this is our upload site
#ip_rights_violations
olive sparrow
dull moon
@river spear
river spear
Ehhhhhh
olive sparrow
and here is an example of a ripper uploading our mod under his own name. it contains the same files as in our mod
olive sparrow
ah ok thanks so much that was very fast!
does it take a long time to scan the workshop?
grand oyster
🤔
river spear
@cinder stump (aka Eggbeast)#3291 Yeah it has missed out on some stuff so it might take 4-5 hours for it to catch up
Might take less, just wait some hours and try again 👍
dull moon
thx
olive sparrow
@river spear thanks for the support mate - i just caught another 2 uploaders now it's working great
tawny sentinel
How many reuploads do you catch per week, roughly?
@cinder stump (aka Eggbeast)#3291
Oh for fucks sake
echo orchid
@river spear nais, missed it, just slammed 7 uploads 😃
dull moon
I checked this morning, i got roughly 25-30 reuploads to take down...
river spear
Sorry, hope this won't happen again ;D
dull moon
No problem at all. We are happy that such service exists at all
echo orchid
ahhh
hahha
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1164264893&tscn=1509489578 one more here ^^
@dull moon
dull moon
Thx, i did a search run this morning But haven't had the time to hunt yet
I think they are Part of the search
fossil basalt
@mint edge which bit? Your image or Tavania?
neon crater
@rapid cairn I doubt it, looks like cup may be repacked with it too
soft egret
No it's not legit. Afaik the Taviana author forbid reuploads
rapid cairn
Yeah I figured
shame
I was thinking it may have been legit because someone was sayign that the origin devs released it
but I checked on their forums and they didn't
soft egret
Does choosing a "Open" license like GPL prevent me from saying stuff like "Reuploading to Armaholic or Steam workshop is not allowed" ?
Because the license itself says "share wherever you want"
I know that Steam workshops license doesn't allow reuploads so that's solved already.
What about Armaholic or withSix?
dull moon
Armaholic and six devs monitor the releases on BIF and manage the uploads themself. I've never seen a reupload on those platforms
soft egret
Basically I only want to allow a single location to download it from. So I don't get old versions floating around everywhere
Well.. A few months ago I saw someone post a new mod on BIF with a "Reuploads are forbidden" and the first 2 posts under that were the Armaholic and withSix bots saying that the mod is now uploaded and available on their platform..
So...
dull moon
@soft egret
Take a look at the CUP license. I think that is what you are looking for
soft egret
OH! That's exactly what I need. Thanks
soft egret
SA just says share with a similear license.
As you forbid modify and share... That kinda includes the SA part
kinda... 😄
carmine folio
Dedmen: I know that Steam workshops license doesn't allow reuploads
I would debate that opensource license gives you the rights that steam is asking for. The license already gives the author permission to modify and redist the content & to also pass those rights on to endusers i.e valve.
So they don't need to ask for permission
Just use a non-derivate license like CCND or APL-ND, or easier don't license it all.
It is still protected via copyright (people will still re-upload though)
Funny thing is APL is more open license than APL-SA, some people make the mistake. Like comparing MIT & GPL
You could look at using htmlload or an extension for a version check to warn users their version is outof date
soft egret
My mod is protected by a Certificate with revocation list anyway.
If I revoke the certificate it won't work anymore. I can do that when I have some major update or something. My mod is a extension. But I would prefer not to have it phone home to my server on every usage.
CUP-L already does what i need.
carmine folio
That intercept or depending on BE? (revocation list)
soft egret
Intercept
carmine folio
Ahh cool
mint edge
for retexturing arma 3 paas what license does that fall under?
taking currently used textures changing them and uploading them
soft egret
mooost likely APL
mint edge
ok
amber fractal
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/comments/1180238650 so there are 5 servers online running Taviana right now. some have the workshop version, some the 0.4.1 from http://a3taviana.bid/ is it now OK to run?
mint edge
negative
tight copper
Is there any legal version of A3 Taviana at all?
I thought the owner forbid the ports of the map....
And the reuploads...
amber fractal
only version 1.0 from armaholic or BI forums.. released for arma 2 and no derivates allowed.
fossil basalt
The last word from the author was “NO”. So, no it will stay.
mint edge
a3bid is somebodys website, thus they have full reign over it
unlike workshop where action can be taken
faint nacelle
depends where it is hosted I guess
echo orchid
@mint edge lol, that is a myth....i took down shit from people's websites, it is a matter of 3 clicks to find out who your provide or host is, send C&D letter, bam, no more content 😉
mint edge
nice
dull moon
this might me interesting for @lofty steeple and the guys from FFAA (don't know the members) and maybe some others.
(sorry PuFu, no gifts this time... 😉 )
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1165591248
the content list:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/14_BVtHlmi2pum9GyawA-qye5_n78hgIX/view
vale steeple
@echo orchid Depends on the country and provider where the files are being hosted at. Some offshore hosting providers don't care about US or international law and would wipe their ass with a DMCA or infringement notice. In the case of taviana.bid, the domain was registered by namecheap and the website is also being hosted by namecheap which is hosted in the US, so very easy to peform a takedown if Martin cared to, which he should. Whoever is running the site and doing updates to the map is doing a very terrible job updating the map.
echo orchid
of course it is country dependant...that being said, as long as it is EU and US, no one sane enough will skip a C&D letter
vale steeple
True, someone should poke him about it to be honest if he doesn't already know. The site has been up for quite awhile and it's kind of tarnishing the original map with these supposed updates this guy has applied to the map.
echo orchid
can i have a link for that?
eternal laurel
I have a complicated question. Any help would be amazing.
We found another server that stole our map/mission and is running it (unedited) withour our permission. What options do we have? Thank you again for any help.
vale steeple
@echo orchid http://a3taviana.bid/
@eternal laurel what map is it? If you are the author of the map and they reuploaded it to the steam workshop you are well in your rights to file a DMCA.
eternal laurel
@vale steeple Not uploaded to workshop. Map is Tak, mission is ours. Found a russian server running it without permission. Don't know what options we have if any...TKS
dull moon
winged vapor
blazing wyvern
thats the worst
vast notch
Always good, to add some restrictions in client mod/mission using https://simplicity-studios.ml/sqf/encrypt.html then it's useless to anyone else
soft egret
That site was never online for me. And it also isn't now.
My server can access it! from france... From Germany google DNS says it doesn't exist. From France google DNS finds it.
wtf is dis
vast notch
Wierd why it's blocked there
soft egret
I don't understand how google dns (8.8.8.8) fails to resolve it here. But works fine on my server.
river spear
@soft egret I use the google DNS aswell and its working fine here
soft egret
It was never working when I tried it at home.
Now I'm at work and also not working.
When I VPN to my server it works just fine
Which of these methods is the best? as far as I can see none of these do anything if I can copy and run the code.
also btw use private. It makes the script faster ^^
also pushBack instead of set[_i,_var].. This is getting to #arma3_scripting 😄
vast notch
I just use the reverse string for protecting stuff in mission files, that's usually enough to stop the kind of people who rifle through others files
soft egret
I wonder how fast these would be if they were actually optimized sqf code...
vast notch
I just use it on non critical stuff, like calls when a player joins, it doesn't matter if it takes an extra few milliseconds to init something on the client at join
echo orchid
@subtle pecan Lutz (audiocustoms)#5482 cheers, DMCAed it as well
dull moon
👍 🤘
minor sonnet
So I wonder if GamersPlatoon and Martin gave up fighting people uploading Taviana yet =p
Theres a new upload popping up every other day
vale steeple
I don't think so @minor sonnet I've seen a few get taken down every once in awhile.
fossil basalt
Probably done in the same way Dwarden does it, waits to do multiple at once.
tawny sentinel
Wait, Dwarden is a fellow Workshop crawler? Heh. 😄
carmine folio
dude has 4 workshop submission and all seem suspicious
dull moon
@mint edge
Did you run it through the crawler?
mint edge
not yet
was too tired last night lol
mgsr_headbag.pbo... Finding reuploads (22/1017)
ugh
so much shit
jbad in there
dull moon
CUP, rhs?
mint edge
ah
dull moon
Jup, it has CUP in it. Seems like smb is distributing this exact modpack. I've taken this pack (multiple uploaders) down quite often
river spear
@dull moon Checked that by the names of the files?
dull moon
Names AND hash
river spear
Ah yeah 😛
dull moon
But these packs use mostly outdated CUP content (1.3.0)
So it must be around for Some time, haven't found many with latest version
tawny sentinel
Seems like assets were ripped from ME
This mod is an unofficial resource and is in no way linked to Mass Effect games. The "Mass Effect" brand and all the intellectual content of this mod is based on the property of its owners and the use of which is exclusive for non-profit purpose.
It is forbidden to distribute the content of this package by itself, or as part of another distribution, using the Steam Workshop by anyone other than the mod authors (OPPOSITION Studios).
😂
Assets might be ripped from star wars as well.
mint edge
i see a link to russian facebook from the author
i dont wanna generalize and say typical
but....
tawny sentinel
It certainly makes you think.
faint nacelle
also 0 level steam account soo...
were Valve enforcing the rules they could close all of those guys accounts
even the "main" ones
one can dream
mint edge
yeh you just get the same guy making new accounts to upload
soft egret
You can tell they know what they are doing
In case the Mod is taked out of Steam workshop , we will continue updating it and giving news in our official website.
They KNOW that they are doing something wrong.
IMO they should also get their Arma Account banned.
Everyone that openly says "Fuck you. Take it down! I don't care. I'm just gonna host it on my site then" should also get a Battleye ban on their Steam account.
tawny sentinel
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1191594545 probably stolen assets as well
soft egret
Don't think so.. Doesn't have as much detail as metro has. Metro has moss everywhere and stuff
mint edge
metro has been stated to be allowed to port assets in writing by the developers
im fairly sure i had a screenshot on my computer somewhere
mint edge
stalker survarium and metro are all essentially the same developers
well
split off studios
same original stalker devs founded studios for those 2 new games
faint nacelle
then theyre already separate entities
mint edge
ive seen in writing for survarium to be allowed porting of stuff
faint nacelle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
mint edge
metro im sure ive seen it but maybe not
faint nacelle
its the guys porting stuff who need to prove it tho
and even then it may be grey area because how the steam workshop rules are written
faint nacelle
all that would likely disallow any server monetisation
non commercial and all
which leads to more issues
why cant people just make their own shit
mint edge
the effort many people are willing to put into something wildy varies depending on the individual
porting stuff is the lazy way to get assets
maybe other reasons but its for people who wont dish out cash to get a model made or learn how to make them themselves xd
tawny sentinel
@serene loom could probably file a DMCA over the FHQ weapon pack. Nice find.
wooden ingot
@mint edge Glukhovsky is only creator of book series and doesn't have any rights to 3d assets in any metro game
He just allowed to use his universum in mods, not 3d assets itself
little crown
^^ 👍
carmine folio
Pst... Snitches.
hallow lark
👍
languid fog
This isnt Arma related but on a similar topic thought people might be interested in a quick read
fossil basalt
@carmine folio We don’t tolerate theft. If you’re going to insinuate that those who report theft are “snitches”, you’re more than welcome to leave this server.
coral torrent
I can not react to stuff so I just leave it like that: @fossil basalt +1
cobalt creek
@Arkensor#0120 done
mint edge
@wooden ingot thanks for the clarification
just gotta see if those assets he put into his addon are from the games then
amber eagle
afaik you can't used binned .p3d files in unity. The only way you can use .p3d models in unity is with a 3d ripper and in any case you have to use a 3d ripper, it's probably illegal.
carmine folio
Simple version you will prob need to email BI and ask them for permission.
undone pier
talk to Dwarden first
carmine folio
Really not a tip 😉 Also you will need to debin files etc & export them into a format you can use in unity aswell etc.
Should be good fun
fossil basalt
None that I’m aware of
fickle ivy
about that COD humvee case - you'd think that by this time their vehicles where used in so many games and transformative works that by now they should have lost the rights to call it their IP...
Thats why some companies are so crazy about shooting down anything that is not licensed immediately - out of fear to lose it. AM general has done nothing in the last decade propably to do anything about it...
seems like a stupid move to me - anybody who's creating games now will think twice about modelling that overrated thing and just use a competitor vehicle...
echo orchid
@carmine folio you can ask BI directly about it if you plan using their content, although my very simple request of some files in order to imporve an re-release them back for arma was denied.
If you plan using any of the 3rd party content, might wanna contact the authors.
@fickle ivy - neah, they own the trademark for the name, and that's about it when it comes to their military vehicles where 3d models are concerned
fickle ivy
"might wanna contact the authors" <- understatement of the year 😉 pitch-fork mob is at the ready
maybe they are hoping to pull something similar like the ah-10 battlefield case (which iirc was also settled out of court) and just use the court case as pressuring tool
undone pier
This Includes: 3Den Enhanced, 3DEN Objects, AceX, Bloodlust, @Lennard s weapon pack, @swurvin [No.4 CDO] s Immersion Sound pack, The WW2 Patches mod (All Versions), ARES, Immersion Cigarettes pack, And some other stuff i cant quite identify
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1193862704&tscn=1510361361
maybe someone is fancy to run a deep scan
hallow lark
Well that was quick
undone pier
just probably set to private
upbeat token
i love watching this section of the bi discord
fossil basalt
Why
tawny sentinel
It's usually bitter devs and veterans of A3 who grumble grumble about the steam workshop.
It's not that interesting.
carmine relic
Steam Workshop has a serious risk of modding becoming commercialized and any viable modding market = released there.
It's a rational precaution from many people who develop and produce mods as a passion without any intent to profit.
tawny sentinel
Aye, and it's a real downer for a developer having to actively enforce their IP when that time can be better spent actually developing.
This issue really ballooned when steam workshop integration came
Cue grumble grumble back in my days grumble grumble :p
fossil basalt
No, Steam Workshop is a great platform when used correctly. Sure it could have a few more features, but for “free”, we can’t complain. It’s the growing minority who violate the Steam Subscriber Agreement (and others’ IP) by reuploading/porting content that is not their own.
tawny sentinel
Yes, that is primarily what I'm referencing
Steam workshop is great when people's IP isn't being violated
fervent needle
/rant - sws should allow devs, or reputable devs to take down or apply punishments for sws abuse for their own game
Would make it better, like if devs could set up trusted mods etc like discord, which does a lot of things right in the user power settings
Their recent partnership showed this, game affiliated discords must fit certain rules to be deemed official by them. I am sure steam could benefit from the same and be able to lend power to devs to take actions
fossil basalt
Good point
fervent needle
Until people get tired of seeing their reuploads taken down over and over then they will finally stop, otherwise there is no real punishment. Which I think should be in the devs of the games hands because they are the ones that would be held responsible if a big studio were to come after them.
End /rant
mint edge
well the more valve has to waste time dealing with dmcas
the higher chance they will come up with a system to help take care of reuploads
carmine folio
Nah they will just have an automated system, to inform user their content has dcma claim. If they don't fight it, content will get removed etc
mental edge
^TotalBiscuit actually discussed this extensively in one of his latest (couple of months) videos. They are looking to improve the system, implementing something rather similar to what Andrew suggested, really. The question remains when...
carmine folio
Automated system won't ever work in arma case. To easy to modify files to past checksum checks.
Unrealistic to expect valve to check inside mod files for each game to check if they are similar etc
You need something that is actively policed. At best they could remove repeat offenders right to upload to workshop
vale steeple
I don't like the logic. I'd say if it makes it harder for someone to re-up another person's work, that's a good thing.
carmine folio
How you implement that? Takes 2 secs to modify a pbo or p3d etc
Could automated that in a script to bypass any checks
It's not gonna get fixed with actively getting policed etc or remove people's right to upload content imo
vale steeple
You're giving people that re-up content a lot of credit (knowledge wise) lol even if it stopped a handful of people that didn't know what they are doing. Still a plus. It's a bandaid for repeat offenders that don't know what they are doing.
mint edge
if i have something i really dont want reuploaded ill split it into dozens of pbos for every little thing i possibly can so when they repack it they have to repack like 50 pbos
grand oyster
ye but ur crazy
carmine folio
Only takes one person to put up a YouTube clip etc to show how to bypass a check
It take 10mins to write a script to automate doing it
Personnally if you implement that system. People will learn to bypass it and steam workshop crawler won't work anymore etc
You just need valve to blacklist repeat offenders etc
vale steeple
I think the general populace isn't even that smart to watch a youtube video, again just my opinion though
plenty of stupid people.
mint edge
it would be cute if valve let the companies that actually own the game the mods are being released on to be able to police their workshops
and then it would be evem better if someone was hired with the sole purpose of fucking up peoples day when they reupload stuff
carmine folio
You are assuming bi will spend money to police content etc
Barely any Dev work beening done in engine now
grand oyster
I was assuming he meant someone over at Valve was hired to do it
carmine folio
That makes zero sense etc
Valve wouldn't do that unless they got paid for that etc
grand oyster
True ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fossil basalt
But developers are left to moderate their own boards with some assistance from Steam's own team of moderators—30 volunteers and 12 Valve employees. That means Valve relies on 42 people to help police a community of over 125 million.
Retrieved 12/11/2017 from: http://www.pcgamer.com/steam-needs-better-tools-to-deal-with-toxic-users/
So, its not going to happen from Valve/Steam's side.
One step in the right direction is to allow Arma volunteers to assist. Not just anyone mind you, nor giving them the ability to takedown everything. If the BIF/Discord Moderators had the abilty to "pull the trigger" on every mod that had "I don't take any credit....." , "reuploaded for convenience", Etc. then that would at least be a start. Give us the ability to at least flag and prevent mods from being subbed/downloaded until such time that a BI employee can drop the hammer on them .
vivid timber
Yeah They really do need better tools to moderate the steam community
carmine folio
Pointless flagging something if there is no-one reviewing the content.
Unless someone is going to spend money reviewing addons for a game reaching end of life.
Then the best you can hope for is Valve to start removing repeat offenders rights to upload to arma3 workshop.
Or allowing the game dev todo the same, may require EULA changes shrugs
vivid timber
Makes sense
carmine folio
Also if BI fixed server query i.e workaround with ip/port to get full server listing using a different query protocol.
That would help prevent people repackaging addons due to server query info having to fit all the server info i.e mods/steamworkshop ids in a single udp packet.
That would reduce the number of people that repackage addons (its prob only a minority here but would help)
fossil basalt
Anything is better than nothing at this point
carmine folio
True but wishing for a company to spend money policing stuff is unlikely to happen (its just throwing money into a blackhole) and automated system will be defeated on day 1.
Afew things if done right, could help but i don't see it changing anytime soon 😦
fossil basalt
Volunteers cost nothing, hence the reason Valve use so many. Bi already take down mods periodically (but not often enough). If we (trusted volunteers) could flag them and put them in a queue for BI staff, it would streamline their workflow and ensure that many more unauthorised re-uploads/infringements are caught and stopped. My solution would cost absolutely ZERO.
carmine folio
You are omitting the fact BI Staff would be need to paid to review said content
Which isn't beening done atm
fossil basalt
They already do
Dwarden has been doing it for ages
But only when there are enough items in the queue to warrant dedicating time to do it
carmine folio
Thats once in a blue moon and they just submit basically submit a dcma, had this debate before
Plus that really isn't any better solution to current just file a steam dmca atm
undone pier
wise words Torndeco - many people are just way too naive in regards to companies actions
the only incentive is paid mods to have Valve and the developer make good money alongside - still the topic itself seems too tricky for most to handle
fossil basalt
I wouldn’t say my solution is better, but it’s better than the current state.
carmine folio
DCMA yourself is just faster, BI ends up doing the same on your behave.
I used to be under impression BI could remove any arma3 workshop content, till someone pointed out this wasn't the case (which is just really odd imo)
undone pier
its not about the current or desired state imo. the relevant topic is how you can get the important actors to care, or otherwise what can one/the community do itself
like if ppl care enough ask OPTiX to make a paid option that offers full automation (aside from last step of sending the prefilled DMCA)
cobalt creek
DCMA yourself is just faster, BI ends up doing the same on your behave.```
And then it ends up with a mail from Steam saying: "Pls do not report so many files, i am overloaded with work" ( ask @dull moon 😂 )Reply back, ahh thanks for reminding me i forget to send some 😃
cobalt creek
😄
tawny sentinel
@cobalt creek For realsies? O_O
cobalt creek
More or less, yeah. It was a something like: "Messages get deleted after N of time has passed, you send too many at once". So it sounded like, they just got 1 Person to do that ( lulz )
tawny sentinel
That is pretty funny, you know you file a lot of legitimate DCMA takedowns when you get such a message.
fervent needle
They stated please spread them out because too many were sent lol
tawny sentinel
Is there a copy of this email anywhere?
fervent needle
Probably in this channel somewhere
pliant oar
@carmine folio you way too overoptimistic about steamworks query protocol 😉
carmine folio
Nah you could workaround the limitation it instead of waiting for fix from valve
By passing info to query the larger info directly from the armaserver using a different protocol
Although adding server console warning that there is to much info to fit in the steam server query would be helpful to server owners.
proud flicker
river spear
@proud flicker Maybe they sell the models not as a p3d, hm, no idea
cobalt creek
Oh god... shabby Textures.
soft egret
You don't buy the model from them. That's free to use.
They only sell the "license" to use it on monetized servers
Atleast for the Bike... They don't provide a Public download for that Caravan house or the other stuff
tawny sentinel
New shops GUI? That just looks like a rehashed SimpleStore or whatever it's called
coral torrent
The fire extinguisher shoots like a weapon .. made my day
dull moon
that's one of the mails i got...
https://i.imgur.com/NFhgalv.jpg
@FlyingVolvo#6783
@cobalt creek
echo orchid
that was 1man's team in dispair
cobalt creek
😂 Yeah, that one @dull moon
dull moon
iirc it was shortly after the crawler went online and everybody was like "yeah, lets get those fuckers!", and dawn was like "why am i beeing spamed with DMCAs and who are these fuckers?"
😂
echo orchid
@dull moon that is because you, unlike myself, wasn't doing this weekly 😃
but you just reminded me to do a search now
dull moon
after that email i went to weekly checks. before the crawler went online i had no real chance to find reups unless somebody pointed them to me, or they where obvious
so i took the chance to mass report the reups after the crawler went online, in which resulted is "a little work" for valves DMCA dept. 😂
if i ever get to the valve HQ i'll make her a gift. some "panzerschokolade" so she can work on our reports 24h long, 7 days straight 😂
echo orchid
yeah i admit i had some help from 3rd party with query before the crawler was made
dull moon
sometimes we got help too, but the amusing kind.
somethink like two life servers had trouble with each other, so one came to us and reported their modpack. then the 2nd life server thought a 3rd party reported their pack and tried to piss them off by reporting them, and so on 😄
languid fog
Surely the Valve DCMA department is more than 1 dude surely. Otherwise just reflects how much importance they place on it
carmine folio
that job would suck if it were only one person
echo orchid
@dull moon, neah i actually meant exact same sort of quesry the crawler does, direct steam IDs based on existing .pbo hash
@languid fog they have a few tens for the entire steam workshop library
tawny sentinel
@Chris Lutz (audiocustoms)#5482 That’s both funny and depressing
dull moon
@lunar sentinel
@heady frigate
@sour edge
@blazing wyvern
PuFu gets no gifts this time...
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1196359862
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yEqARh5raBfGOD1mcW3pM8qZNoh5pWmA/view
river spear
@dull moon The guy that reuploaded has one of your guys in his friendslist https://steamcommunity.com/id/Alwarren
dull moon
and here is the gift for @echo orchid
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1103539948
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16PKuHhs0A0Bt9NqIgWZb2RTfFzGh1csM/view
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1178132968
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P6IfpRvnzjwGWdng1XguJkz3HX4okN5K/view
tight copper
@dull moon isnt it an idea to invite the poor guy in here so he can see what he has to deal with and so that he can convince his boss he needs a 100 man team 😂
Regarding the steam dcma guy
dull moon
i can send her a link but i highly dought she will join here
low pebble
I think they also need to enforce a DMCA understanding checkbox or something on steam when uploading on to the workshop.
[Click here if you understand that uploading other people their work without permission is against a law and you risk getting a DMCA]
Half of all the noobs re-uploading shit dont bother to read the licences involved or try contacting the author.
river spear
@low pebble The same people will tick such checkbox without reading it
low pebble
1 DMCA's strike and close account ¯_(ツ)_/¯
One of those fools uploading the stuff from Pufu wasn't even aware who made it, didnt know it was against the law and eventually removed it himself.
Btw how is ARA going?
celest quest
except then trolls would put false dmca claims to fuck people over
river spear
I personally would think people invest 3 seconds of thinking into that before having the idea of uploading stuff on the workshop... But I guess there are exceptions ^^
low pebble
That i' above average with my 15 minuts 😮
river spear
I mean I personally don't know anyone that would eg upload something to workshop without getting the basic grip on what happens with the content and what you can uploaf
Loaf.
low pebble
load? 😂 **
dull moon
Btw how is ARA going?
What is ARA?
@low pebble
low pebble
That was ment for @river spear
grand oyster
@dull moon It's Armaremoteadmin by ^
dull moon
Ah, got it
dull moon
Mod:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1097752587
List:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vxZ7bFum21vEqhS9fqtHdYDJapMI3_Gk/view
@latent mesa
@sour edge
@proud flicker
mortal dust
fossil basalt
Most likely.
tawny sentinel
A heads up to all my lovely peeps https://twitter.com/toadie2k/status/935020207357095936
Since previews are disabled, Toadie will have a all in one official upload on the workshop soon, and he sent out a request for us to ask the unofficial uploads to take them down pending his official upload
dull moon
like i wrote to his tweet, almost no luck... most of the reups are lifers who simply don't give a wet fuck. brute force required
tawny sentinel
@heady frigate We'll probably tag you here for those who are unwilling to listen to reason so you can file DMCAs easily, you okay with that?
heady frigate
yep
tawny sentinel
Awesome ❤
dull moon
👍
@heady frigate
i did a quick search for NiArms / HLC on the ws...
how serious are you with reuploads?
i mean like, do you want them all to be gone?
heady frigate
Not all of them no, Some have sought and were granted permission(usually I request that as part of it they link back to my profile or items they're including, clear credit retention, stuff like that) . Really my beefs are the ones that don't even bother with that or are clearly trying to rip off.
(sorry if that makes this a more complex task for you)
dull moon
not for me, you are the one who has to keep track of who has permission or not ^^
but as for NIArms Core you got like 80ish uploads 😄
heady frigate
I BET you that most of them are in complete sets
tawny sentinel
Hey, all the more practice for me to use my excel spreadsheet skills
Also, making people respect your copyright is a good thing, and we're glad to help here.
river spear
I always get confused when his name is toadie2k everywhere but in my Steam list he has a different name 😄
coral torrent
toadie1.5k @river spear
heady frigate
cough she cough , also fun names for fun things. everything else gets when 15 year old me thought was cool. @coral torrent actually, on Steam it's Still A Lime .
carmine folio
When someone reports my content to steam (i got a message from the reporter) who do i contact to prove that it is my content? Or do I not worry about it until steam sends me a message?
faint nacelle
steam contacts you Id presume
carmine folio
And just to be clear, the usage of A3 Samples in my content is fine correct?
faint nacelle
yes as long as you adhere to the included license
dull moon
what got reported? the sample stuff or original content?
carmine folio
One sec
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1193266277
Thats my mod and thats what the reporter reported
Only used A3 Samples for configs from the Test Heli
dull moon
wait until steam contacts you. if the reporter is a troll, dont give a flying F
faint nacelle
Sounds a lot like a troll yeah
and if he has just reported (flagged) it I think there would need to be maany of those before any action is taken.
if he has made false DMCA claim steam will contact you and you get a chance to explain
carmine folio
Thanks for the input 😄
dull moon
Np.
No worries, false DMCA claims are illegal and most likely lead to a ban of the troll
carmine folio
I'd hope so lol, i spent countless nights figuring out what was wrong with my shadowlod before i thought to ask in discord
fossil basalt
Where is the model from?
river spear
Hm I could probably rewrite the crawler page and make it so you can add items to be monitored, whitelisted workshop ids and each day it does a scan and sends you the result via email if the item hasn't been sent to you via email yet
🤔
grand oyster
That'd be coooooooool
dull moon
@OPTiX#6431
this would be awsome!
fervent needle
@fossil basalt he made the mozzie based off of the a2 one
grand oyster
In his SW post, quote "Based on the ARMA 2 Mozzie however this is all done from scratch"
hallow lark
Appears to have already been cleared up.
cobalt creek
OPTiX - Today at 12:09 PM
Hm I could probably rewrite the crawler page and make it so you can add items to be monitored, whitelisted workshop ids and each day it does a scan and sends you the result via email if the item hasn't been sent to you via email yet```
@river spear You still haven't done that? tztztz 😛@fossil basalt made the mozzie in blender so its OC
but its based off of a picture of the arma2 mozzie
dull moon
@river spear
is it possible the crawler hung up? it is still showing me results from 26th
river spear
@dull moon I'll have a look when I'm home
dull moon
🤘
thx
river spear
@dull moon give it 2 hours and it will be up to date again
heady frigate
I'm pretty sure they do, I'll have to go back through PMs to double check
tawny sentinel
Alright no hurry, thanks gurl :^)
carmine folio
tawny sentinel
@heady frigate http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1091296035&tscn=1512242982 Uploaders have deleted both yours and mine request(asked today) for them to take it down, suggest you file DMCA since they've been warned twice.
@blazing wyvern what license did you release RH pistols under?
Nvm, checked, here's a reupload of it, same bunch of mongs who refused to take down toadie's stuff despite asking nicely. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1092487827
It's a reupload of RH Pistols, checked myself
blazing wyvern
r_pistol 😂
neon crater
No copyright intended , Do people understand what "Copyright" and "Trademark" actually mean? Lol.
What they're really saying is: We don't want a DCMA, please look the other way
true hollow
@tawny sentinel I've just filed the DMCA, they had all the chances in the world to take it down.
river spear
@neon crater I always wondered why they write that on their pages
It's not like these notes are only on pages of people that don't speak English properly
tawny sentinel
@Nam#7130 Great, and yeah, Toadie herself asked before I did several days ago. Sucks when people won't listen...
amber eagle
lilac swift
'scuse me, but I don't suppose anyone's heard of anything regarding Killoch's MNP uniform mod on the Workshop, i.e. was it slated for DMCAs etc? I can't exactly recall who the re-uploader was and it appears to no longer exist on the Workshop anymore.
Link to workshop page: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=687513604
Just wanted to know if the author just decided to pull it or if it was for legal reasons etc, and if it was the latter, then sucks 'cause I like it but had to be done.
neon crater
@lilac swift Download from the original author. If the original author ripped or stole items then it should not have existed in the first place
ember berry
There is no official version of MNP on the steam workshop and we only use the steam workshop for our community. And I don't think Killoch is still active in the community, he hasn't been on the forum in 2 years.
neon crater
@ember berry Yeah, then i would just settle with: doesn't matter if the author isn't around, reuploads are never okay
ember berry
I know, but I don't think there is a way to contact him for permission to upload.
neon crater
Right, which makes all these re uploads illegal
tawny sentinel
Time to find out if you can file multiple DMCAs over one workshop entry @true hollow
😆
Another by the same guy
true hollow
Was literally just going to link that
true hollow
Is there a better way to look for illegal uploads? I'm having to download all these different modpacks.
gaunt geode
@river spear has a neat application to do it
true hollow
That sounds amazing
My internet isn't the fastest, so downloading modpacks looking for NIArms stuff takes a while
true hollow
Thanks! I now realise that I haven't even scratched the surface on the reuploads.
tawny sentinel
NP
neon crater
I used the workshop crawler on the ni arms just for kicks and gigles to see how well it works, and....
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=598235630
dull moon
tawny sentinel
@Chris_Lutz_(audiocustoms)#5482 Heh, my defense is that I was on mobile all day 😉
soft egret
I don't understand these Idiots that use ASDG JR AND CBA... Just doesn't make sense.
I bet searching for ASDG JR is also a good way to find reuploads made by idiots.
tawny sentinel
Reading the description of a mod and learning that something is depreciated requires far too much of a attention span
soft egret
Exactly the same as reading the steam workshop agreement thingy. Or the licenses of other mods that you copy.
So if someone get's one wrong.. They most likely got all three wrong.
undone pier
some of which i sugest diferent sernarios such as jade grove would be good for a fallout new vegas sernario
all these maps are direct imports from arma 1 and arma 2
note: none of these maps where made be me also winter serarni will appear as southern serarni
sorry for my bad spelling im not a very good speller```
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1179120545terrains have tons of reuploads and packs..
cobalt creek
🤦
languid fog
Not a bad mod idea though, I personally havent seen anything else like that haha
But yea, what was he thinking
random temple
He was thinking "Nobody reads this stuff anyways" 😂
dull moon
well, it's not the 9gag post title...
cobalt creek
-9g
+9f
hushed fox
Hello everyone, I have a question. if I use one of the A2 models that are under the APL, and use a portion of a config.cpp file from an author that has ported this model to A3, is it enough to cite the source (something that I always do regardless), or am I not allowed to use it?
I read from https://www.bistudio.com/community/licenses/arma-public-license:
If You Share Adapted Material You produce, the Adapter’s License You apply must not prevent recipients of the Adapted Material from complying with this Public License.
but I don't know if this applies.
carmine folio
APL isn't APL-SA, you could only use the file if the addon itself was licensed as APL.
Just contact the author its only a config.cpp chances are they will say yes
carmine folio
Also some people dont see to be aware APL is more freer than APL-SA. Its like comparing BSD & GPL
hushed fox
ok
thank you, i will not use the config, for such a simple thing i’ll do it myself then
less hassle
clear pike
cough https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1587800 @pliant oar
pliant oar
notified LFRT (legal fast response team) , drop enroute
neon crater
Figures it's a FP thread
pliant oar
nothing worth seizing found, explosives planted, area demolished as warning
echo orchid
especially old farts of ArmA, have a look here, there is content ripped from RHS, CSLA, vilas etc
https://3dexport.com/major21
tulip nexus
@chilly silo I see Messiah's Foxhound on there
but yeah, there's OFrP, Vilas, Cleggy, CSLA, BoH/JSDF, SFP, HAFM all sorts of Arma modders models there
tulip nexus
@jovial ginkgo Your XA-203, right?
tawny sentinel
Why do these sites bother with these generic liabilities claim that never hold up in court? 😒 https://imgur.com/a/ayAm3 (Pic is excerpt from 3dexport EULA)
keen trout
urgh, quite a few of our SFP models there 😦
echo orchid
very tempted to c&d the website besides reporting the user
keen trout
that page is just sad
soft egret
You have to hit that guy hard. Or else he'll just pop up again elsewhere
tawny sentinel
@echo orchid If you have the patience, go for it.
echo orchid
i have templates for everything
tawny sentinel
Even better, heh
echo orchid
the website is US based, so they should take it serious enough
chilly silo
I've just emailed the host, the website site provider and hit up their respective facebook pages. I'll let you know if I get anything back
tawny sentinel
@echo orchid CA registered from what I can find, happy filing.
echo orchid
@chilly silo reported via website, contacted host, let me know if/when you have an answer
chilly silo
will do
chilly silo
@echo orchid Hello,
Thank you for contacting our Support. My name is Andrew, it is my pleasure to assist you today.
We apologize for this inconvenience. We have just deleted this model.
Don't hesitate to post any questions here, if you need something else we will help you with pleasure.
Have a great day!
Kind Regards,
3DExport Support Team
Its gone
wary tundra
#hatepoliteamericansinsincerebullshiteatmyshit
chilly silo
lol
echo orchid
@RKSL Rock#0947 got the same:
Thank you for contacting our Support. My name is Andrew, it is my pleasure to assist you today.
We apologize for this inconvenience. We have just deleted these models.
Don't hesitate to post any questions here, if you need something else we will help you with pleasure.
Have a great day!
Kind Regards,
3DExport Support Team```I hate those life modders. Reported a bunch of them for stealing the wheelchair from the SFP pack.
One just wrote to me and said: @Megadeth i dont see the problem here, I'm not reffering to any of the mods contained as mine.
tawny sentinel
That's why the RHS lads don't even bother trying to talk to them; they just file a DMCA immediately.
carmine folio
Yeah im about to do the same in the future
tawny sentinel
Absolutely. If you own the content, there is zero obligation for you to try to talk with these people. In fact, somebody who clearly doesn't respect my rights for intellectual property, I wouldn't extend any sort of social courtesy.
echo orchid
@carmine folio never do that, simply DMCA, otherwise is a waste of time on your part
carmine folio
I might sound like an idiot, but is it beter to fill in the DMCA form on the workshop, or is the first option good enough?
tawny sentinel
@carmine folio File the DMCA form in the workshop if it's on the workshop, if it's on a privately managed/owned website, I'm sure PuFu or Customs can share a generic template to use to send a email to them.
echo orchid
if it is on SW (most are these days and makes it simple enough for anyone), do it there. If it is hosted on other party, it gets a bit more complicated, but things like dropbox, gdrive, etc have their own IP theft reporting/tickets pages
if it is on a private ftp or alike, find the webhoster etc
C&D directly the host, that will have faster and more direct outcome
echo orchid
i have a template written by a lawyer, not sure what you mean by certified mail, but it is legal at rhsmods, which packs a punch on it's own
tawny sentinel
Oh, that you get a recipt that the sender has signed off and recieved it.
reciever*
echo orchid
that you can do with any mail account
tawny sentinel
Oh, you don't send them physically via mail?
From what my very little knowledge about procedures, they're usually sent by snail mail, no?
echo orchid
via snail-mail? not necesary
valve sends their C&D via e-mail for instance
the mail contains a scan document that has been printed and signed
tawny sentinel
Is it signed digitally as well?
echo orchid
in eu, afaik it is one or the other
tawny sentinel
Yeah I know we have electronic signing here in EU. Has electronic cease and desists as you describe it been upheld by court, to your knowledge?
I would assume so, since you consulted, you know, a actual legal expert :P
echo orchid
C&D is a warning before legal action is taken
and yes, it is proof the plaintiff has given fair warning
tawny sentinel
Do you feel like C&Ds are taken more or less seriously then DMCAs?
echo orchid
cannot compare ti. it depends how far you are willing to push it.
DMCA is something that stands true just for US based providers
EU legislation is a bit different
same thing, different names
in any case, C&D is a great to tool to put presure on the host
for things like life servers and their forums, website, ftp, it is faster to C&D the host than the user
no real server host will stand neutral and take no action and be liable to damages in court so that some low life can make a buck out of other people's work
tawny sentinel
Has RHS Studios ever encountered noncompliance?
echo orchid
no
i mean we have encountered non-compliant users, but not when it comes to server or website hosts
i only had to send so far just 3 snail mails
tawny sentinel
Good thing that
echo orchid
rest was dealt via e-mail
tawny sentinel
What's the case where you had to push it the most, legally, if you don't mind me asking?
echo orchid
chinna and russia can be a different, but for US, EU and some more democratic Asia, things work the same
@tawny sentinel having a friend that works as a IP lawyer in a law corporation (quoting her here) in London send a snail
tawny sentinel
Within UK?
tawny sentinel
(so far :P)
echo orchid
yeah
tawny sentinel
Was it... Effective? Heh
echo orchid
yeah
tawny sentinel
How'd you know where to send it?
echo orchid
whois
tawny sentinel
Ah, figures.
tawny sentinel
Right, my bad.
Yeah I wouldn't want the headache of sending a C&D to VK in russia or anything like that.
echo orchid
it is time consuming and if they don't comply you need to be preped to sue them. There is little chance to loose, worst case scenario the damages paid are minimal, but the loosing party will have to pay my lawyer fee. that on its own can get expensive
VK has reporting, just like FB does
tawny sentinel
VK was just a example of a russian company that I could come with the top off my very uncultured swedish brain. Would you need to travel there and file a lawsuit in the defendants country or can you do it on plaintiffs soil?
Guessing you'd need to file inside defendants country when it comes to countries like China and Russia
echo orchid
def country, for EU is easier somewhat i have been told
tawny sentinel
Yeah I do remember a few cases of someone filing a civil suit in the U.S against a U.K citizen, that might be the exception though, not the norm.
river spear
@tawny sentinel VK is absolutely horrible
The fact that you need(ed) to create an account to report something is just redicilous
tawny sentinel
whaaaa
tawny sentinel
It's okay, we all have something to be ashamed of.
Once I applied for a life mod.
We all have our skeletons.
grand oyster
🤢
river spear
🔫
tawny sentinel
HEY
grand oyster
😄
dull moon
i once tried to be polite...
carmine folio
May i ask what VK is?
grand oyster
The Russian equivalent of Facebook
carmine folio
👍
mint edge
a lawless fabled land in russia
carmine folio
I saw a video where pedestrians where trying to stop cars from driving on the sidewalk. Was kinda neat
Social justice
vast notch
"stop a douchebag" ^^
fickle ivy
until someone gets run over...
carmine folio
Anyone else experiencing problems with the crawler?
dull moon
Haven't used it the past days, what problems do you have?
river spear
The crawler will be shutdown for I'd say a week or so
We are doing some maintenance on our machines
Besides that, I'm getting back to the idea of indexing the whole workshop, including files in PBOs
tawny sentinel
@river spear The whole workshop? 😨
river spear
@tawny sentinel Yes
Every single mod there is with the PBOs extracted and indexed with a SHA1 hash 😄
cobalt creek
Wasn't it like that? 🤔
tawny sentinel
O_O
coral torrent
We have found a more efficient way to store and load the data so that we can speed things up
It also enables us to scan all contents on the arma workshop no matter what
tawny sentinel
Awesome, great work! @coral torrent
coral torrent
Thx goes to @river spear who need to rewrite the code XD
I'm just giving non useful comments if something fails
tawny sentinel
Hey, I am a sucker for cooperation :P
cobalt creek
"useful" 😂
tawny sentinel
@cobalt creek Says the pot to the kettle 😏
dull moon
are you again trying to fire shots? 😂
hope you got your dragon skin flak jacked on, watch out for ricochets 😉
tawny sentinel
@dull moon Yeah I guess you don't have to worry about ricochets since you haven't left your studio in 2 weeks 😂
dull moon
you mean my desk in general...
looks at all the bottles filled with urine around his chair
tawny sentinel
O_o
dull moon
makes you speechless, eh? 😄
fossil basalt
Sounds like he’s a German water sports actor ...
cobalt creek
"The game is pretty fluid right now"
grand oyster
ba dum tss
cobalt creek
thank you.
dull moon
😂
olive sparrow
workshop crawler is down - in case the guysare unaware
500.That's an error.
Apparently there was an error trying to process your request. Please contact an administrator and include this information:
Internal server error
HTTP-Referrer: https://arma3.workshopcrawler.com/default
Path: /default
tulip nexus
yeah, the guys said above that it'd be down for maybe a week for upgrades
olive sparrow
ok cheers!
cobalt creek
OPTiX - Today at 11:28 AM
The crawler will be shutdown for I'd say a week or so
We are doing some maintenance on our machines
Besides that, I'm getting back to the idea of indexing the whole workshop, including files in PBOs```If everything goes well we will be the NSA for the steam workshop. Not a single file may be uploaded in public without us knowing >.>
fervent needle
Oh snap
dull moon
start's sweating, thinking of the huge amount of anime hidden in CUP Terrains - Core just to blow up the file size
soft egret
Do animations count as anime?
coral torrent
XD
tawny sentinel
Is this what CUP animators spend their time doing? It would explain a lot @dull moon
🤔
languid fog
NSA of the workshop ey
Dibs being the CIA of the workshop then, uploading other peoples work, then blaming it on other people haha
In true CIA fashion
river spear
@languid fog you're damn right
tawny sentinel
A nuclear take on the KoTH server about hosting your own unlicensed KoTH server https://imgur.com/a/YFxcw (link is a excerpt from the koth discord about hosting his own server without permission from the authors)
grand oyster
It's a shame it's as closed as it is but it's understandable
river spear
@tawny sentinel this kind of human is something i cannot understand
what does he think? that a cease and desist letter will just go away by saying "no"? lol
like jesus christ man i want these people to make something and have it being shit on so bad
same people that also want everything for free
like i know im not popular for selling scripts, but when i see conversations between people "sharing" the scripts and saying it doesnt hurt me because they i invested nothing i question whether they actually know that time is worth money
hybrid rock
@river spear The thing I understand even less is why you would be unpopular for selling scripts?
river spear
@hybrid rock because the arma community has always put a big emphasis on sharing and selling things does not fit that model
hybrid rock
@river spear Just means that server owners get to commercialize and modders don't
river spear
@hybrid rock i personally think modders should be allowed to monetize their content even with the use of BI tools
hybrid rock
Since we're talking about ip rights, this is more of a legal question, but how is the altis life framework given a no-derivatives license if the intent is for people to take it and create derivatives?
carmine folio
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/
NoDerivatives — If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you may not distribute the modified material.
hybrid rock
wouldn't it count as distribution when people download the mission file upon joinng the server?
carmine folio
If you wanna get technically you could argue that
But would be up to the author to take you to court over it.
But author also hosted forums were people posted custom changes to modify the code etc
His intention is pretty clear he didn't want public forks, and with that license its makes his life abit easier to dcma over it.
tawny sentinel
Selling your work is perfectly fine when it comes to custom things you have developed by yourself. PuFu does the same when taking commissions, time is money. It is up to you if you want to donate the work you do to the community out of the goodness of your heart or not, but it certainly shouldn't be expected.
@OPTiX#6431
hushed fox
Hello, I'm looking to use this model here: http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-23151.html
However, no sign of the author, even though it does state License Free (Personal and Commercial). I obviously want to comply, anyone has a feedback on this website?
blazing wyvern
that model is clearly ripped from Alien vs Predator game from 2010
hushed fox
Thank you robert, that’s exactly why i am asking here. I am uncertain on how to proceed to obtain a legit model, so many rips even on websites that ask for payments.
faint nacelle
Id say with the model sites like that its hit and miss with missing most of the time
if its really nice and free/cheap its likely not legit
hushed fox
Makes sense. Hence my original doubt. 😃
vale steeple
@hushed fox i'd stay away from cadnav. Cgtrader is a good place to browse if you're trying to purchase models.
It's a little more regulated that is.
hushed fox
thank you.
tulip nexus
Good to see SFP and Cleggy's stuff got removed. Still lots of OFrP, JSDF and Vilas stuff there though. I think some of the models might be BISim's (Cougar, RG-31, HMEE)
tawny sentinel
How would someone go about ripping BISim's assets out of their licensee products? 😅
To my knowledge no trial or anything like that exists so it'd have to be somebody with a license that somehow ripped it out, right?
hushed fox
well arma3 can probably be found in cracked torrents, so....
twilit patrol
https://vk.com/swopposition is this one legal?
soft egret
If you can only get something on vk then the answer is no.
Many Russians only have their stuff on vk because that's the only place where they don't get insta banned
twilit patrol
ye ye the whole starwars stuff
wasnt there big flame war on bohemia forum about these?
soft egret
about some starwars thing yeah
fossil basalt
No, it is not legal. End of story.
twilit patrol
ok thanks for reply
fossil basalt
You’re welcome.
midnight sleet
Question in regards to DMCA -
Which countries hold DMCA as law?
Or is it exclusively the U.S?
Im making a range of vehicles, some of which being MP vehicles using some of the lesser seen vehicle models (Such as Caprice, Holden Commodore)
Before i release i wanna make sure which countries I can file DMCA under cos i hear life modders are quote the hassle
grand oyster
quite*
Most countries follow the general idea of DMCAs although the lesser developed may not care
little crown
DMCA is a US only law.
wet sleet
@Good-O#0856 DMCA is an us law, but many countries have similar laws
little crown
actually, most counties don't have such a law, but companies will still act on takedown requests because they may be liabel to copyright infringement themselves if they do not act
DCMA takedowns actually require companies to act as a separate piece of legislation, which is a subtle difference between copyright law in the US and most other countries
Copyright is otherwise a Civil matter, i.e. I can sue you for sharing my content without my permission, but the government itself won't prosecute on my behalf for failure to remove it
tawny sentinel
@Good-O#0856 DMCAs can be filed on most major platforms, including Google drive, steam workshop, Dropbox, etc. Usually going after the provider is the most effective way to get content taken down. Otherwise, if they're not registered in the US, sending a cease and desist to whichever provider will get it taken down, in western countries.
Holy shit this not being able to tag is absolutely infuriating
river spear
@midnight sleet
tawny sentinel
Thanks
royal charm
these guys go and copy my unit, training mission, and teamspeak layout, but here they go now uploading other peoples content - http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1241237014 - they have nothing to do with the PTF, even though similar name. Trolls we banned awhile back.
fossil basalt
I'd recommend you check the forums to ensure they've not tried to dupe you there as well. If they have, I'll deal with them.
tawny sentinel
@cobalt creek At a glance, yeah, GTA 4 props if I had to guess.
cobalt creek
I am not sure, too long ago.
(btw. next time paste the pic/link aswell)
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1217565688
tawny sentinel
I don't get previews or anything like that, and you didn't post the link 😅
Heya, sorry to bother you, do you know anyone in the A3L development team? @astral marlin
astral marlin
nope sorry
tawny sentinel
Alright, thanks.
astral marlin
i try staying away from people in other life servers due to the normal can we use all your content reqests
tawny sentinel
Yeah of course, no worries.
soft egret
http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1122870272
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1130468064
These seem highly suspicious. I don't have enough diskspace to download them and check what's inside.
river spear
The mods in this pack are already available through steam and have not been altered by us in any way. Copyright belongs to the respective owners/creators..
Fuck the license, I make up my own one
Like what the fuck are these people thinking, honestly
"Do not reupload"
"But I gave credits"
"But it says do not reupload"
"I have no idea what I did wrong"
carmine folio
Jumping the gun there abit Optix
river spear
Yes, it's the exception when people are this stubborn, but still, why does it happen SO often that people just reupload without asking
cobalt creek
They don't know better
carmine folio
They are using steam collections with CUPS / RHS
They have some re-upload addons, which contains links to https://3cbmod.wordpress.com/released-mods/license-and-disclaimer/
If i had to guess they are legit
Also i remember when you reuploaded other people content
cobalt creek
As it was mentioned before: A simple message (like: "Don't reupload stuff"), when you press the Upload button, would help a fuckton.
And if they still insinst to upload: They are 100% to blame with a direct DMCA.
river spear
I learned it the hard way and back then dependenies where just becoming a thing, I know it doesn't make it any better now but the real people that upset me are repeat offenders
If they put together a legit packet by only collecting stuff they are allowed to reupload or maybe even got permission for it then thats great, obviously I can't see that from the outside, but with so many people just blatently reuploading again and again and not learning from their mistakes, it pushes you to the position where you first assume the latter to be the case
river spear
I'm sorry if I sound like a jerk but sometimes I just get heated up by the topic when I think about it
carmine folio
There are tool which you made one (i think) to help catch that people like that.
It would prob be better if they listed all their content repackaged with permission (but thats not a requirement)
Personally it looks like they are doing it legit
Someone can always download the content to check etc
Anyway getting worked up over re-uploads without checking it doesn't help anyone.
cobalt creek
Yep, he is responsible for the tears and :salt:
carmine folio
Apprently Kickass gone legit, or he isn't as blatant about it anymore (last i looked)
river spear
I hope to be able to work on the crawler again soon and expand on its features a bit
Like putting together a collection of your own mods to scan for and add exceptions via workshop ids
cobalt creek
@carmine folio The last thing i heard was, that he uploaded his ripped content to his Googledrive or whatever he was using
carmine folio
Shrugs i only looked at steamworkshop stuff that was afew months ago. But i barely belived it, anyway back to work
cobalt creek
hf
mint edge
if i was dmcad as much as kickass was then id have gone legit too or given up
tawny sentinel
The fact that his account wasn't terminated was... Well, surprising.
pliant oar
@tawny sentinel for that you need to ask Valve
echo orchid
@carmine folio which one? this? (http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1122870272)
@OPTiX#6431 i am soooo missing on the crawler man 😃
tawny sentinel
Yeah he mentioned to me a few days ago he would probably start working on it the 31st dec. Hopefully it's going well.
tawny sentinel
@echo orchid Does the OH-6M, the name, only exist in RHS, not in MELB?
Unsure if I found a IP violation of RHS or MELB, either way, it's ripped.
Here's a picture if it makes it any easier
This is the file in question
tawny sentinel
The thing I find most hilarious the fact that where the author is one of the vehicles explicetly say, ported from Need For Speed
neon crater
🤣
tawny sentinel
@soft egret Here's a TFAR reupload http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1258966032&searchtext=
Another one
tawny sentinel
@pliant oar http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1257339648 Contains assets from Need For Speed Most Wanted according to authors, see attached link https://i.imgur.com/ECt8fTz.png
soft egret
@FlyingVolvo#6783 TFAR uploads are allowed... Though not that first one.
echo orchid
@FlyingVolvo#6783 i think it exists in both
that said both RHS and MELB have the same stance on re-uploads - don't
languid fog
Why do people re-upload shit thats already on steam haha
I might put that question on my grave stone
vale steeple
might wanna be careful there @languid fog they might just reup your grave stone for a life mod
languid fog
😂
dull moon
😂
That's a good one indeed
royal charm
looks like ACEX + ACE Compats + some RHS stuff + Firewills AWS all got repacked by these posers 🙄
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1241237014
fervent needle
Isnt that your logo 🤔
royal charm
We aren't the 1st Paramarine Battalion
Some recruits that were never able to pass our Recruit Training left us and made their own, and are now trying to go everywhere as "The Paramarines".. it's a bit infuriating 😃
It's not like we own copyright to the Paramarine name though, so we can't stop them, though I'll still make sure they can't continually violate creators/modders rights while associating Paramarines with it. @fervent needle
fervent needle
Ah understandable
tawny sentinel
The interview session wasn't even that hard, I scored a easy 100 procent by, you know, just reading the material xD
@royal charm
royal charm
@tawny sentinel Sorry was travelling yesterday - just got back home to my PC first time in a month. Our interview session is easy if you read the study material (you'd be surprised how many people get banned from ever applying because they try to do it without reading the material, as it's one shot, and no reapplications for life!) It's the actual training where we fully accept or deny people 😃
Though if you have questions about it, hit me up in DM or offtopic so Dwarden doesn't banish us to #offtopic_arma xD
lost vapor
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1264725547 Another life mod released, not sure if it has stolen things inside as I can't download it for some reason
soft egret
File Size: 0.056 MB If it has stolen stuff.. Then.. Not much of it.
I don't like that attitude of declaring something as stealing stuff just because it has Life in it's name.
bold stump
seems more like a joke than anything real 😛
carmine folio
Can't trust that file size to be upto date.
Had uploads listed with initial filesize as several hundred mb, when it was around 6gb
soft egret
But that file was also never updated
carmine folio
its actually an addon with a readme saying to stop play life mods.
pbo just contains a image aswell
fervent needle
lmao
vale steeple
LOL
languid fog
@soft egret Isnt the Steam file size counter fucked though? Its says IFA3 AIO pack is 600mb when its clearly not haha
soft egret
Dunno. According to Torndeco it was about correct though
carmine folio
What? no steamsize in general with arma publisher seems to be fucked last i looked months ago.
But that addon people were talking about was fine
dull moon
isn't it that the counter shows the packed size on the steam server?
tawny sentinel
I know the Unsung file pack was fucked for a while
carmine folio
I seen it were it doesn't update the filesize, just has the initial upload filesize
tawny sentinel
I doubt it was super duper compressed.
coral torrent
@dull moon I see what you did there XD
bold stump
80085 mb
cobalt creek
@dull moon idiot
dull moon
🖕
grand oyster
I believe the file size represents the size at initial upload
echo orchid
@grand oyster no the size on Steam Workshop represents the last update file size
grand oyster
Really? It's never really been accurate for me then
echo orchid
we had a 5mb hotfix for usaf at some point, it was showing 5mbs when it is closer to 3.5gb
well, it is closer, not accurate
it only shows the real size on first upload
then it goes to shit
river spear
For the people waiting for the crawler to come back online: I'm having exams in 2 weeks so I can't continue work on the crawler site until then, after that I'd give it maybe 1 or 2 weeks for it to be back online :-)
tawny sentinel
No worries, real life is more important of course :) @OPTiX#6431
fossil basalt
^ Study well
languid fog
Is real life really more important when there are people who walk this earth that re-upload content thats already on steam
river spear
@languid fog Probably not
chilly silo
Any of the FFAA guys in here? http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1200979258
There are a few others in there too
faint nacelle
Whats this real life you guys talk about? New life mod youve got onboard with?
tawny sentinel
@chilly silo Like whom?
tawny sentinel
Thanks, I'll take a look later
worn sleet
How do I avoid an Op violation, asking now so when I make a start on a project it doesn't immediately get flagged.
worn sleet
Well I plan on starting off with retextutes of vanilla assets, then eventually, with permission, using other authors assets in making a kit mod for the group I'm in, nothing massive, but don't want to balls it up.
Sorry it's 2:37am should be sleeping lol
I'm guessing it's a case of get written permissions and credit everyone.
dull moon
Retex of vanilla assets is no problem, and you are right about written permission of 3rd party content. If you have those you are good
worn sleet
That's it.....for some reason I thought there would be more to it
Still, good to know and thanks Chris. Appreciate it.
tawny sentinel
@Nam#7130 Thanks for the heads up. I posted it in the USAF thread. Fuller should take it down ASAP.
nova snow
@chilly silo Got it. Will report when available. Probably there would be more and more ffaa items, I'll leave ffaa team and as I'm the only one reporting it, ilegally uploaded items will stay forever there unless someone voluntarily report it 'cause of freely-upload-content-without-some-prior-check-SW upload procedure.
compact merlin
...or ripping the items from RHS that I think help add more completion to this mod...
at least he is honest enough, to tell about this XD
cobalt creek
Or dumb ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tawny sentinel
Did he actually say this? @echo orchid
Also, not how both kickass and LAGO are in the comment section praising it
Really makes me think
🤔
soft egret
Kickass want's even more weapons.. Even more than the 0 that are in that mod. Seems like he didn't even read the description nor tried the mod at all.
blazing wyvern
lol at those HL2 ripped assets, thats fine i guess 😛
faint nacelle
I think the original makers did remake their assets
ah they do have stuff straight from HL2 too xP nevermind then
echo orchid
@compact merlin - yeah not sure about honesty here, but we are one of the (not so few anymore) who take our IP rights really serious
@tawny sentinel yeah
tawny sentinel
That's both funny and sad.
mint edge
they also dont have permision from the original guy who ripped the hl2 assets..
the cycle continues
blazing wyvern
gmod dont give shit altitude
blazing wyvern
I like how the HL2 mod is still there 😛
faint nacelle
the original mod author teamed up with the guy
blazing wyvern
ye but that doesnt change the HL2 ripped stuff
faint nacelle
nope
fossil basalt
Are those exams done yet? 😏
river spear
Exams are next week Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday 😛
fossil basalt
Ok, so by Monday the hangover will have subsided...
river spear
@fossil basalt Then I will start work again lol
Indexing the workshop alone will take some time
and while its doing that I will need to make a website
modern flicker
Quick questions
if a server has (custom made) mods
can they give access to that modded content exclusively to donators?
because they say they can
as far as I know the monetization rules don't care about modded or vanilla content though
safe arrow
They dont care wether mods or not, thats right. But maybe just read the license: https://www.bohemia.net/monetization
Its simple as that: If those mods dont affect gameplay, it is allowed. (And if they are on the approved list of course: https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3)
tawny sentinel
^
fossil basalt
@modern flicker
- Charging players to access your server, if the fees and associated perks do not affect gameplay in any way, is allowed.
- Cosmetic perks are allowed. Limiting access to only paying players is allowed.
- Product placement, in-game advertising and sponsorship is allowed.
- Selling of in-game items, that don’t affect gameplay, is allowed.
- Accepting donations is allowed, but to avoid any doubts: not providing donations must not prevent anyone from accessing the content.
and of course one of the most important ones
You may, but ONLY if you have proper permission from all of the authors of such mods. Monetizing without it contravenes our licenses.```(basically what everyone esle said (and what was in the links) but better formatted 😉 )
modern flicker
Thanks for the replies 😃
That was basically what I already expected, but I wasn't really sure if I was just interpreting it wrong
mental edge
Not sure where to post this, but another shounka pack has risen from the ashes, 2018 version.
http://www.shounkadesign.com
faint nacelle
You can drop an email to the infringements address at the channel topic too. And if you know where the cars are from you can notify the IP owner.
tawny sentinel
I believe that most of those cars are ported from GTA 5, I am not certain though.
faint nacelle
I think people have identified them as forza cars before
tawny sentinel
Definitively possible
grand oyster
I have a suspicion he's reuploaded other peoples stuff, http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1279249190
soft egret
Description sounds very much like the Half life mod we've seen recently
faint nacelle
likely it is
faint nacelle
The HL2 mod did start as fully self made stuff
river spear
@pale sparrow no it can't because they are private
Wouldn't make much sense to offer a private function on steam if the api can look into the mod anyway :D
pale sparrow
Yeah that makes sence, but it doesn't make sence that Steam would allow you to upload stolen mods privately.
So how does steam combat this? Does steam have access to private pages for example if a stolen mod was reported that was in a private page?@river spear
Or is this allowed?
dull moon
If smb got an invite to a private group/page and can download mods from there and reports the mods for violation (DMCA, etc.), valve has to check that and therefor has options to look into private stuff
river spear
Exams are over for now \[T]/
I'd say 2 weeks and I'm sure I'll have something running
cobalt creek
\[T]/
tawny sentinel
Glad to hear it, hope everything went well.
fossil basalt
Hope you did well 👍🏻
hushed fox
I am trying to find some soldier models, which are relatively hard to find (understandably). I ended up in this website, which has a good model http://www.cadnav.com/3d-models/model-40313.html
Obviously a free model like that doesn't sound legit, do you know what I could do to track it down to a legit selling website?
dull moon
no chance to track down the original from this picture. there is also no info about the uploader at first sight, so no way to contact him. either keep your hands off, or play with fire 😉
sometimes the original autors hide their names in the texture or normals
but not in this one tho
hushed fox
i don't have maya so i can't even open the file
definitely not playing with fire...
It seems so hard to get legit soldier models
fossil basalt
Legitimate ones will typically cost more than the average modder is willing to pay.
hushed fox
There are some average models at $100 or so.
but still not quite there yet
i’m looking for models not only for arma mods.
faint nacelle
3 clicks on the model list below took me to a Gears of War character so Id question the sites content strongly. The soldier has distinquishable scarf on his neck so it might be easier to spot on some game if its used somewhere.
mint edge
just find moderated marketplaces that allow you to use the assets sold for any product
hushed fox
i never even questioned the fact that it’s clearly not legit. I immediately asked if i could track it down to a legit place 😃
faint nacelle
Yeah sorry last comment was just speaking generally
mint edge
both the ue and unity markets allow you to use stuff bought for other products / engines if im reading the faqs right
as an example
places like turbosquid are fairly light on their patrolling of stolen stuff trying to be resold so there not always a sure bet that its a good sale
tawny sentinel
Nice shitposting lads.
undone pier
@fossil basalt
fossil basalt
@torpid cypress Any need for the spam?
torpid cypress
i didnt
fossil basalt
i
Savage Gamer - Today at 4:53 PM
k
Hides the fact that he wrote 'm' aswell
coral torrent
@river spear did you just assume my gender as m for male? I am an apache attack helicopter god dammit
mint edge
random question is it written anywhere the exact reason why modifying textures is fine but modifying models is not, for example taking a uniform mesh and making it a female, it seems like it should be the same process legality wise as taking a texture and recoloring it
tulip nexus
models are significantly more valuable
and BI provide no tools to open them once binarised, so there is an inherent understanding that those valuable assets are not to be touched without breaching the "reverse engineering" aspect of the EULA
textures are effectively worthless without a 3D model, because they are specific to the UV layout of that model
so they are less likely to be exploited outside of the environment for which they were developed
mint edge
yea it makes perfect sense but from a modding standpoint it limits what you can do with vanilla content by a ton
since not everybody can make a full character model from scratch that would be acceptable and stand alongside the games models
and the way i see it the people who are hell bent on stealing the content for whatever purpose theyll have ways to debin them while normal people trying to just mod the game wont
keen trout
So why would those debinning bastards be permitted to do so?
carmine folio
There is nothing preventing you from asking permission
Also pretty sure you would be annoyed if someone stole your content & altered if for x reason
mint edge
yea but for all the arma games the models have been uneditavle but textures and whatnot can easily be edited
it's a headache
obviously you have to protect your ip however people who want to steal stuff can get at models kinda easy
dull moon
The only way to prevent violations/theft 100% is not to release... sadly...
But that's not an option
mint edge
well i mean vanilla content
arma 4 delayed due to content theft
.<
would be nice to have concidered for the next game
stoic beacon
Was there any info about Arma 4 yet?
neon crater
bad cups only too
mint edge
@dull moon it costs exactly 350.... pennies you only said 350 not in what currency or value 😃
dull moon
pffff... physical currency... how 2017
bitcoints dude, bitcoints 😉
neon crater
cup coins? Arma digital currency?
dull moon
uuuhhhh.... nice idea actually!
neon crater
:D
stoic beacon
^^
mint edge
I'm still crossing my fingers to no avail that arma 4 content will be fully aces sable to mod
neon crater
@mint edge We have zero reason that it won't be
mint edge
well freely opening and modifying the vanilla models
I don't see that happening
that would make so many people's lives so much easier
echo orchid
@Midnight#4592 what? bi current models were never available for edits
early on? back in the day you had to be accepted to get modding tools to begin with
neon crater
@echo orchid Then i obviously didn't remember correctly
sand obsidian
Did Paladin get permission to re-release an altered version Opticalsnare's Blastcore mod on the Steam Worshop? http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=767380317
Oh, I guess not... by admission...
I tried and could not contact Opticalsnare via Bohemia Interactive forum to ask for permission to modify it.
@sand obsidian Doesn't seem like it, but if the original aufhor can't DCMA or other then no use
languid fog
ArmaCoins, the new world currency
neon crater
1+1 ->
1 Billion AC
fervent needle
Randomly your armacoins can double or disappear, but they are because of features not bugs
neon crater
😂
fossil basalt
Midnight - Today at 1:47 AM
@Hill Doesn't seem like it, but if the original aufhor can't DCMA or other then no use(edited)```
Not entirely correct. You can still file a report with Steam (who do occasionally remove mods) because it DOES violate the Workshop ToS. Additionally, it can still be reported for visability (Here) as the semi-annual takedown by BI is still a thing. In the meantime, name and shame them.@neon crater actually the ratio of ArmaCoin is 1 per 3 of strongest e-currency coin at any given time 😉 cause the ratio is enforced by power of modding community :sneakyedit:'
undone pier
@Crazy Mike#9903 with A3 nearing EOL, i guess its worth starting an initiative to get BI release model sources like they did with previous arma titles
neon crater
One to three? Holy crap, gotta start mining it I guess
carmine folio
You forget only ArmaCoin generated via arma scripting engine are valid
tawny sentinel
All generic errors generated that doesn't hint at what might be wrong*