linux_mac_branch

[viscid moon]

Hi,
I would ask if there some statistics are available how many arma 3 server runs with linux? Maybe detailed how many in 32bit and 64bit?

[gloomy flower]

any advice on using the official launcher? It forgets every setting, every restart.

linux

[flint raven]

you might get help on the armaonunix discord listed in #channel_invites_list

Im planning a major overhaul on my Arma3Helper script and i want to know how many of you still play arma 3 on linux and how many left 3 for reforger.
react pls ty 😉

[gritty sage]

the launcher is still laggy tho right?

[worthy grail]

anyone noticed longer load time on Arma Reforger after latest patch?

[fathom delta]

does mac works on arma 3? I bought arma 3 and it can be installed

started to play game but it's gone in a few sec

[wise canyon]

you can play the very outdated port, v1.82 vs latest v2.10. it only works on Intel Macs, not M1/M2.

[fathom delta]

Mine is MacBook pro M1

[wise canyon]

no bueno then

I've only been able to play it inside of Windows 10/11 ARM64 VM

and that is not a pleasant experience 😛

[flint raven]

arma and wine games in general are one of many victims of Apples customer hostility (under the disguise of "innovation")

[tidal marsh]

Someone managed to get arma running in a vm on a mbp. He can’t get battle eye to work yet.

#409163515752874002 message on the c4g koth discord. Asked him to post a yaab score and he said he will do it later

[tidal marsh]

He’s using parallels. He can’t run yaab because it can’t find a database

[acoustic depot]

really like how much the launcher improved since last time I used it

last time it was some laggy debug version that wasn't even public, now it just... works

that being said, does anyone else have to accept battleye thingy every launch? 👀

[gritty sage]

Well if its not lagging anymore, thats not done by us, that will be progress in Proton
Since the fixes required to get it working we didn't do more work on it

[flint raven]

Check file permissions for your compatdata folder and config files in Documents inaide of it. It seems to fail to save the acceptance

[acoustic depot]

all files are 644 and I'm the owner of them 🤔

which file exactly contains the battleye options?

[plucky nacelle]

How much better is running arma 3 on parallels on an m1 or m2 comparing to parallels on intel?

[wise canyon]

I wouldn’t get my hopes up running it on M1 with Parallels, here’s how it looked last time I tried it, #offtopic_software message

[plucky nacelle]

The white speckles? Bad news then. I’m playing on an old intel and it sucks very bad regarding fps but no weird artifacts

[wise canyon]

Then you can use Bootcamp and play on Windows natively

[plucky nacelle]

I did it and it is ok for the most part but got sick of dual booting. You can just pause parallels which is great. I was expecting to have the best of both worlds with the m1

[left fog]

LINUX and MAC client port branch discusssion goes here

[crystal scaffold]

Any chance to get a version that works with recently created mods? I get 'Bad version 68 in p3d file ' error, reported here: http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=26152

[crystal scaffold]

and if possible, can that be provided before I got on vacation with just a macbook in start of November :)

[uneven turret]

yo anyone got a3 to work on 2.18 of recent?

for linux?

tried running it through proton experimental but just launches and doesn't even spawn. Just dies lol

EDIT: Fixed

[quiet terrace]

thats what worries you?

hell dude ... im more worried about the wrong version tbh ^^

[uneven turret]

Anyone know how to install mods with Arma 3 Unix Launcher?

[uneven turret]

nvm sorted

[willow ice]

Hey so I’m a steam deck user and I’m having trouble using a total conversation mod. The thing outbreak.

It’s there but I keep pressing play and it doesn’t. Not even any error messages.

[worthy plover]

dunno what "total conversation mod" is.

However your game may not run at all because A3 doesn't support linux natively (including SteamOS) and you need a different launcher to make it work. Copied from Reddit after ~20 seconds of searching:

From https://github.com/muttleyxd/arma3-unix-launcher/releases download file ending with .Appimage . After downloading right click on the downloaded file -> properties -> Permission and tick 'is executable' and save it by clicking OK. After that you should be able to run it by clicking on the file.
People claim it worked year ago and will work now.

[willow ice]

Ok. I mean the base game works it’s just more of a map mod not working.

[torn basin]

Do other mods launch and work fine? If so, then you may have to ask the mod maker.
Otherwise, are you sure you're launching all the required mods correctly? Maybe you aren't and that's why the map doesn't work?

[willow ice]

I haven’t tried any others

[wise canyon]

official launcher should work with proton

[torn basin]

It's hard to guess at this point, if all you've told us is that "The thing outbreak." I'm guessing that you mean that the name of the mod is "outbreak"?
Sometimes mods have dependencies on other mods (the Arma 3 launcher usually takes care of these). Maybe that map mod is a dependency that you simply haven't launched?

[crystal scaffold]

agreed, an update to the current version would be awesome

[trim loom]

We hear you guys :)

[left fog]

^x4

[sly rover]

Greetings

And it is getting updated, in case you don't know.

I must express my appreciation for the Linux/Mac clients.

Arma is almost my top played game on Steam now, having only played it since it came to Linux.

[sly rover]

@left fog if I may ask, are there plans to possibly port the a3 tools to Linux?

[left fog]

looks at @left python and feels sorry for him ;)

[sly rover]

doesn't get it

I don't mind so much if it doesn't happen, though it would be nice.

[languid blaze]

a3 tools on linux... i'd be inclined to say when hell freezes over :p

[sly rover]

a3 client on Linux... I'd be inclined to say wh-- wait...

[raven meteor]

@languid blaze or else there is Mikero

[languid blaze]

:D

[sour vapor]

I can't get CBA_A3 to work on Mac :( anyone else experiencing mod issues with Mac port?

[sly rover]

I don't have a mac, but I definitely have friends that have used CBA on mac. I know that doesn't help much...

@sour vapor Can you describe what you have done so far?

[sour vapor]

Added -nosplash -noPause -showScriptErrors -FilePatching -mod=@CBA_A3 to the steam launch options

lol @ sign

= @CBA_A3

not =@

[sly rover]

lol

What if you tried, just to see, if it worked with only the -mod parameter

Or try enabling it in game, in the main menu

[sour vapor]

feck... it was -showScriptErrors lol

typical

[sly rover]

So it all works now, just without that flag?

[sour vapor]

well Arma doesn't CTD

haven't check the rest yet

[sly rover]

Mkay

[sour vapor]

want to get ALiVE on Mac connecting to ALiVE on Linux :)

[sly rover]

I want to do a lot of things with the mods. I don't even care about most of them, but to make sure they work would be nice, especially after the update comes.

I've been working on porting task force radio. Not sure if I'm skilled enough for it right now, but they ts plugin should be easy. The a3 addon, not so much.

[gritty sage]

the a3 addon should be easier to port.. it has way less code

[sly rover]

Perhaps. But, from what I can tell as a c++ noob, the only Windows specific stuff is where it uses wininet and some types.

I did the easy stuff (path case/separators), and now when I work on it, it is mostly reading.

The a3 addon seems to use the windows api exclusively. But we shall see, maybe it won't be so hard.

I figure that wininet can be replaced with libcurl

[gritty sage]

it uses windows implementation of named pipes correct but you can do the same on linux

[sly rover]

Interested in helping? haha

[gritty sage]

Nope i got own work to do ^^

[sly rover]

If anyone has interest (and can follow our code of conduct), I am hosting an Arma 3 event with my Linux gaming community: https://friendlylinuxplayers.org/events/d0a29709573b0fe7

[tidal marsh]

Anyone else having the issue that rhs tanks/ifvs don't blow up when running on dedicated linux servers?

[keen sage]

Any idea when mac version will be updated and synced with latest windows build, 1.52 somthnig?

[sly rover]

Never

@keen sage It will be updated to 1.54 after that version is released, which will be in November

[worthy grail]

Hello I installed Arma 3 second PC (steamdeck) but I am having issue with launcher detecting mods. Arma 3 is installed on SD card which wine map as E: drive and launcher have issue with linking mods. This is the errors from launcher.log :

2023-04-07 13:17:07,140 [ INFO] ker: SteamUgcDownloadManager: Item was installed: 1400574293
2023-04-07 13:17:07,141 [ INFO] ker: TaskQueue: Task queue: Enqueued task Enqueuing extension NIArms All in One - RHS Compatibility., steam:1400574293 for synchronization
2023-04-07 13:17:07,189 [ INFO] 240: TaskQueue: Spinning task queue: Enqueuing extension Anizay, steam:1537973181 for synchronization
2023-04-07 13:17:07,190 [ INFO] 288: InnerSyncHelper: Mod synchronization done: pid = steam:1617004814; dir = E:\steamapps\workshop\content\107410\1617004814
2023-04-07 13:17:07,193 [ INFO] 240: TaskQueue: Task queue: Operation Utils.Threading.Tasks.TaskQueueElement completed
2023-04-07 13:17:07,201 [ INFO] 290: SteamExtensionStorage: Junction creating: E:\steamapps\common\Arma 3\!Workshop\@Anizay <- E:\steamapps\workshop\content\107410\1537973181
2023-04-07 13:17:07,201 [ERROR] 290: InnerSyncHelper: System.ServiceModel.ActionNotSupportedException: Cannot create linux junction in wine on non Z: path
  at Launcher.Extensions.SteamExtensionStorage+InnerSyncHelper.UpdateJunction (Launcher.Extensions.Models.ExtensionInfo extension, System.String destination, System.String modFolder) [0x0007d] in 
<fb552fa843404c32a991da63bcf73cb2>:0 ```

  at Launcher.Extensions.SteamExtensionStorage+InnerSyncHelper+<>c__DisplayClassc0.<SynchronizeModAsync>b__bc () [0x00000] in <fb552fa843404c32a991da63bcf73cb2>:0 
  at System.Threading.Tasks.Task`1[TResult].InnerInvoke () [0x0000f] in <e70d6e9587d64cb3abb4b3f99bbf5a0d>:0 
  at System.Threading.Tasks.Task.Execute () [0x00000] in <e70d6e9587d64cb3abb4b3f99bbf5a0d>:0 
--- End of stack trace from previous location where exception was thrown ---```

[wise canyon]

Cannot create linux junction in wine on non Z: path

[worthy grail]

yep i see that, if only wine would stop creating E: drive link

[torn basin]

Blind guess: what if you create the junction/symlink manually?

And then rerun the launcher

Maybe wine is trying to convert junctions into linux hardlinks which cannot span across different drives 🤔

[worthy grail]

its pain with 100 mods, actually tried with 3 mods but launcher always fails on different mods and then give up and will not continue with other

[torn basin]

always fails on different mods
Do you mean "on the next one"?
If so, then you're moving in the right direction

Other than that maybe a script could do it faster. If it makes you feel better, AFAIR the launcher only does this once for every mod you subscribe to

Someone correct me, but I think that the name of the mod (and thus the name of the junction/symlink) should be in the meta.cpp file of each E:\steamapps\workshop\content\107410\xxxxxxxx directory?

[worthy grail]

found this solution now it use Z: drive letter but it can't find game folder for some reason... https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/306297/how-to-stop-wine-from-assigning-drive-letters-to-mounted-devices-automatically

2023-04-07 15:51:01,865 [ INFO] 605: InnerSyncHelper: Mod synchronization done: pid = steam:1638341685; dir = Z:\run\media\mmcblk0p1\steamapps\workshop\content\107410\1638341685
2023-04-07 15:51:01,866 [ INFO] 247: TaskQueue: Task queue: Operation Utils.Threading.Tasks.TaskQueueElement completed
2023-04-07 15:51:01,866 [ INFO] 247: TaskQueue: Spinning task queue: Enqueuing extension AMF_AIO, steam:1781990846 for synchronization
2023-04-07 15:51:01,868 [ERROR] 607: InnerSyncHelper: System.ArgumentException: The drive name does not exist
Parameter name: driveName
  at System.IO.DriveInfo..ctor (System.String driveName) [0x000d1] in <e70d6e9587d64cb3abb4b3f99bbf5a0d>:0 
  at Utils.IO.FileSystemUtils.IsNtfs (System.String path) [0x00000] in <3673133196f1441fb9f60e43f855d062>:0 
  at Launcher.Extensions.InsituUgcModSynchronizationStrategy.SynchronizeMod (Launcher.Extensions.Models.ExtensionInfo extension, System.String installDirectoryBySteam) [0x00038] in <fb552fa843404c32a991da63bcf73cb2>:0 
  at Launcher.Extensions.SteamExtensionStorage+InnerSyncHelper+<>c__DisplayClassc0.<SynchronizeModAsync>b__bc () [0x00000] in <fb552fa843404c32a991da63bcf73cb2>:0 
  at System.Threading.Tasks.Task`1[TResult].InnerInvoke () [0x0000f] in <e70d6e9587d64cb3abb4b3f99bbf5a0d>:0 
  at System.Threading.Tasks.Task.Execute () [0x00000] in <e70d6e9587d64cb3abb4b3f99bbf5a0d>:0 
--- End of stack trace from previous location where exception was thrown --- ```

[torn basin]

I would suggest reading the error again, just like with the previous one that you posted

How to stop Wine from assigning drive letters to mounted devices

[ERROR] 607: InnerSyncHelper: System.ArgumentException: The drive name does not exist
You would think that your "fix" and the error may perhaps have a nonzero chance of being related 🙃

[worthy grail]

Z: path still exist which is / as you can see it can find workshop mod on Z: path Z:\run\media\mmcblk0p1\steamapps\workshop\content\107410\1638341685

[torn basin]

tbh if making symlinks manually was actually helping I'd write a quick script to create all of them (but you haven't actually confirmed if that was the case)

[worthy grail]

i think it works now, i deleted all Arma3 launcher settings from drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/Local/Arma 3 Launcher/ and it started linking mods

it crashed once during mod linking but on second run it linked all mods

[wise canyon]

as long as you install everything on Z: it should be fine

[worthy grail]

Z is just link to root / which i kept intact and you basically can get anywhere from / if you have rights to access it

[wise canyon]

yeah, just add a folder there as your steam library

[halcyon brook]

Does Arma run smoothly on Mac?

[fresh umbra]

depends on the mac i assume, and arma doesn run butter smooth on PC either

it CAN run on my 2.5 i7, gt 750, 16gb ram, pcix ssd MBP, but it is a bit strugling

[sour vapor]

Getting lots of RPT errors running CBA and ALiVE on Mac

Guess probably related to Mac port being v1.42

no support for params command (which CBA uses as part of PARAM_1 macro)

8:47:11 Error in expression < private ["_logic","_moduleID"]; _this params ["_logic"]; ; if (isNil "ALIVE> 8:47:11 Error position: <params ["_logic"]; ; if (isNil "ALIVE> 8:47:11 Error Missing ;

[keen sage]

@halcyon brook, it runs pretty well on my 2012 iMac

[fierce mason]

Does vindicta work out of the box ?

I'm on linux mint

[wooden zinc]

Hiya! Heads-up: we've just updated the Mac port version to 2.12 (meaning currently compatible with Windows) 🍏 The Linux port was removed in favor of using Proton going forward 🐧
Full information will come over the next hours, but wanted to ping here in case your Steam is showing activity already.

[short tulip]

WHAAAAAAT!?

No! Screw Proton! It is truly the cancer that is BLATANTLY killing Linux gaming!

I'm really going to miss this game.

[celest laurel]

We've been seen the Mac activities. Congrats!

[short tulip]

Steam is already installing the Windows version on my computer. If I had any warning, I probably would've hidden it in order to stop the process. But as things stand now, I should probably uninstall it.

[torn basin]

Proton is the thing that is allowing linux people to actually play arma.
I may be wrong, but if my memory serves me right, I recall only one time window of around 2 weeks when the linux version was on par with windows, and that was the only time when linux players could play alongside windows players.
So unless you're playing singleplayer or a linux-only coop, proton is literally the only thing that can save Arma gaming on linux 😛

[short tulip]

No. Without a native Linux version, Arma has no more Linux support than Call of Duty or Fortnite or any of those other games that I absolutely turned down on a basis of my 0th priority for game choice.

If a game does not have a native Linux support, it is not worth my money, my time, or even my attention. I have had to turn down a LOT of games that I might've otherwise had interest in. But the most painful experiences are when games that previously supported Linux dropped that support AFTER I enjoyed them. It's a fond memory that I cannot return to anymore. Now I'm going to have to relegate my time with East Wind to that category.

[celest laurel]

Even though I'm not even stopping you from drop or missing you, what is your feedback than a rant?

[torn basin]

But the most painful experiences are when games that previously supported Linux dropped that support AFTER I enjoyed them. It's a fond memory that I cannot return to anymore.
I'm genuinely interested in knowing: have you played Arma multiplayer on Linux previously or was your experience limited to Singleplayer? Because maybe there was something that I have been missing all this time 😐

[short tulip]

I don't know how to do feedback. I'm not very experienced with actually responding to stuff. If I could've caught wind with their plans to drop Linux support before it happened, I'd ask them to reconsider. But I'm assuming that now it's completely irreversible. And that if they were to somehow change their minds, they'd have to start over FROM SCRATCH.

[short tulip]

My experiences were mostly single player. My experiences on multi player were absolutely miserable because the Linux version of Battle Eye had never been tested for more than a few people. And the only time I had a chance to play with other Linux users was on a server that had about twice that many. Connection dropouts were constant. I was told to be patient, because they were too busy updating the Windows version and that they'd update the Linux version to the latest version at a time that made sense to them.

I realize that the EON branch made the port take too long to maintain version parity on a reliable basis. That is why I was hoping that the Enfusion engine, which powers their sequels would have Linux support baked in. But when the standalone DayZ came out as Windows-only, I feared the worst-case scenario. And that seems to be the case with Reforger.

[wooden zinc]

This is purely about Arma 3 at the moment (not Enfusion nor future Arma games). A3's experimental Linux client port was stuck in 1.82 for years. Unfortunately, we cannot at this stage justify to update that particular 'native' port (in light of the involved costs and the already small crew still working on A3 on our side). It also does not relate to Linux Dedicated Server for Arma 3.

[gritty sage]

Arma never had "native" linux support.
The previous linux port had a wrapper, like proton. It just wasn't proton but rather a custom proprietary solution, but it achieved similar things.

We didn't drop linux support, its the same as before (no actually, its much better now because it will always be on-par with windows! 🥳 ), we just switched to a different system.

[wise canyon]

I did not try BattlEye but otherwise seems to work great on my Apple Silicon machine 👍

[short tulip]

Yeah. Yeah. I know. But at least EON wasn't the cliche turn-key solution for pretending to give a care about Linux while doing absolutely nothing (or barely anything) to that extent.

[gritty sage]

So you just hate it because you hate Proton, no practical reason otherwise?

[short tulip]

Proton is taking over too much of Linux gaming. It's created an era where games that have no support whatsoever are overshadowing the games that actually do support Linux. I want to support and reward games that put proper effort into Linux support. But I'm surrounded by a Linux community that is getting off on how many Windows shackles they can run on their Linux systems better than Windows itself can handle. And now BI has added Arma 3 to that heap.

[gritty sage]

Okey thank you. We will try to consider your feedback in the future

[torn basin]

I have had to turn down a LOT of games that I might've otherwise had interest in.
I feel sorry for your anger right now, but consider my [cool] story [bro]: I was a 95% linux user and a 5% windows user.
Since Arma multiplayer didn't work at all on linux there were no efforts to port other things to linux as well (like TFAR).
And because of that, you could say that "there was nothing that was working on Linux for arma" (yes, I'm simplifying).

So, because I really wanted to start modding Arma, I switched to using Windows and somehow stayed there and right now I'm only using Linux on WSL and on servers.
Had Arma had Linux support through proton back then, I probably would have stayed on Linux and would most probably have ported TFAR to that OS (I really was considering it anyway but dropped the idea), which would probably have made more Linux people play Arma on Linux (well... me, at least 😛 )

In other words: what you are saying that is killing linux gaming right now, would have been what did NOT kill linux gaming for me, back in the day 😔

[short tulip]

I mean, Proton was usable for playing the Windows version of Arma 3 for years. It didn't stop today. Today is only the point where BI decided that Proton should be the only way Linux users play Arma 3.

It seems that was how most of the Linux community played it anyway.

[torn basin]

Just as an FYI: to me, Arma on Linux became viable only around late 2021 (I think) when BE and Proton started being friends. So I don't consider the game "playable" before that era (although one might say that private communities that could afford running without BE could have Linux users on Proton/wine before that) because I was playing solely on public servers

But obviously, that was way too late for me

[velvet belfry]

I don't know how the situation changes at all though, given how the old "native" version wasn't native either. So the only thing that changes is the wrapper used, and everyone gets the latest version instead of a years old one

[short tulip]

I had a bare minimum moral justification to this (and yes, I realize that I'm grasping at straws) over other games of its ilk.

[left fog]

there was no other way anyway , the old 'ports' had custom wrapper (literally it was like DIY wine+proton) with it's own share of problems and extremely delayed release cycle (lagging behind actual branch)

so you literally complaining about Proton way, because before there was something-la-proton just not named same

unless you confusing native linux server binary vs non native client binary at linux (inside wrapper) because that how it always was for Arma since 1

[wooden zinc]

We've hit a small snag with publishing the web announcements, so that will follow tomorrow.

[wise canyon]

but but surely having a linux flag on steam must mean it's 100% native linux code? soon you'll say that other games being listed as linux games on steam are not fully native either!

[left fog]

but nobody is arguing here native linux app ain't better ... but if there isn't then Proton or alike solution is better than none

[wise canyon]

until required dynamic libraries differ between distros

[acoustic depot]

bruh what

[wooden zinc]

Here is the updated ports info page, which also contains links to Community Wiki guides for certain platform specifics (thanks @solar pine) 🍏 🐧
http://dev.arma3.com/ports

[wise canyon]

2-core Intel Core i5 1.4 GHz
I feel sorry for whoever tries to play on that

There is an even more experimental native Mac port available, but it does not support BattlEye anti-cheat, so multiplayer is more restricted. Curious players can try this port via the Steam launch options window when launching the game on Mac.

I guess this is the Launch experimental Apple Silicon version option? If so then it's still locked to m_test branch. The binary is in the folder and can be invoked manually but the launch option is hidden in Steam.

native one works great, just playing a bit in the editor feels really snappy

[wooden zinc]

Good catch. Somehow our QA had the launch options, but likely Steam client just kept it from the test branch.
I've just published the removal of the branch requirement. It may take a little time to propagate (might need to restart Steam client).

[wise canyon]

can confirm it's available as launch option now

[crystal scaffold]

Testing the Mac port on my M1, works nicely on low graphics for me. Open question for me is how to run SOG PF Creators DLC? I don't see it in Library/Application\ Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Arma\ 3

[buoyant cedar]

Downloading it now to try on my m1 MacBook Pro too. How does it run fps wise?

[crystal scaffold]

very nicely, default is low graphics, but even when yanked everything up it seems to be smooth. Much better than my experience with an Intel Mac back in 2017 with the old port

[crystal scaffold]

Yet Another Arma Benchmark showed 29.1 fps with 3km view distance

though with a rather low 1720 resolution (or so)

[buoyant cedar]

Runs pretty great! I’m so happy. SOG PF is not showing up for me either. Also, no launcher so I can’t choose which mods I want to run

[crystal scaffold]

the wiki has some guidance, I linked some mods to my home folder and started it via command line: open -a Arma3\ AS\ Native --args -mod=C:/Users/spindler/@vn -p default -no-remote

[dry venture]

wow, never expected arma 3 to get AS support, may be dayz, but arma in this stage of development

may be there is hope to fly in vision pro eventually ☺️

[soft venture]

We are looking into this. We decided to create new CDLC depots for Mac, to keep Mac-compatible CDLC versions available once we update A3, but it seems that they are not properly configured. Once it is sorted, we will inform you.

[soft venture]

The issue should be resolved.

[wise canyon]

when I tried 30 minutes ago I only got GM. I see no metadata changes since then but will retry

still only downloads GM CDLC

[soft venture]

Interesting, I don't see any reason in the steam backend why only GM would be available. I'm looking into it.

[wise canyon]

me neither 😦

public looks like it has the mac dlc depots connected

hmm, it looks as if steam thinks I don't have a license for the mac dlc depots of sogpf, ws and csla

but they have the correct package tied to them

oooooh

I know why, I'll dm you 😛

apparently you have to DM/add me first 😄

[wise canyon]

should be fixed now!

[quasi orchid]

Hello everyone! Guys, thank you so much for the Apple Silicon port, it runs amazingly well, even with most mods!

Hope you can keep updating this, because it is impressive how smooth this version is on Macs.

I have a question: I used to use a head tracker on Windows... what are the available versions on Mac? Alternatively, I was thinking of writing my own UDP head movement parser as a mod, but modding does not currently allow listening on a UDP port, does it? Thank you in advance

[gritty sage]

If you could make extensions you could write your UDP listening yourself.
But I don't know if the mac port supports extensions

[quasi orchid]

If by extensions you mean mods, yes it does, and they work surprisingly fine actually

Of course a native head tracking protocol would be much better, but I'm not sure there's anything working on *NIX systems

[gritty sage]

no not mods

extensions, dynamically loaded libraries.
"callExtension" script command

[quasi orchid]

Ohhh, just found out about that. It'd be interesting to understand what kind of extensions the macOS version supports. But thank you for pointing me to the right direction

Which brings me to the next question... are DLLs via callExtension called through Wine emulation on the current Apple Silicon branch? It would be interesting to understand how this is handled

[gritty sage]

Thats the thing I don't know

[quasi orchid]

Yes! But apparently, they are not called... I'm trying with ACE, which works fine for 90% of the features, but those based on extensions don't work. Will be trying to compile those as native and see how it goes

It would be nice to have a feedback from the devs or at least the third-party porting this over to Mac. Not having ACE3 working correctly is quite a bummer

[quasi orchid]

Hello @soft venture , sorry to bother you by pinging, but it looks like you know the inner works of the latest Mac branch. Does it support callExtension? I recompiled ACE3 in dylib because I believe it's quite important to have such a huge mod working natively on the latest release; the callExtension command, though, always returns "0". Am I missing something? Is it simply not implemented in the Mac build for now?

[soft venture]

I'm not very familiar with the translation layer used by VP to get A3 working on Mac. I am only involved as the Deployment Engineer for A3. I'll see if I can get a clarification for you, though.

[quasi orchid]

Thanks, much appreciated!

[torn basin]

I'm not a mac user, but if I were you, I'd start with checking with strace (or a mac equivalent) what filename the game tries to open when you're executing callExtension.
If it's a failed attempt to open a dll file, you'll then know that it thinks it's a windows binary, for example

[quasi orchid]

Good suggestion. I can then try renaming .dylibs to .dlls to see if the engine is able to execute SOMETHING out of them from there on. And if it does, off to the bug tracker! 😁

[gritty sage]

also check RPT log

it will tell if extension wasn't found

There is a chance that while porting they just disabled the extension system, in that case it may log nothing

[quasi orchid]

Welp. This looks like the case. There is NO reference to external DLLs in the logfile (and weirdly enough, it does call some internal DLLs in the native Mac version, so they're most likely ported...)

@soft venture is this something we can push to VP to enable callExtensions on this port? Should I file a bug report on the tracker? They could just go for the "lazy implementation" and allow dylibs only, this is probably the main reason they left it out, to avoid people complaining that DLLs are not working. But they still don't anyway... If they implemented it, at least we mod developers have the chance of writing native libraries if we want...

[soft venture]

@quasi orchid I got a reply from VP:

Windows versions of all DLLs, both game’s and third party, are used in both Rosetta builds and native build. In Rosetta build they are converted to ARM code by Rosetta, in native build they are converted to ARM code by our custom solution, which will persist after Rosetta is retired. The dylibs are not supported, one, because such mixing of DLLs and dylibs is hard to support, and, more importantly, because running executables from outside the game bundle is expressly disallowed by Apple security requirements for Steam, so there is no point in supporting them. Executable code for third party libraries used in DLCs has been preconverted and the preconversion results are stored within the game bundle, usable only in conjunction with data from actual DLLs, present if the DLC is installed on macOS.
The game bundle is hardened executables, which means everything in it is cryptographically signed, the entire bundle is notarised with Apple and won’t run if anyone tries to change even a bit inside it, code or data..

[quasi orchid]

because running executables from outside the game bundle is expressly disallowed by Apple security requirements for Steam, so there is no point in supporting them.

... ugh, so it's basically a commercial reason? Bummer.

[gritty sage]

Apple doing an Apple again..
That's what you get for buying from them 🤷

[wise canyon]

from what I can tell they've made wrappers/replacements for the official DLLs like the ones in Contact and SOG PF. It's even printed to the logfile.

I can confirm the EMM DLL in SOG PF works fine in game but not others from mods.

[quasi orchid]

Yeah that's what happened... the whole callExtension has been overridden to bypass execution, it always returns code 0 no matter what you call.

How about head tracking? Does anyone know if the TrackIR or FreeTrack capability has been maintained? And if yes, what the path to the wine wrapper is? In that case, OpenTrack could theoretically talk to the Arma executable and therefore we could get head tracking to work on the Mac version as well.

Orrrrr, since this is a feature that can be sandboxed since it's built in, VP could give us a wine-wrapped DLL for TrackIR/FreeTrack, that we can then use to link OpenTrack.

[crystal violet]

bruh
how do I get arma 3 multiplayer working with a friend who is on the new mac port
im on windows. I;ve done all of the port forwarding bull and it still doesnt work
he doesnt have upnp

[crystal violet]

Bruh

someone help me

[crystal violet]

also, for port forwarding, is 2302 the external port and 2306 the internal port? im very confused

[soft venture]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Dedicated_Server#Port_Forwarding
Here is an explanation for what ports need to be forwarded. It has an overview of what each port is used for as well.

[crystal violet]

Uhh, my router app, spectrum uses internal and external instead of outgoing and incoming, and also, what is recommended?

[soft venture]

Recommended for what exactly?

[crystal violet]

Idk, a multiplayer server I guess

Between a mac friend

[soft venture]

If you want something quick, you can use the host option in-game. If you want something more permanent that will run without you running the game, you can set up a dedicated server on your PC or another PC that you are willing to keep running. More info on that can be found in the wiki page I linked before. If you are willing to spend some money, you can set up a server with a server host which takes away a lot of the technical setup such as port forwarding.

[crystal violet]

hmm. I've tried the host option in-game, but my mac friend isnt able to join, let alone see it on the friends part of the server browser

[torn basin]

What ports have you forwarded exactly?

[crystal violet]

2306 external, 2302 internal

[torn basin]

If you're behind NAT (and you most probably are) you should only care about incoming traffic.
And it's been a long time since I have set up a server at home but I'm quite sure you have to forward ALL ports in the 2302-2306 range.
It seems like your internal-external thing is a port mapping so you most probably should leave the ports as they are (i.e. 2302 to 2302, etc...)

And also, I think this issue is not related to the linux/mac branch, so you'd better ask there: #arma3_troubleshooting
(after trying forwarding all the ports first, obviously)

[wise canyon]

you need to forward 2302, 2303, 2304, 2305, 2306, all as UDP

[quasi orchid]

Hello @soft venture , think you could ping VP asking if they removed all support for Head Tracking devices, or if there's something left? I would like to have a starting point to experiment around a little bit.

[soft venture]

I've asked them.

[soft venture]

Currently the tracking DLL's are not part of the game bundle for MacOS, so there is no support for it. This comes back again to the whole third-party DLL issue with Steam on Mac. VP can look at getting it added, but it is also dependent on whether it is worth the effort as at the moment we are unclear on how much time it will take to implement an existing or new solution, and how many people will be using it. If at any point there is an update on it, we will communicate it.

[quasi orchid]

Oh okay, thank you... Yes I suspected that, even though in this case it would be easy to pinpoint WHICH dlls to whitelist.
Hopefully this Mac port will keep getting updated, I've heard very enthusiastic reviews from Mac gamers about it, and I can confirm it works very well, despite these limitations.

[upbeat kraken]

On the arma 3 wiki it only explains how to load 1 mods with the launch option

how do you load several mods? (Mac)

[gritty sage]

-mod="@mod1;@mod2;@mod3"

[upbeat kraken]

aight cool thx lad

[rugged violet]

Trying to start Arma 3 on Mac and all I get is “Failure unknown error” no matter what version I select

[dry venture]

Have you tried gpt?

[upbeat kraken]

Any idea why V sync on arma 3 locked the fps to 55 instead of 60?

[bitter cypress]

maybe your refresh rate is set to 55?!

[upbeat kraken]

i dont think you can change mac screen refresh rate

is there a way to limit the fps to 60?

[bitter cypress]

v sync - in theory - should limit the (displayed) frames to your refresh rate, iirc.

[upbeat kraken]

i just ran a refresh rate test

60hz

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vu77IK9Gb9_wOZbOr-m5EFHtdi1XKaez/view?usp=sharing vid of me changing vsync

[upbeat kraken]

any idea on this though?

[velvet belfry]

There is some obscure dev keybind to set FPS limits IIRC, can't recall what it is though. Google is your friend

[upbeat kraken]

aight cool ty

[sly rover]

If anyone has interest, tomorrow my inclusive Linux gaming community is hosting another Arma 3 event:

https://friendlylinuxplayers.org/events/90efd648ab9fb34b

This time, with someone who has never done Zeus before.

[torn basin]

my inclusive Linux gaming community
Are you implying that every other Linux gaming community is exclusive so that you absolutely need to include "inclusive"? 🤔

[sly rover]

It is not my intention to imply that. I am being specific about the purpose of the community.

[strange stump]

I loved the comunity name, i an gay and i understand what it means.

[torn basin]

Sent you a DM because this is actually offtopic

[autumn oriole]

How would i run mutiple mods on arma 3? (mac)

[gritty sage]

^ on a mac

[torn basin]

@wise canyon 😄

[autumn oriole]

i have tried the gaming wiki

[torn basin]

And what exactly is your issue? What is the part that doesn't work?

Have you tried running the mods as Dedmen told you in the other channel? What happened?

[wise canyon]

same as with windows or linux, either use multiple -mod= i.e. -mod=@mod1 -mod=@mod2 or use one mod statement with multiple arguments i.e. -mod=@mod1;@mod2

[autumn oriole]

k ty

[quasi orchid]

hello! I've started playing Arma 3 non-AS on Macbook Pro M2 Max - runs quite well tbqh. However, in game, I can not set resolution to the actual screen resolution (3456x2234), only to 1728x1080. Seems the game doesn't recognize the retina screen scaling factor or something. Anyone know a way around this? cheers

[dry venture]

maybe standard change through config file 🤔

[quasi orchid]

found a config file in ~/Library/Application Support/com.vpltd.Arma3/GameDocuments/Arma 3/Arma3.cfg which has parameters for renderWidth/renderHeight. If I set these to desired resolution and launch the game, the game immediately modifies the values in the file to the low resolution.

[upbeat kraken]

How do you change the FOV on mac?

[quasi orchid]

dr bork just put the path of the config file for Arma. You can fiddle with the FOV there to change it

[clever verge]

should a mac mini late 2014 run a3 at a playable framerate or...?

what macs is arma 3 suited for?

[upbeat kraken]

where exactly?

[autumn oriole]

how would i get ACRE 2 to run with both teamspeak 3 and arma 3?

[gritty sage]

On Mac? you don't, doesn't work

[upbeat kraken]

a few terrains and uniform mods crashes the game on m1 mac

[worthy plover]

if this is a bug report then you are doing it wrong.

[upbeat kraken]

If its a mod i can still submit a report?

[wise canyon]

as long as it's not a bug caused by the mod

[upbeat kraken]

I mean i think its just the game is still an experiental build, those mods just doesnt work

Cuz using A PC with the exact mod setup works alright

[wise canyon]

for example, if the mod uses a native extension to function then that wouldn't work

[strange stump]

The mod comes with DLL file(s) on it?

[sly rover]

Does anyone know if binary mods are capable of working?

I just tried writing a simple example extension and calling it from the console, but it did nothing.

I also am a noob at c++ and arma, so I could have done something wrong

I would like to port some mods, but not yet sure if it is even possible.

[blazing sonnet]

For starters, did the extension work in the Windows client, or do you not have one?

[sly rover]

I don't have Windows to test in

[stone leaf]

How do i activate mods on mac since theres no launcher

[clever verge]

go in game and select expansions from the menu something along the lines

basically the old pre-launcher way, or specify -mod=modname

[stone leaf]

I went to expansions and all it shows are dlc i dont see the mods i downloaded

[clever verge]

try the other icon about that

there's one option where it shows you an addon manager

[clever verge]

click options -> expansions instead of expansions on the bottom left

it should show you something like this https://i.imgur.com/2H1G7b2.jpg

[stone leaf]

Thats what i did and it just showed the dlc

[clever verge]

did you put the mods where arma 3 is located or somewhere in application support where there might be something for it?

you might have to do the redirection for workshop items from steamapps/workshop to the arma 3 directory

that's what the launcher does in windows

[stone leaf]

All i did was download them on workshop

[sick scarab]

I think it'd be a more prudent course of action to check your code is working first

[sly rover]

And how do I do that without Windows?

If someone would like to look... https://gist.github.com/her001/d5d8425510fc75fb3d8b

It is messy

Then I tried calling that via the hint function

In the console in game

[sick scarab]

Try making the extension write to a file to check it's being loaded and is running properly

[sly rover]

Ok

[sick scarab]

You could also probably just write to stdout and check with that

[clever verge]

yeah you need to manually do what the windows launcher does

its complicated because you need to locate the right id for the mod and symblink it to your arma 3 folder

[sly rover]

I tried that

[sick scarab]

Did it work?

[sly rover]

Nope. It does not work in the RVExtension function

But that may be because the port can't use shared objects in the normal way

[sick scarab]

Have you tried hinting just a normal string in the mod to see if that works?

or diag_log ect

Also check the RPT to see if the mod is being loaded

[sly rover]

hint "Hello"; works, if that is what you mean

[sick scarab]

Yeah, it rules out the mod not being loaded

[sly rover]

What do you mean by RPT?

[sick scarab]

arma's log file

[clever verge]

and you probably do want to name the addons something recognizable

[clever verge]

it wont show up in the game without symblinking the workshop item folder to something recognizable in the arma 3 folder

im not sure a macos alias would work since its different than a symlink, think it like lnk files vs links

[sick scarab]

mkay apparently rpts just get put in stdout

how annoying

[stone leaf]

Is there like a video tutorial somewhere on how to do that

[sick scarab]

Redirect stdout to a file and look through that, it should show you any errors popping up

[sly rover]

I ran from terminal, so I see the output. Nothing special there

But I read that the library need only be in the root Arma 3 dir, then it will be loaded. Does it need to be set up like other mods just to test that it works? Would it show in the output if it loaded or not?

[clever verge]

not that i know of, my apologies

[stone leaf]

Dam

[clever verge]

but this is basically how you put arma 3 mods before the launcher existed

so pretty much you'd have to do it the old way

or find where the mods are

uh, also mods that use extensions or contain dlls wont work

[wise canyon]

I tried alias and it did not work

[clever verge]

not a video tutorial but you can find https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Play_on_Mac

[wise canyon]

symlinks should work

[clever verge]

thats what i thought, but it should work with symlinks

oh, question, are there compatible servers for the posix ports?

[wise canyon]

the only port is the macOS port, Linux uses the vanilla Windows binary via proton

looks like the macOS port lacks the mini patch from the other day, before that it was in sync with any up to date server

[clever verge]

i see, hopefully it gets patched

[gritty shard]

have you checked whether the lib gets loaded at all?

e.g. by using strace or lsof

[sly rover]

Hm. Checking /proc/$pid/maps does not show my library

But that doesn't show the steamworks lib either

So one sec

OH. Arma is 32 bit

Hm. That didn't fix it. I shall look more later. I can force it with LD_PRELOAD and it still has no effect

[upbeat kraken]

How do you disable the black script error box on Eden editor? (M1 mac)

[gritty sage]

Can't

Fix the script error. No error == no box

[desert forge]

so we just went there and got stuck on the files "application support" part

for context my friend cant join because she doesnt have the traditional launcher so she cant click the "load mods"

[wise canyon]

time to either adapt one of the current launchers or write a macOS specific one I guess 😅

[desert forge]

well she cant join the server im hosting for some reason, i mean this also happened to my other friend who was on windows

i cant find a specific reason and it just happens randomly

[wise canyon]

can confirm https://github.com/muttleyxd/arma3-unix-launcher works to manage mods on new macOS ports
latest macOS release can be grabbed at https://github.com/muttleyxd/arma3-unix-launcher/releases/download/commit-383/arma3-unix-launcher-383.fd68309-mac_os_x-x86_64.dmg

[wise canyon]

that doesn't sound like a "load mods" issue

[desert forge]

well it doesnt seem to be anything else, we all do the same thing just different devices at different parts of the world

[worthy plover]

have you ruled out any mod issues through, idk, setting up a non-modded server?

mac branch is not compatible with everything and since the same issue happend to a win player then it's either something being you fault or you all are trying to use a faulty mod.

[wise canyon]

can you provide your server and troublesome client logs?

[desert forge]

just a host server, standard port the game gives us, no fancy server hoster thing

[desert forge]

has been happening since we all got the game

[worthy plover]

this does not answer if your issue is happening without mods.

[desert forge]

ace, antistasi the mod blastcore compiled and JSRS sound mod

[desert forge]

and they arent online right now so i cant confirm that with the mac user, i kn ow the windows user can, we have been joining eachother using same mods and everything

[wise canyon]

@solar pine maybe add a note about this launcher on the Mac wiki page? Makes using steam workshop a lot easier

[wise canyon]

But you said this also impacted the Windows user above?

[desert forge]

its random

sometimes it does other times it doesnt

[wise canyon]

Provide logs, just server log could be helpful until you can get the rest

[desert forge]

idk how to do that

[solar pine]

is Linux concerned too?

[desert forge]

but it was a new server

[solar pine]

ah, it is already mentioned there

[wise canyon]

Proton can use the official arma 3 launcher, macOS port can’t

Using that third party launcher is a lot better than manually copying mods

[desert forge]

like very new, we both got on, i started up server and then she couldnt join

[solar pine]

added to https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Play_on_Mac, thanks

[wise canyon]

I would add it as first suggestion for the mods section as well

[solar pine]

moved

[wise canyon]

now it's under battleye 😄

[solar pine]

…under BE

[wise canyon]

😆

[solar pine]

gr.

[wise canyon]

may I suggestion two sections under "Steam" section, "Using third party launcher" and "Manually copying mods" or something like that?

hmm, maybe the entire "Mods" section could be overhauled into "Third party launcher" and "Manually" 🤔

[wise canyon]

@solar pine Spearhead 1944 is not enabled for macOS port (yet?), https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Play_on_Mac#DLCs_.26_CDLCs

[solar pine]

@wooden zinc, status report! 😃

[wooden zinc]

Official Mac support for Spearhead 1944 should come with the 2.14 update of the Mac port (so that means some time after 2.14 for Windows). Until then, it should be somewhat playable, but it's considered unsupported (hence it's not yet mentioned on the Steam store page).

[wise canyon]

the SPE CDLC depot is not enabled for macOS so anyone installing on macOS won't have the SPE folder

you could get the compat data from workshop but the instruction to use -mod=spe won't work

[wise canyon]

the macOS applications are named ArmA3 AS Native.app and ArmA3.app

[wooden zinc]

I've probably spent 5% of my entire life force fighting that battle this past decade. Can't win them all 😄

[desert forge]

still doesnt work

[dry halo]

It doesn’t work for me

[celest laurel]

"It doesn't work for me" is not even a valid claim/troubleshoot

[dry halo]

?

[celest laurel]

Literally. Nobody can help if your only info is that

[dry halo]

When i click start it says “filesystem error: directory iterator cannot open directory: no such file or directory”

Nvm now its just saying running but won’t start

[fierce gust]

So I just recently acquired Arma 3 for my mac almost a week ago and I have been running into a persistent issue and that is mods. So I have the steam workshop and I subscribed to a whole bunch of mods thinking that they would show up in game but they just haven't. I have tried to use the Arma 3 unix launcher but to no avail. So can someone help me with my mods I subscribed to on the steam workshop and help them get into the game. I also bought some dlc's and they work perfectly fine but I just need help with the mods. Help appreciated.

[dry halo]

Does the arma 3 unix launcher work for you?

[fierce gust]

i tried using it but it just doesnt work

[dry halo]

Yeah, it just sends me straight to the game when I press start, even when i select the mod

[fierce gust]

i also tried to do the option where you manually enter the mods into the launch options but that also doesnt work

is there any option that really works?

[wise canyon]

Pressing start should go directly into the game, what’s wrong with that?

[upbeat kraken]

CBA only downloads ver. 3.12 on Mac?

I un subscribed and re resub the mod Twice

Stoll getting outdated mod pop up

[wise canyon]

the official CBA workshop item will result in 3.15.8 on Mac. Make sure you don't have leftover files somewhere and that you've grabbed the official release.

[upbeat kraken]

Where can i get official release

[wise canyon]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=450814997

[upbeat kraken]

Ive re subscribed it, still same outcome

[wise canyon]

Then you have leftover files, the download contains 3.15.8

[upbeat kraken]

So i need to delete the file manually from workshop folder first?

[upbeat kraken]

Still dont work

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tdL2yc6yymKVFDopb7WZ7eFMezQbZz_c/view?usp=sharing

[wise canyon]

Likely because you have multiple CBA files, post your rpt log file

[upbeat kraken]

Whats that? and where to find it

[torn basin]

!rpt

[golden crystal]

Arma RPT

Arma generates a .rpt log file each time it's run, which contains a lot of information like the loaded mods, or any errors that appear, this log file can be very useful for troubleshooting problems.

To get to your RPT files press Windows+R and enter %localappdata%/Arma 3

Additionally see the wiki page for more info: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Crash_Files

To share an rpt log here, please use a website like https://sqfbin.com/ to upload the full log, that way the people helping you can take a look at it and try to figure out the problem you're having together with you.
Note: RPT logs can hold personal information relevant to your system, the game or others.

[upbeat kraken]

I mean thats on windows

how about on mac

[torn basin]

find / -name *.rpt 🙂

(I thought that the biki page would have that info, maybe it should be expanded once someone knows the answer)

[upbeat kraken]

Nothing to be found

[torn basin]

In that case, it looks like you need to wait for someone who actually uses a mac to help you 😔

Maybe you could try iname instead of name (case insensitive match) but I doubt this will really help

[upbeat kraken]

aight cool thx lad

[dry halo]

So how do i play the mods?

[dry halo]

I subbed and downloaded them but I cant figure out how to play them

[wise canyon]

Restart the launcher after downloads are done and select in mods list

[dry halo]

I did select the mods and then i clicked start, but nothing works

[stone leaf]

Drag the mods from the workshop folder into the arma 3 folder

[dry halo]

And then what? How do I actually use the mods?

[clever verge]

see the play on mac biki page

[clever verge]

you need to pass -mod=mod1,mod2,etc for every mod comma separated or do it from options-> expansions

you should be able to enable it in game

[stone leaf]

Go to options and then expansions in the main menu and itll be there

[stone leaf]

U dont need to do all that bc it works fine for me and i dont do any of that

[clever verge]

mac doesn't have launcher

and the launcher is what does the workshop links

[stone leaf]

Yeah so instead u just have to drag the mod folder from workshop folder into arma folder

Only takes a couple of seconds

[clever verge]

symlink is better and dragging will move it instead of copying

unless you hold the respective modifier

[dry halo]

On the launcher or actual game?

[clever verge]

game

are you on mac?

because there's no launcher

[dry halo]

Im on mac

[dry halo]

But i also have the special mac launcher thing

[clever verge]

what, arma 3 is an app on mac, plain and simple

i dont know an arma 3 launcher for mac

[wise canyon]

You can use third party launcher with steam workshop integration, its linked on the Mac wiki page

[clever verge]

didnt see any mention of custom launchers on the play on mac biki page

[upbeat kraken]

So i was trying to Play arma 3 antistasi on singleplayer, which require me to create a LAN server

for some reason now arma would just crash after loadinf for a while

any idea why

[wise canyon]

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Play_on_Mac#Mods

[upbeat kraken]

Tried again with another scenario, insurgency Vietnam used to be able to work

But now it crash whenever i host a server

[clever verge]

ok that's new

[wise canyon]

it worked with the previous ports version before 🙂

[clever verge]

that information wasn't there before through

[sly rover]

So using LD_PRELOAD, I have verified that it definitely loads the library

That was confusing. I have used LD_PRELOAD, then verified afterwards that it does load. Still no effect in game though, testing by using callExtension

Sort of stumped.

Either I'm missing something obvious or it does not support it.

[dry halo]

Y’all I have a problem

I’ve been playing around with the mods for like 2 days now, pretty fun, but now the game won’t start. Like i click start, it shows the whole intro thing and then it just automatically closes. Sometimes it goes to the main menu for a few seconds but then the same thing happens. I’ve tried closing everything and then opening it up again but it didn’t do anything. I don’t know if it’s because of the new mods I installed yesterday or not

[gritty sage]

Well you could easily find out if its because of the new mods

[dry halo]

How

[celest laurel]

Unload the Mod

[dry halo]

Still doesn’t work

[celest laurel]

Then it is not the “new Mod”'s fault

[dry halo]

I just disabled all mods and it works now

I guess i’ll just find the mod that makes it crash

[dry halo]

So i finally got the game to start, I loaded up the eden editor and went to my saved scenario. When I tried to put a plane from the mod into the terrain, it crashes the game

[worthy plover]

it's probably a mod issue then, especially if vanilla planes do not make your game crash.

[dry halo]

So is there any way to play those mods?

[worthy plover]

if they are broken then you can tell the mod author and wait for a fix.

[dry halo]

Alr

Thank you

[stone leaf]

is it the f22 from aero effects mod bc that makes my game crash too

[dry halo]

That one too, but i dont really care about that one because i also have other f22s. The ones i do cars about are the FIR F-15, F-16, and harrier

[slow surge]

anyone on mac looking to run a server and do some missions together?

[clever verge]

for now you can do crossplay with windows and linux, right?

[wise canyon]

Mac is slightly behind, hopefully it will be in sync again sometime after next patch 2.14

[clever verge]

i mean, isnt it still compatible?

[slow surge]

For the most part i can play on servers with no mods and no battle eye i was just looking for players in similar situations to play with

[clever verge]

AS native doesn't have be

[clever verge]

you should be able to play with mods that don't make use of extensions
arma3.app is be enabled

[gritty sage]

"xx" callExtension calls the library in @someMod\xx.so or xx.dll . Doesnt matter if its already loaded into the game.. if its not in that path arma wont call it

[sly rover]

Ah, so the path is important. Okay, I'll try some more

Everything I read said that you could test in the root dir. That is why I asked here, but no one said that would be a problem. Thanks!

[gritty shard]

had a quick look where the linux server searches for extension libs ("libfoo" callExtension "") :```
[pid 31684] open("/libfoo.so", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[pid 31684] open("/home/a3/a3dir/mark/libfoo.so", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[pid 31684] open("/home/a3/a3dir/heli/libfoo.so", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[pid 31684] open("/home/a3/a3dir/kart/libfoo.so", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[pid 31684] open("/home/a3/a3dir/curator/libfoo.so", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[pid 31684] open("/libfoo.so", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[pid 31684] open("./libfoo.so", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 237

but I have no idea how it's implemented in the linux client (if at all)

[quasi orchid]

would arma wrk on a mac with

4.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 processor
Memory Radeon Pro 580 8 GB graphics
8 GB 2400 MHz DDR4 Memory

i've gotten many results from dif ppl/searches

[slow surge]

Yeah you should be good to go, lmk if you want to get together in a server i can show you the ropes

[echo flicker]

Hey hi, any thoughts about next patch release date?

[wooden zinc]

We are planning to release update 2.14 to Mac, but it will be a few weeks after that release for Windows (due to the process of porting and also involving an external partner).

[sly rover]

See, the root dir should work then...

I don't think the client implements it at all, but I will try some more things

[quasi orchid]

I recently switched to Manjaro and am trying to set up arma according to this guide: https://ninelore.github.io/project/armaonlinux/
However when I launch the Arma 3 Unix Launcher from the terminal, I get the following error: "arma3-unix-launcher: symbol lookup error: arma3-unix-launcher: undefined symbol: ZN6spdlog7details7log_msgC1ENS_10source_locEN3fmt2v917basic_string_viewIcEENS_5level10level_enumES6"
Anyone know what this means, or what the solution is?

[torn basin]

Sounds like something that you Tex should report to the launcher's developer

[bright oak]

This issue is exclusive to the launcher and Arch distros like Manjaro.

I am suffering from the same issue. The developer Muttley would have to take a look to fix it. It has something to do with updated libraries on Arch no longer working with the launcher.

[torn basin]

Again: reporting the issue to the developer gives you a chance of it being fixed

Even if you're the 24th person to do so

[quasi orchid]

is this something that happens often?

[torn basin]

Judging by your error message, I'd wager it would happen 100% of the times (for you!)

[quasi orchid]

I mean like something that pops up with new updated libraries

[torn basin]

Because either you have access to the library that the program expects, or you don't

[quasi orchid]

I did open a Github issue, hopefully a fix is found

[torn basin]

Is this something that happens during compilation or when you're running the binary? (looks like compilation)

[quasi orchid]

when I try launching the program from terminal

[torn basin]

Try doing ldd <program> and see what's missing

[bright oak]

I fixed it in a PR, it just has to be updated

[upbeat kraken]

I think this is a bug

A few folks also have the same problem

[quasi orchid]

is there a way to change where the game is installed in the Unix Launcher? It fails to start the game because it's trying to launch from /run/media/user/2TB SSD/SteamLibrary/steamapps when I have it installed at /run/media/user/2TB SSD/Steam/steamapps/common/Arma 3

[worthy grail]

check where the arma prefix is located. Maybe its trying to launch from same library where prefix is located but this is not always true

or you can replace it in ~/.config/a3unixlauncher/launcher.conf

[quasi orchid]

config is set to use the right folder, but it's still trying to launch from the wrong one 🤔
https://imgur.com/a/amXPQUR

[worthy grail]

in that case I would check location of the prefix. For arma it is 107410, check if this exist /run/media/user/2TB SSD/SteamLibrary/steamapps/compatdata/107410/ and move it to /run/media/user/2TB SSD/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/

[quasi orchid]

I don't have any Steam related folders outside "Steam" on the 2tb
https://imgur.com/1NlmjQm

[worthy grail]

It fails to start the game because it's trying to launch from /run/media/user/2TB SSD/SteamLibrary/steamapps
Is there some error or how did you find out Unix launcher is trying to launch Arma from that location?

[quasi orchid]

running the launcher from terminal

it shows the error in terminal when I hit start

https://imgur.com/GiEkP6o

[worthy grail]

Interesting, I would try to file bug on Github. Have you also tried launch it with verbose flag -v ? Maybe it will provide more info what went wrong.

other option is delete launcher.conf to let it regenerate new config file

[quasi orchid]

tried this, gave more but didn't seem add to the current error
https://pastebin.com/4a8Sk7xb

did mention being unable to find Proton though, which may be an issue later

[quasi orchid]

this didn't change anything, new one still pointed to the correct path and launcher still used the wrong one

renamed my Steam folder to SteamLibrary and set it as library folder in Steam, it is trying to run now but gets different errors I don't understand at all
without -v: https://pastebin.com/UHjstz9n
with -v: https://pastebin.com/6GkVt5eS

[worthy grail]

now it looks like at actually launched the game

is Arma working when you launch it from steam?

[quasi orchid]

Yeah

[crystal scaffold]

On the mac it seems that script files are somehow cached. When I change Init.sqf of a mission, nothing happens until I restart arma

[quasi orchid]

Hello; I would like to report a crash on the macOS version of Arma, most likely due to an error on a shader, or so the log says. Where can I report it?

[celest laurel]

This or #arma3_feedback_tracker , note try not to post in both

Also it's weekend, they would need some time to start investigate

[quasi orchid]

Sure; thanks. Should I tag someone specific?

[celest laurel]

Probably no need to

[clever verge]

just post it and someone will check it out

[quasi orchid]

I created 3 reports in the tracker, for various stuff (also questions I asked in the past but I'd love to get through to the devs), because there is no option to upload files in this channel:
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T174955
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T174957
https://feedback.bistudio.com/T174956

[manic loom]

^ isn't there a switch for that? -allowedFilePatching or something similar?

[surreal sinew]

afaik, file patching is not concerned with mission editing, but with addon/mod editing

@crystal scaffold : strange. afair you need to re-open the scenario for description.ext changes, init.sqf should be read each time you start the scenario

oh wait @crystal scaffold … are you working with the in-game editor?

or are you starting scenarios outside of preview mode, as normal mp/sp scenarios? those are cached afaik

[crystal scaffold]

@surreal sinew yes, was in the in-game editor, as on windows , then hit preview, changed a few lines in the Init.sqf, restarted the scenario preview and was stuck with the original Init.sqf

[surreal sinew]

strange

[crystal scaffold]

I mean on windows it works to refresh the scripts on the fly, with exception of description.ext as you wrote, but here on the Mac version I need to shutdown arma and come back to see my changes it seems

[surreal sinew]

really sure you got the same file? i've all too often mixed up the different places where files go

ah.

[crystal scaffold]

positive I got the same file

[surreal sinew]

sry. wasnt realizing i'm in #linux_mac_branch somehow. my bad.

[crystal scaffold]

ah, you're not on a mac? So can't reproduce?

[surreal sinew]

all i know is on windows it works as it should.

[crystal scaffold]

yeah, works on my windows system as well, just not on the mac :(

nice, strings on the arma3 executable reveals a private path: /Users/<USERNAME>/Work/GIT/eon2/src/core/osx/runLoop.mm

this one is also nice: Requested Windows System32 path, investigate why!

[worthy grail]

Arma 3 multiplayer doesn't work on Linux after new update. After joining server it will not show menu and only option is to press esc which will disconnect you. I saw somebody already making report https://feedback.bistudio.com/T175242

[quasi orchid]

same here

[worthy grail]

for reference, it looks like this https://i.imgur.com/lDdZ7aa.jpg

[quasi orchid]

yep; exactly same here

[gritty sage]

Can you send a RPT of that?

Could be steam libraries, but you should have the new ones

what server are you joining?

[quasi orchid]

i just did a clean re-install from steam; just tried to join one of the official ones; same problem on all servers

[quasi orchid]

are you dev? i can dm you an rpt but i dont' see anything relevant in there, game isn't crashing

[gritty sage]

Yes. But I don't have a proton setup and cannot debug anything there

maybe also server log would help, if you host your own server

I think that is the phase where it does handshake with steam. Server or client connection logs may note something about that

[worthy grail]

https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/27cfc654693b

I am connecting official server

� [ OFFICIAL ] Arma 3 KOTH stress-test (EU) #00x

[gritty sage]

I can't access official server logs

Mh yeah nothing at all. I don't know if client would log something about whether steam was initialized correctly. Server does log it

[worthy grail]

i can still see chat windows xyz connected to server

when someone else connect to server

[gritty sage]

Yeah but the server might be waiting for steam authorization and not let you pass through further

You are like, half connected. So you see chat messages. But the server doesn't let you pass through

I don't know how to fix that

[quasi orchid]

it worked before the update, was that code changed? i don't remember seeing anything about networking in the changelog

[gritty sage]

We updated the steam libraries.
steam_api.dll and steamclient.dll

[quasi orchid]

i don't know much about the versioning behind those. can you download older versions somewhere to plug in and out?

can rip them from other games no doubt

[gritty sage]

Oh also we updated the Arma Launcher. That might run better/less laggy now?

I'll grab the old files for you, a few minutes

[quasi orchid]

arma launcher works great

i take it these dll's originally come from here?
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/sdk/

[gritty sage]

I don't know if all of them are in there, but yes

I think steamclient.dll is pulled from steam client itself

Here are the previous files

[quasi orchid]

thanks i'll plug those in real quick

[gritty sage]

We have a issue on linux servers (but that's different from this, and the reasons are known and don't apply to windows branch) where the steam_api.dll and steamclient.dll missmatch and break.

But in proton you'll have the windows files and tons of players are playing with these without issues

[quasi orchid]

same problem after replacing all the original dll's 😦

could try to get this going in proton GE or w/e and see what wine is complaining about but those error messages are a mess

single player works perfectly fine, it's just joining a server it's failing at

[gritty sage]

There is also some steam debug logging mode

but don't know how to activate that

Something about launching your steam client with console, and then running a command inside your steam client

You are not alone with it though https://steamcommunity.com/app/107410/discussions/0/3817418437352210149/

@waxen spear you are not on linux right?

ah

[worthy grail]

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/sdk/api/debugging trying -debug_steamapi flag

[gritty sage]

Noone in that steam thread thought its worth mentioning they are on linux

[barren skiff]

Probably not Arch users then.

[worthy grail]

Nothing show up on when connecting to server but after clicking esc and disconnecting I get this:

[S_API WARN] No game server found with IP 1438553140 or port 2102, skipping removing any server. [S_API WARN] CancelAuthTicket called on invalid ticket

full log after launching game https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/3f94bca4368f

[quasi orchid]

lol

wonder if it matters if you try to direct connect to an ip address instead of using server browser
edit: no

[gritty sage]

I'm pretty sure there should be stuff showing up while connecting

"CancelAuthTicket called on invalid ticket" also that shouldn't be invalid

I'd expect it to log the game requesting the auth ticket.

Game connection is clearly working if it can see the cancel

[worthy grail]

ok found the way how to do it but filtering on linux works per PID and arma create multiple PID. I am not sure which one will be responsible for connecting to server and without filtering log have 122k lines

[worthy grail]

https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/f3c33d7834e4 I manually filtered lots duplicate/not interesting lines about achievements etc...

[worthy grail]

after recent update I was able to connect to the server

https://dev.arma3.com/post/spotrep-00112

[gritty sage]

Turns out, the servers you were trying to connect to were broken 😄

[worthy grail]

I used official server for testing

if server have Required version 2.14.* (in launcher) or 2.14 (in game) it works

but if required version is 2.14.xyzx it will fails with wrong PBO

and I saw people online on this broken server

[waxen spear]

I use Linux exclusively. Solus OS is my daily driver.
I play Arma via Proton Experimental and have experienced no issues until this recent update.
My OS is fully up to date.

[acoustic depot]

inshallah!

[acoustic depot]

I'm interested to check this out 👀

[shut terrace]

Funnily enough I was also able to connect to a random Italian server, but every other server fails either with pbo error or with the original issue (stuck at a background).

[worthy grail]

servers need to be updated to fix that

[shut terrace]

Well, according to this #arma3_official_servers message dev post all the official servers run with the hotfix now. However, I still cannot join them. I am still stuck on the background screen.

Am I the only unlucky one, or is the problem still there?

If I connect from the Launcher I can even see the starting log messages (GUID, my_name connected, someone was killed etc.) but I never load in.

As I mentioned before, there was 1 random Italian server I could join (and still can).

The main difference between this server and all the others I tried was that it doesn't require BattleEye!
Not sure if this is the source of the problems or a coincidence.

[worthy grail]

yep official still doesn't work for me server version is 2.14.150779 while my game is 2.14.150957

https://i.imgur.com/nxOD2Sg.png

https://i.imgur.com/VaG8hfr.png

[tawdry trellis]

it's "required" version, not "running" version

[shut terrace]

I could connect to any server (5/5) which did not require BattleEye. I couldn't connect to any server which did require BattleEye (0/10+). So the issue might be with that.

[barren skiff]

Might have to disable battleeye on my server to play then, that kinda sucks (To be fair the server is password protected anyways, so hardly the worst thing ever)

[worthy grail]

huh, I connected to 3 different server today, what a chance that all had BE disabled... I will test it tommorow

[barren skiff]

Same error with the server running battleeye, turning it off and tada... it works

(Litterally just changed battleeye=1 to battleeye=0)

[trim ridge]

Yea, unfortunately this has been happening for a while on the performance/profiling branches, but looks like it didn't get fixed, and just went to live

iirc, around the time it was happening, some optimization was being done around... sigchecks? I put some messages I'm sure you can find in the #perf_prof_branch back when it started if you wanted to look and see a few other symptoms.

There's one indicative error in the rpt you'll see that's indicative of this issue:

6:20:53 Error 5 reading file ''

I have my sneaking suspicions that it's a case-sensitive FS issue, but that's only based off of an anecdotal tidbit from when BattlEye broke for Proton before. I'm working right now on some debugging tools that should let me at least dump out syscalls to see where it might be going wrong

But, hopefully we can get someone to take a look at it at some point, since it's way harder from the outside 🙂

[trim ridge]

Unfortunately, whatever was done a month or so ago on performance/profiling did it, but I wasn't really able to drum up much traction for helping figure it out, so I'm left trying to intercept systemc calls and fix it myself, which is unlikely without massive time investment. I do still have the original time frame, which should help whoever takes the time to help us narrow it down quickly, but we just have to hope for now 😦

[gritty sage]

I don't understand what's going on.

Do you still have this: #linux_mac_branch message
But only on BattlEye servers?

But I was told #linux_mac_branch message that the issue was fixed? So what is going on now?

How was it working on official server, when its now not working on official server?

[worthy grail]

after yesterday hotfix update I saw official servers were not updated yet so I tested it with 3 different servers and it was working after that, but it looks like i was just lucky in picking working server

[gritty sage]

Can you check your RPT for Error 5 reading file '' ?

[worthy grail]

no

https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/2d72df6ff545

[gritty sage]

Do you have time for some testing? I don't have a proton setup.

I can revert/disable some things and send you a new exe

[worthy grail]

11:27:22 Arma 3 | A3 | true | true | NOT FOUND (Empty) | should it be like that?

[gritty sage]

yes

[worthy grail]

yes I can test different versions

[gritty sage]

Okey probably gonna be 20 minutes. Need to figure out how to do that with BattlEye on

[trim ridge]

I'm also available

[gritty sage]

@worthy grail @trim ridge 🏓

Ugh I cannot upload file because my nitro ran out 😄

Either that gz file or this URL https://s.arma3.io/Arma3Retail_DX11_x64.exe

This is latest #perf_prof_branch client. You can rename it to arma3_x64.exe if you need.
This has some additional RPT prints, and I assume that should work with BE servers. Hopefully the RPT prints tell me why.

[worthy grail]

do I need to switch to profiling branch to apply this?

[gritty sage]

no

[trim ridge]

I get slightly farther with that, and the UI elements that used to be all stacked up like the screenshots above in the channel are back in their rightful locations, but it gets stuck in a loop spamming

4:10:44 CB C 0

in the rpt log still before role-selection screen.

I'll upload the full rpt for you now though.

[gritty sage]

Can you check all "CB" lines? There should be one earlier

There is CB, CB C and CB X.
What is the first CB one

[trim ridge]

4:09:45 CB 0

[gritty sage]

BattlEye lied to me 😠

I asked them if its ever null, they said no 😄
Well that looks like a null to me

I'll have to coordinate a bit with them, this will work for now we'll do a profiling branch update with the fix on probably monday

And I assume joining BE servers indeed works for you now right?

[trim ridge]

No. Screen freezes fully as it spams the CB C 0 line over and over again.

but it gets stuck in a loop spamming in the rpt log still before role-selection screen.

[gritty sage]

Oh 🤔 Missed that part
But.. Sus.

[trim ridge]

It was definitely different behavior, though 🤣

[gritty sage]

Maybe its just stuck because its busy spamming RPT and being very slow

[worthy grail]

https://i.imgur.com/aBYwNZp.png

it works for me

its not official server but it works

[trim ridge]

huh, let me leave mine running for a little longer and see if it eventually clears

[trim ridge]

Yep, this time I got to the role selection, but it loops printing to the rpt (no frames rendered for >40sec) after hitting "OK"

it responds to SIGQUIT though so it's not completely hung

[gritty sage]

I'm waiting for reply from BattlEye. Depending on that I might send a build without the RPT logging.

[worthy grail]

I am also connecting on servers without mods

[trim ridge]

I still had my personal menu tools on earlier, but going completely sans mods made no difference. I still froze partway through the loading screen after hitting "OK"

were you able to make it all the way in to the game?

I'll try another server for good measure

Same issue on other servers as well

[gritty sage]

It will really spam a F' ton. I assume enough to overwhelm the RPT logging and freeze you.
Just don't waste more time on it, I'm sure its fine 🤞

[worthy grail]

launched game again and I am having 1FPS after fully joining server

2.3M lines in 5min file is 37mb

[gritty sage]

Stuck on empty screen? Just water in background? cannot load into server? Replace your arma3_x64.exe with this one. Also this fix will be on #perf_prof_branch next week.

Same without RPT spam, but its not a proper fix yet

⚠️ You do not need the file below anymore. The fix has landed on #perf_prof_branch. Switch your game to the profiling beta branch.

https://s.arma3.io/Arma3Retail_DX11_x64.exe

[trim ridge]

This one "works", I obviously don't know what's missing from it, but I am able to join/play on BE servers with that

Thank you so much for taking the time to help us out, despite being a very small minority of players.
hmu if I can do anything further now, or in the future

[gritty sage]

Okey I now have a better fix until BattlEye fixes on their end.
I don't want to publish a profiling branch version for just that though, so we'll let this temp fix be until we publish profiling next monday or tuesday
also that read error thing will also be gone then

[gloomy flower]

So 2.14 broke the game for linux players. Anybody else reporting this issue?

[exotic marlin]

#linux_mac_branch message

[gloomy flower]

that is not my issue

2.14.150962, doesn't fix the issue

[tawdry trellis]

which issue?

[gloomy flower]

https://youtu.be/joQCJfs0DWI

[tawdry trellis]

"This video is private"

[gloomy flower]

oh one moment

try now

[tawdry trellis]

still the same

[gloomy flower]

what

Ouh I had to push save.. I thought I pushed it

Now it should work

[tawdry trellis]

opens now

[gloomy flower]

If you know what to do, you can actually join the game. but xD

and the white, I thought it was night vision but it's the map

the view change is first person and thurd person swap

[soft venture]

@gloomy flower This should fix work around that issue, Dedmen's comment about RPT spam was related to the exe he shared before.

[gloomy flower]

Well

2.14.150717

Works

but cannot join a 2.14.150779 or 2.14.150957

Thx for the help :)

[gritty sage]

Yeah it is exactly your issue

[gloomy flower]

So it was, my bad. I don't really do reading, especially here following the chat is .. hard...

Anyways, there is another issue, of Aiming on vehicles. that plagues Linux, now that I got your attention. It's off by a significant amount.

Well it plagues Proton run Arma3, the original .. the guys who made the "port" it worked on it perfectly. Those Linux versions that where updated a month before the new update. Back in the day.

[soft venture]

How is aiming off? Is there some weird input difference?

[gloomy flower]

with a tigris, if you shoot at the radical you won't hit... You have to shoot 2cm backwards and 1cm up to hit the plane

[waxen spear]

How are you able to hop between versions? Are you using the beta tab in /Properties?
I see your other post about 2.14.150962 also. How'd you get that?
My game is fully updated according to Steam
For the time being I'm on 2.14.150957 (via Proton Experimental)

[stone leaf]

im on 2.12.150301 and idk how to update it

im also playing on mac so idk if that has something to do with it

[worthy grail]

Mac has it's own update cycle and it wasn't updated to 2.14 yet

[gritty sage]

Mac will wait a couple weeks

[dusty burrow]

Is there somewhere I can find information on when to expect an update on mac? or is it completely random? The fact that I can't play on servers now makes me incredibly sad

[wooden zinc]

There's no confirmed timeline, because it involves an external party as well. Generally the process after a Windows update goes: await hotfix grace period, probably until next week > commission the port from the partner > do specific Mac QA > release.
See https://dev.arma3.com/ports for all limitations of the experimental Mac ports.

[quasi orchid]

Yeah, i am also having an issue after the new update where if i try to join either with mods or official vanilla server it would just get stuck on a loading screen. Hopefully BI release an official fix soon

[gritty sage]

loading screen or empty screen? on linux proton?

[quasi orchid]

Either i get the molon labe shield and spear screen or just a blue one that seems im under the water. I'm on linux using proton experimental. Never had an issue with Arma before until this update

[gritty sage]

See that ^

[quasi orchid]

I see it! Thanks will try that when i get home. But hopefully they actually release an actual fix. Thanks for this though

[gritty sage]

We will release a better temp fix on #perf_prof_branch
And some time in the future it will also be fixed on main branch but have no ETA

[dusky granite]

hello

i was able to run vanilla arma 3 on steam deck with proton experimental

but i can't seem to get the workshop mods to work

normal launcher can't initialize them and unix launcher just doesn't load them

arma is installed on an sd card

[worthy grail]

I had same issue, I figured some workaround, let me find it

The issue is because proton have issue with symlink on external drive(sdcard)

[dusky granite]

yeah that was my guess but i don't know if i will be able to install everything on internal drive

[worthy grail]

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/306297/how-to-stop-wine-from-assigning-drive-letters-to-mounted-devices-automatically

Go to arma prefix/dosdevices and removo links to your SD card while keeping c: and z: drive

And after that run CMD from that link inside dosdevice folder

And after that you need to reset launcher settings or change mod folder location in launcher settings

When I will be on PC I could probably write better guide

[dusky granite]

don't quite understand what im supposed to do in this part

which link

[worthy grail]

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/306297/how-to-stop-wine-from-assigning-drive-letters-to-mounted-devices-automatically

[dusky granite]

aight

[worthy grail]

From the last answer

[gloomy flower]

https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-214-profiling-performance-binary-feedback/?page=104

and i asume 2.14.150717 was the Dedmen Arma3Retail_DX11_x64.exe.gz he released in here.

and ... what ever the issue is ... they "Bohemia" should fix it on the proton side.

[wise canyon]

Proton is not a Bohemia project, any fixing on Proton side needs to be accepted by Valve, Wine and/or dxvk

[worthy grail]

well there could be workaround on bohemia side on launcher when it detect proton/wine enviroment it should always use Z:\ drive path (which is absolute path) on linux when symlinking mods. But i think it should be fixed on proton/wine unless there are some limitation.

there are also some wine sandboxing variable that could potentially prevent it from symlinking drives

[quasi orchid]

So this is the first time I've had issue with any arma update. I'm still fairly new to the community but will a patch be released to get this fix? Or do we have to find a workaround ourselves for this fubar update?

[shut terrace]

You don’t have to look further than the first pinned message 😅

[quasi orchid]

Oh I know and i'll be sure to apply that hotfix when i get home later

But shouldn't the dev release a proper fix on this?

Idk again im new here lol

[gritty sage]

The problem is on BattlEye's side.
We will publish that temporary workaround hotfix on #perf_prof_branch
Until BattlEye libraries get updated and also fix it on main branch

So main branch will be broken for a while. Atleast for now there is not a plan to push a hotfix to main branch. Especially because we would have to revert it once BattlEye fixes their stuff

[quasi orchid]

Oh okay thanks for explaining it hopefully they can push a fix on the main branch soon. But really appreciate figuring out the hotfix for the time being

[dusky granite]

thanks for the help but couldn't get it to work

proton decides that it will crash steam and then create the link anyway

[earnest trench]

Linux member when joining server sees a dark terrain with land on the bottom from high up, sees no menus. I'd send image but can't. Is the most recent pinned a fix for that kinda thing?

[gritty sage]

Jup exactly what I told you in #server_linux, fix is pinned

[earnest trench]

Thank you

[worthy grail]

can you post your ls -la from dosdevice folder?

[dusky granite]

i'm currently transferring all the files to internal disk

[exotic marlin]

thanks for the fix, haven't had issues with the pinned exe

[dusky granite]

looks like it's working

probably see you in some time when i inevitably run out of disk space

[quasi orchid]

can't join in the server warlords (US)#01e, it says i have wrong version.

[gloomy flower]

You can push fixes to staging wine from there it will drop to proton ge -> proton -> eventually to wine

[quasi orchid]

Tried the hotfix with my machine and changed my arma3_x64.exe with the one pinned but my end is still not working. Thanks for the help though. Just gonna play csgo for now lol
Edit: I managed to get it working. Thanks for the fix

[stone leaf]

U can play that on mac?

[gritty sage]

It is workaround-fixed, the fix is pinned

[quasi orchid]

@gritty sage i can't join to my favoire server(2.14.150779), the fix(2.14.150717) only works with servers 2.14.146373 https://imgur.com/a/oFGum5s

[gritty sage]

yeah, if server set a required minimum build it won't work because my build number is faked.
#perf_prof_branch will get a proper one on tuesday

[quasi orchid]

ok thanks

[quasi orchid]

it works! thanks

[brisk anvil]

Some servers dont like it but at least the one I main does thanks for this!

[quasi orchid]

on linux mint 21 just bought the game first couple launches worked fine and I was able to load in (proton experimental)

now if I launch it crashes once it launches

on proton experimental and the latest version of proton

[waxen spear]

what crashes? the launcher or the game?
try adding this -skipIntro -noSplash -enableHT -noLogs -world=empty to steam launch settings.
In the launcher, if its not whats crashing, go to Launcher Options (top right) -> Disable Launcher Acceleration = yes and "Close Launcher after starting game"

[quasi orchid]

the game I have intro splash and launcher off

[gloomy flower]

-nolauncher -skipIntro -noSplash -window -name=Name -exThreads=7 -malloc=system -hugePages -maxmem=32256 -noLogs -world=empty -noPause -noPauseAudio -mod= -beservicer

[gritty sage]

Crash usually means you get a crashdump.
You should also get a crash .mdmp in proton

[tardy parcel]

Today Tuesday or next week Tuesday?

[gritty sage]

Tomorrow tuesday 🤣

[short tulip]

Tomorrow is Wednesday.

[gritty sage]

That's just the name for a delayed tuesday

Due to the 10th anniversary celebrations today we couldn't get a build out, but its ready

[gloomy flower]

The fuck, you didn't bother to invite Sa-Matra to the party!..

[quasi orchid]

weird I turned those on and it just goes not responding instead of instantly crashing if you consider that better

I figured out how to get proton logs though

it just randomly decided to work

[twin rover]

Yo so the arma 3 launcher isnt showing up Its just taking me to the main game.

Btw im on mac

[solar pine]

no launcher on Mac, afaik
but a community alternative: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Play_on_Mac#Mods

[quasi orchid]

wheres the arma profile located on linux? seems to not be documents

[barren skiff]

On mine its placed in A3master, mind you this could very well be a amp thing

[worthy grail]

<Steam-folder>/steamapps/compatdata/107410/pfx/ and after that follow windows location

[barren skiff]

Oh client not server

[worthy grail]

are you using outdated linux native version of Arma or running windows version via proton

[gritty sage]

the outdated native version shouldn't be available anymore afaik

[quasi orchid]

So the temp .exe is no longer working? How would i change it to the new one? I am using the steam branch version of arma but has replaced the arma_x64.exe with the temp one. How do i get the new one? Sorry fairly new with the whole arma thing

by updating?

I just did a fresh install of arma last night and i tried running it not too long ago. But I'm stuck in what seems to be an underwater screen. It was fine the last few days with the temp fix that was pinned here.

[wise canyon]

legacyports branch is still there

[wooden zinc]

That is the Windows 2.12 build, so someone could downgrade their Windows game to play with someone on Mac.

[wise canyon]

ah, yeah, there's no linux bin depot anymore

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Steam_Branches needs to be updated then 😄

[gritty sage]

You can switch to #perf_prof_branch
Should be able to just go into the steam properties for your Arma and select the profiling beta branch

[bright oak]

after putting in the perf password, of course

wait, is the perf password not needed anymore to use perf branch? I can't find any mention of it anymore

[soft venture]

Indeed, the password was removed some time ago

[bright oak]

time flies

[soft venture]

A couple days more and it will be exactly one year ago

[bright oak]

perfect time for the perf branch public reveal anniversary

[quasi orchid]

Works great!! Thanks

[sly rover]

I don't get anything from my test extension even when it is in a folder and loaded as a mod.

So... I don't think the Linux/Mac ports support extensions right now

[gritty sage]

dont know why bohemia would do that... Linux server supports extensions... why Shouldnt client?

[sly rover]

It isn't BI doing this port

It is VP. And VP uses their own, in house wrapper-thing called eON.

[austere fable]

Hi all. Will 2.14 eventually be available for Mac? Would love to play online with other players.

[gritty sage]

Yes

[austere fable]

Sweet!

[dusty burrow]

the main question is when will it be🥲

[unreal cedar]

Ok guys, as I was leaded towards this channel with my problem, I will repeat a request here

I have a problem with joining any multi-player game in arma. Screenshot that should be here is currently in #screenshots_arma (because I can't attach media here) .
I am playing on thinkpad t470, on Linux Debian

Instead of seeing a normal slot selection menu I see this two arrows. I am playing on steam version, with proton 7.0

[gritty sage]

See pinned messages.
Switch to profiling branch it has it fixed

[unreal cedar]

Ok, mb I'm just blind

I will check again

Yes, I'm blind. Thank you

[austere fable]

Just did a search in this discord and it looks like someone said it should be out a few weeks after the release of the PC version. So maybe really soon?

[gritty sage]

I hope its soon.
Unforseen problems often appear so there can be no guarantee

[high cairn]

anyone who had problems with vehicle settings?

mine are blank

seems like i cant set them to anything

[gritty sage]

That might be my fault, if you are running profiling branch

Ah you are on mac (Very important to say that)
That won't be my fault then

Ref image https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/105784487148802048/1151628643282460692/Schermafbeelding_2023-09-13_om_22.47.41.png

[high cairn]

exactly the same as mine

just blank

[gritty sage]

That is your screenshot

posting it here so that others can see what you're talking about

[high cairn]

ohw

i didnt say anything lol

[high cairn]

forget that

[high cairn]

thanks!

[waxen spear]

I'm on the Profiling branch (Proton Experimental) and I can join servers now but almost anything is liable to cause the game to hard-crash to desktop.
Solus OS 4.4, Kernel 5.15.131-215 LTS

[trim ridge]

On the performance branch right now myself (214_v01), and with Proton 8.0-3 (other versions don't seem to really make any difference atm), I'm all good to go - rock solid stability. Personally, I'd need more information to figure out what's up on your end (logs, more setup information, etc.)

[waxen spear]

Arma 3: 2.14.151005
SOG PF: 1.3.r1572

OS: Solus Linux (fully up to date as of 9/13/2023)
Proton: Proton Experimental
CPU: Intel i7-8700K
GPU: NVidia GTX 1070 Ti
RAM: ~34gb
Swap: ~26gb

This happens consistently when using "N" to open the SOG PF build menu (or accidentally instead of opening the "M" map). This was entered in chat as the game was crashing:
"Starting info panel handler loop"

I've also had it crash while Alt+Tab and clicking into a second monitor. Currently my display is set to fullscreen-windowed so the cursor doesn't accidentally drift into the other monitor.

Is there a place I can upload the .rpt logs? Discord isn't letting me in this server.

Here are the last lines of the logs, the rest seemed normal:

`Mods: A3;curator;kart;heli;mark;expansion;jets;argo;orange;tacops;tank;enoch;aow;VN;@Enhanced Movement
Version 2.14.151005
Fault time: 2023/09/13 22:44:14
Fault address: 406C410A 01:006C310All Z:\media\NVME_EXT4_2TB\SymLinks\common\Arma 3\Arma3_x64.exe
file: vn_mf_v01_00_03_ao_plus_gia (__CUR_MP)
world: cam_lao_nam
Prev. code bytes: 46 10 EB 07 48 8B 05 53 43 03 02 48 85 C0 74 04
Fault code bytes: F0 FF 40 08 48 89 43 18 48 8B 05 0F C3 FF 01 48

note: Minidump has been generated into the file C:\users\steamuser\AppData\Local\Arma 3\Arma3_x64_2023-09-13_22-42-37.mdmp`

[waxen spear]

I've also noticed the "U" menu for joining a group does not work (does not crash game though)

[gritty sage]

Minidump has been generated into the file C:\users\steamuser\AppData\Local\Arma 3\Arma3_x64_2023-09-13_22-42-37.mdmp
I need that

[waxen spear]

^ sent a dm to provide files

[gritty sage]

Was fixed with profiling branch v2 just released

[crystal scaffold]

@HERO strange, I can load a mod on the mac, but then get an error when actually using the p3d of the mod. But CBA icon loaded nicely, albeit I doubt it's usable as I'm sure they use script commands beyond 1.42

nevermind, no idea about extensions

[astral nebula]

Is there any development for the Mac version?

[wise canyon]

#linux_mac_branch message

[astral nebula]

It doesn't look like it will be released before 1 month.

[gloomy flower]

V3 is not very stable.

[soft venture]

Define "not very stable". And is it worse than V2 or V1?

[acoustic depot]

What's v3 🥴

[soft venture]

#perf_prof_branch

[gloomy flower]

[118416.372673] Isolated Web Co[71347]: segfault at ca220de85c0 ip 00007fc45179e14e sp 00007fffbb8650d0 error 4 in libxul.so[7fc44e29b000+8024000] likely on CPU 12 (core 4, socket 0)
[118416.372683] Code: 48 8b 84 24 30 02 00 00 48 3b 84 24 38 02 00 00 0f 84 10 0a 00 00 48 8b 8c 24 28 02 00 00 4c 89 2c c1 48 ff 84 24 30 02 00 00 <48> 8b 45 00 48 8b 40 08 48 3b 87 b0 00 00 00 0f 85 83 0a 00 00 48
[124210.217307] loop2: detected capacity change from 0 to 214080
[132932.590221] perf: interrupt took too long (2515 > 2500), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 79500
[134126.630061] perf: interrupt took too long (3149 > 3143), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 63500
[183013.552382] loop31: detected capacity change from 0 to 831128

[188546.736512] Isolated Web Co[203333]: segfault at 5fdb183749c0 ip 00007fdb130ecfa8 sp 00007ffd452ffcf0 error 4 in libxul.so[7fdb1000c000+8024000] likely on CPU 11 (core 3, socket 0)
[188546.736523] Code: 8d 98 08 08 00 00 4c 8d 15 d5 f0 04 00 4c 8d 1d 0e 00 05 00 4c 8b 0d 87 86 41 05 4d 89 ec 0f 1f 40 00 4d 8b 74 24 08 49 8b 06 <48> 8b 48 30 4c 39 d1 0f 85 01 02 00 00 41 0f b6 6e 12 41 80 7e 16
[188629.858106] ntfs3: Max link count 4000
[188629.858109] ntfs3: Enabled Linux POSIX ACLs support
[188629.858109] ntfs3: Read-only LZX/Xpress compression included

where where the dumps for linux?

It generated a 7GB dump

[dusty rivet]

Do any of you know how to get Arma mods from the workshop to work the game if you on a mac

[onyx marsh]

Download Arma 3 Unix Launcher

https://github.com/muttleyxd/arma3-unix-launcher/releases/tag/commit-383

[teal depot]

Hello guys, I use arch btw

Never played ARMA. Bought it on sales yesterday.

How do I run Arma III on Linux?
Do I need Proton?
Which Proton to use? Experimental?
Do I need to play on profiling beta?
Do I need arma3-unix-launcher?

After ~hour of tinkering I finally was able to see the Arma Launcher. When I hit play, a black screen appears and... nothing.

Sorry if I chose the wrong channel.

[short tulip]

No, this is the right channel.

[shrewd granite]

Maybe this is a start:
https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3:_Play_on_Linux

[acoustic depot]

afaik it should just work out of the box, are your gpu drivers all ok?

[teal depot]

yes

[teal depot]

I have nvidia card
and I use a proprietary nvidia drivers, version 535

[teal depot]

Tried arma3-unix-launcher
Tried setting 32 bit in the official launcher
Tried staring at that black screen (maybe it's loading, I don't know)
Installed vulkan-tools package

Tried different launch options from protondb and other websites:
https://www.ninelore.org/project/armaonlinux/
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Bohemia_Interactive_ARMA_3
https://steamcommunity.com/app/107410/discussions/0/4939856028576372338/

Nothing works.

[bright oak]

What happens when you try to launch it?

[teal depot]

Depends on what settings I'm using.

The best I can get is a launcher with this setup:

Proton Experimental
profiling beta
no launch options

I press play, agree with BattlEye, ARMA III logo appears and loads for a while, then black screen.

[bright oak]

Odd, seems like it almost works for you.

Does the black screen ever go away?

[teal depot]

No

[torn basin]

Check if there's something related in the rpt logs

!rpt

[golden crystal]

Arma RPT

Arma generates a .rpt log file each time it's run, which contains a lot of information like the loaded mods, or any errors that appear, this log file can be very useful for troubleshooting problems.

To get to your RPT files press Windows+R and enter %localappdata%/Arma 3

Additionally see the wiki page for more info: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Crash_Files

To share an rpt log here, please use a website like https://sqfbin.com/ to upload the full log, that way the people helping you can take a look at it and try to figure out the problem you're having together with you.
Note: RPT logs can hold personal information relevant to your system, the game or others.

[bright oak]

(For linux, you'd find them under compatdata)

[torn basin]

The link above says:

/home/X/.local/share/Arma 3/

[teal depot]

Again, depends on the setup, but with this one I switch to Steam and click Stop.

In some others I have to kill the Arma process, then close Steam, then wait a few minutes, and only then everything closes.

[bright oak]

That's for the server exec and the old linux port. The Proton version saves RPT to the Proton/Wine prefix of the game under compatdata.

Try these launch options:
%command% -noSplash -skipIntro -world=empty
See if these let you at least see the main menu

[teal depot]

okay I got the launcher

[torn basin]

Heh, maybe it would be worth adding that to the Biki, now that Proton Arma versions are First-class citizens? 🤔
cc: @solar pine?
(no, I don't have an account myself 😛 )

[solar pine]

I'll make you one 😎

[teal depot]

I need to accept BattlEye next, right?

[bright oak]

It's optional to accept it but you can.

[torn basin]

Cool, I have nothing against you adding that entry using my account 😎

[solar pine]

so… what should I do 😄

[bright oak]

I can write it in, No worries Lou.

I should still have my account

[solar pine]

oh noice
thanks, cuz I'm not too Linux-educated

[torn basin]

I'm not using Arma on linux either, I'm just loud-mouthed 😛

[teal depot]

same black screen

[torn basin]

(I'll have you know that I'm not using Arch! ☝️😁 )

@teal depot is there anything of interest in the rpt logs?

Because maybe it's sitting there, in plain sight and will save you a lot of troubleshooting time

[teal depot]

i'm not sure where to find them.

god dammit, are images disabled on this server or what? i can't paste images, i can't drag&drop images, i can't send images from "+" button on the left

/mnt/disk/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/Arma 3

this dir? I have Arma installed on external drive

[torn basin]

Where is that exactly? Ryan is asking

[teal depot]

registration.log

this file?

/mnt/disk/SteamLibrary/steamapps/compatdata/107410/pfx/drive_c/ProgramData/Bohemia Interacti ve/Arma3

[teal depot]

oh it's empty

[torn basin]

The file should end with .rpt

[teal depot]

I found it

do I post it here?

[torn basin]

Best would be to read the last ~50-100 lines and see if there is something that looks like an error there

I'm just trying to guide you here, I doubt I'll be able to help you myself, since I'm not playing on Linux.
But maybe someone else could if you post it, though? 🤷‍♂️

[bright oak]

/home/username/.steam/steam/steamapps/compatdata/107410/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/Local/Arma 3

[teal depot]

last 29 lines (something about directx)
https://bin.whateveritworks.org/?79797b535f5c7eba#DThSYpiLCopT6NQErg5BHEsDYciS26h88b4tahspkLzg

I don't see any errors there

full log:

https://bin.whateveritworks.org/?fdc1586a3f36515c#3wAhtsWAwgQuSVDBKHqMwdDCnVjw6bCY3MxcXDtRRhS1

[bright oak]

Try moving your arma installation onto your system drive and running it from there.

[dry halo]

Y’all I’m having a problem where arma 3 won’t update to 2.14, so I can’t play in server such as the KOTH King of the hill RHS. I checked on steam but there’s no option to update it. Can anyone help?

[wise canyon]

2.14 is not yet available for mac

[dry halo]

Ohhh ok, do you know when it will be?

[wise canyon]

#linux_mac_branch message

[dry halo]

Thank you

[teal depot]

not possible

[teal depot]

Thanks for all the suggestions, I'll try everything tomorrow.

[quasi orchid]

Question, is there a way to run tfar plugin for teamspeak using proton?

[gritty sage]

Yes. Run Windows TeamSpeak inside the same proton environment

[quasi orchid]

Is there a guide or documentation i can follow to get this working? Also I've installed the Linux version of ts3 and used the run sh script. Is there a way for me to do a full uninstall of the program cause when i look through the dir i dont see any uninstall.sh 😵 i haven't really used teamspeak so im not familiar. Thanks in advance

[shut terrace]

I've got it working following ninelore's guide: https://www.ninelore.org/project/armaonlinux/

First, you can keep the Linux version of TS3 (e.g. just for chatting on a server without running Arma), but you won't use it for TFAR. If you want to uninstall it, just delete the entire folder where your TS3 installation is. You may have some remaining hidden configuration files in your Home directory that you may also want to delete.

[quasi orchid]

Thank you, i appreciate the help. I'll work on it once i get home

[teal depot]

sadly images are disabled on this server. but maybe you can see preview of this link:

https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/84jdcwvpgb4.png

as you see, everything needed is installed.

what should I check? do you want me to post log from this command?

Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA TU116 [GeForce GTX 1650] driver: nvidia v: 535.104.05
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.8 driver: X: loaded: nvidia
    gpu: nvidia,nvidia-nvswitch resolution: 1920x1080
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 535.104.05 renderer: NVIDIA GeForce GTX
    1650/PCIe/SSE2
Dedicated memory: 4096
Vulkan 1.3.264
OpenGL 4.6.0

uname is 6.5.3-arch1-1

when using Proton 7, I was able to get the Arma logo to display, but then the game crashed

see the screenshost (again, can't post it directly here)

https://i.postimg.cc/QCN8kmHm/image.png

[cosmic marsh]

when can we expect the update for mac? Tha game hasnt been playable for weeks now

[soft venture]

#linux_mac_branch message

[gritty sage]

I can try looking at that report

[worthy grail]

did you downgrade proton from 8/Experimental to proton 7? Arma doesn't like that

changing memory allocator actually fixed this for me(I had same error after downgrading Proton 8 -> 7)

or changing it back to 8 also fix it

[teal depot]

wdym downgrade? I have all of them installed

[teal depot]

neither 8 or experimental or 7 works for me

[worthy grail]

if you used proton 8 on Arma 3 and after that changed to proton 7 it will not work properly

[teal depot]

and what should I do now?

[worthy grail]

right click on Arma 3 in steam -> properties -> Compatibility -> Force to use specific version and select proton 8

[teal depot]

that's how I've been changing the Proton version all the time.

[teal depot]

what do you mean?

buttons don't work, btw

[gritty sage]

The thing you'd get if the buttons worked

[echo flicker]

hi, battleye works now on mac?

[lyric oriole]

Hello, I'm having a similar thing to above. I'm trying to get TFAR to work. Using Ninelore's guide and helper script I first attempted to get TS to run with Proton 8.0. TS crashes after running for about 5 - 15 seconds. Then I discovered that the script only supports up to Proton 7.0, so I successfully downgraded ArmA 3 proton to 7.0. Thing is TS still crashes after a few seconds and I'm out of ideas. I'm relatively new to linux (mint) and I'd be happy to get some pointers to get me in the right direction

[worthy grail]

Do you have gamepad/controller connected? Try disabling ts3 plugin for gamepads.even if you don't have it connected try disabling this plugin

[lyric oriole]

I do have a gamepad and a joystick

[worthy grail]

Also proton 8 works with ninelore script

[lyric oriole]

Oh it does? Maybe I have a old version, it says inside Arma3Helper.sh, line 7-19, I changed the variable from nothing to 7.0```## MAKE SURE YOU CHOOSE THE SAME PROTON VERSION AS FOR ARMA IN STEAM!!!

Set this to the Proton Version you are using with Arma!

Available versions: "7.0", "6.3", "5.13", "5.0", "4.11", "4.2", "3.16", "3.7", "Proton Experimental", "Experimental"

Defaults to: 7.0

PROTON_OFFICIAL_VERSION="7.0"```

I got this version:
https://github.com/ninelore/armaonlinux/releases/tag/1v18-5

[worthy grail]

Yeah, script wasn't updated for long time but number is just folder path

[lyric oriole]

Oh! Thanks, I didn't know that! I'll have to dig around and figure out how exactly the script works, luckely I took some time to figure out bash already

deactivated the joystick plugin... lets see! (this might take a while)

[wise canyon]

if you use the non apple silicon binary, yes. the mac version is currently on 2.12 so you cannot play with other up to date windows players until 2.14 update is shipped to macOS as well.

[worthy grail]

I am at my PC right now, "8.0" is for proton 8

[lyric oriole]

Gotcha I'll go for 8 then! So far TS is seemingly running stabley now, since I disabled the gamepad plugin like you said. Thanks, I wouldn't have figured that out on my own! Do you mind if I make a forum thread, to let people know?

[worthy grail]

sure. go ahead, it's common problem with TS3

[lyric oriole]

Gotcha, I didn't see that mentioned anywhere I looked up. Maybe its the keywords I used for the search engine

[worthy grail]

i think it's still missing from guide but it's often mentioned on ninelore discord "ArmaOnUnix"

[echo flicker]

thx