more handy
#ip_rights_violations
amber ibex
heavy moon
also making a mockery/trolling of an important topic isnt really smart nor funny imo.
so quit derailing conversations with trolling
amber ibex
"beaten" ... haha
amber ibex
which is tbh ... actually pretty realistic as in ArmA when you are shot you are dead anyway
stark silo
this is for ip rights and violations, not talking about how arma modding is a joke. Please take this to offtopic arma or something..
carmine folio
@undone pier i was not sarcastic. I really dont mind what others do with my work if i got recognized by nice people. Nicers stay on nicers land. No-nicers stay in no-nicers land.
If they stole my work and get rich, no problem, i'm king in nicers world.
Niceness is food.
hallow lark
But the thing about IP and licensing, if you don't want your stuff stolen, its not allowed. Nice or not.
And as is the case with ViruZ and Exile, leaving exile_ in your stolen code is not proper crediting .
carmine folio
Even if they get rich, they will still dont have 1% of my happines.
They are the no nicers people, they will allways be sad.
fervent needle
Yes
dull moon
TL;DR
the ost of running a server is far higher than the cost of modding
you are kidding, right?
some examples from my perspective:
Photoshop CS4 ~500,-€
Steinberg Cubase ~750€
Steinberg Wavelab ~500,-
Sound Libraries ~3.500-4.500,-€
Plugins for Cubase ~ 3.000€
in total = round about 8.750,-
and i know modders who have spend double....!
in comparison:
root server @ hetzner starting at 70,-
dull moon
everybody who is modeling and texturing uses 3ds MAX or similar for 3D, Photoshop and or quixel or whatever to texture... the list is long and expensive
sure, there is blender, but i only know a hand full of guys knowing how to work with it. most rely on 3ds MAX
and everybody using photoshop since i think CS6 has to pay monthly up to 24,-€
i'm not saying to maintain a server is cheap, but your statement is truly false
sure, smb who is only config modding can use notepad++ or any other editor that is for free
you have to seperate wht kinf of modding
cobalt creek
@dull moon +the most forgotten Factor: Time.
Not only the Time to create that particular Object/Textur/Sound/Script/Config -> Also the Time to LEARN how to use it properly.
faint nacelle
Theres also time to learn mapping, time to learn 3dmodeling, time to learn texturing and TIME to learn to use A3 tools to get the shizels in game.
If you want to play something on your own server you dont need but 1 server not 6+. More than 1 server makes it more like a business and not a hobby imo.
proud charm
Well to be honest we should not put the Time factor in to the discussion. No one wants to get paid right after all is a hobby it would be nice to get a little bonus after paying the expenses you get with this hobby.
faint nacelle
but some server hosters want to be paid for their hobby.
if its a hobby for them then why there has to be money involved
warm urchin
remember that many of the server hosters are poor students and they don't have money to run the servers 😂
dull moon
if you don't have money for a server then f'n don't get one...
you want a car, empty wallet -> no car!
you want a car, empty wallet -> go work, earn money, get a nice car
cobalt creek
Currently:
You want a car, empty wallet -> You get the car and beg for money from others to pay for it.
dull moon
the "poor students" is no argument...
when i went to school back in the days, i worked every day and weekend to finance my hobby. i worked my ass of to buy drums, guitars, amps 'n shit.
fucking dump unindependent pricks pissing me off. you wan't something, go fucking do something for it. WORK
sry, getting triggered
cobalt creek
btw: @dull moon Kan ei moneytaiz CUP nao?
dull moon
if i get a 200% split, yes 😉
cobalt creek
😄
fervent needle
Response, you buy an arma server
tender hawk
@carmine folio what if you want to play guitar but cant afford the expenses, so play in the street and put out hat for people to give money? You jest, but on my way to work I pass by a pro violinist who semi-regularly busks with the Game of Thrones main theme
warm urchin
guitar player on the streets is how servers are usually run. you're open for donations if people like it
fervent needle
I have had many people on my friends list who play on dayz servers and arma 3 ones, they then get fed up with the bad admins with infistar sets so they ask me how to make their own server and run it. Wanting to be good admins themselves, I turn them down "dont waste your money etc etc" a lot of current admins get into servers that same way. By jumping into it because they want to be the better admin and then they see the costs involved and they become server costs > modding costs type people
Because they are running a server with not much knowledge they rip peoples work because its faster then learning when they have players to please
Thats how I view the downward spiral starting
tender hawk
@warm urchin guitar player on the streets is how servers are usually run. you're open for donations if people like it And in turn I notice is the only route that the official rules say 'no approval required' about
cobalt creek
"I will make it better, than the other" -> FastForward 1-2 month later -> "Same Situation"
fervent needle
@cobalt creek ah so you have seen the arma (dayz mod?) server admin cycle as well it seems 😛
echo orchid
please use this thread:
https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/201991-server-monetization-program/
cobalt creek
@fervent needle I was mod in the liferpg forum 😄 I have seen worse stuff!
fervent needle
Ah rip you have seen it all
echo orchid
you dont' wanna know the number of times i had to notify BI about both unregistered monetized servers and servers using RHS content they had no permission for
cobalt creek
Or take (probably) the biggest example: CUP.
dull moon
over 170 DMCA takedowns and illegal mentization of CUP nov./dec. 2016
cobalt creek
Time wasted for "a hobby" ...
dull moon
i've literally spent more time in filing DMCAs and reports than modding and gaming
this is bullshit!
dull moon
on another note... what happens to all those fucktards when the good moddeas getting sick of this bullshit and stop modding? where do they steal from then?!?
crisp lagoon
In general i hate people that steal other peoples content all it does is makes modders leave the community. Seen it in other games as well
Actually saw it fairly often within the freelancer modding community.
Would suddenly see space ships from our mod in others mods.
cobalt creek
The B-league becomes A-League, until they are fed up, and we und up with Quality Items, who looks like taken out of OFP.
dull moon
holy fuck, freelancer 😍
crisp lagoon
8 year vet mate 😃
dull moon
bows
cobalt creek
also pls stay at the IP-Topic =}
dull moon
ok
crisp lagoon
😛 sorry:P
cobalt creek
#other_games_chat <- link a pic there (wanna see it also 😄 )
crisp lagoon
cant
don't think i have the perms for that
Dragging and dropping dosnt upload a image
tender hawk
@dull moon on another note... what happens to all those fucktards when the good moddeas getting sick of this bullshit and stop modding? where do they steal from then?!?
I had thought that that would happen once the engine changed enough that modders had to 'learn all over again'... coughEnfusioncough
river spear
@tender hawk new engine = noahs flood
undone pier
properly curated gateway with only quality submissions to be allowed
means official process handled by BI
this has been discussed to death though
as long as BI shows no interest/action, its pointless anyway
when did BI care about some petty forum "uproar"
what BI leadership cares about is making money
they saw server owners made really good money
and realized they cant prevent it
so better control it to some extent and make BI benefit
what would need to happen is to have modders use the "loopholes" and go for paid mods
when it gets big enough, BI will move their arse
cant be done. will never happen
look at the player numbers
still on the rise
BI is making good money on sales
no need for BI to do anything as long as the dump crowd (modders and all others doing the work for free) goes ahead regardless and belives the story of "we support modders as much as we can"
as long as there is no mod sync for the ingame server browser, mods are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things
even then its more about a good game mode, good server management (admins, support, community management, security, etc, etc) and promotion (streamers)
tender hawk
when did BI care about some petty forum "uproar" Especially when I can count at least four off of the top of my head (Steamworks, launch state, DLC strategy, Apex contents reveal) that Bohemia has powered through
To some degree the fact that A3's "alpha" and "beta" didn't match the seeming usual software development definitions thereof 😉
Re: "launch state" -- for some people declaring launch was semantic (i.e. the SP campaign came in time) and for others it was "launching with no SP campaign, only one jet, copy-pasted turrets", etc.
I only remember Seize/Defend/a Showcase or two, with Zeus following in February
But "launch state" is what I think of whenever I see the "should have been in the base game to begin with for free" complaint
cobalt creek
1 of 1000, nothing more to say.
tender hawk
@carmine folio lack of SP/MP content at launch was unforgivable. "Why hire designers when we can leverage our community of unpaid designers??"
More like "this is apparently what happens when an actual deadline is set"... though I admit that's premised on the idea that Bohemia couldn't have gotten the SP campaign out any faster without it being (more of) a rush job
cobalt creek
+wasn't launch "Alpha"-state?
tender hawk
@cobalt creek That's confused by Bohemia blatantly having a different definition of 'alpha'/'beta' than usual 😛 by 'launch' I mean when Bohemia more or less declared 'game version 1.xx' instead of the prior '0.xx' version numbers in the declared 'Arma 3 Alpha'/'Arma 3 Beta' periods
cobalt creek
lol - Okay 😄
tender hawk
I believe that the complaint re: 'alpha'/'beta' usually defines alpha as "adding in features/content" and beta as "bugfixing/testing", whereas 'Arma 3 Alpha' referred to early March-to-late June 2013 and 'Arma 3 Beta' to late June/beginning of July-to-mid-September 2013, the latter of which being when Bohemia declared launch/release (hence some speculation that Bohemia declared launch/release to get a few days' head start before being overwhelmed under the tidal wave of GTA V's release)
cobalt creek
hmm
echo orchid
@carmine folio do you agree that there is no real framework for server monetization either then?
i mean it's all some sort of gentlemen's agreement
and not everyone is a gentleman to begin with
what is the worst thing BI can do if you get reported for running a monetization scheme that is not approved or in accordance with their TOS?
shut down your BE...there are so many fuckin servers that are running without BE anyways, even after BI shut that down
cobalt creek
hm, White- and/or Blacklisting in the Serverbrowser (incl. direct connecting)?
echo orchid
fuck that, you can connect directly via ip anyways
cobalt creek
cough i wrote incl. direct connecting cough
echo orchid
aight, my bad
hallow lark
And BI can do more than just shut BE off. They can block access to servers if they chose.
cobalt creek
still sucks, that you have to think about some methods to prevent it for yourself -.-
(when i think about it... white/blacklist won't help either... too easy to change IPs of a Server)
echo orchid
@BigBen#1428 - they can, but do they do it?
pliant oar
what real framework is there to be ... there is no 'real' framework by google, apple, microsoft, amazon, valve either ... it's all manual for the reports and analysis part
in fact, we at least show who is approved name, ip, port (contrary to those above)
pliant oar
no matter if there are rules or no rules, there will be always someone breaking it and we forced to spend manhours on solving it one way or another
no matter if the rules are strict or soft , there will be always someone trying to bend them to his favor and test our patience
and those who don't get it ... i suggest to read or watch Catch 22 😉
fossil basalt
Personally, I think they should partner with Valve and anyone caught stealing content should receive a complete Steam Ban. Watch all their games go bye bye.
pliant oar
@fossil basalt DMCed and banned (repatedly) accounts already have permanent block by Valve ...
do you think that is gunna stop bad guy to repeat it (if he can just setup new account and go on ...)
cobalt creek
Will cost him money.
pliant oar
also the abuser in 9 of 10 cases aren't using it on his primary account ...
cobalt creek
That we have to talk/think about something like that is crappy enough...
The only way, to keep your stuff "save" atm is just: "Do not release it". =/
pliant oar
stealing of content is older than BI, Arma, STEAM and naively think there is simple or definite solution is ... naive
cobalt creek
Yeah, but something must be done.
pliant oar
each party tries do something ...
cobalt creek
Just out of interest and curiosity: What would speak against a Skyrim-like System?
pliant oar
Valve ... why you think they nuked it and not repeating ever
cobalt creek
Cause they are greedy? 😄
pliant oar
no because that system was deemed to fail ... it in fact was benefiting the abusers more than than the normal ugc devs
the % of profit spread was wrong too but that's different story
cobalt creek
Yeah, because nobody monitored/moderated, what was going on there.
pliant oar
you can't monitor such system ... with absurd amount of entries ...
you would need more people on the moderation and lawyer department than rest of whole company
cobalt creek
But you have to, otherwise it ends like.. yeah, like it has ended.
pliant oar
there're other ways ... 😉
pliant oar
i will get there, somehow someday
pliant oar
alike 😉
cobalt creek
😄
echo orchid
because i just talked about it, quickly looking over that list resulted in 2 reports
fervent needle
"You can use my content on your server in return for a couple dollars a month"
It should be a common thing that people give back if they are using your mods on a monetized server, but its not
If they want to keep using your mod, either DMCA and request removal or make contact, you can be added to our approved list if you pay some of the monitization forward
There are options for both sides to abuse the system cough
cobalt creek
And there are still some morons, who just don't give a damn about it and just use it anyway =(
BE turned off? -> Switch IP of Server (or Server itself) -> Restart. 😦
fervent needle
Wish arma had like a certain key broadcasted from arma3server.exe and only could be changed by a different steam account install, which required arma 3.. That would be a real hiccup in those abusers plans
Ban that key, IP change would be useless, still blocked
Pipe dreams 😦
cobalt creek
Download new ServerFiles or create new SteamAccount -> bypass 😦
fervent needle
Nono @cobalt creek require arma 3 to be on the steam account to get the server
Thats a $30 ban each time
cobalt creek
Would be a big buttf*** for those with multiple Servers running (like we had)
So: Yeah 😄
fervent needle
Yea it would have to be something thats thought out
cobalt creek
But, atm its just: "Thoughts" :/
fervent needle
Possibility to register multiple servers through that same key, via official registration. One banned all banned. Sure you could have your friend login to download a new server set but its all about the hassle that combs down the abuse
Haha I do like that @carmine folio allow anyone to exec any command.. Renders all useless
amber ibex
tbh ... there is a way to find out those
collecting HW ID, let servers send those IDs to some main hub
when guy logs on (admin) with ID XY, it is noted down
ban all servers where he logs on when logged in
done
though, that could catch the wrong ppl ... but would teach em to not give those admin
pliant oar
so they will start use virtual servers or switch GSPs like crazy ... again naive thinking ....
there aren't any simple solution to those problems, nobody found them and those are corporations with billions
dull moon
i'll take a .45 and @cobalt creek gets the .22 and then we go for house visits and remind the fucktards not to mess with the community 😄
cobalt creek
I don't need the .22 😄
dull moon
you get the water pistol for safety reasons 😂
cobalt creek
Good choice 😄
undone pier
the only feasible approach for paid mods IMO is:
- very restrictive - aka only limited amount get the status
- only non trivial/non small mods can apply
- BI reviews applications - selects based on their own criteria (quality, credability of source, type of content, trust in ownership, copyright adhered, etc)
- community can vote, rate and comment to push popular stuff for BI to review (abuse to be avoided)
- personally would only consider LITE approach viable (free base version for MP) - exclusive/paid only i would allow only for missions/campaigns, yet could be done also for other content
- gameplay mods, scripts, and other types not viable for LITE system should get share of sale income based on popular vote from commnity (top x every 3 months) (again abuse to be avoided)
- paid status means certrain responsibility to provide support, updates and keep it working (min 3 months - without will taken offline, in very bad cases customers get paid back)
- BI in return for sale income employs ppl for the process and to support the modding community actively (ie to make A3 updates not break mods, but also docu, Q&A, support, etc)
probably some stuff i forgot
to me the main benefit would be as BI gets directly income from mod sales, they would have to finally take responsibility and actively support modding
not treat it as a neat by-product and good markting tool without real effort
cobalt creek
Downside to that atm:
-
Too easy to simply "Copy&Paste" the Addons (no security)
-
Who will sell it? (Steam? Don't think so.)
-
What about scripting? :/
pliant oar
i can assure you there is other aproach too ... 😉 
undone pier
Well BI has to provide EBO. Of course needs to make it more secure and update the signature every month or so
As Valve seems no longer motivated to do paid mods besides their own, I guess BI would need their own platform and system
fervent needle
Fbo like project argo 😛
undone pier
I cant see how you can handle scripts well. As such as I mentioned i would handle that via popularity vote getting some moneys from BI.
fervent needle
Yea but how many mods are pure script or selling of a few scripts
And big compilations of scripts could be ebo as well, but then again it would be i fear not received well by players because they have been getting it for free already why should they pay
heavy moon
it is still content, so would need handled the same way. but way harder to police
fervent needle
The only way would be to have a player > server > modders but thats harder
dull moon
as soon money is involved in modding this whole thing will totally go ballistic
cobalt creek
And people go mental about it.
fossil basalt
I wonder if Bohemia licensed servers would work?
fossil basalt
No, as in BI having complete control over who runs a server.
burnt lichen
That would solve allot.
Instead of us renting from other hosting services, we rent directly from bis, or something
fossil basalt
I think though that in the end, whatever BI chooses to do, it cant ultimately be a burden on the company.
undone pier
forget the idea about BI hosting ALL servers
others tried and failed
you guys should listen more to what Dwarden says
BI and other companies are not stupid and incompetent
fossil basalt
Oh, I do listen to him, I just like to think out loud.
undone pier
there is no perfect world, no perfect solutions, not even simple pseudo solutions
the only thing reasonable to expect from BI is to treat people more fairly
fossil basalt
By fairly, do you mean allowing modders to ask for a fee? (I'm not opposed to the idea)
hallow frigate
@carmine folio where do you Quote that from xD about YouTube you can always make videos about other people modded contents but strictly seen you are not allowed to distribute them without everyone's permission. Laws & rulings have changed a lot about that in 2016 - atleast in EU
faint nacelle
http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=564980673 What first looked like a cool pack of weapons is in fact all taken from other games. :C
cobalt creek
other uploads:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/307752601/myworkshopfiles/?p=1
fervent needle
what game(s) are the weapons from?
ah i could have read the second line
lol
from his KA suitcase mod: Nuclear scripts from USAF MOD
outer slate
BI needs to make a stand on the ripping of 3rd part content from other games for use in Arma which is blant in communities like Life mods
fervent needle
next week new official gamemode, BI Life
but serious though, they do their best on stealing content moderation
not sure how they could better the playing field unless they educate players to report stolen stuff or something
cobalt creek
Sadly, most people just don't care about it.
They want "fancy stuff", for free and it doesn't matter who made it.
fossil basalt
You should see some of the DMs I receive. I can only imagine what Dwarden gets.
fervent needle
thinks of what to pm FM
cobalt creek
You mean mine? okay okay, i stop sending you "stuff" 😄
pliant oar
BI life would be most boring game to play, you wake up, you go to work, you work on some game, people just whine everywhere you look on internet about the same game and then someone mentions monetization, you get depressed, end of shift ... go home, repeat 😉
thankfully there are already other game manager strategy games to play ...
dull moon
😂
amber ibex
@carmine folio waste of farm (time)
a modder has no time to even produce tears
he is too busy fixing the "simple" issues ppl find and say "zo ez tu repruduze! just helo annd git yu PDA up! when yu git shuut bai frking AI thin yu git bug"
tulip nexus
I got one like that once "Can you update your mod pls?". Literally nothing in BIS' patches had affected the addon since it was released (likewise it's a very simple mod). But apparently I need to update it, for reasons
dull moon
WS community is filled with clueless dipshits. it is only a distribution platform for us and the only input we care about is from BIF / discord
carmine folio
And if they was not making money of it? Just k-ding.
stark mulch
Can someone tell BI that CUPs are allowing monization of core + maps please
outer slate
@fervent needle @cobalt creek on the facebook group All Things Arma lll he even admits openly that some of stuff "Flamethrower and WA2000" are from Killzone
The Flame thrower is the VC1 Helghast
cobalt creek
imo, they should be removed then.
outer slate
👍
carmine folio
Just one year of extend says BI is unsure about what to do.
Now everyone knows BI is unsure. Like they sayd "turbulent Arma life".
heavy moon
I think when server operators callously start charging for in-game items, be it cosmetic or not it became a different ball game.
saying that people should spend less time being creative because someone steals and uses their work without their permission really isnt being constructive at all. anyway if you want your thoughts on the topic aired the best place is in the very thread you linked above.
of course there are going to be people commenting in there who come off as bitter. for some of the mods with a longer history they have been dealing with people monetising within and outwith the EULA for years.
and thats exactly where it should be, it's a very important topic. maybe some of the abusers will sit up and take note that addon makers are increasingly annoyed at the rife abuse of their creations.
saying something should be kept hush hush and under the carpet for fear of bad press rather than dealing with the problem at hand is exactly why this issue has snowballed in the first place.
it's a discussion thread, people get heated when they are passionaite about things and obviously it's coming across the way it was intended otherwise they would never have sent it
you should have to try and PR/sell the idea that its completely wrong that people are profiting from other people work. it's pure and simple theft.
it's very relative to the current topic though
monetised by BI or not
the fact that it's monetised in the first place.
old root
giving the mod makers an avenue to monetise their creations, independent of servers, is important IMO
as well as offering control over who can or cannot use their creations
but BI doesn't provide any of that
heavy moon
of course its not because they own the IP
but im sure if the option was there for them to add their creation as a dlc style addon like has been suggested in that thread, then they would likely do so
I don't think it's a good look to not have a system in place where-by your community can be rewarded on a level playing field.
all or nothing at all.
there are a lot of reasons that it could thrive too
what else would it be if it was monetised? server monetisation is effectively the same thing, you can look through the monetised server list and pick which server you want to go play on, much like a noticeboard at a market.
possibly,. there are also others who do not want their work being used in any such way, so you have those to content with too
of course its easier to monetise a server, you have a paywall outside the remit of BI job done.
yep a whole slew of stuff to discuss in the thread
you also have mission makers,. if someone created a 10 mission scenario packaged it up as an addon, there would be nothing stopping them from putting it up for monetisation either
terrain authors also, since the sheer volume of time that goes into a quality terrain is by far the biggest time investment in any individual arma addon
faint nacelle
seeing that the poll is high up against all monetizing Im quite not following this conversation?
heavy moon
with a terrain you can set an entire scenario in flow, you can create an entire array of adodns geared towards a terrain, so saying its too small a market I disagree with
or geared towards it,. either way it gives people options
faint nacelle
And this is wrong channel for this discussion anyway.
heavy moon
I was dropping the hint very early in this conversation that its best discusse din the thread that quicksilver linked when he started chatting about it in here
I think we need more channles 🙄
I never agreed to that
echo orchid
we haven't
heavy moon
I said there is nothing wrong with them monetising their own IP
heavy moon
i.e. they dont need permission to monetise their server runnign their addon.
imo overall its still either all or nothing,. whichever way the ship ends up steering we definately need a better way in-place of policing/monitoring content and servers regardless of this issue
echo orchid
yeah but don't take that out of context
i would have no issue whatsoever if BI would lock monetized servers to no-addons (again addons = every piece of custom made content, from missions to scripts to mods)
i am talking to a wall
heavy moon
lol
cobalt creek
Pufu, its useless to argue with him
echo orchid
i do not fucking expect money for my creation
i expect no one else to make money out of my content
just that
yes, if the content is theirs to begin with
which in 90% of the cases isn't
heavy moon
and not ripped/stolen content either
echo orchid
ripped stolen = not theirs
heavy moon
yep, just reiterating it
cobalt creek
And?
echo orchid
lol
faint nacelle
oh come on this is the same conversation over and over again
echo orchid
many have permission? really?
from whom? from that bloke that ports in forza models?
cobalt creek
PuFu, let him be. Either he is trolling again or is mentally challenged
faint nacelle
@carmine folio we get it you want to keep monetizing your own current rule legit server
echo orchid
that is not his content to begin with
let's get closer to the subject
what content are you using on your own server @carmine folio
if you don't mind me asking?
edited ^
so you are paying money for content
so what you are writting above makes no sense...
regarding the mods having a commercial gain
or not being able to have a commercial gain
when others do
but it sort of does
because A3 tools license
yes i can sell stuff made with my own commercial tools
be it a texture, or a script, or a 3d model, animation whatever
i cannot sell an addon
nor you are able to buy one
to be even more precise, blender toolbox is also marked as non-commercial
because someone said yeah but i can use blender and a3 toolbox and export at the end a p3d without touching A3 tools
which is false
again, you are talking about ideal server monetization - and you take yourself as an example
do understand that you are the exception, not the way most servers are run
yes but the current rules allow that sort of stuff to happen
in fact it encurages theft, backstabbing etc
ripped content (fuck you facepunch) etc
so, isn't it up to BI to sort that shit out?
again, the thread was started because they that they will see what are the effects
on the community
i fail to see how they think the effects were positive
cobalt creek
Easier.
heavy moon
re: the forum thread - good or bad for PR, on the forums they see it and it is there for everyone to read/see/add too if they feel inclined to
its a major issue in armaverse and needs fixed.
cobalt creek
atm, it feels more or less like a "We can't fight them, so lets allow it"
echo orchid
i understand thet do as little as possible
and using the same approach, a few modifications to these rules
would make things a lot easier for everyone
also the called framework is not really a framework
half of the communities on that approved list lack
- rules - from the list, not forwarding me to some forums where i need to register / be approved etc to read these fucking rules
- the server list - also, it would be nice to be able to directly read the damn server mod list from the same page, not dick about using 3rd websites to figure that out
- a comprehensive list of every monetized server and a way to filter these out ingame
about 1, the rules should be in english (and whatever other language they use)
if the rules are in turkish that in itself is shit to read
even if made public....besides the rules should be the same for every damn server, besides the whatever price they wanna use
cobalt creek
👍
carmine folio
Pretty sure arma official launcher has filter for monitize server.
It's also possible to create a tool to get list of addons with steam IDs for arma approved monitize servers
echo orchid
you make me check...i am pretty sure the launcher doesn't but i'll have a look now
heavy moon
it has a hide monetised in the filters
carmine folio
Ahh yeah that is it
cobalt creek
Even when Deco, whats with the other Server, that are not allowed? Almost nobody can realy tell (or is interested in), if that Server is allowed to monetize or not, without Searching for hours.
And even when, how many (except Mod-Makers/Victims) will report them?
The current situation is... hmpf... not very optimal :/
carmine folio
If people are going to break the rules / rip content. They will do the same even if you change rules imo
faint nacelle
well the nomonetized filter still leaves bunch of all kinds of shady servers on the list
that is true
cobalt creek
Sadly, yeah Deco.
cobalt creek
is way to high
echo orchid
is the same as the ones that are from my own experience
i am sort of seek and tired to hunt them down
it is about 1 report per week
cobalt creek
I mean... what do they have to fear?
echo orchid
a cease and desist from my part
and eventually being taken to court which is expensive to begin with
try taking some russian community, or some chinese community to court though
cobalt creek
Would be nice, but that won't happen.
echo orchid
middle finger anyone
cobalt creek
Yep
echo orchid
i have already sent about 10 C&D that were taken serious
cobalt creek
" You wanna host a Server, register here with your IP, otherwise you don't show up in the BrowserList "
echo orchid
send that to their service providers, best way to have an effect
easiest way would be for BI to block their servers, which i am being told they can already do
cobalt creek
(means: Disable the IP Connect)
cobalt creek
More Manual?
echo orchid
yeah well, how do you think the IP reports and other shit is being handled?
someone from their legal dep checks it, confirms it, sends the mails, threats whatever
cobalt creek
Automaticly, put it in a DB or whatever.
If someone reports ServerXYZ -> He gets blocked blablub.
etc
echo orchid
no, DMCA is handled the same way
cobalt creek
Or that
echo orchid
it needs to be check by a human, not a script
cobalt creek
Its just a wild idea
echo orchid
you cannot block stuff automatically based on a report
real oyster
cobalt creek
What do you mean?
echo orchid
as in they first block it then they check it
but youtube also has tons of scripts running in the background
so does facebook (put a nude up, will dissapear even if you have no friends and you are sharing that photo only for your own self)
but you cannot compare BI to either btw
unfortunately we are talking just so we talk, the same rules have been pushed for another year
dull moon
like i said in my BIF post: BI opend up pandoras box and will never be able to close it.
we can talk all day/night long, argue back and forth, but in the end it is up to BI to deal with this bullshit.
everything we say here or at BIF has absolutely no effect other than making an already hostile enviroment even more hostile
fervent needle
Im late to the party but modders should have the option to hold their addons hostage. I think the only way the addon makers will see a return is from servers
A situation where you are allowed to monitize X addon if you donate some upstream
It should be like that by default but its not because people are greedy, but no upstream, no access to use mod on server
undone pier
in regards to abuse a first step would be to transparency
- make it possible and easy to find your/a mod being reuploaded (API exists already)
- have the server submit mods to BI and expose that list (mods means modfolder name, pbo names, hashes at least)
(could be expanded to files inside the pbo and their hashes)
carmine folio
Don't need 2. You can already query a server for the client mods it is running
undone pier
well yes. however it should be BI's responsibility to make a good visalization and filtering
also the current system is based on mod hash
so if someone modifies it, its no longer found (aka private modified RHS version)
like this is what you are saying, but you cant expect RHS to check 1000 servers that way
to ask the community to write a tool is not the right approach. BI has to take responsibility
carmine folio
Well people can rename files etc, repath file locations to rvmats etc using community tools
To prevent people repackaging you need a way to prevent the p3ds getting repackaged
undone pier
there is no perfect protection of course
however BI needs to keep simple abuse in check
carmine folio
You could ask BI for an updated json file
Which lists monitzed approved server with IPs & Addons used & SteamIDs.
Which is updated daily via Server Query Protocol (community could easily make such a tool atm).
If BI got fancy you could look at encoding some Author ID into p3d files themselves.
But prevent repackaging files is not a easily solution without letting community create EBOs
Anyway back to downloading RC Build
undone pier
way too complex
to have a secure signature for files is just not realistic to ever happen
heavy moon
BI might want to investigate, remove content and ban this user from using their steam workshop page. they continuously port IP from other AAA titles and publish it on the workshop http://steamcommunity.com/id/307752601/myworkshopfiles/
I also took the liberty to inform SIX about the users infringing content after they tweeted about the latest addition to this users collection, which they immediately removed while they investigate further.
cobalt creek
Oh just stfu with that argument...
As simple as that. And pls, don't start with those lame and pathetic excuses like "But i have to administrate the Server/"Community" ". cmon, rly? That's a burden that YOU have chosen for yourself! You wanted a Hobby that cost money and time. If you lack any of those two, you simply just can't do it.```I can tell you after being an admin on the top #1 server we did not get a lot of donations, but we had server costs under 300 € (webserver, testserver, gameserver) What they say is pure bullshit.
You get a shit ton of supporter automaticly if you have a popular server. Not to much to manage there.
Just build an nice tool to give them the ability to support if they fuck up replace them with the next in line.
sadly this is in german : http://resource-packs.de/reich-durch-minecraft/
The biggest german minecraft network makes over a million in revenue.
I was part of the #4 minecraft network we also make a shit ton of money there..
So switch to minecraft if you want the real money. 😄
with a server cost of under a 1000€
Okay we pay our developers full-time etc. but we just started that a couple of months back.
proud charm
yea even that. 😃
carmine folio
recently there was a huge tournament, every game had over $1million bet with around 20 games in total, and in 2015, the csgo betting industry was estimated to be generating around $1-2billion a year
carmine folio
yes, it's forbidden however Steam don't really care - so many sites are up and steam couldn't care as it would damage the economy shutting down all sites completely
once they announced csgo betting should be closed, prices for items hugely went down ie $1000 items -> $700-600 etc, so yeah it's in their best interest to not, but anyways they aren't shutting them down surprisingly haha
cobalt creek
Its not "my" opinion.. but... meh, i am done with trying to argue with you.
And stop highlighting me again, thx.
faint nacelle
strong nacelle
I made a mission while I was a part of a community. I am no longer part of that community and they have taken to publicly releasing the mission without my consent and I have not yet released if for download. They are claiming that it is their property and will continue to publish the download. Is there anything that I can do? Is there a way for me to get them to cease distribution of the mission?
fossil basalt
Google DMCA takedown. But be prepared to provide actual proof.
carmine folio
The other thing is, they are also hosting the mission on their server as being their own mission, the official mission version
hallow frigate
Well, the permission to use something doesn't give you permission to re-distribute it 😉 I hope that you used some sort of version control system or some mails from back when you gave them your mission.
strong nacelle
I used git hub before I gave it to them. and I have many of the old version that I made still on my computer.
hallow frigate
If it's on GitHub then you have no problem. Will be hard to put proofs against that for them.
old root
did he sign a contract that said it belonged to them? if not, then they're out of luck
strong nacelle
nope never signed any contracts
and I started work on the mission of my own volition, I was not asked or coerced into making the mission
echo orchid
example of shit i have to deal with on a daily basis (g translate of course)
nova drift
Glad to see both our content being monetized 🤢
pliant oar
🤣 the only problem @nova drift i see with the money flow to proper pocket 😉
vast notch
like selling your girlfriends underwear without her knowing 😄
nova drift
The same thing has been happening for years.
cobalt creek
selling underwear of your Girlfriend without telling her or ignoring IP? @nova drift 😄
nova drift
Both 😱
cobalt creek
😄
carmine folio
What avoid me to do the formula of richness in Arma 3 is that you will need to deal dailly with the most idiots of humans.
Its like the king of spam that got so intoxicated with his work that commited suicide.
I'm buying that food for my familly with the money given by a idiot, that thinks to be a mercenary? Naaaah...
fervent needle
Agreed
tribal hazel
is there a monetization channel?
dull moon
technically that is not monetization. this is offering a service to a customer. "hey, you are too lazy to learn about server and coding? no problem mate, i'll do it for you and you pay me big money...!"
it's the same like changeing tires on your car. you could do it on your own, or you go to a garage and pay them for doing it for you
fervent needle
They were selling other peoples scripts as well, got a huge storm from that but now they link to all scripts
dull moon
that i didn't know. selling others scripts is BS. out of the question. but selling the service itself is no violation
fervent needle
yea they switched to that now so its legit
fervent needle
No they sell services to setup scripts for you
cobalt creek
You should know it, you are in their Discord @river spear 😉
river spear
@cobalt creek it's because someone sent me an invite, don't know what they are doing
dull moon
rookie misstake.......
http://i.imgur.com/qpbVEu0.png
this art / pictures are content from battlelog / battlefield 😉
fervent needle
They probably have homemade stuff that they sell installs for but at first it was a buy scripts service now its buy installs of scripts
vast notch
Most GSP's do the same thing
fervent needle
Yep
modern flicker
Already posted this in #general_chat_arma
there's this server, a spanish altis life server, to be precise, that apparently is planning to restrict access to M320, Lynx and other weapons to donators
they already provide a 50% discount on all items, 30K$ instant cash and a house with built-in garage and store to donators
echo orchid
infringements at bohemia dot com
modern flicker
the problem is, apparently this all happens through teamspeak and paypal and isn't listed on a website
so it would be kind of difficult to track, unless BIS were to infiltrate a spanish-speaking agent into the server to plant some C-4, I mean, donate and confirm the situation
dusk dew
Are you positive they are doing what you said, if there is no proof? Must be something you can supply for a report
cobalt creek
Connect on their Server -> Go to your MPMissionCache -> Save Mission -> I give you a 100% Guarantee, there is something like "donator" in the files (grepWin)
modern flicker
where is the mission cache? install dir or my documents?
cobalt creek
C:\Users\Your_Username\AppData\Local\Arma 3\MPMissionsCache
cobalt creek
Last one: Copy the file to somewhere else, so it won't get overwritten with newer Versions
modern flicker
already being uploaded as an email attachment
and they can just connect to the server and get their own version if they want to confirm it
okay, email sent
now let's see what happens
One question I still have though, are they even allowed to accept any donations at all if they aren't registered at https://www.bistudio.com/monetization/approved/arma3, or do donations not count as monetization?
cobalt creek
fervent needle
Donations = nothing in return, no gifts, nothing at all. Monetization is sale of cosmetic items only
Donate and receive a tank = nono, donate and receive a cosmetic skin to apply to said tank = acceptable as long as anyone can buy it with no discounts
modern flicker
this server is amazing
you can get into apex vehicles by pressing the windows key
because fuck BIS, they don't need money, right?
wanton pelican
fossil basalt
Along with involving the Legal Dept
tender hawk
@modern flicker this server is amazing you can get into apex vehicles by pressing the windows key because fuck BIS, they don't need money, right?
I could have sworn that that was... wait, what about the Windows key???
hallow lark
Got an email from BI legal a few days ago stating vehicles from TKOH data pack were not allowed in Arma. I had contacted them regarding uploading ported A2 and TKOH assets to steam workshop. Now the sitrep from BI detailing the release of the data pack, and the data pack itself state the TKOH assets are TOPL and APL. Confused on the response I got from legal. Any insights from the BI team?
autumn glacier
I think he Port itself content over, and when you look at this site, the Data Packs have both Licenses APL-SA and TKOH-SA, which should confused, since APL-SA allows porting only to Arma and TKOH-SA says porting only to TKOH
So people can and would maybe think, like other content which is already released by Bohemia, using the APL-SA License, that he can also use TKOH Content on Arma, since it has also a APL-SA license applied.
Also on this Site i quote this:
Please note that TKOH data are licensed for creating derivatives for both the Take On Helicopters and Arma games.
heavy moon
@hallow lark you'd be better off emailing them back with the pages/url's you refer to with appropriate text snippets from those detailing that you would like clarification. As anyone looking at the descriptions would think that it's ok to port the content to a3 given the associated licencing on those pages
this channel is to discuss ip/rights infringements before futher contacting BI via the email address in the topic, I dunno how much attetion gets directly paid to this channel by BI themselves
hallow lark
Got a response back this morning. Appears to have just been a mixup.
I would like to apologize for late reply.
You are right, you are allowed to use licensed data packs from Take On Helicopters for your Arma Mod.
To answer your first question, there should be no problem with uploading your mod to steam workshop.
Best regards```cool, glad you got it sorted out 👍
now we just need more people to follow your example of when if not sure, contact the content author before proceeding 😃
fervent needle
@heavy moon better luck finding a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow then that... 😛
dull moon
i once did. well, i was stoned af back then... actually, nvm
undone pier
wow no abuses happening for days? weeks? soon months? 😮
echo orchid
it does i think but under the table most likely
fossil basalt
Sure it has. I've just been reporting them to Steam and to the IP holder. Some people will argue "till the cows come home".
I'm seeing more repacking than anything else.
heavy moon
and sometimes you get tired of reporting the same idiots over and over. steam should banhammer those scrotes
west terrace
😀
dull moon
and sometimes you get tired of reporting the same idiots over and over
3-4 times... then the won't reulpoad repacks because of the previous takedowns all of the players on their server got tired of this shit with disappearing mods and leave the server. no players, no need for uploads 😉
cobalt creek
You underestimate the dumbshits of this world.
fossil basalt
The dumpfkopf's underestimate the amount of time I am willing to get their stuff taken down.
river spear
@fossil basalt *dummköpfe
fossil basalt
👌😉
cobalt creek
"Dumpf" would also fit to some 😄
river spear
@cobalt creek mehh
quiet sandal
So ive already solved this issue... But last night my server got flagged for breaking the monetizing rules even doe we dident get 1 cent in donations or anything like that and the server was still in the test stage... They gave me an apoligi, but how can something like this happend? Do bohemia just make a server text them when they get an report without any proof? Dont they check you before flagging you?http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/156903125554618429/2426A0BDE56FA18240C5DC382519E40B6E21E54E/
And no, i dident get any warning or anything
echo orchid
people whos addons are monetized don't get warnings either
carmine folio
Hi
carmine folio
yes
cobalt vector
So, it in parts depend on price, and your country
Can you tell me more about those points pls
carmine folio
I'm portuguese
cobalt vector
Well, so it is a european question, what did you use to pay him ? Paypal ?
carmine folio
Paypal
cobalt vector
Okay, when ? Less than a month ago ?
nimble fern
carmine folio
no mate
nimble fern
Did you purchased this on sellfy.com ?
carmine folio
yes
carmine folio
sellfy
nimble fern
the 90 vehicle pack thing ?
cobalt vector
Ok, any possibility to block the money transfer from paypal ?
cobalt vector
Meanwhile, first of all, you can try to figure out what game is the original game and send a mail to the original creators of the content, with a link to the place he sell his shit, in a second time, you can and must report it to paypal, the last thing is that you can start an international suit but it takes money and time, specialy for 70 euros, it will cost you lot more
So technicaly you can sue him, but in reality, you are pretty fucked, the only way is paypal way
carmine folio
yes
cobalt vector
(You can also hope that original creators will fuck him up)
cobalt vector
@nimble fern
cobalt vector
Do not send real names on public discord
cobalt vector
Np I say it for you
carmine folio
that's the info that I have from paypal
cobalt vector
@nimble fern AFAYK which games are the models from ?
cobalt vector
So verify your model is the same, and send the mail to the creators @carmine folio and continue paypal process
cobalt vector
Looks like it's all I can do for you
carmine folio
then I will send all that content that I have to the "Owners"
I have laywer friends
I will be fine LOL
cobalt vector
Yup but I don't think they will be able to do anything more for you since it is an international case
Anyway, I hope everything is gonna be ok for you
carmine folio
I think I will recover my money
then let's see what happens
guys can you tell me what is the contact of Shift, Forza, etc??
fossil basalt
I hope you've learned a valuable lesson.
The monetisation rules are quite clear and having to pay for content in that way violates those rules.
nimble fern
Thing is, it was displayed that the models where Shounka's
fossil basalt
Thing is, you can't sell models like that
nimble fern
It depends on the license of the model you buy
cobalt vector
You can if it in blender/3ds/maya or other format, not in p3d
fossil basalt
Right. But if someone is selling you "Arma" or "Arma ready" models, that are P3ds then, no, that's not allowed. Also, Shounka is quite well known for stolen content.
cobalt vector
Well I was wrong and u too @fossil basalt
"You may develop your own game content, tools, plug-ins and other utilities or services for both noncommercial and commercial use as long as it is your original creation, without using the content, tool or any other intellectual property of Bohemia Interactive."
nimble fern
Oh yeah, forgot he sold them as .p3d
cobalt vector
(Does not apply to this case because it was stollen, but so you can sell p3d if you created it yourself)
Ok no I'm retarded
No .p3d, that's it
nimble fern
I'd like to shove my arm up his butt and make him talk like a puppet, this guy is a real cancer
carmine folio
he now works for a spanish community
plataoplomo.wtf
all their cars are "made" by shounka
cobalt vector
=> report to BI
fossil basalt
@cobalt vector had any luck creating a model for Arma 3 and getting it in game without using a tool by Bohemia Interactive?
nimble fern
Even using it in game for commercial or non commercial purposes is forbidden
So technically, by reading this in a dumb way, we should not make mods
carmine folio
my server isn't monetized
nimble fern
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
carmine folio
and I can tell you guys that BI don't care about people pay for have good stuff in unofficial servers
river spear
@fossil basalt Is that also the case with plain SQF code?
fossil basalt
I don't think so
cobalt vector
In fact no, you did not use any bi tool
nimble fern
But we shall not import homemade models to the game as the sentance reads :
"You may develop your own game content, tools, plug-ins and other utilities or services for both noncommercial and commercial use as long as it is your original creation, without using the content, tool or any other intellectual property of Bohemia Interactive." ```So yeah, mods are not permitted
river spear
@fossil basalt Think so aswell, plus you only have copyright on programming languages in specific cases in the EU
nimble fern
Regarding the law, I mean
carmine folio
guys one answer
I'm allowed to use Jonzie and Charlieco Mods in my server without any problem?
fossil basalt
Link to them and we can have a look
fossil basalt
I'm on my phone. I'll have a look tomorrow then.
tender hawk
@carmine folio Keep in mind that that means a particular thing as far as Bohemia's concerned...
fossil basalt
Sadly, one of the easiest ways to tell if a mod contains stolen content is the number and quality of the vehicles. If it has lots of civilian cars of a fairly high standard, odds are it's been from somewhere else. Though there are a few exceptions to that.
tender hawk
@fossil basalt There's something darkly amusing in what that may imply for original content creation in A3...
fervent needle
they all list this link as credits to their vehicles yet the break the first line of limitations http://www.xbox.com/en-us/developers/rules
west terrace
^^^^ this ^^^^ it is an interesting thing that they link to the very licence that discredits them. Jonzi vehicle packs from memory does the same.
quiet sandal
The thing is that i never monetized anything @echo orchid ... They just said sorry to me and removed the message... Never got told why it happend?
fossil basalt
@Bl4cKSh4d6W#2060
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=561566896
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198103724170/myworkshopfiles/?appid=107410&p=1
Were these the mod packs you were referring to?
You can see in the author comments of Charlieco that they are from Forza.
In Jonzie's comment section, you can see where it has been mentioned that the work has been flagged as stolen (and that he will not release the source files to prove he didnt).
Which brings me back to what I was initially saying. One of these so called "authors" has hundreds of vehicles. That would make them one of the most accomplished individual modders in the Armaverse, yet they are a realtive unknown. Additionally, the vehicles look good because they were produced by Microsoft Studios, not the "content ripper".
Currently RHS and CUP top the list of large/quality mod collections. But each is a huge team, who have spent many thousands of hours creating content.
To your question of allowed to use Jonzie and Charlico Mods in my server without any problem? Well, you now know they use stolen content, so if you choose to use them, you can no longer say "I didn't know".
hallow frigate
@carmine folio @fossil basalt Another point, If you donate to that spanish community "http://plataoplomo.wtf" you also get a 40% discount to ingame shops. Atleast so it says on their website.
fossil basalt
What exactly are they doing?
tender hawk
Yeah, IP rights violations is for stuff like people stealing content of mods and passing it off as their own or repackaging/reuploading it (even if giving credit to the original authors)
amber fractal
Good evening everyone. I remeber last year there was some rumorus going on that server owners are not longer allowed to use Taviana for A3 as multiplayer server map. Is there some official statement about it anywhere? I find alot of complains if i search the web, but no real " THIS IS BI... U ARE NOT ALLOWED ". Anyone?
soft egret
https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/101621-taviana-island-for-arma-2/?page=40#comment-2494012 I think that says everything
fossil basalt
Tavania is a huge mess. By that I mean that there has been so much "he said, she said" that no one really knows which story is correct. It is the posterchild for "what not to do" in Arma. What I will say is that the last known License posted by Martin on the Bohemia Forums (not some other web site who could alter it to suit their needs) states :
Permissions & Liscence
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Taviana Island by Martin Bauer is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0
Unported License.*
-> Link to liscence: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/deed.en_GB
*This licence applies to the current version of the island (1.0), any future releases and any previous
releases (BETA 1, BETA 2, BETA 3, RC1 - RC6).
§1) You are free: To copy, distribute, display, and perform the work
Under the following conditions:
§2) Attribution: You must give the original author credit.
§3) Non-Commercial: You may not use this work for commercial purposes, or to generate any kind of
financial income, i.e. using this addon on a server that requires the user to pay
for access/maintenance. Exchanging this addon for any sort of financial income i.e.
placing this addon on a site which requires the user to pay for downloading this
addon and so on...
§4) No Derivative Works:
You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work - it must always be distributed
in its original form.```Disclaimer
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Taviana Island is a free, unofficial add-on to the Armed Assault 2 series. It has been provided to you
free of charge and must always be re-distributed free of charge. The modification or usage of any
material contained within this add-on is not allowed for personal or commercial usage without written
permission from the author. This add-on has been downloaded by you at your own risk, therefore I,
Riptrough Studios, Bohemia Interactive or any other party cannot be held responsible for any damage
done to your computer by this add-on.
"Riptrough Studios" and the Riptrough Studios logo are the property of Martin Bauer and Rytis Tekorius.
100% compatibility with another add-ons cannot be guaranteed.```I have edited it for length, the original can be found here: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/134514-my-work-is-being-illegally-sold-on-world-zombieru/
fervent needle
So if that is his license then why were people being attacked for porting to arma 3 when that looks to allow it
carmine folio
Its Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs license. Means you can't alter the files
hybrid tide
Guess u misses the part of no derivitives
fossil basalt
"§4) No Derivative Works:
You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work - it must always be distributed
in its original form."
fervent needle
But if somehow you didnt altar the original files? The old taviana I had downloaded from a3 launcher or somewhere just copy pasted origins stuff and removed dayzmod files
Guess they altered it somehow
So if you could pull it and drop it into a mod folder with no changes, and it worked on A3- technically that wouldn't break any rules since nothing is changed? But then I guess the people who made the origins mod might threaten someone
Dunno its a losing battle either way, so much controversy around that map/mod now it sucks... I would love to see it played in A3
heavy moon
if they wanted it ported to a3, they would have done it themselves
atm all I see is it is an A2 mod, released specifically for A2.
I do agree with the general populous that taviana is a bit of an iconic map, maybe more-so to those from the survival genre background,. but regardless of your thoughts/feeling son the issue, it is their IP, it is up to them what they do with it.
fervent needle
Yea, thats the truth to it all really. They are making money off of renting the servers, no reason to switch to A3
heavy moon
if you read through their forum thread, vilas states quite clearly that it was packaged within origins to stop people monetising the map,. the fact that they have any sort of exclusivity deal with a server provider for the server-side portion of the mod is entirely up to them.
many other popular mods have done the same/similar exclusivity with server hosters with no backlash, so why treat origins any different
they are literally protecting their own ip
fervent needle
Which is plenty fair and falls into all the rule sets, im simply saying they don't need to switch to A3. I am not sure what agreement vilas has with them anymore, I have seen him defend like on this thread but also rant about how he did this and got screwed. But that was on GamersPlatoon forums not their current state. So it could be resolved by now. Either way, it is their IP (Martin on the map and Vilas did the vehicles (I think?)) I remember asking about his vehicles and he denies all but origins specifically for that reason. They have full right to do what they are doing, it would be nice to see it in A3 one day though. I would play some origins if they themselves ported it to A3 lol
heavy moon
yeah I dont know of the behind the scenes politics with GP or any of that,. I'm pretty sure it was difficult for all involved,. but the licence @fossil basalt linked still stands.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people would play origins if it was brought to A3, but that is entirely up to the origins developers. People shouldn't be forcing anyone to do anything by releasing/uploading/sharing derivatives of their work when they expressly prohibit it.
amber fractal
But. if we would use Taviana 0.4.1 from http://a3taviana.bid/ and with the fact that we are not charging money or even plan to monetize our server, would it be a violation of Martin Bauers EULA? So basicly i see them fro http://a3taviana.bid/ violating the TOS but not us by using it, or am i missing something?
Because if i get the TOS right, Martin Bauer has to take down that website by law to protect his rights. I know it might sound harsh but, its there, we didnt violate it, so why not use it?
pliant oar
what's this Taviana stuff, feels like Dejavu from OA times ... my suggestion get better map and forget
fossil basalt
This could potentially apply. But, Dwarden is correct RE: get a better map.
The situation could always be corrected if Martin would log back in and update the license. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_of_stolen_goods
amber fractal
I think i dont have to like that, but it might be easyer to just find a dirfrent map. Thanks for the diffrent view´s.
hybrid tide
u could make your own?
atomic light
@pliant oar Hello! Can you help me with copyrights in the STEAM Workshop?
There is a person, who uploaded our mod without any permission or even links: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=879504022&searchtext=mercury
I ArmSTALKER modification developer. My site armstalker.com and page on the mod in Steam http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=889103214
vagrant stag
looks like https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/202955-submarines-mod-incoming/
stole the submarine model from 3dcad website
cobalt creek
Uploaded by Wyrmshadow at 24 September 2004 into Watercraft - Military Submarines 3D Models.
oh my
hybrid tide
funny
misty mantle
@atomic light You guys complain about stolen Stuff ? I watched in youre files a while ago and it is full of Exile Code 😉 I also found some Massi Weapons in these Files an many other Stuff like that 😃
atomic light
@misty mantle What? Exile code? Proof please. Massi gave me permission to use his vehicle in our mod
On all third-party modifications in our modification I got the consent from the authors to the bistudio and armaholic.
They all gave me their source code, which we changed for ourselves.
fossil basalt
His thread has been shut down.
fluid sandal
Hi guys,
Sorry to be a pain, but one of my staff made some skins and also uses a watermark.
These skins were found on another server without permission.
I also found that they are using my Server Rules and other documents which are signed "Property of Carnival Gaming"
Its almost a direct copy and paste of my mission file to be honest, but thats public anyways.
However, my issue is with my property and my staff's property.
What can I do?
carmine folio
@fluid sandal is the server a big server and is it in fact profiting
dusk dew
If you didn't intend for people to use it, why make it public?
amber ibex
... Usual civil way
First kindly note him of your ip
Then give him a deadline for removal
Then ask the lawyer of your choice
If you want you also can skip 1 & 2
river spear
If only getting a lawyer for this stuff was easier
I mean if you have bullet proof proof that its yours and that they stole it, it would be a free win for your lawyer
and it wouldnt matter how much he costs, but that depends on country and circumstances
cyan pewter
@dusk dew All mission files are public, thats how the game is written by BIS, even if you use paid for encryption it doesnt matter.
There is a long running motto from the mid 90s "If man made it, man can unmake it"
So please don't troll a supporter of your community mod when you dam well know the mission files are public no matter what
@fluid sandal
Sorry bud I didnt realize the douchebaggery of mod developers extends in the Arma 3 Official discord.
Otherwise thank you @amber ibex @river spear and @carmine folio for helping him out
dusk dew
@cyan pewter Chill out and get off your high horse man. My impression of him saying public was GitHub etc, which if he intended for nobody to use it, would be confusing to say the least.
cyan pewter
Its not a high horse as this poor treatment has proliferated through this community hard core as of late and is disgusting to see.
1 line replies that can be taken in 100 different ways and most likely are that way to only mean 1 way but to hide that intention with fancy wording or hidden objectives.
How did your comment help him in his support request?
It did not, it was a question to a question and he did take his time to explain that he is experiencing IP Rights Violations.
Regardless if something is in public view, IP rights are retained through whatever measures they decide to take. Licensing, watermarks, ToS when downloading, whatever the case, its still their property.
So my high horse is actually just a mini-Unicorn and im flying around magicly waiting for Pegasus
Thanks for your reply @dusk dew it helps a lot
dusk dew
Indeed, there is, I've gotten into many arguments with people on this Discord because of it as of late, but that is beside the point. If you read what he said carefully, he said that his skins were taken, but referred to his mission as being public, but obviously in the case of a PBO, the skins would also be, which suggests to me public in a different sense. No tomfoolery here.
I didn't realise there was a strict rule about not replying to questions with valid questions, this Discord is for discussion after all.
If his mission is strictly for use on his own server, and wishes for people not to use it, then making it public wouldn't make too much sense, because clearly it could cause an issue such as this.
If you wish to mention poor treatment, then don't act like an ass before doing it. I have had no bad intentions, yet you refer to it as 'douchebaggery', you're being pretty rude.
cyan pewter
Public or private
Github, weblink or MPMissionsCache
He still retains his IP Rights, which brings me back to the original question to you.
How did your question to a question help out his support request?
It did not, it was senseless reply thrown out there to see who grabbed it.
Well I did and I called you out for it.
Rude? not even close
We could get into how I was treated as a developer in your discord by your staff and you in regards to updating my release for 5.0 when it came out. Trolled me about the 5.0 number and all this other garbage.... You dont even have a clean house of your own and you bring it into here.
dusk dew
Of course his IP rights stand wherever, it was a question of interest because clearly it could (or has) caused issues. I still would like to know the answer, it's not a senseless reply.
If at any point you feel I've mistreated you, then please show me where in a PM, because I'm certain I haven't, I've only helped you. You're not apart of the Discord I own either, however, you're apart of one I do not own or run. Again, you're being pretty rude, I didn't ask the question in a trolling way.
Anyho, off topic -> PM
fervent needle
BoGuus comment wasn't the best, but putting stuff out there in the public doesn't mean you should steal it. He created it and its his IP. It would be the same if someone uploaded their mod to the workshop and someone ripped it and reuploaded it as their work, this is just in a mission pbo. This isn't a place to bring in external differences either and use them as a reason to attack one another, you don't have a clean slate either sanchez so no need to swing at others as well.
cyan pewter
@fervent needle
This conversation was about the IP Rights Violations support request by SniperBAW and then BoGuu's irrelevant question posed afterwards.
I never talked about myself and the only reason I replied as such is because I am the one that sent this kind gentleman here to get a second opinion after I explained to him how to proceed.
As seen 3 people were able to respond to him with helpful answers based on SniperBAW's original question.
Since you want to involve me in your statement...
If you want to be a part of the misinformation train about me, be my guest its your right to speak freely but it doesnt mean you are honest and truthful in your words.
I have helped hundreds if not over a thousand server hosts/owners not to mention the tens of thousands of players in my time hosting arma 3 servers. All of these people either walked away with a working server/script/addon or were led in the right direction to get them on the right track to fixing/resolving their issues.
Have a great rest of your weekend gentlemen.
fervent needle
Right, I know what it was about. But if you need to bring in personal or outside discord beef into things, it doesn't belong here. I already agreed with you that it wasn't a good statement on his behalf and why I thought it was. Im no part of a train, I am going off of what I experienced first hand, not who says this and that.
fossil basalt
☮️
cyan pewter
Then you are referring to my Team ExileLoneDevs private skype when I asked Eichi for a patch.
I had found 3 fixes for Exile and the Arma 1.58 update, then in the thread helped many many owners get through their issues. 10 days later I asked Eichi for a patch in my private Skype channel, in which resulted in him telling me to "Go Fuck Myslef" in front of all members within, yet they patched a week later...
Or maybe you are referring to Flosstradamus removing a post which included 3 weeks of updates and a link was left in that wasnt suppose to. Instead of alerting me and/or removing it, I woke up to a deleted thread with no explanation.
I have only reacted to what has been thrown my way or in the way of my friends.
You have your opinions but you do not have first hand experience, you have a news story with only bits and pieces of the truth.
So still it remains you can speak freely but it does not mean you are honest or truthful.
Again for the rest of the people here, have a great weekend.
carmine folio
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
river spear
@carmine folio shi* is on fire yo
scenic yoke
Hi All,
I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I've just been falsely accused of stealing assets from another mod maker in what seems like a ploy to get access to my property. I've screen capped all conversations I've had with this guy, and the message in which he falsely acused me, I would post it here, but I don't want to spam, and I don't think I can anyway.
I'm a fairly small mod maker, and this particular piece of content is the first piece of content I've made from scratch. He hasn't done anything with my content yet, but I really would like to avoid having my reputation ruined on top of this accusation.
I'd like to resolve this as fast as possible. Thanks in Advance.
amber ibex
uhm ... who are you again?
cobalt creek
You got any proof, that it's yours? He got any proof that it's hims?
amber ibex
in any regard, as long as he did not started legal actions against you, you are pretty fine ...
^1
scenic yoke
@cobalt creek Well I have the model I created. I have a bunch of progress picks of me making it bit by bit, I have the textures. I have the unbinarised .p3d files if that is enough?
The situation isn't that it is a mod maker accusing me of stealing work, but more like someone who wants to steal my work, saying I don't own the original model so therefore I can't tell him that he can't use it.
oblique current
You can unbinarise them p3ds if needed
cobalt creek
Then -> Why bother?
If you own it -> Let him do the first step
If you got proof -> Pff, who cares about him
amber ibex
in any case ... your "reputation" wont be damaged as long as he cannot provide evidence
fervent needle
So you made the model or not? Sounds like he is just pulling loose threats
fossil basalt
To clarify, you made 100% of the model (by yourself) from scratch?
scenic yoke
Okay thanks, I was just a little shocked, he spoke to me in private before hand, and when I wouldn't give him permission to use it.
@fervent needle That's exactly what he is doing.
@amber ibex Well maybe "reputation" was too strong of a word, I just don't want anyone to think I'm a thief because this guy is yelling about it.
@fossil basalt That is correct 100% made by me.
fervent needle
So basically he wants to use it on his server or use it in a modpack but you dont allow it so he now says you stole it from him?
scenic yoke
@fervent needle He says I stole it from someone else.
amber ibex
you also can file legal actions against him for public disgrace
though ... that is expensive and you usually just can contact the forum moderators with evidence he is a liar (which also should be posted on the front page in case you are worried)
fossil basalt
If you 100% made the model from scratch and it is not a port of an existing model and it was not purchased from a 3D model site, then the burden lies on him to prove that it was stolen.
fervent needle
Unless he has proof, you arent in the wrong and have to do norhing
Basically what they both said ^
scenic yoke
Okay, thanks everyone for the quick responses, I guess I just got a little overexcited.
fossil basalt
But, to play devils advocate, the flip side could be very bad for you if he was correct. (Not accusing, just stating for the record)
scenic yoke
Yeah, understood.
Small update, I've just spoken to him, it would appear he's 15 years old, and is a bit hot headed.
fossil basalt
Lol
fervent needle
@fossil basalt or others, whats the deal with purchasing models from a site? Providing its a reputable site and not stolen, how would it stand up to arma/steam rules for workshop etc?
Or is that a case by case thing
fossil basalt
It is indeed tricky because some sites charge for models, yet their licenses are not Royalty Free or "You own full rights".
fervent needle
Either way people dont view it in a positive light, as most external things are stolen lol
fossil basalt
There have been cases where Turbosquid and other large sites have unknowingly sold stolen models.
In those Edge cases, its lose lose for both the purchaser and Uploader.
oblique current
Models costs a kidney and you don't even own full rights
So what are the sites that provides models that can be used in the game ?
fossil basalt
One of the well known community modellers had an estimate of ~30€ per hour of modelling work. And I'd imagine no less than 100 hours per model. So....
fervent needle
Cgtrader and turbosquid have royalty free license and sell many UE4 ready assets or scenes but also have some stolen stuff as well
fossil basalt
I know of no sites reputable enough to recommend that guarantee their models to be 100% custom creations by their respective modellers and that also give exclusive rights to the purchaser.
fervent needle
Which is why its best to look into your purchases if you wanted to make a purchase
hallow frigate
envato market is quite good, as well for soundtracks etc. but it costs more if it is to be used for a monetized product.
hybrid tide
Learn to make ur own! Got to admit it's more fun than actually playing the game 😀
But that's just me haha
pliant oar
the problem with model selling sites, while they usually started with good intention (often also not any ripped assets) ... the owners ceased to care or never did about who use the site
so because it means money it always attracts the bad element, rippers, thieves, resellers (who just reupload already stolen stuff N times) ...
in the end you have chaos where the true unique work is lost inbeween those
this happens to any over-saturated markets (apps, mods, models, music ...)
it gets worse if the users don't care, while authors do (to degree (resources or nerves)) and owners of those sites play blind (own actions or features)
so, you always need to be very careful with anything bought from such sites cause even if you get full rights, in the end you may end with more burden than gain
river spear
Any new IP infringements?
When dust settles down in this channel, something nasty is about to happen
dull moon
it'S alwasy pretty quiet before a storm hits
echo orchid
this is silent because i don't really have the time to dig deep these days 😉
fossil basalt
I'll have most of the week free to dig 😉
pliant oar
in case you observing ... doing cleanup of Arma 3 workshop ... so bans and incompatible flags are raining
fossil basalt
👏
pliant oar
still going ... 
🍹
pliant oar
which mod @atomic light ? anyway use PM
pliant oar
... 3 hours and still going 
compact merlin
#Make_Workshop_great_again
fervent needle
Dwardens mighty strike hammer
pliant oar
some reactions are quite agressive tbf
tulip nexus
that's not surprising to hear
fervent needle
How dare someone take down my stolen content
pliant oar
well i sometimes stumble upon bogus claims which are hard to verify so rarely i may ban/flag someone innocent ... but that's cleared quite fast as long as they cooperate
pliant oar
and done, for now ... @compact merlin A3's workshop is somewhat easier to search again 
i think ...
pliant oar
well feel free to slap me if i hit someone innocent, yet i think that
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=779256520
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=879504022
were the only false positives (CAF must wait till i get the PM from original author on BIForum so i can verify the claims)
fossil basalt
Or "How dare someone take down my stolen content that they stole from someone else! Surely that must make it freeware/abandon ware now."
little crown
Don't know if it's true or not, actually don't care much, but that mod author says he had permissions.
"I'm starting to lose my passions for Arma 3 when developers just don't give a crap"
yeah ... they are only trying to stop people stealing from each other, that's a clear sign they don't give a crap
fossil basalt
If they have permissions from all parties (in writing and verifiable) then it should be easy to re-instate.
echo orchid
permission != sharing IP rights
allowing one to use my content doesn't mean i also share my IP with him
it's not an == between permission and sharing IP
echo orchid
it isn't implied...one question is: will you allow me to use your assets....? the other one is: will you assets also belong to me, as if i have done them myself?
most people when asking permission go for option 1
fossil basalt
I think only an idiot would assume that it would belong to them.
pliant oar
so i was doing that for like 3 hours and now doing complains 😉
little crown
3 hours of work, 3 years of complaints
pliant oar
well, exception do exists and some have approvals but ironically there are others claimining same work ... ipmessception
little crown
It would be a lot more usable if Steam workshop allowed automatic resolution (downloads) of dependent mods, then collection/pack mods wouldn't need to include everything and could still offer a 'one click' install.
the experience now, where you have to subscribe individually to every last dependency is tedious
echo orchid
@fossil basalt no one reads steam agreements
fossil basalt
All the more reason to punish them. Ignorance is no excuse.
echo orchid
and steam is not another mirror
fossil basalt
I'm on your side with this.
echo orchid
well, i see a lot of uploads where i see the following disclaimer "i do not own these addons, just uploaded here for convenience sake"
fossil basalt
And those should be instantly shut down and the uploader punished (just my personal opinion)
pliant oar
lovely, complaining on forums about injustice but somehow forgot to write answer in the banned item or contact me about it ...
i could fix it 5h ago if i was aware
hums the song about evil minime
midnight vine
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=907910711 Another one for you @pliant oar
pliant oar
fascinating, not visible in the admin panel list of stuff to moderate
midnight vine
If we find anymore is here the best place to post them for you or should we just flag them?
blazing wyvern
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=882833001
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=731297055
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=747105008
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=864133472
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=700823922
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=787991345
😄
fossil basalt
Get 'em 😉
bronze oasis
Thank you so much for doing this! We in the FoW team have had a lot of trouble with people uploading our stuff alot on Workshop! ❤ ❤
fossil basalt
If you've found people doing that, inform Dwarden. Now seems to be the best time while the fire's hot 🔥!
little crown
@blazing wyvern that last link, the description says he has permissions and to contact him if there are any licence problems?
fossil basalt
Loads of people "say" they have permission, yet in reality, few do. Those that do, generally have written confirmation in the form of emails, forum posts by the original author, etc.
midnight vine
Jesus... there are so many, just skimming though the recent items.... I could go on.
fossil basalt
Keep em coming
queen wing
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198047696785/myworkshopfiles/ probably everything this guy has on his workshop
river spear
Why do people not use the dmca to take these mods down?
Is it because you aren't in a position to dmca it?
midnight vine
It was more because Dwarden was on a run of removing them earlier - much quicker than us filing individual DCMA's
river spear
Indeed
midnight vine
Plus I'm on my phone and filling that form out is bad enough on a pc.
bronze oasis
Yea, the form can take a few days before they do anything. Contacting the uploaders personally sometimes helps, other times they just toss shit at you.
little crown
@blazing wyvern I didn't mean to suggest that he did have permission, merely that he asked people to contact him to correct any problems. There's always the possibility that he did ask permission from someone else who had claimed the content was theirs. Or maybe that's just too generous of me 😃
echo orchid
all the DMCAs (i have over 100s so far) have been solved in 2-7 days
pliant oar
well DMCA is handled by Valve so keep those raining too
echo orchid
i know
fossil basalt
Probably too generous of you @little crown 😉
river spear
Yeah, a dmca highscore leaderboard would be nice
Each successfull dmca gives you +10 credits
fossil basalt
I'd be second behind Dwarden
fossil basalt
Other than a pissed off Lifer?
river spear
Is that reward enough though?
fossil basalt
Its bad enough I had to lock down my DMs
river spear
How about a snickers
That's something realistic
Shipping is too expensive though 🤔
fossil basalt
I get hangry without my Snickers
river spear
Nice one
The leaderboard idea is good though
I'll figure something out
Dwarden would probably not be first since he wouldn't care about getting his points
fossil basalt
As he can instantly mark them incompatible, he would be first....first.
cobalt creek
🤦
pliant oar
@echo orchid would be clearly the winner of the DMCA score table 🤣
gaunt geode
soft egret
If you need more work. Feel free to collect all the unofficial copies of TFAR on WS. I'm getting messaged almost regularly by people that are confused to what is the official version. I gave up on the war. Steam is just ignoring when People flag their uploads. And I don't have the time to file correct DMCA's. Plus I need to provide my real adress and stuff for a DMCA. Which I'd like to keep off the Internet as much as possible. And all my Personal data might be shown to the guy I'm filing a complaint about which makes it even worse
pliant oar
that's because DMCA is legal process
it's like complaining about patent and innovation registrator to collect identity of the registrant or dispute party
also be sure everyone personal data are thanks to NSA, CIA and other secret service leaks available to anyone, thankfully we don't know it, yet
so it's more about what type of data beyond some basic info you allow to be floating around
as long as you pay taxes, are e.g. registered as employee or in some business, got insurance etc. all that lays in some 'internet accessable' database
soft egret
Yeah I know. It's just too much effort. And also the main website states that unoffical WS uploads that can be confused with the official upload are forbidden. It's a violation against Steam Terms of Service that should be enough for Steam to take them down. But these normal reports are mostly ignored as far as I can see.
I don't pay taxes. Am not employed and don't have any insurance ^^ But I know what you mean 😄
pliant oar
and how the the hell STEAM (Valve) staff shall know which workshop item is 'the true original' ? reading minds and rolling dice ?
i myself can clearly tell you most of the 'public' reports isn't enough to decide
soft egret
Mod contributors and Authors are also linked on the Website which I include in every of my reports.
pliant oar
either there isn't enough, or they too vague or they total nonsense and wrong
it starts with most of people don't care to do report, those who care usually don't do the right type of report and if they do it lacks the informative value
that's why for most o time most of the abusing content goes unnoticed
and quite lot of the IP owners don't care to fill DMCA too cause they think (we) will magically sort it all 😃
echo orchid
the winner of the day for being the stupidest knife in the drawer goes to:
https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/203812-re-uploading-mods-on-the-workshop/?do=findComment&comment=3178664
midnight vine
Amazing 👌
fervent needle
@echo orchid haha thx for that
midnight vine
He's just written an amazing reply to you PuFu, soemthing about you being the retard 😁
fervent needle
Humor me here but all pbos have to be different, like rhs_ cup_ tagged and such
BI should run checks on top like 50 mods on steam already
Just block upload from the source lol
echo orchid
the kindergarden level of that reply....
@fervent needle yeah somehow sickboy managed to be able to querry the entire steam workshop a3 library for tags
that lead to a full day of DMCAs for over 86 entries
fervent needle
Wtf
echo orchid
not sure how, it isn't public
echo orchid
yeah, dwarden wasn't jocking when he said i would win the DMCA competition all by myself
fervent needle
Block at a3 tools
fervent needle
Like it runs checks on uploaded content
Blocks yours before you can upload
Seams like it would solve some problems
But people could always rename the pbo i guess
pliant oar
i'm sure many will disagree but that was the outcome last year with same/similar <unclear> cases
https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/203812-re-uploading-mods-on-the-workshop/?do=findComment&comment=3178723
"free redistribution is permitted for the original file package as long as it is kept unmodified and distributed 100% free of charge. "
in readme of original files , so the only thing i requested was better credits given and due clarify on the workshop item
it's about Fallujah https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=633789490
still below 1% false positive rate (2% if we take in mind some 3 content authors misunderstanding on IP rights inbetween each other)
so this cleansweep op was quite success
tulip nexus
I'd say it's a bit iffy with A2 ports EULAs, since the workshop did not even exist and wouldn't have factored in to the author's considerations when writing the EULA
pliant oar
ye but you can sort of consider such blank statement to be the grey zone (i hate that term)
tulip nexus
but the wording of the Workshop Agreement is more in line with what one has for other community hosts now. More than it was when A3 started
So I don't think it'd offend quite so much
pliant oar
w/o question there are way worse offenders
tulip nexus
Aye. I think the WS agreement's wording 3 years ago might have clashed with the use of the word "unmodified" in that EULA since it was very ambiguous with regards to what exactly could be changed/modified about the package the author uploaded. But now it's quite clear
dull moon
RE: DMCA Takedown Leaderboard
i guess i'd be within the top 10... sadly
cobalt creek
@echo orchid no matter of the reasons such as "convenience" or "my friends are noobs". 😂 😂 😂
fossil basalt
@pliant oar Didnt take KICKASS long to reupload everything to Google Drive. Any chance of getting his Steam account shut down since he clearly intends to continue violating ?
`I apologize for the inconvenience
You can download “KA Weapons Pack NEW” from here ：
https://drive.google...com...... `
topaz monolith
🤔 just sue him or w/e tbh? steam usually is really slow at getting things done
river spear
You can dmca his Google drive file @fossil basalt
And then when he moves to mega upload you can dmca him there aswell
Haha
fossil basalt
http://steamcommunity.com/id/masterofkek69000/myworkshopfiles/?appid=107410
Reuploads from Armaholic -not the author
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198126222135/myworkshopfiles/?appid=107410
Reuploads from Armaholic -not the author
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=721078842
Reupload of BadBensons content
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=792265603&searchtext=reupload
Illicit port and reupload without authors permission
cobalt creek
"Delta if you have a problem with me putting this up just PM me and ill take it down." 😂
river spear
@cobalt creek
"Pitchforks, pitchforks, no witch-hunt without pitchforks!"
"Torches, torches, don't go to a witch-hunt without a torch!"
"Cotton candy! Enjoy the witch-hunt with cotton candy!"
fossil basalt
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=766732194&searchtext=reupload
Reupload of ACE
http://steamcommunity.com/id/RobPlayzTV/myworkshopfiles/?appid=107410&p=1&numperpage=18
Entire workshop is someone elses content
river spear
I wish it was possible for a game publisher to add moderators to their workshop
So these moderators could ban rule breakers
fossil basalt
I agree
and after a user gets a certain number of infractions (for serious offences such as these) , a pathway for for a complete Steam ban (by Valve)
fossil basalt
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=903355482&searchtext=reupload
Reupload -not the author
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=884897941&searchtext=reupload
Reupload -not the author
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=907904265&searchtext=reupload
Reupload -not the author
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198088975263/myworkshopfiles/?appid=107410
Entire workshop is reuploaded Armaholic content. Not the author.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=908850445
Reupload of mod that was removed for infringement
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=832190936&searchtext=reupload
Reupload of Joint Rails. Not the author.
soft egret
Joint Rails doesn't exist anymore does it? It was merged into CBA over a year ago... Why are people still uploading/using it. Last update was Aug 2015
wheat wave
thanks for the heads up @fossil basalt
fossil basalt
No problem
wheat wave
"for some reason" really cant imagine why someone would think that! 😛
soft egret
Workshop is just so useful.. Click a button and the Mod get's automatically installed. And Automatically deleted when someone files a DMCA. And then you can rage about that your Mod has been deleted.
blazing wyvern
its not like you can do that on the fly while you playing
soft egret
Raging about stuff is just more fun than unpacking a zip archive and moving a folder
blazing wyvern
like in source games
wheat wave
if you violate licenses its your problem, these days 90% of updated arma mods exist on the WS
there's no point in reuploading stuff there
soft egret
Some people want old versions of Mods. Because their scripts break with the new Versions and they forgot how to fix the scripts.
But could just ask the Author to upload the old version seperatly instead
wheat wave
or make a private repo if it's for some community, since odds are you're still going to run some custom content to some extent
but yeah, version control would be a nice thing to have
fossil basalt
Yes, as long as people realise its the authors prerogative. Not anyone elses.
cobalt creek
¯_(ツ)_/¯
soft egret
I'm using A3Sync for all my Mods. And there are tons of others free and easy to use tools.
Most People don't have money to host these files.. Although they have money to pay their completly overpriced and overpowered dedicated server.
Or their Target audience isn't able to use such tools.
cobalt creek
They have "donations"
fossil basalt
There's a rather direct saying " Not my Problem". If you can't afford to do something, don't. If you didn't create the content, don't upload or reupload it. Some just dont get it.
cobalt creek
Generation Degeneration ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fossil basalt
Generation Degeneration needs a bit of bleach.
blazing wyvern
it needs arma direct 😄
pliant oar
well there was Desura, it was nice and worked for mods, nobody cared to support it (lazyness) so it died before had chance to flourish
and that was of course when they were together with modDB/indieDB not after the sellout and fails
and hell even modDB and nexusmods have EULA and TOS ... and adhere to dmca and IP takedowns
if people are worried about losing theirs mod, just slap it on main 5 services, one will survive for while 😉
queen wing
@pliant oar http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=32668 pretty sure this is not allowed, maybe contact Foxhound or another Armaholic mod
soft egret
There isn't actually anything malicious in there. You can do the same by jjust getting in via Script. Enhanced Movement's interaction menu or action key could do the same
queen wing
How is it not malicious it it essentially cracks the DLC's?
echo orchid
the original script was made by Mr Burns afaik, and the actual reply from BI was that it is allowed and there's no issue with it
hallow frigate
So basically I can place the script on my server and legally bypass Bohemias restrictions for people who don't own the DLC? I'd like to see this confirmed by BI staff.
wooden ingot
well, you will be inside yet dlc pop ups will still appear
queen wing
So you get the pop up, then you click that away and still use the vehicle? or do you get in and the pop up will keep being there and you can't use the vehicle (or weapon for that matter)
river spear
The popup can be clicked away but there will be occasional screen watermarks reminding you that you are in a DLC vehicle. It won't affect your ability to control the vehicle though @queen wing
BI just counts on the fact that the watermark can get annoying pretty fast so people rather buy the DLC than live with the annoying watermark
queen wing
Why am i buying all these DLC's then?
kinda BS tbh, spending €70 on DLC's or use it for free with a small watermark, but that could just be me
hallow frigate
Well I'm suprised but I won't complain. Will do the same in my scripts then, but of course "motivate" players to purchase the actual DLC
Very generous of BI..
river spear
It has a reason
In a normal mission, locking vehicles and weapons away from players would completely ruin the gameplay
Oh you cant pick that weapon up and die from the fact that you didn't have a weapon? Too bad
Thus they allow people to use them
But necessarily make it as easy as possible