diwako's STALKER-like anomalies, MrSanchez' Headlamps, RZ Infection, Zombies and Demons
and possibly more.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=885353754

PS: Their server was already warned by BI for selling in-game items. They don't care and keep selling "premium" items, and obviously don't care about other modders creations.

burnt oak Nov 24, 2018, 8:59 AM

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Wait, he repacked them, again?

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i aalso told him his ""donations"" would not fly
https://i.imgur.com/sMrpJ5s.png

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i see he also changed thatpage to require a login now

radiant onyx Nov 24, 2018, 9:55 AM

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@burnt oak , just noticed he did delete your pbo, eventually. You were lucky enough to notice, I guess. Many didn't.
As for ""donations"", he just converted real money to some in-game rad-points currency , that can be obtained by play hours or bought (if you don't want to grind). Have no idea on how BI handles cases like these. I was more about bringing to your attention the violation of a mass content repack and re-upload to workshop.

burnt oak Nov 24, 2018, 9:59 AM

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he grabbed my mod from github and just packed it un compiled into his modpack, the mod obviosuly did not work then and he requested support from me as my mod was "non work"

hallow lark Nov 24, 2018, 10:11 AM

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email this to infringements@bistudio.com

soft egret Nov 24, 2018, 11:37 AM

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They don't care and keep selling "premium" items also drop a mail to monetization@bistudio.com

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@hallow lark infringement is for copyright infringements. Not monetization violations

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I don't remember him having monetization approval. I can't look at it as it's behind registration :u

burnt oak Nov 24, 2018, 11:45 AM

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the 2 options he had were "protection of your base" and loot

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if you go over the VK site you can read stuff about "premium users" will get a gps on spawn and have some higher loot rate or something

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and you 1:1 exchange ingame currency now according to some post

dapper ocean Nov 24, 2018, 10:32 PM

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Hey, quick question for you guys. Probably a pretty stupid one but I would rather be safe than sorry.

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When making a new terrain, if you use assets from another mod (like rocks or buildings or whatever) and they become a dependency for your terrain, that’s all kosher right?

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I don’t need to ask permission or something to use another mod as a dependency?

faint nacelle Nov 24, 2018, 10:45 PM

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yes using dependencies is all good

fossil basalt Nov 24, 2018, 10:47 PM

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@dapper ocean do not confuse putting someone’s content into your mod with “dependency”

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One requires another mod to work, the other is taking someone’s work without permission.

dapper ocean Nov 24, 2018, 11:06 PM

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@fossil basalt Just to clarify, the situation I was asking about would be where the map would literally not load correctly without having the other mod loaded.

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I don’t mean like cherrypicking out .PBOs or anything.

snow bloom Nov 24, 2018, 11:51 PM

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@stoic beacon https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1387447172

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Is that legit?

soft egret Nov 24, 2018, 11:52 PM

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Yes that's the real kola

snow bloom Nov 24, 2018, 11:52 PM

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Ah right okay, wasn't too sure

paper prawn Nov 24, 2018, 11:57 PM

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I think all dedmen was saying is that you tagged the real kola, not that the mod is legit

soft egret Nov 24, 2018, 11:58 PM

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both are the real kola

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you can just go to his profile on steam. And check his other workshop contributions

paper prawn Nov 25, 2018, 12:00 AM

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Oh okay... just odd it just has the ARMA logo... his stuff normally has a custom image for the mod...

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And, ah, he contributed to someone else's workshop... missed that

stoic beacon Nov 25, 2018, 12:36 AM

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Yep, it's legit 😄

dull moon Nov 25, 2018, 12:52 AM

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hmmm
just had an idea:
reporting illegal monetizing servers (US based) to the IRS
😈

snow bloom Nov 25, 2018, 12:57 AM

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Would that require the servers to be hosted in the US or just the community to be based there?

dull moon Nov 25, 2018, 12:58 AM

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good question

soft egret Nov 25, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Humans pay taxes

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not servers

dull moon Nov 25, 2018, 12:58 AM

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right

soft egret Nov 25, 2018, 12:58 AM

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If you are A american who owns a german Arma group, living in germany. You still pay US taxes

snow bloom Nov 25, 2018, 12:59 AM

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But there's one issue, communities aren't set up the same way a conventional business would be, so how does taxing work? Would the monetization need to be listed as a normal income?

dull moon Nov 25, 2018, 1:00 AM

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if they have set up a rooster, the fool on the top get's the boot

snow bloom Nov 25, 2018, 1:00 AM

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But then what's stopping the people on the next highest level stepping up and continuing?

dull moon Nov 25, 2018, 1:01 AM

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getting the boot right after?

snow bloom Nov 25, 2018, 1:01 AM

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Hmm suppose, but remember, a large amount of arma players aren't exactly known for their high intelligence levels

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And will keep doing it

dull moon Nov 25, 2018, 1:02 AM

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not my problem. if they illegally monetize, they shall pay for it

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Ignorance does not protect one from punishment```

snow bloom Nov 25, 2018, 1:03 AM

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Fair enough, I personally think the whole monetization thing was a poor idea to start with

paper prawn Nov 25, 2018, 1:05 AM

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@soft egret OT, but that is one of the reasons, not the main one that I, an Englishman in the US will never be a citizen... the reach of the US IRS...

minor herald Nov 25, 2018, 1:05 AM

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I mean any income, is income, just depends if it's taxable, which money from monetizing your server would be taxable

paper prawn Nov 25, 2018, 1:14 AM

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The US IRS operates differently from most other national tax collectors for US citizens... but OT

dull moon Nov 25, 2018, 1:17 AM

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not really OT if it's related to how to punish rules violations.

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true, not the perfect channel for it, but it comes close

paper prawn Nov 25, 2018, 1:18 AM

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Just meant my comments not your suggestion

dull moon Nov 25, 2018, 1:19 AM

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i might try to report a server that is illegally monetizing cup to the appropriate institution, just to see what happens

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if this works, this would be hell of a big ass governmental hammer to the face.

hallow lark Nov 25, 2018, 1:26 AM

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The original owner of MOTO back in A2 was reported to the IRS. That's why he was no longer the owner of MOTO. Reporting works, but not sure how one goes about it. May have been Paypal that reported it.

tight copper Nov 25, 2018, 3:58 AM

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Fun fact: if you where born in america you need to be double sure you distanced that american citizenship otherwise to them you still need to pay taxed

wise cairn Nov 25, 2018, 4:45 AM

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?

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w8 what?

olive sparrow Nov 25, 2018, 9:03 AM

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Some swedish Life guy got inpected for tax a few years back and he had to appeal for more donations to keep himself out of prison

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I have the post screenshot somewhere

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Its a dangerous game once the income becomes significant

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That guy had bought himself a new car (immediately worth a lot less) and paid his rent with the income so he was exposed to a sudden liquidity crisis when the taxman audited his paypal

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Why he couldnt just sell his car instead of asking his community to bail him out i have no idea

hushed spoke Nov 25, 2018, 9:10 AM

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probably did but, as you say it would have depreciated straight off the forecourt and he was left with negative equity....

royal charm Nov 25, 2018, 3:11 PM

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For my community, I save receipts for every community related expense (servers, etc), and file them as deductions. Since the expenses outweigh the donations, and I cover the rest, I am good with the IRS.

carmine folio Nov 25, 2018, 4:08 PM

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AWG Mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=952141515
Seems to contain ripped models from Ravaged the game.

Image of the model from there site http://ravaged.wikia.com/wiki/Gyro_Copter
https://i.gyazo.com/4b130bb90340f23b75c63edcdbc991c4.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/a6e72566d65deb9b431ed08880486447.jpg

soft egret Nov 25, 2018, 4:09 PM

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This mod can only be used with express permission of its authors
Wow. They must be really busy giving out permission to over 80 thousand people.

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@errant drum ^ You are co-author on that item

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@orchid plume is the other

grand oyster Nov 25, 2018, 4:23 PM

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Kadmon 🤔

fervent needle Nov 25, 2018, 4:27 PM

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https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/gyrocopter-3d-model-1175436 @carmine folio @soft egret

soft egret Nov 25, 2018, 4:28 PM

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Not the first time we see ripped models being sold.
The game is from 2012. That model was uploaded in 2017

keen trout Nov 25, 2018, 4:29 PM

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https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/arma3-3-a3-ambulance-3d-1221009 last screenshot seems to be from a familiar 3d editing software

Arma3 3 a3 ambulance 3D - TurboSquid 1221009

Royalty free 3D model A3 Ambulance for download as 3ds and fbx on TurboSquid: 3D models for games, architecture, videos. (1221009)

carmine folio Nov 25, 2018, 4:41 PM

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AWG Also seems to contain a model from Fallout New Vegas as well.
https://i.gyazo.com/e74796116f1484510d893ad37d861622.jpg
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Feral_ghoul_(Fallout:_New_Vegas)

mint edge Nov 25, 2018, 4:48 PM

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well max classname probably refers to maxlioner or w.e

fervent needle Nov 25, 2018, 4:48 PM

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That was from a zombie mod already on steam that they got permission to edit iirc

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Yea

mint edge Nov 25, 2018, 4:48 PM

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but they still got "permission" to edit content stolen from fallout

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pretty obvious model at that

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its a ghoul which is quit iconic lol

fervent needle Nov 25, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Never played fallout here nor ravanged game, but I guess you can’t trust what came from others or purchased even if the site is more credited

vale steeple Nov 25, 2018, 4:54 PM

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yeah that's asking for trouble if you buy a model from a website or ask for someone's permission to use their mod and not check where the hell it comes from.

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turbosquid and other 3d marketplaces don't have great track records of taking down stolen content.

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and pleading ignorance is a pretty old tale too

fervent needle Nov 25, 2018, 5:00 PM

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Im passing the time at work on discord, I know about that model as it was almost contributed to exilemod

mint edge Nov 25, 2018, 5:01 PM

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and im guessing they declined because nobody knew the origin of it?

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xd

strong jasper Nov 25, 2018, 5:02 PM

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How did no one spot that as being a fallout model prior to now? 😂

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I guess constantly throwing money at a problem doesn't always solve it.. 🤣

fervent needle Nov 25, 2018, 5:03 PM

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The guy who made all the vehicles stopped and it never got added

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Wasn’t questioned

vale steeple Nov 25, 2018, 5:04 PM

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answer to that question is pretty simple @strong jasper . it's a human condition to think you can get away with something by simply saying you didn't know what you were doing.

strong jasper Nov 25, 2018, 5:04 PM

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Oh definitely, I used it loads when I was a kid. 😂

hushed spoke Nov 25, 2018, 5:04 PM

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i use it every day at work...does that count?

strong jasper Nov 25, 2018, 5:05 PM

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Yup!

hushed spoke Nov 25, 2018, 5:05 PM

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oh, am i really sat in the first class carriage....I do apologise. I'll move

strong jasper Nov 25, 2018, 5:05 PM

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🤣

brisk ember Nov 25, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Friend of mine had the same situation @hushed spoke the conductor said "What do you mean you didn't know? Look at these beautiful luxurious chairs". My friend all drunk "I don't find them that beautiful". 😂 He was still asked to move to 2nd class

strong jasper Nov 25, 2018, 5:07 PM

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lol

hushed spoke Nov 25, 2018, 5:07 PM

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lucky he wasn't forced to pay.....

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take that every time

brisk ember Nov 25, 2018, 5:07 PM

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good point

strong jasper Nov 25, 2018, 5:08 PM

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A friend of mine never pays for the train; he's deaf and so when they ask him for the ticket he starts signing away until the conductor leaves. 🤣

hushed spoke Nov 25, 2018, 5:08 PM

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well....it sort of is isn't it? just not an arma one so, point taken

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never hurts to provide analogies though.... 🤔

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didn't mean to derail the convo.... ouch! 😄

strong jasper Nov 25, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Kappa

errant drum Nov 25, 2018, 5:50 PM

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@soft egret yeah both models came directly from 2 mods (Max Zombies on the workshop and Exilemod unreleased model) , just assumed they were ok. Will be removed thanks for the heads up

dull moon Nov 25, 2018, 5:54 PM

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It's always a problem reusing 3rd party content. One can never be sure that the real origin is

dull moon Nov 25, 2018, 6:40 PM

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RE repentz:
wonder what he did...

📎 repentz.JPG

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😂

tight copper Nov 25, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Gamecloseoff???

fervent needle Nov 25, 2018, 6:42 PM

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Vac ban or game ban?

dull moon Nov 25, 2018, 6:43 PM

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found out...
UAC game ban for hacking Insurgency

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😄

faint nacelle Nov 25, 2018, 6:44 PM

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well if one thinks rules dont apply to him

dull moon Nov 25, 2018, 6:44 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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he has like 1.5h on insurgency

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what a coincidence

fervent needle Nov 25, 2018, 6:49 PM

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1.5hrs to taint his account

tight copper Nov 25, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Reminds me of this dutch group I came in contact with, a fellow dutchie claimed they had a good dutch modpack, well not so. The few dutch assets they had where stolen from LowlandsWarrior, and a lot of others they stole from too, all uploaded to the workshop. I talked to the guys, they claimed to be Military, they where VeVa (private military themed school looked down upon by the real dutch military because of common bad behavior and bad habbits) and to top it off the entirety of the staff had vac bans for one or more games...

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After cleaning up their act they had the balls to ask me to join them, how about no?

royal charm Nov 26, 2018, 4:28 AM

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https://forums.arma-life.com/

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Storing all of it in Google Drive (not sure if that's typically allowed)

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@soft egret TFAR included

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TRYK, VVVV, WomenMod, TR8, A3Life, XCAM_Taunus, POP, NP, mr_warehouse, JBAD, HLC, D3S, ASDG, ASN, Burnes, BNAE, BABE, ASN, AL

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Some of it's EBO'd as well lol

paper prawn Nov 26, 2018, 5:12 AM

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Guess Repentz has given up on the Steam workshop then? That is his server

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Love how their financial aims are $249.98 for server costs and $500 to pay the developers each month

kind sand Nov 26, 2018, 5:23 AM

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I think that's noble... if he actually gave the $500/month to the people who did the real development.

paper prawn Nov 26, 2018, 5:24 AM

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LOL!

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Fat chance of that - I think everyone here is utterly aware of how noble PsiSyn and Repentz are 😐

blissful arch Nov 26, 2018, 5:29 AM

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fixing my phone and then taking all credit for it

stoic beacon Nov 26, 2018, 6:16 AM

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@blissful arch have you tried to contact them?

blissful arch Nov 26, 2018, 8:32 AM

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not worth the issue

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people gave psisyn shit on their stream when he did it, if it becomes an issue ill contact him myself

brisk ember Nov 26, 2018, 8:38 AM

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another repack... https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1241237014