#ip_rights_violations | ARMA | Page 39

river spear Jul 9, 2018, 11:54 PM

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(about selling scripts for example)

olive sparrow Jul 9, 2018, 11:54 PM

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well openly breaching the EULA and carrying out clear, auditable commercial activities means yo ucan easily be assessed for and then pursued for damages

river spear Jul 9, 2018, 11:54 PM

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is selling a script you wrote in notepad a breach of eula though? 😄

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when you make a p3d with their tool, fair enough, they have the say over that

olive sparrow Jul 9, 2018, 11:55 PM

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if yousell itto me in private it's s ofar down the enforcement radar it doesn't exist

river spear Jul 9, 2018, 11:55 PM

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but a plain text file with SQF code in it is not a clear case imo

olive sparrow Jul 9, 2018, 11:55 PM

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but if you launch an e-commerce site, it's right there for al lt osee, in your face, and clear wha tthe pricing is, what the product is, and who is selling it

river spear Jul 9, 2018, 11:56 PM

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as far as i am aware the legal team actually sent out emails to one of these websites that old them "yes you are allowed to sell without utilizing the bohemia content" or something (after these sites contacted them)

olive sparrow Jul 9, 2018, 11:56 PM

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THAT is so ripe for a takedown, and possible damages claim, UNLESS it also is not considered for enforcement

river spear Jul 9, 2018, 11:57 PM

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could probably argue about it for ages 😄

olive sparrow Jul 9, 2018, 11:57 PM

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well it implies, as yo usuggest, that e-commerce transactions for in-game content are not enforced

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which is news to me. interesting...

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who knew lol

river spear Jul 9, 2018, 11:58 PM

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always depends on what they sell specifically

olive sparrow Jul 9, 2018, 11:59 PM

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it definitely breaches the EULA, as the EULA has that catch-all phrasing

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but it's then down to enforcement policy

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so these guys are operating "at-risk"

river spear Jul 10, 2018, 12:00 AM

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but that all catching phrase is what is the issue imo, its so vague

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 12:00 AM

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deliberately so

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like all good licenses - it provides a safety net for al leventualities

river spear Jul 10, 2018, 12:00 AM

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a bunch of people will say SQF scripts -> 100% under EULA, and others will say 100% not, it would be REALLY interesting to see what a court would rule over this

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 12:01 AM

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then the ydecide how and when and where and t owhat extent to enforce it

river spear Jul 10, 2018, 12:01 AM

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just dont sue me first bohemia 😉

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 12:01 AM

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😂

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 12:02 AM

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You are entitled to use the Program for your own use, but you are not entitled to:
        Publish and/or distribute the computer Program or any of its parts (meaning no classnames or lines taken from a BI config) 
        Exploit the Program or any of its parts for any commercial purpose (meaning not selling stuff for the game on an e-commerce site)```

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100% covered by the A3 EULA

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so it's down to a relaxed enforcement policy

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i.e. it's not really harming BI's interests enough to warrant asking legal to deal with it

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but if you get big enough, watch out!

river spear Jul 10, 2018, 12:05 AM

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ignoring the part whether its breaching the eula or not, i also dont see bohemia sueing them anytime soon unless they start doing some REALLY shady stuff that only hurts the reputation

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this channel would probably explode right now

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but all the talkative people are offline zoomeyes

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 12:07 AM

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am off to bed too. nice chatting as always!

river spear Jul 10, 2018, 12:08 AM

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good night 👋

undone pier Jul 10, 2018, 6:12 AM

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several years back Marek was pretty clear that commercial activity is doable as long as it doesnt violate their terms

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which is dont use their tools, dont use their data (+ dont use their brand and other IP)

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with third party tools making BI tools no longer necessary in some areas, this is no longer as restrictive as it once was

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also you can sell the source data with a guide how to make it into Arma usable format

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with the influx of new ppl (DayZ and since), they have been a lot more careful in their wording and statements being fully aware of the potential issues this topic can lead to

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plus they want to have as much control themselves and benefit of any commercial activity obviously

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still they can do only so much

faint nacelle Jul 10, 2018, 6:53 AM

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@olive sparrow how I read that above paragraph is that You cant exploit == use the program (ARMA 3) in any commercial activity. But selling a script is not using the program? As in Arma3 is not run nowhere near the sale of the .txt file

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What kind of modles they provide and how they are made that I dont know, but as its been stated P3D even can be made without tools. Sure Bohemia could probably intervene in the use of their game format, but not quite sure if I've seen anything related to the actual format in any EULA

echo orchid Jul 10, 2018, 7:52 AM

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afaik alwarend blender tools is also non-commercial

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that being said, i can sell a model done for arma, all configs and model.cfg done, and have a .bat file done for injecting stuff from whatevah software to oxygen

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 8:00 AM

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I'm starting to think the modding community might not even need Bohemias involvement in making a dlc...

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If a group can put together a set of tools themselves (i.e. hire mikero to make a non-BI toolset) they can set up an e-commerce platform and launch a dlc on it.

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ifthose Life guys can do it, the milsimmers could too, and save rather a lot of money that would otherwise have gone to Bohemia. This is purely theoretical btw!

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i'm purely chasing the rabbit down the hole here

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see, my take on it is - if i make a config and it has class cfgvehicles then that is derived from the game content and so i cannot put it to commerical use

faint nacelle Jul 10, 2018, 8:05 AM

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good point

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 8:06 AM

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so if they can do it, so could we all.

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level playing field etc

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I'd prefer to make a DLC with bohemia, as it could be a great partnership, but if the rules are relaxed enough to allow e-commerce trading of game content, then why give away several £m just for goodwills sake?

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hell, we could putthat money into pure marketing and make the DLC sell far and wide.

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it makes perfect commercial sense NOT to make a dlc with bohemia, if they allow this kind of commercial supply.

faint nacelle Jul 10, 2018, 8:09 AM

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Id think it would need to be some sort of "make your own DLC source file kit though"

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since I think using Armas Binarize.exe cant(?) be circumvented

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 8:10 AM

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ah i see, so there is a real wall in this.

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you can't supply a pbo

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wel lthat makes more sense

faint nacelle Jul 10, 2018, 8:11 AM

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that is my understanding

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 8:11 AM

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sorry if i missed that before

echo orchid Jul 10, 2018, 8:11 AM

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i think binarize exe could be circumvented if you really wanted to

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that being said the file types are proprietary

faint nacelle Jul 10, 2018, 8:12 AM

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could BI classify such Addons hacks or something?

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 8:12 AM

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well any decent dlc project could afford to spend £100k on circumventing it

echo orchid Jul 10, 2018, 8:13 AM

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adobe PDF, PSD etc for instance have been created by 3rd party programs before adobe helped out with SDKs

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 8:13 AM

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my feeling is that THIS would feature on the enforcement radar, as it deviates from the companys business model

echo orchid Jul 10, 2018, 8:13 AM

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same for FBX if i am not mistaken, software were exporting FBX before autodeks pushed on their own SDK

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but we are going off topic here anyways

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 8:13 AM

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whereas a coupleof scripts for a Life server aren't worth bothering about

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i was just wondering why if those guys break the EULA they are allowed to do so, which is definitely part of this topic

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i guess it comes down to SCALE

faint nacelle Jul 10, 2018, 8:17 AM

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possibly

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or as you said it is and if situation and they are in the allowed zone

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which may or may not be a very broad grey area

echo orchid Jul 10, 2018, 8:21 AM

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i'm very tempted to put out a game mesh for sale, see what happens

keen trout Jul 10, 2018, 8:43 AM

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armake has it's own binarize

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it's not 100% compliant yet, far from it

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it can binarize both code and models, create a pbo with them, sign it with a valid key

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https://github.com/KoffeinFlummi/armake

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 8:48 AM

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well it's tempting indeed t osee what is legitimately permitted...

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it's jus ta shame there's no easy way to work around Valve. as distrbuting game content without steam would be quite hard. but they generally take a large chunk of the proceeds on any game platform.

faint nacelle Jul 10, 2018, 8:50 AM

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well non BI Binarize could then be possible, but since Armakes is not yet fully functional its not a very good option at the moment

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separate launcher and data host for the dlcs

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would also need system to deal with addon piracy at that point

undone pier Jul 10, 2018, 9:23 AM

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doing something commerical outside BI framework for non-simple projects is still tricky and you usually would want the PR benefits they can deliver

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for Lifers its probably not so much true - they have YTers, hype and their own communities for the attention

keen trout Jul 10, 2018, 9:26 AM

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isn't it the other way around, it's simpler without steam? 😄

undone pier Jul 10, 2018, 9:31 AM

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my point is its not that trivial not to violate any part of BI/A3 terms - open question if BI would act upon it. before A3 i would have assumed so (in OFP they did this once)
however the monetized server situation kinda gives me a different impression

echo orchid Jul 10, 2018, 10:24 AM

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you can license the engine if you so desire afaik

hallow frigate Jul 10, 2018, 10:44 AM

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Got a community here using my missionfile that gives out points for helpful posts and "outstanding roleplay" which then can be traded in ingame items. From my side I gave them permission saying that I don't care as long as they obey monetization rules. However, now they also give 50 of these points for donating the first time and I'm unsure if they would actually break it by doing that 🤔 actually I'm happy they ask me 😅

soft egret Jul 10, 2018, 10:46 AM

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@river spear there was already a court ruling. Programming Languages cannot be protected. So you can sell a file of SQF code all you want.
@faint nacelle since I think using Armas Binarize.exe cant(?) be circumvented armake is about 95% there.

faint nacelle Jul 10, 2018, 10:47 AM

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yeah we discussed that above

soft egret Jul 10, 2018, 10:47 AM

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Dedmen again posting before arriving at the bottom ^^

proud flicker Jul 10, 2018, 10:48 AM

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If a group can put together a set of tools themselves (i.e. hire mikero to make a non-BI toolset) they can set up an e-commerce platform and launch a dlc on it.
Asking for a custom binarize here, that would be huge. Until then, not realistically doable wihout binarize.

soft egret Jul 10, 2018, 10:48 AM

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@hallow frigate they need to be a monetized server for that.

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And.. Well. I know they need permission to use mods. But the FAQ doesn't talk about mission files. Do they count as mods?

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@proud flicker Armake is already the custom open-source binarize. It can preprocess, binarize, pack pbo, sign. Which is essentially the entire toolchain you need.
It can convert to paa too I think. But there was a bug with them being too dark.

proud flicker Jul 10, 2018, 10:51 AM

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Interesting. So a packer with a custom made binarize.exe?

soft egret Jul 10, 2018, 10:52 AM

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Binarize code is directly integrated. Like everything else

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So theoretically you could make stuff without BI tools. But I don't know how that would go in court as you cannot really see if BI tools were used or not. And it's still a BI proprietary file format

proud flicker Jul 10, 2018, 10:53 AM

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How long would it take for BI to change the EULA to prevent this. 😄

echo orchid Jul 10, 2018, 11:13 AM

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not within arma3 lifespan anyways

wooden ingot Jul 10, 2018, 11:14 AM

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@pliant oar https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1437089799 can you flag this please?

{
    class YuraPetrov_helicopters
    {
        displayname="$STR_BLACKHAWKS_YURA_PETROV";
    };
};``` - from config 
and then the claim...
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/217785-uh-60_pack_by_robberjoe/?do=findComment&comment=3301555

Bohemia Interactive Forums

UH-60_pack_by_RobberJoe

This pack contains different versions of UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter. I want to publish this mod because the community ...

hallow frigate Jul 10, 2018, 11:23 AM

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Alright. Will tell them to think of smth else. thx 😊

lofty steeple Jul 10, 2018, 11:43 AM

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robberJoe ... some folks have nerves

tawny sentinel Jul 10, 2018, 12:24 PM

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Didn't Yura's model of the Blackhawk get bought by BISIM or BI if I remember correctly?

snow bloom Jul 10, 2018, 12:26 PM

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BISIM yeah

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I brought this mod up a while ago when I found it on steM

tawny sentinel Jul 10, 2018, 12:27 PM

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Good work.

echo orchid Jul 10, 2018, 1:26 PM

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@wild stone
RobberJoe made them... Didnt see title? He just dont wanna be in credits... And those models are similar to YP but they dont. He just wants to publish his work 100% his work. YuraPetrov is dead for thousands years... He is my friend who make models
yeah right, that is why the strings is pointing to yura as strings shows above

snow bloom Jul 10, 2018, 1:31 PM

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I don’t understand why they wouldn’t have made even the slightest of attempts to make it less obvious

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I remember DonbassCZ (same guy I think) kicking up on steam about it if I remember right

echo orchid Jul 10, 2018, 1:59 PM

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why they wouldn’t have made even the slightest of attempts to make it less obvious
wrong mindset ^^

faint nacelle Jul 10, 2018, 2:00 PM

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RobberJoe is definitely trustworthy nickname

echo orchid Jul 10, 2018, 2:01 PM

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😄

stoic beacon Jul 10, 2018, 3:18 PM

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You can contact Yura himself about this, he's still around. I don't remember his Steam, but he looks at his emails quite frequently. Lemme see if I find it

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yurapetrov@mail.ru

soft egret Jul 10, 2018, 3:21 PM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/171108-people-profiting-from-donation-servers-with-ingame-rewards/?tab=comments#comment-2671880
Its just the beginning my friend. :( True words.. 4 years ago

carmine folio Jul 10, 2018, 3:43 PM

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RobertHammer stuff https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1286798168

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( @blazing wyvern ? )

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https://i.imgur.com/NM4B6zL.png

snow bloom Jul 10, 2018, 3:49 PM

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@echo orchid it was more my astonishment of their stupidity 😛

soft egret Jul 10, 2018, 6:51 PM

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https://s.sqf.ovh/thunderbird_2018-07-10_20-52-05.png
That's something. Although I don't necessarily like the "until"

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Wonder how much time they have now to follow.
They might just play the "Oh.. Didn't know because I didn't get that mail" game

coral torrent Jul 10, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Well at least that is something I guess

tawny sentinel Jul 10, 2018, 7:58 PM

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BI legal team found a piece of their vertebral column apparently

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 8:04 PM

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“revoked monetization approval ... untill ...“
So they'te getting it back...?

soft egret Jul 10, 2018, 8:06 PM

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Yep. as soon as they remove TFAR.

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So MELB, SFP, BNAE, HLC doesn't matter apparently

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 8:16 PM

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So one can f**k up and face no consequences. Awsome! Let's start selling mods until we get a slap on the fingers and then play the repeate game

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/s

soft egret Jul 10, 2018, 8:17 PM

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And he is right now in his stream talking about how people buy reserve slots. Which he cannot even do anymore..
They probably got a week or so from BI to stop monetizing

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 8:18 PM

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BI, you played yourself... once again...

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I guess the time is about right to play the “remove all major mods from workshop / other sources for a week to get more focus on this“ card

soft egret Jul 10, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Maybe they are lucky and psisyn say "ah.. screw it. We don't want monetization anyway"

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 8:30 PM

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LOOOL

faint nacelle Jul 10, 2018, 8:32 PM

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and then they just keep going as they are...

mint edge Jul 10, 2018, 9:20 PM

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@dull moon i have 220k total subs across all my public mods ready when you are!!

paper prawn Jul 10, 2018, 10:20 PM

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I'd say permanently remove mods until they are permanently demonetized

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 10:42 PM

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a statement like this (removing mods for a week) needs many mods, like CBA, CUP, RHS, TFAR, ACE, NiArms, JSRS, Enhanced _*, RH... as many as possible.
guess what shitstorm this would cause...?

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@mint edge

grand oyster Jul 10, 2018, 10:43 PM

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A massive one, definitely would be an interesting watch

fossil basalt Jul 10, 2018, 10:43 PM

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It needs to be a concerted effort across the board

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 10:43 PM

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exactly

mint edge Jul 10, 2018, 10:43 PM

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im perfectly fine with screwing my server over for even a few weeks as long as something comes out of it 😒

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 10:44 PM

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especially if it hit's a weekend @fossil basalt

mint edge Jul 10, 2018, 10:44 PM

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its just dumb that it would even need to come to that lol, nobody wants to be that guy that goes on strike

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 10:45 PM

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well... sure...
but take a look at the past of real life history

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it only works like that

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sadly

fossil basalt Jul 10, 2018, 10:46 PM

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To paraphrase Martin Niemoller:

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— 
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— 
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.```

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 10:46 PM

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☝

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no better quote for that

fossil basalt Jul 10, 2018, 10:46 PM

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the same could be applied to a lack of solidarity with modding (minus the Holocaust of course)

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If you hold out because "my server will suffer", you will indeed suffer, in the long run, but not for the reasons you think.

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Those are my words of wisdom for the night, off to bed. ☮

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 10:49 PM

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gn8

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o7

paper prawn Jul 10, 2018, 10:57 PM

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As a non-monetized server owner I support any action mod devs take to protect their IP tbh. Better that than we lose a whole load more mod devs from the community

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 10:58 PM

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Better that than we lose a whole load more mod devs from the community
a shit ton of devs are tired of this and consider quitting arma modding for good. tbh, i'm one of those

paper prawn Jul 10, 2018, 10:58 PM

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Please don

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Don't

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Most of us server owners really appreciate the work you guys do! Very much so. And most of us I'd say are pissed at these folks who provoke crises like these through their greed. Bohemia have to do the right thing here

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 11:05 PM

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one big deficit is the lack of information for the enduser. it's not like the information isn't there, but it's kinda hard to find it. i'm not a programmer or such, but i would say it's a nobrainer for devs to add a checkbox to the publisher like i have read all information about mod publishing on the workshop and hereby confirm that all content in this item is either mine, or i have written permission by the original autor. violating this will ban my steam account from playing this arma copy. [link to all needed information]

paper prawn Jul 10, 2018, 11:08 PM

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Get them to infiSTAR global ban them 😉

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 11:08 PM

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same goes for monetization...
illegal monetization (not approved): 4 week steam ban for the owners of the server
legal monetization but without mod autor permission: revoke of approval and also 4 week steam ban

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repeat offenders: full steam ban

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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like the french revolution... whoever did not comply got his head cut off

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(ok, a bit drastic, but you get the idea)

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i know, controlling and enforcing this takes a f**king huge efford and also menpower, but this is some basic stuff BI should have thought about before even consider to allow monetization.
also steam workshop. i love the workshop for mod distribution, and i was thankful we got it. but on the other hand, the lack of mechanisms for autors to protect their ip is just awful. sure, we have the posibility to DMCA a reupload, but what's next?

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a guy get's DMCAed, his item removed, but 5 days later he reuploads the same shit without consequences....

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all advice we get from BI and Valve is: get a lawery

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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ohohoh... i need to stop... my pulse is rising and i'm about to cross the "not more than 25 DMCAs a day" rule from Valve...

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Most of us server owners really appreciate the work you guys do!
the thing is, i'm not even actively modding anymore... my time is very limited, and i'm sort of wasting it with filing DMCAs, moving against illegal monetization (as far as possible) and just do witchhunting.
my last commit to our repository was 19-04-2018, and before that 20-12-2017...
i'm tired...

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@paper prawn

paper prawn Jul 10, 2018, 11:29 PM

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The only solution is to make Bohemia and Steam notice. Mod devs need to stand together on this. We've seen this before... Do not want to have the same thing happen as then or for it to happen again!

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 11:31 PM

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i'm very reluctant to instigate a strike on steam as we'd lose our hard-won subscribers

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however i would be happy to help write a letter to bohemia, which couldbe signed by all the main mod teams - if we get 50 or so on the list, wit ha subscriber number next to each one, maybe they would pay some attention?

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 11:33 PM

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happend before

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 11:33 PM

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and if that falls on deaf ears, a strike might be in order

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 11:34 PM

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Uro already wrote a letter and the outcome was like "we acknowledge the problem, stay tuned"

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...

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@olive sparrow
you are on the AMA discord, you can read it there

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the outcome was, that BI wrote a note in some sitrep for users to respect the autors rights...

errant drum Jul 10, 2018, 11:40 PM

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It is advised to collectively try to reach Bohemia peacefully before taking action. I agree with the letter route, perhaps posted and retweeted among many users, communities can also solicit their players to join the cause. Taking action, without everyone's agreement and cohesion, can only cause a sporadic misunderstood statement. 1 letter from 1 person is not enough. 1 letter from many people, many retweetes etc can be something more effective imo. Being drastic like that, no matter how big the lack of communication with Bohemia is, is not the ideal route.

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 11:40 PM

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ah ok chris 😦

paper prawn Jul 10, 2018, 11:41 PM

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Wouldn't lose me as an Unsung subscriber

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 11:41 PM

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my main suggestion i guess is to produce some very clear and concise points, with substantive (practical) actions

dull moon Jul 10, 2018, 11:43 PM

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@errant drum
it wasn't just 1 letter by 1 person, it was a letter signed by many mods

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i can't publish it here

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as much as i would like to

errant drum Jul 10, 2018, 11:46 PM

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See it like this: I have a big community, 6000 people on my discord and more than 2-300 new unique players joining my servers. If I have to close my servers for a day, a weekend or even a week, I could yes, join the cause, but what would that do? It could help it, but players who are ignorant about the matter will just lose interest and don't care. The good communities can easily rack up numbers to spread a louder message "threatening" to close/lose the servers because modders are tired. Point being is, don't involve only modders. Use communities, because at the end of the day modders, communities and players are what make Arma.

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@dull moon and I'm saying this because for example, the letter you mentioned. Is probably known to a small circle, and that's the effect it had in general, none, at least from a community or player perspective.

paper prawn Jul 10, 2018, 11:55 PM

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Never forgot the support you mod devs have from those of us in the community and the joy you have brought us!

olive sparrow Jul 10, 2018, 11:56 PM

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very good points

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:00 AM

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@errant drum
those are indeed good points
It could help it, but players who are ignorant about the matter will just lose interest and don't care.
same goes for both sides. "i'm playing on an illegal monetized server with ripped content... i got my reserved slot, i couln't care less about that."
it's not about targeting the playerbase ur subscribers, it's about targeting those who fuck shit up.
my view is a bit extreme, but as we say in german: wo gehobelt wird, fallen späne
or in more known quote: you can't fight a war without casualties

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i'm well aware that an action like this means loss of subscribers and a shitstorm

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 12:02 AM

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@dull moon let me stop you there

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I'm not concerned at all about subscribers

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:02 AM

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ok, then i got you wrong. sry

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 12:02 AM

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What I am concerned about is that we could potentially rack more numbers to spread the message from players, communities and mods all together

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:03 AM

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Yeah, agreed completely with Adam

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 12:03 AM

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Than just having a small click take it on themselves and leaving the rest ignorant of the facts

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Like we want to help you

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Let's organize, let's spread the message.

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Don't do it alone.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:03 AM

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I would never have run an ARMA3 server had it not been for the mods...

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Would have stayed on ARMA2 to this day

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:04 AM

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ok, so imagine the msg would spread all over the globe with an hge ammount of sympathy, what will the violaters think/do?

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 12:05 AM

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It's not about what they will do

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It's about us creating that new point of communication that over the year we failed to, because it has always been a small amount of people getting pissed and nothing done about it

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:06 AM

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Bohemia are the only ones who can do something. So write an open message to Bohemia signed by major mod devs threatening to remove the mods from Steam (not from your own sites). Give a delay before doing so. Make it public

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 12:06 AM

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And hey at least we can say we tried

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:06 AM

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Use every available means to get the message out there. We in the community can help if we have something to forward

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I DO NOT WANT THIS SHITE TO HAPPEN AGAIN. BEEN THROUGH IT ONCE ALREADY!

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:12 AM

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what's his server ip and name lads?

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this is important

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pass it over

wild pollen Jul 11, 2018, 12:13 AM

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Who?

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:13 AM

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psisyn

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the offending server in this discussion

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:14 AM

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They have an A3L and Exile server

wild pollen Jul 11, 2018, 12:14 AM

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just google psisyn and go to his website, all his server info is there

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:16 AM

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@paper prawn
from my pov it doesn't matter if the letter is public or not. like i said, we already sent one to BI, sort of signed by the major 5 and others. we also got a response, a long response, containing some good ideas and stuff. but nothing really happend. to breake it down: we got plans, stay tuned... that's all
@errant drum
as much as i like your idea about new stance on communication and handling this subject, it will fail... again...
before i even started to file DMCAs i tried the pollite way: talking to the guys first, clarifying the matter. some, like really only a hand full of guys followed my wishes and talked in the right manner to me, but the majority was like "fuck you, we do as we want". at some point it ended in threatening of physical violence and even murder. this was the point i quit playing nice. so much for my experience with "talking first"

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:16 AM

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PsiSyn Exile is 8.26.94.42 Port: 2302

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:16 AM

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https://psisyn.com/forums/forum/244-server-information/

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:17 AM

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and talking about psi, that's the best live example we have right now

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:17 AM

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u ca nsee on here they are selling reserved slots

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:19 AM

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PsiSyn Lakeside A3L is 158.69.120.213:2302

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:19 AM

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that's the next thing... they got their approval removed and are still monetizing... like WTF

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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sadly, words mean literaly nothing anymore in this world

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i'm going to bed now, my ulcerated stomach is ordering me to stop it for today

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:23 AM

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1 sec @soft egret

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abuse@ovh.ca
host company for both of his servers - if you email them with a DMCA request they will follow it through and his server will be shut down within 7 days of request being sent.
ns551496 is the machine that he is hosted on at OVH - quote this in the email.
IP's of the servers abusing content

158.69.120.213 - ns521144.ip-158-69-120.net
https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ABUSE3956-ARIN
abuse@ovh.ca

142.44.143.17 - ns551496.ip-142-44-143.net
https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ABUSE3956-ARIN
abuse@ovh.ca

8.26.94.42 - ns525476.ip-8-26-94.net
https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/IPADD5-ARIN
ipaddressing@level3.com

because content regulations are different in Canada so i would contact this email
based in Ireland
https://www.ovh.ie/abuse/
Abuse- OVH
Report of abuse and illegal content.
and they deal with Canada mainly

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:25 AM

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those are many one seconds 😉

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:25 AM

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End of the day, Bohemia is not enforcing the terms of the APL-SA license... maybe you need a license that will be enforced?

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If they won't enforce the APL-SA license then what use is it?

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:26 AM

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WHO will enforce it and HOW...
that's a major point in all this

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:27 AM

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Exactly... that's why something has to be done to persuade Bohemia to enforce this license. Otherwise good luck with getting people to mod DZSA - which they need

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Or ARMA4

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:28 AM

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I also just got his account closed at another major server provider

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:28 AM

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what?

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did i miss smth?

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:28 AM

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so he won't be getting hosted or sponsoredby them again.

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@soft egret hit up OVH with an email tomorrow

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we'll just hit every server host he uses.

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with a polite message / DMCA

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:30 AM

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oh, ok... this doesn't just sound like a battle, more like a full grown war.
i like it! 😄

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:31 AM

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Make War not ARMA?

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 12:31 AM

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is this a new Arma gamemode?

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:31 AM

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re-check my post above - changed tack slightly - hit the irish office for the server host, as the yare more likely t oresolve it quicker (EU law etc)

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I have a very good adviser on this stuff lol

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:32 AM

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who?

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ok, no... pls don't trigger me. if i also start to hit DMCAs on the provider, it will be a full day job

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:33 AM

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let's not drag him into the light

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there are not that many arma server providers.

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i'm good friends with several of the bigger companies

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:34 AM

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waiting for email from provider X saying: please do not file more then 25 DMCAs a day, pleeeeezzz

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:34 AM

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so they won't host him, or anyone else we report to them as abusing IP

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 12:35 AM

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no they will just bill you for that

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:35 AM

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it can be more simple. i just reported him to a friendly company who was a sponsor, and now they are not.

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:36 AM

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😈

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sneaky bastard 😄

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 12:36 AM

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@dull moon I was talking the other day about this

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Most of the server owners use ovh

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And u can super easy dmca ovh stuff

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:36 AM

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let's get on good terms with all of the major server companies

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and we can sort this guy out once and for all

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migrating his servers is gonna cause him pain

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:37 AM

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Rob, that is actually a fucking good idea.... why fighting the symtoms if you can get rid of the cancer at it's roots

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 12:37 AM

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hosts in dmca heaven, aka Easter Island servers

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:38 AM

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and if each time he migrates, sets up shop, lets his fans know, and redoes al lhis databases andwhatnot, then bam! he is closeddown again and has to migrate. after 3-4 times he won't bother any more.

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 12:38 AM

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See that's the spirit, finally some collab instead of ranting

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Although I said this the other day everyone ignored me cause the rant was real feelsbadman

faint nacelle Jul 11, 2018, 12:38 AM

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need proper bandwith for global player base

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cant just host anywhere

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:39 AM

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it helps to have some friends who run server hosting companies. the ycan explain easily how to sort things out

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:39 AM

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@errant drum
sorry i missed that

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 12:39 AM

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@faint nacelle no kappa in my phrase, thought it wasn't necessary 😂

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:39 AM

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kinda tough keeping track on here while at work

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:39 AM

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this is all part of a long term strategy to nail these ripping ne'er do wells

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if we do sort out this collective approach to IP rights i nthe coming year, we'll have built up a bit of pull with the server hosts

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:41 AM

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Rob, hereby you are crowned as the server provider ambassador 😂

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:41 AM

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so in an idea lworld we can publis ha list of mods the ycan police - if the customer wants it installed, they have to tick a box saying they won't monetize it.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:41 AM

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Still think that Bohemia needs to be on notice about the APL-SA...

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:41 AM

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i've already got one server host agreeing to pilot it

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if it works, and he's a big host, then i know one other i can convince to add it too.

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and we can also as a community if we rent servers, rent them or co-locate them with hosts who protect IP rights.

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so we could make a list of "responsible hosting companies"

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kinda like "responsible contractors" employed by local government etc

wild pollen Jul 11, 2018, 12:44 AM

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Still doesnt fix the issue of bohemia not enforcing it's own policies

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Bohemia has to enforce the APL-SA or remove it

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:47 AM

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BI has other worries, let's sort out this current offender together.

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we can nail the servers, and just keep nailing them, while making the issue clear to each provider

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:49 AM

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Roger that

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 12:50 AM

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see, if we had a decent warchest to use we could file a class action (a group of mod makers) and sue him for damages.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 12:53 AM

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Set up an NLF Mod Dev page 😉

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:08 AM

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While I agree with Eggbeast's approach at the moment, the issue with what you are thinking is that it only deals with a situation until a mod is removed. What you need to do is persuade BI to permanently remove monetization if someone uses mods that prohibit it... you may have won a battle but not the war. There still may only be one way to persuade Bohemia to do the right thing - but you have time to organize for that now. And the approach of building relationships with server providers to blacklist IP violators is a good thing to tbh

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:28 AM

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Has anyone considered going to Twitch about him?

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pretty sure it's breaching section 9 of the TOS

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:31 AM

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And YouTube

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I guess one thing I do not understand is Bohemia produce the APL-SA license... which says no monetization. Why do they allow servers on their monetized list that have APL-SA licensed mods... That does not make sense

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:34 AM

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because those servers usually bring more people to the game

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which requires them to buy a copy of arma

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as they forget that they're killing the modding community, which is the only reason people still play the game

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:34 AM

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Then you need a new license since Bohemia is not enforcing the one that provided for mod devs

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And 100% agreed. If this ends up like the last time then I'm done with ARMA too. And DZSA

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:36 AM

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Bohemia almost shot themselves in the foot with making arma 3 all futurey, and they seem unwilling to admit that it's the high quality mods that have allowed it to succeed at all

obsidian urchin Jul 11, 2018, 1:36 AM

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https://psisyn.com/forums/topic/24956-psisyn-monetization-issues-update/

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:36 AM

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100%. My servers do not use vanilla A3 military assets at all (except for a few handguns)

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"A contributer to the TFR code named Dedmen has shown distaste towards our mistake of not requesting monetization permission for TFR or our server for months now." So Dedmen is the problem... WTF?

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:38 AM

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bloody hell, he's using this to create a panic buy situation

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that greedy bastard

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The store items will be removed when Repentz is back to do so from his vacation

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:39 AM

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What?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:39 AM

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"The original creator of TFR (NKey) has no issue with the monetization of his mod from people, but also is not willing to say "I permit" or "I don't permit", so alas, since Dedmen did indeed contribute SOME code (I honestly don't know how much, but NKey is still the person who made the core TFR code I'm sure), he gets to decide who does and doesn't monetize the mod. If he doesn't like you, you're shit out of luck." Da fuq?

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:39 AM

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Oopsie owie.

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:39 AM

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And no, I said >towards our mistake of not requesting monetization permission for

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It was our mistake

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I admitted that

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I mean how is that false? It is up to Dedmen

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He doesn't like us

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:40 AM

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He released the mod under the APL-SA no-monetization did he not?

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:40 AM

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that's cool, so that's that

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Yes, I don't know the ins and outs of what that means, not going to even lie

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wait

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was it no monetization?

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I'm pretty sure it's not, is it?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:40 AM

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APL-SA is no monetization by default... first page of the license!

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:40 AM

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How do A3PL monetize then?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:41 AM

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Permission from the mod dev probably...

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:41 AM

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Did you... Follow our last conversation, at all?

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:41 AM

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I talked to Kane about it and he said NKey gave permission

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No need to be condescending fella.

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 1:41 AM

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a3pl, alrp, cg, I can go on

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:41 AM

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But that's what I meant G-Dog

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 1:41 AM

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it seems like a direct target

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:41 AM

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If permission is not given, that's that

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nothing can be done

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if there's anything you're upset by in my write up, let me know and I can try change it, I tried to just explain the situation in full

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that's all.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:43 AM

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Just seems like you're blaming Dedmen for your mistake... which if an honest mistake seems to be a shite thing to do. That's all

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:43 AM

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I'm not

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I admitted the mistake

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But ultimately it was Dedmen who witch hunted, not NKey

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:44 AM

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Witch hunted... hmm...

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:44 AM

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Yeah, pretty much

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:44 AM

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Getting an attitude vibe here

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:44 AM

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I'm not giving attitude

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:44 AM

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Witch hunted? He's simply enforcing his license.

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 1:44 AM

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I mean he is gathering other mod creators to demonitize us

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:44 AM

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I'm just giving you my opinion

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:44 AM

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everyone who violates APL-SA is a witch

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we burn them all

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:45 AM

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Good. You guys are happy when the shoe's on the other foot aren't you?

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:45 AM

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NKey didn't seem to give a fuck about his licence for years thou, let's be honest XD

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:45 AM

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no mod creators are being gathered to target everyone

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 1:45 AM

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so why is alrp, a3l, and cg not having these issues?

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:45 AM

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they most likely are

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you're only here protecting your jesus

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:45 AM

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Don't worry, I'm sure Dedmen will get to them too.

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 1:45 AM

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protecting?

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I am just here to understand why you guys cant just become civil and keep this game alive, being like this is only killing the small player base that arma 3 has left

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:46 AM

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Anyhow, Dedmen is simply enforcing the license of TFAR.

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:46 AM

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civil....

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:46 AM

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And that's fine, monetization is removed

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:46 AM

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civil is not making money off other people's hard work

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:46 AM

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all good

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:46 AM

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LOL. Travis, I'd rather your server died than we all lost the great mods that keep ARMA alive tbh

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:47 AM

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If Dedmen wanted money, we can give him it

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alas, it's not about money

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clearly

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:47 AM

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YES

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 1:47 AM

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^

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:47 AM

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that's the poinyt

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it's nothing to do with money

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it's about morals

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which are not being demonstrated

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:47 AM

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I don't know man

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 1:47 AM

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If I make a free asset, I would want it to be used.

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:48 AM

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You act like we were just giving modders/Bohemia the middle finger the entire time

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 1:48 AM

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why would you try to takedown a server that is day in and out promoting the mod even more?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:48 AM

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You gave Demen the finger for months according to your own words

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:48 AM

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Huh?

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Like I said

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:48 AM

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well you clearly didn't read any of the terms of use before you did it all

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:48 AM

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Stupid mistake

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:48 AM

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"A contributer to the TFR code named Dedmen has shown distaste towards our mistake of not requesting monetization permission for TFR or our server for months now."

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:48 AM

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but I legit didn't realize permission was required

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Has shown distaste... And, yeah, right!

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Yes, I learnt that this has been an issue for months just a few weeks ago

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 1:49 AM

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So why not contact the server owner personally?

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:49 AM

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why did Dedmen not contact us instead of complaining on a Discord?

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:49 AM

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@carmine folio And that's cool. But as a creator, you have the ability to attach certain conditions to how your mod is used. Arma public share alike is standard practice.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Your message basically say "he's a cunt, we have to deal with it"... not gonna get much sympathy on that one

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:49 AM

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stupid mistake is the first time you do it, not checking all your mods afterwords is ignorance with a purpose

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:49 AM

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That was not my plan, but roger.

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I don't add/remove mods

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 1:50 AM

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when we found out which mods were violating, we removed them

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all you have to use is words

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:50 AM

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@scarlet osprey I contacted Repentz months ago on behalf of Toadie2K about the inclusion of HLC into your modpack.

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 1:50 AM

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which these mod creators are not doing

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:50 AM

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Well then maybe you should take more accountability for what you put your name to

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:50 AM

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Months ago

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:50 AM

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I apologize if Repentz is not cooperative with you @tawny sentinel

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but that is Repentz, not me

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I had no knowledge of this.

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I guess so @frail flint, I can agree with that

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Again, apologies for that Volvo, but like I said, I didn't know of this ever happening.

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:54 AM

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Okay, so you simulatinously claim ignorance, but at the same time say that creators did not attempt to contact people who run the server with your name on it, when I have done exactly that to no avail. Is Repentz not someone who does work on your server? Is it exclusively you who would should contact, despite you saying you are no longer involved in running the community? Surely you must see the absurd amount of irony in this.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:55 AM

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And they have prior: About 2 weeks ago, you might have noticed the store section for Exile was removed from our site. This was due to Chernarus 2035 and another addon not allowing us to monetize, Bohemia requested that we stop monetizing it, so we did. Exile was operating purely based off of server donations at this point. With our total server costs looking around $500 ($150 for Exile box, $150 for Life, and $195 for website, repo and TS), that's fine, the Life server would cover the unreliability of donations.

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:55 AM

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The argument you seem to be using is entirely circular since it depends on facts that you yourself have disputed.

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:56 AM

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I mean you said you messaged months ago, I wish you did contact me.

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Repentz certainly does have a way of ignoring people, most of those people come to me after being ignored.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:56 AM

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So two weeks ago you knew...

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:56 AM

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Knew what?

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So yeah, that sucks, and I do certainly hold some responsibility, but I did not ignore you ultimately, someone else did

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:56 AM

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And Volvo messaged a while ago and your message said that Dedmen had been repeatedly on to you

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:57 AM

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Someone else did

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Your argument is entirely circular

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:57 AM

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I mean because you're placing blame on me

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for something I didn't do

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like what?

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I'm apologizing for something I didn't even do

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:57 AM

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as I said earlier, and you agreed

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:58 AM

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If someone is an "community director", is it unreasonable for me to expect him to forward concerns to the other parts of the development team?

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:58 AM

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you're responsible if your name is on it

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 1:58 AM

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It is reasonable, but if they don't, how is that my fault?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:58 AM

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Again... we would rather see a server die a death than lose our mods! The mods keep ARMA alive not you!

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:58 AM

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I'm not blaming you individually.

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 1:59 AM

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You should should know what people you work with are doing, even at a base level

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it's basic corporate responsibility

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:59 AM

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And tbh... that was one of the shittiest apologies I've ever seen

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 1:59 AM

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I just dont know why this community cant just be a happy family

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 1:59 AM

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More a "Dedmen is a bastard and caused all this" than an apology

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Travis... cause our community was almost destroyed last time

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 2:00 AM

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I just apologized to Flying personally, if it's an apology you wish me to add, I'm on it.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:00 AM

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And we're not going through that again

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:00 AM

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But I am saying that it's unreasonable for you to somehow put blame on the creator community due to your staff not bringing attention to matters that should have been forwarded to the appropriate people. It's an management issue, not the fault of the creator community who is "witch hunting" you.

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 2:01 AM

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I again apologize to Dedmen for not seeking out permission at an earlier date, ignorance isn't a very good excuse for this, but it's all I have.

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Added to the post

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:01 AM

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"our community"?

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:01 AM

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@carmine folio I'm not sure you're aware but a large number of significant contributors to the game has left over the last few years due to exactly this sort of conduct

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:01 AM

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Don't apologize to me. You have no reason to. Apologize to Toadie2K on Twitter and make sure HLC is not included in your modpacks. If you're feeling extra sorry, she has a patreon you can contribute to.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:02 AM

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Not yours obviously. Mine is the ARMA3 community (and ARMA2, our good buds)

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:02 AM

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this and other intellectual rights issues

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:02 AM

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Ever wondered why it took so long for great mods to be on Steam... and why some still are not... cause of this bullshit behaviour!

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 2:03 AM

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If Toadie wishes to personally reach out to me, I can give some money through PP, I'd rather not through Patreon

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:03 AM

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...

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:03 AM

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Just LOL

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:03 AM

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It shouldn't be on the content creator to reach to you

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you should be begging forgiveness

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 2:03 AM

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I never said it was on them, I just don't want to use Patreon

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:03 AM

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I don't think you understand what I'm saying. It's not an transaction.

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:03 AM

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for making money off someone else's hard work

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:04 AM

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They just do not get it. They do not think that they did anything wrong...

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 2:04 AM

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I just offered money to the mod creator, no?

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I don't get you guys, I really don't

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:04 AM

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Exactly

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:05 AM

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I know you don't

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:05 AM

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@soft egret

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:05 AM

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Don't conflate me with the others. They do not speak for me.

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 2:05 AM

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Sorry, all the white names hurt my eyes

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:07 AM

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Right so you get mad when people make money off your work, but when money is offered you deny it?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:07 AM

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Response to your post on your forum from an admin: I mean, dedmens point is completely invalid, he wants/wanted us to downgrade the TFR (TFAR) version to before he contributed, but it's a 'trap', he has been contributing since 2015 (https://i.imgur.com/zjiQCCN.png), which means it's an extremely outdated, and probably broken version. Not just that, if we were to go to an earlier version he'd probably just say the same thing "I contributed to this version, i want it removed", the rest of ArmA literally HATES life servers (even though we're the ones keeping it semi-alive), which is the most triggering thing, they're literally witch-hunting us on the ArmA Discord, it's pathetic.

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:07 AM

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but then you say its not about the money

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so what is it?

scarlet osprey Jul 11, 2018, 2:07 AM

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I seen it G-Dog, that's his opinion, which he's entitled to

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Anyway, whoever contacted Repentz on behalf of Toadie (I forgot your name sorry), feel free to get her to reach out to me (takes 2 minutes) if she wants to. Have a good night guys.

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:08 AM

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That's alright. My intent is not to convey that "If you give money to Toadie, she will do X", but rather that "If you want to, you can apologize to her on Twitter and make sure HLC is not included in your mod pack, and if you want, she has a patreon you can contribute to, but not under the guise of any extra benefits for your server or whatever". The last part is completely voluntary.

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:08 AM

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@paper prawn I am glad you are a active member of our community, make sure to update your mods!

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:09 AM

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And I am entitled to express my opinion, which is to support the mod developers who have made ARMA3 what it is and prevent anyone from pissing them off so much that they stop contributing. Which they have done before... so many good devs lost last time

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I'm not on your community @carmine folio

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:10 AM

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so what is this "last time"?

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I am assuming the 1944 battle of a3l

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:10 AM

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LOL. Wait one

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:10 AM

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I believe he is referencing the whole debacle with Caden in 2014-ish.

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:11 AM

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What was the issue with caiden?

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:11 AM

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Witch hunt intensifies

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:11 AM

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As I can see, a3l still uses tfr.

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:11 AM

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And Dedmen will get to them too.

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:11 AM

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Many Arma 3 servers use TFR

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:11 AM

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Like I said.

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:11 AM

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How do you know?

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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Witch hunt implies people haven't done anything wrong

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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Yep, that's the one Volvo

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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Because I know Dedmen is consistent in what he does?

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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thats not what it means

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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...

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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In that he claims people stop using a mod that he wrote a couple of lines of code for back in 2015

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Lol

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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it comes from the medieval era when people were accused of being witches

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:12 AM

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Witch hunt meaning that it seems like you are intentionally trying to fuck us over.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Keep digging the hole guys...

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:13 AM

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seeing you keep refreshing the page every 5 secs

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you would be considered one of those.

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:13 AM

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You obviously have a very nuanced view of licenses and how Arma public share alike works @supple abyss

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Mod devs will be back in the morning and looking through the thread

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Sure im just saying Dedmen hasnt done shit for the mod

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:13 AM

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...

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Keep digging and the hole will get deeper

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:13 AM

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Then you are hilariously wrong.

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:14 AM

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Am i? I believe Nkey made the mod

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And that Dedmen wrote a couple of lines of code back in 2015

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https://i.imgur.com/zjiQCCN.png

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:15 AM

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https://github.com/michail-nikolaev/task-force-arma-3-radio/commits?author=dedmen

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Have a look at what he's done

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Sure, he's done stuff

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But honestly, he hasn't done as much as NKey

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https://gyazo.com/3a82da8a5f14bd3ae6c4312d08d3cae7

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:15 AM

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The last thing he did in 2017 was write 2 lines of code and change one

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:15 AM

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since the last release

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Have you checked the 1.0 branch?

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:16 AM

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NKey is the main contributor, why is a guy that has pushed 28 commits the one that determines who can use the mod?

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:16 AM

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well he's most likely done more than anyone in your community, so I'd say he has a right to say you can't use it

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Latest commit was * 7 hours* ago

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:16 AM

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The PsiSyn Community isn't using 1.0

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afaik

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Not my point.

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Nkey should make the decision and if he doesnt care about either option then why make it an issue?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:16 AM

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Is this just the community coming in here to try and tarnish someone who is responsible for commits in the TFAR github. Cause again, keep digging guys

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:17 AM

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100%, NKey should make the choice

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:17 AM

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Dedmen didnt upload the mod and he sure as shit hasnt done as much for it as Nkey

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:17 AM

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@paper prawn seems so

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:17 AM

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just saying, @supple abyss is not affiliated with us.

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:17 AM

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Dedmen is the current maintainer of TFAR, and as far as I know, he has the discretion to enforce the license.

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:17 AM

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@paper prawn i'm not sitting here and trying to diminish his rep, i'm just pointing out. He's not the sole creator of the mod, hence it should be up to NKey to make the choice, as he is the original creator

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:17 AM

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Yeah im not

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:17 AM

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so anything he says is from him

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:17 AM

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Im a concerned citizen 😛

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:17 AM

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but I appreciate having an open thought

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:18 AM

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I'd wait til NKey gets here cause given he allows Dedmen to commit github changes he may not really like what y'all are saying

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:18 AM

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I dont think he told Dedmen to witchhunt down servers and not allow them to monetize

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:18 AM

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And if you think that they don't talk to each other... well... I'd say you may be wrong

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:18 AM

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He is simply enforcing the license that the original creators had. As far as I know, he has not changed any parts of the license since becoming an developer.

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:18 AM

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I mean, we have attempted to reach the sole contributor of the mod but it seems he is very hard to get in contact with.

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:19 AM

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Again with witch-hunt.. I don't think that means what you think it means.

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:19 AM

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I mean, as @scarlet osprey stated, NKey essentially said he doesn't care, never said yes, never said no.

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:19 AM

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What?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:19 AM

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I am seriously LMFAO at the stupidest response to this situation that could be imagined

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:19 AM

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@carmine folio I mean Nkey is from belarus the KGB might have shot him lmao

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:19 AM

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Never said no... was he asked?

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:19 AM

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Apparently, yes

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:20 AM

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No, he hasn't given any indications on what he thinks, because he doesn't know about this issue even existing.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:20 AM

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Like they asked Toadie?

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:20 AM

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How can you give an opinion on something that you don't know exists?

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:20 AM

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The original creator of TFR (NKey) has no issue with the monetization of his mod from people, but also is not willing to say "I permit" or "I don't permit"

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:20 AM

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Or the SFP folks

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:20 AM

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Taken directly from PsiSyns post

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:20 AM

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Or the BNAE folks

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:20 AM

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Did Toadie enforce a license or has stated she has an issue with it? i wasnt aware

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:21 AM

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We're they asked

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:21 AM

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Why is this now a issue?

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and why is it only the biggest server getting attacked?

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:21 AM

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Because it's come to the creators attention.

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:21 AM

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...

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:21 AM

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what about all these small servers?

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:21 AM

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Its not im simply confused since if she hasnt stated she cares then does that imply that they must ask for permission to use all mods?

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:21 AM

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think that through for a minute

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:21 AM

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its not about the money I thought?

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:21 AM

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Because no-one else does that

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:21 AM

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TFAR, SFP, MELB, BNAE... not just one dev

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:21 AM

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and you'll answer your own question

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:22 AM

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@supple abyss Yes, because that's the agreement that you agree to when going under Bohemia interactive's monetized servers list.

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:22 AM

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"We have gotten away with this for so long, why can't we continue???"" Was that really just asked?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:22 AM

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And this thread cannot be erased... and that will not reflect well on your community

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:22 AM

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I guess so

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:23 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl3962mdzFM - hmm @5:30

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:23 AM

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@tawny sentinel Can you link somewhere that states that

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Id like to see before i trust you on that one

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:23 AM

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Coming from toadie?

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:23 AM

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https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/faq#!#c8

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:23 AM

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Go read the monetization license.

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:24 AM

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link?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:24 AM

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You may, but ONLY if you have proper permission from all of the authors of such mods. Monetizing without it contravenes our licenses.```

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He sent you the link

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Cannot be clearer than that

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:25 AM

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Well i guess its not an excuse then

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:25 AM

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why is this stuff not checked before a server is monitized?

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Making these issues?

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:26 AM

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license is given then people add things

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:26 AM

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not true, tfar has been in for ages

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they did not say a word

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:26 AM

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TFAR has been in since their original server in Nov of 2017

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:26 AM

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Mods are added without the approval of BI, they have no part of making sure you agree to the license you signed and making sure you keep your part of it.

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:26 AM

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Well i cant wait to see Dedmen so after ALRP and A3L then

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:26 AM

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if they knew it had such a license and he is going after people dont you think they would check that

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:26 AM

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when they applied, they told BI they had permission

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:26 AM

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if he really was going after everyone?

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They never said they had permission

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LOL

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:27 AM

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it's part of the TOS of applying for monetisation

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you literally have to agree

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:27 AM

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Simple FAQ... 12 items... one of which is On my server I am using mods created by other people. May I get approval to monetize? You may, but ONLY if you have proper permission from all of the authors of such mods. Monetizing without it contravenes our licenses.

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It is not difficult

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:28 AM

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ok

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:28 AM

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except it apparently is.

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:28 AM

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you dont need to repost

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I get it

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:28 AM

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BI do not babysit your FTP server to make sure you agree to the agreement you signed.

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:28 AM

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I still dont see why Dedmen gets to decide and not Nkey

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:28 AM

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because you are using his intellectual property

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:28 AM

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Your right they dont, only people from this discord do

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:28 AM

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I guess they read it as when we apply we have to agree but afterwards we can add what we like...?

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:28 AM

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Its not his though its Nkey's Property

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:29 AM

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No...

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:29 AM

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He has created the majority of it and is the publisher

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:29 AM

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god it's like playing chess with a pigeon

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:29 AM

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On my server I am using mods created by other people. May I get approval to monetize?
~~You may, but ONLY if you have proper permission from all of the authors of such mods. Monetizing without it contravenes our licenses.~~ Whatever bois, I do what I want

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:29 AM

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no matter what you do they still shit on the board and knock over the peices

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:29 AM

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The questions isnt whether or not its allowed its whether or not Dedmen should decide

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Nkey is the main creator and the publisher is he not?

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:29 AM

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Did dedmen work on the mod?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:29 AM

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W.T.F.?

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:30 AM

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Then dedmen gets to decide

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:30 AM

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He commits the releases on Github you moron!

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:30 AM

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NKey commits the releases

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:30 AM

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He is part of their dev team!

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:30 AM

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up until 0.9.12

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thats the first one dedmen di

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:30 AM

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pigeon chess

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:30 AM

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Really? so if i get access from Nkey to the Github and post one line of code shouldnt i just take down all arma 3 servers?

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:30 AM

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ahahaha

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:31 AM

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As Travis states Nkey commites the one the server uses

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:31 AM

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so if one contributor has a issue they decide if the mod should go poof?

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:31 AM

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Commit permission implies a significant trust or involvement in the project.

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:31 AM

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Not Dedmen

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:31 AM

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i'm sure if you could provide anything of value, you'd understand why this is an issue

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:31 AM

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Not poof. Just can't monetize

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:31 AM

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http://radio.task-force.ru/en/

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The official Maintainers NKey and Dedmen are exempt from this rule.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:32 AM

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I cannot post the image here...

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And ^^^

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:32 AM

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@errant drum My sides have left the observable universe

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:32 AM

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Keep fucking digging the hole guys - maybe this will even make Bohemia notice

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:32 AM

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The fact of the matter is that Nkey Commits the one the server uses and Dedmen Commits the new one

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:32 AM

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are you saying you are ded.... men?

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:32 AM

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O O F

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:32 AM

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how is a server suppose to survive without monetization? sell online lemonade?

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:32 AM

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Lmao

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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ROFL

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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should I turn into chapo?

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like what do you expect

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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You could sell kiddie porn to chapo

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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Wait wait

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I am not done

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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a server cost money

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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overviewFootnote = "<br /><br /><t color='#999999'>This content is under APL-SA License.<t />";

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APL-SA License

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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YIKES BUDDY

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LOL

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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@mint edge @errant drum These guys don't know how a server SURVIVES without monetization...

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/arma-public-license-share-alike

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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it's called having a community

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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Noncommercial - You may not use this material for any commercial purposes.

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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Why not just get permission for the mods you use... or don't use ones you do not have permission for. Then you are golden

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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big ben you look pretty buff

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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you donate to maintain, no special stuff

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:33 AM

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whats your workout plan?

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Travis, I can forsee your future on this discord

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And it's short

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:34 AM

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pigeon chess

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:34 AM

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what do you mean?

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:34 AM

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I eat midgets. Good protein

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Oh I thought you eat servers while you claim them

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Lol

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Drink the pain of the people that lost their servers

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Massive O O F

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Got a feeling PsiSyn may regret sending his minions here by the morning if this continues

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:35 AM

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Minions?

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:35 AM

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you are aware that the longest running servers are non-monetized

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:35 AM

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I dont even play there

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:35 AM

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My mod allows monetization. I just respect the rights of mod makers that don't wish their mods monetized.

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:35 AM

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because they're kept alive by a more stable player base

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:35 AM

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I don't think he was mentioning you specifically

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:35 AM

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people wonder why mod creators have been alienated

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:36 AM

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<--- Has biggest A3 Community discord, does not monetize

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nicememe

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:36 AM

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Really makes you think

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🤔

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:36 AM

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Magic

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:36 AM

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<--- Has a small A3 Community discord, but also does not monetize

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:36 AM

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Mike called you a tryhard Adam

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:37 AM

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BigBen Mike can call me names

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He knows I'm smarter anyways

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😛

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:37 AM

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What is the capital of Europe

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:37 AM

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England

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:37 AM

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^^^

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:37 AM

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💯

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:37 AM

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rule britannia plays faintly

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:37 AM

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@paper prawn who are you?

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:38 AM

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It's coming home!

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:38 AM

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he's who you should want to be

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:38 AM

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I've got my sources @hallow lark , I don't need google

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isn't the capital like england or something
that city```

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:38 AM

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ROFL

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:38 AM

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That was painful

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:38 AM

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England is my fav city to live in

bold umbra Jul 11, 2018, 2:38 AM

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👀

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Yikes

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:38 AM

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So, now this discussion (which achieved nothing btw!) has ended, do you guys think England is going to win the world cup?

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Aaannnnddd this convo is done. Put a fork in it boyz

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Eh

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:38 AM

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Bloody hell... Root's here... lock up your sons!

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Croatia has had a good run

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Whos Root?

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Whos Root?

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Root b gay

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Hopefully you will never have to find out

bold umbra Jul 11, 2018, 2:40 AM

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Hey, what’re you saying I’m a nice guy

supple abyss Jul 11, 2018, 2:40 AM

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OH SHIT

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SCRAMBLE

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:40 AM

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Oh god

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I'm out

bold umbra Jul 11, 2018, 2:40 AM

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🤷‍♀️

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 2:40 AM

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That picture

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 2:40 AM

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lol

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 2:51 AM

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@hallow lark I am going to need that workout plan still

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 2:52 AM

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About 2 weeks ago, you might have noticed the store section for Exile was removed from our site. This was due to Chernarus 2035 and another addon not allowing us to monetize, Bohemia requested that we stop monetizing it, so we did. Exile was operating purely based off of server donations at this point. With our total server costs looking around $500 ($150 for Exile box, $150 for Life, and $195 for website, repo and TS), that's fine, the Life server would cover the unreliability of donations.```

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Implying they had permission to monetize Exile from Eichi

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 2:53 AM

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195$ a month for website and TS, 150$ for a dedi for 1 server

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Are those server in Saudi Arabia ?

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 2:55 AM

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Hey Centurion, you part of that group Fury runs?

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Asshole Army or something?

frail flint Jul 11, 2018, 2:59 AM

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it's a lot for a website, weirder that they're not using their server boxes to host their repo's as wel

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 3:00 AM

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@errant drum nah they must be in australia

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 3:00 AM

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@scenic swallow they use OVH

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I can sees that

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I have the powers

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 3:01 AM

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@errant drum whois.domaintools.com 😛

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 3:03 AM

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Shhh

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 3:03 AM

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I'll keep your secret safe, don't you worry 😉

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 3:09 AM

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I'm guessing the unnamed mod that they did not have permission to run on their Exile server was Exile acer...

coral tendon Jul 11, 2018, 4:11 AM

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Well that was an interesting read

wild pollen Jul 11, 2018, 4:15 AM

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Thonk

leaden ore Jul 11, 2018, 4:22 AM

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uhh

fossil basalt Jul 11, 2018, 4:53 AM

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So, now that I've had to troll through the "but I didn't know" BS, let me be very clear:

Without EXPLICIT CONSENT from a mod maker (or Mod makers in the case of NKEY and Dedmen as well as others) you are PROHIBITED from monetising the work of others. Then and only then, with actual consent in hand, are you permitted to seek server monetisation approval from Bohemia.

Taken directly from the Server monitisation FAQ:


You may, but ONLY if you have proper permission from all of the authors of such mods. Monetizing without it contravenes our licenses.```

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These have been the rules since DAY 1.

pliant oar Jul 11, 2018, 5:18 AM

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just finished reading of ^all that fuzz ... facepalm
i don't get why you blame creative content makers to defend theirs own licenses protecting theirs work / rights ...
they not the ones who break the rules (of good behaviour, IP rights, licenses ... )

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 6:57 AM

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TL;DR for those catching up this morning in european timezones: The server hosting companies have been contacted directly with a DMCA against offending servers, since BI's action on it was very very mild. (And the offender seemed to just ignore the warning/threat and continued with monetization)

snow bloom Jul 11, 2018, 7:07 AM

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Not a bad idea actually

manic violet Jul 11, 2018, 7:27 AM

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cant claim ignorance if you aren't ignorant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=116&v=gCE4WErcUIE < talks about how A3L didn't get permission to use TFAR - he knew the score and should have been on his 'team' from the start, there's no ignorance involved in this one particular instance.

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 7:28 AM

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Get them to infiSTAR global ban them I like that idea.. But that would mean infistar banning server owners from their own server 😄 That would hurt Infistar a lot.
@olive sparrow i'm very reluctant to instigate a strike on steam as we'd lose our hard-won subscribers Don't delete the item. Just upload a empty modfolder. Subscribers either stay.. Or go over to illegal reuploads.

We could make a petition. And add a popup in the Arma Main menu about it to lots of public mods. A petition with thousands of signers might be more incentive for BI.
And if we don't all do it the same way. People will have their main menu plastered with dozens of popups that they all have to click away manually.
Or maybe just add a general reminder for everyone. A message box that informs everyone about what you can/can't do on the steam workshop when they launch Arma. If BI doesn't wanna inform then we do it. And if users complain about it. Redirect them to BI.

@frail flint pretty sure it's breaching section 9 of the TOS You just need to watch half an hour of his stream to find something TOS violating. He yesterday said he'll unban someone on the lakeside server if he subscribes. That definetly sounds like that should be against TOS?

The original creator of TFR (NKey) has no issue with the monetization of his mod I know NKey's stance on this.

I talked to Kane about it and he said NKey gave permission Unlikely. Depends on how old A3PL is. NKey last gave monetiziation permission to a life server about 3 years ago.

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@carmine folio I mean he is gathering other mod creators to demonitize us I'm telling other mod creators that you illegally use their stuff. I'd say that's fair.

Again.. It's funny how you are again trying to push everything onto me. I didn't do anything but report that you violated tons of rules. Also not only my Mod. It's not my fault that you can't read.

when we found out which mods were violating, we removed them Sure.. You removed them right away. Ofcause. That's why you can still monetize now right?

@scarlet osprey >I again apologize to Dedmen for not seeking out permission at an earlier date, ignorance isn't a very good excuse for this, but it's all I have. You should apologize to BI for breaking their rules. Not to me.

If Toadie wishes to personally reach out to me, I can give some money through PP Seriously? You're trying to buy your way out of this?

I mean, dedmens point is completely invalid, he wants/wanted us to downgrade the TFR (TFAR) version to before he contributed Incorrect. PsiSyn wanted to do that, not me. And I said "good luck with that" because you still need NKey's permission.

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@carmine folio but then you say its not about the money so what is it? Follow the rules. Period.

@supple abyss In that he claims people stop using a mod that he wrote a couple of lines of code for back in 2015 You shouldn't talk if you don't know what you are talking about.

Witch hunt meaning that it seems like you are intentionally trying to fuck us over. You broke the rules dude. Not me. Also. I initially reported you because people told me about tons of other problems with you guys and I just wanted to help them. Which you can clearly see in my first message here about PsiSyn. "If you need more dirt on them, they are using TFAR without permission". This hasn't all started because of me. This has started because other mod makers were unhappy and I just wanted to help them.

@steady hare But honestly, he hasn't done as much as NKey That graph only shows master branch.... All development moves to 1.0 branch since mid 2016.

100%, NKey should make the choice He already did. I'm not deciding all this on my own you know..

I mean, as @PsiSyn stated, NKey essentially said he doesn't care, never said yes, never said no. incorrect. I know exactly what NKey wrote to BI. His last answer was "Look at all their past and current violations of your rules and decide on your own if they should be allowed to use monetize this mod. For all versions > 0.9.7.3 I think dedmen is legible to decide."
Which... Considering all your violations was kind of a "no" between the lines. But BI replied back and wanted a clear answer. I guess NKey didn't have time to write back yet.
@tawny sentinel read above. He does know.

@supple abyss Its not im simply confused since if she hasnt stated she cares then does that imply that they must ask for permission to use all mods? Exactly. You need to ask for permission explicitly. It's not allowed by default.

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And yeah. Thanks for reminding me. I'll get in contact with ALRP and RealLifeRPG right away. Don't know what A3L is. I will do the same as with PsiSyn. Look at their mod repository. And if I see violations I'll report them right away. And if not then I'll tell them nicely to request permission for TFAR.

Really? so if i get access from Nkey to the Github and post one line of code shouldnt i just take down all arma 3 servers? That's really not at all how it works @supple abyss Someone who changed a line and being the official maintainer are very different roles.

@carmine folio how is a server suppose to survive without monetization? sell online lemonade? really idiotic comment.. You can monetize if you follow the rules. Nothing stopping you.

With this whole endevour you are again showing how ineligible you are to run any monetized server. Instead of acknowledging your mistakes. You instead go the "cause panic and personally attack the guy you think is responsible" route.

Thanks for the TL;DR AFTER I read everything 🤦

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Also.. Good morning 👋
It's really sad to see all the talk of people where who don't actually know what they are talking about.. Weird enough they are mostly on the PsiSyn side.

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Btw.. Nkey can still decide if he wants to give you permission to monetize older TFAR versions.. He get's informed about everything that's going on. And digging yourself your own grave now might not be the best idea if you intent to return to running TFAR on a monetized server some day.

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 7:54 AM

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@soft egret if you keep finding MBG building stuff in there: Its not for monetization, so feel free to flag it for that as well. I checked the PsiSyn a3s and it does have all that in there.

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 7:56 AM

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Hey guys. Check #communities_arma3 HLC, RH, TFAR, MBG

river spear Jul 11, 2018, 7:56 AM

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@proud flicker Thanks for the recap, my scroll wheel started bursting into flames 👌

snow bloom Jul 11, 2018, 7:58 AM

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Just seen the VSM thread again, looks like people were investigating while it was locked

undone pier Jul 11, 2018, 7:59 AM

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see all the talk of people where who don't actually know what they are talking about.. Weird enough they are mostly on the PsiSyn side
well obviously his fans/minions will act on his statement about "you bad boyz"

you shouldnt forget that guy makes his living from streaming

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 8:01 AM

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I think I need to go back to modding OFP. None of this crap exists for that platform. 😠

undone pier Jul 11, 2018, 8:01 AM

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(plus all his shady and likely illegal behavior he has shown in the past)

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:04 AM

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@soft egret
Get them to infiSTAR global ban them I like that idea.. But that would mean infistar banning server owners from their own server smile That would hurt Infistar a lot.

Well. Repentz is global'd. But theres an option to whitelist people, or not use the global banlist altogether, so "banning server owners" isn't necessarily an issue.

compact timber Jul 11, 2018, 8:04 AM

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wow looks like its at the moment very extrem with the violations, shame on those minions who support those guys who are doing the violations.

undone pier Jul 11, 2018, 8:05 AM

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at the end of the day only a big PR problem will have BI and more so Valve force to act, or to give them a bigger financial interest to the current additional copies sold for A3 (ie paid mods, premium third party DLC)

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:05 AM

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We do have the option to shut off their license though, which we actually have in the past.

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 8:06 AM

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oh wow

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just checked cg_emswheelchair.pbo

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which is in every a3l modpack

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it just contains sfp_wheelchair.p3d

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😦

undone pier Jul 11, 2018, 8:06 AM

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or maybe to go that route with a new platform to sell mods without BI/Valve - tricky to pull off though

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 8:08 AM

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And easy to block from BI's side. I dont believe that it would go far.

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:08 AM

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Nah, wouldn't work to well

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:08 AM

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😂

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:09 AM

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Hiya Mittens

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:09 AM

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👋

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I've just spent the last 10 minutes catching up

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:09 AM

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Issa clusterfuck innit?

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 8:09 AM

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I've spent like an hour. How are you so quick?

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 8:09 AM

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class sfp_wheelchair: B_Quadbike_01_F {
        author = "CG Life";
        vehicleclass = "cg_emswheelchair";
        crew = "C_man_1";
        driverAction = "sfp_wheelchair_driver";

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:/

balmy lodge Jul 11, 2018, 8:09 AM

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🤔

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:09 AM

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I managed to catch it at the start, I haven't gone overly far back though

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 8:09 AM

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Well. Lots of upcoming work for SFP guys I guess

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:10 AM

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Repentz is

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 8:10 AM

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@scenic swallow #rules 😉

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:10 AM

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Derp

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Fair

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:10 AM

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read em before ban pls

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 8:10 AM

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The audactiy behind that. Thats the real shit. They know full well what they are doing here.

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:10 AM

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But we know its true lol

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:10 AM

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I'm extremely interested to see where this all ends up going

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 8:10 AM

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And to think I'll be handing them the basis for an 80s life mod. 🤢

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 8:11 AM

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Interesting.. If I log in on PsiSyn.com.. I cannot use the forum anymore. Every page redirects to https://i.imgflip.com/s9mmv.jpg

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:12 AM

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😂

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 8:12 AM

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Clearly interested in resolving the situation, then. 😃

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:12 AM

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Can you view it in incognito? You were probably b&

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 8:12 AM

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logged out works

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:12 AM

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Ah

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:12 AM

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log in 😉

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 8:13 AM

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Just wanted to clarify the lies people are answering there.. But I guess it's not supposed to be ¯_(ツ)_/¯

compact timber Jul 11, 2018, 8:14 AM

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sadly there is now way like scripting, mod stop working if is life server ? 😄

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:14 AM

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Anyways. Yea. The infistar global ban option isn't really effective as you said, but only because of the reason i outlined above

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:14 AM

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@scenic swallow That'd be a legitimate laugh though

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Could you imagine the amount of tickets and people asking why they're banned?

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:15 AM

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I mean Mittens, Repentz is already global'd

balmy lodge Jul 11, 2018, 8:15 AM

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Borris, it kinda is

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:15 AM

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🤣

balmy lodge Jul 11, 2018, 8:15 AM

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Since alot of people are using the tonic framework 🤔

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:15 AM

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I remember he is

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:15 AM

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I fucking hate that ticket system dont get me started

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:15 AM

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oof

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:15 AM

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Maybe if we ban lewis mid stream :^)

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:16 AM

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I'd be dying of laughter

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He'd then be restricted to his servers or seeking whitelisting beforehand

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:16 AM

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SURPRISE

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:17 AM

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I do wonder if that'd be bit of a wake up call

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:18 AM

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It would probably take a few minutes to realise what happened and how to fix it too 😂

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:18 AM

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iirc They already whitelisted globalled people 😛

scenic swallow Jul 11, 2018, 8:19 AM

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Yea, but hed be newly listed, which means theyd have to add the uid to the array and restart the server

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:20 AM

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two minutes later

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done

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 8:20 AM

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Don't get too #offtopic_arma. Want others to see the more important talk up top ^^

grand oyster Jul 11, 2018, 8:20 AM

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#offtopic_arma 👀

undone pier Jul 11, 2018, 8:46 AM

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@proud flicker if it were easy to block from BI side, why arent they doing it so far?

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 8:54 AM

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That is the question we are wondering about.

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 8:54 AM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/217488-project-zenithvsm/?do=findComment&comment=3298773
VSM mods are not allowed anywhere anymore. Beware

prisma scaffold Jul 11, 2018, 8:55 AM

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@soft egret Bit tired to catch up, but I assume based on that re-direct you put in some action on the hosting side?

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 8:56 AM

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I didn't do anything yet. But it seems like other people did it for me

prisma scaffold Jul 11, 2018, 8:56 AM

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Welp, find them and join them.

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It's clear they like to weasel their way out of any strikes. Might as well pile in the evidence! ^-^

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 9:01 AM

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Already have new stuff ready to report them. Only way for them to circumvent this is to go through every single one of their mods they use and get permission. If they don't I'll report them immediately after they are allowed to monetize again. If that happens someday.

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 9:01 AM

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What if they continue monetizing without permission to monetize?

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 9:01 AM

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Then BI has to block their server.

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 9:02 AM

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Has BI ever done such a thing?

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 9:02 AM

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They said they won't stop till repentz comes back from vacation.. But I doubt that he is the only one who can disable a single web page.

They already got a red card from BI now. I guess when they get the next yellow card right after they are back. BI might finally shut them down for good...

prisma scaffold Jul 11, 2018, 9:02 AM

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If your asking how far will it go

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 9:03 AM

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I.. Don't remember hearing directly about a server that was shutdown from BI.
But I remember seeing screenshots of that battleye disabled message.

prisma scaffold Jul 11, 2018, 9:03 AM

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https://psisyn.com/forums/topic/24956-psisyn-monetization-issues-update/

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There you go

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enjoy

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 9:03 AM

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Already posted before

prisma scaffold Jul 11, 2018, 9:03 AM

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aw

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Am I the only one with a monetized server who has gotten permission?

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Although I only use one mod.

snow bloom Jul 11, 2018, 9:05 AM

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@echo orchid you should check that Task Force Leviathan thread of BI forums, left something interesting there for ya

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Crap it works for me

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 9:09 AM

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sorry. Closing and reopening browser fixed it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
But reloading didn't
That's probably the same problem that BI forum has with imgur embedded images

snow bloom Jul 11, 2018, 9:09 AM

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Ah okay

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 9:20 AM

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Oh why am I not surprised.

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 9:25 AM

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@robust abyss are people allowed to monetize your mods? Your hat one specifically?

snow bloom Jul 11, 2018, 9:40 AM

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It was the M1151 GMV if I recall correctly

copper geyser Jul 11, 2018, 12:22 PM

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well

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i just wasted an hr of my life reading this

fringe forum Jul 11, 2018, 12:30 PM

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lol best part was how do we pay for our servers if we can't monetize.....We have over 8 servers, none monetized so um yea

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:33 PM

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update on the PsiSyn Lakeside modpack i downloaded last night:

bnae
csa38
HAFM
HLC
JBAD
MBG
MELB
RH
SFP
SMD
TFAR

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 12:40 PM

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I just found half a dozen other mods that explicitly don't allow monetization.. I'm making a list.

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:41 PM

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HOLY SHIT... now i know why this name @carmine folio rings a bell... Obamacare guy... OFC!
he was reporting another server to me for... guess what... ILLEGAL MONETIZATION
omfg... the irony...

stark mulch Jul 11, 2018, 12:43 PM

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regarding action BI have done against abuse, they used to go after server owners paypals and get them disabled for copyright abuse (or something like that). They stopped and personally have only heard them disabling BE

vast notch Jul 11, 2018, 12:44 PM

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@dull moon isn't combining the mods like that against some of the mods licenses?

stark mulch Jul 11, 2018, 12:44 PM

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^^ depends

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certain licenses allow it, others dont

vast notch Jul 11, 2018, 12:45 PM

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Also, if a course of action would be to temporarily remove those mods from SW, that would have no effect on the servers combining them into a modpack right?

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:45 PM

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CUP for example doesn't allow reuploads in any form to the workshop, dropbox, googledrive, ect

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so technically, if one decides to reupload CUP to another platform (if actions would have be taken that CUP isn't avaliable on the WS temporarily), i could and would DMCA strike them on other platforms

lone yacht Jul 11, 2018, 12:49 PM

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anyone from the UASF team on here?

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USAF my bad

stark mulch Jul 11, 2018, 12:50 PM

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cups Terrains is apl-sa? pretty sure u can reupload that (maybe not steam but private hosting)

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 12:50 PM

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/180829-united-states-air-force-2015/ That one? SGT Fuller was last online 18 hours ago. You can probably reach them there

lone yacht Jul 11, 2018, 12:50 PM

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cool, thank you

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 12:50 PM

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@stark mulch terrains yes. But not vehicle/weapon/units these are http://cup-arma3.org/license

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 12:51 PM

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Wanted to post the usaf mod discord

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@lone yacht
https://discord.gg/47R66h

lone yacht Jul 11, 2018, 12:56 PM

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beauty, thank you

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 1:06 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/3HUUMUs.png

[...]
I
LITERALLY
DO
NOT
HAVE
TIME
FOR
THIS
!!!

Imgur

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:07 PM

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😨

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 1:10 PM

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Publish the list and let other authors DMCA them for their stolen stuff. Then you have less work later ^^ I'm sure most of these also have tons of other stuff

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 1:10 PM

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like cup terains

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 1:11 PM

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I haven't dared searching for our stolen wheelchair yet 🙃

stark mulch Jul 11, 2018, 1:11 PM

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someone got a link to the WS checker

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 1:11 PM

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https://beta.workshopcrawler.com/

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 1:11 PM

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@keen trout
DUEEET, NAOOOW

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😄

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 1:11 PM

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https://beta.workshopcrawler.com/scan/TXR8KFVVKH6ETL9JT91X

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 1:11 PM

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@dull moon but but... I need to create an dummy steam workshop item then 😮

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or is there filename search yet?

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 1:13 PM

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not sure tho

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guess not

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 1:13 PM

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I'll just borrow one of the lifepacks then 😄

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 1:13 PM

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but i thought SFP is already on the WS

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 1:13 PM

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yeah

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but they use an older version of the wheelchair

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and renamed it etc

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 1:14 PM

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you can go for a deepscan, loocking for that one P3D only

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 1:14 PM

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but our p3d is changed 🙃

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searching with the life pack that was linked here before

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 1:14 PM

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Download it from psi's repo, reup it on workshop for the scan 😄

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 1:14 PM

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😂

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 1:14 PM

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funny enough psisyn doesn't use our wheelchair

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just our bas90 (airbase systems using civilian roads) and objects

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they have some other broken wheelchair

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia4Hr5bSPJk

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uh, workshop crawler has removed the file reupload list?

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 1:16 PM

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That's on the server "ALRP" I believe, he hasn't had his own server since 6 months ago or so I believe.

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 1:17 PM

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@river spear is it possible to search for a pbo filename somehow on the crawler?

stark mulch Jul 11, 2018, 1:17 PM

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someone has reupload some of my/torndeco's content the shitbags!

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 1:24 PM

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Do I have to contact steam thorugh the DMCA form, or can I just directly email someone there?

river spear Jul 11, 2018, 1:26 PM

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@keen trout Yes, but only if that file is on the workshop sadly

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 1:26 PM

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it is 😃

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I couldn't find the list of file reuploads anymore?

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I'm quite sure it was there before

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now I just get list of workshop items, and those have a file list of duplicates

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https://beta.workshopcrawler.com/scan/C9HNNKUAPWWL0NW4KUBI

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cg_emswheelchair.pbo

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that's a stolen and rebranded sfp_wheelchair.pbo

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 1:30 PM

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Easiest would be to just send that list to BI and let them take care of it 😄
Maybe somehow filter out the monetized servers?
This is really mass violation...

stoic beacon Jul 11, 2018, 1:32 PM

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Have fun, you better get a cup of coffee and something to eat

proud flicker Jul 11, 2018, 1:33 PM

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I doubt those numbers actually.
It would mean that 1 in 7 workshop items checked have it.

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https://i.imgur.com/mVDmcG0.png

Imgur

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7733 items are known to the crawler.

stoic beacon Jul 11, 2018, 1:34 PM

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I'd guess 1 in 7 is a life mod, most of them use the a3l files, where iirc the wheelchair was in

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Well, he looked for the whole mod pack didn't he? So it's not 1500 reuploads of his wheelchair

river spear Jul 11, 2018, 2:16 PM

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@proud flicker Especially when doing a deep scan you can quickly accidently include the whole workshop in your result page 😄

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But the result page shouldn't show incorrect info, I don't know of any issues with it, by default it matches by hash so that should be very accurate

robust abyss Jul 11, 2018, 3:02 PM

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@soft egret No, unless you want to give me some of those earnings.

soft egret Jul 11, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Thanks.

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 3:32 PM

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@river spear did you decide on sql or elastic for storage?

river spear Jul 11, 2018, 3:35 PM

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@keen trout sql for accounts and stuff, elastic for everything else

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 3:35 PM

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cool 😃

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 3:39 PM

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@robust abyss I offer 1 $..

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Ayy bois I have a spicy meme

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https://gyazo.com/c0554b3be473aebeb4255141530ac139

robust abyss Jul 11, 2018, 3:45 PM

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Where as you would make a lot more than that, Lol XD

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 3:46 PM

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@proud flicker oof

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Those reuploads

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 5:09 PM

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@river spear is it possible to expedite adding a new workshop item? 😄

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1438330795

river spear Jul 11, 2018, 5:14 PM

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Want me to manually run the scan?

keen trout Jul 11, 2018, 5:15 PM

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The workshop item with the ID 1438330795 is not known to us yet!

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so I can't trigger a scan

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 5:32 PM

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@stark mulch just DMCA them. i don't even bother contacting them any more.

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they will only argue your ears off. easier to just pop in a complaint. we d oabout 1 a week, and they go down within 2 days.

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https://steamcommunity.com/dmca/create/

stark mulch Jul 11, 2018, 5:36 PM

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he took it down already

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 5:37 PM

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👍

undone pier Jul 11, 2018, 5:42 PM

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down or friends/private only?

stark mulch Jul 11, 2018, 5:53 PM

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i dunno actually

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 6:13 PM

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@soft egret Why are you reporting us for stuff you dont make, that should be the owner of the mods choice.

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It seems that you like to target us for some odd reason?

wild stone Jul 11, 2018, 6:13 PM

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@carmine folio i see no problem with it, its in the interest of the community. Would you want someone uploading your content without permission?

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 6:17 PM

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@wild stone personally, i don't even care. If i create a mod, i would want people to use it, but who knows, my view might change. If i didn't want my mod to be used, i'd rather i get asked first before people take action

carmine folio Jul 11, 2018, 6:17 PM

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People have taken stuff from me, I just no there is nothing I can do because bohemia are very slow

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I don't waste my time witch hunting server, I spend it creating stuff

wild stone Jul 11, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Well each to there own

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 6:22 PM

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It's not just Deadmen reporting, we are All reporting to each other

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So, no need to blame one person, blame all mod devs here

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🤷

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Thanks Obama

wild stone Jul 11, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Essentially if you don't reupload/steal content etc you have nothing to fear

indigo thorn Jul 11, 2018, 6:24 PM

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So I've been a 'mod maker' for about a year and someone has finally re-uploaded my stuff without permission. They've actually rolled almost my entire workshop into a single mod! Is the done thing to politely ask them to remove it before going further? It's looking like a case of ignorance i.e. wanting to make an 'all in one pack' for their clan (why not use collections?!??!?) than claiming work is their own.

wild stone Jul 11, 2018, 6:26 PM

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Well you could politely ask them, but in my experience those that upload content without permission will not comply with an addon makers wishes. Just easier to report the content and file a take down request.

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 6:26 PM

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@indigo thorn what's ur mod?

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Also DMCA on steam is kind of a way of letting them know that you want it taken down

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I believe steam doesn't remove the mod right away, it gives them like idk how long to remove the DMCA'd content, before removing it

indigo thorn Jul 11, 2018, 6:29 PM

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1187306764&tscn=1531238010 , https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1078436541 , https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1069692316 , https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1109528858 are the big items

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 6:30 PM

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Also make sure you have your license clearly visible on the mod page as well, to avoid further incidents like this, just a suggestion, and if you don't want people to re-pack it, then don't use licenses like APL-SA, because while it has been said there's an "open interpretation" to what the license clearly states, people might get confused and think they can re upload your content.

indigo thorn Jul 11, 2018, 6:34 PM

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I have to admit to being pretty naive when it comes to the licensing side and I've not actually made any statements about re-uploading as, when reading the steam conditions, I thought it was quite clear you could not re-upload unless you either had permission or were the IP holder itself. I might do a bit of googling about licenses to see what's most appropriate...

dull moon Jul 11, 2018, 6:37 PM

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@indigo thorn
You can adapt ours If you like. There are also other mods around who share their license
http://cup-arma3.org/license

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 6:37 PM

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Specific Workshop-Enabled Apps or Workshop web pages may contain special terms (“App-Specific Terms”) that supplement or change the terms set out in this Section.

indigo thorn Jul 11, 2018, 6:38 PM

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Thanks very much - most appreciated.

errant drum Jul 11, 2018, 6:38 PM

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So basically if the Steam Workshop has a set of rules on how your material is handled, your own license pretty much overrules it, as in, you get to dictate your own terms

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So always having your own strong license, that clearly states what's happening, will help you not only on steam workshop, but everywhere else as well

indigo thorn Jul 11, 2018, 6:39 PM

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👍

mint edge Jul 11, 2018, 6:47 PM

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@steady hare have you EVEN made a mod yet??

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 6:48 PM

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@mint edge i mean, i've worked on maps etc, made some vehicles (that were TRASH), but never publicly released anything

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All private work so i can learn and focus on getting better at it, for when i do release stuff

mint edge Jul 11, 2018, 6:49 PM

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when someone takes what youve made, claims it as their own, and then attempts to profit off of that work

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you may have a change of heart xD

steady hare Jul 11, 2018, 6:49 PM

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If they call it their own, then i would be slightly pissed off, but still i'd rather people wouldn't do stuff such as DMCA on behalf of me

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Travis. Before you get started again ibwould recommend searching for Dwardens comment this morning mate

olive sparrow Jul 11, 2018, 9:27 PM

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👆

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well progress has been made today on the psisyn stuff. i spoke to him earlier and he has agreed to abandon the project.

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he has blamed repentz for the uploads

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without his consent

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and wishes his name was not associated with this travesty of theft and rule-breaking

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meanwhile we have identified 13 - yes thirteen - authors whose mods wer abused by these guys without any permit.

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and we have stacked up a hard DMCA to hit their servers, TS, twitch, and youtube

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so if they don't clean up their act in the next 24 hours, it's goodbye to psisyn and his servers.

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i have t osay it has been a great day for mod authors, every single author who has been abused has rallied to the flag

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well, in this situation it means removing monetization, which they have already done

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and then apologising, which he has done

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and in an ideal world donating all his proceeds to a war veterans charity like Help for Heroes, would be a really good gesture.

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but i don't think he will stretch this far (maybe prove me wrong here Lewis and regain some credibility)

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i estimate £50,000

hallow lark Jul 11, 2018, 9:37 PM

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In case no one remembers, he "Abandoned" his servers last time this was talked about a few weeks ago. Didn't follow through because things quieted down..

paper prawn Jul 11, 2018, 9:42 PM

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I would also assume a lot more money just based on Twitch subs tbh...

tawny sentinel Jul 11, 2018, 9:42 PM

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@hallow lark I'd hope he realizes for his own sake that Rob isn't lying.