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empty summit Sep 10, 2017, 8:12 PM

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if a game is running a patchwork of not so good scripts, you get 13fps

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(and tbh you should be happy it's as much as 13)

whole furnace Sep 10, 2017, 9:01 PM

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Honestly king of the hill like (hostile takeover) servers suck

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I can get 60 fps on a well optomized server

trim ether Sep 10, 2017, 9:24 PM

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We had a 30+ person Op, with server running perf v00 and zeus' running perf v00. However, Zeus were continually crashing to desktop when they opened the map whilst in Zeus.

whole cloud Sep 11, 2017, 5:45 AM

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@trim ether Known bug in 1.76. But as it is perf build. I'm sure Dwarden would be happy if you sent him the crashdumps

woven loom Sep 11, 2017, 8:06 AM

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https://feedback.bistudio.com/T126671 @trim ether

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We thought it was related to/getting triggered by F3's assign gear script, but more info and repro steps would probably be welcome

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And crash dumps

whole cloud Sep 11, 2017, 8:10 AM

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People also messaged me telling TFAR is causing it. Not true! I blame Vanilla

woven loom Sep 11, 2017, 8:12 AM

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Haha

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I do wonder if it's inventory related though, since I assume TFAR puts radios in the backpack?

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(incredibly weird one regardless)

whole cloud Sep 11, 2017, 8:14 AM

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no we don't.
Even that shouldn't be related to crashes on Zeus Map. Atleast I see no connection

woven loom Sep 11, 2017, 8:14 AM

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I see. Yeah it's really strange.

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And well ACRE2 does put radios in backpacks and people haven't reported connected crashes... 🤔

whole cloud Sep 11, 2017, 8:16 AM

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Radios are really just variables set somewhere. ACE in a custom Namespace. TFAR missionNamespace/custom namespace/on the Backpack.
Setting variables.. shouldn't crash the game 😄
And I can't think of anything that would connect opening Map in Zeus with Variables on Backpacks

woven loom Sep 11, 2017, 8:19 AM

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Hmm. What we saw with F3 was, using assign gear to modify inventory of Rifleman (AT) from all factions triggered a crash.

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Otherwise there was none.

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So... I dunno what to say 😅

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And it only seemed to happen with slotted Zeus , not if it was forced later through script

trim ether Sep 11, 2017, 8:29 AM

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@woven loom Thanks. We'll attempt to recreate the issue and then see if its related to slotted Zeus

empty goblet Sep 13, 2017, 9:27 AM

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1.76.142942 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v01, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

multiple crashfixes
details: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-176-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3232979

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.76 "performance binary" feedback

11 hours ago, Neviothr said:

		Why is it not available via Steam? 
	




erm, it is

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whole cloud Sep 13, 2017, 9:30 AM

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Possible fix for the Zeus issue? As you posted in #zeus_discussion I guess that's a yes.

empty goblet Sep 13, 2017, 9:34 AM

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we will see 😉

woven loom Sep 13, 2017, 10:13 AM

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zeus issue potentially fixed in the F3 case, i could not repro the crash. will wait for others to confirm.

rapid raven Sep 13, 2017, 10:50 AM

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got memory usage 6gb to 4gb after use this perf build ( server )

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of course zeus entered.

viral portal Sep 13, 2017, 2:43 PM

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The crash from Zeus map is fixed for me with perf01

woven loom Sep 13, 2017, 3:23 PM

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zeus crash ticket is here btw: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T126671

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if it doesn't crash pls update

nocturne obsidian Sep 13, 2017, 5:04 PM

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already asked in zeus discussion, but i dont know if someone is there, so: do i have to install the server binaries for v01 to get rid of the zeus bug or is the clientside build sufficient?

devout yacht Sep 13, 2017, 5:05 PM

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@nocturne obsidian iirc server perf is in the form of an executable. Just run that with your startup params instead of the arma3server_x64.exe

nocturne obsidian Sep 13, 2017, 5:06 PM

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its not my server, though. but i am in touch with the community and would like to know whats the quickest fix for this problem

devout yacht Sep 13, 2017, 5:07 PM

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Well you asked how to install the server prof build?

nocturne obsidian Sep 13, 2017, 5:07 PM

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no

devout yacht Sep 13, 2017, 5:08 PM

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At the moment stable does not have zeus fix afaik

nocturne obsidian Sep 13, 2017, 5:08 PM

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i wanted to know, if they have to use the server binary or the zeus the client binary

devout yacht Sep 13, 2017, 5:08 PM

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Oh i see.

nocturne obsidian Sep 13, 2017, 5:09 PM

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yes, but do they have to shut down the servers or is it just required for the zeus player to use the binary. thats what im not sure about

devout yacht Sep 13, 2017, 5:09 PM

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I would assume it would be the client one, as the zeus crash doesn't affect the server upon crash

nocturne obsidian Sep 13, 2017, 5:12 PM

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i see. i will tell them that. its the easier way anyways

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thank you for your reply

devout yacht Sep 13, 2017, 5:13 PM

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Sure

empty goblet Sep 13, 2017, 5:16 PM

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the crash is on client, so mainly you need it on client but ofcourse you can use it on server too if possible (no reason to not to)

nocturne obsidian Sep 13, 2017, 5:20 PM

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they say its a hassle to update their servers. i dont know much about it. maybe they use some other methods to run their servers. but anyways, its good to know how to fix the zeus thing. tank you

empty goblet Sep 13, 2017, 5:31 PM

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well mainly those are client crashes so you don't need to worry that much about it as long as you want to fix the zeus crash

nocturne obsidian Sep 13, 2017, 6:00 PM

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100 fps server side confirmed. https://prnt.sc/gkrf32

shell mountain Sep 13, 2017, 6:06 PM

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@nocturne obsidian woot?

nocturne obsidian Sep 13, 2017, 6:06 PM

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woot

whole cloud Sep 13, 2017, 6:07 PM

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@shell mountain see #server_windows

shell mountain Sep 13, 2017, 6:09 PM

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Tnx very much @whole cloud

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mmmm interesting, but i guess fps limiting is a standard practice for stability...
wouldn't that have more fluctuations and influence other executions or desynchs? maybe dwarden can give us some tips
nevertheless having a server that drops a lot fps, maybe starting from 100 can improve,,, but im not sure... it will probably go under 50 anyway once is stuffed
wouldnt you agree?

whole cloud Sep 13, 2017, 6:14 PM

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If the server is loaded fps will go down ofcause.
I'm not sure how that impacts networking.. Because usually if the server is unloaded it sleeps in 10ms intervals with network processing mixed inbetween till it reaches 20ms frametime.
If you have less than 20ms frametime.. so.. over 50 fps.. this could actually improve networking performance.. Maybe..

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This is all experimental stuff and has never been tested. Dwarden also doesn't know the impact of that

shell mountain Sep 13, 2017, 6:16 PM

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cool tnx for all the info and the binary ; ) will test immediately and report experience

nocturne obsidian Sep 13, 2017, 6:43 PM

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I am seeing a decrease in CPU load by 10% to 20% accross 2 different servers, seems very stable, less memory usage too. This is witchcraft. solid 91 fps 2 different servers , 1 Altis and 1 Takistan, mods have no impact. I'll ask my community to do some though testing for stability. But MAN! Awesome!

broken scroll Sep 15, 2017, 11:48 AM

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Does anybody has a clue why diag_mergeConfigFile is not working for me? I'm on prof branch (01, 32 bit) and try to import a dialog into the game like this: diag_mergeConfigFile ["P:\test\addons\client\ui\Dialog.hpp"] but the class is not visible in config viewer after import and sometimes a script error occurs stating that I'm missing a semicolon somewhere. Does the config has to be included in an addon before I can merge it in again?

stark canyon Sep 15, 2017, 11:55 AM

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is it in the PROF branch or just diagnostics dev?
Wiki:Command is only available when using Arma 3 Diagnostics Exe on Dev-Branch.

broken scroll Sep 15, 2017, 11:57 AM

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Oh, well that explains much

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This is a bit misleading as the wiki page for the A3 Diagnostics Exe also points to this article here: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Performance_Profiling

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Which is the performance build

whole cloud Sep 15, 2017, 12:13 PM

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Because diagnostics exe also contains performance profiling stuff

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And no. That link is not performance build. It's prof only. half of perf/prof

broken scroll Sep 15, 2017, 12:45 PM

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quite funny that the dev branch is missing arma3diag.exe and only containes the x64 version. Already verified my game content twice

abstract root Sep 15, 2017, 3:31 PM

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Just thought i would confirm the fix for zeus crash works, just ran a 4 hour mission no issues with a shitton of mods

west sage Sep 15, 2017, 6:48 PM

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On the newest performance patch, can confirm mass battleye kicks are gone so far (been running for 2 days now) usually happens a couple of times a day. However the Server fps is quite low with this build, going down to about 9fps with 100+ players when usually getting around 15-20fps

whole cloud Sep 15, 2017, 7:02 PM

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usually 15-20 fps? you have a big problem there man ^^

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below 20 is bad

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I'd suggest taking profiling build and checking what's causing that

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though 100+ players.. you probably won't be able to fix much

west sage Sep 15, 2017, 7:25 PM

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@whole cloud Does the profiling build show scripts that are slow? or just engine related functions?

whole cloud Sep 15, 2017, 7:26 PM

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both

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Performance_Profiling
It also shows each script VM and how long it ran that frame

west sage Sep 15, 2017, 10:57 PM

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also do you need the profiling client to monitor the server? or do you run the command serverside and it opens on the servers desktop?

whole cloud Sep 15, 2017, 11:04 PM

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it writes to a log file on the server

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to get a visual representation of that log file you need to paste it on the clientside profiling UI

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which you only get if you have profiling client

west sage Sep 15, 2017, 11:05 PM

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Ah right, thanks!

west sage Sep 15, 2017, 11:29 PM

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any ideas on what this is:

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     parWorldSimulate; 1.93514; 13.98590;""```

whole cloud Sep 15, 2017, 11:30 PM

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Stuff

woven loom Sep 15, 2017, 11:30 PM

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aye probably don't worry about it

whole cloud Sep 16, 2017, 12:22 AM

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@west sage parWorldSimulate particle simulation. Smoke grenades n stuff

formal obsidian Sep 17, 2017, 4:50 AM

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So when is the patch?

whole cloud Sep 17, 2017, 8:59 AM

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what patch? @GySgt M. Muckbone#1327

stark canyon Sep 17, 2017, 9:03 AM

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are there notes on v02 i just cant manage to find or they arent posted yet?

empty summit Sep 17, 2017, 9:06 AM

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dwarden pins any patch notes, then notifies everybody in most admin-addressed channels as soon as there's an update to this branch.

stark canyon Sep 17, 2017, 9:06 AM

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thats what i thought, but v02 is in the gdrive and i cant find any notes. he must be busy 👍

empty summit Sep 17, 2017, 9:07 AM

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it's not yet posted to steam, that's why

stark canyon Sep 17, 2017, 9:07 AM

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ahh, fair enough.

empty goblet Sep 17, 2017, 1:45 PM

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it's already on steam too, anyway it has only fix for cases when some our webservices are down which may break the game

empty summit Sep 22, 2017, 4:12 PM

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Dwarden, latest arma3profiling.exe is being flagged by AVG. I don't think it happened to me before

empty goblet Sep 22, 2017, 4:12 PM

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1.76.143044 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v03, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

multiple crash and stability fixes

details: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-176-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3235584

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.76 "performance binary" feedback

11 hours ago, Neviothr said:

		Why is it not available via Steam? 
	




erm, it is

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empty goblet Sep 23, 2017, 8:04 AM

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if you encounter crashes please PM me, i would like to get RPT/MDMP/BIDMP files from moment of crash, thanks in advance

boreal wigeon Sep 23, 2017, 8:45 AM

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@empty goblet or someone else that knows,
What does the two ms behind the objects mean? What's the difference between the first one and the 2nd one?
https://imgur.com/s71GzHD

whole cloud Sep 23, 2017, 9:15 AM

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@boreal wigeon first one is the time since frame start at which that profiling segment started
the second one is the time that was spent inside that segment

boreal wigeon Sep 23, 2017, 9:17 AM

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Ah k thx @whole cloud and that includes all the sub categories?

whole cloud Sep 23, 2017, 9:17 AM

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second value. yes.

dapper kelp Sep 23, 2017, 9:59 PM

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Question, what do each branch do ?

empty summit Sep 23, 2017, 10:09 PM

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dev branch is a nightly, main branch is what you're supposed to use

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and perf/prof branch has profiling tools to check your mod/mission performance

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and sometimes it gets hotfixes not yet cleared for main branch

dapper kelp Sep 23, 2017, 10:13 PM

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i've seen somewhere the profiling branch has more tweaks than the performance one, is this true or does the profiling branch got any specific tools to test performance results?

empty summit Sep 23, 2017, 10:13 PM

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profiling and performance is the same branch

dapper kelp Sep 23, 2017, 10:13 PM

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alright

woven loom Sep 23, 2017, 10:19 PM

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different binaries though, profiling is slower and has some profiling tools

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performance binary (default when you use the branch from steam) is stable + hotfixes, and what you should use if you are experiencing crashes with stable

whole cloud Sep 24, 2017, 8:20 AM

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profiling and performance have the same tweaks. Just profiling has profiling tools. See "performance profiling" on biki

woven loom Sep 24, 2017, 8:31 AM

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Note: Through the nature of a Profiling build they are not as performant as the normal release builds.

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...from the biki

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remember dwarden saying something similar

unique rose Sep 24, 2017, 9:07 AM

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Any cluse why my server RPT is being spammed with the following since V03 proformance build
20:48:51 A null object passed as a target to RemoteExec(Call) 'reveal'
20:48:51 A null object passed as a target to RemoteExec(Call) 'reveal'
20:48:51 A null object passed as a target to RemoteExec(Call) 'reveal'
20:48:51 A null object passed as a target to RemoteExec(Call) 'reveal'
20:48:51 A null object passed as a target to RemoteExec(Call) 'reveal'

stark canyon Sep 24, 2017, 9:08 AM

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because ur trying to reveal a null object?

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no sorry thats not right

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its being remoteexeced to a null object 🤦 i get it too occasionally

whole cloud Sep 24, 2017, 9:10 AM

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@unique rose TFAR?

unique rose Sep 24, 2017, 9:11 AM

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yer i updated it yesterday also

whole cloud Sep 24, 2017, 9:11 AM

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1.0?

unique rose Sep 24, 2017, 9:11 AM

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yer

whole cloud Sep 24, 2017, 9:11 AM

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with ai_hearing? ^^

unique rose Sep 24, 2017, 9:11 AM

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yes

whole cloud Sep 24, 2017, 9:11 AM

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There you have your answer ^^ Not profiling build causing that.. I already tried to filter null objects out but somehow it keeps happening

unique rose Sep 24, 2017, 9:12 AM

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kk thanks ill remov eit for now

whole cloud Sep 24, 2017, 9:12 AM

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I'll be pushing a new update in an hour. I'll try some more to remove these messages

unique rose Sep 24, 2017, 9:14 AM

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very strange i can see you check for null in there

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thanks for the info though was searching all my content for about an hour

whole cloud Sep 24, 2017, 9:16 AM

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exactly.. I'm not sure what else I could do.. I'm checking for null but somehow it still gets through...

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well.. the server RPT is... Maybe the object is null on the server but not on the client? wtf

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Also.. The server is saying it was executed... But.. if (!hasInterface) exitWith {}; //Only on clients That script doesn't run on the server

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Update is out.. Dunno if that will fix it

woven loom Sep 24, 2017, 10:02 AM

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try if (isServer || !hasInterface) exitWith {}; to be more explicit?

whole cloud Sep 24, 2017, 10:07 AM

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That would break it on client hosted servers

woven loom Sep 24, 2017, 10:34 AM

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yeah

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maybe isDedicated?

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i mean i know it's redundant but...

empty goblet Sep 26, 2017, 8:07 PM

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1.76.143069 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v04, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

crash fixes (zeus related)
details : https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-176-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3236634

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.76 "performance binary" feedback

11 hours ago, Neviothr said:

		Why is it not available via Steam? 
	




erm, it is

empty goblet Sep 27, 2017, 8:59 AM

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^ crashes on new build ? PM me those crash-dumps asap , ty in advance

scenic knot Sep 29, 2017, 6:58 AM

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yep will send it soon

formal obsidian Sep 30, 2017, 1:19 PM

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After I download profiling branch v04, zues crash still occurred.

whole cloud Sep 30, 2017, 1:23 PM

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Are you also using profiling branch? Maybe launching wrong executable?
Please upload the crashdump. https://feedback.bistudio.com/w/ft_a3_howto/gamecrash/
You can just send it to me I'll take a look

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@formal obsidian

formal obsidian Sep 30, 2017, 2:47 PM

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Let me check it out, I may not be starting with the correct exe. It maybe tomorrow before I can though.

plush quarry Oct 2, 2017, 1:38 AM

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I'm using v04 perfromance and no crashes in zeus.

empty goblet Oct 2, 2017, 8:45 AM

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any crashdumps from 1.74.143069 over weekend and i still don't have them ? hit me with

empty summit Oct 5, 2017, 2:10 PM

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is hotfix compatible with perf branch?

empty goblet Oct 5, 2017, 2:15 PM

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it is, plus there is new perf now (1.76.143185)

empty summit Oct 5, 2017, 2:18 PM

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👍

empty goblet Oct 5, 2017, 2:54 PM

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1.76.143185 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v05, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

additional crash fixes
in-sync with 1.76.hotfix (1.76.143187)
details: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-176-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3239147
note: it has more crashfixes than hotfix

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.76 "performance binary" feedback

11 hours ago, Neviothr said:

		Why is it not available via Steam? 
	




erm, it is

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viral portal Oct 5, 2017, 3:28 PM

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perf v05 1.76.143185 has more fixes than hotfix 1.76.143187 although version is older ?

woven loom Oct 5, 2017, 3:32 PM

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+ in-sync with 1.76.hotfix (1.76.143187)

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i suppose it's just a numbering thing

empty goblet Oct 5, 2017, 3:50 PM

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@viral portal the profiling was prepared yesterday and autocompiled this morning, so hotfix just has higher build number (as being done later today)

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but some of the fixes in profiling aren't considered stable enough to end in the hotfix

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anyway, if you get crashes on both 185 and 187, just send them to me asap, so we can get newer profiling with fix 😁

boreal wigeon Oct 10, 2017, 8:49 AM

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@empty goblet my HC crashed over night, got dump files you interested in those?

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running latest perf build.

rapid cradle Oct 11, 2017, 10:54 AM

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@boreal wigeon Yes he is, send him private all RPT, MDMP, BIDMP files.

boreal wigeon Oct 11, 2017, 10:55 AM

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@rapid cradle he got to me via PM after that message. But he isn't sure if anyone got time to look through it as he's busy with other stuff.

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But I send him it anyway.

rapid cradle Oct 11, 2017, 10:56 AM

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👍

empty goblet Oct 12, 2017, 3:51 PM

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tho those who asked about what are those sneaky profiling updates this week, one had the fix for #monitor under 64-bit and some crashfixes ...

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if nothing breaks at friday i will try get the particles fix for client too

runic sphinx Oct 12, 2017, 3:54 PM

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Particles fix you say?

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😀

empty goblet Oct 12, 2017, 4:00 PM

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ye something not rendering properly in normal client binary but works fine in diag binary

trim ether Oct 12, 2017, 4:12 PM

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Is that where the particle system appears to be reset every few seconds?

oblique panther Oct 12, 2017, 4:43 PM

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hi! just a heads up: Avast is kicking in on the last update. " arma3server.exe is infested with win32:BogEnt [Susp] "

runic sphinx Oct 12, 2017, 5:03 PM

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Yeah it's been doing that for a while

empty goblet Oct 12, 2017, 5:21 PM

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lol, again ? really ... {enters Avast! communication waters and raises pirate flag}

devout yacht Oct 12, 2017, 5:22 PM

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Dwarden is a pirate now?!? Raiding the safe waters?!? Everyone! Look alive!

empty goblet Oct 12, 2017, 5:29 PM

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@oblique panther some questions :
what version (exact full build number) of Avast! ?
what version (full number again) of the detection set (VPS) ?
which of the binaries ? (only arma3server.exe ?)
manual download or via steamcmd or steam client ?

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1.76.143261 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v06, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

crash fixes
fix for 64-bit memory usage output of #monitor in server console
details: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-176-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3241164

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woven loom Oct 12, 2017, 5:49 PM

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particles fix for client too
nice

native ridge Oct 12, 2017, 8:01 PM

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The v06 x64 perf and prof clients are not in the google drive folder. Or if they are I can't see them.

stark canyon Oct 13, 2017, 4:35 AM

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v06 is a little off with the network usage on the monitor command https://i.imgur.com/87krE7F.png
40 players connected and it says nothing is going in and barely anything is going out.

empty goblet Oct 13, 2017, 9:27 AM

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hmm they are there and no issue i can see

spiral trail Oct 13, 2017, 9:48 AM

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@empty goblet wrong "ice" 😛 -> @native ridge

native ridge Oct 13, 2017, 10:07 AM

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@empty goblet They appear to be there now

oblique panther Oct 13, 2017, 12:54 PM

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@empty goblet : Avast program version 17.7.2314 build 17.7.3660.226 / virus def: 171012-0 / defenitions: 5653572 - Cant find binary on the file since it autoupdated via steam.

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ille tell you as soon as I find out

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beeing raided, so Im kinda buissy now lol

empty goblet Oct 13, 2017, 1:55 PM

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thanks, i'm talking to Avast! staff they found some issues in depths of theirs backend 😉 not sure if fixed today but next week for sure

woven loom Oct 13, 2017, 2:32 PM

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thanks for the particles fix, dwarden 😃

thin wyvern Oct 13, 2017, 2:43 PM

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That fix will be in v07 not in v06.

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if nothing breaks at friday i will try get the particles fix for client too

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From forum thread Annoying with vanishing particles ```Solved on the latest Dev-Branch, is the everything I can say.

yes, random particle disappearing seems to be fixed! ```

chrome wadi Oct 13, 2017, 2:55 PM

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can you link the thread?

woven loom Oct 13, 2017, 3:06 PM

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i mean i could tell you that i'm running profiling branch, got an update today and then checked - and you could believe me...

empty goblet Oct 13, 2017, 3:25 PM

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btw. there is 07 already, it has the particles fix

woven loom Oct 13, 2017, 3:28 PM

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thank you 😃

empty goblet Oct 13, 2017, 4:46 PM

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1.76.143281 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v07, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

Fixed: Particles could disappear when looking at them ( https://feedback.bistudio.com/T119284 )
details: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-176-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3241407

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.76 "performance binary" feedback

1.76.143281 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v07, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

+ Fixed: Particles could di...

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thin wyvern Oct 13, 2017, 5:03 PM

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@chrome wadi https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/202663-annoying-with-vanishing-particles/

chrome wadi Oct 13, 2017, 5:04 PM

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ty

thin wyvern Oct 13, 2017, 5:05 PM

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np 🙂

worldly badge Oct 13, 2017, 5:10 PM

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Hello, I know this is a stupid question though, is Performance-Binaly can connect to Stable-Branch server?

devout yacht Oct 13, 2017, 5:10 PM

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@worldly badge yes

worldly badge Oct 13, 2017, 5:11 PM

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Thank you!

woven loom Oct 15, 2017, 11:32 PM

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RPT spam... https://pastebin.com/RPDgXLMi

devout yacht Oct 16, 2017, 2:54 AM

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@SuicideKing#6140 Come on now, you don't love tastey preserved meat? 😛

cursive igloo Oct 27, 2017, 4:32 PM

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Did some extra logging get turned on in the profiling branch ? My rpt files went from 300k average to 170MB

devout yacht Oct 27, 2017, 5:03 PM

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Not that i know of, are you running mods? @cursive igloo

cursive igloo Oct 27, 2017, 5:04 PM

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Yea a pile, but I was before as well

empty summit Oct 27, 2017, 5:04 PM

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yeah, might be some errors from a mod

cursive igloo Oct 27, 2017, 5:05 PM

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..... I didn't say anything .. infinite script error loop from a mission.

devout yacht Oct 27, 2017, 5:07 PM

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🤦

cursive igloo Oct 27, 2017, 5:07 PM

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yeaaahhh ...

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I'll go back to my corner >.>

devout yacht Oct 27, 2017, 5:09 PM

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:spy:

whole cloud Nov 5, 2017, 12:57 AM

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https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/211626-arma-script-profiler/ also contains a quite readable guide on how to read the diag_captureFrame output.

woven loom Nov 5, 2017, 5:20 PM

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this is great, thanks!

dreamy holly Nov 8, 2017, 9:46 PM

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Hello! And is there still a possibility to use diag_captureSlowFrame in ARMA 2 CO 1.63?

empty goblet Nov 10, 2017, 12:29 AM

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@Dimon#3425 i'm afraid that command was added only to specific debug/beta binary build for A2OA and not to usual stable or common beta builds

dreamy holly Nov 10, 2017, 3:47 AM

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Thanks. Specific debug/beta binary build for A2OA somewhere else to download?

patent dome Nov 15, 2017, 10:42 PM

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https://pastebin.com/XNQ3Q8in Some RPT spam. Latest profiling build 1.76.143281, this does not happen in the stable branch. The first 29 lines should not even be there, the code that is part of is spawned, yet they are there.

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 10:49 AM

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can some one giveme a hand? i'm doing the profiling but i have no idea what i see xD

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https://pastebin.com/ZdDy1M2G

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https://gyazo.com/7adb30e93a26a750e5044a4fb8fa4171

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https://gyazo.com/073d9391a7fc8f2c041b07ad16bde72f

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 11:36 AM

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https://gyazo.com/e094d6d698990d68d5e1c55ebdcc496a

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:06 PM

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As I posted above https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/211626-arma-script-profiler/ has a somewhat explanation

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The bars on top are the different threads.
You are only interested in the main thread. That's the one that goes all the way through.

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:16 PM

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@whole cloud this scripts it's only need to client side right?

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:16 PM

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scripts?

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:16 PM

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i mean the addon, intercept + profiling

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:17 PM

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yeah.

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Gimme a couple minutes. I'll start Arma and walk you through that profiler log.... Or I'll try atleast

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:17 PM

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ohh thanks man

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sure i'll wait 😄

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:22 PM

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Your serverfps are at 50 and they could be at around 120 if you had them unlocked

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:23 PM

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ok

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:23 PM

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You won't find out what slows down your server. If you analyze what it does when it's not slowed down

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:23 PM

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ohh thats kinda hard

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because it's slow when there is ppl online

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:25 PM

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https://dedmen.de/sharex/Discord_2017-11-16_14-23-50.png
There is what's inside your main thread.
1.5ms of networking. 2ms of simulation (AI and vehicle movement and such)
and 3.2ms of scheduled scripts. Out of which 3.2ms are spent inside ZCP_fnc_start.
And then the server does nothing for 11.5ms (sleep) to make it not exceed 50 fps

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I know that it is hard ^^ But that's how it works

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:26 PM

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yes i see

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well i will try in local with no ppl to understand first how it works

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so, i dissabled signatures verification

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because those addons has no keys

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and then i load intercept + profiling into client huh?

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:28 PM

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yes

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Do you think there is a need for bisigns on the pbo's? I can add them I guess

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:29 PM

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well yes if you want to test with online players

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this will make me able to join with those addons without risk the server

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untill i understand if you don have key verification ppl can join the server with "edited mods"

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so they have a free cheating way :p

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do i need to load intercept at server side or something?

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:38 PM

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I added bikey and bisign to the downloader from github

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no

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:38 PM

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ohh

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:39 PM

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What are you trying to do with it btw?
I won't profile scripts on the server.

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:40 PM

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ahh right

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i don only need logs from server

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then i join with intercept + profiles to check results xD ok

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got it i guess

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:41 PM

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It's theoretically possible. At the end of a frame it copies results to your clipboard. You don't really have a clipboard on the server.
But I can make it write to logfiles like diag_captureFrameToFile

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:42 PM

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yes i did that

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log to file

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i did give a 10minutes of wait

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[]spawn {
    sleep 600;
    diag_log "==================================================================";
    diag_log "INICIO DE CAPTURANDO FRAMES";
    diag_log "==================================================================";
    diag_captureFrameToFile 1;
};

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1 frame it's enought?

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:45 PM

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Add a if (diag_fps < 20) or something like that

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:46 PM

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ohh good idea

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:46 PM

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and make it a while loop with like.. 5 minute sleep

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1 frame could be enough. More are always better

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:47 PM

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what if i do

[] spawn {
    sleep 600;
    waitUntil { diag_fps < 20 };
    diag_captureFrameToFile 1;
};

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 1:48 PM

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captures just the first frame

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which can happen when your server starts up and everything initalizes so...

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 1:50 PM

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so adding the sleep of 10 minutes

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at 10 minutes everything should be already charged

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@whole cloud one last question (for now) how do i open the profiler window with you script? 😜

whole cloud Nov 16, 2017, 2:05 PM

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same as in profiling binary

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either run diag_captureFrame manually. Or the profiler will also call diag_captureFrame automatically

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Everything is explained in the BIF post

hardy wren Nov 16, 2017, 2:08 PM

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@whole cloud got it thanks alot -> https://gyazo.com/6876cc66fe30663846fd752686af0372

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i will wait to get the real log and will check it

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and will read the entire post, because i still dont understand what is wrong or what is good there :p

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 3:26 PM

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@whole cloud do you mind to check that? -> https://pastebin.com/V2AcqZtR

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i'm trying to guess whats wrong

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i see ZCP is the only who took too much time

whole cloud Nov 17, 2017, 3:33 PM

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Gimme about an hour ^^

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 3:33 PM

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oki thanks

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 5:25 PM

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@whole cloud you mate, i'm waiting for you :p

whole cloud Nov 17, 2017, 5:26 PM

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Thanks for reminding ^^

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 5:26 PM

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haha

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if you are bussy i have to cook

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so what if we meet about 1 hour?

whole cloud Nov 17, 2017, 5:31 PM

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I'm not. I just forgot

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as usual

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 5:31 PM

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ahh

whole cloud Nov 17, 2017, 5:32 PM

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That is after the server running for some time? ZCP_fnc_start is still taking up the full 3ms from the scheduler...

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 5:32 PM

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that log it's after 30minutes when server go lower than 20 fps

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[] spawn {
    sleep 1800;
    waitUntil { diag_fps < 20 };
    diag_captureFrameToFile 1;
};

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i did use that code

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there was about 8ppl online, full activity

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so you think ZCP it's broking the server FPS?

whole cloud Nov 17, 2017, 5:45 PM

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That script func is definetly not good. But that's not what kills your server.
There is a lot of networking going on in that capture too.
And the engine blocked for 20ms/60ms doing nothing because it was waiting for a job running in a different thread to finish

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 5:54 PM

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ok i'm understanding the 5% i guess so xD

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how do i localize wth it's causing that waiting job

whole cloud Nov 17, 2017, 5:55 PM

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Find out what netSSM crUOC and mtPmj mean

nocturne obsidian Nov 17, 2017, 5:57 PM

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ZCP so chances are running exile or maybe epoch. Prob to many base parts on your server

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 5:58 PM

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Exile in this case, dont understand what you mean

nocturne obsidian Nov 17, 2017, 6:00 PM

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Find out how many objects your have on server i.e count allMissionObjects 'All'
Chances are your have over 8k of objects from people building bases on your server

whole cloud Nov 17, 2017, 6:01 PM

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Well I know how to turn that to <0.5ms easilly 😄
I'm kinda sad that I have so good ways to improve script performance.. But can't actually put it to use because all scripts that I run are already too fast

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 7:06 PM

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back

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well i will try to find what those words means

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and then i will try to figureout whats going on xD

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 8:29 PM

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wot, i just check again

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https://pastebin.com/1RZ6mxMW

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ZCP is now normal

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@whole cloud sorry but i cant find what those words mean

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Find out what netSSM crUOC and mtPmj mean

whole cloud Nov 17, 2017, 8:44 PM

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Yeah. I also can't

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Well... I don't have enough time to.. == can't

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 8:49 PM

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ahh damn i thought you was sending me to learn myself xD

whole cloud Nov 17, 2017, 8:56 PM

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You can ask the devs if you want to 😄 I don't think you'll get an answer tho

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 8:56 PM

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so i'm fucked up¿? xD

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@whole cloud you tell me that server is lock to 50 fps and i can uncluck to 150? :p

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how? :p

whole cloud Nov 17, 2017, 8:58 PM

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https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/210492-server-fps-limit-testing/

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Don't have prof v9 yet tho.. v9 is current right?

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 9:00 PM

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emm let me see

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https://gyazo.com/20d264903ed6b1613526bc259b263fd1

whole cloud Nov 17, 2017, 9:02 PM

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so x64 prof is already there. Grab it and hav fun

hardy wren Nov 17, 2017, 9:02 PM

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i'm using profiler

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but is not better performance?

whole cloud Nov 17, 2017, 9:03 PM

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Maybe a tiny bit but no

silk knoll Nov 20, 2017, 9:35 AM

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Hi profiling experts,
i've just started playing with profiling, so question is: how to interpret the line like "scrVM....<spawn>:89", especially that <spawn>:89 part? Is it script handle #89 for VM, so lines with such a marker are executions in scope of single spawn/thread #89?

whole cloud Nov 20, 2017, 9:48 AM

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nope. 89 is the line number

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It tells you that a script without a name (hence the default <spawn> name) was executing and either was at line 89 before it started or it stopped at line 89 at the end of execution

silk knoll Nov 20, 2017, 10:30 AM

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@whole cloud Then i'm confused with what i'm getting here -> https://pastebin.com/ft19NU6X
Lots of <spawn>:166, and single BIS_fnc_rankParams takes all 3ms (btw are those entries in scope of the function are VM opcodes?)
Another question regarding AS_fnc_localizar:61, if 61 - line number, then that makes no sense - code only has 24 lines - https://github.com/A3Antistasi/antistasiofficial/blob/master/AntistasiOfficial.Altis/Functions/fn_localizar.sqf

whole cloud Nov 20, 2017, 10:31 AM

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What "entries in scope of the function"

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You call a function.. It could be that the line number is inside the fnc_location or BIS_fnc_nearestPosition. Really unreliable.
Something somewhere in some code somewhere calls BIS_fnc_rankParams and that's slow for some reason.
Profiling on scheduled scripts is not as easy as unscheduled scripts

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You can use https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/scriptName to give a real name to those <spawn>

silk knoll Nov 20, 2017, 10:35 AM

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BIS_fnc_rankParams ->memAl, memFr, evGet etc (opcodes?)

whole cloud Nov 20, 2017, 10:35 AM

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Oh. No. memAl means memory allocation. Just generic.
evGet is resolving a script variable. Like getting the value out of a _myVar

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You don't get that detailed profiling info out of the default Arma profiler
I think it just takes the best known name for the scripts.
So if you call BIS_fnc_nearestPosition from AS_fnc_localizar and the BIS function doesn't have a name it will just update the line numbers and use the name it already has.
Not really reliable at all

silk knoll Nov 20, 2017, 10:52 AM

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@whole cloud Are there any practices to make code more profiler friendly (like scriptName)? btw thanks for the hint

whole cloud Nov 20, 2017, 10:53 AM

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Is going to unscheduled an option?

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If so https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Performance_Profiling#Creating_your_own_subtree
You can profile these unscheduled parts in my Script profiler too. But if your scripts are made to be scheduled going unscheduled might not be easy nor good.

silk knoll Nov 20, 2017, 10:59 AM

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Current codebase relies heavily on scheduled env, that's the problem. Thanks for you help

oblique panther Nov 23, 2017, 2:46 PM

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My steam client downloaded something from perf prof branch and now it says "performing first time setup" is this something you pushed out @empty goblet or anyone who knows?

whole cloud Nov 23, 2017, 3:01 PM

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No. Steam pushed that

empty goblet Nov 23, 2017, 3:04 PM

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there was no profiling update i know of

oblique panther Nov 23, 2017, 3:04 PM

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wierd, I wonder what that was then

whole cloud Nov 23, 2017, 3:05 PM

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Dot net framework update

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global update from Steam.

oblique panther Nov 23, 2017, 3:05 PM

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ok

hallow yew Nov 23, 2017, 6:34 PM

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Have you changed Arma profile? @oblique panther

whole cloud Nov 23, 2017, 6:54 PM

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@hallow yew English please?

hallow yew Nov 23, 2017, 7:06 PM

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Ingame Arma character profile, thought that was plain enough!

whole cloud Nov 23, 2017, 7:14 PM

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Who are you asking that question to?

woven loom Nov 23, 2017, 7:37 PM

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i think raggamuffins won't get the ping if you mention on editing a posted message

whole cloud Nov 23, 2017, 7:39 PM

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I don't see how Steam downloading a net framework update has anything to do with him switching his Arma character profile.... @hallow yew ?

hallow yew Nov 23, 2017, 7:40 PM

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I pm'd him anyway now, I have seen it if a player changes their character profile ingame, it can sometimes break/corrupt some .net dependencies which auto download through Steam when it's next started. Also related to when all your Steam Workshop mods disappear. Only noticed it in the last 2 months or so

whole cloud Nov 23, 2017, 7:41 PM

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But.. I already said it was a global .net update from Steam... It was pushed to all games that use depend on that .net redist...
Right there. 2 messages before your first message today.

hallow yew Nov 23, 2017, 7:41 PM

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ok, nothing received here, so not Arma related then?

oblique panther Nov 23, 2017, 7:47 PM

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Thank you @hallow yew :wookieLove:

oblique panther Nov 23, 2017, 8:21 PM

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I got the error again. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/370187865700696074/383351390526898207/ArmaPerfFirstTimeSetup_Secondtime.jpg

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I didnt rename profiles

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I should perhaps change channel here, sry

whole cloud Nov 24, 2017, 7:58 AM

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@Raggamuffins#5836 It's just Steam trying to update your .net framework. If it is unable to just go to Arma 3 directory and "CommonRedist" and install it manually from there.

woven loom Nov 24, 2017, 10:24 AM

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@whole cloud yeah I told him that in #arma3_questions or #arma3_troubleshooting , don't remember.

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Seemed to be something about steam borking his .net install

fair lagoon Nov 30, 2017, 1:37 AM

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starting to look into some profiling data with the arma script profiler, and i have a tree named "{call _x" - any advice on how i can start to track down what script that's really coming from?

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data available here: https://pastebin.com/9zeqLxXi

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also, what is the 3dSwp variable in the engine profiling stats?

whole cloud Nov 30, 2017, 12:22 PM

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3dSwp is 3D swap. Swapping the backbuffer to front

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That scope is quite bad though. It contains a lot of other stuff besides that

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The times in your script profiler report are kinda messed up.. It also captures multiple frames... interesting...
Please don't profile TFAR. It's so bad it hurts my eyes
For the {call _x you can't really do that much. I have never seen that.. That code is not in ACE or CBA or TFAR... I think..
It's just the first line of that script.. I could tell the profiler to display more than just the first line

fair lagoon Nov 30, 2017, 7:19 PM

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i'll try searching through some of our open source mods to see if i can find any scripts that start with that line. as for 3d swap, are there any performance settings that might make that process faster?

whole cloud Nov 30, 2017, 7:24 PM

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Don't think so.. besides reducing resolution

shell mountain Nov 30, 2017, 8:41 PM

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sorry guys no linux build for 1.78 yet right?

random idol Nov 30, 2017, 8:55 PM

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I'm guessing the new performance build won't be further then two weeks out? 😉 i reaaaaly like the perf build :p

woven loom Nov 30, 2017, 9:23 PM

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@shell mountain if it didn't say so in the SPOTREP, then no

oblique panther Dec 1, 2017, 11:42 PM

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@whole cloud : I had to reinstall windows after last weeks issues with .NET beeing distributed via Steam. It broke a working stable Windows 7 system. Further Steam refused to help me and told me to talk to Microsoft. Running windows 10 now... 😛

upbeat briar Dec 2, 2017, 8:20 AM

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All Steam does is run the .NET installer that Microsoft supply. So Steam was quite right to direct you to Microsoft.

oblique panther Dec 3, 2017, 2:31 AM

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@empty goblet : When selecting Perf branch in Steam, it starts downloading 8gb of data , even though I allready have that data downloaded. Just a heads up.

nocturne obsidian Dec 3, 2017, 2:46 AM

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@oblique panther dont think there is a perf build yet. So chances are you switched back to the previous arma version

oblique panther Dec 3, 2017, 2:58 AM

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ok, guess that might be the explenation

woven loom Dec 3, 2017, 12:47 PM

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Yeah, I had to switch from profiling branch to stable to get the update

unique rose Dec 5, 2017, 7:14 AM

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Dreaming of perf ZZZZZzzzzz.....

empty goblet Dec 5, 2017, 7:48 AM

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@unique rose well perf 0 for 1.78.profiling is already available (just sync with 1.78.main stable)

whole cloud Dec 5, 2017, 7:51 AM

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Why don't you notify us? ^^ I can finally get back to work then

unique rose Dec 5, 2017, 8:02 AM

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Info is power DW lol

empty goblet Dec 5, 2017, 8:03 AM

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it's not important w/o the BE fixes

unique rose Dec 5, 2017, 8:04 AM

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@empty goblet so the steam stable build is profileing version 1.78 as the standard exe?

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as im not seeing anything in https://www.dropbox.com/sh/582opsto4mmr8d8/3BSy9PdRGm

Dropbox

Arma3

Shared with Dropbox

empty goblet Dec 5, 2017, 8:04 AM

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sync as usual

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nothing on dropbox yet

unique rose Dec 5, 2017, 8:05 AM

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So confused

whole cloud Dec 5, 2017, 8:05 AM

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Steam profiling branch now has profiling build that is in-sync with 1.78. No additional fixes or stuff

unique rose Dec 5, 2017, 8:06 AM

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arr i dont use steam profiling that prob why im baffled

empty goblet Dec 6, 2017, 3:40 PM

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see #dev_rc_branch

empty goblet Dec 7, 2017, 4:30 PM

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1.80.143752 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v00, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

sync with everything 1.78.x and 1.80.main
details: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-180-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3254378

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.80 "performance binary" feedback

1.76.143281 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v07, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

+ Fixed: Particles could di...

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unique rose Dec 8, 2017, 8:07 AM

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yay

oblique panther Dec 8, 2017, 8:36 AM

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Finally, Lets hope it fixes all/some the issues Im having !

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thank you

unique rose Dec 8, 2017, 9:53 AM

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dont think there is any fixs

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just in sync with stable

empty goblet Dec 8, 2017, 1:05 PM

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ye it's 1:1 with main just was build before hotfix was

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tho some claim they have faster loading times and better FPS with performance 1.80 than main 1.80... magic

whole cloud Dec 8, 2017, 1:06 PM

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It's all about the p effect

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But don't tell them that

silver roost Dec 8, 2017, 1:49 PM

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It's name says it all.. it would not be called performace build if it didnt make it faster.. come on.. get real..

unique rose Dec 8, 2017, 2:42 PM

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anychance of V2 with hotfix included

whole cloud Dec 8, 2017, 2:45 PM

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We'll I'd say we first have to wait for what v1 entails

unique rose Dec 8, 2017, 2:50 PM

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yer true but if we get V2 then it will fix the issues in V1 so ya

woven loom Dec 8, 2017, 2:55 PM

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but v00 already has the hotfix

whole cloud Dec 8, 2017, 2:56 PM

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giggle That was not bad

unique rose Dec 8, 2017, 2:57 PM

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i am hoping that giggle with at him as
ye it's 1:1 with main just was build "before" hotfix was

nocturne obsidian Dec 8, 2017, 3:10 PM

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I certainly don't test the performance builds all the time but every time I have done I couldn't find any performance difference of note so far. It has always been within margin of error for me over the past year or so. More than the performance build I use the profiling build to track down badly behaved scripts.

unique rose Dec 8, 2017, 3:11 PM

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perf defo has a diffrence if you monitor cycles per second

whole cloud Dec 8, 2017, 3:12 PM

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Performance started out as performance tests. But then it turned into a general test branch that's based on release instad of dev.
It get's performance improvements sometimes but rarely nowadays

nocturne obsidian Dec 8, 2017, 3:15 PM

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The profiling branch at least has proved exceptionally useful and I wish we had had it earlier in the games release cycle. But yes I think we are pretty much done with performance at this point and its mostly bug fixes.

whole cloud Dec 8, 2017, 3:16 PM

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I know of half a dozen script performance improvements. But BI didn't care when I reported that over a year ago and they still don't. As it's not really going to give you +10 fps or smth

nocturne obsidian Dec 8, 2017, 3:18 PM

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I mostly use it for our/mod stuff. Has made finding the culprit for odd performance problems easier at least. I suspect some of the early problems with performance will have been mods behaving badly. A long time ago but we found that ACE cost a lot of fps constantly just to be included. Nowadays I can see that whereas back then I found the difference between vanilla and modded and had to bisect all the mods to find the culprit

whole cloud Dec 8, 2017, 3:21 PM

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I made a crappy hard to use script profiler before. Now I made a nice much easier to use script profiler that needs the profiliing build.
Wish I wouldn't have wasted so much time back then

woven loom Dec 8, 2017, 3:27 PM

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surely the things learned when you made the earlier profiler would have come in handy this time?

whole cloud Dec 8, 2017, 3:27 PM

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Could have.. If I looked at it while making the new one...

woven loom Dec 8, 2017, 4:44 PM

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😄

random idol Dec 8, 2017, 11:31 PM

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@whole cloud are you going to release some of those fps unlocked binaries again btw?

woven loom Dec 8, 2017, 11:41 PM

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@random idol Dedmen doesn't work for BI, Dwarden does

random idol Dec 9, 2017, 12:51 AM

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@woven loom i know that however he had tweaked the binaries from last perf build to test for BI if there is changes running with fps unlocked to 200 instead of 50

devout yacht Dec 9, 2017, 1:20 AM

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@random idol SERVER FPS

random idol Dec 9, 2017, 1:44 AM

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@devout yacht yea i know don't worry it still gave me and my guys an fps boost of 10-15 fps

whole cloud Dec 9, 2017, 9:27 AM

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Planned yesterday. Unforseen stuff happened. Now planned for today. Should be there in an hour or so

whole cloud Dec 9, 2017, 12:22 PM

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done

oblique panther Dec 9, 2017, 4:55 PM

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funny with the "placebo" effect working LUL

random idol Dec 10, 2017, 1:41 AM

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Binaries unlocked my server to run at constant 452 FPS and CPS for the entirety of a zeus mission with 12 people and about 100 AI :p

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i had constant 84 fps client side

silver roost Dec 10, 2017, 6:17 PM

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Interesting if that can work 😃 Would be happy to test 😃

whole cloud Dec 10, 2017, 6:39 PM

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@silver roost https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/210492-server-fps-limit-testing If you look closely you might find a link to pre-patched binaries

silver roost Dec 10, 2017, 6:42 PM

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Thanks, 😃

random idol Dec 10, 2017, 9:05 PM

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@whole cloud the unlocked binaries that you have released are performance binaries are they not? I'm currently using them on our server but were having some server freeze ups and i'm wondering if it might be caused by the binaries.

whole cloud Dec 10, 2017, 9:05 PM

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profiling

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It's profiling binaries with just the fps limit number edited

random idol Dec 10, 2017, 9:07 PM

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coudl that cause issues when being used on a server?

whole cloud Dec 10, 2017, 9:22 PM

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Not known. That's why I'm testing that

hallow yew Dec 11, 2017, 2:03 PM

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I had no issues running performance binary with fps unlocked on 1.76, now I can't find the hex for fps in 1.80 perf branch 😦

whole cloud Dec 11, 2017, 2:07 PM

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I posted it in the BIF thread.. like always. Only for prof though. But there isn't a big perf difference

hallow yew Dec 11, 2017, 2:09 PM

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Was looking for 32 00 00 00 around the one you posted but not luck

whole cloud Dec 11, 2017, 2:09 PM

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you have to use the same binary as I did.

hallow yew Dec 11, 2017, 2:10 PM

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Yeah, i'm using the prof binary on my servers, just wanted to test on the perf binary to see if there was any difference, but its not at the same address

whole cloud Dec 11, 2017, 2:10 PM

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Finding the offset isn't that easy. And it differs between every version.

hallow yew Dec 11, 2017, 2:11 PM

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I guess I will make a cup of coffee and go hunting!

thin wyvern Dec 11, 2017, 9:13 PM

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Maybe this line in perf c0 74 66 83 3d 7e 1a c0 00 00 b9 32 00 00 00 b8

hallow yew Dec 12, 2017, 10:22 AM

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@Horus#8280 yep, found it

empty goblet Dec 14, 2017, 1:58 PM

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1.80.143830 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v01, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

Fixed: The 'Unknown enum value' errors would display incorrectly for the createAgent, createUnit, setVehiclePosition, createVehicle, getUnitTrait script commands
FIxed: crashes related to physx/geometry lod
Added: logging for BE packet issues
Fixed: Enum 'Errors' & Eden Mission attributes
Fixed: Some dynamic simulation presence issues
Removed some obsolete code triggering false AV positives (e.g. from Avast!)
details: https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-180-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3256105

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.80 "performance binary" feedback

1.76.143281 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v07, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

+ Fixed: Particles could di...

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nocturne obsidian Dec 14, 2017, 2:01 PM

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Nice change log for perf builds 😀

whole cloud Dec 14, 2017, 2:02 PM

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BE logging is nice!
Hopefully not so spammy as my TFAR logging so that everyone begs to be able to remove it 😄

empty goblet Dec 14, 2017, 2:10 PM

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it possible i missed some minor fixes/crash fixes but this must suffice

woven loom Dec 14, 2017, 2:24 PM

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BE logging won't run if BE isn't used on the server, i guess?

empty goblet Dec 14, 2017, 3:02 PM

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ye, but this isn't the BE logging we all waiting for ... that will be more likely in next profiling 😉

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aka i will try get that one out before weeekend

woven loom Dec 14, 2017, 3:10 PM

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cool, thanks

nocturne obsidian Dec 14, 2017, 3:34 PM

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Does this fix the stuck in reloading animation bug for post mission launch created AI? The fixes to createUnit suggest maybe but I am not sure if that was the cause or not.

whole cloud Dec 14, 2017, 9:46 PM

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The relevant things are the ones that take up most time.

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And you can guess most of that yourself

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OnMsgCl On Message Client
memAl memory Alloc
nwCli networkClient
netwT networking

whole cloud Dec 15, 2017, 2:48 AM

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Could look it up.. But I'm just on my way to bed

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Just playing with some life idiot in #general_chat_arma

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I'd say multithread P.. something XD

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or mutex

rapid raven Dec 15, 2017, 4:50 AM

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multithread? majority?

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Per?

woven loom Dec 15, 2017, 9:27 AM

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Postmodern jukebox

whole cloud Dec 15, 2017, 5:25 PM

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I know it's one of those things to not care about

empty goblet Dec 15, 2017, 6:20 PM

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sadly no new profiling for the weekend, i'm sorry about that ...

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if anyone gets crashes client or server on the 1.80.143830 binaries, please PM me downloads with rpt,mdmp,bidmp as soon as possible!

trail wind Dec 16, 2017, 8:52 AM

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does the profiling exe has the performance tweaks as the performance exe?

whole cloud Dec 16, 2017, 8:59 AM

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yes.

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performance exe doesn't even have performance tweaks currently I think

woven loom Dec 17, 2017, 11:08 PM

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@empty goblet we had bunch of people crash due to BAD_MODULE_INFO, probably connected to the Supports module used in the mission. At least 2 of us with profiling branch didn't have issues, however. Will try and send you crash dumps if anyone sends them to me

proud scaffold Dec 18, 2017, 3:10 AM

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what dose all this mean

whole cloud Dec 18, 2017, 3:18 AM

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Yes?

empty goblet Dec 18, 2017, 12:27 PM

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so, anyone got any new crashes for me ? (except those who already sent them in)

unique rose Dec 18, 2017, 1:42 PM

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only the ones that are from 2013 tbb related

empty goblet Dec 18, 2017, 3:29 PM

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today highly likely none but next day seems to have higher ratio of success

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btw. if anyone of you sitting at 143830 crashdumps then send them to me asap if you want me try to get them fixed for theoretical hotfix 😉

whole cloud Dec 18, 2017, 4:48 PM

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I'm saldy only sitting on a couple dozen crashes I caused myself :u

empty goblet Dec 18, 2017, 5:16 PM

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ye, those i really do not want to know about 🤣

hallow yew Dec 19, 2017, 2:33 PM

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@empty goblet which is newer for server, perfV1 or hotfix? https://dev.arma3.com/post/spotrep-00078

Arma 3

SPOTREP #00078 | Dev Hub | Arma 3

Hotfix 1.80 (Crash Fixes, 'Unknown Enum Value' Errors)

empty goblet Dec 19, 2017, 2:40 PM

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ofc hotfix

empty goblet Dec 19, 2017, 10:48 PM

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there is new profiling v02 (1.80.143968) with the BattlEye traffic logging , must use -netlog -belog together to generate the BElog! (not recommended on slow machine and HDD drives)
there is no point to use unless you have BE kick/timeout issues etc. and UNLESS the server has >20 fps

woven loom Dec 19, 2017, 11:07 PM

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(is the linux server and -netlog issue fixed?)

empty goblet Dec 19, 2017, 11:17 PM

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not sure what issue with linux, the server crash (i think it was windows) was fixed some time ago

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1.80.143968 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v02, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

sync with everything 1.78.x and 1.80.main hotfix #2
BattlEye traffic logging (not recommended for HDD/slow servers, must use "-netlog -belog" at once to generate BElog)
details : https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-180-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3257534

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.80 "performance binary" feedback

1.76.143281 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v07, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

+ Fixed: Particles could di...

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woven loom Dec 20, 2017, 12:32 AM

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back when 1.78 dropped, linux servers would crash if started with -netlogs

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(see old #server_linux messages)

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we turned it off back then, haven't re-enabled

shell mountain Jan 5, 2018, 2:00 PM

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I still cannot use the headless client and it keeps segfaulting in loop on Linux. Is that still a common problem?

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I just tried also latest perf but no luck : (

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Did I miss something or its a known issue?

woven loom Jan 5, 2018, 2:19 PM

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Don't have that issue on our server so probably not common

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maybe try #headless_client or #server_linux

woven loom Jan 6, 2018, 9:29 PM

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so with profiling branch (perf binary)

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rpt spam

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22:51:53 Class BrokenGlass2 destroyed with lock count 1

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22:51:53 Class Glass_49_hitpoint destroyed with lock count 1 22:51:53 Class DestructionEffects destroyed with lock count 1

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22:51:53 Class Door_1_sound_source destroyed with lock count 14

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etc

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a few thousand lines

whole cloud Jan 6, 2018, 9:45 PM

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constant spam or spam when you alt+F4 ?

woven loom Jan 6, 2018, 9:46 PM

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well given that i haven't pressed alt F4...

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Presumably when these things happen

whole cloud Jan 6, 2018, 9:46 PM

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It already logs tons of that stuff when you exit the game so I'd consider that "normal"

woven loom Jan 6, 2018, 9:46 PM

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when glass is destroyed etc

whole cloud Jan 6, 2018, 9:46 PM

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But it shouldn't mod game spam

woven loom Jan 6, 2018, 9:46 PM

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oh no not upon exit

whole cloud Jan 6, 2018, 9:46 PM

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Yeah that's definetly bug then

woven loom Jan 6, 2018, 9:47 PM

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It could be because of mods though

whole cloud Jan 6, 2018, 9:47 PM

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Mods shouldn't be able to do that

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that is very deep inside the engine

woven loom Jan 6, 2018, 9:47 PM

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I see

whole cloud Jan 6, 2018, 9:47 PM

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Normally engine unloads unused stuff from ram

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That message complains that the stuff that was just unloaded was still being used

woven loom Jan 6, 2018, 9:47 PM

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And i'd assume mods would mark their spam, ideally...

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i see

empty goblet Jan 12, 2018, 3:25 PM

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1.80.144071 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v03, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

Fix for broken turret locality in multiplayer
details : https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-180-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3262183

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.80 "performance binary" feedback

1.76.143281 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v07, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

+ Fixed: Particles could di...

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jade mason Jan 14, 2018, 6:36 PM

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do i need to join servers with performance binaries to see perf improvements?

whole cloud Jan 14, 2018, 6:37 PM

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If you mean if you need the performance binary to have the performance binary then yes.
If you mean if the server also needs to have it then no.
I don't know of any performance improvements that are currently enabled in the performance binaries though

jade mason Jan 14, 2018, 6:38 PM

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i've installed perf binaries

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but i don't feel imrpovements you know

whole cloud Jan 14, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Yes.

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As i said i don't think there are any performance improvements in the performance binaries currently

jade mason Jan 14, 2018, 6:39 PM

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i would only to fix the awful spiking when you zoom with the weapon

whole cloud Jan 14, 2018, 6:39 PM

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Get a faster hard drive or put the game onto a SSD

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That's nothing that the game can just magically fix with some special magic performance binary

jade mason Jan 14, 2018, 6:40 PM

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i wonder why devs doesn't fix that

whole cloud Jan 14, 2018, 6:40 PM

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A game dev can't just fix your slow hard drive

jade mason Jan 14, 2018, 6:41 PM

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but 40 fps with gtx 1080 yes though

whole cloud Jan 14, 2018, 6:41 PM

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Just zoom in to preload that stuff. Then you won't have a spike when you zoom in the next time

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or lower your graphics settings

jade mason Jan 14, 2018, 6:42 PM

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this game always had awful performance since its release date

whole cloud Jan 14, 2018, 6:42 PM

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I just zoom in and look around till the lags stop and everything finished preloading.

jade mason Jan 14, 2018, 6:43 PM

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poor gpu usage, and ridicoulos CPU optimization

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i hope that arma 4 would be better

whole cloud Jan 14, 2018, 6:46 PM

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poor GPU usage? I can push my GTX 1070 to 100% load easily

woven loom Jan 14, 2018, 6:52 PM

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well, mirko's not wrong

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Yes you can push it to 100% but a lot of the time it's much lower

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let's not pretend the game isn't CPU bound

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for example, earlier today i was told On my 1070 coming from 1440p to 4k I only lost 5 frames on average

whole cloud Jan 14, 2018, 6:54 PM

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It definetly is. But it's not like you can "just" fix that

woven loom Jan 14, 2018, 6:55 PM

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frames per second obviously 😄

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yeah, it's not an easy fix

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and definitely not something that will appear in a perf binary one day 😄

whole cloud Jan 14, 2018, 6:55 PM

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People always say Arma is poorly optimized. It's quite well optimized though. The engine is just not multithreaded

woven loom Jan 14, 2018, 6:56 PM

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yeah, i've had it run on an IGP

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and a non-gaming laptop

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it just doesn't scale upwards very well, because CPUs can only get so fast in terms of clock speeds 😄

celest sparrow Jan 14, 2018, 11:34 PM

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not optimized for modern hardware meta

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but yea, thats not changing

random isle Jan 20, 2018, 1:06 AM

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hi @celest sparrow

random isle Jan 31, 2018, 5:14 PM

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devout yacht Jan 31, 2018, 5:34 PM

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What?

random isle Jan 31, 2018, 7:58 PM

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no mo perfs ?

whole cloud Jan 31, 2018, 7:58 PM

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What?

random isle Jan 31, 2018, 7:59 PM

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https://www.tenor.co/vXZb.gif

devout yacht Jan 31, 2018, 8:03 PM

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you aren't making any sense

random isle Jan 31, 2018, 8:12 PM

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🤔

hallow yew Feb 2, 2018, 10:47 AM

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The fps unlocked 64bit perf binaries are in here if anyone wants to test https://feedback.bistudio.com/F79242

random isle Feb 2, 2018, 8:34 PM

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@hallow yew they dont work

whole cloud Feb 2, 2018, 8:37 PM

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Details?

random isle Feb 2, 2018, 8:39 PM

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one sec i might me lying

random isle Feb 2, 2018, 8:59 PM

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nvm it works just takes like 5 more min for it to load up

heady parcel Feb 3, 2018, 4:46 PM

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No load up time issues for me

random isle Feb 4, 2018, 1:00 AM

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how bout super high core usage on emtpy server

whole cloud Feb 4, 2018, 1:21 PM

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That would be kinda logical...

woven loom Feb 4, 2018, 1:48 PM

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haven't usually seen that though

whole cloud Feb 4, 2018, 1:48 PM

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Well your server doesn't usually run at 9000 fps does it?

woven loom Feb 4, 2018, 1:49 PM

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oh noes it's over 9000 😱

nocturne obsidian Feb 7, 2018, 1:05 PM

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@whole cloud 9000 fps??

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@whole cloud is it only for servers?

whole cloud Feb 7, 2018, 1:09 PM

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yes. yes.

nocturne obsidian Feb 7, 2018, 1:11 PM

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How much of a fps boost is provided by the performance builds?

whole cloud Feb 7, 2018, 1:12 PM

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0

empty goblet Feb 7, 2018, 1:51 PM

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actually tiny, because of that recent fix 😉

whole cloud Feb 7, 2018, 1:57 PM

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recent fix?
v2 was sync with 1.80
v3 fixed broken turret locality

empty goblet Feb 7, 2018, 3:41 PM

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v3

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remember it got rid of some errors which were eating some tiny amount of performance 😉

nocturne obsidian Feb 7, 2018, 6:49 PM

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So not worth using it then?

whole cloud Feb 7, 2018, 6:49 PM

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If you could get a magical 10+ fps increase. Don't you think that would be in the release already? ^^

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I won't give you what you want. So no.

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It will fix some bugs though. Enough reason for me to use it

empty goblet Feb 7, 2018, 7:08 PM

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@nocturne obsidian it's worth using because of the fix

hallow yew Feb 8, 2018, 7:38 PM

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V3 is nice and stable, that's reason enough to use it imo

devout yacht Feb 8, 2018, 11:15 PM

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For some reason i always see on youtube "how to get 1000000 fps in arma 3", and just for kicks and giggles i watch it. Ends up being a lifer or exile player using perf binaries.

hallow yew Feb 9, 2018, 5:47 PM

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set game resolution to 284x160

nocturne obsidian Feb 9, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Wont unfortunately fix the issue, but be my guest and try it. The performance problem isn't graphics based for the most part

nocturne obsidian Feb 15, 2018, 4:12 PM

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@whole cloud I just downloaded all of the files from Google drive which it came out to 5 total. How would I go about installing them. The readme was particularly vague.

whole cloud Feb 15, 2018, 4:12 PM

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You take arma3client profiling

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put the .exe into your game dir and rename it so that it replaces the original

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or you just use the steam branch which would do it automatically

nocturne obsidian Feb 15, 2018, 4:18 PM

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Ok I'll roll with the steam branch since its automated kinda dont feel like messing with these

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O cajt send pics. Any chance that you can send me a direct link to it by chance it throws me to a Wikipedia page unless i need to dig through. Sorry im not on top of things got 2 hours of sleep

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Cant*

whole cloud Feb 15, 2018, 5:42 PM

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link?

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You'd need the password for the steam branch

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which is on the bif thread I'm sure

nocturne obsidian Feb 15, 2018, 5:46 PM

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O thats a bummer

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O wait i see through steam is where the beta program can be accessed correct?

whole cloud Feb 15, 2018, 6:42 PM

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yes

nocturne obsidian Feb 15, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Looked all over the place for the beta password and didnt find anything

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https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-180-performance-binary-feedback/

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.80 "performance binary" feedback

NOTE: 1.80. PROF/PERF up! you don't need need new client on PERF/PROF server !

there is branch on steam you may use, but beware that sometimes data on...

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BI really should just remove the password requirement

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@nocturne obsidian im assuming the password is in the description?

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Wait i think i got it

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Yup thank Christ it went through

empty goblet Feb 15, 2018, 10:33 PM

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the password is some relict issue with old branch system , removal breaks the branch

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otherwise we would do it long time ago

nocturne obsidian Feb 15, 2018, 10:35 PM

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If was me i would just break it on a update to arma and be done with it 😛

empty goblet Feb 15, 2018, 10:47 PM

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i will remember that for the EOL patch time

whole cloud Feb 16, 2018, 8:08 PM

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on perf/prof? Not dev?

spiral pond Feb 16, 2018, 8:15 PM

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fixed. ty

lone delta Mar 5, 2018, 9:13 AM

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Just quickly, can the prof branch give me indications on performance between mods?

whole cloud Mar 5, 2018, 9:14 AM

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yes. You can profile what's causing fps drops. So if one mod causes more drops than another. You can see it

lone delta Mar 5, 2018, 9:17 AM

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Awesome. I'm just wanting to compare 2 mods

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How does the performance testing work? Do I need to make a mission?

whole cloud Mar 5, 2018, 9:19 AM

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https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Performance_Profiling
You call https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/diag_captureFrame and it will show you why the last frame took as long as it did.

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I don't think it will help much if you don't actually see FPS drops or the FPS difference

lone delta Mar 5, 2018, 9:21 AM

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What about comparing 1 on 1 vehicles?

whole cloud Mar 5, 2018, 9:22 AM

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Well. Place 1 vehicle and look at FPS counter. Place other vehicle and look at FPS counter.
The one that has lower FPS is worse, performance wise.

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Don't need prof branch for that

lone delta Mar 5, 2018, 9:26 AM

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That is true. Anyway cheers for the info. I know people who say 1 mod is better than the other though that's just based on their FPS counter and was 'tested' in various missions

whole cloud Mar 5, 2018, 9:27 AM

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If you don't have the source files of the mod to look at. Then you can basically only compare the FPS counter.

lone delta Mar 5, 2018, 9:44 AM

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May I ask why do you need the source files?

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What can you tell from the source files FPS test compared to a non source files FPS test

whole cloud Mar 5, 2018, 9:57 AM

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In the source files you can look how detailed the models are

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more detailed == more demanding == lower fps/performance

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You wouldn't do a FPS test if you had the source files

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I think you can also check polycount without having the source files. But you'd have to compare each model.
And if you don't have like.. The same weapon or vehicle in both mods so you can directly compare that's not worth much

lone delta Mar 5, 2018, 10:15 AM

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Yea poly count is understandable. Also guessing LODs play a major part. You could have a high poly object with really good lods compared to a lower poly object with worse lods

chrome wadi Mar 7, 2018, 5:23 AM

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Indeed

nocturne obsidian Mar 8, 2018, 6:20 PM

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I don't under stand arms 3 anymore :(

whole cloud Mar 8, 2018, 6:22 PM

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@nocturne obsidian Please cut the spam/troll now.

untold drum Mar 28, 2018, 5:52 PM

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someone has the code for steam for the branch? It's not in the list of pinned messages

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nvm

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just checked the first page of David's update thread

empty goblet Apr 4, 2018, 12:56 PM

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ok, anyone got some crashes for me from profiling/performance binaries or 1.82.rc ?
just slap me in PM in case i didn't react yet

whole cloud Apr 4, 2018, 12:57 PM

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1.84?

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Next release should be 1.82 😮

empty goblet Apr 4, 2018, 1:09 PM

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i'm living the future obviously wasntme

whole cloud Apr 4, 2018, 1:09 PM

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Maybe you are already counting in the mandatory hotfix release right after release when you notice everything is messed up ^^ Like with the last couple DLC's

empty goblet Apr 4, 2018, 1:10 PM

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i will not comment on that even if it was true 😇

grim wren Apr 11, 2018, 5:12 PM

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wish perf binarys would release with new patch. pretty pleas Dwarden.

whole cloud Apr 11, 2018, 5:17 PM

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It's been out for 5 minutes now 😄

empty goblet Apr 11, 2018, 6:02 PM

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@grim wren it's too late in day for that, tomorrow

unique rose Apr 12, 2018, 2:49 AM

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^^YAY^^

empty goblet Apr 12, 2018, 1:14 PM

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and it should be now on 1.82 sync too

unique rose Apr 12, 2018, 4:10 PM

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any dropbox version?

soft adder Apr 13, 2018, 12:28 AM

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We getting a perf build soon?

woven loom Apr 13, 2018, 7:03 AM

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well assuming there's a need for it

whole cloud Apr 13, 2018, 7:18 AM

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we already got a perf build according to Dwarden

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I guess it's only on steam currently

grim wren Apr 13, 2018, 9:41 AM

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sry I am a bit late to say "thanks Dwarden" for your rapid effords to keep us up to speed.

empty goblet Apr 13, 2018, 3:06 PM

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new profiling published, has one server crash hotfix in it (zeus server related)

empty goblet Apr 13, 2018, 4:24 PM

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1.82.144658 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v00, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

sync with 1.82.main branch for profiling branch / performance binaries
1.82.144667 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v01, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server
hotfix server crash at zeus gamemode
details : https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-182-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3283427

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.82 "performance binary" feedback

I do have file uploaded here: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T128058

 



This is where I reported the error. My latest .rpt file is in the thread.

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done @unique rose

woven loom Apr 13, 2018, 4:27 PM

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hotfix server crash at zeus gamemode - could you give more details about this?

empty goblet Apr 13, 2018, 4:28 PM

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just fix for random crash from official zeus server (it still can crash with other mod, just zeus was the one where it happened)

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there're some other crashes already in analysis / fix queue but this was only one already 'fixed'

woven loom Apr 13, 2018, 4:30 PM

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oh so it shouldn't be a problem if a client enters zeus outside of the game mode?

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i mean like on one our community made missions

empty goblet Apr 13, 2018, 4:31 PM

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it's crash fix so no idea what you mean, test it and see

woven loom Apr 13, 2018, 4:31 PM

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fair enough, thanks

unique rose Apr 13, 2018, 4:35 PM

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@empty goblet thanky thanks

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what is the aim of is it any diffrent from the ones on stable steam branch?

1_82_other_windows_libraries_binaries.7z

empty goblet Apr 13, 2018, 6:05 PM

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just to avoid someone to have obsolete libraries for the client

empty goblet Apr 20, 2018, 9:48 AM

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there is new profiling 1.82.144685 with several crashfixes (terrain loading in editor and some vs missiles)

thin wyvern Apr 20, 2018, 11:17 AM

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@empty goblet Can you add that version on Dropbox?

empty goblet Apr 20, 2018, 11:19 AM

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later, atm. busy

thin wyvern Apr 20, 2018, 11:20 AM

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rgr..thanks 👌

empty goblet Apr 20, 2018, 3:10 PM

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1.82.144685 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v02, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, linux 32-bit server

crashfixes for issues with terrain loading in editor and several related to missiles
details : https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-182-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3285238

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.82 "performance binary" feedback

I do have file uploaded here: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T128058

 



This is where I reported the error. My latest .rpt file is in the thread.

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@thin wyvern done

whole cloud Apr 20, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Is it intended that https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/diag_lightNewLoad and https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/diag_setLightNew are available in profiling build?
Or are they also available in release build?

soft adder Apr 20, 2018, 4:50 PM

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is there going to be a code we can input into steam so we can download perf build that way?

whole cloud Apr 20, 2018, 4:51 PM

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yes

soft adder Apr 20, 2018, 4:51 PM

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im really bad at everything so i have no idea how to set up the build :DD thanks tho ^_^

whole cloud Apr 20, 2018, 4:51 PM

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CautionSpecialProfilingAndTestingBranchArma3 is the steam beta code thing

soft adder Apr 20, 2018, 4:52 PM

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if i use that will i be fine?

whole cloud Apr 20, 2018, 4:53 PM

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define not fine

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You won't get physically hurt no.

thin wyvern Apr 20, 2018, 6:58 PM

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@empty goblet 🍷

fallen gull Apr 20, 2018, 10:08 PM

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linux?

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aha no linux perf.

empty goblet Apr 23, 2018, 1:49 PM

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anyone got crashes 144685 ? if yes, send me the e.g. dropbox download (crash files in 7z) via PM

spice tapir Apr 24, 2018, 5:33 PM

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sent

empty goblet Apr 27, 2018, 11:49 AM

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1.82.144709 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v03, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, included linux 32-bit server

fix for proximity explosions for guided missiles```
details : https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-182-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3286739

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.82 "performance binary" feedback

I do have file uploaded here: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T128058

 



This is where I reported the error. My latest .rpt file is in the thread.

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spice tapir Apr 28, 2018, 5:20 PM

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new crash files sent Dwarden

empty goblet May 4, 2018, 4:47 PM

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note: after weekend, if you get or got any crashes from 144709/144710 pm me those files as usual (not interested in any older build)

empty goblet May 10, 2018, 6:02 PM

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profiling was updated with sync to 1.82.hotfix, only data change as binaries are still same (both main and profiling are equal in that)

empty goblet Jun 1, 2018, 4:15 PM

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new profiling with some fixes and the AI vs fallen tree viewblock as bonus

thin wyvern Jun 1, 2018, 7:53 PM

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@empty goblet Add new PROF/PERF to Dropbox 🤓

empty goblet Jun 2, 2018, 6:24 PM

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1.82.144848 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v04, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, included linux 32-bit server

some crashfixes e.g. while disconnecting
AI no longer see thru fallen trees
details: https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-182-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3294724

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.82 "performance binary" feedback

I do have file uploaded here: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T128058

 



This is where I reported the error. My latest .rpt file is in the thread.

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there you go @thin wyvern

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wanton lynx Jun 2, 2018, 6:59 PM

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Did I just see the v4 binaries get removed in front of my eyes @empty goblet ?

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Nevermind, seems to have been a google drive glitch? Technology is wonderful

thin wyvern Jun 2, 2018, 7:03 PM

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Thanks 🍷 @empty goblet

hallow yew Jun 2, 2018, 7:08 PM

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perfV04 64 bit unlocked server exe up https://feedback.bistudio.com/F79242#100

empty goblet Jun 22, 2018, 3:19 PM

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new profiling rolling slowly in, it shall have attempt on fix for that sound related performance drop e.g. https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/217328-arma-3-low-fps-and-degrade-over-time-because-of-sound-error-found-what-it-cause-ssadv-steps-to-reproduce/

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 low fps and degrade over time because of sound error, found...

https://feedback.bistudio.com/T130564

Already posted on feedback, post on reddit and forum for visibility.



 



I found a way to reproduce this b...

empty goblet Jun 22, 2018, 4:37 PM

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1.82.144872 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v05, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, included linux 32-bit server

attempt to fix sound related performance issue e.g. from ^
details https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-182-performance-binary-feedback/?page=91&tab=comments#comment-3298078

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.82 "performance binary" feedback

I do have file uploaded here: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T128058

 



This is where I reported the error. My latest .rpt file is in the thread.

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woven loom Jun 22, 2018, 4:37 PM

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huzzah!

golden jasper Jun 22, 2018, 4:50 PM

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Thanks Dwarden!

whole cloud Jun 22, 2018, 5:22 PM

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Quick test didn't reproduce the bug. But I need to do a proper test.

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Tried to reproduce in MP with mate. He is on half his original fps and I'm back at 100%

golden jasper Jun 22, 2018, 5:26 PM

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Clarify was your mate using perf exe?

whole cloud Jun 22, 2018, 5:30 PM

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no. He wasn't. I was.

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He got the bug. I didn't

golden jasper Jun 22, 2018, 5:31 PM

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Ok cool 😄

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promising!

boreal wigeon Jun 23, 2018, 7:46 PM

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^Seems to fix it, we had half of our players use the perf build v5, they had no issues. Other half (no perf build) did have FPS issues over time, of course restart fixed it but permanent fix is better :P.

whole cloud Jun 23, 2018, 7:47 PM

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best bugfix this year huehue

boreal wigeon Jun 23, 2018, 7:50 PM

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and only

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😛 /s

empty goblet Jun 24, 2018, 2:28 AM

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now it needs just way more people to use that goodie 😉

empty goblet Jun 24, 2018, 2:45 AM

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posted it on reddit too just for sure https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/8tcafd/performance_build_v05_182144872/

r/arma - Performance Build v05 - 1.82.144872

9 votes and 4 so far on reddit

uncut ore Jun 24, 2018, 9:11 AM

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I could not reproduce the bug either

boreal wigeon Jun 24, 2018, 1:20 PM

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Push it to stable 😉 easiest way for more people.

woven loom Jun 24, 2018, 2:23 PM

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probably wouldn't want to unless they're certain of side effects etc

rocky quest Jun 27, 2018, 2:40 AM

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All praise Dwarden!

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Out of curiosity, is there any more risky tweaks out there that could improve performance at the risk of stability available?

empty goblet Jun 27, 2018, 3:37 AM

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there are several possibilities but i doubt i get them approved but i will at least try

hallow yew Jun 27, 2018, 3:13 PM

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I found that removal of the hard 50fps server limit, arma 3 server starts up/waiting/setting up/playing a lot faster, but it doesn't offer any "in session" benefits

whole cloud Jun 27, 2018, 3:40 PM

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doesn't make sense in my book though

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50 fps limit should only be in the main loop

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which shouldn't influence start up time. The main loop only starts after the game is loaded

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not sure if the main loop also runs in waiting/setting up states

frozen holly Jul 2, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Hi! i tried perf V05 client x64 perf exe. Result: see ground: 60FPS, see horizontal: ~40FPS, see sky: 30FPS. (VD 4000)
original x64 exe: ground: 60, horizontal: 57, sky: 60

empty goblet Jul 2, 2018, 11:33 PM

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that's weird result considering there was no change in rendering

mild pecan Jul 6, 2018, 1:42 PM

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ohahi

frozen holly Jul 7, 2018, 3:36 PM

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i don't think its rendering problem. I got fps issue in online game only.

cunning kite Jul 7, 2018, 8:26 PM

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Local? Or in a server

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I think your fps is related to server fps, so low server fps makes your game run shite too

woven loom Jul 7, 2018, 10:49 PM

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it's not, unless the server FPS is below 20, in which case behaviour can't be guaranteed

frozen holly Jul 8, 2018, 12:06 AM

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my 3 test in max 5 mins intervall. And at same position. i started original exe then perf 5 and again original

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i will test all perf exe

woven loom Jul 8, 2018, 12:09 AM

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which map?

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was this an empty scenario or were there AI/other players?

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were you looking at the same direction when looking horizontally?

frozen holly Jul 8, 2018, 12:48 AM

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dedicated server + CTI mission + altis + ~20-25 player with ais + same direction

woven loom Jul 8, 2018, 9:55 AM

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Which CTI mission?

frozen holly Jul 8, 2018, 12:44 PM

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"BECTI - Zerty/HTom/Yoshi_E 1.3.4.2" - on altis

cunning kite Jul 8, 2018, 9:16 PM

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Its not? Its what always has happened to me

empty goblet Jul 9, 2018, 5:43 AM

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@frozen holly it needs case (mission) where it can be reproduced by others

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also both server/client runs the perf 05 ?

boreal wigeon Jul 9, 2018, 12:05 PM

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@empty goblet Haven't managed to get into the RC yet, but are the FPS fixes from v05 in the RC?

cunning kite Jul 9, 2018, 12:44 PM

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Hey @empty goblet , given you seem to be the guy for all this performance stuff, is there ever going to be something done to let the game utilize more threads? I mean I know how really hard that kind of stuff actually is, and things like headless clients are a thing, but can't that somehow be incorporated into the server code itself?

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(and yes I know there are some options availible for threading, but they don't make too much of a difference when it comes to larger self-hosted missions (whenever hosted on their own pc or on a server)

whole cloud Jul 9, 2018, 12:47 PM

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No.

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That would be major changes and roadmap already says these won't happen anymore

woven loom Jul 9, 2018, 1:35 PM

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Maybe with Arma 4 ™

empty goblet Jul 9, 2018, 2:24 PM

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as dedmen said, no low level changes, unless it's performance gaining fix (like fix for the sound related bug/leak) or easy optimization

whole cloud Jul 9, 2018, 2:46 PM

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I still have a couple of easy performance optimizations up my sleeve 😉 But the end improvement is probably not worth the effort. And we already have simple workarounds for that

frozen holly Jul 9, 2018, 4:57 PM

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@empty goblet i will collect more information and test perf5 on server side too. need some days 😃

empty goblet Jul 12, 2018, 1:05 PM

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in case someone has crashdumps from 1.82 prof/perf v05 please do not forget to share those with us (DM me or via A3FT (just PM me url to ticket))

frozen holly Jul 25, 2018, 4:43 PM

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My bad fps caused by other program. I tested perf 5 client and no more 20fps bug.
Before this exe, i always lost fps after 20mins, but now i can get back 60 sometimes. AVG ~50 after more hours game and 0 crash. Thx, GJ.

empty goblet Jul 25, 2018, 7:45 PM

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what program @frozen holly ?

frozen holly Jul 25, 2018, 7:51 PM

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utorrent 😉 don't know why just need turn off and all ok

woven loom Jul 25, 2018, 8:21 PM

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probably disk i guess

random isle Jul 25, 2018, 11:01 PM

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i see memory leak again

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currently server using 32gb of sys ram

woven loom Jul 26, 2018, 6:53 AM

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Repro steps?

rocky quest Jul 31, 2018, 7:08 PM

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Tom, just for safety reasons; I'd look into qbitorrent.

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Any add-ons, omon?

random isle Jul 31, 2018, 8:54 PM

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ya shit ton of mods i tired to pm dwarden log but shitcord only takes 8mb max

woven loom Jul 31, 2018, 9:00 PM

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@random isle use 7zip or winzip

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to compress the files

random isle Aug 1, 2018, 12:32 AM

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i did

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i guess need to split them up

woven loom Aug 1, 2018, 7:03 AM

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Maybe. For me usually one 42MB dump compresses to about 2MB iirc.

nocturne obsidian Aug 1, 2018, 4:02 PM

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I am trying ascertain what contributes to the following line out of diag_captureFrame output - visUA; 20.88727; 0.21092;"~~ 29.77 ms, 103x151"

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Why is that 21ms on a client machine, what does it measure? What does the 103x151 refer to?

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This is the root of the performance problem on clients in antistasi and I am trying to get an idea of how to fix it.

high wedge Aug 1, 2018, 4:19 PM

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@nocturne obsidian Can you PM me on what you find out as well? We are running the official Antistasi server and today we have set up the perf build to capture some frames when our server performance drops to 2...3 FPS. But now we have to update it to the new arma version, hahaha, so no really slow frames captured yet, only one with 5 FPS but it's not so bad yet.

nocturne obsidian Aug 1, 2018, 4:21 PM

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I shall do my best

fickle geyser Aug 1, 2018, 4:23 PM

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I'm interested too ^^

spiral pond Aug 1, 2018, 4:48 PM

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you guys know this page, right? https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Performance_Profiling

Performance Profiling

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you could ask Dedmen if he can look up the full name for visUA - not sure if its in the code though

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vis = visual

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aka some drawing stuff

whole cloud Aug 1, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Already did. Yes he knows

spiral pond Aug 1, 2018, 4:49 PM

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ok ty

whole cloud Aug 1, 2018, 4:49 PM

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also know what the 103x151 "means" but don't know what that what it means actually means

spiral pond Aug 1, 2018, 4:50 PM

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does the mission do some UI drawing?

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maybe reyhard or Dwarden can get a list of the short names

whole cloud Aug 1, 2018, 4:50 PM

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it's not drawing. It's some visibility check

spiral pond Aug 1, 2018, 4:50 PM

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pretty sure BI has internally some list

whole cloud Aug 1, 2018, 4:51 PM

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That's exactly why BrightCandle asked here 😉

spiral pond Aug 1, 2018, 4:51 PM

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well kill all AI and see if that helps

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or could be some object visibility checks

whole cloud Aug 1, 2018, 4:53 PM

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It is. Checks if objects are visible from origin and not hidden behind particles and other stuff

empty goblet Aug 2, 2018, 11:03 AM

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sync of profiling branch with 1.84 is now available on STEAM

gusty mural Aug 2, 2018, 11:30 AM

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Noice

brittle hamlet Aug 2, 2018, 6:10 PM

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for serrvers too?

empty goblet Aug 2, 2018, 6:42 PM

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ye i just didn't publish it on my dropbox/google drive yet, i will try do it tonight {can't atm}

brittle hamlet Aug 2, 2018, 6:47 PM

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ok

autumn arch Aug 4, 2018, 1:28 PM

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Whatsup folks! How do I sync on Steam? There is a how-to guide available?

woven loom Aug 4, 2018, 1:43 PM

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@autumn arch https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Arma_3_Steam_Branches

autumn arch Aug 4, 2018, 1:48 PM

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Ty!!!

oblique topaz Aug 9, 2018, 6:20 PM

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this profiling branch change the malloc and the exe file ?

whole cloud Aug 9, 2018, 6:22 PM

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no

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Afaik only exe

oblique topaz Aug 9, 2018, 6:27 PM

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how to make the profiling exe start via launcher?

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when i hit 'play' it start the normal arma3 exe

whole cloud Aug 9, 2018, 6:29 PM

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use the steam branch. Or replace your Arma3 exe with the profiling one

oblique topaz Aug 9, 2018, 6:29 PM

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ok

oblique topaz Aug 9, 2018, 8:32 PM

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wich malloc you guys use

whole cloud Aug 9, 2018, 8:42 PM

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default. ~~Still waiting for Dwarden to send me that experimental beta test one 😉~~
Dedmen missunderstood and will compile his own malloc

empty goblet Aug 10, 2018, 3:27 AM

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note: there will be new server profiling branch today with some fixes and quality of life tweaks

patent dome Aug 10, 2018, 11:30 AM

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HYPE Can't wait

oblique topaz Aug 10, 2018, 12:39 PM

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how to know if arma is using large pages ?

whole cloud Aug 10, 2018, 12:41 PM

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I heard "Process Hacker" can tell you

empty goblet Aug 10, 2018, 12:44 PM

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Process Hacker and VMMap

nocturne obsidian Aug 10, 2018, 1:12 PM

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Process Hacker 2 and VMmap don't explicitly tell you the page size, but they do show you the allocated sizes and that invariably contains some 4KB gaps if it is the normal small pages and if you are seeing allocations below 2MB then its not huge pages. That is what I gathered looking at Arma and other programs using these two tools.

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I guess I was expecting it to be an obvious property that was just called out but it didn't seem to be (not that I found anyway).

oblique topaz Aug 10, 2018, 2:20 PM

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thanks

empty goblet Aug 10, 2018, 3:03 PM

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1.84.144930 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v00, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, included linux 32-bit server

sync with 1.84.main branch

1.84.144943 new PROFILING branch with PERFORMANCE binaries, v01, server and client, windows 32/64-bit, included linux 32-bit server

fixed command-line multiplication when using server.cfg setting missionsToServerRestart
some quality of life tweaks

details https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-184-performance-binary-feedback/?do=findComment&comment=3308011

Bohemia Interactive Forums

Arma 3 STABLE server 1.84 "performance binary" feedback

I do have file uploaded here: https://feedback.bistudio.com/T128058

 



This is where I reported the error. My latest .rpt file is in the thread.

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topaz dagger Aug 10, 2018, 3:04 PM

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i miss the 64Bit Linux build 😄

empty goblet Aug 10, 2018, 3:14 PM

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it's lurking in the same pub as A2OA linux server for 1.64 EOL patch, at least that's what i heard 🤣

patent dome Aug 10, 2018, 3:22 PM

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What exactly are the quality of life tweaks? There are no details about it in the thread.

empty goblet Aug 10, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Chef's secret sauce

spiral pond Aug 10, 2018, 4:07 PM

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@empty goblet are these cmds still only in this branch or also in the stable now?
https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/160288-arma-3-stable-server-184-performance-binary-feedback/?page=87&tab=comments#comment-3204941

empty goblet Aug 10, 2018, 4:20 PM

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@spiral pond should work in any branch afaik

spiral pond Aug 10, 2018, 4:31 PM

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ok cool. so could be added to https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/server.cfg, right?

empty goblet Aug 10, 2018, 4:31 PM

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ye i shall do it soon-ish

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it's still considered experimental, hence the bugfix

whole cloud Aug 10, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Can't get huge pages to work. Launching Arma as Admin and I assigned that windows lock pages priviledge to myself.
Neither the BI tbb mallocs nor my self compiled ones ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Reading the TBB source.. hugepages is only allowed on Linux 🤔
And If I add the code manually to enable them on windows according to what Microsoft says.. Arma just crashes
Include the MEM_LARGE_PAGES value when calling the VirtualAlloc function. The size and alignment must be a multiple of the large-page minimum.
It probably crashes because of that second sentence

whole cloud Aug 10, 2018, 5:44 PM

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Ohhh crap it works. 2GB page size 🙈

thin wyvern Aug 11, 2018, 9:49 PM

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Config:
User is admin: yes
tSeLockMemoryPrivilege: ok
Using large pages
Init done

23:44:51: 
Dumping stats (Exit):
    PageFaultCount: 27788006
    PeakWorkingSetSize: 3.674 gb
    WorkingSetSize: 992.973 mb
    QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage: 1.103 mb
    QuotaPagedPoolUsage: 528.336 kb
    QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage: 105.148 kb
    QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage: 74.398 kb
    PagefileUsage: 5.271 gb
    PeakPagefileUsage: 8.421 gb
CmaPerfMappedMemory: 5437194240
CmaPerfCallVirtualAlloc: 114
CmaPerfCallVirtualAllocLP: 459
CmaPerfCallVirtualFree: 220
CmaPerfCallMemTotalComitted: 1859178
CmaPerfCallMemTotalReserved: 0
CmaPerfCallMemFlushCache: 0
CmaPerfCallMemFlushCacheAll: 11
CmaPerfCallMemSize: 7039578714
CmaPerfCallMemSizeA: 102326576
CmaPerfCallMemAlloc: 3396889326
CmaPerfCallMemAllocA: 51163287
CmaPerfCallMemFree: 3396871460
CmaPerfCallMemFreeA: 51163287

Exit```

whole cloud Aug 11, 2018, 9:50 PM

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?

thin wyvern Aug 11, 2018, 9:51 PM

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cma_x64.dll log

whole cloud Aug 11, 2018, 9:52 PM

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And why are you posting that here?

thin wyvern Aug 11, 2018, 9:53 PM

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You ask if A3 use Large pages...from this log game use it.

whole cloud Aug 11, 2018, 9:53 PM

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No.. I didn't ask that

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I know it uses them. That's what I wrote above

thin wyvern Aug 11, 2018, 9:54 PM

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🍹

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You set up manually PF size or leave the system to determine?

whole cloud Aug 11, 2018, 9:58 PM

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In my custom tbb allocator I use MinLargePageSize which windows gives me (2MB) and multiply it by 1024. (Because I made a typo and didn't bother fixing it)
in my other custom allocator today I use MinLargePageSIze directly

thin wyvern Aug 11, 2018, 9:59 PM

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Ok thx

whole cloud Aug 11, 2018, 10:00 PM

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Using 2GB allocations is not that "out of memory" friendly though :D
I only have 16GB ram and it's not enough

thin wyvern Aug 11, 2018, 10:01 PM

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I see that too. I have 16GB too but if I want to use -hugePages command I need 1GB PF minimum or game crash.

woven loom Aug 11, 2018, 10:06 PM

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hey dedmen have you seen all the job listings for enfusion and arma 4 😄

whole cloud Aug 11, 2018, 10:08 PM

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arma 4 no

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the others yes. #offtopic_arma or other channel?

woven loom Aug 11, 2018, 10:09 PM

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off topic yeah

oblique topaz Aug 12, 2018, 1:04 AM

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@whole cloud can you share that malloc you use?

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my 32 bit binary don't are starting as admin , what can it be ?

whole cloud Aug 12, 2018, 1:16 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477541272622727170/477820568540938250/tbbmalloc.dll
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477541272622727170/477835657465692170/rpmalloc.dll

These are both x64 only and require AVX2. They are experimental and not really tested.

oblique topaz Aug 12, 2018, 1:17 AM

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:c my cpu only support AVX

whole cloud Aug 12, 2018, 1:17 AM

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atleast they are compiled with AVX2 instructions enabled. Not sure if the compiler put AVX2 instructions into it.
I expect it did tho.

oblique topaz Aug 12, 2018, 1:22 AM

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confirm this is using AVX2 , don't start here

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@whole cloud there a memory allocator called hoard , you know?

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http://hoard.org/

whole cloud Aug 12, 2018, 1:24 AM

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yep. That's on my todo list

oblique topaz Aug 12, 2018, 1:24 AM

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:B when you compile it , can you share and also compile a version for AVX

whole cloud Aug 12, 2018, 1:24 AM

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will do o7

oblique topaz Aug 12, 2018, 1:25 AM

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cool

empty goblet Aug 12, 2018, 2:03 PM

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@whole cloud he (horus) read your original lament question where you were unsure if the LP works 😉

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anyway now that we know it still does it work it's more about tweaking the stuff we know (i gave you lot of material to think about for rest of summer 🤣 )

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about the AVX2 you always need remember there still are players with CPU who don't have that like all AMD prior Zen and early i7,i5,i3 (ivy bridge, sandy bridge, westerme, nehalem ... aka first 4 generations of iCores)

whole cloud Aug 12, 2018, 2:09 PM

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Yeah. Even I don't. Don't even have BMI instructions on buldozer

empty goblet Aug 12, 2018, 2:09 PM

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so best is to produce specific compiled binaries for those cases (SSE4.x, AVX, AVX2, while AVX-512 is more out of question (only Intel latest CPus)))

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@oblique topaz we covered TBB, Hoard, Lockless, Jemalloc, TCmalloc, rpmalloc, rlyeh and foonathan allocators (i don't think anything else has any relatively active forks or actual development)

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e.g. Hoard is more likely out of question for games (strange performance and memory overhead behaviour)

oblique topaz Aug 12, 2018, 3:06 PM

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@Dwarden#6450 there any malloc with SSE4.x ?

whole cloud Aug 12, 2018, 3:11 PM

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x64
SS2 (I think.. Visual Studio is messing with me..)

📎 rpmalloc.dll

woven loom Aug 12, 2018, 3:27 PM

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so best is to produce specific compiled binaries for those cases
would be nice if we could get some of that stuff 😅

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let the launcher decide which one to run?

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Although i guess third-party launcher devs would cry 😄

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(don't know how much of a difference it would make though)

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(i'm also way out of my depth here, so just take this as "pls gib performance things thnxbi" and carry on 😛 )

oblique topaz Aug 12, 2018, 3:41 PM

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@whole cloud dwarden cited sse4.x ,but in visual studio there only sse and sse2 ,you know how make a version with sse4.x then ?

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Im curious now 👀 🤔

whole cloud Aug 12, 2018, 3:42 PM

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got the same question. I guess GCC can do it

empty goblet Aug 12, 2018, 3:47 PM

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sse2 should be enough , the difference for 4.1 unless specialized ops would be minimal, AVX may yield little better than SSE2 and then AVX2 again similar neglible

rain moth Aug 13, 2018, 11:53 AM

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@whole cloud any quick benchmarks with Large Pages? 🙃

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would be interesting to see

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I guess it might be more a feeling of smoothness though

whole cloud Aug 13, 2018, 11:54 AM

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none. I'm not that good with benchmarking so I gave all the testing to BrightCandle

rain moth Aug 13, 2018, 1:35 PM

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😃

nocturne obsidian Aug 13, 2018, 6:33 PM

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I haven't started yet, been a little busy with our domain updates, but I have those 2 pencilled in for tomorrow and I'll run my hot spots in Altis and Tanoa alongside the infantry showcase and YetAnotherArmaBenchmark on the default and the two provided at the very least and all the while capture some Memory, CPU and GPU utilisation.

oblique topaz Aug 14, 2018, 1:51 AM

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I limited the game to use only 4GB , its seens is using more than i limited

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http://prntscr.com/kiadg0

whole cloud Aug 14, 2018, 5:50 AM

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working set is only 3,44GB tho
Which allocator?
And -maxMem is not a hard limit. It's a soft limit and the game tries it's best to not go over.
I guess going to pagefile might count?

oblique topaz Aug 14, 2018, 6:29 AM

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in the print was using default one

rain moth Aug 16, 2018, 6:36 AM

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@nocturne obsidian any benchmarks to show? 😃

mellow lark Aug 19, 2018, 6:36 PM

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What is the best malloc to use right now ?

whole cloud Aug 19, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Default afaik?

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Would be kinda dumb if BI didn't make the best one the default.. right?

plucky dust Aug 19, 2018, 6:46 PM

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Ehhh, that would be TBB right?

whole cloud Aug 19, 2018, 6:46 PM

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yeah

empty goblet Aug 19, 2018, 7:51 PM

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slaps @whole cloud we both know custom allocator is best ;)

hallow yew Aug 19, 2018, 8:31 PM

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@mellow lark default tbb4

mellow lark Aug 19, 2018, 8:33 PM

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I am using cma_x64 with largepages activated, Apparently it gives 3-5 fps more based on the benchmarks on the forum

whole cloud Aug 19, 2018, 8:34 PM

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how old are these benchmarks?

empty goblet Aug 19, 2018, 8:44 PM

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it's faster by bit, because large pages spare your cpu cache (less bloat with the tables)

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i suspect default TBB4 we use has some crash / leak bugs (at least some unscientific testing shows newest custom built TBB is stabler lmaoroflxdddd )

nocturne obsidian Aug 20, 2018, 8:45 AM

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Default is the fastest in my testing. Still putting together the results but default beat out the new allocators and the others shipped with it, the new TBB with hugepages was similar in performance.

whole cloud Aug 20, 2018, 9:04 AM

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TBB allocator atleast according to changelog didn't have performance improvements. So it should be about on par with the default one.
Though if you use the AVX2 variant it might be faster because the default one only has SSE tops.

empty goblet Aug 20, 2018, 10:51 AM

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like i said, i expect some bugs being fixed compared to the original

whole cloud Aug 22, 2018, 6:52 AM

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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HomJlRkK9-eWRexqcqMMwtUsTjgr9BAq
Here is a link to all my allocators btw. Currently only tbbmalloc completly available in all variants. ~~I'll get a rpmalloc one up too~~ Last rpmalloc was crashy so I'll wait till I can look at it 😄

thin wyvern Aug 22, 2018, 8:08 PM

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Quick test - YAAB v0.99 standard test settings:

      47,5 - CMA_x64
      49,1 - Dedmen_AVX_x64
      49,7 - Dedmen_SSE2_x64```

inland dew Aug 22, 2018, 8:46 PM

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no difference I would say

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as running YAAB with everything already cashed in vRAM, RAM and pagin file after even 10+ runs and with the same allocator - I can get more than 2-3 fps difference

thin wyvern Aug 22, 2018, 9:48 PM

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Every run I start fresh..edit cmd file ( add new malloc ) and then start game.

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I don't use launcher.

empty goblet Aug 22, 2018, 10:21 PM

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also @whole cloud told me the AVX is AVX2 so if you have older i3/i5/i7 you need bug him for AVX1 variant

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 5:55 AM

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I'm not sure if it actually did. I Visual Studio didn't recompile anything when I switched from AVX1 to AVX2. So I just used one as it seemed there was no difference. If it doesn't need to recompile it also doesn't add new instructions.

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Wanted to ask "which dedmen allocator" but I just remembered I still didn't fix rpmalloc 😄

woven loom Aug 23, 2018, 7:39 AM

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If it doesn't need to recompile it also doesn't add new instructions.
might it affect what the user runs, though? like, if the machine sees and AVX2 flag on a non-AVX2 CPU, then it just ignores that stuff?

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 7:41 AM

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There is no AVX2 flag on a binary.
But it crashes as soon as it sees a incompatible instruction. But it doesn't care if a binary contains AVX2 instructions as long as you don't hit it

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 8:07 AM

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So it would be the best to use the sse2 with my i5 3570k ?

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 8:25 AM

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that CPU supports AVX and SSE.
We don't know what's "best" yet.

empty goblet Aug 23, 2018, 8:26 AM

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it's simple nonSSE < SSEn < SSEn+1 < AVXn < AVXn+1

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now VS doesn't have SSE3,4 and several other compiling magic you can do with gcc but oh well

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usually doesn't matte rmuch unless you actually need those extra instructions

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 8:30 AM

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--arch=native FTW.

empty goblet Aug 23, 2018, 8:37 AM

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that does apply just for the hardware you compile at not for 😃

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 8:44 AM

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Why should I care about anyone else if I can get more FPS for myself! 😄

woven loom Aug 23, 2018, 9:00 AM

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The question is, will Arma 4 support SSE4, AVX512 and real time ray tracing for dynamic shadows? 🤣

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 9:00 AM

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Probably not because we still have people playing Arma without even x64 support....

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┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 9:29 AM

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Then dump 32 bit

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:P

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 9:46 AM

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@thin wyvern Isn't it odd that SSE2 is getting better results as AVX ?

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AVX should be faster, and avx2 should definitely be faster

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 9:50 AM

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I'd say 0,6fps is within tolerance 😄

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 9:52 AM

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@whole cloud Any reason why my Arma does not even launch with the AVX malloc ?

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I'm getting illegal instruction error

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 9:53 AM

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Maybe mine is AVX2 then 😄

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 9:54 AM

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Yeah that could very well be since avx2 launched with haswell right ?

thin wyvern Aug 23, 2018, 9:54 AM

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Duno ...I have i5-4690K@4.5

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AVX2 is supported on this CPU 😉

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 9:55 AM

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I cannot launch with either avx or sse2

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weird

thin wyvern Aug 23, 2018, 9:56 AM

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BE enabled?

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 9:56 AM

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Negative

thin wyvern Aug 23, 2018, 9:56 AM

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hmmm

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You start game with admin account?

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 9:57 AM

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yes

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 9:57 AM

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Can you PM me the .mdmp file from the crash? Should be in your RPT folder.
You might want to put it in a zip archive, will get the size down alot

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 9:59 AM

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rpt folder ?

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:00 AM

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WIN+R -> %localappdata%\Arma 3 -> Enter

empty goblet Aug 23, 2018, 10:01 AM

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@woven loom @whole cloud AVX512 is mess so unless it's adopted by majority and uniform it's meh

thin wyvern Aug 23, 2018, 10:01 AM

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See if you enable lock pages for that account https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/database-engine/configure-windows/enable-the-lock-pages-in-memory-option-windows?view=sql-server-2017

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:02 AM

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My allocators don't crash when locked pages isn't enabled. They show a warning

empty goblet Aug 23, 2018, 10:02 AM

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SSE4.x is supported by all modern CPU so that's yes

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 10:02 AM

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There is no .rpt files from today nor am I seeing any .mdmp files

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:03 AM

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SSE4.x is supported by all modern CPU so that's yes I tried temporarly enabling SSE2 support in TFAR. Just took a week till I got reports of a CPU not supporting it

empty goblet Aug 23, 2018, 10:03 AM

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ray tracing is more of question of performance, you can do DX12 ray tracing on any SM6 hardware already

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:03 AM

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How do you see that Arma is crashing? Message box or windows "stopped working" thingy?

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 10:03 AM

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Message box from the Arma troubleshoot thingy

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:04 AM

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what does it say about the crash?

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 10:04 AM

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Status illegal instruction

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:04 AM

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^ Ah!

thin wyvern Aug 23, 2018, 10:04 AM

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I'm getting illegal instruction error

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:04 AM

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But why 🤔

empty goblet Aug 23, 2018, 10:04 AM

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@whole cloud that's weird cause i can only imagine someone with Athlon XP or Via C3 to report that

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:05 AM

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I think it was even Athlon XP

empty goblet Aug 23, 2018, 10:05 AM

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so Barton and Mobile Athlon XP users come to mind but that running Arma 3 ? maybe for editor but gaming must be ultra low res low quality slideshow

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everything else has SSE2

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 10:06 AM

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I am on 3rd gen 😛

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:06 AM

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@mellow lark exact same error with the SSE2 allocator?

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 10:06 AM

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Yes

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It's not a problem that I am using the perf binaries right ?

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:07 AM

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doesn't matter yeah

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Did you delete the AVX allocator? maybe Arma is still trying to use that for some reason

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 10:08 AM

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ill try

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Do I need to disable hugepages ?

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:10 AM

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no

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My allocators show you a message box when they try to do anything with hugePages

thin wyvern Aug 23, 2018, 10:11 AM

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2097152 😃

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 10:11 AM

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yas

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still the same after deleting the avx one

thin wyvern Aug 23, 2018, 10:14 AM

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Start game without launcher..with cmd file ```@ECHO OFF

START "ArmA3" /D "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Arma 3" "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Arma 3\arma3_x64.exe" -malloc=tbbmalloc_SSE2_x64 -hugePages
@exit```

woven loom Aug 23, 2018, 10:17 AM

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@empty goblet okay but maybe AVX2 then :p

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 10:17 AM

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@thin wyvern That just started the launcher after a while

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:18 AM

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I think there is a -noLauncher argument (not documented on biki :U)

thin wyvern Aug 23, 2018, 10:20 AM

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Add cmd file in A3 root folder, start steam and run game with cmd.

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 10:22 AM

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Still nothing

whole cloud Aug 23, 2018, 10:23 AM

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Wouldn't make a difference anyway.

mellow lark Aug 23, 2018, 10:24 AM

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Why is this happening aaargh

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Any1 else have a 3rd gen CPU that they can test it on ?