Now to break it down..
#ip_rights_violations
fossil basalt
This pack is intended to be only used on our server Meaning "private mod", it does not work that way. is entirely non-profit, has zero commercial application trying to avoid the "commercial" part of the license. This is a pack of Add-ons created by other authors and uploaded to steam workshop for use on our server only. These are uploaded to steam in order to make use of the new arma launcher auto mod download support to give our players an easy way to join in on our custom missions. Again, trying to use the excuse of "private use only". This is prohibited by the Steam Subscriber agreement section 6D. This is indicated by We do not take any credit for these Add-ons or any responsibility for this mod pack or any Add-ons contained within it.
This pack is intended to be only used on our server Meaning "private mod", it does not work that way. is entirely non-profit, has zero commercial application trying to avoid the "commercial" part of the license. This is a pack of Add-ons created by other authors and uploaded to steam workshop for use on our server only. These are uploaded to steam in order to make use of the new arma launcher auto mod download support to give our players an easy way to join in on our custom missions. Again, trying to use the excuse of "private use only". This is prohibited by the Steam Subscriber agreement section 6D. This is indicated by We do not take any credit for these Add-ons or any responsibility for this mod pack or any Add-ons contained within it.
hybrid rock
I didn't read the actual WS link when I made my post, I just based my post off of the quote that Cosmo posted as I didn't realize there was more to the description. I would guess from the rest of it that permission was given to be used in a private pack and by making a public workshop, the distribution part of their agreement implied or explicit was most likely violated, hence the DMCA.
dull moon
If you are the author of any of the contained Add-ons and do not wish this to be used please notify us and explain why!
nogo, simply nogo...
YOU HAVE TO ask BEFORE you upload... and the autor does NOT have to justify his desicion to not upload it to steam, nor why it shouldn't be in a modpack
hybrid rock
According to the pack manager, he did ask
hybrid rock
That is a good question, I'm betting that it's because at the time he asked it wasn't for steam workshop, but a private repo
fossil basalt
Do me a favor and read their WS post. Then, ask yourself, "Do I believe they have permission?"
dull moon
β
fossil basalt
If you answer YES , then, no disrespect intended, You're an idiot.
hybrid rock
Hard to say that without disrespect intended, but I'll admit I was wrong. Going by the small amount quoted it appeared like there was more to the story that we didn't know about. Reading the full text makes it seem obvious that permission was granted for a private repo and then he decided to upload to steam
fossil basalt
You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B. above or in any license terms specific to the applicable Workshop-Enabled App or Workshop page. This includes, without limitation, any kind of intellectual property rights or other proprietary or personal rights affected by or included in the User Generated Content. In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).```Lets break this down...
In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).
You furthermore represent and warrant that the User Generated Content, your submission of that Content, and your granting of rights in that Content does not violate any applicable contract, law or regulation.
So, by uploading someone else's mod WITHOUT EXPLICIT CONSENT is breaking the law. Period.
Their "attempted disclaimer" says that they do not have such consent.
dull moon
ok, i checked the OFPS Units mod... no wonder they got DMCAed.
SFP content. clearly NO permission for that π
fossil basalt
Send what info you have to my BI account Chris. I am herby suspending his account.
dull moon
also afaik Aplion (HAFM) does not give permission as well
deepscan is still running for proof guidance
fossil basalt
I've just confirmed from one of the authors that it was an illegal upload. @hybrid rock
hybrid rock
I'm satisfied. Thanks for your thoroughness.
fossil basalt
That's why I'm a Moderator.
fossil basalt
That's what makes us a "community"
dull moon
π€
fossil basalt
..and Banned from Discord.
hybrid rock
So I mentioned the other day how A3PL has the same model for their boat trailer as GTA V has, but they are one of the largest monetized servers, making tens of thousands of dollars. Does BI only take action on this if the IP owner complains?
fossil basalt
Or if someone notices and reports content
hybrid rock
How possible do you think it is that GTA V got the model from a 3rd party?
sleek laurel
@fossil basalt Your decision to ban SpanishSurfer is a gross violation of your authority. First of all, he's not the uploader of the pack, Steam says it's listed as "LiveandLetDie" so why you so quickly banned SS is beyond me. Second, you clarified the server as a "Private Server" when in fact it's actually an PUBLIC server open to all 24/7. I've played on their server and their dev team and playerbase are the only reason I still have A3 installed. Third, SS has been with the Arma community for almost 2 decades and has always proven to be a valuable part of the community.
Do you get paid to quickly ban respected members of the community?
- Ban the wrong person
- Label the server as Private when in fact it's PUBLIC
- Publicly shame a valued and respected member of the community
NICE JOB! π
neon crater
πΏ
sleek laurel
@willow belfry @cold pasture @gusty isle
I demand a more valued assessment of this whole thing. It's obvious FM has the deduction skills of a tween on a LIFE SERVER.
willow belfry
What
neon crater
What's with people and their lifer servers? They act like it's their child and they're oh so attached lol.
sleek laurel
The whole discussion is about a CTI server....one of the few great ones and this community is bashing it all over the place
neon crater
"This community", last I knew you were a part of this community to. Since you know, we all play arma
sleek laurel
I don't even know what you're trying to get across
willow belfry
I don't know what you want me to do?
neon crater
The way you're wording things, posing everyone against you.
sleek laurel
Cortez, scroll up and read
willow belfry
We're here to moderate discord. Thats it.
If you feel FM has stepped to far then take that up with Dwarden
sleek laurel
SpanishSurfer, the guy was banned for literally nothing
@pliant oar Please look above ....
Thank you @willow belfry
flint niche
Im sure you can appeal the ban but demanding things wont get you very far.
sleek laurel
It's hard too appeal when he's banned
If this happened on some small time discord I wouldn't care....those guys make bad choices all the time...but FFS this is ARMA OFFICIAL
Hell the CTI community has been giving @pliant oar their server logs for several years now. Working with him to give him the data he asks for
neon crater
You're not the first to complain and whine when their buddies get banned for completely valid wrongdoings.
sleek laurel
Give me 1 reasonable response on why it was valid
dull moon
OFPs is using ripped content without permission... any questions?
sleek laurel
Yes, why SS. It's not even his pack
You banned the wrong freaking guy, I'm not even going to bother with the alleged violations
fossil basalt
One? I have personally spoken with one of the mod authors whose content was stolen in the pack.
sleek laurel
Oh yeah who's that
For years mod authors give permission, then pull it...I've been a part of the community and have seen them pull out content that was once in on behalf of the mod authors request
fossil basalt
Have a look in the mod pack of the stolen content, there are quite a few. I have submitted all the evidence I need to the appropriate people. (i.e. not you)
sleek laurel
So why ban the wrong guy
The names aren't even the same. Anyone who can read would have caught that
fossil basalt
The author in question has not given permission.
fossil basalt
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I don't need to address anything to you.
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If it's a case of mistaken Identity, it can (and will be) rectified.
sleek laurel
Now you're on the defensive which implies you know you overreacted and messed up
Thank you that's all i needed to see
fossil basalt
No, not at all, just being realistic.
dull moon
FM did not overreact. some guy was advertising in #creators_recruiting for help for a mod that uses content without permission. so this guy took the blame
sleek laurel
Oh yeah that's totally justified
dull moon
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
sleek laurel
You guys should be freaking lawyers
fervent needle
ok
neon crater
People these days..
sleek laurel
Exactly my point
neon crater
I'm talking about you Focke
dull moon
π
sleek laurel
Literally all my points are 100% fact and you guys are all on the defensive
fossil basalt
The lady doth protest too much, methinks
carmine folio
@dull moon thank you for notifying me! Its so awesome to see
dull moon
ikr
neon crater
Literally all my points are 100% fact
Uh huh, you can't possibly be wrong ever right?
fervent needle
He stated if it was the wrong person it could be dealt with, wrong guy or not he was repping a mod with stolen content and that was the issue that everyone was having
carmine folio
@keen trout @jovial ginkgo check this out! π
fossil basalt
To condense a few things to make it a bit clearer to some people..
We've asked the permission of every dev for every mod we used. We've been dealing with this type of harassment since we started a mod pack.
Also, we make 0 profit of any kind. Thanks for bringing out one of the problems with the steam model
SpanishSurfer - Yesterday at 2:10 PM
You must have glazed over the part I said we asked everyone's permission
SpanishSurfer - Yesterday at 2:12 PM
Trolls, welcome to the internet
We tried to find out what the dcma was about, we don't even know
SpanishSurfer - Yesterday at 2:13 PM
Actually yes you can fake a dcma complaint
Thats why they have to be reviewed
We had 1 actual complaint from a mod. The dev PMd us that he longer wished for his mod to be on steam, we complied and removed.
Didnt realize we attacked each other so quickly in this sub```but supposedly You banned the wrong person
Notice the use of "we". In the English language this typically means the speaker and others.
grand oyster
π₯ Looks like he was involved Β―_(γ)_/Β―
scenic swallow
Jesus
river spear
@dull moon ive put up a page to download a file list, however that total file list grouped by reuploaders on the result page of a scan will be done tomorrow
echo orchid
@OPTiX#6431 i still can't log in with my older crawler creds? can you have a looky please, or just tell me if i need to make a new account at least?
coral torrent
@echo orchid Yes the new cralwer has it's own account system. If you refer to the one closed for a while then yes you don't use that data anymore.
echo orchid
alright
undone pier
banning people in this context is stupid - solves nothing and is most likely even not getting at the right people
PS: reup without permissions can and is to be DMCA'ed by the owners ofc
fossil basalt
Should have thought about that before re-uploading someone else's content. The rules aren't new.
sinful geode
What mod didn't they have permission for? Or was the DMCA tag alone enough proof? I mean if I file a complaint against CUP for example, all devs involved will be banned until steam reviews and removes the notice?
fossil basalt
Put their link through the crawler
Its also a dumb idea to steal a BI employee's work too
sinful geode
I don't doubt there's reuploads, but I thought they had permissions for them.
fossil basalt
They do not. I've now spoken to 3 different mod creators who have not given consent.
sinful geode
Well then that would be a good proof. I thought it was just the suspicion and the DMCA tag.
fossil basalt
No. Plenty of crawler proof and first hand conversations with the creators.
I could understand if it was an "honest mistake", but they made the effort to try and absolve themselves of all responsibility by their attempt at a disclaimer. Then falsely stated they had permission (when they did not). This was deliberate, so therefore, is the punishment.
languid fog
Did they steam BI stuff as well?
echo orchid
good fucking grief - any sort of "permission" is null
unless the author signs a paper where he/she declarase he/she shares his IP with you
at least in accordance with steam agreement - where if you have no IP rights, you do NOT upload
pretty simple
this permission stuff is such a bullshit to begin with
hallow lark
Devils advocate, but what does that mean for ported A2 assets from the data packs? I have a website with download links and a few words explaining what i can be done with said files, but i doubt anyone has anything in writting and signed by bohemia in their posession.
safe arrow
Regarding A2 files etc everything is written down here: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Public_Data Dont know what you want else?
echo orchid
^^ yeah there is a license attached to it as well
safe arrow
Especially when its ressources coming from the company themselves
echo orchid
if i for say release something under a very open license (derivative license etc) of course it is different
stoic beacon
I've got a question. I just let the crawler look for one of my mods, it found 63 Reuploads, I don't want to contact every single guy to ask him to take it down, may I just file and DMCA instanly?
undone pier
the problem with banning is you stop the conversation and thus there is no chance to learn if and where misunderstanding has happened
they may have gotten permission from a2 days, early a3 days, permission for non workshop uploads, and so on
as result now they will just go for private mods, or use some self hosting like A3 sync again
it always better to have a decent conversation first rather to act quickly without considerations
to me the other problem here seems some of you are rightly annoyed or fed up of the many reuploads you have seen of your work - yet it would still be better to make a distinction from people not caring about rules at all, people not understanding the differences with workshop, people trying to do it right but failing and so on
absolve themselves of all responsibility by their attempt at a disclaimer
there are people that make false claims, try to ruin a project for whatever reason, authors forgetting about giving permissions or not aware of others in the team having done so (at times without much consideration or idea what they do when the give the ok), or authors changing their opinion
armaholic and withSIX have/had to deal with a lot of this as well
this is no simple one sided story
pallid epoch
That is true, but the most common case is that the user reuploaded something he shouldn't have.
dull moon
tbh, it's not up to an autors task to teach new users how to use the workshop, the dos and don'ts.
i have tried the polite way very often in the past, trying to get a conversation going before taking actions. on a good day i just got the fucker and insulted, on a not so good one even a death threat.
in short: i for myself are done talking
undone pier
yes i see your annoyance Chris, however you (CUP), RHS and a few others are a special case due to the amount of issues
there is still people trying to do right, and may be failling for whatever reason
i can see that you see you no longer care
however people like FM should take a more neutral stance - especially when taking actions like banning people
the guy should have at least the chance to provide his evidence and if he is failling to do so, then you can call on the judgement
dull moon
as i see it, there can't be a neutrale stance... either one plays with or against common rules.
undone pier
i had acquired many times permission in the past too for many different projects and its not uncommon the people forgot giving their OK or others in the team having done so
this is why i always saved the PM, mail, taken screenshots
as judge you are to listen to both sides for making a judgement
safe arrow
The most simple thing: they are too stupid to use collections on steam. Its a great thing, keeps everything sorted and up to date. No need to reload the same mod over and over again.
So the only reason for them to upload other ones mods (besides ignorance of reading the steam licenses) is either they changed something in the original mods, the orginal mod is not on steam (usually for a reason) or they dont give a shit.
coral torrent
Thing is, valve could have easily checked for reuploads and make a suggestion like: Your upload contains CUP, which is available as standalone workshop item. Do you want to create a collection instead (yes/no)
But they did not
echo orchid
same for BI if you ask me - there needs to be a tick before pushing update via publisher - you aknoledge that you own the Intelectual Property rights etc etc or else you are liable to legal bla bla bla
fervent needle
Speaking of rights if content is under APL-SA and you modify that and redistribute under that as well - is everything A-OK?
soft egret
If you respect the license then yeah. Everything is okey.
But "modify and redistribute as APL-SA" doesn't mean you respect the license. You could just port the thing to a different game and claim it's APL-SA ^^
fervent needle
And well along the lines of APL-SA what does noncommercial in armaverse imply, it canβt be on donation servers or approved monitization?
Right yea - regarding arma only
Basically if something is APL-SA you can indeed fix/modify it and stay within rights of it, all should be ok
soft egret
non-commercials means 0 money in relation to that thing.
I've seen people monetize APL-SA mods though... And I guess some of them also asked for permissions before doing that.
I guess authors permission could overrule the license
Yeah. Modifying and redistributing is fine according to license
fervent needle
βRegarding that thingβ so in theory someone could have monetization on their server or accept donations but anything APL-SA cannot be used for donations/monetized. So I could release something under APL-SA and people could use it on any server w/ or w/o donations/money etc as long as they donβt monetize MY portion of said addon/pack/reupload w/e
Confusing
I also see people putting may not use on any monetized servers period as well
So if I want that, I should claim it in description, otherwise technically it could be ok?
dull moon
If someone releases his mod as APL-SA doesn't automatically mean smb else can modify and reupload it
@soft egret
soft egret
But if he releases is at APL-SA without any further terms set by the author
APL-SA allows that.
With this licence you are free to adapt (i.e. modify, rework or update) and share (i.e. copy, distribute or transmit) the material under the following conditions:
fervent needle
So apl-sa base, thats all OK, but otherwise I should list out everything thats not otherwise clear or not wanted
soft egret
I guess he could say "I icense this using this license which states that you are free to modify and redistribute my work. But I don't want you to modify or redistribute my work"
But that's kinda dumb
fervent needle
Yea I see what you are saying
So https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/arma-public-license would be better
But then that still goes to another point, could someone use it on a monetized server as long as they donβt monetize my part of the addon
soft egret
No. That means people can take your work, modify it and then redistribute it under a different license
soft egret
If you are fine with them using your mod and they ask you beforehand then ofcause it's okey
If you don't want them to use your mod and monetize it then you can always tell them to stop
fervent needle
Ok
grand oyster
π€ http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1313782888&searchtext=
"3D models from GTA V"
dull moon
flagged
mortal needle
Even has a collection of all his cars, http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1117863278
Count at least 19 from either GTA V, Assetto Corsa or Forza Horizon 4.
tulip nexus
lol he's got a tipeee link as well, hoping to be rewarded financially for all the hard work of stealing
fossil basalt
Email wouldnβt hurt. Report it. If you have the free time, an email to Rockstar (iirc) wouldnβt hurt either.
coral torrent
@dull moon yes mail Rockstar, they react on such violations very very fast.
fossil basalt
Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc.
Address of Designated Agent:
622 Broadway
New York, New York 10012
Attention: General Counsel
Telephone Number of Designated Agent: 646-536-2842
Facsimile Number of Designated Agent: 646-941-3566
Email Address of Designated Agent: copyright@take2games.com```
upbeat token
@mortal needle Forza don't really care if it's released under their windows license from what I know though that only applies for Forza 3 vehicles.
fossil basalt
Completely incorrect.
upbeat token
You sure?
upbeat token
I mean there have been plenty of communities which utilise Forza models and nothing has been done to them even after reported.
fossil basalt
Just because a few haven't been caught, does not make it ok.
upbeat token
Not saying it's okay. I'm completely against it all in all but regardless.
fossil basalt
Then don't spread falsehoods regarding stealing of IP please.
upbeat token
We will see.
fossil basalt
There's literally nothing to see. Just read the EULA.
soft egret
Even if Forza guys allow it. You still cannot upload to steam workshop.
fossil basalt
(which they dont) π
Might help to read the Steam Subscriber agreement while you're at it @upbeat token Section 6D
upbeat token
Oh yeah I'm not aruging that @soft egret
soft egret
Same as Asaayu didn't argue that stealing Forza stuff isn't allowed.
warm urchin
Even if Forza guys allow it. You still cannot upload to steam workshop.
π€ that sounds confusing
safe arrow
And why so? There are (at least) three partys involved besides Bohemia:
1.) The owner of the modells (i.e. Forza), they may or may not allow the use of their models via their licenes.
2.) Steam as a publishing plattform that only allows the upload of mods that are completly your own creation or where you have the precise permission to use other ones content.
3.) You as a mod creator and uploader on Steam. You have to take care of the rules for both parties as you are using the modells of 1) and using the platform to upload from 2). Both having their own licenses and rules that have to be followed.
Is that so hard to understand?
warm urchin
But "guys allow it" so the 1) you're given permission to use of the models 2) you've an agreement/permission from Forza to do it 3) everything is OK then.
Of course in real life scenario Forza can't give permission because of likely some licenses with car manufactures but in theory...
safe arrow
Might be an unlucky formulation. Yes if they explicitly allow it you can do so, as you have the rights to do so and the proof (some license pages etc) for it. Just read the steam licenses yourself in section 6D.
The important thing is: They have to actively allow the use of their stuff, not just "dont do anything against it".
pliant oar
expect lot of drama, there has been partial-purge 
at workshop
shy chasm
some of which is unjustified, including my port of Dynamic Recon Ops to Kobbvatn, which is not in any way an Armaholic reupload.
all while spammers and wrong section posts run rampant on the community forums and Altis Life packs with loads of ripped content run free.
fossil basalt
While not involved in the takedown, I do have to ask, Did you have permission to do so?
shy chasm
I'd have to go find mbrdmn's statement on it but there's certainly a lot of extra DRO missions out there
these, for instance
lesson learned, start packing legality reference boxes on everything published. I'll start doing that from here on out.
fossil basalt
No, you must read through
You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights in all User Generated Content to grant Valve and other affected parties the licenses described under A. and B. above or in any license terms specific to the applicable Workshop-Enabled App or Workshop page. This includes, without limitation, any kind of intellectual property rights or other proprietary or personal rights affected by or included in the User Generated Content. In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).
You furthermore represent and warrant that the User Generated Content, your submission of that Content, and your granting of rights in that Content does not violate any applicable contract, law or regulation.```I'm just reading "Others did it too. So It's fine" again.
fossil basalt
If it ticks all the boxes, THEN and ONLY THEN may you upload/reupload.
Thats how I read it too Dedmen
shy chasm
we taking down everyone's things then?
fossil basalt
As its currently a one person job, that will take a while
However, with @river spear lovely crawler tool, we can find offenders much more quickly.
shy chasm
take everyone's things down and then things will seem to make sense.
clean out the workshop, clean up the forums, lotta work to be done.
fossil basalt
Do not use that as a justification to steal please.
shy chasm
ah, if only modders did it for the heart of the community. For the record, anyone is free to modify my own AAPM as they see fit. I really don't care.
people are going to "steal" mods whether they're banned off the workshop or not.
it's a noble albeit ultimately fruitless battle here.
fossil basalt
We're just not giving them an easy place to do it.
shy chasm
good luck with that.
neon crater
I think I know what Dwarden was talking about now π
fossil basalt
Its worked alright so far
shy chasm
whole workshop is surrounded with Altis Life repacks.
grand oyster
@neon crater π― πΏ π
shy chasm
yes, yes you do.
neon crater
π
shy chasm
I'm outta here, the BIDF is inbound.
soft egret
Thieves stealing from Thieves. Gotta stop them
neon crater
the BIDF is inbound
π
tawny sentinel
Seeing a purple name and the word purge always managed to raise a brow and a warm fuzzy feeling in this discord.
fossil basalt
BUDAPEST INTERNATIONAL DOCUMENTARY FESTIVAL ?
π
Its why I'm not allowed to have the Big Red Button
(and i'm not talking about the clitoris)
warm urchin
I love how I first time searched from workshop with "life" and first one I click: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1228060724
neon crater
Shiet
soft egret
@river spear Can the crawler also index mods descriptions and make them searchable?
So we can search for "I didn't make these mods" kinda things?
tawny sentinel
π
novel goblet
"No copyright intended" π
river spear
@soft egret let me check if im indexing that field
I dont think so
The api endpoint of Steam probably returns it
fossil basalt
π
river spear
I could go through the existing entries in my db and just update them aswell, then you could also query descriptions
for keywords
fossil basalt
What a terrible Bow emote
novel goblet
A quick search on "all credit goes to" on google yielded this. Looks suspect: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1140699421
novel goblet
Here's another: https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=633789490
So it seems it could certainly be worthwhile to index descriptions and search for key phrases. Though would need to allow for spelling errors.
soft egret
Please, subscribe to this version of the mod, not mine
Still has 72k subscribers
river spear
Yes, Ill start indexing the description aswell and offer an endpoint to look for keywords
river spear
and also make it a page
so you can search for keywords in the title or the description
pliant oar
it's not just the IP minefield what's headache ...
river spear
Wish I could query the comments aswell π€
soft egret
The poo will get into your machines gears and gum them up
pliant oar
your neural network cut it's access to internet with last message packet content "had enough of mankind toxicity"
tawny sentinel
Rip ACE3 after the arsenal update then
pliant oar
ok 1 false positive, 1 half false positive and some warning-educated corrections already, thus so far less headache than last time
tawny sentinel
Half false? Please expand O_o
pliant oar
KA is definitely record breaking with multiple dozens bans
well i gave them benefit of doubt with list of what's reported, unbanned (while keeping it flagged as incompatible)
and some minutes later DMCA strike appeared on that item
from that moment, it's not my headache anymore
pliant oar
typical packs of packs of tons of stuff
tawny sentinel
winches about how many times those poor PBOs must have been decompiled
pliant oar
wishes person uploading file he was already banned for to be autobanned and barred from uploading access
tawny sentinel
"B-b-but workshop access is a human right" /s
Humor me for a sec, how many today that you've brought up have had the word "life" "roleplay" or "RP" in their name approximately? π
flint niche
I do wish the workshop could be more moderated, its nearly impossible to find interesting items without having to go through tens and hundreds of life mods and unfinished missions when you just want to search for terrain or helicopter, in addition to reups.
tawny sentinel
Honestly just use BI forums
It's what I do these days
Anything worthwhile is almost always posted there
flint niche
I do that also, and Armaholic, but occasionally you get something interesting on SW, and the download speeds help. Just wish steam would let the community have more control, anyway, thats my two cents.
river spear
@flint niche Only thing I can offer is a search based on most viewed, most subscribed, most ever subscribed, most ever favorited or something like that
However I believe Steam also offers that if Im not mistaken
But other than what you can determine with numbers theres really only the old searching and looking I believe ^^
pliant oar
@tawny sentinel a lot and quite elevated answers too
tawny sentinel
How many times have you had to explain basic intellectual property rights?
pliant oar
more times than this server has members
safe arrow
That will never stop as people prefer to be stupid. Just look at this @V. Berlioz that complained here before. Look at his steam profile and his reuploads: http://steamcommunity.com/id/VBerlioz/myworkshopfiles/
And look through the steamdiscussions in A3 where he rants about this rude and totally unfair behaviour from Dwarden. And then ask the question again.... those guys will never die out π
Oh he removed his reuploads by now, at least one success also he keeps on ranting and comparing to the SS... http://steamcommunity.com/app/107410/discussions/0/1696040635920373403/
pliant oar
absence of good tools and lack of workshop self policing isn't helping either, often users of the stolen IP even back the offending uploader
safe arrow
"Its just for the community so everyone can use it" Read that often enough.
pliant oar
KA has so many valid bans that account should be flatout blocked from workshop
me adding some bunch more or less isn't changing anything on the fact he rips stuff left and right
river spear
@soft egret @novel goblet I've indexed the description and some other things of the workshop object now aswell
I'll work on a small query page today/tonight
pliant oar
also, people aren't realizing that someone disputing DMCA and manage to get rid of the flag it equals legalizing the item ... erm, not by long shot
safe arrow
Especially since the last word stays on Bohemias side what things they do allow as mods in their game.
tawny sentinel
"This counter claim was accepted by a third party entity thus this material is mine now"
Yuuup
Totes how it works
_>
pliant oar
oh the same person who now complains about me cleaning workshop complained before i didn't ban someone instantly in the steam discussions π€£
tawny sentinel
You literally cannot win
pliant oar
and now he behaves exactly the same as the person he wanted to ban {if that isn't irony then what is it}
manic laurel
for 5000 : stupidity?
pliant oar
toxic rant spamming outrage outburst something ...
sure i can ban them temporarily, only resulting into 'offensive response' waiting the ban period and repeating the spam w/o any mark of the past ban left
overally marks of toxic behaviour and major offenses needs to be stored in steam profile , w/o that the platform is going to deteriorate rapidly on all levels/layers
carmine folio
well, last line of defence would be disabling workshop for ArmA 3 altogether and perhaps building something that BI can monitor themselves instead of having to go through Valve's platform? π€
the best mods have their own download pages anyway
or githubs and what not
grand oyster
Including RHS? π€£
tawny sentinel
Back to the wget days we gooooo! ( @echo orchid's wallet cries in the distance)
river spear
@carmine folio The biggest issue would be the required bandwidth
If a single update for CUP drops with 5GB in size and of 50.000 subscribers only 4000 download at the same time, it requires a bunch of bandwidth
upbeat token
KA meaning KickAsss?
neon crater
Apparently
upbeat token
Ainβt he the weapon pack maker, ya know the one whoβs weapon arenβt realistic at all
upbeat token
An arma modded claiming itβs his content yet it isnβt.. now thatβs a surprise π
modder*
fierce ocean
@pliant oar A couple of mods in which I was listed as a co-author have come under your purge, does this mean that I will not be able to publish any more addons or will it directly affect the author of the add-on?
echo orchid
@carmine folio fro KA - 0 assets are his
@tawny sentinel - there are alternatives to wget as well, besides SW
dull moon
listed co-autors of mods that got taken down for violations are not affected by an upload ban directly. but if a co-autor decides to take over the part as "main distributor" of a violating item, it won't take long for him to be found also, and suffer the same consequences.
@fierce ocean
soft egret
@safe arrow
I have a duty to inform everyone of this. To the fans who have said thank you, to the people who have offered valid criticism and valid suggestions to my work and to my unit and to my gaming. I will be formally quitting Arma III. I've had many fond memories... but I'm out. I've had enough.
Consider all work on mods suspended until further notice.
V. Berlioz signing out.
One retard gone. Thousands more to go.
Libertarian Nationalist and right-wing Brony. Oh well...
upbeat token
^ shame π
pliant oar
@fierce ocean answered in PM ...
dull moon
@soft egret
Where did that came from, steam discussions?
soft egret
One of his workshop items
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/comments/1090112012
Also on http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1089860490
Which... A 2.5GB mod. and I am not affiliated with Massi, this is an independent fix. He deserves all the credit for the mod itself.
All he did was add a config line to every weapon. Which he could just have done in a seperate compat mod without potentially violating Massi's copyright.
coral torrent
nah reuploading it is more fun
carmine folio
But, I'm just one man and I'm sure you people have some good ideas. Post them here, and I will consider throwing them in.```
Did he have Massi's permission for that though or can anyone just claim "I am taking over development"?Considering Massi's apparent absence
That already says that Massi is not reachable for asking for permission.
And sure. Anyone can just claim "I am taking over development" as they please.
carmine folio
and not being taken down? Damn
soft egret
Well.. Massi is not there to file a DMCA
carmine folio
why's it not being flagged as an illegal reupload though, did he change all the names?
carmine folio
can't BI take down mods that it knows are illegal, 'modifications' or illegal reuploads?
fossil basalt
There is a report button
carmine folio
alright on my way
grand oyster
@soft egret I'm taking over TFAR in your imaginary absence π€£
carmine folio
don't forget to mention that until his return, at which point I will unconditionally hand over the fixed code to him along with my personal edits. π @grand oyster
carmine folio
must've spent hours on that copy-paste line in the config π
fresh flax
soft egret
Thank you sir @blazing wyvern @dull moon
blazing wyvern
what are you thanking me for lol
soft egret
Not you. I'm thanking him and notifying you π
But thank your for making cool stuff @blazing wyvern
blazing wyvern
sadly these reuploads will never end unless valve or BI force the rule
river spear
Besides having the scan and looking for keywords in descriptions and a filelist download, do you think I should also add a comparison tool so you can put in two items and get a detailed view of what is the same
dull moon
@carmine folio
Sneaky bastard π
I see what you did there with the comments π π
carmine folio
what do you mean? @dull moon π
safe arrow
For the rest:
Hey there, before I add this mod to my unit's core modpack, may we see (perhaps per link or screenshot) the official statement from Massi that you are allowed to continue his work? It'd be appreciated.```
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1089860490
Nice idea πehhh it's completely coincidental that the guy has the same name π
sinful geode
Guys, you don't seem to realize you're picking on a man who holds the record of the longest sniper shot in Arma. 20,500 meters! (According to his steam profile)
He also has a page with his own legendary quotes, like for example "What is a Government must also have a God, for even a King is only human."
grand oyster
π
carmine folio
(According to his steam profile) proof plox, video plz π
does ArmA even work its ballistics over such a distance?
soft egret
no
sinful geode
He edited it after leaving the Arma community, but does this cached page work: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TP4_9qj91F0J:steamcommunity.com/id/VBerlioz
soft egret
Yes it work. Quick make screenshot π
carmine folio
well if it doesn't ACE3 ballistics I'm not surprised one could do that
doesn't even look like he hit the guy though
was it HE ammo?
soft egret
Happened once to me when playing BR. Some bug caused my bullet to kill someone on the other end of the map.
carmine folio
tbh I wouldn't call something staged like that a record shot
but that's besides the point
narcissism doesn't excuse the IP violations on Massi and Dagger
sinful geode
What if the author is absent?
carmine folio
then you still aren't allowed to do anything with it
soft egret
Then you are out of luck
carmine folio
it's a no until you get a yes
sinful geode
yeah, I know. Just kidding.
sinful geode
I just looked it up. www.whatismyip.com had it.
sinful geode
Thanks, mate.
carmine folio
don't look up my IP though, that's #ip_rights_violations
grand oyster
These puns are terrible and I bet they're stolen
soft egret
@carmine folio He deleted his workshop item of the reuploads btw
carmine folio
when?
sinful geode
right now
sinful geode
they were up just a couple of minutes ago.
carmine folio
yep he must've done it a minute or so ago
his workshop items went from 38 to 8 π€
sinful geode
Drama queen exit. Let's see how long can he stay away.
soft egret
His own ACE3 version because with ACE Arsenal cut out because it breaks half of people's mods.
Actually If you are having issues finding AAPM items in ACE3's ACE Arsenal, then use this version of ACE3 without ACE Arsenal Not "half of people's mods".. Just his own mod which he wasn't able to fix.
dull moon
Isn't this called βrage quittingβ and is known for csgo kids who got their 2nd headshot from one person within 2min?
upbeat token
Only imagine if they enforced temp or perm game bans for those in violation of their workshop upload policy
carmine folio
Workshop would be clean real fast then
keen trout
or check if file already exists when uploading a new mod
faint nacelle
so like integrate Crawler into the publisher?
which would not be a bad idea actually
keen trout
perhaps letting the upload proceed after acknowledging that it might get a DMCA etc
and then notify the original uploader
upbeat token
Or an agreement where if found in violation of the workshop you get a game ban from arma. simple solution. would solve skids
safe arrow
Uh the crowd is strong (in ignorance). Someone decided to "reupload" the KA stuff....
http://steamcommunity.com/app/107410/discussions/0/1696040635924756727/
And guess what description it has.... This is a reupload of KA Weapons Pack NEW RC. I do not own any of the content in this mod. π
upbeat token
Standard ArmA user mentality.
I reuploaded it. We need it for our missions. and if it is deleted Im just gonna manually add it to mediafire. so.. If you want to use it till it/if gets deleted
safe arrow
Maybe if the mods would stay online without content but with a message/popup whatever. Informing the user that this mod was locked down because of IP violations. Perhaps this might help to explain the situation instead of just magically disappearing.
But on the other hand... people to dump to read and follow the licenses would ignore that too...
upbeat token
Yeah I just responded with the following.
`
The reason the mod was removed from the Workshop in the first place was that it contained content which was not his/hers contain to upload.
KA Weapons Pack includes content which is probited to be used on the ArmA franchise platform, taken from sources which aren't deemed within the workshop upload guidelines.
Your whole ethics of You will just upload to mediafire is pathetic.. The original workshop post was taken down for IP Rights Violations.. I recommend you do the Arma community a favour and suspend hosting this out of your workshop.
`
I hate the whole mentality of well it's public so we might aswell reupload it and use it.. <-- typical arma player
faint nacelle
no its typical young gamer
nothing to do with arma
those peple come from garrysmod culture
upbeat token
Well Arma just gets it's fair share of younger players within the franchise
faint nacelle
it does
upbeat token
Never use to be as bad in Arma 2 before OA
or maybe I was just blind to it and was in the shadows
faint nacelle
and our community is far more strict regarding IP stuff
no it was not as bad I think
Not so many games to rip stuff from and so on
upbeat token
Indeed
faint nacelle
then with GM it became a norm
upbeat token
I mean you only have to go on your server listings and I bet 1/3 servers are in some kind of violation of mods/asset usage.
Whether it's apparent or hidden
grand oyster
These comments are pretty gold http://steamcommunity.com/games/arma3/announcements/detail/833540025118644985
faint nacelle
xD
steam discussions are in a way great black hole where people can cry and no-one hears them
upbeat token
grand oyster
@upbeat token π€
: 22. do not post URL links w/o short description of what it is , anywhere
upbeat token
It is a picture representing the typical arma player.
river spear
@grand oyster the purge? π€
tawny sentinel
@pliant oar Add it to the list... https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1321685291
manic laurel
Going to hurt when IP π
grand oyster
π€¦
tawny sentinel
@Chris_Lutz_(audiocustoms)#5482 @iron flame Your stuff has been reuploaded, see PuFu's link.
echo orchid
RHS CUP VSM SMA WMO ShackTac
blazing wyvern
that guy probably doesnt know how to make a collection of mods instead he reuploads them π
echo orchid
#notmyfuckingproblem
blazing wyvern
just saying how stupid he must be xD
safe arrow
In fact he created a collection (see link) but with his own reuploads... no one has to understand that
faint nacelle
π
carmine folio
Maybe he did it to fix versions? Steam's lack of decent versioning support is a bit of an issue for some communities.
warm urchin
well at least the SMA is the newest version, like the version in the name matches and file size is identical...
fossil basalt
Maybe he did it because heβs a F*****ing idiot!!
echo orchid
[1:58 PM] BrightCandle: Maybe he did it to fix versions? Steam's lack of decent versioning support is a bit of an issue for some communities.
if versioning is an issue for some communities, maybe they could use a fucking FTP mirror that they would be hosting themselves
@fossil basalt - see, you can use fuck like a proper person, without self censoring π
fossil basalt
I like to reserve it for special occasions
echo orchid
why do some always try and find reasons for the poor poor comunities? their sorry ass inconveniences will NOT trump(sic) on my fucking rights. it is that simple
chilly silo
@river spear - i have a question re crawler findings. I'm getting results for one of my addons but the links are coming up as "Item does not exist or removed by the author." but the crawler still finds them - does this mean they are just private?
soft egret
You know what? I'm happy I'm not in that DMCA game.. But that guy that reuploaded everything. I can get him for TFAR and I think this will be my first DMCA :3
keen trout
@echo orchid imaging the FTP storage he would need for all those mods!
that like... a couple of DVDs!!
novel goblet
Curious George here. If an addon comes with a "free to (re)distribute" license, are we permitted to use it internally in clans. My interpretation is yes, that is after all what that clause intends? Just wanted to be sure since my squad may be moving of Steam Workshop due to the terrible downloader.
soft egret
I just filed my first DMCA report \(O_O)/
@novel goblet Yes. You may not modify it or anything. But yeah you can reupload it and let others download from there.
fervent needle
Dedmen, I thought tfar was aplsa and could be redistributed and modified ?
π€ π
Guess since its not theirs it canβt be uploaded?
novel goblet
Actually, I was just going to use that as an example. TFARs license seems to say that I may upload it to my server and distribute it to others.
As long as it for purposes of Arma playing, I leave the license intact and any credit/attribution, and I don't make any money of it
soft egret
It can be redistributed. But there are special terms for workshop uploads
in that it needs to be clearly visible that they are not official uploads
The text even names @task_force_radio as a example of how such a official name would look
fervent needle
Ah okay makes sense
upbeat token
congrats on the first dmca xd
dull moon
@soft egret
Congrats on loosing your virginity, have a πΊ and a π°
π
@river spear
"Download File List" page doesn't work when you want it exported as TXT. HTML and JSON work tho
upbeat token
I find it funny how there are like 12 more reuploads of tfr @soft egret
soft egret
Yeah.. But I don't care much usually
dull moon
oh well, that's too late now :D
all or nothing. now that you have woken the monster, you need to keep on fighting it. or you will get a lot of shit like "y u DMCA me and not others?"
soft egret
Not enough time for that ^^ Β―_(γ)_/Β―
dull moon
once OPTiX has implemented his auto search and email notification, it will be like 10min a week or so
soft egret
Well for TFAR it's not thaaat easy. Reuploads are allowed if the name looks unofficial.. And you'd need a AI to detect that in a automated way
beta version reuploads are not allowed though. And I'm sure there are many π
But most beta versions never even land on the workshop. So the duplicate item finder won't find them.
Would need to manually search by file-hash.
And getting all the hashes for the 270+ beta releases together... No...
carmine folio
just going through all those links posting Reported for illegal uploads. Read the Terms of Service next time. You are not allowed to upload assets that are not yours without firstly official consent from the author.
dull moon
yes?
upbeat token
well just maybe optix will make it where you can search key refrences but discard specific text e.g. task_force_radio Task Force Radio
then deal with those
river spear
Text search is on the page now aswell, feel free to look for weird phrases in descriptions π
@dull moon Ive also fixed the buttons not working
70 result(s) found for: "Reupload"
neon crater
Lol
river spear
19 result(s) found for: "original creator"
CREDIT GOES TO PERAL ORIGINAL ARMAHOLIC PAGE http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=28548 If theoriginal creator wants this taken down please contact me.
soft egret
Looks good already :3
river spear
Jesus this is like a copy paste marathon
I am not the original creator of this mod, I own none of this content.
I AM ONLY REUPLOADING IT SINCE IT WAS MYSTERIOUSLY REMOVED. ORIGINAL CREATOR:
Subscribe to Phantom Hawk for more content like this, as he is the original creator of this mod, not myself!
This is not my Mod the original Creator is "Gigan" so All credits go to Gigan for Crerating this GCam addon/script i only made it work with
I bet most of them are just reuploads without permission
soft egret
Certainly sounds like it is
river spear
Searching for I am not is also good π
Copyright-hint: I am only the workshop-uploader. Please contact me, if you have the rights for this mod and want delete or publishing on your own.
manic laurel
smells like delicious tears in the horizon
river spear
0 result(s) found for: "delicious tears"
gritty path
hahaha
manic laurel
soonβ’
fossil basalt
βRemovedβ should return a few results...
manic laurel
"reupload", "taken down" maybe?
manic laurel
« 48 result(s) found for: "original author"Β Β» π
carmine folio
45 results for "I did not"
carmine folio
try "Oh hi Mark" too @carmine folio
dull moon
Ive also fixed the buttons not working
best man @river spear
river spear
@dull moon
All rights to : audiocustoms Original download link : http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=28297
dull moon
no fucking way π
fossil basalt
Let the smiting begin
river spear
I looked for the text "audiocustoms"
So many disclaims like this
DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT MY MOD, THIS IS SIMPLY A REUPLOAD OF IT ONTO THE WORKSHOP, IF THE CREATOR, Venom.226, REQUESTS FOR ME TO TAKE THIS DOWN, I WILL.
I wonder if they also take someone elses stuff, sell it and say "Well you can always tell me to stop so everything is legal here" in real life
tawny sentinel
Loooooooooool Chris
coral torrent
@river spear You know I can Rob a bank and tell everyone I would stop of they ask me for if. Must be legal then I guess ?
Maybe we should keep track on how many items were successfully DMCA'ed this week and add a counter XD
dull moon
Would be interesting to know
river spear
In fact if anyone has dmcad an item and it has been deleted please send me the ID of the item
Maybe I can actually add a tracker for these items
So we can keep track of things that have disappeared off the workshop because they have been dmcad
dull moon
Once an item is deleted, and one reuploads it, it will receive a new item number. So no way to keep track on this. The only way to track is by uploader profile /user id.
So one can see If a user already has commited a violation
fossil basalt
Then we can go back to Steam and say
βHey, DipShit Doug here has fraudulently re-uploaded someoneβs content 5 times now and had content removed, when are you going to ban his account?β
dull moon
and they will do jack shit about it. Had this case several times, wrote Email after Email, and didn't even get a response from valve
...
fossil basalt
Then you do what they hate and go public with the data. We all know Evan Lahti has written a few good articles critical of Valve. Send him the data.
coral torrent
@dull moon no Optix was asking for workshop item ids / urls that you dmcaed and that were took down
Cause they will be scanned again and right now they are only dropped from the database. Instead we could check for the reason why it was deleted maybe, possibly a dmca flag is still left or something and then count it to successfully removed items
upbeat token
Goes into bank, shoots two people dead and steals 250 million .. listen this is a unlawful arrest and I will be suing .. you guys could of said stop and I would of.. Jesus cops do unreasonable nowadays
tawny sentinel
Good for you DMCAing things on Steam means very little in the terms of consequences then. @haizan#9208
sinful vector
I am wondering how is this workshop mod is still not closed?
It uses 4A Games made content for Metro Game Series and it's still alive!
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1093006677
Also I've sent message to 4A Games, Deep Silver and THQ Nordic but never got response for a month.
carmine folio
@sinful vector found a familiar comment V. Berlioz 5 feb om 4:51 I'll be doing some vigilante modding to help out development of this mod. Stay tuned. ( @soft egret , @safe arrow )
fossil basalt
They just canβt help but implicate themselves
echo orchid
wasn't this the same guy that wrote here with a completly different "softer" approach earlier this week?
safe arrow
Yep that was the selfclaimed record sniper with an extra list of self-quotes. Obviously he has a very large ego and seems to be lacking in other things π
warm urchin
yep and I've seen him in couple other links that have been posted here
soft egret
@carmine folio He quit arma completly and deleted all his mods a couple days ago.
I don't think that statement from early february is still valid
carmine folio
oh fair enough
safe arrow
He didnt delete everything, only the most critical reuploads. There are still some other mods online including an ACE3 upload: http://steamcommunity.com/id/VBerlioz/myworkshopfiles/?appid=107410
soft egret
ACE upload is allowed
safe arrow
Well then, everything is fine.
desert sparrow
I found someone who reuploaded CUP - Weapons. And stole other things from Me and my mate. Hopefully u can do Something.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1321582346&searchtext=project+roleplay
faint nacelle
seems someone already dropped a DMCA on it
desert sparrow
Yea. ACE 3 Extension (Animations and Actions) i wrote him too
faint nacelle
which got me an idea that I got to name some bomb or a missile DMC-A or something like that for my mod
desert sparrow
Great idea
echo orchid
@faint nacelle i might steal that idea, prep that DMC-A
faint nacelle
xD
tawny sentinel
Make sure you don't infringe on his rights while doing it @echo orchid
echo orchid
not in the bussiness of stealing other people's work. But this was more in relation to this retard: https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/203812-re-uploading-mods-on-the-workshop/?do=findComment&comment=3275362
tawny sentinel
T'was a play on the wording just like your steal was dummy :P
coral torrent
D.M.C.A - Twice the explosion power than the hiroshima bomb β€
Might fit into a hand granade to be randomly thrown at reuploaders on open street
tawny sentinel
Need to find a military sounding non-acronym for it
manic laurel
DedMen Counter-Attack
soft egret
:U
fierce ocean
soft egret
That guy is still active?
fierce ocean
soft egret
Can't find that on his workshop items tho
soft egret
Also never seen a copyright from 1991 on a workshop page.
I think he's trying to say that it's GPL licensed
rapid wagon
What a funny guy
soft egret
And that comment. "I have been using this mode for a few years now. Thanks for making it and uploading it one month ago! You are great!"
soft egret
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1317692116 What.... Is that supposed to be stolen rainbow six content?
rapid wagon
im going to download those two and see for myself
well seems like he took some swat uniforms and I think weapons from KA? not sure.
fossil basalt
...attempting to apply CopyLeft ... wtf
rapid wagon
okay so he downloaded MOCAP from armaholic and reuploaded it on workshop basically as his
fossil basalt
which was uploaded by Kol9yN . His reputation precedes him
Thanks to kju, IPX, Sanyokbig, Prodavec, teaCup, Laexxman, P.P, hads0n, swatSTEAM and for other else who dont want to help and assist to release this mod, God will judge you...
rapid wagon
oh
fossil basalt
Though if the mocap is 100% his work, he still deserves the same respect as any other modder and it will be reported to him.
soft egret
It's not though
He paid guys to make the animations and stuff for him
He 100% paid for it though.. And then put it up for MANW where such things are not even allowed
tawny sentinel
Yikes, that attempt to throw some shade like he is entitled to help.
manic laurel
@tawny sentinel fear GOD plz, kthxbai
dull moon
This Kol9yN gut is banned on CUP discord... for reasons...
lost vapor
If somebody has this in re-uploaded content, does that mean they have a work around on the workshop?
Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc.,
51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301 USA
Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies
of this license document, but changing it is not allowed.
I found someone with a MOCAP reupload
But they don't want to remove it after Kol9yN (author of MOCAP) requested him to remove it from steam.
faint nacelle
dont think that means anything
carmine folio
DMCA is required
faint nacelle
yeah
tawny sentinel
It means as much as if I wrote something on my toilet paper.
He does not have any rights to modify or change the license since he has zero claim over the IP.
faint nacelle
kolbyn
carmine folio
The copyright owner or their agent
lost vapor
What are the consequences of a DMCA strike exactly?
coral torrent
The content must be taken down until the uploader states a counter claim.
pallid epoch
that's the first step
coral torrent
99% of the people do not file a counter claim as they are not the copyright holders
pallid epoch
true.
coral torrent
If you sign a dmca on something that somebody else owned and you had no right to do so, you can and will be sued in civil court
tawny sentinel
You cannot file a DMCA on somebody elses behalf however, only the author or someone directly representing him.
lost vapor
Yeah I know that much.
Just was wondering what happens if he gets a DMCA strike
Will he no longer be able to post things on the workshop?
A temp ban?
coral torrent
No
The item will be removed eventually
He can reupload it as many times as he want to
lost vapor
And nothing will happen? Even if all of them get DMCA'd?
coral torrent
Bans for repeating offenders are something we wished for but thats not happening afaik
faint nacelle
yeah valve does not really care to enforce their own rules
coral torrent
It took them years of cs:go scamming to ban repeating scammers from trading
They dont give a shit about dmca's ... if they were not as U.S company they would not care about dmca's at all
They follow the order to take something down and thats it
faint nacelle
well at least that is possible
carmine folio
The only realistic way to be sure something stays off the workshop for the most part is going to be automated DMCAs.
coral torrent
By law not really possible
Each dmca must be signed by the person that issues it as this person states a legally binding claim that the content that shall be taken offline is their IP
An automated process could fail and or lead to people filing contents that just slipped in, and who is responsible then
Also i dont think most dmcas are always the same. Urls change, descriptions of what exaclty is to be taken down changes
carmine folio
That is how the big copyright holders are doing it for Youtube and usenet etc. There is just no way they are doing that by hand. Yes it does result in false strikes but no one cares about that either.
coral torrent
Excactly ... Bi could ban those people from using arma for example
@carmine folio Nope, not at all. they are filed by people who are only doing that all the time
There are lawyers who specialize in IP rights and they have employees who file such claims
Also a false claim can cost you thousands or in case of the movie industry millions of USD
A youtuber whos video is taken down can sue the person who falsely took his video down for all the money he eventually might have made with it
In the us and also in the EU the court sides with the person damaged and is often willing to pay sums that are way higher than reality would have been
In case of arma and mod uploads, dmcas are the only way to get a reupload off the workshop, there is no money involved
If there would be another way that is easier and automated everbody would agree to go with that
Aks @dull moon how much work he has with filing such dmcas
But its the only way right now
The little "Report" Flag on the workshop page eventually goes into void ... i dont think they even save any reports there ... its eventaully just to make people feel better if they can flame a person there and tell him "Oh boy your getting reported soooo hard"
While it does nothing
Dmca's instant success, if you are the owner -> nothing to fear -> profit ?
faint nacelle
Ive understood Dwarden reviews the flagged mods from time to time.
dull moon
It's only a metric shit ton of work If i haven't checked the WS in a while. Once i got the pile down to a couple, it's 5-10 DMCAs a week. Sometimes more, sometimes less.
It's getting nasty If they file a counterclaim. This happend in the past quite often, but since i attach a complete file list in the DMCA of the violating item that can be seen by valve and the violator, the counterclaims went to zero
My proof guidence is as tight as a virgins.... you know...
The violator can't stand a chance If he decides to counterlaim
faint nacelle
π
dull moon
And RE repeat offenders:
Nobody gives a single fuck about it. Neither BI, nor Valve
Sad... just sad...
There was once an offical statement about respecting others IP rights from BI in a sitrep, but that's it.
Same effect like trying to prevent japanese whale hunters in their big ass ships from doing their thing with a RIB
Go greenpeace
fossil basalt
@lost vapor when you say And nothing will happen? Even if all of them get DMCA'd? I am aware of a certain modder who doesn't have to work due to the money collected from a DMCA lawsuit that went to court.
fossil basalt
Live in the US, know someone who specializes in DMCA takedowns
dull moon
π€
dull moon
opens yellow pages, looking for lawers in ip/copyright
faint nacelle
you would need someone to make a counter-claim and get that to court though
fossil basalt
What helped this particular case was the number of DMCA's against the individual and the number of times it was "shared". Yeah, HG, the guy and his dad challenged it and lost "bigly".
dull moon
So this means i need to hold back my file lists to tease counterclaims π€
Deal
π
fossil basalt
(LexisNexis is your friend)
tawny sentinel
Guessing the person who was convicted had a lot of assets? @fossil basalt
fossil basalt
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
pliant oar
@fossil basalt i suggest you ask the modder who was his lawyer/law firm who represented him and ideally to offer 1% of slice if he recommends it to others with similar problem π
it will become domino effect, happy lawyers, won lawsuits, rich modders and crying IP thieves ... everyone wins
@dull moon i do what i can about repeated offenders but atm. the toolset for administration/moderation is quite limited (clunky or feature lacking)
also about casual reports (flagged) steam items ... often the report is so generic that i can't really tell what IP violation it relates to at all
soft egret
Does the.. eh... lol forgot it's name...
Does that thingymabob that scans workshop stuff have a feature to alert when a file is found in a new upload?
dull moon
Not yet, but iirc optix was thinking about automated scanns and email notification
@pliant oar
I've sent email to BI once about a reuploaders, and all i got was (in short): even If we (BI) would do smth about repeat offenders on the WS, they could use other platforms to redistribut, so why even bother. Contact your lawyer...
AMA (Arma Mod Alliance) sent a huge email with a lot of suggestions on how to get a hold on reuploaders and repeat offenders, even solutions on how to aggravate reuploads, and the response was βwe think about itβ and the part in one of the sitreps to respect others IP...
We all know it is not easy, and iirc we offered help on that, but nothing happens. So what are we supposed to think about all this?
pliant oar
you need to realize that the platform is owned by Valve so it's ultimately up to them what features and solutions become possible
pliant oar
it's broken Discord, when it fails to cache names it will look like @dusty mulch_Lutz_(audiocustoms)#5482 instead of @dull moon
grand oyster
π
soft egret
The question now is.. Why is that weird chris cached. And why is he missing in my database. π€
He was last active mid 2016 XD. WTF Discord
Btw easy fix. Enable developer mode. Then copy userID with rightclick->Copy ID. And then use <@ID> to mention @dull moon
soft egret
@dull moon
fossil basalt
Damn mobile
soft egret
Is there even developer mode on mobile? π
dull moon
@pliant oar
I'm well aware of that. But there are options even before it will be a valve case. As optix proofed very well one can do almost magic with the steam API and it's implementation.
First off, a big ass warning If one hits the upload button on the publisher like βmake sure you are the rightholder of the content you are trying to upload. If not, make sure you have written permission by the autor to upload to the WS. Reader the steam and BI eula. If you are violating ip and copyright, expect a DMCA that can lead to a legal case.β
Once this is accepted by the uploader, check a database for already avaliable content (same as the crawler does) and suggest dependencies to the original content, ect...
pliant oar
@soft egret one never knows when the highlight fail until it does
@dull moon as usual easier said that done, it was suggested to Valve, also we can't do things as easily as community workaround because terms
dull moon
I was under the impression that the publisher is BI software, and what terms do you mean?
long mantle
They distribute by using Valve software (steam) and have to apply their terms
In this case it would be terms for publishers, probably not the same as terms for customers
dull moon
Exactly, but the software that is used to upload mods (publisher) is BI software. At least what i thought. If so, what is the Problem to add a warning msg that refers to said terms for uploading like suggested?
safe arrow
Do you really think, those guys will read those texts and not just click them away because YOLO? As they are not interessted in licenses, warnings etc that wouldnt do much i suppose.
Only chance to keep that under controll would be the ban-hammer i.e. by forbidding them access to the workshop, banning their steamaccounts or even ban them from the game (as they violated the terms they accepted when buying the game).
And even then they will not understand but cry out how unfair BI is to their playerbase....
dull moon
Almost 40% of all my DMCAs are because ppl have no clue how this works and what the consequences are. I've spent a lot of hours explaining why i DMCAed them and how to run this stuff. A warning, even with links to HowTo pages would save me a Fing lot of time
safe arrow
How did they react after your explanaitions? Cause in the steam discussions or the mod comments i only see ignorance most of the time, thats why i was sceptical to you sollution.
soft egret
Yes. There are idiots that willingly violate copyright and then start to flame around when someone DMCA's them.
And then there are people who didn't know and then are quiet about it because they are embarrassed and also don't want people to attack them because they made a mistake once.
dull moon
@safe arrow
Almost all it them complied and where more or less thankful.
Sure, some where like you said. But those are just a few
But even just let's say 30% less DMCAs because of a warning would be a kick ass start
(From my point of view)
Not sure about @echo orchid and RHS
echo orchid
i don't explain anything anymore to anyone
i just DMCA stuff
but yeah a lot of people are re-uploading to steam because they consider a mod has no license attached to it, so they can do anything they want, or because they have no clue about collections, or they have issues with a huge number of individual mods and the launcher, or they just wanna cherry pick some stuff out of a mod
i said this before quite a few times - having a notification before pushing publish would help quite a bit, i would say would cut re-uploads by at least 30%
so i do agree with @dull moon
for everyone else that doesn't give a fuck on IP rights, a handful of bans and blocks for either ArmA or Steam will help quite a bit
safe arrow
Okay, thanks. Didnt expect that many positive feedback. Then there is still hope (for some) π
trail glacier
Joining in a bit late on the MOCAP(Kol9yN) talk but it got me scared for a second:
When talking reupload, it is about unmodified work as provided by the original author and not derivative work that had be substantially altered right?
His work was licensed under "GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE" (Version 2, June 1991) so it should be ok to upload my ace integration to workshop right?
(While including the same licence.txt, mentioning him as co author and including a remark of which files are under the effect of said licence)
safe arrow
That would work, as you so to speak have the rights to publish this work (refering to steam license 6D). Best thing to do: include a link to the original work where this license is written down to be sure and everything should be fine.
faint nacelle
the Steam rules still need you to be the IP owner
so he could still dmca you for whatever you upload and he made
if you upload just compatibility patch thats all your made and refer it to need his stuff then that should work
safe arrow
No thats not totally true @faint nacelle
In particular, with respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors).
The part in the brackets states that you can also do so, when you have the rights to submit others work.
faint nacelle
goes to gray area because his work is not "original" to the ace compatibility mod and he is not really part of it
he could still claim he does not want it to be uploaded to SW
because everyone contributing must agree
fossil basalt
@trail glacier you will find that kol9ynβs βmocap modβ is not on the workshop any longer. That should tell you something.
safe arrow
Yep thats right, all parties involved have to allow the upload or give the rights to do so.
Otherwhise anyone can illegaly copy a work, put a free license on it and make it legal for the next one to do anything he wants.
trail glacier
I am not attaching a new licence, it was distributed under the gnu.
Man I am lurking this channel much but I still fail at ip -.-
safe arrow
The question is: Did he have the right to publish his work at all? If not, his license is worth nothing
soft egret
If all involved parties have to agree. Does that also count in the guys he paid to make his stuff?
fossil basalt
I may be wrong, but I donβt think GNU GPL applies to Content created with Bohemias tools, so I donβt think it is even valid.
soft egret
ACE is also using GPL. But only for their source.
https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/bohemia-interactives-tools-end-user-license
Nope. 3.4. only forbids to use anything created using the tools for commercial purpose. Doesn't enforce any license on the created content
fossil basalt
Right, but then slapping a copy left license on top of it (which allows commercial purposes) implies that people can then do what they want with it.
soft egret
Yeah. He should add a note about the not allowed commercialization
fossil basalt
He should not have put a copy left license on it period.
Itβs a (failed) attempt at usurping rights
dull moon
CUP-License
ezpz...
π
faint nacelle
in there is a clause you give #350 to CUP?
fossil basalt
CUP Koins
dull moon
Inoffical, the #350 has to be paid to chirs
soft egret
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1268923543 Anyone know the original author? Is he here?
dull moon
But... Why...?
He even links to the original... Wtf?
soft egret
Yeah.. See how he links the original in here http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1308786234
Sounds like a couple 14yo who thought it would be funny to open a SWOP server
soft egret
Okey. After reading their rulebook and server advertisement post(german).. I have to correct myself.
11yo*
grand oyster
I think > Variable.A#6502 may be the author of the original
carmine folio
found another one : http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1302215919
woops sorry for the mention Dedmen
fossil basalt
@dull moon CHIRS
dull moon
WHERE ARE MA GODDAMN #DREEFIDDY?
hallow lark
Any suprise a modpack for the Star Wars mod wouldnt follow licensing?
fervent needle
Yes, its shocking!
tawny sentinel
You've been a naughty boy I can see @carmine folio https://imgur.com/a/95AVa
carmine folio
ikr
lesson learned; don't leave Steam open
at least, I thought that was the issue
though I could play Mw2 multiplayer even when it said "VAC Banned"
but that's besides the topic π
clear mulch
you get a VAC ban these days for keeping steam running?
π©
but okay its off the topic
carmine folio
I left it open in a public room back in 4th grade high school
bronze oasis
And then your younger brother came by and used hax on your account?
carmine folio
hope not
don't even have a younger brother
dunno what happened
didn't play for years
also, off-topic (again)
queen helm
hey guys. not directly IP right violation related, but I figured this would probably be the most closely related channel to ask this...
built a website for arma mission/slot management, one of the recent suggestions was to add a mission "restriction" based on DLCs required. would like to add an indication of those requirements using the little DLC icons arma uses (https://prnt.sc/is650m).
I've tried searching in the press kit/FTP, but didn't find anything related to that anywhere... I would assume it wouldn't be too hard to get the images from the game files, but I'd obviously not want to use them if BI does not approve.
any ideas if they'd be fine with it? or should I just go contact them directly to check?
soft egret
Just use the ones from the BIKI
Game files could indeed be a problem. But the icons on BIKI are already publicly available.
Or even the icons from Steam
queen helm
hmm, BIKI is actually a good idea, looks like the only have the DLC logos though, which are probably really hard to distinguish once reduces to the small size I need them to be π might see if I can find something on Steam's page though
soft egret
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Armaverse_Timeline#Legend Looks like the same icons though
queen helm
I... am blind
tyvm, @soft egret . much appreciated. sorry for being blind while looking on there π
desert sparrow
Found the same Modpack REuploaded again.
I already reported it once but they just REupload it.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1332437024&searchtext=project+roleplay
*Edit
Using CUP - Weapons
dull moon
FFS, I'm still behind my DMCA time schedulde and new shit pops up day after day...
Btw @fossil basalt
He deleted your comment cold blooded
fossil basalt
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
fierce ocean
lol, this allowed? http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1324681536
novel goblet
No. Besides it being a reupload which is against Steam WS terms, it is also against CUPs license which explicitly say you cannot upload it to Steam WS (or in fact any public hosting site or similar).
In addition, even if it were just a texture pack done properly, that is still prohibited without explicit written permission:
"You are not allowed to create or Share Adapted Material without explicit Written Permission given by the Licensor."
soft egret
He even gives links to the Authors.. But not the actual real authors π
neon crater
Reupload authors? 
clear mulch
Retexture not allowed? Wot?
soft egret
retextures are allowed
but looking at the size of that pack.. It's quite big for just retextures. Also their pack doesn't require the original
So why would a retexture pack be bigger than expected. And not require the models that are being retextured?
You have 0 guesses free.
clear mulch
no in reply to Muzzleflash..
In addition, even if it were just a texture pack done properly, that is still prohibited without explicit written permission:
and yeah that wasnt just texture pack, its clearly reupload
soft egret
Retextures are allowed. If you don't just paint over the original texture but make a completely new one
clear mulch
how is anyone able to do that without source files?
soft egret
Well.. It's not easy π
These guys went to quite some effort... They repacked every PBO.
novel goblet
But wouldn't the config entries that overwrite the original textures be a derived work?
soft egret
They even made sure to include a repack of a outdated version of ASDG joint rails
No. Config entries are not derived.
clear mulch
well you cant really β’ the config
novel goblet
Trademark has nothing do with it.
soft egret
\Addons\squad_BMP3.pbo\data\preview\CUP_O_BMP3_RU.jpg
\Addons\squad_2S6M.pbo\CUP_2S6M_Tunguska.p3d
clear mulch
if one can make mod he is quite capable of rewriting the config, so what with it? CUP used A3 configs as example, it didnt made it up
safe arrow
You dont have to use their configs. Just call their classnames and make own with hidden selections for textures and new classnames of your reskins. No need to reupload anything, just make CUP a dependency. Its rather easy without compromising any licenses or copying configs.
{
hiddenSelections[] = {"camo1"};
hiddenSelectionsTextures[] = {"MYMOD\textures\MYMOD_awesome_texture_co.paa"};
};```β
The overall retex mod would have a couple MB rather then downloading weapons and vehicles again. It's just bullshit since over 900k subscribers already have cup weapons
keen trout
it's one of the featured mods on the arma 3 steam workshop start page now
fossil basalt
As Dwarden said, if its reported correctly with enough information for him to act on....
Otherwise, we just wait for Chirs
dull moon
#350
carmine folio
212th Attack Battalion Modpack still not taken down? Thought ACE/CUP etc were so against IP right violations
grand oyster
I didn't think ACE was, CUP is for sure though
carmine folio
yea you're right
ACE was the exclusion of the lot
maybe I should send their devs the link?
kind sand
Guess it's down.
faint nacelle
reuploading soonβ’
dull moon
finally got some time left -> DMCA RAMPAGE
dull moon
@soft egret
i'm currently doing DMCA stuff. do you want me to send you TFAR related stuff?
dull moon
soft egret
@dull moon If you find TFAR 1.0 stuff then maybe. Aka tfar_* PBO name. But if that's in any collection of mods I don't care. Only if it's the only thing in the pack and the pack has Task force radio name.
So you don't need to bother I'd say ^^
echo orchid
@Chris_Lutz_(audiocustoms)#5482 yeah cheers, there are more that i need to take care of
clear pike
compact merlin
@Night515#4273 Wait, you mean, that it isn't enough to close the hatch and cut off several details to call it "my new glorious model" and sell it for 120$? π
https://pp.userapi.com/c840223/v840223581/89790/-FF3K-ZHqiY.jpg
soft egret
afaik yes @strong goblet
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1333620906 Just read the comments
scenic swallow
Hey guys I've got a question. Is it possible to claim legal action against another server / server owner because the acronym just happens to be the same? There's a tiny (and dead) community that's had the acronym for 9 years trying to threaten an extremely active one that's had it for 3
Also claiming they're "stealing" their name, etc. Even though the acronyms are completely different in meaning.
manic laurel
3 letters?
scenic swallow
Aye
dull moon
no, nothing they can do
manic laurel
I'd say it's more than common, sooo... big mouthers?
dull moon
afaik
scenic swallow
Cool. I'm a third party who's genuinely curious
fossil basalt
I would interject though, that if someone is trying to capitalise on anotherβs name and reputation, they may have a valid claim
scenic swallow
I only asked here since they immediately came into the discord threatening legal action and slandering the bigger community with things like "they purposely copied our name", "their admins are abusive" etc
fossil basalt
NEC, LG, IBM, ACE
scenic swallow
Yea, but their community is extremely dead. 0 activity on forum, next to no activity on their website, and their servers are empty for who knows how long
scenic swallow
They're claiming it's registered. But the same acronym is also registered with 5 other unrelated companies.
Or at the very least, used.
fossil basalt
Itβs context
scenic swallow
Am I allowed to name drop?
coral torrent
What county did they register it in. Does it even apply to your country etc
Sure you are allowed to do so
As long as it is not a server advertisement here that fine
It's simple to find out of their claim that they have it registered is true or not
scenic swallow
Ok. So.
Community making threats - AWG Anzuβs War Games
Community that's one of the largest exile communities - AWG Advanced Warfare Gaming
coral torrent
Every company or group or countries like the EU has a central database for that
scenic swallow
Ok. Apparently they're not registered under EU, US or CA
Still finding more shit out lol
dull moon
LOL
AWG is the brand of a pretty low buget clothingstore here π
scenic swallow
lmao
dull moon
got my first pair of working pants there, lasted less than 4 weeks π
coral torrent
And even if they will not have registered AWG but their full wittten name
scenic swallow
So the guy is just bullshitting. Cool. The slander ain't cool tho
coral torrent
Welcome to the internet. Kids who think their cool always act like they studied the law and threaten each other with all kind of bullcrap
dull moon
same as we do, but we are right here π
carmine folio
@dull moon hey chris can you add me on discord? I have a few questions for ya regarding licenses and i've heard you're the best to deal with that
dull moon
@carmine folio just PM me
dull moon
done
coral torrent
The only one able to sue you is by international laws somebody who registered trademarks in that regard and explicitly registered AWG and the sector your are working in must be the same.
dull moon
@carmine folio fire it up, you're added
coral torrent
So @scenic swallow Since neither of you two have registered anything this is set and done
dull moon
β
scenic swallow
Yep. I'm just a third party. Lol
coral torrent
The person who claims to have registered the trademark should be careful. He can be sued by the other party for making false claims and threating with legal action without the right to do so in that case. Some countries have a high sentence to pay there ...
But I assume the person offending is below the age of 21 and has nothing better to do than thinking his monitor will keep him safe from anything he does on the internet. He won't learn it. Personally I would have not even reacted on such a person. He would have been blocked off or ignored at best. People like that are not worth anybody's time
dull moon
@grave cedar
how many? one of the guys i DMCAed in tha past was about to come at me with 3 at once π
grave cedar
lol, he has a "team reviewing the case"
manic laurel
o-m-gee, dat bluff
honest flower
obviously eventually someone is going to have the same 3 letter acryonym
its like, inevitable, especially with 3 letters lol
Its not like youve copied his servers name, theyre completely different
what a goober
fossil basalt
Now that Iβm awake let me explain a bit more of what I spoke about before falling asleep. Nearby there is a Business called Top Gear. No trademark/copyright, none of that, but they existed under that name prior to the television show. They cannot be sued. Let me give another example OFPEC (Operation Flashpoint Editing Center). I donβt believe theyβve copyrighted the name, but if some βnew and very active groupβ came along with an entirely new meaning (Old Franco Prussian E Clan) came about trying to claim the name, they would well and truly be shot down in this community.
So, just because someone has not copyrighted a name, donβt be a d*ick and try to lift their name and use that names notoriety to enhance your own group (because itβs just wrong. Not saying you have, just making a generalised statement).
fossil basalt
And I forgot to ask, do they have a website with their name in it? If so, and if it predates your group, the other group may have legal precedence.
manic laurel
3 letters acronyms are plenty (heck, I double dare you to find an unused one ^^), but 3 letters acronyms in the same domain can start to become a fight topic.
Regarding clan names, they don't have a business issue, they are not pretending they are them (usurpation), they are not "building" upon their supposed reputation nor are they dirtying it, so clearly it is not an issue to any normal being.
fervent needle
The big one didnβt know the other existed until they started picking at them to change it. Picking a fight because someone else is more popular is what it seems to be
scenic swallow
^
heavy locust
the server making the accusations, saying they have a trademark is now refusing to produce said trademark application number, or their lawyers info.......
heavy locust
orly......!!!!!!
scenic swallow
YEP
heavy locust
he is in here just not talking, or responding to my messages, not sure i want to call him out, i was really hoping this might be resolved with the trademark application....
scenic swallow
@signal forum
scenic swallow
yea no clue lmao
mint edge
seems like an ignore situation
mint edge
you really did drop that card on my 4hed huh
scenic swallow
Dat light theme tho
neon crater
the light theme gives me migraines, especially if it's white on black
heavy locust
I am pretty sure they thought they could come in and scare us saying "we have a team of lawyers looking into this" but 48 hours now and no info on the lawyers or the trademark application number...
heavy locust
no that's a reply, but i still don't see any trademark application number, or lawyer contact info....
you might want to possibly contact your admin, Dark sometthing he was the one that came to the discord "threatning" (and i use that word lightly) legal action. in fact his exact words, were , "we have a team of lawyers looking onto the possible trademark infringement......".
carmine folio
@signal forum my account was hacked. I spoke to deadbolt about this. From my power of position why would I do such a thing?
heavy locust
its really not hard to figure you who is Anzu War gaming, and Who is Advanced Warfare Gaming
carmine folio
@signal forum being an infistar admin comes out with all the skids and people who actually can destroy your life from doxxing swatting and bruteforcing your life it's tough. I'm truly sorry that you had to go through with that. If there is anyway I can help out you let me know
pliant oar
this channel isn't for fighting private disputes ...
somber fern
that was spicy
kind sand
π πΏ
grand oyster
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1343160146
Reuploads of several other peoples work, Exile/CBA/HLC/SMA/Mozzie/TFAR/And more
kind sand
I guess 'it's go big or go home'.